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Russia will give Indonesia more 37 infantry fighting vehicles

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The Indonesian army will receive from the Rosoboronexport more 37 infantry fighting vehicles (BMP-3F), RIA reports News. The solemn ceremony will be held on Monday, January 27, at the Karang-Tekok proving ground. The presence of Indonesian Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro is expected.


Currently, the Indonesian marines already have in their arsenal 17 BMP-3F. This first batch was delivered to Jakarta within the framework of the agreement on the state credit of Indonesia from Russia for the sum of one billion dollars, signed in 2007 in the framework of the visit to the Indonesian capital of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Indonesia ordered BMPs arrived at the main base of the Indonesian Navy in the Javanese city of Surabaya in November 2010, and in early May last year Jakarta signed a new 37 BMP-3 Russian-made purchase contract worth a total of 114 million dollars for the country's marine corps.
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  1. RUSS
    RUSS 27 January 2014 11: 49
    +4
    Indonesia recently (like many in the region) has been arming itself heavily as a counterweight to China, on the one hand and on the other, as opposed to Anglo-Saxon Australia. The market is growing, it would be good for ours to gain a foothold there!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 27 January 2014 12: 02
      +5
      If Indonesia checks in combat conditions and evaluates our BMPs as the best, then the market is secure. This repair, and modernization, and new supplies. Sea shells and ammunition.
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 27 January 2014 13: 23
        +8
        Quote: Алексей_К
        If Indonesia checks in combat conditions and evaluates our BMPs as the best, then the market is secure.


        ... If in combat conditions against China, then I am afraid there will be neither a market nor Indonesia ...)))))
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      3. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 14: 01
        +5
        Quote: Алексей_К
        If Indonesia checks in combat conditions and evaluates our BMPs as the best, then the market is secure. This repair, and modernization, and new supplies. Sea shells and ammunition.


        Another thing is alarming ... Again, within the framework of a loan "? Who gave it to us last? We write off to everyone, and the essence of this game is not fully understood (not a financier), but there are guesses ...
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 27 January 2014 14: 48
          +11
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          We write off to everyone

          I wrote here already 100500 times! Writing off is not to be forgiven for SO, but finding compromise solutions in the form of introducing our own companies into resource (mostly) production for ourselves and for sale. Suppose, on your own, to find a shelf with oil and wander off its beloved to yourself, and give the owner a crust of bread without oil in terms of the former debt, etc. etc .. Or iron demands on a political platform: like, I need a military base for 100 years for 5 rubles a month.
          Incidentally, the whole world practices this. In short, google.
          1. rolik2
            rolik2 27 January 2014 17: 01
            +3
            Quote: Sergh
            Or iron demands on a political platform: like, I need a military base for 100 years for 5 rubles a month.

            Maybe then tell me which Russian companies pump oil or gas? Or rented a base for 5 rubles? Google doesn’t give a clear answer.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 27 January 2014 18: 03
              +4
              Quote: rolik2
              Maybe then tell me which Russian companies pump oil or gas?


              Yes, actually all.
              LUKOIL Overseas: the company already has two blocks offshore Romania, where seismic exploration will begin soon. In addition, the LUKoil subsidiary recently created three alliances with Norwegian oil companies to jointly participate in the 22 licensed round for the development of the Norwegian shelf. Offshore projects in West Africa are also developing.
              Gazprom Neft's foreign subsidiary NIS is engaged in the exploration and production of oil and gas in Serbia, Angola, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Hungary and Romania. Gazprom Neft is also a member of several PSA and hydrocarbon exploration and production projects in Iraq, Venezuela, and Cuba.
              And so on.
              1. rolik2
                rolik2 27 January 2014 19: 27
                +1
                Quote: Botanologist
                And so on.

                But on a more specific basis and precisely on those countries for which debts have been forgiven? And does it justify writing off huge sums of debt?
              2. pawel57
                pawel57 27 January 2014 22: 42
                +2
                Why do you consider these companies ours? It appears in the press that the owners are supposedly Russians dummies, like Abramovich. All this is alarming, all these forgiveness and debt. In Libya and probably in Syria, they kicked us in the ass.
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 27 January 2014 23: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: pawel57
                  It appears in the press that the owners are supposedly Russians dummies, like Abramovich


                  Then answer what business you consider Russian. If there is an account in offshore - what is it? If the surname of the owner of Brunkengelts is what? If a business owner bought a villa in Africa and spends money there - which one?
            2. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 20: 49
              +1
              Quote: rolik2
              Quote: Sergh
              Or iron demands on a political platform: like, I need a military base for 100 years for 5 rubles a month.

              Maybe then tell me which Russian companies pump oil or gas? Or rented a base for 5 rubles? Google doesn’t give a clear answer.


              He will advise google. Those. Do not believe yourself, but you can google ... More Wikipedia authority)))
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 27 January 2014 17: 20
            +7
            Quote: Sergh
            Like, I need a military base for 100 years for 5 rubles a month.

            Cheered. So we are somehow wrong because neither in Cuba, nor in Afghanistan, nor in the DPRK nor in Vietnam are our bases. Like the oil of Libya and Iraq
            Year 2000. Write-off of the 11 billionth (in dollar equivalent) debt to Vietnam .- (payment of Kamran base for 20 years)


            Year 2003. Writing off Iraqi debt in the amount of 12 billion dollars. - (only Russia can puff but fulfill obligations, everyone else says: "Deneg is dumb")

            Year 2007. Russia is writing off 4,7 billion debt to Algeria in exchange for assurances from the Algerian authorities that new contracts were signed with Russia in the military-industrial sphere.

            Year 2007. Mongolia debited debt in 11,1 billion dollars.

            Year 2007. Russia forgives Afghanistan the same (about 11 billion dollars) amount of debt.

            Year 2008. Russia, in exchange for profitable contracts, writes off debt in the amount of $ 4,6 billion to Libya. Contracts then had to be quickly curtailed due to well-known events. (Gaddafi raped Pu-better one hundred rubles now. THAN 1000 WHEN ANYTHING))

            Year 2010. Mongolia again. Write-off of Russian (non-Soviet) debt in the amount of 168 millions (not billions) of dollars.

            Year 2012. The Russian Federation is writing off a number of African countries debt of about 20 billion dollars.

            Year 2012. DPRK 11 billionth (some kind of magic number of debt) was written off .- (of course, there’s nothing to take from them, but at least don’t give it anymore)

            Year 2012. Debt of Kyrgyzstan in the amount of about $ 0,5 billion was written off .- (that debt could be included in the payment for the base)

            Year 2013. Cuban debt is being restructured, which according to some estimates is about $ 30 billion (payment of the base in Lourdes for 100 years) or the purchase of land for the base
            Isn’t it time to stop already? In the same Venezuela, which sits directly on oil tomorrow, Maidan and hello can happen
            1. alone
              alone 27 January 2014 23: 06
              +1
              Quote: Pilat2009
              In the same Venezuela, which sits directly on oil tomorrow may happen Maidan and hello


              Actually, Venezuela pledged to pay for the loan with bolivars. Truth at the official rate, 1 dollar 6 bolivars. But really 1 dollar costs a lot more than 6 bolivars
          3. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: Sergh
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            We write off to everyone

            I wrote here already 100500 times! Writing off is not to be forgiven for SO, but finding compromise solutions in the form of introducing our own companies into resource (mostly) production for ourselves and for sale. Suppose, on your own, to find a shelf with oil and wander off its beloved to yourself, and give the owner a crust of bread without oil in terms of the former debt, etc. etc .. Or iron demands on a political platform: like, I need a military base for 100 years for 5 rubles a month.
            Incidentally, the whole world practices this. In short, google.


            Are you naive or want to seem to them?
        2. Goldmitro
          Goldmitro 27 January 2014 18: 30
          +2
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          Another thing is alarming ... Again, within the framework of a loan? Who gave it to us last time?

          Our market businessmen are embarrassed to say openly that the loan is most likely (as it was with Malaysia once in the 90s) Indonesia will pay with deliveries of PALM oil (it is one of the leading exporters of this product in the world)! After all, our business structures do not mind shit for the people! Already today, most of the so-called dairy products, including EVEN, allegedly, "natural milk" in Russia is made on the basis of palm oil! PROFIT is crazy, and this is the MAIN thing for our business! And how the human body reacts to this, naturally, our business leaders are NOT INTERESTED and, mind you, they simply do not indicate the presence of palm oil in any "dairy" product!
          1. pawel57
            pawel57 27 January 2014 22: 46
            0
            Who are our businessmen? Abramovich? Our businessmen do not have foreign mercenaries for the most part not Russian.
      4. Cherdak
        Cherdak 27 January 2014 20: 54
        +1
        Quote: Алексей_К
        If Indonesia checks in combat and evaluates our BMP


        Crew, pers. Xnumx
        Landing, people 5 + 2 extra seats in front

        And then what a progress!
    2. 120352
      120352 27 January 2014 14: 47
      +3
      The market is growing. Only this sale is not in our armed forces!
      1. bask
        bask 27 January 2014 22: 48
        +1
        Quote: 120352
        sales market is growing. Only this sale is not in our armed forces

        This is the main thing.
        BMP 3F, how the air is needed by our marines, but not one purchase in the Navy.
        Or BMP-3M in the troops.
        China against this background, is actively arming its marines, BMP ZBD-2000, in thousands of units.
        Today, the BMP ZBD-200, seaworthiness is the best of all BMPs.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 27 January 2014 22: 54
          +1
          Hi Andrew, impressive.
          1. bask
            bask 28 January 2014 00: 42
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            impressive.

            Sash hi
            Especially the number of units issued. For the PLA.
            And then already for sale abroad.
            As they did in the USSR, at first they 100% provided their army then, export.
            In simplified configurations. And now it's the other way around: what's the newest for export. Which is simpler and older than yourself.
  2. Unisonic
    Unisonic 27 January 2014 12: 00
    +9
    Everything is on credit, well, everything. What is not delivery is on credit. And then, after 30 years, some other government will sign the papers "we forgive you everything."
    But no one forgives Russia anything, and more than some, some have enough sense to issue invoices "for the occupation", demand to pay debts for the USSR, etc.

    Cuba owed us 30 billion, and for the REC in Lourdes I regularly demanded money - Russia spent $ 600 million annually on the maintenance of the center. These are allies, or simply leeches.
    1. 3935333
      3935333 27 January 2014 12: 46
      +3
      gave money for the purchase of armored vehicles, you can also go to the bank to take the dough for Ford Focus or Lada Grant! you can not pay in the end too?
      1. avg
        avg 27 January 2014 13: 13
        +7
        Quote: 3935333
        You can also go to the bank to take the dough for Ford Focus or Lada Grant! you can not pay in the end too?

        Indonesia may not pay. You are not. request
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 27 January 2014 14: 27
          +2
          Quote: avg
          Indonesia may not pay.

          Indonesia pays normally, for several years ...
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 27 January 2014 15: 01
            -1
            Quote: avg
            Indonesia may not pay

            Did you come up with this on the fly or hit the opponent in revenge without thinking?
            If Indonesia doesn’t pay even cowards for tears at least once, they will pour such a bucket of slop into this country that it will be washed alone without a washcloth and soap.
            If you took a neighbor, but he didn’t give it away, I think the next time you send him away empty. So here, only the scales are somewhat different.
            1. avg
              avg 27 January 2014 22: 13
              0
              Quote: Sergh
              Did you come up with this on the fly or hit the opponent in revenge without thinking?
              If Indonesia doesn’t pay even cowards for tears at least once, they will pour such a bucket of slop into this country that it will be washed alone without a washcloth and soap.

              First of all, read what is written, and not conjecture for the author.
              I don't know if Indonesia is paying on loans or not. The Ministry of Finance does not often inform us about this. Much more often I find out that we forgive debts to this or that country, for the simple reason that it will not pay anyway. So, Indonesia may well do the same, and therefore I write: "Indonesia may not pay"
              If you took a neighbor, but he didn’t give it away, I think the next time you send him away empty. So here, only the scales are somewhat different.
              And this paragraph. It’s just a masterpiece, so simple, and at the same time, so intelligibly you explained everything. good
            2. Russ69
              Russ69 28 January 2014 01: 27
              0
              Quote: Sergh
              Did you come up with this on the fly or hit the opponent in revenge without thinking?

              The loan was allocated in 2007, during which time Indonesia bought the BMP-3. and several Su-27s.
              I will explain the essence of this loan.
              The loan itself is designed for 6-7 years. That is, during this time they must order weapons for this amount. The order itself, entered into force after payment of 20% of the amount of the ordered equipment (I don’t remember exactly)
              Moreover, the lard itself is painted approximately exactly according to the years of the loan term. This includes payout insurance and Indonesia's ability to pay debt. As a result, by the time the treaty expires, Russia is already returning almost the money invested, while Indonesia is not paying much financially paying, especially since they were calculated not only with money. To date, we have almost beaten off everything, it remains only to get a gesheft. By the way, in addition to the loan, we then got the right to develop a metal deposit (I don’t remember which one). Now, when everything went smoothly, ours began to offer them submarines and more drying, under approximately the same conditions.
              Sergh, before you start to be indignant about giving someone a loan, you should still try to find out about its conditions.
      2. predator.3
        predator.3 27 January 2014 13: 56
        +2
        Quote: 3935333
        gave money for the purchase of armored vehicles, you can also go to the bank to take the dough for Ford Focus or Lada Grant! you can not pay in the end too?


        Collectors and bailiffs are gouging!
      3. 120352
        120352 27 January 2014 14: 50
        +2
        Can not. They will take away the car and evict them from the apartment.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 27 January 2014 12: 51
      +7
      But this is a new market. Yes, and now they sell little under the cache. For example, the PRC - 100% gives almost preferential loans, they have spoiled themselves all over East Africa. In fact, in every country the army is re-equipped with Chinese, and officers are trained in the PRC. But after the military-technical cooperation, Chinese companies and corporations came to East Africa, which began to pump out all unnecessary from the bowels and build production on ultra-favorable terms. Are such loans profitable?

      The United States also sells a large part of weapons on credit or through special support programs (that is, they don’t need to give back either partially or not in cash).

      There is now a whole Spanish aircraft carrier who wants to buy on credit. And nothing wink .
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 27 January 2014 18: 15
        +3
        Bangladesh spent part of the Russian loan of $ 1 billion for the purchase of 24 Yak-130 combat training aircraft, said Anatoly Isaykin, Director General of Rosoboronexport OJSC, in an interview published by Kommersant on Monday.

        “In particular, a contract has already been signed for Yak-130 aircraft in the number of 24 vehicles,” Isaikin said, answering the question, what was the loan spent on $ 1 billion, which Russia allocated to the People’s Republic of Bangladesh last year.


        And the more we produce and sell, the better the plants will work. You simply cannot achieve the normal operation of an enterprise that produces, for example, 50 aircraft under the 1 contract, and then it must produce another model, and also a little. The French with Rafale and the Swedes with SAAB are ready to do anything to sell at least where. For they understand that it is easy to destroy production, but then cannot be assembled.
    3. S-200
      S-200 27 January 2014 14: 00
      +3
      Quote: Unisonic
      All on credit, well, that's it. What is not delivery is on credit. And then after

      The global practice of arms trade at the interstate level ...
    4. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 14: 05
      0
      Quote: Unisonic
      Everything is on credit, well, everything. What is not delivery is on credit. And then, after 30 years, some other government will sign the papers "we forgive you everything."
      But no one forgives Russia anything, and more than some, some have enough sense to issue invoices "for the occupation", demand to pay debts for the USSR, etc.

      Cuba owed us 30 billion, and for the REC in Lourdes I regularly demanded money - Russia spent $ 600 million annually on the maintenance of the center. These are allies, or simply leeches.

      You are a naive person. Nobody forgives anyone. It’s just that not a billion will return, but Lyamov 250, and not to the state, but to those in power ...
    5. Russ69
      Russ69 27 January 2014 14: 26
      0
      Quote: Unisonic
      Everything is on credit, well, everything. What is not delivery is on credit. And then, after 30 years, some other government will sign the papers "we forgive you everything."
      Enough, everyone to remember the written-off debts. Which, for an hour generally went, as material assistance.
      With Indonesia, the contract received several years ago and is not the first batch of weapons. Payments are started, after the first delivery, in the amount of delivery. If deliveries continue, then payments are proceeding normally.
  3. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 27 January 2014 12: 03
    +3
    It is necessary to take into account the negative experience of the Ukrainian comrades who sent defective infantry fighting vehicles to Iraq. Only the highest quality military equipment will ensure the consolidation of Russia in this arms market.
  4. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 27 January 2014 12: 05
    +1
    A funny camera angle turned out. BMP, with a pipe from the stove stove. lol
    1. avg
      avg 27 January 2014 13: 21
      +2
      This is a pipe for air intake afloat. To not overwhelm the wave.
    2. 120352
      120352 27 January 2014 14: 54
      0
      So we have a cold and long winter. Where without a potbelly stove? To think about people.
  5. svskor80
    svskor80 27 January 2014 12: 12
    +4
    It is necessary to take into account the negative experience of the Ukrainian comrades who sent defective infantry fighting vehicles to Iraq. Only the highest quality of military equipment will ensure the consolidation of Russia in this arms market.

    Ukraine armored personnel carriers tried to sell. I think in Russia the production of armored vehicles has not yet reached such a sad state. The key to quality after-sales service is what attracts customers. We are sometimes tight with this.
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  7. Vadim12
    Vadim12 27 January 2014 13: 30
    0
    How does she swim? Rows of caterpillars or screws stand?
    1. 120352
      120352 27 January 2014 14: 55
      +2
      Water cannons are.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 27 January 2014 15: 20
        +1
        Quote: Vadim12
        How does she swim? Rows of caterpillars or screws stand?

        Is it really difficult to type "BMP-3f" in the search engine Yandeka, Google and read it from cover to cover? Really, such stupid ... children's questions ?!
  8. mountain
    mountain 27 January 2014 13: 34
    0
    We are strengthening Indonesia, which means Russia has some kind of military plans.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 27 January 2014 18: 07
      +1
      Quote: mountain
      it means Russia has some kind of military plans.


      Rather, economic. Very fast-growing economy, a lot of things are needed. Yes, and good relations with Russia. It’s better to make such countries friends.
  9. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 27 January 2014 17: 00
    0
    It’s time, already, to start talking about the base. Yet Nikita was seriously thinking about this.
  10. sxn278619
    sxn278619 27 January 2014 19: 20
    +1
    Come on, donated some pennies. 15 billion loans and 3 billion for gas were presented to Ukraine. Russia has enough money for everyone. This is not for you to build an aircraft carrier.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 28 January 2014 00: 49
      0
      Quote: sxn278619
      Come on, donated some pennies. 15 billion loans and 3 billion for gas were presented to Ukraine. Russia has enough money for everyone. This is not for you to build an aircraft carrier.

      These are not gifts, but loans, firstly. Secondly, it is still unknown whether there will be more benefit for us from a built aircraft carrier or from a preserved Ukraine.
  11. Max_Damage
    Max_Damage 27 January 2014 19: 29
    0
    I have nothing to do with the army, but BMP 3 for some reason causes very pleasant emotions. very beautiful, and with a bunch of weapons, and probably drives well. Yes, and swimming.
  12. shelva
    shelva 27 January 2014 21: 50
    0
    RUSS - "The sales market is growing, it would be nice for ours to gain a foothold there!"
    I agree, especially since expanding the arms sales market, Russia is expanding its sphere of influence.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 28 January 2014 00: 59
      0
      Quote: shelva
      RUSS - “The sales market is growing, it would be nice for ours to gain a foothold there!” I agree, especially since by expanding the arms sales market, Russia is expanding its sphere of influence.

      Bangladezh 24 Yak-130 ordered, against the previously allocated loan for 1 lard.
  13. kelevra
    kelevra 27 January 2014 21: 58
    +2
    The main thing is not to deprive your troops.