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Martyrs of the 21st Century

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Martyrs of the 21st Century

According to Patriarch Cyril, the persecution of Christians continues in the modern world: for example, about a hundred thousand people have been killed over the past year, and this is without taking Syria into account. Moreover, the primate is sure that this situation is not properly reflected in the world media. Who and where persecutes Christians for their faith, understood the newspaper VIEW.


“Christianity is still being persecuted in many places on the planet. According to statistics, more than 2012 thousands of Christians were killed in the 100 year, and about 2013 thousands in the 70 year. Innocent people are killed only because they are Christians. At the same time, it is impossible to include in this statistics the number of our co-religionists who died in Syria, where the armed conflict has lasted for three years, ”said the patriarch at the opening of the Christmas readings in Moscow. Listing the countries in which Christians are persecuted, Cyril, in addition to Syria, also called Libya, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka. But in fact, these countries are much more.

Crafty numbers

Starting a conversation about the persecution and murder of Christians, inevitably come across problems with the counting methodology. Is the terrorist attacks committed in Volgograd and Boston considered killing Christians, for example? On the one hand, the terrorists were Islamists, and the majority of their victims were Christians, on the other hand, people were generally targeted, regardless of their religiosity or religious affiliation (the attack itself was important).

Another example: civilian massacre in black Africa, where Christians are killed by Muslims, as, indeed, and vice versa. The cause of such conflicts is often political or tribal opposition, i.e. a person is killed for belonging to a people or a party, and not to faith, but at the same time the opposing tribe may also profess a different religion, including intentionally, so as not to have anything in common with the enemies. Or take the Christian Philippines. Only on the island of Mindanao since 1970, a half dozen Catholic priests were deliberately killed. However, the radicals from the separatist group of the Islamic Moro Liberation Front can be the killers, as well as the tycoons of the local mining companies, which are often opposed by the priests, defending their flock.

Whatever it was, the figures voiced by the patriarch coincide, for example, with the data of the Italian sociologist and coordinator of the Observatory on Religious Freedom Massimo Introvigne - 70 thousands in 2013, 100 thousands in 2012. At the same time, the OSCE Council already talks about the 105 of thousands of Christians killed in 2013, while the Vatican calls the number in 170 thousands. That is, 100 thousands can be called minimal data.

There is also a tendency towards an increase in violence against Christians, observed not for the first year. As early as the beginning of 2011, PACE and the European Parliament adopted a resolution condemning discrimination against Christians in the modern world. A little later, the Italian Foreign Minister announced that ending the persecution of Christians should be the top priority of world leaders. However, since then, the position of Christians in countries where they are minorities has only deteriorated.

Winter has come

The most problematic for Christians is the region of the Maghreb and the Middle East, mired in revolutions and counter-revolutions. Previously, the almost unshakable, but later overthrown dictatorships were mostly secular in nature, they valued order above all else and put tough pressure on pro-Islamic forces, reasonably considering them as their main competitors in the struggle for power. You could say it all started with Iraq. Before Saddam Hussein’s removal by the international coalition, under the leadership of the United States, more than one and a half million Christians lived in the country. Now there are more than ten times fewer Christians in Iraq, a significant part of them emigrated, fleeing from the "epidemic of terrorist attacks" and the armed confrontation between Shiites and Sunnis, others fell victim to Islamic radicals.

Islamists under state pressure were also the main driving force of the revolution in Egypt. After the victory of the “rebellious Tahrir” and the resignation of Mubarak, pogroms began in the neighborhoods inhabited by Christians - the Copts. And although secular, liberal activists of the “Arab Spring” regularly organized actions of solidarity with the Copts, directly protecting them from the attack of the radicals, this did not help much. Subsequently, the Egyptian Christians and secular forces joined the counter-revolution of the Egyptian generals, who, on the one hand, partially restored the dictatorship, on the other - the number of attacks on Christians really decreased.

In Libya, where the "spring" turned into a full-scale war, there were relatively few Christians - 60 thousand, now only half of them remained (the vast majority have emigrated). Another thing - Syria, where Christians made up about 10% of the population (that is, more than two million people), and the war still continues. The killings of priests, the burning of churches, attacks on Christian neighborhoods, religious cleansing - for present-day Syria, in some regions of which jihadists rule, this, unfortunately, is routine. In the city of Maalyulya, militants broke into the old monastery of St. Equal-to-the-Apostolic Thecla and took 12 nuns hostage, including the prioress (their whereabouts are still unknown).

After the shelling of the Orthodox monastery, located north of Damascus, the Anglican priest Nadim Nassar voiced an appeal to the world, calling for a halt to the massacre of fellow believers. “Hundreds of thousands of Christians in Syria had to leave their homes. Many of them were killed. Some are missing, for example, two bishops from Aleppo. We don't know anything about them, ”he said. According to Nassar, the government of Bashar al-Assad only declares the protection of Christians, without actually undertaking anything, while the opposition completely “closes its eyes to the fact that al Qaeda and the Islamists are attacking mainly Christians”.

If the Syrian jihadists succeed, the situation for Christians will become catastrophic. Suffice it to recall how things are in particularly zealous Islamic countries. In Saudi Arabia, for example, it is forbidden to practice Christianity (as well as other religions other than Islam), the Bible can be sent to prison, and Muslims converted to Christianity are sentenced to death. And in Sudan in 2012 about half a million people were deprived of citizenship only on the basis of their Christian religion, most of them were squeezed out of the country, some were killed. However, in the case of Sudan, it is not just religious intolerance, but in the long-term bloody confrontation with Christian South Sudan, which sought security through the department. The forcible eviction of Christians was associated with the provision of independence to the separatists.

Black continent

Black Africa, more precisely, those countries through which the "religious equator" passes, is another high-risk region. Many black peoples living next to the Arabs converted to Islam, whereas the more southern nations mostly profess Christianity or traditional cults inherited from the colonialists. Civil war in one form or another is a frequent phenomenon here, but even when it occurs between groups practicing different religions, the main factor for the massacre may still be ethnic origin, as already mentioned above.

In the CAR in 2012, an Islamic group seized power, and since then, chaos has reigned in the republic, with which - so far without much success - the military from France and the countries of the African Union are trying to cope. The main victims of the coup were Christians, who responded, in turn, with terror against Muslims. Now the militants of rival gangs control different regions of the country, carrying out killings on both religious and ethnic grounds. Moreover, in a number of cases, to call nominal Christians Christians do not turn the language. So, in early January, in the capital of the country - Bangui - the crowd literally tore one of the bus passengers, finding him a Muslim, after which the initiator of the execution ate the leg of his victim. Only after that the military decided to disperse the crowd of vigilantes.

In Nigeria, where the northern states are populated by Muslims and live according to Sharia law, the group “Boko Haram” received sad glory, the victims of which since 2009 have been about 2800 people, mostly Christians. But just as many Christians in Africa are actually pagans, one can speak of Boko Haram rather as a sect that fights for “traditional Nigerian values”, opposes any Western influence and seeks to cleanse non-Muslims and “wrong Muslims” »The northern states (with the Sharia law, according to militants, should apply to the southern, Christian territory of the country). A favorite grouping tactic is attacking churches, especially on holidays, when there are significantly more worshipers. In addition, attacks on residential areas and markets are practiced: those who cannot read the surah from the Quran are shot on the spot. While the government’s efforts to combat Boko Haram are in vain, even the emergency regime introduced in the states of Adamawa, Yobe and Borno, where the group is particularly active, does not help.

In general, the same tendency is observed in the states with the “religious equator”: Muslims living in the north squeeze Christians farther and farther to the south. In addition to the countries mentioned above, such a pattern is observed in Côte d'Ivoire, Eritrea, Chad, Burkina Faso and Mali, where the French military are also trying to "settle" a civil war. Most often, attacks on Christians are in the nature of gangster raids and are accompanied by massive robbery. “The goal of all these Islamist movements in the Arab world and in Africa is to push back the frontiers of Christianity and push the frontiers of Islam forward. They have a whole strategy. Today, Christians have become scapegoats that symbolize hatred of the West. This is the new Christianophobia, ”Alexander del Val, a geopolitologist and teacher of international relations at the University of Metz, commented on the situation in an interview with the French edition of Atlantico.

The loudest murder of Christians by Islamic fanatics (except for the tragedy of the British soldier Lee Rigby, who had his head cut off in central London) in the past year was the seizure of hostages in a shopping center in Nairobi (the capital of Kenya), which resulted in the death of 67 people. The invaders - the Somalis from the Al-Shabaab group - immediately released all Muslims, and dealt with the remaining Christians in a truly savage way. The police report is like a horror film: severed heads and fingers, nose and tongues torn out by forceps, squeezed eyes, group rapes (of both women and men). “The attack on Westgate Mall should hit Kenya’s leaders who thoughtlessly invaded Somalia. It is also a retribution against Western countries that supported the Kenyan invasion and shed the blood of innocent Muslims in order to pave the way for their mineral mining companies, ”its leader Ahmed Godein explained the goals of the grouping. He is still free.

Shocking Asia

In Pakistan, radical Sunni groups are fighting against Christians (as well as Hindus and Shiites), and this struggle is purposeful. Despite the zealous-Islamic nature of the state, official Islamabad is trying to protect religious minorities, and given the difficult relations with India, especially Christians, of which there are about three million in the country. Unfortunately, this is not always possible. So, in September, an explosion was arranged near a Christian church in the city of Peshawar, 78 people died, more than a hundred were injured. Responsibility was assumed by the Jundul Hafsa group, whose representative declared: “Christians are enemies of Islam, and therefore they are our goal. We will continue our attacks on all non-Muslims living in Pakistani lands. ”

Often attacks on the "infidels" are associated with the robbery of villages - collecting tribute. An additional threat is that in certain regions of Pakistan, radical Islamic theologians have influence on local authorities. As a result, children begin to learn from textbooks containing direct calls for the murder of Christians - the implementation of "supreme prowess."

However, neighboring India shows that not only Islam is a threat to Christianity, it is already Hindu groups that are creating lawlessness. The principal difference is that this terror is not religious (such as Hinduism simply does not imply), but nationalistic or traditionalist. Christianity is persecuted as an alien culture introduced into India from the outside.

Now Christians in the country are 2,4%, but considering the population of 1,2 billion, this is a very significant figure, in the eastern states of Mizoram, Nagaland and Megalaya followers of Christ are generally in the majority. In fact, there are even more Christians (according to some estimates - up to 6%), but many prefer to be listed as Hindus. The reason - not so much fear of the radicals, as the origin. The Christians of India often come from the “untouchables” caste, in fact, they or their parents converted to Christianity precisely because the caste system is not recognized in it. At the same time, the government has been struggling for some time with the caste system and supporting the "untouchables" financially - with money and benefits, that is, it is not profitable for a Christian to sign up as a financial one.

The most Christian-unfriendly states are Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Karnataka, but especially Orissa. As a result of the 2008 riots, 250 churches were destroyed, 120 Christians were killed, and about 50 thousands were evicted. The reason was the murder of the head of the World Hindu Council, Lakshmananda Sarasvati, who spoke very harshly about the followers of Jesus and fought against the adoption of Christianity by local residents. As a result, it was the Christians who were accused of the murder of Saraswati, for which the Maoists subsequently took responsibility. It is indicative that even after the recognition of the Maoists, the fervor of the Hindu radicals did not cool and the killing of Christians continued.

Christians also suffer from radical Buddhists, however paradoxical it may sound. Some Sinhalese living in Sri Lanka believe that Sri Lanka is exclusively for them, as a last resort, for Buddhists, although, according to Christian tradition, the Apostle Thomas preached in Sri Lanka. It rarely comes to killings (after all, Buddhists), but an attack on churches and beating of parishioners and priests with sticks takes place, and the monks lead the lynching.

It remains to add that according to the version of the international charitable organization Open Doors, North Korea is the most unfavorable country for Christians, which sounds somewhat paradoxical against the background described above. There is a reservation that the main source of information about what is happening in the DPRK is refugees. On the basis of their testimony, as well as the research of professional Koreans, it is believed that about seventy thousand people are imprisoned in labor camps on the basis of Christian convictions, that is, belonging to the “hostile stratum”. True or not, it is impossible to establish reliably. But Christianity in North Korea is indeed not honored as a source of the "pernicious influence of the West," the spread of the Bible is banned, and missionary work is strictly suppressed as part of the fight against espionage. During the reign of Kimov, the number of Catholics (according to official data) decreased many times - from tens of thousands to several hundred. One Catholic church functions, but without a priest, at least the Vatican knows nothing about this priest. But in 2006, the Trinity Cathedral of the Russian Orthodox Church was built, for which the priests - Theodore Kim and John Ra - were ordained personally by Cyril, while he was still the metropolitan. The number of parishioners is estimated at 50 – 60 people.
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  1. Stiletto
    Stiletto 29 January 2014 15: 53
    +9
    Killing is always bad. Massacres on the basis of religion - this is generally Tryndets in modern society. And it is very unfortunate that one of the most miter and truly tolerant religions of the world undergoes persecution.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 29 January 2014 16: 03
      -16%
      And it is very unfortunate that one of the most miter and truly tolerant religions of the world undergoes persecution.
      This proves once again that Tollerast sucks and created Christianity for the enslavement of peoples by more cunning and impudent peoples.
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 29 January 2014 16: 14
        +5
        Christianity was created to enslave peoples with more cunning and impudent peoples
        Sergey, have you gone too far in your conclusions? Or are you a militant atheist?
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 29 January 2014 16: 26
          -6
          I did not go too far. Religion is an institution of expansion and, consequently, enslavement.
          - Cracked on the right cheek - substitute the left. This is from Christianity seems.
          - God's servant is also from there.
          -All power from God. We come to a logical conclusion: work for the power of niggas and do not blather!
          1. 120352
            120352 29 January 2014 17: 00
            0
            Your knowledge of religion is noticeably lower than zero. You probably have not studied religion, a compulsory university discipline, from which I draw a conclusion, advice: you know the letters, now it's time to go to school.
            There are no slaves in Christianity. This is the religion of free people. And all power from God is from Islam, but not from Christianity.
            Regarding cheeks, substitute or not - do not tear out phrases out of context.
            1. sergey261180
              sergey261180 29 January 2014 17: 20
              +4
              There are no slaves in Christianity. This is the religion of free people
              The Apostle Paul writes: "Slaves, obey your masters according to the flesh with fear and trembling, in your simplicity of heart, as Christ, not with visible only servility, like pleasing people, but like servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the soul, serving with zeal, like To the Lord, and not as men, knowing that everyone will receive from the Lord according to the measure of the good that he has done, whether a slave or a free one. "

              And all power from God is from Islam, but not from Christianity.
              Come on! Paul: "Let every soul be submissive to the highest authorities, for there is no authority other than from God; the existing authorities are established by God. Therefore, the one who resists the authority opposes God's ordinance. And those who oppose themselves will incur condemnation."
              1. Vasek
                Vasek 30 January 2014 06: 36
                +1
                Sergey.
                If you have never had the idea that you are not completely in power, we will wait another 10 years ...
                Atheism from nihilism is a dangerous thing!
                We don’t know everything yet, we will never know everything!
                And I tried to draw conclusions all my life, but the conclusions are "specified" and "specified" ...
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 30 January 2014 00: 04
              +3
              Quote: 120352
              Your knowledge of religion is noticeably lower than zero.

              What we studied and how believers act are two big differences.
            3. alexs3524
              alexs3524 30 January 2014 02: 57
              +2
              I completely agree with Sergey, take a look around and see what is happening, the whole religion is based on fear of imminent punishment, all religions allegedly pursued the same goal during their existence - to help people, although they burned and killed dissenters. I believe in God, but it’s not in this nonsense that people are lied to and not in these disguised clowns who are constantly hypocritical, teaching us how to live, you are either a fool ready to climb someone’s cut off limbs that give people sacred, you just think about what they do to people, or you are blind and do not see anything further than your nose
          2. maxvik
            maxvik 29 January 2014 17: 18
            +9
            1. That is, the servant of God is a servant of God, and not a man-master.
            2. About cheeks - this is more relevant to relationships with close people (wife, parents, friends). Try - it helps, but hard. Meanwhile, at the beginning of the Second World War, the church was one of the first to call for popular resistance. There was nothing about the cheeks).
            3. Power from God is yes. But there is nothing about niggas who are obliged to work for power. Do not want to work for power - do not work. To Caesar, to Caesar, to God, to God.
            1. sergey261180
              sergey261180 29 January 2014 17: 39
              +3
              servant of God and not the master man
              "Slaves, obey to their masters in the flesh"
              About the cheeks - this is more related to relationships with loved ones
              "I tell you: do not resist the evil one. But whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also; and whoever wants to sue you and take your shirt, give him your outer garment;
              and whoever forces you to go one mile with him, go with him two. Give to the one who asks from you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it is said, love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you: love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who offend you and persecute you. "
              Chur me from such relatives and friends !!!
              Power from God - Yes
              Damn, so just one was not!
              Do not want to work for power - do not work
              "And those who oppose themselves will incur condemnation"
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 30 January 2014 08: 18
                +3
                Sergey, the Bible is a complicated thing and you should not interpret it so freely, grabbing individual quotes. Your deologue is very similar to the technique of the Witnesses of Yogov. Both their course and your statements are aimed at the destruction of spirituality. Whether voluntarily or not, you seek to plunge the Russian people into chaos, lack of spirituality, lack of faith gives rise to permissiveness and the transformation of man into an animal, thirsty for blood, lust and self-exaltation. If these qualities are the goal of your life, I sincerely pity you.
                1. sergey261180
                  sergey261180 31 January 2014 21: 07
                  0
                  the bible is a difficult thing and you should not interpret it so freely
                  I did not interpret it, I quoted it.
                  you seek to plunge the Russian people into chaos
                  What about religion like order? Only whose order?
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 1 February 2014 09: 04
                    +3
                    What about religion like order? Only whose order? ....
                    1. I am the Lord your God: may not you be a goddess, except Mene.
                    2. Do not create for yourself an idol and any kind of likeness, spruce in heaven, and spruce on the earth below, and spruce in the waters under the earth: do not bow to them, or serve them.
                    3. You did not receive the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
                    4. Remember the sabbath day, let it be holy: six days you shall do, and make all your works in them, on the seventh day, the sabbath, to the Lord your God.
                    5. Honor thy father and thy mother, let goodness be, and let the sun go down on the earth.
                    6. Do not kill.
                    7. Prelyuby not do also.
                    8. Thou shalt not steal.
                    9. Do not obey your friend's testimony is false.
                    10. You shall not covet your wife iskrennyago not covet thy house blizhnyago or villages, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor vsyakago his ass, nor anything elika blizhnyago your essence.

                    Sergey, what is not decent here ??? I’m telling you again, the Bible, this is not a textbook for you to quote! Before broadcasting on behalf of the Bible, you must first understand it, and torn quotes are not knowledge of the subject.
              2. maxvik
                maxvik 30 January 2014 11: 15
                0
                One question is how many interpretations of the gospel have you read?
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 30 January 2014 00: 06
              +2
              Quote: maxvik
              Meanwhile, at the beginning of the Second World War, the church was one of the first to call for popular resistance.

              But in the civilian she called not to resist the interventionists.
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            3. lapo32
              lapo32 30 January 2014 06: 07
              +1
              Caesar, Caesarean, and locksmith locksmith lol
          3. Shum86
            Shum86 29 January 2014 18: 14
            +2
            Sergey don’t have to take everything literally !!!
            Quote: sergey261180
            - Cracked on the right cheek - substitute the left.
            This suggests that without responding with evil to evil, you will become spiritually stronger, and your offender will still suffer a deserved punishment, even if not immediately!
            Quote: sergey261180
            - God's servant is also from there
            Who are we? The slaves of God, indeed, and this is not westernized !!! it’s bad to be a slave to the same person, whom many are literally or figuratively.

            Quote: sergey261180
            All power from god
            And this is about how much power we deserve, and we have that !!!
            something like this ... you have to read and respect your religion, because without it we are just a herd !!! PS: I'm talking about religion, it has nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church!
            1. sergey261180
              sergey261180 29 January 2014 18: 28
              0
              PS: I'm talking about religion, it has nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church!
              What kind of religion?
              1. alone
                alone 29 January 2014 21: 30
                0
                They kill everyone. And Christians, and Muslims, and Jews, and Buddhists. All indiscriminately.
                And the saddest thing is that all this happens through the fault of the very people themselves, who seemed to be enraged.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 30 January 2014 00: 00
          +2
          Quote: zart_arn
          Sergey, have you gone too far in your conclusions? Or are you a militant atheist?

          This is something new. Where have you seen these? So far, the missionaries are militant.
  2. Salamander
    Salamander 29 January 2014 15: 58
    +8
    Of course, it would be erroneous to say that everyone is waging a full-scale war against Christianity, but the events that are taking place show that for some reason, for some reason, Christian confessions are subjected to attacks and harassment (recall at least the case of the dismissal of an Englishwoman from work for refusing to remove the cross). It is Christian morality, in my opinion, that most of all contradicts the implanted democratic "values". Hence, a large number of scandals related to the Church, promoted in the media, in order to create "proper" public opinion and slowly nullify the long-standing enemy.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 29 January 2014 16: 17
      +7
      Quote: Salamander
      Hence a large number of media scandals related to the Church

      There is a reason for the promotion. It is necessary to behave decently to some representatives of this estate and there will be no complaints.
      In the photo are also martyrs of the 21st century.
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 29 January 2014 16: 24
        +6
        In the photo are also martyrs of the 21st century.
        And these are the black monitors (read - monks), for whom staying in a state of constant fasting is the norm. This is the behavior that discredits the church (not to be confused with faith and Orthodoxy).
        1. asadov
          asadov 29 January 2014 17: 04
          +1
          I completely agree. These people have recently perceived the church as a business rather than as a vocation and ministry. Although what is surprising now in government agencies. The word service has been replaced by the word business.
        2. anarh
          anarh 29 January 2014 18: 46
          -3
          Quote: zart_arn
          And these are the black monitors (read - monks), for whom staying in a state of constant fasting is the norm. This is the behavior that discredits the church (not to be confused with faith and Orthodoxy).

          What special did you see on the festive table of the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, which seriously distinguishes him from the festive table of an ordinary New Year's corporate party?
          Or maybe they dug up the link that the event occurs during the Fast?
          1. zart_arn
            zart_arn 30 January 2014 00: 09
            -2
            New Year's party of monks, class!
            And here is the reference
            Phil. 3:19
            "Their end is destruction, their god is the womb, and their glory is in shame, they think about the earthly."
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 29 January 2014 16: 45
        +6
        Quote: baltika-18
        It is necessary to behave decently to some representatives of this estate and there will be no complaints.

        First of all, it is necessary to find mutual understanding between the Christians themselves, Patriarch Kirill somehow forgot that Croatian Christians gladly slaughtered Serbs and the massacre between Serbs and Bulgarians. And it is absolutely indecent not to remember the attitude of Western Christians to the "damned ........" And that the showdown between Georgians and Ossetians is permeated with true Christian "humility". And in Moscow itself, we also see how some brothers in Christ strive to crush other brothers in Christ under themselves.
        1. 120352
          120352 29 January 2014 17: 11
          0
          Serbs are Orthodox, as are the Bulgarians, to whom they have always treated favorably and never slaughtered. No need to generate quasi-truth. But the Croats - the Catholics (like the Westerners) - sometimes had to confront.
          Orthodoxy never came the threat of war, but, as it happened historically, no one could defeat them.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 29 January 2014 19: 42
            +1
            Quote: 120352
            Orthodoxy never came the threat of war, but, as it happened historically, no one could defeat them.

            Have you read carefully? Is Christianity only Orthodoxy? Or is Orthodoxy not Christianity?
            Quote: 120352
            Serbs are Orthodox, as are the Bulgarians, to whom they have always treated favorably and never slaughtered.
            And this is where in the afternoon? The Serbo-Bulgarian War is from 14 to 28 on November 1885. Or is it also quasi-truth?
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 29 January 2014 17: 12
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          And it is absolutely indecent not to remember the attitude of Orthodox Westerners to the "damned ........deleted by moderator Apollo"

          Orthodox zapadentsy you call Uniates, Greek Catholics?
          So, maybe you’ll call all Christians Orthodox at once?
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 29 January 2014 19: 31
            +2
            Quote: Flood
            Orthodox zapadentsy you call Uniates, Greek Catholics?

            Already fixed, my jamb, (haste wrote for me, repeat ) Correctly read - Christians zapadentsev. But are the Zapadents only Uniates and Greek Catholics? How many Orthodox people are on the Maidan now with the slogan - who doesn’t jump that *******? It is about Christianity as a whole. Or the words of the pariarch only about the Orthodox? I quote"According to Patriarch Kirill, persecution of christians continue in the modern world: for example, over the past year, about a hundred thousand people were killed, and this is even without Syria."
            1. bask
              bask 29 January 2014 19: 57
              +8
              Quote: Tersky
              Where is it in my post? I do not say a word about Orthodoxy, it is about Christianity as a whole.

              Hi, zema.

              Russian soldier New Martyr Yevgeny Rodionov killed in Chechnya.
              On May 23, believers celebrate the memory of the New Martyr Eugene Rodionov. In captivity, Russian soldiers were required to remove crosses and convert to Islam, so that later they could fight against their Russian brothers. Evgeny Rodionov had the courage to refuse. After that, the Chechens tortured him brutally executed.
              He chose the Cross! Eugene Rodionov-Heavenly Warrior of Christ! And our protector.
              BE WARS OF LIGHT CAN ONE.
              He is not dead. He Alive is with us. He prays for us.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 29 January 2014 20: 00
                +7
                Andryush add: Evgeny Rodionov is revered as the Heavenly Patron of the Border Troops.
                1. bask
                  bask 29 January 2014 20: 08
                  +7
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Evgeny Rodionov is revered as the Heavenly Patron of the Border Troops.

                  As you can imagine, through what our boys had to go through in Chechnya ....
                  Who went through this war and survived all the heroes.
                  I was 10 years after, Chechnya (95 years old) could not sleep peacefully.
                  The war, fighting in Grozny dreamed of. Yes, and now dream of but rarely.

                  Nautilus Pompilius - You see there is a cross on the mountain.

                  Apostle Andrew fished from the pier
                  And the Savior walked on the water.
                  And Andrew got out of the water minnows,
                  And the Savior is the lost people.

                  And Andrey shouted: "I will leave the pier,
                  If you tell me a secret. "
                  And the Savior answered:
                  "Calm down Andrey, there is no secret here.

                  See there, on the mountain, a cross towers.
                  Under him a dozen soldiers.
                  Hang on it.
                  And when you get tired, come back
                  Walk on the water, walk on the water,
                  Walk on the water with me! "

                  "But teacher, horns shine on helmets,
                  A black raven circles over the cross ...
                  Explain to me now, take pity on the fool,
                  And leave the crucifix for later. "

                  Numbed Savior and stomped in the hearts
                  On the surface of the water foot.
                  "You are right!" and Andrey is in tears
                  Wandered home with gudgeons.

                  "You see there, on the mountain, the cross is rising.
                  Under him a dozen soldiers.
                  Hang on it.
                  And when you get tired, come back
                  Walk on the water, walk on the water,
                  Walk the water with me!

                  See there, on the mountain, a cross towers.
                  Under him a dozen soldiers.
                  Hang on it.
                  And when you get tired, come back
                  Walk on the water, walk on the water,
                  Walk on the water with me "!
              2. Tersky
                Tersky 29 January 2014 20: 21
                +6
                Quote: bask
                Evgeny Rodionov had the courage to refuse

                Hello zema! In short, ORTHODOXY IS A RELIGION OF STRONG PEOPLE.
                1. bask
                  bask 29 January 2014 20: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: Tersky
                  - ORTHODOXY IS A RELIGION OF POWERFUL PEOPLE.

                  I support Zem.
                  Primarily-THE SPIRIT OF PEOPLE !!!!
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        4. Serg65
          Serg65 30 January 2014 09: 00
          +3
          Victor, do not confuse greed and acquisitiveness with the Christian faith. A person is not a god, this creature is difficult to please and it is always difficult to resist the temptation. To die for the motherland, for faith, for the father and mother or to survive but betray, the temptation is very great, life is at stake! Sailors or Vlasov, which of them is right ??? And the example of the Balkan peoples is completely inappropriate, for 700 years they have been pitted against each other!
      3. bomg.77
        bomg.77 29 January 2014 16: 48
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        There is a reason for the promotion.
        The Baltics hi In the 2004 year, I made the residence of Alexy II (parquet), and so ... the cost of two halls, according to 100 square
        meters cost 19.6 million rubles. and there were: enfilades, corridors, bedrooms, etc.
        1. 120352
          120352 29 January 2014 17: 16
          +3
          Have you been to the St. George Hall of the Kremlin? I think parquet and stuff is not cheaper there. And the residence of the Patriarch and the residence of the head of state are the same thing.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 29 January 2014 18: 04
            0
            Quote: 120352
            Have you been to the St. George Hall of the Kremlin? I think parquet and stuff is not cheaper there. And the residence of the Patriarch and the residence of the head of state are the same thing.
            This is what we did, every year we "refresh"))) and in Tsaritsino and the constitutional court in St. Petersburg and Everywhere where there is thin parquet, From Medvedev and Putin Serdyukov, to Deribaska, Mardashev and other Yakunins. Many rich people did it. But the Kremlin the face of the state, you can't put linoleum there. Here is a photo of Tsaritsyno, the same is not worth two kopecks. Museum.


            And this is the throne room in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior
            1. Svobodny
              Svobodny 29 January 2014 18: 21
              +3
              Interiors are a work of art, a true masterpiece of Russian architecture. Thanks for the photo.
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 29 January 2014 18: 30
                +1
                Quote: Svobodny
                Interiors are a work of art, a true masterpiece of Russian architecture. Thanks for the photo.
                I have a lot of them, but the best are the old buildings, the remodelers are not enough (bohato, but tasteless) Mardashev tried to make himself like the Sheremetyevo Palace, but not that (((. Can’t do it now!
            2. Gregazov
              Gregazov 29 January 2014 22: 32
              -3
              The Cathedral of Christ the Savior does not belong to the Russian Orthodox Church.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 30 January 2014 09: 09
                +3
                In but how Mikhalych !!! And to whom does this temple belong?
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 30 January 2014 14: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65
                  In but how Mikhalych !!! And to whom does this temple belong?


                  The temple belongs to the city of Moscow.
        2. anarh
          anarh 29 January 2014 18: 53
          -2
          Quote: bomg.77
          In the 2004 year, I made the residence of Alexy II (parquet), and so ... the cost of two halls, according to 100 square
          meters cost 19.6 million rubles

          And how much of this amount was put on your pocket?
          In the prices are not shy?
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 29 January 2014 19: 17
            +1
            Quote: anarh
            And how much of this amount was put on your pocket?
            In the prices are not shy?
            For what purpose are you interested in?))
            No more than they could pay.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 30 January 2014 09: 35
            +3
            Well, if hands grow from the bottom, then it remains only to envy and from powerless malice for their own hands to pour mud on others !!!
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 30 January 2014 09: 06
          +3
          So what??? Should the residence look like a barn?
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 30 January 2014 15: 21
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            So what??? The residence should look like a barn
            No, of course, the Patriarch, like the head of state, must live in decent conditions! But in this case it is expensive, too expensive! We offered other artistic solutions without losing their beauty, but they insisted on this, which had to be approached individually. So it grew price, this also applies to the rest of the premises. Here is a photo
      4. 120352
        120352 29 January 2014 17: 13
        -1
        Note that on the table are exclusively plant foods and juices. That is the tradition. There may also be tea and jam.
        Have you ever had holidays associated with a feast?
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 29 January 2014 18: 02
          +1
          Quote: 120352
          Note that on the table are exclusively plant foods and juices. That is the tradition. There may also be tea and jam.

          You are wrong or not up to date. This is a photo from the birthday of Parkhaev. Who such Parkhaev needs to be said or know.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 29 January 2014 18: 04
          0
          Parkhaev at church orders with a telephone.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 29 January 2014 18: 06
            +1
            Parkhaev, director of Sofrino.
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 29 January 2014 18: 08
            0
            Small talk at the birthday party.
            1. Svobodny
              Svobodny 29 January 2014 18: 22
              +2
              Is it your birthday, Baltic? You turn out to be a priest.
      5. tomket
        tomket 29 January 2014 18: 29
        +3
        Would a herring on the newspaper "Commune" warm your soul and strengthen your faith? Or is the photo taken from besieged Leningrad? What's the problem with setting the dinner table now? an ordinary bald corporate party will outperform ten times in wealth on the table.
      6. anarh
        anarh 29 January 2014 18: 36
        +4
        Quote: baltika-18
        It is necessary to behave decently to some representatives of this estate and there will be no complaints.

        This is a festive table set by the Patriarch for his guests.
        I didn’t notice any special dishes.
        Maybe you saw mountains of caviar and baked two-meter sturgeons?
        I did not make out.
        Now compare this with the festive table of the president of a mediocre bank in the provincial.
        You feel the difference in scale: the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church and the president of a mediocre little bunny.

        However, I do not count on tears of repentance and recognition of wrong.
        This is not for you.
        This is for those you are trying to embarrass.
        1. CHILD
          CHILD 29 January 2014 19: 22
          +1
          my dears)))) everyone is equal before God ... and everyone will answer .... both the patriarch and the peasant .... and judging his deeds on the table is stupid ... even three crusts of bread, like a ton of black caviar they don’t play a role, and it’s impossible to compare the patriarch and the banker at all .... because I will ask more from the patriarch !!!! but unfortunately the church is becoming a cast of society, though not the best part of it .... I sincerely respect and bow in front of people for whom the church is a ministry, not a service .... my sparking opinion in priests, doctors and teachers should people go by vocation, and not for work like ours and going on ....
      7. Setrac
        Setrac 30 January 2014 00: 08
        0
        Quote: baltika-18
        In the photo are also martyrs of the 21st century.

        Of course, martyrs, imagine how their stomachs will hurt, sufferers.
      8. Kazakh
        Kazakh 30 January 2014 09: 31
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        In the photo are also martyrs of the 21st century.

        And here is a photo from life. And I will say that there are most of them.
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  3. seller trucks
    seller trucks 29 January 2014 16: 04
    +6
    one-sided article, yes, all of the above is true, silly to argue. But there is also such a "phenomenon" when Christians kill Christians, Catholics kill Orthodox, no less victims. Catholics kill Muslims, Afghanistan and Iraq. Muslims kill Muslims, Sunnis and Sheites. I am for the objectivity of the coverage of the problem, and not the incitement of ethnic hatred.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 29 January 2014 17: 02
      +1
      Quote: seller trucks
      one-sided article

      maybe it is not so one-sided as it is devoted to a specific rather narrow topic?
      Or the fact that the bears eat fish should somehow refute the fact that the number of fish is reduced?
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 29 January 2014 17: 15
        0
        I agree, or rather it will be, a subjective article or incorrect
    2. 120352
      120352 29 January 2014 17: 26
      -3
      Of all the Christians involved in the murder of Muslims, only Breivik is remembered. Despite the fact that Catholicism in the Middle Ages often burned witches, arranged other unpleasant things, for the last 400 years it has been completely different, although not as peaceful as Orthodoxy. War does not count. Christianity is not its cause.
      Read the Quran. It clearly states the need to destroy the Gentiles. So Muslims follow him. I am also for objectivity, but if we are talking about inter-religious relations, do not confuse them with international relations. And the figures given in the article are objectivity. Or are you not convinced that the attacks on the eve of the New Year in Volgograd were carried out by Muslims?
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 29 January 2014 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: 120352
        Read the Quran. It clearly states the need to destroy the Gentiles.


        read it yourself? there is no call for the murder of infidels, the Quran is a peace book, there is a Sura, in the studio. All appeals are written during the war.
        1. FormerMariman
          FormerMariman 29 January 2014 18: 48
          0
          Better in translating Krachkovsky, even better with comments!
        2. 120352
          120352 30 January 2014 00: 12
          0
          sura two "The Cow"
  4. CHILD
    CHILD 29 January 2014 16: 12
    0
    Christianity has a rich experience of persecution and underground struggle .... in vain they are so, action gives rise to opposition, in the 21st century the bonfires of the Inquisition can take on a new look, technologies allow .... and modern PR technologies can turn some kind of historical nightmare into reality a new level, when people believe in their own right, then they will definitely not see the edges .... it has already happened more than once ...
  5. polly
    polly 29 January 2014 16: 13
    +3
    During the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia in 2008, early Christian churches of the Byzantine period were destroyed or badly damaged, which had never been in the rest of the territory of the former Union, only here in the Caucasus. there was noise, and here UNESCO seemed to have gotten water into its mouth: there is, as always, the notorious double morality!
  6. demotivator
    demotivator 29 January 2014 16: 15
    +2
    Who would care for atheists as well? Are they bypassing adversity? What they just do not think up to pit people together! We have few ethnic disagreements, little by little they also begin to inflate inter-confessional ones. By the way, the word "shahid" in Islam means exactly “Martyr for faith”.
    When the author entitled his article
    Martyrs of the 21st Century
    whom did he mean?
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 29 January 2014 16: 35
      0
      Quote: demotivator
      who did he mean?

      Myself beloved.
      Crafty numbers
      When you start talking about the persecution and murder of Christians, you inevitably come across problems with the method of counting. Is the assassination of Christians, for example, terrorist acts committed in Volgograd and Boston?

      And what is cunning here? The number of people killed in these cases is less than the statistical error, and the murder remains a murder.
      Or take the Christian Philippines. Since 1970, only on the island of Mindanao, one and a half dozen Catholic priests were deliberately killed.

      For 44 years, and where is the focus here if the author himself admits that they could have been killed by different groups and for various reasons and does not provide data on crime and murders at all?
      Agree with seller trucks one-sided article "-"
    2. 120352
      120352 30 January 2014 00: 14
      0
      And you read the article. It is written there. And the statistics are presented.
  7. Vitlek
    Vitlek 29 January 2014 16: 21
    +3
    "... I am persecuting and you will be persecuted .." - everything comes true.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 29 January 2014 16: 47
      -3
      Quote: Vitlek
      "... I am persecuting and you will be persecuted .." - everything comes true.

      This article discusses the article about the "genocide" of Christians and not Jesus and Christianity itself and the article is one-sided, does not contribute to the understanding of the processes, so your quotes are not appropriate here. Find someone who does not think that he is not oppressed, do not pretend to be the chosen one, and so it is enough.
  8. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 29 January 2014 16: 24
    +1
    Quote: seller trucks
    one-sided article, yes, all of the above is true, it's silly to argue

    Totally agree with you. Yes, and the numbers are very doubtful, how can one calculate who will die specifically on a religious basis as a result of targeted persecution?
    1. 120352
      120352 30 January 2014 00: 16
      0
      And you reevaluate the ethnic, but in fact, religious purges that Muslims carried out in Serbia.
  9. 787nkx
    787nkx 29 January 2014 16: 29
    +4
    Protect the weak, help the weak, love your neighbor ...
  10. Mviktor
    Mviktor 29 January 2014 17: 17
    0
    Quote: Stiletto
    Killing is always bad. Massacres on the basis of religion - this is generally Tryndets in modern society. And it is very unfortunate that one of the most miter and truly tolerant religions of the world undergoes persecution.


    I agree with the comment that killing is always bad, but the Christian church, when Europe and Russia were forcibly baptized, also shed a lot of blood, the Crusades also took place under their auspices, they can’t be called peaceful or tolerant of pagans either (how many Gentiles bonfires burned). In the modern world, not much has changed in Ukraine, now the priests are also urging to kill blacks, her and the Jews. Where the voices of condemnation of the Ukrainian church from Rome and Moscow are not heard, and even in the defense of the Syrian Christians some voices are not very loud
    1. 120352
      120352 30 January 2014 00: 20
      -1
      The Crusades were held to free the Holy Sepulcher after the Muslims occupied Jerusalem. And the "priests of Ukraine" have no relation to any church, except their own, home, Zapadensky. They are not recognized by the world religious community. The voices of their condemnation sounded, in particular, today on the channel Russia1. He who has ears, let him hear.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 30 January 2014 21: 42
        0
        Quote: 120352
        Crusades took place with the goal of liberating the Holy Sepulcher after Jerusalem was occupied by Muslims.

        It is strange why they searched for the sepulcher of the Lord in Russia, what did the crusaders in Russia do?
  11. igor-pchelkin
    igor-pchelkin 29 January 2014 17: 57
    -1
    How aukali - and responds! Have you read Hermes Trismegistus? Religions? Old as the world. Divide and rule!
    1. 120352
      120352 30 January 2014 00: 21
      -1
      Read the Great Initiates better than Eduard Schure.
  12. Svobodny
    Svobodny 29 January 2014 18: 01
    +3
    Quote: baltika-18
    It is necessary to behave decently to some representatives of this estate and there will be no complaints.


    Listen, dear. Your attitude towards the church has long been known to everyone who more or less often looks at comments on this site. Start and you behave decently. What did you want to say with this photo ?! For your information, the children in the orphanage speak in front of the Patriarch in the photo. Not ashamed?
  13. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 29 January 2014 18: 04
    -3
    The eternal problem of the confrontation of various religions. Remember in Egypt when he was Christian
    the crowd burned the Alexandrian library; yes, and pre-Christian beliefs disappeared under the onslaught of Christian
    churches all over the world, forever. It’s probably not worth mentioning the Crusades, the Inquisition and the reprisals against the Old Believers, the baptism of both the Americas, Australia and Siberia. Debt, it seems payment is red.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 30 January 2014 00: 14
      +2
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      Remember in Egypt when he was Christian
      the crowd burned the Alexandrian library.

      Strongly said. What else do you remember? Have you seen the dinosaurs too?
  14. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 29 January 2014 18: 11
    +1
    Of course, I would like this to happen to us in Russia, but it is beneficial for business to bring millions of Muslims to both capitals. It remains to rely on God.
  15. Black
    Black 29 January 2014 18: 18
    0
    Quote: Svobodny
    Not ashamed?


    Not. It is unlikely. The worshipers born of the famous forces of the October Revolution are alive.
  16. Altona
    Altona 29 January 2014 18: 24
    +2
    We are returning to the time of religious obscurantism, even if they blame me, at least one more false remark hangs on us ... The state should be secular at the core, Islam and other religions should not be the source of law, and not only religions, but also other quasi-freedoms, including sexual ones ... A man goes to the temple, beats with a lobnik some gods, this is his business ... But if this is not inflated, then this will end ...
    Then the faithful Jew wanted to go to the synagogue on Poklonnaya Gora, and there the corporate party and the synagogue are not a cult house, but the property of a secular organization, the Jewish Congress with all the consequences ... Congress is collecting corporate money for charity ... Here you have Bogovo and Caesarean in one bottle, as they say ... I was even offended by a Jew, they didn’t let a person pray and the temple was desecrated by demonic dances of bank workers ... It was not in vain that Christ drove the merchants out of the temple ...
    Everything is the same with Islam, de facto we have Sharia in the Caucasus ... But everyone is blaming on women, they must, they must ... Although no one wants to admit that sperm toxicosis of Caucasian men is actually legal ...
  17. Humpty
    Humpty 29 January 2014 18: 38
    +1
    "Australia has published a decree adopted on September 20, which states that Muslims who want to live in Australia under Sharia law will have to leave the country, since the government feels a threat from this category of citizens."

    The Indian Consulate is welcomed, kindly. No problem getting a visa. But if they only notice some Muslim sign (beard, bald head, Muslim costume, etc.), the visa will be refused. I saw somehow the group of people who planned to go to some conference for the state. score .
    1. 120352
      120352 30 January 2014 00: 28
      0
      In India, up to 30% of the population is Muslim. Especially the state of Jammu and Kashmir - only Muslims live there. Pakistan, formerly the territory of India, is completely Muslim.
      By the way, a similar Australian law was passed in Japan. There you can sit tight for propaganda of Islam.
      Looks like the guys got it hard.
  18. tomket
    tomket 29 January 2014 18: 41
    +4
    The article is incomplete and clearly taken out of the context of world events. The picture is such that Christianity is fought around the world with permissible means, depending on the region. In Libya, it’s possible to kill, but in Europe, it’s not camillefo, because there’s propaganda of sin somewhere, and non-violent pressure and economic coercion for irresponsible citizens, and in Serbia you can already contract albanoids. By the way, a curious fait accompli is the promotion of neopaganism in Europe and an attempt to do the same in Russia, which in fact is also part of the war against Christians. In the near future, it is thought that emphasis will be placed on the Orthodox Church, and the visit will probably be made by Ukraine.
    1. 120352
      120352 30 January 2014 00: 30
      0
      This call, alas, is done from all sides. But the most vile is the fifth column. traitors.
  19. Diter
    Diter 29 January 2014 18: 57
    +3
    Quote: sergey261180
    There are no slaves in Christianity. This is the religion of free people
    Apostle "Let every soul be submissive to the higher authorities, for there is no authority other than from God; the existing authorities are established by God. Therefore, those who oppose the authority oppose God's ordinance. And those who oppose themselves will incur condemnation."

    In this case, there is not a completely accurate translation from Church Slavonic. In Church Slavonic it sounds like this: "There is no power if not from God, but the real power is from God." So, the word "power" is there in the accusative case, answering the question of whom ?, what?, And a more accurate translation would sound like this: "Not the power that is not from God, the true authorities are from God established", because otherwise it follows that the Antichrist will also come from God and will have to obey him. I can also quote the book of the prophet Isaiah: "Learn to do good, seek righteousness, save the oppressed, protect the orphan, stand up for the widow. Then come and let us judge, says the Lord. If your sins are like crimson, I will whiten like snow; if they are red like purple, I will whiten like a wave. "(Isa., (1,17-18). Ibid. further:" How the faithful capital, full of justice, became a harlot! Truth dwelt in it, and now murderers. Your silver has become ashes, your wine is spoiled by water; your princes are transgressors and accomplices of thieves; they all love gifts and chase after bribery; they do not protect the orphans, and the widow's work does not reach them. "(Isa. 1,21: 23-XNUMX). in recent times, the church hierarchy will fall away from God, it was predicted by Seraphim of Sarov.
  20. individual
    individual 29 January 2014 19: 00
    0
    We are talking 21st century.
    And remember 1778, when James Cook discovered the southeastern Hawaiian Islands, and the "grateful" Polynesians ate it.
    The savage remains a savage, no matter what religion the missionaries preach to him.
  21. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 29 January 2014 19: 16
    +1
    Christianity in its "pure form" is a science about the salvation of the soul. Yes, that's exactly science. Moreover, she is fixated precisely on spirituality, on the development of the spirit, and not all in a crowd, but each one. That is, a person himself must come to God, and in what guise (righteous or criminal, rich or slave, etc.) does not matter. However, a person who has dedicated himself to the salvation of his soul must turn away from this world - he simply has no choice, since following all Christian values ​​will inevitably lead him to the sidelines of our thoroughly rotten society and, accordingly, he becomes physically vulnerable, that is, he will start all sorts of troubles, starting from family, ending with work, etc. Not everyone can endure this. Therefore, Christianity is degenerating - who needs it - to suffer there, in the name of the salvation of some mythical soul, which may not exist.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 29 January 2014 20: 03
      +1
      Our holy elder (I don’t remember who Seraphim of Sarov is possible and I think many others) said that the Christian has one task - to acquire the holy spirit and everything else should be secondary and subordinate to this goal, the holy spirit pouring out on a person will transform him and after that he cannot be not righteous. Science is a doctrine of the external and the basis there is repeatability, religion is a doctrine of the internal — these are two different things, or do you mean a scientific approach?
      The salvation of the soul is associated with the horror stories of losing it, although people do not know what it is and identify themselves with the body. Horror stories are actively used by priests (not all) in promoting the church and claim that without them a person will not be saved - a direct analogy with indulgences, in fairness it must be said without these horror stories, most would degrade like little children - without the help of prohibitions they would harm themselves or not understand what they are doing_. It was necessary to put the phrase "Christian values" in quotation marks, since they do not all come from Christ. With the rest, I almost agree, I will only add that the presence of a rotten society is necessary, since this is a powerful aspect that naturally switches the attention of a "maturing" person from the material to the spiritual.
      I found Sarovsky said
      Father, ”I said,“ here you are all willing to talk about acquiring the grace of the Holy Spirit as the goal of the Christian life;

      Here is a modern "Sarov" who is interested and already with a scientific approach - I recommend it.
      http://www.kluev.ru/book1.html
  22. Diter
    Diter 29 January 2014 19: 27
    +3
    I’ll try to briefly explain how Christian denominations differ from each other. The Orthodox Christian should try to live according to the commandments, and throughout his life to struggle with his passions (passion is a sin that has become a habit, has become a part of character), replacing them with the corresponding virtues. If he confines himself only to the performance of external rites (as was written above by beating his forehead against the floor), then this is very regrettable, because in the Gospel this qualifies as Pharisee. Catholicism, on the contrary, focuses on the external, trying to adapt to modern society. Protestantism generally claims that all our sins are already atoned for by Jesus, and now the Christian can do whatever he wants. So in the Protestant churches same-sex marriages, female bishops, etc. are already approved. Well, briefly, somehow ...
  23. shelva
    shelva 29 January 2014 19: 36
    +1
    Still, wars are sales markets, raw materials, geopolitical interests, spheres of influence, and simply - power. If from the outside they sometimes look like religious ones, it is because the aggressor is "worthy" to cover up his zhlobsk ambitions with religious tolerance.
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  25. Savva30
    Savva30 29 January 2014 21: 32
    +3
    judging by the comments, we don’t need enemies either ...
  26. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 29 January 2014 21: 44
    +2
    Listing the countries in which Christians are persecuted, Cyril, in addition to Syria, also named Libya, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka. But in fact, there are many more such countries.

    The list should include Kosovo, Serbia, Bosnia, Iraq, Egypt, Afghanistan.
    Christians are killed wherever the Yankees drag their bloody, dirty paws and inflate ethnic, social, national, and religious conflicts.
    The missile and bombing strikes of the Yankees and Jews on Muslim countries ricochet against Christians and unbelieving Europeans alike.
  27. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 29 January 2014 21: 55
    0
    Quote: Savva30
    judging by the comments, we don’t need enemies either ...

    No, there are no enemies here, just everyone has their own point of view "in a dispute, truth is born." In principle, I am an atheist, but by and large, let it be better if we have more Orthodox churches than mosques and minarets, and only sects are new religions, so they generally need to be driven into trouble am I tolerate Orthodoxy unlike other religions, although I believe that religion is a suppression of the will of man. It is necessary to cultivate a belief in justice in young people and a belief in human capabilities, but how to do it when you can’t believe the country's leaders and there’s a mess going on around (I don’t know how to choose a harsher word so that comments are not deleted) stop
    1. Gregazov
      Gregazov 29 January 2014 22: 49
      +1
      Andrey Peter
      It is necessary to cultivate a belief in justice in young people and a belief in human capabilities, but how to do it when you can’t believe the country's leaders and there’s a mess going on around (I don’t know how to choose a harsher word so that comments are not deleted)
      This is called WITHOUT ME. YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING
    2. 120352
      120352 30 January 2014 00: 41
      -1
      In fact, Christianity is not suppression, but education of the soul, spirit in a certain sense. This meaning is set forth in the Old Testament in the Commandments and in the New Testament in the Sermon on the Mount. Read carefully. Perhaps you look at yourself differently.
      You call yourself an atheist, but do you know how atheism differs from disbelief in God?
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    1. Gregazov
      Gregazov 29 January 2014 23: 03
      +2
      Aleksey_K
      "The period of the revolution in 17. The Bolsheviks have not yet destroyed churches and priests."
      Thanks to the reforms of Peter I, all the property of the Russian Orthodox Church was nationalized, and the clergy themselves were transferred to the category of civil servants with a fixed salary. By the first decrees On Peace and On Earth, the Russian Orthodox Church was separated from the state, with the state remaining churches, monastery lands, parish schools, seminaries, etc.
      I would like to draw your attention to the fact that these decisions concerned only the Russian Orthodox Church, Muslims, Buddhists, and even more so they did not concern the Jews. If you think that depriving a person of the right to earn his living legally is not the destruction of "the church and the priests", then this, in my opinion, is at least a biased opinion.
    2. 120352
      120352 30 January 2014 00: 43
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      Do you have any facts (not rumors) for such statements?
    3. anarh
      anarh 30 January 2014 02: 08
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      Quote: Алексей_К
      But all this is a thick-bellied pyramid of clergy - scum, robbing people and the state. Fatten, live in luxury.

      Though a ruble filed for the Church?
      Or are you exclusively looking for someone else's pockets?
      What do you know about posts?
      Templates, solid patterns from other people's words?
      Lesha, how old are you?
      So that you could write off all this verbal vomit on the mistakes of youth.
      Just don’t say that you still remember Stalin.
  29. Diter
    Diter 29 January 2014 22: 32
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    The evil ones rejected this truth and hid it from the people.
    Sorry, didn’t understand who are the crafty ones? If you call the apostles and their disciples and followers - such as for example John Chrysostom, Athanasius the Great, Seraphim of Sarov and many others, then you got excited.
    Crusades against Muslims, as a result, Muslims do not find Christians and call them infidels
    Before reaching the Holy Land, the crusaders plundered and burned the Orthodox Byzantium, after which it became easy prey for the Turks.
    The Bolsheviks have not yet destroyed churches and priests. But they, as employees of the golden calf, did not want the Bolsheviks and actively, with weapons in their hands, opposed the poorest but rebellious part of the population. Of course, who wants to part with duty-free enrichment.
    If possible, refer to the sources of this information. I did not read something about the units of the White Army staffed by clergy.
    You look at these fat faces and bellies appearing on television.
    Looking out the window, you can see the dirt on the glass, or you can enjoy the beautiful scenery outside the window. Depending on what you want to see.
  30. Navy7981
    Navy7981 29 January 2014 22: 46
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    At all times, moral wisdom, fanatics of all stripes, and simply, almost always had and have an advantage over worthy or just good people. These humanoid creatures are always ready to kill, rob, rape. Both words and slogans can be found, goals will be outlined, and if you dig, then just an animal’s desire to eat delicious food and sleep sweetly at someone else’s expense. And this continues until worthy people, still first trying to try other means, come to the conclusion that if this goes on, then soon they will not remain. And again the war. The good ones will win because they are smarter, they will bury friends and relatives, then they will regret the freaks, begin to provide help, begin to repent ... and so on in a circle ...
    And Faith is not the servants of the church, not even the temples or something else. You just need to Believe, GOD or simply HUMAN said the 10 commandments, so follow and all the rest is from the evil one. It just requires incredible strength, courage, will. I don’t succeed ...
  31. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 29 January 2014 23: 08
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    I advise both Christians and non-Christians or atheists to read Dostoevsky, "The Brothers Karamazov" in particular, I understand many at school have hammered this matter, he himself was, but it is worth reading the cleverest man, so there is such an insert called "The Legend of the Great The Inquisitor "makes you think about a lot, there is still a forty-minute British film based on the filmed. So there is a wonderful phrase of the inquisitor to the" heretic "itself, that they say" I know who you really are (The film makes it clear that this is Jesus himself) , but I will still burn you, because the Mother of the Church does not need you, you will only interfere, why did you come again? "Of course, you can refer to the position of the author, but if the Second Coming really happens, how will we know that the Savior is Savior? Will the church tell us? They have a direct telephone with God? The church will be the first to mock him and try to hide him in a psychiatric hospital, because He is not needed, nobody needs him, neither the Church, nor millions of pseudo-believers who will only be horrified because of his pretense, the atheists do not need him either, because they don’t believe at all, and believers, ask yourself, do you need a Savior? Most likely you don’t need him either. And murder is murder, nothing can justify it, let alone faith exactly.ver
  32. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 29 January 2014 23: 47
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    Quote: GregAzov
    This is called WITHOUT ME. YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING

    Translate please request
  33. Mih
    Mih 29 January 2014 23: 48
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    The war against Christians began from the time of the Crimean company unleashed by Great Britain and France against the Russian Empire in defense of the Islamists, which we are still reaping.
    The First World War began for Russia not on August 1, 1914, but during the invasion of an armada of united states into the space of RUSSIA, and continues to this day. They can only be stopped by force.
    What a pity that the death of Her Majesty’s light cavalry did not end in Majesty’s defeat.
  34. 120352
    120352 30 January 2014 00: 53
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    The war against Christians began in the 7th century, when newborn Islam rushed to conquer Christian, Jewish territories and territories where other religions were spread. And this was done by force. At the same time, Islamophobia appeared and the first carriers of Islamophobia, strangely enough, were the Muslims themselves, since Allah was dangerous to them, and not just to other religions. And today, Islam exists on the basis of the fear of Allah, while Christianity is based on the love of God. (God is love - the main idea of ​​Christianity).
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  36. Kazakh
    Kazakh 30 January 2014 09: 17
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    Yes, there are more idealists on the site than there are fish in the ocean. For idealists, it seems that since the clergyman must sit in the monastery, this is what the bear will bring. A Cossack must stand on the border and guard his idealist peace. The ruler only thinks to do such a good thing for the poor people. The employer seems to reduce work and pay more. And only the idealist himself should not do anything and sit somewhere on the site and hang up labels that BAD one is AVERAGE SO and that one is generally CHEK. And why are cigarette packs lying behind me? Where are the wipers? But the idealist himself was never in the church and did not go to the polls, but he will defend his correct opinion without sparing the keyboard laughing