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Technopark of the 21st Century: North-West Regional Center of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern

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The country's leadership has set before the enterprises of the military-industrial complex a large-scale task to rearm the army and fleet. In the period until 2020, it is planned to significantly increase the production of anti-aircraft missile systems and radar systems: for individual samples - 10 times or more. The fulfillment of this task is possible only on the basis of a new, more effective organization of interaction between defense industry enterprises, which involves a significant increase in existing production capacities, their modernization and rational integration, including territorial integration.


In this regard, the Concern Air Defense "Almaz-Antey" has developed a program for the creation of industrial design parks. In accordance with it, in 2008, Almaz-Antey embarked on the implementation of the North-West Regional Center (SZRC), which has no analogues in our country, to form and develop a production and technological complex in St. Petersburg. The center aims to unite five leading enterprises - the Obukhov Plant, on the territory of which the SZRTS is being created, the Radio Engineering Equipment Plant, the Design Bureau of Special Engineering, the Russian Institute of Radio Navigation and Time, the All-Russian Research Institute of Radio Equipment - in the interests of developing and modernizing modern air defense systems.

It is planned to complete the organization of the North-West Regional Center before 2015.

Technopark of the 21st Century: North-West Regional Center of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern


There are investments in the amount of 19 billion rubles, which will be spent on the reconstruction of part of the existing production buildings of the Obukhov plant, equipping them with modern technological and engineering equipment, as well as the construction of new buildings and structures to accommodate research and development units.



The state Obukhov plant conducts its history with 1863 years.



Setting up the phased array (phased antenna array)



A stable state defense order ensures rhythm of production.



These technological operations require special skills from employees.



The quality of the final products is controlled by military acceptance.



The transfer of production to the reconstructed areas is carried out without reducing the rate of production of marketable products and will allow to ensure the unconditional implementation of all contractual obligations, primarily under the defense order.



The share of modern equipment to 2015 year will increase to 68%.



The total costs of SZRTS enterprises for the purchase of equipment will be in the period 2011-2015. about 12 billion rubles.







According to the organization’s adopted scheme, SZRC plants will be able to organize their production activities in the form of such technological chains, which exclude the duplication of functions of enterprises that currently exist.



The integration will allow to increase the utilization rate of production areas up to 70-80 percent and reduce the labor intensity of the products in 1,6 times.



The conditions for the introduction of innovations, the release of new modern models of technology.



The use of modern technologies allowed creating high-paying jobs, attracting qualified specialists.



The structure and logistics of the reconstructed production facilities makes it possible to significantly reduce the cost of interdepartmental and interoperative movement and thereby shorten the manufacturing cycle of products with specified quality and reliability indicators.





On the territory of SZRTS created all the necessary types of production for five enterprises.



The implementation of the project for the integration of SZRTS enterprises will allow 2015 to increase the total volume of production in 2,3 times as compared to 2010, reducing the total overhead costs.



The implementation of the project for the integration of SZRTS enterprises will allow 2015 to increase the total volume of production in 2,3 times as compared to 2010, reducing the total overhead costs.



Modern air defense systems - the basis of the created system of aerospace defense of Russia



Concern air defense "Almaz-Antey" on the basis of production activities in 2012, took 14-th place in the list of 100 largest companies in the world military-industrial complex.







High defense technologies - on guard of the peaceful sky.



Anti-aircraft guided missiles in the TPK.



The Air Defense Concern finished 2012 the year with an indicator of revenue from sales of military products in 5 billion 754,3 million dollars. The results of 2013 of the year promise to be even more impressive.



Special attention in the project of creation of SZRTS is paid to energy efficiency issues.



The experience gained during the creation of SRFCs can be used not only in the electronic complex, but also in other sectors of the country's defense industry.

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  1. Professor
    Professor 1 February 2014 09: 12
    -15 qualifying.
    Amazed by the amount of bourgeois equipment. The urapatriots smoke nervously on the sidelines.
    1. bracket
      bracket 1 February 2014 09: 19
      23
      Is everything Israeli in you in Israel?
    2. jjj
      jjj 1 February 2014 09: 20
      19
      Only the bourgeois cannot make such missile systems. As they say, from the same torment, but not those pens
      1. Professor
        Professor 1 February 2014 09: 28
        -14 qualifying.
        Quote: jjj
        Only the bourgeois cannot make such missile systems. As they say, from the same torment, but not those pens

        I have to upset you. The bourgeois also create air defense and missile defense systems and they "are in no way inferior to the best world analogues." wink Given their superiority in the air, they do not build air defense systems in religion. Another thing with missile defense. Everything is in order there with over-the-horizon detection and interceptors.
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 1 February 2014 10: 11
          20
          Quote: Professor
          Given their superiority in the air, they do not raise air defense systems as a religion

          Of course, their own meaning of life is to treacherously attack, destroy and rob! And we are peaceful people, but our armored train is on the siding!
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        3. Ladoga
          Ladoga 1 February 2014 11: 01
          +1
          Are you talking about the so-called ,, iron dome ,,?
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 February 2014 14: 31
            -6
            Quote: Ladoga
            Are you talking about the so-called ,, iron dome ,,?

            And about him too. By the way, it worked perfectly again tonight:
            Missile attack on Eilat: Iron Dome missile defense system triggered
        4. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 1 February 2014 12: 29
          14
          Quote: Professor
          Given their superiority in the air, they do not build air defense systems in religion.


          Doubtful very superiority. It’s a pity there is no real example of how a rocket for 10 million rubles kills a plane for 100 million dollars. Although there is indirect evidence - the howl of Israeli politicians about the offensive nature of the air defense that will be delivered to Iran.
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        6. Saburov
          Saburov 1 February 2014 12: 32
          +8
          Well, who told you this, bourgeois? Their analogues are in no way inferior, they can only be compared with Western models, they didn’t even lie next to ours, neither your iron domes, nor patriots, the superiority in the air of the West, just determined the technological breakthrough of the USSR in the field of air defense and missile defense (if you don’t it’s known that the missile defense system in the USSR has already been operational since the 60 years!) so that all this superiority is leveled out by good air defense systems more than one pilot, in common sense, even the environment covered by electronic warfare will not go closer to our air defense systems, especially if Russian specialists are at the console! I remember the experience of World War II, when American pilots dropped bombs before reaching the target of the order of 150-250 km, because the German anti-aircraft gunners had excellent training and simply crushed the Allied aircraft, so flights and raids on Wehrmacht anti-aircraft guns were nicknamed by US pilots with a one-way ticket end.
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 February 2014 14: 34
            -7
            Quote: Saburov
            Well, who told you this, bourgeois?

            It was your president and defense minister who told me how they are straining about the American missile defense. Why's that? After all, its own has no analogues in the world. wink

            Quote: Saburov
            I remember the experience of World War II, when American pilots dropped bombs before reaching the target of about 150-250 km

            Personally "remember" or OBS? laughing
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 1 February 2014 19: 51
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              It was your president and defense minister who told me how they are straining about the American missile defense. Why's that? After all, its own has no analogues in the world.


              They are straining not because the American missile defense system is "better", but because of the threat to our nuclear weapons.
              1. Professor
                Professor 1 February 2014 19: 56
                -5
                Quote: supertiger21
                They are straining not because the American missile defense system is "better", but because of the threat to our nuclear weapons.

                Rhetorical question. Why don't Americans strain on the presence of air defense and missile defense in Russia? Does it pose a threat to African nuclear weapons? wink
                1. fedorovith
                  fedorovith 1 February 2014 21: 30
                  +4
                  They will obviously strain the placement of such systems closer to their territory.
                2. i.xxx-1971
                  i.xxx-1971 2 February 2014 22: 16
                  +3
                  Because they are sure that we will not attack first. They cherish and cherish this dubious honor.
                3. i.xxx-1971
                  i.xxx-1971 2 February 2014 22: 16
                  0
                  Because they are sure that we will not attack first. They cherish and cherish this dubious honor.
        7. edeligor
          edeligor 1 February 2014 13: 13
          +6
          Quote: Professor
          Given their superiority in the air, they do not build air defense systems in religion.

          How jackals will gather in a flock in the country of the "outcast" and tear to pieces, bringing with them crap values. Hence their superiority and not only in the air!
        8. just exp
          just exp 1 February 2014 14: 42
          +4
          their missile defense just works, such as in greenhouse conditions and only for light purposes and for the most part unsuccessfully.
        9. Shur
          Shur 1 February 2014 21: 28
          0
          If only I would have pleased ..
        10. nemec55
          nemec55 9 February 2014 11: 15
          0
          Apollon, take you, proffessor. Schaub tebe had an eternal ban at night.
      2. olegff68
        olegff68 1 February 2014 14: 54
        0
        That's just confusing this Chubais expression - "revenue"
        The Air Defense Concern ended 2012 with a revenue of 5 billion 754,3 million dollars from sales of military products.

        And how does this "revenue" differ from profit.
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 1 February 2014 20: 39
          0
          Quote: olegff68
          And how does this "revenue" differ from profit.

          Profit is revenue minus production costs (costs)
          1. olegff68
            olegff68 2 February 2014 23: 15
            0
            Quote: Onyx
            Quote: olegff68
            And how does this "revenue" differ from profit.

            Profit is revenue minus production costs (costs)

            That and that, that often these costs exceed profit and then it’s convenient to say - revenue.
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      1. Professor
        Professor 1 February 2014 09: 33
        -4
        Quote: Bronis
        In any case, better bourgeois machines than their own Iveks with a screwdriver,

        It is true, as well as the truth, that the USSR purchased machine tools for the military-industrial complex from its potential opponents. For example, a Japanese press was purchased in the ChSZ corps workshop for the production of aircraft carriers. The Japanese installed it at the Ocean plant because they did not want to let them in at ChSZ. After their departure, the machine was picked up and transported to ChSZ. True, he did not work there for a long time, so they did not buy equipment from the Japanese, they decided that they would do it themselves, but ...
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 1 February 2014 12: 30
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          True, he did not work there for a long time, so they did not buy equipment from the Japanese, they decided that they would do it themselves, but ...


          As always, say half the truth, it’s understandable.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 1 February 2014 13: 29
            +7
            Quote: Geisenberg
            As always, say half the truth, it’s understandable.


            I recently had a dialogue on one of the branches with one of the forum’s regular users about missiles for the Buk air defense missile systems and the Shtil air defense system, and so he sent a letter to the PM (sorry I didn’t save the box) - literally the following-
            "You have not been to St. Petersburg yet, you would be surprised, we are slowly REBORNING ..
            In general, we can say that the task will actually be set in connection with new discoveries and the emergence of developments in technologies, the creation of aerospace defense facilities on new physical principles is already in the near future 10-15 years. Shock weapons (military hardware) will become the cause of "childish surprise" for professors in the coming years. This is not jingoistic patriotism, but a real state of affairs. Sometimes only Rogozin and the military expert of the Kremlin pool Korotchenko are allowed to talk about this.
          2. Professor
            Professor 1 February 2014 14: 30
            0
            Quote: Geisenberg
            As always, say half the truth, it’s understandable.

            What did it stand on? Would you like to tell the truth? It is understandable ....
    4. Justme
      Justme 1 February 2014 09: 35
      16
      Machine-tool engineering has survived in relatively good shape only in Belarus .. I looked at some of their products - they hung modern electronics on the classic "hardware" - it looks good.
      Our machine-tool industry, as far as I understand, was in the first line of destruction in the process of "privatization"
    5. SPACE
      SPACE 1 February 2014 10: 03
      14
      Quote: Professor
      Amazed by the amount of bourgeois equipment. Urapatriots smoke nervously on the sidelines

      laughing That's the salt, under Stalin, too, a lot of equipment was purchased abroad, including and Germany ...
      Comrade Lenin said correctly: "The capitalists themselves will sell the rope on which we will hang them."
      The article is a good one, another nail in the ass to all-companions, those who drive the blizzard that in Russia there are no manufactures, high technologies, neither what is developed and not produced. All according to plan... good
      1. Professor
        Professor 1 February 2014 10: 11
        -4
        Quote: SPACE
        That's the salt, under Stalin, too, a lot of equipment was purchased abroad, including and Germany.

        Under Stalin, arms purchases were not disdained, but the current urapatriots are the most urapatriots in the world. laughing
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 1 February 2014 10: 26
          +2
          So now what? Who is building the Mistals? And who are the drones? After all, we don’t need much, just a little, well, Schaub cut the path short and learn how to do even better and more correctly! laughing
        2. Ladoga
          Ladoga 1 February 2014 10: 59
          +4
          We understand, we understand, your feelings are hurt ... Well, nothing ... brace yourself.
        3. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 1 February 2014 11: 27
          +6
          The Western powers at all times tried to weaken Russia in all spheres, and it does not matter under what political system, under the tsar, or during the USSR.
          Using the venality of individuals, they managed to bury the Russian machine tool industry.
          The family has its black sheep, and in any country there are always such.
          So the use of imported machines for the production of weapons and military equipment in Russia is a kind of compensation for the damage caused.
          The main thing is those design developments and bringing them to mass production of such weapons and military equipment that are often ahead in practice of the most modern models of foreign armies and which they are literally afraid of.
          The design school in Russia originates from the old times, the times of gunsmiths of loners and blacksmiths, who were always in Russia one of the most respected people in society.
          Russian weapons are always simple, reliable and efficient. That has been repeatedly proven in practice.
          And what tools our gunsmiths use for this is a secondary issue, the main thing is that they will need to get everything they need.
          And this, too, has been repeatedly proved in practice.

        4. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 1 February 2014 12: 32
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: SPACE
          That's the salt, under Stalin, too, a lot of equipment was purchased abroad, including and Germany.

          Under Stalin, arms purchases were not disdained, but the current urapatriots are the most urapatriots in the world. laughing


          And what is mowing to that? Buying the best if you don’t have your own is the right way out. Something I don’t remember right now what was bought with what should be disdained. Do not enlighten?
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 February 2014 14: 37
            0
            Quote: Geisenberg
            And what is mowing to that? Buying the best if you don’t have your own is quite the right way out

            IMHO in nothing. It is necessary to equip your army with the best, your own or imported third business.
            1. Astral
              Astral 1 February 2014 18: 39
              0
              Really buy them or yours. Especially after the incident with your drones that have bookmarks and fly themselves to where they don’t ask.
              Better we ourselves will buy our own for you.
              And your "iron purchase" can only bring down the technology rockets of the 70s. Moreover, he knocks down one missile with several of his own. That stand like gold.
              And it has already been proven that this dome is not profitable.
              Your government is now afraid to put an extra set so that the country does not ruin.
              Usually an anti-aircraft missile is cheaper than a target, but you have the opposite.
              What to say the Jews.
              1. Professor
                Professor 1 February 2014 19: 35
                -1
                Quote: Astral
                Really buy them or yours. Especially after the incident with your drones that have bookmarks and fly themselves to where they don’t ask.


                Cool story. good
                1. Astral
                  Astral 1 February 2014 19: 49
                  +1
                  And you rummage through pulp fiction and are terrified what a cool story it is with a real end.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 1 February 2014 19: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Astral
                    And you rummage through pulp fiction and be terrified what a bad story this is with a real end.

                    Young man, do not poke strangers to adults. Didn't mom and dad teach you this?
                    On the topic that is, what is smart to say? wassat
                    1. Astral
                      Astral 1 February 2014 19: 57
                      0
                      Dear old man. You maraz. I wanted to say what I wanted. So you can continue to boil, at your pleasure. Just do not burst.))
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 1 February 2014 20: 12
                        -2
                        Quote: Astral
                        Dear old man. You maraz. I wanted to say what I wanted. So you can continue to boil, at your pleasure. Just do not burst.))

                        The courtesy lesson was good. Returned to "you".

                        And so to your pearls:
                        And your "iron purchase" can only bring down the technology rockets of the 70s. Moreover, he knocks down one missile with several of his own. That stand like gold.

                        - bullshit. LCD shoots all missiles with a range of 4-70 km, regardless of the year of their production. One interceptor is used to intercept a rocket. Today's will accept that. An interceptor costs several thousand American rubles. Your cheap gold however.

                        And it has already been proven that this dome is not profitable .-

                        rave. LCD defended a power station in southern Israel. Is it profitable?

                        Your government is now afraid to put an extra set so that the country does not ruin.

                        - OBS?

                        Usually an anti-aircraft missile is cheaper than a target, but you have the opposite.

                        - LCD is not designed to intercept aircraft, but only missiles. So there is no need to talk about "usually". The vaunted S-300 rocket costs about a million dollars, Aegis about 10 million.

                        Teach materiel.And stop trolling.
                      2. Astral
                        Astral 1 February 2014 20: 16
                        +1
                        I said, rummage through fiction and update your knowledge))).
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 1 February 2014 20: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Astral
                        I said, rummage through fiction and update your knowledge))).

                        This is not the answer of the boy, but of the husband. fool
                        Everything's clear with you. I won’t feed you anymore.
    6. supertiger21
      supertiger21 1 February 2014 19: 55
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Under Stalin, arms purchases were not disdained, but the current urapatriots are the most urapatriots in the world.


      "Urapatriots" have not yet been seen. And you want to forbid us to be proud of our technology? Nobody calls the Israelis "urapatriots" when they praise their army (or even overpraise).
      1. Professor
        Professor 1 February 2014 19: 58
        +3
        Quote: supertiger21
        "Urapatriots" have not yet been seen. And you want to forbid us to be proud of our technology? Nobody calls the Israelis "urapatriots" when they praise their army (or even overpraise).

        Urapatrioty are universal. Israeli are no different from Russian and Moldavian.
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 1 February 2014 11: 54
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Amazed by the amount of bourgeois equipment. The urapatriots smoke nervously on the sidelines.

    In Russia there will be a new, modern, machine-tool plant created using bourgeois equipment, possibly built by the bourgeois, everything is repeated.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 1 February 2014 12: 25
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Amazed by the amount of bourgeois equipment. The urapatriots smoke nervously on the sidelines.


    Let them smoke, they have the very place there - on a leak.

    And what exactly struck? What did you buy, or what is used, or what is being built on this equipment that the seller will then give in the face ??
  • Michael_59
    Michael_59 1 February 2014 15: 04
    0
    Well, who did this?
  • supertiger21
    supertiger21 1 February 2014 19: 48
    +3
    Does Israel have something similar? Nothing personal, but envy in silence.
    1. Professor
      Professor 1 February 2014 19: 53
      -1
      Quote: supertiger21
      Does Israel have something similar? Nothing personal, but envy in silence.

      Of course not. In Israel, everything is done with a file and a sledgehammer. bully
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 1 February 2014 20: 54
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Amazed by the amount of bourgeois equipment. The urapatriots smoke nervously on the sidelines.

    Machine tools of JSC "StankoGomel" work at the bourgeois factories: "Lockheed Martin", "Ford", "Daimler", etc.
    1. Professor
      Professor 1 February 2014 21: 01
      0
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      Machine tools of JSC "StankoGomel" work at the bourgeois factories: "Lockheed Martin", "Ford", "Daimler", etc.

      Our machines operate at Ford, Daimler-Chrysler, Lockheed, Rexroht factories, Transmashholding (RF) factories, automotive enterprises, and the military-industrial complex.
      And why then the question is Russian air defense systems are doing not on Belarusian, but on bourgeois machines?
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 2 February 2014 14: 28
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        And why then the question is Russian air defense systems are doing not on Belarusian, but on bourgeois machines?

        Well, why they don’t do it, they do it on Belarusian machines. No country in the world does not produce the entire line of machine tools with the exception of Israel.
        1. Professor
          Professor 2 February 2014 16: 51
          0
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          No country in the world does not produce the entire line of machine tools with the exception of Israel.

          Quote: saturn.mmm
          No country in the world does not produce the entire line of machine tools with the exception of Israel.

          Israel nervously smokes on the sidelines, but IHMO USA, Germany, Switzerland and Japan produce the entire line of machine tools.
  • Shur
    Shur 1 February 2014 21: 23
    +2
    Machine-tool industry is backward. So what? What does the patriots have to do with it? Just we wish the development of national machine tool building, but as you can see, market reforms did not help in this.
  • askarlad
    askarlad 1 February 2014 21: 47
    +1
    This is power! As they say a bad dancer always .... interfere. But here there is one, but not so they took the bourgeois. There is a result, no one has yet left his line at the C 300!
  • avt
    avt 1 February 2014 10: 06
    +3
    Quote: JustMe
    Our machine-tool industry, as far as I understand, was in the first line of destruction in the process of "privatization"

    And they attacked him from two sides. Having privatized, they stupidly strangled production, dispersed the workers and immediately, well, as if they were waiting, a joint venture drew up and began to buy up machinery for scrap metal. I saw this in Moscow, the offices with "Swedish" participation were very marked by this. It was then that the Baltics rose as a supplier of metal from non-ferrous to black, but in Moscow, instead of machine-tool factories, there are now all kinds of marketplaces.
  • Yaroslav
    Yaroslav 1 February 2014 10: 19
    +4
    The good news is ++++, even though Einstein is false.
  • MolGro
    MolGro 1 February 2014 10: 32
    +5
    I'm happy with the development of diamond)
    The fact that they recreated the 53T6 rocket and upgraded it!
    I think that the c500 will be made on the basis of 53T6 or partially on 55t6.
    s500

    2010 - according to the annual report of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern, as part of the work on the creation of the A-235 / RTC-181M missile defense system, a set of works is being carried out to restore production for the manufacture of 53T6 rocket engines (5S73 products).
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 1 February 2014 12: 19
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    Amazed by the amount of bourgeois equipment. The urapatriots smoke nervously on the sidelines.
    With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool ...
  • Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 1 February 2014 12: 59
    +6
    And the professor on such articles to start forum users is always happy, although sometimes he injects wise thoughts.
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 1 February 2014 13: 38
      +6
      Quote: Kolyan 2
      And the professor on such articles to start forum users is always happy, although sometimes he injects wise thoughts.

      I agree. I noticed that among our members of the forum from the homeland of Christ, in many comments he skitteth outright Russophobia.
      1. Professor
        Professor 1 February 2014 14: 40
        0
        Quote: edeligor
        I agree. I noticed that among our members of the forum from the homeland of Christ, in many comments he skitteth outright Russophobia.

        And where in my words is Russophobia? In the fact that I noticed that the S-400 is manufactured on bourgeois equipment? By the way, do you know how long these machines will work if their manufacturers suspend their after-sales service? what
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 1 February 2014 14: 47
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          By the way, do you know how long these machines will work if their manufacturers suspend their after-sales service?

          The need for inventions is cunning. (Russian proverb)
          They will work as long as necessary, there will be bright heads and skillful hands that will be able to maintain them in working condition.
          And they didn’t support it, and it was proved more than once in practice.
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 February 2014 14: 55
            +2
            Quote: wanderer_032
            They will work as long as necessary, there will be bright heads and skillful hands that will be able to maintain them in working condition.

            You are completely off topic. Where are these bright heads and why didn’t they yourself make a five-axis CNC machine with micron precision? There, one spindle will go into another world and this machine will stand as a white elephant. sad

            Quote: wanderer_032
            And they didn’t support it, and it was proved more than once in practice.

            50 years ago when the technological gap was not like that.
            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 1 February 2014 15: 01
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              Where are these bright heads and why didn’t they yourself make a five-axis CNC machine with micron precision?

              And why should you strain your brain when importers of any equipment are standing in line to you and sleep and see how their machines work in our factories (profitable contracts and all that).
              The global crisis is not aunt, as well as hunger because it makes everyone move.
              While imported machines plow, and there you look and your own will appear. wink
              1. Professor
                Professor 1 February 2014 15: 07
                +2
                Quote: wanderer_032
                And why should you strain your brain when importers of any equipment are standing in line to you and sleep and see how their machines work in our factories (profitable contracts and all that).

                Great philosophy. So you can justify everything. Like "Why strain your brain in vain when importers of all equipment / weapons / food products ... stand in line for you."

                Quote: wanderer_032
                While imported machines plow, and there you look and your own will appear.

                While the competition in the polytechnic will be lower than in office plankton, they will not appear. hi
                1. wanderer_032
                  wanderer_032 1 February 2014 15: 28
                  +3
                  This is a stupid stereotype that all Russian youth only dream of running errands in the office or selling mobile phones in salons, having a university degree in Horns and Hooves.
                  Look at least take our polytechnic, it is full of students in technical specialties for the most part.
                  Do not believe the stereotypes, and it’s not so far to get to the point that all Russian people will imagine that they all work in the offices, and in the evenings after hard working days with bears in their arms, drunken sniff in the cold.
                  But I don’t think that in Israel all men walk with a beard and pace in hats with a volume of Torah in their hands.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 1 February 2014 15: 54
                    0
                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    This is a stupid stereotype that all Russian youth only dream of running errands in the office or selling mobile phones in salons, having a university degree in Horns and Hooves.

                    Stereotype? what competition for a place in your polytechnic for mechanics? And on the economic? And in legal? That and that.

                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    But I don’t think that in Israel all men walk with a beard and pace in hats with a volume of Torah in their hands.

                    In Israel, entering the Institute of Technology at the Faculty of Electronics is much harder than economics or jurisprudence.
                    1. Prapor-527
                      Prapor-527 1 February 2014 16: 22
                      +5
                      In Israel, entering the Institute of Technology at the Faculty of Electronics is much harder than economics or jurisprudence.Why go somewhere? All Jews are lawyers and economists from birth. hi
                    2. wanderer_032
                      wanderer_032 1 February 2014 18: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      what competition for a place in your polytechnic for mechanics?

                      There are no such faculties in the Polytechnic University, mid-level specialists teach it to mechanics in technical schools (colleges), and higher engineers train them at the Polytechnic.
                      1. wanderer_032
                        wanderer_032 1 February 2014 18: 47
                        +2
                        I want to add that an engineer is not so much a profession, but more a vocation in life and it is better for such guys to study there.
                        I have many friends who studied at the Polytechnic and everyone in the country left, now they are working very successfully.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 1 February 2014 19: 32
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                        Quote: wanderer_032
                        There are no such faculties in the Polytechnic University, mid-level specialists teach it to mechanics in technical schools (colleges), and higher engineers train them at the Polytechnic.

                        Take, for example, the "native" Omsk Polytechnic University, now the Omsk State Technical University includes seven faculties:
                        Faculty of Information Technology and Computer Systems (FITiKS) former Faculty of Automation - techies, though not mechanics ...
                        Faculty of Transport, Oil and Gas (FTNG) former Aerospace - again, techies, mechanics ...
                        Faculty of Radio Engineering (RTF) - techies
                        Faculty of Elite Education and Magistracy (FEOiM) - vampires, polytechnic or not polytechnic
                        Faculty of Economics and Management (PMT) - managers went
                        Faculty of Humanities Education (CSF) - pedin is resting
                        Faculty of Pre-University Training (FDP) - completing the fact that the native school did not finish

                        So, of the seven faculties of techies are preparing only 3!
                      3. wanderer_032
                        wanderer_032 2 February 2014 18: 03
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                        But in these three faculties, students are recruited mainly and taught, and all other faculties are of secondary importance.
                        It’s just that the university is hitting extra money and it’s also possible to understand, now everything costs a lot to contain.
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                  3. atalef
                    atalef 2 February 2014 16: 12
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                    Quote: Professor
                    In Israel, entering the Institute of Technology at the Faculty of Electronics is much harder than economics or law

                    In complexity, comes first
                    Electrician
                    Mechanic
                    Aeronautics and related
                    Computer
                    well and further
                    Even in the Technion there is a medical faculty, the same one of the most difficult. Yes, and study for 7 years
  • Justme
    Justme 1 February 2014 14: 27
    +9
    As for imported equipment, the situation is serious.
    Little story. Somewhere in the year 2005-2006, I tested at the Kolomna Machine-Building Plant our system of electro-assisted turbocharging diesel engines.
    At this time, men from KMZ participated in comparative trials.
    The fact is that General Electric decided to sell their diesel locomotives from us. In fact, they "bought" VNIIZhT to advance this task ... and the Ministry of Railways demanded comparative tests of the "American" with our diesel locomotives. KMZ took our diesel locomotive and "poured" something into it from military equipment ..
    And so, circle-by-circle tests pass and our diesel locomotive "beats" the "American" ..
    One of the important points of this success was that "our" was better attuned to the challenge of testing.

    And as it turned out, GE also watched the tests, they realized this and decided .. to "reflash" the control program of their diesel locomotive .. through a covert satellite communication channel .. But here this very connection failed .. "Brains" were erased, and new ones were not installed ... The locomotive got up on these tests in a raskoryachku .. And the story surfaced ..

    As for imported precision equipment, they begin to "anchor" it to GPS.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 1 February 2014 14: 56
      +3
      Quote: JustMe
      As for imported precision equipment, they begin to "anchor" it to GPS.

      For every tricky ass ...
      What we do not have specialists in IT and communications who understand how to ... all the cunning bugs from the manufacturer or what?
      They need to be afraid and pray that ours will not find these secret trinkets and through the same GPS they will not drive a thread of virus to the factory that they will bury their entire factory, then we'll see how they get it, hehe ... laughing laughing wassat
      1. try
        try 1 February 2014 20: 52
        +2
        Apparently you are not aware that it is almost impossible to detect a bookmark until the moment of its beginning.
        and about viruses, so while we did not create and use stuxnet, but it's a pity
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 2 February 2014 18: 15
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          And to hell with them with these viruses.
          Well, the Yankees will come to us to fight, or whoever else has gathered there, their country will give them everything necessary for war, and this will be in the hands of our fighters, including grub.
          Nobody has canceled partisans.
          NATO warriors rely on the technical superiority of their army, but this will not help them much.
          Our motto: Use what is at hand and do not look for another.
          But they don’t have such a motto, that’s why they hollowed them everywhere, and they will hammer further.
          These people have a different mentality and they grew up in completely different conditions, many practically in greenhouses. Many from the EU and the USA have never lived in such a need as many of our people live, certainly without hot water in the house.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 February 2014 14: 58
    +3
    Yes, it is clear, it is clear that Russia is reborn, and Russian self-awareness too. Take the same scandalous poll of Rain about Leningrad. Until relatively recently, everyone would seriously discuss this and it is still unknown what conclusions they would have reached. And now the answer was clear and decisive. I hope that the following answer will follow in the form of physical violence from caring citizens. For for such a face and stuff up shamelessly. And in the case of the survey, I did not see one thing unfortunately. The people were never told in a simple and understandable language WHY it was impossible to surrender Leningrad. Moreover, to tell in such a way that one would not sleep a couple of nights, and then in general even thought was not to speculate on such topics. Well, on the topic of the article. I don’t care what kind of machines are. The main thing is that OUR weapons are made on them.
  • Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 1 February 2014 17: 41
    0
    The principles of state capitalism live and win. They need to be spread preferably wider in the economy, but without fanaticism.
  • Michael_59
    Michael_59 1 February 2014 18: 01
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    Quote: wanderer_032
    This is a stupid stereotype that all Russian youth only dream of running errands in the office or selling mobile phones in salons, having a university degree in Horns and Hooves.


    Jews do not think so. He successfully (unfortunately) is being pulled by our young and bright heads.
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  • vair
    vair 1 February 2014 21: 15
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    the best world analogues ".

    And the best world analogues are us !!! So it was, it is, and it will be so. And at the expense of cheers of patriots, you keep your tongue. In Russia, for centuries, they have beaten, and they will beat, all kinds of scum, despite the superiority in technology or manpower, not because they chatted a lot, but because the people have a spirit, the Russian spirit, you don’t understand.
    1. Professor
      Professor 1 February 2014 21: 20
      0
      Quote: vair
      And at the expense of the cheers of the patriots, you guy hold your tongue. In Russia, for centuries, they have beaten, and will beat, all sorts of scum, despite the superiority in technology or manpower, not because they chatted a lot, but because there are the spirit of the people, the Russian spirit, you do not understand

      Here is a typical example of a urapatriot. good
    2. Justme
      Justme 1 February 2014 22: 17
      +3
      In fact, Professor - really needed on this forum to maintain a sober and critical outlook on life and the problems discussed ..

      Well, he pours ice water from his "tub .."
      This can be tolerated.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 1 February 2014 23: 50
    0
    Amazed by the amount of bourgeois equipment. The urapatriots smoke nervously on the sidelines.

    Well yes! Why not use the finished, instead of pumping money into development and production. But time passes and everything will fall into place. After all, America does not rattle using Russian engines on its missiles, and at the same time, they are so ahead that they are forced to use engines that are already under thirty years old!
    PS - The professor (probably a freebie, still in the Union received) apparently forgets that the whole industry of Israel, almost from scratch was built by immigrants from the USSR, and not the West.
    1. Professor
      Professor 2 February 2014 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: VadimSt
      PS - The professor (probably a freebie, still in the Union received) apparently forgets that the whole industry of Israel, almost from scratch was built by immigrants from the USSR, and not the West.

      Of course for a freebie (forgive the Hebrew word "freebie"). My grandfather and grandmother on the collective farm for work days plowed like serfs, even without having a passport. They paid not only me, but also my grandchildren for education. But when I studied in the West at the university, you will not believe it - as an excellent student, my studies were free, according to yours for free.
      Regarding who built the entire industry in Israel, he generally smiled. When you go to a workshop in Israel, there are machines "Made in the USSR". wassat
      Here is the site of the aerospace department of the Israel Institute of Technology. Nuka find there at least one native of the USSR.

      http://ae-www.technion.ac.il/
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 2 February 2014 11: 45
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        Quote: Professor
        Here is the site of the aerospace department of the Israel Institute of Technology. Nuka find there at least one native of the USSR.

        And who founded your Technion?
        1. Professor
          Professor 2 February 2014 13: 11
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          Quote: saturn.mmm
          And who founded your Technion?

          Immigrants from Germany in 1912. At first, even the teaching was in German.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 2 February 2014 14: 33
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Immigrants from Germany in 1912. At first, even the teaching was in German.

            One of the most prestigious educational institutions in Israel is the Technion in the city of Haifa. Its founders were Shmuel-Yosef Pevzner from Propoisk (Slavgorod) and a native of the Belarusian town of Svisloch Shmarya Levin.
            The drunken Jew Pevzner was also one of the founders of the Haifa Real Gymnasium, the Gazar ha-Karmel quarter in Haifa. In his honor, the Haifa City Library is named "Beit-Pevzner".

            These are immigrants from Germany.
            http://ae-www.technion.ac.il/ Вы эту ссылочку сами внимательно читали?
            1. Professor
              Professor 2 February 2014 15: 57
              +1
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              http://ae-www.technion.ac.il/ Вы эту ссылочку сами внимательно читали?

              History is history. In the year 1901, Berlin the organization "Aid to the Jews of Germany" Ezra was founded. In 1907, its leader Paul Nathan visited Israel and decided to organize a technological educational institution, now the Technion. He organized it. Until February 22, 1914, teaching was carried out on German language, but as a result of the so-called "language war" supporters of Hebrew prevailed and since then teaching has been in Hebrew.
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 2 February 2014 16: 14
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                Quote: Professor
                History, so history. In 1901, Ezra, an organization called Aid to the Jews of Germany, was founded in Berlin.

                http://www.eleven.co.il/article/13168
                http://www.eleven.co.il/article/12380
                1. Professor
                  Professor 2 February 2014 16: 56
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                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  http://www.eleven.co.il/article/13168

                  Pevzner introduced large contribution to the creation of the Technion
                  Well done he is. Who's arguing? That's just the Technion "German" founded, albeit with the "Russian" money of Vysotsky.
                  1. saturn.mmm
                    saturn.mmm 2 February 2014 23: 32
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                    Quote: Professor
                    Pevzner made a great contribution to the creation of the Technion

                    It's good that you at least agreed to the contribution.
                    And what do you say to that?
                    The Jewish University in Jerusalem in 1925 was created by Belarusian Jews Haim Weizman and Avraham Menachem-Mendl Usyshkin.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 3 February 2014 10: 58
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                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      It's good that you at least agreed to the contribution.

                      This is not me, this is from your link.

                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      The Jewish University in Jerusalem in 1925 was created by Belarusian Jews Haim Weizman and Avraham Menachem-Mendl Usyshkin.

                      I will not argue with this Weizmann took an active role with the creation of the university.
                      1. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm 3 February 2014 12: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        This is not me, this is from your link.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Pevzner made a great contribution to the creation of the Technion
                        Well done he. Who is arguing?

                        Apparently I did not understand you.
                        We continue, but what will you say about the Jewish Skorina-Eliezer Bep-Yehuda (Perelman), a native of the town of Luzhki (now the Sharkovshchinsky district of the Vitebsk region).
                        And to the last
                        Together with the future Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, the Declaration of Independence of Israel was signed by members of the Provisional State Council of the country - the Mogilev citizen Eliyahu Msir Berlin, a native of Volkovysk Zerah Vargaftig and Agaron Tsizling from the town of Narochevichi of the Minsk province, a member of the People’s Government of Israel, Pinchman Moshe Kolodny member of the board of the Jewish Agency Minsk resident Eliezer Kaplan, chairman of Vaad Leummi, fellow countryman Alexander G. Lukashenko, a native of the town of Kopys (now the village of Orshansky district) David emez (Moshe David Drabkin) and the head of the repatriation of the Jewish Agency, Moshe Shapira of Grodno.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 3 February 2014 12: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        And to the last

                        We have a strange conversation, however. Russian Jews made an awesome contribution to the education and establishment of Israel. Aliya of the 90s raised the country's economy to an unprecedented level. Nobody argues with this. Nevertheless, it was not they who founded the Technion and in the formation of the Israeli military-industrial complex did not play the first violin.
                      3. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm 3 February 2014 16: 23
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Nevertheless, it was not they who founded the Technion and in the formation of the Israeli military-industrial complex did not play the first violin.

                        Nevertheless, they contributed to the founding of the Technion, more than half less than half who knows it, could possibly do without them, but nevertheless, with their participation, the Technion was founded. Under what conditions did Vysotsky allocate money and who agreed with him?
                        As for the violin, Pevzner and Levin did not play the first violin in the formation of the military-industrial complex, especially since Levin broke away after they determined the language of instruction at the Technion, but there were other Russian people who made a significant contribution to the Israeli military-industrial complex and army.
                        For example: the brothers Gdalyagu, Moshe and Nakhum Vilbushevich (industry), David Raziel (Rosensson), Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir (Jezernitsky), Yosef Paykovich, Eliyahu Golomb (Hagan Museum in Tel Aviv).
                        Probably people like Aharon Remez, Issr Harel are known to you.
                        In order for the nation to become united, it is probably necessary that it confronts the enemy for a long time, as can be clearly seen in the example of the Israeli people, perhaps Israel would not be able to endure all the trials.
  • konvalval
    konvalval 2 February 2014 00: 58
    +1
    Good news.
  • A_fill
    A_fill 2 February 2014 20: 09
    0
    Good factory, I build the same .....
    At this plant, which is being built, S-500 will be produced, Topol is now produced. I look at the photo and it is impossible to imagine that in 2 years everything will be the same at this plant !!!
  • vair
    vair 2 February 2014 21: 58
    0
    Quote: Professor
    By the way, do you know how long these machines will work if their manufacturers suspend their after-sales service? what

    And you do not seem to know that we have brains, there is always a way out.
    1. Professor
      Professor 2 February 2014 22: 06
      0
      Quote: vair
      And you do not seem to know that we have brains, there is always a way out.

      Brains that is, but what's the use of it? Who is able to make spibel with a speed of 120000 per minute? I’m silent about electronics. repeat
  • vair
    vair 2 February 2014 22: 42
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Here is a typical example of a urapatriot.

    You know; professor;, I noticed one pattern, as soon as the good news about our military industrial complex comes out, you are right there, and let's give a shit, giving my reasons. When reading your comments, I suddenly remembered one front story that my father told me: He had a friend at the front whom he considered a friend. He very competently and cleverly talked about the idea of ​​communism, and that fascism is a world evil that should be destroyed. But, in the very first battle, when our soldiers had one a rifle for three, he surrendered to the Germans, and from the company in which his father served there were nine people. The father, he said, was not a hero in the war, he was doing his duty without admitting that it should be different. Yes, maybe I am a patriot, but with a decadent mood, I can’t win the war. I feel that you are an enemy, and how I want to look at your venal eyes, holding you by the throat - I’m sure there will be wild fear.
    1. Professor
      Professor 2 February 2014 23: 00
      +2
      Quote: vair
      You know; professor;, I noticed one pattern, as soon as the good news about our military industrial complex comes out, you are right there, and let's water shit, citing your arguments.

      Do not fantasize. I cannot stand the spirit of the urapatriots of all countries taken together and separately. angry

      Quote: vair
      Reading your comments, I suddenly remembered one front story that my father told me

      The heartbreaking story has nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

      Quote: vair
      Yes, maybe I am a patriot, but with a decadent mood, there’s no way to win the war.

      With little blood, yes in foreign territory. Isn't that how the urapatriots promised to defeat the enemy in 1941? What happened in reality to remind? Urapatriots are more dangerous than those with "decadent moods".

      Quote: vair
      I feel with my gut that you are an enemy, and how I want to look at your venal eyes, holding you by the throat - I'm sure there will be wild fear.

      Amuse yourself with this thought if it makes you feel better. When I fought, I was very afraid and the fear in my eyes was probably wild. But nothing. He was afraid and fought and did not hide behind other people's backs. And just recently, when the rockets exploded, he was also afraid and trembled, but survived. But at the expense of the throat, so this is your pipe dream. wassat
  • atalef
    atalef 2 February 2014 22: 59
    +2
    Quote: vair
    and how I want to look at your venal eyes, holding you by the throat - I'm sure there will be wild fear.

    Well, making such statements, are you not afraid to rake even before your hands reach the professor’s throat?
    Where does such children's self-confidence come from?
  • vair
    vair 2 February 2014 23: 19
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Where does such children's self-confidence come from?

    I saw and experienced a lot, scum every seen enough, and, if possible, crushed.
    The Germans burned my grandmother and aunt in a hut together with a Jewish family for sheltering them, how quickly they forget everything !!!!!!
    Picking ... For God's sake, where and when? On my body there are more wounds than you are years old, one more, one less, does not matter.
    1. Professor
      Professor 3 February 2014 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: vair
      The Germans burned my grandmother and aunt in a hut together with a Jewish family for sheltering them, how quickly they forget everything !!!!!!

      Nothing and nobody is forgotten. In Jerusalem, in Yadvashem, in honor of everyone who saved at least one Jew, a tree (Aley of the Righteous) was planted and their names are "carved in stone." If your story took place, then I recommend not puffing out your cheeks on the forum, but contacting Yadvashem. It is also possible in Russian.
      The righteous of the peoples of the world
  • Marine One
    Marine One 2 February 2014 23: 38
    +1
    Quote: vair
    I feel with my gut that you are an enemy, and how I want to look at your venal eyes, holding you by the throat - I'm sure there will be wild fear.

    Cubanoids are such cubanoids. Nuff said.
  • vair
    vair 3 February 2014 21: 07
    0
    Quote: Marine One
    Cubanoids are such cubanoids. Nuff said.

    Yes, my ancestors are Kuban Cossacks, and I am proud of this, although I do not recognize the current "Tkachev" Cossacks.
    I ask you not to judge strictly, if anyone is hurt, it’s easier in the war, I am a soldier, not a politician, and contrary to the claims of the professor, I appraised the enemy adequately, otherwise I would not have written here.