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Our sworn friend Norway

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Our sworn friend Norway



In connection with the upcoming shortage of natural resources, the world's leading players are increasingly paying attention to remote corners of the globe. One of these places was the Barents Sea, whose economic potential is steadily increasing. But at the same time, rivalry between key countries in the region, including between Russia and Norway, is intensifying. So far, Moscow and Oslo prefer mutually beneficial cooperation to open confrontation, but for how long?

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The Barents Sea region covers areas such as northwest Russia, as well as the north of Norway, Sweden and Finland. 5,2 has a million people living here, most of them Russian citizens. In addition, Russia owns the largest cities in the region, the largest part of water and land.

It turned out that the Barents Sea, since the Middle Ages, has become a place of cooperation and confrontation between Russia and the countries of Western Europe. For example, European seafarers tried to penetrate into Asia through the Arctic Ocean, but after it turned out that their vessels were not adapted for this, they preferred to trade with Russian merchants. The trade route from Europe to Arkhangelsk was lively until the beginning of the First World War.

In the interwar period, the Barents Sea turned into a bear corner of Europe: the Entente severed trade ties with the young Soviet Union. And during the Great Patriotic War, on the contrary, increased attention was focused on the region: Germany and its allies tried to strengthen their positions here, but the USSR impeded these plans. During the Cold War, the Barents Sea remained an important arena of confrontation, but this time between the ATS and NATO. The Northern Fleet, which is considered the largest and most powerful fleet Russia is the legacy of that era.

Now, after a century of confrontation, the Barents Sea is once again turning into a zone of mutually beneficial cooperation. Moreover, it is not only about mining operations: it is difficult to overestimate the importance of transport routes passing through the waters of the Barents Sea. The intensity of the transport of goods and goods has steadily increased in recent decades, while the number of cross-border social exchanges is increasing.

Aware of regional trends, Russia and Norway signed an agreement on the introduction of a regional visa-free regime in 2012. In 2013, the number of crossings of the Russian-Norwegian border reached a record high mark, which indicates an economic convergence of the border areas of both countries.

In addition, Russia, Sweden, Norway and Finland are members of the Council of the Euro-Arctic Region. The main goal of this organization is to solve infrastructure and economic issues. Also, countries washed by the Barents Sea are represented in the Northern and Arctic Councils and participate in the EU Northern Dimension program.

Experts predict that the growth in commodity exchange in the Barents Sea region will lead to increased competition between the largest cities of Russia and the Scandinavian Peninsula states. So, each city will claim leadership in a particular economic sector. However, such competition will not lead to the rupture of trade relations between Russia and Northern Europe: Europeans are too interested in free access to the Russian market, and therefore are unlikely to resort to sanctions or violent confrontation.

Although the Barents region is rich in natural resources, it has two significant drawbacks: remoteness from the consumer and very low population density. The first problem can be solved by building oil and gas terminals and pipelines, in particular, Nord Stream, which will allow gas to be delivered to Europe from wells located in the European part of the Far North. And the second question requires a more balanced approach and is in close contact with the social policies and economies of the region.

In addition to hydrocarbon production, fishing and forestry are developed in the arctic regions of Russia and Norway. However, these sectors of the economy gradually fade into the background, giving first place to mining, processing and transportation of minerals. But we must bear in mind that the further development of oil and gas enterprises in Scandinavia and in Russia depends solely on global demand for oil and gas, so experts refuse long-term forecasts, so it’s not worth writing off woodworking and fishing.

Russian-Norwegian cooperation or rivalry?

Despite mutually beneficial cooperation, Norway wants to press Russia into the Barents Sea right now, appropriating part of the region’s wealth. So far, countries are competing for consumers, while, oddly enough, without departing from the principles of cooperation: Gazprom worked together with the Norwegian Statoil, which also signed a contract with Rosneft in 2012. In 2010, in the framework of joint cooperation, Russia and Norway managed to resolve the protracted territorial dispute in the Barents Sea, which remained unresolved for about 40 years. And those fields that are on the border line, it was decided to develop jointly.

However, in the future, ordinary competition may escalate into unfair competition, especially if the demand for oil and gas rises. Of course, as mentioned above, Norway and other countries in the Barents Region will not openly break trade relations with Russia, and try to find other ways to solve the problem. For example, Norway is already in favor of expanding NATO military exercises in the Arctic. Oslo hopes to oust Russia from the Barents Sea, using the protectorate of the North Atlantic Alliance.

Back in March last year, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that he considered such actions unacceptable and aimed at destabilizing the situation in the region. The speech of the guarantor was pretty tough: the president made it clear that any attempts to interfere in the interests of Russia would be stopped. And this can be understood, since Moscow did everything possible to ensure that the Barents Sea was not a confrontation zone, but peace and prosperity, including giving up part of the shelf in favor of Norway. And now Oslo, with the support of its NATO allies, is attempting to get involved in yet another conflict, this time connected with the militarization of the Arctic.

It is characteristic that the interests of Norway in NATO are most actively lobbied by the United Kingdom. In turn, the curator of Finland is the United States, which last year sent its special forces to this country to train the Finnish military. I wonder who the Finns and Norwegians are going to fight in the waters, mountains and forests of the North?

Despite the militarization of the Arctic, Russia is not refusing military cooperation with Norway. For many years, the naval forces of both countries have participated in the Pomor joint exercises, which allows for the exchange of experience between the Russian and Norwegian military personnel. Dialogue between the countries of the Barents Region is an indispensable condition for deterring Anglo-American power. The stronger the economic and diplomatic ties between Russia and the Scandinavian countries are strengthened, the more collateral damage Norway will suffer in the event of a military conflict, losing one of the most important partners.

Thus, Russia's actions are now aimed at stopping the threat from the north: we have enough problems in the south. Despite the fact that NATO is trying to manipulate Norway (to be honest, the Norwegians themselves are even happy with such manipulation), Moscow manages to maintain stable partnership with Oslo. We have too many ties with Norway to break them at the initiative of the Norwegian government: many Norwegian oil-producing companies will lose this, which will certainly have a negative impact on the state of the national economy of Norway.

In the event of a force collision with Norway, we will win: Oslo is one of Moscow’s main competitors on the European market. If an armed confrontation begins, Norway will not be able to secure the extraction and supply of energy resources, and then Western Europe will start looking for more reliable suppliers. The lack of resources of some European companies can be compensated by contacting us.

Oslo is well aware of this, and despite attempts by the United States and Britain to establish themselves in the Arctic, they are trying to maintain good relations with Russia. However, under the friendly guise there is a grin: it is possible that the Norwegians will still try to squeeze us out, relying on their allies in NATO. This is precisely why militarization of the Barents Sea is carried out: what if it happens?
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  1. Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 January 2014 08: 36
    +13
    Perhaps not quite a topic. But since it is about oil. But is it not time for us to develop such a direction as electric cars, etc. Once salt was worth its weight in gold, and now a penny. So oil can become cheaper. But you need to do this urgently. Already there are serious developments in this direction in other countries.
    1. kris
      kris 28 January 2014 10: 04
      +33
      something the author kept silent about the treacherous decision of Putin's temporary deputy bear.
      1. Heccrbq.3
        Heccrbq.3 29 January 2014 14: 34
        +2
        "The treacherous decision of Putin's temporary deputy bear" ---- somehow sounds wrong. How can a temporary deputy decide something for himself?
    2. Yozhas
      Yozhas 28 January 2014 11: 52
      +1
      It is possible to develop and develop, only they lean out and do not give a choke. This little coma is beneficial because a lot of oil is tied. The economy of many countries is raw as well as Russia. Well, in addition to the economy, a lot of things are tied to oil. Hence, oil tycoons from other interested countries and individuals do not particularly allow this direction to develop.
    3. vyatom
      vyatom 28 January 2014 12: 34
      +15
      Dumb some article. Or maybe so, or maybe so. Norway has never been our special partner in this region. In payment for liberation from fascism, Norway joined NATO, creating a hotbed of tension in the region. But under the Union, Norway was treated like a cheap slut and did not stand on ceremony.
      And if some lousy norgs are still pushing us out of the Arctic, this will not be good at all.
    4. old rocket man
      old rocket man 28 January 2014 15: 46
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Once salt was worth its weight in gold, and now a penny.


      Salt is not a good example for comparison; it has fallen in price not because it has become less in demand, but because transportation from places of intensive mining has fallen in price
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 28 January 2014 16: 37
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      But is it not time for us to develop such a direction as electric cars, etc.

      Electricity must be generated at a power plant, this is an "extra" cycle in production.
    6. lapo32
      lapo32 28 January 2014 16: 45
      +1
      And where to get electricity and how much energy is spent on the production of batteries, the game is not worth the candle, Ukraine has already flown
    7. Lelek
      Lelek 29 January 2014 03: 38
      +2
      And who will allow you to develop this area - is it really the oil and gas lobby? Yes, you priest joker in earnest. bully
  2. rugor
    rugor 28 January 2014 08: 36
    +7
    In the event of a force clash with Norway, we will just win:


    What nonsense? Someone will survive, but someone will not, and everyone will be the loser.
    1. alone
      alone 28 January 2014 22: 24
      0
      Norway is a NATO member. Any clash means a nuclear war. There will be no winners. There will be silence, grave. Moreover for all
  3. Ihrek
    Ihrek 28 January 2014 08: 37
    +22
    Putin’s policy of updating and strengthening the Army and Navy finds further confirmation of its correctness. Only a strong Army and Navy can moderate the aggressive ambitions of the West towards Russia. Without a strong Army, the existence of Russia is impossible.
    1. AVV
      AVV 28 January 2014 12: 40
      +4
      Quote: Jamal1974
      Putin’s policy of updating and strengthening the Army and Navy finds further confirmation of its correctness. Only a strong Army and Navy can moderate the aggressive ambitions of the West towards Russia. Without a strong Army, the existence of Russia is impossible.

      Russia has two allies, the Army and Navy, but there are a lot of enemies of Anglo-Saxons, blue Norway and who else is behind them !!!
    2. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 28 January 2014 16: 26
      +2
      Quote: Jamal1974
      Putin’s policy of updating and strengthening the Army and Navy finds further confirmation of its correctness. Only a strong Army and Navy can moderate the aggressive ambitions of the West towards Russia. Without a strong Army, the existence of Russia is impossible.


      And we also have Rosselkhoznadzor, they took and banned the import of fish from Norway! laughing
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 29 January 2014 03: 42
        +2
        But their own caught anyway in Japan, China and Norway for dollars will leave. fool
  4. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 28 January 2014 08: 42
    +16
    In the event of a violent clash with Norway, we will just win

    What is the military confrontation? Luntik, Judah, for another smartphone they will cut the territory again, just ask.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 28 January 2014 09: 38
      +3
      Come on ... Dima won back his. Of course, without the pope’s sanction, he would hardly have jerked, but: did they put a tasty slice into the mouths of the Norwegians? Put it down. Eat, do not hang on. Still? But this is according to the situation. For times are changing slightly, and so are people. From ancient times, Russian politics was ... not quick. And soft enough. While the Russian bear, excuse me, did not kick in the ass. What usually ended up with many examples.
      Considering that now we have exactly the bear (yes, it has become thinner, as in the spring after hibernation, but the bear, and not the zoo panda), then it is time to draw conclusions for some politicians.

      They are there in the North ... somewhat slow, yes. Cold, frost, you understand. And everything seems to them that since NATO is there behind their backs, then it is possible to wander around.

      Oops, Norwegians, don't smoke the Internet, but at least the Zvezda channel. And there are many interesting things, yes ...

      Quote: Rattenfanger
      What is the military confrontation?


      Yes, what the hell is military confrontation? You look what the Norwegian Armed Forces are!
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 28 January 2014 11: 50
        +3
        Quote: Banshee
        Yes, what the hell is military confrontation? You look what the Norwegian Armed Forces are!

        You can not consider the military confrontation with Norway, regardless of the confrontation with NATO! It is with such mistakes that diplomatic and military failures begin.
      2. voliador
        voliador 28 January 2014 18: 23
        0
        It is not the Norwegians themselves, but those who stand behind them and who want to rake the heat with their own hands.
    2. gispanec
      gispanec 28 January 2014 09: 54
      +2
      Quote: Rattenfanger
      Luntik, Judah, for another smartphone they will cut the territory again, just ask.

      Do not nuba ... almost all the lost territories over the past 10 years, your Putin lost .... and a close friend of Vova pioneer Dima without a pointer and does not open his mouth (even being a pseudo-cutter)
      1. Averias
        Averias 28 January 2014 11: 00
        +3
        And in more detail you can. This is what kind of territory our and not your Putin lost. Very interesting.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 28 January 2014 15: 08
          +1
          Quote: Averias
          And in more detail you can. This is what kind of territory our and not your Putin lost. Very interesting.


          for the troll, this is absolutely not important, the main thing is to repeat this mantra every day, with or without, blaming Putinism for anything and everything, consider yourself a fighter for justice. In general, read the MEMORY TO THE AGENT OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT - instructions for the fighter of the invisible front (work on the forums), yes, there is one such:

          1. Definitions and terms:
          Russia is a country illegally owning mineral reserves on its territory that belong to the whole world
          "paid agent of the Kremlin" - any opponent who uses facts and figures to answer
          "United Russia party on salary" - anyone who does not criticize the government on the forum
          "Western democracy" is an unattainable model, an ideal society towards which a country that illegally owns the world's mineral wealth should strive

          General recommendations:
          2. Try to use fewer numbers. Unfortunately, the numbers can be checked and this will undermine your position. Do not use comparisons in percent - you can get confused.
          2.1 If you still use numbers, never use Russian statistics - it cannot be correct by definition. Only American, Japanese and European statistics are correct.
          2.2 Always use the adage that statistics are one big lie.
          If the statistics in Rush shows something bad, then it is correct, but underestimated at least ten times.
          It is impossible to refute this statement, so use these objections whenever you can say it.
          If you are using American statistics, then the opposite is true. You don't need to prove anything. Suffice it to call the opponent a "United Russia party paid by the hirer."


          this is an excerpt, all the material here: http://informachina.ru/news/429-pamy...u-gosdepa.html
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        3. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 28 January 2014 18: 09
          +2
          Russia and Norway signed the Treaty on the Delimitation of Maritime Spaces in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean, thus completing 40-year negotiations. In the presence of President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, the foreign ministers of the two countries sealed the document with their signatures.
          According to the agreement, Russia gives Norway half of the water area of ​​about 175 thousand square meters. km In 1926, the USSR unilaterally declared these territories its own. Nobody recognized these claims, however, and did not seek to dispute. In 1976, Norway also unilaterally attributed this part of the sea to itself.

          The only thing the parties managed to agree on was joint fishing in the zone of mutual territorial claims. This happened in 1978. There you can fish, crabs and other seafood. But the attempt of the USSR in the 80s to start oil and gas production failed - Norway declared its protest. Since then, a moratorium has been declared on geological work in this water area. But even those first results of searches by Soviet geologists and estimates of Norwegian experts showed that there are huge hydrocarbon reserves in the disputed zone, and especially in its southern part.

          However, having agreed on the development of mineral resources, the Russian side seems to have lost sight of the more traditional fishing for those places - fishing. Outraged fishermen wrote an open letter to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. The document was published 5 days before the signing of the contract, however, no changes were made to its text. None of the officials responded to the requests of the fishermen.
          http://svpressa.ru/society/article/30533
        4. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 28 January 2014 18: 12
          +1
          In October 2004, during a visit to China by Vladimir Putin, an additional agreement was signed on the Russian-Chinese border, providing for the transfer to China of the Bolshoi and Tarabar islands, as well as the division of the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island into Russian and Chinese parts. The federal law approving the additional agreement was ratified by both chambers of the Russian parliament and signed by the president in 2005. On July 21, 2008, in the development of the provisions of the agreement, the Foreign Ministers of the Russian Federation and China signed the “Additional Protocol-Description of the Russian-Chinese State Border Line in its Eastern Part”, which determined the border line in the vicinity of the Bolshoi, Tarabarov and Bolshoi Ussuriysky islands. The entire territory of the Tarabarov island (in the Chinese version - Yinlundao, the island of the Silver Dragon) and half of the Big Ussuri island (Heisyatszydao, the island of the Black Bear) passed to the Chinese side. The total area transferred under control of Beijing amounted to 174 square meters. km
          On Monday, December 1, 2009, an official ceremony was held to transfer Russia to China 174 square meters. km of disputed territories. In a festive atmosphere on the land of the border, border posts were opened, and the parties exchanged notes confirming the completion of the definition of the Russian-Chinese border along its entire length. The Russian Foreign Ministry, having reduced the presence of the media, has limited the publicity of the ceremony, the Kommersant newspaper writes.
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      3. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 28 January 2014 11: 36
        0
        He is as mine as yours.
        1. Averias
          Averias 28 January 2014 12: 22
          0
          Quote: Rattenfanger
          He is as mine as yours.


          I addressed my comment to gispanec if that.
          1. Rattenfanger
            Rattenfanger 28 January 2014 17: 51
            0
            Then sorry)
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  5. calocha
    calocha 28 January 2014 08: 51
    +1
    Norwegians are waiting for the change of head of state as soon as Dmitry Anatolyevich’s type comes to him so much as a native in his hand, and in return ... a piece with useful mineral resources!
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 28 January 2014 09: 40
      +4
      But will he come?

      Not the next few years 10-12 ... GDP is a long time)))

      So instead of tsatska in your hand, you can get mmm ... some organ in the sphincter ...
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 28 January 2014 08: 55
    +2
    from the Don.
    Maybe it's time: Yuri Dolgoruky: to emerge in Oslo? laughing
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 28 January 2014 09: 17
      +6
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      Maybe it's time: Yuri Dolgoruky: to emerge in Oslo?


      Maybe you shouldn't look for a black cat in a dark room, especially if it's not there? If you live with the thesis in your head that "enemies are all around," then paranoia is not far off, like the North Korean leader. Norway is not our friend, but certainly not our enemy. For now, at least.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 28 January 2014 09: 41
        +3
        Quote: Stiletto
        Norway is not a friend to us, but certainly not an enemy. For now, at least.


        It is "bye". While they just want to snatch themselves at our expense. As long as they want it is one thing. As soon as the process is started, it is completely different.
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto 28 January 2014 10: 04
          +2
          Quote: Banshee
          It is "bye". While they just want to snatch themselves at our expense. As long as they want it is one thing. As soon as the process is started, it is completely different.


          Totally agree with you. hi And as soon as they launch it (if they launch it) - here they will receive it at the most reluctant.
  7. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 28 January 2014 09: 10
    +2
    Of course, I would not want armed clashes, a bad world is better than a good war and no one will benefit from a war, except Britain and the USA, history indicates this. And it is time for Norway, and other countries, to do their policy without confrontation with their neighbors, because any problem can be solved before they start killing.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 28 January 2014 09: 43
      0
      It's time for Norway to do politics without ever looking back at the UK. Surely not bad.
  8. ed65b
    ed65b 28 January 2014 09: 15
    +4
    And what can Norway oppose us in the event of a conflict at sea ??? 6 submarines and 5 frigates. 13 missile boats. And we?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 28 January 2014 09: 39
      +6
      And we will send them DIMON with our beloved iPhone.
      1. alone
        alone 28 January 2014 22: 26
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        And we will send them DIMON with our beloved iPhone.

        laughing Norwegians will not stand this and will return everything)))
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 28 January 2014 09: 42
      +3
      Another 52 new Leopard 2s and two buckets of ancient F-16s.

      Laugh.
    3. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz 28 January 2014 10: 17
      +10
      Enough to spoil our fleet today. By the way, they built 5 frigates in 5 years, and how many are we building Gorshkov?
      1. Orakyl
        Orakyl 28 January 2014 10: 32
        +3
        Norway did not fight in principle, and its armed forces are not able to withstand the Russian armed forces, and therefore they understand that having entered into a military conflict, they sign a death sentence. NATO is the USA! a real threat, but in the event of a conflict, Russia has a real adversary in the person of the above partners and, as a result, the alliance has no chance of survival.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 28 January 2014 11: 23
      +1
      Norway is a member of NATO.
  9. Grbear
    Grbear 28 January 2014 09: 41
    +3
    The article is a recommendation for finding enemies. Norway has enough of its problems. It is enough for us to create joint ventures and their businessmen will regulate everything. But NATO - it is to poke your nose everywhere. This is their job.
    1. T-73
      T-73 28 January 2014 12: 25
      +1
      Quote: GrBear
      it is enough to create joint ventures and their businessmen will regulate everything.

      created. Much adjusted in favor of Russia? ask the Murmansk fishermen, where do they unload the fish?
      Quote: Banshee
      They are there in the North ... somewhat slow, yes. Cold, frost, you understand. And everything seems to them that since NATO is there behind their backs, then it is possible to wander around.

      Do not slow us down, do not flatter yourself. Borzeet understands what exactly as a NATO member. They themselves, alone, will not climb to Russia, the seat will not be enough. Yes, and they will be dumb, the states are far away, and Norway is nearby. I don’t think they don’t feel sorry for their well-kept houses. But the interests of the alliance can make them work out the roof. And here all their colleagues, especially overseas ones, will not give a damn about the opinion of a single Norwegian, even though their king. Now our trawlers are only harshly chased by their coast guards, but here they are in their right - it was no fucking thing to scatter their fishing areas. Thanks to one half-wit: everything is for "dear partners", nothing is a pity.
  10. svoi
    svoi 28 January 2014 10: 25
    +3
    Russian mining companies cling to scientific and technical research, this is a strategic (long-term) investment, there is no need to expect immediate benefits here. And the Norwegians have technologies for drilling and producing oil and gas. Here we are friends, here we are giving "Kemsky volost".
  11. Orakyl
    Orakyl 28 January 2014 10: 26
    +2
    Someone is trying to discuss the possibility of concession to the Russian lands? For the semi-smart, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the map of Tartaria, for stupid with our friends the sun and the navy! On the first attack it is necessary to give hands (head) so that all others would be scared!
  12. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 28 January 2014 10: 29
    +6
    some nonsense. what a clash with norway, what nonsense is that? there is no struggle for Arctic hydrocarbons - the shtokman turned out to be (and always was) no one needs, it costs more to mine there than the extracted product. as for fishing, there are also no particular contradictions here, if earlier Murmansk was a fishing city, now we need a port only to ship coal. so do not care for this fish.

    We have too many ties with Norway to sever them at the initiative of the Norwegian government: very many Norwegian oil producers will lose from this, which will certainly have a negative impact on the state of the national economy of Norway.


    what are our connections with norway? They process our fish in small volumes, and residents of the Murmansk region stock up with diapers in Kirkenes. everything, nothing else. a few statoilovskih gas stations about anything, gasoline there is more expensive and not so hot, people there mostly eat hot dogs. so the "Norwegian oil companies" (I actually always thought there was only one statoil) would not lose anything if we broke off relations with them or they were with us. only there were no prerequisites for this and there are no.
    article - a dummy
    1. T-73
      T-73 28 January 2014 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      gas is more expensive there and not so hot

      and not at all Norwegian. More expensive if without a card -5%, and so within the limits of statistical error now
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      Now we need a port only to ship coal

      very controversial issue. Atomflot, by the way, is based there. The Northern Sea Route passes again. How are we going to develop the Arctic without it? Through one Dudinka?
    2. vyatom
      vyatom 28 January 2014 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      if earlier Murmansk was a fishing city, now we need a port only to ship coal. so do not care for this fish.

      Who do we need? You do not talk about all that you have no idea. The fishing industry is currently not in the best condition, but the north of Norway has risen very much due to our fishermen. They know how to count money. The fishing port, shipyard, shipyard in Murmansk practically do not work, because it was not profitable to go into Murmansk. But this is also money in the budget and jobs that migrated to Norway.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 28 January 2014 15: 59
        +2
        Quote: vyatom
        The fishing port, shipyard, shipyard in Murmansk practically do not work, because it was not profitable to go into Murmansk. But this is also money in the budget and jobs that migrated to Norway.


        You yourself answered your post.
        It is necessary to build fish factories, modernize ship repair and terminals of the fishing port, simplify customs rules, then the fish will be handed over to Murmansk, and not to Norway, until you hand over the fish in Murmansk, it will rot, so, by the way, the fishermen say
        1. vyatom
          vyatom 28 January 2014 19: 01
          +1
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          You yourself answered your post.
          It is necessary to build fish factories, modernize ship repair and terminals of the fishing port, simplify customs rules, then the fish will be handed over to Murmansk, and not to Norway, until you hand over the fish in Murmansk, it will rot, so, by the way, the fishermen say

          What kind of fishermen tell you? The technological cycle of freezing fish products provides for its freezing to -27 degrees, at which it is stored in the freezing holds of trawlers. And in the port it is reloaded into the same freezing terminal. And it certainly does not deteriorate. Learn mat.chast, rocket.
          And often, the fish are immediately loaded right into the freezers and shops. And all this in Murmansk was built back in Soviet times.
  13. ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 January 2014 11: 24
    0
    The logic is simple even if you look at the globe, we will roofing the Norwegians, plus they will trade for themselves, roofing felts will be eaten by NATO and the Anglo-Saxons.
  14. sevtrash
    sevtrash 28 January 2014 11: 48
    +1
    Alexander III: "In the whole world we have only two loyal allies - our army and navy. All the others, at the first opportunity, will take up arms against us." This must always be remembered, especially the second part.
  15. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 28 January 2014 12: 12
    0
    UK's most active interests in NATO lobby most
    The filthy shaves are once again trying to pit peoples and profit from it.
  16. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 28 January 2014 12: 51
    +3
    Taking advantage of the capture of the Murmansk and Arkhangelsk by the British, hundreds of Norwegian fishing vessels invaded our territorial waters in April 1918. Since the Russian Navy was absent here, the Norwegians continued to poach even after the departure of the British squadron. The liveliest pirates entered the Russian waters for more than a thousand kilometers, and seals killed almost a million in just five years, almost wiping them clean.

    At the protests of Moscow, Oslo mockingly replied that since they did not recognize Bolshevik Russia, they did not want to know its sea borders either. When the Soviet border boats began to detain the poachers, the Norwegian fleet, including coastal defense battleships, entered the business. Our sailors could not oppose them to the cannons, and the lawlessness of the impudent seals continued. Moreover, Norway claimed Franz Josef Islands belonging to Russia. The situation changed only in 1933, when the first ships of the future Northern Fleet dropped anchor in Murmansk, including submarines deployed along the White Sea-Baltic Canal. Fearing to get a torpedo to the side, the Norwegian armadillos crawled into their native skerries, and after them poachers also fled. Then, by the decision of the Hague International Court, the Norwegian forces had to be evacuated from Denmark owned Greenland, where they had landed two years earlier, under the command of the brave Minister of Defense Vidkun Quisling.
    http://read24.ru/fb2/yuriy-nersesov-kak-perevirayut-istoriyu-/
  17. 120352
    120352 28 January 2014 13: 04
    +2
    But can we meet the many wishes of the working people of Norway and accept it as part of Russia as an autonomous region on the basis of self-sufficiency, but provided that the shelf and the sea are ours. Let the oranges grow, and whoever wants - bananas. Complete freedom of self-feeding!
    1. Lk17619
      Lk17619 28 January 2014 15: 49
      0
      I am for!!! It’s just that you must first all theirs LG ... or whatever it is called where to throw it.
  18. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 28 January 2014 13: 42
    +2
    small bug, but smelly. it's me about a sworn friend.
  19. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 28 January 2014 14: 01
    +1
    Quote: vyatom
    In payment for the liberation from fascism

    Who freed Norway from fascism? She was both pro-fascist and remained. I always hated Russia, and not only at the state level, but at the level of every resident of Norway.
  20. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 28 January 2014 14: 33
    0
    Collaborate, create a joint business, tear the Scandinavians away from the Britons and the Yankees, and then we'll see.
  21. indiggo
    indiggo 28 January 2014 14: 55
    +1
    they have envy in their blood, all of Europe is a bunch of envious states, and Americans with shaving use it.
  22. vitantin
    vitantin 28 January 2014 17: 54
    0
    It is time for our submarine to emerge in the fjord by accident without identities and leave, I think it will decrease in ardor. They want to squeeze ... From a dead donkey their ears
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 29 January 2014 03: 51
      +2
      A distinctive feature of a fool is that everything that is infected in a disease head speaks out loud and loudly. fellow
  23. PACIFIST
    PACIFIST 28 January 2014 18: 09
    -2
    Even though both the Navy and the army are strong. BUT THE DRINKING DOGS will decide the policy and the Arctic will be in some common corporation we sell land in the Far East. And the war with Norway is a war with NATO + the Americans, and why do our oligarchs need this ??? If, to my regret, we are a capitalist country, our politicians, oligarchs and the whole elite do not indulge in the West
  24. voliador
    voliador 28 January 2014 18: 26
    0
    Hard on the slope for any creep into our territories! These scrappers and geyropeytsy only understand the power! They will receive it in the forehead, and they will bypass it already.
  25. shelva
    shelva 28 January 2014 18: 46
    0
    Look at the map And think about how you can push Russia out of the Barents Sea ?, through an open armed conflict or what? It’s ridiculous.
  26. homosum20
    homosum20 28 January 2014 20: 05
    0
    God save us from such friends. We will somehow get rid of enemies ourselves.
  27. shelva
    shelva 28 January 2014 21: 14
    +1
    Quote: Novel 1977
    Norwegian armadillos crawled into their native skerries, and after them poachers also fled

    This was the case before World War II, but since then a lot has changed. Our miners work in Spitsbergen, and the influence of the Soviet fleet is undeniable. The USSR controlled the northern sea route and conducted nuclear tests on the islands, ignoring the screams of NATO members about "preserving the Arctic", as if this was what worried them. Norgi now have the cheapest electricity from tidal power plants and are among the leading countries with energy-intensive industries, from electroplating to deuterium production. Will they really spoil relations with such a neighbor as Russia, which is already recovering from the Gorbachev-Yeltsin decline?
    PS Skerries among Finns and norgs - fjords.
  28. komel
    komel 29 January 2014 00: 46
    0
    "Finland and Russia can benefit from the development of Arctic shipping - the first as a manufacturer, the second as a user"
    Finland has built more than 1500 ships for the Soviet Union and Russia.

    The Russian-Finnish slanting icebreaker, commissioned by the Russian Ministry of Transport, will be tested in February-March 2014 in the Gulf of Finland.
  29. Neophyte
    Neophyte 29 January 2014 09: 11
    0
    Norway, until the 60s of the last century, was a country of reindeer herders and fishermen. In the past, Norway has always been a seedy province of Sweden. Poverty, diseases associated with traditional incest in families have been left
    a significant trace in the nation’s gene pool. Yes, with the development of minerals, Norway has become a leader in
    living standards, but the population of Norway, despite the infusion of Afro-Asian blood, is doomed to extinction. Of 5 million inhabitants, about 3 million patients with genetic diseases, a sort of bomb for the next generations. Formally, they are full, are satisfied with subsidies from the government, all allowed in the country
    sexual perversions. This country has no future.
    In the Barents Region, Norway pursues an aggressive policy, putting forward constant claims to Russia in the field of fisheries and the development of other resources. There are plenty of examples, this is the Spitsbergen zone, Medvezhy island and others. Medvedev gave Norway the so-called gray zone, which we used together with Norway .Serdyukov, despite the strengthening of NATO forces at our borders, even tried to disband the elite units of the marines, flirting with Norway. Here are our state men!
    Somewhere in the comments, the theme of Murmansk flashed. It is well known that Murmansk could receive fish and then sell fish through its terminals, but another thing is also known that it is profitable for new owners to hand over fish in the ports of Norway. There are complete reasons, but there is no solution to the will of the state make the right decision.
  30. Leader
    Leader 29 January 2014 11: 53
    0
    We must ALWAYS proceed from the fact that what kind of "friends" we do not have and will not be!
    And why the hell are they for us? - we have everything! all minerals, oil-gas, forests-land, water ...
    But they have - or not, or is already ending.
    Therefore, friends and stuffed ... hating out of envy ...
    They all went to hell!
    Only the strengthening of the army and the universal duty of urgent service will save Russia!