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Not all summits are equally useful.

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The other day, perhaps the shortest Russia-EU summit has been held in the Belgian capital lately. Several previous summits of this type lasted for two days, often with a very rich "gastronomic" program - common lunches and dinners. This time they decided to keep within one day and in addition to abandon any “gastronomy”. It is a mystery which side has come up with such an initiative, but this is by no means the main topic for the discussion of the past summit. Less time allocated for its conduct allowed, let's say, to consolidate the agenda. True, here, too, you need to immediately make a reservation, since there was no separate agenda. The summit was held in a completely improvised mode and touched on both the interaction of Russia and the EU in a bilateral format and within the WTO, and the situation in Ukraine.


Not all summits are equally useful.


Discussing the economic contacts of the Russian Federation and the European Union, Vladimir Putin noted that, despite the not very favorable circumstances, he continued to increase commodity turnover. According to the Ministry of Economic Development, the trade turnover between Russia and Germany alone is about 100 billion dollars. For Germany, Russia is among the top seven import partners of the products and takes 11's place in exports. 5-6 years ago, the positions were 13-i and 17-i, respectively. The trade turnover between Russia and the Netherlands increased to 82-83 billion dollars by the end of the year. Russia is among the eight largest partners of the Netherlands, ahead of such economies as Japanese, Swedish, Norwegian, Spanish in this regard.

But, despite all the seeming goodness of Russian-European relations, the problems associated with these relations are above the roof. One of the problems is the peculiarity of the so-called Third EU energy package, in which two directives are specifically spelled out: “Electricity Directive 2009 / 72 / EC” and “Gas Directive 2009 / 73 / EC”. These directives were originally associated with a ban on mining and generating companies from owning controlling stakes in companies engaged in the transportation of electricity and gas. Over time, certain amendments were introduced into the directives, however, neither the directives initially, nor the directives after the amendments, are acceptable to the Russian side. The fact is that under the Third Energy Package, Europe has the right to ultimately withdraw from the contractual gas supply schemes, switching to a system of so-called spots. Gazprom has managed to calculate that this will hit the company and lead to a “dictate of conditions” in terms of gas prices from European consumers. Gazprom concerns, as it turned out, are identical to those of the Russian authorities, and therefore at the Brussels summit, Vladimir Putin reminded Barroso and van Rompuy that disagreements on the aforementioned Third Energy Package need to be overcome, how to overcome differences between Russia and the European Union and within the WTO.

Recall that today the European Union is very frankly “protecting” its market in order to prevent a significant increase in the volume of a number of Russian goods (from agricultural products to products of metallurgical plants). The motivation is that Russia has not yet "finally switched to WTO standards." Like, we in Brussels, Paris, Berlin have passed a long time ago, and therefore we defend ourselves from the "alien." However, at the same time, the EU is actively demanding that Russia actually fully open its markets to European products, reducing duties to the lowest possible values.

One of these requirements, by the way, will soon earn money in the near future: Russia, succumbing to WTO pressure, will have to remove the last barriers to importing genetically modified and transgenic products from the same Europe, and in addition will be allowed to grow transgenes on its territory. Instead of ordinary potatoes in the fields of the central zone, potatoes may appear, for example, with a cockroach gene. For what? So that the Colorado potato beetle does not eat. If such a potato becomes not to the taste of the Colorado potato beetle, then how suitable will it be for human consumption? .. To what changes in the human body can transgenic products, which will be eaten on a permanent basis, cannot be explained by any scientist. Someone claims that “cockroach-potatoes” and other fruits of genetic engineering of the new generation are perfectly safe for us, and someone says that such food can reformat the human genome itself (the second option, by the way, is confirmed by numerous studies on laboratory animals). In this regard, a joke in the style may well be relevant: today I couldn’t peel the potatoes - ran away from under the knife and dug back into the ground ...

Understanding the potential danger of the process (both economic and, let's say, medical), many Russian regions, taking the opportunity, adopted laws that today are called the term “Freedom from GMOs”. That is, in regions such as the Belgorod Region (plus 13 subjects of the Russian Federation), the cultivation of transgenic products in the fields will be strictly prohibited. But will de facto be banned? - This is a separate question.

Once again, Vladimir Putin raised the question of the prospects for creating a single economic (and, it should be especially noted, humanitarian) space on the Eurasian continent. The basis for work in such a space, according to the Russian president, could be the introduction of a free trade zone between the Eurasian Economic Union and the EU. To begin work in this direction, the Russian president suggested thinking about a quote “conjugation of European and Eurasian integration processes”, stating that there is no contradiction between such processes.

It should be noted that this is not the first summit, where words of creating a single integration space emanate from Vladimir Putin’s words, quote: “from Lisbon to the Pacific Ocean”. But the words of the Russian president clearly do not find much support from EU bosses. It is understandable. It’s hard to imagine that Barroso, van Rompuy or Baroness Ashton suddenly applaud Putin’s idea to “be friends with families” - to integrate into the EU-EES format. The same Ashton such “friendship” can only dream in a nightmarish dream, because the modern “humanitarian” interests of the EU are in no way matched with the humanitarian interests in the Customs Union, on the basis of which the EEC is formed. This can be traced by the example of Ukraine torn apart today. By the way, the aforementioned Mrs. Ashton (EU representative for international affairs) immediately after the shortened Russia-EU summit set the skis on Ukraine specifically for “mediation” in negotiations between the government and the opposition. Upon learning of this, Putin declared:

The more intermediaries, the more problems. I don’t know if Ukraine needs this mediation? .. I can imagine how our European partners would react if at the height of the crisis in Greece or Cyprus, at one of the anti-European rallies our Foreign Minister would appear and start there make some appeals. I think that the Ukrainian people are able to figure it out. In any case, Russia will never interfere in this.


But how could a baroness listen to these words, if her service today is to “attach” Ukraine, in whole or in part, to a “democratic” serpentarium. But who does Ashton and others mean today by the Ukrainian opposition? - those who, knowing that nothing depends on them, refuse to give Yanukovych a “gift” in the form of high posts, or those who have a head like a generator of Nazi slogans?

In general, the summit was held in a gallop mode - so soon that even no final documents were signed. But honestly! - why sign what today, it seems, no one is going to abide by ... Is there any benefit from such summits? Apparently, there is - like dark matter in outer space - only, by definition, it cannot be seen ... Benefit beyond the control of the consciousness of the average person ...
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  1. zart_arn
    zart_arn 30 January 2014 09: 02
    +2
    In general, the summit was held in gallop mode

    The usual operational planning meeting.
    1. Orel
      Orel 30 January 2014 09: 22
      -17%
      Russia, succumbing to the pressure of the WTO, will be forced to remove the last barriers to the import of genetically modified and transgenic products from the same Europe, and in addition will be forced to allow the cultivation of transgenes on its territory


      I don't see a problem here. We are all adults. We calmly read what is written on the packaging and put in the basket only those goods that are marked with the inscription "GMO-free". If everyone does this, then all transgenic products will be thrown into the trash and will not be grown in our country. There is no need to deprive people of the choice of what they have, the state should not think for them, not small children, they have their own heads. It's time for people to learn responsibility for themselves and their loved ones, and the state does not regulate everything and everyone. There are two truths, on the one hand, transgenic products, this is a pig in a poke, but on the other hand, the problem of world hunger and competition cannot be solved without genetic technologies. Therefore, it is obvious that in the future this sector of agriculture will only develop. But Russia has great potential in a different way. Today in the world there is a growing demand for natural products without GMOs. Such products are much more expensive, but the demand for them is high and stable, especially in developed countries, where the crops are occupied by transgenic crops. If Russian farmers are helped to enter the world market with our natural products, then they will be quite competitive and will be able to earn good money, but everything depends on money, farms do not have the funds to carry out certification according to international standards and invest in the reconstruction of their production, if only through lending and any guarantees to help them here, then Russia could feed the whole of Europe, and possibly the world. Not so long ago, the Russian Empire essentially did this ...
      1. kontrol
        kontrol 30 January 2014 10: 06
        +33
        there’s a problem at all. On the packages about GMOs you can’t even write slyly about GMOs, and when it comes to light, they forgot about eleven years later. And yet, with such areas of farmland, we don’t need any GIOs to increase the yield. Work and plow and sow, and you can fill up with the products of all. but GMO is just what you need to do nichrome not to do. at least with us.
        1. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 30 January 2014 11: 45
          +2
          GMO ... and you forgive not eat mutants? all selection is work with the gene. time!
          "cockroach gene", excuse me, journalistic nonsense. a gene is a molecule-record of 4 "letters" - adenine (A) or thymine (T) or cytosine (C) or guanine (G) and that notorious "cockroach gene" is recorded in your and my DNA, it simply does not participate in the formation organism. read the school textbook or something. I myself am an opponent of GMOs, but for a different reason- HAPPY SLIPPED - rarely quality.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 31 January 2014 13: 46
            +1
            Quote: fennekRUS
            adenine (A) or thymine (T) or cytosine (C) or guanine (G) and that notorious "cockroach gene" is written in your and my DNA

            the complementary particles you listed make up a chain of DNA and RNA, but it is their sequence that determines the uniqueness of a single gene.
            take for example (chemical composition) H2O water, it contains two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Take sulfuric acid H2SO4, the same two hydrogen atoms, but already 4 oxygen in addition to sulfur. And what, according to your logic, can sulfuric acid be used instead of water ??? Or have I misunderstood you?

            and by the way, if my memory serves me right, then thymine (T) is contained in the DNA, and instead of thymine (T) -uracil (U), complementary to adenine (A).
        2. Orel
          Orel 30 January 2014 11: 56
          +8
          In any case, GMOs are much better than what Chinese farmers feed us all, who do not understand what they add there and do not write anything at all. But you do not argue about this at all and almost no one writes about it, it is a great art to force the whole society to discuss an imaginary threat, when a real one in a neighboring garden has long been realized by guests from the Middle Kingdom ... And you mean transgenic products ... quite similar technology, just much longer and more expensive, and with genetic engineering it happens faster. But you do not ask to cancel and prohibit the selection! Breeding is also engaged in hybridization and a mixture of "bulldog and rhino" ...
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 13: 37
            +2
            Quote: Orel
            In any case, GMOs are much better than what all of us are fed by Chinese farmers, who generally don’t understand what they add to it and write nothing at all.

            how come nitrates, nitrites, heavy metals ...

            GMOs are really better than this explosive cocktail ...
            1. matross
              matross 30 January 2014 14: 41
              +7
              Quote: DanaF1
              nitrates, nitrites, heavy metals ... GMOs are really better than this explosive cocktail ...

              You're right - we all eat shit! Preservatives, enhancers and flavor enhancers, sweeteners and flavorings, antibiotics that feed animals, as well as accelerators of their growth, in general artificial feed in general. Soy is ALL genetically modified. What is indicated on the packaging is a natural product, 99,9% - h.ernya! All real "natural products" for the rich are much more expensive than in a hypermarket. And then there is no guarantee! Someone goes and buys some kind of "farm" meat, etc. - ahaha)) - how does he know that this pig-lady ate during her life ?? The same is true for the water we drink, not excluding most of the bottled water. Hence the surge in allergies, which no one heard of 50 years ago, oncology and so on. So bon appetit to us all, ladies and gentlemen! We will degenerate and die out without GMOs, not excluding the happy consumers of oysters, "Veuve Clicquot" and marbled beef.
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 18: 33
                +2
                Quote: matRoss
                We will degenerate and die out and without GMOs

                life is a deadly disease ...
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                2. matross
                  matross 30 January 2014 19: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  life is a deadly disease ...

                  Undoubtedly. But the specific diagnosis and history are variable. Rotting away from eating the year BCAA is one of the most vile. But the most likely.
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 22: 59
                    0
                    Quote: matRoss
                    But the specific diagnosis and history are variable. Rotting away from eating the year BCAA is one of the most vile. But the most likely.

                    not the most likely ...
                    Yet the environmental factor is not far behind ...
                3. fennekRUS
                  fennekRUS 31 January 2014 10: 30
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                  and incurable ..with 100% lethal outcome.
              2. Klim
                Klim 30 January 2014 21: 50
                0
                In the USSR, sausage was in short supply and after the collapse, it disappeared altogether (all today's surrogates having the appearance of sausages do not count)
            2. vezunchik
              vezunchik 30 January 2014 21: 35
              +1
              how much land is empty, but no one wants to deal with it ..
              1. brelok
                brelok 31 January 2014 06: 20
                +1
                Quote: vezunchik
                how much land is empty, but no one wants to deal with it ..

                The Malomalsky tractor - naked without pepsnova - costs almost two lemons! Do you think the peasant pull?
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        3. Vadim2013
          Vadim2013 30 January 2014 23: 43
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          Arable land in Russia is enough for normal products. There are no funds to organize work on this land.
      2. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 30 January 2014 10: 11
        +30
        Quote: Orel
        but on the other hand, the problem of global hunger and competition, without genetic technologies, cannot be solved either.

        My friend, take a little less to the wiring of the bourgeoisie! Our scientists have proved (it’s very unfortunate that I can’t give the link) that without GMOs the Stavropol, Krasnodar Territories, Rostov and Belgorod Regions can provide all types of agricultural products and livestock to the whole of RUSSIA AND 1/3 of European countries. Less money needs to be spent on wars and weapons, and this, unfortunately, is not profitable for the same leaders of the United States, small Britain and a number of leading countries. GMOs are one of the effects on reducing population through genes. This is very serious and dangerous!
        If you have the time and desire, read the first part of "The Legacy" by Sergei Tormashev (in it he checked the real facts on the Internet himself these days). Hair stands on end.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 13: 38
          -1
          Quote: Oleg147741
          My friend, take a little less to the wiring of the bourgeoisie! Our scientists have proved (it’s very unfortunate that I can’t give a link) that without GMOs the Stavropol, Krasnodar Territories, Rostov and Belgorod Regions can provide all types of agricultural products and livestock

          so here in Russia there is no hunger ...

          but in Africa he is ...
          and still there is a population that does not want to work and is waiting for handouts and for the most part barren land, where there is desert, where is the jungle ...
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 30 January 2014 17: 40
            +1
            Quote: DanaF1
            who does not want to work and is waiting for handouts and for the most part bad land
            They told you so themselves ??? it seems to me that sho esib shoved there less shaved snouts and other "civilized" husks --- a mustache would be the way .................. ......
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 18: 34
              0
              Quote: stroporez
              They told you so themselves ??? it seems to me that sho esib shoved there less shaved snouts and other "civilized" husks --- a mustache would be the way .................. ......

              yeah, any "civilized shelupon" not only sticks there ....
              however there is nothing to eat only there ... conjures up certain thoughts, you know ...
        2. aquatic
          aquatic 30 January 2014 15: 07
          -6
          here it started again)) "our scientists have proven, but I can't give you a link")) the harm of GMOs is nonsense, everything you eat at the moment is modified directly or by selection, the differences are not big))) you understand EVERYTHING, GMOs are progress, it's like atomic energy compared to the Russian stove)

          it’s for the bourgeoisie that it is beneficial for you to think as you say, you don’t need atomic energy)) bask in the stove, in the taiga, in the hut! everything is natural and closer to nature.
          how many times has this topic been raised, and all the same people remain leading to this nonsense)
          1. GorynychZmey78
            GorynychZmey78 30 January 2014 17: 37
            +1
            aquatic
            it’s for the bourgeoisie that it is beneficial for you to think as you say, you don’t need atomic energy)) bask in the stove, in the taiga, in the hut! everything is natural and closer to nature.

            our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, eating in the taiga and living in tents, were strong and healthy. They survived the tombstones of the Second World War, built a mighty power, and many survived to this day!
            Now the youth is completely weak, sick, unfit and unsuitable for military service, and at 30 years old already have cancers, heart attacks, heart attacks !! so, what is next!!! here happened shas war half the same youthful generation is through and through sick people !! they simply can’t even fight even if they really want to help the Motherland!
            Yes, a living person in the taiga eating healthy food is a hundred times stronger and stronger than 1000 urban teenagers! ! !
            AND THIS IS NOT A REAL EVIDENCE! ! !

            aquatic
            how many times has this topic been raised, and all the same people remain leading to this nonsense)

            here you like you and eat! in McDonald's to the joy of amers and your children!
            and it is necessary to propagandize not GMO products !!! A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE !! !
            which includes not only sports but HEALTHY environmentally friendly and proper nutrition !!

            aquatic
            here it started again)) "our scientists have proven, but I can't give you a link")) the harm of GMOs is nonsense, everything that you eat at the moment is modified directly or by selection, the differences are not big)))


            Are you yourself a specialist in this field ???
            firstly (our scientists)) for Amerov’s grandees they will prove to you that black is white and turn around wink
            secondly, you can’t throw a link and refer to specific people (name surname) and do not rush! !
            THIRD UNSPECIFIED! and it can’t be duplicated by then, as it requires research not only on this, but on subsequent generations!
            I personally experimented on mice! fed gene feed that used livestock for feed so I can’t judge how it affected their health by tam as I am not a professional in this field BUT! after 7 maximum 14 generations, mice no longer multiplied at all! (they lived separately related prerecreations I did not allow !!)
            draw your own conclusions!
            1. yur
              yur 30 January 2014 20: 32
              0
              Forgive me, dear Serpent Gorynych, but judging by the way you mock the Russian language, you are unlikely to be able to conduct a fairly correct experiment on mice. They apparently stopped reproducing for other reasons (maybe from obesity, or maybe just didn’t want to).
              1. grandfather
                grandfather 30 January 2014 22: 12
                +1
                Quote: yur
                Forgive me, dear Serpent Gorynych, but judging by the way you mock the Russian language, you are unlikely to be able to conduct a fairly correct experiment on mice. They apparently stopped reproducing for other reasons (maybe from obesity, or maybe just didn’t want to).

                you try to read between the letters, and not others to learn something. recourse yes
              2. GorynychZmey78
                GorynychZmey78 30 January 2014 22: 26
                +1
                yur
                You are unlikely to be able to conduct a fairly correct experiment on mice. They apparently stopped reproducing for other reasons (maybe from obesity, or maybe just didn’t want to).


                Well, if you still have your GMO products, if you so trust these scientists, do experiments on yourself and your children (if any), I forbid you to chtoli!
                lately a whole bunch of all kinds of pseudo-scholarly magicians and other strange personalities have been divorced who prove or disprove anything ten times a day! so I’ll better stick to my personal observations until it’s definitely proven otherwise to experiment on yourself or not)) especially when there is a choice!

                yes, I’m writing quickly and the keyboard is still poorly mastered, I’m missing and there’s no time to fix it)
        3. Scoun
          Scoun 30 January 2014 15: 18
          0
          Quote: Oleg147741
          GMOs are one of the effects on reducing population through genes. This is very serious and dangerous!

          Sometimes selection is equated to GMOs, breeding is less dangerous, but its return can hit in a very long period of time ... for example, carrots, now few people know that several centuries ago it was a completely different color))) and for example rapeseed. which was vulnerable to insects and chemistry and is now becoming the scourge of farmland.
          Few of us know that real carrots are far from orange, their true color is purple. There were also varieties of raspberry, white and yellow flowers. Also, carrots were not used as food, as today, it was more like a remedy. Only in the 16th century, carrots acquired an orange hue, and this is what we owe to breeders who began to cross different types of carrots. Real carrots today are very rare and expensive.

          The most dangerous thing in GMOs is TRANSGENES, and if the manufacturer writes on the package it contains GMOs, this does not mean that it is not a transgene, but a transgene when a fish or reptile gene is implanted into a tomato or strawberry gene. Now there are cases when a scorpion gene was introduced into a vegetable gene or flounder gene .... (((
        4. GorynychZmey78
          GorynychZmey78 30 January 2014 17: 52
          +1
          Oleg147741
          If you have the time and desire, read the first part of "The Legacy" by Sergei Tormashev (in it he checked the real facts on the Internet himself these days). Hair stands on end.


          I absolutely agree with you!
          I also advise you to read to everyone who at least somehow cares for themselves and their future generation, and therefore about their homeland! which needs healthy people strong in body and spirit! to resist the unsuccessful outfits!
        5. Raptor75
          Raptor75 30 January 2014 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: Oleg147741
          leading countries. GMOs are one of the effects on reducing population through genes. This is very serious and dangerous!

          The heresy is, however. What and how it affects the human genome can be found in the biology textbook, search the Internet for something, or something. At the root of all the scandals surrounding GMOs is the loot and corporate interests.
      3. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 30 January 2014 10: 22
        +10
        We calmly read what is written on the packaging and put in the basket only those goods that are marked with the inscription "GMO-free".


        "Paper will endure everything" - I did not invent and say.
        Do you believe everything written by someone?
        1. Kite
          Kite 30 January 2014 18: 47
          -1
          Quote: Old Cynic
          "The paper will endure everything" - not by me invented and said. Do you believe everything that was written by someone?

          This is an ARGUMENT! The dispute can be ended. Only a small doubt creeps in when visiting the market: "And what did the farmer fertilize his cucumbers / potatoes / cabbage with? Does he have a sanitary certificate to ask or believe that he can show any paper? What kind of variety is he so" outwardly beautiful and competitive at a price " stuffed? "
          I am inclined to the fact that if GMO is forbidden / resolved - the question is, then to demand to indicate this precisely without waiting for requests / questions, forgery is a fierce punishment.
          1. Old Cynic
            Old Cynic 30 January 2014 20: 43
            +1
            Did I argue with you about something? Do you yourself understand your writings? AND?
            And then fertilizers and labels on the packaging?
            Do you even understand what I wrote about?
            1. Kite
              Kite 30 January 2014 22: 30
              -1
              Quote: Old Cynic
              And then fertilizers and labels on the packaging?

              Those. You are not going to demand from the manufacturer and seller the truthful information about the goods sold to you?
              Quote: Old Cynic
              Do you even understand what I wrote about?
              then
              Quote: Old Cynic
              Do you believe everything written by someone?

              inscriptions on packages - insignificant ornaments or they have report product quality?
      4. seller trucks
        seller trucks 30 January 2014 10: 59
        +4
        Quote: Orel
        If Russian farmers are helped to enter the world market with our natural products, then they will be quite competitive and will be able to make good money,


        Farms will never enter the international market, the volumes are not the same, and it is economically very expensive to get, but agricultural holdings are quite, look at the example of Belgorod (God bless Savchenko), they fed the whole of Russia with poultry, and the "surplus" is exported to the EU. Take Miratorg, which also exports pork and poultry meat, the most interesting thing is that in 2014 it is planned to start over the hill of cattle, including "marble" beef, everything is measured in hundreds of thousands of tons. Can a farmer do it? in my opinion a stupid question.
        1. Olegovich
          Olegovich 30 January 2014 14: 25
          +4
          Quote: seller trucks
          the whole of Russia was fed with poultry, and the "surplus" is exported to the EU. Let's take Miratorg, which also exports pork and poultry, the most interesting thing is that in 2014 it is planned to start over the hill of cattle, including "marble" beef, everything is measured in hundreds of thousands of tons

          Quite right! Moreover, the prices for chicken are constantly decreasing - now 78 rubles / kg in the store, and for "Miratorgovskaya" pork too - 170 rubles / kg without bones.
          So it is necessary to work, and not to blather that "everything is bad" in Russia!
      5. Fin
        Fin 30 January 2014 11: 02
        +3
        Quote: Orel
        We are all adults. We calmly read what is written on the packaging and put in the basket only those goods that are marked with the inscription "GMO-free".

        My vision is "1" and it has already become difficult to distinguish what is written in small print. If you shop quickly, you don't look at anything at all. And then in quiet and the inscription "without GMO" will be removed. The upcoming reduction in duties on GMOs is probably one of the reasons for the weakening of the ruble. So that ours do not rush to cheap products.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 13: 41
          0
          Quote: Fin
          And then in quiet and the inscription "without GMO" will be removed.

          who will remove it?
          it's not a law ...
          it’s just written by those who want to sell their products better ...
      6. avt
        avt 30 January 2014 12: 04
        +2
        Quote: Orel
        I don't see a problem here. We are all adults. We calmly read what is written on the packaging and put in the basket only those goods that are marked with the inscription "GMO-free"

        laughing And if it’s written on the fence ... Well, let's say differently in accordance with the rules of the site, if a bull is written on a lion’s cage, don’t believe your eyes. Here at my dacha, the Colorado potato beetle disappeared, and for a long time, and at all.
      7. Orel
        Orel 30 January 2014 12: 05
        +1
        Voting on the comment speaks for itself, while 30% are ready to think with their own heads and be responsible, and 70% want the state to think for them. So we cannot defeat corruption and many other problems ... Never ... All the same, Putin was right when he said: "Our population is too socialized." We have in the first place the principle "Do not give me myself", and the principle - "Give us and do for us." Of course, you can always say that the state was created for this, but whatever one may say, many things will not be solved without personal initiative ... And the state with its regulation in many areas only hinders, creates corruption and bribery, produces new officials, and people are only glad that there is now "an official who will control, this official who is controlled by this official, and that one by another." Anything can be banned, but the question should be banned in this case? It may be cheaper and more effective just to be more responsible for people. And for every ban, someone must follow, again new officials around the neck ...
      8. andruha70
        andruha70 30 January 2014 12: 19
        +6
        I don't see a problem here. We are all adults. We calmly read what is written on the packaging and put in the basket only those goods that are marked with the inscription "GMO-free"
        Do you believe what is written on the packaging? belay a couple of "Chinese" - you will be crammed into this package - "without GMO" ... and then - the head of the customs - a couple of "boxes from a copier" will be taken ...lol and then you will be surprised: why is this generation of our fathers and grandfathers (past fire, war and copper pipes) live for 80-90 years. and from drugs they know only aspirin and 100g. good and you - at the age of 40-50 - most of the income - spend on a tuyeva heap of medicines ... tongue
      9. Andrey57
        Andrey57 30 January 2014 12: 21
        -1
        One of these requirements, by the way, will be actively working in the near future: Russia, succumbing to the pressure of the WTO, will be forced to remove the last barriers to the import of genetically modified and transgenic products from the same Europe, and in addition will be forced to allow the cultivation of transgenes on its territory.


        The problem with GMOs is also very huge, the enormous harm from these products has been proven not only in laboratory mice and rats, which in the second generation have completely failed reproductive function - they do not have mice and rat pups in the second generation !!! But people have persistent lesions of the gene structure, and there are thousands of such cases, but they are deliberately ignored!

        Previously, we saw the GDP policy in the economic sphere inside the country, now we have waited for the same with regard to the health of people throughout our country, all these are the consequences of joining the WTO, beneficial only to a handful of oligarchs and bringing troubles to everyone else. The most interesting thing is that in many EU countries, genetically modified products are allowed to be produced, but it is forbidden to sell in the EU, since they are well aware of all the "delights" of GMOs, so all this poison is intended for cattle in the east, everything is as old as the World - for the destruction of the population and liberation of "living space" in the East by all means are good.
        1. Olegovich
          Olegovich 30 January 2014 14: 27
          0
          Quote: Andrey57
          Previously, we saw the co-adhering GDP policy in the economic sphere within the country, now we have expected the same in relation to the health of the people of our entire country, all these are the consequences of joining the WTO, beneficial only to a handful of oligarchs and causing troubles to everyone else.

          Rave....
        2. aquatic
          aquatic 30 January 2014 15: 23
          -1
          excuse the nonsense) about GMO nonsense) about the "soplejuy" policy too) in Europe GMOs are in every store)
          1. Victor-M
            Victor-M 30 January 2014 23: 56
            +1
            Quote: aquatic
            in Europe GMOs are in every store)

            Yeah, and the bottom line is the homosexual at every corner.
            1. aquatic
              aquatic 31 January 2014 08: 09
              0
              Well, yes, well, yes)) it turns out from what they appear)))
      10. shark
        shark 30 January 2014 13: 08
        +4
        And a seller from the Caucasus, selling you this very GMO potatoes grown somewhere in the Ryazan region, will tell you that potatoes are GMO? The fact that they import is half of the trouble. It's enough just not to buy foreign. And what is grown here? What our people traditionally trust? You will see all the potatoes will become Belgorod. As now they are all "Tambov" And GMO is evil. GMO is cancer and many other terrible diseases. HMO is genetically sick newborn children. And this is a sabotage against the state. And the fact that it will be profitable to raise it is also a fact. The yields are higher, again, pests do not eat. Capitalism does not imply decency and all mentions of modifications will be carefully hide the manufacturer. That's it, we don't even know why we are sick. So comrades remember where the shovel was lying around in the barn. Enough to catch fish and barbecue in the dachas. In the spring we will plant potatoes.
      11. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 13: 34
        0
        Unfortunately, you can put only one plus good
        Quote: Orel
        ora already people learn responsibility for themselves and loved ones, and the state does not regulate everything and everyone.

        I’ve been talking about this for a long time, but for some reason it does not find understanding among the rest ...
        we, after all, adults, must think with our own heads ...
      12. slon53
        slon53 30 January 2014 14: 19
        +2
        This is precisely the problem, but not of each citizen of the Russian Federation individually. Here appears the obligation of the state to protect its citizens from GMOs, without which Russia could well do. Who can guarantee that from GMOs in 15-20 years our children and grandchildren will not grow horns or anything else. And our Prime Minister has already decided that GMO products are safe for Russians. I would like to know how he plans to feed his family. I support the proposal that the state help its agricultural producers to grow natural products.
      13. aquatic
        aquatic 30 January 2014 15: 12
        -2
        :) I support! everyone chooses for himself) I'm choosing GMOs and I don’t want to be deprived of a choice)

        and the ban on GMOs in some areas is not because of harm and danger .. look deeper))) this is how we can’t protect with benefits now ... but we have Onishchenko))
      14. m.metis2011
        m.metis2011 30 January 2014 15: 52
        +3
        who will let the Russian farmers enter the floodplain market. It’s more realistic to create conditions for our farmer in our market. but unfortunately they don’t want to ....
      15. Albert1988
        Albert1988 30 January 2014 16: 56
        +5
        Oh, put in my 5 cents ...
        Immediately I ask - DO NOT HURRY TO DISCUSSION, please read the incompetent scribble of a modest graduate of the Faculty of Biology of Moscow State University M.V. Lomonosov ....
        I'm by profession geneticist, graduated from our "MGushnaya" department of genetics, very serious specialists work and teach there, so you can trust them, in general - believe REAL scientists, and they say - genetically modified organisms are ABSOLUTELY SAFE !!!!!!
        Take any good textbook on molecular genetics and understand this simple truth !!!!!
        Our genome is an UNCONSIDERABLE FORTRESS for foreign DNA !!!!!
        Only a virus can penetrate our genome, and even then, Only the virus that is "suitable" for this !!!!

        The cockroach gene on potatoes is nonsense !!!!! AT plant only gene can be embedded another plant!!!! and "reformatting" (what a term !!!) our genome, this built-in gene cannot in any way, since in our stomach and intestines DNA will immediately decompose into nucleotides - its elementary components, and they are either in a modified or in an unmodified organism - are the same everywhere !!!!

        There is only one small BUT - this is the question of what kind of gene was inserted into the "GMO", and to the formation of what substances in the modified organism it led - there may be problems, but they are eliminated at the test stage - a new GMO variety
        it is tested on average 10 years - on 6-8 generations of rats, on 3-4th generations of dogs and cats, and in especially bourgeois countries and on a couple of three generations of monkeys ...
        So if something is found wrong, then the variety goes to the screenings.

        And here's another thing - NO research confirming the alleged harm of GMOs - HAS BEEN CARRIED OUT !!!!! Not in any specialized scientific institution !!! All the blatant lies of the purchased media and it is not clear who pretending to be a "scientist" - we often see on TV such "MSU professors" whom no one has ever seen at Moscow State University and does not know about their existence ...

        So Europe just wants us to import THEM GMOs to us, but at the same time not produce OWN ...
        Yes, manufacturers of pesticides with fertilizers that are poured in tons on "non-GMO" varieties of plants and hormones that feed animals, as many members of the forum have already posted, do not want to go broke either ...
        So draw conclusions, and it is better to study the specialized literature on your own - I recommend a textbook on classical and molecular genetics edited by Zhimulev)))
        1. Raptor75
          Raptor75 30 January 2014 19: 22
          -1
          I did not hope to see an adequate post on GMOs ... Thanks ...
          The engine of trade is not advertising, but that you can mix everything.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 30 January 2014 22: 51
            0
            Quote: Raptor75
            I did not hope to see an adequate post on GMOs ... Thanks ...

            And thank you for your understanding))
            I already admit I’m tired when it comes to GMOs, telling everyone that there’s nothing wrong with that, and that all the exceptionally stupid propaganda about this in our media and laws prohibiting GMOs in Russia is the result of the European lobby that Europeans are afraid that we will become independent from them in terms of food, oh how afraid))))
        2. Victor-M
          Victor-M 31 January 2014 00: 09
          -1
          Quote: Albert1988
          new GMO variety
          it is tested on average 10 years - on 6-8 generations of rats, on 3-4th generations of dogs and cats, and in especially bourgeois countries and on a couple of three generations of monkeys ...
          So if something is found wrong, then the variety goes to the screenings.

          I really doubt it. Maybe this is somewhere, but not on planet Earth, and the application of this failed experiment with GMOs, believe me, they will find a place, especially in the west.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 31 January 2014 18: 28
            -3
            Quote: Victor-M
            I really doubt it.

            Do not hesitate - I have familiarized myself with the standard test protocols for GMOs - everything is very serious there, if it’s worth worrying, it’s oddly just for our manufacturer - for we haven’t worked out so far and indeed quality control of a lot of things is unfortunate. ..
            Quote: Victor-M
            failed experiment with GMOs

            GMOs are, alas, an urgent necessity - there are so many of us on this planet ... Oh, and as for our country, of course, if you plow all of our abandoned arable lands now, you can do without GMOs, but this is a huge pressure on the environment, What's not good. And if we take into account that we can only feed our modern population of 140 with a small million, and the optimal population for Russia (even according to Mendeleev’s calculations) is about 500 million people, then GMO can’t do without it.
            Py.Sy. Moreover, we have been eating this GMO for about 20 years and are not dying out, on the contrary, the acceleration in humans is only accelerating winked
            1. Victor-M
              Victor-M 31 January 2014 19: 29
              +1
              Quote: Albert1988
              . Moreover, we have been eating this GMO for about 20 years and are not dying out, on the contrary, the acceleration in humans is only accelerating

              And you have not noticed how many allergy sufferers have appeared over the past 20 years, and why the West is massively refusing to use them, so you will not convince me of the usefulness and necessity of using GMO products, and your comments in their defense, this is just lobbying for "someone's" interests.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 31 January 2014 19: 56
                -2
                Quote: Victor-M
                And you didn’t notice how many allergic people appeared in the last 20 years,

                Firstly, the number of allergic people has not increased, as well as the number of freaks, patients with hereditary diseases, etc. This is absolutely real data obtained by our scientists. Unless in Europe, the number of gay men may increase in the near future, but this is definitely not from GMOs wink
                Quote: Victor-M
                and why the West massively refuses their use


                Where did you hear that? The West does not refuse anything, and it is no longer possible to refuse - for example not genetically modified soybeans are no longer grown in the world. Nazarbayev in Kazakhstan said something that they have it "without GMOs", but only now it turned out to be with GMOs ... And in general, in the west of these notorious GMOs, 70% of agricultural products and the share is only growing, and this is also verified data from people who are seriously working on this problem.
                Quote: Victor-M
                and your comments in their defense are just lobbying for "someone's" interests.


                Before you insult a person like this, please read what I wrote in my first post ... And I wrote that I am a geneticist by profession, and studied at Moscow State University, with us, and not at Harvard or Yell, so " misdirected "I am not, I graduated with honors and in the" ruble topic ", so what I am telling you by serious experts has already been verified 100 times and is a proven fact.

                Not earlier than in August, our department held a pre-defense doctoral dissertation of our St. Petersburg colleague, which showed that the phenomenon of "gene modification" (scientifically, "horizontal gene transfer" occurs in nature in a number of cruciferous plants, and that this does not lead to some "terrible" consequences, but on the contrary, in this case, increases the resistance of plants to infection by Agrobacterium (causes the formation of crown galls on the roots).

                Py.Sy. Even if we assume that the number of allergy sufferers has increased over the past 20 years, this should be attributed to a sharp increase in the number of cars (exhausts are more harmful than any GMOs), a sharp increase in the number of smokers (young mothers with strollers go and smoke), the concentration of the population in cities (and there all of the above), and there are a bunch of preservatives, thickeners, and all sorts of exotic stuff from the tropics, so as you can see, there’s enough reason without GMOs.
      16. Theophanes
        Theophanes 30 January 2014 17: 24
        +3
        I hear not the proud scream of an eagle, but the cry of a well-fed cockerel. Our people aren’t selling them for nightmarish merchants! I found someone to believe. Yes, they will sell for a penny of their own children how they sell fake drugs to the sick. Europe has already sold us nasty things in the guise of help! Only stupid people and liberals can believe Europe, that one and the same! DAM dragged Russia into the WTO, betraying the grandchildren and children of Gaddafi and the entire people of Libya, and now we will have to eat Euro-poison poison! Glory, glory to the Russian liberals betraying the people.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 30 January 2014 17: 38
          +1
          Quote: Theophanes
          , and now we will have to eat the Euro-poison poison!

          Unfortunately, we have been eating it for a long time .... Some 20 years ...
        2. shark
          shark 31 January 2014 08: 30
          +1
          I agree with Theophan. With every word! Traders, entrepreneurs can not be trusted. Their only goal is to cut the dough for a quick one. That's all. They’ll give you a gmo .....
          And the fact that we entered the WTO through the tacit connivance of the Libyan massacre is true. Personally, I do not like such gifts from the West.
          I have one dream meteorite consisting of enriched uranium with a deadly disease virus that fell to Europe
      17. Don
        Don 30 January 2014 18: 28
        +2
        Quote: Orel
        It is time for people to learn responsibility for themselves and their loved ones, and the state does not regulate everything and everything.

        That's right. I don’t know why you were so bombarded.
        Quote: Orel
        If Russian farmers are helped to enter the world market with our natural products, then they will be quite competitive and will be able to make good money, but everything depends on money, farms do not have the funds to certify according to international standards and invest in the reconstruction of their production, if through lending and some guarantees here to help them, then Russia could feed the whole of Europe, and possibly the world. Not so long ago, the Russian Empire essentially did this ...

        Everything is true, but it is very difficult to enter their markets and it is not only a matter of certificates. Both the Russian Federation and the EU subsidize their agriculture, but the EU just doesn’t let anyone into its market, for this they created it.
      18. yur
        yur 30 January 2014 20: 11
        +2
        I put you a plus, but still one problem remains - will there come a time when "goods marked with the inscription" GMO-free "on the shelves of our stores simply will not remain?
      19. vezunchik
        vezunchik 30 January 2014 21: 34
        0
        A man is right, before minus one needs to think! And we forgot how to work, we want to receive manna from heaven
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      21. nikolayur
        nikolayur 30 January 2014 22: 41
        0
        I wonder how to take potatoes or carrots in the supermarket? They don’t write where it is from there, it lies in bulk, and yes, already before buying, we read so as not to take it with palm oil and milk powder, but still there are a lot of such goods and because of the cheapness they take it
      22. AVV
        AVV 30 January 2014 22: 51
        +1
        Quote: Orel
        I don't see a problem here. We are all adults. We calmly read what is written on the packaging and put in the basket only those goods that are marked with the inscription "GMO-free".

        Yes, just let our manufacturer use GMOs, then the number of GMOsexuals will appear as much as in America and Europe !!! At one time, palm oil was allowed to use the food industry very harmful to humans, so now all the confectionery sits on it like a needle and no one forbids because it is cheaper, the same will be with potatoes !!! Until people in the networks oppose a united front, no one will stir a mustache, again the WTO will offer us poison, hail gentlemen, and you will not have children and offspring !!!
      23. Farvil
        Farvil 31 January 2014 01: 45
        0
        All right
    2. smel
      smel 30 January 2014 09: 41
      +1
      Only without lunch and dinner. Here in Sochi we will patter them with all our hospitality. And it would be necessary without special frills and with a good cuff
    3. kris
      kris 30 January 2014 13: 54
      -5
      Quote:Russia for Germany is one of the seven major partners in importing products and occupies the 11 place in exports.
      more than 90% of imports to Germany from Russia - oil, gas and other raw materials!
      And should we be proud that we have become a raw materials appendage for the Germans?
      1. Volodin
        30 January 2014 14: 03
        +4
        99% Saudi, 58% Norwegian exports to other countries - hydrocarbons. And after all, the Saudis or the Norwegians do not have any special complexes on this issue ...

        Nobody is proud to call you, just a fact is stated.
        1. kris
          kris 30 January 2014 16: 06
          +2
          Quote: Volodin
          99% Saudi, 58% Norwegian exports to other countries - hydrocarbons. And after all, the Saudis or the Norwegians do not have any special complexes on this issue ...

          Nobody is proud to call you, just a fact is stated.

          Neither Norway nor Saudi Arabia have ever been Super Powers!
          1. Volodin
            30 January 2014 16: 22
            +3
            And the USSR was a superpower and also successfully traded oil even with its "sworn friends". But the USSR had a very powerful industry, it is true, and this, unfortunately, did not prevent the collapse of the country for obvious reasons.

            If the state leadership can properly dispose of the proceeds from the sale of raw materials and conduct economic policy, no matter how trite it sounds, for the good of the people, and not for the good of their wallet and the interests of foreign "advisers", then there is no need to doubt the strength of such a state and its leadership ... Does this apply to our current authorities? - everyone is free to judge for himself ...
            1. kris
              kris 30 January 2014 16: 32
              0
              Quote: Volodin
              And the USSR was a superpower and also successfully traded oil even with its "sworn friends". But the USSR also had the most powerful industry

              Exactly Alexey! Industry, not a parody, as it is now!
              Quote: Volodin
              If the state leadership can properly dispose of the proceeds from the sale of raw materials and conduct economic policy, no matter how trite it sounds, for the good of the people, and not for the good of their wallet and the interests of foreign "advisers", then there is no need to doubt the strength of such a state and its leadership ... Does this apply to our current authorities? - everyone is free to judge for himself ...

              I think this does not apply to the current authorities!
              What do you think?
              1. Volodin
                30 January 2014 17: 04
                +2
                Michael, if I may, then I'd rather not say anything about this. Well, or so I will say: it remains only to believe that this applies to our authorities ... smile
              2. Don
                Don 31 January 2014 12: 46
                0
                Quote: kris
                Industry, not a parody, as it is now!

                If you knew something about Russian industry, you wouldn’t write such nonsense. At least look at the production data.
        2. 31231
          31231 30 January 2014 20: 04
          +1
          Quote: Volodin
          99% Saudi, 58% Norwegian exports to other countries - hydrocarbons. And after all, the Saudis or the Norwegians do not have any special complexes on this issue ...

          Nobody is proud to call you, just a fact is stated.


          Alexei, I still don’t understand. Who are you talking to?
          1. Volodin
            31 January 2014 16: 09
            +1
            Sergey, forgive me for being late in writing - just now I saw your question. The dialogue was conducted with the reader kris (there you can see who was answering by using the arrow).
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 30 January 2014 14: 23
        +4
        Quote: kris
        more than 90% of imports to Germany from Russia - oil, gas and other raw materials!


        laughing so what's wrong with that? Without all of the above, all these Germans "will soon be kirdyk" (s). if desired, it is great to twist your arms, especially zealous: the Ukraine, the Baltic states, Poland, let them sit on the priest exactly.
      3. Don
        Don 31 January 2014 12: 30
        -1
        Quote: kris
        And should we be proud that we have become a raw materials appendage for the Germans?

        If one state sells oil, gas, iron ore or other resources to another, this state does not become a raw materials appendage.
      4. Don
        Don 31 January 2014 12: 30
        -1
        Quote: kris
        And should we be proud that we have become a raw materials appendage for the Germans?

        If one state sells oil, gas, iron ore or other resources to another, this state does not become a raw materials appendage.
    4. Kurbashioglu
      Kurbashioglu 30 January 2014 14: 54
      +4
      Quote: zart_arn
      In general, the summit was held in gallop mode

      The usual operational planning meeting.


      Not certainly in that way.
      Putin’s speech at the summit in Brussels demonstrated exactly this: Russia plays big and does not exchange for momentary events, no matter how they seem (I emphasize - they seemed catastrophic). This upset those who expected Putin to go ahead and in a harsh ultimatum form to repulse Western aggression in Ukraine - and many observers expected this. The GDP did not live up to these expectations and, moreover, emphasized that it stepped aside from interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, even noting that they did not even change the agenda of the EU-Russia summit. One cannot but admit that for many Russians, both in Russia and Ukraine, this caused bewilderment and disappointment.

      http://rossiyanavsegda.ru/read/1697/
    5. vezunchik
      vezunchik 30 January 2014 21: 27
      0
      Only the view of the GDP is sour ...
      Russia for Germany is one of the seven major partners in product import and ranks 11th in export
      We are investing again ... now in Germany
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 January 2014 21: 34
        +1
        Quote: vezunchik
        Only the view of the GDP is sour ...

        But like this...




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  3. ZU-23
    ZU-23 30 January 2014 09: 02
    +6
    There were no new statements at this meeting, except for an increase in turnover.
    1. Kurbashioglu
      Kurbashioglu 30 January 2014 14: 56
      +5
      Quote: ZU-23
      There were no new statements at this meeting, except for an increase in turnover.

      Some public experts and specialists, who were not used to Putin’s unpredictability and for some reason could not understand that their knowledge was ten times less than even the advisers to the GDP adviser, completely panicked, interpreting Moscow’s position as treacherous to Yanukovych. This is not true.

      http://rossiyanavsegda.ru/read/1697/
  4. a52333
    a52333 30 January 2014 09: 04
    +20
    Well done Savchenko. We do not need transgenes. And transvestites, too, let them consume lol .
  5. Colonel
    Colonel 30 January 2014 09: 06
    +3
    Russia, succumbing to the pressure of the WTO, will be forced to remove the last barriers to the import of genetically modified and transgenic products from the same Europe, and in addition will be forced to allow the cultivation of transgenes on its territory
    Thank you, care is rushing, in the morning such news wassat
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 30 January 2014 09: 07
    +7
    The EU is actively demanding that Russia virtually completely open its markets to European products, reducing duties to the lowest possible values.

    Naturally, for this, RUSSIA was dragged into the WTO.
    But as they say with wolves, to live means biting their bones — we will live according to wolf laws.
  7. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 30 January 2014 09: 08
    +26
    Quote: ZU-23
    except for an increase in turnover.

    - And how is “How are you” translated?
    “How are you, how are you.”
    - And what, everyone is wondering how I am doing?
    - Нет.
    “Why then they ask?”
    - Just. Here, in general, everything is just that, except for money.
    hi
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 30 January 2014 10: 07
      +29
      There is a man walking along the shore of the lake, he sees: some guy scoops up water from the lake and drinks. A man shouts:
      “Why are you drinking this dirty water, all the garbage is thrown here, the plants are being drained of waste, and the whole village has a go!”
      - What did you say?
      - Yes, I say: two hands scoop! hi
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    3. ZU-23
      ZU-23 30 January 2014 12: 39
      +3
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      Just. Here, in general, everything is just like that, except for money.

      haha, that's for sure, just like a scene from the movie "Brother", like money rules the world brother. I had a friend, a businessman, together I started working as his master, so he told me a couple of years later, when he felt money, he said that there were no friends in business. Well, I said goodbye to him, then his business collapsed, but he managed to invest in shops at least))). This is the kind of peace that Euro-American democracy built hi
  8. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 30 January 2014 09: 13
    +6
    Mdaaa ... "Cockroach-potato" and other fruits of genetic engineering of a new generation - inspired me longing ...
    Belgorod region (plus another 13 subjects of the Russian Federation), the cultivation of transgenic products in the fields will be strictly prohibited. But will de facto be banned from import? - This is a separate issue.

    It will take several years, and businessМIn pursuit of profit, the ene of these "subjects of the federation" will replace organic potato seeds with GMO seeds.
    1. kontrol
      kontrol 30 January 2014 10: 07
      +2
      and there will be jo
  9. Sergg
    Sergg 30 January 2014 09: 15
    +12
    Summits are a show for viewers. Everything is decided before the summits, the final decision is voiced at the summits, apparently recently the issues with the Eurosodom have been resolved tightly, and this should please us. Russia needs a tough stance on any issue.

    Currently, European countries refuse GMOs, realizing that it is deadly for the human body. Russia has a unique chance to produce ecologically healthy food, since we have a lot of agricultural land not currently used, a very good selection reserve from the time of the USSR. This is a truly unique chance for Russia, but the Kremlin needs a tough stance on this issue. If GMOs are promoted to the territory of Russia, I consider this a clear betrayal of our leadership, since Russia does not need to grow GMOs, it is beneficial exclusively for multinational companies (read the shadow world government) and moreover, to some extent, albeit with a small a stretch, can be considered a terrorist act against Russia, since GMO grains and root crops are not capable of further reproduction, that is, you cannot get a crop from them, they are DEAD, that is, every time seed material will need to be purchased from ... correctly from those who will dictate their will to us, since you always want to eat.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 30 January 2014 10: 13
      +2
      Quote: Sergg
      o there is every time the seed material will need to be purchased from ... correctly from those who will dictate their will to us, since you always want to eat.

      Tormashev says it all! Let there be complete bondage as has already happened with agricultural Canada! This is the one that is in the north of North America, and not in the former USSR.
    2. shower
      shower 30 January 2014 12: 09
      +1
      Do not add do not add !!!
    3. aquatic
      aquatic 30 January 2014 15: 30
      -3
      1. not everyone is not capable)
      2. in order not to buy "from those who will dictate the will" you need to learn to produce and grow yourself) not to carry this nonsense about GMOs, but to finally understand what it is and not put a spoke in the wheels of progress)
  10. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 30 January 2014 09: 17
    +5
    how would our European partners react if, in the midst of the crisis in Greece or Cyprus, at one of the anti-European meetings, our Foreign Minister would appear and begin to make some kind of appeals there.
    All naturally modestly drooping eyes were silent .. Pro..ki (excuse me) otherwise in any way .. angry
  11. polly
    polly 30 January 2014 09: 17
    +2
    "But who do Ashton and others mean today by the Ukrainian opposition? - those who, realizing that nothing depends on them, cowardly refuse the" gift "of Yanukovych in the form of an offer of high posts, or those whose head looks like a machine gun -Generator of Nazi slogans? .. "
    Apparently, the EU gentlemen do not care about the coloring of the Ukrainian "fifth column", the criterion is the presence in the actions of the "democrats" of a local destructive principle and the readiness to obey the Euro-commissioners in everything.
  12. Name
    Name 30 January 2014 09: 18
    +5
    But who do Ashton and the others mean today by the Ukrainian opposition?- and it does not matter to them, if only a bigger mess.

    "Russia succumbing to WTO pressure"-It's time to send all this WTO to khu00 ...
  13. demotivator
    demotivator 30 January 2014 09: 24
    +7
    Are there any benefits from such summits? Apparently, there is - like dark matter in outer space - only by definition it can’t be seen ... A benefit not subject to the consciousness of the average person ...

    Here in this last sentence "... Benefit beyond the consciousness of the average person ..." the truth is just hidden. They say that not every mind has access to what our president and his interlocutors from the EU have agreed on. This is what caught my eye personally - what did Putin say at that summit? An offensive thing for Russians: if the opposition also comes to power in Kiev, (in other words, Bandera and fascists), the Russian Federation will still help Ukraine with a fifteen billion dollar loan and save it from imminent bankruptcy. Putin didn’t even offer the EU itself to save the “square”, since it so stands up for the opponents of Yanukovych. What would be correct in principle - you support the Maidan, then feed them yourself.
    I understand that reservations have been made. Say, if the new government will behave appropriately. And that we are saving, they say, not Yanukovych, but the people of Ukraine. It seems that Putin has frankly surrendered, there will be no analogue of the Syrian campaign in the case of Ukraine (although the center of the civil war flares up side by side with the Russian Federation!). Little of. The Kremlin has "bent" so much that it is ready to feed the possible Neo-Bandera rulers of Ukraine at the expense of its country. With their praise of Stepan Bandera, outspoken anti-Russianism, with calls to revise the history of the Great Patriotic War. And, as applicants for power in Kiev do not hide plans for immediate "European integration", it turns out that Putin is ready to pay for it at the expense of the Russian Federation.
    1. Name
      Name 30 January 2014 10: 08
      +8
      Quote: demotivator
      what did Putin say at that summit? An offensive thing for Russians: they say that even if the opposition comes to power in Kiev (in other words, Bandera and fascists), the Russian Federation will still help Ukraine with a $ 15 billion loan and save it from inevitable bankruptcy
      There is a small correction from Shuvalov in this regard:
      "If the Ukrainian government, whatever it may be after its formation, announces a different agenda, other priorities, then this will probably be a reason for us to reconsider the agreements." hi
    2. Fin
      Fin 30 January 2014 11: 11
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      And that we are saving, they say, not Yanukovych, but the people of Ukraine.

      Here the main thing is the people. It can be saved by financing certain projects, directly enterprises in cooperation with which we are interested. Factories pay taxes from which pensions are paid, etc. The main thing is to beautifully voice and present.
    3. Slavon76
      Slavon76 31 January 2014 02: 22
      0
      And didn’t it occur to you that this loan is provided for a reason, but under certain guarantees of return? And if necessary, it becomes an excellent lever of influence on any government, in short - a leash with a collar?
  14. 787nkx
    787nkx 30 January 2014 09: 26
    +2
    I watched the press conference following the summit.
    Our guarantor looked very excited when answering journalists' questions.
    Probably hard for him.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 30 January 2014 10: 04
      +4
      Quote: 787nkx
      I watched the press conference following the summit.
      Our guarantor looked very excited when answering journalists' questions.
      Probably hard for him.

      You look at the higher shot. Putin stands angry and deep in thought. I hope he scrolls in his head, some kind of a trick of the European Union. We will find out soon.
  15. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 30 January 2014 09: 27
    +7
    Quote: polly
    Apparently, gentlemen from the EU do not care about the coloring of the Ukrainian "fifth column

    Yes, you had to invite to the Bundestag for the summit, under the banners in the form, everything was as it should wassat
    Yab-s looked at Merkel's face and the question, sho tse ??? What difference does it make for you wassat
  16. valokordin
    valokordin 30 January 2014 09: 28
    +5
    I listened to the president’s speech at the summit, it looked so diplomatic that you couldn’t think of anything better. And why to speak directly and sharply about the hostile actions of the EU towards Ukraine and Russia. And then everything is shu shu
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 30 January 2014 10: 07
      +3
      Quote: valokordin
      And why say directly and sharply about the hostile actions of the EU towards Ukraine and Russia. And then all this syu.

      It is impossible, diplomacy understand!
  17. Berimor 2
    Berimor 2 30 January 2014 09: 34
    +1
    In general, the summit was held in gallop mode - so soon that they did not even sign any final documents. But honestly! - why sign something that today, it seems, no one is going to observe ... Is there any benefit from such summits?

    The summit is useful mainly in order to voice at the highest level the position of the state on important issues of international life. The main thing is to have your own goal in each issue and demonstrate your readiness to achieve this goal (and not "merge" your positions, as happened in the recent past)
  18. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 30 January 2014 09: 34
    +4
    Quote: valokordin
    directly and sharply about the hostile actions of the EU towards Ukraine and Russia. And then all this syu.

    Well, there’s Zhirinovsky for this, here it’s just for now hi
  19. La-5
    La-5 30 January 2014 09: 37
    +2
    Economic and customs wars do not go anywhere over time.
  20. mabuta
    mabuta 30 January 2014 09: 41
    +11
    We will wait for the end of the Olympiad, and there we will see.
    1. 3935333
      3935333 30 January 2014 10: 18
      -5
      we are all waiting for the end of the Olympics! and builders, and sellers and scientists, and doctors, and industrialists, and teachers ... that's just the state employees did not receive their salaries (Volgograd, Rostov) - there is no money in the ministries, and people except: "there is no money yet" is not intelligible said !!!! smells of what?
      1. Fin
        Fin 30 January 2014 11: 15
        +1
        Quote: 3935333
        But the state employees did not receive their salaries (Volgograd, Rostov) - there is no money in the ministries, and they didn’t say anything intelligible to people except: “there is no money yet” !!!! smells of what?

        Is January already over? The term of payment in the majority starting from 3 to 10 day. Therefore, it is not necessary to escalate the situation ahead of time; you will step as a provocateur.
        1. Nikolaitch
          Nikolaitch 4 February 2014 23: 57
          0
          accidentally put a minus but wanted a plus
          I agree with FIN hi
      2. shower
        shower 30 January 2014 12: 18
        0
        Who didn’t, maybe the locals muddied?
      3. Volodin
        30 January 2014 13: 00
        +3
        that's just the state employees did not receive a salary (Volgograd, Rostov)
        .
        What is this, interesting, month? If in January, I fully agree with the comment of the reader Fin.

        smells like what?

        It smells of provocation ...

        Well, if you have real data about the delay in the payment of salaries to state employees in the Volgograd and Rostov regions, then we are waiting for confirmation - we will prepare the relevant material and publish it with the provided links and quotes.
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 January 2014 13: 10
        +4
        Quote: 3935333
        and builders, and sellers, and scientists, and doctors, and industrialists, and teachers .... that's just the state employees did not receive a salary (Volgograd, Rostov) - the money in the ministries is mute,

        Stop whistling, every January there are always delays, change bills. All the money has been transferred for a long time and saying that the ministries do not have money is a lie. I have my ex at school and she already received the advance payment in January.
        1. 3935333
          3935333 30 January 2014 15: 27
          +2
          I'm not going to whistle! The teacher at the university didn’t get an advance from Senya Mother and said that do not wait yet (Rostov Region), the wife of a hunting brother (under the Ministry of Nature Protection (Volgograd) - said and did not wait before the end of February), godfather - OGUP Volgogradavtodor - gave before the New Year, advance payment for December - and there is no money for the paw.
          1. Volodin
            30 January 2014 15: 40
            +7
            Article 142 TK RF.
            The employer and / or the representatives of the employer authorized by him in the prescribed manner who have delayed the payment of wages to employees and other wage violations, are liable in accordance with this Code and other federal laws.

            In case of delayed payroll for more than 15 days employee has the right to, by notifying the employer in writing, suspend work for the entire period until payment of the delayed amount.

            Another thing is that we have so moved - to wait, wait, wait (at least 15 days, even 15 months) and be silent, blaming the Olympics, then the neighbor, then the Pope ...
            1. 3935333
              3935333 30 January 2014 17: 05
              +2
              Another thing is that we have so moved - to wait, wait, wait (at least 15 days, even 15 months) and be silent, blaming the Olympics, then the neighbor, then the Pope ...
              exactly!!! Was by the way at work a week ago at the Gremyachensky GOK near Kotnlnikovo (the GOK is being built by EuroChem) - people have not received salary since November ... they continue to work - they say they are used to it (they don’t pay for half a year - then booze, then again ... , and at large construction projects (including Olympic ones), salary delays are regular, regardless of the prosecutor's office or strikes. Budget workers have not been offended in recent years, although they did not pay much, and private companies, especially construction companies, are very severe case since 2009.
          2. Fin
            Fin 30 January 2014 15: 57
            +1
            Quote: 3935333
            Mother teacher at the university

            Which university, to which min-woo is it? Or what branch at the expense of payers?
            Quote: 3935333
            Kum - OGUP Volgogradavtodor

            Is the local budget here, is the budget law for 2014 adopted?
            Hunter - state. budget, receive on time.
            In each case, you need to understand, and not all in a heap with one guilty state and the Olympics.
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    2. valokordin
      valokordin 30 January 2014 12: 35
      0
      Quote: mabuta
      We will wait for the end of the Olympiad, and there we will see.

      The same thing remains, we are not yet free.
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  21. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 30 January 2014 10: 50
    +1
    Do not agree. And most likely they quarreled a little.
  22. Yaroslav
    Yaroslav 30 January 2014 11: 02
    +8
    GMOs for Russia? And this despite the fact that the demand for eco-products is growing on average by 20% per year. Experts predict that in 5-6 years, growth will reach 100%. It is not in vain that our farmers are sounding the alarm, because there is no potential in the production of eco-products as we have anywhere in the world, and there will be none. We could be leading suppliers of such products and compare revenue indicators with gas and oil. BUT NO! We’ll better buy Homno and will grow it all. This is the land of absurdity! Who benefits from this? Yes, so that he has a coy where a coy that has grown!
  23. dr.star75
    dr.star75 30 January 2014 11: 08
    +13
    Recently I rummaged through the network on the topic of GMOs, I even wanted to write on the VO site because of its significance, but everything was off topic (although food SAFETY!) So GMOs are worse in terms of destructive force than nuclear weapons. They wrote that after YaW only cockroaches and rats will remain, Even rats do not survive here. Our scientists, in my opinion, from Saratov S-KhI conducted an experiment: rats were fed normal food, only GMOs, and ordinary food + 10% GMOs. Result. About ordinary food - everything is within normal limits, GMOs - about 50% of baby rats were born dead, the rest were sharply behind in development, and most importantly, NOBODY was born to them. None! The third group of rats with 10% GMOs, the mortality of born rat pups somewhere in the middle, the survivors were lagging behind in development, they were aggressive, and after the rat-mum they were completely eaten. Those. The next generation is NOT! These results were published, Ours asked to recheck the experiment, but still silence ... Next. The fact that GMO-fed rats died earlier from cancer is understandable, but that’s not all. North America, India, and China already grow GMOs on an industrial scale: wheat, rapeseed, soybeans, corn, potatoes. The grown crop goes only for food and processing, it does not go for seeds, because does not germinate. Seeds need to be purchased again. Is it necessary to say that the largest GMO corporation MONSANTA is American. There was already a scandal in India when the crops did not sprout. Since GMO plants are stronger than cultivated plants, crowding out the latter is only a matter of time. And without new seeds - hunger. (From personal experience: last year they planted cucumbers, a German variety, out of 10 packs not a single shoot. Just yesterday I found out that he was GMO) Next, we have been eating GMO foods for a long time. All semi-finished products, sausages, and everything where there is soy and corn starch - GMO. The fact that the labels are written cool, only we do not yet have full-fledged laboratories for the determination of GMO components. Sorry to have a polybook, but it's boiling. You have to do something!
    1. aquatic
      aquatic 30 January 2014 15: 41
      -3
      rummaged around badly) otherwise your opinion would have changed)

      "our SCIENTISTS", "WE WILL HELP Saratov"))) there were no names there?)) you have heard, for example, about "Newton's Law" and about the law of "our scientists"?

      the whole experiment that you describe nonsense, its failure has been proven, as well as the failure of attacks on GMOs, write an article)
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 30 January 2014 16: 01
        +3
        In the words of Great Stalin, you are either a d.u.r.k. or an ENEMY. The results of the insolvency of the experiment in the studio, otherwise you are FUFLO!
        1. aquatic
          aquatic 30 January 2014 17: 16
          -1
          :))) write an article)) indicating the experiment of the authors)) and there will be a complete proof of its inconsistency to you)) we’ll see who the bullshit
        2. Raptor75
          Raptor75 30 January 2014 19: 32
          0
          Reading a biology or molecular genetics textbook and thinking YOUR head is probably hard for you?
    2. Egevich
      Egevich 30 January 2014 18: 06
      +2
      Here is another link about GMOs (below). A terrible thing - to say the least. This is a transgenic war. The decline in the population, the decline in the birth rate that had just begun was a bit, sick children, and cancerous tumors (not only among them). And it will be here if people remain inactive. We will be poisoned quietly. The seal is that the fields are clean and transgenically planted cross-pollinated and the clean fields mutate - they are infected with transgenes. http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/897465/
      https://secure.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Pravitelstvo_Rossiyskoy_Federacii_otmena_re
      sheniya_o_razreshenii_seyat_GMO_zernovye_v_Rossii /? tKaXOgb
  24. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 January 2014 11: 13
    0
    Maybe there is some benefit from these summits, only one thing is clear: sand the Eurobosses' smiles conceal their desire to "get into" the Russian economic and financial sphere. In doing so, they try to use a smoke screen. "WTO requirements". But they strictly observe their interests and do not think to allow Russia into their markets. So the question arises: do we need such summits? What is the use of them?
  25. Mails
    Mails 30 January 2014 11: 15
    +3
    Russia, succumbing to the pressure of the WTO, will be forced to remove the last barriers to the import of genetically modified and transgenic products from the same Europe, and in addition will be forced to allow the cultivation of transgenes on its territory.

    Never!
    Good summer house is. So I’ll grow potatoes myself. Right now, only gardening cucumbers and tomatoes.

    It’s threshing floor, let them eat themselves.
    1. shower
      shower 30 January 2014 12: 31
      +3
      and in winter? and seeds? half measures, not for everyone! And so for days at work, and also the weekend with a shovel and buckets, everything was bullied. Everyone should do their own thing and earn decent money in order to pay for the work of other people by buying the same potatoes without GMOs. Betrayal will be the permission of HUMNO with us.
    2. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 January 2014 12: 45
      +3
      The cottage is certainly good, but the GMO got to: sausages and meat products (even stew! There?% Soy, and it is almost 100% GMO. I only buy Belarusian stew, I do it myself. There is no soy in the fields, but the products are full, import! butter, if the fat content is less than 82%, almost 100% GMOs. On the label we read the composition, if we do not take anything other than cream! Cheese along the way all GMOs. Ketchups - if the corn starch-GMO thickener. and much, much .. .
  26. Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 30 January 2014 13: 23
    +1
    Quote: zart_arn
    In general, the summit was held in gallop mode

    The usual operational planning meeting.

    And here’s an unusual one. Putin went to Brussels, and for some reason everything in Ukraine immediately calmed down. Coincidence?
  27. denkastro
    denkastro 30 January 2014 13: 31
    -2
    In countries such as China and Israel, GMO technology is used because they really don't have enough farmland. There are a lot of such lands in Russia, so it is not advisable to use them for the production of GMO products. At the same time, allowing us to produce such food products, our farmers will be able to compete with foreigners in both our and the global market the price. Well, if in our country there is a demand for environmentally friendly products, then manufacturers will appear who will do this. And yet, GMO products are already being delivered to us in huge quantities, mainly from China, which are not certified either, but this law will at least bring some order. Sincerely.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 January 2014 14: 16
      0
      Sorry, but you are wrong. GMO plants DO NOT increase yield, for this selection is underway. GMO plants are allegedly trying to make it resistant to weed killers. Oh miracle! These herbicides are produced by those who do GMOs. Another coincidence?
      1. aquatic
        aquatic 30 January 2014 15: 49
        0
        do you know how selection is different from genetic modification?))) read be surprised))
        interestingly wrote about herbicides)) offhand give an example of whoever produces GMOs and a herbicide))

        and the most interesting question)) what is better genetically modified product without herbicides (and he does not need them, it is resistant to parasites)) or drenched with herbicides ??
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 30 January 2014 16: 13
          0
          Did you study at school? When selected from natural typesetting genetic traits, Combined appear. With GMO selection, the cockroach gene is introduced into the potato gene so that it does not eat. This is not a joke, This is such a variety! In all seriousness!
          1. aquatic
            aquatic 30 January 2014 17: 26
            +1
            studied))) and not only at school)) and you? read there from above you GENETIC from MSU wrote
            "I am a geneticist by profession, I graduated from our" MGushny "Department of Genetics, very serious specialists work and teach there, so you can trust them, in general - believe REAL scientists, and they say - GENETIC ORGANISMS ARE ABSOLUTELY SAFE !!!!!!


            And here's another thing - NO research confirming the alleged harm of GMOs - HAS BEEN CARRIED OUT !!!!! "
            look above find a post read)))))
            do not disgrace))
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 30 January 2014 22: 27
              -2
              Blatant lies, Research has already been done, I wrote the results, rebuttals to the studio!
              1. aquatic
                aquatic 31 January 2014 08: 16
                -2
                by whom? surnames in the studio, a link to a publication in a scientific journal. What to refute)))? will refute that do not hesitate to refute))
    2. aquatic
      aquatic 30 January 2014 15: 46
      -5
      you can get 50 kg of potato from a hundredth, or 200 kg of the same potato) or even better)) what do you choose? well, yes .. you choose to plant not 1 hundred parts but 4 and get 200 kg)) we have plenty of space))

      but the second part, finally, the right direction, we have land, we have crazy production costs, allow GMOs to be reduced thereby at times, and our farmers will overwhelm both China and Israel with their products))
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 30 January 2014 16: 18
        0
        Are you not afraid that they will find you? And they will make you eat GMOs?
        1. aquatic
          aquatic 30 January 2014 17: 27
          +1
          look))) feed
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 30 January 2014 22: 38
            0
            I suggest voluntarily eating GMOs
  28. runway
    runway 30 January 2014 14: 10
    +1
    Now, if only the GMO problem were solved at such summits, then indeed, they could not have been attended. But this is a tool for solving many world problems - Syria, Ukraine, etc., of no less scale. The European Union did not hear us this time either. Therefore, the summit ended on the same day. But does this mean that this is where it all ended with "the next operational planning meeting?" Not at all! We must use all available means to solve the problem in our favor. There is nowhere to retreat - Moscow is behind ...
  29. groin
    groin 30 January 2014 14: 17
    +5
    Fuck you (the West) GDP will be calculated with your European brains, washed and bribed by amers. You must be born, or live in Russia for a long time to at least understand us (scoops). They always considered kindness and mercy for weakness. Only when the turnover is complete they will receive the program (read the story), for their own meannesses and intrigues, they begin to whine and supposedly understand.
  30. Stinger
    Stinger 30 January 2014 16: 34
    +2
    The essence of the summit is that Putin was informed that one should not interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine. We, speaking, speaking with McCain and the Lithuanian lady on the Maidan, do not intervene and do not advise Putin. And therefore the final booze was canceled.
  31. Ross
    Ross 30 January 2014 17: 16
    +1
    Quote: kontrol
    there’s a problem at all. On the packages about GMOs you can’t even write slyly about GMOs, and when it comes to light, they forgot about eleven years later. And yet, with such areas of farmland, we don’t need any GIOs to increase the yield. Work and plow and sow, and you can fill up with the products of all. but GMO is just what you need to do nichrome not to do. at least with us.

    The saddest thing is that one of the aspects of the law that the government passed on GMOs is that it is now allowed not to write on the packaging about GMOs. That's the whole choice for the buyer.
  32. ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 30 January 2014 17: 59
    0
    Or maybe still open tank tours in Europe ??? With the opening of the hunting season in Germany ...
    In short - send them to some sort of mother with their crap!
    1. alone
      alone 30 January 2014 20: 45
      +1
      Quote: ekzorsist
      Or maybe still open tank tours in Europe ???


      Just see that the Red teams from the tank biathlon on this tour weren’t.
      otherwise they will create a multi-kilometer plug lol
  33. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 30 January 2014 18: 09
    +2
    aquatic RU
    ... the whole experiment that you describe nonsense, its failure has been proven, as well as the failure of attacks on GMOs, write an article)

    No, you personally - eat, even with GMOs, at least by itself .. Oh, why should people of the whole country be forced to eat this G ... Oh, against their will. I am sure that those who DO NOT go to gayrope will sign the "agreement" themselves, sorry, they will not eat GMO products with this!
    1. aquatic
      aquatic 30 January 2014 19: 02
      -3
      I don’t remember that someone forced someone to eat GMO, that products without GMO are trying to prohibit, or vice versa?)) who is trying to force whom to what? In my opinion, "products without GMO" are imposed)) do not need to be imposed) let everyone choose for himself, right?

      but about "even though GMO itself ...")))) this is the very thing .... the most natural product in it is not any GMO))) so bon appetit)
      Do not you think that the sharp with the stupid confuse no?
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 31 January 2014 06: 50
        +1
        "Darling", you should perfectly understand, judging by your deep knowledge of the products of processing by the gastrointestinal tract, that if products with your GMOs rush onto the shelves, buyers have no choice! Potatoes will not warn: - "I - with GMOs!" And if the consumed product has been "modified", then at the "output" you will receive the same "modified ...".
  34. Power
    Power 30 January 2014 18: 28
    +2
    It’s time to flee the cities until the sorcerers-scientists (as Sterligov says) poisoned everyone. belay
  35. aquatic
    aquatic 30 January 2014 18: 57
    0
    Quote: GorynychZmey78
    Yes, a living person in the taiga eating healthy food is a hundred times stronger and stronger than 1000 urban teenagers! ! !
    AND THIS IS NOT A REAL EVIDENCE! ! !

    so what's the problem then? forward to the taiga, live in a hut)) become stronger and healthier a hundred times)

    I do not advocate GMOs) and there was no thought) I am trying to convey to you the real situation) but there are no surnames) well, there are no names of scientists who proved harmful GMOs, many people shout GMOs are harmful, we believe we know scientists proved)) which scientists? who proved that?
    and you can feed your pets whatever you want, it’s excuse me not to relate to science))
  36. OPTR
    OPTR 30 January 2014 18: 58
    +3
    Quote: Albert1988
    GENE-MODIFIED ORGANISMS IS ABSOLUTELY SAFE !!!!!!
    ........
    The cockroach gene on potatoes is nonsense !!!!! Only a gene of another plant can be embedded in a plant !!!! and


    1. The term "Absolutely safe"already shows what kind of scientist you are.
    2. Is there only a plant gene in a plant?
    We read foreign deceivers (who wants to read foreign textbooks, and not "ours" look for yourself)
    and). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_tomato
    An early tomato was developed that contained an antifreeze gene (afa3) from the winter flounder
    b) who is this winter flounder?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_flounder
    The winter flounder, Pseudopleuronectes americanus, (also known as black back) is a right-eyed ("dextral") flatfish of the family Pleuronectidae.

    So, a tomato with a fish gene exists. Perhaps you, as a scientist, consider fish a plant?

    3. Potential danger - this is a possible problem in the future.
    But now GMOs are dangerous in that it is a capture of the market, because all these things are patented, payment and terms of use, the eradication of domestic cultures, create the conditions for the real capture of the market and the subsequent dictatorship of a foreign producer / owner of rights.
    Little is said about the ability to "turn on / off" the genes of an existing modified plant. But this is an uncontrollable influence on the harvest "if something happens."
    It will be cleaner than holes in Windows.
    1. Raptor75
      Raptor75 30 January 2014 19: 45
      0
      Give Wikipedia as an argument? Do not make me laugh. How and by whom it is written is known for a long time.
      With paragraph 3 I agree to all 100.
  37. samoletil18
    samoletil18 30 January 2014 19: 25
    +1
    This time they decided to meet one day and, in addition, refuse from any “gastronomy”

    Looks like they were specifically sick of the GDP, they didn’t even feed them. Although, maybe the crisis did not allow.
  38. shelva
    shelva 30 January 2014 22: 00
    0
    "Open the gates for the import of GMOs"? - completely crazy. For what such benefits from the WTO can be allowed to systematically destroy your people, are we really so tired of our managers.
    Products with GMOs are distributed to the starving in Africa in the form of humanitarian aid - so that they would not multiply. Recall the plague-infected blankets that Sam's good uncles handed out to the Indians.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 January 2014 22: 52
      +4
      May surprise you, but in Africa, the supply of GMO products is prohibited
  39. denkastro
    denkastro 30 January 2014 23: 57
    0
    Mdya GMOs are not GMOs, it’s harmful, useful, but the law is someone who reads. That's it. Some experts, damn it. Don’t like to buy with GMOs, but grow yourself. Many will refuse, it means there is a demand for organic products, there will be a steady demand, and those who will produce them will appear. Economy. At least one thing that now must be mandatory certification on GMOs not only of our products, but also of imports. And if someone turns on the brain, then he will understand that this is a plus.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 31 January 2014 20: 46
      +2
      Are you sure that substitutions are excluded? Genetically modified products will be sold under the guise of environmentally friendly products. The product itself, unfortunately, is silent, will not tell the "pedigree".
  40. shelva
    shelva 31 January 2014 16: 49
    0
    And what ?, on all products containing GMOs sold in Russia their contents are indicated? I know a lot of examples of the opposite.
  41. denkastro
    denkastro 31 January 2014 21: 22
    0
    Quote: dr.star75
    May surprise you, but in Africa, the supply of GMO products is prohibited
    You surprised me! All my life I considered Africa a continent and not a state. belay
  42. denkastro
    denkastro 31 January 2014 21: 29
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    Quote: ia-ai00
    Are you sure that substitutions are excluded? Genetically modified products will be sold under the guise of environmentally friendly products. The product itself, unfortunately, is silent, will not tell the "pedigree".
    You have correctly noticed everything, moreover, this is happening now, but when the legislative framework is in place, it will become much more difficult to fraud. For example, remember what happened with the delay 5 years ago, now it’s much better (at least people now look at the dates on the package). Compared with the previous option, the bill on the registration of GMOs has not changed much, but it has been supplemented by a huge piece of registration not only GMOs, but also products containing GMOs.