Started repairing the missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"

A few days ago, work under the project for the repair and modernization of the heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (the 1144 Orlan project) went into the active phase. Over the next few months, the staff of the Severodvinsk enterprise Sevmash will prepare the ship for the main work. It will lead into the bulk pool, after which the dismantling of some units and the installation of others will begin. Currently, shipbuilders are preparing special equipment designed to transport the ship.

In May, 2013, the Deputy Minister of Defense, Y. Borisov, and the General Director of Sevmash, M. Budnichenko, signed a contract according to which the shipyard should repair and upgrade the cruiser “Admiral Nakhimov”. This ship in the middle of 1999, was put on medium repair. For a number of reasons, this repair was delayed and the cruiser remained until recently at the berth of the Sevmash. A few years ago, preparations began for a full-scale modernization of the ship with a radical upgrade of electronic equipment and weapons.

According to the press service of the Sevmash plant, the schedule for the current 2014 year is already ready. The first and most difficult task that needs to be completed in the near future is the transfer of the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser from the mooring wall to the bulk basin. To this end, the ship will facilitate, dismantling part of the large and heavy equipment that needs to be replaced or repaired. In addition, now employees of Sevmash are building special pontoons, with the help of which the cruiser will be transferred through the threshold of the bat-port. Also, the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will soon be transferred from regular power to technological.

The project of upgrading the heavy nuclear missile cruiser “Admiral Nakhimov” is being developed by the Petersburg North Design Bureau (SPKB), which had previously developed the Orn 1144 ships themselves. Details of the project are not yet known. During the last time, various information about various features of modernization has repeatedly appeared, however, it is extremely scarce and in most cases has not received official confirmation.

After the ship is moved to the enterprise’s bulk pool, the dismantling of the old and installation of new equipment and weapons, as well as the repair of various structures and assemblies, will begin. Last summer, shortly after signing the contract for repair work, information appeared about the possible composition of weapons that the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser would receive during the modernization. According to an unnamed source at Interfax in the naval navy, the cruiser should receive the new Poliment-Redoubt air defense systems, as well as the Caliber multipurpose missile system. With the help of such weapons, a missile cruiser can perform a wide range of tasks and hit various targets: enemy submarines and ships, as well as aircraft and coastal targets. In September last year, the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy V. Chirkov said that after modernization the Admiral Nakhimov would carry up to 80 missiles for various purposes.
According to the agency ITAR-TASS, received from unnamed sources in the United Shipbuilding Corporation, only part of the ship’s weapons and electronic equipment will be replaced. The main power plant will be repaired, but will remain the same. It is intended to increase the technological and radiation safety of a nuclear reactor and associated elements of a power plant.

According to the current plans, the repair of the cruiser “Admiral Nakhimov” will last until 2018, after which he will continue to serve in the Russian navy. In the future, the developments on the modernization of the cruiser “Admiral Nakhimov” can be used to restore or repair other ships of the 1144 “Orlan” project. Currently, there is only one such cruiser in the fleet, the Peter the Great. Two more ships, with the exception of the Admiral Nakhimov sent for repair, are in reserve. Their further fate remains unknown. They may also be restored and will continue to serve, but there is reason to doubt it.

Repair and modernization of the missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" is one of the most complex projects of recent times. The available information on plans for upgrading equipment and weapons allows us to imagine how complex the modernization of the ship will be. In addition, the age of the cruiser and almost 15 years spent at the quay wall, could not but affect its condition. The result of a long and complex repair, the cost of which, according to various sources, will reach 50 billion rubles, will be the upgrade of the ship. As a result, the cruiser will be able to improve its combat capabilities.

During the repair and modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will be used the experience gained in the course of work on updating the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya. In this case, however, the repair of the Russian cruiser will be more difficult, since the aircraft carrier sold to India had a more modest weapon system and was not equipped with a nuclear power plant. The complexity of the project, in particular, may lead to a shift in the completion of repairs. However, the installation of new systems and equipment will begin no earlier than the last months of this year. In the meantime, the main task of the shipbuilding plant “Sevmash” is to prepare the cruiser for further work and transfer to the bulk basin. Only after that will the main repairs and modernization of the ship begin.


On the materials of the sites:
http://sevmash.ru/
http://interfax.ru/
http://itar-rass.com/
http://rg.ru/
http://vz.ru/

Comments

[jjj]

Well, they waited for the holiday on our street

[Canep]

Since August 14, 1999 at the joke awaiting repair. They waited.

[Arberes]

Quote: jjj

Well, they waited for the holiday on our street

As the saying goes, "Better late than never." This joyful news on "Nakhimov" is published every two months. It all depends on funding for the modernization and repair of this handsome man, and this was periodically forgotten.

Quote: Canep

Since August 14, 1999 at the joke awaiting repair. They waited.

From such long expectations, the restoration of many ships becomes almost impossible! Of course, I understand that many will now answer me that there was no money, was there not time before? I will not enter into a discussion with anyone, for me personally this is not easier!
Hello everyone, FRIENDS!
Dear KIRILL RYABOV, many thanks to you for your work on the marine theme, I always read with great pleasure!

[AVV]

Quote: Canep

Since August 14, 1999 at the joke awaiting repair. They waited.

Well, finally !!! It will turn out a modern ship with great capabilities, the most important thing is that allies would not fail, and everything would be done on time, and even ahead of schedule !!!

[vyatom]

Quote: AVV

Well, finally !!! It will turn out a modern ship with great capabilities, the most important thing is that allies would not fail, and everything would be done on time, and even ahead of schedule !!!

50 billion rubles. How many missile ships can be built before 2018 for this money from scratch, which will perform a wider range of tasks?
In 2018, it will go out of repair. Spend a year or two at the wall and again in repair. Are there any more problems in the country? Indeed, the inefficiency of ships of this rank was also proved in World War I, when the entire battleship Baltic Fleet stood the whole war. So it was in World War II - when the battleships Kringsmarine were hiding from the blows of the Allied aircraft and our entire fleet was locked in its bases with only one aircraft (Baltic and Black Seas).

[Ivan_Ivanov]

50 billion rubles. How many missile ships can be built before 2018 for this money from scratch, which will perform a wider range of tasks?

How many?
Specifically, how many missile ships can be built before 2018?
And how many will NOT be built in connection with the modernization of "NAKHIMOV"? How many?
They could have built 20, but because of "Nakhimov" not one will be built. Or: Could 12, but because of "Nakhimov" will spend 8? How many?
Or just to blurt out?
Will the missile ships be able to stay off the coast of Syria or Iran for a long time, holding back the aircraft carrier groups of our potential "partners"?
But while all sorts of Wahabbit extremists are tied up in Syria, while the Syrian army is grinding them, they do not climb to us?

Can someone the General Staff, the Ministry of Defense, the presidential administration considers himself stupider?

Or maybe someone has a task: To criticize Russia and cause a person to doubt the ability of the country's leadership to skillfully manage the state? The repair of the Nakhimov has begun - it would be better if they built many, many missile ships. And if they began to build rocket ships, these same people began to inspire: Why? it would be better to have repaired "Nakhimov". And here, too, they would find a bunch of arguments proving that the country's leadership is stupid.

[vyatom]

Quote: Ivan_Ivanov

The repair of the Nakhimov has begun - it would be better if they built many, many missile ships. And if they began to build rocket ships, these same people began to inspire: Why? it would be better to have repaired "Nakhimov". And here, too, they would find a bunch of arguments proving that the country's leadership is stupid.

Ivan Ivanov, don't write about what you don't understand. Any shipbuilder knows that building a new ship is much easier and cheaper than restoring one that has stood against the wall. And there is no need to drag Syria here. And the aircraft carrier groups, in which case it is not the Eagles that will hold back.
What is the long time of keeping ships off the coast of Syria? And how is it determined? And why do tankers usually follow with a group of ships?

[Dart2027]

Quote: vyatom

Any shipbuilder knows that building a new ship is much easier and cheaper than rebuilding a wall

Truth? And tell me, how much does it cost to build a new ship of the same class and weapons?

[Alexxeg73]

"... Any shipbuilder knows that it is much easier and cheaper to build a new ship than to restore one that stood at the wall ..."

I was a shipbuilder, and I will say that you are wrong. Building such a new ship is a huge job of thousands of enterprises. In the USSR, with its powerful economy and industry, only 4 were able to build. Russia is just picking up the pace. And for your information, the first ship of the series is usually more expensive than the subsequent ones, and the time of its construction is also very long, it can take years. Already a serial ship is being built much faster, because the equipment is already there, the equipment is correct and configured, the workers know what to do, the technology is rolled out, the subcontractors are the same. In this case, the ships of the Orlan series could be produced one by one in 4-5-6 years. And this is not much, this is the norm! Let's say aircraft carriers of the US Nimitz series. The first two ships of the series were built for 7 years, the subsequent ones - 4-5-6 years. But "Orlan" is much more complicated. In this case, 4 years for repairs is a normal period, because in fact it is necessary to rebuild it, only there is already a building and a remote control. And this in the amount of construction time "from scratch" - about 25%. Most of the time is spent on completion and equipment. Repair of "Nakhimov" can be imagined as launching a new one into the water. Something like that....

[mike_z]

Any shipbuilder knows that it’s much easier and cheaper to build a new ship than to restore standing at the wall.

Well, that's not entirely true ... or rather not at all, if the classes of ships are approximately the same. I remember the American battleships of the Missouri class, which were put into operation in the 80s after several decades of parking in canned food, the Americans then boasted to the whole world that they received battleships at the price of destroyers. I don't know how it is now, but the order of prices is probably the same.

[Alekseev]

Quote: vyatom

Are there any more problems in the country? Indeed, the inefficiency of ships of this rank was also proved in World War I, when the entire battleship Baltic Fleet stood the whole war.

And then the battleships of the first world firing at 10-15-20 km and the nuclear ship of the ocean zone are a platform for high-precision missile weapons with a range of hundreds and thousands (strategic KR) km?
With a change in the composition of weapons, an increase in the number of anti-submarine helicopters, this ship can be safely called the cruiser PLO or air defense.
Do not align the horseradish and finger. As for the problems in the country, then saving on the army and navy is to fuck yourself.
It is necessary to develop the economy so as not to get into the fray of spending on national defense.
It’s only the little jug that peeed here: they say that the military doesn’t produce anything, why such expenditures on weapons, and even pay salaries and pensions to them.
And not to his house, that in modern conditions, peace, stability and independence, the same must be donewhat the Armed Forces are doing.

[vyatom]

Quote: Alekseev

With a change in the composition of weapons, an increase in the number of anti-submarine helicopters, this ship can be safely called the cruiser PLO or air defense.

Will he be able to repel the wing attack with the AUG?

[Alekseev]

Quote: vyatom

Will he be able to repel the wing attack with the AUG?

As part of a compound, it is entirely possible. It all depends on the military personnel and who will start faster.
(at one time, the AUGs were effectively fought with the help of artillery cruisers pr. 68 bis)
What are you with this AUG as a written sack?
As if apart from the AUGs and the enemy there?
And, in general, for your information, AUGi Enti does not to confront the nuclear powers, and to establish their order in the world (Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, etc.)
There were and are AUGs in the USA, and they didn’t stop our Navy from supplying the Arabs at the time, nor could they close Vietnam from the sea: it was not their business of strategists.
No air wing can intercept a nuclear warhead (and not one). And not nuclear weapons are interesting now. That will let on an aircraft carrier with an escort of fifty hypersonic missiles mixed with thousands of false targets and any "Aegis" will "hang"!
. And the explosion of 50 kg of explosives in a floating warehouse of fuel and ammunition disables it for a very long time.

[11 black]

Quote: vyatom

With a change in the composition of weapons, an increase in the number of anti-submarine helicopters, this ship can be safely called the cruiser PLO or air defense.

Will he be able to repel the wing attack with the AUG?

Well, if he himself will be part of the AUG, or if there are several airplanes or AWACS in the air (in general, if the radio horizon is far enough away from the ship), then why not, the armament allows.

[vadson]

develop your eyes, the Navy ships of the ocean zone are sorely lacking, what else remained working inside out. where did you get that it will rust against the wall? there is an opinion that the cost of the ship for a third consists of the price of the hull, a third of the equipment and a third of the weapon, so that it will be updated in full

[blizart]

Of course there is positive, but as famous shipbuilders said, it is better to build a new ship than to remake the old one. It seems to have been said about one of Admiral Fischer's "cats" - "Koreyges". Of course, it's just a pity when such backlogs are lost in vain, but Russia's position in the world and the world itself has changed a lot. In general, this is not a breakthrough-anticipation of the destroyer "Novik", but rather a belated reaction of the cruiser "Izmail"

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: vyatom

50 billion rubles. How many missile ships can be built before 2018 for this money from scratch, which will perform a wider range of tasks?

Approximately 2-2,5 frigate project 22350. But Severodvinsk-type submarines cannot be built even by one.

Quote: vyatom

Indeed, the inefficiency of ships of this rank was also proved in World War I, when the entire battleship Baltic Fleet stood the whole war.

Remember the Black Sea better :)

[Geisenberg]

Quote: vyatom

50 billion rubles. How many missile ships can be built before 2018 for these

Count on dollars. It turns out that even the s.ra. little Orly Burke cannot buy these billions of rubles, and here such power will be that Zumvolt nervously smokes in the bushes.

Do you still remember how under the command of Ushakov the ships stormed the bastions ...

[i.xxx-1971]

Eagles will not operate in the Baltic and Black Seas. That's bullshit. And during the Great Patriotic War, the Northern Fleet acted actively and efficiently.

[i.xxx-1971]

Eagles will not operate in the Baltic and Black Seas. That's bullshit. And during the Great Patriotic War, the Northern Fleet acted actively and efficiently.

[mike_z]

You would still remember the dreadnoughts of Marcus Aurelius! Although ... In a sea battle with the ships of Queen Cleopatra near Egypt, they showed themselves worthy and won. Everything is relative. The cruiser pr.1144 "can do everything!" these are the words of its chief designer, spoken in 81 on board the Kirov TARKr. Then he really added (literally quote): "... but it cost me 28 thousand tons of displacement ..." It was planned - 22 000 tons

[evgenii67]

Quote: jjj

Well, they waited for the holiday on our street

"According to the current plans, the repair of the cruiser Admiral Nakhimov will last until 2018" 4 long years, during this time it is possible to build a new one and nevertheless the Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great are powerful ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

in four years? it’s unlikely that they’ll master the new one now, times are not the same as famine. in dozens of ships and submarines in VO, but now we can’t ... the Germans riveted about a thousand boats for the war !!! including the ocean zone ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

here in VO dozens of ships and submarines were made, but now we can’t ..

Of course, upgrading a TARK and building 10 pikes is one and the same thing.

[skiff-xnumx]

A ship of such a displacement and such a structure cannot be made in four years without backlog of material and mechanisms (read without serial construction). An example of the Kirov laid 73 passed under the Christmas tree in 1980, even if you throw the year on the course acceptance for six years.

[Ivan_Ivanov]

in such a time you can build a new

Cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"
Laid down on May 17, 1983.
April 25, 1986 launched
December 30, 1988 went into operation

During the heyday and the greatest power of the carabule industry, the cruiser was built 5,5 years.

[kris]

Quote: jjj

Well, they waited for the holiday on our street

some phrases are not clear:
quote:
In September last year, Navy Commander-in-Chief V. Chirkov said that after modernization, the Admiral Nakhimov would carry missiles for various purposes up to 80.
not enough? or again a teal from a hangover blurted out?
22350 project frigates carry up to 16 anti-ship missiles ZM55 Onyx or 3М54 (Caliber-NKE family) + up to 16 anti-submarine missiles 91RE1 (Caliber-NKE family),
SAM "Poliment-Redut" (32 SAM 9M96Е or up to 128 SAM 9М100 in any combination)
The complexity of the project, in particular, may lead to a delay in the completion of repairs. timing without saying, but already talking about the transfer.

[Papakiko]

Quote: kris

not enough? or again a teal from a hangover blurted out?

From him.
Will drag immediately 800 pcs. different sizes and purposes.
And the updated look and new features will drive the rest of the world into the deprisnyak.

[Army1]

Quote: kris

Quote: jjj

Well, they waited for the holiday on our street

some phrases are not clear:
quote:
In September last year, Navy Commander-in-Chief V. Chirkov said that after modernization, the Admiral Nakhimov would carry missiles for various purposes up to 80.
not enough? or again a teal from a hangover blurted out?
22350 project frigates carry up to 16 anti-ship missiles ZM55 Onyx or 3М54 (Caliber-NKE family) + up to 16 anti-submarine missiles 91RE1 (Caliber-NKE family),
SAM "Poliment-Redut" (32 SAM 9M96Е or up to 128 SAM 9М100 in any combination)
The complexity of the project, in particular, may lead to a delay in the completion of repairs. timing without saying, but already talking about the transfer.

You are a little mistaken in just 16 cells. Caliber 2 modules of 8, not 32.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: kris

In September last year, Navy Commander-in-Chief V. Chirkov said that after modernization, the Admiral Nakhimov would carry missiles for various purposes up to 80.
not enough?

".... Armament after modernization:
The main acquisition will be UKKS - the latest universal naval firing systems. In the same launch containers it will be possible to install Onyx or Caliber rockets, which will become the main weapon. In addition, the air defense will be strengthened: C-400 and new melee air defense systems.
In total, including anti-aircraft missiles, the cruiser will carry over 300 missiles of various types. ... " http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/11442_01.html

[11 black]

Quote: kris

Will carry up to 80 missiles for various purposes.
not enough? or again a teal from a hangover blurted out?

He most likely meant only missiles of the "Caliber" family, because instead of 1 "Granit" ("Orlan" has 20) there are 4 "Caliber" - hence the figure 80

And what about the air defense system, do not hesitate - there will be at least 2 hundred missiles of the marine version of the S400 / 500 (according to the plan, in general, they promise at least 300 missiles on board - hence the number of 220 air defense missiles), and even the "Palitsa" will arrive in time and will be Nakhimov is a formidable force, I respect these ships very much.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: kris

In September last year, Navy Commander-in-Chief V. Chirkov said that after modernization, the Admiral Nakhimov would carry missiles for various purposes up to 80.

Most likely it meant the number of launchers for the "Caliber", i.e. ZUR was not taken into account

Quote: kris

22350 project frigates carry up to 16 anti-ship missiles ZM55 Onyx or 3М54 (Caliber-NKE family) + up to 16 anti-submarine missiles 91RE1 (Caliber-NKE family),

Not a plus, but or :) The frigate has only 16 launchers. And what you cram in there is your business ... Variable

[Andrey Yuryevich]

at least something good, and then "chernukha" completely. all the BEST "nakhimov", in the literal sense!

[Mihail29]

This is really a holiday when they decided to repair the old cruiser. The term is 4 years, the USSR built almost 2 new ones during this period, and now I think it will be not 4, but 5-7 years. USC officials and executives will switch arrows on each other, reporting to their superiors. In principle, the deadlines may be longer than the head frigate we are building for 8 years or take an example with the same Indians. I believe that the holiday will be when a decision is made on the construction of the Navy of new cruisers in the amount of 6-8 pieces. destroyers 14-20pcs. and 2-4 aircraft carriers so that the northern and Pacific fleets are called oceanic not nominally, but actually

[vyatom]

Quote: Michael29

I believe that the holiday will be when a decision is made on the construction of the Navy of new cruisers in the amount of 6-8 pieces. destroyers 14-20pcs. and 2-4 aircraft carriers so that the northern and Pacific fleets are called oceanic not nominally, but actually

At whose expense is the banquet? Who will contain all this armada. Are you ready to sit on bread with water to contain such an ocean fleet and be proud of it?

[Mihail29]

Do you think that if these ships do not exist, the state will feed you caviar, this is firstly. Secondly, the number of new, modern ships is the advancement of our science, the jobs of the Russian people, which means high salaries, will increase purchasing power, which will increase domestic demand and these are the same taxes to the state. These workers, engineers and their allies will be able to eat well themselves and feed their families. But I don’t really depend on the country's budget, but I’m proud of Russia knowing that it can protect its people and its interests anywhere in the world, this is a cool thing.

[vyatom]

Quote: Michael29

You think if these ships do not exist, the state will feed you black caviar, firstly. Secondly, the number of new, modern ships is the advancement of our science, the jobs of the Russian people, and therefore high salaries, will increase purchasing power, which will increase domestic demand and these are the same taxes to the state.

You yourself, then realized what he said? Money is spent on it from the budget, not private contributions. And only at high oil prices are such high spending on the defense industry possible.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: vyatom

You yourself, then realized what he said?

He understood. You are not.

[Hitrovan07]

Money goes to the budget not only from oil.

[Hitrovan07]

I am ready for bread and water, if only to maintain the Russian fleet, and not England, France, Turkey, China ... - then you yourself can continue the list of countries - lovers of "free territories".

[skiff-xnumx]

Explain to me backward how in modern realities the cruiser is different from the destroyer. (Just do not give a definition of the beginning of xx century)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: skiff-1980

Explain to me backward how in modern realities the cruiser is different from the destroyer

Exceptionally addictions by admirals to names :)

[sens99.ru]

When we tear down we open cognac, which has been waiting for itself for 14 years. I have been waiting for this news for the last 3 years

[Vladimirets]

Quote: sens99.ru

When we tear down we open cognac, which has been waiting for itself for 14 years. I have been waiting for this news for the last 3 years

Here is an excerpt! And brandy and you.

[tomcat117]

An excellent club will work.
Good luck to builders, repairmen, gunsmiths and to everyone who strengthens the defense!

[Siberian German]

even in this state, handsome

[Tot-enot]

What a holiday there! No matter how good this ship was at one time but age!
You can restore it, BUT (the cost, according to various sources, will reach 50 billion rubles) for such money you can build a whole series of frigates, 2-3 destroyers.
You can minus as much as you want but the restoration with such costs of the old ship is STUPID!
We need new, modern destroyers and not partially re-equipped old projects.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Now, really, Hurray!

[Volkhov]

The photos are ancient - already in the fall, Nakhimov was painted, and Levchenko in the background seems to be in Middle-earth.
With Peter and Ushakov it’s clear, but how is Lazarev?

[PLO]

only Peter the Great and Nakhimov will be modernized

[Russ69]

Quote: olp

only Peter the Great and Nakhimov will be modernized

On the rest, the final decision will be made only after the modernization of "Nakhimov", but for now everything is at the level of rumors. Let's just wait and don't argue what will happen.

[clidon]

The rest is in metal. It has long been necessary to build new ones, and not reanimate old projects with aluminum superstructures.

[lelikas]

Quote: clidon

The rest is in metal. It has long been necessary to build new ones, and not reanimate old projects with aluminum superstructures.

I do not want to upset you - but modern carbon fiber add-ons .........
At the same time, the aluminum armor of the BMP does not bother anyone.

[Greenwood]

Better all at once.

[Zabvo]

Better, yes, but the fact that modernization and repairs will not take place in its "cradle" is strange. Although he may be afraid for the body, still from 99g. "waiting for a miracle" ...

[Zabvo]

Better, yes, but the fact that modernization and repairs will not take place in its "cradle" is strange. Although he may be afraid for the body, still from 99g. "waiting for a miracle" ...

[10kAzAk01]

Well, or at least a stern in the form of Crimea feel

judging by the latest news, things are moving towards this by leaps and bounds ...

[slavik_gross]

Good luck in the current important process like the modernization of the Eagles !!!

[Cormorants]

Supporting Crimea to the Homeland!

[Setrac]

Quote: Cormorants

Supporting Crimea to the Homeland!

I don’t support it! Crimea to their homeland, but only with the rest of Ukraine.

[Volodya Sibiryak]

The news is good, the main thing is not to be overshadowed by the timing of modernization.

[Blad_21617]

Well, finally we waited !!! otherwise all the latest news comes mainly from Western "colleagues".

[Kubatai]

Enough for him to stand at the pier .. repairs and the sea are waiting ...

[Al_lexx]

Thanks for the news. At least something positive this morning, otherwise Ukrainian Natsiks and their western roofers spoil the whole mood.

Let's hope that the timing and cost of modernization does not go beyond the reasonable and designated.

[mike_z]

Finally! I didn’t expect this to happen. The last (exactly the last before the repair) exit of the "Nakhimov" to the sea took place in August 1997. We went out not far, with Patriarch Alexy II, so "it was necessary!" (???), but they returned with an almost ruined power plant (the salinity in the circuit went over all limits 3000 times ...). We, the mechanics, knew that this would be the case and reported, but ... NOW! God grant that the cruiser returned to Severomorsk at least in 18 year.

[alex-kon]

Hooray!!! They waited.

[kapitan281271]

Men previously asked a question, but with an answer something did not work out. If there is a specialist, explain "Granites" all on the scrap of history? As far as the information "KALIBR" was in the anti-ship missile mode, the range of 300 km is not too small for a surface ship, and even of such dimensions, as far as I can judge by my unprofessional judgment, it will probably be too heavy for the launch distance, all the same, not a corvette, not a frigate; And so the news is just a class of 6 years did not drink, but today I’ll nakochu, I’ll finally get something really started to move.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: kapitan281271

How much was the information "KALIBR" in anti-ship missile mode, range 300 km

everything is very incomprehensible there with this range. 300 km is for the export version (because there are contractual restrictions), but how far the domestic "Caliber" flies is not known for certain. There was data that it was 375 km away, but ... I would just not trust this data :)

[little man]

Well, in any case, not 700.
But the modernization of the Granites on the Volcanoes makes sense? Well, of course, Caliber is needed.
But in what scenario will the balance be optimal?
After all, for example, to modernize Moscow purely for Caliber, well, probably blasphemy ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: man

Well, in any case, not 700.

Theoretically, maybe 1000. I have heard the competent opinion that the "internal" Caliber is very similar to our strategic cruise missiles ... And the X-101 flies 5,5 thousand km.

Quote: man

But the modernization of the Granites on the Volcanoes makes sense?

Not the slightest thing at all. "Volcano" in modern naval combat is not very good, like "Granite", by the way. Granite was perfect in its time, but still its time is running out.
"Caliber" is a much more formidable CD.

[Dart2027]

It depends on what kind of rocket it can charge - maybe three hundred, or maybe a thousand.

[Wiruz]

Something too late, no? It seems they said that until 2020 all four Oralans in the ranks will stand.

[patsantre]

There will never be more; there will be only 2.

[Cormorants]

Very good news! True, only one Orlan went into repair, but a couple are waiting.

[PN]

In addition, now Sevmash employees are building special pontoons with which the cruiser will be transferred across the threshold of the batoport. Can you imagine what kind of sediment he has? Nuclear submarines of all types and aircraft carrier Vikramaditya pass into the bulk pool without any pontoons!

[Saburo]

The main thing is that they would not be tightened to 202X ...

[Igor80]

The ice has broken, gentlemen of the jury! HOORAY!!!

[Concept1]

If they mean 80 cruise missiles for various purposes, then this is good !!!

[trenitron]

I'll go for this news bang men glass

[sinukvl]

HOORAY !!! Waited !!!!!! Here is the news so the news!

[region46]

the news is great, but the timing is worrying. if by the year 18 they finish, there Peter the Great will need to be put up for repairs. and they’ll probably figure out that a replacement will be needed for the flagship

[PN]

I think not a bad partner for the Vladivostok helicopter carrier.

[awg75]

a very serious technique will work. We wish you to get up and running quickly!

[Tarpon]

In the future, developments on the modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser can be used to restore or repair other ships of Project 1144 Orlan.

I really hope for it.

[Roman 1977]

And what about the ships of 1-2 rank and submarines
Well, we will not talk about the TAVKR, God forbid, "Kuznetsov" will be poisoned for repairs, which by the way has matured and will generally be left without an aircraft carrier.
"Peter the Great" keeps an ocean watch, "Nakhimov" is being re-equipped at "Zvezdochka", they threaten to commission it by 2018, and they may take on "Lazarev" there. "Kirov" most likely everything ...

Project 1164 RRC also keep watch: the modernized "Moscow" does not climb out of the sea, performing tasks, now in inter-trip repairs, going to the Sochi area, providing cover for the Olympics, this year "Varyag" from the Pacific Fleet joined it, "Ustinov" on modernization ... Maybe they will buy the ex. "Lobov" - "Ukraine", although it will take at least 2 years from the date of purchase to its entry into the fleet, because its condition is not so hot, and the weapons systems are already outdated.

Destroyers. Full paragraph !!! It is scary to let the 956s with their killed DEUs go far from the coast, the BODs of Project 1155 are primarily anti-submarine ships that do not have anti-ship missiles and are not intended to strike at ground targets. Our only ship that can be classified as destroyer "Chabanenko" is now under repair. The laying of the first destroyer under the new project 21956 is expected already in 2016, and taking into account the current pace of construction, it will take 8-10 years before its delivery to the fleet.
The frigates of projects 22350 and 11356, belong to the ships of the 2nd rank and will occupy the niche that the SKR of projects 1135 and 61 occupied in the Soviet fleet. True, there are 2 new ships of the project 11540, but there are no anti-ship missiles on the Neustrashim, and Yaroslav Wise "is armed with only 8" mosquitoes ", ie. in terms of its combat capabilities, it roughly corresponds to the project 20380 corvette.

BDK. Full paragraph again !!! Nothing similar to the "workhorses" of the Soviet fleet BDK projects 775 and 1171 is expected in the near future, and those that remain are successfully achieved by the "Syrian Express". The Mistrals are not replacing them in any way, and the Ivan Gren is being built at such a pace that it will only enter service in 2015, and most likely as an armed transport. BDK project 1174 successfully scrapped.
Diesel-electric submarine-project 677 "Lada" turned out to be so unsuccessful that after the entry into service of "St. Petersburg" the fleet generally wanted to abandon the project, and the diesel-electric submarine itself, only 3 years after its adoption, was sent to the Northern Fleet for testing. True, they decided to finish building 2 more boats of this project and for the Black Sea Fleet to build 6 diesel-electric submarines of project 636.6, which are a modernized version of the export 877EKM. Well, by the way, it is too early to drop the 877s themselves from the shields.

meeting "St. Petersburg" at the Northern Fleet

[Russ69]

Quote: Novel 1977

Maybe they will buy ex. "Lobov" - "Ukraine",

So far, there is the possibility of being quiet and dorm ...

[vadson]

thought I visited, under the guise of Crimea, together with "Ukraine" will return to us and there will be no need to buy it

[Wurger]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

in four years? it’s unlikely that they’ll master the new one now, times are not the same as famine. in dozens of ships and submarines in VO, but now we can’t ... the Germans riveted about a thousand boats for the war !!! including the ocean zone ...

Do you think that bringing this 80s echo to modern standards is simple? Do you know the expression that sometimes it’s easier to build a new plant than to upgrade an old one? Submarines of the 40s can be produced at least 10 thousand, and how many Boreev? Wrong technologies. What is easier to produce spears or Kalashnikovs? Release time and quantity vary greatly from product complexity.

[Cormorants]

I agree, right in the top ten!

[indiggo]

the ship is good, of course it's a pity for its brothers, but the situation is that we can only allow one ship of this size to be put up for modernization, there is simply nowhere to fix it, if I am mistaken.

[vadson]

Nikolaev? as an option

[wk-083]

Sevmash alone is clearly not enough for our fleet, you need to have something like that in the Far East. Otherwise, ten years to repair one ship!

[10kAzAk01]

Sevmash alone is clearly not enough for our fleet, you need to have something like that in the Far East. Otherwise, ten years to repair one ship!

So these shipyards are already being completed!

[indiggo]

the star starts to cost in 2015, and here is the Far East.

[Letterksi]

The first good news today. Probably in the air it’s completely fried that we finally decided to repair

[yurik]

all these atomic cruisers are not the "horses" of the fleet, why upgrade these dinosaurs, which are only suitable for parades? it would be much more efficient to spend money on the creation of new nuclear submarines that are combat-ready against American AUG than these old Soviet trash cans with cardboard hulls with nuclear systems installed in them, in fact, in the event of an attack by NATO aviation, they are ready to easily turn into floating "Chernobyls"

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: yurik

it would be much more effective to spend the money on the creation of new nuclear submarines, which are combat-ready against American AUGs

Do you even understand that one Severodvinsk submarine costs a little more than those 50 billion that Nakhimov’s modernization costs?

[Zubr]

Well, finally took up the pride of our fleet. The cruiser is handsome, if only at the docks and the two remaining. It's a shame if they cut it.

[moremansf]

Quote: yurik

in the event of an attack by NATO aircraft ready to easily turn into floating "Chernobyls"

Two S-300 air defense systems reduce to a minimum all attempts by NATO aviation ... and ships of this class are needed, including to support those same nuclear submarines ... and with AUG anti-ship missiles placed on board, they can effectively fight ... in each the ship has its pluses and minuses, and one should not call them "lakhanisches", for some they were a second home ... let's respect each other !!!

[patsantre]

These S-300s will not be able to do anything with fighters flying below the radio horizon and AWACS aircraft hanging 400 kilometers away. They will simply gut it.

[patsantre]

Funny) to commute - they have blundered, but there is nothing to answer.

[Dart2027]

Firstly, fighters are not intended to attack enemy ships - they serve to combat enemy aircraft.
Secondly, there is a layered missile defense system, so it will be difficult to get into it.
Thirdly, who said that there are no systems designed to intercept an enemy trying to slip below and there are no missiles capable of hitting these AWACS over 400 kilometers?

[patsantre]

Quote: Dart2027

Firstly, fighters are not intended to attack enemy ships - they serve to combat enemy aircraft.

Hornet calmly takes 4 harpoons like that, I think he can take 6. Have you figured out that they are not intended to fight ships?

Quote: Dart2027

Secondly, there is a layered missile defense system, so it will be difficult to get into it.

20 Hornets will release 80 harpoons at once almost at once. He and a small part of them will not live.

Quote: Dart2027

Thirdly, who said that there are no systems designed to intercept an enemy trying to slip below and there are no missiles capable of hitting these AWACS over 400 kilometers?

Because they don’t exist! Who said that they are? Google the characteristics of S-300 and redoubt rockets for decency! And how will Orlan detect targets behind the radio horizon? We do not even use AWACS helicopters, although they exist, and they will bring them down very quickly.

[johan]

If the repair of "Nakhimov" will result in a long-term construction in time and money ala "Vikramaditya", then "Ushakov" and "Lazarev" will be stupidly put on nails. The age of the ships, by that time, will be considerable. 4 years according to plan + at least 2 more, for sure. Besides those two, "Kuznetsov" is next in line. Sevmash will not master everyone. We need additional power on the Far East to conduct work on two ships in parallel. A repair base at the Pacific Fleet for such cruisers is a must. Otherwise “Nakhimov” will suffer the fate of “Lazarev”.

[wk-083]

Quote: Johan

If the repair of "Nakhimov" will result in a long-term construction in time and money ala "Vikramaditya", then "Ushakov" and "Lazarev" will be stupidly put on nails. The age of the ships, by that time, will be considerable.

This is exactly what saddens that in place of four there will be two.

[indiggo]

there will be a redoubt.

[patsantre]

For me, such a redoubt is not enough for a ship of this class. Well, they will stuff redoubts and calibers into it, there will be a huge expensive colossus with a bunch of weapons that can even be put on the corvette and MRK. Do you need a fucker then?

[sens99.ru]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: sens99.ru

When we tear down we open cognac, which has been waiting for itself for 14 years. I have been waiting for this news for the last 3 years

Here is an excerpt! And brandy and you.

Thank you)) Well, what do you want ?! This is a very large, strong and important cruiser for us.

[indiggo]

Quote: patsantre

For me, such a redoubt is not enough for a ship of this class. Well, they will stuff redoubts and calibers into it, there will be a huge expensive colossus with a bunch of weapons that can even be put on the corvette and MRK. Do you need a fucker then?

Will you fight in corvettes in the far reaches of the ocean?
why did you decide that redoubts are not enough? redoubts are just a system into which you can cram a lot of things, a lot of weapons are not for Nakhimov alone, this is a ship that will conduct a circular defense of the warrant ...

[patsantre]

But is this cruiser enough for a serious war?
With this money, it would be possible to build frigates 22350 and there would be much more benefit.
The maximum range of a redoubt missile launcher is 150 km. The Fort (S-300) has even more. And why is it needed such a huge ship when its corvettes and frigates successfully carry its weapons? In the USSR, such ships were made precisely as carriers of such powerful missiles, like granite, and actually bulky S-300s. That’s why ships of this class were built. Now these weapons are a thing of the past. Frigates and destroyers can carry the same weapons that they supposedly plan to equip the cruiser and fight in actual distant parts of the ocean.
I’m not that we don’t need it. But if we were to modernize this bandura, then put the appropriate weapons. Something on the basis of the S-500, Almaz-Antey, in my mind, immediately had to attend to the development of ship elements of this air defense system .
Oh, yes, the fact that he will be equipped with a redoubt is a grandmother for two. These are just speculations. There is no modernization project. And to listen to these clowns, who say that there will be 80 missiles on the ship, do not respect yourself. So it can there really will be something like S-500. Although not likely, it doesn’t exist yet.
And so, I would like to see cruisers and destroyers with hypersonic missiles, S-500s, guns like AGS, radars with AFAR. Well, and destroyers to be invisible. This is what I already dream of.

[skiff-xnumx]

Redoubt is a complex of vertical launchers, antenna array and equipment, etc. (Also caliber) therefore, to argue that the range of 150 is reckless of you. The range is determined by the rocket and a number of factors, and what will happen to the rockets at a particular moment is known only to God and the ship's commander. The problem is not that the cornets and frigates also carry weapons, but in their quantity. I think that mass launch of PCR will bring more benefits than a single one. And about 80 missiles I agree complete nonsense. Either the media themselves came up with something, or I don’t know something about our Navy command. A simple example, with an equal number of CPCs with a short range pot, you get 128 missiles. And where is 80 here.

[patsantre]

Quote: skiff-1980

Redoubt is a complex of vertical launchers, antenna array and equipment, etc. (Also caliber) therefore, to argue that the range of 150 is reckless of you. The range is determined by the rocket and a number of factors, and what will happen to the rockets at a particular moment is known only to God and the ship's commander.

In part, I agree that the range itself depends on the missile, but the characteristics of these missiles have been in the public domain for a long time! I’ll judge from them. And let's say cram into a redoubt, the long 40H6E will not allow the dimension of the containers and the control system.

Quote: skiff-1980

The problem is not that the cornets and frigates also carry weapons, but in their quantity.

And if you count how many missiles all frigates built with this money will carry and compare with Orlan? Given that 4 frigates are much more flexible, versatile and tenacious.

[skiff-xnumx]

Slightly carried announced. With this money, you can build TWO frigates of the project 20350 and a little remains on the banquet. Therefore, the issue is debatable. The autonomy and capabilities of the ships are different and not the fact that 2 is better than one.
I don’t argue the characteristics, but there is one thing, but they are only approximate, the developer has not officially voiced them. All features of media speculation are compared with other systems. Comrade K. I didn’t climb with the ruler, but on the manufacturer’s website (verbatim) the system can use all types of missiles that are in service or are designed for sea or land-based missiles. Well there’s a lot more so.
Ps Cons are not mine.

[advice]

Just like in the cartoon from the past
-And can you make seven hats from this?
-Of course!
Seven really happened there, though they don’t climb on my head
Do not discount the political effect in the world and moral for all concerned people.

[patsantre]

In general, TPK has long been measured on paralia, it’s too lazy to climb now.
22350 in my opinion is in the region of 600 lyam greens, i.e. for 50 lard you can bungle 3 pieces. However, there are no official data on the prices for the frigate. However, it should be borne in mind that the modernization of Orlan is single, and frigates are built in series - the production of a serial product is always more profitable.

[mike_z]

Quote: patsantre

But is this cruiser enough for a serious war?

Yes, this cruiser is enough for a fairly serious operational tactical operation. Not for strategic, on which he is not sharpened. But he can bring a lot of rustle even with his old weapons. And he can be a raider! And as part of the KUG, and even more so. You are fading in your reasoning, although they are correct. But TARKr is a complex in itself, which can do a lot.

[voliador]

Maybe, for that kind of money, is it easier to build a new ship?

[skiff-xnumx]

If it’s a new one, then a new project, and a new project for this amount is enough for the frigate and time plays an important role.

[patsantre]

The destroyer can be built, and very sickly such a destroyer.

[gorgandzuga]

The ship stood at the pier for 15 years, during which time it turned into a huge gutter. My friends who work there say that the holds are flooded with water. In general, the work ahead is very difficult.
At the moment, they pump out water, break down and take out any rotten trash.

[Rurikovich]

In this case, from my point of view, everything is being done correctly. Easier to write off for scrap. And then whine that, they say, enemies are all around - the fleet is being destroyed. This has already passed. The Eagles were designed as assassins of surface-class aircraft carriers. With unlimited cruising range, what's stopping them from being upgraded? Nothing. It is only necessary to have the desire and opportunities. Yes, they stood at the wall for some time. ovsky "Nimitz" generally have a resource of 50 years. And these are more than one decade.
Only I don’t understand that ignorant people are shouting about the full armament of 80 missiles. Project 1144 is armed with 20 Granite launchers. In view of the modernization, one P-700 cell is being replaced by the smaller "Caliber" in terms of weight and dimensions in the amount of 4 units. The result is 80 missiles of the "Caliber" class. And anti-aircraft weapons remain at the same level. Maybe with a replacement for more advanced types of missiles. At the moment, the cruiser's air defense system in terms of performance characteristics includes more than 100 (one hundred) short and medium-range anti-aircraft missiles. ARSENAL!!! Enough to fend off an attack from an American aircraft carrier. What's wrong with having such a ship. There were opinions about building several smaller units instead of one. With a shorter cruising range, with less seaworthiness, less tenacious. But they still need to be built. With the speed with which the same "Gorshkov" is being built, in about 20 years we will get what we want. And here, just install the filling in the finished case. Considering that during the collapse of the country, most of the fleet was pissed off, it is necessary at least to keep and modernize what is still possible. Until we learn to build again quickly and efficiently.
I repeat once again - it’s easier to cut into metal and rubbing your tongue than trying to do something real.

[1c-inform-city]

Quote: vyatom

Quote: AVV

Well, finally !!! It will turn out a modern ship with great capabilities, the most important thing is that allies would not fail, and everything would be done on time, and even ahead of schedule !!!

50 billion rubles. How many missile ships can be built before 2018 for this money from scratch, which will perform a wider range of tasks?
In 2018, it will go out of repair. Spend a year or two at the wall and again in repair. Are there any more problems in the country? Indeed, the inefficiency of ships of this rank was also proved in World War I, when the entire battleship Baltic Fleet stood the whole war. So it was in World War II - when the battleships Kringsmarine were hiding from the blows of the Allied aircraft and our entire fleet was locked in its bases with only one aircraft (Baltic and Black Seas).

With this money you can build only three corvettes 20385. With their value of 18 billion. Do not write nonsense.

[chunga-changa]

Good thing. Engineers are conferring, workers are working, officers are preparing to use, the enemy thinks how to parry this attack. Someone is preparing to share the profits. Connoisseurs on the Internet scolding each other, everything at work.)

[Sergey Sitnikov]

I don’t catch up at all) the arguments of this troll about American AUG might stupidly die from geography, and if (as he writes) google it))), then the RCC Meteorite has a range of 5500 km and a warhead - pi.da to any AUG

[advice]

You can argue "necessary-unnecessary" for as long as you like). No more stupid than us designers in the defense industry plow and in the ministries know how to count money. It is clear that such a combat unit strengthens the fleet of any sea power at times. The presence of such a giant in the ocean as part of the KUG will have a sobering effect on ANY, I repeat, on ANY "strategic partner." And if there are two of them ?! Very positive news!

[patsantre]

Calm down, wipe off the snot, this missile is not in the arsenal and it doesn’t hurt, because target designation still has nothing to give even granite or onyx)

[roman.picus]

Ray is better than ever!

[anarchy]

as a platform for precision weapons and the demonstration of the flag - that’s IMHO. yes KUSKi allow you to perform a wide range of tasks. Confuses only air defense systems redoubt. IMHO is rather weak for such a ship. The same Burke is smaller, but has a missile defense. Yes, and not smoothly in a redoubt yet.

[Andrey77]

We will repair and sell to India. Normally.

[xomaNN]

I am in the line of colleagues approving the modernization of the CD. pr. 1144! From my own practice I remember how the head BOD "Kronstadt" was repaired + modernized at KMOLZ back in Soviet times. In any case, the finished hull + basic settings (and hull work at current prices is prohibitive!), "Living" general ship systems will allow equipping the ship with new weapons and systems in the existing volumes of the ship with lower costs and tangible time frames. And a new CD with similar capabilities will not appear from scratch in 10-12 years.

[Crang]

We need to repair this boat faster. We will repair it quickly - we will be the coolest in the ocean on it.

[project sity]

That's for sure, you need to put the fleet on its feet. To intimidate and show Russian power to the whole world!

[Watchman]

A great ship that the fleet needs so much! It can even become the core of an ocean squadron without an aircraft carrier!

[project sity]

That is better late than never. It’s time to start modernization, in the courtyard of the 21st century! )))

[project sity]

That is better late than never. It’s time to start modernization, in the courtyard of the 21st century! )))

[Blind]

in this case, it’s better never...
Well, what really useful things can they do with it? creating a second Peter the Great out of it, even with an S-400 instead of a Fort, is a waste of money... the Russian fleet simply does not need such a ship... there are a lot of real and much more important tasks than the hypothetical fight against the enemy’s AUG (in which even There is no chance for an Orlan modernized according to the “improved Peter the Great” option)..

1) you can try to make a super air defense-missile defense platform out of it - remove all unnecessary Granites, saturate it with air defense systems to the maximum (S400? S500?), make a powerful radar with phased array on the superstructures.
2) we again cut out all the Granites from it, instead of them there is a take-off deck for a dozen and a half to two helicopters, we change the S300 to the S-400, we install modern means of combating submarines and we get the nuclear “Moscow”, which is very useful in modern times, which, unlike prototype 45 years ago will be able to operate autonomously at a great distance from its own bases


but most likely, in 10-15 years we will just get a slightly modernized Petya-2... expensive and useless.

[Blind]

Quote: Rurikovich

In this case, from my point of view, everything is being done correctly. Easier to write off for scrap. And then whine that, they say, enemies are all around - the fleet is being destroyed. This has already passed. The Eagles were designed as assassins of surface-class aircraft carriers. With unlimited cruising range, what's stopping them from being upgraded? Nothing. It is only necessary to have the desire and opportunities. Yes, they stood at the wall for some time. ovsky "Nimitz" generally have a resource of 50 years. And these are more than one decade.
Only I don’t understand that ignorant people are shouting about the full armament of 80 missiles. Project 1144 is armed with 20 Granite launchers. In view of the modernization, one P-700 cell is being replaced by the smaller "Caliber" in terms of weight and dimensions in the amount of 4 units. The result is 80 missiles of the "Caliber" class. And anti-aircraft weapons remain at the same level. Maybe with a replacement for more advanced types of missiles. At the moment, the cruiser's air defense system in terms of performance characteristics includes more than 100 (one hundred) short and medium-range anti-aircraft missiles. ARSENAL!!! Enough to fend off an attack from an American aircraft carrier. What's wrong with having such a ship. There were opinions about building several smaller units instead of one. With a shorter cruising range, with less seaworthiness, less tenacious. But they still need to be built. With the speed with which the same "Gorshkov" is being built, in about 20 years we will get what we want. And here, just install the filling in the finished case. Considering that during the collapse of the country, most of the fleet was pissed off, it is necessary at least to keep and modernize what is still possible. Until we learn to build again quickly and efficiently.
I repeat once again - it’s easier to cut into metal and rubbing your tongue than trying to do something real.

Eagles are Soviet Yamatos.. Cool, menacing, beautiful, but.. a completely useless waste of resources.
The relevance of the ship against aircraft carrier groups, even at the time the first ship of the series was launched, was a big question... Well, now it’s completely zero. Orlans against a US carrier strike group could only be effective as part of their own AUG, and an AUG with its own ejection nuclear aircraft carrier with AWACS aircraft and a large air wing (Ulyanovsk) - because no Kuzma, and certainly not Kiev, could cover them from a strike from carrier-based aircraft condition. Eagles can shoot granite at 500 km, and the US AUG, having complete and unconditional superiority in the air (if anyone disagrees with this, I can explain why) will detect them 1000+ km away with an extremely high degree of probability.. So try to pass these several hundred km under continuous attacks from enemy aircraft and hundreds of tomahawks - which, yes, are cheap, slow, with a small warhead, but nevertheless quite effective, fly 1000+ km; even a standard AUG actually has a LOT of them. And in the event of a real collision between the fleets of the USSR and the USA, it would be unlikely that they would have to deal with a standard AUG - no one would simply send it to sea.. Most likely reinforced and most likely to protect a convoy of several dozen pennants with its obviously large escort.. So we think.. It would probably be about a dozen Ticonderogas and Spruances in total - i.e. under 3 hundred tomahawks... which Orlan and Kuzya, without an AWACS aircraft, will detect 100 kilometers away (if you're lucky).. Well, try, no matter what kind of air defense you have, to shoot 5-200 targets in 300 minutes.. As they say - good luck. .

I still don’t understand why they were built.. With this money that the USSR squandered on the eagles, it would have been quite possible to build a dozen extra Oscars, which would be an order of magnitude more effective as an “aircraft carrier killer”

[Dart2027]

They were built as support for Ulyanovsk.

[Dump truck]

Better late than never! Not a single ship will be superfluous for our native fleet! Especially with the behavior of all evil spirits in light of recent events. "Sevmash" - success and good luck! HOORAY!

[Gans1234]

2 Orlan and 3 Atlanta will become universal attack missile cruisers - a powerful air defense umbrella in the first place. Kuznets + 2 Mistrals + 7-8 BOD 1155 (upgraded to a destroyer up to 20g) + 7-8 Sarych ((upgraded to a destroyer up to 20g) - ready 3 strike groups with aircraft-carrying attack ships for three fleets. And quietly slap new ones on the sly destroyers and aircraft carrier by 2035
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Orlans make it with stealth plating.
Or another small hangar for helicopters at the stern (remove the missiles and AK-130 from the stern - add a hangar superstructure in their place + use the empty space under the gun and rockets = a double-deck hangar for helicopters of 6-9 units)

[red_october]

Quote: vyatom

Quote: AVV

Well, finally !!! It will turn out a modern ship with great capabilities, the most important thing is that allies would not fail, and everything would be done on time, and even ahead of schedule !!!

50 billion rubles. How many missile ships can be built before 2018 for this money from scratch, which will perform a wider range of tasks?
In 2018, it will go out of repair. Spend a year or two at the wall and again in repair. Are there any more problems in the country? Indeed, the inefficiency of ships of this rank was also proved in World War I, when the entire battleship Baltic Fleet stood the whole war. So it was in World War II - when the battleships Kringsmarine were hiding from the blows of the Allied aircraft and our entire fleet was locked in its bases with only one aircraft (Baltic and Black Seas).

1. Number of ships that really can be built by 2018, is determined not only by financing, but also by the production and technical base where these funds need to be used, and also by the need for qualified workers, engineers and designers. Judging by open sources, both shipyards and specialists are overloaded with orders, and it’s impossible to build something beyond that “from scratch,” as you say, is unrealistic. Moreover, such a complex mechanism as a military frigate or cruiser.
The Ukrainian Zorya Machine Plant Kyiv has blocked the Russian market, please note, and so far only 2 frigates of Project 11356 for the Black Sea Fleet are equipped with marine engines, and 4 more. must be handed over to the Navy

2. Regarding the effectiveness of heavy cruisers. I remember that Bismarck and Tirpitz took over entire squadrons and terrorized large theaters of war, radically changing the balance of power. What, in August 2013, off the coast of Syria, the Project 1164 Moskva cruiser was redundant, or would the Orlans with 80 missiles with a range of more than 1,5 thousand km each not be needed, as they now want to make them? Give up Syria, it wouldn’t be much better than it is now with Ukraine. And perhaps they would have had 2 wasp nests nearby.

3. Regarding the unreliability of “vintage” cruisers produced in 1979-88. I have the impression that fans of Moskvich-412 and Lad-Prior like to raise this topic, who spend all their free time in the repair pit and watch their car rot from year to year. Is a 250-meter colossus with a displacement of 26 thousand tons really made of the same tin as the wing of your nine?
The Americans reactivated 4 Iowa-class battleships built in 1942-44 in the early 80s (!!!). The displacement of 57 thousand tons made it possible to deploy the required weapons (32 Tomahawks and 4 Harpoon anti-ship missiles. By the way, our “Peter the Great” is already equipped with 20 much more powerful and technologically advanced P-700 “Granit” anti-ship missiles; it does not have the long-range “Tomahawk”, but the S-300 “Fort” air defense system (and not only) apparently is a much better solution than what is on the Ticonderogas and Arleigh Burkes.
And their Ticonderoga-class cruisers are not much younger than our Orlans, they have their own problem, the US Navy cannot get funding for the mothballing of some warships on the one hand, and the repair of the remaining cruisers and destroyers in service, otherwise, in their opinion After 2020, calculations will have to write off worn-out ships en masse.