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Atypical pneumonia. Garrisons again covered epidemic of soldiers' deaths.

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Atypical pneumonia. Garrisons again covered epidemic of soldiers' deaths.

With the onset of frost, the army authorities start the “prick”. A rare week passes, so that the garrisons do not report on a massive illness, or even the death of soldiers.


Cold and viral ailments have long become a real scourge of the army. This year is no exception. Pneumonia, acute respiratory viral infection and influenza with ruthless waves are rolling not only in the Ural, Siberian and Far Eastern military camps, but also in military units of the West of Russia. Here is a very recent case - in the first decade of January, four soldiers died from viral-bacterial pneumonia in the Podolsk hospital. Three of them served in the Moscow Region brigade, one in Kovrov.

And today it became known that military investigators opened a criminal case on the fact of death in the same hospital of privates Pavel Kalinin and Ilya Morozov. Both physicians also diagnosed bilateral viral-bacterial pneumonia. Now, some of the officers will have to answer for the negligence that entailed by negligence the death of a person. This is how this crime is interpreted in part 2 of the article 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

The patient Ilya Morozov was brought to Podolsk from the Ostrogozhsk training center. According to the human rights ombudsman in the Voronezh region (this is where the military unit is located) Tatyana Zrazhevskaya, the disease was already crippled in the garrison around 300 servicemen. But it is especially disturbing that the constancy with which every winter Ostrogogozhskoe school book, in the literal sense of the word, is reeling. Suffice it to recall that in 2011 there soldiers were hospitalized with 40 pneumonia. And when the military prosecutors and the Moscow authorities came to the garrison with the check, it turned out that the temperature in the barracks did not rise above 15 degrees, there was no hot water, and the soldiers were walking around the clock, sleeping in wet clothing and underwear.

The noise was great, some of the command of the unit were then roughly punished, and there was a report to all instances: there would no longer be such disgraces in the garrison. But the officers didn’t make any serious conclusions. This is evidenced by the current events in Ostrogozhsk.

But how do they explain the tragedy of private Morozov in the Ministry of Defense?

“The serviceman’s treatment was carried out from January 5 after the unit officer discovered signs of a cold and sent him to the unit’s medical center. In an interview with the soldier, it was found that he felt 28 December 2013 of the year, but did not give them due to deterioration, on January 8, to continue treatment, the soldier was transferred to a military clinical hospital with a diagnosis of “severe viral-bacterial pneumonia.” The Defense Ministry claims that the treatment of a soldier rohodilo with the use of necessary drugs and specialized medical measures.The leading specialists of the Main Military Clinical Hospital named after NN Burdenko were attracted to this work.Medical doctors noted the mixed viral-bacterial nature of the disease, which is characterized by an extremely severe course of the disease. intensive care, to save the life of a soldier failed.

The defense department claims that all military personnel who came into contact with the patient are isolated, and additional medical examinations are being conducted at medical institutions. Now the training center employs specialists from the Main Military Medical Department of the Ministry of Defense and the central military medical institutions. Their task is to assess the epidemiological situation in part and the level of provision of medical institutions with necessary medicines. Experts are also checking how hygiene standards are observed in the garrison. "The servicemen of the training center, who detect the primary signs of a cold, are immediately sent to medical institutions for examination and treatment with mandatory isolation from the rest of the staff. At the same time, all the sick are fully provided with qualified medical assistance," service and information of the Ministry of Defense.

It is difficult to verify the objectivity of these words while sitting in Moscow. But, apparently, it all is. However, many questions arise. Why, year after year, army commanders lift up one and all on the ears after the soldiers are piled on hospital beds? Do previous tragedies teach their commanders and military doctors nothing? When, finally, in the army will seriously engage in the prevention of colds and viral diseases?

And one more problem immediately rises on the agenda. This is about the competence of officers who have been entrusted with the life and health of soldiers. If the commander did not even teach them to properly wear a uniform, one should hardly expect that he will prepare good warriors from these guys. And if the military doctor could not recognize the dangerous disease from the soldier at the initial stage, then why is such a doctor needed in the army at all? Incidentally, there was information that the head of the Ostrogorsky school before the New Year committed suicide - when a soldier began to suffer from mass sickness, the doctor seemed to have lost his nerve. In the garrison, he is remembered with respect and quite understandable bitterness. They say that this was a dedicated man who even bought with his own money rare medicines for sick military personnel.

Here is an example of a different kind. One of the soldiers' mothers told the RG correspondent that in a military unit near Moscow, where her son serves, the medical officer managed to give new vaccinations to new recruits at the same time. And the body of five recruits with such a "shock" prevention failed.
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  1. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 30 January 2014 11: 36
    +15
    when I served, I was warmed by the uniform of PSh and an overcoat. Now what form? Are natural materials present in the composition of the material for this form?
    1. Civil
      Civil 30 January 2014 12: 15
      +3
      Anyway, there is a specific culprit.
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 30 January 2014 14: 26
        +7
        The problem is a little deeper than it seems and the uniform has nothing to do with it. The fact is that pathogens are of various types, and if a bacterial infection (tonsillitis, bronchitis, pneumonia caused by the bacterial flora) is easy to catch with a banal hypothermia, then you will catch almost 100% of the viral (which includes atypical pneumonia) if you grabbed a sufficient amount of the pathogen and you are not immune to this virus. However, for many viral infections, there is no special treatment and it is impossible to recognize it, especially at an early stage, therefore, the conclusion
        And if the military doctor could not at the initial stage even recognize a dangerous illness from a soldier, then why is such a doctor needed in the army

        to say the least, amateurish.
        It's just that humanity has not yet reached a high level in its medico-biological achievements. At the same time, many "minds" and "luminaries" of biology and medicine (if only in their ass!) Have worked and are still working to create more and more sophisticated pathogens, and it is not a fact that they do not break free.
        I mean, we need to deal with the fight against diseases, not their creation, and I consider the creation of biological weapons to be terrorism.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 30 January 2014 20: 29
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Anyway, there is a specific culprit.

        The question is not who is to blame, but what to do ??
        Only in the fall from the training camp. They recruited a barracks of recruits. Everywhere there is an Uzbek European-quality repair, plastic windows that do not close !!! We slept under the covers right in the uniform.
        How not to get sick here?
        Well, I won’t write about a pill from my head, but it’s very similar!
      3. alone
        alone 30 January 2014 22: 01
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        Anyway, there is a specific culprit.


        The platoon commander was the first to blame. The man was ill since December 28, and only about January 5 learned about the disease. And the result is that someone lost his son and brother. Such cases undermine the authority of the army and officers
      4. AVV
        AVV 31 January 2014 00: 31
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Anyway, there is a specific culprit.

        And not one, but everyone should be punished, otherwise in peacetime a young shoot dies and all do not care ?!
    2. rolik2
      rolik2 30 January 2014 16: 02
      +7
      It’s not a matter of natural materials, look at what the polar explorers are wearing, one synthetics, but for some reason they don’t freeze, it’s the quality of the materials.
      That and the army dol..bebism has not been canceled by anyone, several hours of construction, divorces, not the ability to dry clothes in time, and just the poor health of the soldiers is the main reason.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 30 January 2014 20: 16
        +1
        In the army, I was ill twice, the first time was still in "quarantine", the temperature was under 40, I was admitted to the hospital (a basement room, dampness, dog cold, two blankets did not save ... from treatment: an injection of diphenhydramine, and aspirin three times a day. .. The second time already in my own battalion ... there was a flu epidemic, they put me in a dignity, a paramedic was involved in treatment, since the chief medical officer left for some courses, he gave me a plate of some kind of pills (accordingly he said the dosage, and the take) in short, he was treated like this for four days, then the chief medical officer arrived. On the round, "How are you. Normally, I’m talking easier. He says well that you are taking it." I’m telling him what the doctor prescribed. the face has changed))) This speaks from the "belly" .. our paramedic got into the full of course ... But it did not always end so well, one boy died of pneumonia ... for a long time he did not tell anyone that he was ill, the temperature was not high something there is up to 37 degrees, I thought it would probably go away by itself ... but it didn’t go away when it was too late It was
    3. predator.3
      predator.3 30 January 2014 17: 19
      +3
      Quote: vjatsergey
      when I served, I was warmed by the uniform of PSh and an overcoat. Now what form? Are natural materials present in the composition of the material for this form?


      I agree with you, + more double linen and double footcloths, well, native kirzachi and Nitsche are alive and well! Maybe the problem is in the soldiers themselves, they don’t do sports in civilians, beer and cigarettes will not be brought to good!
      1. alone
        alone 30 January 2014 22: 02
        +1
        Quote: predator.3
        I agree with you, + even double underwear and double footcloths, well, native Kirzachs and Nitsche are alive and well


        Well, now only socks! and this is during the Russian winter.
    4. petor41
      petor41 30 January 2014 19: 01
      +3
      What I stopped loving this site for is its comments! None of the commentators saw this form in their eyes, but everyone is much to criticize it! And I in this form yesterday at minus 38 walked an hour and did not even freeze a little! Excellent shape made of good materials, there are minor flaws, but they do not spoil the overall picture! There is a fleece jacket, fleece thermal underwear, a vest, and finally, instead of a pea jacket, a normal lightweight comfortable down jacket appeared, WINTER BERZERS!
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 30 January 2014 22: 26
        +1
        Quote: petor41
        What I stopped loving this site for is its comments! None of the commentators saw this form in their eyes, but everyone is much to criticize it! And I in this form yesterday at minus 38 walked an hour and did not even freeze a little! Excellent shape made of good materials, there are minor flaws, but they do not spoil the overall picture! There is a fleece jacket, fleece thermal underwear, a vest, and finally, instead of a pea jacket, a normal lightweight comfortable down jacket appeared, WINTER BERZERS!

        Well, I don’t know. Let me disagree with you. The old pea jacket is much better and warmer. And this form just sucks. There is not even a collar.
        1. petor41
          petor41 1 February 2014 19: 53
          0
          and there’s no axelbant either, but that doesn’t mean the uniform is bad! Why do you need a collar? And the old pea jacket is uncomfortable and just the same colder
  2. Jarik56
    Jarik56 30 January 2014 11: 40
    +9
    This form - the color "lurking in flies" - complains of everyone with whom he speaks. I myself still wear periodically a lump and a pea jacket 25! years ago, did not even fade. Yes, even in the 90s, both the Afghan woman (with my brother) and that lump (with me) were of a Soviet look - stern and comfortable.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 30 January 2014 11: 51
      +14
      We wore tank pea jackets "tankers" were called and now I remember them, even the heat becomes very warm and comfortable.
    2. Heccrbq.3
      Heccrbq.3 30 January 2014 14: 24
      +2
      Afganochka thing !!! With winter underwear we didn’t even sneeze in the cold barracks.
  3. svp67
    svp67 30 January 2014 11: 41
    +13
    Under Serdyukov, the normal medical support of the troops was destroyed, it is necessary not only to restore it, but also to make it "in a new way", more effectively and efficiently, and besides, all other issues - training of troops, logistic support should be brought into proper form ...
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 30 January 2014 11: 59
      +9
      Yes, the question is what form the soldiers are wearing now, Serdyukovskaya, according to reviews, did not keep the damp heat and the destroyed military medicine restored for more than one year, in particular, because now there are a lot of officers "trained" in managerial patterns among the top and middle management.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 30 January 2014 12: 16
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        Under Serdyukov, the normal medical support of troops was destroyed


        Exactly. As if a branch of a hospital in Ostrogozhsk two years ago had ordered a long life. That is, it was disbanded. And now the soldier is being driven to Voronezh. No, 120 km - it’s not a god news how far, but every day, of course, no one rides.

        MSCh in part - the uttermost sucks. According to local data, the number of sick people has exceeded 500. Doctors in the medical unit, with the stubbornness of idiots, do not diagnose pneumonia, but stamp out ARI-ARVI. After the 2011 epidemic, the entire staff of the medical unit was replaced, there was zero sense. The cart is still there. And it is interesting, there are large parts in the Voronezh region in Boguchar, Borisoglebsk, for some reason everything is calm and there are no crowds of sick people. Either they have a different form, or something else, but for some reason they get sick only in Ostrogozhsk.
        1. servant.
          servant. 30 January 2014 12: 59
          +1
          Quote: Banshee
          Either their form is different, or something else, but for some reason they are ill with platoons only in Ostrogozhsk.


          BOOOO! That is the question! Why is this happening again in Ostrogozhsk? Well, in 2011, clearly Serdyukov is to blame! But now who? New MO can not be to blame, in principle, although 2 years at the helm ....
          1. 123dv
            123dv 30 January 2014 14: 01
            +3
            Quote: serviceman.
            although 2 years at the helm ....

            You, dear, have a bad time.
            The second year has just gone, and two years will be already at the end of next fall.
            In addition, by changing the MO, it is IMPOSSIBLE to change the situation dramatically in such a short time.
            We need a planned and systematic improvement. And there is no less time needed for this than for planned and systematic destruction ...
            1. servant.
              servant. 30 January 2014 14: 33
              +2
              I agree the second year at the helm .. But after all, specifically in the Ostrogozh center, nothing has changed! In 2011 there was an epidemic now again. Why, if in your opinion Serdyukov ruined all medicine problems only in Ostrogozhsk? Or do you think for such a short period of time the new MO everywhere put things in order except for this part?
              Or maybe something is wrong in a particular military unit?
              1. soldat1945
                soldat1945 30 January 2014 21: 42
                +1
                I completely agree with "Banshee" only I will add that outsorting, whether damned three times, did not work and does not work in barracks in severe frosts in fact, 15-17 degrees dryers usually do not work due to the old heating systems no one is going to change them if you run heat guns from electricity, then the bag knocks out and the wiring is on, if you conduct classes normally day and night, shooting or driving, then the soldier from the training ground returns and he has no time for drying, as a result of the construction again in a raw form because there is simply nowhere to dry, comrade Shoigu canceled why then the baths said that in the barracks they would wash in showers in a motorized rifle company with intensive combat training to check an average of 79 people washed, they changed their clothes or not, it is quite difficult as a result of a vicious circle, but the extreme company commander or platoon commander!
  4. Mazadrive
    Mazadrive 30 January 2014 11: 42
    +1
    I don’t know such a part where there is hot water in the barracks, in the bath-yes, but outside the military unit. We had a dryer in order to raise the temperature, it was cold to sleep, they opened the door, and even without the Kulibins it could not do.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 30 January 2014 12: 20
      +8
      They catch a cold not from the cold, but from not following the elementary rules of prevention, for example, I caught a cold once during a service when I was late to warm up, the commanders seem to lack common sense, too, in an attempt to hide cases of colds, they’ll be hospitalized when all the personnel catch the infection.
    2. Obliterator
      Obliterator 30 January 2014 13: 19
      +4
      Quote: Mazadrive
      I don’t know such a part where there is hot water in the barracks, in the bath-yes, but outside the military unit. We had a dryer in order to raise the temperature, it was cold to sleep, they opened the door, and even without the Kulibins it could not do.

      We had hot water, and the temperature in the barracks was normally kept. In a word, they lived like white people in this regard. But it should not be otherwise.
  5. smel
    smel 30 January 2014 11: 43
    +4
    I remember the previous Minister of Defense fought well by military doctors and medicine in particular. I almost chopped off the medical academy. And to him - nothing, (they didn’t even chop off), here we reap the fruits and curse the officers. And for the form there is no one to ask. And the taxpayers paid for it by the way. Ohhhh.
    1. servant.
      servant. 30 January 2014 11: 50
      +9
      Serdyukov has been gone for 2 years! How much will be blamed on him, the new minister again introduced a new form, modern, beautiful from new materials, and the soldiers die as before ...
      So maybe it doesn't form a thing?
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 January 2014 11: 53
        +5
        Quote: serviceman.
        Serdyukov has been gone for 2 years!
        And the fact that he has done another 10 years will affect ...
        1. servant.
          servant. 30 January 2014 11: 57
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: serviceman.
          Serdyukov has been gone for 2 years!
          And the fact that he has done another 10 years will affect ...
          The medical units as they were and lagged behind, the polyclinics too, the hospital too. Who is to blame for the fact that the soldiers were later sent to medical institutions? Former MO Serdyukov?
          1. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 30 January 2014 12: 01
            +1
            and who stayed there? Do you believe that everything is restored?
            1. servant.
              servant. 30 January 2014 12: 05
              0
              The medical unit didn’t even disperse ....
              1. eagle11
                eagle11 30 January 2014 13: 16
                -6
                The medical unit does not exist, if my memory serves me since 1957.
          2. svp67
            svp67 30 January 2014 12: 15
            +4
            Quote: serviceman.
            The medical units as they were and lagged behind, the clinics too, the hospital too.
            And the fact that their OPPORTUNITIES were reduced, and SIGNIFICANTLY and that now there is a pale shadow, of what was ... People, or rather SPECIALISTS and equipment, are NOT GOOD ...
            1. servant.
              servant. 30 January 2014 12: 55
              +1
              Have you yourself been to military units, clinics or hospitals for a long time?
    2. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 January 2014 14: 35
      0
      To the past Moscow Region, the aspen stake was only removed from military medical departments! Who knows how the medical units will be formed in case of mobilization, where to take reserves7 the doctor is not a shooter, he needs to be prepared for 6 years.
  6. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 30 January 2014 11: 49
    +5
    Here you have a new uniform; you cannot wear it with a beluga whale! it was envisaged to wear it with thermal underwear, so no, there are 60 shaggy tons from the 100s in the warehouse.
  7. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 30 January 2014 11: 49
    +10
    Something strange is happening to the health of young people. 4 years at a school in Kharkov they ran on morning exercises in the winter to -20 in uniform No. 3, practically no one was sick (the foreman in the 1st year still made snow to rub off, then his materials, now I want to say thank you hi ). At the polygon near Chuguev in the barracks, the water froze in the toilet in winter, slept under a blanket + overcoat + mattress on top, no one was sick, and you really couldn’t dry your boots anywhere. Is this possible a consequence of feeding the people in the 90s?
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 30 January 2014 12: 48
      +3
      ran on morning exercises in the winter to -20 in form No. 3

      Because they ran because they did not hurt - this is one of the types of hardening of the body.
    2. rolik2
      rolik2 30 January 2014 16: 16
      +1
      Quote: Andrey 447
      At the training ground near Chuguev in the barracks, the water froze in the toilet in winter, they slept under a blanket + overcoat + mattress on top, no one was sick, and they really couldn’t dry their boots anywhere. Is this possible a consequence of feeding the people in the 90s?

      Similarly, for a month in the field in the winter, in tents and with potbelly stoves they lived, there was a maximum of a runny nose, not a single one had left the course. And this despite the fact that they wore the same beluga whale, clumps of glass and an overcoat.
      Being a flyer in the city where the part was deployed after icing, it broke all the wires and tumbled down the poles, drowned in the barracks by the potbelly stove all winter, there were no dryers drying around the bourgeoisie and no one was sick.
      Not in the form of a matter, people have become hackier.
    3. rolik2
      rolik2 30 January 2014 16: 16
      0
      Quote: Andrey 447
      At the training ground near Chuguev in the barracks, the water froze in the toilet in winter, they slept under a blanket + overcoat + mattress on top, no one was sick, and they really couldn’t dry their boots anywhere. Is this possible a consequence of feeding the people in the 90s?

      Similarly, for a month in the field in the winter, in tents and with potbelly stoves they lived, there was a maximum of a runny nose, not a single one had left the course. And this despite the fact that they wore the same beluga whale, clumps of glass and an overcoat.
      Being a flyer in the city where the part was deployed after icing, it broke all the wires and tumbled down the poles, drowned in the barracks by the potbelly stove all winter, there were no dryers drying around the bourgeoisie and no one was sick.
      Not in the form of a matter, people have become hackier.
  8. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 30 January 2014 11: 50
    0
    Natural fabrics, clearly, it's always better! Remember who was the designer of the military uniform and under what Minister? Taburetkin just did it with the woman’s battalion — he drank it. Wear someone’s new army overcoat: don’t turn around and freeze in 5 minutes. the military uniform before the reform of the stool was many times better! And now we are trying to blame the commanders.
    1. servant.
      servant. 30 January 2014 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      the form before the reform of the stool was many times better! And now we are trying to blame the commanders.

      What prevents the return of natural materials in the form of clothing? Why did the new MO not do this?
    2. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 30 January 2014 12: 50
      +1
      do not bring down on Yudashkin, its normal form, but the one that is on the supply only resembles Yudashkinsky outwardly. Cheaper materials, the lack of thermal underwear, which should also play a role - as a result, this is the state of affairs.
  9. igor67
    igor67 30 January 2014 11: 56
    +5
    In general, atypical pneumonia is a viral or bacteriological disease, we must pay attention to the sanitary condition of the places of stay of soldiers, I’ve been sick in prosperous Israel for a month already, pneumonia has a high temperature.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 30 January 2014 12: 52
      0
      More precisely, this is a cold of the lungs with a viral complication, I was ill I know (I was ill at school)
    2. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 January 2014 14: 41
      +1
      Igor, if you would have pneumonia (even though viral though not viral) you would not be able to communicate so calmly. I hasten to reassure you that you have a commonplace cold, if you have a cough, with tracheitis. Drink our cough pills and something immuno-strengthening
      1. igor67
        igor67 30 January 2014 14: 59
        +1
        Quote: dr.star75
        Igor, if you would have pneumonia (even though viral though not viral) you would not be able to communicate so calmly. I hasten to reassure you that you have a commonplace cold, if you have a cough, with tracheitis. Drink our cough pills and something immuno-strengthening

        And for half a month I practically didn’t go to the site, a lot of pictures, high fever, but the cough started later, so I still believe the doctors laughing , but it all started corny just a small temperature that you do not pay attention to, because there is no cough or runny nose, so there was a week, maximum aspirin wassat . The whole problem is that the infection can be in food and, simply from household items, it is advisable to disinfect and wash hands, organisms are weakened in young people, and this is not their fault
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 30 January 2014 15: 40
          +2
          Igor, I’ve recently been on the site, I haven’t decided on all the devices, (I’m from the village) asked you a question in PM, but she (PM) disappeared! In your problem, I think we will figure it out. Just answer the question in PM
          1. igor67
            igor67 30 January 2014 15: 53
            0
            Quote: dr.star75
            Igor, I’ve recently been on the site, I haven’t decided on all the devices, (I’m from the village) asked you a question in PM, but she (PM) disappeared! In your problem, I think we will figure it out. Just answer the question in PM

            Thank! I answered you in PM
  10. Roman Vasilenko
    Roman Vasilenko 30 January 2014 11: 58
    +1
    Yes, the normal form, in Artyom it reaches -24, I go in the same form myself. It's just that the generation today is weak and half dead. Normal guys who were friends with sports do not get sick, and suffocated all the mutilations without exception (mazoli, ARVI, etc.)
  11. Russ69
    Russ69 30 January 2014 11: 58
    +3
    “The serviceman was treated since January 5, after the unit officer discovered signs of a cold in him and sent him to the unit's medical center. At the same time, in an interview with the serviceman, it was established that he felt signs of discomfort on December 28, 2013, but did not give them due attention

    Itself in due time, week passed with a small temperature, thought passed. While the officer did not send to the medical unit, and the next day they gave several minutes to the training camp and took him to the hospital with pneumonia.
    He could have reached the complication too ...
  12. mak210
    mak210 30 January 2014 12: 00
    +4
    I will never believe that such thin suits can withstand temperatures below minus 5, this is evidenced by my many years of experience in winter fishing. Winter clothes should be multi-layered and thick, but better than a pea jacket, nothing is thought up, a down jacket will suit the extreme, it's not that expensive. Already, Yudashkin categorically refused authorship, now, like Versace himself wants to sign.

    Guys are freezing, that's the result. When will it all end?
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 30 January 2014 12: 54
      +1
      He refused because the materials were replaced with cheaper ones, and the usual jacket on a synthetic winterizer at -15 is the most.
  13. Mikado
    Mikado 30 January 2014 12: 01
    +6
    It can be out of shape. Overcrowding of the people is a potential threat of rapid spread and disease of various kinds of lung infections. It is not just that among convicts, tuberculosis is considered an "occupational" disease. And the soldiers live in the barracks, the whole crowd, it is worth getting sick alone or slightly deviates from the sanitary standards of the premises and that's it, expect trouble. In our barracks, it was aired every day, even in winter, after all personnel had been removed from it. In the summer, the windows were generally closed only during heavy rainfall.
  14. Sanamana
    Sanamana 30 January 2014 12: 04
    +4
    It is possible that the matter is not only in the form, but in the thinking of some gentlemen of the officers who believe that the soldier should endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service. The wording is correct, but this applies to healthy guys. And now, among the recruits, there are many guys who are not that not quite healthy, I would even say that they are not at all healthy. Plus acclimatization (if called from another region), frost, etc., etc ...
  15. Lich
    Lich 30 January 2014 12: 09
    +16
    The new form is horror, I experienced it on myself. Pea jacket can not be called. Very cold, the collar does not cover the neck, the jacket itself is thin, constantly caught a cold. Boots - this is something, try to stand on the street in a 25-degree frost in ordinary autumn boots on a thin sole, in a thin holey toe - you will understand.

    It was very cold in the barracks, in the morning it was +5. It is impossible not to recall the idiocy of the "commanders": the formation - everyone is in quilted jackets, pea jackets, buttoned up, we stand for 15-30 minutes in the barracks, sweating and cold, kapets ...

    A soldier is extremely forbidden to get sick, he will throw snow until he falls down with a temperature below 40.

    Well, of course, the soldiers .. They pulled them out from behind the computers, from the mother's boobs, how many such "procedures" are needed to catch the infection
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 30 January 2014 12: 59
      +3
      I personally saw the transition to a new form, as a result, one of the floors of the barracks became an infirmary for SARS patients, this is the result. At the same time, our call, according to the flora, was sick much less often.
  16. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 30 January 2014 12: 27
    +8
    Quote: Mazadrive
    I don’t know such a part where there is hot water in the barracks, in the bath-yes, but outside the military unit. We had a dryer in order to raise the temperature, it was cold to sleep, they opened the door, and even without the Kulibins it could not do.

    I report on the topic: last fall, showers and a boiler for hot water were installed in the barracks, this year in the barracks! all windows were replaced with plastic; in the sleeping location, additional heaters were installed as in the dryer. If the units are normal officers and warrant officers, then the care for the soldiers will be appropriate. It’s another matter that we don’t have medical staff, and the nearest hospital is 200 km away, if necessary, you have to treat soldiers in a civil clinic at your own expense! This is the complete insanity of Serdyukov’s reform, and now we are also ordered by order to hand over to the SES washouts from dishes in the dining room, and the SES is located 75 km from us, the trip is again at our own expense!
    1. Soldier
      Soldier 30 January 2014 12: 38
      +4
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      If the parts are normal officers and warrant officers

      The trouble is that normal is not always and everywhere is okay. Those who are not officers, but really jackals, are also caught.
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 30 January 2014 13: 00
      +3
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      I report on the topic: last fall, showers and a boiler for hot water were installed in the barracks, this year in the barracks! all windows were replaced with plastic; in the sleeping location, additional heaters were installed as in the dryer. If the units are normal officers and warrant officers, then the care for the soldiers will be appropriate
      That's why you do not get sick so massively.
    3. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 30 January 2014 13: 01
      0
      A compulsory medical insurance policy? in theory in any city they should provide free help. I had the whole service in my passport.
    4. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 30 January 2014 13: 06
      0
      There is a question, and now underwear is provided for soldiers, I mean thin cotton pants and warm knitted ones?
  17. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 30 January 2014 12: 33
    +1
    Reform is a sabotage rewarded with major theft.
    The main liberalist, combining posts, does not give up his saboteurs.
    Yes, and the recruits are not the same already, noticeably went poorer.
  18. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 30 January 2014 12: 33
    +8
    BARKAS SU
    We wore tank pea jackets "tankers" were called and now I remember them, even the heat becomes very warm and comfortable.

    I do not understand! Why all the best that was in the Soviet Union should be, excuse me, give a shit ... and implement, to whom that will raze in the head. Under the USSR, before changing something, introducing, whole research institutes worked out the issue, and now, a "reformer" will come, such as Mendel, FURSENKA, - mathematical-mechanical faculty, and "piled" in the entire education system, Chubais - "economics and organization machine building production "- got into the energy sector, destroyed the entire harmonious system of energy enterprises, Golikova - the Institute of National Economy by specialty"labor economics"-" supervised "health care. Many examples can be cited. This is a form of sabotage.
    In the USSR, at our power plant: Director - Electrical Engineer, Chief Engineer - Turbine Engineer. The "interested" people from the Ministry of Energy were bankrupt, resold, and now the "managers" of our company are solid m-e-e-e-ngers who know nothing about energy or the specifics of our company, who have only ambitions, and in the eyes - only $$, under their "sensitive" guidance the firm is breathing on its palm!
    It’s a pity the guys are very happy, the Kingdom of heaven to them, and the rest - a speedy recovery.
  19. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 30 January 2014 12: 35
    +3
    After the Kharkov school, I did not have typhus, paratyphoid, or hepatitis. For who has a red nose, then his eyes are not yellow fellow
  20. syntanjey
    syntanjey 30 January 2014 12: 36
    +2
    Atas, a bacteriological weapon in action! Labs are everywhere, pig farming is banned, the army is sick!
  21. yehat
    yehat 30 January 2014 12: 53
    0
    rightly say - now there are a lot of suffocations. They basically get sick.
    But everyone is to blame. Officers are inadequate explicit. Soldiers - they probably write off a lot.
    Health workers are careerists.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 January 2014 14: 56
      +3
      Less for paramedics!
  22. ando_bor
    ando_bor 30 January 2014 12: 54
    +2
    In the medical unit, soldiers are "extinguished" there are really sick people, but it is difficult to distinguish them - this is a quote from a soldier's message on social networks. And sometimes it's too late.
  23. AK-47
    AK-47 30 January 2014 13: 09
    +2
    I think the matter is in shoes, shoes, socks - this is in the summer, and in the winter, kirzachi and flannelettes and no ailments.
  24. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 30 January 2014 13: 51
    +2
    We didn’t bring coal to the second training center near Vladimir in the 91st year. We burned logging felling, there was a lot of good around the forest. All the same, I had to sleep under the greatcoats. But no one got sick. There was, however, a case when flu killed a dozen soldiers (we had about 80 people on the list). Three guys in the morning building literally fell out of order. I was the company duty officer, and the officers still did not drive out of the city. There was only an officer on duty. I had to quarrel with the duty officer on the phone, who called back 2 times and clarified everything, for which we called an ambulance. I thought it would fly for a rough conversation with some kind of polkan. But nothing happened. The guys in the MSCh part of the two weeks went over and over.
  25. dr.star75
    dr.star75 30 January 2014 14: 04
    +5
    Judging by the comments, there are no doctors on the forum. I am conducting a small educational program. "SARS" is a rather rare disease. It is caused by rare pathogens (sorry, I have already studied microbiology for a long time). Here, most likely, there was the addition of "simple" pneumonia to ARVI. Not a single, I repeat, ANY doctor, not even the Minister of Health at the initial stage diagnoses this connection. Modern diagnostic methods ALSO! Only a clinic, i.e. symptoms. But, the system works: if it does not help on an outpatient basis, they are transferred to a hospital, which was done by doctors. The soldier was hospitalized. Unfortunately it was not possible to save. Until the medicine cures 100%. By the way, in civilian life, people also die of pneumonia, even more often than you think.
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      Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 30 January 2014 14: 46
      +3
      Almost everything is correct, but [quote] atypical
      pneumonia essentially no. A variety of microorganisms cause pneumonia, which they like to mutate to survive in the human body.
      It is impossible to get pneumonia directly, pneumonia is a complication of respiratory diseases. And to get such a complication you need:
      1 - kill the hell immunity (that is, undernourish or not receive vitamins for 2-3 months, a very long time in the cold, stress - also noticeably affect)
      2 - to have a pair of soldiers from large cities, when the rest will be from villages and villages deaf - At least the general flu is provided, and the gastrointestinal joys are also spread.
      3 - do not have normal medications and antibiotics as well. And most importantly - a first-aid post and an insulator, where you can truly isolate the patient. Yes, and if the barracks are old, if not barracks, without normal ventilation - also a risk factor
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  1. dr.star75
    dr.star75 30 January 2014 14: 51
    0
    Excuse me, are you a medic? I just don’t know how to argue for you, as a doctor or not.
  • Docklishin
    Docklishin 30 January 2014 20: 50
    0
    Pneumonia is an inflammation of the lung tissue (in the first stages of the alveoli) of a bacterial and / or viral etiology; it can also be candida (but this is a specific topic). It appears as the main disease, but can be a complication of another disease. There is an iron-concrete RULE + recommendations of pulmonologists of the Russian Federation, if there is the slightest suspicion of pneumonia, broad-spectrum antibiotics are prescribed. Further, sputum culture, X-ray dynamic assessment of the patient's condition + assessment of the temperature curve. * pneumonia, by the way, in the initial stages can be X-ray negative and the diagnosis is established only objectively (auscultation + symptoms). This is followed by the de-escalation principle of antibiotic therapy, taking into account sputum culture and antibiotic sensitivity + infusion / detoxification (aka droppers) and restorative therapy. Monitoring blood count + good nutrition .....
    1. Docklishin
      Docklishin 30 January 2014 21: 01
      0
      more ... The viral nature of the disease can be reliably determined only with the help of an expensive PCR study (polymerase chain reaction) - it is expensive, but it shows the type of virus (H1N1, H2N1, etc.). Following the logic of things, initially, the soldiers against the background of general hypothermia, good nutrition, poor ventilation, poor sanitation, and lack of qualification were SARS - it’s a viral infection, it’s also the flu. In the absence of a normal relationship, this thing was complicated by a bacterial infection, and maybe by superinfection (this is bad, google it), and then downhill. But it was possible to save. Now, take a look at the internet prices for respiratory fluoroquinalones, carbopenems (Tienam), glycopeptides (Vancomycin) - these are very strong a / b reserves just for such cases. And at the same time, how much is Interferon, and other immunomodulators. This is a minimum. Ultimately, a fungus joins the whole bouquet - there will already be a full PPC.
    2. Docklishin
      Docklishin 30 January 2014 21: 11
      -1
      And do not talk about the 90s and weakened organisms - this is so, but it is secondary. The root of evil is poor provision, the absence of all the necessary vaccinations at the CITIZEN (starting from school), the dullness of the higher authorities, the incompetence of medical staff, and the lack of proper medicines (you understand dearly). Here’s Vit C, but we are in full swing. WHO and most importantly HOW !!!! will perform the entire algorithm described above somewhere in ZabVO or in Kamchatka. Today you believe in it. As a doctor, I don’t. Because even in Moscow, this is not always respected. And in order to bury a young organism with huge protective reserves - it is necessary to try sooooo long for a long time. Ps. Here it is necessary to take an example from amers - their military hospitals are the standard of medical care for all other healthcare institutions. Pss Who is a doctor and does not have access to literature www.BooksMed.com Maybe someone will help. IMHO.
  • Cucumbers
    Cucumbers 30 January 2014 14: 05
    -2
    The virus has long been in us. And it was introduced through shock therapy back in the 90s. A special informational virus is activated during stressful situations and under adverse conditions for the body. The effect of directed radiation on activation is also possible.
  • piterkras
    piterkras 30 January 2014 14: 08
    0
    It is known that in case of detection of pneumonia, the soldier is commissioned for health. So some tend to get sick so that they overdo it. He served for 2 years, but there was nothing like that at all. Is the Yeltsin generation of the 90s so frail, or is it just that someone will not consciously keep an eye on their health?
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 January 2014 14: 24
      0
      Pneumonia is an acute disease, after cure, does not leave consequences that impede further service. soldier
  • AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 30 January 2014 14: 28
    +1
    I have only a month before the oath of barracks experience, but I remember that having caught a cold on the forwarding station all the time, but charging in the cold in the morning, always damp linen and footcloths, did their job better than any hospitals, I was already healthy and cheerful at the shooting range. but this is back in the days of the Union, now the boys are already poisoned with antibiotics, mass vaccinations, disgusting products and plastic clothes. if you do not change household rules and regulations, then with formal medical commissions such stories will be repeated regularly
  • I think so
    I think so 30 January 2014 14: 31
    -2
    Moreover, pneumonia, and even more so atypical ... The usual mess and theft in the country and the army ... and the soldiers are dying ... They don’t report what they are supposed to do, they don’t give out what is supposed to be, they make horseradish do what, and not military training ... and this is the result ... And so it will be until the country finally sinks into oblivion or the real leader comes to power ... and not become empty ...
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 January 2014 14: 47
      +1
      If "I think so", you really think so, then get out of here, further you will be even worse. "Bloody Regime" will find and make you work! And do not carry it around.
  • Blondin nikonov
    Blondin nikonov 30 January 2014 14: 33
    -1
    Again, my town became famous throughout the country for its slackness and atrocities. Previously, there were much more military personnel in the training, but there wasn’t such gouging as now ....
  • Blondin nikonov
    Blondin nikonov 30 January 2014 14: 34
    0
    Again, my town became famous throughout the country for its slackness and atrocities. Previously, there were much more military personnel in the training, but there wasn’t such gouging as now ....
  • rumatam
    rumatam 30 January 2014 14: 37
    0
    generally amazed, +15, and oh my god is a nightmare for soldiers. And what will happen if they are on exercises in tents and guards? Who are you pitting, it speaks of the poor health of the current recruits. How much is needed in the barracks can +30 and on guard on guard. The form and synthetics do not warm, but what they have given is worn.
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 30 January 2014 15: 04
    +1
    I served 2 of the year as a tanker from 1972 to 1974.
    1. Every morning, bare-chested physical training in both winter and summer. Daily physical training on spot projectiles. Any hilyak left the army for pumped up peasants. Maintenance of equipment is an additional physical training.
    2. The whole form was made of natural materials. There was not a single gram of synthetics in it. Form - Cotton, overcoat - pure wool. Winter tank jumpsuit - on natural wool, real felt boots and footcloths. And yet, I think that shoes do not save from getting wet. Whole, polished kirzachi kept their feet wet for a long time. In the guard, in winter, sheepskin coats are required.
    3. In the USSR, a significant part of the youth knew that they would serve in the army. On the streets, deadly people were always a target for whipping. Although this was petty hooliganism, it is part of male self-affirmation. A lot of people went in for sports and participated in competitions for honor at various levels.
    4. The officers were always with the personnel, day and night, in the barracks. Grandfathers and old people, of course, forced them to do a lot for themselves, but there was no criminal bullying in our battalion. But it hit me in the face. And it was an effective argument for those who said: "Mine, yours do not understand"
  • 120352
    120352 30 January 2014 15: 10
    -1
    Again, the boys are being ruined by the "virual" uniform, lack of living conditions and expired medicines. And after that, someone is surprised that the youth from the army is mowing down? Yes, not from the army! And from the opportunity to die for bribes and kickbacks of the fathers-commanders!
    My son served almost 25 years ago. He rose to the foreman. It was not easy, but it was a service. What today? Grandchildren in the army will not let go!
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 30 January 2014 16: 02
      0
      Do not panic, on a citizen ten times more mortality from pneumonia.
  • rereture
    rereture 30 January 2014 15: 29
    0
    My friend has a friend in the army who died. She said that he was ill, and then he was injected with something and he leaned back.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 January 2014 16: 49
      0
      And my brother also almost died in the army. In 1995, on New Year's Eve, he went for a walk in Grozny (the Pskov Airborne Division), many died, he survived.
  • sinukvl
    sinukvl 30 January 2014 16: 27
    0
    Quote: Civil
    Anyway, there is a specific culprit.

    I agree because if you rephrase Comrade Stalin - Each event has a surname, name and patronymic.
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 30 January 2014 17: 00
    +2
    Previously, viral pneumonia was a rarity in the USSR. And the usual one was treated with antibiotics. Therefore, death from pneumonia in the armed forces was a rarity. Draftees with a very weak immune system are now arriving. There are many reasons. Poor nutrition, disgusting foods in stores stuffed with all sorts of carcinogenic additives. There is not even normal milk. It quietly stands six months outside the refrigerator and does not deteriorate. Squash it yourself is impossible. The result is some kind of white snot. Plus, around poisonous production and environmental control is minimal, but for a lot of money it is not at all.
    But, the main thing is nutrition! Families have been sitting on Doshiraki for years. There is no money for meat, quality vegetables and fruits. Mothers often raise their children alone for a beggarly salary. And then these barely living creatures enter the army. Why be surprised!
  • Student
    Student 30 January 2014 18: 06
    0
    We are in Ostrogozhsk, again the soldiers got cold!
  • Lich
    Lich 30 January 2014 18: 24
    0
    I’ll tell you how we were treated:

    So, fighter, temperature 37-37.5, cough
    Treatment: discharged 3.14jule in quantity at the discretion of the command, snow removal

    3-4 days, temperature 38, choking cough, impossible to sleep
    Treatment: 3.14 angry in the amount exceeding the daily norm by 2 times, aspirin - 1 pc, to clear the snow only in the morning, because there is no temperature in the morning (in the barracks +5, cold sweat)

    5-7 days from the onset of the disease: temperature 39, you can swallow only warm water
    Treatment: estessno 3.14 lyuley, then to the local infirmary, cooked up right in the barracks in one of the utility rooms. (since the company’s commanders will completely hide the actual number of cases from the higher authorities). Aspirin, there was even a / m analgin, but at this stage it’s all poultices, the cheapest antibiotic (if there is one, but it is rare).

    7-10 days from the onset of the disease: the temperature is kept at 40
    Here our valiant commanders make a heroic decision to send to the hospital! Wow!

    What kind of diagnoses are we talking about? They make an x-ray, but pneumonia can be seen only in the dying man. The paramedic comes in once a month, and try to please him .. This is how they treat him in the army, I mean, if someone is going to trample down his boots, call in the summer (spring), you will be healthy in winter
  • clidon
    clidon 30 January 2014 19: 21
    +1
    It's not about the form and not about the weather, it's about the attention of society. In Soviet times - well, the soldier died, as it is understandable, flimsy, not prepared for the service. Parents body, commander reprimand. In the 90s, he died, well, such a time, the body of parents, reprimand for the commander, with a change of position, a response to the committee of soldiers' mothers. Now the Internet and television for each case begin to dig and demand an explanation. Well, how to explain? Well, the form is to blame and the difficult situation.
  • alone
    alone 30 January 2014 22: 04
    0
    what I look forward to another reform about the uniform of the military! belay Shaw, again ???
  • Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 31 January 2014 03: 38
    +2
    It’s not only a matter of form, because everyone served and everyone knows what it means to be sick in the army, until no one falls on your sick leave or sends you to the hospital. Stories about pills for the abdomen and drops for the nose from a headache are not a joke, but quite real cases from life, I myself came across this. Unit commanders themselves give instructions to medical workers or any sick leave. I haven’t been serving myself for a long time, but my wife serves on a contract, and when her sinusitis exacerbates every winter, she doesn’t let anyone go for treatment, who will drag shifts for her, it’s necessary to change the schedule, why bother. So the command begins to scratch in us only when the fried rooster bites.