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Rifle for professional sniper

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Sniper rifle ORSIS SE T-5000 .338 Grafit Black
Sniper rifle ORSIS SE T-5000 .338 Grafit Black



A new T-5000 ORSIS sniper rifle has been developed in Russia, which will be able to replace the currently popular samples of foreign production in domestic special forces.

Needless to say, snipers in current armed conflicts and special and counter-terrorist operations are of considerable importance. In this regard, in modern conditions, the requirements for sniper arms in the field of its characteristics such as range of aimed shooting, accuracy, penetration and destructive action of a bullet, the possibility of using in different conditions day and night, maneuverability. It is also well known that in the domestic armament system the “niche” of a high-precision sniper rifle is still poorly filled (this is not only the rifle itself, but also the “cartridge-weapon-sight” complex, each element of which makes a significant contribution to the weapon’s characteristics) . The SVN 7,62-mm rifle is an excellent military weapon — it is no longer very suitable for solving a number of sniper tasks for its accuracy and accuracy, especially at ranges over 800 m. This required the addition of a SVD with a rifle with significantly improved accuracy and a multiple scope. Snipers of the special forces units of the Russian security agencies are now actively using foreign sniper rifles (British AW "Ecuresi International", Finnish TRG-21 and TRG-22 "Sako", German AMP, etc.). It is therefore not surprising that any new domestic-made sniper rifle attracts the most lively interest in itself - no matter what class a professional is, he needs a specialized professional tool for success.
In May 2011, the release of their own sniper rifles Under the brand T-5000 ORSIS (Latinized abbreviation "weapon systems"), the Promtechnology Group of Companies began in Moscow. The general public rifles were presented in September 2011, the exhibition of weapons in Nizhny Tagil. Rifles are called "tactical." Apparently, this is not only a tribute to the “foreign” fashion (the name “tactical rifle” really became quite common abroad), but also an indication that the sample can be effectively used in a variety of tactical situations. T-5000 was originally presented in two calibers, widely distributed in specialized sniper weapons - chambered for .308 "hard drive" (.308 Win, 7,62x51) and .338 "paw magnum" (.338 Lapua Magnum, 8,58X69). Soon, an option was added for the .300 “HDD Magnum” (.300 Win Magnum, 7,62X67).

To test the combat qualities of the rifle, it was handed over to special forces of the Russian law enforcement agencies - the FSB, the Federal Guard Service, and others - and further refinement of the weapon was carried out taking into account the comments of professional users. The ideologist and chief designer of the rifle was A. M. Sorokin, general director of Promtechnology Group of Companies, who worked on the rifle scheme and made the main sketches of the sample. It is worth noting that D.Yu. Semizorov, a veteran of the Vympel special purpose unit (since November 5000, general director of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise TsNIITOCHMASH), made a considerable contribution to the creation and development of the T-2012, by the way, at the exhibition “Engineering Technologies “In June 2012, the improved ORSIS T-5000 rifles chambered for .308“ Winchester ”and .338“ Paw Magnum ”were exhibited at the“ Tsiniitochmash ”stand. The very effective advertising of the new weapon in June of the same year 2012 of the Office of the A team of the FSB Special Purpose Center at the World Sniper Shooting Championship held in Hungary - “Alfovtsy” performed on them with T-5000. About this, however, domestic media have written quite a lot.

Now about the rifles themselves.
Rifle for professional sniper
Butt rifle ORSIS SE T-5000 .338 Grafit Black. The adjustable cheek and the adjustable butt plate are well visible.


Receiver rifle ORSIS SE T-5000 .338 Grafit Black. The folding mechanism of the butt and the latch that holds it in the folded state is visible


The shutter of the ORSIS SE T-5000 .338 Grafit Black rifle when closed. See the fuse in the "fire" position


Bolt lock of the ORSIS SE T-5000 .338 Grafit Black rifle in the rearmost position


Pistol grip rifle ORSIS SE T-5000 .338 Grafit Black


Slot-hole muzzle brake-compensator of the ORSIS SE T-5000 .338 Grafit Black rifle


Like many high-precision sniper rifles, the T-5000 was created on the basis of a sports model. Characteristic choice for high-precision sniper rifle magazine layout and well-established foreign rounds. The latter can again be explained not only by the calculation on the “commercial” market (and the Promtekhnologii Group of Companies is a rare example of thoroughly supplied “private” weapons production for the domestic industry), but also by the deplorable situation with domestic sniper ammunition.

The barrel of the T-5000 rifle, made of special stainless steel, is mounted in the receiver console, a slit muzzle brake compensator is mounted on the muzzle of the barrel, absorbing up to 50% recoil energy. Depending on the caliber of the cartridge, four or six right-side rifling of a rectangular shape are made in the barrel bore. Longitudinal valleys on the outer surface of the trunk allow for the required stiffness while facilitating.

The combat larva of the longitudinally sliding rotary shutter is made according to the “compromise” scheme between the closures of the Remington schemes. The 700 and Mauser models - with two lugs, a cup under the cap of the cartridge case, an ejector and a spring-loaded reflector directly ejecting the cartridge into the window. boxes after removal from the chamber. This scheme allows for reloading with the least noise, the absence in the battle of the larva cut for the passage of the reflector makes locking the barrel more secure and safer. Locking bolt stops when locking are included in the grooves of the receiver. When the shutter is closed, the cap of the liner is covered by concentric rings - a cup of the bolt and the receiver. The shutter is made relatively large, which allows it to provide strength and strengthen the locking assembly. In the stem of the bolt there are holes for the discharge of powder gases in case of their breakthrough through the chamber or the sleeve. Respectively patron “short” or “long” bolt group is used. Receiver and bolt are made of stainless steel.
The trigger mechanism is made with the placement of the striker and the helical combat spring in the cavity of the bolt.

The tail of the drummer, which protrudes behind the slide, allows the state of the percussion mechanism to be determined visually or by touch. The cocking of the firing pin is performed by unlocking (opening) the bolt. Descent - with a warning, the descent force can be adjusted within 0,5-0,9 kgf. Quite a smooth descent contributes to shooting accuracy. A three-position fuse with a flag rotating in a horizontal plane is mounted in the rear part of the gate: in the “safety” position (rear position of the flag), the drummer and the bolt are locked, in the disassembly position (middle), the drummer is blocked, the bolt is free, can be easily pulled back during disassembly (to do this, press the shutter latch on the left side of the receiver), the front position of the flag corresponds to the “fire” state (a bright orange dot opens). When the shutter is closed, its large handle is above the trigger guard, and the fuse box head is accessible to the thumb of the shooter.

Meals from the direct detachable metal shop. Strong fastening of the store contributes to the neck of the receiver, which is part of the lodge.

The layout and balance of the rifle provide a reduction in the “tilting” recoil action. The composite bed is made of lightweight aluminum alloy D16T, for ease of transport and disassembly T-5000 is equipped with a butt folding to the left. The hinged butt assembly is made of steel for greater strength, reliability and elimination of backlash, the joints are made “steel-to-steel”. The butt is equipped with a butt pad, made of wear-resistant rubber and height-adjustable, and height-adjustable stop under the cheek arrow. The butt length is determined by the spacer under the butt pad and is not otherwise adjustable. The receiver rests on the box through a kind of layer impregnated with epoxy resin, which provides not only a better fit, but also a more even distribution of loads.

During the completion of the bed received a number of changes and additions. The most conspicuous is the appearance of the plastic lining of the forearm. Prior to that, the box was calculated primarily on shooting from the stop with the left hand holding the butt (for the right-handed arrow) - which, in fact, was the shape of the butt. According to the comments of the users, the rifle had to be adapted for shooting from a standing position, sitting, from the knee, so that a plastic overlay of the forearm was required. Subsequently, the pad was still lengthened. The shape of the plastic pistol grip control has been improved, in particular, it has received an upper bend in the rear. Thus, the hands of the shooter practically do not touch metal parts, which is especially convenient in cold or, on the contrary, very hot weather. The stock in the folded position was initially fixed by a magnetic latch, but practical tests of the rifle showed the unreliability of such a solution, and a mechanical latch was inserted into the design. The screw, which regulates the position of the “cheek” of the butt, is now rotated “in steps,” the shooter can change its position “on clicks” and it is easy to remember the once found comfortable position. That is, the ergonomics of the weapon improved, first of all. A Picattini-type slider mounted on the receiver allows you to mount various types of sights. The manufacturer itself recommends the use of rifles with pancratic optical sights — by American “Night Force” or domestic comparatively new, but well-proven “Daedalus”. In addition, the Picattini bar can be attached to the front of the box for mounting a pre-objective night attachment to the sight.

In front of the forearm there is a mount for a bipod and rifle belt. Standard rifle completed with a folding height-adjustable bipod of the type "Harris Bipod" - another element widely used in sniper weapons in different countries.

The design of the rifle has implemented a number of generally well-known and proven solutions, but they have been carefully selected, developed and applied in the complex.

Sniper Rifle ORSIS SE T-5000 .308 Desert Sand


Front plate "Pikatini" to install a pre-objective night attachment to the sight


The bolt of the rifle ORSIS SE T-5000 .308 Desert Sand in the rearmost position


Butt rifle ORSIS SE T-5000 .308 Desert Sand with an adjustable butt pad and cheek


Slot-hole muzzle brake-compensator rifle ORSIS SE T-5000 .308 Desert Sand


Manufacturer stamp on the ORSIS SE rifle T-5000 .308 Desert Sand

Current requirements for a high-precision sniper rifle imply a deviation of hits of no more than one angular minute in the absence of wind exposure. Accuracy of shooting T-5000 is characterized by the following data - dispersion hits falls within 0,5 angular minute (MOA) when using high-quality ammunition. Here the manufacturer is also quite strict, recommending rifle cartridges of such proven manufacturers as the German RWS and the Finnish Lapua.

It is clear what a significant contribution to the ballistic qualities of weapons makes the technology of its production. The ORSIS weapon is produced at the Moscow plant of Promtechnologii Group of Companies, which widely uses modern machine tools with numerical program control. For the manufacture of rifling sniper rifles at the factory used single-pass cutting, more precisely, planing with a tapestry. This technology is not as productive as dornirovanie, and quite expensive, however, provides a higher quality bore. It is no coincidence that it is still widely used for the manufacture of high-precision rifle barrels. In one pass through the bore of the barrel, trellis processes one rifle, and removes metal to a depth of about 1 microns, so that at least one 80 passage is required to make one rifling. The CNC machine allows for a fairly wide range to change the number, shape and angle of the rifling. The machine for making grooves is the pride of Promtechnology specialists. To demonstrate the absence of vibrations and smoothness of work, the old method is used here - a coin is placed on the edge of the working machine. The tolerance on the depth of the rifling is 2-2,5 micron (0,002-0,0025 mm), when deploying the chamber, around 2 micron. Instrumental control of the barrel in the laboratory - by length, caliber, cleanliness of processing, pitch of grooves, the ratio of the width of fields and grooves, etc. - is carried out using optical and digital equipment with digital video recording equipment. In the manufacture of the receiver and the gate is used EDM processing. It should be noted that initially a version of the shutter with screw grooves (grooves) milled on the stem, designed to retain fine particles or moisture, was introduced, but with further refinement of such grooves refused.

The “cheek” and pistol grip are milled from high-strength plastic.

On the whole, production is not at all a “transfer to the Russian soil” of the finished technology of any foreign enterprise, but was created anew with the selection of appropriate equipment - mainly foreign-made.

The outer metal surfaces of the rifle have a non-glare ceramic coating of the ceracot type (Cerakote, a solution developed by the American company NIC-Industries), which provides, in particular, high wear resistance of parts. The colors used are known as “black graphite”, “gray sniper”, sandy yellow, olive.

In general, the “cartridge-weapon-sight” complex turns out to be quite expensive, but, on the other hand, the sniper rifle is a professional tool, its certain rise is inevitable, which can be seen in the example of both foreign and domestic sniper complexes.

The rifle T-5000 is offered in various trim levels, in particular, it can be supplied with various belt options. The “Debt-MZ” tactical weapon belt, which can be mounted on the T-5000 in two-point, three-point (“tactical”, with the weapon moving the shooter along the belt in different positions) and biathlon scheme (behind the back like a backpack), looks very original .


Performance characteristics of the rifles ORSIS T-5000
(according to the manufacturer)



The article is written on the basis of materials provided by the Promtechnology Group of Companies.
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 29 January 2014 09: 17 New
    +5
    I think that the arrow with the SVD acting directly in battle formations will not replace anything for a long time. Nothing is said about the sight.
    1. Phaeton
      Phaeton 29 January 2014 09: 43 New
      26
      ORSIS is not intended to replace SVD. She has other tasks.
      1. air wolf
        air wolf 29 January 2014 09: 49 New
        -4
        For these tasks, there is the SV-98 (if you bring it to mind, of course) and we don’t need these NATO cartridges for us.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 29 January 2014 10: 55 New
          15
          and we don’t need NATO patrons to us.

          The 7,62x54 cartridge has a bullet energy of about 3300-3700 Joule, and the .338 Lapua Magnum has about 6500, i.e. almost twice as much. I agree, the feeling that he is "not ours" is a little "gnawing", but still to perform specials. .338 cartridge is preferable.
          1. vanaheym
            vanaheym 29 January 2014 14: 56 New
            17
            Quote: Wiruz
            a little "gnaws" the feeling that he is "not ours"

            In order not to gnaw that it is not "ours", you can call it not .338 Lapua Magnum, but "cartridge SC-152 8.6x70mm", then everything will be OK :)
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          3. Hon
            Hon 29 January 2014 17: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: Wiruz
            I agree, a little "gnaws" the feeling that he is "not ours",

            To establish the production of foreign cartridges is better than creating your own. The cartridge has a wide distribution in the world, which means that if necessary, you can use the trophy, in addition, it is less expensive.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 11 February 2014 09: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Hon
              To establish the production of foreign cartridges is better than creating your own. The cartridge has a wide distribution in the world, which means that if necessary, you can use the trophy, in addition, it is less expensive.

              In the USSR, there was a different approach to this issue, though in the field of artillery ...

              Before the Second World War, an 82mm mortar was put into service, the mines of which did not "climb" into the German barrel, thus depriving the Nazis of the opportunity to use our ammunition ...
              And the German, on the contrary, flew out of our "whistle" ...
              1. Tig_1971
                Tig_1971 25 March 2014 14: 24 New
                0
                Is it possible to apply to rifled trunks?
              2. Tig_1971
                Tig_1971 25 March 2014 14: 24 New
                0
                Is it possible to apply to rifled trunks?
          4. Samaritan
            Samaritan 29 January 2014 23: 39 New
            +1
            Dear, you didn’t forget that in Ulyanovsk they built a plant for the production of cartridges specifically for ORSISU drinks

            Only the production of the rifle itself:

            Also, the presentation of orsis for biathlon was held: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/41611/
        2. Jin
          Jin 29 January 2014 15: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: air wolf
          and we don’t need NATO patrons to us.

          Nobody personally offers them to you, colleague! Do we have a domestic analogue?
          1. vlad.1924
            vlad.1924 8 February 2014 18: 36 New
            -5
            Well, of course they made it from the decommissioned trunks of the US Army, well, it’s necessary to sell, no one takes it, well, why not honestly shove the Russian army as a professional sniper rifle? Well, to protect private property, okay, well, with a stretch for anti-terror, for sport and hunting, that's all ... It’s not suitable for war ...
        3. Jin
          Jin 29 January 2014 15: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: air wolf
          For these tasks there is SV-98 (if brought to mind of course)


          Do not confuse two hammers - simple and jack-off! SV does not have the same tasks!
        4. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 18 February 2014 13: 29 New
          0
          SV-98 - an attempt to make an army sniper out of a sports rifle. Nothing good came of it. The same R-700 has so far become a worthy apparatus for the military half a century has passed. By that time, excellent rifles had been developed that were designed strictly according to the requirements of the military. This is not that rifle.
        5. Pit Bull59
          Pit Bull59 11 June 2014 07: 13 New
          0
          I do not agree. KILL THE ENEMY WITH THE SAME WEAPON. And if the sniper acts behind enemy lines. Where will he find our ammo from the Americans? ))) - JOKE.
      2. air wolf
        air wolf 29 January 2014 09: 53 New
        -4
        The tasks of a sniper rifle are the same, if we consider our welded cartridge and 308 hard drives.
        1. Jin
          Jin 29 January 2014 15: 00 New
          +7
          Quote: air wolf
          The tasks of a sniper rifle are the same, if we consider our welded cartridge and 308 hard drives.


          Yeah, basically, yes ... but in range and accuracy, they are completely different. You will not get from SVD into what you get from ORSIS (long distances).
        2. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 18 February 2014 13: 32 New
          +1
          7,62x54P - today has become the UG for sniper shooting. Google ballistic tables for 0.308 and compare.
    2. Jin
      Jin 29 January 2014 15: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Igor39
      I think that the arrow with the SVD acting directly in battle formations will not replace anything for a long time


      You think correctly! SVD combined arms rifle, ORSIS tactical (special), if you like. Why do specialists have many special weapons? Do you think it's a whim? No - a necessity! Sorry, to "kill" such rifles and optics in the trenches, and even with just anyone ... um, it's very expensive!
  2. air wolf
    air wolf 29 January 2014 09: 24 New
    0
    And why such a rifle in the army? SVD with good ammunition gives an angular minute easily. And if you make her forged barrel, then Orsis will smoke.
    1. PANZER
      PANZER 29 January 2014 09: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: air wolf
      And why such a rifle in the army?

      In the troops in the broad sense of the word, there is no reason for it; it is for special forces, such as the FSO and the FSB. I think TsSN-novtsy will appreciate it. For the troops, in any case, a semi-automatic rifle is needed. It is embarrassing that it was not made under our patron.
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    3. Hon
      Hon 29 January 2014 18: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: air wolf
      And why such a rifle in the army? SVD with good ammunition gives an angular minute easily. And if you make her forged barrel, then Orsis will smoke.

      A boltovik will never smoke compared to self-loading. Massively in the troops it will not be. Why is it needed? For working over long distances, as well as for high-precision shooting, in SVD the principle of one target, one bullet is not realized. For example, in Afghanistan, Canadians often use tactics, in the mountains a sniper deuce is located at a greater distance from the enemy’s route, but at the same time they can shoot him well. when oslothrakhs appear, they simply shoot them as in a dash; there is no way to get snipers with small arms because of the greater distance.
  3. avt
    avt 29 January 2014 09: 38 New
    +5
    For an article like a review of a specific weapon plus.
    Quote: air wolf
    And why such a rifle in the army?

    And unless somewhere they wrote that it goes to replace the SVD ?? They even don’t take it into service yet - the cartridge has not been accepted. So far, only an offer with claims to a place on the arms market.
    1. air wolf
      air wolf 29 January 2014 09: 47 New
      -1
      If the 9 mm SVD is brought to mind, then Orsis and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are not needed, for those grandmas that he stands, you can equip a platoon of snipers with normal sights. In a special operation, well, you can buy a couple of trunks in the FSB.
      1. Silent
        Silent 29 January 2014 10: 41 New
        17
        Why exactly SVD? Let's use AK exclusively, it's even cheaper. You can also return from the warehouses three-ruler. And someone says that they shoot well from a slingshot .....
        But seriously, the SVD, despite the fact that this is an excellent rifle, will never replace a high-quality sniper bolt. It is very good that Russia understood this and drew attention to the new manufacturer.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 29 January 2014 11: 02 New
          +3
          hi
          (how pleasant it is to read the comment of an intelligent person)
        2. avt
          avt 29 January 2014 11: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Silent
          Let's use AK exclusively, it's even cheaper. You can also return from the warehouses three-ruler. And someone says that they shoot well from a slingshot .....

          Why wouldn’t you say this to the Amers, who are holding the upgraded M14 weapons?
          Quote: Silent
          But seriously, the SVD, despite the fact that this is an excellent rifle, will never replace a high-quality sniper bolt.

          Imagine the Americans, from whom, in general, Promtekhnologiya took the manufacturing technology and even produces civilian models of the M16, they do not oppose the M14 in the military segment to the bolt-ons. In general, the difference between these samples was quite specifically and professionally discussed on the site, just look in the archive.
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 29 January 2014 12: 42 New
            +2
            And Mr. Molchun is actually talking about that. Americans (clever people) have both a rifle and a half-rifle in the army for different tasks. And here everything rests against the bureaucracy, they say the grenades they have in the wrong system.
            1. avt
              avt 29 January 2014 12: 55 New
              0
              Quote: Obliterator
              And Mr. Molchun is actually talking about that. Americans (clever people) have both a rifle and a half-rifle in the army for different tasks.

              And do we really have no bolts!?
              Quote: Obliterator
              And here everything rests against the bureaucracy, they say the grenades they have in the wrong system.

              Well, you don’t need to fall into insanity. The special service is buying imported samples for themselves under their own cartridges and the FSB English rifles bought Finnish cartridges. Another gave more massive army weapons with a centralized ammunition supply system.
              Quote: Silent
              You can also return from the warehouses three-ruler.

              By the way, I heard a few opinions from people shooting from a sniper version. So the statements were very positive, they only noted the need to install new optics, and, preferably, the bed is more ergonomic.
              1. Obliterator
                Obliterator 29 January 2014 14: 38 New
                0
                Quote: avt
                And do we really have no bolts!?

                Something is not visible in the army. Otherwise, they would not have moved to Staira.
                Quote: avt
                Well, you don’t need to fall into insanity. The special service is buying imported samples for themselves under their own cartridges and the FSB English rifles bought Finnish cartridges. Another gave more massive army weapons with a centralized ammunition supply system.

                So the army also needs such weapons, is it really difficult to understand. With money and desire, you can solve the supply problem, and returning to the last century for the three-rulers is at least silly.
                1. avt
                  avt 29 January 2014 15: 35 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Obliterator
                  Otherwise, they would not have moved to Staira.

                  To get started, read the story of their specific appearance in the army and a review of them, well, at least Shamanov.
                  Quote: Obliterator
                  So the army also needs such weapons, is it really difficult to understand.

                  It's not what you need. Is it really difficult to understand that there are certain requirements for the adoption of one or another weapon system, in this case the rifle - cartridge system and these rules and requirements are not something stupid and ossified, but quite a norm written in blood. And you need to adopt it precisely for them, and not as your left leg wants, or because it’s beautiful and like in general, and even the son works there.
                  1. Obliterator
                    Obliterator 29 January 2014 16: 37 New
                    0
                    Quote: avt
                    It's not what you need. Is it really difficult to understand that there are certain requirements for the adoption of one or another weapon system, in this case the rifle - cartridge system and these rules and requirements are not something stupid and ossified, but quite a norm written in blood. And you need to adopt it precisely for them, and not as your left leg wants, or because it’s beautiful and like in general, and even the son works there.

                    So what is the norm? What to accept a weapon complex with a sight and a cartridge? Nobody argues with this, special sniper cartridges for ORSIS, by the way, are about to begin to be done at one of the plants (http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051124051052052048050.html). The son in Promtechnologies, by the way, already does not work.
                    Quote: avt
                    To get started, read the story of their specific appearance in the army and a review of them, well, at least Shamanov.

                    Yes, it does not even matter. The whole question is competition.
          2. vanaheym
            vanaheym 29 January 2014 15: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: avt
            Why wouldn’t you say this to the Amers, who are holding the upgraded M14 weapons?

            And they have upgraded M14 - this is not a sniper weapon, but Designated Marksman Rifle, used in the squad at distances up to 800 meters. That is, a complete analogue of using SVD, only with the best optics.
            American bolt rifles are used precisely by snipers and at distances significantly exceeding 800 meters.
            Therefore - SVD for its own purposes, bolts - for its own.
            1. avt
              avt 29 January 2014 15: 26 New
              0
              Quote: vanaheym
              Therefore - SVD for its own purposes, bolts - for its own.

              This is quite understandable to me, but try to explain this to those who choose sweets for a beautiful wrapper, without looking at what is actually inside, and even then they demand to throw out a loaf of bread - it is not sweet and not packaged like Snickers.
              1. vanaheym
                vanaheym 29 January 2014 16: 05 New
                +4
                "Orsis T-5000" in the base with bedding and stainless steel barrel, even in Ukraine, taking into account delivery and customs clearance, is cheaper for sale than SV-98 with a barrel made of ferrous metal and a plywood bed, produced by a state-owned enterprise for the Russian army.
              2. Sergeantpro
                Sergeantpro 18 February 2014 13: 40 New
                +3
                The dull SV-98 WITHOUT a sight, with a piece of wood in 2010, was supplied to government agencies at a price of $ 4600 (in terms of). Look at the price of Orsis T5000. Well, in terms of quality. Chat with the owners. You hear a lot of interesting things.
        3. air wolf
          air wolf 29 January 2014 13: 09 New
          -8
          I don’t understand, if you need an accurate shot, then invest in the SVD or Tiger yourself in the barrel, and when the bolt is inserted, the nozzle is crushed when the cartridge is fed. Therefore, all target rifles are single-shot.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 29 January 2014 13: 11 New
            +4
            Quote: air wolf
            I don’t understand, if you need an accurate shot, then invest in the SVD or Tiger yourself in the barrel, and when the bolt is inserted, the nozzle is crushed when the cartridge is fed.

            Dmitry, do not write nonsense.
            1. air wolf
              air wolf 29 January 2014 13: 24 New
              +2
              I am a hunter with great experience, not to mention my hobbies in sports shooting and many years of service in law enforcement agencies, I write about what I came to over the years. All match rifles are single-shot. I had such an SM-2 during the Soviet Union, a bullet hit a bullet. I regret that I did not save the target.
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 29 January 2014 13: 39 New
                0
                Quote: air wolf
                I am a hunter with great experience, not to mention my hobbies in sports shooting and many years of service in law enforcement agencies, I write about what I came to over the years.

                I'm very happy for you. The 7,62x54 cartridge has a bullet speed of about 800 m / s, .338LapMag for 900 m / s with almost twice as much bullet energy. In general, I wrote about squeezing the nose of a bullet in the bolts, did you get this from the practice of power structures or from the hunting experience?
                1. Sergeantpro
                  Sergeantpro 18 February 2014 13: 42 New
                  0
                  Hunter with a half-shell))
              2. vanaheym
                vanaheym 29 January 2014 15: 09 New
                +7
                The .338LM cartridge rifle is used at distances where neither .308Win nor 7.62x54 work anymore, no matter how anyone likes SVD.
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 29 January 2014 17: 07 New
                  0
                  Quote: vanaheym
                  The .338LM cartridge rifle is used at distances where neither .308Win nor 7.62x54 work anymore, no matter how anyone likes SVD.

                  This is exactly what I want to say that the cartridge itself is imprisoned for other tasks.
              3. Jin
                Jin 29 January 2014 15: 46 New
                +3
                Quote: air wolf
                not to mention my passion for shooting sports


                Ltd! I see a colleague! I also shoot, I have a rifle and optics, I understand something in this, I try to convey to my colleagues some elementary things ... to compare SVD, SV and ORSIS, this is at least from ignorance of the topic ...
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 January 2014 11: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: air wolf
        If you bring 9 mm SVD to mind,

        And why for SVD 9mm, do not tell me? And what kind of cartridge do you mean by 9mm?
        1. Jin
          Jin 29 January 2014 15: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          And why for SVD 9mm, do not tell me? And what kind of cartridge do you mean by 9mm?


          This is not even the case with a colleague! There below is my post on the same comment ...
          1. alex-cn
            alex-cn 29 January 2014 16: 21 New
            +1
            worked on 9x64, it gave almost nothing, and left her "tiger"
            1. Jin
              Jin 29 January 2014 21: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: alex-cn
              worked on 9x64, it didn’t do much,


              + from me, to you. It is interesting that at the exit they planned to "remove" from this rifle (what improvement do I mean), increasing only the caliber (or rather, changing the ammunition) ??? At what, often, it is under the cartridge that weapons are created. More deeply, the cartridge-weapon, as a complex (with a sniper also high-quality optics,prices from about !!! 150 000 rub !!!) I do not mean PSO, of course !!! sad and serious, professional optics. In short, under the new cartridge you need to refine (or even design) the barrel itself, and seriously, if you want positive results, of course ... rather than stupidly reinforce the trigger and all their tails that grow from here ... and all this modernization, again, so loot ... and not sour at what. It’s easier to stamp SVD-shku (a rifle, however excellent for its purposes, but not that it’s not forever under this sky and no one stands still sad ), stupidly replacing the butt (with a folding-adjustable one, this "coolness" 10 years ago should have been considered relevant just in case sad and implement), forend and pistol grip on impact-resistant plastic ... Wow !!! What a cool thing !!! Waaaa! Oooooo! I sometimes clench my fists to pain, it's a shame, damn it, for such "upgrades" sad .... AND! I forgot, I have no forgiveness !!! Plank Picatinny !!! Well, that’s it, now the super barrel is definitely ready! Please shave! sad
        2. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 30 January 2014 11: 06 New
          0
          most likely 9,3 × 64 mm brannecke. so it is more hunting, because it is slow-moving, and the trajectory is "mortar"
      3. Wiruz
        Wiruz 29 January 2014 11: 01 New
        +1
        I understand that you are talking about SVDK under 9,3x64. So this cartridge for jewelry work is not good. He has an effective range of 600-700 meters.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 29 January 2014 11: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Wiruz
          So this cartridge for jewelry work is not good. He has an effective range of 600-700 meters.

          What we are talking about, the larger the caliber and the heavier the bullet, the steeper the trajectory, which is why we made a high-precision bolt for .338LapMag and .300WinMag, we simply do not have such cartridges. request
        2. air wolf
          air wolf 29 January 2014 12: 57 New
          -1
          I’m not sure about the range, but SVDK at 9,3x64 has a future if you perform a good sniper cartridge for this caliber up to 1 MOA.
          1. Sergeantpro
            Sergeantpro 18 February 2014 13: 47 New
            +1
            There is no future for SVDK. It is stillborn.
      4. Jin
        Jin 29 January 2014 15: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: air wolf
        If the 9 mm SVD is brought to mind, then Orsis and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are not needed


        And again, you're talking about too ... It's not about caliber! The point is the quality of workmanship, technology and materials! Why do you think ORSIS costs such money, and optics for it? these are rather low-rifle rifles, and mass-produced SVD (of any caliber) mass !!! And much cheaper in this ... hence the characteristics of the weapon ...
        1. alex-cn
          alex-cn 29 January 2014 16: 26 New
          +3
          9x64 basically a hunting cartridge designed for shooting max. 300-400 meters. and no matter how you lick it, it won’t be sniper. Only a new specially sniper one. Something skipped about the development of 9x70.
      5. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 30 January 2014 10: 55 New
        0
        you take a look at the state procurement website, look at the price tag on sv-98, and especially at Hyperion’s sight, then blaze righteous with anger. There will be no ORSIS in the army, not a lot to be cut on it for a long time.
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 18 February 2014 13: 51 New
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          Once again: the SV-98 was delivered to the Ministry of Internal Affairs at a price of 148000 rubles without a sight. Hyperon is a complete squalor that only nuts can crack. Upon receipt, it is recommended only to smash into the nearest corner. Delivered to the Ministry of Internal Affairs at the price of a decent Lupold.
          1. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 22 February 2014 19: 50 New
            +1
            My dear, what am I talking about? More than 300 kilo rubles for Izhevsk crafts, or the same money for a normal screw, with a good sight? But the Izhevsk product goes to the troops. You yourself know the reason.
            Read the entire discussion thread, as in a joke with a bearded man:
            two deafs on the shore met:
            -Hi, are you catching fish?
            -No, I catch fish!
            -Aaa..I thought you were catching fish ...
            1. Sergeantpro
              Sergeantpro 23 February 2014 03: 53 New
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              Yeah ... The chain here oh how complicated))) Indeed, we are talking about one thing.
              Just having tried SV-98 I don’t understand why in it, trying to oppose it to ORSIS. It is a complete weapon. CSN already has in the arsenal, but did not meet fools there)
  4. Wiruz
    Wiruz 29 January 2014 11: 03 New
    0
    Gentlemen, comrades, a little off topic but still I ask, what is there with the VS-8? Can you already forget about her? No one knows?
  5. bullet
    bullet 29 January 2014 11: 24 New
    +1
    "In general, the" cartridge-weapon-sight "complex turns out to be quite expensive, but on the other hand
    a sniper rifle is a professional tool, its certain rise in price is inevitable, which can be seen in the example of both foreign and domestic sniper systems. "
    Question: where is the complex? Ammunition in Russia has not yet been produced, not adopted for service; sights - who has enough money for that. So where is the complex?
    Regarding the praise of its goods by "Promtechnology" - this is the usual PR, promotion of their products to the sales markets. Where are the reviews of real users? According to my information, not everything is perfect there.
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 29 January 2014 15: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: bullet
      Ammunition in Russia has not yet been produced, not adopted for service;

      In Russia .338LM cartridges are produced under the name SC-152
    2. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 18 February 2014 13: 52 New
      0
      Ask for reviews in the SPC. They already have them. Well, there are already enough users on the Hansa.
  6. Smol79
    Smol79 29 January 2014 11: 51 New
    0
    Under Orsis, they will make a plant or a line for the production of cartridges, otherwise the Ministry of Internal Affairs will not take it into service. And industrial technology took imported ammunition based on export, plus it is believed that the Russian are of poor quality (poor gunpowder, poorly centered)
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 29 January 2014 12: 12 New
      +2
      citation-In Russia, a new sniper rifle T-5000 ORSIS has been developed, which can replace the currently popular models of foreign production in domestic special forces.
    2. Obliterator
      Obliterator 29 January 2014 12: 30 New
      +1
      Well, actually in Russia at least 2 factories produce cartridges of this caliber. But they work more for hunters, and snipers prefer to order cartridges from reputable companies because of the border.
      1. Smol79
        Smol79 29 January 2014 12: 38 New
        0
        It does not work to buy cartridges from abroad for the state structure with budget money; in LJ Cardin (K_a_r_d_e_n) he writes that they have rifles without ammunition in their unit.
        I read that Rogozin’s son left industrial technology and is allegedly engaged in the construction of a plant for the production of foreign ammunition, just under Orsis.
  7. vomag
    vomag 29 January 2014 12: 28 New
    0
    And for me it’s better to have one T-5000 in three calibers than a whole lot of junk there (British AW "Europe International", Finnish TRG-21 and TRG-22 "Saco", German AMP, etc.).
  8. Alexey M
    Alexey M 29 January 2014 12: 45 New
    -8
    I wonder where to use this rifle? In the city you can’t shoot at 1500m, in the forest, in the mountains, is it also doubtful, in the steppes of Mongolia and Kazakhstan? But at short distances, as I understand it, there are no advantages over the SVD. 12,7 Now this thing of the enemy can be shot through the walls and no one needs to be sent for an assault.
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 29 January 2014 15: 15 New
      +3
      In the mountains, it’s the most
    2. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 30 January 2014 11: 13 New
      0
      you still drag the 50 caliber rifle to a place secretly. theorists
    3. vlad.1924
      vlad.1924 8 February 2014 18: 26 New
      -1
      For security structures just right, but not for army snipers ...
  9. Obliterator
    Obliterator 29 January 2014 13: 01 New
    -2
    Special forces have enough rifles. The main thing is that the ORSISs join the army, because it is there that such good rifles are not enough. However, for this it is still necessary to provide them with a body kit and cartridges. However, since Russia does not make good suitable sights for such a rifle, it makes sense to purchase them abroad from some office quoted in the ranks of the special forces. And since the price is small (for the military budget), you can buy a lot right away, and with a margin for the future. Or purchase a license for their production. With cartridges it’s more difficult, because you need a lot of them right away, so you won’t be able to buy over the hill, as with the kit. We need to create for ourselves, and not only the line for assembling the cartridges themselves, but also the gunpowder need better ones. And as for gunpowder, I hope that it is not in vain that the son of Dmitry Rogozin (who had previously had a direct relationship with the production of ORSIS) led the powder factory, maybe he will get good.
    1. air wolf
      air wolf 29 January 2014 13: 12 New
      0
      Yes, Orsis is not needed in the army!
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 29 January 2014 13: 17 New
        +3
        Justify. If for money, then by the cash register, because at a price it costs even less than sv-98.
      2. Jin
        Jin 29 January 2014 15: 53 New
        0
        Quote: air wolf
        Yes, Orsis is not needed in the army!


        + I agree.
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 23 February 2014 03: 55 New
          0
          And the Snipers will buy the Stayers, right?
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      4. Hon
        Hon 29 January 2014 18: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: air wolf
        Yes, Orsis is not needed in the army!

        As a mass weapon, of course not needed. but for specialists performing specific point tasks, such a rifle is necessary.

        Tell me the SV-98? Whatever the Accuracy International L96
        1. Jin
          Jin 29 January 2014 21: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Hon
          As a mass weapon, of course not needed. but for specialists performing specific point tasks, such a rifle is necessary.


          + to you. This is just a "tool" for professionals, not a publicly available SVD paddle (I have a great attitude to this magnificent barrel), but !!! Soup should be eaten with a spoon, not a fork ... So that any "device" can be applied to your "dish" and not otherwise ...
      5. vlad.1924
        vlad.1924 8 February 2014 18: 24 New
        -1
        No ORSIS is needed by the snipers of the Russian army, but to guard the oligarchs, just right ...
  10. tracer
    tracer 29 January 2014 16: 47 New
    +6
    The rifle is great. This is understood by all who are in the "topic." To argue or prove its extreme necessity with "experts" of the class (and the Kalash breaks through the rail wassat ) stupid and pointless. This information pleases specialists, or shooters of athletes, just lovers of weapons. Everyone who really understands what it means to develop and create a modern sniper rifle. A rifle of such a class as air is needed both in special forces and the Army. Yes, yes, brothers in the Army. Being an Army sniper, I was not happy with the accuracy and accuracy of the SVD, but there was nothing else. SVD is good only for solving strictly assigned tasks. And there are certainly good arrows in the Army, and there are many of them. Or someone will say that we have 20-year-old soldiers who are really sick on their heads, and every one of them can not really shoot, they will break this igruha like a shovel? This rifle will faithfully fill a niche between noiseless guns, SVD, and large-caliber rifles. But there are problems associated with the adoption of high-precision rifles. There are two problems in my opinion. The first is sights, the second is high-quality cartridges. And the most important of them is OPTICAL, night vision and electronic sights. This rifle is perfect, but without a sight it means nothing by itself. A sniper complex is always a shooter, rifle, cartridge, sight. And in no other way it does not work. The rifle is good and okay, I rejoice with those who understand the importance of precision sniper weapons in protecting the interests of the MOTHERLAND.
    1. Jin
      Jin 29 January 2014 21: 52 New
      0
      Quote: tracer
      A rifle of such a class as air is needed both in special forces and the Army. Yes, yes, brothers in the Army. Being an Army sniper, I was not happy with the accuracy and accuracy of the SVD, but there was nothing else. SVD is good only for solving strictly assigned tasks. And there are certainly good arrows in the Army, and there are many of them.


      There are arrows, about SVD-point, but here's ORSIS, not for the army. We need a more massive, more budgetary barrel and optics. Even if the performance characteristics are slightly lower than ORSIS, for combined arms combat more than! And, what is important, for less "exotic" ammunition, unified with those in service. If you look across the country, it should be clear what I mean. After all, she must be- combined arms! It is filling a niche that you have rightly mentioned here.
      1. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 18 February 2014 13: 58 New
        +1
        And what is so exotic about Orsis that it becomes non-Orthodox? And with what ammunition do you want to unify? 7,62х54Р not to offer! And what do you think "budget" means? SV-98 was also conceived as a budget, but it turned out like a lousy Zaporozhets at the price of a Bentley ...
    2. vlad.1924
      vlad.1924 8 February 2014 18: 23 New
      -2
      With this "toy" ORSIS you will be shot by a NATO sniper. In Afghanistan, NATO snipers calmly shoot aiming at 2-3 km, and this T-5000 with a powerful NATO cartridge of 9 mm caliber shoots aiming only at 1-1,5 km ...
      1. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 10 February 2014 14: 28 New
        +2
        what target in afghan do snipers shoot at three kilometers? Please clarify. With a technical accuracy of 0.5 MOA, at three kilometers, we obtain a dispersion diameter of 0.5 m (neglecting other factors). You will fall into a calmly standing person purely by accident. And considering other factors, such as wind, bullet flight time ... .50BMG- for shooting light vehicles and equipment, such as radar antennas. Two-legged bipedals at such distances are shot by artillery in batches. 1500-1600 m is a realistic, although already quite difficult distance for "work". Ask around those who shoot Long Range at benchrest
      2. Turkir
        Turkir 31 March 2014 10: 15 New
        0
        Are there any details?
        Everything is relative. And then: it is necessary, it is not necessary.
        I read, I read, and yet no one writes in detail, but what about our enemies?
        What is taken from them: in the infantry and what is in the special troops.
        It is necessary to dance from that side. Then it will become clear what is needed and what is the time to throw it away.
        And it's not about the price.
  11. bullet
    bullet 29 January 2014 16: 59 New
    -1
    Quote: vanaheym
    Quote: bullet
    Ammunition in Russia has not yet been produced, not adopted for service;

    In Russia .338LM cartridges are produced under the name SC-152

    You want to say that TsKIIIB SOO mass-produces this ammunition for law enforcement agencies? I will say according to Stanislavsky - I do not believe !!!
  12. denkastro
    denkastro 29 January 2014 17: 28 New
    0
    We would like our gunsmiths to create their cartridge according to their characteristics not inferior to (at least) the 408CT nashashinoye. At ranges of more than 700 meters, the energy of a 408 caliber bullet is higher than the energy of a 50 Browning bullet at the same range, while due to the special shape and design of the bullet it has a very large ballistic coefficient, and maintains supersonic speed at a distance of more than 2000 meters, despite the fact that the cartridge .408 is 30% lighter and creates less return.
  13. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 29 January 2014 17: 33 New
    0
    She is very kind of all elegant, like a young lady ... Unusual for domestic weapons. But times are changing. I think a cool rifle. good
  14. Massik
    Massik 29 January 2014 17: 41 New
    0
    under .408 it’s a pity no, they could completely replace the semi-anti-tank OSV, all the same 12.7 are too big for sniper weapons ...
    1. Hon
      Hon 29 January 2014 18: 04 New
      0
      and 12.7 are anti-material rifles, they often have accuracy of more than a minute and, in general, machine-gun cartridges.
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  15. Alexey M
    Alexey M 29 January 2014 20: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Hon
    and 12.7 are anti-material rifles, they often have accuracy of more than a minute and, in general, machine-gun cartridges.

    But penetration is on the level. Imagine shelling the militants in the house when neither the walls nor the armor save. Or columns on the march, or a helicopter that you would prefer an accurate rifle with 20 shots per minute or not accurate but with 60 and from which the armor does not save. in real conditions, I think so few people shoot for a kilometer.
    Experts advise which distance for shooting is the most optimal in real conditions and not at a shooting range?
    1. tracer
      tracer 29 January 2014 20: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexey M
      Experts advise which distance for shooting is the most optimal in real conditions and not at a shooting range?
      Your question is from the series "Which car is the coolest?" In order to get an accurate answer, you need to ask an equally accurate question. I will try to answer you all right. "you do not choose the oath, but the oath chooses you" DMB ... So it is the range (situation) that determines the effectiveness of the weapon, and therefore the optimal distance for this type of weapon. Situation ...
      1) A soldier sits in a broken house, militants run around the streets .. the distance from 15 meters to 100 is farther from smoke and dust .. nothing is visible. Real?
      2) security of a checkpoint, for example, at the intersection of roads, around concrete slabs, the inspection post itself, a road or roads .. a distance of 25 to 400 meters or even more. How is the situation? Real?
      3) Situation The bastard put a gun to the head of the hostage, he leaned out of the plane and talks to negotiators. How is this situation?
      Here are three situations out of a million situations that a sniper might face. If there is time to prepare, then the sniper will inevitably make the right choice of weapon, whether it be an army SVD, Vintorez, or a high-precision bolt sniper, for example Sako, or a Mannlicher in caliber 300 Vin Mage, or ASVK. A sniper (not everyone but where necessary) can choose a 22 LR rifle, if there is such a need, and the possibility of using it. And it is impossible to say for example the best distance for a sniper of 300-400 meters or 1000 meters in principle. The sniper must cope with the situation according to the capabilities and technical characteristics of this type of weapon, no more, no less. And any sniper knows this. For example, from a small-bore rifle, you can easily hit the hand holding the pistol by knocking it out and thus neutralize the criminal. But no further than 75 meters. Effective? And if from a distance of 75 meters in the same situation to shoot from the ASVK caliber 12,7? I think that not only the pistol will knock it out of hand ... to put it mildly, quite gently. I emphasize once again .. The possibility of an "effective" shot always depends on the situation and the task of the sniper. This is what determines whether he can make that "Effective" shot or not.
      1. Jin
        Jin 29 January 2014 21: 59 New
        0
        Quote: tracer
        Your question is from the series "Which car is the coolest?"


        smile good

        Quote: tracer
        Situation The bastard put a gun to the head of the hostage, he leaned out of the plane and talks to negotiators. How is this situation?


        I missed IMHO: ... distania 800-1200 meters ...
        1. tracer
          tracer 29 January 2014 23: 10 New
          +1
          It is at these distances that the .338 Lapua caliber, even a little larger, works excellently. This is why the Orsis rifle is so essential. It has its own "niche" and its own purpose. Although in this situation, no one will beat the plane, most likely it will cost a sudden silent point-blank .... wink
          1. Jin
            Jin 30 January 2014 11: 47 New
            0
            Quote: tracer
            Although in this situation no one will hit the plane, most likely it will cost a sudden noiseless point-blank ...


            I’m not talking about this a bit) I’m talking about a distance inaccessible to SVD and a situation in which the use of large-caliber rifles is excluded ... just the same case hi
          2. vlad.1924
            vlad.1924 8 February 2014 18: 16 New
            -3
            In NATO, such rifles aim accurately at 2-3 km ... And with ORSIS, a sniper is easy prey for a NATO sniper ...
            1. Sergeantpro
              Sergeantpro 18 February 2014 14: 02 New
              0
              Twice in a row they wrote the same nonsense.
      2. Alexey M
        Alexey M 30 January 2014 14: 09 New
        +1
        So here is the answer. Orsis is needed in piece copies and SVD and large-caliber rifles in each platoon, or rather in the company.
        1. vlad.1924
          vlad.1924 8 February 2014 18: 14 New
          -1
          ORSIS does not need the Russian army this weapon under the NATO cartridge already yesterday ...
        2. Turkir
          Turkir 31 March 2014 10: 18 New
          0
          And what about the Americans in every company?
          Are there any details?
  16. saag
    saag 29 January 2014 20: 10 New
    0
    what a wonderful tool, there is nothing particularly special in it, an analog of a three-ruler, SVD is even more complicated, it’s just a very good barrel, it’s very, never will do such SVD, there are no such machines
    1. vlad.1924
      vlad.1924 8 February 2014 18: 12 New
      -2
      Upgraded SVD is better ...
      1. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 11 February 2014 09: 35 New
        0
        vlad.1924 RU February 8, 2014 18:12 ↑
        Upgraded SVD is better ...-for what?
  17. oleggelo69
    oleggelo69 30 January 2014 01: 28 New
    0
    Beautiful rifle!
    1. vlad.1924
      vlad.1924 8 February 2014 18: 11 New
      0
      For a collection...
  18. vlad.1924
    vlad.1924 8 February 2014 18: 10 New
    -2
    The T-5000 is a weapon under the NATO cartridge only for competition or hunting made from decommissioned trunks purchased in the United States. Not a single professional army in the world will use this rifle, especially for military army snipers .... Sighting range of 1500 m with a 9mm NATO cartridge ... The retracted range of 7.62mm caliber upgraded SVDs is the same ... Well, anything worthwhile does not allow the length of the barrel stocks purchased in the US written off from the US Army for no need ... In NATO, army sniper rifles aim at 2-3 to 9mm ..
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 11 February 2014 09: 36 New
      +1
      rub the troll already, or something ... blatant illiteracy
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 31 March 2014 10: 20 New
      0
      What kind of army sniper rifles?
  19. eye276
    eye276 17 February 2014 10: 06 New
    0
    this is all the theory of specificity only in that our ORSIS? it is far from our SVD, yes, from beginning to end, and the problem specifically with ORSIS is not in the imported cartridge or something similar, the problem is that there is no scale of production for the needs of at least special units and also, for example, to take 3 pieces of these T - 5000 and disassemble and 3 will be assembled only if the numbers on all the details match that for army sniper rifles is not acceptable and for the 338 caliber the special forces have P-08 and for 308 they also have a drawback of only one weight and the ORSIS has not yet grown to the army sniper rifles they are well done of course py At least there’s nothing to be said about our defense enterprises. SV -98 doesn’t count; it’s just a parody of a rifle, if only because it doesn’t have a combat stop as such plus the same cartridge that, say, doesn’t quite meet the set objectives, plus not quite high-quality production total minus sniper rifle
  20. LastLine
    LastLine 8 September 2014 20: 27 New
    0
    handsome man
    it's just a masterpiece. accuracy and power are superior
  21. air wolf
    air wolf 1 January 2015 20: 12 New
    0
    And for army snipers it would be better to make SVD-M in 338LM soldier