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PACE knows who is to blame for the Ukrainian conflict

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PACE knows who is to blame for the Ukrainian conflict



The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe is an organization whose strangeness in the administration of a policy has to be made almost permanent.

Recall that the PACE is a consultative body that consists of parliamentarians from various European countries. The main purpose of this body is a kind of “reconciliation of watches” by representatives of various delegations on certain issues. It is of interest that the “reconciliation of watches” in PACE is carried out with a high degree of originality: the western “watches” by definition are “exactly”, but the “eastern” watches (Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian and others) are certainly “lagging behind”. And the western sector of the PACE every time tries to “bring the clock down” - so that we, so to speak, keep up with that time and with that understanding of the situation that he (the West) considers the only correct one. Against this background, resolutions adopted by the PACE, and this is perhaps the only thing that the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe is different lately, are turning into documents thoroughly imbued with conflict and double standards.

A similar “impregnation” was noted and discussion of the resolution on the Ukrainian issue. This time, in PACE, whose full members (on paper) are both Ukraine and the Russian Federation (12 parliamentarians from Ukraine, 18 - from Russia), decided to express their concern with Ukrainian problems exclusively in an original way. The “key” is approximately the following: the Ukrainian authorities are to blame for everything themselves, because at the Vilnius EU summit they did not want to sign an association agreement with the European Union, succumbing to “economic and political pressure” from Russia ... They say that get-pogroms, arson, Nazi slogans, cries of exclusivity, calls for the violent overthrow of power.

Now, the PACE by a majority vote calls Ukraine to immediately fulfill a number of conditions, and by the same majority immediately intends to deprive the PACE Ukrainian delegation of the right to vote if these conditions are not met ... At the same time, the conditions put forward by “progressive Europe” are a priori for Ukraine deaths are like. What is at least the condition to remove representatives of the Internal Troops, militia, “Berkut” from the streets, so that they could not “use violence” against “peaceful demonstrators” ... In general, the essence of the prepared document is understandable, and this document outraged how Ukraine ( a part that is still capable of rational thinking), and so is Russia.

The keynote speakers on Ukraine were such “professionals” in the Ukrainian situation as Marietta de Purbe-Lundin (from Sweden) and Mailis Reps (Estonia, Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe).


Marietta de Purbe-Lundin



Mailis Reps


Well, the fact that the Swedes from long-standing (perhaps from the “Poltava”) consider themselves experts in the Ukrainian lands - we guessed ... But Estonians, where, excuse me, climb? Or does this same Reps believe that its membership in the structure, in the title of which there are the words “liberals”, “democrats” and “Europe”, initially gives her the opportunity to act as an expert on the situation in any state in the world, regardless of the mood and concerns of this state?

Before the meeting, the Assembly was addressed by its head, Anne Brasseur, who literally stated the following:

We must help the Ukrainians out of this crisis, and, without going into the details of their domestic policy ...



Anne Brasseur - PACE President


In both! That is, the PACE leadership signs in advance that he does not care about the Ukrainian internal political details, no one (apparently, neither Reps nor Purbi-Lundin) was going to understand it initially, but they are trying to “help the Ukrainians” ... like this: we do not know what you want, but we know well what we want, and therefore we will help you ...

The head of the Russian delegation, Alexei Pushkov, having studied the draft resolution proposed in PACE, was noted by the following publication in his microblog:
In PACE, they are trying to condemn Russia for the "pressure" on Ukraine in a situation where the EU countries not only pressure, but directly interfere in the affairs of Ukraine.


In the resolution on Ukraine in PACE, representatives of the EU countries seek to again strike at Russia, distorting events and facts. Political aggression.


The resolution is full of double standards. The authorities of Ukraine are accused of using force against demonstrators, which the authorities in the EU constantly do.


Another representative of the Russian delegation, Robert Schlegel, tweets:
The authors of the PACE report on Ukraine proposed to deprive the delegation of Ukraine of the word at the next session


The Assembly has just, with a difference in 20 votes, rejected an amendment on the need for a free referendum in Ukraine. What a feyspalm.


And the truth is that perhaps the “advanced” European “democrats” can afford to criticize the fact of the decisions taken by the Ukrainian delegation regarding them ... Of course not. Therefore, the idea of ​​depriving the right to vote of the Ukrainian delegates may well be implemented in practice through a majority in PACE. Adoption of the amendment, which actually does not allow for holding a free referendum in Ukraine, also fits into the same outline. Well, it is not in the interests of modern “democratizers” that the honest will of the people of Ukraine, the majority of whom (of the people) unequivocally speak in favor of maintaining close contacts with Russia, despite the obvious pressure from the West.
The western and pro-Western part of PACE (and not only PACE) is, and, frankly speaking, furious, because it was not possible to tear Ukraine away from Russia by a pile of papers of the association agreement, just as it was not possible to completely bury Ukrainian production (agriculture, aviation and the aerospace industry), which, incidentally, is still a serious competitor for the EU. The electric power and coal mining sectors of Ukraine alone are worth what! For well-known reasons, the West (and PACE today once again confirms this) is not interested in a normally functioning Ukrainian industry, which is also essentially oriented towards the markets of the Customs Union countries.

In general, once again it is possible to say that PACE is an organization that seeks to look at events occurring in the world, exclusively through such lenses, which multiply one and many times reduce the other. As an example: the words of the resolution on the use of force by the Ukrainian law enforcement officers against peaceful demonstrators ... But the words about how these “peaceful demonstrators” throw police bottles with incendiary mixtures, use cold weapons, provoke the "Golden Eagle" to a bloody conflict, the draft resolution does not. The draft contains words about “political and economic pressure” from Russia, but there are no words about more than large-scale (with financial support from radical anti-government organizations) pressure from the West ...

It should be recalled that several years ago the PACE delegation tried to “inspect” the presidential elections in the United States. Then the "inspectors" just thrown out from the sites. They shook themselves off, scratched themselves and fell back, not adopting any resolutions on this issue ... For democracy! ..

Isn't it time to take such a “democratic” version as a note to both Ukraine and Russia? And then, you understand, the Swedish-Estonian "inspectorate" in Kiev, an expression of concern about the actions of the Ukrainian police, the negative role of Moscow - is it not too much that PACE takes on? ..
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  1. Arhj
    Arhj 31 January 2014 08: 31
    +33
    Explain to me why we need PACE. We pay huge money there (our contribution is one of the largest, if not the largest among all members). In return, we get a sea of ​​criticism when a country that doesn’t even show on the map can even spit on our side and the Strasbourg court with a very original interpretation of the law, more precisely with two interpretations of it, one of which is especially for those who have their own opinion.
    That is, we are financing a frankly anti-Russian organization. This is a new way of self-flagellation.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 31 January 2014 08: 55
      +16
      This is a new way of self-flagellation.

      No, this is the new investment of our liberals, headed by DIMON in the destruction of our country - every year I observe the same picture (we invest money there and in return we get nothing except spits)
      Shame on our authorities for such tolerance towards our own country.
      1. Canep
        Canep 31 January 2014 09: 34
        +11
        Yes, these nedotrahany chickens have completely soured brains. Of course, it is not possible to withdraw the "golden eagle", but then it will be necessary, and quite soon, to introduce airborne assault divisions, with a combat order to clean up the city.

        When the West talks to an opponent like a Papuan who has just peeled off a palm tree, this is immediately evident. If in Brussels thugs would seize the city center and demand the dissolution of the EU, the resignation of the European Parliament, while Nazi slogans would sound at all angles. They would have dispersed this Maidan within an hour, using all available special means.
        And if this would happen in the USA, then in many houses there would be mourning.
        1. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 31 January 2014 10: 42
          +6
          And after all, not one progressive leader of the countries in which this is happening has come to the head to take away weapons from the police and order them not to touch the hooligans and bandits.
        2. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 31 January 2014 14: 54
          +6
          America and the EU do their best to unleash a bloody massacre in Ukraine. Bandera's supporters will provoke law enforcement officers to the first step, or they themselves will attack first - for the customer it is not important. The main thing is that the slaughter will begin and there will be a reason for open pressure. But it must be remembered that in order for the Bandera attack to be at least somehow justified by a tame SMRAD, some action by the security forces is nevertheless necessary. Therefore, the police do not take any forceful actions. The Nazis can, of course, be the first to attack, but then it is much more difficult to justify and many more people will side with the current legal government. But even the Nazis fail to attack and run into retaliatory actions. The siloviki and the authorities are retreating skillfully and successfully. As if Kutuzov himself was leading the retreat. Such tactics are much better than open hostilities with streams of blood, a pile of corpses of Russian Ukrainians, with sanctions and a humanitarian disaster. And most importantly, such a retreat does not allow the enemy to carry out his plans. A "city bully" cannot come out of the shadows and attack a citizen. The citizen himself turned out to be one of the bandits and knows all the bandit tricks very well. In addition, an experienced "precinct officer" is vigilantly observing the situation and protecting the citizen. Any actions on the part of the Nazis with the shedding of a lot of blood before the use of force by the authorities will put the Nazis outside the law in the eyes of the people, give rise to the authorities' response, hoping not to impose sanctions and to avoid armed aggression from the West. Will give hope to avoid a humanitarian catastrophe and civil war.

          Once again, any power actions by the authorities will lead to bloodshed, open intervention of the West, sanctions, humanitarian disaster of Russian Ukrainians. Anyone who pushes the Ukrainian authorities to commit such actions, or criticizes the Ukrainian authorities due to the lack of tough measures, undermining its credibility, or either hire. And it doesn’t matter, whether it’s over the patriot Prokhanov, or Shevchenko, in any case, he works on the side of our enemies.

          We will strike exactly when it will be needed, when it will be effective.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 31 January 2014 19: 18
            +1
            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            Once again, any power actions by the authorities will lead to bloodshed, open intervention of the West,

            And if you look at the situation from a different angle and think about what will happen if the Ukrainian authorities do nothing to ensure law and order on the streets of Ukrainian cities and other populated areas?
            Definitely this will lead to rampant crime, all kinds of local Maidan provocations of conflicts on national and other foundations, it can also reach armed clashes of certain population groups, the seizure of military depots with guns and escalating into a civil war, until this was avoided because it was stopped citizens themselves are in the bud. An example is Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and many other cities, towns and villages. If they were sitting there and shaking afraid of taking action only because the West might intervene, then all of Ukraine would be under the control of extremists from the western regions who do not care their country and whose leaders are fulfilling the order of the West itself, which has already intervened (albeit by behind-the-scenes methods in the life of Ukrainian citizens) supplying extremists with money and thereby supporting civil strife and fomenting conflict. It is the West (EU and USA) that is behind all these events that are happening now in Ukraine.
            I will explain, using the dissatisfaction of the citizens of Ukraine with the policy of their state power, they rocked the situation and brought to the events they needed.
            A lull does not mean that everything is over. This respite will provide an opportunity to think about further actions and resume them again when the right solution is found.
    2. datur
      datur 31 January 2014 10: 19
      +5
      I fully support it, the situation is such, with our bacon and with us in tinsel !!! belay so, they went on .... th with his pass !!!! stop
    3. datur
      datur 31 January 2014 10: 19
      0
      I fully support it, the situation is such, with our bacon and with us in tinsel !!! belay so, they went on .... th with his pass !!!! stop
    4. Fin
      Fin 31 January 2014 10: 23
      +3
      Quote: Arhj
      That is, we are financing a frankly anti-Russian organization. This is a new way of self-flagellation.

      This is a way to know what is going on in the minds of our "partners" and the ability to timely influence and respond to all sorts of nasty things. It's just that there is now not enough such as Churkin.
      And Lavrov needs to answer this statement of various democrats.
    5. ed65b
      ed65b 31 January 2014 10: 54
      +3
      Max, I have been asking myself this question for many years. And so I have not found an answer, although there are suspicions that our "deputies" are just getting high there to hang out at the state expense and kick a throat.
      1. washi
        washi 31 January 2014 17: 01
        +3
        Quote: ed65b
        Max, I have been asking myself this question for many years. And so I have not found an answer, although there are suspicions that our "deputies" are just getting high there to hang out at the state expense and kick a throat.

        The saddest thing is that we also pay money there.
        Maybe you should go out?
        There is a reason: Nazi support in the Baltic states and Ukraine.
    6. major071
      major071 31 January 2014 11: 30
      +14
      Looked at the photos of these Western "beauties". Now I know why in Europe there are so many 3,14 doros, they simply cannot look at such "beauty", let alone live with it. laughing
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 31 January 2014 13: 50
        +5
        Quote: major071
        cannot look at such "beauty"

        Now you understand the phrase from the joke - Hold the camel? laughing
    7. AVV
      AVV 31 January 2014 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Arhj
      Explain to me why we need PACE. We pay huge money there (our contribution is one of the largest, if not the largest among all members). In return, we get a sea of ​​criticism when a country that doesn’t even show on the map can even spit on our side and the Strasbourg court with a very original interpretation of the law, more precisely with two interpretations of it, one of which is especially for those who have their own opinion.
      That is, we are financing a frankly anti-Russian organization. This is a new way of self-flagellation.

      So for our money we are also being poured with mud, that’s such self-sacrifice, and for them making money, to get out of such structures, especially only to Yeltsin tried to Europe, and we have nothing to do there, but we are trading like that !!! Take an example in of the same states, where they pay money, there they direct the process, you don’t just have to throw out the currency !!! You need to defend your interests !!!
  2. Denis
    Denis 31 January 2014 08: 31
    +5
    There is no mat and not say
    Just not them, are they white (or gay-blue?) And fluffy
    There they can go broke as much as you like, you know for their opinion ...
    Yes, and not everyone knows any such PACE?
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 31 January 2014 08: 40
      +3
      These whores just ah ...., I can not find other words after reading this nonsense.
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      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 31 January 2014 09: 16
        +2
        We must tie them with tails - those of our balamutes who did not sign any agreements with these quotas of other people's eggs
      3. Curculum
        Curculum 31 January 2014 09: 21
        +3
        Quote: Igor39
        These whores are just ah ....

        For me, I didn’t use their services, but looking at them - can anything move there? Earlier, in the gardens, they built all kinds of scarecrows for birds, but now - why, if there are such physicists? The crows will stutter ...
        But the more our media will cover the activities of this PACE, the less legitimate its resolutions will be for us - it is time to stop this insanity of such "international institutions".
    2. ImpKonstantin
      ImpKonstantin 31 January 2014 13: 11
      +2
      Joke of the day

      Gathered once in Kiev on the Maidan
      Ambassadors of the USA, France, Spain, Germany, Denmark;

      US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland;

      US Senators - Chris Murphy and John McCain;

      German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle;

      European Union High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy - Catherine Ashton;

      former president of Georgia - Mikheil Saakashvili;

      Dutch Foreign Minister - France Timmermans;

      MEP - Jacek Protasevic;

      Lithuanian Foreign Minister - Linas Linkevicius;

      Speaker of the Sejm of Lithuania - Loreta Graužinene;

      former Prime Minister of Poland - Jaroslav Kaczynski;

      Czech Senator - Jaromir Stetina

      and .................. accused Russia of interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine ...
  3. makarov
    makarov 31 January 2014 08: 50
    +4
    "They say, if you are guilty, then get what you get - pogroms, arson, Nazi slogans, shouts about exclusivity, calls for a violent overthrow of the government ..."

    We are about explosions, about fires, they composed a note of tass, Then the orderlies rushed in and recorded us.
    V.S.
  4. Berimor 2
    Berimor 2 31 January 2014 08: 57
    +3
    Once again, you may notice: If our steps are condemned, then we are moving in the right direction.
    1. levandos
      levandos 31 January 2014 11: 40
      +1
      Dogs bark, and the caravan goes ... the main thing is that the steps are forward and the path does not change, and let the dogs bark
  5. Black
    Black 31 January 2014 09: 04
    +8
    Quote: Arhj
    Explain to me why we need PACE.

    At least in order to convey to the European layman the position of Russia.
    Russia is doing the right thing, using all existing platforms to defend its interests. The West is not monolithic. Water wears away a stone, and when it freezes, it tears.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 31 January 2014 09: 27
      +3
      Maybe I'm naive, but I can’t understand why our representatives in PACE voice their position in the microblog, and not in the conference room ?!
      negative
  6. sergeant
    sergeant 31 January 2014 09: 15
    +3
    Reading the title of the article "PACE knows who is to blame for the Ukrainian conflict," the question immediately arises: YES WELL ON AND WHO IS THE SAME?
  7. Altona
    Altona 31 January 2014 09: 17
    +4
    So the European commissioners themselves and the directors of this "democracy" ... Their headquarters are in the center of Kiev ... Of course, they know better ... laughing
  8. ZU-23
    ZU-23 31 January 2014 09: 23
    +2
    It is necessary for Pase to take command over himself or say goodbye to them at all.
  9. Alex66
    Alex66 31 January 2014 09: 26
    +2
    What Russia is not doing or is doing is of little use, because West defends its interests and their interests and ours do not coincide. So it can honestly begin to support and give grants and provide other assistance to pro-Russian leaders and organizations of Ukraine. Our non-resistance to evil by violence only adds confidence to evil in our own strengths.
  10. Oleg56.ru
    Oleg56.ru 31 January 2014 09: 46
    +6
    If Russia spits in the back, then it goes ahead of everyone. If they spit in her face, then Russia is breaking ahead no matter what.
  11. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 31 January 2014 10: 19
    +2
    A bunch of demagogues and Russophobes, how they hate us. Especially "good" are these young ladies from Sweden with an "angelic face".
  12. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 31 January 2014 10: 23
    +1
    What kind of PACE is it? After the 90s, in my opinion, Russia is a member of a bunch of stupid organizations that make no sense, almost all of them can be left without any consequences.
  13. Freemason
    Freemason 31 January 2014 10: 44
    +3
    I do not want to seem like a chauvinist, I love women and respect many of those who work in the business sphere.
    But in politics I am extremely against their presence !! They approach everything with their "feminine" marasmus and "maternal" compassion. A couple of examples: 1) from the army. My son came to serve, a healthy fellow, but stupid and spoiled by his mother's boob. Strength is not deprived, but the mind is not enough. and begins to show his coolness - he won "respect" with his fists, and as soon as he received the change or was called to account by the fathers of the commanders, so immediately into a cry !!! Where is the mother committee? And they are here, as here and rushed ... murderers, criminals in uniform ...
    2) example: the chantropa participated in one or another illegal action (a march, a pogrom, a specially arranged fight, it doesn’t matter!) They were naturally detained, and again it started ... And no one looks at the fact that the lads themselves went to these steps themselves decided for themselves. Of course they will be punished, of course everything will be according to the law. But the sediment will remain, and ordinary inhabitants will create resonance in society for a long time.
    And in the West, "mothers" and other feminist inclinations, spiced with russophobia and hatred of our country, brought up by tales of the terrible "Red SovK" simply rolls over in political views.
    1. SPLV
      SPLV 31 January 2014 12: 34
      +2
      Yes, everything is fine, just such mothers need to add responsibility, including criminal responsibility. when a couple of mothers are imprisoned for the upbringing of non-traditional or psychopaths who shoot passers-by, then this current of "soldier's mothers" will normalize.
  14. kind
    kind 31 January 2014 10: 52
    +5
    What women are scary in Europe! Now I understand why so many buggers got divorced!
    1. Freemason
      Freemason 31 January 2014 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: Good
      What women are scary in Europe! Now I understand why so many buggers got divorced!

      so they breed them, and also warm on their own chest
  15. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 31 January 2014 10: 54
    +2
    "Consulted" and that's all. So what? By and large, Ukraine does not need to react to such demarches.
  16. Neophyte
    Neophyte 31 January 2014 11: 03
    +2
    Farmazon and Good: except Reps - the rest are dressed up men! Apparently, they are victims of incest!
  17. Andrey78
    Andrey78 31 January 2014 11: 15
    +2
    What can I say, the Democrats have only two opinions and their wrong.
  18. calocha
    calocha 31 January 2014 11: 24
    +1
    PACE-chain dog of the USA. As they say so and will ... Now an order for .. Russia.
  19. SPLV
    SPLV 31 January 2014 12: 41
    +1
    You shouldn't have published photos of "these". I understand, of course, that one must know the enemy by sight, but I have never met in the history of an uprising of prostitutes, which means that political prostitutes cannot be an enemy. It's like cockroaches, there are a lot of them everywhere and you can't eradicate them one by one. Only by global measures.
  20. Stinger
    Stinger 31 January 2014 13: 31
    +1
    And why are there some fursets not claimed by men?
  21. mountain
    mountain 31 January 2014 13: 43
    +2
    I will say one thing, if our women were like those in the photo, you will not think about any sex. Only now, I'm starting to understand why they have so many gays there.
  22. Bandera
    Bandera 31 January 2014 14: 22
    +1
    Who are the Bendera men and why should they be killed?
    bessarabiainform.com/2014/01/kto-takie-benderovcy-i-pochemu-ix-nado-ubivat
    1. washi
      washi 31 January 2014 17: 03
      0
      Quote: Bandera
      Who are the Bendera men and why should they be killed?

      Do not confuse the residents of Bender and the followers of Bandera.
  23. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 31 January 2014 17: 02
    +1
    <<< several years ago the PACE delegation tried to "inspect" the presidential elections in the United States. Then the "inspectors" were simply thrown out of the polling stations. Those shook themselves off, scratched themselves and went back without adopting any resolutions on this matter ... For democracy! ..
    Isn't it time to take note of such a "democratic" option for both Ukraine and Russia? >>>
    Not that it is time, but it is simply NECESSARY for a long time in this way to "put in place" this office - PACE, acting as the indisputable "guru" of democracy! It's amazing how much more can Russia endure outright mockery in PACE, (and for its own money) constantly acting as a whipping boy for the majority of the russophobic gameokrats who make up there! Neither the sky will fall, nor the earth will collapse if Russia finally "sends" this Russophobic office! On the contrary, Russia will be respected MORE!
  24. andrei332809
    andrei332809 31 January 2014 17: 09
    +3
    Marietta de Purbe Lundin

    hospodi ... belay But how do you communicate with a Russian with such a surname? but who will take it seriously ... probably, they were cutting at the corners
  25. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 31 January 2014 19: 40
    +2
    YES! Photos for the article are just horrible! crying
    It remains to sympathize with EU citizens. No.
    It looks like all the power there was seized by emancipated chickens with a Napoleon complex in their heads (probably with a non-traditional sexual orientation, otherwise it turns out intolerant). whether the mother ...
    And ... in, aunts of European democracy ... gee-gee
    Rzhu Mlyn Nimagu when I bachu on their goat muzzle tongue laughing wassat
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 31 January 2014 19: 49
      +1
      PS .. Well, how can I not remember about Freud’s grandfather with his little books ...
      laughing laughing laughing
  26. mabuta
    mabuta 31 January 2014 23: 53
    +2
    There are them in Kashchenko. Moreover, with such persons and statements, any psychiatrist will not have problems with the diagnosis. laughing
  27. Cristall
    Cristall 1 February 2014 17: 14
    0
    oh, and "experts in Ukraine" picked up .... no words. It is strange that they make a report without seeing with their own eyes. And let us make a report on the United States - in PACE, call upon and condemn the actions ... ehh dreams of dreams.
    I have never heard other behaviors from similar organizations. "Discussions, condemnation, concern, anxiety, advice and so on" poor things ... do not sleep - they worry about democracy ...
    The main thing is that "democracy" is not in the EU or the US ...
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 February 2014 18: 33
    0
    Yes, PACE is a very shitty desk. And we need membership there in order to be able to convey our point of view in a civilized way. That is, in which case we will not be blamed for the lack of desire to interact with Europe. And since PACE does not decide anything against a strong country, we will bark to one place. Power in Ukraine merged, leaving the country at the mercy of external forces. Like who can, those are engaged in this country.
  29. blizart
    blizart 2 February 2014 13: 24
    0
    It’s your fault that I want to eat!
    Said in the dark forest lamb dragged.