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China: old people, children and the national dream

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In November last year, the third plenum of the Central Committee of the Communist Party was held in the PRC. At the plenum, it was decided to change the policy on birth control. Relaxed “rules” on birth control have not yet entered into force. The decision of the plenum is still questionable and will be re-examined in February. If accepted, it will take effect in March. In this case, Chinese family couples will be able to have not one, but two children, - provided that at least one of the spouses was the only child of the parents.


China: old people, children and the national dream


The resolution of the November plenum announced, in fact, a new policy of state family planning. True, with the proviso that this very policy will be refined and improved. The February meeting of the party will probably provide some clarifications.

In any case, the statements of the leaders of the Chinese Communists about the refinement and improvement, as well as about the long-term balanced development, are not empty words. The new policy has already been partially tested.

A few years ago, the Chinese authorities allowed citizens to have a second child — the families in which both parents were the only children. Permission for two children was given to families living in rural areas, provided that their first child is a girl.

By the way, the last is easy to understand: in China, girls do not like to give birth, the main breadwinner of the family is a man. Therefore, many Chinese women prefer abortions until they become pregnant as a boy. The result of these abortions gave rise to an imbalance: the Chinese census of the population 2011 of the year showed that there are about 20% more boys born in the Middle Kingdom than girls.

Ali Aliyev ("Voice of Russia") notes that there are more men in China in 34 million than women.

“To stand aside, pulling a handkerchief in their hands, Chinese women are clearly not threatened. Over the past year, the population of mainland China grew by 7 million and reached 1 billion. 360 million. At the same time, the number of men in the country exceeded 697 million, and women only more than 663 million. More than 34, the millionth difference may turn out to be more, because the statistics do not take into account data for Hong Kong and Macau, as well as the population of Taiwan.

The tendency to increase the "Chinese muzhikovatosti" more than a dozen years. Beginning with the 80s of the last century, there were more and more boys in China. By 2005, 100 boys were in 120 girls, and in two years 124 was already there. And these are average figures for the country, although in some provinces the predominance of boys comes to 140 per hundred. Demographers consider this to be the result of a longstanding policy of the authorities aimed at reducing the growth rate of China’s population. ”


The author reminds that at the same time, the number of Chinese who are over sixty, that is, the elderly, is 202 million (almost 15% of the population). Today, every tenth Chinese (132 million, or 9,7%) is older than 65 years.

Add to this forecast data published in the media. By 2020, the number of older people in the Celestial Empire will be equal to 243 to millions, and by 2050, it will exceed 280, or even 300 million.

Therefore, measures to lift fertility restrictions are very timely.

Two months ago, Mao Qunan, a representative of the State Committee on Health and Planned Childbirth of the PRC, said that over four decades, the policy of planned childbearing in China had reduced China’s population by about 400 million. According to him, who were quoted by the Xinhua agency, the birth rate in the PRC declined from 33,4 ppm in 1970 to 12,1 ppm in 2012, and natural population growth went from 25,8 ppm in 1970 to 4,95 ppm in 2012.

The slowdown in population growth has weakened human influence on the environment and somewhat solved the problem of lack of resources, which contributed to economic development, comrade Mao Qunan said.

It is necessary to note one more thing. The Chinese government is seeking to increase domestic consumption in the country in order to reduce its economic dependence on trends and crises of the world economy. At the growth of domestic consumption drew attention to the aforementioned plenum of the CPC Central Committee.

“The actual legitimization of the second child in young urban families can lead to the emergence of another 15 million children in China only in the year 2014. In addition to the positive long-term effect, it will be another incentive for the growth of domestic consumption ", - explains Stanley Chang, a professor at the University of Hong Kong.

After the November plenum in the Western press, analytical articles appeared with forecasts regarding the new demographic policy. Agency Xinhua made a special media review on this topic.

France Press called official Beijing's family planning policy a “key” transformation that will help slow the pace of aging of the Chinese nation. However, due to the fact that relief will affect approximately 1 million married couples, they will lead to a rather limited increase in the birth rate.

According to the New York Times, the intentions of the Chinese government are evidence of a easing of birth-rate planning throughout the country. Scientists and demographers say that after the introduction of new easing, population growth will increase by 1-2 million people per year.

The Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat writes that mitigating the demographic policy will help the PRC to solve the problem of population aging and the imbalance in the ratio between men and women.

But the opinion of the Associated Press: the huge costs associated with the birth of a child have a negative impact on the desire of Chinese young people to have children, so the new demographic policy does not threaten to turn into a “baby boom”.

This opinion, alas, is not far from the truth. At the same time, it is necessary to look at the question objectively: after all, not only the high cost of living determines the desire of the husband and wife to have a child.

“We have one child, the second will not be. Two children, of course, well, but this requires conditions, and we are not so rich. There would be one to provide all the necessary "- declares young chinese woman

But statistics dating service. According to the weekly Nanfang Zhoumo, only about a quarter of those who want to find a husband or wife expect to meet a partner who would not have brothers and sisters, that is, a person with whom you can now have two children.

Putting on their feet and forming an only child in Beijing will cost parents over two million yuan. To accumulate so much money, the Chinese family with an average income will not have to eat or drink for twenty-three years, says Vesti correspondent Dmitry Sobiev.

This, in general, is not surprising. With the growth of the welfare of society, the birth rate is steadily decreasing. This is the case in the USA, the countries of Western Europe and in the post-reform years in Russia, which in the boom of unrestrained consumption imitates the same West.

The “Military Review” has repeatedly said that Europeans (Westerners) consider “investments” in children to be a disadvantage. Therefore, many couples either have an only child, or do not have children at all. The reason for the decline in the birth rate is not only in the economic crisis, which in Western countries affected far the whole society, but in the growth of egoism and extreme individualism. A person prefers to spend money on himself, on his pleasures, and not on children.

The same thing is true in Russia, in a consumer sense, already a quarter of a century equaling to the West. The development of a negative trend also contributes to the lack of ideology in the country. It simply does not exist, and it cannot be “developed”. If the USSR went from building socialism to communism and had corresponding gods - Marx and Engels and Lenin (Stalin was not always included in the list), then the oligarchic Russian Federation does not have “gods” (it was accepted to worship Gorbachev and Yeltsin only in the environment of so-called creative intelligentsia, which Ulyanov-Lenin would call an appropriate word), neither faith in a bright future, nor the enthusiasm of the masses about the "democracy". Western idols, people stopped praying in the early years of "market economy". In the name of Chubais, parents even began to frighten children. The democratic system of the state, which is sometimes written in the media, simply does not exist. There is socialism, and there is capitalism. There is no socialism as such for a long time, and Russians have not believed in a capitalist paradise for a long time. This paradise exists only on Rublevka, in the Kremlin and is distributed limitedly in the reserved palaces, dachas of our rulers. It is like a different planet.

But in China, the state ideology exists. In the Middle Kingdom - the socialist system under a one-party system of government. At the same time, there is an active struggle against corruption and the luxurious lifestyle of state officials. In the West, official Beijing is criticized for the excessive role of the state in the economy, for administrative imbalances in management, for the lack of democratic transformations here and there - but in fact it is a criticism by the capitalists of the socialist system opposing them, into which the Chinese authorities have quite successfully implemented market elements. The rapid growth of the Chinese economy is an excellent proof of success. For thirty years, the PRC has escaped into the first economies of the world, and in a few years it will be equal to the United States. The strategy of the Chinese governments turned out to be accurate, cunning, prudent and materially through and through — like all modern science. Being determines consciousness, and point. Western corporations began to transfer production to regions with cheaper labor - and the Celestial Empire used it with extraordinary profit for itself. Since 90-ies of the last century, it has turned into a global factory. At the same time, Americans and Europeans were losing a lot of jobs, factories and offices were closing. The capitalist fiasco of the West led the banal pursuit of corporate owners for profit. One insatiable bourgeois competed with another, and as a result, almost all the production safely moved to China. At the same time, China attracted foreign investment from the huaqiao - Chinese living abroad. Therefore, it becomes funny when you hear the Western criticism of the Chinese economy. If earlier everyone was equal to the capitalist West, now heads are turning to the socialist East.

If the government of the Celestial Empire, thanks to the new birth rate policy and other measures, succeeds in strengthening domestic consumption and solving the problem of the aging of the able-bodied population, the negative attitude of many young men and women to the birth of children will change. The success of government policy in the country will lead to a rise in the birth rate.

By the way, in the Middle Kingdom there is even a real Chinese dream. Yes, of course, national. This is the rebirth of the great Chinese nation. Yes, great, and yes - Chinese. And in the era of economic globalization, when the “global factory” became almost irreplaceable, this same dream, notice, affects the entire globe. And this situation can not but inspire the Chinese.

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  1. Nazrug
    Nazrug 1 February 2014 08: 27
    +5
    Now, in the comments, the Chinese will again capture the Far East))
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 February 2014 08: 53
      +20
      That's all the Chinese scare ..! I personally have not met one Chinese in my life ..! ))) But here all these arrogant faces are vkavkaz .. (I'm not talking about everyone ..)
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 1 February 2014 20: 12
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Now, in the comments, the Chinese will again capture the Far East))

        why just scare?
        hunghuz, "smaller brothers", then unfold their shoulders and stick out their chest: in addition to the East China Sea, they are going to create an air defense zone now over the entire South China Sea.
        in full (in the language of the State Department):
        http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/china/AJ201401310211

        but not only just whistle and shake the air, but also begin to chase those who dare to fish there without their permission


        Quote: MIKHAN
        That's all the Chinese scare ..! I personally have not met one Chinese in my life ..!

        purely for fun: did you see a NATO general, or at least a marine from Gringostan? also no?
        Well, I saw the same Hunghuz. photo of corpses in army uniform. on Soviet soil. back in 69th or was it not?
        ... but what am I talking about? blessed is he who believes.
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 2 February 2014 03: 21
          0
          Update
          the hunhuzes happily report (2014-02-01 20:43:39) about the expulsion of enemy aircraft from their air defense zone over the East China Sea
          with video and in full (in the language of the State Department):
          http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/video/2014-02/01/c_133088611.htm

          Well, as usual: the PLA is on guard of the Celestial Empire, which can joyfully celebrate New Year
        2. dark_65
          dark_65 2 February 2014 20: 21
          +2
          12 years in the Far East, and in Transbaikalia, there are them, that there are no flies on the heap, if the comrade is not seen, it doesn’t. There are no plague patients either, but there are facts.
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    4. Name
      Name 1 February 2014 09: 03
      +5
      Do not forget that the Far East is a platform from which it is convenient to influence the socio-economic processes in the Asia-Pacific region. By the way, it is precisely this advantage that creates the conditions for a growing security threat to the Russian Far East, as it strengthens the territorial interest of a number of states, in particular the PRC.
      It is enough to confront the leadership of the Russian Federation with the fact of the development and population of these lands by Chinese citizens.
      And for the seed:
      1. 31231
        31231 1 February 2014 10: 21
        +7
        It is enough to confront the leadership of the Russian Federation with the fact of the development and population of these lands by Chinese citizens.


        It’s enough to smoke something fenced and the land of the Russian Federation has already been developed and settled by the Chinese.

        In 2010-11, he worked in the area of ​​Partizansk, Ussuriysk, Nakhodka.
        Went to rest in border China. Chatted with one Chinese. He tried to turn up in Russia, but because of the heavy burden of taxes and bribes, he returned.
        In general, Romanov said that many of the "Chinese" living in Russia are Vietnamese.
        1. rereture
          rereture 1 February 2014 12: 02
          +3
          I agree with you, for example, there is such a small city of Klintsy (Bryansk region) there are not Vietnamese in the market there.
          1. StolzSS
            StolzSS 1 February 2014 21: 10
            +2
            It was like an interesting place there))) They don’t capture anything there, and they bought our excesses so well, and all right ...
      2. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 1 February 2014 15: 56
        +4
        The Chinese, instead of a pleasant comfortable life on the warm Pacific coast, go to our cold undeveloped lands and settle in. Who's stopping you, travel with friends, explore the Far East, have 5-6 children, what’s the problem. If you think that someone will do all of this for you, so the Chinese are doing just that, what are their questions.
      3. Forest
        Forest 2 February 2014 00: 37
        0
        If I understand correctly, the year 1650 is indicated on this map. What is it for?
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 1 February 2014 11: 08
      +6
      View a population density map of China. 80% on the Pacific coast and along the borders with Russia. The rest of their territory is purely Mongolia. So there are plenty of our own territorial resources. And as far as the lifting of restrictions on the birth rate is concerned, it is the legalization of what was in fact. The “super-planned” children born in rural areas were not registered, but they were not punished for it either. So no outbreak of fertility is foreseen. Everything is calculated there.
      1. rozowik
        rozowik 1 February 2014 11: 36
        +3
        Territorial resources, uh ... but what about the rest, oil, gas, are they not needed? Excuse me, but it seems to me that you are not looking at the root, there is also enough territory in the United States, but how many wars? And because of what? It’s not just that, but for the most part this is a struggle for feeding troughs. We have enough of everything: both land and minerals (and although all this is not ours, but at least in the state), and the population is small, and with them quantity in any case, you need to think about "your" resources for the future.
      2. dr.star75
        dr.star75 1 February 2014 16: 20
        0
        And in the villages, almost every family has a "nephew who came from the city," that is, completely without documents, as if he is not there.
    7. Greenwood
      Greenwood 1 February 2014 15: 21
      +2
      In Vladivostok, there are many more Uzbeks, Tajiks, Azeris, Chechens and other Kazakh people than Chinese. And the problems from them are tens of times greater than from the Chinese.
  2. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 1 February 2014 08: 28
    +10
    Sorry, of course, for an openly fascist statement, but the fewer Chinese and Indians, the better for other nations; in the end, diseases mutate where there are a lot of people, everyone also eats food. I’ll generally keep silent about the size of the army - there aren’t enough rounds of ammunition everywhere to contain such hordes.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 1 February 2014 11: 45
      -4
      I fully support it. One of our main tasks - to build the great Chinese Ocean, simultaneously resolving three issues at once - will extremely weaken the demographic problem, since seven billion is an unbearable burden for the planet and to reduce the population by about one and a half billion is a great relief for the whole Earth. we’ll eliminate our threat of a great flood due to the melting of the polar ice. There are no minuses - only pluses, so we must, regardless of the costs, throw our entire atom to solve this key issue of the development of Russian civilization.
    2. zennon
      zennon 1 February 2014 12: 31
      0
      Sorry of course for an openly fascist statement

      Why is it fascist? A normal saying. We actually have a perverted concept of fascism. Of course the population growth of the ranks and Mowgli must be restrained. Moreover, the situation with the Indians is worst. As for the rank:
      Over the past year, the population of mainland China has grown by 7 million people and reached the value of 1 billion 360 million.

      And this is in terms of birth control!
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 1 February 2014 15: 02
        +1
        throw our whole atom to solve this key issue

        A radical decision is inappropriate absolutely nowhere.
        Why fascist? Normal saying.

        By "fascist" I meant a pronounced nazi mood, when one nation has the right to exist, and another goes into oblivion. Unfortunately, always and everyone confused the concepts of Fascism, Nationalism and Nazism.
        Undoubtedly, China and India, judging rationally, are the cornerstone of modern life [and both the Ancient and the medieval style of Toschetta].
        Although, I would try to avoid bloodshed, something completely inappropriate at the present time, the era of maximum civilization and intellectualization of mankind (we do not consider the different brothers of our lesser). I believe that it is worth developing science, and everyone needs to explore space. Let every people master the planets, star systems and the galaxy as a whole.
        1. huut
          huut 1 February 2014 23: 43
          0
          Quote: Alex_Popovson
          Let every people master the planets, star systems and the galaxy as a whole.

          Maybe the Chinese will be the first to begin this journey. When everybody around you is surrounded by nuclear weapons - you won’t poke your head around - and the territory is needed, then you will inevitably look up. Or down) They just can easily separate part of the population for the colonies. True, everything depends on the pace of scientific progress, but the colonization of other worlds is, of course, an ideal option for everyone. Dreams) Reality is usually dirtier.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 1 February 2014 15: 23
      0
      So smart everyone is sitting here. And where will we Far East go on vacation then? Have you thought about this?
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 1 February 2014 15: 25
        0
        Well so, and Vietnam, and Thailand?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 1 February 2014 17: 09
          0
          It’s expensive ... It’s cheaper in China. Plus, many go to China for goods, which you will not find in other countries.
      2. zennon
        zennon 1 February 2014 19: 19
        -3
        And where will we Far East go on vacation then? Have you thought about this?

        Is it not fate in Italy? I highly recommend it.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 2 February 2014 16: 49
          0
          From Vladivostok? Oh well...
          1. zennon
            zennon 2 February 2014 19: 30
            0
            From Vladivostok? Oh well...

            And well, well? I flew from Moscow to the Maldives. Further than you to Italy. And Italy is a miracle! It’s much better than the ranks ...
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 3 February 2014 03: 20
              0
              Quote: zennon
              So what?
              And the fact that the price tag is not comparable. And in Italy, there’s nothing to do except swim in the sea. Prices must be prohibitive for everything. And in China, there are high-quality holidays at low prices, in our opinion, and the opportunity to go shopping for shopping (which our tourists like to do) and a lot of entertainment. And in general, China is a dynamically developing country, changing before our eyes. Every year I go there and do not cease to admire the pace of their growth. They really work, and not sit in a crisis and constant strikes, like Italy itself.
              1. zennon
                zennon 3 February 2014 20: 06
                0
                And in Italy, there’s nothing to do except swim in the sea. Prices must be prohibitive for everything.

                Your place at the flea market! Disgusted to handle. Goodbye shuttle!FUEL !!!
  3. ZU-23
    ZU-23 1 February 2014 08: 32
    +1
    Something today in VO is too much about the Chinese.
    1. alone
      alone 1 February 2014 16: 54
      +2
      laughing The site has 5 main problems:
      Jews, Ukrainians, Chinese, Caucasians, guest workers. And for many, even military topics are not interesting. The military site is slowly turning into a political diary.
      1. zennon
        zennon 2 February 2014 00: 13
        0
        The site has 5 main problems:
        Jews, Ukrainians, Chinese, Caucasians, guest workers.

        Nothing funny! All this is more important than the adoption of the next grenade launcher. REAL danger.
  4. Name
    Name 1 February 2014 08: 43
    +3
    Well, ml, the Chinese will fill the whole globe of the earth ... fearfully however. belay And again ... Europeans (Westerners) consider "investment" in children to be unprofitablethey will have to participate in the education of the Chinese ...
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 1 February 2014 09: 09
      +10
      Quote: name
      Well, ml, the Chinese will fill the whole globe of the earth ... fearfully however. belay And again ... Europeans (Westerners) consider "investment" in children to be unprofitablethey will have to participate in the education of the Chinese ...


      As if we did not have to participate in the process of educating the Chinese, we have a decline in fertility, and they breed like rabbits. Here in Kyrgyzstan, 30 thousand Kyrgyz women are married to them, and even these cards do not appear from brain inflammation.
      1. hrych
        hrych 1 February 2014 10: 19
        +8
        We do not have a decline in fertility, and for already a year there has been an increase. Most importantly, Russian, European children are born here, and this is quality. The quantity is not always good, the average Chinese and, oddly enough, the Japanese, for all the technological level of the country, can be safely considered mentally and physically retarded by European standards. Take their science and technology, and there is nothing there, only the apesity of the achievements of Europeans. All the achievements of civilization, were laid in Europe and Russia more than a hundred years ago and rushed forward in the 20th century. Asians are only now repeating our achievements more than half a century ago and so on. And believe me, new breakthrough technologies that will bring people to the next level will be acquired in Europe, naturally, when the Pharisees are turned out of science. And God bless our nuclear weapons, when a billion evil neighbors can be scattered into atoms.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 1 February 2014 11: 49
          +3
          The earliest possible dispelling of one billion evil neighbors to atoms is a great dream for me personally. With what rapture I would go to the Annunciation Pacific beach, take off my gas mask, light a fire and play the guitar ... Only now I never learned to play the guitar. ..
        2. Nikoha.2010
          Nikoha.2010 1 February 2014 12: 57
          +6
          Quote: hrych
          We do not have a decline in fertility, and for already a year there has been an increase. Most importantly, Russian, European children are born here, and this is quality. The quantity is not always good, the average Chinese and, oddly enough, the Japanese, for all the technological level of the country, can be safely considered mentally and physically retarded by European standards.

          And here's how to say it. The decline in the birth rate may or may not, let's see. But here is how many children are born in Russia among immigrants from the Asian and Caucasian republics, do not forget about this (I'm talking about Russian and European children) It is clear that maternity capitals cannot completely cover the issue of childbearing. There will be confidence in the future and material stability and there will be no question whether or not to have more than one child, but the mentality of Asian people is set to survive. In pre-revolutionary Russia, the more children in a family, the more working hands people plowed. And on the account of mental or physical retardation, the same can be argued. How the Chinese economy was raised - by labor and labor again, and Japan, having survived the second world and atomic bombing, its industry can only set an example ... hi
          1. hrych
            hrych 1 February 2014 13: 23
            +8
            A colleague in the dashing years, the birth rate of the individuals you mentioned was not less, although many consider this to be traditionalism, religious values, etc., but if we discard the conventions, then this was done and is being done now from a low socio-cultural level and low status and development of a woman in such a society ... But the Russians did not give birth due to self-control of fertility, through the use of honey. funds and, in extreme cases, by abortion, which says incl. about the level of development of society, although the result may be harmful. What has happened in recent years is the deliberate birth of Russian children, primarily because of stability, and mate. capital only support pants and no more. Now in the "Russian" regions, 10 per thousand (1%) are given birth per year, which is inferior to, say, Chechnya, where 25, but Chechens are a million, and there are more than 110 million of us. losses), and the Chechens will at least resist with a horn, but they will only give 25 thousand a year. Of course, I will keep silent about quality, but I will only mention the main problem of small peoples - degeneration, where the main reason is short-range family ties. So even in the North Caucasus, as it turned out, they lost more than 100 thousand children, where they obviously washed their mother's capital, and whether they were born only on paper, or died, but not written off, and 25 per thousand, turns out to be very strained.
            1. Nikoha.2010
              Nikoha.2010 1 February 2014 13: 46
              +1
              Thank you for the dialogue, plus and add that in addition to all of the above (stability, mat. Capital, etc.), the main thing would be desire! With uv. hi
        3. zennon
          zennon 2 February 2014 00: 20
          0
          The most important thing is that we have Russian, European children

          It would be nice! But is there growth in the Russian regions, and not in the Caucasus? And are Russians giving birth, not gypsies?
          And may God preserve our nuclear weapons

          But when we expel God, that is, the department of theology from MEPhI, then we will be calm for our nuclear weapons!
          1. hrych
            hrych 2 February 2014 01: 52
            +2
            And whoever said that the church should not develop, at one time it was only she who taught (though previously having antiquated all ancient science) the people of arithmetic, astronomy (though the geocentric Ptolemy system), foundry and architecture. Monk Bertold Brecht experimented with explosives. Most likely, it is not the theology department that needs to be removed from the Moscow Engineering Physics Institute, but the nuclear physics departments should be opened in theological seminaries, let them study plasma, because the angels of light must exist in these matters. Well, if plutonium is in the censer, it is also not bad. By the way, Mendeleev’s grandfather was a pop, so it didn’t stop him from turning over all natural sciences and starting up progress, all of our current civilization with achievements in the nuclear field, with its physicochemical freaks, would not have gone so far without this gentleman.
            1. hrych
              hrych 2 February 2014 02: 22
              +2
              Sorry, of course, the monk Bertold Schwartz, Brecht from another opera.
      2. dr.star75
        dr.star75 1 February 2014 16: 24
        +1
        To paraphrase: a nation that does not feed its amia will feed a stranger. A people who do not give birth to their children will feed strangers. What prevents us from giving birth? Still not drunk men in Russia?
        1. zennon
          zennon 2 February 2014 00: 42
          +2
          . What prevents us from giving birth?

          There are many reasons. Little housing. The housing stock is not available to the average family. With a short period of life for men, a high level of women. Russia is turning into a country of widows, which means old women. An old woman needs her own room, just the one that is needed for a child. Small retirement age -5-10 years lower than in Europe. Hence the burden of pensioners for the state, which means the poverty of the country, which means that young families are not confident in tomorrow's day. Not the desire and ability of our political elite to carry out real reforms-LOOK AT CHINA! The wrong policy in the field of education. They prepare not those, and not so much who and how much they need. A simple example: We need about 300 civilian pilots. They earn a lot of money - 200 thousand rubles or more a month. At the same time, we graduate about 120 young pilots per year. An idiotic national policy. Millions of Russian people in the former republics, without the slightest support of Russia. At the same time, a million head herds of Gaster. You can still bring ... Just say, "Why don't you give birth?" try it ...
  5. mountain
    mountain 1 February 2014 09: 11
    +7
    Such a number of people is simply dangerous and not only for Russia but for the whole of humanity. One day they will come out
    beyond the borders of their territories and how, and their locusts will be difficult to stop.
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    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 1 February 2014 10: 28
      +3
      So there are a lot of them all over the WORLD. There are already plenty of them both in the USA and in Siberia. And soon in Ukraine it will be full, because INuk signed a lease agreement with them
      Non-residents of Ukraine rent more than 12 million hectares of Ukrainian land, said the president of the Association of Farmers

      And here is Russia:
      The authorities of the Chinese province of Heilongjiang (in the northeast) have leased a plot of Russian land with an area of ​​426 thousand hectares, Infox.ru writes with reference to the Xinhua news agency.
      Read more:
      http://news.nur.kz/153247.html
      So they assimilate the whole globe without war ..
      1. mountain
        mountain 1 February 2014 11: 01
        +2
        Yes, and now the locusts, not a few on the planet, but so far it has not gathered in flocks and has not flocked to free territories. There must be some recipe.
        1. demel2
          demel2 1 February 2014 14: 48
          +1
          And so that locusts did not go to free territories, there are YaRS, TOPOL, etc. IMHO
    3. zennon
      zennon 2 February 2014 00: 49
      +1
      One day they will come out
      beyond the borders of their territories and how, and their locusts will be difficult to stop.

      Finally, this simple thought begins to break through! And as soon as I quoted the words of the world-famous publicist and naturalist David Frederick Attenborough that the biosphere of the Earth can sustain a population of no more than 2 billion people without damage, as they pecked at me.
  6. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 1 February 2014 09: 22
    +5
    Such a sign: if more girls are born than girls, then through 20 years to be a war. And there are 36 million more Chinese men ... In theory, such a number of extra men will either find brides on the side or tear their China to shreds.
    1. rereture
      rereture 1 February 2014 12: 07
      +1
      There are more men in China due to birth control and parental dullness.

      Therefore, in the Chinese family there should always be a breadwinner and a successor of the clan, therefore women refused the girls and had abortions.
      1. demel2
        demel2 1 February 2014 14: 51
        +1
        This is not stupidity of parents, and the need for China does not pay pensions and all the hope of parents in old age is children.
  7. BIGLESHIY
    BIGLESHIY 1 February 2014 10: 10
    +3
    A long time ago, in one TV show about Nostradamus, they talked about the translation of one quatrain. So it said that Russia would have to wage a war with "an army with the look of locusts" (does it remind anyone?).
    It is possible that they are preparing for future conquests.
  8. Salamander
    Salamander 1 February 2014 10: 11
    +3
    I respect the Chinese for their policies, but I cannot wish them luck ...
  9. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 1 February 2014 10: 21
    +12
    As for these cards, at a high level, Chinese leaders have promised in textbooks to change the borders to state ones since 2014. We will see. As for the future - the Chinese, if you look at the population density - 90% live in the subtropics and tropics of China, this is the coast of the sea and the valleys of the Yellow River and Yangtze. Well, it's not the climate for them to live with us in Kazakhstan, where the temperature is from -50 to +60, or in Siberia and the Far East, not counting the Sikhotealin, the Amur region. Because of such "beauties" they will not butt with Russia. I flew from Korea to Almaty over China - a continuous desert, there is nothing and no one. That is, they have enough of their own Siberia and Kazakhstan, and it seems they need to settle there first. Their goal, it seems to me, is Africa, equatorial and down to South Africa. There you can successfully resettle 1-2 billion Chinese without straining. Plus the forest, bowels. Already in Africa, more than 50 Chinese managers are preparing a foothold. Huge investments have already been made in Africa. Corruption in Africa - Mama do not cry, negritos will sell everything and everyone. The Chinese population will be partially assimilated by surplus 000 million young men, partially destroyed. Given that Africa itself is on the brink of survival, this can be done easily and without much resistance. Yes, and no one will harness for the blacks. So quiet and sink into oblivion. Well, this is a program for the 50st century, and then there is where to go - Africa is big. In the 21nd century, the population of Europe will mostly lose its European features, it will be a mash of Arab-Negro-Turkish bloodlines. Apparently in the long term, the Chinese will settle in Europe, as the climate there is mild. And hardly anyone will encroach on our lands. We are aggressive, we live in extreme climatic conditions. General Frost will be more terrible than guns and missiles. And the devil only knows what will happen to the Chinese in 22 years. So health and prosperity to us for 100/1 of the land. drinks
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 1 February 2014 10: 40
      +1
      Quote: Asan Ata
      Apparently in the distant future, the Chinese will populate Europe,

      But by then, they will look like Europeans. laughing
    2. rozowik
      rozowik 1 February 2014 10: 55
      0
      But the Chinese are already settling in our far east, systematically, and in which case they will fully take advantage of this opportunity, like we did in our time, remember 2008, and it will look like "protecting their citizens"
      1. demel2
        demel2 1 February 2014 14: 58
        +2
        But who told you that the Chinese populate the Far East? I live on the very border of the Chinese I see only in the market. But you probably know better.
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 1 February 2014 15: 25
        +1
        Quote: rozowik
        the Chinese are already populating our Far East
        Only in your fantasies. So far, Russia is increasingly populated by Muslims from the Caucasus and Central Asia.
    3. Cristall
      Cristall 1 February 2014 13: 39
      0
      Quote: Asan Ata
      And hardly anyone will encroach on our lands. We are aggressive, we live in extreme climatic conditions. General Frost will be the worst guns and missiles. And the devil knows what will happen to the Chinese in 100 years. So health and prosperity to us on 1/6 sushi

      And then the whole world will be against the Russians? A lot of water leaks, no one knows how it will be. Maybe the Japanese will be against it, and the Indians too. Although the Chinese organization is growing. Quietly, but confidently.
      Frost contributes to consolidation, there is a theory that adverse conditions, in particular cold, contribute to scientific discoveries and the organization of the state machine. In general, the development of discoveries and inventions to survive. While favorable conditions, somewhat corrupting society.
    4. Cristall
      Cristall 1 February 2014 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: Asan Ata
      And hardly anyone will encroach on our lands. We are aggressive, we live in extreme climatic conditions. General Frost will be the worst guns and missiles. And the devil knows what will happen to the Chinese in 100 years. So health and prosperity to us on 1/6 sushi

      And then the whole world will be against the Russians? A lot of water leaks, no one knows how it will be. Maybe the Japanese will be against it, and the Indians too. Although the Chinese organization is growing. Quietly, but confidently.
      Frost contributes to consolidation, there is a theory that adverse conditions, in particular cold, contribute to scientific discoveries and the organization of the state machine. In general, the development of discoveries and inventions to survive. While favorable conditions, somewhat corrupting society.
    5. dr.star75
      dr.star75 1 February 2014 16: 36
      +1
      I agree about the maps, we ourselves will draw what we need, for example, with "Stalin Strait". It is unlikely that the Chinese will trample on our Far East (of course, if we are strong) Rather Africa. Surely ours have already drawn a scenario "if that" for them.
    6. Nayhas
      Nayhas 1 February 2014 20: 11
      +1
      Quote: Asan Ata
      Well, it’s not their climate that we live in in Kazakhstan, where the temperature is from -50 to +60, or in Siberia and the Far East, not counting the Sikhotealin, the Trans-Amur region.

      The Chinese live where the party says no one asks their wishes. The party said to move to Tibet, the Chinese got up and moved, the party said to move to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Okrug, got up and went to dilute the Uyghurs ... The party will live in Yakutia, they will stand up and go ...
  10. Azaat
    Azaat 1 February 2014 10: 47
    0
    Kyrgyz Uyghurs for Russia do not hurt and stand. Maybe not worth it and worries about them.
  11. rozowik
    rozowik 1 February 2014 10: 57
    0
    Quote: Azaat
    Kyrgyz Uyghurs for Russia do not hurt and stand. Maybe not worth it and worries about them.

    Hmm, just remember the history, each country needs a certain "security belt", which, although for a couple of days, will delay the invaders, and by that time we will be ready for defense fellow
  12. Urus
    Urus 1 February 2014 12: 13
    -2
    _What are the Chinese worse than Europeans / remember?! / There is no difference between the rock and the anvil. Blood is not the main thing, mentality is the essence!
  13. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 1 February 2014 12: 54
    +3
    What is the "great" national dream of Chinese old people, children and their parents, it makes no difference to me. She is not interesting to me and is completely parallel. I have only one desire in this regard - that every single Chinese (dreaming or not) stay within the boundaries of their "great" China and never leave its "sacred" borders. At least towards Russia and the CIS countries ...

    An old and used poster, but very relevant today ...
  14. RUSS
    RUSS 1 February 2014 12: 56
    0
    The Dal is not particularly needed by the Chinese. East from them they have everything that they need, the Dragon's gaze is fixed on the Pacific-Asian region.
  15. Cristall
    Cristall 1 February 2014 13: 52
    +2
    China has always experienced demographic problems, but for the time being they were "burned out" in the furnace of wars (the Japanese and Europeans tried hard) and diseases.
    As soon as the first stopped, and the second was blocked (all the same, epidemics ceased to disturb even the poorest), the country experienced a "boom" - the usual baby boom.
    For a long time I played on trump cards - massive labor and disciplined (non-conflict-prone and obedient working) resources. Cheap and affordable.
    Remember, they do not have pensions under socialism. Therefore, automatically all living-at work. Europe has no load. Social is not big. Work or die - something like that.
    Simply with the loss of unlimited labor resources - it will be bad for the country to retain its leadership. Now labor resources are already cheaper in the same Indonesia (where the islands also "multiplied" rather robustly)
    India continues to actively "multiply" their religion is very conducive, and the discipline is not the same as that of the Chinese. The modern advancements of whites have made Asia the center of the baby boom. There are no wars (large ones like European ones, they constantly burned out surpluses), but there is a birth rate. The consumer society is not so developed - breadwinners are needed. Voila. We are growing by leaps and bounds.
    In general, the causes of the problems of the elderly and children in China are outlined by many. But here the main thing is to draw conclusions ourselves. We can defeat ourselves because of the consumer society. And the "Otaziatitsa" and "Omusulmanitsa" themselves. And keep in mind - the Chinese strictly carry their culture, even to remote areas. Muslims too. And only we are globalists (this is for all Europeans) - for some reason we are losing our roots, integrating into any system.
    One of the reasons, by the way, the drop in the birth rate in Europe and in our country is the role of women in society. The higher and higher her education, the fewer children. Considering that modern society has long relied on women as the leading "consumers" in the family, there is little chance of an increase in the birth rate. A woman is also a person, she spends more - for a consumer society she is even more profitable than a man. Why would she give birth? This will distract her. From work, role in society, career and pleasure, although there are many more reasons why.
  16. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 1 February 2014 13: 59
    0
    There are so many children in China. In the villages. but they are not registered so as not to pay a fine. In fact, the population of China is about 2 billion. There is something to think about.
  17. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 1 February 2014 14: 21
    +1
    Chinese and Russian are brothers forever!
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 1 February 2014 14: 35
      +1
      Quote: Riperbahn
      Chinese and Russian are brothers forever!

      In a coffin and in white slippers I saw such Chinese brothers ... And especially those who are now wiping off the territories of Russia and the CIS countries ...
    2. Black
      Black 1 February 2014 19: 18
      0
      Quote: Riperbahn
      Chinese and Russian are brothers forever!


      What century? The 20th? He rested in the Bose ...
  18. delfinN
    delfinN 1 February 2014 14: 46
    +1
    Quote: name

    And for the seed:

    Well, you can draw anything. On the fence, too, all sorts of shit ... they write, the grandmother looked in - and there was firewood.
  19. T-73
    T-73 1 February 2014 15: 13
    0
    I wonder what will happen in 300 years? What nations will retain their identity? Or are they all mixed up anyway? This was not even imaginable until recently. The problem was population mobility and the quantity thereof. Now any point of the world is available. And nations are becoming closer on the planet. But once upon a time it was impossible to imagine the Tungus named Vasily (or Ivan, for example). I don’t recognize. Sorry. Maybe for the better?
  20. dr.star75
    dr.star75 1 February 2014 16: 42
    0
    Some interesting facts about China. 100 years ago, the population of China was less than Russia. About 100 million. How do you need ******* to multiply so?
    1. alone
      alone 1 February 2014 16: 57
      0
      Quote: dr.star75
      Some interesting facts about China. 100 years ago, the population of China was less than Russia. About 100 million. How do you need ******* to multiply so?


      Usually silently))) or in a whisper in Chinese)) laughing
      1. Riperbahn
        Riperbahn 1 February 2014 18: 14
        0
        Russians are cutting into computer games, but the Chinese have nothing to play with :( So they are actually engaged in reproducing the nation, like our black ... opy.
  21. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 1 February 2014 17: 14
    0
    The Chinese are our enemies. The Chinese are creatures eating children and dogs. Aborted material is delivered to elite restaurants in China. China is an enemy of RUSSIA.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 1 February 2014 17: 56
      +1
      Something like this is argued by our enemies who want war between Russia and China. By the way, during the Second World War, the Japanese destroyed about 35 million Chinese, by methods against which the Nazis were pioneers who tore off their wings from flies.
  22. Andrey77
    Andrey77 1 February 2014 17: 22
    +2
    The Chinese are crashing the labor market. Uzbeks and Tajiks still hold on, but not for long.
  23. Vadim12
    Vadim12 1 February 2014 19: 23
    0
    China wanted to spit on criticizing the West. Just silently do their job. And not like our Foreign Ministry, they are answering all garbage. There is someone to take an example from.
  24. nikcris
    nikcris 1 February 2014 20: 14
    0
    Everything is fine. FSE by the precepts of Mao. Everything is wonderful with the Chinese. And here we have a bungle: Stalin did not forbid abortion. Schaz corrected everything - in every bakery on the first shelf. And while not a single portrait of the LEADER.

    When the Chinese finally conquer us, they will have to go to work. And there, not to play dominoes, but to work. And when you work, you rarely think of gondons as unnecessary.

    Because - GLORY RVSN !!!
  25. Nayhas
    Nayhas 1 February 2014 20: 20
    0
    In the Middle Kingdom - the socialist system under a one-party system of government.

    Where did the author see socialism in China? The wildest capitalism with the complete lack of rights of workers and peasants ...
  26. nikcris
    nikcris 1 February 2014 20: 32
    0
    Quote: predator.3
    Quote: name
    Well, ml, the Chinese will fill the whole globe of the earth ... fearfully however. belay And again ... Europeans (Westerners) consider "investment" in children to be unprofitablethey will have to participate in the education of the Chinese ...


    As if we did not have to participate in the process of educating the Chinese, we have a decline in fertility, and they breed like rabbits. Here in Kyrgyzstan, 30 thousand Kyrgyz women are married to them, and even these cards do not appear from brain inflammation.

    Why isn’t Korea shaded? And Japan at the same time?
    Pour beer? drinks
  27. Puffed up
    Puffed up 1 February 2014 20: 36
    -3
    According to the predictions of the saints, there will be a war with China. 11 million Chinese soldiers and 4 million Russian soldiers will die. The Chinese will capture everything, up to the Urals. The West will first push China to war, and then it will be frightened and will help Russia. The USA will also help Russia. It is necessary to pray that this prophecy is not fulfilled. And here all the villages are dying out, but dwarfs in power are stealing uncontrollably. Yes, and we all scotched something ..... There is no love for each other.
    1. hrych
      hrych 1 February 2014 21: 12
      +4
      In order to reach the Urals, you don’t have to fight with Russia and capture Siberia, but run into our Strategic Rocket Forces, it’s enough to capture Kazakhstan, now in the Urals, which by the way is not fiction and out of stupidity, some Elbasy, just not the current one, is quite possible. Yes, they only prophesy about China, let’s say, the prophets are not very successful in this matter. Credible (that is, time-tested), our seers, such as Abel, prophesied of three fierce yokes, the last of which will soon fall, a hundred years old which is already on the threshold, in general, there was no talk of slanting. I won’t argue about the death of a Russian village, but she died back in 17, and finally finished off with a crush, it’s another matter whether it is worth reviving, because this is an anachronism, it’s necessary to build starships and not flaunt her bast shoes. Normal agricultural enterprises, with the task of feeding the population perfectly cope.
  28. aud13
    aud13 1 February 2014 20: 46
    +1
    To paraphrase a famous proverb, you can probably say:
    - If you want peace, populate and equip your territory with YOUR citizens.
    The situation in the world is capable of instantly changing. Did anyone seriously think six months ago about what events would arise in Ukraine?
    In the same way, today there may be few who perceive China’s claims to the Far East.
    But tomorrow will come and if Russia does not prepare the basis for the settlement and development of the Far East, will it not turn out that as a result of any crisis, our positions in the world will again weaken, and there will always be many who want to push us with China.
    1. real
      real 1 February 2014 23: 18
      -1
      For once, the efforts of the Way created the Russia-China alliance, India, I think, behind the scenes also in the alliance, Latin America ... Europe, Japan, the Korean Republic, too, I think, would not mind joining the alliance, but even intentions cannot yet be voiced ( for the time being, the financial and military power of the universal people is great) ... And the universal people are sleeping and seeing pushing Russia with China with guaranteed mutual destruction! Is it really not clear ??? Now wars are already going on in all (economic, financial, trade, resource, pipeline, ideological, de
      animated, terrorist, orange, informational, cybernetic, spyware
      e and others) not between countries, but between elite alliances .... And the presence of nuclear weapons among the club countries is a guarantee of its non-use and exclusion of any major non-nuclear war .... A major war, such as a world war, WILL NOT be living in conditions no one wants a nuclear winter, especially who has nowhere to put money and power!
    2. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 2 February 2014 08: 13
      +1
      I want to add to build houses to plant trees (poplar m) and hold a mace in your hands! These comrades cannot be trusted! am
  29. real
    real 1 February 2014 22: 46
    -1
    I’ve been watching the forum for half a year. What a conclusion ... begs! On the forum there are 15-20 people who are adequately thinking ... Basically, commentators are driven by banal envy, hatred of everyone and everything (otherwise the meaning of life will disappear), dissatisfaction with personal life and life achievements (personal), bitterness, anger, habit of turning arrows, unreasonable arrogance, hatred-cheers-hurray-patriotism, racial and confessional dislike (as an excuse for their own failure). They collect all the stars there, like, for wise thoughts. It's like in the initial classes -sea battle! The most sad and terrible thing is that both critics of the Putin regime and supporters of his policy are dancing in unison to the tune of an enemy of information propaganda !!! Gentlemen, fellow citizens! Enemies beat you as they want on the fronts of information wars! Although you consider yourself heroes of the keyboard and mouse! They set you against each other until you kill each other at a face-to-face meeting. And smart guys will try to organize a face-to-face meeting (as in Ukraine). I came to the conclusion that neither Putin, nor Nabal, nor God, nor Satan will help until you learn not only how to repeat other people's slogans like parrots, but to analyze the surrounding phenomena, events, draw your conclusions based on the analysis of historical parallels, the opinions of old wise people, assessments of the modern world order, deep human psychology, etc. I understand that this is stressful ...
  30. intsurfer
    intsurfer 2 February 2014 08: 34
    0
    Quote: dr.star75
    What prevents us from giving birth?
    when they were young, there was no money. They bought the pot for the child with the last money before the salary, which was already delayed for 2 months. And now in the fifth ten it’s somehow too late ...
  31. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 2 February 2014 11: 26
    0
    Quote: Puffed
    According to the predictions of the saints, there will be a war with China. 11 million Chinese soldiers and 4 million Russian soldiers will die. The Chinese will capture everything, up to the Urals. The West will first push China to war, and then it will be frightened and will help Russia. The USA will also help Russia. It is necessary to pray that this prophecy is not fulfilled. And here all the villages are dying out, but dwarfs in power are stealing uncontrollably. Yes, and we all scotched something ..... There is no love for each other.

    Too shy to ask who predicted such a prediction? USA will help! What nonsense! And where are the exact numbers from the victims! We are Russian and God is with us! here I agree. (PRAYING ON PRAY) But even the Chinese are not fools to listen to the West, and to expose their country to a thermonuclear strike!
  32. Crang
    Crang 2 February 2014 16: 27
    0
    And so, we played out in wolf capitalism. Soon we’ll go to China. Russian-Chinese national idea to comprehend.
  33. Evkur
    Evkur 3 February 2014 01: 07
    0
    It is necessary not to presume but to dispose! Mathematics is a science of science for everyone! My opinion is quarreling with China, it's like death! The official army (including reservists, which can be put under arms from 2 to 5 days) exceeds 200 !!! Think about two hundred million soldiers !!! Think twice if you kill 000 million soldiers every day !!!! Almost a year is needed !!!! Our entire state with all the inhabitants is 1 one hundred term of millions and the army including reservists is a little more than 140 million !!!! Think about it !! We are not going to kill them with atomic weapons on our own territory, we are not kamikaze! Yes, and half the world will condemn us and our politicians in the pants !!! So what a dead world with the Chinese than a conflict !!!
    1. Crang
      Crang 3 February 2014 20: 46
      0
      Quote: Evkur
      We’ll not start killing them with atomic weapons on our own territory!

      Let's get it. If they are the first to attack. Just in order to survive and save the state. There is no alternative in this case. As well as being afraid of the tantrums of the Western press in this regard. Absurdity is utter.
  34. nikcris
    nikcris 3 February 2014 14: 43
    0
    Quote: Evkur
    It is necessary not to presume but to dispose! Mathematics is a science of science for everyone! My opinion is quarreling with China, it's like death! The official army (including reservists, which can be put under arms from 2 to 5 days) exceeds 200 !!! Think about two hundred million soldiers !!! Think twice if you kill 000 million soldiers every day !!!! Almost a year is needed !!!! Our entire state with all the inhabitants is 1 one hundred term of millions and the army including reservists is a little more than 140 million !!!! Think about it !! We are not going to kill them with atomic weapons on our own territory, we are not kamikaze! Yes, and half the world will condemn us and our politicians in the pants !!! So what a dead world with the Chinese than a conflict !!!

    200 is not two hundred million. Well, if 000, then, finally, the costs of the Strategic Missile Forces will be justified.
    1. Evkur
      Evkur 4 February 2014 01: 01
      0
      Erratum 200 !!! The Strategic Missile Forces will not help because they are piece goods and I am sure the United States and China knows where they are deployed in order to deliver a leading strike! If you use the same weapons then these territories will be unsuitable for life for at least a couple of hundred years or even more.
  35. Aleksandr2
    Aleksandr2 4 February 2014 09: 52
    0
    Orthodoxy must be trusted.