On the office of the Rain hoisted the Victory Banner!

On the day of the 70 anniversary of the lifting of the blockade of Leningrad, a huge red Victory Banner appeared above the building of the former factory Red October, and now the hipster stronghold of Digital Oktober.

The thing is that this room is the studio of the TV channel "Rain", whose employees allowed themselves a disgusting provocation: launching a survey of the audience that surrendering the enemy of Leningrad could supposedly save hundreds of thousands of lives.

Such a disgusting act, blasphemous against a million dead and millions of survivors during the defense against the fascist army of the city, could not be accompanied only with reproaches in the network. Therefore, a group of patriots, climbing onto the roof of the building in which the provocateurs are located, spread the banner known to the whole world. The banner of our victory, which we will not allow anyone to dirty.

The guys dressed in the form of soldiers of the Great Patriotic War, waving two more flags of a slightly smaller format. And let the rainers know that for vile speculations with glorious history Fatherland, there is always someone to ask.

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[Gardamir]

Everything is right! This is our country! Our traditions!

[Sid.74]

Anyway expensive! We still need the US Embassy to bring the 1945 spring to the Reichstag state and hoist the red flag over it!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Sid.74

It is still necessary to bring the US embassy to the state of the Reichstag in the spring of 1945

Why an embassy, ​​not a white house? there the banner will look much brighter
Although without us, soon it will be like this

[Bronis]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Why an embassy, ​​not a white house? there the banner will look much brighter
Although without us, soon it will be like this

Or maybe now. Barack HUSSEIN Obama is sitting there. He had a papa, not a strong Christian, like.

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Sid.74! It is still necessary to bring the US embassy to the state of the Reichstag in the spring of 1945. Why the embassy, ​​and not the white house? there the banner will look much brighter

[Sid.74]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Why an embassy, ​​not a white house? there the banner will look much brighter

Could be so

[brownie]

And give the medals to the peasants!

[DMB-78]

Quote: little house

And give the medals to the peasants!

While the Russian soldier
There are bullets, matches, moonshine
Suck the hell out of NATO sodata
Trembling with fear. Pentagon.

A soldier thumped, a tear rolled
The trophy saxophone wheezed.
And on his chest glowed ....
Medal, taken by Washington!

Then the soldier popped into Las Vegas,
I lost the medal in roulette,
The tear still rolled
The soldier still thumped.

Let's give everyone medals -
For Washington - who was "taken" ...
And we’ll listen to the saxophone,
And drink Russian moonshine.

Then we'll drive to Beijing
The soldier will not drink alone.
You will drink with him, and you and I -
We are all sons of Russia.

[Criceta]

Oh, the patriotic fantasies raced. That's just, unfortunately, in life everything is exactly the opposite. Instead of the capitol, the Kremlin, and the American banner ...

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: Сriceta

Fantasy p. Patriotic. That's just, unfortunately, in life everything is exactly the opposite. Instead of the capitol, the Kremlin, and the American banner ...

it looks like we don’t have fantasies ...

you tie with mushrooms, it’s harmful ...

[domokl]

So, the people expressed their opinion .. It is probably time for the authorities to say something ... Such things should not be let go on the brakes ... This is a spit personally in every citizen of the Russian Federation. We all have relatives who fought in the Second World War, who didn’t came back home.
It is impossible to be liberal in such matters. The studio must pay a huge fine and be closed for insulting the people of Russia, and other former peoples of the USSR.

[31231]

So, the people expressed their opinion .. It's probably time for the authorities to say something ...

And you don’t know that the two satellite TV realtors TV refused the Rain? Another Tricolor gave 30 days to explain.
We do not have Ukraine, where the Poroshenko mass media publish what they want. For inadequacy immediately clamped by various methods.

[atalef]

Quote: domokl

The studio must pay a huge fine and be closed for insulting the people of Russia, and other former peoples of the USSR.

Of course, by court order.

Quote: 31231

And you don’t know that the two satellite TV realtors TV refused the Rain? Another Tricolor gave 30 days to explain.

I do not support the statement of Rain - in general, the channel is left. delusional and it seems to me (my personal opinion is frankly stupid) Some kind of cheap provocation is stupid, just stupid - especially on such a day, but
I want to say something else.
There are two organizations - the Court and the TV and Radio Broadcasting Committee.
As I understand it, there is no corpus delicti (according to the prosecutor’s statement).
Then the committee on TV and radio broadcasting can apply sanctions to the channel, but it is silent too.
Then a very simple question - who are these realtors - what would disable the channel?
in any state where zn of these realtors is performed malomalski, in court they would not only be forced to reconnect. but to pay compensation
no one should take the law into their own hands. for this there are instances and commissions established for this.
Here the conversation is not about Rain and their moronic poll, a conversation about that. that someone . only on the basis of his personal feelings and impressions can he block another oxygen.

Quote: 31231

For inadequacy immediately clamped by various methods.

I don’t know what to say about this. the adequacy is so different, are not afraid. that you for someone may not be adequate?
There is a law, there is a court - this should be at the head of everything.

[builder74]

How much can you watch how the media spit in the face of everyone who cherishes the country ?! Veterans, children of dead soldiers?! The impression is that the vast majority of journalists graduated from sabotage schools. I hope that everything will change for the better. If you don’t love the Motherland, you are ashamed of our history - go ahead!

[vlrosch]

There is a simple thing with the help of which you can do anything with the tenants of the channel is a contract and, accordingly, failure to fulfill one of the clauses of the contract entails a shutdown. So, no court is needed here, just like the committee on TV and radio broadcasting.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: atalef

Then a very simple question - who are these realtors - what would disable the channel?

Never had to see an ad = This is a private institution and you may be denied service without explanation?

[Patriot.ru.]

All right is the law of the court. And conscience.

[31231]

Then the committee on TV and radio broadcasting can apply sanctions to the channel, but it is silent too.
Then a very simple question - who are these realtors - what would disable the channel?

Satellite TV operators Tricolor TV, NTV +.
Firstly, they stop broadcasting completely by law. Simply put, they terminate their contractual relationship with Rain. Wanted to stop and that's it! What's so illegal?

I don’t know what to say about this. the adequacy is so different, are not afraid. that you for someone may not be adequate?
There is a law, there is a court - this should be at the head of everything.

Dear, what mountain did you get down from?
Everything is done under the law. Satellite TV operators wanted not to broadcast Rain, what did they break the law in? They probably have a contractual relationship with Rain, and there is a point for breaking the contract. All! No questions asked. I will be glad if local repeaters remove it from the grid too. And they will not break the law, for we have capitalism and contractual relations.
I want to not watch Rain, what will I break the law?

[atalef]

Quote: 31231

Simply put, they terminate their contractual relationship with Rain. Wanted to stop and that's it! What's so illegal?

Yes, there is no problem how any provider can terminate the contract without explanation - compensation is paid-- and that’s it.

Quote: 31231

and there is a contract break point. All! No questions asked. I will be glad if local repeaters remove it from the grid too. And they will not break the law, for we have capitalism and contractual relations

Of course, if there is a clause on the termination of the contract without explaining the reasons (and there is 100% of it) - you just as the party violating the contract will pay all the losses of the second party related to this - I do not think that the providers have a desire to pay for it

Quote: 31231

I want to not watch Rain, what will I break the law?

This is the only effective solution within the framework of the law, you, as a consumer, consider something. what you pay for does not meet your moral criteria (you and thousands of other consumers) disconnect and the channel dies itself - you yourself have the right to decide what to listen to and what it is. No one has the right to decide. what do you listen to. and what not. This is a fine line, it cannot be crossed. If statements and programs do not violate the letter of the law, then no one can block the broadcast without compensation. You yourself as a consumer - of course, you can disconnect.
This is my position.

"I may not agree with your opinion, but I am ready to give my life for your right to express it." Voltaire said that. XVIII century.]

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[Charley]

Well, your position is understandable. She is purely Jewish at the head of the corner only.

[JIaIIoTb]

Quote: atalef

Yes, there is no problem how any provider can terminate the contract without explanation - compensation is paid-- and that’s it.

In addition to breaking the contract, we can also give in the face.
Not everything is measured by money.
Although THIS you do not understand.

[31231]

Of course, if there is a clause on the termination of the contract without explaining the reasons (and there is 100% of it) - you just as the party violating the contract will pay all the losses of the second party related to this - I do not think that the providers have a desire to pay for it

Already interrupted broadcasting. You read that contract that you speak about condensation? Or is it Jewish for you, to demand compensation for everything?
Who is Rain and compared to NTV + ?! Feel the difference? In a bonded contract, it’s definitely not NTV +.

[yur]

In some ways you are right, BUT ... They want to be "independent" - yes to their health, only again with their own money. And if the channel exists on my and my fellow citizens' money (our taxes and the money of the STATE Gazprom), then if you please express the opinion of the absolute majority of society, and not your own nonsense. And as for realtors, they turn off the channel not for ideology, but for violation of the contract (well, they suddenly found something there, after all, dear, there are also not weak lawyers sitting there).

[takto.onotak]

Everything is true and the more legitimate the reaction, the harder and harder the answer will be ...

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: atalef

Then a very simple question - who are these realtors - what would disable the channel?

oh, everything is very simple ...
channel - cable, respectively cable networks that relay it can break the broadcast agreement with him ...
they want to broadcast further is not a question, let their satellites launch into space ...

[VADEL]

Quote: atalef

There is a law, there is a court - this should be at the head of everything.

“Who are the judges?” - Griboyedov.
Jesus was also judged. What is the outcome?

[Charley]

That’s the abomination of the situation that they didn’t seem to violate the laws, but they offended people a lot, and this is not the first time that is why they continue to feel their impunity in your opinion?

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: Charlie

do you think they’d continue?

I think it’s worth adopting the corresponding law ...

[Foxmara]

So I think that power is not related to blackouts. Moreover, they have already begun to include back. On my network, they turned off literally for a day.

And /// thus raised the rating. Think for whom it was done?

[O_RUS]

Quote: domokl

So, the people expressed their opinion .. It's probably time for the authorities to say something ..

The authorities will say ... probably. Indeed, Vladimir Putin, Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky, Deputy Speaker of the State Duma Sergei Zheleznyak, and Presidential Representative in the Southern Federal District Vladimir Ustinov attended the meetings in Krasnodar on moral and patriotic education. The meeting party is the Governor of the Krasnodar Territory Alexander Tkachev, cultural, science and sports figures, representatives of historical societies, search teams and volunteer movements, Cossacks and religious denominations.

one of the theses - "It is impossible to create a healthy society, a prosperous country, guided by the principle" everyone is for himself ", following the primitive instincts of intolerance, selfishness and dependency."

“We must build our future on a solid foundation. And such a foundation is patriotism. No matter how long we discuss what can be a foundation, a solid moral foundation for our country, we still can't think of anything else. This is respect for our history and traditions, spiritual values ​​of our peoples, our thousand-year-old culture and the unique experience of the coexistence of hundreds of peoples and languages ​​on the territory of Russia. (...) We need to make full use of the best experience of upbringing and enlightenment, which was in the Russian Empire and in the Soviet Union . "
http://www.odnako.org

[tomcat117]

Continuing the theme! Whose interests are served by gentlemen from the "rain" is a response from CNN, which called the monument to the defenders of the Brest Fortress "ugly". It is immediately evident that "rain" is Dadi Sam's pocket office. They are enraged by everything we have, they insert wedges, bring up such "our" domestic freaks who do not remember their kinship, ready to sell their mother for 33 pieces of silver. Serves them right !!!

[crbvbyjr]

so for sure. the Yankees play with political correctness.

[Stalnov I.P.]

In general, it’s time to hoist this banner again in Berlin, in Paris, in London, it would look very nice, I don’t say about the eastern countries of Europe and the Baltic states, we went there well, but I think it’s not enough, we need to remind. Let them know and are afraid that our RED Banner can appear everywhere, such WE are !!!

[Bronis]

Now it is up to the authorities and broadcasters to take the official position in relation to Dozhd. Unfortunately, often the hype passes and everything remains as it is. A general censure plus termination of cable contracts would be correct.
This is not to say that this is some really significant channel. It is for a specific target, so to speak, audience. However, I still do not believe in the real consequences for the channel. They love us in half measures. That would have covered this disgrace. No broadcasting agreements - no money. everything...
And further. it would be worthwhile to criminalize the denial of Victory in the future, by analogy with the Holocaust denial in some countries

[Andrey57]

"NTV +" has already cut off the broadcasting of these u.r.o.d.o.v! The process has started

[does it]

Quote: Andrey57

"NTV +" has already cut off the broadcasting of these u.r.o.d.o.v! The process has started

They have "geographic restrictions" so I watch TV in Ukraine via satellites; Sirius, move byrd and amos benefit of a plate with an engine.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Bronis

Now it is up to the authorities and broadcasters to take the official position in relation to Dozhd.

"Prosecutors do not see signs of extremism in the actions of the Dozhd TV channel, so it will not face closure, a source in the Russian Prosecutor General’s Office told Interfax on Friday."Rambler
That's it.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: There was a mammoth

"Prosecutors do not see signs of extremism in the actions of the Dozhd TV channel, so it does not face closure," a source in the Russian Prosecutor General's Office told Interfax on Friday. Rambler
That's it.

and with what actually you do not agree?

yes, this is a disgusting trick of stupid and uneducated people who are not burdened with moral standards ...

however, they didn’t do anything illegal ... yet ...

[Ivan.]

Quote: DanaF1

however, they didn’t do anything illegal ... yet ...

This is how to look, obvious attempts to revise the results of World War II, in order to revise something, it must be brought into doubt. I don’t know if there are laws on this subject, in theory they should be, but they won’t be implemented until the chubysks are near and or in power.

[Alex 241]

The State Duma may consider a law on criminal liability for attempts to review the results of the Great Patriotic War

Deputy Speaker of the State Duma Sergei Zheleznyak said that it is necessary to return to the consideration of the bill on the introduction of criminal liability "for the rehabilitation of Nazism, justification of fascism and attempts to revise the results of the Second World War." He clarified that we are talking about the statements of representatives of the non-systemic opposition, who "say that they hate parades, they believe that the St. George's ribbon is a fetish, that it is not known which would be better for our country: the victory of our people or the victory of Hitler. They believe that they have the right to question our victory in the Great Patriotic War. "

According to Zheleznyak, the words "Patriots, burn in hell with your parades. If you need a great country, lie down under the tanks" putting their authors "outside the legal field." "I think they should be punished without fail," said the Deputy Speaker of the State Duma and clarified that all materials will be transferred to law enforcement agencies for further investigation

[Combitor]

Quote: Alex 241

The State Duma may consider a law on criminal liability for attempts to review the results of the Great Patriotic War

The law is right.
But the spoken or written word sometimes acts stronger than the law. The stone thrown by "Rain" raised a big wave. I began to express my opinion on this topic on the Novaya Gazeta website. And I would like to cite a few comments received in response, by which one can judge the results of an innocent, according to the defenders of "Dozhd" poll. Sorry for the format. Spelling, stylistics, etc. saved:
<Nikolay Pavlov, 01 February 2014 at 16:28
"Dozhd" did not claim that Leningrad had to be surrendered, it simply asked the TV viewers a question. Specifically for you. This question is in the history textbook for the 9th grade, approved by the ministry in 2012>.
<olegsimple_, 01 February 2014 at 18:30
I am not a historian, but I was interested in questions of the blockade.
The first question was household. Why do not beat drunk Finns in St. Petersburg, they also participated in the blockade?
Second, the blockade was not in the direct sense of the word. If you argue on the verge of common sense :))), then a state that is able to move a tank factory over 3 thousand kilometers during the war and start production almost immediately, is it unable to provide the city with food?
There was no desire.
They lifted the blockade. The Germans themselves left for strategic reasons>.
<Pavel Shumkin, 31 January 2014 at 20:18
..I sunk into the memory of a reproduction of a painting (I don't remember the author), which depicts the leader bending over a military map .. he has a pipe in his hand .. from which ashes are poured onto the map .. and the leader with his hand in his tunic brushes it off her. and if you take a closer look at this ash ... you realize that these are human skulls>.
<Vladimir Khanykov, 01 February 2014 at 00:59
The fact is that one totalitarian state overwhelmed another of the same. We won the Second World War, but lost 2 MB.
2 MV were won by America and Zap. Europe, and we stayed in the Bolshevik shit, where we sit to this day>.

[Alex 241]

Namesake, how many we have been discussing this topic, but in my head one thought, those who voted for the surrender of the city, subconsciously projected the situation onto themselves, to save their own "skin" at any cost. Unfortunately, now this is a common point of view. The only thing that warms up when I see young people on May 9!

[Combitor]

Quote: Alex 241

The only thing that warms when I see young people on May 9th!

Only here for our youth came up with the know-how in the study of the military history of our state:
<The story of the First World War will be presented in comics.
In the summer of 2014, on the eve of the 100th anniversary of the outbreak of the First World War, an illustrated historical atlas dedicated to the exploit of a Russian soldier is planned in the capital. Each graphic novel will be drawn in the comic book genre. The idea of ​​such an unusual attraction of youth to history belongs to the staff of the Center for Patriotic Education of the University of Synergy.
The project unites both professional comic artists and lovers of military history (Khikhus, A. Malov-Gra).
According to Mikhail Kudinov, director of the Center for Patriotic Education of the University of Synergy, the atlas will be illustrated with comics that will be selected according to the results of the international competition among artists working in this direction.
... We want to show the history of the Great War with a human face, the characters of which will be understandable and real, ”M. Kudinov explained.
“Today, the comic book genre is popular in many countries and is used as a separate element for education. In Russia this is a rather undeveloped area, we use comics only as entertaining materials, while young people could learn and learn interesting facts from comics that are closer to them in spirit, ”said Mikhail Lazarenko, head of copywriting at Synergy University ".
As conceived by the organizers, the book will be presented in Russian colleges and posted in the public domain on the Internet> .PEDSOVET.ORG. 20.01.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX
Like this. Russia is a backward and undeveloped country. We do not present the history of the most terrible wars in the history of mankind to our children in the form of funny comics.
I wonder how the gas attacks and panting soldiers will be portrayed in the comics. Or the creators of the collection delicately bypass this topic, as if there were no such attacks?
And then, next in line are comics about the Great Patriotic War? The atrocities of the Nazis in relation to prisoners and civilians will also be in these pictures?
Any war, no matter who started and against whom it is waged, is first of all a great tragedy of the peoples participating in it. How can tragedy be portrayed in comics?
And what kind of war with a "human face" (according to M. Kudinov) can we talk about? War has no face at all. The war doesn't even have a head. Instead, a naked skull with empty eye sockets.
If these "comics" are used to educate our children, have you already received "approvals" from Livanov's department?
So, not only "Rain" makes its own "contribution", but also something more serious.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: Ivan.

I don’t know if there are laws on this subject, in theory there should be,

Unfortunately, there is no law yet ...
if there was - then there would be no questions ...

[Kushadasov]

The red bag for the US is a terrible dream, it’s like incense for the devil. The idea to hang a flag over the embassy is very good)))))))

[jjj]

Well done! And the pictures are impressive. Our society has finally learned how to respond subtly and competently.

[Sid.74]

S-200 are you crazy? Such a heresy to write, all the inhabitants of Stalingrad, Leningrad and Moscow were prepared by the Nazis death!
If Stalin had passed the Leningrad and Stalingrad fascists would have nothing stopped!

[BARKAS]

In the environs and suburbs in which the Germans were, the mortality of the civilian population was much higher than even in Leningrad itself!

[tungus]

Quote: S-200

BUT to comprehend the appropriateness of such victims of the Stalinist leadership is NECESSARY!
Who of you ... would share a starvation with the blockades in Leningrad ?!

Is it better to die a starvation in a concentration camp? Where would surrendered residents of Leningrad be sent? To the resort?
And further. In concentration camps, they did not die because Stalin did not transfer funds for the maintenance of prisoners. But because the Germans did not consider the Russians to be people. Have you ever read the OST plan? No? It is felt.

The Ost plan provided for the physical destruction of up to 30 million people. population and the eviction (and practically also destruction) of over 50 million Belarusians, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, etc. to Western Siberia, the North Caucasus, South America and Africa (up to 85% of the population of Poland, 65% - Western Ukraine , 75% - Belarus, a significant part of the population of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia). The "liberated" territories were to be populated by Germans (about 10 million), and the population remaining on them was subject to Germanization. The Russians were to be defeated as a people.

Well, what would happen to those surrendered residents of Leningrad? I'm not talking about the fact that the city that did not surrender restrained significant enemy forces. The city fought and finally won. And following your logic, there was no need to fight. Should have given up. And move to Africa all together. So maybe you alone will move there?

[does it]

Quote: tungus

because the Germans did not consider Russian people.

Because they were ordered from Hitler to treat the Russians like cattle.

[domokl]

Quote: S-200

Leningrad needed to be RENTED!

It’s your happiness that we are not in a combat situation ... I would have shot it without thinking personally .. Like a traitor and a coward.

[series]

Quote: domokl

It’s your happiness that we are not in a combat situation ... I would have shot it without thinking personally .. Like a traitor and a coward.

What a pathetic, Field Marshal!
Stalin was ready to surrender Moscow, for that matter ...

[Sid.74]

S-200 Ephemeral you are a man! Write what comes into your head, even if you think at first about whether the Leningraders wanted it!
Moscow was ready to pass? And why didn’t they pass it to the Nazis near Moscow? They reached Khimki! Under Volokolamsk, there were battles near the village of Dubosekovo!

See how they wanted to surrender !!!! After the battle in the suburbs. This is the position of the German troops !!!

[smersh70]

Quote: Sid.74

After the battle in the suburbs. These are the positions of the German troops !!!

All the same, if you look at the machine guns, then this is definitely not the German troops. Probably all the same, Italians near Stalingrad.

[Sid.74]

This machine guns ZB vz. 26 Czech production, armed with the Wehrmacht. And this is the Moscow region.

[smile]

Sid.74
I confirm ... Hitler's combat units of the Wehrmacht were armed with Czech weapons. Czechoslovakia, nevertheless, was the leading exporter of weapons and military equipment in Europe. In the same way as our units armed themselves with the Lewis. For some reason, especially for some reason, SS units were often armed with such "substandard" weapons ... do you remember the SS Division "Death's Head"? ... read memoirs, and quite honest, one of its members ... a non-commissioned officer - a Frenchman from the Rhineland - by the summer of 42 his regiment, which participated in the destruction of the 2nd shock army, had a hundred people left ... according to him, when his battalion was changed, in which 38 people remained ... without a single officer, the commander-in-chief asked the lousy ragged gang (SS battalion) - hey, what is this platoon? So, this sssdog had no illusions that they were defeating everyone there ... well, what kind of victory could we talk about if the Russians, being in inhuman conditions, were able to actually destroy his unit? ... I repeat , this is written by a seasoned SS, who at the age of 16 in 38 was recruited into the service .... who have been brainwashed, so this ... but no .... by the way. his battalion in this form turned out to be a second time ... the first time there were a little more of them in the battalion - 40 - in the winter from 41 to 42 ... and in the battalion they have a little more l / s than we have ...: )))) Like this ... this is a note to those who believe that we fought with meat .... :)))

[Corsair]

Quote: smile

Just like our units were armed with the Lewis.

Greetings!
I will try to make my own tiny contribution to the "mosaic".
In the most difficult days of the capital’s defense, according to the militias, they were given Mosin rifles of a more royal style and ... Polish grenades.
So in the matter of arming the troops, all methods were good, not to scrupulousness.

Medieval peepers would be effective, and they would be pulled out of museums.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: smile

..this is for those who think that we fought with meat .... :)))

Volodya That is to those who consider them and d and of t and m and They fought to the last and this cannot be taken from them It was an enemy who stood to death And there were no uninvolved or non-participating -There the whole nation stood for its ideals Well, the losses there were appropriate Only the calculation is still so profitable you know who

[smile]

smersh70
You may be mistaken. Or do you think that German tank divisions armed with T38, T35 tanks were not German but Czech? Not a fact, in general.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: smile

Not a fact, in general.

pulled on liberalism? Hi Toothy I'm still alive

[smile]

Ruslan67
Great, clawed!
Fuck off - I'm playing objectivity here, and you get in with your revelations ..... :)))) Have a conscience! :))) And about "alive" - ​​so, aphids, regardless of our age, hell knows who will be the last to leave. :))) I don't pretend .... :)))
Although ... my grandmother, who previously criticized me for my, in her opinion, too active personal life, recently told me, here is my wife for the last time, and I will die peacefully (she is 90 in April) .... to which I she was told - grandmother, apparently, you will live forever! :)))

[Ruslan67]

Quote: smile

Go away - I'm playing objectivity here

Play up Your mother into a mockery

Quote: smile

regardless of our age, hell knows who will be the last to leave. :)

Quote: smile

regardless of our age, hell knows who will be the last to leave. :)

I don't want to catch a cold at your funeral

Quote: smile

you will live forever! :)))

And then!

[smile]

Ruslan67
Okay, I persuaded .... I will glue the flippers exclusively in the summer .... so that you do not catch a cold! :)))) How I get ready - I will notify you! :))) And, aphid, if you are not there, I will rise and begin to stagger around the site with howls - where, they say, Ruslan, so over, then he didn’t stand in line, which will produce a volley! :))) ... and my grandmother will chase after me with a towel (to give an item on the upper part of the body) - they say, zas..ts, where is the new wife? :)))
Horror ... with you and die quietly down .... :)))) Hvashists ..... as my grandfather said! :))) Nothing holy! :)))

[Ruslan67]

Quote: smile

Horror ... with you and die quietly down .... :)))) Hvashists ..... as my grandfather said! :))) Nothing holy! :)))

and who is easy now? Did you look at the towers of the Castle, or will you die a birdman? All the same, Sidney Pollack is worthy of viewing by the Russian Patriot

[smile]

Ruslan67
Ruslan ... I drove the film into the memorial - what I MUST watch and read ... but I haven’t been honored yet ... therefore, while I’m a vocational school ...: (((For the life of me! ... the last film I I looked even before the new year ... Although not ... kill me ... not yet ... in the end - "Towers" - I didn't look, here! :))))

[Ruslan67]

Quote: smile

.. kill me now ... bye ..

I agree yet

Quote: smile

..so while I'm a vocational school student.

Well, Juliozhe are you Iglesias

Quote: smile

I drove the film to the commemorative - that I MUST watch and read ..

But how can you make your own lem into the soft stuff of mythical Norwegian creatures ... well, in the sense of a solid thought?

[smile]

Ruslan67
Okay, okay .... I'm not entot ... not Iglesias ... I'm Private Hu .... Jan, almost Carlos .... :)))) I swore to myself - tomorrow night I will be enlightened .... .you understand, with a book, it’s harder - not earlier than in a week .... although with my reading speed - cruising - 60 pages per hour - I watch some films not much faster than reading a book. Enough I am going to sleep! :)))

[Ruslan67]

Quote: smile

Enough I am going to sleep! :

I also

[Corsair]

Quote: smile

My grandmother, who previously criticized me for my, in her opinion, too active personal life, recently told me, here’s your wife’s last time, and I’ll die peacefully

And IT is necessary for you ???
People say that the FIRST wife is given by God, the Second people, and the THIRD ... HECK

[smile]

Corsair
Yes, the jester knows him ... it seems to me and without any stamps in different places ... but all the relatives literally gobble up :))) And earlier they were very unhappy with my "habit of getting married" :))) So please them :)))

[Corsair]

Quote: smile

) Here and please them :)))

Life is such a thing, without compromise anywhere ...

[domokl]

Do not talk nonsense ... Read the source, not the comments

Quote: S-200

Stalin was ready to surrender Moscow, for that matter ..

And do not try to give the impression of a historically literate person ... Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad were not so much strategic defense centers (as a military man would say, it was stupid to defend them), but moral, political ...
And about the pathos, I just said how I would act. Those who have been here for a long time know that they would do just that ... I have no tendency to posturing ..

[brownie]

Stalin was ready to surrender Moscow, for that matter ...

And you ask what you asked and what did Stalin advise the generals who suggested moving the Communist Party to the eastern outskirts of Moscow.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: little house

And you ask what you asked and what did Stalin advise the generals who suggested moving the Communist Party to the eastern outskirts of Moscow.

we, in the east of Moscow, there were almost fighting at that moment ...
volunteers gathered to defend the city near the Izmailovsky Park station, now Partizanskaya

[Dart2027]

One of those days at Stavka I witnessed a very significant conversation that clearly shows the role of Stalin in the battle for Moscow, as opposed to Khrushchev's vicious statements about the low importance of the Supreme Commander during the war.
There was a discussion of further combat employment of the division. There was a phone call. Stalin, without rushing, went to the apparatus and picked up the phone. During the conversation, he never held the phone close to his ear, but kept it at a distance, since the sound volume in the device was amplified. A person nearby could easily hear the conversation. The corps commissar Stepanov called - a member of the Air Force Military Council. He lived for Stalin, which is located in Perkhushkovo (here, a little west of Moscow, was the headquarters of the Western Front).
“Well, how are you doing there?” asked Stalin.
- The command raises the question that the front headquarters are very close to the front line of defense. It is necessary to withdraw the front headquarters east of Moscow, and organize the KP on the eastern outskirts of Moscow!
Quite a long silence reigned ...
- Comrade Stepanov, ask comrades - do they have shovels? - Stalin asked calmly.
“Now ...” a long pause followed again: “What shovels, Comrade Stalin?”
“Anyway.”
“Now ...” Stepanov reported rather quickly: “There are shovels, comrade Stalin!”
“Tell your comrades, let them take shovels and dig graves for themselves.” The front headquarters will remain in Perkhushkovo, and I will remain in Moscow. Bye.
Slowly, Stalin hung up. He didn’t even ask which comrades who exactly posed these questions. Stalin continued the interrupted conversation. The episode is very brief, and it is unlikely to require further explanation.
(Golovanov A. E., "Long-range bomber ... Memoirs of the Chief Marshal of Aviation 1941-1945")

"Every ass can kick a dead lion"
(eastern proverb)

[Victor-M]

Quote: S-200

Quote: domokl

It’s your happiness that we are not in a combat situation ... I would have shot it without thinking personally .. Like a traitor and a coward.

What a pathetic, Field Marshal!
Stalin was ready to surrender Moscow, for that matter ...

Morally you are already a load of 200, your nickname is proof of this.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: S-200

What a pathetic, Field Marshal!

you'd better answer for your ignorance of history ...

[does it]

Quote: domokl

It’s your happiness that we are not in a combat situation ... I would have shot it without thinking personally .. Like a traitor and a coward.

What is it like ? sending to the "eternal ban" or on the reconstruction of battles.

[aviator65]

Quote: S-200

Leningrad needed to be RENTED!

Yeah. And Moscow at the same time. And generally capitulate on the second day of the war. And what if not a manifestation of "humanism" would have been on the part of the Stalinist leadership? Millions of lives would have been saved ... for subsequent destruction and enslavement by the fascist beast. By the way, Babi Yar, it seems, was in Kiev left by the enemy? Where would you and I be now and would be in general, were it not for these "inappropriate" victims?
It seems that many have an attitude to the past war, as to some kind of computer strategy.

Quote: S-200

How to surrender - Kiev and Kharkov ... and then - RELEASED!

So easy!

[series]

Quote: aviator65

Yeah. And Moscow at the same time

You inattentively read the history of WWII, even in the Soviet edition ...
Stalin was ready not only to surrender Moscow, everything was ready for his move to Kuybyshev (Samara), but to retreat to the Urals ..
Main Department of Cartography of the General Staff Kr. Army urgently prepared maps "kilometer" for the tactical link of the Red Army

[domokl]

Quote: S-200

Main Department of Cartography of the General Staff Kr. Army urgently prepared maps "kilometer" for the tactical link of the Red Army

And here you are distorting ... About maps, today there are maps of almost anywhere in the country and possible theater of operations.
Stalin was not preparing to move ... He perfectly understood his importance ... But to risk the governing bodies of the country and its General Staff was really stupid.
It’s not clear why you still don’t read the sources? Now there are a lot of open materials declassified. Why you refer to historians. Any textbook is nothing more than a personal look at the historical events of a particular historian or group.

[Bigriver]

Quote: S-200

... Stalin was not only ready to surrender Moscow, everything was ready for his move to Kuybyshev (Samara), BUT and retreat to the Urals ..
Main Department of Cartography of the General Staff Kr. Army urgently prepared maps "kilometer" for the tactical link of the Red Army

Evacuation plans for industrial enterprises in the west of the country were developed BEFORE the war. From this it follows that Stalin was preparing for the surrender of Belarus and Ukraine?
You are monstrous nonsense!
There, upstairs, you said "... We surrendered, like Kiev and Kharkov."
Firstly, they fought for Kiev and Kharkov. In the first case, there was a boiler, in the second - it was not. But these two cities weigh LESS than Leningrad. In any dimension: military, economic or political.
Still.

SPEECHES ON ADVANCED
Meetings of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) (end of May 1941)
Says Zhukov:
An important problem is the construction of fortified borders along the state border, and the condition of highways and dirt roads. The construction of new fortified areas on the western border began in early 1940. To date, it has been possible to build 2500 reinforced concrete structures, of which 1000 are armed with URovskoy artillery, and the remaining 1500 with only machine guns. The construction of fortified areas is not completed, and on this side, the new border is extremely vulnerable. In this regard, I consider it my duty to declare that the disarmament of the fortified areas on our old border undertaken at the suggestions of comrades Kulik, Shaposhnikov and Zhdanov is clearly erroneous. They may still come in handy.

Stalin. What do you think that we will retreat to the old border?

Voroshilov. Comrade Zhukov here clearly overestimates the future enemy and underestimates our forces.

Zhukov. Everything happens in war, Comrade Stalin. I’m used to always get ready for the worst. Then there are no surprises. As for the remark by Comrade Voroshilov, his underestimation of the enemy already once cost dearly to our armed forces during the Finnish campaign

Stalin. So do you think, comrade Zhukov, that it is not necessary to disarm the old fortified areas in order to equip the fortified areas with new weapons from the new border? I understand you correctly?

Zhukov. That's right, Comrade Stalin.

Stalin. Well, we’ll think about it, comrade Zhukov.

By your logic, Zhukov is a defeatist who should be shot on the spot.

[Jaros81]

It is you who must be handed over ... For treatment

[smile]

Jaros81
For scrap ... for waste paper ...

[svp67]

Quote: S-200

Think about it, cheers-patriots, that from your other comments is full of suicidal idiocy!

Just read about the fate of the inhabitants of Shlisselburg, the city under the occupation and you will not be so NIHILISTIC ...

[series]

Quote: svp67

Just read about the fate of the inhabitants of Shlisselburg, the city under the occupation and you will not be so NIHILISTIC ...

Sergey, Stalin’s vacillations over the surrender of Kiev cost more than 300 lives of soldiers and officers of the Southwestern Front and its practical defeat! and an unknown number of civilian lives ...
In a war, you need to be able to retreat, and not recklessly "heroically" perish "for an inch of your native land"! This land can then be taken away from the enemy less blood in a year or two, but try to return to mothers their 18-20 year old sons who died for these "span" ...

[series]

Quote: S-200

Just read about the fate of the inhabitants of Shlisselburg, a city under occupation

Shlisselburg it was frontline city ​​for three years !!!
With all the horrors of that war era ...
And let's take Paris, Prague, Amsterdam - occupied by the Germans ...
WHAT are their victims compared to ours?
Or OUR people deserve SUCH sacrifices ?! Who provoked SUCH victims by the Germans or OUR leadership during WWII ??
Even without any German plan to destroy the Slavs, the mediocre communist leadership alone in the first years of the war ruined millions of lives of Soviet people!
By itself, "an inch of native land" without a person inhabiting it ... HAS NO price! (see to Mars)))

[svp67]

Quote: S-200

By itself, "an inch of native land" without a person inhabiting it ... HAS NO price!

With such morality, we have already abandoned our allies in Europe, abandoned the union republics, and then what? Caucasus, Far East, Tatarstan ... and further down the list. Enough. It's time to move from the strategy of abrogation to offense.

[svp67]

Quote: S-200

And let's take Paris, Prague, Amsterdam - occupied by the Germans ...
WHAT are their victims compared to ours?

Take and compare them with the victims in Kiev, Minsk ... Remember Babi Yar ... Blackbirds ... Remember Warsaw what kind of victims ...

[series]

I talked with the inhabitants of Minsk who worked during the occupation ...
With the intensification of guerrilla action, the German occupation regime became tougher.
But do you calmly relate to the toughening of the police regime in Russia in connection with the intensification of terrorist activity?
Partisan warfare (involving civilians in combat and terrorist activities in the occupied territory) was not considered by the Germans as a civilized way of waging war. Hence, the corresponding repressive acts of intimidation in the form of the execution of hostages from among the civilian population.
The initiator of the guerrilla warfare in the occupied territories (with all the ensuing repressive consequences for the civilian population) was the leadership of the CPSU (b).
The consequences of the unleashing of partisan actions in the occupied territory were quite predictable and suited the Stalinist leadership!
Warsaw lost in the course of the armed uprising and subsequent repression, before that only the deportation of the Jews.
Victory should not be at ANY price!
there will be nobody to use its fruits in several generations ...

[domokl]

Quote: S-200

The initiator of the guerrilla warfare in the occupied territories (with all the ensuing repressive consequences for the civilian population) was the leadership of the CPSU (b).

My grandfather, a simple Belarusian man, from a remote village to one street, commanded a partisan detachment during the war. And the initiator of the creation of this detachment was lined up ... his wife, along with the women. The Germans took all the cattle, cows, goats, pigs and children read there is nothing to feed ... And in the nearest forest they just drove the selected cows from another region. 4 Germans and one hundred and fifty cows. Here Mtszhiks all stole into the swamps ... That is. Germans in the swamp, and cows on the island ...
And the first representative of the Red Army appeared in the detachment at the beginning of the year 43 ... And the connection with the headquarters of the partisan movement too ... So here you have a puncture ...

[SRC P-15]

Quote: S-200

The initiator of the guerrilla warfare in the occupied territories (with all the ensuing repressive consequences for the civilian population) was the leadership of the CPSU (b).

And who was the initiator of the guerrilla war in the 1st Patriotic War? Or will you say that only regular troops fought with Napoleon? No, with you I would not go into reconnaissance, you would surrender, at the first opportunity, to the enemy.

[DMB-78]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

you would surrender, at the first opportunity, to the enemy.

and I would have handed over all I knew

[series]

Quote: DMB-78

and I would have handed over all I knew

you are vain on the site heroing (out of ignorance or adolescent infantility) ...
there are no physically full-fledged people who are now specialists don't untie the tongue in full reel... even without torture

[DMB-78]

good teen look at the nickname I'm not talking about the unleashing, about the fact of voluntary surrender.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: S-200

there are no physically full-fledged people to whom specialists do not now untie their tongues to the fullest ... even without any torture

you don’t have to use torture either, I would sing a nightingale myself ...

[Ruslan67]

Quote: S-200

there are no physically full-fledged people to whom specialists do not now untie their tongues to the fullest ... even without any torture

Have you tried it on yourself? No ? Then I explain to the birds that get food by sweeping the tree: in many cases, the main factor was the time factor and the main thing was to hold out And then I agree, do not even need torture It’s enough to move the bones in one broken finger

[Ruslan67]

Quote: S-200

you are vain on the site heroing (out of ignorance or adolescent infantility) ...

Listen how did you get stars on this site? Or until we are away every day, are you here on the principle of a cat from a mouse house to a dance? So cats are pets They come back

[smile]

Ruslan67
Me too, by the way. amazed how won so with such a worldview and not in turtles? The genius of mimicry, chtol? :)))) And then Ostap suffered? :))) Wonders. in a word! :)))

[Ruslan67]

Quote: smile

amazed how won so with such a worldview but not in turtles

Vova Everything is simpler - I have neither the strength nor the time Otherwise, a peaceful turtle would have carried three skulls straight to the bathhouse on its hump

[Smirnov Vadim]

Sent to the bath!

[Ruslan67]

But for this - Big Human Thanks Got it

[Corsair]

Quote: S-200

there are no physically full-fledged people to whom specialists do not now untie their tongues to the fullest ... even without any torture

And do you think that in case of capture, in the company or battalion level of the enemy, such "specialists" will "talk" to you?

Or will they be "discharged" especially for you?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Corsair

Or will they be "discharged" especially for you?

There they will write out on the spot what moderators will not miss And then what I wrote above Before the injection, you still have to live

[builder74]

Alfred Koch, are you here ?!

[aviator65]

Quote: S-200

Partisan warfare (involving civilians in combat and terrorist activities in the occupied territory) was not considered by the Germans as a civilized way of waging war.

Did the Germans wage war in civilized ways? Hey S-200, what are you talking about? Or rather, where are you from?

[series]

Quote: aviator65

Did the Germans wage war in civilized ways? Hey S-200, what are you talking about? Or rather, where are you from?

list WHICH non-civilized methods and means of warfare (in accordance with the international conventions and laws adopted at that time) Wehrmacht applied against the Red Army during the fighting ?
Chemical, biological, radiological weapons?
Wunderwaffe doesn’t count ...

[Ivan.]

Quote: S-200

list WHAT non-civilized methods and means of warfare

Since you have a short memory, I’ll list a part
1) They attacked without declaring war and in violation of the contract.
2) They robbed the local population (the uterus of the hen, the eggs eat?) And drove them to forced labor
3) For the sabotage of partisans, the local population was shot and sometimes the whole population of the villages was burned.
4) The prisoners were treated clearly how + they were used as a consumable during mine clearance + they were starved and cold.
5) They did not punish their soldiers for bullying and killing civilians, rape, etc. except for exceptions
6) They pursued a policy of genocide of peoples through which they rallied peoples against themselves in France was not so
7) During the fighting, cases of using civilians as human shields were recorded.
This is not all, I was not interested in this topic, but I think it’s enough to clarify the difference.

[series]

Quote: Ivan.

sometimes the whole village population was burned

can you tell who burned Khatyn?
and then many do not even guess ...

[Ivan.]

Quote: S-200

Quote: Ivan.

sometimes the whole village population was burned

can you tell who burned Khatyn?
and then many do not even guess ...

You rush about like a driven animal, but it was you who drove yourself. The fact that the Ukrainian fascists were also noted does it disprove my words?
I was on an excursion in Khatyn in 87, you are certainly right that in the former republics with recent history they do obscene things like in the West, and it affected you too, you started lying not yesterday and you need to be prepared for what you know can be a fallacy.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: S-200

can you tell who burned Khatyn?
and then many do not even guess ...

who burned it is clear, but from whom they received the order, this is more interesting ...

[Ruslan67]

Quote: S-200

can you tell who burned Khatyn?

I went to school in '74. Already in the first grade I KNEW !! who burned Khatyn! Do you repeat?

[DMB-78]

Quote: S-200

WHAT non-civilized methods and means of warfare

hostage-taking, is this a civilized way? the destruction of entire villages with civilians, is this a civilized way? extermination of prisoners of war by a cyclone gas, is this a civilized way? and all this the Yankees did in Vietnam. maybe they fought there in a civilized manner?

[series]

I do NOT justify the war crimes of the Germans during the 2nd World War, but try to understand what prompted them to do this. What actions or inaction of the Soviet leadership prompted the enemy to commit such crimes.

[smile]

series
That is, you acknowledge that even the reasons for the usual inhuman treatment of German soldiers with Russians, to which Hitler himself informed that the war will be waged to our complete annihilation regardless of gender and age, are you looking not in the savage nature of Nazism but in our actions? Here, I confess, it rarely happens that I have nothing to even say ... but there is nothing ... I will only join the opinion of Domocles - only the wall heals such people.

[Corsair]

Quote: smile

I will only join the opinion of Domocles - only the wall heals such people.

I will be asked to your company

[smile]

Corsair
What to ask for is you and so ours! :)))) Yes, we are all ours! Normal people, when they see garbage in the house, want to clean it ... so that you and I are only for cleanliness! :)))) And this ....- won’s not ours ... won’t entot the very garbage is ... not otherwise ... :)))

[Corsair]

Quote: smile

Normal people, when they see garbage in the house, want to clean it ...

To "defuse emotions" a small anecdote from communicating with Americans on Facebook ...

In connection with raising the "bar" of the US national debt, one of ours "gave out" to the amerikos:

"Well, imagine that your apartment is flooded with feces under the ceiling ... Are you going to pump them out ... or raise the ceiling?"

This is the line of those who are used to living in de ** me and others to smear them ...

[smile]

Corsair
Well you are a beast! :))) Do you also find the time, desire and opportunity to bark with stripes on Facebook? Taking off my hat. I respect you. I communicate with them quite rarely and only in person.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: S-200

What actions or inaction of the Soviet leadership prompted the enemy to commit such crimes.

you are a complete i-diot ...
they considered us cattle, an inferior race (you, by the way, too), which, for no reason, was subject to almost complete destruction ...

we didn’t go out with a skull ...

[svp67]

Quote: S-200

Wehrmacht used against the Red Army during the fighting?
Chemical, biological, radiological weapons?

Adzhimushkay ...

[series]

Well, in the catacombs - I agree, a well-known isolated fact in the rear German (Romanian or Italian?) troops!

[smile]

series
That is, if you poison thousands of people with gas, but quietly and in your rear, then this is not a war crime, right? Yes, and thousands of burned Belarusian, Ukrainian and Lithuanian villages - this is generally nonsense, little things in life ... and figs with them every fourth or third Belarusians - they were bad ... slaves, and finally, it's commies to blame .... .So?

[Corsair]

Quote: S-200

Well, in the catacombs - I agree

"Cyclone B"used in death camps for the extermination of prisoners of war and the abducted civilian population does not mean anything?"
And the "gas-wagons"?

Your thoughts are clear and predictable, and this makes the task easier.
MINUSES OF YOUR Pearl can be set with your eyes closed ...

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: S-200

list WHAT non-civilized methods and means of warfare (according to the international conventions and laws adopted at that time) did the Wehrmacht use against the Red Army in the course of hostilities?

1. extermination of civilians, sometimes by burning it in their own homes (in Belarus, almost universal extermination)
2. prohibition of Red Cross employees to Russian prisoners of concentration camps
3. gas chambers for the destruction of prisoners
4. the development of tactical nuclear weapons, which would undoubtedly be used if they had time before the end of the war ...
5. and yes, they still attacked without declaring reasons and war, which, incidentally, is a gross violation
6. use of incendiary bombs

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: S-200

Chemical, biological, radiological weapons?
Wunderwaffe doesn’t count ...

I recommend the first volume of Aron Schneier's book "Captivity", the second is a Jewish theme. And the first clearly debunks the myth of the noble Wehrmacht. For the attitude towards prisoners of war, the Wehrmacht should be considered the same criminal organization as the "SS".
http://www.jewniverse.ru/RED/Shneyer/

[smile]

Aaron Zawi
I support. Great book. And the second volume too. And the fact that the "Jewish theme" would be so strange if a Jew, qualitatively justifying the crime of the entire Nazi Caudle, including the Wehrmacht, which did not differ from the SS in almost anything, would forget the Jewish theme ... I personally would would not understand.

[Dart2027]

When war is declared extermination, then talking about some future in case of defeat is nonsense.
Yes, not all Germans hated Russians. But only in case of victory, it would be psychos and sadists who would give orders.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: S-200

With the intensification of guerrilla action, the German occupation regime became tougher.
But do you calmly relate to the toughening of the police regime in Russia in connection with the intensification of terrorist activity?

I'm sorry, I correctly understood that you compared the fight against terrorism with the fascist takeover?

I have for you many epithets, good and different, which I with great pleasure would hammer into your sore head ...

[Corsair]

Quote: S-200

With the intensification of guerrilla action, the German occupation regime became tougher.
But do you calmly relate to the toughening of the police regime in Russia in connection with the intensification of terrorist activity?

T.E. Hitlerites acted on the legal basis in the occupied territories?

Then do not tell me why the Nuremberg trial was needed ???

[svp67]

Quote: S-200

Or OUR people deserve SUCH sacrifices ?! Who provoked SUCH victims by the Germans or OUR leadership during WWII ??

No, of course I did not deserve it. But you look one-sidedly, for you the main fault of the communist regime. But for me, the main thing is that the Russian people, conquering communist morality - all working brothers, defended their homeland, their own and not the international international, and won, despite everything ... And I will repeat this quote again:
"The only thing that is needed for the triumph of Evil is that good people do nothing ..." Edmund Burke

[series]

Quote: svp67

. But you look one-sided, for you the main thing is the fault of the communist regime

Just the opposite !
I analyze the strength and weakness of the one-man management of Stalin ...
Only the most severe discipline and responsibility which was guided by the CPSU (b) in the Army, organs and the rear were able to break Germany and its allies ...
However, I cannot accept the price of Victory, if only because my grandfather died of starvation in a German prisoner of war camp, refusing to work for a bowl of baland ...
We know, because the surviving fellow villager after the war said this after returning from captivity.
And my grandfather left in Siberia 4 small children, probably did not want to get under order No. 227.

[Ivan.]

Quote: S-200

However, I cannot accept the price of Victory, if only because my grandfather died of starvation in a German prisoner of war camp, refusing to work for a bowl of baland ...

He didn’t die but died, they die on the battlefield. I understand your grandfather.

[aviator65]

Refused to work in German captivity for a bowl of baland and died of ... starvation.
Dear, are you friends with your head? Do you understand what you’ve issued now?
That is, he was not satisfied with the "bowl of gruel", but he probably counted on something more in captivity, in your opinion? For refusing to work in German camps, I assure you, they did not die of hunger. The Nazis did not stand on ceremony on this score.
I sympathize with your grandfather. You, apparently, know the story of your grandfather in the same way as the history of the Second World War.
Incidentally, one of my grandfather died in the fall of 41, defending Moscow, and the second died of wounds three years after the Victory. However, in my family no one had any idea of ​​doubting the price of Victory. We must appreciate the fact that it is thanks to our grandfathers that we now live.
The more I read your reasoning, S-200, the more disgusting it becomes. Nothing holy!

[kaktus]

Grandfather can be understood. There is no grandson

[31231]

However, I cannot accept the price of Victory, if only because my grandfather died of starvation in a German prisoner of war camp, refusing to work for a bowl of baland ...

I don’t know what you mean. But my grandfather came out of Brest for more than a month with his border guards. The Germans did not give up. And he received his two orders for confronting the Germans, and not surrendering to them.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: S-200

my grandfather died of starvation in a German prisoner of war camp, refusing to work for a bowl of baland ...

Eternal and bright memory to your grandfather And you do not live because of this? I won’t put a minus .. to some

[V. Tarasyan]

You simply compare photographs of Paris, Amsterdam, Prague under the Germans with photographs of Soviet occupied cities. And everything will become clear.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: V. Tarasyan

You simply compare photographs of Paris, Amsterdam, Prague under the Germans with photographs of Soviet occupied cities. And everything will become clear.

By the way, Warsaw was also under the Germans, and you can also look at it.

[DMB-78]

Quote: S-200

And let's take Paris, Prague, Amsterdam - occupied by the Germans ...
WHAT are their victims compared to ours

and Hitler did not set out to destroy these peoples. never heard in what conditions the soldiers of these countries and Soviet soldiers were kept?

[series]

Quote: DMB-78

never heard in what conditions the soldiers of these countries and Soviet soldiers were kept?

see the film - "Hart's War"
a rough idea can be made

[DMB-78]

why do I need these films ????? my cousin told me about captivity. he fought in the brigade near the cowboy. a doctor. was captured at the operating table with a scalpel in his hands. no film will show the horror that happened there

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: S-200

And let's take Paris, Prague, Amsterdam - occupied by the Germans ...
WHAT are their victims compared to ours?

moderation, you are sorry, but call him an idiot!

you e-diot do not understand, perhaps, that they wanted to DESTROY us, and not capture us?

[smile]

Danafxnumx
I don’t know how the moderators have, but among ordinary visitors to the site you have gained hot support (I’ll open the secret-moderators — our people, everyone would be like that :)))) ... :))))) Tip - if you remove the shoe from with a hairpin and give ... to this .... on the head - it will be much more effective .... :))))) I understand that there is a provocative component in my words .... but to us, like, it it’s not good to beat .... :))) all the more, how do you get it? but you can! :)))) In general, Olga, let me express my support to you. Here! :))))

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: smile

In general, Olga, let me express my support to you. Here! :))))

Thank you!

Quote: smile

Advice - if you remove a shoe with a hairpin and give ... this .... on the head - it will be much more effective .... :))))

one small comment ...
shoes with a hairpin are best given not on the head, but in the eye :))))

[smile]

Danafxnumx
Oh, this is our way .... school is felt ... :)))) Apparently this is about people like you say: There are women in Russian villages - they will stop a galloping horse and the prince will be pulled off him in a moment, but if he will kick and he will be locked in a burning hut. :))))

[Alex 241]

Quote: smile

Oh, this is our way .... school is felt ... :)))) Apparently this is about people like you say: There are women in Russian villages - they will stop a galloping horse and the prince will be pulled off him in a moment, but if he will kick and he will be locked in a burning hut. :))))

Our person

[Danafxnumx]

Alexander, I shoot extremely badly ...
I specialize in martial arts more ... well, there’s a hairpin in the eye, locked in a hut ... well, and all in the same vein :))))

[Alex 241]

Well then, probably so

[smile]

Danafxnumx
For some reason, it seems to me that your lack of the habit of remotely influencing all kinds of scoundrels does not help them much ... :))) To be honest, women who can stand up for themselves cause me genuine respect. And here skills are not so important, character is important. The mass of hefty men cannot boast of them. And you obviously have it. And that's why it's nice to read your comments - it feels like we are from the same pack .... :))) Remember our cartoon "Mowgli"? :)))

[Alex 241]

Volodya in the original was: We are of the same blood.

[smile]

Alex 241
So it is, there is only one sense :))) Remember - we are a free pack!
I can not express my almost superstitious surprise - well, how do you manage to find videos or photos appropriate to circumstances in a matter of minutes ... I already said - for me this is akin to witchcraft .... an unattainable peak ... :)))

[Alex 241]

Quote: smile

I can not express my almost superstitious surprise - well, how do you manage to find videos or photos appropriate to circumstances in a matter of minutes ... I already said - for me this is akin to witchcraft .... an unattainable peak ... :)))

Volodya the main thing is to correctly compose a search query.

[smile]

Alex 241
Sasha, this seems to be understandable ... but there is so much too much to go out. and poking around in it ... I don't want to call myself unreasonable ... but it's not very successful. Here, Ruslan, well-known to you, branded me with shame for not watching the film about the allies "Castle Tower" recommended by him on New Year's Eve ... I form a request in every way, but the maximum that I found was that he was 69 and offer to buy a DVD. All. Basta karapuziki. I decided to turn to our specialists tomorrow - they will find me anything, up to the slivers .... :)))

[Alex 241]

Let's look for it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[smile]

Alex 241
Oh, thanks! I, damn it, did not have enough brains for you, men. to contact. I am terribly grateful for the fact of help.

[Alex 241]

Volodya, I will build a regiment, take you out and punish you demonstratively! Just don't say that the regiment won't like it! Did I tell you about a correctly composed request? The film is called "DEFENSE OF THE CASTLE" here is the link http://filmix.net/70604-ohrana-zamka -oborona-zamka-castle-keep-1969.html

[smile]

Alex 241
You are not just a beast, you are a Tyrannosaurus !!!! Thank you! Ya !!
Shelf will like it - you know, the sight of a colleague who has been fucked is always pleasing to the eye ... :)))) At the same time, it testifies to that. that the authorities will not take care of you personally. being busy with those unlucky. :)))
That's it, I went to enlighten. ... Sasha, no kidding, thanks.

[Alex 241]

Quote: smile

That's it, I went to enlighten.

Come see you. If what else interests you, write in the mail, I will help.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: smile

And that's why it's nice to read your comments - it feels like we are from the same pack .... :))) Remember our cartoon "Mowgli"? :)))

a long time ago, on the website of Inosmi, still old, Ognevsky, there was such an expression for patriots - a wolf pack, then it was transformed into a bear cavalry ...
did you happen to be in 2006-2007 on Inosmi?

[smile]

Danafxnumx
Olga, I have never been to Inosmi. I didn’t even read anything there, although, apparently, it’s worth it. I generally never and never in tyrnete anything but wrote here .... You will laugh, and did not read. Dark I, though not so old. :)))) My communication with tyrnet was limited to the extraction of books and documents. All. I really did not go to any site. Sometimes I began to glance briefly after colleagues from this site recommended. Such are the things.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: smile

apparently worth

no longer there used to be more fun :)))
but if you like reading what the "sworn partners" think of us, then there are translations of their press ...
Previously there was a very interesting forum, which was then closed :(

Quote: smile

My communication with tyrnet was limited to the extraction of books and documents. Everything. I really did not go to any site. Sometimes I began to glance briefly after colleagues from this site recommended.

pretty unusual :)))

[smile]

Danafxnumx
Olga, you’ll laugh, but I’m going to foreign media ... to some extent due to the fact that they wrote the effect of the last drop. :))) And what they think of us, I already know, is not from the Internet. I often communicate with foreigners, partly because my whole family is foreigners and live behind a hill. moreover, there are no emigrants among them ... not one :))) partly because I often visit Europe. I read their press. I have never been to Turkey and Egypt ... and something is not thirsty. And in Europe - from Greece to Scotland - it was necessary. :)))
And about the unusual - I do not know .... I made an opinion about something on the basis of documents. This is probably a professional deformation. Somehow I didn’t need anybody’s comments earlier ... when I ran into our site and got sick with it, I realized that I was wrong ... :)))

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: smile

I made an opinion about something on the basis of documents. This is probably a professional deformation. Somehow I didn’t need anybody’s comments earlier ... when I ran into our site and got sick with it, I realized that I was wrong ... :)))

but on the contrary, I’m interested in reading an opinion ... analyze what people think ...
also professional deformation :)))

[smile]

Danafxnumx
:))) And you are absolutely right. By the way, I repented - I wrote - "I realized that I was wrong" ... :)))

[smile]

Alex 241
Exactly ours! See for yourself - both clever and character-flint, emotions are controlled at a time ... it also turns out that he is quite able to cut off a bad baldawka ... definitely - OUR!

[Alex 241]

Quote: smile

Exactly ours! See for yourself - both clever and character-flint, emotions are controlled at a time ... it also turns out that he is quite able to cut off a bad baldawka ... definitely - OUR!

Welcome aboard!

[chehywed]

Quote: S-200

And let's take Paris, Prague, Amsterdam - occupied by the Germans ...
WHAT are their victims compared to ours?

Scandinavians, Dutch, Walloons, etc. right up to the Anglo-Saxons, according to Nazi theory, races were recognized as Aryans, or racially close. Further downward: the French (about 50%), Czechs, Spaniards ... even the Poles% 5-10. And we are already subhuman by 100%!

Quote: S-200

In a war, you need to be able to retreat, and not recklessly "heroically" perish "for an inch of your native land"! This land can then, after a year or two, beat off less blood from the enemy

Would you like to live in the occupation for these "years or two"? Yes, considering the Ost plan? Would you live?

[svp67]

Quote: S-200

Sergey, Stalin’s vacillation over the surrender of Kiev

Each situation has its own roots and meaning. That Kiev had to be surrendered at that moment and withdraw the troops of the 5th Army of the Southwest Front, I as a military officer understand 100%. This, of course, would not have saved us from the defeat of the Southwest Front, but it would have reduced the loss of troops and perhaps would have helped us in the future. But Leningrad and Moscow are not Kiev, far from Kiev and the situation in the ROOT is different there ... Kiev - militarily, the loss is possible and not critical, politically - it is not desirable. Moscow and Leningrad, both in the military and in the political sense, are not desirable ...

[series]

Quote: svp67

Moscow and Leningrad, both in the military and in the political sense, are not desirable ...

Wars are won by defeating the enemy (or inflicting unacceptable losses on their military-industrial and economic potential), and by occupying empty territories ...
Moscow - YES! the most important transport, industrial and political center of the country ...
The loss of Kiev and Kharkov is perhaps comparable to Leningrad, the loss of which would be less dramatic for the defense of Moscow than the loss of Smolensk. True, with the loss of Leningrad, there was a threat to cut off Karelia and the ports of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk by rail from the metropolis.
BUT they fought for the CRADLE OF REVOLUTION first of all ...
FOR THE CITY SYMBOL, everything else in the siege of the saga, except for the political meaning - SECONDARY ...
including people in vain starved of hunger
PS Well, pseudo-patriots ...
WHO of you is now ready for starvation for the sake of the symbol of a new Russia, a step forward!

[domokl]

Quote: S-200

PS Come on pseudo-patriots ...
WHO of you is now ready for starvation for the sake of the symbol of a new Russia, a step forward!

You ask this question to special forces soldiers who are now dying, injuring themselves for the sake of this newest Russia ... And believe me, they don’t always eat even once a day. I think they don’t go to death because of the long ruble and not for rewards ...

[DMB-78]

Quote: domokl

You ask this question to special forces soldiers who are now dying, injured for the sake of this very new Russia ...

and a vivid example of the golden eagle fighters who remain faithful to the oath and duty.

[aviator65]

Quote: S-200

PS Come on pseudo-patriots ...
WHO of you is now ready for starvation for the sake of the symbol of a new Russia, a step forward!

What do you measure all by yourself?

[kaktus]

Yes, the S-200 is just a fat troll!

[Raven1972]

Quote: S-200

BUT they fought for the CRADLE OF REVOLUTION first of all ...

Well, yes, but the BF base, hospitals, arsenals, of course, weren’t there .... And the Lenigrad Kirov and Izhora factories too ... Well, well

[svp67]

Quote: S-200

The loss of Kiev and Kharkov is perhaps comparable with Leningrad,

Neither Kiev nor Kharkov were fleet bases, unlike Leningrad, and in the event of its loss, the USSR lost the Baltic Fleet ... This is in addition to everything ...

[Kars]

Quote: svp67

USSR lost Baltic Fleet ... This is in addition to everything ...

The Baltic Fleet spent the entire war behind minefields. And even in 1945, Prince Eugen shot through the entire BC against our troops and surrendered to the British.

[svp67]

Quote: Kars

The Baltic Fleet spent the entire war behind minefields. And even in 1945, Prince Eugen shot through the entire BC against our troops and surrendered to the British.

And the PL and TC? So maybe "Gustlov" sank himself ..

[Kars]

Quote: svp67

And the PL and TC? So maybe "Gustlov" sank himself ..

The submarines didn’t make any picture, they probably died more. And in Gustlov there is no special honor. Just a big transport.

[svp67]

Quote: Kars

The submarines didn’t make any picture, they probably died more. And in Gustlov there is no special honor. Just a big transport.

Well, what nonsense are you talking about. Think for yourself ... Yes, many of our submarines died, and they perished on mines, from air strikes, enemy ships, and the overwhelming majority not in harbors, but at sea. People knew that there was little chance of returning, and nevertheless they went on a military campaign, but do you think it was necessary to stand idle? So the Germans did not simply "stuffed" the Gulf of Finland with mines - precisely in order to exclude the BF "from the game."
Submarine: Lembit
Victories according to the USSR: 23 + 4 damaged.
Victories recognized by Germany: 7 + 4 damaged.
Service: Baltic Fleet of the USSR
Notes: Successful Ram U-479
Awards: Hero of the Soviet Union, Order of Lenin, Order of the Red Banner, Order of Ushakov, 2nd degree, Order of the Patriotic War, 1st degree (2), Badge of Honor

Submarine: S-13
Victories according to the USSR: 11 (?)
Victories recognized by Germany: -
Service: Baltic Fleet
Notes: Destroyed the passenger liner "Wilhelm Gustlov".
Awards: Hero of the Soviet Union, Order of Lenin (2), Order of the Red Banner (2), Medal "For Military Merit", Medal "For the Defense of Leningrad"

Submarine: L-21
Victories according to the USSR: 11
Victories recognized by Germany: 10
Service: Baltic Fleet
Notes: Destroyed 2 torpedo boats (T-3 and T-5), 1 U-367 submarine and disabled the destroyer Z-43 before the end of the war, which is the best result against warships.
Awards: Order of Ushakov, Order of the Patriotic War of the 1st degree, Order of the Red Star

Submarine: L-3
Victories according to the USSR: 21 + 1 damaged.
Victories recognized by Germany: 11
Service: Baltic Fleet of the USSR
Notes:
Awards: Order of Lenin (2), Order of the Red Banner (2), Order of the Red Star (2), Order of the Patriotic War, 1st degree

[Kars]

Quote: svp67

Well, what kind of nonsense are you talking about. Think about it yourself.

Against the general background, they did nothing. It will come to admit, although it does not want to.

Quote: svp67

Victories according to the USSR: 23 + 4 damaged.
Victories recognized by Germany: 7 + 4 damaged.

It can be said everything and it says. And piece by piece it is interesting, but tonnage is better.
They could not interrupt the supply of strategic materials from Finland.

Quote: svp67

So the Germans did not simply "stuffed" the Gulf of Finland with mines - precisely in order to exclude the BF "from the game"

They regretted this themselves. About their arrogance. That they would take Leningrad to 1941, and then because of their own mines they could not use their fleet more actively.

But in fact, the German fleet until the end of the war provided both supplies and evacuation, as well as fire support for its troops. As I already mentioned, a heavy cruiser hollowed our troops until APRIL 1945, until the entire BC was used up.

[svp67]

It is worth recognizing only one thing that the Soviet fleet was qualitatively inferior to the German fleet until the end of the war. Yes there were failures, but there were victories. On all, not very successful background of the actions of the Soviet fleets, nevertheless, the smallest of them - the North showed itself very worthy. Yes, and others, all the same tried to contribute to the victory ... It is no secret that after the death of two of our destroyers at the Black Sea Fleet on the same day, the Headquarters banned the use of large surface ships, recognizing their weakness, especially with regard to air defense ...
As far back as 1943, Stalin realized that everything would be decided on land, but this was only in the war with Germany, and in that howl that could not break out after this was completed, the fleet was necessary, that’s why they tried to take control of the best ships of the Italian fleet, and why the allies did not give us them ...

[Kars]

Quote: svp67

It is worth recognizing only one thing that the Soviet fleet was qualitatively inferior to the German fleet until the end of the war.

Until the end of the war? When most of the warships of Germany were destroyed by the Allies? Which, however, did not stop recording the sunken battleship of Germany in the Soviet historiography behind the Soviet fleet 4.

Quote: svp67

On all, not a very successful background of the actions of the Soviet fleets, nevertheless, the smallest of them - the North showed itself very worthy.

where does the northern fleet? when it comes to the Baltic.

Quote: svp67

It is no secret that after the death of two of our destroyers at the Black Sea Fleet on the same day, the Headquarters banned the use of large surface ships, recognizing their weakness, especially with regard to air defense ...

There is no need to hide the stupidity of the Soviet command, especially in the Black Sea Fleet, for allegedly the weakness of military units, and after when, under the cover of this order, the Kerch landing was thrown, at the time when the October Revolution LK was chilling in Novorossiysk, and after the war it was quickly put to the needle.

Quote: svp67

Stalin in the 1943 year realized that everything will be decided on land

it’s not clear what this passage is? At the same time, the Allied was given to us everything that the Soviet admiral pulled out of his cap.

[cth; fyn]

just a big transport.

With a lot of enemy soldiers ...

[Snoop]

Just a big transport))) So the main task of the submarines of that time was precisely the work on the enemy's sea lanes. The convoy attack, and the main target was not cruisers and battleships, but just transporters transporting troops and strategic raw materials.

[Bigriver]

Quote: S-200

...Stalin's hesitation over the surrender of Kiev cost more than 300 lives of soldiers and officers of the South-Western Front and its practical defeat! and an unknown number of civilian lives ...

Are you quoting Zhukov now? In this case, he considers himself very great.
Guderian’s turn was not in itself a disaster for Kiev. In general, in Kiev there is a correspondence of Kirponos and the General Staff. Neither one nor the other did not see any disaster. And there were reserves against Heinz.
The Zhukovsky proposal to withdraw the troops of the district of the future boiler did not cancel. Since the line of the proposed withdrawal of troops was much west of the line where Kleist and Guderian were connected in reality. Sly Georgy Konstantinich ...
The most important thing is the rotation of Kleist PRO-GL-DE-LEE !!!

[svp67]

Quote: BigRiver

The Zhukovsky proposal to withdraw the troops of the district of the future boiler did not cancel.

Yes, it didn’t, but it did give a gain in time when the most combat-ready units could reach the outer ring of the circle much earlier and break through it, making it possible for many, though not all, to leave the boiler ... and while the troops were crossing the Dnieper, a lot of time was lost ...

[series]

no, not Zhukova, the Army General Horbatov also mentions this in his memoirs ...

[Bigriver]

Quote: S-200

no, not Zhukova, the Army General Horbatov also mentions this in his memoirs ...

From late July to October 41, General Gorbatov was absent from the front.
Be kind, do not be lazy, find his fragment of memories of what is happening near Kiev in August-September 1941.

[igor.borov775]

Reading some of the statements, I begin to remember the teachings of DOCTOR GOEBELS, A little truth further lies a little more truth and a big lie, This technique works very well, it works perfectly, Reading and listening to some gentlemen I hear a loud ovation from this doctor, examples yes please, Last year before Victory Day, one respected figure said; SMERSH IS THE ESSAYER "After the holiday, he again appeared on TV screens and repeated it again, What happened to him was punished, Yes YOU that he is a respected deputy of CHUBAIS, Everything is fine with him, as the war veterans were not offended, This is that the only time how many you have already heard something like that, And when they announced that this is a struggle of opinions, I understood the doctor is alive and his teaching is alive and well developed and well delivered, And this is not somewhere in Europe, but we have destroyed this infection, It turns out that they are not here and their power does not touch them, it is their own, like this

[DMB-78]

Quote: S-200

but try to return to mothers their 18-20 year old sons who died during these "span" ...

and you try to return the people executed in Kapustin Yar. did not try to count how many people were able to evacuate while defending Kiev?

[smersh70]

Quote: S-200

Stalin's hesitation over the surrender of Kiev cost more than 300 lives of soldiers and officers

but thereby defended Moscow.

[Dart2027]

The sacrifice of 300000 soldiers on the Southwestern Front allowed Stalin to transfer fresh forces to Moscow, thwart the Barbarossa plan and ultimately hold the front. Is it cruel? Certainly. This is the only war in reality.
I wonder how many dead would he not do it?

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: S-200

Kiev's dachas cost over 300 000 the lives of soldiers and officers of the Southwestern Front and its practical defeat! and an unknown number of civilian lives ...

but in Kiev, that not people lived?
you want to leave them to the enemy! do you understand that

Quote: S-200

This land can then be recaptured from the enemy less blood in a year or two,

baby, an offensive is never less blood than a defense ... tie with strategies ...

Quote: S-200

try to return to mothers their 18-20 year old sons who died for these "span" ...

there was no need to explain anything to anyone ... everyone understood everything ... there was just a war of extermination ...

[smile]

series
Wah! :))) That is, in your opinion, doom millions of Leningraders to destruction (and according to German and Finnish documents it is obvious that the population should have been completely destroyed), lose 21-24 percent of the country's industrial potential (industry of Leningrad), destroy the fleet, free up the giant German and Finnish forces bound there, supplying the Germans with monstrous reserves of strategic materials, losing Murmansk - is this such a delicate strategic calculation? Yes, you, abanamat, STRATEGIC GENIUS, not otherwise ..... :)))
As Shakherezad would have formulated, you surpassed the limit and went deeper into the forbidden area .... There is nowhere to go and dirtier than the place where you draw such sacred revelations, you can’t find .... I can imagine what your grandfathers would tell you .. .

[series]

Quote: Pinochet000

If Army Group Sever were freed, Moscow would be doomed!

Moscow was ready to surrender!
Party and state institutions were evacuated, all the most important industrial buildings, communications were mined ... stampede of the population!

[Max otto]

Quote: S-200

Moscow was ready to surrender!
Party and state institutions were evacuated, all the most important industrial buildings, communications were mined ... stampede of the population!

Moscow was prepared for the occupation, as one of the possible results of the defense. You confuse warm and soft. After all, fire extinguishers are bought in advance, and not when it is already on fire.
I get the impression that you treat life like a computer game. The reality is more complicated, much.

[svp67]

Quote: S-200

Moscow was ready to surrender!

She was PREPARED for surrender, but NOT READY. These are TWO BIG DIFFERENCES. People, at its approaches, fought to the end, the SUPREME COMMANDER OF CHIEF didn’t leave her, but the control centers that were in charge of ALL FRONTS remained ... And this Moscow is completely different from Warsaw and Paris ... And that the option of capture and further resistance is a common practice. But here, Leningrad is different from this, since there was NO WHERE TO GO BACK ...

[series]

Quote: svp67

She was PREPARED for surrender, but NOT READY. THIS IS TWO HUGE DIFFERENCES

Sergey, the PANIC has begun in the city! provoked by the flight of the party-economic elite. The people followed ... Institutions and enterprises are mostly evacuated!
What else do you need for READINESS ?!

[svp67]

Quote: S-200

Sergey, the PANIC has begun in the city!

Which TERRORLY suppressed and was no longer allowed, and this indicates the capacity of the AUTHORITY ...

What else do you need for READINESS ?!

You somehow forget that the DEFENSE Frontiers were preparing in the city, they were not going to surrender it without a fight. Subversive detachments were prepared, "surprises" were laid ... The city was PREPARING TO FIGHT UP TO THE LAST POSSIBILITY ... And the Germans would not have taken it so easily

[series]

Quote: svp67

the horde was READY TO FIGHT TO THE LAST OPPORTUNITY ... And so the Germans simply would not have taken it

Who disputes THIS! But...
mined (just in case) - EVERYTHING!

[kaktus]

Some mines were found in the 21st century!

[Corsair]

Quote: svp67

She was PREPARED for surrender

DELIVERY, this is when the keys to the city are brought on a silver platter, but with a blue border ...
In our case, if the situation developed in an unfavorable way for us, Hitler would get SHISH and + total resistance of the townspeople.
We are cities Leftwere forced, but Did not give up...

[Vilor]

And why did you delete my comment? Where to turn? Or can I explain in such a way?

[Sid.74]

Quote: Vilor

And why did you delete my comment? Where to turn? Or can I explain in such a way?

Do not be offended by warning me when a fascinating Ukrainian told a few affectionate ones!
You have too rudely expressed opinion about s-200! So, delete your comment!
I'm not a moderator! But read the rules in the upper left corner of the site. But I respect your position

[Vilor]

I agree, perhaps rudely, but when a person says that they stood in vain, and all in vain, and even considering that I live in this city, then why does the administration not punish such people here?

[Vilor]

Just as an example. Let him come to us in Leningrad, and come up to the siege and tell him directly in the eyes: "Hey, but you stood in vain, defended in vain, held on in vain." Will be able? Yes, THEY will slam him with their heels !!!

[Sid.74]

Quote: Vilor

Let him come to us in Leningrad, and come up to the siege and tell him directly in the eyes: "Hey, but you stood in vain, defended in vain, held on in vain." Will be able? Yes, THEY will slam him with their heels !!!

What can I say! Of course, s-200 said a stupid thought! There is no justice neither in death nor in hunger, but this is war, hunger and pestilence always go with it! and the dignity of all fallen and dead, it’s disgusting to dirty one’s unworthy position with mud;

[kaktus]

Like a cockroach!

[Corsair]

Quote: Vilor

why does the administration not punish such people here?

Alas, like that ...
Rules, their mother ...
But there is a legal way to punish them - a reasoned "minus". So that the thugs know their place in society and on the site ...

[igor.borov775]

You can learn a lot of interesting things. We started from one thing and probably quickly understood everything that the question should be put much higher than this RAIN. both technically and with military command methods, They had colossal experience in fighting, For them (Germans), breakthroughs to a depth of 300-500 km were the norm all the more already a proven practice, And the losses do you think how many civilians of the cities closest to the border died in the first hours of bombing, No one can even say about all the documents were burned and the victims were huge, Holochost didn’t get close to what the Nazis did with the civilian population of our country, But our liberals are trying to denigrate the heroic deed of our people with a lot of liberals, For some 20 years they blackened everything and now we all see traces of this destructive action, Most seriously, it has become noticeable in the neighboring country of Ukraine, At first the history is destroyed, then the destruction of the state begins, And the history of Ukraine is much richer than the stories of many European countries, But there they honor history and the state clearly applies the laws to such figures, and in our country it’s very neat from the tribunes they say this is a struggle of opinions, And PUSHKIN wrote: DO NOT SHOOT THE FUTURE ANSWERING THE FUTURE FROM THE GUN TO THE HISTORY, but he knew exactly what he was writing back in that time, even now incomprehensible to many, but very few public people should bear real responsibility for distorting the facts of history, Law is needed but how write it even if the ministers make terrible mistakes when discussing the history of the country. To the topic, the liberals make a big mistake, it was necessary to declare the defenders of LENINGRAD as fines and all the type of top people shat if they already are here, and they don’t give a damn about the history and facts, They already shot a film about the blockade where in SMOLNYE ate chocolate during the famine of which you can be embarrassed to sculpt everything now, I bow my head to everything and the fighters of that terrible war and all those who did everything to destroy this evil, I’m just offended by our ungrateful ugly power that only verbally defends our gains, I’m sorry that POLAND got more territory than it had before the war, the USSR achieved recognition of these territories for POLAND, Also applies to Lithuania and UKRAINE, and now, with the tacit consent of our authorities, they calmly spit on us, I would like to see how they spit on England for such gifts,

[Vilor]

I’ll write again. The fact that you are a patient is already clear. Better to be a dead lion than a living dog. Let's remember "Hot Snow", the hero of Georgy Zhzhenov said: "First of all, they are soldiers, if I remember that they have mothers, sisters, brothers, children, I will not be able to send them into battle." Yes, cruel, but this is war. Sorry for the repetition, but for what they deleted, I still do not understand.

[Pinochet000]

Quote: S-200

Moscow was ready to surrender!
Party and state institutions were evacuated, all the most important industrial buildings, communications were mined ... stampede of the population!

Following Moscow, they would lose the entire South, the population in the European part of the USSR would be destroyed ... in short, your position is clear. They would retreat beyond the Urals, having lost several tens of millions, both military and civilians, and the entire European part of the country (especially for dole ...)

[DMB-78]

Quote: S-200

Moscow was ready to surrender!

But what about the parade on November 7? Is it ready to surrender?

[smersh70]

Quote: S-200

Party and state institutions were evacuated, all the most important industrial buildings, communications were mined ... stampede of the population!

. I would say, not to surrender, but to conduct defensive battles, that is, to defense. when they hand over the city, they don’t mine it, they just dump it. That's all.

[cth; fyn]

Leningrad needed to be RENTED!

And click through Moscow? Would Moscow have withstood if, in addition to the current situation, the "North" grouping had piled on it? No, Moscow would have fallen the victim was forced! because with the fall of Moscow Japan would enter the war, we could not pull up reserves from Siberia and would lose the Second World War.

[homosum20]

"Success is never blamed."
Catherine II

[series]

Quote: homosum20

"Success is never blamed."

.... contemporaries
HISTORY will judge everyone ... both the winners and the vanquished!

[Bigriver]

Retreating and surrendering the boundaries can not be won!
Offensive or, at least, retention of positions is energetically more profitable than retreat. This is an axiom.
When retreating, the army loses MORE manpower, materiel, and ammunition.
What you offer, hiding behind humanistic considerations - is either thoughtlessness or betrayal.

[Pinochet000]

Quote: BigRiver

Retreating and surrendering the boundaries can not be won!
Offensive or, at least, retention of positions is energetically more profitable than retreat. This is an axiom.
When retreating, the army loses MORE manpower, materiel, and ammunition.
What you offer, hiding behind humanistic considerations - is either thoughtlessness or betrayal.

I totally agree.

[TROG]

series

During the war you would be a good friend of the Germans,
there were thousands of such sykuns.
They finished well too, they were stupidly shot.

[DMB-78]

Quote: TROG

They were stupidly shot.

no, not stupid, but as traitors, according to the law of wartime

[Dimkapvo]

s-200 - rotten, they weren’t shot, they were hung up. I am a native of Leningrad, many relatives died in the blockade. Hopefully removed this dirty trick from here forever.

[Kushadasov]

Having such a high rank on a reputable site and bearing such liberalistic defeatist nonsense ... This is some kind of nonsense. Dear, maybe you were bitten by a liberalist?))

[series]

Boil, you are there in Finland - you tear the Finnish flag on your chest according to clearly expressed thoughtlessness, and here I am in the Urals - I wield the shield of the Motherland ...

[Don]

Quote: S-200

There was NO military, political, economic, and industrial expediency to starve these people!

Look at the data on how many weapons Leningrad produced during the war years.

Quote: S-200

HOWEVER, through his fault in the German camps, millions of Soviet prisoners of war died from hunger.

Did you understand what you wrote?

Quote: S-200

All countries of the world (except the USSR) transferred funds for their maintenance under the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War!

Well, of course. Directly the USA and Great Britain, being at war with Germany, transferred money to it. And at the same time Honduras, Liberia, Iran and Japan.

Quote: S-200

Think about it, cheers-patriots, that from your other comments is full of suicidal idiocy!

I just see that from your comments is full of idiocy.

[Don]

Quote: S-200

There was NO military, political, economic, and industrial expediency to starve these people!

Look at the data on how many weapons Leningrad produced during the war years.

Quote: S-200

HOWEVER, through his fault in the German camps, millions of Soviet prisoners of war died from hunger.

Did you understand what you wrote?

Quote: S-200

All countries of the world (except the USSR) transferred funds for their maintenance under the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War!

Well, of course. Directly the USA and Great Britain, being at war with Germany, transferred money to it. And at the same time Honduras, Liberia, Iran and Japan.

Quote: S-200

Think about it, cheers-patriots, that from your other comments is full of suicidal idiocy!

I just see that from your comments is full of idiocy.

[series]

Quote: Don

Look at the data on how many weapons Leningrad produced during the war years.

And what?
Really more than 1,5 millionpeople working in the Urals ???
What kind of raw material base was for THIS production, even if they couldn’t give enough food to eat ???!
maybe it was better to evacuate civilians on ice and send them to work for defense enterprises of the Urals and Siberia ??! There, for 12 hours or more, people stood at machine tools ...
Where would a worker work better and more productively?

[Don]

Quote: S-200

And what?
Really more than 1,5 million people working in the Urals ???

It is not a matter of the number of people, but of factories. Only in the second half of 1941, and November – December of this year were one of the most difficult months, Leningrad gave the front 713 tanks, over 3 thousand regimental and anti-tank guns, more than 10300 mortars, 480 armored vehicles, 58 armored trains. 1 In addition, for July – December 1941, the front received more than 3 million shells and mines, 40 thousand rockets, and a large number of other military equipment. Is it a lot or a little? The following comparative data are indicative in this respect: in the second half of 1941, 10,1 percent were released in Leningrad. Of all the artillery pieces manufactured in the country, 23,5 percent. mortars and 14,8 percent. tanks. Approximately 52 percent min and 68 percent. the shells spent by the front at that time were fired in Leningrad. so Harosh nonsense grind.

Quote: S-200

maybe it was better to evacuate civilians on ice and send them to work for defense enterprises of the Urals and Siberia ??!

Many specialists were evacuated anyway, but the whole city was not really possible to evacuate.

[series]

Quote: Don

and the whole city was not really evacuating.

Just like REALLY! on ice for a month or two ..
None of the civilians in Leningrad would have remained!
on a flat road on ice 20-25 km TOTAL!
If you organize help points on every kilometer .. EVERYTHING would be gone ...
A railway was laid on ice!

[Don]

Quote: S-200

Just like REALLY! on ice for a month or two.

Yeah. An example is given which city was evacuated. And most importantly, do not even think and do not think about where to overpower. Such an amount must be placed somewhere, feed, give housing, work.

[series]

Quote: Don

Many specialists were evacuated anyway, but the whole city was not really possible to evacuate.

understandably...
for you human life is cheaper than iron

[Bigriver]

Quote: S-200

... maybe it was better to evacuate civilians on ice and send them to work for defense enterprises of the Urals and Siberia ??! ...

Clarification required.
In general, what do you mean by your proposal to "hand over Leningrad"?
The surrender of our group? When did you need to capitulate from your TK?

[series]

Quote: S-200

Directly the USA and Great Britain, being at war with Germany, transferred money to it. And at the same time Honduras, Liberia, Iran and Japan.

money was transferred by the warring countries to the International Red Cross located in neutral Switzerland ...
And already the IWC provided assistance (food, medical, money) to prisoners of war, in accordance with the funds received ...
British and American prisoners of war could monthly receive clothing and grocery parcels from relatives, friends and public organizations, as well as conduct correspondence!
And only the USSR did not have prisoners of war, but there were traitors ... whom their Motherland had TRIED (dooming to starvation), which they themselves defended!
You are a complete ignoramus and demonstrate your frank ignorance of the issues discussed

[Don]

Quote: S-200

money was transferred by the warring countries to the International Red Cross located in neutral Switzerland ...
And already the IWC provided assistance (food, medical, money) to prisoners of war, in accordance with the funds received ...

You seem to live in some kind of alternative universe. What a red cross in the concentration camps to which Soviet prisoners of war were sent.

Quote: S-200

British and American prisoners of war could monthly receive clothing and grocery parcels from relatives, friends and public organizations, as well as conduct correspondence!
And only the USSR did not have prisoners of war, but there were traitors ... whom their Motherland had TRIED (dooming to starvation), which they themselves defended!

If you read something, you would know that the Soviet prisoners of war were not such in Nazi Germany, because the Nazis considered the Slavs people not close to the Aryan peoples.

Quote: S-200

You are a complete ignoramus and demonstrate your frank ignorance of the issues discussed

Complete ignoramus? Clown, you don’t even know the numbers of how many weapons were produced in Leningrad, and you shout that you had to surrender. It’s good that the people in power at that time didn’t think like you, otherwise the Germans would have reached the Urals. What is your phrase worth:

Quote: Don

Quote: S-200
HOWEVER, through his fault in the German camps, millions of Soviet prisoners of war died from hunger.

That is, not through the fault of the Germans who starved them, but through the fault of Stalin. It is the same that the Jews died in concentration camps not through the fault of the Germans, but because they could not breathe gas. Think of your head with a little.

[31231]

You seem to live in some kind of alternative universe. What a red cross in the concentration camps to which Soviet prisoners of war were sent.

Ogh, he’ll now declare that in Aschwitz and Dachau there was a red cross medical center for every hut.

[Don]

Quote: S-200

money was transferred by the warring countries to the International Red Cross located in neutral Switzerland ...
And already the IWC provided assistance (food, medical, money) to prisoners of war, in accordance with the funds received ...

You seem to live in some kind of alternative universe. What a red cross in the concentration camps to which Soviet prisoners of war were sent.

Quote: S-200

British and American prisoners of war could monthly receive clothing and grocery parcels from relatives, friends and public organizations, as well as conduct correspondence!
And only the USSR did not have prisoners of war, but there were traitors ... whom their Motherland had TRIED (dooming to starvation), which they themselves defended!

If you read something, you would know that the Soviet prisoners of war were not such in Nazi Germany, because the Nazis considered the Slavs people not close to the Aryan peoples.

Quote: S-200

You are a complete ignoramus and demonstrate your frank ignorance of the issues discussed

Complete ignoramus? Clown, you don’t even know the numbers of how many weapons were produced in Leningrad, and you shout that you had to surrender. It’s good that the people in power at that time didn’t think like you, otherwise the Germans would have reached the Urals. What is your phrase worth:

Quote: Don

Quote: S-200
HOWEVER, through his fault in the German camps, millions of Soviet prisoners of war died from hunger.

That is, not through the fault of the Germans who starved them, but through the fault of Stalin. It is the same that the Jews died in concentration camps not through the fault of the Germans, but because they could not breathe gas. Think of your head with a little.

[igor.borov775]

Please answer where this is true, Twenty years trampled on their own history, they poured mud on everyone who did something to the Liberal = Democrats and YOU speak correctly, Many young people have grown up who judge their country by the SCAMS film and he was presented with some kind of prize, well done Mr. MENSHOV, who told the whole country what kind of film it was and refused to award the prize during the broadcast, This is an act, And for what kind of innovation on the cultural front of the Russian Federation the WAR art group received an award from the Ministry of Culture if after some time the girls from this advanced group received a term, It's just says that pouring mud over our history has become the norm, Mr. Gudkov Sr. Live said ON THE BOARD that our history is not very and only Europeans have taught us and made us cultural, This was said by the former KGB colonel, Is it really not clear this is normal, and this fuss around the Rain it will not give anything but it will show all our wretchedness of power, It's a shame of course, but this is the situation in the country, And the scandal around this is just a litmus boom for our elite, before the New Year, our prime minister spoke so diligently about everything except the economy, it says nothing and he is the main one in this area,

[Kushadasov]

This was said by a former KGB colonel

There is a black sheep in every herd.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: igor.borov775

That said a former KGB colonel

That's why he and the former. And now, saliva is spraying with hatred and that has been moved away from the feeder.

[invisibility]

Guys, let me kiss you !!!!!!!!

[Su24]

Glory to the Fatherland!

[APASUS]

Quote: Gardamir

Everything is right! This is our country! Our traditions!

THIS IS OUR VICTORY !!!
The owners of the Rain, not selling offal to the liberals!

[Max_Bauder]

What "Kozlodoev" could minus the act of patriots? Pussifan?

[siberalt]

Ah, well done guys! A worthy answer to a bitch tribe.

[siberalt]

Ah, well done guys! A worthy answer to a bitch tribe.

[Name]

What can I say, well done! Let the Liberos be afraid.

[Gregazov]

The name of the radio station must be changed from silver to acid.

[svp67]

Quote: GregAzov

The name of the radio station must be changed from silver to acid.

Or it is possible in a different way "The rain of silversmiths ..."

[invisibility]

And you can burn ...

[cth; fyn]

comrade Molotov approves.

[Same lech]

Cool guys, I’m interested in the reaction of the authorities, will they not push the famous 282 Russian article against THEM for inciting hatred against the liberals from RAIN?

[Sid.74]

Alexei no offense to you, but the pip on your tongue

[Same lech]

Eugene, I will not be offended; I will be offended by our guys.

Recently, the article was about SERGEY ASTANIN, and so the terrorist KASHENIN, who had captured the hostage, and the murdered ASTANIN, was sentenced to 20 years of imprisonment, how ... this bastard will come out and will kill people again — our state is humane to all evil, in the USA they give hundreds years in prison or life (I have no words just to resent)

[major071]

Anything can be expected from liberals. After all, they know the laws well, especially since they themselves write them. Wherever you stick your finger, there are only "left-backs".
Interestingly, who minus the article? Or did we have a "secret liberal"?

[Name]

Quote: major071

Wherever you stick your finger, there are only "left-backs".
Interestingly, who minus the article? Or did we have a "secret liberal"?

All the secret ... well, you know.

[cth; fyn]

do we have a "secret liberal"?

series

[series]

Quote: cth; fyn

do we have a "secret liberal"?
series

I consider myself to be Homo sapiens
for obvious reasons, I won’t force you to do this ...

[Coward]

We ourselves, we can classify and praise anything ....

[yur]

Generally, sapiens means "reasonable", but you, forgive me, this is not visible.

[leks]

Handsome guys !!! You can also give a hint that such a banner in a smaller format may appear on their forehead.
And the leadership of the rain, along with Zygar, will again scream political order and persecution.

[TELEMARK]

Even Posner, after this, accused the journalists of the "rain" of incompetence!

[Sid.74]

That's who and who didn't ask him at all, let Posner bring down the states! Together with rain, apple, human rights activists and other fighters against the "bloody regime"! There are a lot of them here nowadays "experts"! He, unlike others from the rain and the ear of Moscow, simply understands that the Nazis in the first place would have sent him to the gas chamber!

[cth; fyn]

It can be seen even for him it was too much.

[Ivan.]

Quote: cth; fyn

hundred for outrage)
Reply Citirova

You are wrong, he, like the Maidan people, uses corpses for his own purposes, even if they are his "killed" associates. It is difficult to suspect him of respect for the Russian people - Chubais is from television.

[DMB-78]

Quote: Sid.74

That’s whom and no one asked him at all, let Posner bring down the states

by the way, he lowered the Klitschko in his program below the baseboard and showed everyone what kind of opposition leader

[Sid.74]

He invited Klyachko when he only thought about politics, but it’s not like a person, he’s even discredited himself with giblets! And I think if he wasn’t uploaded by a fascist, he couldn’t take him verbally through the studio! fear of the fascists and hatred of communism and Russia.
As usual, he repeats about the Western morality and principles of democracy, he is a populist and Western propagandist! A nasty journalist!

[ed65b]

Now, according to the law of the genre, it is necessary to take the rain employees captive, judge by the military field tribunal and, ordinary in the penal battalion, the leadership in Kolyma.

[Fitter65]

It is not necessary to pollute Kolyma with any muck.

[ed65b]

Quote: Fitter65

It is not necessary to pollute Kolyma with any muck.

We haven’t been counted so much nasty things in Kalym, and they have brought benefit to the country through their work, even if these knots are sawed with a jigsaw.

[VADEL]

At the expense of fascism, they already understood. What about Americanogeyropy Do you want to check yourself DOJ di?

[awg75]

Rain must be punished and severely punished - do not like Russia, let them fall in Pendoosia or gay Europe so beloved

[Name]

But the Israelis did not like the story with the "rain" ..."In Israel, the staff of the Russian-language Channel 9, as a sign of solidarity with the Dozhd TV channel, a survey on the Holocaust. The question posed to the viewers of the World Order program was formulated as follows:" Do you think that European Jews themselves provoked the Holocaust? " The channel's website in its address to viewers noted that the poll was conducted in solidarity with Russian colleagues. "

Read full article: http://top.rbc.ru/society/01/02/2014/902839.shtml Apparently in Russia "Rain" is coming to an end ... in the near future it is clear ...

Clickable:

[Sid.74]

Quote: name

was worded as follows: “Do you think that European Jews themselves provoked the Holocaust?”.

I feel that one channel that will turn off will be more!

[SRC P-15]

Quote: name

“Do you think that European Jews themselves provoked the Holocaust?”

I would formulate the question differently: "Do you think that it was right for the Jews to hide from the Nazis? Maybe it was better to surrender to everyone at once?"

[mabuta]

Give a drought in the rain !!!!!

[Bigriver]

Quote: mabuta

Give a drought in the rain !!!!!

Sow them on.x!
The Russian service for dispersing rain clouds is considered one of the best in the world.

... To disperse the clouds, iodide silver, liquid nitrogen vapor crystals, dry ice and other components are actively used (for example, the most powerful rain clouds are affected by silver iodide, and liquid nitrogen is used against rain clouds).
http://ria.ru/spravka/20070831/75908399.html#ixzz2s4ne8t42

[ed65b]

Well, what about without the Jews, the fisherman sees the fisherman from afar. there are all their own, relatives. I can suggest to conduct the following poll as a Jew "If Hitler were a Jew, would he destroy the Germans?"

[mountain]

The "rain" allows itself a lot. I would not be surprised if I find out that the editor died, and the presenter left and did not return. Missing.

[Legacy]

Expect soon from the "rain" of sensations: well, for example, the USSR is to blame for unleashing the war, and not even on an equal footing, but to a greater extent than Germany; or that Stalin drank the blood of babies for breakfast, or something like that. The guys there work off the money they received, and it is no longer necessary to fight with the investigation, but with the cause - to cut off funding for them. In fact, a company has long been launched in the Western world to revise the results of WWII, they make black out of white, and white out of black. There history is an instrument of politics.

[cth; fyn]

EH, not that youth today. I would have burned everything with the boys for a long time!

[alone]

100% will start howling about how the rights of journalists are violated and about how the country is rolling back into the dictatorship. Is it interesting to close the channel completely was weak?

[Sid.74]

Quote: lonely

it was interesting and was the channel completely closed?

Good afternoon Of course Medvedev was weak at the opening of the channel, while the money for a loan to open a Kudrin channel and a company was allocated! Navalny spun up this channel! There are no dofig questions!

[igor.borov775]

They won’t close the rain, Now there will be fuss, then they will come up with a fine and a warning You don’t see how the figures who sympathize with these journalists calmly attach themselves to power, Mr. KUDRIN is torn to the stock exchange and of course he is held in power structures, It’s interesting while they’re messing around in one another place is urgently engaged and not weak, Liberals urgently occupy power structures just a counterbalance much poorer just statesmen much less they are under siege, We have a crappy policy,

[tochila]

Well !!! For the red flag over the Capitol !!!

[DMB-78]

Quote: tochila

Well !!! For the red flag over the Capitol !!!

for him. for the flag of VICTORY

[Old warrant officer]

Lovely, lads! As long as there are such youth in Russia, there is hope for the future! Thank you guys for this
beautiful and smart answer to traitors and provocateurs!

[nnnnnn]

Deal with your history books !!!!
A resident of Nizhny Novgorod, Elena Shadrova, published on her Facebook page and a blog on the Ekho Moskvy radio station an excerpt from a school textbook, which exactly repeats the question asked by Vitaly Dymarsky to viewers and the guest of the program, writer Viktor Erofeev. A little later, the photo of the page with this question was posted on Facebook by Andrey Goryanov from Moscow.

[lelikas]

Not entirely accurate - read carefully - How can you rate such statements ,,,? - here it is rain and appreciated.
I repeat once again - such a survey could have been, for example, in the summer, but not on the holiday of lifting the blockade.
Although, probably in vain they are removed from the air, I would have left it, only added the word "golden" to the title.

[builder74]

And what is the question? In the textbook everything is formulated correctly. Compare it with "Rain" and feel the difference.

[Enot-poloskun]

For our victory!

[Ivan.]

I do not understand at all the tendency of "scoring" by aggressive sounds of videos. They seem to have changed into Soviet uniforms, raised the banner of victory, and the music is aggressive like that of metal rockers, and one immediately remembers the "clothes" of the performers of such music, black leather with chains, rivets, hands in tattoos sometimes similar to the SS uniform, but it suggests itself - Get up a huge country, Victory Day or Varshavyanka if not real sound with comments from participants.

[delfinN]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Sid.74

It is still necessary to bring the US embassy to the state of the Reichstag in the spring of 1945

Why an embassy, ​​not a white house? there the banner will look much brighter
Although without us, soon it will be like this

Therefore, let them at least try to keep it.

[Bigriver]

Quote: svp67

..Yes, it didn’t, but it gave a gain in time, when the most combat-ready units could approach the outer ring ...

Why was this done?
I repeat. Neither the General Staff nor Kirponos EVALUATED the situation as catastrophic. There was a threat from the north of Heinz, but there were also reserves to counter it. The main thing, again I repeat, there were no reserves and overslept the turn of the second claw - Kleist.
This Ozerov, relying on Zhukovsky moire, told us a story about the short-sighted and stubborn Stalin. Type: but Zhukov then .., pre-do-wait-and-wait! ..

[Snoop]

To be historically true, according to the BODO negotiations, he shocked Stalin with a proposal to withdraw troops from near Budyonny, then he was the commander of the southwestern direction. Stalin answered that he would speak with the General Staff. Later, Stalin indicated that if the troops were withdrawn, then in several stages. First, create a rearguard, then defensive lines on the other side of the Dnieper, and then already withdraw troops. But Kirponos intervened, assured Stalin that the troops would withstand, and the topic of possible encirclement was panic. As a result, the troops remained in place, and Budyonny was dismissed for panic and sent by the commander of the Reserve Front.

[vikov]

Actually, in my opinion, the question was posed correctly, but the authorities, as usual, are not able to work out the survey material normally, draw the right conclusions and rally society on the really heroic topic of the Soviet people in the defense of Leningrad, they acted as usual - a ban, and a couple of decades later the next the generation will be terribly surprised and ask: Did someone defend the city?

[lelikas]

Quote: vikov

Actually, in my opinion the question was posed correctly, but the authorities, as usual, are not capable of normal ....

The survey itself, in principle, could have the right to exist, but not on this day!
They will conduct a survey on May 9 — who killed more people — Hitler or Stalin?

[Greenwood]

It's simple, the hero city of Leningrad is no longer there, there is St. Petersburg, the victorious country (which, as you know, is not judged), the USSR is also gone. In the current liberal-democratic Russia, hauling everything Soviet has become fashionable, which is why they stubbornly lubricate Victory.

[lelikas]

Quote: S-200

And let's take Paris, Prague, Amsterdam - occupied by the Germans ...

-How many French are required for the defense of Paris?
- No one knows.
-Why?
- And they have never succeeded .....

Who liberated Paris? And who would liberate our cities? The second front freed - would?
With the fall of Leningrad — the whole Northwest — Murmansk, Arkhangelsk — fell, supplies from the Allies were covered, the liberated parts of the Germans calmly went to Moscow.
There was a war to destroy us as a nation — the French absolutely didn’t have anyone to lie under — they didn’t touch them, but they simply killed us.

[31231]

I appeal to the moderators. Track IPs. There is a suspicion that they open the boxes and go into other people's profiles. The S-200 user does not behave quite adequately, although he did not notice him before.

[Greenwood]

Pff, change external IP times to spit. Go through the proxy is also a small effort.

[31231]

And here is the proxy ?! A person sits with one or three permanent IPs. As soon as a new one appears, alertness immediately arises. Especially with inappropriate behavior.
And it is foolish to play anonymity to a normal user.

[series]

Quote: 31231

The S-200 user does not behave quite adequately, although he did not notice him before.

just don’t jump from the balcony ...
I have an opinion different from your "approvals"

[ZIS]

Then one ghoul wound up, stupid like a cork and fucking liberal ... He does not know that the victory goes to the one who can offer the highest price for it. He thinks that the defense of Kiev was in vain. He does not know that Napoleon was also advancing in three directions, only he didn’t turn to Kiev, just like Hitler at 41 and took Moscow, and then he drafted right up to the city of Paris. But it’s interesting what Hitler would do in cold weather in Moscow when the Red Army was not defeated with the fall of the capital, and the powerful South-Western Front looms from the south, and the Donbass industry works at full capacity for the USSR ...

[cth; fyn]

And what would the Soviet leadership do when, after the fall of Moscow, Japan would enter the active phase of the war, would supplies from the USA and Tuva cease?

[Dart2027]

Wintering in the city or wintering in the field - what's the difference?

[kush62]

hoisted the Victory Banner. well done! The shaft would still attach them koi-kudy ...

[plague_veliky]

The banner must be glued on the foreheads of the Dozhd leadership!

[sinukvl]

People who I think up, approve and broadcast various variations on the theme "Maybe it was better to surrender Leningrad?", "Maybe the Nazis would have won better?" and the like, you need to deprive of citizenship and expel from Russia, because the one who throws mud at the country in which he was born and raised, as well as those thanks to whom he was born at all (I mean the WWII veterans who broke the back of the fascist creature, and not the parents of these moral freaks, especially since in most cases the parents of such personalities, if it came out with accuracy on their questions, would be quickly shot by the Nazis as persons of Jewish nationality) are not worthy to be a citizen of Russia.

[amicus]

Quote: ZIS

Then one ghoul wound up, dumb as a cork and fucking liberal ...

I agree, at the expense of the liberal ghoul ... !! Guys, why "throw beads" in front of him?
These liberals still have nothing to prove! They live in their own reality.
And they say the same thing as a carbon copy .. Just spit in his face ..!

[vikov]

Quote: lelikas

The survey itself, in principle, could have the right to exist, but not on this day!
They will conduct a survey on May 9 — who killed more people — Hitler or Stalin?

In a war, as in a war, there will still be one, and until such a date is celebrated by officials, and will not become a national holiday.

[Bigriver]

Quote: vikov

... In war, as in war, or will it still be, and until then while officials will celebrate such a date, but will not be a national holiday.

Come here on May 9th. We will hang you on our "bureaucratic" duty.

[vikov]

I doubt you are from the breed of Victory celebrators, i.e. not in a Christian way, to repay a debt to those who deserve that Victory and to remember the fallen, you will celebrate, respectively, no longer capable of it.

[Alex 241]

Quote: vikov

I doubt you are from the breed of Victory celebrators, i.e. not in a Christian way, to repay a debt to those who deserve that Victory and to remember the fallen, you will celebrate, respectively, no longer capable of it.

You are in my opinion an alien!

[lelikas]

Quote: Alex 241

You are in my opinion an alien!

no, they don't look like that - it's just a little troll.

[Alex 241]

I welcome Alexei, but I constantly confuse them!

[smile]

Bigriver
No, we don’t need such garbage on Victory Day here ... why?

[Power]

Fifth Column - Fifth Corner. That would be the case with Medvedev and his accomplices.

[Black]

Quote: S-200

Victory should not be at ANY price!

Alexander .... But doesn’t it seem to you that if we had not fought for the Victory at all costs, would it not have existed?
They would retreat at 41, they would surrender Leningrad, they would surrender Moscow, they would not have recaptured Stalingrad .... You didn’t think, how would star-strip, small-British act like then ?? And nippons, would they stay at the borders?
You are wrong, however.

[delfinN]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: S-200

And let's take Paris, Prague, Amsterdam - occupied by the Germans ...

-How many French are required for the defense of Paris?
- No one knows.
-Why?
- And they have never succeeded .....

Who liberated Paris? And who would liberate our cities? The second front freed - would?
With the fall of Leningrad — the whole Northwest — Murmansk, Arkhangelsk — fell, supplies from the Allies were covered, the liberated parts of the Germans calmly went to Moscow.
There was a war to destroy us as a nation — the French absolutely didn’t have anyone to lie under — they didn’t touch them, but they simply killed us.

[Ossetian.]

GOOD FELLOWS !!! THERE WAS ONLY ANOTHER STALIN'S PORTRAIT TO GRAB. It would be absolutely gorgeous !!!!

[128mgb]

Well done boys! And those who raised the banner, and those who lowered the "two hundredth".

[dmb]

The most curious of the comments of this of course the 200th gentleman. Not content. It is not much different from the delights of the notorious "Rain", Podrabinek, Gozman and Romanova, and therefore not interesting. Another thing is interesting. The aforementioned public is the entire Moscow get-together, which, if anyone is branded, is solely out of materialistic considerations. Of course, we can assume that some crumbs from foreign funding, slipping past Alekseeva's spider legs, settled in Chelyabinsk, but it's hard to believe, granny is nimble and will not miss her. But where did my (hereinafter all assumptions come from the text of the comments) peer, such hatred of the Soviet power, really interesting. After all, all his reasoning about the "incorrectness of the defense of Leningrad and Kiev" is based only on the fact that she was led by the oaths of the commies, and if a liberal professor were on the throne, "we would have immediately given them ..." His education seems to be higher, in he studied at the Soviet school. Both his and my grandfather did not return from the war, and the children remained the same and widows lived in the village, but he must have even told us about German humanism in his hatred. This is despite the fact that we, thank God, did not have the USE, the film "Ordinary Fascism" was not on the shelf. This I mean that the process of educating a person in a new society is a long matter, and on this path mistakes and deviations are possible. Now we have retreated almost like to Stalingrad, or even further, but I believe that we will go forward anyway, and then from the slippery ones, like the 200th gentleman, it is worth constantly remembering.

[DMB-78]

Quote: dmb

It’s me that the process of educating a person in a new society is a long process,

and then what to take with the Americans? there they are sure that it was they, the British and the French, who won the Second World War. I talked with one such in the internet. and I am sure that it’s the Soviet Union that dropped atomic bombs on their cities. but here we come from where come from ??????

[VladimS]

I don’t know what to say about this. the adequacy is so different, are not afraid. that you for someone may not be adequate?
There is a law, there is a court - this should be at the head of everything.

It’s certainly a court, but in the laws of everything you can’t write an absolute letter, no matter how high-quality it is.
There is still ethical standards and respect ... And even more so, the feat of older generations in V.O.V.

[PValery53]

Of course, the Dozhd TV channel should not only be disconnected from the networks, but also receive a more capacious "enema" for its enemy intrigues. Publicly whip the guilty in the square! - Liberators are worthless!

[Ivan.]

Quote: PValery53

Of course, the Dozhd TV channel should not only be disconnected from the networks, but also receive a more capacious "enema" for its enemy intrigues. Publicly whip the guilty in the square! - Liberators are worthless!

This will not give anything, only state policy in this matter can make a difference. Remove all povinid-pizhners from microphones and start a full-scale campaign to cover in the media all the controversial moments of our history and, first of all, slandered. This will deprive the liberals of maneuver and expose their essence.

[Victor-M]

This liberal, swampy mold is trying to veil its rotten insides and purposeful provocations against our people, with grandiloquent words, such as "in the name of salvation ...", pretending to be virtue itself. As one of these swamp slugs from "Rain" put it, that the ban on broadcasting this to.analthey get in the way of doing business. Here it is.

[Criceta]

And what, is it really not clear that Dozhd has problems not because of the survey, but because of raids on the dachas of officials, because of the fear of the authorities that during the Olympics they will start to drain the negative about this event ??? At first, right after the poll, it was still possible to believe that the threats of shutdown were somehow connected with the issue of the blockade, but now, looking at what is happening and at the statements of the management of NTV + and Beeline that shutdown was "strongly recommended" from Moscow mayor's office, no doubt about it. Another order to clean up the media space in front of Sochi, and the blockade, questions about it, the degree of correctness of these questions - very few people care about it. Very well the question was asked by "Rain" unsuccessful - a pun
I’m sure that right after the Olympics, the channel will work for all operators who have turned it off now, and as compensation, probably for new ones)))

[Criceta]

It seems everyone has already agreed

The Prosecutor General can check the operators who turned off the "Rain"
http://top.rbc.ru/spb_sz/31/01/2014/902761.shtml

[Bigriver]

Quote: Сriceta

And what, is it really not clear that Dozhd has problems not because of the survey, but because of the raids on the dachas of officials, because of the fear of the authorities ...))

Why invent and conjecture something? Read the site editor of Rain Klishin. He writes that the poll was removed after it became clear that society misunderstood him. That is, the main cause of the collision is an uncivilized, barbaric society that does not recognize universal human values, the focus of which is the Dozhd shopping mall.

[kaktus]

Maybe they should look for another people ???

[denkastro]

It’s not necessary to talk with this cattle conversations, but to drive a macroflex into their point. Then I would have looked at how they would roll a barrel on our long-suffering people with disproportionate support. It seems that the children of traitors cannot find peace there.

[Criceta]

Judging by the flight of thought, are you working at a construction site?

Quote: denkastro

talk to this cattle

Are they "rain" workers? Yes?

[siberalt]

[quote = atalef] I do not support the statement of Rain - generally the channel is left. delusional and it seems to me (my personal opinion is frankly dumb) Some kind of cheap provocation is stupid, just stupid - especially on such a day,

Yes, no dear. The channel is just far from left, but with its own goal-setting, and with "zapadenskaya" recharge. And ideologically aimed at corrupting youth and the collapse of Russia. Therefore, it is openly hostile. In addition, he became insolent that he did not see the banks.

[Nevyatoy]

It is gratifying that in Russia the majority (the vast majority) are so jealous of the exploits of our grandfathers (and of course grandmothers too). Against this background, I’m not afraid of this word, unanimity, it’s very disappointing to see what the brothers Ukrainians have brought their country to, where fascist henchmen of the Great Patriotic War are (officially) recognized as national heroes. Gave the gouges independence to play, and that's the result of fascist rot on the Maidan in the city of Kiev, with the portraits of Bandera dancing. And they are sitting in huts instead of throwing them out of there, justifying themselves by the fact that they want to save the country, they do not want a civil war. A penny worth such a country.

PS Sorry for being distracted from the topic, but the difference with which the two nations participating in the Great Patriotic War relate to their history is too evident.

[Old warrant officer]

It is VERY pity that TYPE OF PUNISHMENT AS A CIVIL EXECUTION IS NOT A PERFORMANCE TODAY - one of the types of dishonorable punishment in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. Her rite consisted in public humiliation of the punished with the refraction of a sword over his head in a sign of deprivation of all rights of the state (ranks, estate privileges, property rights, parental, etc.). WITH PLEASURE I WOULD APPLY THIS TYPE OF PUNISHMENT TO ALL THIS SCHOOL FROM RAIN AND OTHER LIBEROID STEPS!

[kaktus]

Yes you! For liberoids, this will be free PR! As they say - even spit in the eye, but they are "dew of God."

[Keeper]

All these are pro-Western attempts to bite and weaken the patriotism of the Great Country!
We have a trump card up our sleeve: if someday Russia gets really hard and needs help, the people will call out to reunite the USSR and all the former republics reunite (they have long agreed, even despite their presidential apparatus, who would like to keep their seats. Russia is simply silent so far, apparently the time has not come ...).
As for "Dozhd", it is a pity that the channel has not yet realized their mistake and has not apologized !!!!!

[Keeper]

and in general, in the most democratic state (America) there is a death penalty! I am for DEMOCRACY - even if the death penalty is introduced in our country so that we do not lag behind the West)))

[brelok]

Quote: atalef

in any state where zn of these realtors is performed malomalski, in court they would not only be forced to reconnect. but to pay compensation

DO NOT GRAB! THEY AGREEMENT WITH Tricolor AFTER A MONTH ENDS. Tricolor TODAY DOESN’T WANT TO EXTEND AFTER THIS!

[Duke]

The medal “For the Defense of Leningrad” was awarded to all participants in the defense of Leningrad:

military personnel of units, formations and institutions of the Red Army, Navy and NKVD troops, which actually participated in the defense of the city;
workers, employees and other civilians who participated in hostilities to protect the city, contributed to the defense of the city by their dedicated work in enterprises, institutions, participated in the construction of defensive structures, in air defense, in the protection of public utilities, and in the fight against fires from enemy air raids, in the organization and maintenance of transport and communications, in the organization of public catering, supplies and cultural and public services for the population, in the care of the sick and wounded, in the organization of Ode for children and other activities on the defense of the city.

[Bene valete]

Quote: Keeper

All these are pro-Western attempts to bite and weaken the patriotism of the Great Country!
We have a trump card up our sleeve: if someday Russia gets really hard and needs help, the people will call out to reunite the USSR and all the former republics reunite (they have long agreed, even despite their presidential apparatus, who would like to keep their seats. Russia is simply silent so far, apparently the time has not come ...).
As for "Dozhd", it is a pity that the channel has not yet realized their mistake and has not apologized !!!!!

I’ll just add a small postscript! Be careful with former and fraternal ones... Oh, there were so many “brotherly” around the neck of the Russian people (by Russian people I mean Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian), and even now there are no less, we may not be able to pull it off... !!!

[parus2nik]

Only so, not otherwise

[Semenov]

Leningrad, in principle, could not be taken, because it was originally built as a fortress throughout its history - the opinion of a famous traitor-pseudo-historian, but there is something in it. In addition, the city produced the most powerful KV tanks, small arms and artillery weapons, etc. Stalin expressed bewilderment to Zhdanov about the lack of weapons and panic. Regarding "Rain" - the liberals have their own story, the rest of the people have theirs. And “Rain” for the first time stuck out with its history of Rus' for everyone to see. They shut up according to their merits; it’s bad that they didn’t give the most active “activists” and patrons a deadline. Now the lesson will be understood by all sorts of Echoes of Mokva and the well-known individual detractors of folk history.

[alpenstock]

Ha! lies are probably indignant about this)

[Altona]

Quote: atalef

This is the only effective solution within the framework of the law, you, as a consumer, think so. what you pay for does not meet your moral criteria (you and thousands of other consumers)

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In general, this hype always creates unnecessary PR, especially for such an insignificant networking resource as Dozhd... I somehow sinfully wanted to watch the “opposition” media, especially since Sobchak tried to make “revolutionary” programs with her “charisma”. .So what? All their “protest” was blown away in 5th gear (a direct analogy with a car))) ...By and large, this channel does not deserve such wide attention, especially since “glamorous” characters who know more about the weather voted on it in Goa than about the war... And the question could have been posed more broadly: “Should the Martians have intervened in World War II on the side of the USSR?”

[vvp2412]

When this shit channel burns down along with all its guests, I will light a candle in the church!

[stranik72]

Quote: Сriceta

Oh, the patriotic fantasies raced. That's just, unfortunately, in life everything is exactly the opposite. Instead of the capitol, the Kremlin, and the American banner ...

In fact it is. Russia is allowed to yap a little and nothing more. A country, no matter how much the local office “heroes-patriots” would like it, does not have the right to store its own gold and foreign exchange reserves on its territory, is completely dependent on the West for medicines, electronics for food security and cellular communications and much more, in principle, it means little in geopolitics. It seems that the USA and the EBN at the time of the collapse of the USSR agreed on the “boundaries of our independence” to give the appearance of the presence of another force in the world, so to speak, “the democratic development of world civilization,” but the leash is a little short. And in order to get rid of it, it is necessary to change, first of all, economic policy and move away from the ideology of everyone being for sale, all this must be done together and very quickly, otherwise the Euro-swamps will crush us, just as they basically crushed Ukraine.

[akreworpa]

Quote: domokl

Quote: S-200

PS Come on pseudo-patriots ...
WHO of you is now ready for starvation for the sake of the symbol of a new Russia, a step forward!

You ask this question to special forces soldiers who are now dying, injuring themselves for the sake of this newest Russia ... And believe me, they don’t always eat even once a day. I think they don’t go to death because of the long ruble and not for rewards ...

Oh and s-200. In August 1996, we received 200 grams of water per day. And not because I loved the moron Yeltsin, but because I fought for my Motherland. If I could see this bitch live, I would cut her heartily.

[denkastro]

[quote=denkastro]talk to this bastard[/quote]
Are they "rain" workers? Yes? [/quote]It’s them. Their butts are itchy again. Apparently it’s hereditary.

[moskal68]

Digital October is a stronghold of hipsters. Who are hipsters anyway? Why is there such a fuss around them and Rain? Well, talk nonsense in the Rain - just look at these lamers who call themselves journalists. Peskov and Senkevich are tired of turning over in their graves. They would have taken it and stupidly cut their funding and this rain would have died quietly and peacefully. And these publications, angry letters and articles only create advertising for them.

[MahsusNazar]

Quote: atalef

There are two organizations - the Court and the Committee on TV and Radio Broadcasting. As I understand it, there is no corpus delicti (according to the prosecutor’s office). Then the Committee on TV and Radio Broadcasting can apply sanctions to the channel, but it remains silent. Then a very simple question - who are these realtors - why turn off the channel?

They are not officials, so they simply broke the contract with these “rainies” on their heads. There is no abuse, but there is a civil position of management. As for the rest, I agree, the dictatorship of the law comes first.

[Pehmore]

Thank you to the Leningraders for their tenacity and heroism. Eternal memory to those who died during the siege from hunger and disease. Thank you for, at the cost of your lives, not allowing the fascist infection to spread. Thank you to today's St. Petersburgers for not forgetting the memory of their fathers and giving no less decisive rebuff to those who questions the feat of his people

[veteran56]

I looked at the editorial staff of Dozhd, a restless bunch. Apparently they can’t realize themselves, so they decided to promote their channel in this way. They need to be squashed like cockroaches! They drive Sobchak wherever possible, so they warmed her up on this channel. Only this fact characterizes this channel as a refuge for all kinds of s.....y.