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Shoigu: Russia will deliver the C-300 air defense system to Kazakhstan

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Shoigu: Russia will deliver the C-300 air defense system to Kazakhstan



This year, Russia will begin supplying C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Kazakhstan, Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu said at the conclusion of negotiations with his Kazakh counterpart Adilbek Dzhaksybekov.

“This year we will supply the C-300 complexes to the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan in sufficient volumes to ensure the protection of the airspace,” said Shoigu, without specifying how many complexes and under what conditions Russia will supply Kazakhstan, RIA reports.News».

At present, a small number of C-300 systems are in service with the air defense forces of Kazakhstan, which are mainly used to cover the airspace of the capital. In addition, in the arsenal of the Kazakh army there are older complexes that are inferior to C-300 in combat capabilities.

As Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov specified, Russia will supply five divisions of the C-300PS anti-aircraft missile system to Kazakhstan at no cost to Kazakhstan.

Shoigu also said that the ministries of defense of Russia and Kazakhstan are actively working to develop military and military-technical cooperation.

“Over the past two months, this is our third meeting. Each of them is important: we discuss the pressing problems of our armed forces and, most importantly, the issues of our military and military-technical cooperation, the organization of a unified cooperation system, the organization of a joint anti-missile defense system and air defense, cooperation in the operation of those facilities that provide the security of both Russia and Kazakhstan, ”said the Russian minister.

“We need to continue moving forward in re-equipment, reconstruction of some facilities, further movement in the joint operation of complex engineering units and facilities,” said Shoigu, ITAR-TASS news agency reported.

“Unfortunately, not everything can be talked about openly,” he complained. “But it is nice to know that we and our subordinates understand the importance and seriousness of the tasks set for us by the states.” We are going step by step towards solving these problems. ” At the same time, the minister expressed the hope that the parties would take "decisions on the issues discussed in December." “An important issue is the timing and dates of deliveries of new systems. We will make plans for the near future both on landfills and stations, ”said Shoigu.

At the same time, the minister said that the military departments of Russia and Kazakhstan had resolved all the issues regarding the development of the Balkhash complex. “We have agreed to start its joint operation and operation. To do this, this year it will be necessary to start training specialists, ensure admission and, most importantly, provide installation and supply of additional equipment, ”said Shoigu.

In turn, the Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan noted that "our meetings are a good tradition." “Such a positive dynamics in the development of Kazakhstan-Russian relations in the field of defense underlines your active position on this issue, the position of the Russian Ministry of Defense,” said Dzhaksybekov.

“We, for our part, are committed to collective work. If we talk about our affairs, then almost a year ago we signed the Agreement on the Unified Air Defense System, ”he recalled.

Currently, Kazakhstan is undergoing internal procedures for the entry into force of the Agreement, they are in the final stages. “Upon its entry into force, we consider it necessary to determine the list of command posts, formations and units allocated to the system, as well as the candidacy of the commander of a single air defense system for submission for approval by the presidents of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation,” said Jaksybekov.
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  1. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 09: 16
    +34
    Hold Kazakhstan ..first tier ..! I heard this news yesterday. We cover the dome slowly ..!
    1. Civil
      Civil 1 February 2014 09: 48
      -26%
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Hold Kazakhstan ..first tier ..! I heard this news yesterday. We cover the dome slowly ..!


      There, it seems, there are no air fleets in Asia requiring such air defense systems, the Taliban hordes should probably be restrained by other means ...
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 1 February 2014 09: 57
        +2
        So the Taliban on hang gliders will fly and airships. laughing
        1. Canep
          Canep 1 February 2014 10: 51
          +47
          And the "small" and "weakly armed" PLA no longer needs to be taken into account. When I served in Sary-Ozek, on the other side of the Dzungar gate, opposite our 68th mechanized infantry division, there were 6 "peaceful" Chinese divisions of the wartime state, and 9 more agricultural divisions. Extra air defense system will not hurt. Russia is transferring 5 S-300 battalions.
          1. AVV
            AVV 2 February 2014 10: 35
            +2
            The sky is on the castle and rightly so !!!
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 09: 58
        +12
        Quote: Civil
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Hold Kazakhstan ..first tier ..! I heard this news yesterday. We cover the dome slowly ..!


        There, it seems, there are no air fleets in Asia requiring such air defense systems, the Taliban hordes should probably be restrained by other means ...

        With the existing world tension and provocations, the racquets can fly in from any direction .. The Asian region is restless .. it’s still early to open the red chiri and it needs to be prepared when it explodes .. (and also at our border with Kazakhstan, silo-based ICBMs are on duty. . So everything is logical
        1. faser
          faser 1 February 2014 16: 14
          +7
          Suddenly, friends from NATO will have to fight back, they still have a base in Agan
      3. major071
        major071 1 February 2014 10: 20
        +31
        Civil
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Hold Kazakhstan ..first tier ..! I heard this news yesterday. We cover the dome slowly ..!
        There, it seems, there are no air fleets in Asia requiring such air defense systems, the Taliban hordes should probably be restrained by other means ...

        Following your logic, do you need to cancel the construction of new radars near the border of Kazakhstan? Even during the USSR, this direction was considered one of the most dangerous.
        And I welcome the supply of C-300 to the Kazakhs!
        Сәлем, інілер! Өмірдің ұзақ жастарының сізге! Men oylaymyn, not aspan bass bіzdің bіr zhne олorғaol қ will bir! drinks
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 1 February 2014 11: 22
          +11
          Quote: major071
          Сәлем, інілер!

          Why Iniler? (That is, younger brothers), and not say bauyrlar (just brothers), the "big brother" complex?
          1. major071
            major071 1 February 2014 11: 43
            +26
            Clegg
            Quote: major071
            Сәлем, інілер!
            Why Iniler? (That is, younger brothers), and not say bauyrlar (just brothers), the "big brother" complex?

            Actually, I just wanted to write "brothers", but apparently they gave me the wrong advice. negative And as a dog, I understand, but I don’t speak. laughing
            1. major071
              major071 1 February 2014 12: 24
              +35
              What's wrong with the word "little brother"?
              It’s better to be a brother, not an enemy.
              I am glad to accept Kazakhs with Ukrainians in my family
              When "friends" are clattering their teeth.
              Create a fist that does not open
              Of all who remember our power
              And those who wanted to trample our land
              I'm ready to "roll it into the asphalt" with you.
              1. Thirsty for wind
                Thirsty for wind 1 February 2014 23: 37
                +1
                This is such a debate between the twin brothers about who was born first for two minutes, This is so kapets how important.
          2. vostok1982
            vostok1982 1 February 2014 12: 08
            +31
            And what's wrong with having an older brother? Do you have a complex about this? I would really like to see Russia as the elder brother of Ukraine. Well, I just want to be terribly.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 1 February 2014 12: 15
              -21%
              Quote: vostok1982
              I would really like to see Russia as the elder brother of Ukraine

              And I do not want to see Russia as an older brother
              1. commbatant
                commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 17
                +7
                who will ask you if the threat to his older brother comes from, for example, the PLA of China
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 1 February 2014 12: 26
                  -44%
                  Quote: commbatant
                  if the threat to the older brother will come, for example, from the PLA of China
                  1. commbatant
                    commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 33
                    +1
                    need will force us to make autonomy from any country, not a single state will blather, especially if Russia says that we are more Asians and Western values ​​to us on the drum ....
                    1. alone
                      alone 1 February 2014 13: 15
                      -6
                      Quote: commbatant
                      need will force us to make autonomy from any country, not a single state will blather, especially if Russia says that we are more Asians and Western values ​​to us on the drum ....


                      Look, just do not overdo it too)))
                      1. commbatant
                        commbatant 1 February 2014 13: 37
                        +7
                        after South Ossetia, many countries began to offer their territory under our bases, however, no one asked for them, here in the north of Iran your cuts will begin and you will ask ...
                      2. alone
                        alone 1 February 2014 17: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: commbatant
                        after South Ossetia, many countries began to offer their territory under our bases, however, no one asked for them, here in the north of Iran your cuts will begin and you will ask ...


                        Do not worry, even if you have to contact someone, we won’t bother. We’ll figure it out. And do you think it’s easy for Iran to take and start directly cutting 25-30 million people? Half of the Iranian army are Azerbaijanis living in Iran.

                        By the way, sometimes it’s useful to have a snack, it helps, from delirium)))
                      3. commbatant
                        commbatant 1 February 2014 17: 31
                        +4
                        Quote: lonely
                        By the way, sometimes it’s useful to have a snack, it helps, from delirium)))


                        it will be when Aliyev provides his airdromes for the empiricist planes that will bomb Iran from your territory
                      4. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 1 February 2014 17: 40
                        +4
                        Quote: commbatant
                        it will be when Aliyev provides his airdromes for the empiricist planes that will bomb Iran from your territory

                        Aliyev is not so stupid as to do it, and even if he doesn’t try, no one in Azerbaijan will allow him to bomb his fellow countrymen on the other side of the border. And this is one of these red lines.
                      5. alone
                        alone 1 February 2014 19: 46
                        +7
                        Quote: commbatant
                        it will be when Aliyev provides his airdromes for the empiricist planes that will bomb Iran from your territory


                        I think even a snack will not help you. Aliyev will provide anti-Iranian forces with airplanes that will bomb Azerbaijanis in Iran))) You are aware of the fact that an agreement was signed between Iran and Azerbaijan about the territory 4-5 years ago cannot these countries be used by third countries for military purposes against Iran and Azerbaijan?
                        You write frank nonsense. And the most amazing thing is that you believe in this nonsense and try to convey it as a fact.
                    2. dr.star75
                      dr.star75 1 February 2014 17: 39
                      +7
                      I agree about eating! But globally: there are 2 countries in the world: Russia (geographically larger than in the present time) and England (with its colonies), all other countries are a battlefield, control over which periodically changes (the so-called "independent " country)
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 1 February 2014 20: 42
                    0
                    Quote: commbatant
                    no one asked them, here in the north of Iran your cuts will begin and you will ask ...
                    we do not meddle in other matters and do not adopt resolutions on the accession of which part of another state and do not shout about the right of nations to self-determination smile
              2. Veteran Vlad.
                Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 13: 48
                +10
                Quote: commbatant
                need will force us to make autonomy from any country, not a single state will blather, especially if Russia says that we are more Asians and Western values ​​to us on the drum ....

                Easy, don’t say that. You just have to give something for free, make concessions and buy their friendship
                And treat them just like they treat us
                THAT'S ALL
                1. commbatant
                  commbatant 1 February 2014 14: 36
                  -2
                  Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                  Quote: commbatant
                  need will force us to make autonomy from any country, not a single state will blather, especially if Russia says that we are more Asians and Western values ​​to us on the drum ....

                  Easy, don’t say that. You just have to give something for free, make concessions and buy their friendship
                  And treat them just like they treat us
                  THAT'S ALL


                  HOW DO YOU NOT GIVE THEM FOR FREE IF THEY DO NOT MAKE ANYTHING BY YOURSELF, AND THERE IS NO MONEY FOR PURCHASE OF THE SAM? Wait until China occupies Kazakhstan? HERE WITH HIM WITH KAZAKHSTAN, THE CHINESE THEN WILL GO TO THE RUSSIAN BORDER, THEREFORE AND GIVE IT FOR THE GIFT
                2. Andrey KZ
                  Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 15: 30
                  +10
                  Quote: commbatant
                  IF THEY DO NOT PRODUCE ANYTHING, AND THERE IS NO MONEY FOR PURCHASE OF THE SAM

                  C-300 were ready to BUY back in the 2000 year.
                3. faser
                  faser 1 February 2014 16: 19
                  +9
                  Who says we don’t have money? We are not Ukraine; we do not need loans.
                4. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 1 February 2014 17: 12
                  +3
                  Quote: commbatant
                  THEREFORE AND GIVING FOR A GIFT
                  You, in Russian, would learn to write correctly negativeotherwise it’s the same ..
                  For free, the RK does not receive anything from the Russian Federation.
                  There is a policy of mutual concessions. As an example, the Republic of Kazakhstan at one time, at a loss, concluded a contract for the supply of uranium of the Russian Federation, at low prices. Russia under Chernomyrdin, the United States sold its stocks for nothing. When an acute question arose, the Scattered on this question went to bow to K-n. And, Ak Horde went to a meeting. By the way, Yapi gave a higher price than the Russian Federation. But, Mr. went to this, because he understood that the Russian Federation would go to a meeting on other issues. If, somewhere wrong, correct hi
                  So, in general, we can characterize the Kazakh-Russian relations. To someone and RK, handouts from someone are not needed.
                  And the delivery of the S-300 is just a "goodwill gesture" on the part of the Kremlin.
                  Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                  This opinion was expressed by President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev at the Kazakh-Turkish business forum held in Istanbul
                  Wow what hysteria .. good
                  NAS said everything correctly ..
                  What was, it was ..
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Agreements on C-300 were reached in the 2010 year
                  There is a version that the agreement was connected with the refusal of Moscow to supply C-300 to Iran.
                5. Veteran Vlad.
                  Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 18: 07
                  +5
                  Quote: Alibekulu
                  Wow, what a hysteria.

                  no, just NARZAYU tells them how bad we are there, Here we are - how good we are fellow
                  Let him somehow decide, otherwise he’s saying something behind his back, and he’s humming another to us - NOT GOOD NOT GOOD
                  Let this, what Turkey said, will tell us at the CSTO summit, or the CU or the CIS
                6. Kasym
                  Kasym 1 February 2014 18: 11
                  +10
                  Alibek, Salem! Russia is launching 2 more factories for the production of air defense missiles. So the surplus from the old ones is better for the allies than to store them. It is also beneficial for Russia - the creation of a unified air defense system. And one moment . I raised the S-300 NAS at almost every meeting. Even with Yeltsin. So the Russian Federation decided that it was time to "satisfy the insistent requests of the ally." The ascetic writes that VVP gave the go-ahead for Baikonur "even if to the detriment of itself." In general, I see the beginning of some meaningful action along the line of defense (the creation of a unified air defense).
                  But in Iran, I think the situation is different - the S-300 is actually a dual-use system. The second is an operational tactical missile for 150 km. She can even sink ships. The site already had an interesting article. How a Georgian boat was flooded with a missile from an OCA air defense system, and the United States demolished the same ship to the Turks.
                  And the S-300 was asked even in exchange for poison. weapons and air carriers. The story is so old that it began to grow with moss. hi
                7. sergey72
                  sergey72 1 February 2014 18: 32
                  +1
                  Hello Dauren! hi Am I watching your peacekeeping mission fail again? crying Do not be discouraged, the time of the debaters will judge ... I here listened to some comrades, such as Clegg and O. - I found it funny .... Well, okay:
                  Quote: Kasym
                  The second is an operational tactical missile for 150 km

                  I don't know if there is such a function on the land-based S-300, but on the naval version "Fort" there is ...
                8. Kasym
                  Kasym 1 February 2014 22: 55
                  +5
                  Greetings . No, Sergei, everything is fine. Earlier there were much more "heated disputes". And now, like the younger - the elder is just seeds.
                  There are also comrades-disputants on the Russian side (let's call them that), provoking to .... But it normal . It would not be normal if there were no disputes. It is futile and harmful to simply stoop to nationalities, who built something for whom or territorial disputes. "There is nothing further than YESTERDAY and there is nothing closer than TOMORROW." So why stir up? It is necessary to think about children and the future.
                  They argue for free - not free. What is the point ? Friends, ammunition (rockets) will still have to be purchased. Calculations need to be trained in shooting, albeit for training purposes. The life of missiles will begin to expire. Etc .. It will probably be necessary to upgrade. Calculations to train. So leave these disputes. And these complexes will last another 30 years. We still have ancient S-75s.
                  And these "old men" (as some think) will give odds to the last PETRIOTS. Soviet (Russian) air defense weapons are second to none in the world. Since the doctrine of the USSR was DEFENSIVE. And this area (air defense and missiles) was given priority even to the detriment of armored vehicles and aviation (remember the times of Khrushchev).
                  My knowledgeable bully a source with the rank of colonel said that this was the root cause of the severance of the contract with Iran. And there are restrictions on the sales of this complex. The Russian Federation did not give them to us and Belarusians from a good life. There were just a few of them. That's all . But Yeltsin almost completely took over everything. I barely managed to defend the entire technological chain.
                  By the way, the Union will allow to restore some production and technological chains. And go out with more value-added products to the world. markets. For example, the nuclear industry. The Russian-US predatory contract for the supply of enriched weapons-grade uranium is completed. Another 5-7 years and the market for these products will begin to grow. This is the future.
                  I also understand Kazakh. TS critics - rising prices do not please anyone. NAS promises to raise salaries by 2% within 30 years. We'll see . But without the Union, Kazakhstan is practically impossible to develop. Our products (not raw materials) are not expected anywhere - but there is a guaranteed market here. And this is a chance to develop production and industry. Sooner or later, all the republics of the USSR will understand this. If everything is done without major failures, then we can get a Union much larger than the USSR in territory. Here is a splinter to the West. wassat
                  And all these illusions of equal cooperation with the West will lead only to the Maidan. I am not against cooperation (give them raw materials, open the market, there are no more offers), but against any Union with the West. According to NAS, they don’t give us advanced technologies, even with the purchase of significant stakes in app. companies. hi
              3. Veteran Vlad.
                Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 18: 50
                0
                Quote: Kasym
                The site already had an interesting article. How a Georgian boat was flooded with a missile from an OSA air defense system, as the United States demolished a ship of the same type to Turks

                Naval air defense systems were originally created for dual-use
            2. Prapor-527
              Prapor-527 1 February 2014 18: 26
              +2
              And the delivery of the S-300 is just a "goodwill gesture" on the part of the Kremlin. Not. So we protect the skies of Russia at far borders ...
            3. Onyx
              Onyx 1 February 2014 19: 19
              +5
              Quote: Alibekulu
              You, in Russian, would learn to write correctly, negative, otherwise it’s the same there ... on this issue the scattered people went to bow to K-well.

              And you would respect the Russians and write our name correctly, before reproaching someone for not knowing the rules of the Russian language
            4. Andrey KZ
              Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 19: 44
              +2
              Quote: Onyx
              And you would respect the Russians and write our name correctly,

              There is a song from the group "LYUBE" - Russ, you are mine, Russ. From the Volga to the Yenisei. Quite such a patriotic song, Alibek is also listening to "LYUBE".
            5. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 1 February 2014 22: 26
              +7
              Quote: Kasym
              Alibek, salem!
              Hello agai hi
              Quote: Onyx
              before reproaching someone for not knowing the rules of the Russian language
              Ignorance is different .. I myself am not very strong in spelling, but commbatant makes mistakes at the level of a primary school student, while daringly daring to dare to present something to the Kazakhs ?! request
              Quote: Onyx
              And you would respect the Russians and write our name correctly
              Russian is a rich, juicy, powerful and meaningful language. And the definition of "scattered" has firmly entered the lexicon of the Russian language. Say thanks to Boris N. Yeltsin.
              As for respect, that is, the Russians / Russians whom I respect and who deserve it. But I don’t intend to respect the Nurses, who do not know how to compose a simple sentence and competently make a simple sentence and who sink to offensive statements in the direction of the Republic of Kazakhstan ..
            6. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2014 09: 44
              +4
              Quote: Alibekulu
              But I don’t intend to respect the Nurses, who do not know how to compose a simple sentence and competently make a simple sentence and who sink to offensive statements in the direction of the Republic of Kazakhstan ..

              and you are also irreconcilable to Kazakhs insulting Russians and Russia ?!
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      5. smersh70
        smersh70 1 February 2014 20: 44
        +2
        Quote: commbatant
        HOW DO YOU NOT GIVE THEM FOR FREE IF THEY DO NOT MAKE ANYTHING BY YOURSELF, AND THERE IS NO MONEY FOR PURCHASE OF THE SAM?

        Dear, you confused Kazakhstan with one of the CSTO members wassat
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      7. alone
        alone 1 February 2014 22: 18
        +1
        Thankful you person however.
  2. alone
    alone 1 February 2014 22: 17
    +4
    Quote: commbatant
    HOW DO YOU NOT GIVE THEM FOR FREE IF THEY DO NOT MAKE ANYTHING BY YOURSELF, AND THERE IS NO MONEY FOR PURCHASE OF THE SAM?


    You write comments for the sake of writing them. You do not rely on facts or reality. Kazakhstan is one of several CIS countries that can provide itself with everything necessary. Kazakhstan has over 100 billion dollars in foreign currency reserves. How can such a stock be collected without producing anything?
  • Alexander D.
    Alexander D. 1 February 2014 21: 19
    0
    Napoleon, and in how many battles participated, do you already know how to conquer other countries ?!
  • Arberes
    Arberes 1 February 2014 12: 52
    +7
    "MY FACIAL EXPRESSION" Looks like you are under the influence of a powerful psychotropic substance?
  • S-200
    S-200 1 February 2014 19: 06
    0
    NO of course, but ...
    Inner Kazakhstan - quite! wink
  • galser
    galser 1 February 2014 22: 06
    +5
    Clegg all dream of becoming 51 state)))
  • vostok1982
    vostok1982 1 February 2014 12: 18
    +22
    That is, do you seriously believe that Kazakhstan is Russia's equal on the geopolitical map of the world?
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 1 February 2014 12: 27
      -9
      Quote: vostok1982
      That is, do you seriously believe that Kazakhstan is Russia's equal on the geopolitical map of the world?

      no, but that does not mean that we should be the younger brothers of the Russians, we should be on our own.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 1 February 2014 12: 56
        +14
        Quote: Clegg
        we must be on our own.

        God help and ... and "the PLA locomotive to meet"
      2. vostok1982
        vostok1982 1 February 2014 13: 13
        +13
        Then you probably need to Bandera forums. There you will find support and understanding.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 1 February 2014 13: 24
          -12%
          Quote: vostok1982
          Then you probably need to Bandera forums.

          victim of Kisilev propaganda
          1. dmitrich
            dmitrich 1 February 2014 14: 24
            +9
            and who is Kisilev?
          2. TiGRoO
            TiGRoO 1 February 2014 16: 34
            +11
            I live in Russia and for the first time I found out who Kiselev was after the comments of Westerners from Ukraine, do you really think that Russians only watch Kiselev and that’s all?
          3. Clegg
            Clegg 2 February 2014 10: 07
            -6
            Quote: TiGRoO
            Do you really think that the Russians are watching only Kiselyov and that’s all?

            Judging by the comments about Maidan, yes.
          4. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2014 11: 13
            +3
            Quote: Clegg
            Judging by the comments about Maidan, yes.

            but the fact that they communicate with Ukrainians do not allow thoughts? !!!
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    2. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 1 February 2014 13: 35
      +8
      Quote: vostok1982
      Then you probably need to Bandera forums. There you will find support and understanding.

      Think what you write, for this you can get in the face. angry
      About the PLA locomotive is an objective reality, and this problem is common for us.
      I don’t understand the problem of being a "little" brother. My parents have three sons, of whom I am the youngest and the oldest, the difference is 11 years. I have no "little brother" complex. Yes, in my youth there was some semblance of family "bullying", but when you are under forty all this remains in the past. Therefore, I draw a conclusion about your immaturity and unwillingness to admit obvious things. There is nothing wrong with "older" and "younger" brothers, but this is an obvious reality.
      1. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 13: 43
        +2
        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        what is the problem of being a "little" brother.

        We don’t need those who are neither younger nor older, and we don’t need friends
      2. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 1 February 2014 18: 31
        +3
        We don’t need those who are neither younger nor older, and we don’t need friends Take your toys and don’t pee in my pot ... crying
      3. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: Prapor-527
        and don’t pee in my pot.

        That's it
      4. PPL
        PPL 1 February 2014 19: 24
        +11
        legg Today, 12:27 ↑
        ... this does not mean that we should be the younger brothers of the Russians, we should be on our own.

        Prapor-527 ... Take your toys and don’t pee in my pot ... crying

        Remember the toast from "Prisoner of the Caucasus"?
        "... and then one small, but very proud bird said:
        - Personally, I will fly directly to the Sun!
        And she began to rise more and more and more, but very soon she burned her wings and fell to the very bottom of the deepest gorge!
        So let’s drink for each of us, no matter how high he rises, to ever come off the collective!" drinks
  • dmitrich
    dmitrich 1 February 2014 14: 23
    +1
    flag in your hands.
  • atalef
    atalef 1 February 2014 17: 46
    +5
    Quote: Clegg
    no, but that does not mean that we should be the younger brothers of the Russians, we should be on our own.

    It’s impossible - not by themselves. nor equal - only a younger brother.
    Maybe that's why they run?
  • Suhov
    Suhov 1 February 2014 17: 42
    +11
    Quote: Clegg
    And I do not want to see Russia as an older brother


    You don’t want to see Russia as an older brother!
    Themselves on the older brother - well, do not pull!
    Cousins?
    But there is no such thing in international relations!
    One thing remains:
    Russia and Kazakhstan are equal partners!

    And here it is again, this:
    But!
    Equality is not only about “income” equality.
    Equality implies equality in "spending"!

    Pay for received material assets, wassat
    and then in fact you will become equal!
    wassat

    In the meantime .... hi
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 1 February 2014 18: 15
    +5
    And I do not want to see Russia as an older brother And you have the complex, dear. hi
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  • S-200
    S-200 1 February 2014 19: 04
    +3
    Quote: Clegg
    And I do not want to see Russia as an older brother

    do you want to be an orphan?
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 1 February 2014 19: 16
      +6
      Quote: S-200
      And I do not want to see Russia as an older brother

      Quote: S-200
      do you want to be an orphan

      Alexander! These people are tense because we consider them younger brothers .... and then they forget that they themselves are divided into older and younger zhuzes, where is the logic? belay
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 12: 15
    +1
    Quote: major071
    Civil
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Hold Kazakhstan ..first tier ..! I heard this news yesterday. We cover the dome slowly ..!
    There, it seems, there are no air fleets in Asia requiring such air defense systems, the Taliban hordes should probably be restrained by other means ...

    Following your logic, do you need to cancel the construction of new radars near the border of Kazakhstan? Even during the USSR, this direction was considered one of the most dangerous.
    And I welcome the supply of C-300 to the Kazakhs!
    Сәлем, інілер! Өмірдің ұзақ жастарының сізге! Men oylaymyn, not aspan bass bіzdің bіr zhne олorғaol қ will bir! drinks

    They are building a radar station in Orsk .. That would have restored a military airfield .. (I remember earlier attack aircraft constantly patrolled over the mines "
    1. major071
      major071 1 February 2014 12: 28
      +9
      Meehan! hi We had long-range aircraft on board the Sokol, which after 1993 were transferred to Engels, and the airfield itself was abandoned. We also had a radar station, which was also lost. Now they began to restore. good
      1. commbatant
        commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 38
        -1
        a lot of text comrade
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 1 February 2014 11: 01
    0
    And the border with China ????
  • commbatant
    commbatant 1 February 2014 11: 52
    +5
    a massive air strike through the Ural industrial region through Kazakhstan is forcing the Russian Federation to strengthen the air defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan (even at its own expense)
    1. marshes
      marshes 1 February 2014 11: 59
      0
      Quote: commbatant
      force the Russian Federation to strengthen air defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan (even at its own expense)

      What do you think 5 divisions will play a role, just cover some kind of city.
      1. commbatant
        commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 09
        +1
        they will frustrate a sudden invasion, but again we don’t know their future location, and therefore their purpose
        1. marshes
          marshes 1 February 2014 12: 15
          +5
          Quote: commbatant
          they will frustrate a sudden invasion, but again we don’t know their future location, and therefore their purpose

          There is a radar for this, and as a rule, the country's air defense is based on MIG-31 systems.
          1. commbatant
            commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 27
            +5
            MIG-31 is a high-altitude interceptor fighter (it has no analogues in terms of tasks) http://aviatoru.at.ua/forum/112-458-1
            expensive pleasure too
            Information about the Air Force of Kazakhstan is collected from open sources and may contain significant inaccuracies.

            The Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan is the second largest in the post-Soviet space after the Russian Air Force. At their disposal are more than 400 combat aircraft, 80 transport aircraft and 300 helicopters for various purposes. In mid-2010, the Kazakh Air Force included 34 Su-27S and Su-27UB fighters.
            The alignment of the bases:
            Aktau: 14 Su-25, 16 Su-27P, 2 Su-27UB
            Almaty: 5 An-12BP, 1 An-24, 14 An-26, 6 An-30, 1 Yak-42, 1 Tu-154B2, 1 Boeing-747-200
            Balkhash: 15 L-39S, 12 Su-24MR
            Karaganda: 43 MiG-31
            Zhetigen: 34 MiG-29, 5 MiG-29UB, 23 Su-24, Su-24MR
            Taraz: 40 Mi-8, 4 Mi-8PPA, 24 Mi-26
            Ucharal: 42 Mi-24, 14 Mi-8, 17 Mi-171Sh
            Taldykorgan: 120 MiG-23 / MiG-27, 28 Su-27SM, 6 Su-27UB
            Shymkent: 14 Su-25, 2 Su-25UB
            Here are some more refined data:

            600th Guards air base (Zhetigen-Nikolaevka) - 23-35 front-line bomber Su-24, 32-34 fighter Mig-29, 5 combat training Mig-29UB.
            602nd air base (Shymkent) - 14 Su-25 attack aircraft.
            604th air base (Taldy-Kurgan) - 58 Su-27 fighters, 8 Su-27UBM2, 120 Mig-27, Mig-23 fighter-bombers and in storage over 60 Mig-21.
            605th air base (Aktau) - 16 Su-27, 2 Su-27UB.
            607th airbase (Ucharal) - 46 Mi-24 helicopters, 14 Mi-8 helicopters
            609th air base (Balkhash) - 22 reconnaissance bomber Mig-25, 5 Su-24
            610th air base (Karaganda) - 29 interceptors Mig-31, 12 Su-27, 4 Su-27 UB.
            612th airbase (Taraz) - 24 MI-26 helicopters, 4 Mi-8PP helicopters, up to 40 Mi-8 helicopters.
            Training airbase (Semipalatinsk)
            620th Aviation Regiment (Astana) - for transportation of high-ranking officials.
            218th transport air squadron (Almaty) - up to 5 An-12 transport, up to 25 aircraft and helicopters for transportation of high-ranking officials.

            The MiG-29 and L-39 training aircraft of the Military Institute of the Air Defense Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan named after the double hero T. Ya. Begeldinov are based at Aktobe airport at the Khlebodarovka training ground airport in the Martuk district of the Aktobe region (50 ° 32′35 ″ S. 56 ° 51′23 ° ″ E (G) (O) 60 km northwest of Aktobe, near railway junction No. 37). The Institute was created in 1996 on the basis of the former Aktobe Higher Flight School of Civil Aviation (AVLUGA). At Aktobet airport, there are also 10 transport aircraft Yak-42, Mi-17 helicopters.
            According to the data from Velikopidia, the aircraft you indicated are deployed in the north of Kazakhstan. Explicitly not to cover Astana
            1. marshes
              marshes 1 February 2014 12: 35
              +2
              Quote: commbatant
              According to the data from Velikopidia, the aircraft you indicated are deployed in the north of Kazakhstan. Explicitly not to cover Astana

              Well, if airfield infrastructure was built like that, back in the USSR.
              1. commbatant
                commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 43
                +1
                the fact of the matter is that the airfield set, planes could be held near Alma-Ata, however, the Ural industrial region will not only in the Russian Federation, if it works, but also in the Republic of Kazakhstan
                1. marshes
                  marshes 1 February 2014 12: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: commbatant
                  , planes could be kept near Alma-Ata,

                  So they stand and cover the air base in Kant and Kyrgyzstan under the CSTO agreement.
                  1. commbatant
                    commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 57
                    0
                    we are talking about Kazakhstani MIG-31s, not Russian, Russian MIG-31s ​​in Kant covering a space reconnaissance station located in the mountains of Kyrgyzstan ... and not from the PLA of the People's Republic of China
                  2. marshes
                    marshes 1 February 2014 13: 01
                    +3
                    Quote: commbatant
                    , Russian MIG-31s ​​in Kant cover a space reconnaissance station located in the mountains of Kyrgyzstan ... and not from the PLA of the PRC

                    There is no MIG-31 of the Russian Federation in Kant, Some Su-25 helicopters and transport aircraft.
                  3. commbatant
                    commbatant 1 February 2014 13: 10
                    +1
                    they promised to be sent there exactly
                  4. marshes
                    marshes 1 February 2014 13: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: commbatant
                    they promised to be sent there exactly

                    And what will they do there? "In the pit."
                2. commbatant
                  commbatant 1 February 2014 13: 15
                  +2
                  It is expected that upon completion of the reconstruction of the base, modernized Su-27SM fighters, Su-24 and Su-25 attack aircraft capable of flying around the clock and in any weather conditions, as well as effectively using all types of high-precision bomb and missile weapons, will be sent here.
                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82_%28%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B
                  0%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%29
                  I guess I made a mistake on the "box" they never lie
                3. marshes
                  marshes 1 February 2014 13: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: commbatant
                  and Su-27SM, Su-24 and Su-25 attack aircraft, capable of flying around the clock and in any weather conditions, as well as effectively using all types of high-precision bomb and missile weapons.

                  And where is 31?
                4. commbatant
                  commbatant 1 February 2014 13: 50
                  0
                  Quote: marshes
                  Quote: commbatant
                  and Su-27SM, Su-24 and Su-25 attack aircraft, capable of flying around the clock and in any weather conditions, as well as effectively using all types of high-precision bomb and missile weapons.

                  And where is 31?


                  I said I was wrong, but "on TV they promised exactly 31"
  • AK-47
    AK-47 1 February 2014 12: 42
    +4
    Quote: commbatant
    Kazakhstan Air Force Information Collected From Open Source

    Snowden nervously smoking on the sidelines.
    1. commbatant
      commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 51
      0
      By the way, to comrades from the former BSSR, the Russian Federation transferred the S-300PS air defense missile systems (as it is now the Republic of Kazakhstan), but also the S-300V (accordingly, there is a threat of a ground attack on Belarus from the "aggressive NATO bloc"), and there is no such threat against Kazakhstan, which is logical ... Therefore, according to the nomenclature of В and ВТ, one can guess what threats the former RSFSR is preparing for ...
  • demel2
    demel2 1 February 2014 15: 31
    0
    If everyone were in order, then a pretty serious force.
  • alone
    alone 1 February 2014 13: 18
    +3
    Quote: marshes
    What do you think 5 divisions will play a role, just cover some kind of city.


    In some eyes, 5 Divisions is a huge force. Maybe, but for a large Kazakhstan, a drop in the bucket.
    1. marshes
      marshes 1 February 2014 13: 26
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      but for a big Kazakhstan, a drop in the ocean.

      Good afternoon.
      Enough to cover the millionaire city.
      1. commbatant
        commbatant 1 February 2014 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: marshes
        Quote: lonely
        but for a big Kazakhstan, a drop in the ocean.

        Good afternoon.
        Enough to cover the millionaire city.


        you need to open the geographical atlas of the Kazakh SSR and see where industrial enterprises are located, there will be new / old divisions, they will not be put in the steppe ...
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 1 February 2014 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      Quote: marshes
      What do you think 5 divisions will play a role, just cover some kind of city.


      In some eyes, 5 Divisions is a huge force. Maybe, but for a large Kazakhstan, a drop in the bucket.


      This is better than nothing ... In the eyes of many ...
      1. alone
        alone 1 February 2014 17: 05
        -1
        Well, in our eyes it’s not much. Moreover, we don’t need gifts. We pay for everything at world prices. And we buy much better than the S-300PS hi
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 1 February 2014 23: 10
          +3
          Quote: lonely
          Well, in our eyes it’s not much. Moreover, we don’t need gifts. We pay for everything at world prices. And we buy much better than the S-300PS hi


          An hour, not an Israeli air defense system Spyder? Or C-1 Shell? 20 km?
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 1 February 2014 13: 08
    0
    Quote: Civil
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Hold Kazakhstan ..first tier ..! I heard this news yesterday. We cover the dome slowly ..!


    There, it seems, there are no air fleets in Asia requiring such air defense systems, the Taliban hordes should probably be restrained by other means ...


    But what about the Iranian nuclear threat ???
  • 222222
    222222 1 February 2014 13: 20
    +2
    "It seems like there are no air fleets in Asia that require such air defense systems, the hordes of the Taliban should probably be restrained by other means ..."

    Borders: in the east - with China - 1782,8 km, ........... in the south - with Kyrgyzstan - 1241,6 km, Uzbekistan - 2351,4 km and Turkmenistan - 426,0 km.
    1. marshes
      marshes 1 February 2014 13: 29
      +7
      Quote: 222222
      Borders: in the east - with China - 1782,8 km, ........... in the south - with Kyrgyzstan - 1241,6 km, Uzbekistan - 2351,4 km and Turkmenistan - 426,0 km.

      Plus, India with Pakistan and Iran, as well as the US air base in the Indian Ocean, not to mention the US Navy.
  • sinukvl
    sinukvl 1 February 2014 16: 48
    +1
    Kazakhstan is also the border with China, and Pakistan is not far.
  • Trinity
    Trinity 1 February 2014 20: 03
    +1
    CIVIL / Wipe your eyes, maybe a little further than your nose you will see.
  • askarlad
    askarlad 1 February 2014 21: 03
    0
    So that’s probably why they bought several TERMINATORS to try in the steppe, and after that they very quickly decided to remake all 72nds in Kazakhstan together with Russia into BMPT.
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 2 February 2014 15: 23
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    There seems to be no air fleets in Asia requiring such air defense systems


    What are you saying? There is enough
  • Nick
    Nick 2 February 2014 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    There seems to be no air fleets in Asia, t

    Kazakhstan borders with China, and there are enough sides ...
  • domokl
    domokl 1 February 2014 09: 17
    +11
    Signed an agreement - get the S-300 ... That's right ... The borders with China should be covered seriously ...
    1. askarlad
      askarlad 1 February 2014 21: 36
      +3
      Let's just say that Kazakhstan, as if it is regrettable, cannot do anything in case of aggression from China.
      And it seems to me that all incoming 300s, with the exception of the existing ones, will be placed in precisely to cover the borders along China. Since the relocation of existing systems will be nervously regarded by China.


      PS I remember something like this do not judge strictly.
      After the collapse of the USSR, China asked to voluntarily forcibly destroy the fortress. area along the Charyn canyon towards Khorgos. And this is a chain of underground communications of bunkers, etc. etc. whoever was there will understand what a plus one who will conduct protection there gains.
      QUESTION? If China is so peace-loving, why did it set this one of the most important tasks then?
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 3 February 2014 09: 03
        +1
        because the whole east, up to and including Balkhash, he considers his territory
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 1 February 2014 09: 31
    +5
    We are getting stronger slowly and rightly so.
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 1 February 2014 09: 32
    +5
    “This year, we will supply the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan with sufficient S-300 complexes to ensure the protection of airspace,” said Shoigu, without specifying exactly how many complexes and under what conditions Russia will deliver to Kazakhstan, RIA Novosti reports.


    It was reported on "military materials" that 5 S-300 divisions will be handed over to Kazakhstan this year, very good news !!! Now Kazakhstan from the south will be normally covered good
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 1 February 2014 09: 57
    +6
    News that pleases! Kazakhs are faithful allies, but the Taliban have nothing to do with it.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 1 February 2014 12: 35
      +2
      S-300 can be used as operational tactical missiles. Perhaps that is why they are not shipped to Iran. hi
  • ed65b
    ed65b 1 February 2014 09: 59
    -4
    But the Kazakhs will not resell, otherwise the freebies will get too busy. And the S-300 will pop up in Iran. Or maybe this plan is so secret laughing
    1. vlum
      vlum 1 February 2014 10: 26
      +4
      ts-ss, don't talk out loud about secret plans
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 1 February 2014 12: 40
      +13
      Edward, this is not serious. We have been waiting for them for a long time. We were even ready to buy back in 2000. But the Russian Federation did not. And now for free.
      We are talking about joint air defense - so to sell what we ourselves will not need. And agreements with the Russian Federation have never been violated. yes
      1. avt
        avt 1 February 2014 13: 25
        +6
        Quote: Kasym
        . We have been waiting for them for a long time. We were even ready to buy back in 2000. But the Russian Federation did not. And now for free.

        Quote: Kasym
        Arrangements for the S-300 were reached in 2010. Agreed on 10 divisions. Finally, we waited for the start of deliveries. And the fact that B / U is okay is already checked.

        hi Trite lacked technology. Just now, with the introduction of additional production capacities and the restoration of cooperation in production, something can move in this sector of the defense industry. Here, as with your Mi26, there is simply no production opportunity to reanimate them in our factories.
        1. marshes
          marshes 1 February 2014 13: 30
          +8
          Quote: avt
          Here as with your Mi26

          Last year in Novosibirsk, the Mi-26 was re-equipped and repaired for the Ministry of Emergencies.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 1 February 2014 13: 56
            +5
            Swamps, at 1 per year - where is it suitable. Although, dear AVT is right - there are no opportunities.
            1. marshes
              marshes 1 February 2014 14: 04
              +3
              Quote: Kasym
              Swamps, at 1 per year - where is it suitable. Although, dear AVT is right - there are no opportunities

              Yes, there are cows and they fly, in the summer I saw how she was walking towards Shymkent.
              1. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 15: 35
                +1
                Quote: marshes
                Yes, there are cows and they fly, in the summer I saw how she was walking towards Shymkent.

                I welcome the swamps. I saw MIG-29 flying in Shymkent, where do we get them from, do you not know?
                1. marshes
                  marshes 1 February 2014 16: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  I saw in Shymkent MIG-29 fly, where are we from,

                  Greetings!
                  Their "native" base is in Shymkent.
                  1. Andrey KZ
                    Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 16: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: marshes
                    Their "native" base is in Shymkent.

                    Understood thanks. It's just that the MIG-29 list is not listed here, but they are flying. request
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 1 February 2014 16: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: Andrey KZ
                      Understood thanks. It's just that there is no MIG-29 in the list that was brought here, and they fly

                      The list is not accurate and good.
                      1. Yegorchik
                        Yegorchik 1 February 2014 22: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: marshes

                        The list is not accurate and good.

                        Yes, the list is, to put it mildly, from a fanar, judging by those bases where I haven’t been anything in common with reality.
            2. avt
              avt 1 February 2014 14: 09
              +5
              Quote: Kasym
              Swamps, at 1 per year - where is it suitable. Although, dear AVT is right - there are no opportunities.

              Quote: marshes
              Last year in Novosibirsk, the Mi-26 was re-equipped and repaired for the Ministry of Emergencies.

              We found a repair plant with personnel - it’s already good, maybe after a trial step it will be possible to increase the pace of repair and conversion. Judging by the intensity of work in Rostov, judging by the intensity of work in Rostov, it will probably fail. By the way, you said -
              Quote: Kasym
              About the radar. We have Western samples that may not be compatible with the Russian ones, both in frequency and in the friend or foe system.
              There may still be such a thing as Saddam's in Iraq - at the right moment they will be cut down altogether. A very delicate and delicate air defense thing and quite necessary, the temptation is great for the defender to put out the light at the right time. "Yes, on the next branch, Ascetic very accurately noticed - they close the sky in the southern direction, "Armor" threw up and wait for "Triumph" from the factory, a couple of divisions.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 1 February 2014 17: 25
                +8
                AVT, so on the site one person. painted all of our air defense in terms of radar. Ours is such a mess porridge (probably drank the budget) - now I think now it will have to tackle all of it (I just meant Iraq and Yugoslavia). Indeed, some of my fellow countrymen are not in the subject and do not understand that general air defense is a common system of someone else’s, the common frequencies and algorithms of radar operation - and this is super-secret information. But better late than never. Shoigu said that over the past year about 2 dozen times in contact with our MO. It is very pleasing. 140 mil. dale on military-technical cooperation between the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation this is not enough in my opinion. Nazarbayev and Shoigu after the meetings of the defense ministers of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation just discussed this topic.
                For example, ours expressed interest in aviation: MiG-35, Su-34, Su-30 (35), Yak-130, Su-39 (moderated. Su-25) and helicopters. But apparently, due to the loading of production by our own state defense order, nothing falls into our hands.
                As for the Mi-26, Marek painted, he dealt with this issue. There really are problems with the repair. Therefore, they did repair 1 car per year. And we have 20 of them. are standing. On the move, a few units. Maybe something really will change for the better - it is not in vain that it invests so much money in the Russian defense industry. Ours are even ready to deploy some kind of power. But the Russian Federation did not go to the meeting. True, there are advances. Ka-226 will be assembled and serviced at the Alma-Ata 405 plant. There, the Mi-8 (17) is being repaired. And as early as 3 years the plant came out in profit, before that it was at a loss.
                AVT. Another fact of the allied attitude of the Republic of Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation. Even with $ 100 billion in reserves, Kazakhstan takes practically nothing from the West. Of course, there are purchased C-295 donated by Hummers and Huey. But the strike weapons are all Soviet. Only repair and modernization is in progress. And this long-awaited delivery will make it possible to swap our air defense system. To be honest, our air defense is so outdated that there is nowhere to go. The mere fact that the main component of the air defense was the MiG-31, and not ground complexes, speaks volumes. And the average radius of the air defense systems can be said not. Therefore, you need Buki with Torah and Armor with Tunguska (only this is with Shilki). So we have a lot to do here. And this delivery is really LONG-WAITED AND NECESSARY. Therefore, I am sure that "our" S-300s will not go to the third side - it is NECESSARY ourselves. drinks hi
                1. avt
                  avt 1 February 2014 18: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Kasym
                  For example, ours expressed interest in aviation: MiG-35, Su-34, Su-30 (35), Yak-130, Su-39 (moderated. Su-25) and helicopters. But apparently, due to the loading of production by our own state defense order, nothing falls into our hands.

                  request Shoigu said at one meeting - “we have the Su34 one plant.” And besides, since the prototype was shown in Machulishchi, I got the impression that this car was stubbornly not allowed to be put into series, because there were attempts also at EBN on the wing in Novosibirsk to deliver. Ivanov pushed through the series. Today we ourselves are happy with individual aircraft. Even the modernized ones for new ones still thought yesterday. There was an article on the site about how they rejoiced in the north that the aircraft carrier for the Indians allowed to restore production cooperation during the overhaul and construction of large ships The same is true in the aircraft industry - it is going on with great difficulty, even the other day the Prosecutor General “was initiated” by criminal cases on the fact of failure to fulfill the defense order. Everything is very squeaky and tight.
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Ours are even ready to deploy some kind of power. But the Russian Federation did not go to the meeting. True, there are advances. Ka-226 will be assembled and serviced at the Alma-Ata 405 plant. There, the Mi-8 (17) is being repaired. And as early as 3 years the plant came out in profit, before that it was at a loss.
                  Well, there is no centralized planning anymore, so it goes according to the principle of "proposals from which you cannot refuse" Someone and GDP kicks out.
                  Quote: Kasym
                  there are purchased S-295

                  I already wrote - the correct move, we have analog machines, and An does not, maybe Il112, but he is in the "nest", and An ramp does not have it and whether it will be unknown.
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Therefore it is necessary and Buki with Torah and Shell with Tunguska

                  The old man squeezed the Torah with a creak, put it on his wheels. Like at Obukhovskiy, Vityaz, the GDP was shown at the new industrial site - maybe the equipment will go more cheerful. that the leaders understood that the sky should be specifically closed! Now, if only the air defense was REALLY as a UNIFIED system for making and executing a decision to destroy over the covered territory would have been done, well then in general good ,, the beloved city can sleep peacefully "After all, you can think over and within the framework of national formations some kind of layered option with a single command with tracking the space and making a decisiondrinks
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 1 February 2014 23: 08
                    +4
                    Yes, if it was possible to create a single air defense following the example of the USSR, it would be just super. I remember even our ancient P-12 in 1987 at the air training ground was considered in the 2nd echelon of air defense. And all the evidence was shot on tape. Radar control over its territory and around the perimeter for 1000 km is complete. And if you saturate everything with air defense systems and aviation - even the PRC will scratch its turnips a hundred times than to bother with bad intentions. drinks hi
                2. Nursultan
                  Nursultan 1 February 2014 18: 38
                  +6
                  Hello! I personally saw the new P-18 and 5N84 (Defense) radars manufactured by the Republic of Kazakhstan. they are being modernized in Almaty. RK picks up its defense industry
      2. T80UM1
        T80UM1 3 February 2014 09: 05
        0
        It makes no sense to write something about Ed65b; don’t waste your effort. It's like a wall. By analogy with Clegg (Esen)
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2014 11: 11
      -4
      Quote: ed65b
      And the s-300 will pop up in Iran

      well if in Iran, and will not be used against Russia
      Reading the Kazakh media lately, I am more and more convinced that Kazakhstan is shaking the outstretched hand of friendship with one hand, and with the other it finances the Kazakh Nazis and we will get another "Maidan" only now I’m already in Kazakhstan
  • propolsky
    propolsky 1 February 2014 10: 02
    +1
    Belarusian leader will disagree!
  • January
    January 1 February 2014 10: 05
    +2
    Why free then? Why not for the money?
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 10: 23
      +1
      Quote: jan
      Why free then? Why not for the money?

      Because our button will be pressed ..
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 1 February 2014 10: 40
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Quote: jan
        Why free then? Why not for the money?

        Because our button will be pressed ..

        Vital you are not quite right, two will press, after consultations with the defense ministers of the two countries and the presidents. so for now they decide there will be no one to shoot down.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 13: 04
          +2
          Quote: ed65b
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: jan
          Why free then? Why not for the money?

          Because our button will be pressed ..

          Vital you are not quite right, two will press, after consultations with the defense ministers of the two countries and the presidents. so for now they decide there will be no one to shoot down.

          This is to calm certain circles ... In such systems, usually a (reliable) commissar is present ... with all the powers .. (The S-300 is transferred free of charge, which means with the commissar and the main "key" with him ... You never know what can happen .. bully Now many people like to press buttons ...))) laughing
      2. avt
        avt 1 February 2014 11: 15
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Because our button will be pressed ..

        request What kind of fright ??? The “unified” air defense system is clearly divided according to nationality and each unit is subordinate to its command in peacetime, and in wartime, God forbid, some single one, but who has not yet been announced specifically.
        Quote: kosta_cs
        Here they pay not in money, but in agreements and concessions. Just about them you will never hear

        Quite right, they probably agreed on something, but did not voice it.
    2. kosta_cs
      kosta_cs 1 February 2014 10: 34
      +8
      Here they pay not in money, but in agreements and concessions. Just about them you will never hear. For example, Kazakhstan in return could give the go-ahead for the use of its landfills or cede part of some shares to Gazprom or pledged to support Russia by voice in resolving any issue at any summit - there are plenty of options. Food for thought quote from the news: "... At the same time, the minister said that the military departments of Russia and Kazakhstan have resolved all issues on the development of the Balkhash complex." We have agreed to start its joint operation and work. For this, this year it will be necessary to start training specialists, provide admission and, most importantly, to ensure the installation and delivery of additional equipment, "- said Shoigu ..."
      1. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 11: 34
        0
        Quote: kosta_cs
        Here they pay not in money, but in agreements and concessions. Just about them you will never hear.

        Clear AGAIN WE BUY "FRIENDSHIP" OF THE NEIGHBOR
        1. AK-47
          AK-47 1 February 2014 12: 51
          0
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          Here they pay not in money, but in agreements and concessions.

          Maybe the spaceport will be returned?
          1. Veteran Vlad.
            Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 13: 52
            -3
            Quote: AK-47
            Maybe the spaceport will be returned?

            Nafig need it We need to finish your own. EVERYTHING NEEDS TO HAVE OWN AND YOURSELF
            BUT "FRIENDSHIP" DOESN'T NEED TO BUY BUT EVERYONE ALREADY HAS BEEN TRAINED, GIVE MONEY OR PRIVILEGES OR PREFERENCES WE WILL BE FRIENDS THEN
            1. Andrey KZ
              Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 15: 38
              +10
              Quote: Veteran Vlad.

              Nafig need it We need to finish your own. EVERYTHING NEEDS TO HAVE OWN AND YOURSELF
              BUT "FRIENDSHIP" DOESN'T NEED TO BUY BUT EVERYONE ALREADY HAS BEEN TRAINED, GIVE MONEY OR PRIVILEGES OR PREFERENCES WE WILL BE FRIENDS THEN

              And when did Kazakhstan ask Russia for money? According to C-300, the defense ministers must have agreed on something, but we don’t know the whole background.
              1. Veteran Vlad.
                Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 16: 08
                -4
                Quote: Andrey KZ
                And when did Kazakhstan ask Russia for money? According to C-300, the defense ministers must have agreed on something, but we don’t know the whole background.

                I am talking about all the CIS countries
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 1 February 2014 17: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                  I am talking about all the CIS countries

                  And when it was Azerbaijan that asked for money from Russia ??? Unlike others, it’s always only in cash and on time. Azerbaijan itself actively buys everything and gives loans. But other comrades, yes, especially some ..
        2. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 1 February 2014 13: 07
          +2
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          I understand WE BUY AGAIN "FRIENDSHIP" OF THE NEIGHBOR

          "Friendship" can be bought, but FRIENDSHIP can only be earned.
          1. Veteran Vlad.
            Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 13: 53
            -1
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            and FRIENDSHIP can only be earned.

            We are in the countries of the former USSR EXACTLY BUYING FRIENDSHIP EXACTLY BUYING
        3. faser
          faser 1 February 2014 16: 58
          +9
          1. Kazakhstan covers unprotected Siberia and the Urals of the Russian Federation, as if it were a buffer between the Islamic Central Asia and the Russian Federation
          2. In Kazakhstan, 3,5 million Russians live permanently, which is 20% of the population of Kazakhstan. They live here on equal terms with the Kazakhs, i.e. during the war they will also be mobilized and sent to the front.
          Russia defending Kazakhstan defends itself and compatriots.
    3. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 1 February 2014 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: jan
      Why free then? Why not for the money?


      Is our security a freebie?
  • Salamander
    Salamander 1 February 2014 10: 07
    +15
    As one well-known comrade used to say: "This is ... not without reason!" If the complexes are already being supplied free of charge, then Kazakhstan has become a reliable ally. Keep it up!
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 1 February 2014 10: 19
    +12
    Thank you, thank you .. We’ll not resell it, don’t be afraid. If this happens (as I doubt it) it will be with Russia's consent. In fact, the situation even with the same Iran is not obvious. In the Caspian Sea, territory has not yet been divided with Iran, and it is quite possible that strengthening Kazakhstan’s air defense is beneficial in this matter.
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 1 February 2014 13: 11
      +7
      Quote: Ram Chandra
      the situation even with the same Iran is not obvious. In the Caspian Sea, the territory has not yet been divided with Iran, and it is quite possible that strengthening the air defense of Kazakhstan is beneficial in this matter.

      Absolutely, I always said that the Persians are a dubious friend for us (both Russia and Kazakhstan). And we will always find a common language among ourselves (the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan). There are no global contradictions between us.
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 1 February 2014 10: 20
    +4
    They give just used ones, but within the framework of the Customs Union, this is a gesture of goodwill ..
    1. vlum
      vlum 1 February 2014 10: 30
      +3
      More precisely, they don’t give, but place, but with the observance of formalities. The preposition in the title of the article is not enough.

      Russia will deliver _in_ Kazakhstan_e_ (and not to Kazakhstan)
    2. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 11: 32
      0
      Quote: Scandinavian
      and within the framework of the Customs Union, this is a gesture of goodwill ..

      And you are sure of this; maybe the free transfer of c-300 is the colonization and oppression of free Kazakhstan? laughing
      1. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 1 February 2014 16: 21
        +2
        And you are sure of this; maybe the free transfer of c-300 is the colonization and oppression of free Kazakhstan?


        If in this way I wanted to pin up, then it did not work out ....
  • Clegg
    Clegg 1 February 2014 10: 26
    +4
    Strange news, why free? Putin will probably require something in return, but what exactly ?!
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 1 February 2014 10: 41
      +6
      Quote: Clegg
      Strange news, why free? Putin will probably require something in return, but what exactly ?!

      You have a stormy fantasy, come up with something. laughing
    2. marshes
      marshes 1 February 2014 11: 45
      +3
      Quote: Clegg
      Strange news, why free? Putin will probably require something in return, but what exactly ?!

      Nothing will be required, just Shoigu thought for a long time with what and Astana should come.
      Moreover, these five divisions need to be brought back to normal condition, at our expense and still delivered to Kazakhstan.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 1 February 2014 12: 21
        +4
        Hello to all ! Arrangements for the S-300 were reached in 2010. Agreed on 10 divisions. Finally, we waited for the start of deliveries. And the fact that B / U is okay is already checked.
        Here another problem pops up. About the radar. We have Western samples that may not be compatible with the Russian ones, both in frequency and in the friend or foe system. Most likely they will be transferred to the civilian sector, but the problem exists. I think there are no fools.
        It was also reported that for the military-technical cooperation of Kazakhstan and Russia, the turnover for the past year was 140 mil. dol .. hi
        1. alone
          alone 1 February 2014 13: 23
          0
          Quote: Kasym
          Hello to all ! Arrangements for the S-300 were reached in 2010. Agreed on 10 divisions. Finally, we waited for the start of deliveries. And the fact that B / U is okay is already checked.


          By the way, Dauren, these S-300PS systems are old modification. Their TTX is much lower than that of the same PMU.
          As for verification, in reality the S-300s have never participated in battles. Only training shots.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 1 February 2014 14: 12
            +7
            Hello, Omar! Yes, we are at least outdated - while there are no obvious threats. We are allies with the Russian Federation - who will sell us something. And we were allowed to, but Russia did not. As we replace the S-300 with the S-400 in the Russian Federation, we will receive it in a more modern way. And how did we get info from 2016 (maybe later) there will be opportunities to purchase S-400.
            As for verification, I meant that they had already been used (launched rockets). hi . Regards Dauren.
        2. Nursultan
          Nursultan 1 February 2014 18: 45
          +2
          In general, the RK is modernizing itself and I assure Masha that the equipment will be compatible. in foreign counterparts stands the system of their own production of RK
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 2 February 2014 01: 46
            +2
            It is unlikely that the Kazakhstan system of a friend or foe will be approved by Russia, Nursultan. The fact is that we have European radars that are not compatible with Russian (Soviet-made) air defense systems. This has already been discussed. hi
      2. commbatant
        commbatant 1 February 2014 13: 07
        0
        You say, will you buy a PETRIOT air defense system from the USA? so give up the S-300, save stop
    3. commbatant
      commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 03
      0
      at one time, 6 divisions of the S-300 air defense system were also transferred to the Republic of Belarus, complexes of the first generation were transferred, (the S-300s have not been produced for a long time, but are being modified) which are not produced but are in warehouses, as the saturation of the East Kazakhstan 400, newer modifications will be transferred, but it will still be used.
    4. avt
      avt 1 February 2014 12: 20
      +3
      Quote: Clegg
      Strange news, why free? Putin will probably require something in return, but what exactly ?!

      Exactly .. Some kind of tricky digging under the tender, reverent national independence of Kazakhstan from the insidious neo-colonialists - the Imperials.
      Quote: marshes
      Moreover, these five divisions need to be brought back to normal condition, at our expense and still delivered to Kazakhstan.

      Quote: marshes
      What do you think 5 divisions will play a role, just cover some kind of city.

      Phew! Well, finally, and figured out, exposed vile machinations! The Imperial neocolonialists encroached on the sacred - they will force them to pay for delivery, which will undermine the economic well-being of the independent people of independent Kazakhstan, and even few complexes were given - they are bullied. Well, again, they will force you to learn to use them, you will have to learn the steppe batyrs, and not just command, pointing the direction of launch in the air with your finger.
      1. marshes
        marshes 1 February 2014 12: 31
        0
        Quote: avt
        Phew! Well, finally, and figured out, exposed vile machinations! The Imperial neocolonialists encroached on the sacred - they will force them to pay for delivery, which will undermine the economic well-being of the independent people of independent Kazakhstan, and even few complexes were given - they are bullied. Well, again, they will force you to learn to use them, you will have to learn the steppe batyrs, and not just command, pointing the direction of launch in the air with your finger.

        It looks like my elder brother gave me a Citroen. I still need to sell it and find a buyer and invest in repair, and let the little brother be happy with the gift, though this is his headache.
        1. avt
          avt 1 February 2014 13: 17
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          It looks like my elder brother gave me a Citroen. I still need to sell it and find a buyer and invest in repair, and let the little brother be happy with the gift, though this is his headache.

          laughing And don’t talk. A terrible threat to the independence and national consciousness of Kazakhstan is the transfer of weapons.
        2. commbatant
          commbatant 1 February 2014 13: 22
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          It looks like my elder brother gave me a Citroen. I still need to sell it and find a buyer and invest in repair, and let the little brother be happy with the gift, though this is his headache.


          make the brothers forcibly?
          1. marshes
            marshes 1 February 2014 13: 36
            +3
            Quote: commbatant
            make the brothers forcibly?

            No, it just does not look "pretty", as later the brother bragged to his kents that he gave his brother a car.

            Previously, these divisions were on alert in the Russian army, and “now the specialists of the two countries will need to look at how to bring them into combat readiness.” - Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov
            1. commbatant
              commbatant 1 February 2014 14: 08
              +1
              however, there is no choice, Russia is now building new factories for the production of new S-400s, while it does not provide its own SV and the forces of East Kazakhstan region, they will not be supplied to anyone
              Quote: marshes
              Quote: commbatant
              make the brothers forcibly?

              No, it just does not look "pretty", as later the brother bragged to his kents that he gave his brother a car.

              Previously, these divisions were on alert in the Russian army, and “now the specialists of the two countries will need to look at how to bring them into combat readiness.” - Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov
            2. Kasym
              Kasym 1 February 2014 17: 49
              +4
              Marshes, salem! This statement is deputy min. about. A. Antonova is connected with this. The S-300s supplied to us are in working condition - this is without a doubt. Another thing is to enter them in the air defense system of Kazakhstan, in the general radar field of the country. And then into the COMMON air defense system. This is just the problem of frequencies and operation algorithms. We, as one respected and very informed person wrote here (unfortunately I do not want to delve into the archives), there are radar samples from almost all over the world, and for the general air defense system this is unacceptable - this is the main problem of creating a single air defense (the question is very expensive and not simple). Maybe, most likely it will be so, it will turn out so that the whole question of radio frequencies will have to be shoveled. And they will probably do it. specialists, because Air defense will be general. hi
        3. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 13: 56
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          You still need to sell it and you will find a buyer and invest in the repair, and so let the brother be happy with the gift, though this is his headache.

          SO REFUSE, YOU ARE NOT REFUSING. REFUSE S-300
          1. marshes
            marshes 1 February 2014 14: 06
            0
            Quote: Veteran Vlad.
            SO REFUSE, YOU ARE NOT REFUSING. REFUSE S-300

            Let's see when our specialists arrive at the reception.
            1. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 14: 17
              +1
              Quote: marshes

              Let's see when our specialists arrive at the reception.

              But what about the QUOTE: You still need to sell and find a buyer and invest in repairs, and so let the little brother be happy with the gift, though this is his headache. No, it just does not look "pretty", as later the brother boasted to his kents that he gave his brother a car.
              _______________________________________________________________
              How is the attempt of the insidious and greedy neocoloniolists encroaching on the freedom of Kazakhstan, who want to enslave Kazakhstan?
              But you see how Freebie - you can immediately score on We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of God, we proclaimed our independence in 1991
              1. marshes
                marshes 1 February 2014 14: 22
                0
                Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                Veteran Vlad.

                You also need to be able to present the gift correctly. But not so from the master's shoulder ...
                1. Veteran Vlad.
                  Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 15: 01
                  0
                  Quote: marshes
                  And not so from the master's shoulder.

                  And this is how we propose from the gentleman's shoulder? Personally, I am against any gifts and purchases FRIENDSHIP CIS
                  And in general, how can you accept gifts from us who have colonized you and have deprived you of your customs, traditions, language and religion?
                  You already somehow decide, the atoms make complaints all the time but want to cooperate with us, advocate integration, but at the same time they are always dissatisfied with us
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 1 February 2014 15: 04
                    -1
                    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                    And in general, how can you accept gifts from such Us?

                    Is this a gift?
                    1. Veteran Vlad.
                      Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 15: 14
                      0
                      Quote: marshes
                      Is this a gift?

                      So you yourself wrote QUOTE: You also need to be able to correctly present a gift. But not so from a gentleman's shoulder ...
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 1 February 2014 15: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                        So you yourself wrote QUOTE: You also need to be able to correctly present a gift. But not so from a gentleman's shoulder ...

                        It is not yet known how much money will be spent on resuscitation of these divisions.
                  2. Andrey KZ
                    Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 15: 45
                    +9
                    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                    who colonized you deprived you of your custom, tradition, language and religion?
                    Damn, not a single Kazakh has even even given a hint about colonization throughout the branch, only you posted the same quote three times. I apologize for the question, are you purposefully trying to breed srach here?
                    1. Veteran Vlad.
                      Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 16: 17
                      -7
                      Quote: Andrey KZ
                      Are you purposefully trying to breed srach here?

                      no, just NARZAYU tells them how bad we are there, Here we are - how good we are
                      How can we integrate and cooperate with us if we are like that?
                2. avt
                  avt 1 February 2014 15: 50
                  -2
                  Quote: marshes
                  You also need to be able to present the gift correctly. But not so from the master's shoulder ...

                  laughing laughing Kin’s campaign had seen enough about Chingiz and the horde of different Bodrovs filmed and seriously decided that you should bring gifts and bow low, and even say thank you for taking, and backing away with bows to leave and so three times?
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 1 February 2014 16: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: avt
                    Kin’s campaign had seen enough about Chingiz and the horde of different Bodrovs filmed and seriously decided that you should bring gifts and bow low, and even say thank you for taking, and backing away with bows to leave and so three times?

                    It was not necessary for the press to mention the word for FREE, but the deputy would stutter that the complexes needed to be restored. It was just a transfer within the framework of joint air defense.
                    1. avt
                      avt 1 February 2014 16: 16
                      +1
                      Quote: marshes
                      There was no need for the press to mention the word for FREE

                      laughing It was necessary to say that we also pay extra to take it.
                      Quote: marshes
                      I’m stuttering that the complexes need to be restored.

                      He said the right thing is understandable for any engineer and operator - any equipment from storage, whether in use, when transferred to other hands, it is necessary to check and carry out preventive and restoration repairs if necessary. And with your approach, we are to blame for our love, we would have kept silent - right away there would have been a cry about the fact that we put the worthless scrap. Old man just took the 300s and nothing, there are no deadly moans about the insults.
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 1 February 2014 16: 22
                        +3
                        Quote: avt
                        . Dad that's just the same took the 300s and nothing, groans of wild about mortal insults are not.

                        We are not Old Man, and we do not climb into your pocket.
            2. commbatant
              commbatant 1 February 2014 14: 21
              0
              Quote: marshes
              Quote: Veteran Vlad.
              SO REFUSE, YOU ARE NOT REFUSING. REFUSE S-300

              Let's see when our specialists arrive at the reception.


              you might think your specialists have a choice, look on the Internet, similar complexes are worth
              1. marshes
                marshes 1 February 2014 14: 24
                0
                Quote: commbatant
                you might think your specialists have a choice, look on the Internet, similar complexes are worth

                Che watch, not a few and those who can offer it.
                1. commbatant
                  commbatant 1 February 2014 14: 43
                  -2
                  Quote: marshes
                  Quote: commbatant
                  you might think your specialists have a choice, look on the Internet, similar complexes are worth

                  Che watch, not a few and those who can offer it.



                  FOR FREE?
                  AND FOR MONEY YOU DO NOT BUY, TK RUSSIAN ZRK IN ITS CLASS THE BEST CHEAPER, WOULD YOU HAVE NEW BADS OF S-300 IN YOUR BUBBLE, FROM 2007 SPEAK WAITING FOR A FREEBEL ...
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 1 February 2014 14: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: commbatant
                    FOR FREE?
                    AND FOR MONEY YOU DO NOT BUY, TK RUSSIAN ZRK IN ITS CLASS THE BEST CHEAPER, WOULD YOU HAVE NEW BADS OF S-300 IN YOUR BUBBLE, FROM 2007 SPEAK WAITING FOR A HALYAU ..

                    For money, we need military air defense.
                    1. commbatant
                      commbatant 1 February 2014 15: 05
                      0
                      Quote: marshes
                      Quote: commbatant
                      FOR FREE?
                      AND FOR MONEY YOU DO NOT BUY, TK RUSSIAN ZRK IN ITS CLASS THE BEST CHEAPER, WOULD YOU HAVE NEW BADS OF S-300 IN YOUR BUBBLE, FROM 2007 SPEAK WAITING FOR A HALYAU ..

                      For money, we need military air defense.


                      it’s cheaper to buy a military one from the Old Man, they will modernize and drink Russian systems around the world, and why did you need it from your neighbors of the Air Force and army aviation, but the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China (because of the Russian Federation) will not attack you ...
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 1 February 2014 15: 08
                        +5
                        Quote: commbatant
                        , and why do you need it from the neighbors of your Air Force and army aviation have died

                        The stock does not pull a pocket and generally than to cover the S-300, with pins and an arrow-10?
                  2. Alibekulu
                    Alibekulu 1 February 2014 16: 02
                    +7
                    Do not carry nonsense do you want to say that we have no money? would buy if you had something to sell. You yourself say that they waited with 2007.
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        4. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 1 February 2014 16: 15
          0
          A gift horse ...
      2. AK-47
        AK-47 1 February 2014 12: 57
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Well, again, they will force them to learn how to use them; they will have to study the steppe batyrs
        Well, this is unlikely, the service staff should be Russian otherwise, what's the point.
        1. avt
          avt 1 February 2014 13: 38
          +2
          Quote: AK-47
          Well, this is unlikely, the service staff should be Russian otherwise, what's the point.

          Then this is quite a deployment of our troops on the territory of Kazakhstan, and even not in the form of a separate base, but it is specifically said that a single air defense consists of national units and is subordinate to the national leadership, which means that this option disappears absolutely. So they will exploit themselves, Russia prepares specialists for the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, even at the expense of renting a spaceport, I don’t know what specialties, but probably the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan should provide for the training of technical specialists for 300ku. Especially since Kasym says
          Quote: Kasym
          We were even ready to buy back in 2000. But the Russian Federation did not give
          So they had to plan the training of calculations ahead of delivery, otherwise it does not happen.
    5. T80UM1
      T80UM1 3 February 2014 09: 07
      +1
      Western Kazakhstan with all the oil ... (sarcasm) And so most likely the whole of Kazakhstan in the union (true)
  • DMB87
    DMB87 1 February 2014 10: 33
    +7
    And nobody paid attention to "have solved all the issues on the development of the Balkhash complex"? In vain ...

    "Balkhash-9" is a complex of over-the-horizon radar stations for early detection of ballistic missiles and space objects, built on the basis of separate radio-technical units (ORTU) of five dual radars and one command-computing center (CVC).

    In 1994 it was mothballed, and in 2003 it was transferred to Kazakhstan.
    1. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 11: 36
      -10%
      What for he is needed FOR YOURSELF EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE BUILT, NEEDED TO HAVE ALL YOURSELF
      1. DMB87
        DMB87 1 February 2014 11: 52
        +7
        Are being built. Another began to build in the Orenburg region (http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/46327/).

        If you talk like that, then we do not need bases (Air Force, Navy) abroad.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 1 February 2014 12: 55
          +11
          Veteran, and think about how? After all, such a transfer makes it possible to determine the goal long before its borders (the Republic of Kazakhstan in the area of ​​1800 km per 3000 km), which is very important. For me it’s so generally put somewhere in the Tien Shan mountains - all of Asia will be translucent. A similar one is in Tajikistan, but it is more in space.
          In Kazakhstan, at least 4 facilities (bases) of the Russian Armed Forces. And some are simply irreplaceable: Baikonur, Sary-Shagan, the Center of Space Communications, the Station for Early Warning. Such a number of Russian, military facilities are not anywhere else. So the transfer of S-300 to both countries is at hand.
          THAT WHY I THINK THAT ON AN INDEPENDENT BASIS - THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION IS INTERESTED IN THIS. hi
          1. avt
            avt 1 February 2014 13: 50
            +2
            Quote: Veteran Vlad.
            What for he is needed FOR YOURSELF EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE BUILT, NEEDED TO HAVE ALL YOURSELF

            Quote: DMB87
            Are being built. Another began to build in the Orenburg region

            It does not interfere . And even complements very well with a single missile defense / air defense system.
            Quote: Kasym
            A similar one is in Tajikistan, but it is more in space.

            “Window”? A unique thing! But because of the muddy negotiations with Rakhmon and the unstable situation in the region as a whole, we are building an analogue in Altai, which does not mean an urgent closure and emergency evacuation of the station in Tajikistan.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 1 February 2014 18: 24
              +1
              Of course, WINDOW is an achievement of Soviet science! Yes, Rahmon is not going anywhere - fingers quickly breaks.
  • sergeant
    sergeant 1 February 2014 10: 42
    +5
    Kazakhstan is a buffer zone between Russia and Central Asia. the supply of even B / Ear systems is a double benefit. 1) Moral - we supply you with modern high-precision weapons We are brothers. 2) This is the strengthening of the Russian borders but on the territory of Kazakhstan
    1. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 11: 38
      +5
      Quote: sergeant sergeant
      We are brothers.
      belay
      “We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, in 1991 we proclaimed our independence
      This opinion was expressed by the President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev at the Kazakh-Turkish business forum held in Istanbul, KazInform reports.. lol
      1. marshes
        marshes 1 February 2014 11: 51
        +1
        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
        “We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, in 1991 we proclaimed our independence

        And what is wrong?
        1. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 14: 06
          +4
          Quote: marshes
          And what is wrong?

          So let your Nazarbay at the summits of the CSTO and the CIS, the Customs Union, etc. does not rant about centuries-old friendship and fraternal relations
          1. sergeant
            sergeant 1 February 2014 17: 57
            +2
            for 23 years, Russia has not had a single permanent ally like Nazarbayev !!! Ukrainians or Belarusians yes they are ready to break the Russian.
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 1 February 2014 12: 00
        +1
        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
        “We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, in 1991 we proclaimed our independence

        a rare case when I agree with Nazarbayev
        1. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 14: 08
          +2
          Quote: Clegg
          a rare case when I agree with Nazarbayev


          So let your Nazarbay at the summits of the CSTO and the CIS, the Customs Union, etc. does not rant about centuries-old friendship and fraternal relations
          Yes, then why do you cooperate with us then the CSTO TC CIS, etc.?
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 1 February 2014 14: 49
            -1
            Quote: Veteran Vlad.
            Yes, then why do you cooperate with us then the CSTO TC CIS, etc.?

            My would, would long have come out of these obscure organizations.
            1. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 15: 07
              +2
              Quote: Clegg
              My would, would long have come out of these obscure organizations.

              SIMILAR
              THIS IS CORRECT
              CSTO TS CIS - our rulers need to cook up their affairs
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            2. commbatant
              commbatant 1 February 2014 15: 52
              +4
              Quote: Clegg
              Quote: Veteran Vlad.
              Yes, then why do you cooperate with us then the CSTO TC CIS, etc.?

              My would, would long have come out of these obscure organizations.


              I represent the faces of the rulers of the countries of the former republics of the USSR when the Russian Federation announces its withdrawal from the CIS and the CSTO ...
              all the former republics of each other will be delighted with the cannibal in a small vinogred kramsat ...
              1. Veteran Vlad.
                Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 16: 23
                +4
                Quote: commbatant
                I represent the faces of the rulers of the countries of the former republics of the USSR when the Russian Federation announces its withdrawal from the CIS and the CSTO ...

                Waiting DO NOT WAIT FOR THIS EVENT. I WANT TO LOOK AT THEIR FACE EXPRESSIONS fellow
            3. daulsa
              daulsa 1 February 2014 23: 17
              +4
              Kazakhstan needs all these unions and organizations ... When you grow up and raise a real and worthwhile education, when you learn to think broadly and far, then the mosh will understand that we need all these Unions and Organizations for today .. Nazarbayev knows how to think and predict
      3. commbatant
        commbatant 1 February 2014 12: 15
        0
        The Republic of Kazakhstan without comrades from the Central Committee would not exist in nature at all, at best, another autonomous republic was more part of the Russian Federation, the Red Ki artificially created Kazakhstan, cutting off another piece of Russian land
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 1 February 2014 12: 16
          +3
          Quote: commbatant
          cutting off another piece of Russian land

          tongue
          1. alone
            alone 1 February 2014 13: 26
            +1
            Free is only cheese in a mousetrap)) you have to pay for everything. Sometimes money, and sometimes ... what they ask.
          2. commbatant
            commbatant 1 February 2014 14: 30
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: commbatant
            cutting off another piece of Russian land

            tongue

            BUT IT CAN BE CORRECTED, THE ANCESTORS OF THE TURKISH PEOPLE WILL NOT KEEP SUCH TERRITORY WITHOUT RUSSIA
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 1 February 2014 13: 03
          +5
          Sergey, you wouldn’t be able to argue like that without the Communists.
          Borders are defined, documents are signed and it is not up to you to determine the position and status of this or that people and country.
          We can also say. If it were not for our "yoke" you would have flowed Swedish or some other blood in your veins long ago.
          So let's not make an off-topic "quarrel". With such an attitude, an equal Union cannot be created. stop
          1. avg
            avg 1 February 2014 14: 41
            -1
            Quote: Kasym
            So let's not make an off-topic "quarrel".

            And just say thank you, the language does not turn?
            Although Clegg (2) see which language is good - ( tongue )
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 1 February 2014 14: 51
              -7
              Quote: avg
              And just say thanks

              For the famine? For the destruction of the Alashordyns? For the Semipalatinsk nuclear test site? For the destruction of the Kazakh language? For colonization? For what?
              1. avg
                avg 1 February 2014 14: 58
                +6
                1.Thank you - for the delivery of C 300. Who would like to have Pts. many countries.
                2. Judging by the posts, it’s useless to speak with you about the history of relations.
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 1 February 2014 15: 06
                  -7
                  Quote: avg
                  Thank you for the delivery of C 300. Who would like to have Pts. many countries

                  I would like to say, but the guys are telling me that the life of these complexes in the next year is coming to an end and it annoys me that it's free, as they say, only cheese in a mousetrap.

                  Quote: avg
                  Judging by the posts, it’s useless to talk about the history of relations with you.

                  Least of all I want to discuss this, but when some wise guy writes that they say the Kazakhs should be grateful to the Russians, I have to express my opinion)
                  1. avg
                    avg 1 February 2014 15: 38
                    +8
                    Quote: Clegg
                    I’d like to say, but the guys are telling me that the life of these complexes will end next year

                    You better believe your defense minister, not these guys. I think he knows what he's doing. In 1983, With 300 PS just adopted, the warranty period is 30 years.
                    1. Moreover, this is mainly for missiles.
                    2. The complexes have been repeatedly modernized.
                    3. Complexes undergo medium and major repairs, after which their service life is extended. (I hope the well-known example of the P-36M strategist "Satan" should convince you)
                    4. Why do you think that you delivered the complexes of the first years of release. Here Iran asks for C 300 PMU. And he was adopted in 1985.
                    Quote: Clegg
                    but when some wise guy writes that they say the Kazakhs should be grateful to the Russians, then he is forced to express his opinion

                    And I am grateful to the Kazakhs for a long, friendly cohabitation in a single state. It is unfortunate if this experience is lost, and wasted on petty grievances.
                    1. Andrey KZ
                      Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 16: 13
                      +11
                      Quote: avg
                      And I am grateful to the Kazakhs for a long, friendly cohabitation in a single state. It is unfortunate if this experience is lost, and wasted on petty grievances.
                      good More would be like you!
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                  2. dm98
                    dm98 1 February 2014 18: 04
                    +5
                    Quote: Clegg
                    I would like to say, but the guys are telling me that the life of these complexes in the next year is coming to an end and it bothers me that for free

                    And you, as I understand it, with your guys with c300 complexes on you? !!!!!
                    It’s like your guys that do not allow people of the two countries to communicate normally, because you have a plug in every barrel and everywhere you are looking for a catch! Apparently they themselves are .... you don’t suck it up you will not live ?????
                  3. daulsa
                    daulsa 1 February 2014 22: 52
                    +9
                    Kazakhs really have something to thank the Russians and Russia for. I studied the history of Almaty and saw that almost the entire cultural and creative part of the development of our country was raised, trained, built, passed on the experience of both Russian and non-Russian, but mostly Russian to us, our Kazakhs. So you need to be able to thank our neighbors for all these benefits, and not go into sad memories from the time of the Union, where all nations suffered equally, some more, some less, including the Slavs ..

                    PS I myself am a Kazakh from Almaty
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                    2. DMB87
                      DMB87 20 February 2014 08: 01
                      0
                      Nazarbayev:

              2. commbatant
                commbatant 1 February 2014 15: 16
                +3
                Quote: Clegg
                Quote: avg
                And just say thanks

                For the famine? For the destruction of the Alashordyns? For the Semipalatinsk nuclear test site? For the destruction of the Kazakh language? For colonization? For what?


                can you tell me when Kazakhstan occupied the Russian Federation? gave people land for their state from their own, then call colonizers ..
                You say the Holodomor, and to whom to turn for the suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion and the persecution of Tambov peasants with gases?
                RSFSR - it was an empire on the contrary, when its colonies lived off the metropolis, the union now destroyed all the colonies in the railway station ....
              3. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 1 February 2014 17: 25
                +8
                Quote: Clegg
                1. For the destruction of the Alashordyns?
                2. For the destruction of the Kazakh language
                It's not so clear request Kazakhs, there, too, had a hand ..
                I advise you to read the article "A terrible weapon is a Kazakh denunciation ..."
                http://camonitor.com/archives/10585
                In language, similarly
                You can think, even paraphrase M. Zadornov: "We, the proud Kazakhs, did not allow the Russian imperials to Russify ourselves - we became Russified ourselves am "
              4. sergeant
                sergeant 1 February 2014 17: 36
                +5
                the main enemy of the Russians in the twentieth century was RUSSIAN !!! They themselves suffered more from the revolutions of repression and famines. but we can’t talk about other small nations. I hope the situation will be corrected in the 21st century.
              5. dm98
                dm98 1 February 2014 17: 59
                +5
                Quote: Clegg
                For the famine?

                Lord, and here the Holodomor))))))))))))))
                It is strange that Latvia and Lithuania still do not talk about the Holodomor!
                I think after 30 years and the United States will say from old memory that Russia starved them with hunger
              6. dm98
                dm98 1 February 2014 17: 59
                0
                Quote: Clegg
                For the famine?

                Lord, and here the Holodomor))))))))))))))
                It is strange that Latvia and Lithuania still do not talk about the Holodomor!
                I think after 30 years and the United States will say from old memory that Russia starved them with hunger
              7. daulsa
                daulsa 1 February 2014 23: 14
                +7
                1. In the Holodomor, not only the Kazakh people suffered, but the Russians also died from the Glodomor. For your knowledge, read a little story about the famine in Russia. At least Wikipedia .. Hunger in the Volga region (1921-1922), the Urals, Western Siberia. A lot of Russians have died, estimated at millions. The whole thing was in the regime and the blame rests with the Soviet government, which, incidentally, included the Kazakhs.
                2. For the destruction of the Kazakh language - in general, the statement is fundamentally wrong, since the language was not destroyed and there was no such goal at all to destroy the Kazakh language. In the country, especially in the villages, everyone spoke the Kazakh language. Just the language of interethnic communication was the Russian language .. everyone ..
                3. What other colonization ?? What is colonization, even google it and see how British, Roman, etc. colonization actually took place throughout the world. During the colonization, the seizure of violent territories and enslavement of people takes place .. The Kazakhs voluntarily came to the Russian empress for protection, that is, protection in exchange for joining of their territories ... Such times were then severe. Who knows, if it weren’t for the Russian empire then, maybe the same as the Uighurs lived today: without their land and flag
                4. For the Semipalatinsk nuclear test site .. - Again, the blame lies entirely with the Soviet regime, the regime, including the Kazakhs, who worked there in the CPSU. Wise and inept policy on our part. Kazakhstan in the whole Union had such vast territories with steppes - as the most optimal option for nuclear tests .. The Americans also conducted nuclear tests at their territories ..
          2. commbatant
            commbatant 1 February 2014 14: 55
            +2
            Quote: Kasym
            Sergey, you wouldn’t be able to argue like that without the Communists.
            Borders are defined, documents are signed and it is not up to you to determine the position and status of this or that people and country.
            We can also say. If it were not for our "yoke" you would have flowed Swedish or some other blood in your veins long ago.
            So let's not make an off-topic "quarrel". With such an attitude, an equal Union cannot be created. stop


            About the "swara" I agree, about the rest no, the ghouls from the Central Committee have exhausted all the sensible, now we are paying off, and there will never be an alliance except for an economic one, God forbid, the impression is that the Russian Federation owes something to all the republics of the USSR, when they say that together fought in the Second World War, when it is necessary to say we are "independent", already 20 years have passed, and everything is stupid ...
            1. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 15: 22
              +6
              Quote: commbatant
              The Russian Federation owes something to all the republics of the USSR, when it is necessary they say that they fought together in the Second World War, when it is necessary they say we are "independent", already 20 years have passed, and everything is stupid.

              Yes, you are right
              The exploiters are shouting, the bloodsuckers have robbed us of our custom culture, robbed, etc. And when you need some kind of preferences, benefits or loans, so right away we are fraternal peoples, we defended one homeland in a place, we lived together, and even some say we have the same FAITH and so on
              1. FormerMariman
                FormerMariman 1 February 2014 15: 50
                +2
                You have a little shit, you pick it from your neighbors! You are a pawn like all your scribblers commentators! Why?! Because all the same, you are slipping into interethnic and inter-religious squabbles, healthy grains are not a jot! In the vast majority of cases, it is the Russians who start squabbling (for which I am ashamed). Putin will not ask for your opinion, and he is doing everything right. NAS is old and with its death there can be anything (who will not be known), Salafis and Wahhabis will trample in Kazakhstan (God forbid). Nobody needs a fire on the belly of Russia. Your destiny NARROW kitchen and Internet battles.
                1. commbatant
                  commbatant 1 February 2014 16: 57
                  0
                  [quote = Former Mariman] You are a pawn like all your scribblers commentators! [/ quote]
                  Well, yes, how Berlin needs the Russian brother forward, and how to talk about the fate of the Soviet homeland, a pawn

                  they will trample the Salafis and Wahhabis in the Republic of Kazakhstan (God forbid). Nobody needs a fire on the belly of Russia. Your destiny NARROW kitchen and Internet battles. [/ Quote]

                  trample we meet, do not worry about us Russians, not for the first time, some monarchies in the Persian Gulf region will turn into a "lunar surface" or repeat the "feat" of Atlantis, we will figure out how in one well-known feature film "the world to dust"
                  1. Onizuka teacher
                    Onizuka teacher 1 February 2014 17: 34
                    +3
                    Quote: commbatant
                    trample we meet, do not worry about us Russians, not for the first time, some monarchies in the Persian Gulf region will turn into a "lunar surface" or repeat the "feat" of Atlantis, we will figure out how in one well-known feature film "the world to dust"

                    I doubt it. Firstly, Prince Alexander Nevsky pulled the Slavs from the Horde by Catholics and became related to the Horde, secondly, all the countries of the USSR fought against the fascists without any sacrifice, and thirdly, nobody will allow you to erase or turn the Gulf into a heap near Israel with a nuclear club Jericho which also touches WMD.
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                2. Veteran Vlad.
                  Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 17: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Former Mariman
                  You have a little shit, you pick it from your neighbors! You are a pawn like all your scribblers commentators! Why?! Because all the same, you are slipping into interethnic and inter-religious squabbles, healthy grains are not a jot! In the vast majority of cases, it is the Russians who begin to squabble

                  FORMER MARIMAN because you and the former, and when we were driven out of the republics in the early 90s, and today's claims are that we owe something to everyone, that we are to blame for something, how is it?
                  1. FormerMariman
                    FormerMariman 1 February 2014 19: 18
                    +6
                    1. Those who have served in the Navy do not dare to call themselves a "veteran"! Why are you suddenly a veteran? Have you passed the Second World War? You were "beyond the river." No. Then take the word "veteran" off the nickname. Better put "offended Vlad".
                    2 I live in Kazakhstan, Russian, and proud that I live here. By the way, we have been living here since the Stolypin reform. If you learn 20-30 words in Kazakh in the bastard and not learn English in the bastard, then you are a mistake of nature, or rather fate!
                    3. It's time to equate runners like you and exortсist (what an ugly nickname) with "martyrs" and declare them half-saints!
                    4. Many Russians in Russia yearn for war and incite each other into it, declaring their "readiness" to die for it, judging by the manner of judgment you are not "ON".
                    Probably you need one more large-scale war, so that you RADIANCE learned to respect and value each other and others. I immediately warn you to write about bad migrants, Caucasians and Saudis old, in essence, be responsible for yourself and not for all of Russia and the Russian people.
            2. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 1 February 2014 17: 51
              +3
              Quote: commbatant
              all stupid include ...
              And you don’t even have to turn it on .. lol
        3. Onizuka teacher
          Onizuka teacher 1 February 2014 15: 31
          +7
          Quote: commbatant
          Kazakhstan red ki artificially created by cutting off another piece of Russian land

          Tell me a story when this CA was Russian land? Here the topic is about air defense, and the dearest and besides drunk commbatant carries nonsense about the territory. Although Saturday is the same.
          1. commbatant
            commbatant 1 February 2014 17: 28
            0
            Quote: Teacher Onizuka
            There is a topic about air defense,

            The Kazakhs were the first to start trashing them ...
            1. Onizuka teacher
              Onizuka teacher 1 February 2014 17: 36
              +3
              Here, not all Kazakhs, but citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan are representatives of different nations.
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            3. Zymran
              Zymran 1 February 2014 17: 51
              +1
              Duc, the way it is in fact. 30 system (!) Years. But fishlessness and cancer are fish.
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      5. sergeant
        sergeant 1 February 2014 18: 05
        +2
        Nureke is a sly fox !!! he will not be 100% trusted in Russian. therefore his policy is multi-vector
      6. T80UM1
        T80UM1 3 February 2014 09: 12
        0
        The "Almighty" in the face of the snickering elite of the RSFSR, did not want to leave until the very end, only then, when the grandmother went from oil and other nishtyaks, then I really liked independence ... But "Almighty" can restore everything back ...
  • Patriot23
    Patriot23 1 February 2014 10: 44
    0
    Good news. Russian borders should grow stronger! but why not c400?
    1. avg
      avg 1 February 2014 14: 44
      +3
      Quote: Patriot23
      Good news. Russian borders should grow stronger! but why not c400?


      Why not with the C 500? In addition, according to the logic of some of our brothers, we still need to pay extra to get it, because they still need to be further developed.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 1 February 2014 17: 28
        +4
        Quote: avg
        In addition, according to the logic of some of our brothers, we still need to pay extra to get it, because they still need to be further developed.

        Well no
        here several logics loom.
        1. We do not want these S-300s and friendships with the Russian Federation.
        2. Others are confused by their condition and quality.
        3. those who are very happy
        4. Its freeness annoys the previous 3 categories, since only cheese in a mousetrap is free.
        1. commbatant
          commbatant 1 February 2014 17: 59
          0
          Quote: Yeraz
          Quote: avg
          In addition, according to the logic of some of our brothers, we still need to pay extra to get it, because they still need to be further developed.

          Well no
          here several logics loom.
          1. We do not want these S-300s and friendships with the Russian Federation.
          2. Others are confused by their condition and quality.
          3. those who are very happy
          4. Its freeness annoys the previous 3 categories, since only cheese in a mousetrap is free.



          YES I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY RESULT OF DISCUSSION OF THIS TOPIC
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 1 February 2014 16: 32
      +2
      Quote: Patriot23
      Good news. Russian borders should grow stronger! but why not c400?


      Do they have a lot of s-400s?
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 1 February 2014 10: 56
    +2
    Yes, just the 300s are released, and here they are put to us. The ball is round, trouble can fly even from where. And the 400th can be delivered to Astana at the request of Elbasy.
    1. avt
      avt 1 February 2014 12: 34
      +11
      Quote: Asan Ata
      Yes, just the 300s are released, and here they are put to us.

      ????? request Do you seriously think that our air defense systems are so messed up that we don’t know where to put them and put them !? What new technologies are weighed up and the 300th can be written off in antiquity?
  • konvalval
    konvalval 1 February 2014 11: 09
    +3
    Shoigu and article plus. It is necessary to build air defense of the country, as it was in the Soviet Union, that is, around the entire perimeter of the state border of Russia, and where there is an opportunity and away from our border.
  • sergey261180
    sergey261180 1 February 2014 11: 10
    -1
    It would be better to put in Syria. And again, they give out for free!
  • kelevra
    kelevra 1 February 2014 11: 11
    +2
    It will be useful to both countries!
    1. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 11: 49
      0
      Quote: kelevra
      It will be useful to both countries!

      AHA SO EXACTLY! WILL BE - AS IT WAS ALREADY "We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, in 1991 we proclaimed our independence
      This opinion was expressed by the President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev at the Kazakh-Turkish business forum held in Istanbul, KazInform reports. lol
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 15: 19
        +6
        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
        AHA SO EXACTLY! WILL BE - AS IT WAS ALREADY "We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, in 1991 we proclaimed our independence
        This opinion was expressed by the President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev at the Kazakh-Turkish business forum held in Istanbul, KazInform reports.
        What are you attached to this quote? You need to look not at words, but at deeds. But in reality, Kazakhstan is a faithful and consistent ally of Russia.
        1. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 15: 29
          0
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          What are you attached to this quote? You need to look not at words, but at deeds. But in reality, Kazakhstan is a faithful and consistent ally of Russia.

          Really or what?
          He will be so - there we are bad. Here we are - how good you are
          you already decide WHO WE ARE: colonialists exploiters or good neighbors, and then there he tells us how bad we are, Here to us - how good we are
          I don't like DOUBLE
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 1 February 2014 17: 32
            +4
            Quote: Veteran Vlad.
            I don't like DOUBLE

            so in Kazakhstan 3 categories of people
            those for the Russian Federation sincerely from the heart
            those who are against
            and those who drum with whom.
            And this is normal. Do you want 100% of people adoring or not hating Russia in Kaazakstan ??
            And what does colonization have to do with ??
            Japan was felled hard, nothing is friends with the United States and they are not being bought.
            Indices with the British, etc.
            You may be considered colonialists, but why should this historical truth interfere with mutually beneficial aspects of relations?
            1. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 18: 35
              0
              So let HE say this at the summit, and not behind him in Turkey or to someone else, otherwise He will sing praises to us. THAT'S WHAT IS IT
              And then they show the summit in the zombie box and He pushes us eulogies there
          2. T80UM1
            T80UM1 3 February 2014 09: 24
            +1
            You are colonialists and exploiters, especially before the Red Revolution, though not Anglo-Saxons, otherwise you would live as colonialists in the USA without indigenous ones. You are not bad and not good, you are just Russians with your cockroaches in your head. Satisfied with such an answer? After the red revolution, all the exploiters were allowed to go to the soap.
        2. FormerMariman
          FormerMariman 1 February 2014 19: 37
          0
          Andrew on all the beads is not enough!
      2. T80UM1
        T80UM1 3 February 2014 09: 19
        +1
        This last Kazakh khan (kenesary) preached the massacre of all non-Kazakhs (not only Russian), for which he received his way, not from the Russians, but from the Kirghiz, so there he is dear and a reminder to everyone, absolutely everyone who waited for them for Nazism
  • groin
    groin 1 February 2014 11: 50
    +11
    I was at the international arms exhibition in Astana, so my Kazakh friends there about S-300, SUSHKI, MiG and many other things say OUR, and the French, American, Israeli, etc. military toys are THEIREST. The same is true for international sports competitions.
    For the majority of ordinary people, the words of N. Nazarbayev about integration are not an empty phrase for a long time, especially since recently we have a lot of mixed families. All of you are OUR 'scoops. It’s just that some politicians, or politicians, are DUMMY. And it’s not a sin to cover up and insure your own. "A neighbor is closer than a distant relative" (Chinese wisdom).
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 1 February 2014 12: 28
      +8
      Sorry, but correct. A GOOD NEIGHBOR is better (closer) to a distant relative.
    2. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 15: 25
      +8
      Quote: groin
      I was at the international arms exhibition in Astana, so my Kazakh friends there about S-300, SUSHKI, MiG and many other things say OUR, and the French, American, Israeli, etc. military toys are THEIREST. The same is true for international sports competitions.

      Absolutely true. Kazakhs are worried for Russian athletes no less than Russians. But today, during the Astana Arlans and Russian Boxing Team match, I will cheer for Kazakhstan!
  • marshes
    marshes 1 February 2014 12: 17
    +7
    Here are the teachings of the Air Defense Forces.
  • michael17111971
    michael17111971 1 February 2014 12: 32
    +1
    Better they guard the near approaches to the border than we
  • ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 1 February 2014 12: 35
    0
    It would be more correct to arrange their air defense units, and not transfer equipment for free.
  • Arh
    Arh 1 February 2014 12: 44
    0
    Missiles charged country sleep tight! ! !
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 12: 46
    +1
    Quote: major071
    Meehan! hi We had long-range aircraft on board the Sokol, which after 1993 were transferred to Engels, and the airfield itself was abandoned. We also had a radar station, which was also lost. Now they began to restore. good

    There (in Sokol) there were training ... airplanes But in the east there were specific military units and air forces supporting mine-based missiles ..! In the 90s everyone dispersed .. and partly the mines were stolen ... although I can tell you something ... Something was clearly left just in case .. (he is a hill in Africa and a hill ..))) bully
  • Zymran
    Zymran 1 February 2014 13: 28
    +4
    Missed what modification C-300 transmit?
    1. marshes
      marshes 1 February 2014 13: 39
      +3
      Quote: Zymran
      Missed what modification C-300 transmit?

      Good afternoon, PS transmit.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 1 February 2014 13: 44
        +2
        Quote: marshes
        Good afternoon, PS transmit.


        Greetings. This is an ancient modification, which is already more than 30 years old.
        1. marshes
          marshes 1 February 2014 13: 51
          +2
          Quote: Zymran
          Greetings. This is an ancient modification, which is already more than 30 years old.

          That's probably the Ukrainians will be modernized, no matter how they have experience with our C-300 PS.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 1 February 2014 13: 52
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            That's probably the Ukrainians will be modernized, no matter how they have experience with our C-300 PS.


            Mmm, in short, I hope that no one will attack us from the air. laughing
            1. marshes
              marshes 1 February 2014 14: 00
              +1
              Quote: Zymran
              Mmm, in short, I hope that no one will attack us from the air


              "On September 5, 2013, test firing of the S-300PS anti-aircraft missile systems battalion took place in Priozersk. These complexes underwent a major overhaul with an extension of their service life in Ukraine at the facilities of the State Enterprise" Ukroboronservis ", which is part of the SC" Ukroboronprom ". In July 2013 S-300PS were delivered to the territory of Kazakhstan, "the message says.

              More details: http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/otremontirovannyiy-ukroboronservisom-s-300p
              s-uspeshno-ispyitali-v-priozerske-241631 /
              Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 1 February 2014 14: 06
                0
                And I also remember the "repaired" plane of the border service, on which all its leadership was killed.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 1 February 2014 14: 09
                  +2
                  Quote: Zymran
                  And I also remember the "repaired" plane of the border service, on which all its leadership was killed.

                  Corrected, now two An-74 are doing, one for the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                  And in the Holocaust, not only the devices were to blame. It was possible to return.
                2. FormerMariman
                  FormerMariman 1 February 2014 15: 55
                  +2
                  They repaired in Russia, and our generals cut down the grandmothers!
            2. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 1 February 2014 16: 41
              0
              Quote: Zymran
              Quote: marshes
              That's probably the Ukrainians will be modernized, no matter how they have experience with our C-300 PS.


              Mmm, in short, I hope that no one will attack us from the air. laughing


              Those. from other directions is it possible?
  • nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 1 February 2014 13: 30
    +12
    from another Forum

    The only potential military adversary of Kazakhstan is China. But.

    1) The Chinese do not need to attack Kazakhstan with their armed forces. At all. All that China needs in Kazakhstan and from Kazakhstan, China will buy for money. And it will be much cheaper than sending an army there. Even in terms of fuel for tanks and armored personnel carriers. This process of buying by China in Kazakhstan of everything that the Chinese need is in full swing, peacefully, actively and cheerfully.

    2) The only reason for a military conflict involving heavy weapons and such aircraft, which the S-300 is needed against, in the Republic of Kazakhstan, there may be (a sick imagination of a sick brain) a fight with the Americans for control of a giant hydrocarbon deposit in the North Caspian region (when / if this field is discovered) and when a liter of gasoline will cost as much as a Kalashnikov assault rifle with three full horns to it. That is, not tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. And not even after 20 years.

    3) With neighbors (Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, etc.), suddenly something is wrong, Kazastan may well cope with the forces now available. But imagine the Uzbek-Kazakh conflict with the use of tanks and MLRS ... I will not drink so much.

    4) And nevertheless. The Republic of Kazakhstan is a sovereign state. Not in the top 10, but far from the last, I must say. I often have to go to Kazakhstan and communicate a lot with people of different professions and nationalities living there, and I must say that the passionate drive and potential of Kazakhstan seems to me personally higher than in Russia. Just the way is far and difficult. But they (Kazakhstanis) are following it. And they go hard. While the dear Russians lay down to rest. Mb for them, the S-300 is not needed in a real military sense. But they are certainly needed as a symbol. Not every country can afford to have such an air defense. And even more so, she will not be able to use it, suddenly what. Kazakhstan can. So let it be.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 13: 47
    +4
    Quote: Clegg
    Strange news, why free? Putin will probably require something in return, but what exactly ?!

    It won’t require anything .. It’s just that there’s no time to bargain with you ..! The next batch I think Syria will go to Iran), although they are there ..) Putin got everyone and they are preparing a dark one ... And Russia will hold the Olympics!
  • Zymran
    Zymran 1 February 2014 13: 51
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    And Russia will hold the Olympics!


    good
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 14: 09
    +2
    Kazakhstan has clearly revived .. (S-300 as a gift ..) Money will begin to bargain for the transportation .. use agricultural land .. Yes, pay ..! The main thing is not to bother ..! time is gone ..
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 1 February 2014 14: 10
      0
      Kazakhstan, therefore, surrendered almost all of its state interests in favor of Russia.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 14: 46
        +1
        Thank..! I haven’t decided what to do with them yet! Now it would be faster to place the S-300 around the perimeter and put it on combat duty .. And we'll figure it out ..
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 1 February 2014 14: 52
        -1
        Quote: Zymran
        Kazakhstan, therefore, surrendered almost all of its state interests in favor of Russia.

        More precisely, Nazarbayev
      3. groin
        groin 1 February 2014 14: 55
        +14
        And what did Kazakhstan surrender in favor of Russia? I work at a mine where there is a lot of gold (one of the largest deposits in the world with 3 nines), and there is no way to get it from either domestic or Western investors, for 20 years there has been continuous resale, and there are games on the stock exchange. construction (still soviet) is dying, people are out of work. Now a Russian company comes, ready to invest, and their technologies (and they have them), again we will gun that we have passed. Thoughts are broader than literacy, we have collective security, and God himself "ordered" us to establish economic and production ties. Brother. Geopolitics.
        1. FormerMariman
          FormerMariman 1 February 2014 15: 52
          +1
          Not a case of Bestobe?
  • Russ69
    Russ69 1 February 2014 14: 24
    +3
    Kazakhstan will have 5 divisions, 4 more Belarus will be betrayed ... Oh, it’s not for nothing that such an increase.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 15: 01
      0
      And suddenly, the friends of Bandera will decide a racket so casually from the Russian side to launch into the center of the Maidan .. (just kidding) and seriously the southern direction is very alarming. Kazakhstan has little hope .. (to be honest .. no offense) It’s too early to dig trenches yet ..
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 1 February 2014 14: 25
    +5
    “We agreed on the beginning of its joint operation and work. To do this, this year it will be necessary to begin training, ensure access and, most importantly, ensure installation and delivery of additional equipment ”


    Serdyukov has long reduced all, damn it. I would have gone five years to serve before retirement, away from Moscow lasers and staff floor polishers, but the train left, quit in 2008. even the colonel was offered, refused. Seeing what Stool was doing. On Balkhash, of course, a complete ass, but in the strategic plan a very good place will finally be taken, God forbid. In 2016, they plan to deliver the S-400 to Kazakhstan and Belarus within the framework of agreements on the formation of regional common air defense zones. China desperately wants for any money, but it will have to wait until the export version is launched.
  • scientist
    scientist 1 February 2014 14: 43
    +8
    The conversation about the transfer of 5 S-300 air defense systems began 5 years ago under Serdyukov. This was enshrined in the documents on the military-technical cooperation. But then in Russia the mind won. Apparently there were smart people who popularly explained that no matter how formidable weapons the S-300 (and at least the S-500) was, the air defense system should be built in a comprehensive manner on the same technological principles, by competent engineers. Firstly, the basis of air defense is an effective means of electronic intelligence. Kazakhstan is going to buy French GM403 radar at a price 2 times superior to Russian counterparts and TTX behind 2 generations. At the same time, the government is convinced of the alleged possible transfer of technology. Although before that, the same French Thales promised to set up production of radio stations for 5 years, which are 10 times easier, but she did not fulfill her promises.
    Secondly, the air defense system, in principle, is impossible without automatic control systems, too high speeds and short decision-making times. However, Kazakhstani civilian specialists, who inexplicably fell into the armed forces (apparently as effective managers), also managed to excel here. We bought the software from the Belarusian Agat for a lot of money, naturally with a 50% rollback. At the same time, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan knew very well that this Belarusian company had sold all the ACS technology to China 8 years ago. Not only that, in its performance characteristics, the Agat ACS software is only suitable for civilian air traffic control, and even ICAO will not let it through in terms of security, in terms of ballistics, maneuvering and high-altitude targets, it just does not work. At the same time, Russia offered a ready-made automated control system with the capabilities of real combat control in an automatic machine and almost for free. More precisely, a number of unified air defense components were transferred for free, the rest for symbolic money of iron, excluding the cost of software. However, the Chukchi don’t ... why buy cheap and without fat, it’s better to buy more expensive and with a good rollback, as well as with the ability to connect a milking machine in the form of a GIS Center, which expertly launders attendants for the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan and a number of senior officials in the government for 10 years. So, the technique in the hands of the natives is a pile of metal !!!
  • Semurg
    Semurg 1 February 2014 14: 50
    0
    Wow, there are already 120 comments. On the topic of 5 S-300 battalions, we’ll upgrade anything in Russia or Ukraine (fortunately, the Ukrainians have already done this to us). The commissars and crews from Russia are needed by Russia itself, Kazakhstan does not need people who will wait for the team from Moscow (and if the commissar has a mythical key to select it, and the commissar with the crew should be sent to their homeland). As I understood, payment will be offset by leasing for bases (personally against any bases on the territory of Kazakhstan, except for bases of the army of Kazakhstan). According to the younger and older brothers, well, at least the masters and gentlemen of Kazakhstan have ceased to call themselves, and the brothers are already closer and more sincere and that progress is on the face (maybe someday we will come to just brothers without younger and older brothers - by the way, baury (brother) literally it is Kazakh’s liver among Kazakhs it is believed that the liver is the storehouse of the soul, so when Kazakh speaks baurym, it’s my brother, my soul, and my liver laughing. By the way, Kasym was not tired of encouraging the Russians on this site to have equal partnerships; some of them don’t even realize that an equal partnership is stronger than a forced partnership of elders and juniors, where the elders want to take care and the younger ones are burdened by this guardianship.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 1 February 2014 14: 54
    0
    need to hide
  • Zymran
    Zymran 1 February 2014 15: 04
    -1
    Quote: scientist
    Kazakhstan is going to buy French GM403 radars at a price 2 times superior to their Russian counterparts and TTX lagging behind 2 generations. Wherein


    It’s strange. And here, military engineers claim that the Ground Master is one of the best radars in the world. http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/topic6729-140.html
    1. scientist
      scientist 3 February 2014 16: 04
      0
      You can write anything. I will cite one illustrative case in my practice. Once the British company BAE Systems brought their radar to Karaganda for demonstration. Apparently they hoped that it would turn out like in Africa, it is enough to grease the shareholders of Air Astana, many of whom were in the government, promising them investments and the issue will be resolved. Then Minister M. Altynbayev took a principled position, obviously he and NAS were not part of the shareholders. When we arrived at these demo tests, we were surprised at first by the fact that all the characteristics were overestimated by 2 times, then by the fact that the technologies used in this radar were outdated in the 80s! But the funniest thing is that before the flight, the British installed a new boosted amplifier, almost of the same type as our MIU-26 TWT, which had been in service with our troops since the 70s, so they didn't even know how to “gesture” it. I had to show. Then at a press conference, BAE Systems experts said "thanks to your (Kazakhstani) specialists, we got to know our radar even better."
      Thales GM403 is a little newer than what the British showed us in Karaganda, but the technical and operational characteristics are almost the same bad, most of the types of military targets, he simply will not notice. The system of protection against interference and missiles homing on radiation is completely absent. The water cooling system of terminal amplifiers will also cause many problems, especially in the south. Moreover, the technology for manufacturing powerful microwave amplifiers is very unique and expensive. Their average time between failures is about 5 thousand hours, and there are several dozen of them. so it’s easy to figure out what the operating costs will be. The only plus is that Thales sold the GM400 technology to China and they already duplicated the technology completely. I think the Almaty private shop Granit, with its main shareholder and roof Orazbakov, is counting on this, to buy one radar from the French for huge budget money, and then independently arrange their assembly from Chinese components at European prices. Navar will be such that the oil industry never dreamed of.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 3 February 2014 19: 22
        -1
        either I don’t understand whether it’s upsetting you for Kazakhstan, or pulling out certain facts from purchases, you want to convince users with your posts, well, stupid Kazakhs without us darlings can only steal and saw. Judging by a number of comments, it seems like the second, so to speak, glamorous version of the words of our former Kazakhstanis who, leaving at 90, said all the khan to you without us (by the way, how is it with a complaint to the European courts, it seems they wrote that anyway show these lawless mother Kuzkin. How about because they wrote that the family was afraid and you were offended by our bureaucrats and found in Russia, and all this was literally within a couple of weeks and the correct flag was hung on the USSR is not something like the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation). That is why the whole world sits on Western technology and doesn’t worry that it is backward and you don’t have a post so the idea is that their technique is gamble and the Kazakhs are buying this gamut-well stupid and also roguish.
        1. scientist
          scientist 4 February 2014 02: 06
          +1
          Quote: Semurg
          either I don’t understand whether it’s a shame for you in Kazakhstan, or pulling out certain facts from purchases,

          Understand the simple truth, the patriot is not the one who extols his der..mo, but the one who sees problems in his country and does everything to solve them.
          And at the expense of my problems, do not worry about everything that is necessary already in the Supreme Court, and then we'll see.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 4 February 2014 09: 46
            0
            Well, I’m glad for you that you’re fighting it means you weren’t empty when you wrote about protecting your honest name (if you prove it and get the punishment of the guilty, then someone else innocent will not suffer). According to patriotism, "and the smoke of the fatherland is so sweet and pleasant" even if this is a village (this is your own and not a neighbor's), and if there are jambs and you know about it (especially bordering on treason and sabotage), beat all the bells for sure there are connections, but do not write about them here on the site where these matters cannot be solved, but only the opinion of the users of the neighbors is formed that everything is bad with us and that everyone is stupid here (re-read your post about the radar). I would be glad if I made a mistake about you, but your posts so far convince you otherwise, compare your posts with, for example, the posts of Andrey KZ or B Mariman, like you they are Russians and patriots of the Republic of Kazakhstan, your posts are more like the posts of an exorcist, saag, ia-ia and other "patriots of the RK" potential refugees. True, I think there is probably a resentment for a wrong landing (as you think), well, and the flag of the USSR speaks volumes (but this country no longer exists, and who denies it are like children who want to return to a fairy tale-nostalgia).
            1. scientist
              scientist 4 February 2014 19: 51
              +1
              Quote: Semurg
              smoke of the fatherland is so sweet and pleasant
              There is no smoke without fire! This is who you need to be to rejoice that his fatherland at any moment can turn into ashes?
              Quote: Semurg
              beat all the bells probably have connections
              that’s why I started having problems. And I “beat” until I realized that this was not an accident, but a system of thousands like me. All gears in the rigid mechanism of totalitarian rule should spin the same, and this is possible only if all these gears, i.e. officials, stupid and brave. Otherwise, their conscience or torment or they frighten, and therefore they will be broken and spit out.
              Quote: Semurg
              re-read your post about radar
              maybe I didn’t put it clearly enough, but it was Kazakhstani experts who wiped their noses at the businessmen in 2002, when they tried to suck us in for crazy grandmas. Now there are almost no specialists of this level, mainly because it is inconvenient to launder and steal budget money with them. Take and shake the excess. That is why personnel hunger is artificially created among engineering specialties. See for yourself who the Bolashak program is preparing - lawyers, economists, a few PR specialists and more than one technologist or engineer.
              Quote: Semurg
              there must be mixed resentment for improper landing
              You can be offended by a person or even a group. But how can one be offended by the state system or whose homeland he gave his whole life? This must be at least Don Quixote.
              My NIK is a "scientist" not because he is smart, but because life has taught. I think it is clear who learns from their mistakes. And she taught understanding that the most terrible and dangerous people are not killers, thieves and hucksters. And those who imagine themselves true in the last resort, allowing themselves to judge others
              Quote: Semurg
              exorcist, saag, ia-ia and other "patriots of the RK" potential refugees
              . The problem is that self-confident proud women are not distinguished by the presence of intelligence, therefore they often follow the lines of ordinary criminals who palm off on them easily accessible and dosed information. After all, do not think, strain, doubt to search for the truth, just turn on the zombie, open the newspaper and you will put everything in your mouth on a silver platter. How to deal with such, I do not know yet. After all, such people point blank do not want to see their mistakes. But it is they who organize repression, mass executions and genocide. Because their faith in their own infallibility is the same as the madness of a fanatic with a martyr’s belt. No wonder they say that the most terrible sin is pride, it is because of it that the satanic half-truth becomes that "good" from which the road to hell is made!
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 5 February 2014 10: 00
                +1
                read something clear for myself. about the smoke of the fatherland, no one in their right mind will set fire to their home (homeland), unless, of course, he perceives the Republic of Kazakhstan as a homeland, and not as a place of forced residence (like the people I mentioned, nicknames) in this respect there is in Vasilenko he is more honest accepted RK, left and lives in peace with himself. Of course, those who remain have an excuse, but what did this "artificial formation of the Republic of Kazakhstan", as they say, give them or did so that they would treat him well? Out of resentment towards the Motherland, here you are right to be offended at it stupidly, at the expense of the state system, I don’t know if you are part of this system should rotate synchronously (so that the mechanism of the state system works without failures), and if you don’t agree, then for me there are several ways 1) leave the system and how you can limit contacts with it 2) start to fight it with the risk of getting hit in the head (like your case) 3) fight-break it, something like revolution, terrorism, etc. 4) accept the rules of the game-system and be its cog5) take a commanding position in the system and begin to quietly change it without breaking it on the knee (reform-evolution) to a head, so I understand there may be other ways. On the question of who is more dangerous, I do not know everyone has their own point of view, but in fact, in all religions, mortal sins are listed (pride and stupidity so understood a stone in my garden?). In general, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Can pride be counted among good intentions? At the expense of the nickname, we are all scientists, every first one does and learn from our mistakes (a small number of those who learn from other people's mistakes do not sit on this site wink ).
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 1 February 2014 16: 02
    +3
    Belarus, a consistent ally in the dangerous western direction s-300 for money. Kazakhstan is not in the most dangerous direction in terms of air defense, and it’s free to shoot it with yours then ours. Great policy. Old Man is not offended even once.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 1 February 2014 21: 27
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Old Man is not offended even once.

      A cellular connection.
      The cost of a minute of conversation with Belarus is one of the highest. From the CIS countries.
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    3. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 1 February 2014 19: 26
      +6
      Young man go to bed "good night is over"!
    4. PPL
      PPL 1 February 2014 20: 14
      +2
      - To you, Dimastik, an insult has never been an argument in a dispute.
  • ruslan__86
    ruslan__86 1 February 2014 16: 15
    +1
    glad my younger brother remembered both of me
    1. commbatant
      commbatant 1 February 2014 18: 10
      -2
      Quote: ruslan__86
      glad my younger brother remembered both of me


      HE WOULD BE YOUR BEST BROTHER IF IT WOULD BE RUSSIA 5 anti-aircraft missile divisions would transmit, and not vice versa, reconcile with this ...


      I realized that they did the "swara", I leave this topic, one rotten bazaar went
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 1 February 2014 19: 51
        +4
        Quote: commbatant
        I realized that they did the "swara", I leave this topic,
        I understand that he praised himself?
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 1 February 2014 19: 58
          +5
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          I understand that he praised himself?

          No, Andrey, I must say a huge "thank you" to Clegg / Essenger and Onizuka .... they threw it in ... hmm laughing ... fan material ...
          1. FormerMariman
            FormerMariman 1 February 2014 20: 02
            +3
            Among yours, too, enough!
          2. alone
            alone 1 February 2014 22: 07
            +5
            Quote: sergey72
            No, Andrey, I must say a huge "thank you" to Clegg / Essenger with Onizuka .... they threw it ... hmm ... material on the fan ...


            You know, I had to read and discuss relations between Russia and the former republics of the USSR many times. It is always striking that a certain number of members of the forum present look arrogantly and down on representatives of other republics, consider them second-rate people, hang them in their comments labels, call names, often offend. And when they have to answer, it turns out that we are to blame for something else. We accuse the former of everything: In cooperation with the West, in betraying the interests of Russia, in the collapse of the USSR.
            It turns out we destroyed the USSR, and not a Russian hunchback with his gang of traitors, headed by Yakovlev, it turns out we raised EBN on a tank in Moscow and clapped his hands when he shouted from a hangover "take as much sovereignty as you can", it turns out we signed a document on the Belovezhskiy district, which legally formalized the collapse of the USSR, it was we who sawed through the entire defense of the former USSR.

            But this argument did not start with Slegg, but still a comban with his comment
            who will ask you if the threat to his older brother comes from, for example, the PLA of China
            Do you think that if all of us who are from the USSR are on a Russian site and should tolerate such statements?
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 1 February 2014 17: 05
    +4
    Hi People, I'm new here. I live in Omsk between three factories - Baranova, Flight, TsKBA. Who knows what it is about, he will understand. So 5 divisions and I myself and the city are only welcome. Remember
    Drop-Shot, so we passed 6 there. And on the account for free - I doubt very much, not so much as a barter in bucks.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 2 February 2014 07: 44
      +1
      I support Omich! Novosibirsk! drinks
  • commbatant
    commbatant 1 February 2014 17: 20
    0
    Quote: Dimastik
    they didn’t build.


    built - SOVIET PEOPLE, WANTED TO TELL THIS? FROM MAIDAN FOR LUNCH DROPPED SOMETHING?
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  • buzer
    buzer 1 February 2014 18: 01
    +2
    And why from the southern direction can only threaten China, Iran and the Taliban? Take a look at the globe, because you can easily launch missiles from submarines of the Indian Ocean somewhere off the Pakistani shores? You can cover the industry of the Urals, oil of the Volga region and Western Siberia, gas deposits of the Orenburg region, coal of the Kuzbass, Magnitogorsk and even to what the hell. But Muscovites are not afraid, they are unlikely to reach ...
  • mashine
    mashine 1 February 2014 18: 03
    +3
    I would like to reassure a little those who quote the stupid statements of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan at business forums. Let's take it in order - what do we need more: what would a politician speak openly about love for our Motherland, or do we want to restore a large country? Here it is necessary to think on a larger scale, not in terms of someone said, but in the context of the global competition of states / civilizations. Perhaps some brothers from Kazakhstan played with the ideas of independence - they do not understand that they have a rich country, where there was once only 1 candidate in the elections and, accordingly, it automatically falls under the idea of ​​democratization by military means - but not now, after they have dealt with a number of countries , The Russian Federation and others, but still in the long term it has no chances on the world stage - when it will come and its turn to democratize its national wealth. There can be no question of some kind of independent course. If we approach the issue without emotion, then perhaps in 50 years, there will be no more grandchildren left. Such is the scenario. or the second option is to return to the channel of joint development, but on the basis of new principles. You can say whatever you want, but even in the USSR, Kazakhstan retained (and possibly formed) a national elite, writers, governing bodies - all this was under the USSR and there was no need to lie that someone was coy. This is not an East Indian company for you, this is the Russian civilization - it does not suck out of the colonies, but invests in them (if you use words from this terminology), although of course, as a result of living together, one can hardly speak as in the "colony-metropolis" format - most of the infrastructure of the Republic of Kazakhstan was built during the Soviet era. Not a little brother. A relative - let's better do this. And if you listen to the speech on the 2th anniversary of Kazan in the Kazakh language, when everyone (who knows the Tatar language, and the Tatars are a large part of Russia) understood what NN was talking about, it’s probably hard to deny "kinship." Only 1000 big country - everyone will return there, it's only a matter of time. I think the Balts are already fed up with European values. Whatever one may say, but I want to eat. When all factories are closed, the turnover of ports falls by 1% a year, I think the conclusions are obvious. Mother Russia, of course, will cope on her own, but I really want to believe in a bright future, in a Free, Strong, Fair Russia. And in general Russia is eternal. so Kazakhs have nothing to fear while we are alive. if only they don't trample on us, well, I think there are no kamikazes there - the Georgians have already understood this, let the adepts from the Georgians forgive me - this is not about you, but about our common "friend" Saa-i
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 1 February 2014 22: 45
      +4
      Quote: mashine
      I would like to reassure those who cite stupid statements by the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan at business forums.

      If without emotion, in the case of something not clever, NAS said in Turkey? to understand what do not agree with? and then they write here he said and quote his words with which I agree 90% of Kazakhs think, but there is no explanation what the Russians do not agree with. It would be good to discuss and close this question so that it would not be pulled out again and again.
      1. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 2 February 2014 12: 15
        0
        Quote: Semurg
        but there is no explanation what the Russians disagree with

        You have poor eyesight. I already wrote a lot here. Let him say this at the summit of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the Customs Union or the CIS, otherwise he sings praises to us there.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 2 February 2014 12: 50
          +3
          Write him can listen to you laughing . What exactly do you dislike in his words? On points and with explanations if possible? I already wrote that most Kazakhs agree with his words, you don’t, but since neither you nor I can address him directly, we can only discuss our attitude to his speech. And let your president say both to ordinary users from Kazakhstan at the TS-CSTO summit, well, that’s not a lot for adults. It seems to be as accessible and correctly written as possible, I hope that you don’t slip into accusations of Russophobia, but simply try to write what touched the NAS speech in Turkey.
          Quote: marshes
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          “We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, in 1991 we proclaimed our independence

          And what is wrong?

          I repeat the question of the Swamp, what's wrong?
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  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 1 February 2014 19: 06
    +1
    News +

    we will reinforce allies ... it will be interesting to upgrade the SS to PM ... or how is it "repainted" and that's it ?! PS, of course, is still not the most advanced of the 300 series ...
  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 1 February 2014 19: 31
    +2
    Quote: Former Mariman
    1. Those who have served in the Navy do not dare to call themselves a "veteran"! Why are you suddenly a veteran? Have you passed the Second World War? You were "beyond the river." No. Then take the word "veteran" off the nickname. Better put "offended Vlad".
    2 I live in Kazakhstan, Russian, and proud that I live here. By the way, we have been living here since the Stolypin reform. If you learn 20-30 words in Kazakh in the bastard and not learn English in the bastard, then you are a mistake of nature, or rather fate!
    3. It's time to equate runners like you and exortсist (what an ugly nickname) with "martyrs" and declare them half-saints!
    4. Many Russians in Russia yearn for war and incite each other into it, declaring their "readiness" to die for it, judging by the manner of judgment you are not "ON".
    Probably you need one more large-scale war, so that you RADIANCE learned to respect and value each other and others. I immediately warn you to write about bad migrants, Caucasians and Saudis old, in essence, be responsible for yourself and not for all of Russia and the Russian people.

    For the "veteran Vlad" type!
    1. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 1 February 2014 22: 48
      -1
      Quote: Former Mariman
      For the "veteran Vlad" type!

      Well let it be so "type"
      I don't make anyone believe me
    2. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 2 February 2014 00: 01
      -4
      FormerMariman You are not Russian, no need to lie - you are Kazakh by nationality, well, maybe, well, maybe a half-breed mestizo, but this is unlikely. You are Kazakh. Merchant Marine - sailed on ships of the "River-Sea" class
      Why should I learn Kazakh for what? I do not need him. I learn Swedish. I really need it.
      Quote: 2) If you learn 20-30 words in Kazakh in bastard and not learn English in bastard, then you are a mistake of nature, or rather fate!
      3. It's time to equate runners like you and exortсist (what an ugly nickname) with "martyrs" and declare them half-saints!
      4. Many Russians in Russia yearn for war and incite each other into it, declaring their "readiness" to die for it, judging by the manner of judgment you are not "ON".
      Probably you need another large-scale war, so that you RADIANCE learned to respect and value each other and others
      -your philosophical eloquent monologue once again betrays the fact that you are Kazakh by nationality, since only an Eastern person could write in the style of "typical Eastern rhetoric", from here I draw a CONCLUSION You are Kazakh and crafty Kazakh just pretend to be Russian (write that you are Russian)
      1. FormerMariman
        FormerMariman 2 February 2014 07: 42
        +4
        And here you are mistaken! This is probably your path.
        1. In 1991-1993 I served in the village of Liikhanamari KSF 42 brigade PL 877 project "Komsomolets of Chuvashii" BCH-5!
        2. Kazakh father is a Russian mother, German wife, Jewish daughter-in-law, etc.
        3. You really need Swedish, learn, but you don't need to pretend to be a refugee from the RK, there is only "Vasilich" here and other martyrs still live in a fairy tale!
        Renome: Done, donated, donated, it’s not for you to tremble and judge the past and future of other countries! The gut is thin, there are few brains, there are many ambitions!
        1. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 2 February 2014 10: 28
          +1
          [quote = Former Mariman] Kazakh father is a Russian mother [/ quote [quote = Former Mariman] and one does not need to pretend to be a refugee from the Republic of Kazakhstan [/ quote]
          I do not pretend to be a refugee, Kazakh- where I write that I am a refugee?
          Kazakh so hooked you that I wrote about NAZARBAY and that the Russians were driven from the former national republics, and that I wrote the truth?
          There and there he sings praises to all.
          Did I insult the Kazakhs?
          I expressed my dissatisfaction with NARZARABAY.
          1. FormerMariman
            FormerMariman 2 February 2014 10: 58
            +6
            Vlad you tire me! What NAS is singing is politics! After all, VVP hosted Prince Sultan for 2 weeks, whatever it was, the chief of the Saud. intelligence and then angrily declared that he knows where the legs of the terrorist attacks in Volgograd are growing, now he is negotiating military-technical cooperation with England - and in London Umarov calmly promises to arrange a bloody Olympiad. There are a lot of such examples. This POLICY is entirely filled with double, triple standards. You are either naive or do not know how to turn on the back now! Our leaders are one thing we people are another, believe me, I've traveled and seen Russians and Ukrainians and Easterners. and western. and with all responsibility I declare to you that Kazakhs treat Russia very, very well. Nobody chased anyone away: the party sent - the circumstances developed (the Slavic troika unilaterally destroyed the USSR)! Another country, where is the party, where is the promised bright future ?! What remains: home to his homeland in Sverdlovsk, Leningrad, etc. Whoever has roots here as my mother, grandfather, great-grandfather is not going anywhere! Under the program of internally displaced persons in order to obtain his status and as a fact lifting, work, etc. they need to "make one" ie become a "refugee". After all, they are not refugees, understand, we have not a war, not a genocide, how can you be a refugee, and even from Kazakhstan? Nonsense! Lies! You probably read not long ago that a lot of people who have left for Russia do not use this program, for one reason that they do not turn their tongues to obtain refugee status! For example, I want to leave for permanent residence in my wife's homeland in Germany and there is a program for refugees, with all the preferences and benefits, of course I will call myself a refugee. Like Germans are oppressing us there. I hope for an adequate answer!
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 February 2014 11: 30
              0
              Quote: Former Mariman
              and with all responsibility I declare to you that the Kazakhs treat Russia very, very well


              Quotes from the website Altyn OrdaPresidential Foundation development of the state language ”

              bees: 02.02.14/XNUMX/XNUMX
              Where are the Russians there and problems. No Russians, no problems. For the past hundred years, the main problems of Central Asia were due to Russians.


              jazz: 31.01.14/XNUMX/XNUMX
              The author is right. But only he did not surprise anyone with this. The fact that even a Mexican child now knows slavish consciousness among Russians ... ... ..


              Anonymous author: 01.02.14/XNUMX/XNUMX
              Russians need to keep their snouts in their trough. And do not meddle in other people's plates.


              "zasrashka", "srusskie", "Russian pig-breeder", "halopy", though friendly treatment

              but such pictures are published by a site published with the support of the presidential fund
              http://www.altyn-orda.kz/serik-maleev-za-chto-nas-ne-lyubit-tovarishh-vasilenko-

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              1. FormerMariman
                FormerMariman 2 February 2014 11: 41
                +3
                Quote: Former Mariman
                1.I understand you agree with everything else ?! Why am I asking if you should know what to write in the questionnaire for obtaining the status of "REFUGEE"! Can you teach others?
                2. Eco, how did you pick up about the bad Kazakhs, in your case you did not have to go far, admire:
                Quote: Dimastik
                "As Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov specified, Russia will supply Kazakhstan with five divisions of the S-300PS anti-aircraft missile system free of charge."

                Giving modern weapons to a bitch !? Better let them buy it. Still suck chur * ki. And Baikonur should not be given to them, even partially - they were not built.
            2. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 2 February 2014 12: 32
              0
              Quote: Former Mariman
              You are either naive or do not know how to turn on the back now!
              this statement of yours emphasizes once again that you are an oriental person
              you are very arrogant - I did not turn on the back and I’m not going to, where did you get this from
              1. FormerMariman
                FormerMariman 2 February 2014 13: 46
                +3
                Ok Vlad forgot! Do not be ill.
  • supertiger21
    supertiger21 1 February 2014 20: 07
    0
    We are doing well that we are selling to fraternal countries. The main thing is that the S-300 does not end up in the United States for the second time.
    1. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 1 February 2014 20: 13
      +2
      The main thing is that they would not fall on us like protons!
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 1 February 2014 20: 23
      +2
      C-300PS is an ancient modification that states have long known as flaky.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 2 February 2014 10: 15
        0
        Quote: Zymran
        -300PS is an ancient modification that states have long known as flaky.

        and as they say, "teeth do not look to a gift horse .. wink
  • Shatt
    Shatt 2 February 2014 01: 00
    0
    Quote: faser
    Suddenly, friends from NATO will have to fight back, they still have a base in Agan
    at least 9 ov bases in Afghanistan
  • Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 2 February 2014 07: 41
    +2
    The West of Siberia must also be covered. good
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 February 2014 10: 14
    +1
    Quote: Zymran
    C-300PS is an ancient modification that states have long known as flaky.

    Maybe they know .. But when they wanted to deliver Iran and screeched in Syria all over the world .. they know very well that they are afraid to feel it on themselves.)))
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 2 February 2014 13: 32
      +1
      They didn’t want to deliver to Iran PS, but PMU like. But it is not as well studied as PS.