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If Ukraine suddenly collapses: geopolitical fantasy

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If Ukraine suddenly collapses: geopolitical fantasyFor a start - a little stories.


In the 1939 year, as a result of the German-Polish war, Poland lost Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. These territories were ceded to the USSR. At the same time, the lands of Western Ukraine became part of the Ukrainian SSR, and those of Western Belorussia were transferred to the BSSR

In 1945, the Yalta Conference raised the issue of the borders of the Polish state. The great powers, the USSR, the USA and Great Britain, decided to compensate the territorial losses of Poland in the east, at the expense of the lands of Nazi Germany in the west, to hand over to it also the free Hanseatic city of Danzig and part of Prussia.

With the collapse of the current Square with a high degree of probability, the Crimea, the East and the South will retreat under the protectorate of the Russian Federation. And Galicia sooner or later will become part of Poland as its historical part. This fact will enable the FRG to demand a revision of its eastern borders, since the Helsinki agreement on the inviolability of borders in Europe has long been trampled upon by all. Germany will never give up their ancestral lands. This is evidenced by at least the fact of the presence in it of mass so-called revanchist organizations demanding the return of these lands, Silesia, for example.

The question is: can the FRG force Poland, in the scenario of the collapse of Ukraine described above, to give up their historic lands? Answer: a rhetorical question. Of course, he can, especially if this topic starts to strenuously pedal everywhere and everywhere.

Another question: who can protect Poland from the claims of Germany? The answer is obvious: seemingly the United States. But here is not so simple. Is it because of the claims of Poland to Eastern European hegemony to question the integrity of NATO? From here, by the way, the roots of the so-called Eastern Partnership program are growing. Take the wrong step and push Germany to the Russian Federation? Or do as in the case of Cyprus? But then, I don’t even want to dream, NATO is in any case the end, and the FRG is a new center of power and simply an accomplished hegemon in Europe. All "send" the United States and sworn to the new owner. At the same time, the RF position in Kaliningrad / Königsberg is quite strong. Our land has not increased. Kaliningrad has departed to us by the right of the strong - for an undeclared, not provoked war, unlike Poland. And we are a nuclear power.

But who can support the Federal Republic of Germany in Eastern Europe is Hungary. In 1940, Romania has cut off a big chunk of territory. Well, respectively, the Russian Federation, in exchange for the Russian-German symbiosis. The Germans do not forget that we are a nuclear power, and they won, but also the fact that in fact we allowed them to unite.

Having fantasized in this vein, one can understand why the Russian president is calm, why Poland is suddenly silent, why the US is threatening sanctions not only for the authorities of Ukraine, but also for the opposition, why Yanukovych has not subscribed to this damn association. Why, finally, under any Ukrainian government, Ukraine will not be allowed to fall apart. Until…

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  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 31 January 2014 15: 47
    +15
    God forbid, Ukraine will fall apart, no matter how some Crimea would like.
    1. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx 31 January 2014 16: 07
      +4
      I totally agree.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 31 January 2014 16: 16
        +45
        Quote: Vladimirets
        God forbid Ukraine will fall apart, no matter how some Crimea would like

        May God grant that Ukraine breaks up! We need not only Crimea, but also the South and East. And let the jackals take the fuck. Only so soon!
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 31 January 2014 16: 27
          +15
          Quote: almost demobilized
          May God grant that Ukraine breaks up! We need not only Crimea, but also the South and East. And let the jackals take the fuck. Only so soon!

          There can be no peaceful disintegration of Ukraine, there will be a civil massacre, practically here. Then the introduction of peacekeepers under the auspices of the decorative UN, can you guess where they will come from? As a result, no one will ever recognize the joining of even a square kilometer of Ukraine to Russia, and we are losing a difficult, problematic, touchy, but still a sibling. Acquiring indistinct complex territory under my heart. It was called "empire strikes back" in the famous film, didn't it work (yet) in Syria? Receive, sign at your home. Wolves walk in circles, biting the bear there, as far as they can reach. It's a pity there is no leader in Ukraine.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 31 January 2014 17: 02
            +5
            Quote: Vladimirets
            There can be no peaceful collapse of Ukraine, there will be a civil massacre,

            Maybe. But here you need to consider the Chinese factor.
            Why? China's lease of land in the Dnipropetrovsk, Kherson, Kirovograd regions of 3 million hectares of arable land, 160 thousand hectares in the Crimea, along with the coastal zone for the construction of the port. The Xinjiang Production and Construction Building will be engaged in these projects. And this excuse part of the PLA, totals 2,5 , XNUMX million people.
            1. densh
              densh 31 January 2014 17: 15
              +17
              Quote: baltika-18
              But here you need to consider the Chinese factor.

              Amersk marines promised us little, so for complete happiness we will get the Chinese wooed. As if it weren’t boring anyway. what
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 31 January 2014 17: 34
                +7
                Quote: densh
                Amersk marines promised us little, so for complete happiness we will be wooed by the Chinese.

                Questions to Yanukovych. The memorandum was signed at the Ukrainian-Chinese business forum in Beijing. From the Ukrainian side Kievgidroinvest, Mazyuk, from the Chinese company BICIM of the billionaire Wang Jing. This is for Crimea. immeasurably.
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 31 January 2014 17: 35
                  +6
                  Well, there I think the adult uncles from the Russian Federation and China will resolve the issue. Nenya has nothing to do with it.
              2. Basarev
                Basarev 31 January 2014 18: 13
                .
                Kill them! Kill them all! Let's start with the Anglo-Saxons. We cut out one and all, cleansing the Earth of corruption. And then we will take up the Chinese. Right up to substandard.
                1. densh
                  densh 31 January 2014 18: 16
                  +20
                  Quote: Basarev
                  Kill them! Kill them all! Let's start with the Anglo-Saxons.

                  If it was not irony, then Saturn will no longer be poured. But where are we going to bury them? belay
                2. alone
                  alone 31 January 2014 19: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Basarev
                  Kill them! Kill them all! Let's start with the Anglo-Saxons. We cut out one and all, cleansing the Earth of corruption. And then we will take up the Chinese. Right up to substandard.


                  Just kill carefully, you can tear your stomach. Arseny, don’t be offended, but I advise you to turn to a psychologist. Cutting down everyone means killing all women, children, old people. You are mentally unhealthy! fool
                  1. Basarev
                    Basarev 31 January 2014 19: 52
                    +9
                    Our democratic friends still continue to kill us all. And they reassure themselves with the hope that they will soon succeed and the Russians will no longer remain. So what kind of wind should I be compassionate to this evil?
                    What Anglo-Saxons do all over the world does not deserve a single indulgence. Having made war crimes the basis of their economies, the Anglo-Saxons automatically lost the right to regret. The only true dialogue with them is lead lines.
                    1. VADEL
                      VADEL 31 January 2014 20: 30
                      +3
                      Have you fought? Did you use "lead" bursts?
                  2. 0505725545
                    0505725545 31 January 2014 21: 32
                    +5
                    Believe me, it doesn’t work out differently, only the total destruction of the Galician cattle. You simply have not read the current history textbooks, let alone talk to them.
                    1. VADEL
                      VADEL 31 January 2014 22: 51
                      +2
                      only the total destruction of the Galician cattle

                      Children? Mothers, fathers, relatives? RAVE!
                      1. uhjpysq1
                        uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 23: 09
                        -3
                        all polls! all their filthy tribe! so that new geeks do not grow !!
                      2. VADEL
                        VADEL 1 February 2014 00: 22
                        +1
                        Then I can advise you to watch a cartoon about Vinipuha, sleep and listen
                  3. housekeeper
                    housekeeper 1 February 2014 18: 41
                    +3
                    Believe me, it doesn’t work out differently, only the total destruction of the Galician cattle. You simply have not read the current history textbooks, let alone talk to them.

                    Believe me too, for 2 years of military service (92-94) I talked with representatives of the Ivano-Frankivsk region. Quite normal people. Yes, with their cockroaches in my head, but who is without them? And when they clashed with the "grandfathers", it was not a fellow countryman from the Nikolaev region who stood next to him. and not a Crimean but "Galicia". And we talked quite friendly, and shared a piece of bread, and you all at once under the knife. It is necessary to destroy those who purposefully brainwash the population of Western Ukraine.
              3. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 31 January 2014 21: 52
                +2
                Quote: Basarev
                Kill them! Kill them all! Let's start with the Anglo-Saxons. We cut out one and all, cleansing the Earth of corruption. And then we will take up the Chinese. Right up to substandard.


                Where is Zhirinovsky No. Just wanted to wash my boots laughing
              4. Novik
                Novik 1 February 2014 03: 51
                +3
                Well, as I understand it, the irony.
                Although, while reading some historical documents (?) (Including the Old Testament), well, or thin literature is Guy Julius Orlovsky (about sacred conquerors' knightly law, when everyone who took up arms was mercilessly killed and women were raped without fail, including harpies laughing )
                But there he also writes that such methods, thanks to the Church, should no longer be allowed, and should be rejected by every modern person.
                It’s easier to roll downhill to the animal state. So back to the ritual eating of the liver of enemies.

                I agree with the opinion of the author of the article "If Ukraine suddenly falls apart: geopolitical fantasy."
              5. Konsmo
                Konsmo 1 February 2014 03: 57
                +1
                You are cruel. Substandard jam usually goes. fellow
                1. Basarev
                  Basarev 1 February 2014 13: 12
                  0
                  The Chinese were not more merciful to our Vietnamese friends, like to us on Damansky Island.
              6. Hug
                Hug 1 February 2014 05: 15
                +1
                Re .: Basarev
                Kill them! Kill them all! Let's start with the Anglo-Saxons. We cut out one and all, cleansing the Earth of corruption. And then we will take up the Chinese. Right up to substandard.


                If someone is bad, it does not mean that others are also "not good"
                In an acute attack of schizophrenic psychosis, the first manifestation of psychosis should be correctly assessed first.

                In cases where the patient is in a state of psychomotor agitation, if he is tense, aggressive, hostile, etc., the primary task of the psychiatrist is to quickly reassure the patient, to make him safe for others as soon as possible, to prevent possible suicide attempts, and then include it in the life of the department.

                Paranoid schizophrenia
                Hebephrenic schizophrenia
                F20.2 Catatonic schizophrenia
                F20.4 Post schizophrenic depression
                F20.5 Residual schizophrenia
                F20.9 Schizophrenia, unspecified

                A source:
                1. Novik
                  Novik 1 February 2014 05: 33
                  +1

                  If someone is bad, it does not mean that others are also "not good"
                  In an acute attack of schizophrenic psychosis, the first manifestation of psychosis should be correctly assessed first.

                  In cases where the patient is in a state of psychomotor agitation, if he is tense, aggressive, hostile, etc., the primary task of the psychiatrist is to quickly reassure the patient, to make him safe for others as soon as possible, to prevent possible suicide attempts, and then include it in the life of the department.

                  Paranoid schizophrenia
                  Hebephrenic schizophrenia
                  F20.2 Catatonic schizophrenia
                  F20.4 Post schizophrenic depression
                  F20.5 Residual schizophrenia
                  F20.9 Schizophrenia, unspecified

                  Apparently, you are not well versed in the problems of modern psychiatry.
                  Schizophrenia, as a diagnosis, a disease, in the modern world, among specialists, raises many questions. laughing winked
                  Only by decision of the commission on the basis of the studied analyzes.
                  1. Hug
                    Hug 1 February 2014 05: 50
                    +1
                    Re .: Novik
                    "... you know little about the problems of modern psychiatry ...."


                    You are right, therefore a specialist consultation is needed here. I am not a specialist in psychiatry, but an engineer. Sorry for the man - disappears. Listened to the poor fellow Kiselev and Zhirinovsky. request
                    1. Novik
                      Novik 1 February 2014 06: 08
                      +1
                      There’s just another term
                      "Soviet schizophrenia"
                      In 1999, Russia switched to the classification of diseases ICD-10 [37], which has been in use in WHO member countries since 1994 [38], in which the term “sluggish schizophrenia” is absent [8], but in an adapted version prepared by the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation , "Forms that in the domestic version of ICD-9 qualify as low-grade or sluggish schizophrenia," are still mentioned under the heading "schizotypal disorder" indicating that their diagnosis requires additional symptoms. "

                      There was a time, (can a Soviet person reason like that?) All other thinkers who disagree with the Party’s decision, and especially the last plenum of the Central Committee, were sent for compulsory treatment.
                      Maybe so. smile
                      Maybe the comrades were on the right track, but only, at one time, they did not have time to deepen and expand?
                    2. Novik
                      Novik 1 February 2014 06: 38
                      +1
                      To be honest, then, it seems, no one is to blame, the times were like that.
                      You read "Young Witches" (I do not advise you at night), there is complete expanse there, and dummy actors in fireplaces (chimneys) howled, depicting "evil spirits" and other devilish forces, burned redheads, for being redheads, women, presto because they are beautiful and can lead with the temptation
                      Scary ...
                      - The Creator, Creator, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Jesus, Virgin Mary (common people, also didn’t know who and how to pray properly), save us and our children from repeating this ...
                      It is scary when fanatics come to power.
                      It is terrible and terrible, and similar mistakes should not be repeated any more.
                    3. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 1 February 2014 06: 57
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                      Quote: Novik
                      There was a time (can a Soviet person reason like that?) all differently thinkingwho did not agree with the decision of the Party, and especially the last plenum of the Central Committee, were sent for compulsory treatment.

                      You, of course, will name tsifiri. And then all the "psychos" can be recorded as dissenters.
                    4. Novik
                      Novik 1 February 2014 07: 21
                      0
                      You, of course, will name tsifiri. And then all the "psychos" can be recorded as dissenters.

                      There is a standard answer.
                      - "Yandex-Google" to help.
                      If I give you ready-made links, you will accuse of fraud.
                      - I appreciate your time, but - try it yourself, do not be lazy.
                      Find.
                      And about sluggish (Soviet) schizophrenia.
                      Maybe from the archives of the KGB you will find detailed (confirming) lists of "official dissidents" (otherwise everyone can cling to the glory of "heroes", that's right, I approve - it was not on the lists, it means not a dissident, and not an enemy, but a sexot, or maybe a hero , but twice, here (on this side of good and evil) and there (on the other side of evil and good)), who underwent compulsory treatment
                      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0


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                      Casuistry.
                      And also, show me a certificate that you are not a latent bugger
                    5. Novik
                      Novik 1 February 2014 08: 24
                      0
                      - as I understand it, the main shading, by the word "all".
                      But as far as I remember, at that time, there was a general "approval".

                      Maybe not all, someone, thanks to personal ties, bribery, bribe, was able to avoid
                      Yes, I probably would also like to know.
                      But, I know one thing, they were communists.
                      Tell me at least one last name, who, at that time, having reached the heights of power, was not a communist?
                      All were Communists, and before that, they were Komsomol members, for immediately becoming a communist, bypassing the Komsomol, it was possible in 20-30, or having received the Hero of the Soviet Union, or 3 Orders of Glory (?)
                      "Communist" is the path to the top, the highest power.
                      They went into battle, to death, saying, "I am leaving, please consider me a communist."
                      An interesting question, who was a communist, but was included in the list of dissidents, while, without undergoing compulsory treatment, from the "Soviet" sluggish schizophrenia, and sailed on a white ship to the enemies. recourse
                      Dear, name your last name.
                    6. Novik
                      Novik 1 February 2014 08: 43
                      0
                      - "Trotsky and the Legend of the Ice Ax" laughing
                      - I don’t have any other options (for ears drawn), yet ... request
                    7. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 1 February 2014 09: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Novik
                      An interesting question, who was communist, but included in the list of dissidents, while not undergoing compulsory treatment, from "Soviet" sluggish schizophrenia, and sailed away on a white ship to the enemies. recourse
                      Dear, name your last name.

                      Wrong question. Communist dissident. But there is an answer. You can even have a whole list. Gorbachev, Shevarnadze, Yeltsin and others ....
                    8. Novik
                      Novik 1 February 2014 12: 37
                      0
                      Quote: There was a mammoth
                      Wrong question. Communist dissident. But there is an answer. You can even have a whole list. Gorbachev, Shevarnadze, Yeltsin and others

                      I agree.
                      smile
                    9. Novik
                      Novik 1 February 2014 13: 07
                      0
                      Agree if you use "dissidents"
                      "You can even have a whole list. Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin and others ...." - as a synonym for the word "radish".
                      Dissidents in the USSR
                      In the 1960s, the term "dissident" was used to refer to representatives of the opposition movement in the USSR and Eastern Europe, which (as opposed to the anti-Soviet and anti-communist movements of the previous period) did not try to use violent means against the Soviet system and Marxist ideology, but appealed to Soviet laws and officially proclaimed values ​​[2] [3]. The term was first used in the West, and then by the dissenters themselves - at first, perhaps in jest, but then quite seriously. Depending on who exactly used this word, it could acquire different connotations.

                      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%E8%F1%F1%E8%E4%E5%ED%F2%FB_%E2_%D1%D1%D1%D0
                      DISSIDENTS in the USSR, a term applied to Soviet citizens who openly opposed the actions of the authorities or showed other social activity that was not authorized by the authorities.
                      It is customary to lead the history of dissident activity from the “deed” of A. D. Sinyavsky and Yu. M. Daniel. The arrest in 1965 of two Moscow writers for publishing their works in the West provoked the first widespread public protest campaign. Even before the trial, on December 5, 1965, the first human rights rally in Soviet history was held on Pushkin Square in Moscow, demanding the publicity of their trial. The trial, held in February 1966, raised a new wave of protest - this time in the form of individual or collective petitions sent to Soviet party, state and judicial bodies. The young journalist A.I. Ginzburg compiled a documentary collection dedicated to the case of Sinyavsky and Daniel, which was soon published abroad; followed by the arrest of Ginzburg himself and three other dissidents. The protests against the arrests led to new repressions, but also to a new surge in dissident activity.
                      Since 1968, petition campaigns have shifted to a new quality: protesters have appealed not only to Soviet official bodies, but also to public opinion, demanding respect for human rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the USSR. Moscow activists of the protest movement poured a stream of messages about a wide variety of cases of violation of these rights. Based on these materials, a special typewritten newsletter “The Chronicle of Current Events” began to be published (the first issue of the Chronicle is dated April 1, 30, and the last, 1968th, in October 64). With the advent of the Chronicle, protests quickly acquired the features of a public human rights movement.
                      The topic of human rights protests has been constantly expanding. Already in 1967-1972, Moscow human rights defenders cover such problems as the situation of political prisoners in the USSR; the struggle of "repressed peoples" for their rights; persecution of believers; prosecution for attempts at political activity; freedom of emigration from the USSR. Moscow human rights defenders have established close information ties with activists of national movements in Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Armenia, and Georgia. Foreign policy did not go beyond their attention: one of the most striking speeches of human rights defenders - the "demonstration of seven" - on Red Square on August 25, 1968, immediately after the invasion of the Warsaw Pact countries in Czechoslovakia.

                      http://megabook.ru/article/%D0%94%D0%98%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%98%D0%94%D0%95%D0%9D%D0%A

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                      And then there was (?) "A whole white steamer of dissidents" sent to the USA smile
                    10. Novik
                      Novik 1 February 2014 16: 38
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                      Yeah, I got it (?)
                      Probably, this is not about the Communists, but about those who lost their guiding lines.
                      Here you remember (?), Think (?) Of a strong Church.
                      - from the screens of "Central Television", during, even if "just a show", - "The Battle of Psychics", they declare that worshiping the dark forces, everyone, and on all sorts of different genitals, was spun as they wanted (even figuratively, and even tolerant), and win prizes (high rating)
                      "Get crazy", or I would say, in Russian, just ...
                      Have you completely lost the coast?
                      - oh, our "ROC" is too soft, it would be necessary to give more rights, to kindle fires, at least for the rating (a cruel joke).
                      -in the monk Ilya in the red corner, and in the left, the so-called evil queen ... blah .. blah .... Nemikuyana (or not important) ...
                      ... a difficult battle, but Ilya, wounded with all his might, having stood the heroic pause, huh, manages to pour holy water, stick a cross in his forehead and drive an aspen stake in his heart, the people who guessed run away to get money, and the rest are mournful wandering to the Church to receive communion ...
                      I remembered an anecdote - Mowgli asks Balu - "I want to sing and dance, is it spring?" No, it's just mushrooms, Mowgli "...
                      In fact, invisibly, the most terrible battles take place in our souls.
                      Probably.
                      And yes, - "Bread and circuses", many and different.
                    11. Novik
                      Novik 8 February 2014 01: 05
                      0
                      As I understand it, you need a whip (not a carrot), aspen stakes, bonfires, to burn like that. Mercilessly... What would be the recognition, - "I am a hereditary (not finished off, escaped punishment?) Witch (sorcerer) and worship the forces of evil (winning prizes, in" this show ") nobody else ever, just never crossed my mind.
                      From all witches (sorcerers), and "other reptiles" ("evil spirits" or, "no honor") - there is a very good, time-tested, medicine, including a cleansing fire ... (whatever, the so-called " curses "," sorcerer "or" witches "did not come true,"if the fortune-teller guessed badly, and she was killed for this, - "bad fortune-telling" can be safely forgotten " (c)) - folk wisdom.
                    12. Novik
                      Novik 8 February 2014 01: 28
                      0
                      Adequate witches and sages, they clearly understand the border, and such "lewdness" will not create.
                    13. Novik
                      Novik 8 February 2014 01: 58
                      0
                      if the fortuneteller guessed badly, and kill her for this, - "bad fortune-telling" can be safely forgotten "(c)) - folk wisdom

                      It is rather an evil ironic joke. smile
                      As far as I understand.
                      Christians, in the curse of sorcerers, witches (of other forces), - do not believe.
                      And rightly so.
                      Otherwise, what happens?
                    14. Novik
                      Novik 8 February 2014 02: 20
                      0
                      - it turns out - "heresy".
                      And the events in ("in"?) Ukraine are also confirm.
                      No single power, there is confusion and a wobble of minds.
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 1 February 2014 09: 09
        0
        Yes, a "solid" link. All "psychos" are political.
        Quote: Novik
        And also, show me a certificate that you are not a latent bugger

        Immediately I’ll do it. As soon as so.
        "There is an increase in the number of mentally ill people all over the world. According to forecasts of the World Health Organization, by 2020, mental disorders will enter the top five diseases leading to disability. In Russia, the indicators are worse than the world average. If in the world about 15% need psychiatric aid, then in Russia their number reaches 25%.
        Experts note: in comparison with the 90s, the number of clients of psychiatric clinics in Russia has almost doubled. "
        In Russia, there are even more dissenting patients than in the USSR. True, in the 90s, every self-respecting thug had a certificate stating that he was crazy. Were there also dissenting political ones?
        And the doctors also had instructions on how to feed forcefully. Even in the medical encyclopedia there was a special topic. Also, especially for the political. smile
      3. Novik
        Novik 1 February 2014 12: 32
        +1
        Z / s "show me a certificate that you are not a latent homosexual" is a joke.
        - like ".... - and also an earthworm".
        The people, supporting the latest decisions, allow themselves to be slightly ironic, as a result of which it has become "fashionable" to add this phrase to the list of requirements or wishes.
        smile
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  • Old scoop
    Old scoop 31 January 2014 19: 04
    +1
    Well pinch China USA is always happy.
    In such a fight, any allies are good if they insert their five cents.
  • tasey
    tasey 31 January 2014 17: 07
    +11
    Nobody is going to join the Russian Federation. It is clearly written - "under protectorate". Russia does not join Abkhazia and South Ossetia and will not. There will be two friendly, "to the bone" republics - the Crimea and the South-East. Do not recognize - and to hell with them! And the UN peacekeepers? Who, I wonder, would dare to introduce them without our consent? And we will lose the rotten part. The operation must be done on time, until the gangrene starts ... There will be less blood.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 31 January 2014 17: 28
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    Quote: Vladimirets
    oh still sibling


    And what good did this brother do for us? ... Or could he not bite at least once, as soon as the opportunity arose? Do not now about the Slavs about the peoples. The question is specific. What more, good or bad, has Ukraine and the Ukrainian people done for us in 20 years?
    1. mad
      mad 31 January 2014 19: 05
      -3
      We have the republics of Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia where there is not even a question "What more, good or bad, they did" but there is a question "Did they do anything good?" And these non-Russians are full-fledged pancake Russians! Against their background, even Western Ukrainians are more Russian than these mountain dwellers.
    2. SIBUR-DV
      SIBUR-DV 31 January 2014 20: 01
      +6
      Learn the story. Present-day Ukraine is a quasi-state that, in principle, cannot exist without outside help. All of Europe, without unification in the EU, would also not be able to exist. So Ukraine needs to make a choice, either in the EU (as a donor) or in the CU.
    3. VADEL
      VADEL 1 February 2014 05: 08
      +1
      Do good not for gratitude.
  • zadotov
    zadotov 31 January 2014 19: 12
    +3
    peacekeepers will be from Russia. There are many Russian citizens in South Ossetia
    1. commbatant
      commbatant 31 January 2014 22: 11
      +5
      couple inflate Russian passports in the eastern and southern regions of the former USSR
  • KAZAK67
    KAZAK67 31 January 2014 20: 18
    +2
    Peacekeepers will be mainly from the Russian Federation, as now in some post-Soviet countries.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 31 January 2014 21: 30
    +1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    There can be no peaceful collapse of Ukraine, there will be a civil massacre, practically here. Then the introduction of UN peacekeepers under the auspices of the decorative UN, do you guess where they will mostly be from?


    So wonderful! There will be much expired ammunition!

    And the peacekeepers will be from there from where in the Transnistrian People’s Republic. This is who will send kage to the Bendera peacekeepers before the candle. The main thing is that ours will be in Kiev, where it should be, but until it has grown together.
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  • Mihail29
    Mihail29 4 February 2014 13: 00
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    It is a pity there is no leader in Ukraine.
    And when was he there? And she still can not stay within the existing borders, a lot of players are interested in this, both external and internal. Especially the internal (frostbitten) who do not care about the country. One because they have already received an advance in green or to receive short-term political dividends, the other because they have an absolutely virgin brain, they don’t know who they are, they don’t know the story, but if the brain was then it was washed clean.
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    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 31 January 2014 16: 37
      +6
      Quote: Akim
      FUCK TO YOU !!! Maximum - federal structure of Ukraine

      Comrade with FUCK, you need problems, what do we have? I mean SK.
      1. Akim
        Akim 31 January 2014 16: 44
        -5
        Quote: almost demobilized
        Comrade with FUCK, you need problems, what do we have?

        You have a federal structure, it has problems where subjects are divided on a national basis. And if you divide how in Germany?
        1. densh
          densh 31 January 2014 16: 54
          +13
          Quote: Akim
          if divided as in Germany?

          In Germany, some lands, such as Bavaria, have long begun to covet on the topic: "you can't feed any rogue like Hesse."
          1. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 17: 01
            +1
            Quote: densh
            nefig to feed all sorts of rogue like Gessen. "

            But they are not going to separate. Just - the maximum change the laws.
            1. a52333
              a52333 31 January 2014 18: 27
              0
              Is the difference big? Different laws, probably customs, res.
            2. VADEL
              VADEL 1 February 2014 05: 21
              0
              Just - the maximum change the laws.

              Laws let it go changebut fart with us won't let.
        2. almost demobil
          almost demobil 31 January 2014 16: 56
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          You have a federal structure, it has problems where subjects are divided on a national basis. And if you divide how in Germany?

          Yes, what does Germany have to do with it !? He lives in the west of Ukraine ... well, I won’t say who, otherwise I’ll fall under the article bully . Well, in general, unlike the west and the center, not Russian people, and so, every x -----. And you do not catch national problems? Yes, they were still on the surface during the USSR!
          1. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 17: 03
            +2
            Quote: almost demobilized
            Yes, what does Germany have to do with it !? He lives in the west of Ukraine ... well, I won’t say who, otherwise I’ll fall under the article

            Both in the west and in the east of the country live mainly Ukrainians. Just some Russian speakers - others not.
            1. yankeegohome
              yankeegohome 31 January 2014 17: 22
              +19
              What about religion? Why this factor is not taken into account. In the East and South live the same RUSSIANS as in Russia. And in the West, I even find it difficult to classify it. They sold their faith, they are ready to exchange their so-called freedom for rations (which, by the way, no one will give), angry to the eclipse of reason in their hatred of everything Russian. "This" is definitely not planning to build rockets and planes. Yes, and endlessly living in the same house, quietly hating each other is impossible. Anyway, sooner or later it will result in something.
              1. Akim
                Akim 31 January 2014 17: 26
                .
                Quote: yankeegohome
                What about religion? Why this factor is not taken into account. In the East and South live the same RUSSIAN as in Russia

                Excuse me. but this is a stupid suggestion.
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 31 January 2014 17: 34
                  +7
                  Og, and now prove the difference between the Russians on one side of the border and on the other? I got popcorn. And put them in gallogroups because this is a more correct definition of an ethnic group.
                2. Neophyte
                  Neophyte 31 January 2014 21: 29
                  +3
                  Hungary and Romania lick their lips on the western lands, and Poland dreams.
                  Daydreaming can be distracted if on all fences of the Ternopil region, etc.
                  Abandoned lands, hang portraits of Bandera.
                3. commbatant
                  commbatant 31 January 2014 22: 16
                  +3
                  Hungary and Romania will still face each other because of disputed territories ...
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              3. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg 31 January 2014 22: 08
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                Quote: yankeegohome
                What about religion? Why this factor is not taken into account. In the East and South live the same RUSSIAN as in Russia

                Excuse me. but this is a stupid suggestion.


                And how do Russian south differ from Russian east ?? I can’t forgive - repent for your stupid statement.
              4. Akim
                Akim 31 January 2014 22: 12
                +3
                Quote: Geisenberg
                And how do Russian south differ from Russian east ??

                And how will you share? Or do you think that 10 million Russians are compactly grouped together? Even in Crimea, only half of the population is Russian.
        3. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 31 January 2014 17: 32
          -5
          Akim, the demobilization is simply a troll or is not endowed with reason.
          Forgive him.
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        4. Tersky
          Tersky 31 January 2014 17: 34
          +17
          Quote: Akim
          Both in the west and in the east of the country live mainly Ukrainians. Just some Russian speakers - others not.

          The reality is that if you remove the hassle of the Ukrainian pseudo-code, these people have nothing in common. These are just DIFFERENT PEOPLES. Residents of eastern and southern Ukraine are well-known Russian Ukrainians, they make up a significant part of the population, for example, Kuzbass. The Russians do not have and cannot have any problems with them in communication. Without treatment, these are the same Russian people who are also different from the Great Russians as the inhabitants of the Urals are different from the inhabitants of Siberia or Yaroslavl.
          But in the west of Ukraine people are completely different. With a different character, different customs, different ideas about duty. While dumplings are inserted into people's eyes, they do not see this. But they should talk REALLY, and then you want to give each other in the face. Swipe. Because when the ethnic group is different, an amendment is made. When ethnic differences are mistakenly ignored, a person looks like either a scoundrel or a madman. But rather - both at once.
          1. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 17: 43
            .
            I am INSANE such words, all ... bad people who assess life in Ukraine only by Vesti RTR.
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 31 January 2014 17: 45
              +7
              I am INSANE such words, all ... bad people who assess life in Ukraine only by Vesti RTR.

              Well, yes, yes, yes, she’s such a life. From Kiselev popets you burn.
              Usually it’s true that it hurts one’s eyes. And if you hammer on the slogans of the channel and analyze the reality, then everything is much sadder.
            2. Akim
              Akim 31 January 2014 17: 54
              -4
              Quote: leon-iv
              Usually they say truth about this.

              These are spoken - Breshet like a dog. I’m not transferring Kiseleva from his time to ICTV.
            3. VADEL
              VADEL 1 February 2014 05: 36
              +2
              They say such people - it breres like a dog.

              Well said! Long gone down from the mountains of the Caucasus? Do the Saudis get tanned? Tanga is good tabe.
            4. Akim
              Akim 1 February 2014 06: 55
              -2
              Quote: VADEL
              Long gone down from the mountains of the Caucasus? Do the Saudis get tanned?

              Recently, it is among the Russians of Slavic nationalities, such a terrible fashion.
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 31 January 2014 17: 51
        +12
        Quote: Akim
        I am INSANE such words, all ... bad people who assess life in Ukraine only by Vesti RTR.

        Stop blaming on ORT. Personally, I, lately, specifically, I’ll get along on Ukrainian forums. Opinions are different and the federation and the section with joining Russia.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 31 January 2014 18: 10
        +13
        Quote: Akim
        I am enraged by such words, all sorts.

        Anything is applicable to you, ... and if words are enraged, then they have a very real basis, again not coinciding with your worldview, "the only true and not subject to an iota of doubt."
      4. Akim
        Akim 31 January 2014 18: 26
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        and if the words are enraged, then they have a very real basis, which again does not coincide with your worldview

        Because the same thing as zombies. And from that and from that side there is an information attack. Only normal citizens of Ukraine are not asked or shown.
        We only see on the TV screen: we are for the EU or Russia. Nobody says: we are for Ukraine.
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      6. matross
        matross 31 January 2014 19: 01
        +17
        Quote: Akim
        Nobody says: we are for Ukraine.

        Maybe there are really few of them. The subconscious mind cannot be fooled. Separately existing Ukraine is not needed even by its citizens. Some want to become part of Russia, others to merge with Europe. May the Ukrainians forgive me, God knows I consider you brothers, but try to be honest at least alone with yourself. As part of Russia, you, as under the Union, will be EQUAL citizens of YOUR country, in the EU you will become third-rate "come in large numbers" and "hey, people", and now it is generally unclear who, why and for what. In general, as they say, return to the family hi
      7. old rocket man
        old rocket man 31 January 2014 20: 02
        +8
        Quote: matRoss
        As part of Russia, you, as well as in the Union, will be EQUAL citizens of YOUR country, in the EU you will become third-rate "come in large numbers" and "hey, people"


        As always were during the empire and the Soviet Union drinks
      8. Oleg Kharkov
        Oleg Kharkov 1 February 2014 03: 55
        +3
        Maybe just those who are for Ukraine are working more than sitting on formuh? So to say not in word, but in deed? And they are less visible on the stormy expanses of the Internet? But in general it’s not bad at our place, the TV sets the question — here it can’t be taken away. Or EU or CU. No one even hinted that you can do something yourself without looking at anyone.
    2. 31231
      31231 31 January 2014 20: 45
      +3
      Because the same thing as zombies. And from that and from that side there is an information attack.

      Akim, I am also for Ukraine as a separate state. But not with the indecency that has now climbed into the revolution.
      Maidany and sympathizers (including you) at first were happy for the association with the EU. When the Russians chewed 905 pages of this agreement for you, practically all revolutionary-minded people switched to the slogan "Get out gang! Ganba!"
      And it seems to me that a very good option is the collapse of Ukraine into the West and the East. Maybe then the West will begin to appreciate the East.
    3. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: 31231
      And it seems to me that a very good option is the collapse of Ukraine into the West and the East. Maybe then the West will begin to appreciate the East.

      Bad. Ukraine should not be divisible. Otherwise, crushing will continue.
  • Lyokhin63
    Lyokhin63 31 January 2014 21: 42
    +3
    Damn that's it! Great words! Well, fight for Ukraine! Be the third Force! So you are not on the Maidan, or are they not showing us something?
    Quote: Akim
    Nobody says: we are for Ukraine.
  • Akim
    Akim 31 January 2014 21: 45
    +2
    Quote: Lyokhin63
    So you are not on the Maidan, or are they not showing us something?

    They show everyone what their power wants.
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 1 February 2014 00: 15
    +2
    quote: "Nobody says: we are for Ukraine." Similarly, on the forums and in the comments. So it looks like a diagnosis.
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  • alexander 2
    alexander 2 1 February 2014 03: 16
    +1
    And here in Russia you only hear from deputies or officials: "We are obliged to the EU, or the IMF, or the United States, etc."
    I have never heard from any one: "We are obliged to our people."
    A little off topic but boiling.
  • 31231
    31231 31 January 2014 20: 35
    +4
    bad people who assess life in Ukraine only by Vesti RTR.

    And can you link to where in Vesti they divide Ukraine into Ukrainians from the East, South and Westerners from the West? I always considered this channel to be politically correct.
  • Akim
    Akim 31 January 2014 20: 44
    -3
    Quote: 31231
    I always considered this channel to be politically correct.

    Well, I do not. Such a volume of deza can be found only on the western channels. Naturally with the prefix "vice versa".
  • ty60
    ty60 31 January 2014 17: 41
    +2
    Yeah, the West is the Magyars, Romanians, assimilated Poles, a little Moldovans. 60 percent hardly speak Russian or pretend.
  • SIBUR-DV
    SIBUR-DV 31 January 2014 20: 06
    +2
    Yes. Yes, Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Germans a little bit, but everything is normal, they only speak Ukrainian
  • anarh
    anarh 1 February 2014 02: 21
    0
    Quote: almost demobilized
    and so, every x -----.

    Minus.
  • Orik
    Orik 31 January 2014 17: 19
    +4
    Quote: Akim
    You have a federal structure, it has problems where subjects are divided on a national basis. And if you divide how in Germany?

    If Ukraine were Germany ... we did not talk about all this. laughing
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 17: 22
      .
      Quote: Orik
      If Ukraine were Germany.

      If Ukraine lived as Germany, I would not speak with you. laughing
      1. Orik
        Orik 31 January 2014 18: 02
        +9
        I recognize my native Ukrainians, I believe I wouldn’t speak, but ... you’re talking laughing and you will talk. Axiom, Ukraine is NOT Germany.
        1. rolik
          rolik 31 January 2014 21: 03
          +3
          Quote: Orik
          Ukraine is NOT Germany.

          Forgot to recap: And it will never be, nor will there be Storage.
          Although they wanted to))))
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 31 January 2014 21: 11
            +1
            Quote: rolik
            And she will never be, nor will Storage be.
            Can Sweden succeed? At least so
          2. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 21: 13
            +8
            Quote: bomg.77
            Even so

            And if I start to laugh at the tricolor - will you be pleased?
          3. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 21: 35
            -1
            ) Let's try) Th means yellow-black) correctly blue pissed)
          4. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 21: 39
            0
            Quote: uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1

            For those who are in an armored train, I repeat - Get out!
          5. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 22: 06
            0
            you will Svidomo geeks and armored train and a bullet in the head)
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 31 January 2014 22: 06
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: bomg.77
        Even so

        And if I start to laugh at the tricolor - will you be pleased?


        And if you don’t start ??
      3. Akim
        Akim 31 January 2014 22: 14
        +1
        Quote: Geisenberg
        And if you don’t start ??

        Do you want me to drop to this level?
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 31 January 2014 23: 43
      +6
      Quote: Akim
      And if I start to laugh at the tricolor - will you be pleased?
      Akim, you can certainly laugh who will stop, but with this post I wanted to say that I do not recognize Ukraine as a separate state, and even more so as a separate people! I do not consider Russians living on the outskirts to be different people. And symbols (Coat of arms, Flag, Anthem ) who promote this, do not inspire respect in me, excuse me hi I didn’t try to insult or hurt you. I expressed my opinion as best I could.
    3. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 23: 51
      +2
      Quote: bomg.77
      but with this post I wanted to say that I do not recognize Ukraine as a separate state,

      It is your right. You may not recognize the United States, but your government has recognized them.
    4. bomg.77
      bomg.77 31 January 2014 23: 57
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      It is your right. You may not recognize the United States, but your government has recognized them.
      Power has always been far from the people ... Over time, I hope the people and the authorities will think and act in unison.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 31 January 2014 23: 57
    0
    Quote: bomg.77
    I wanted to say that I do not recognize Ukraine as a separate state, and even more so as a separate people

    Not to say but to write for sure. This is the first.
    And the second, whether you personally admit or not, is not so important. It is important that Ukraine is recognized by Russia and all the states of the world.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 1 February 2014 00: 07
    +5
    Quote: Apollon
    And the second, whether you personally admit or not, is not so important
    I express my own point of view and maybe some part of people
  • Apollo
    Apollo 1 February 2014 00: 12
    -3
    Quote: bomg.77
    I express my own point of view and maybe some part of people

    I am impressed official, legal point of view, since the lawyer himself.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 1 February 2014 00: 21
    +1
    Quote: Apollon
    I am impressed by the official, legal point of view
    Have agreed laughing
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  • Novik
    Novik 1 February 2014 04: 25
    +1
    By the way, I don’t really like the modern flag of Russia.
    Or return
    Black yellow white

    The de facto black-yellow-white colors returned to the Russian flag again. The new flag was not introduced as mandatory, its use was only "allowed". The symbolism of the flag emphasized the unity of the king with the people. However, the February and then the October Revolutions prevented the approval of the flag as an official one.

    The black color was taken from the coat of arms of Russia, which depicted a black two-headed eagle. The black color symbolized the greatness of Russia (especially in the East), sovereignty, state stability, inviolability of historical borders and invincibility - in other words, the basis that determined the meaning of the existence of the Russian state. [Source not specified 34 days]
    According to one version, the yellow (or gold) color was also taken from the coat of arms of Russia (such was the field in which the two-headed eagle was depicted), according to another version, the two-headed eagle on the Byzantine standard was golden. One way or another, but the golden color and the double-headed eagle were depicted on banners even under Prince Ivan III Vasilievich. The yellow color symbolized spirituality, the striving for moral perfection and firmness of spirit, as well as the continuity and preservation of the Orthodox faith. [Source not specified 34 days]
    The white (or silver) color was known as the color of George the Victorious, striking the dragon with a spear. White color symbolized eternity and purity among all peoples of the world on all flags. On this flag, he symbolized the readiness of the Russians to fight for their Fatherland, their family and their faith, and on occasion to give their lives in the name of Russia. [Source not specified 34 days]

    Or, Red Banner

    and the star was very out of place ...
  • Basarev
    Basarev 31 January 2014 18: 25
    +3
    So you want thousands of gameparades and ridicule of veterans of the Great Patriotic War? Or do you want 5 million Turks robbing and killing the indigenous population? Or do you want monstrously smoking TPPs that terrify the atmosphere? No, do you really want that?
  • 31231
    31231 31 January 2014 20: 50
    +2
    If Ukraine lived as Germany, I would not speak with you.


    What is in the way? Pan Yanyk?
    Proiepaltika now also does not "talk" to us, only here many laugh at how the authorities are puffing up there.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 20: 54
      0
      Quote: 31231
      What prevents?

      This is a philosophical question. Our mentality is not like that.
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 31 January 2014 20: 07
    +5
    Quote: Orik
    If Ukraine were Germany ... we did not talk about all this. laughing


    It would not be called "Ukraine", but "Ukrainian"like the grandmother who grew up with, you yourself know that laughing
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 31 January 2014 17: 30
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    FUCK TO YOU !!!


    A pronounced Ukrainian "patriot" of black pop color said.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 17: 38
      0
      Quote: Tatarus
      Ukrainian "patriot" of black pop color.

      What is my color - it should not worry you.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 31 January 2014 19: 18
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        What color is mine - it should not bother you

        What really black !?
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 19: 29
          +6
          Quote: almost demobilized
          What really black !?

          No. But the labels do not agree with the Kremlin’s position. In general, I like the sharing. I do not agree with the position of the Russians - go to Bendery. And those shout to me: my rock, rolling to my Moscow.
          Because I do not agree with their position. Double muzzle for all of you (and those and those). I will live on my land!
          1. 787nkx
            787nkx 1 February 2014 13: 44
            0
            Akim, it’s hard for you on the Russian Internet site.
            Let's balance the odds.
            Give a link to the Ukrainian Internet resource of a similar orientation.
            There it will be easier for you, well, and on the other hand we will feel ourselves.
            How to offer?
            1. Akim
              Akim 1 February 2014 15: 16
              0
              Quote: 787nkx
              Give a link to the Ukrainian Internet resource of a similar orientation.

              I DID NOT REGISTER ON UKRAINIAN FORUMS. ONLY ALIENS: ANGLO, SPANISH SPEAKERS, POLISH ...
              But you can try
              http://mil.in.ua/forum/index.php
              He is also like a military man, but there is enough politics there.
  • Tersky
    Tersky 31 January 2014 18: 02
    +10
    Quote: Akim
    FUCK TO YOU !!!

    What's this? The result of a poor vocabulary, or a pronounced boorish attitude towards website visitors whose opinion is contrary to yours? MINUS! I won’t delete it yet, let everyone enjoy it ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 18: 19
      0
      Quote: Tersky
      The result of a poor vocabulary, or a pronounced boorish attitude towards website visitors whose opinion is contrary to yours? MINUS!

      This is an emotional reaction. The Sharikovs are sitting there at the monitor and offering to share everything.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 31 January 2014 18: 39
        +6
        Quote: Akim
        This is an emotional reaction.

        Only the activity of the person himself can decide something, and not his negative emotions.
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 18: 48
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          Only the activity of the person himself can decide something, and not his negative emotions.

          Do you think I put the cons without emotions? With reason, they simply enter into discussion.
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man 31 January 2014 20: 13
            +6
            Quote: Akim
            Do you think I put the cons without emotions? With reason, they simply enter into discussion


            The minus does not affect the salary, but with the "reason" you correctly noticed, that's why they don't join, probably laughing
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 January 2014 20: 18
              +1
              Quote: Old Rocketman
              and with "reason" you have correctly noticed, therefore they do not enter, probably

              Those. You want to say that all my arguments are stupid and there’s nothing to bother with. Yes, brothers, you have a good democracy. From section: there are two opinions, one is mine, the other is wrong.
              1. 31231
                31231 31 January 2014 20: 54
                +9
                From the section: there are two opinions, one is mine, the other is wrong.


                Akim, alas, but you have the same distinction.
                Moreover, for some reason you are here most of all mentioning the harmfulness of Kremlin views, and not European ones.
              2. Akim
                Akim 31 January 2014 20: 57
                +1
                Quote: 31231
                most of all you mention the harmfulness of Kremlin views, not European ones.

                I will argue on Polish sites - I will write about the harmfulness of their views.
              3. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 31 January 2014 22: 23
                0
                Quote: Akim
                I will argue on Polish sites - I will write about the harmfulness of their views.

                As a child I read, it seems, "The lonely sail is white" by Kataev. There one of the characters talked, when the white power was in Ukrainian, and when the Directory was in Russian. wink
              4. Akim
                Akim 31 January 2014 22: 32
                0
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                There, one of the characters spoke - when there was white power in Ukrainian, and when the Directory - in Russian

                AND...? Not knowing the language does not color a person.
              5. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 31 January 2014 22: 47
                0
                Quote: Akim
                AND...?

                Yes ..., brought you. This character knew both languages. And he spoke another language out of contradiction. When Ukrainians were instilled - in Russian, when about Tsarist Russia - in Ukrainian.
              6. Akim
                Akim 31 January 2014 22: 54
                +2
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                This character knew both languages.

                I already know 5 languages, but I still think in Russian, but out of respect I can switch to the language of the interlocutor. Is that the point? Thinking in Russian does not mean "thinking in Russian".
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            2. Novik
              Novik 1 February 2014 04: 34
              +1
              "when about tsarist Russia - in Ukrainian." (c)
              - Probably I missed a lot when it was in tsarist Russia, there was "independent and not fallow" Ukraine?
              At the end of the XVI and the first half of the XVII century, the number of Cossack revolts became more frequent. All of them, however, were suppressed with the help of Polish and arrogant Ukrainian magnates. The most successful was the uprising of Khmelnitsky, 1648-1654, which resulted in the emergence of an autonomous political unit - Hetmanism, and significant damage was inflicted on the Polish authorities. Due to the difficulties of warfare and the insecurity of his ally, the Crimean Khan, Bogdan Khmelnitsky at the Pereyaslav Rada accepted the citizenship of the Russian kingdom, after which the Russo-Polish War of 1654-1667 began. During the war, a civil war (Ruin) broke out in the Hetman region and a political situation developed in which the Left-Bank Ukraine wanted to be part of Russia, and in the Right-Bank Cossack elders gravitated towards an agreement with the Commonwealth, which was accompanied by the election of various hetmans. This split was recorded in the Andrusovsky truce between Russia and the Commonwealth.
              As part of the Russian and Austro-Hungarian Empires
              "Evening in Ukraine." Kryzhitsky K. Ya., 1901
              During the Russo-Turkish War of 1676–1681, the Russo-Cossack army, by joint forces, reflected the expansion of the Ottoman Empire into Left-Bank Ukraine. As part of Russia, Ukraine is recovering, the population is growing, Orthodox churches are being built freely. During the Great Northern War, the hetman Ivan Mazepa goes over to the side of the Swedish king Charles XII, with whom he is defeated in the Battle of Poltava. The consequence of this event is a reduction in the autonomy of the Hetman region and its management through the Little Russian Collegium. Throughout the eighteenth century, the integration of the Cossack nobility into the Russian nobility was observed, immigrants from Ukraine occupy high positions in the Russian Empire, among them are such influential politicians as the head of the Synod Feofan Prokopovich, Field Marshals Aleksey and Kirill Razumovsky, Chancellor Alexander Bezborodko.
              In order to unify the state, Empress Catherine II abolishes the Hetmanate in 1764 and the Zaporizhzhya Sich in 1775 [49]. The Cossack nobility is equated with the Russian nobility, the vast lands annexed to Russia are allocated for settlement to the Ukrainian Cossacks (Kuban, Stavropol Territory, Novorossia). As a result of the Russo-Turkish war of 1768-1774, the Crimean Khanate was recognized as independent from any outside power, and in 1783 its lands were included in Russia.
              After the partition of Poland in 1772-1795, Galicia passed into the possession of the Austrian Habsburgs, and the rest of Right-Bank Ukraine, including Podolia, Volyn - into the possession of the Russian Empire
              On the steppe lands of Zaporozhye, the Northern Black Sea Coast and Taurida, annexed to the Russian Empire, on the site of Cossack and Tatar settlements, Russians are founded, including such large cities as Zaporozhye (1770), Krivoy Rog (1775), Dnepropetrovsk (1776), Kherson, Mariupol (1778), Sevastopol (1783), Simferopol, Melitopol (1784), Nikolaev (1789), Odessa (1794), Lugansk (foundation of the Lugansk plant - 1795). Until the end of the XVIII - beginning of the XIX century, Ukraine was mainly an agricultural land, and from the middle of the XIX century the current eastern regions of Ukraine, and then the Kiev region, began to develop as industrial ones.

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D3%EA%F0%E0%E8%ED%E0
            3. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 1 February 2014 07: 07
              0
              [quote = Novik] "when about Tsarist Russia, in Ukrainian." (c)
              - Probably I missed a lot when it was in tsarist Russia, there was "independent and not fallow" Ukraine?
              I clarify, with whites (among them there were many monarchists)
              A better read a book.
            4. Novik
              Novik 1 February 2014 13: 30
              0
              Duc, the fact that there were many anarchists among the whites (when the reds appeared) does not mean that Ukraine was in the time of tsarist Russia.
              1917 revolution and civil war
              Main article: Revolution and Civil War in Ukraine
              During the years 1917-1921. on the territory of modern Ukraine there was a chain of political and military conflicts between various political, ethnic and social groups.
              In April 1920, Polish troops entered into conflict on the main territory of Ukraine, and during 1920-1921. Central and Right Bank of Ukraine were the scene of the Soviet-Polish war [55].
              The chain of conflicts ended in 1920-1921. the establishment of Soviet power and the approval of the Ukrainian SSR on a large territory of modern Ukraine (except for Western Ukraine, parts of which became part of the Polish and Czechoslovak Republics, as well as the Kingdom of Romania) [55].

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0
              What book would you recommend?
  • rolik
    rolik 31 January 2014 22: 50
    +8
    Quote: Akim
    Those. You want to say that all my arguments are stupid and there’s nothing to bother with.

    Well, about the stupid arguments, it’s you who got excited about it of course. Nobody said that here. You can say a little differently, the arguments are slightly one-sided. There is no need to go in one deep rut, sometimes it is necessary to peek out of it.
    And about democracy in Russia, Bulgakov said in the White Guard that democracy in Russia is not needed for at least a hundred years. Such an ugly democracy, or rather a complete fall in morals and the right of the strong, as Europe and North America show us. I think many will agree with me, my Russia does not need it at all. Democracy, where art is replaced by cheap kitsch, where traditional family values ​​of Slavic culture are trying to replace sodomy, where the history of their land is trying to slander and replace it with face-to-face concepts, let it remain for those who are trying to impose it on us. If it seems to you that these values ​​are best suited to you and your descendants, this is your choice and your opinion. And trying to convince a person who is firmly confident in his infallibility is wasting time.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 31 January 2014 20: 55
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    This is an emotional reaction.

    Quote: Akim
    The Sharikovs are sitting there at the monitor and offering to share everything.


    Learn to restrain yourself and maintain composure.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 21: 00
      -1
      Quote: Apollon
      Learn to restrain yourself and maintain composure.

      Well, excuse me. About NK, your compatriots are no less angry, because their opinion here is considered wrong.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 31 January 2014 21: 37
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        Your compatriots are no less angry

        Here, everyone is for himself and I can’t be responsible for compatriots, I am only responsible for myself, since no one authorized me here.
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 21: 43
          -1
          Quote: Apollon
          Here everyone is for himself

          That is why I express my opinion. And emotions can sometimes splash out. Do not like it - delete it. And I will compare you with the censor Romanov.
          1. morpex
            morpex 31 January 2014 22: 19
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Apollon
            Here everyone is for himself

            That is why I express my opinion. And emotions can sometimes splash out. Do not like it - delete it. And I will compare you with the censor Romanov.

            Not Akim. Here you are wrong. Apollon is adequate. But with Romanov’s trouble .... He doesn’t like Ukraine much. But here you can see the personal one.
          2. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 22: 25
            +2
            Quote: morpex
            pollon is adequate. But with the Romanov trouble ....

            That's why I compare. I know that he is not like that.
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          4. almost demobil
            almost demobil 1 February 2014 06: 18
            +2
            Quote: morpex
            But with Romanov’s trouble .... He strongly does not like Ukraine.

            Yes, probably not Ukraine itself, but that m.r.a.p.oz.t.u that got out of the cracks and crap. It can be understood. For example, I was born in Kiev and grew up in a small town near Kiev, I adore Ukraine with all my heart, and I’m ready to break this gopota, for which I was almost put off the Kiev-Moscow train angry
          5. Akim
            Akim 1 February 2014 06: 59
            -2
            Quote: almost demobilized
            Yes, probably not Ukraine itself, but that m.r.a.p.oz.t.u that got out of the cracks and crap.

            He’s a shit, he’s pooping for all Ukrainians.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 31 January 2014 18: 17
    +4
    The Ukrainian government does not solve anything and does not affect anything. And the Maidan rabble and the Western Ukrainian evil spirits - here you simply must agree with me - must be destroyed, because they are fascists. We, the grandchildren of the victors of fascism, must complete the feat of grandfathers.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 31 January 2014 21: 42
    +3
    Quote: Akim

    FUCK TO YOU !!! The maximum is a federal structure of Ukraine, instead of a unitary one.

    I put you a plus. Although often I do not agree with your thoughts. Popped minus. belay
    The "strategists" have already divided Ukraine. What to the Poles, what to us ..., the Austrians have only a piece to offer.
    For me, Ukraine is a part of the Russian world. To wish the collapse of Ukraine-wish tragedy to all of us. (I will not comment on the nonsense that Ukrainians and Belarusians are Russian. We are kindred, but all the same different nations.)
    I see what is happening three main reasons:
    1. Economic. The prosperous economy of the Ukrainian SSR has turned into a kind of economy. The wife is watching "Field of Miracles" with Yakubovich. Ukrainian won in the first round - Plumber with a musical education in class saxafon. wink (It turns out he won.) We, of course, also have this.
    2. Nationalist. The descendants of the Uniates, traitors to the faith of their ancestors, the heirs of Bandera's ideas took upon themselves the "right" to speak for all Ukrainians. And not only to speak. Although they are related to the history of Ukraine only in antiquity, and in modern history as well. Westerners for Ukrainians will always be a thorn in the heel.
    3. Political. The form of political life is such that your parliament has turned into a performance, a circus, where someone who is stronger and more impudent is right. So why not arrange a maidan on the street? Everything is logical. A mess is everywhere a mess. Without a strong and decisive patriotic president, you can’t bring order.
    I hope that sooner or later all three of our peoples will unite. But the path will be very difficult.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 21: 47
      0
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      In the first round, the Ukrainian was defeated - a plumber with a music education in saxafon class.

      Do not pull out the facts. By the way, a plumber, very good money.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 31 January 2014 22: 29
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        Do not pull out the facts. By the way, a plumber, very good money.

        Am I against educated plumbers? But you must admit - did a musician consider a vocation to work as a plumber? By the way, he sang well. Many of us do not work in our specialty either. Even this unites. wink
        But essentially a comment?
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 22: 36
          +2
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          But you must admit - did a musician consider a vocation to work

          My friend graduated from a music school, and works as a teacher in a kindergarten. Life makes its own adjustments. It is in all countries of the world.
          And according to the comment - wait and see.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 31 January 2014 22: 03
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: almost demobilized
    not only Crimea’s wives,

    FUCK TO YOU !!! The maximum is a federal structure of Ukraine, instead of a unitary one.


    Fuck you !! You will be torn sold by galitsayami and other monsieurs and hetmans ... Julia will come out all talk on a hair dryer!
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 22: 16
      0
      Quote: Geisenberg
      .. Julia will come out talking on a hair dryer!

      I lived in Donetsk - so I know how.
  • nnz226
    nnz226 31 January 2014 17: 06
    +11
    Solidarity! Galicia will fall back to Poland, and all the Bandera-Shushkevich trash will be immediately eliminated! Someone will only open their mouths to squeal "Glory to Ukraine!" - that's all! To the beloved EU to raise the economy of the European Union, waving a pick for 15 years in the mines of Silesia! Or maybe the Poles for such screechers "reanimate" something from the "legacy" of the Nazis. Auschwitz, for example ...
    1. densh
      densh 31 January 2014 17: 21
      +6
      Quote: nnz226
      Galicia will fall back to Poland, and all the Bandera-Shushkevichkovskaya trash will be eliminated immediately!

      Eliminate anyone and will not end, on the contrary, everyone with joyful screeches will scatter along the covens. All this is from the realm of fantasy, why do the Poles need such a poor region with increased conceit.
      1. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 31 January 2014 18: 26
        +2
        Quote: densh
        Quote: nnz226
        Galicia will fall back to Poland, and all the Bandera-Shushkevichkovskaya trash will be eliminated immediately!

        Why do the Poles need such a poor region with increased conceit.

        I have no doubt about the liquidation.
        And at the expense of the region, it’s in the blood of the lords, this is their land from time immemorial. They will recall the gentry with all the ensuing consequences, and again someone will have to dig caches ...
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 31 January 2014 18: 28
        0
        They are trying to get to the industrial Southeast, as I tell you.
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 31 January 2014 18: 26
      0
      And in alliance with Russia, too, we won’t let people of this sort descend - the resorts of the Magadan Region are waiting for you!
  • Skiff
    Skiff 31 January 2014 17: 16
    +2
    In case of further destabilization of the political situation in Ukraine, Turkey can count on the transfer of Crimea under its control.

    This is possible if the peninsula declares its independence.
    This is discussed in the publication of the Turkish newspaper Hürriyet, quoted by QHA.
    According to the author, the Kuchuk-Kaynardzhi Treaty, signed 230 years ago between the Ottoman and Russian empires, states that the peninsula has no right to arbitrary actions.

    The treaty, still in force, signed by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great on April 19, 1783, states that the Crimean Peninsula passes from the Ottoman Empire to Russia. However, one of the most important is the clause stipulating that the peninsula will not declare independence and cannot be transferred to a third party. Otherwise, Crimea should be automatically returned under the auspices of Turkey.
    “In 1991, after the collapse of the USSR and the emergence of independent Ukraine, Turkey, relying on the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi Treaty, received the right to return Crimea. However, the Turkish government, then headed by Turgut Ozal, taking into account the geopolitical changes in northern Turkey and changes in the general world situation, did not defend this position. Turkey limited itself to the fact that it demanded the restoration of the rights of Crimean Tatars living in Crimea in the minority, ”the article says.
    “At present, if Crimea wants to join Russia, first of all, Crimea needs to proclaim independence from official Kiev. And at this very moment, if all the rules of international law are met, Turkey can declare: “I will take control of the Crimea under control,” the Crimean Tatar news agency quotes the author.
    1. ty60
      ty60 31 January 2014 17: 47
      +1
      Not a ride. Turkey today is not the same. Even there will be no talk. Territory of Russia
      1. densh
        densh 31 January 2014 18: 02
        +1
        Quote: ty60
        .Turkey is not the same today

        Do not flatter yourself. The Turkish army is constantly increasing its strength. Yes, and Turkish industry cannot be called backward. hi
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 31 January 2014 18: 34
          +1
          It’s just that the Turkish Altai turned out to be a rare laughing stock, and other crafts of the cooper artel named Otokar are no better ...
      2. Skiff
        Skiff 31 January 2014 19: 08
        0
        Well, if not that, after the US there are 1,427 million military personnel, Turkey - 720 thousand military personnel and another 420 thousand civilian personnel, and do not forget Turkey for geyropa, it is like China for the US.
        1. 31231
          31231 31 January 2014 20: 58
          0
          Well, if not that, after the US there are 1,427 million military personnel, Turkey - 720 thousand military personnel and another 420 thousand civilian personnel, and do not forget Turkey for geyropa, it is like China for the US.


          And what does the value of "pipiska" have to do with it ?! Not that Crimea will simply be given ?! The Americans managed to calm down Vietnam, and the Turks, all the more, could not see the Crimea.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 31 January 2014 17: 56
      +4
      Quote: Skiff
      “At present, if Crimea wants to join Russia, first of all, Crimea needs to proclaim independence from official Kiev. And at this very moment, if all the rules of international law are met, Turkey can declare: “I will take control of the Crimea under control,” the Crimean Tatar news agency quotes the author.
      The author referred to the treatise, forgot to mention that Ataturk had canceled all the agreements of the Ottoman Empire at one time ...
      1. Skiff
        Skiff 31 January 2014 19: 10
        0
        The fact of moods in Turkish society is important here, as the Germans almost no longer feel guilty for the Second World War, more and more revanchist sentiments among the countries that lost the second.
  • Orik
    Orik 31 January 2014 17: 17
    +3
    Quote: almost demob
    May God grant that Ukraine breaks up! We need not only Crimea, but also the South and East. And let the jackals take the fuck. Only so soon!

    Man, you decide, you need the collapse of Ukraine or the reunion of a single people. If reunion (attention, not joining, because we are no better than our brothers living in Ukraine), then this is not only the South and East, but also the Center. All Ukraine without 3 maximum 6 regions of the West.
    1. ty60
      ty60 31 January 2014 17: 48
      +1
      minus Lviv, San Francisco, Ternopil
    2. almost demobil
      almost demobil 31 January 2014 19: 25
      -2
      Quote: Orik
      you need the collapse of Ukraine or the reunification of a single people. If reunion (attention, not joining, because we are no better than our brothers living in Ukraine), then this is not only the South and East, but also the Center. All Ukraine without 3 maximum 6 regions of the West.

      You yourself answered the question, there will be no reunion without disintegration, we do not need western scum.
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 31 January 2014 17: 28
    +1
    Quote: almost demobilized
    May God grant that Ukraine breaks up! We need not only Crimea, but also the South and East. And let the jackals take the fuck.

    What a good fellow ...
  • Toporkoff
    Toporkoff 31 January 2014 17: 31
    -1
    May God grant that Ukraine breaks up! We need not only Crimea, but also the South and East. And let the jackals take the fuck. Only so soon!

    The Caucasus is not enough, give us the Crimean Tatars!) I think Russia is not ready for this yet ...
  • smersh70
    smersh70 31 January 2014 17: 32
    +5
    Quote: almost demobilized
    May God grant that Ukraine breaks up! We need not only Crimea, but also the South and East. And let the jackals take the fuck. Only so soon!
    and this says the Slav about the Slav state winked horror is simple. leaders come and go, but the country and people remain
  • rolik2
    rolik2 31 January 2014 18: 29
    -2
    Quote: almost demobilized
    let the jackals tear.


    Quote: almost demobilized
    Not only Crimea is needed, but also South and East.


    And I thought how to qualify you laughing
  • rolik2
    rolik2 31 January 2014 18: 31
    0
    Quote: almost demobilized
    let the jackals tear.


    Quote: almost demobilized
    Not only Crimea is needed, but also South and East.


    And I thought how to qualify you laughing
  • Imigrantt
    Imigrantt 31 January 2014 18: 49
    +14
    I live in the Crimea! Crimea was and will remain Russian !!!! It's time to return the illegal gift to its place !!!! Here everything is for !!! And if someone resist let them fall on the Maidan !!!!! Fascism will not ride !!!! hi
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 18: 51
      .
      Quote: Imigrantt
      It's time to return the illegal gift to its place !!

      SEPARATIST!!!
      1. gunter_laux
        gunter_laux 31 January 2014 19: 57
        +5
        NOT at all my friend! Your opponent is right! hi
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 20: 01
          -4
          Quote: gunter_laux
          Your opponent is right!

          In what? In loosening the state system? He does not even know why Crimea became part of the Ukrainian SSR.
          1. Lyokhin63
            Lyokhin63 31 January 2014 21: 52
            0
            Why by the way?
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 January 2014 21: 57
              -2
              Quote: Lyokhin63
              Why by the way?

              Due to economic feasibility.
              1. rolik
                rolik 31 January 2014 23: 05
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                Due to economic feasibility.

                Justify.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 31 January 2014 23: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: rolik
                  Justify.

                  What to substantiate. Geographically, it was easier to close production to the ministries of the Ukrainian SSR than the RSFSR.
                2. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 00: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Akim
                  Geographically, it was easier to close production to the ministries of the Ukrainian SSR than the RSFSR.

                  It was like this. The fate of the Crimea was decided in the bowels of the party-bureaucratic machine. It was 60 years ago that Crimea was transferred from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR. As was emphasized then in official documents, "given the territorial gravity of the Crimean region to the Ukrainian SSR," as well as "evidence of the unlimited trust of the great Russian people to the Ukrainian people."
                  If you need to expand the topic more, you can do it. True, it will take a lot of space.
                3. Akim
                  Akim 1 February 2014 00: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: rolik
                  As emphasized then in official documents, "given the territorial gravity of the Crimean region to the Ukrainian SSR,"

                  Or maybe more specifically: given the commonality of the economy, territorial proximity, and close economic and cultural ties between the Crimean region and the Ukrainian SSR
                  And the fact that they made it to the event of the 300-year-old unification is the way we had a tradition. All to associate with dates.
                  The baptism of Rus to the arrival of Brezhnev, in Kiev, tied.
                4. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 03: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: Akim
                  Or maybe more specifically: given the commonality of the economy, territorial proximity and close economic and cultural ties between the Crimean region and the Ukrainian SSR

                  It means that you have to deploy Temko in all its glory. Here are some comrades who do not want to agree that they are a little wrong. They climb to the last, and when they push themselves to the gate, disconnect from the site and .... that's it)))) Today I'll open the material in the afternoon, now I'm going to sleep. It will be interesting - and informative))))
                5. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 12: 09
                  0
                  Quote: rolik
                  It means you have to deploy Temko

                  I’m starting, promised, to reveal the topic: “How Tavrida moved to Ukraine”.
                  According to the memoirs of contemporaries, the decision to transfer Crimea to the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Nikita Khrushchev, has been ripening ever since when in 1944-1947. he headed the Council of Ministers of Ukraine. Not even a year has passed since the death of I. Stalin, on January 25, 1954, the question “On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR” was already put on the agenda of the meeting of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU, however, only 11 points (not the main thing after all!). Discussion took 15 minutes. Decided: "To approve the draft Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR." The Decree on the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR itself was adopted by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on February 19, 1954. It is clear that in those years this kind of historical act within the framework of the “indestructible” Soviet Union was a formality. When, for example, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR met before, only 27 out of its 13 members were present. And although there was no quorum and the meeting could not be held, all of them “unanimously” voted: to give Crimea to Ukraine. The people were not asked at all what he thinks about this. Although, according to the union law, the issue should first be put to an open discussion of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, to find out in referenda the opinions of the residents of both republics - the RSFSR, including the Crimean region, and the Ukrainian SSR, and then to hold an all-union referendum. Then draw conclusions. However, none of the party "bonzes" even doubted the appropriateness of the decision. But years passed, and on July 16, 1990, the Verkhovna Rada of the Ukrainian SSR adopted the Declaration on the State Sovereignty of Ukraine, a year later Ukraine became “non-fallow” and left the USSR, naturally, together with Crimea. On this occasion, Sergey Khrushchev, the son of Nikita Khrushchev, in an interview with the newspaper Today. ua "(18.06.2009/300/1774) said:" ... if the Russians are worried about this topic, then we know how in Belovezhskaya Pushcha the three leaders agreed on the collapse of the Union. Kravchuk then asked Yeltsin: “What will we do with the Crimea?”, He answered: “Take it away.” So it’s not Khrushchev who gave you the peninsula, but Boris Nikolaevich, put a monument to him. ” By the way, according to one version, Ukraine received a “gift” in the form of Crimea on the occasion of the 1768th anniversary of Ukraine’s accession to Russia. Maybe, but neither this "gift" version, nor many others have received documentary evidence so far. But the fact is well known that the inclusion of Crimea into the Russian Empire was preceded by the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi peace treaty of 1774, which ended the Russo-Turkish war of 8–1783. In accordance with this agreement, the Crimean Khanate gained independence from Turkey. On April 1783, 2, the Manifesto of the Great Empress Catherine II was published on the annexation of Crimea, Taman and Kuban to Russia, and in June 1784 the city of Sevastopol was founded. Less than a year after the publication of the Manifesto, the Tauride Region was established by imperial decree of February 1802, XNUMX, transformed into a province in XNUMX.
                6. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 12: 16
                  0
                  Quote: rolik
                  . the Tauride region was established, transformed in 1802 into a province.

                  Today, it is useful to recall that after the Crimea was incorporated into Russia, all the inhabitants of the peninsula were given certain freedoms, in particular, freedom of religion, freedom of movement, they were freed from military service. By imperial decree in February 1784 the rights of the Russian nobility were granted to the Tatar feudal nobility. Representatives of the Muslim clergy were exempted from taxes. By a series of legislative acts, the Tatar and Nogai villagers were equated with various categories of peasants of the Russian Empire. In 1827 was the Tatar population received the right to own immovable property. Local farmers were free to sell and mortgage their land, and those who cultivated landowner plots carried out these hiring activities and had the right to transfer to other landowners or to state lands. Since the annexation of Crimea to Russia, the situation of the population of the peninsula has been much better than the situation of residents of other provinces of the empire. At the beginning of the XIX century, four Tatar regiments of volunteers were created, which carried out the protection of order. In terms of natural population growth, the Tauride province occupied the third place in Russia in the 50–90s of the XNUMXth century. In 1897 was the share of the Russian population of the peninsula was 33,1% and was almost equal to the number of Tatars; there were 11,8% of Ukrainians (Little Russians). Crimea, note, was the last territorial acquisition of Ukraine. It’s an amazing thing, having lost all the wars at the beginning of the XNUMXth century in a short period of existence as an independent state (periodically), Ukraine as a union republic “occupied” by the “pits” since the time of Bogdan Khmelnitsky, as orange politicians shout on all the “Maidan”, “has grown "Such territories, about which neither the" Father Hops "nor his followers-independents dare to dream. The Soviet regime, which has been cursed in modern Ukraine for more than two decades, has created this very Ukraine in its current state borders. So, the Bolshevik Defense Council on February 17, 1919 decided: “... to ask comrade Stalin through the Bureau of the Central Committee to carry out the destruction of Krivdonbass. " And in 1918 The Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic was "mounted" by the Bolsheviks in Ukraine. The newly formed republic was Kharkov and Yekaterinoslav provinces. Now it is the current Donetsk, Lugansk, Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhya regions, as well as partially Kharkov, Sumy, Kherson, Nikolaev and Russian Rostov. Galicia and Volyn were taken from Poland in 1939. and also annexed to Ukraine. Part of Bessarabia and Bukovina (taken from Romania in 1940) also went to it.
                7. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 12: 26
                  0
                  Quote: rolik
                  from Russia, solely on the basis of which and due to which both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union were held and maintained).

                  Today, if you abandon the "evil" of the Soviet heritage, as required by the "nationally concerned" citizens of Ukraine, then the "whole" will have to be reduced to five pre-revolutionary provinces: Kiev, Podolsk, Volyn, Poltava and Chernigov. It was precisely such territory that the Central Rada (CR) practically claimed, which shortly after the October coup proclaimed the Ukrainian People’s Republic, which lasted until February 1918. On July 3, the Provisional Government recognized the Central Secretariat of the CR as the “regional” governing body over the listed lands, in fact, the former possessions of Bogdan Khmelnitsky. Grushevsky and Petlyura did not even claim to New Russia, conquered by Russia from the Crimean Khanate. Of particular interest is the position on the issue of Crimea's belonging to the Petlyura Central Rada. In the Universal, signed by S. Petliura on November 8, 1917, it is unequivocally stated: “In the consciousness of our strength and the power of the border of Ukraine, on our native land, we will guard law and revolution not only at home, but throughout Russia and therefore declare the following territories: The Ukrainian People’s Republic owns the lands inhabited in the majority by Ukrainians: the Kiev region, Podolia, Volyn, Chernihiv region, the Kharkov region, the Poltava region, the Ekaterinoslav region, the Kherson region, Tavria without the Crimea. ” Subsequent events showed that the "fathers of the Ukrainian nation" in this matter were realistic: the New Russians (Little Russians) in the Civil War supported the White Guards, Old Man Makhno, the Bolsheviks, but not the Petliurites! Among the troops of Baron Wrangel in Crimea, by the way, were more than half of the Little Russians. For the first time, the plan for creating Crimean autonomy within the RSFSR was announced at a joint meeting of the Crimean Regional Revolutionary Committee and the Regional Committee of the RCP (B) in January 1921. The decree on the formation of the Crimean Autonomous Republic V. Lenin and M. Kalinin were signed on October 18, 1921. And the formation of the Crimean ASSR preceded by the emergence of the Tauride Republic. By January 1918, the Bolsheviks managed to take power in the Crimea, and in February the Extraordinary Congress of Soviets of the Tauride Province met, which March 21, 1918 proclaimed the creation of the Soviet Republic of Tauris. It did not last long: on April 30, 1918, German troops invaded Crimea. It seems that this precedent subsequently became a kind of basis for plans of the late 40s - early 50s to return the "Tauride" name to Crimea. A feature of the autonomous republics formed in the first half of 1918 was that they arose within the framework of the previous administrative-territorial units. The Tauride Republic, which included all the districts of the Tauride province, located both on the peninsula and on the mainland, was no exception.
                8. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 12: 29
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                  located both on the peninsula and on the mainland.

                  If in a broader context, until now, the background of the transfer of the Crimea (Crimean region of the RSFSR) to Ukraine in February 1954 has not received the proper, objective coverage in Russian historiography. It is little known, for example, that the leadership of the Crimean Regional Committee of the CPSU for the most part strongly opposed the exclusion of the region from Russia, and advocated the return of the historical name "Tauride" to it. So, according to officially unconfirmed data, back in October 1952, the first secretary of the Crimean Regional Party Committee, P.I. Titov, being a delegate to the 1952th Congress of the CPSU, personally addressed Stalin with a written proposal to rename the Crimean region into Tauride. In his opinion, this would be fully consistent with the history of the creation of the region. Titov also appealed to the forgotten Soviet Republic of Tauris. He believed that the Crimean region of the RSFSR "it is time to restore its Russian, Russian name." Titov’s proposal was not previously discussed in the Crimean regional committee of the CPSU, as the second secretary of the regional committee, D.S., objected to this initiative. Polyansky (in 1953-1953 - Chairman of the Crimean Regional Executive Committee, in 1955-1960 - First Secretary of the Crimean Regional Committee). But he supported the transfer of Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR. In this connection, an assessment by Georg (Gevork) Myasnikov, second secretary of the Penza regional committee of the CPSU (in the XNUMXs), D.S. Polyansky:
                  “I remembered how he went uphill. Khrushchev, Titov and he met in the Crimea. The idea of ​​transferring Crimea to Ukraine arose. Titov rejected the idea right away, and Polyansky said that it was "brilliant." The next day, the plenum of the Crimean regional committee was gathered, Titov was driven out, and Polyansky became the first secretary of the regional committee ”(diary entry dated 04.02.1973/1953/1953). Stalin hesitated with an answer to Titov. But according to the recollections of some of Titov’s colleagues, in the spring of 1953 and later he referred to Stalin’s short answer sent personally to him at the end of January 1953, saying that his proposal was “interesting and, perhaps, correct. This issue can be discussed and resolved. ” Titov spoke of this opinion of Stalin to Khrushchev and Polyansky in mid-November 1940, when the decision to transfer Crimea to Ukraine was actually made. One of the authors of the article was told about these facts two years ago in the Simferopol Central Museum of Tauris and in the Museum of Local Lore of the Rostov Region. But the relevant materials, it seems, were removed from the archives or classified after March 25. However, there are many sources about the renaming of the Crimean Tatar names to the Russians initiated by Stalin, which began in the mid-1948s. Thus, the comprehensive renaming project in Crimea dates back to September 1944, 1946, when the decision of the Crimean Regional Committee “On renaming settlements, streets, certain types of work and other Tatar signs” was adopted. True, then it was not planned to rename Crimea itself. But as early as 11–26. renamed 327 of 1948 Crimean regional centers and 1953 villages. For the period from XNUMX to XNUMX, it was planned to rename some cities.
                9. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 12: 35
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                  . It was planned to rename some cities.

                  In general, for the years 1947-1953. new - Russian - names, mainly instead of Tatar ones, were received by 1062 villages and almost 1300 natural objects. Obviously, political and geographical ground was being prepared for changing the name of Crimea itself. However, with the renaming of cities things slowed down. According to some reports, it is possible that at least indirectly, Beria, Khrushchev, Kaganovich, Polyansky slowed down this process. And after Stalin's death, they refused to rename the Crimean cities ... But, let's say, very transparent allusions to the mentioned projects appeared five years later in the guidebook "Crimea". For example: “... the antique Panticapaeum (Kerch) is mentioned in ancient Russian historical monuments under the Slavic name Korcha, Korcheva. In the X century. on the Crimean and Caucasian shores of the Kerch Strait, the Tmutarakan principality, which was part of Kievan Rus, was approved. Korchev was closely connected with the capital of the principality - Tmutarakan ... The Strait of Kerch in that era was called by the eastern geographers the Russian river. " It is further emphasized that Russia again settled in Crimea long before it became part of the Russian Empire: “... in 1771, Russian troops captured Kerch and the fortress Yenikale, adjacent to Kerch. According to a peace treaty with Turkey (1774), this city with a fortress was the first in the territory of Crimea to become part of Russia. ” By the way, the role of Kerch and the entire Kerch Peninsula in the Russian development of Crimea became in November 1953, we can say the basis of Titov’s proposal addressed to Khrushchev and Polyansky and repeated by Titov in January 1954 to include this (i.e., east -Crimean) region in the status of the Kerch region in the RSFSR. Titov already reasonably believed that the RSFSR was not advisable to “leave” the Crimea, and thanks to the new region, the strategically important Kerch (Azov-Black Sea) Strait would remain part of the RSFSR. The "Kerch" idea of ​​Titov was rejected by the Khrushchevites, and the Kerch Strait, during the transfer of the Crimea, was assigned to Ukraine.
                  Only 27 years after the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine, P.I. Titov was mentioned in the list of leaders of the Crimean regional committee in the directory of M.M. Maksimenko and G.N. Gubenko "Crimean region". According to the memoirs of Nikolai Vizzhilin, the son of N.A. Vizzhilin (1903-1976), who in 1950 to 1957 was deputy chairman of the board of the All-Russian Society for Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries, and in 1958-1960. - Deputy Chairman of the Board of the Union of Friendship Societies with Foreign Countries (SOD), Vizzhilin Sr. “praised Pavel Ivanovich Titov, his resident neighbor on Kutuzovsky Prospekt, a strong, decisive and courageous person who was elected first secretary of the regional party committee of the Crimea in Stalin's times. P.I. Titov categorically objected to Khrushchev about the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine - this is worth mentioning, because now almost no one knows about such objections. Titov had constant skirmishes with the first secretary of the Central Committee on this matter, as a result of which the imperious and zealous owner of the Crimean region was reduced to the rank of deputy minister of agriculture of the RSFSR. This dizzying demotion completely removed Pavel Ivanovich from the upper echelons of power "(" Family were. N.N. Vizzhilin,).
                10. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 12: 41
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                  led Pavel Ivanovich out of the upper echelons of power ”(“ Family were. N.N. Vizzhilin,).

                  According to some sources, P.V. was a supporter of the idea of ​​renaming Crimea to Tavria. Bakhmurov, Secretary of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR in the mid 1940s - early 1950s. These are just some of the touches associated with the project of incorporating Crimea into Ukraine, which, we repeat, was preceded by a project to strengthen the Russian presence in Crimea and to rename it to Tavria. But this project was closed after March 5, 1953. Apparently, this is the main reason that both Titov and his project were deliberately “forgotten”. In general, in many respects, which is associated with the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine, “white spots” still prevail. Of fundamental importance is, first of all, the question of what character Crimean autonomy had - national or territorial. The Lenin Sovnarkom at first created autonomies of both types, but with time only national ones remained. The Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic became a unique autonomous entity, which later retained its territorial character. According to the 1939 All-Union Census, Russians in the Crimean population were 49,6%, Crimean Tatars - 19,4, Ukrainians - 13,7, Jews - 5,8, Germans - 4,6%. But since during the war the total population decreased sharply, and its ethnic composition underwent fundamental changes, on June 30, 1945 the Crimean ASSR was transformed into the Crimean region.
                  During the years of occupation, the Nazis destroyed 25 thousand Jews. Almost everyone who could not or did not want to evacuate died. After the war, Russians and Ukrainians began to dominate the population. As far back as August 1941, Chekists took out from the Crimea up to 50 thousand Germans, who settled here mainly during the time of Catherine II. The wording of the charge was the same for everyone: "aiding the Nazi invaders." Note that there were grounds for such a formulation. Several years ago in Simferopol at the Russian-Ukrainian round table, a Russian expert, political scientist, senior researcher at the Institute of CIS Countries Valentina Goidenko said: “In the archives I received an interesting case No. 712/1 on transferring the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR . Started February 4, 1954, completed February 19, 1954. That is, 15 days was enough to transfer Crimea, and create such a serious problem for the future not only for Crimeans, but to lay a mine in the prospects of Russian-Ukrainian relations. ” V. Goidenko quoted the following quotation from the book “The Nuremberg Trials”:
                  “Hitler first owned the idea of ​​taking Crimea from Russia and passing it to Ukraine. The Führer believed that this was an ingeniously calculated move to make the two largest Slavic countries blood enemies. Ukraine essentially does not need Crimea, but out of greed, it will not give up its pits. And Russia will need Crimea desperately, and it will never forgive Ukraine’s appropriation of it. ”
                11. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 12: 57
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                  And Russia will need Crimea desperately, and it will never forgive Ukraine’s appropriation of it. ”

                  The last international legal act in respect of Crimea in terms of its legitimacy and legal purity was the Catherine the Great Manifesto of April 8, 1783. It was a contract. That is, from the point of view of international law, any territory is transferred by agreement. Only this can be considered a legitimate transfer. Unlike most autonomies, where there was a predominance of the indigenous population, the Crimean Autonomous Republic was not Tatar. Moreover, 2/3 of the Crimean population was Russian, and only one third consisted of peoples who settled here before the Russians and made up the indigenous population of the peninsula. At the same time, flirting with Kemalist Turkey, the Soviet leadership traditionally nominated mainly people of Tatar origin to leading posts in this republic. It created a misleading impression that the Crimean autonomy was, like all others, national. As you know, in accordance with the decisions of the State Defense Committee of May 11 and June 2, 1944, Tatars from Crimea were evicted. The Crimean region was transformed back into the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as a part of Ukraine in 1991. And in connection with the return of the Crimean Tatars to their historical homeland (massively since 1987), the ethnic map of Crimea began to change again. Between censuses in 1989 and 2001 the proportion of Russians decreased from 65,6% to 58,3%, Ukrainians - from 26,7% to 24,3%. At the same time, the proportion of Crimean Tatars increased from 1,9% to 12%. And the self-proclaimed "Mejlis" ("parliament") of the Tatar people is practically an alternative governing body in a significant territory of the autonomy. The Crimean Tatars are spreading the idea that the Ottoman caliphate, liquidated by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, was the heir to the state founded by the prophet Muhammad. Therefore, it is the duty of every Muslim to fight for the creation of a World Caliphate that will continue the interrupted tradition. The most amazing thing in this whole story is the support of the Tatar separatists of Crimea by the Neo-Bandera party "Freedom" and other Ukrainian structures of a nationalist orientation. Together with the Islamists, they are calling for the “Crimean Peninsula” to be cleared of the “non-Tatar element,” of course, referring to it. But what about the Ukrainians who have long been living in Crimea? The Islamists, therefore, found in the person of "purebred patriots of Ukraine" a force that supports them in the ethnic rejection of the non-Tatar, and therefore the Ukrainian population of Crimea. No matter how wild it sounds, almost Ukrainian nationalists support those who advocate the collapse of Ukraine as a state. Bogdan Bezpalko, deputy director of the Center for Ukrainian Studies and Belarusian Studies at Moscow State University, says: “... you must understand that the existence of Islamists is caused by external causes. The main value of Crimea is that it is a base of naval forces in the Black Sea. Basically, the Russian fleet.
                12. rolik
                  rolik 1 February 2014 13: 04
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                  Basically, the Russian fleet.

                  The Western powers do not care what will happen to the inhabitants of Crimea, how the situation will develop there. They will support any actions that will contribute to crowding out Russia. ”
                  This is a vision of the problem of self-awareness of Ukraine on the one hand. The dialogue, a priori, involves several interested parties. Each side of the dialogue defends its truth, and this is its full right. Now AKIM, you can tell your vision of the history of relations between Ukraine and the Crimea. I specifically divided two concepts, Ukraine and Crimea. since, in my opinion, Crimea has never been a legitimate historical part of Ukraine. For twenty years of its existence outside the framework of the USSR, Ukraine in the economic, political, and self-conscious plans has proved its failure as a state. This is not surprising, all artificially created living does not live long. Its existence contradicts the very idea of ​​development and evolution of an independent living organism, or state. The so-called Ukrainian egregor is not able to cope with the emerging mental attacks of a foreign ideology. As a result, we see now what we see. Ukraine looks like a cancer patient in the last degree of development, while she self-consciously brought herself to such a state. Instead of removing the cancerous foci (when they were small), they were cared for and cherished. As a result, a huge cancerous tumor is now ready to devour and devours the host’s body. If you bring the disease to the very extreme (now it feels like that), you will have to amputate dead organs (all western regions) in order to save the main and important organs (Center, East, Crimea, South)
    2. Akim
      Akim 1 February 2014 12: 40
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      Quote: rolik
      then we know how in Belovezhskaya Pushcha the three leaders agreed on the collapse of the Union. Kravchuk then asked Yeltsin: “What will we do with the Crimea?”, He answered: “Take it away.”

      From all this I will ask. Can you read Krachuk? And then somehow from third parties. Moreover, they did not even mention January 20, 91, the day of the Autonomy of Crimea. where they themselves determined the status in the Ukrainian SSR. I don’t need to broadcast noodles, as Romanians justify themselves in newspapers.
    3. rolik
      rolik 1 February 2014 13: 09
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      Can you read Krachuk?

      For me, Gorbachev, Kravchuk, Yeltsin, Shushkevich (to a lesser extent) are synonyms for the betrayal of an entire people in personal and selfish interests. These are not the people whom you can listen to, they have already betrayed everyone, and there is NO faith in their current words, where they try to make themselves white, fluffy, wise, and fair. For them, personally, I have one definition - S.V.O.L.O.CH.I.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 1 February 2014 00: 36
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    What to substantiate. Geographically, it was easier to close production to the ministries of the Ukrainian SSR than the RSFSR.

    Akim, your position is incorrect smile in such cases it’s impossible to go down in history, so it’s possible to reach the Neadertals as well)) believe us, we also have such problems))))) Take a hit on local legislation, the UN Charter, the Helsinki Agreements, and if you don’t believe it, then turn off the gas, as Mordyukova said laughing that is, tell your country there is also a territory. Claims and that. Let's start supporting the Japanese, Germans and so on.
    In general, guys, you can’t support separatism at the root, once it can also hit any country that supports separatism, so much so that it doesn’t seem enough. And for lovers to take land from others, I would advise you to try and pick up an automatic machine. But here will he do it and whether he will return home alive to the children and to his wife - THIS is another matter bully
  • rolik
    rolik 1 February 2014 04: 05
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    Quote: smersh70
    .And for lovers to take the land from others, I would advise, try and pick up the machine. But he will do it and whether he will return home alive to the children and his wife - this is another question

    It is probably no secret to anyone that the Slavic community is extremely aggressive. The Slavs never had colonies and they did not carry out colonial conquests, unlike the Anglo-Saxons and others, let’s say so communities. Therefore, Crimea is forcibly taken away, no one will and does not want to. The point is always that if the territorial formation of Ukraine begins to divide, then Tavria itself will go to Russia, as a more sober-minded, and confident state. Well, in addition, at the same time, the historical status quo will be respected.
    At the same time, unlike the Japanese, we do not write with boiling water, and do not ask to revise the agreements and give us the peninsula. On the TV box, yesterday, there was information about the construction of a bridge across the Kerch Strait. I am sure that now many "patriots" of Ukraine will raise a howl that this is to the detriment of Ukraine. To the detriment, because it will be easier for the Kremlin to transfer troops across this bridge))))))) Mark my words, it will be so))))))
  • Akim
    Akim 1 February 2014 07: 18
    +1
    Quote: smersh70
    in such cases it’s impossible to go down in history, so it’s possible to reach the neadertals

    IN SUCH CASES WE WILL TAKE ONLY THE NEWEST HISTORY. Remember, one Lithuanian showed us maps of the 16th century, protecting Poland - supposedly to the Dnieper - it was all Poland. We are considering how the arbiter appeared - the League of Nations and the UN.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 1 February 2014 00: 20
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Due to economic feasibility.

    For the same reason, it is necessary to return it back ...
  • rolik
    rolik 31 January 2014 23: 04
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    In what? In loosening the state system?

    In undermining the political system ????? This charge is clearly not addressed. Three marginals were most successful in this, one with a broken brain, the second with a broken conscience, the third and the first and second complete. Not without the help of Yanukovych, of course, or rather, with his complete inaction. And his constant attempts to break his fifth point into two chairs.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 23: 07
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      Quote: rolik
      This charge is clearly not addressed.

      I do not justify those.
  • rolik
    rolik 31 January 2014 22: 58
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    SEPARATIST!!!

    PATRIOT !!!
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 23: 11
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      Quote: rolik
      PATRIOT !!!

      a citizen of Ukraine - he can only be a patriot of his country. When he has a Ukrainian passport and he was waiting for a convenient moment - what should he be called? You can be a co-librarian, but Russia, thank God, is not our enemy.
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    2. alone
      alone 1 February 2014 00: 38
      +3
      rather Potsriot!
  • BYRY
    BYRY 31 January 2014 23: 56
    +2
    Why a separatist? REALIST.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 23: 58
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      Quote: BYRY
      REALIST.

      And that the Constitution was rewritten?
  • ymNIK1970
    ymNIK1970 1 February 2014 02: 28
    +1
    And not only Crimea. Let's list: Odessa region, Nikolaev region, Kherson region, everything depends now on the actions of the "young guard" Yanek. They will start shaking the Maidans, continue to attack the regional state administrations, and ... that's it. Nobody in the South will tolerate. It's easier to go to Russia and keep peace on your land, your property and the lives of your families. And our officials and business certainly have something to lose. Tomorrow at the Palace of Culture Polytechnic, at 13-30 enrollment in the militia. People realized that they would not leave us alone.
    1. Akim
      Akim 1 February 2014 07: 05
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      Maidans will begin to swing, they will continue to attack the regional state administrations, and ... that's all. No one will endure in the South


      The most shameful thing is to slam the door. And fight for your country? I do not appeal physically, but politically. This will be the attitude towards you later in Russia - like cowards.
  • commbatant
    commbatant 31 January 2014 22: 02
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    from a military point of view, we will not be able to ensure the security of such a territory when part of the Ukrainian land that was formerly part of the former RSFSR departs to the Russian Federation, too large a territory, a minimum of AK is needed to control one Crimea ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 22: 05
      +1
      Quote: commbatant
      to control one Crimea, a minimum of AK is needed ...

      From whom and whom will you control there? By the way. Ukraine there is costing three teams.
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  • VADEL
    VADEL 31 January 2014 20: 46
    +3
    Article provocation! Useful for NSA, MI-6 and others.
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka 31 January 2014 16: 21
    +4
    Quote: Vladimirets
    God forbid, Ukraine will fall apart, no matter how some Crimea would like.

    Everything will be fine.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 31 January 2014 16: 40
    +7
    Quote: Vladimirets
    God forbid Ukraine will fall apart

    It will not break up, I think. At least not this time. The process of decay itself is inevitable, but I will not repeat it this year.
    I think for a few years they still somersaults, years of commercials until 2020-21.And there it is, only now it is difficult to say where.
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    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 31 January 2014 16: 56
      +6
      Quote: baltika-18
      Will not break up, I think


      To unite = you need a STRONG leader, and break up = you also need a STRONG leader.

      While there are none!
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 31 January 2014 17: 09
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        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        To unite = you need a STRONG leader

        That's right.
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        break up = also need a STRONG leader.

        But here it’s not quite so, I think. There is enough influence from the outside even on a not very strong figure, an artificial creation. Technologies allow you to crank up such a thing. But this is a big and secret, secret policy.
      2. Lyokhin63
        Lyokhin63 31 January 2014 21: 55
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        To break up, STRONG leaders are harmful. Need decomposition in society. You don’t teach history.
    3. ty60
      ty60 31 January 2014 17: 49
      +1
      Until the money sent by Putin runs out, that's all.
  • ty60
    ty60 31 January 2014 17: 34
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    Yes, he’s like violets. While Ukrainian it’s more profitable to go there.
  • major071
    major071 31 January 2014 18: 21
    +5
    Ukraine will not fall apart
    Do not divide the Slavs people
    And if cattle think differently
    That x. him in the ass, and his mouth laughing
    1. alone
      alone 31 January 2014 19: 18
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      Ukraine will be whole and indivisible. And any talk of partitioning is pure provocation and a hostile attitude towards Ukraine. And after these words, do you want Russia to be treated well there and really hypocrisy has no borders.
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 31 January 2014 19: 58
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    I agree to all 100000 percent. We must clearly remember that - we will be honest Ukraine buffer zone for us and as long as it is integral we have a margin of time in the case of hell knows what terpampampamy. but let's be honest again - in the event of a collapse, Russia should have a clear understanding of where our new frontier should stand. I say very unpleasant things, but not we started it but the impression is that we are the last to rake it
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 31 January 2014 21: 26
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    God forbid, Ukraine will fall apart, no matter how some Crimea would like.


    The author is a whiner in general ... well, what is the use of thinking about "if only". Germany will evict the Poles from Danzig and, thank God, the Poles will receive the Galitsais - for God's sake, let them not complain later that the goods were defective. Rather, it would have already started a hack in this Ukraine, it will be possible to cut off a good piece from it, and most importantly, save the fraternal people along with industry and minerals, well, not without bonuses, of course.
  • Evgenij.
    Evgenij. 1 February 2014 12: 41
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    I agree, even if it will be beneficial to us. It is not worth the deaths and pains of our brothers and sisters
  • starpom
    starpom 31 January 2014 15: 49
    +5
    Your lips, yes ....
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 31 January 2014 22: 05
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      Quote: starpom
      Your lips, yes ....


      Yes, if only our ...
  • ikken
    ikken 31 January 2014 15: 51
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    Protectorate of the Russian Federation? I don’t think so. Nobody needs Russian businessmen there. And there is a chance for local business, half-fused with the UCP, to fall under the arm of the Russian security forces quite legally. Who needs it there?
    1. densh
      densh 31 January 2014 16: 31
      +4
      Quote: ikken
      I don’t think so. Nobody needs Russian businessmen there.

      You don’t think in vain. For quite some time now, there has been a tendency to buy up enterprises by Russian businessmen. But this acquisition is not always beneficial to the enterprise.
    2. Arhj
      Arhj 31 January 2014 16: 32
      +1
      I suspect that Russian business in Ukraine is already very widely represented. Only by no means does he always appear there under the guise of a Russian. Officially, it is Greek, Cypriot, British - there are many offshore zones. Russian business can even be positioned as Ukrainian. For example, our local Arkhangelsk oligarch Krupchak is considered one of the richest citizens of Ukraine, but I have not heard that he was deprived of Russian citizenship.
      It’s just that the Ukrainian authorities really wanted Western companies to buy it. I had to adjust. Again, offshore companies are profitable.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 31 January 2014 17: 35
        +3
        Quote: Arhj
        I suspect that Russian business in Ukraine is already very widely represented.

        EMSS Kramatorsk
        It is part of the Rosatom group. Previously, even the site had a link. Then they removed it. Apparently not profitable to shine.
  • Unknown
    Unknown 31 January 2014 15: 51
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    The picture shows how the EU bear is jumping from the face of Russia. So it is in life.
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    3. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 16: 37
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      Quote: Unknown
      The picture shows how the EU bear is jumping from the face of Russia.

      Have you studied the Rorschach Ink Stains in the hospital?
    4. densh
      densh 31 January 2014 17: 03
      +8
      Quote: Unknown
      The picture shows how the EU bear is jumping from the face of Russia.

      You, my friend, do not smoke this nasty thing anymore, otherwise suddenly the orcs and Sam from the monitor will climb out with the clave-keyboard. wink
  • Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 31 January 2014 15: 54
    +6
    The author is right, the fragmentation of Ukraine can cause a chain reaction with difficult to predict consequences.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 31 January 2014 15: 57
    +7
    Uncle JOE (Stalin) - A genius of all time.
  • DEfindER
    DEfindER 31 January 2014 15: 57
    +13
    In 1939, as a result of the German-Polish war, Poland lost Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. These territories went to the USSR.

    Actually, it’s not at all like that, the USSR then regained the lands that Poland had seized during the civil war in Russia. These lands previously belonged to the Russian Empire, and the Poles did not live there at all.
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 31 January 2014 16: 51
      +1
      More precisely, not at all. These lands have historically been the territory of the Russian principalities. In the 13-14 centuries, they were for the most part gradually conquered by the Lithuanian princes, but even they ruled over them did not dispute their belonging to the Russians. Up to the point that they used the name Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Russia. After the union of Poland and Lithuania, these lands became the territory of what would now be called the "union state" of the Commonwealth. But Poland and Rzeczpospolita are not identical concepts.
      In reality, only Lvov belonged to Poland, founded by the Galician-Volyn prince Daniel. That is, in 1939, the USSR returned historical Russian lands, and even Lithuania, which at that time was by the way the territory of the USSR, has more rights to these lands than the Poles.
      1. Akim
        Akim 31 January 2014 16: 55
        +6
        Quote: Arhj
        In reality, only Lvov belonged to Poland, founded by the Galician-Volyn prince Daniel.

        And it was not a Russian prince? He, after all, was planted by the people who rule Kiev.
        1. Orik
          Orik 31 January 2014 17: 12
          -3
          Oh, that Kiev was no longer that KIEV after the Tatar ruin.
          1. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 17: 19
            +3
            Quote: Orik
            Oh, that Kiev was no longer that KIEV after the Tatar ruin.

            Read the materiel. Daniel was the Grand Duke of Kiev. before the Tatars attacked him.
            1. densh
              densh 31 January 2014 17: 37
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              . Daniel was the Grand Duke of Kiev. before the Tatars attacked him.

              So he managed to visit the king afterwards. But in general, he was a normal ruler of those times, an ardent patriot of his beloved. And it does not make sense to position him as a true Russian or Ukrainian. Moreover, he did not even know about Ukraine.
              1. Akim
                Akim 31 January 2014 17: 44
                +3
                Quote: densh
                it as true Russian or Ukrainian does not make sense.

                And who spoke about the "Ukrainian trace"?
                1. densh
                  densh 31 January 2014 17: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  And who spoke about the "Ukrainian trace"?

                  I apologize! I remembered about Ukrainian Pedevikia. hi
            2. Orik
              Orik 31 January 2014 18: 15
              +1
              At the time of the Mongol invasion of the Chernigov-Seversk lands in 1240, the Grand Duke of Kiev was Mikhail Vsevoldovich, who fled to Hungary, and Daniel sent his voivode Dmitry, who led the defense of Kiev, and was captured as a result of the surrender of Kiev. "Ownership" period maximum six months laughing. Learn the story ...
        2. Arhj
          Arhj 31 January 2014 18: 50
          0
          I said "were the territory of Russian principalities", this also applied to Lvov. About Lviv it meant that it was the only one under the rule of Poland for some time, and did not inherit from Lithuania.
    2. Orik
      Orik 31 January 2014 17: 06
      -1
      Quote: DEfindER
      Actually, it’s not at all like that, the USSR then regained the lands that Poland had seized during the civil war in Russia. These lands previously belonged to the Russian Empire, and the Poles did not live there at all.

      The three most western regions of Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Chernovetskaya were not fully included, one Lutsk was partly included.
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 4 February 2014 15: 33
        0
        Quote: Orik
        The three most western regions of Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Chernovetskaya were not fully included, one Lutsk was partly included.

        All right, we joined Western Ukraine only after the war, and Stalin did not want to take it, but Truman talked ..
  • Black
    Black 31 January 2014 15: 59
    +5
    In this turmoil, Ukraine will cease to exist as such. Euromaidanutyh again hawking through the forests. Poles from them for the fortieth three skins will lower.
  • Arh
    Arh 31 January 2014 16: 06
    +5
    It would be better if it didn’t break up, but they expelled the fascist plague! ! ! )))
  • shark
    shark 31 January 2014 16: 07
    +20
    I got the Ukrainian theme. I got it to God. You read Ukrainian sites and bought it in the mud. It’s the opposite. All these people are happy, they’re doing good. The Russian people, in fact, give their homeland to the hands of wretched and vile Europeans. Why Russian? But because the Ukrainians are also Russians. More precisely, they are Russians, and not some made-up Ukrainians. So if someone in Ukraine has the courage to abandon the European captivity, then why Ukraine will not fall apart. And nobody will let out roll the west of Ukraine with tank trucks. Times are unfortunately not the same .. So, in the best case, Ukraine is threatened by the federation. And by the way, until the Ukrainian authorities firmly suppress fascist-fascist gatherings, I propose to write the name of an inexplicable geographical entity Ukraine with a small letter. I must also earn the capital letter
  • rugor
    rugor 31 January 2014 16: 12
    +3
    Quote: DEfindER
    In 1939, as a result of the German-Polish war, Poland lost Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. These territories went to the USSR.

    Actually, it’s not at all like that, the USSR then regained the lands that Poland had seized during the civil war in Russia. These lands previously belonged to the Russian Empire, and the Poles did not live there at all.


    The USSR and Poland crushed for themselves. Poles are still writing lips on this subject.
    1. densh
      densh 31 January 2014 16: 44
      +5
      Quote: rugor
      Poles are still writing lips on this subject.

      Poles have been putting their lips together in various "positura" for a couple of centuries. Well, and a scrap that goes to them in the back. And in general, a Svidomo Pole without hatred of Russia is a flawed creature and there can be no real patriot of unhappy Poland. hi
  • Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 31 January 2014 16: 25
    0
    But then, one doesn’t even want to fantasize, NATO is in any case the end, and Germany is a new center of power and simply an accomplished hegemon in Europe.

    The author, before "wildly fantasizing", for a start it would be nice to study the materiel. Namely, who and what constitutes the backbone of NATO in Europe.

    In Europe, approximately 78 of thousands of American troops are deployed. Of these, 68 thousand are directly subordinated to the European command: 35 thousand serve in the Army, 25 thousand in the Air Force and 10 thousand in the Navy and Marine Corps
    Today on the territory of Germany about 52 of thousands of American soldiers are deployed. This is the second largest contingent of US troops outside the country. Also 20 atomic bombs placed near the city of Büchel in the federal state of Rhineland-Palatinate in western Germany.
    At present, the number of German ground forces is ~ 84450 people (including 3260 female soldiers), and taking into account posts in educational institutions - 92200 people.


    In fact, Germany is "occupied". Europe as a whole is almost completely under US military and financial control.
    And who will send the USA from vassals?
    1. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 31 January 2014 16: 38
      +2
      In Europe, approximately 78 of thousands of American troops are deployed. Of these, 68 thousand are directly subordinated to the European command: 35 thousand serve in the Army, 25 thousand in the Air Force and 10 thousand in the Navy and Marine Corps
      Today on the territory of Germany about 52 of thousands of American soldiers are deployed. This is the second largest contingent of US troops outside the country. Also 20 atomic bombs placed near the city of Büchel in the federal state of Rhineland-Palatinate in western Germany.
      At present, the number of German ground forces is ~ 84450 people (including 3260 female soldiers), and taking into account posts in educational institutions - 92200 people.

      there was an article here ... that even Belarus was able to destroy such a grouping ...
  • GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 31 January 2014 16: 28
    +3
    And Galicia sooner or later will become part of Poland as its historical part.

    The authors who write this at least once in this Galicia itself? Yes there during the day with fire you will not find more than one Pole! Land ownership is determined by the people living on it. And in general, if you so aim at pseudo-Polish historical lands, then Smolensk also falls under them in the same way as the whole of Belarus.
    Geopolitical fantasies of an amateur who does not know the story!
    1. densh
      densh 31 January 2014 17: 10
      +2
      A spokeswoman for the Ukrainian neo-Nazi organization Right Sector gave an interview to the largest Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita, where he said that Ukraine should be “returned” the lands from which the Rusyns were resettled as a result of the Vistula operation.

      In particular, Tarasenko emphasized that it was the task of the "Right Sector" as nationalists to unite and return the ethnic lands where "Ukrainians have lived for several thousand years."

      Neo-Nazi is not embarrassed that this position does not entirely comply with the law and traditions of the EU, where, it would seem, a community called “euromaidan” is striving. He said that Ukraine does not have a place in the European Union, since this contradicts the idea of ​​a national state.
      That is, western Ukraine agreed to include Poland. wassat
    2. Viktor1
      Viktor1 31 January 2014 17: 47
      +5
      It’s interesting, but you yourself were here (I mean Galicia). Therefore, do not la la about the absence of pscheks here. But there are quite a lot of people who are against the Maidan and all this gimmick. But their opinions will never be voiced in our corrupt media.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 31 January 2014 16: 37
    +3
    The Ukrainians must decide everything for themselves (despite the fact that I personally have many relatives there), and the Russian Federation, in case of infringement of the Russian-speaking population, insist on a referendum "On the future of Ukraine." and the United States "based on the appeal of the citizens of Ukraine" to act as a guarantor, or somehow differently, based on the norms of international law, in the question "On the creation of an East Ukrainian state (they will decide for themselves!). I am sure that several more regions will join As for the "bandlerlogs" - the Poles are "very much looking forward to" them, they remember everything !!! Moreover, the most important thing in the future of the Russian Federation in relation to the Western regions and their future is to maintain neutrality or help the Poles establish control over "their original lands", immigrants and labor force from Galicia should not be allowed into the Russian Federation! Well, they will want to become part of the Russian Federation: the northeastern, eastern, southeastern, southern regions to be admitted to the Russian Federation as a full-blooded republic with all the necessary benefits and powers, rights. The Ukrainians are brothers to us, they are the same RUSSIANS. In the future, we need to think about expanding the European-Asian Union!
    1. ty60
      ty60 31 January 2014 18: 00
      0
      Yes, half of Galicia, builders-gaster in the north of Russia! Immediately with one cartridge for two woodcocks.
    2. yur
      yur 31 January 2014 22: 19
      +2
      IN NO EVENT "on the rights of a full-blooded republic." Only separately by region. Otherwise, these unions, separations will last forever, we already have a bitter experience.
  • Bagatur
    Bagatur 31 January 2014 16: 39
    +4
    The governments of the Commonwealth cannot be blamed for having reason))) so .... they are always able to surprise the world with the greatest dumbness !!! Poles always had for themselves an opinion far superior to their real possibilities. It is a pity if Ukraine will decay, then Russia will take its toll !!!
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 31 January 2014 16: 47
    +1
    Ukrainian nationalists share European aid

  • wolf1945
    wolf1945 31 January 2014 16: 47
    +1
    MILITARY SHOULD TAKE POWER IN HANDS UNTIL LATE! soldier
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 16: 49
      +2
      Quote: Wolf1945
      MILITARY SHOULD TAKE POWER IN HANDS UNTIL LATE!

      And what will they do? Rather: What can they do?
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 31 January 2014 17: 33
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: Wolf1945
        MILITARY SHOULD TAKE POWER IN HANDS UNTIL LATE!

        And what will they do? Rather: What can they do?

        Not what, but by what and by whom, there’s no army.
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 17: 46
          -1
          Quote: ed65b
          there’s no army.

          My dad number 2 with ensign education.
        2. GastaClaus69
          GastaClaus69 31 January 2014 17: 56
          0
          Quote: ed65b

          Not what, but by what and by whom, there’s no army.

          The army, that is, only purposefully it was made impotent for 20 years so that they did not have real strength and did not prevent the newly baked oligarchs from plundering the Soviet legacy.
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 31 January 2014 19: 16
            +2
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            Quote: ed65b

            Not what, but by what and by whom, there’s no army.

            The army, that is, only purposefully it was made impotent for 20 years so that they did not have real strength and did not prevent the newly baked oligarchs from plundering the Soviet legacy.

            I'm talking about the same thing.
      2. ty60
        ty60 31 January 2014 18: 01
        +2
        there will be a sea of ​​blood.
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 31 January 2014 17: 19
      +1
      Until yes, this pseudo-army will rot faster than fish in the heat.
      And then the rebels will have weapons. Cho, we again disentangle?
      1. Akim
        Akim 31 January 2014 17: 24
        -8
        Quote: leon-iv
        Until yes, this pseudo-army will rot faster than fish in the heat

        It is only Russia that can entrust the army with police functions.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 31 January 2014 17: 33
          +8
          Lal do you want to pull?
          Ali there just to say for the pseudo-army of the pseudo country?
          What is it called there
          VGN- Temporary State Misunderstanding Urkain. Which signs of statehood are less and less. With a people whose brain was raped for 20 years.
          With a bunch of internal contradictions in the center of the capital which hang portraits of Bandera and draw swastikas. Where the youths go with torches throwing zigulechki. And three carcasses are trying to jump without solving anything.
          Where initially the principle of building a state was based on the slogan Ukraine is not Russia trying to unite different civilizations without a mono-ethnic group. With every election a coup attempt?
          Well, yes, yes, Shche did not die Urkaina.
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 31 January 2014 17: 34
          +5
          Quote: Akim
          Quote: leon-iv
          Until yes, this pseudo-army will rot faster than fish in the heat

          It is only Russia that can entrust the army with police functions.

          We generally trust the army and the same point to break the enemies. But here you can entrust your question. In fact, nothing.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 31 January 2014 17: 36
            +1
            So we and the police trust more. For there are troubled places. And in them in the same Odessa almost the whole day destroyed pseudo-terrorists.
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 January 2014 17: 51
              -4
              Quote: leon-iv
              And in them in the same Odessa almost the whole day destroyed pseudo-terrorists.

              Only recently, your gavriks also stormed the house in the same way with armored personnel carriers and RPGs and managed to lose two - the kingdom of heaven to them.
          2. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 17: 48
            -5
            Quote: ed65b
            But here you can entrust your question.

            Once again I am convinced that Odessa will not become part of Russia.
            1. ed65b
              ed65b 31 January 2014 19: 20
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              Quote: ed65b
              But here you can entrust your question.

              Once again I am convinced that Odessa will not become part of Russia.

              Odessa may come in, but whether you lie, we’ll send you bananas on the palm, where you really have a place. The tail will grow to the ancestors. laughing
              1. Akim
                Akim 31 January 2014 19: 32
                -3
                Quote: ed65b
                but whether you lie, we’ll send you bananas on the palm, there is where you actually have a place.

                And you are those who on the Maidan you call fascists. And from the very racism is deceiving.
                1. uhjpysq1
                  uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 19: 57
                  -4
                  and what makes the dog stink of you? Bandera caches?
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 31 January 2014 19: 59
                    -2
                    Quote: uhjpysq1
                    and what makes the dog stink of you?

                    So the creatures got out ...
                2. ed65b
                  ed65b 31 January 2014 22: 44
                  -2
                  Judging by the fact that you are a Negro, it means from Africa and where is your place? right on the palm tree. laughing So if you are called an akim, sit on a cute palm tree. laughing You do not work as a weight sinker? there are many like you laughing
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 31 January 2014 22: 56
                    +2
                    Quote: ed65b
                    Judging by the fact that you are a Negro, it means from Africa and where is your place?


                    BROTHER-2
                  2. Oleg Kharkov
                    Oleg Kharkov 1 February 2014 04: 16
                    0
                    Recently talked with Native Americans. It turned out that it was incorrect to call blacks African-Americans. Since in Africa there are not only blacks, but a lot of different nationalities with different skin colors. It's just a stereotype that since Africa means elephants and blacks. This is to the fact that you need to look at everything more broadly - can there be colors other than black and white? EU-CU, Bendera, simply amazingly wide variety
                    1. ed65b
                      ed65b 1 February 2014 08: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Oleg Kharkov
                      Recently talked with Native Americans. It turned out that it was incorrect to call blacks African-Americans. Since in Africa there are not only blacks, but a lot of different nationalities with different skin colors. It's just a stereotype that since Africa means elephants and blacks. This is to the fact that you need to look at everything more broadly - can there be colors other than black and white? EU-CU, Bendera, simply amazingly wide variety

                      No thanks, so join the EU and look at the rainbow homosexual. and we have everything clearly - white, black, yellow, red. no more skin colors.
  • MolGro
    MolGro 31 January 2014 16: 47
    +3
    Wish the brothers evil is bad !!
    Therefore, Ukraine must be whole and destroy Bandera and grant-eaters on its territory. This is the only way to stay safe!
  • officer29
    officer29 31 January 2014 17: 05
    0
    It’s time to convene the Third Congress in Severodonetsk! The second was somehow crumpled and slurred! yes
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 17: 08
      -3
      Quote: officer29
      It is time to convene the Third Congress in Severodonetsk

      Are you for the urinal? (Pivdenno-shіdnu ukrainsky republic).
      1. officer29
        officer29 31 January 2014 17: 55
        0
        Nah! I am for the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic! hi
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 18: 00
          -2
          Quote: officer29
          Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic!

          And we give her, as history teaches, a year.
          1. officer29
            officer29 31 January 2014 20: 27
            0
            Then Moscow itself was against it! Wishing to see Ukraine "united and indivisible". The combat forces of the DKR were thrown at Tsaritsyn, and Ukraine was given to the Germans in accordance with the Brest Peace and the betrayal of the BP UNR! am
        2. 10kAzAk01
          10kAzAk01 1 February 2014 06: 38
          +1
          Nah! I am for the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic!

          On old maps, these are lands of the Don Army ...
      2. Curculum
        Curculum 31 January 2014 21: 51
        0
        Quote: Akim
        URINAL? (Pivdenno-shіdnu ukrainsky republic)

        ?????? Have you surpassed your parent in education?
        Quote: Akim
        My dad number 2 with ensign education.
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 21: 59
          0
          Quote: Kurkul
          Have you surpassed your parent in education?

          That is how the Severodonetsk decisions were called. What to do - if the reduction is consonant.
          1. Curculum
            Curculum 31 January 2014 22: 16
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            What to do - if the reduction is consonant.

            I do not have an ear for music, but I do distinguish between the works of "Deep Purple" and M. Magomayev. In the same way it is possible to "sound" the digging of the earth with the game of chess (shovel - stalemate).
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 January 2014 22: 28
              0
              Quote: Kurkul
              In the same way it is possible to "sound" the digging of the earth with the game of chess (shovel - stalemate).

              PISUR - it was proposed to name the country in winter 2004. Is it consonant?
              1. Curculum
                Curculum 31 January 2014 22: 35
                0
                Quote: Akim
                PISUR - it was proposed to name the country in winter 2004. Is it consonant?

                Tady, kaneshno, and cesspool - koala consonant laughing
                1. Akim
                  Akim 31 January 2014 22: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Kurkul
                  cesspool - koala is consonant

                  And that too. But we rarely meet koalas. and in the country PISSUAR live like with the surname KAKASHKIN.
                  1. Curculum
                    Curculum 31 January 2014 22: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Akim
                    and in the country the urinal to live

                    Those. the abbreviation of the name of the state is formed not by adding the initial letters from the words of one language (for example), but on the basis of harmony? Original-s. fellow
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 31 January 2014 23: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Kurkul
                      Those. the abbreviation of the name of the state is formed not by adding the initial letters from the words of one language (for example), but on the basis of harmony?

                      South Africa in Ukrainian is read PAR, and in Polish RPA.
                      1. Curculum
                        Curculum 31 January 2014 23: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        South Africa in Ukrainian is read PAR, and in Polish RPA.

                        I categorically agree, another example: the Soviet Union read the Soviet Socialist Republic on the mov (by the way, did you complex then? After all, you can find an interesting consonance in your analogue), in the Soviet Union - in the Soviet Union, but these are examples of abbreviations from the words of one language, and not
                        Quote: Akim
                        URINAL? (Pivdenno-shіdnu ukrainsky republic).
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 31 January 2014 23: 21
                        0
                        СРСР - does not bind in any way, although he can also come up with an offensive name. Would PISUR, the second used part of Ukraine neighing.
                      3. Curculum
                        Curculum 31 January 2014 23: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        Would PISUR, the second used part of Ukraine neighing.

                        That's for sure, for that they and horses - to laugh and similar to come up. For something creative - nothing.
                      4. Akim
                        Akim 31 January 2014 23: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        For something creative - nothing.

                        Being a billionaire Kakashkin, they will still make fun of you.
                      5. Curculum
                        Curculum 31 January 2014 23: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        Being a billionaire Kakashkin, they will still make fun of you.

                        In your opinion, creative - to become a billionaire?
                      6. Akim
                        Akim 31 January 2014 23: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        In your opinion, creative - to become a billionaire?

                        Good. The best Kakashkin combiner doesn't sound either.
                      7. Curculum
                        Curculum 31 January 2014 23: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        The best Kakashkin combiner doesn't sound either.

                        Unfortunately, "combiner" does not sound right now. Why plow, sow, prepare machinery for spring? "Glory to Ukraine" and to Kiev - that's what it sounds like.
                      8. Akim
                        Akim 31 January 2014 23: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Kurkul
                        "Glory to Ukraine" and to Kiev - that's what it sounds like.

                        There are enough patients, but there are not so many places in the mental hospital.
                      9. Curculum
                        Curculum 1 February 2014 00: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        There are enough patients, but there are not so many places in the mental hospital.

                        Oh, in this way, and in the process of dialogue, the still necessary objects of building construction emerge - mental hospitals, and these are jobs. It remains for the small - whom on bablos investments untwist interest.
          2. Curculum
            Curculum 31 January 2014 23: 33
            -1
            By the way, what about the US abbreviation on mov - not OSHA, by chance?
            Consonance will not throw?
          3. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 23: 37
            +1
            State of America (USA)
          4. Curculum
            Curculum 31 January 2014 23: 45
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            State of America (USA)

            Gee, sho "got it", sho "accident" - some kind of consonance. But, I understand that the second half indicated by you will not laugh at something like that - the grantmaker may be offended ... bully
          5. Akim
            Akim 31 January 2014 23: 53
            +1
            Quote: Kurkul
            But, I understand that the second half indicated by you will not laugh at the similar one - the grant-giver can offend ...

            They laugh at this pun, and even on the air.
          6. Curculum
            Curculum 1 February 2014 00: 01
            0
            Quote: Akim
            They laugh at this pun, and even on the air.

            Come on ... And the second half is laughing? What time! I’ll look in net ...
          7. Akim
            Akim 1 February 2014 00: 06
            0
            I think Lviv or Kolomyia TV will be hard to find.
          8. Curculum
            Curculum 1 February 2014 00: 15
            0
            Quote: Akim
            I think Lviv or Kolomyia TV will be hard to find.

            it's a pity crying
          9. Akim
            Akim 1 February 2014 00: 29
            0
            Quote: Kurkul
            it's a pity

            You can find channels, but there you have to shovel a bunch of material. Do you need it?
          10. Curculum
            Curculum 1 February 2014 00: 41
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Do you need it?

            And who is easy?
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 23: 32
    0
    and you had to be born in the USSR) did not crap with this case)
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 23: 38
      0
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      not crap up with this)

      No. It’s normal, although he spoiled the diaper in childhood.
  • Camouflet
    Camouflet 31 January 2014 17: 10
    +4
    "Suddenly" Ukraine will not fall apart. Anyway, soon.
    She needs help in this.

    As soon as two states are formed from it, Russia will significantly strengthen, and Europe will weaken. But three subjects - "this is too much."

    Europe does not want collapse for a simple reason - it wants to grab everything. The robbery of Ukraine (primarily the east and south) will allow the European Union to stretch out another 10-15 or even more years. Therefore, this "union" and breaks on the train. hair. But what Russia wants is not clear.

    Whether Europe wants to accept only the western part of Ukraine is a big question. I think that in this scenario, Galicia will be in the European lobby for 50 years, no less.

    Galicia will never become part of Poland. It's a delusion. "Heroes" won't allow it.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 31 January 2014 18: 12
      0
      "Heroes" will not be asked.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 31 January 2014 17: 12
    0
    Maybe those who offer a parliamentary republic in Ukraine and more powers to the regions are right? The president under the name - "the golden mean" is likely not to be found.
  • Altona
    Altona 31 January 2014 17: 12
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    FUCK TO YOU !!! The maximum is a federal structure of Ukraine, instead of a unitary one.

    -----------------
    Yakshcho Ukraine disintegrate, it’s just that the status quo ... Yak bulo ... No need to worry ...
  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 31 January 2014 17: 17
    0
    In connection with the crisis in Ukraine, my proletarian proposal is as follows:
    1. Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Kherson, Crimea, Odessa will be called "Little Russia". Tsarevich - Yanukovych, capital Kharkiv
    2. Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Transcarpathia, Lutsk, called ZUNR, Elector - Tyagnibok
    3. Khmelnitsky, Zhytomyr, Vinnitsa, Cherkasy, Kirovograd, Chernivtsi, the name Ukraine will remain, the hetman - Yatsenyuk
    4. Kiev, Chernihiv, Sumy, Poltava we will return the beautiful name Kievan Rus, Prince Klitschko

    Everyone is happy, everyone is happy, everyone has his own wise ruler.

    PS: item 3 and 4 can be combined if Princess Tymoshenko frees herself
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 31 January 2014 17: 36
      +2
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Elector - Tyagnibok

      Not the Elector, but the Gauleiter.
    2. densh
      densh 31 January 2014 17: 40
      +2
      Quote: Novel 1977
      In connection with the crisis in Ukraine, my proletarian proposal is as follows:

      Aha! So the State Department’s voice erupted. laughing
    3. ty60
      ty60 31 January 2014 18: 06
      0
      And roughly this is how the priorities are divided. Allow the cut to the principalities, and then who will rush to where.
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 31 January 2014 17: 17
    +1
    Cho is sawing Nenka again? wassat
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 31 January 2014 17: 18
    +2
    The author does not take into account the likes and dislikes of the population. Zapadentsy and Poles are blood enemies, the entry of Galicia into Poland is a headache for the latter. But cleaning up the territory will not work even if the EU permits it. For reference: in Soviet times, the authorities said that the last Bandera was taken in 1967, as it turned out, they were mistaken.
  • indiggo
    indiggo 31 January 2014 17: 27
    +3
    the guys need to take into account the reality, Russia will not give up Ukraine (I'm talking about the east) but right now all the diplomatic and financial opportunities are directed to Sochi, but after the Olympics we will all see how the situation will change quickly ... I think that Crimea will be Russian, firstly pro-Russian population, Black Sea Fleet, shipbuilding complex ...
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 31 January 2014 17: 28
    +2
    Quote: ikken
    Protectorate of the Russian Federation? I don’t think so. Nobody needs Russian businessmen there.

    And no one will ask there. If Poland wants to return Western Ukraine, and Germany wants to return its Eastern lands located in Poland, then Russia also has the right to demand the return of Crimea and Odessa region. And the UN will divide everything, because to stabilize Ukraine, strong hands and a strong economy are needed. The Poles quickly cracked down on nationalists and fascists. Russia-also bayonets deal with objectionable. Only the Poles will have to share with Germany and this overshadows this blessed picture. But Poland didn’t conquer Germany, it’s not necessary to give its own.
  • platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 31 January 2014 17: 29
    +1
    fagots are not stupid, they put Ukraine on a barrel of gunpowder and set fire to the wick, it smolders, but when it explodes and the Ukrainians fuck ... it will come and in Europe it’s not too hot for everyone to see, and we’ll launch our conveyor as in 45 goods td. etc. Everyone in Europe will be distorted, debts will be written off, the war will be muddied with China and they are in chocolate.
  • captain
    captain 31 January 2014 17: 30
    +1
    The Pole must return the lands that they hated from them. Glory to Ukraine.
    1. densh
      densh 31 January 2014 18: 09
      +1
      Quote: captain
      Glory to Ukraine.

      Bullshit !!! negative
    2. gunter_laux
      gunter_laux 31 January 2014 20: 24
      0
      yeah, and Glory to the Heroes!
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 31 January 2014 17: 31
    0
    Quote: MolGro
    Wish the brothers evil is bad !!
    Therefore, Ukraine must be whole and destroy Bandera and grant-eaters on its territory. This is the only way to stay safe!

    I fully agree. In general, Ukrainians themselves must decide the question of partition; nobody needs a partition of Ukraine. Europe doesn’t need the western part of Ukraine - it’s just a headache and no resources –– give them all of Ukraine, but the eastern and southern regions themselves do not want to join the European Union, and not everyone in the West agrees. In my opinion, you just need to cleanse Ukraine of the neo-fascists and then everything will fall into place. And let the United States and Quropa scream at the mouth to shout about violation of shit democracy and power methods, crying
  • indiggo
    indiggo 31 January 2014 17: 39
    0
    Quote: Andrew Peter
    I fully agree. In general, Ukrainians themselves must decide the question of partition

    the trick is that they won’t be allowed to do this. such is the reality ...
  • Cetegg
    Cetegg 31 January 2014 17: 40
    +1
    They also spoke about South Ossetia and Abkhazia, no one will recognize them except us, will not be allowed to leave Georgia, etc. etc.!) USonists themselves set a precedent in Kosovo, and we can use it, in our favor! Would this be the political will and the will of the people of Ukraine! Let the West of Ukraine enter Europe or Romania with Poland, after 10-15 years there will not be a population there and we will quietly remove everything for ourselves!))
  • indiggo
    indiggo 31 January 2014 17: 45
    0
    do not compare. these are 2 different things, then the west miscalculated, now they are prepared, it started great
    chess geopolitical game ...
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 31 January 2014 17: 50
    -1
    This is what happens to countries that don't care about their Army ..! I remember in the summer or autumn there was an article on VO (I don't remember exactly what it was called), but the meaning is that Ukraine is reducing its Army supposedly on a contract basis (and where is the money Zin ..?) And the like .. We are all selling military equipment .. (there is a whole there was an epic and another 2000 tanks for cutting, etc ..) Now we see the result of the situation There is no army, no money, no leader of the nation, no Ukraine ... Anarchy = mother of order! But Makhno at that time did not hold out for long with his slogan "Beat the whites until they turn red and beat the reds until they turn white." ... The Cheka then cleaned this nonsense for a long time (without really understanding ..) .. Again, repetition of almost 100 summer history begins ..?
    1. alone
      alone 31 January 2014 19: 26
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Makhno at that time did not hold out for long with his slogan "Beat the whites until they turn red and beat the red ones until they turn white." ..


      This slogan was from the movie "Adjutant of His Excellency". With this slogan A. Papanov ran there in the role of Father Angel. Makhno has nothing to do with this.

      the slogan of RPAU (revolutionary insurgent army of Ukraine) was as follows:

      death, to those who prevent the freedom of the working people. Learn materiel, Vitaliy)))
  • Cetegg
    Cetegg 31 January 2014 17: 51
    +1
    in chess, by the way, there is always an opportunity to outplay an opponent, and if you don’t know how to play, then there’s nothing to sit down!) Thank God, recently our "chess players" have added)))
  • indiggo
    indiggo 31 January 2014 17: 52
    0
    and it will always be so, who does not want to feed his army, he will feed someone else's ...
  • demotivator
    demotivator 31 January 2014 17: 54
    +1
    Quote: Jurkovs
    The author does not take into account the likes and dislikes of the population.

    Maybe it doesn't. But who and when asked the population at all in such cases? And even more so his "sympathies-antipathies". In 1938. Who was interested in the opinions of the people of Czechoslovakia when Britain and France gave it to Germany and Poland for reprisal? And who listened to the opinion of the peoples of the USSR who voted in the referendum to preserve the USSR? By the way, the Ukrainians, as far as I remember, then were among the first to rush from our common country to "Independence". Only now they understand this "independence" somehow one-sidedly, believing that someone is simply obliged to support them. Whether Russia or Europe. As Zhirinovsky said recently:
    For Ukraine, this is any affiliation, anywhere to join. Tell them to join the organization of African Unity, but there will be a free visa to Poland or Germany, and they will do it. Some of these people are in Ukraine; they abstractly want freedom.

    In short, it’s not the people on the Maidan who decide who, how, and how many parts to disintegrate. And in a completely different place.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 31 January 2014 17: 55
    +1
    the collapse of Ukraine is favored only by western mongrel
  • indiggo
    indiggo 31 January 2014 18: 02
    0
    Quote: Leshka
    the collapse of Ukraine is favored only by western mongrel

    let's be honest that we are also profitable.
    1. MVS
      MVS 31 January 2014 21: 29
      0
      Quote: indiggo
      let's be honest that we are also profitable.

      Than? The collapse of Ukraine can turn into a lot of blood. And not only for Ukraine.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 31 January 2014 18: 11
    0
    It will be just great. One people - one state.
  • demotivator
    demotivator 31 January 2014 18: 12
    +2
    .under any Ukrainian government, Ukraine will not be allowed to fall apart. Till....

    However, some think that Ukraine is doomed. It can not be kept within its current borders, because in this form it could exist only as part of the USSR. Ukraine is doomed both on economic and cultural-psychological grounds, which means that someday it must inevitably be divided.
    Here is what Maxim Kalashnikov writes about this:
    "After the dismemberment of the Soviet Union, Ukraine was doomed economically: the South-East (Donbass and Novorossia), painted green on the map, was forced, dying, to support the hopelessly depressed Western Ukraine (Banderistan) with subsidies. determination of inter-budgetary committees or the regional budget of the Ternopil region earns UAH 243 million 984,6 thousand, and subsidies from the state budget are provided - UAH 630 million 063 thousand What can I comment on? Ivano-Frankivsk region earns UAH 341 million 938 thousand and UAH 776 million 532 thousand - equalization subsidy from the state budget. Lviv region - UAH 878 million 243 thousand earns, and UAH 1 billion, 358 million 253 thousand receives from the state budget ... "
    So, the budget of the Ternopil region is subsidized by 72%, the budget of the Ivano-Frankivsk region is subsidized by 69,4%. Finally, the Lviv region is subsidized by 60,7%. Not Chechnya, of course, which is 90% subsidized, but still impressive. These are the same three regions that make up Banderistan - the main source of Russophobia and tension in Ukraine. They are marked on the map as "Wild West." He is fed by Novorossia and Donbass. Upon separation, this territory will instantly become a kind of impoverished Moldova.
    At the same time, Banderistan (Galicia) despises Donbass and Novorossia, looking at subsidies as a kind of tribute paid by the "regions" to the "bearers of true Ukrainianness."
    1. yehat
      yehat 31 January 2014 18: 26
      0
      what are you talking about, how can someone win in this game?
      You can only win by abandoning the game itself! But the stunned youth has only cliches in their heads, they do not operate with either knowledge or facts, but only with emotions.
      And essentially not sane. Yes, they list hundreds and thousands of small insults, but forget that they themselves create millions of problems.
  • delfinN
    delfinN 31 January 2014 18: 17
    +1
    May God grant that Ukraine breaks up! We need not only Crimea, but also the South and East. And let the jackals take the fuck. Only so soon! [/ Quote]
    But Pyotr Nikolaevich even when he warned Kolya Palkin:
    Here is an excerpt from a note by State Councilor Pyotr Nikolayevich Durnovo to Emperor Nicholas II. The note was filed in February 1914, i.e. even before the outbreak of World War I. This document is the clearest evidence of the fact that the Black Hundred monarchists perfectly understood the essence of the events that took place, saw their causes and guessed the consequences. RIGHT WERE RIGHTS. But they, unfortunately, were in the minority among the political elite on the eve of the revolution, which generally craved for change. Many saw the light when they were forced to flee from the flames of the country, there, in a foreign land, they realized what the monarchist Durnovo understood back in 1914:
    Quite the same with Galicia. For the sake of the idea of ​​national sentimentalism, it is clearly unprofitable for us to attach to our homeland a region that has lost any living connection with it. After all, for an insignificant handful of Russians in the spirit of the Galicians, how many Poles, Jews, Ukrainianized Uniates will we get? The so-called Ukrainian or Mazepa movement is not scary for us now, but we should not let it grow, increasing the number of restless Ukrainian elements, since in this movement there is an undeniable germ of extremely dangerous Little Russian separatism, which, under favorable conditions, can reach completely unexpected proportions.
    1. Sour
      Sour 31 January 2014 20: 09
      +2
      RIGHT WERE RIGHTS
      Here is what Durnovo wrote about the prospect of a war with Germany and a revolution.
      “Of course, Russia is a particularly fertile ground for social upheavals, where the masses of the people undoubtedly profess the principles of unconscious socialism ... The Russian commoner, peasant and worker alike do not seek political rights, both unnecessary and incomprehensible to him. land, the worker - about transferring to him all the capital and profits of the manufacturer, and their desire does not go further than this. And once these slogans are widely thrown at the population, if the government authorities irrevocably allow agitation in this direction, Russia will undoubtedly be plunged into anarchy ... The war with Germany will create extremely favorable conditions for such agitation.As already noted, this war is fraught with enormous difficulties for us ... Military failures are inevitable - let us hope, partial, - one or another shortcoming in our supply.With the exceptional nervousness of our society, these circumstances will be exaggerated This is a matter of critical importance, and if this society is in opposition, everything will be blamed on the government ... In the event of failure, the possibility of which, in the fight against such an enemy as Germany, one cannot but foresee, a social revolution, in its most extreme manifestations, is inevitable in our country .. Socialist slogans, the only ones that can raise and group broad strata of the population, are first a black redistribution, and then a general division of all values ​​and property. The defeated army, which, moreover, lost its most reliable personnel during the war, and was seized for the most part by a spontaneously common peasant desire for land, will turn out to be too demoralized to serve as a bulwark of law and order. Legislative institutions and opposition-intellectual parties, deprived of real authority in the eyes of the people, will be unable to restrain the diverging popular waves, which they themselves raised, and Russia will be plunged into a hopeless anarchy, the outcome of which cannot even be foreseen. "
    2. yur
      yur 31 January 2014 22: 58
      0
      Palkin was called Nicholas I, and not Nicholas II.
  • parus2nik
    parus2nik 31 January 2014 18: 20
    +1
    Peacefully Ukraine will not fall apart .. and peacefully its territories will not go under protectorates ...
  • Cetegg
    Cetegg 31 January 2014 18: 51
    +1
    and who is talking about the protectorate ?!))) I personally for the inclusion of central and eastern Ukraine in the Russian Federation!)))
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 18: 54
      +1
      Quote: Cetegg
      I personally for the inclusion of central and eastern Ukraine in the Russian Federation!)

      and DO NOT ASK US? OR FROM NORTH A VISIBLE DECISION OF UKRAINIAN QUESTION?
      1. Cetegg
        Cetegg 31 January 2014 18: 58
        +1
        Sorry!) But would you like to be kind enough to join the Russian Federation ?!))) ps is better this way ?!)))
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 19: 00
          0
          Quote: Cetegg
          but would you like to be kind enough to join the Russian Federation?

          No. I do not see the point.
          1. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 20: 07
            0
            Of course you don’t see. You're the stupid banderlog unfinished)
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 January 2014 20: 11
              -2
              Quote: uhjpysq1
              Of course you don’t see. You're a dumb banderlog

              There is nothing to continue the conversation with the child. Therefore, I finish it. Do not choke on saliva.
      2. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 20: 04
        -4
        they certainly won’t ask you. you’ll get your bullet in the forehead)
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 January 2014 20: 08
          +2
          Quote: uhjpysq1
          you’ll get your bullet in the forehead)

          Oooh, what a SCARY. Did you get out of the diaper long ago?
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 18: 53
    -8
    Ukraine must be destroyed as quickly as possible before they are finally sold to Europeans.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 18: 55
      -6
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      Ukraine must be destroyed as quickly as possible

      and divide Russia. As reporters suggest.
  • Cetegg
    Cetegg 31 January 2014 19: 05
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: uhjpysq1
    Ukraine must be destroyed as quickly as possible

    and divide Russia. As reporters suggest.

    "Delilka" has not yet grown to such a scale!)
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 January 2014 19: 11
      -1
      Quote: Cetegg
      "Delilka" has not yet grown to such a scale

      It would be a desire. In addition, they offer to grab only the edges of Russia
      1. officer29
        officer29 31 January 2014 20: 39
        +1
        Akim, do not start! Some opponents are no longer sitting emotions! request
        1. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 21: 14
          -6
          this is not emotion, but a statement of fact. all sorts of akims there are degenerates and descendants of traitors-policemen. and therefore are subject to extermination!
  • GUSAR
    GUSAR 31 January 2014 19: 19
    +2
    Today's Ukraine within its current borders, with its political system, legislation, official and semi-official ideology, is not just one of the states of the world. This is a territorial entity based on an anti-Russian, anti-Russian core. This amorphous semi-dead entity with some features of the state was created and exists solely to put pressure on Russia, in every way to harm Russia, because we are very connected. Without an anti-Russian and anti-Russian foundation, the modern state of Ukraine cannot exist, because Russophobia is the basis of the whole system of Ukrainian power. Despite the fact that there are no problems at the level of relations between the Russian and other great peoples of Russia with the majority of ordinary Ukrainians, we are not just brothers, we are one, but the attitude towards the Ukrainian authorities (and it’s absolutely not important who is in power today) is right let's say ... Now explain to me what's wrong with an openly anti-Russian state breaking up?
  • voliador
    voliador 31 January 2014 19: 21
    0
    The question is different: who can protect Poland from the claims of Germany? The answer is obvious: it seems to be the United States. But here is not so simple. Should Poland claim East European hegemony to question the integrity of NATO?

    Scramers will subscribe. They have not liked for a long time that the Germans in Europe are gaining strength.
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 31 January 2014 19: 26
    0
    they have a desire, but there is no possibility)