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United Europe is waiting for the parade of sovereignties

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Modern Europe has faced a crisis not only social and economic: the Western countries are haunted by the specter of separatism. The world's most famous problems are Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain, Brittany and Corsica in France, Scotland and Wales in the United Kingdom, and southern regions in Italy. In addition, in Eastern Europe there are a number of problems associated with irredentism and ethnic conflict. For example, Romania does not know what to do with the local Hungarians, Croatia with the Serbs, Bulgaria with the Turks. Will the EU not repeat the fate of the Soviet Union? Could it be shaken by ethnic unrest and war, as it had happened in fourteen fraternal republics?

As industrial civilization is losing traditional society

In modern crisis Europe, when the allied bodies have demonstrated their inconsistency, it has become useless to appeal to Brussels. And everyone understands this: the heads of European states, the opposition, and the people. All problems need to be solved on their own, internationalism and gratuitous help to someone is not in the spirit of a pragmatic Europe.

Therefore, in many countries, far-right parties are beginning to enjoy particular popularity. Under normal conditions, they gain no more than 5-10 percent of the vote, quietly seated in their seats in parliament and do not interfere with more serious uncles to do their work. But now, when the credibility of supporters of close European integration has been undermined, and the very idea of ​​a united Europe has lost its former attractiveness, voters are increasingly choosing to give their votes to those parties that are oriented toward building a powerful national state, and not those who want to turn the country into a powerless state The province of a huge empire with its capital in Brussels.

In addition, patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. And European populists know about it. In order to get the cherished seats in the parliaments and cabinets of ministers, they are ready to go over to the side of the right, pulling their supporters and sponsors behind them.

And then, when the “patriots” came to power, it turned out that the nations are not so homogeneous as it may seem at first glance. Actually, the national state is the child of the industrial society. Nationalism is a very young ideology: for the first time, it was seriously spoken about only in the period of the revolutions of 1848-1849. National states in the Balkans appeared even later - in the 1861-1912 years, and in Central Europe in general in the 1918-1920 years. It turns out that many nations are incredibly young, and have not yet reached their maturity. This is evidenced, for example, by the separation of Czechoslovakia and the war in Yugoslavia: perhaps Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavs would become monolithic peoples, but, alas, this required too much time, and Prague and Belgrade did not have it.

And now the representatives of one of the people often speak different dialects, are at different stages of socio-economic development, living under different environmental conditions, practice several religions. Of course, industrialization and urbanization equalize everyone, but for this you need to change a few generations. In addition, in many parts of Europe industrialization is inappropriate: first of all, it concerns the northern territories and agricultural areas of the south.

At the same time, in poorly urbanized regions with a poorly developed economy, remnants of a pre-industrial society may persist. The brightest example is the south of Italy, where agriculture is a traditional type of economic activity. There are strong clans, reborn in the conditions of the modern state in the famous mafia. In the north, on the contrary, industry is developed and there are many large cities - melting pots for local and visiting Italians, who mix here, lose their attachment to their native places and loyalty to the traditions - in a word, “they civilize”. In the south, confusion does not occur, nothing violates the archaic way of life here.

Similar trends can also be observed in other regions covered by the idea of ​​separatism. But, of course, every case is unique, and each region must speak separately.

As European institutions promote separatism

An important factor in the collapse of nations was the entry of many countries into the European Union: states delegated part of their sovereignty to an external organization. This means that Italy, France, Germany, Great Britain and other countries have transformed from full-fledged national states to ordinary regions inhabited by Italians, French, Germans, English, and ruled from the outside. By historical by the standards, many of these countries are very young, they are not yet 150 years old. Italy, Germany, Belgium, Spain, not fully matured, hastened to surrender to the hands of a supranational organization - the European Union, having lost their sovereignty and put an end to national construction.
United Europe is waiting for the parade of sovereignties
The final collapse of nations is only slowed down by the invasion of foreigners from the Middle East and Eastern Europe. Northern Italians would have quarreled with the South long ago, if they had not seen how they, together with their potential enemies, are very different from Arabs, Romanians and Turks. The external threat makes the northerners and southerners feel like a single, though not monolithic. The same applies to Germany, where each federal state, in fact, represents an independent state with its own traditions and peculiarities, France, where northerners and southerners traditionally bite each other, Belgium, Spain.

Great Britain is a separate question: the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh are ethnically far from the British, and there the actual question is not about the formation of a single nation of several subethnos, but about the national liberation struggle. Britain is just the remnant of a once mighty empire, and the nations enslaved by it want freedom.

It seems, 21 century marked the emergence of new Celtic countries in Western Europe. Ireland was able to achieve independence in the early last century, and now it was the turn of Scotland, Wales and Brittany. These four regions were conquered by the Anglo-Saxons as early as the Middle Ages, and are under the authority of the British and French about three or four centuries. Despite this, the locals managed to retain its identity, successfully resisting assimilation.

Nuclear Scotland

In the Celtic regions, a lull still prevails: in the 20 century, the strongest armed struggle of local separatist groups against London and Paris took place here. The Irish Republican Army and the Liberation Front of Brittany were best known for this struggle. But now the “hawks” have given way to the “pigeons”: the Celtic peoples realized that independence can be achieved peacefully, especially when the sovereignty of Great Britain and France is limited by the European Union, and the range of possibilities among the governments of both countries has sharply narrowed. A pioneer in this business is Scotland, where a referendum on secession from the UK will take place in 2016.

Spain has its own recalcitrant region - Catalonia. Scientists do not know who to consider the Catalans - a subethnos of the Spaniards or an independent people. But, in any case, Catalonia is on the verge of independence. The same can be said about Italians: there are such Italian dialects that they can be recognized as separate languages. The millennial division of the peninsula into many small states has certainly contributed to the formation of different communities in every corner of the region, and the country created by Garibaldi is, in fact, artificial.

In northern Spain acts Basque separatist group ETA. The Basques, like the Celts, in fact, conquered by foreigners. If the Catalans can still be seen as a people, ethnically close to the Spaniards, the Basques in Spain are completely alien. Their language has nothing to do with Romance languages.

If, nevertheless, separatists in Western Europe succeed in achieving independence, the problem will appear: what to do with the new states? Take them into the European Union and NATO? On the one hand, in the young countries laws that are generally accepted for the EU will already be in force, on the other hand, the former metropolises will not want the separatist regions to be included in the union. And it's not a fact that the Catalans, the Scots and other nations will want to be friends with a depressed and crisis-ridden Europe.

In addition, the attainment of independence by some regions will lead to a strong weakening of the metropolises. For example, the UK turned into a secondary state, as recently warned George Robertson, former Secretary General of NATO. It is curious that the UK is a nuclear base in Scotland. It turns out that in the case of an independent Scotland in the world will have another nuclear state, just as it did in the case of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan?
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  1. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 29 January 2014 09: 08
    +14
    Who would doubt it. It’s just that you don’t feed bread with maydauns - give me wherever you go. And the local ones were already screaming, now they would have eaten. Only the geyropa is in no hurry to feed ...
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 29 January 2014 09: 57
      0
      Quote: Old_Kapitan
      Only the geyropa is in no hurry to feed ...

      Of course not in a hurry, because gays and experiences sit on reinforced soldering! And strength for games and growth oh how much is needed!
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 29 January 2014 12: 50
        +2
        pancake
        they will then have to draw a second circle of stars fellow
        1. AVV
          AVV 29 January 2014 15: 03
          +2
          Quote: Aryan
          pancake
          they will then have to draw a second circle of stars fellow

          And the background, and so blue, corresponds to the geyrop !!!
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      3. mirag2
        mirag2 30 January 2014 08: 17
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        On the subject: Europe will not fall apart, the Germans will use their influence on the EU economy, and other presidents + the government will not roll cotton wool, like Yanukovych, they will immediately crush the separatists, well, they are like with posters, demanding a better life, they will be economically pinched by the power there in the "European Parliament".
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  2. RUSS
    RUSS 29 January 2014 09: 26
    +6
    The actions of the West in relation to Yugoslavia and the USSR, led to the boomerang effect, all the evil that they threw out at us, their manic policy of collapse, now come across them. What they have sown with us will be reaped at home. And there will be Europe, as in the Middle Ages, a patchwork quilt.
  3. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 29 January 2014 09: 28
    +3
    Europe is not waiting for a parade of sovereignty but a parade of P.I.D.O.R.O.V. There, the whole of Europe has long been saturated with a gay idea and has become a Geyropa. And he is also trying to impose his criminal plans on Russia. Brazenly climb into Ukraine, where I hope all the same they will get on the hill.
  4. wk-083
    wk-083 29 January 2014 09: 30
    0
    Not everyone wants to live in a gay union!
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 29 January 2014 09: 32
    +2
    Strictly speaking, the sovereignty parade did not benefit either the countries of the former Union or the states of Eastern Europe. You can’t expect anything good from tearing up Europe either, only the States will benefit from such processes ...
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 29 January 2014 13: 51
      +2
      Bzezhinski's words “Divide and rule” extend beyond the Warsaw Pact and former Yugoslavia. They can be perfectly applied to colonies - satellites like the same gamerope.

      And by the way, England should not be underestimated. This little guy on the map drank so much of our blood that the destruction of England on our part is the very minimum.
      On their hands is blood, if not billions, then hundreds of millions of people - THIS IS A FACT!
      Russia should help the Scots in gaining freedom. For one, you can try to strip the Britons of a base with nuclear submarines in Scotland. It will be fun, elsie eventually England will become part of Scotland lol
      1. vyatom
        vyatom 29 January 2014 14: 10
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        Quote: silver_roman
        Bzezhinski's words “Divide and rule” extend beyond the Warsaw Pact and former Yugoslavia. They can be perfectly applied to colonies - satellites like the same gamerope.

        Actually, this is how the British colonial policy was characterized in the 19th century.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 29 January 2014 21: 12
          0
          it is possible that Brzezinski stole this phrase. No wonder. they tend to award themselves that which they never had, like a decisive contribution to victory in World War II!
  6. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 29 January 2014 09: 34
    +2
    By the way, European countries are very worried about Russian gays and political prisoners
    The Russian authorities can arrange the issuance of certificates to everyone who wants to leave Russia
    For example, also to the Dagestanis, Uzbeks, Chechens, etc., etc.
    nahai join European values
    and Chechens will teach everyone in Europe how to fight for independence
    1. Combitor
      Combitor 29 January 2014 10: 19
      +5
      Quote: kostyanich
      and Chechens will teach everyone in Europe how to fight for independence

      Imagine a Chechen wedding crossing the Champs Elysees in Mercians and scorching from car windows.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 29 January 2014 13: 53
        +1
        Quote: Kombitor
        on "merci"

        not no, on tinted priors with chopped racks painted in gold lol
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman 29 January 2014 13: 52
      +1
      so you look at the then migrating Chechens to Germany! they don’t know what to do with them.
  7. kirgudu
    kirgudu 29 January 2014 09: 55
    0
    About the United States of Pindostana would be interesting to read.
    True, they will shoot all the maydauns quickly ...
  8. zeksus
    zeksus 29 January 2014 09: 59
    0
    There they and the road !!!! Not everyone, apparently, likes this European Union with its gays and lesbians, flavored with a sauce of total lebralism and ubiquitous democracy !!!
  9. Combitor
    Combitor 29 January 2014 10: 09
    0
    Europe is bursting at the seams! Apparently, soon there will be more independent states there than before the European Union. It would not hurt "Madanutym" to think with their chicken brains what they are doing and where they are going. Who needs them in FIG. Europe itself would have to hold on, not to crumble. And then the freeloaders will pile up with Molotov cocktails, fittings and rubber tires. Such "friends" are good at a distance in a neighboring state, but not to themselves.
  10. maratenok
    maratenok 29 January 2014 10: 27
    +2
    Russia urgently needs to help the Basque, Catalan and Scots
  11. Igor39
    Igor39 29 January 2014 10: 35
    0
    It is necessary to help Europeans undermine the economy by various methods, to support separatism from other sources, there are no normal ones except Serbs, the rest can be considered as workers for sending to Siberia, they so dream of its wealth.
  12. Shdo
    Shdo 29 January 2014 10: 47
    +5
    I have always read articles of this Author with interest. But now the article is perhaps beautifully designed. All its contents are transfusions from empty to empty of the same information, assumptions and forecasts.
    Think about this, dear public:
    1. how can a state such as Brittany, which is indicated in the beautiful picture in the article, be an independent state? My answer is the same as Kosovo, South Ossetia, Transnistria, Abkhazia and other Scotland.
    2. Since the dwarf state is not a priori self-sufficient, both economically and in the field of security, who will provide it? Who benefits? My answer is to the EU itself and profitable.

    ps
    Dear readers, before rejoicing at the "collapse" and indignant at the "pedagogy", remember what happened to us not so long ago, but rather take a look at what is with us now. And to rejoice in other people's failures, degradation and extinction is low and not worthy of any person, especially a Russian. You need to learn from enemies, opponents and "partners" so as not to repeat their mistakes, and not to mock.
    Think about it, please.
  13. 222222
    222222 29 January 2014 11: 25
    +2
    ShDO RU Today, 10:47 "And rejoicing in other people's failures, degradation and extinction is low and not worthy .."
    certainly worthy of all of Europe to go to the USSR in 1941, all of Europe, led by the owner, to bombard the flourishing Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya ... Push the crazy Mishiko to genocide his own people in South Ossetia ... Actions worthy of the most moral West. . is not it ?
    They beat you on the left cheek - put the right one ??? And how do you like the Russian proverbs: "Sow the wind - you will reap the storm"., "Don't dig another hole - you will get into it yourself" ...
    The West is bursting at the seams, not because someone imposes on it or rejoices .. People are beginning to understand that the existing system is taking away from them age-old identity, their roots, their difference from other peoples ........ "the right of nations on self-determination up to secession "and the creation of their own national states .. This, as I understand it, is a response to imposed globalization ...
    1. Shdo
      Shdo 29 January 2014 12: 38
      +1
      222222 UA Today, 11: 25
      certainly worthy of all of Europe to go to the USSR in 1941, all of Europe, led by the owner, to bombard the flourishing Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya ... Push the crazy Mishiko to genocide his own people in South Ossetia ... Actions worthy of the most moral West. . is not it ?
      do not distort. I talked only about rhetoric, not about actions. About crude verbiage, which is more and more in the comments.
      As for the actions you listed - this is our life, we must know this and always remember. I also meant this when I wrote: “You need to learn from enemies, opponents and“ partners ”so as not to repeat their mistakes, and not to mock.” But it is unworthy to stoop to insults. The Internet relieves us of responsibility for words, you can offend anyone and in any way and nothing will happen. This is the flip side of internet freedom and anonymity. But we must remember that the reverse side of any freedom is corruption. And no, I'm not a moralist, not a sectarian, not a priest. I just know what corruption leads to as an individual and society as a whole. Remember the Roman Empire and beyond.
  14. Sochi
    Sochi 29 January 2014 11: 55
    0
    The trouble with Europe is that the contradictions have been accumulating for centuries, and not one of them has been resolved. We all united artificially, in principle, there was the task of a single currency and a single control center for this currency. The economics and social policies of individual states did not bother anyone. In the first crises, it crawled out, and there were a lot of dissatisfied at once ... It’s hard to say how it ends, I think that they will run away with time, and it’s good if there is no blood.
  15. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 29 January 2014 12: 15
    0
    Europe will be united by a real threat. The Islamists will most likely appoint a small provocation in the spirit of 39 years, but which will have an unexpected effect, but in general will become smaller and better for the people and order will appear with a return to traditional values ​​(carriers will be cleaned up). Wangyu.
  16. 120352
    120352 29 January 2014 12: 15
    +1
    Europe has much more chances to crumble than the USSR had at one time. If our country naturally expanded through the voluntary annexation of new territories, as a rule, at their urgent requests and insistence for a thousand years, then United Europe turned out to be an artificial construction, acquired for euros from societies that are different in civilization. If the concept of "Russian civilization" is recognized and standardized, then no European civilization has emerged as a result of the hasty unification of some European countries (see S. Huntington. Conflict of Civilizations). The next moment, if our country is still replete with resources, including land, then there are no resources in Europe. Judging by this, the EU was created as a temporary structure for solving specific problems. The main one is the destruction of our civilization. But civilizations are not created artificially and cannot be destroyed as separate states due to the existence of civilizational inertia. A striking example of this is the speech used by the Westerners on the Maidan. It was a RUSSIAN speech.
    Does Europe speak the same language? No. Each nation retains its own language and identity. It is the preservation of identity that is already becoming the cause of the collapse of the impoverished Europe.
    I won’t be surprised if Europe soon asks to join our civilization. By the way, American political analysts anticipate this and are afraid of it. So the CE will disintegrate without having solved the task assigned to it.
    1. Shdo
      Shdo 29 January 2014 12: 45
      0
      Gumilev, however, considered Europe a civilization. And the problem of this civilization is precisely in the fact that it has departed from its roots and in the last 60 years has absorbed elements that it is not able to quickly assimilate.
      The EU can and will break up, but nothing will change for us - Russophobes, as they ran in the minds, will continue. And this is the main danger that our country and society have always underestimated. In addition, if an even greater moral and intellectual decline occurs, Russophobic tendencies will only intensify.
  17. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 29 January 2014 12: 16
    0
    Already talked about this. Some tear, others fall apart as if by themselves. The trend however. There was one post about the benefits of the Americans. We probably also, if about Europe (it’s still not decided yet), in the case, God will, if we ourselves are whole. This is me, by the way, about joys and a windstorm.
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    2. Tamparu
      Tamparu 29 January 2014 12: 30
      0
      “What we fought for, we ran into it” is a good Russian proverb, isn't it? hi
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 29 January 2014 12: 48
        0
        Quote: TampaRU
        “What we fought for, we ran into it” is a good Russian proverb, isn't it?

        I like the other more:
        The West falls into the pit of separatism that has been dug for the East.
  18. Andrey A
    Andrey A 29 January 2014 13: 47
    0
    Now we will see how nice it is (the collapse of the country) wink
  19. vanaheym
    vanaheym 29 January 2014 14: 26
    0
    It is also worth noting that Britain does not have control systems for nuclear weapons similar to Kazbek, so it is quite possible that Scotland will be able to gain access to control of nuclear weapons, unlike Ukraine and Belarus, which did not have their own "button", which was located in Moscow ...
  20. I think so
    I think so 29 January 2014 14: 30
    0
    Dividing states into smaller ones is a very wise policy. At a time when the entire planet has come under the control of the "global elite" the most expedient behavior will be the division of large states into smaller ones based on arbitrary characteristics. Division signs can be - national, religious, linguistic, territorial, etc. generally ANY. Now we are observing this process. The "global elite" take care of the future of their dominion. Smaller countries with limited resources are easier to govern. The leaders of such countries, if they are adequate, will always obey the minimum hints (the introduction of some kind of sanctions or embargo). Those who are inadequate in small countries are easy to either shoot or give to the "indignant opposition". I suppose that to manage the "global elite" you need ONE SUPER POWERFUL AND COMPLETELY CONTROLLED country and a bunch of small and weak dependent countries. And then there will be no alternative to dominion and no fundamental possibility of destroying even inadequate leadership of the whole world. This is what the "global elite" is striving for. Therefore, soon there will be destruction of ALL LARGE states. Including China, Russia, India, Brazil into smaller ones. Perhaps European countries are also "pinching" - but this is not because of an urgent need, but to prevent excesses within themselves ...
    1. Old scoop
      Old scoop 29 January 2014 15: 18
      0
      Come on. For so many years, Russia, then Russia only grew with the earth, until two zats and a company were destroyed for centuries, and everything was fine. Under the Union, they generally did not infringe on nationality. You might think small is more difficult to manage. It's just that every louse wants to grab a piece of power for itself, to be a fat leech, so to speak, in a small puddle. You should study history, it teaches a lot, only careless students come across.
  21. Old scoop
    Old scoop 29 January 2014 15: 06
    0
    Let them split up. How many centuries we are not allowed to live in peace. Still, the staff would have collapsed into the open lands and there was no limit to joy.
  22. Firebox
    Firebox 29 January 2014 16: 08
    +1
    He stayed on this site for about a year and how tired, every month or week they write that the west is about to fall apart, their new plane is utterly dumb and the planes of Russia are better and all that sort of thing .... DO NOT YOU TIRED?!? !
  23. propolsky
    propolsky 29 January 2014 16: 29
    0
    This is how it should be, the epidemic to look for a difference between one part of the population and another for some reason is characteristic of just a person, and not just those living in the east or another part of the world. The collapse of the Union showed that divorce in the corners does not always lead to an increase in the economy, culture and living standards. I hope we are already gorging on this "happiness", but for Europe ... Let them think about their values: from family and marriage to life in a united Europe.
  24. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 29 January 2014 16: 42
    0
    The Romanian media call on the country's leadership to prepare for a military intervention in Ukraine to protect the "Romanian territories" - Northern Bukovina and Southern Bessarabia. "Ukraine is on the verge of a civil war. The division of the country into a pro-European West and a pro-Russian East is not at all excluded," the Romanian newspaper Adevarul reported on January 26. "Is Romania ready to intervene to protect the Romanians of Northern Bukovina and Southern Bessarabia?" - the edition asks.

    “Ukraine is an artificial, heterogeneous state that appeared on the ruins of the USSR, with almost 24 years of history, against which Romania has the largest territorial claims, may split in two in the near future,” continues Adevarul. “Conflict with the pro-European opposition, resolved by violent administration of Yanukovych, is quietly sliding towards a real civil war. "

    Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1759244.html#ixzz2rn4nF417


    I don’t understand one thing, but the gypsies are where they climb. It seems that Europe is waiting for Ukraine to plunge into a civil war. What does Klitschko’s miracle achieve with a company of scumbags. Then everyone will begin to pinch Ukraine into pieces, you look there and Poland will show that some of the lands were originally theirs.
  25. kafa
    kafa 29 January 2014 18: 32
    0
    I’ll buy stewed vodka, I’ll wear Budenovka boots and watch a reality show codenamed PI .. DEC smile
  26. Leshka
    Leshka 29 January 2014 18: 37
    0
    flag in their hands
  27. shelva
    shelva 29 January 2014 18: 38
    0
    Leading European countries have always been sick with the formations of different unions, expansions at the expense of neighbors, the inclusion of foreign territories and other "Anschluss", but their inherent exorbitant selfishness does not contribute to the calm coexistence of different peoples (and they are constantly squabbling about themselves) and as a result - the collapse ... This is about states that have existed for centuries, what can you expect about such an artificial union as the EU?
  28. iulai
    iulai 29 January 2014 18: 49
    0
    Do not hope gentlemen, Ukraine will not fall apart. The local people are simply tired of crooks and thieves sitting in power! Here is our media, and it is dragged that Western Ukrainians organized the Maidan. Kiev is a Russian-speaking city, and most of the participants in the Maidan were students! And how cleverly our media found the organizers and the perpetrators! Here our crooks and thieves lead away from the main question, against whom did the people come out? The people of Ukraine came out against crooks and thieves! That is why the people wanted in the EU, and did not want in an alliance with Russia, because to change, only time to lose.
  29. kind
    kind 29 January 2014 19: 36
    0
    Soon, both Europe and America will lose the ideological struggle, and then black times will come for them and all this fagotism will try to rush to Russia and Belarus, i.e. to where there is humanity. Well, you don’t have to worry about Belarus, they won’t let these freaks go, but for Russia it’s very exciting! It would be necessary to tighten immigration laws.
  30. alone
    alone 29 January 2014 20: 15
    +2
    Quote: Good
    Soon, both Europe and America will lose the ideological struggle, and then black times will come for them and all this fagotism will try to rush to Russia and Belarus, i.e. to where there is humanity. Well, you don’t have to worry about Belarus, they won’t let these freaks go, but for Russia it’s very exciting! It would be necessary to tighten immigration laws.


    The first part of the comment, namely
    Quote: Good
    Soon, both Europe and America will lose the ideological struggle, and then black times will come for them

    I already hear about 35 years old, but this damned rainy day doesn’t want to come
  31. parus2nik
    parus2nik 29 January 2014 20: 28
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    The magazine "Novoye Vremya" wrote about these problems in the 70s ... a whole series of articles was, for each country in each issue ... The magazine, by the way, was weekly ... But somehow it did not grow together ... but we will wait for 2016 ..the referendum in Scotland .. if there is a ride .. it will be an interesting situation .. By the way, it will be exactly 100 years since the empires in Europe began to collapse, and new states were formed .. And history, develops in a spiral .. wait .. time will tell. ...
  32. crambol
    crambol 29 January 2014 20: 59
    0
    The separativist movements themselves do not arise. The smallest sneeze in any area begins to be supported by striped puppeteers. United Europe, if not a bone in the throat of America, so a sliver in the ass. Market competition is making it extremely difficult for the United States to merge its products. In addition, China is clogging all markets. So long ears stick out from across the ocean. Only am-tsam benefits the collapse of Europe into microscopic areas that consume overseas goods. Economics rules politics!
    1. Sour
      Sour 29 January 2014 21: 14
      0
      Quote: crambol
      In addition, China is clogging all markets.

      In fact, the world's leading economies are highly interconnected, and competition there does not look so simple.
      The Chinese economy is a continuation of the American and European. It does not oppose the US and the EU, as some people think.
      For example, China is a world leader in textile manufacturing. But their textile industry is more than half dependent on cotton imports, with the United States as the main supplier.
      (The collapse of the Chinese textile industry is beneficial to the Americans? What do you think?)
      China leads steelmaking. But its metallurgy works on imported ore from Brazil and Australia, the production of which is largely controlled by American capital.
      The Chinese auto industry is predominantly export-oriented. The most profitable part of it is controlled by foreign capital - Volkswagen, Daimler-Chrysler, General Motors, Toyota, etc.
      Etc. These are just three examples offhand.
  33. Sour
    Sour 29 January 2014 21: 00
    +1
    Why is there so much calf joy about separatism in Europe?
    What is this to us?
    Well, suppose Flanders, Catalonia, Scotland, etc. get independence. etc .. And what will this give Russia? What did Russia have from the collapse of Czechoslovakia, for example? Absolutely nothing - neither for the better, nor for the worse. And from the collapse of Spain or Britain, our people will not live better.
    The article is an occasion for reflection and analysis. And there is nothing to rejoice about.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 30 January 2014 00: 51
      +1
      Yes, in my opinion, everything is very clear here. Some thinking nations began to open their eyes and move their brains. And people begin to understand that what is being said is something. what is being done is two very big differences.
      Be quiet; and you, like me, are sinful
      And you will break every word;
      In a strange pi ... e you see a straw,
      and you don’t see logs at home!
      So in the words of A.S. Pushkin I would like to characterize the moral teachings of the "enlightened" West in relation to the Russians and Belarusians. Considering the positions in which Ukraine has, it seems that it has sold ... So to talk about who will get what from the changes on the geographical map, I would be wary of Russia. Otherwise, it's not even an hour we'll follow our sister to the panel of democratic and rainbow reforms.
      That's just 90s enough for me ...