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Checkmate Russian people in Ukraine?

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Checkmate Russian people in Ukraine?



When a year ago I began to write articles on the Military Review about the position of the Russian ethnic group in south-eastern Ukraine, I secretly hoped that not only Russian patriots would read them, but maybe by some miracle and side analysts in the Kremlin. My naivety was great. What is happening in Ukraine today is a symbiosis of two or even three currents:

1. Dissatisfaction with power and corruption.

2. Belief in the fairy tale "Liberal law-governed state".

3. Nationalism.

The tragedy of the Russian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians seems horrible and ironic at first glance. Think about it yourself: how did the multi-million Russian-speaking industrial southeast lose the battle for the ideology of the farms and district centers of Western Ukraine? Sometimes it seems to me that the West deliberately, in 2010, let Yanukovych win, so that he would finally discredit the Russian idea, wringing it in the mud of corruption and crime, so that the only bright path would be to the west of the Dnieper. How quickly everyone forgot that the Orange Revolution just ended with the growth of corruption, raiding and a crisis. So what's up? Really - in the short political memory of Russian-speaking passport holders of Ukraine?

Everything is much deeper and more serious. And the point here is not even the presence of an extensive entrepreneurial class as a conductor of European integration, which seeks salvation from excessive administration. Just again and again, Russian experts in the studios of TV channels are attacking the rake, relying on the fact that the south-east of Ukraine will not allow the “Banderevs” to seize power. And I, as the hero of the TV program S. Yu. Belyakov, spit on the TV and shout to them: “Yes, even a quarter of Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the east are Bandera!” And my words are easy to check even to the residents of Novosibirsk, Lipetsk or Vladivostok, though they know how to make good use of the search engine on the Internet, using the tab “Time and chronology”. Show me, dear experts, where in Shakhtar in 2004 in Donetsk, during the orange events, they came out not just in support of Maidan, but as a combat wing, whose goal is to protect European people from wild Russians and Ukrainians, whom the monopolistic media calls titushky , even if they have St. George ribbons on their chest !? Then they even threatened to withdraw from the Championship of Ukraine, and more precisely, not to play on the territory of Western Ukraine. Only 9 years have passed, and we read: "Shakhtar fans came to the defense of Donetsk Euromaidan“And if we consider the geography of attempts to capture and picket the RSA in the eastern and central regions of Ukraine? In 2004, this was not even close to the east of the Dnieper. So much so that even in Lugansk they went under the regional administration. Read the article:"In the Lugansk, the storm of the RSA did not take place“Tell me, is it enough? Believe me, not only dissatisfaction with power and corruption, but also the humanitarian component derives them, even partially unconsciously.

23 of the year in million-plus cities where 95% of the population communicate in Russian was taught in Russian-speaking Russian-speaking schools история Ukraine, where Tsarist Russia first oppressed Little Russia, then bloody Soviet Russia finished off Ukraine with the Holodomor and the Gulag. And not a single textbook on the history of Russia as opposed to it (so that pupils and students themselves choose which version is preferable). And recently (it was generally insulting to tears) asked one Russian-speaking Russophobe in the Russian city of Berdyansk (I write in Russian, because it was founded by the Russians in 1827 year). So:

Listen, berdyanets. What did you do wrong with 1956 to 1991. Russia condemning the cult of Stalin? You now live in Berdyansk, where 80% infrastructure is from the USSR! And how is it not disgusting for you to communicate in Russian? Every year I am convinced that that Berdyansk, which I knew, is dying. Despite the fact that in the city 90% communicate in Russian, residents become Russophobes.

He is to me:

Russia did a lot of bad things both before and after the period you specified, but I will give a couple of examples from that period.

1. Afghan war. Who needed her?
2. Chernobyl disaster. The nuclear power plant was built on the age-old Russian “Avos” in a tectonically unsafe place.
3. Persecution of the Ukrainian intelligentsia. In particular, Vasil Stus, a lawyer (it is clear for whom he worked) who was Medvedchuk.


Source: http://pro.berdyansk.biz/content.php?id=2308#comment_box (comment #22675).

In general, I almost fell off the chair. And I am ready to argue for anything, that he has a classic Russian surname such as Petrov or Vetrov. Dear Sirs, we are no longer even talking about Russian-speaking Ukrainians like Sidorchuk or Boyko. The literary Ukrainian language, which is based on the Poltava dialect, completely loses to the Galician language. Especially in this Ukrainian media sin.

What to do? If it were calm now in Ukraine, it would be possible to initiate the creation of Russian communities. But, forgive me, how can you create a Russian community, for example, in the city of Lugansk? There, without exaggeration, 97% communicate in Russian. This is equivalent to creating Russian communities in Pskov. True, in fairness, we reject ourselves from the fact that “the speaker of the Russian language” does not mean that a person is Russian. But why is this possible? Because 23, in Russian, he was told that he was not Russian. Dead end coming out? If we begin to create Russian communities in Russian-speaking cities, we thereby limit ourselves in the right to consider these cities as Russians. Which is better: to have 20% ideological Russians among 80% Russian non-ideals, or to cling to all Russian-speaking, even Russophobes, where the main gift will be the possibility of military-political maneuver throughout the Russian plain?

But this debate was worth starting at least after 2004. Today I observe how regional state administrations in Cherkassy, ​​Poltava, Chernihiv, Sumy, as well as bold attempts in Dnepropetrovsk and Lugansk are storming. And all this is under the flag of the European Union and under the slogan "Glory to the Heroes!" Maybe at the time of publication of the article, even in Zaporizhia, what the hell is not joking.

Why do I primarily focus on the humanitarian component, rather than economic, social and political? Yes, because if we close our eyes today to the fact that the young guys from Donetsk are united because of real problems with corruption and authorities, but they are in solidarity with those in Kiev who dance to the music: “Who does not jump, that mos ... "And honors Bandera, and with those who already on Saturday banned activities in the 10 areas of the Communist Party and the Party of Regions without a court decision !!! What's next? Shooting for dissent?

Thus, Russia must get ready for the appearance through 5-7 of twenty million Russian-speaking Russophobes (which will be useful for sabotage in Russia itself) and, of course, Galicians on its borders. This script will available in the event that today Yanukovych accepts the conditions of the opposition, and the elite of the southeast, in exchange for preferences, will continue the work of the melting pot of "Ukrainians".

Those who first learned about the increase in the number of Russian-speaking Russophobes in eastern Ukraine, I return to the article a year ago: Manifesto to Russian in Ukraine! (Supplemented).

PS At the time of sending the article to the corrector (may God bless him with health and patience) news from Donetsk - that Afghan veterans dispersed “euromaidan” there. But who will do it in ten years? Retired? How much can you retreat? Already on the streets of Donetsk we stop! ..

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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 27 January 2014 08: 01
    +22
    If Yanukovych loses power - and he has already lost it, you must admit that now he can’t do it by force!
    “those who previously supported Tymoshenko will come to power, and she, they say, for the west of Ukraine tried a lot more than for the other part of it,” Yanukovych means to prison, Ukraine to NATO.
    If not, what do you think?
    Do you still believe in a power scenario?
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 27 January 2014 08: 10
      +8
      He has no strength .... already. All that is in Kiev.
      1. invisibility
        invisibility 27 January 2014 08: 19
        +30
        As an option, he will turn to the people for help. The whole problem (problems) that Yanukovych is the same corrupt .... They go to power for the sake of profit, and not for serving the people.
        1. Bezz
          Bezz 27 January 2014 11: 11
          +20
          Quote: invisible
          Yanukovych is the same corrupt .... They go to power for the sake of profit, and not for serving the people.

          It is not necessary to use the word "geopolitics" when analyzing Yanukovych’s actions, since he does not know this word. This is a man who received a sentence for bending through a door in a public toilet and pulling off hats from visitors who were sitting on the toilet with a penguin, upset. A petty criminal is a very specific psychology. This is, firstly, a person who is constantly looking organically for where to steal, who is not able to understand the strategic consequences of his actions. Lack of mind is replaced by trickery, and by cunning usually this kind of people understands their own ability to explain to everyone around them that he is an honest man and that he is not at all guilty, and he did not steal, and then Vasya, Petya, Masha. And if others do not believe in this, then the petty criminal understands that this is because they are his enemies. In addition, the petty criminal believes that all problems in the world are solved by violence. Now, if you can’t fool you, then you need to beat. And, of course, he considers himself completely right, because ... Well, he will beat some bad person who, because of his own corruption, calls him a "thief." While the thief is in power, no compromise is possible. In general, by virtue of slavish psychology, he is everywhere inclined to see conspiracies. If someone says “You are a thief” to him, he sincerely does not understand that this is because he is a thief. He sincerely thinks that this is the result of a conspiracy and a bad attitude towards him.
        2. strannik595
          strannik595 27 January 2014 11: 51
          +25
          once Ukraine joined the European Union .......... already forgot how cool it is
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            1. sds555
              sds555 28 January 2014 02: 20
              +1
              ROA is considered traitors in Russia, no one justifies them, unlike Ukraine, where the murderers from the SS Galichina division are considered heroes (I specify in the west)
        3. AVV
          AVV 27 January 2014 15: 35
          +4
          If Yanuk has already betrayed Russia, then he can do it more than once, and such figures in politics do not live long !!! If the interests of the southeast of the country are ignored, this will lead to a civil war no less !!!
        4. alexdol
          alexdol 27 January 2014 19: 16
          +3
          invisible SU "As an option, turn to the people for help."
          -----------------------------------------------------------------
          I already wrote here that Yanukovych learned to do just one thing well. STEAL! This, of course, he got everyone! But now we are faced with a choice, WHAT TO DO? I live in Kharkov, on Saturday 50 buses with our Galician "friends" tried to break through here! They were met on the outskirts of the police. That's what people say! Today I called the regional department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and offered to do something ... I was thanked for the indifference and active position, but they refused help, saying that they had everything under CONTROL! I would very much like to believe it, otherwise, looking at how the cops are beaten, my son and his friends want to "protect" them !? This is what it has come to ... Many do not understand what Yanukovych is: why the state of emergency is not introduced, that RUSSIA - why it is being eliminated, because it is, first of all, the RUSSIAN land! But how to look for a way out in SYRIA is possible, but in Ukraine, we stand aside?
          If the WEST is arming the Bandera forces with might and main, then who do we count on?
          1. wow
            wow 27 January 2014 20: 38
            +1
            It's not about Yanukovych and the fact that he learned to steal! Any power, if it is UKRAINIAN, is thieves (in its own state), deceitful (to its voters) and treacherous (its citizens). There has never been another here (in Ukraine), and there never will be !!! No, it is possible, of course, to put things in order here (in Ukraine). But I think I need a German in a horned helmet on a motorcycle with a machine gun. This "nezalezhnist" has gone too far! Another option is somehow not visible.
          2. invisibility
            invisibility 27 January 2014 21: 43
            0
            Damn, I don’t even know what to answer! Hold on brothers! We are, unfortunately, only morally.
        5. alone
          alone 27 January 2014 19: 59
          +1
          Quote: invisible
          As an option, he will turn to the people for help.

          The people on the drum Yanukovych.
          1. Akim
            Akim 27 January 2014 20: 05
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            drum race Yanukovych.

            A plus. But the future of the country is not in a drum. Here the question is not in Yanyka.
          2. Sid.74
            Sid.74 27 January 2014 20: 17
            0
            Quote: lonely
            The people on the drum Yanukovych.

            Does Aliyev suit you in everything? Well, dots over and put! And then I open the news-Azerbaijan and I see the “Holographic Prime Minister of Turkey” announced that the Party is going to the polls! Maybe Erdogan’s head is to choose?
            Sample from there:
            Erdogan causes the greatest trust in Azerbaijan among foreign politicians - poll
            Erdogan and Putin cause the greatest trust in Azerbaijan among foreign politicians - poll
            Erdogan warned that he could send a number of foreign ambassadors from the country
            Democratic you ours !!! tongue
        6. Nick
          Nick 27 January 2014 20: 07
          0
          Quote: invisible
          Alternatively, he will turn to the people for help

          This is a call for a civil war IMHO. Southeast and east of Ukraine against the western regions. I am afraid, in this case, a split of Ukraine into two or even three parts is possible. Yanukovych on this IMHO will not go ...
          1. invisibility
            invisibility 27 January 2014 21: 21
            -1
            Perhaps a civil war has already begun. The west of Ukraine has always been and will be against the east. You look at what turned Kiev! If this is not a war, then its beginning is certain. Do you think that the West will calm down on this? So maybe still cut out this tumor now? I will express absolutely seditious thought, from which I myself am disgusted!
            Maybe let it go west on .. sorry to Europe. Temporarily. Arrange them an economic blockade, lift the price of gas, etc. And let them join European values.
            1. invisibility
              invisibility 27 January 2014 21: 26
              -1
              And further. You do not find that the government should be able to defend itself? If she has power, of course ... What is happening in Kiev is pure criminal offenses, for which the offender must be held accountable.
          2. thirst
            thirst 28 January 2014 02: 14
            -1
            There are no conditions for a civil war. There is a confrontation between the people and the authorities and that’s all.
        7. sapran
          sapran 28 January 2014 00: 42
          0
          he also addressed the "people" ....
          Those help as much as they can (in principle and not expensively take 150-200 hryvnyas per hour) There are especially "painful" ones who work for free (sorry they keep trophies for the zhupan)
          The most "trump regions are, of course, in question - Zaporizhzhya, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkiv. For regions such as Donetsk, Lugansk, Nikolaev, Odessa and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, you probably should not even go out with slogans about the Maidan. (Everyone chooses" lesser evil "
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      3. ele1285
        ele1285 27 January 2014 08: 29
        +1
        mirag2 (3)
        If Yanukovych loses power

        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        He has no strength ... If Yanukovych loses power. Already. All that is in Kiev.

        What are you talking about, people?
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 27 January 2014 08: 49
          +50
          We have profiled people, lands and the younger generation. And you are all about Yanyka. Think about people, or you don’t care.
          Whoever tells the textbooks for Ukraine to chip in, I’ll hand over the first, I’ll tell my friends that I won’t be ashamed.
          I am the east of Ukraine, dearer than the decree.
          1. demel2
            demel2 27 January 2014 12: 55
            +1
            Yes, we have not forgotten the history textbook?
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 27 January 2014 14: 41
              +4
              "Sometimes it seems to me that the West deliberately let Yanukovych win in 2010, so that he finally discredited the Russian idea, throwing it out in the mud of corruption and crime, so that the only bright path would be west of the Dnieper."

              And why is Yanukovych kicking for discrediting the Russian idea? Where do we have this idea in Russia? Who should he take an example from? With our oligarchs in power? So their ideas are not Russian at all !!! Every governor in our country is a dollar millionaire.
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      5. Akim
        Akim 27 January 2014 08: 49
        +57
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        He has no strength .... already. All that is in Kiev.

        Yanukovych betrayed us! He betrayed the army., The police, betrayed the southeast. Betrayed for his babosy in the West. Shame on him - let him go.
        1. Vladimir 70
          Vladimir 70 27 January 2014 09: 24
          +40
          Yanukovych betrayed us! He betrayed the army., The police, betrayed the southeast. Betrayed for his babosy in the West. Shame on him - let him go
          What I betrayed I agree. But he just won't be able to just leave. In his speeches, it was slipped, "let me drive until 2015, and then choose whoever you want." The ram does not understand that he will not be able to "jump off" as in his time.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 27 January 2014 14: 48
            +3
            Quote: Vladimir 70
            In his speeches it was slipped, "Let me drive until 2015, and then choose whoever you want." The ram does not understand that he will not be able to "jump off" as in his time.

            Well that's great! But here in Russia - it will turn out calmly !!! For the receivers of the EBN have already poured in advance.
            "Article 3. Immunity of the President of the Russian Federation who has terminated the exercise of his powers

            1. The President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, has immunity. He cannot be held criminally or administratively liable for acts committed by him during the exercise of the powers of the President of the Russian Federation, as well as detained, arrested, subjected to search, interrogation or personal search if these actions are carried out in the course of proceedings related to execution him the powers of the President of the Russian Federation.

            The immunity of the President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, extends to the dwelling and office premises occupied by him, the vehicles used by him, communications, his documents and baggage, and his correspondence.
            "
            Federal Law of February 12, 2001 N 12-FZ "On guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation, who has terminated the exercise of his powers, and members of his family" (with amendments and additions)
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 15: 43
              0
              Quote: S_mirnov
              Well that's great!

              what's great?
              What are the tires burned in Kiev? what are people killing?
              that administrations seize and beat police?
              it's great?

              whoever arranges this in Moscow will be hanged on the nearest post!
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 27 January 2014 15: 48
                0
                Quote: DanaF1
                what's great?

                “But he just won't be able to just leave. In his speeches it was slipped,“ Let me drive until 2015, and then choose whoever you want. ”The ram does not understand that he will not be able to“ jump off ”like in his time Yushchu. "

                It’s great that the Ukrainian president is not blowing punishment for such a mess (though this is probably a fantasy)
                The action of the Ukrainian authorities in this situation is extremely strange or criminal. recourse

                "It is clear that the President of Ukraine and the Rada are henchmen of competing oligarchic groups plundering Ukraine, and these oligarchs have a showdown with each other. These showdowns are carried out by persons appointed by oligarchs (including foreign ones) as“ politicians. " in other countries (in the USA) politicians are exactly the same proteges of oligarchs and compete with each other in the same way.Why has there never been such insanity - why in the United States crimes never went unpunished by the state - why, for example, never the buildings of state institutions were not seized in order to force the entire people of the USA to fulfill the demands of the criminals who seized the buildings - to eliminate the power elected by the entire people of the USA?
                Because politicians are monkeys that change in the arena, and order in the circus (in the state) is maintained not even by the owners of the circus, but by civil servants who are guided by the current laws of the state. Yes, government officials follow the instructions of politicians, but only if these instructions do not contradict the laws. "
                http://www.ymuhin.ru/node/1011/ukraina-na-puti-k-fashizmu
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 16: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  It’s great that the Ukrainian president is not blowing punishment for such a mess (though this is probably a fantasy)
                  The action of the Ukrainian authorities in this situation is extremely strange or criminal.

                  you didn’t talk about that ...
                  in addition, to think that Yanuk will be jailed is the height of naivety ...
                  1. S_mirnov
                    S_mirnov 27 January 2014 16: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: DanaF1
                    you didn’t talk about that ...

                    I spoke about the responsibility of the authorities to the people. In Russia, this responsibility does not exist - hence all the troubles. In Ukraine, however, too - hence the mad maidan.
                    1. Danafxnumx
                      Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 17: 12
                      -2
                      Quote: S_mirnov
                      I spoke about the responsibility of the authorities to the people. In Russia, this responsibility does not exist - hence all the troubles. In Ukraine, however, too - hence the mad maidan.

                      What do you mean by responsibility, so that everything is only according to yours? and if someone has a different look, then what?

                      it seems to me that power behaves quite responsibly ...
                      although, of course, there are a lot of shortcomings and shortcomings, but show me the place where they are not ...
                      1. S_mirnov
                        S_mirnov 27 January 2014 17: 23
                        0
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        it seems to me that power behaves quite responsibly ...

                        how if she doesn't answer for anything ???
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        what do you mean by responsibility

                        here goes:
                        "No, and never a single people will have a power that protects it - the people's power - if this power does not answer to the people for the consequences of its rule (as suggested by the IGPR" ZOV "http://igpr.ru/aim) . "
                      2. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 19: 26
                        0
                        Quote: S_mirnov
                        "No, and never a single people will have a power that protects it - the people's power - if this power does not answer to the people for the consequences of its rule (as suggested by the IGPR" ZOV "

                        then what the hell do you want?
                        to live in a utopia, which in principle cannot be?
                      3. S_mirnov
                        S_mirnov 27 January 2014 19: 59
                        0
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        then what the hell do you want?

                        Are you kidding? Or can’t you follow the links?
                        here it is popularly explained what views I hold.
                        http://igpr.ru/aim
                      4. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 28 January 2014 00: 06
                        -3
                        Quote: S_mirnov
                        Are you kidding? Or can’t you follow the links?
                        here it is popularly explained what views I hold.
                        http://igpr.ru/aim

                        I wouldn’t like my alcoholic uncle Vasya to evaluate my activity - this is firstly ...
                        secondly, how can you evaluate something without having a complete picture, that is, access to modern secret documentation?

                        information on the link - a toy for a teenager maximalist ...
        2. pl675
          pl675 27 January 2014 16: 22
          +1
          whoever arranges this in Moscow will be hanged on the nearest post!

          in your place, I would refrain from such forecasts.
          I will explain - the situation in the world is changing so rapidly that we cannot imagine what will happen the day after tomorrow.
          and yes - who will hang and where to get so many pillars?

          ps - I am against any revolution and war - just a situation of pseudo-stability in Russia cannot exist forever.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 17: 10
            0
            Quote: pl675
            I am against any revolutions and wars - just a situation of pseudo-stability in Russia cannot exist forever.

            Yeah, in Ukraine they also said that, and how did it end?

            and the name of our country is capitalized - Russia ... or is it not your country?
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 27 January 2014 18: 21
              0
              Quote: DanaF1
              Yeah, in Ukraine they also said that, and how did it end?

              How what? Ukrainian oligarchs are fighting foreign oligarchs! And among the people, forelocks crack (if you rephrase popular wisdom).
              And the media send them articles - it’s time to decide whether you are for foreign thieves, or for your own domestic? The third pier is not given!
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 19: 28
                -1
                Quote: S_mirnov
                Ukrainian oligarchs are fighting foreign oligarchs! And among the people, forelocks crack (if you rephrase popular wisdom).

                no, you are still a naive person ...

                not the oligarchs are fighting there, because there is nothing to take from Ukraine ...
                there is a redistribution of spheres of influence between global players: Russia, the EU, the USA ...

                and all the oligarchs do not allow you to sleep peacefully ... with envy, not otherwise ...
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 27 January 2014 20: 02
                  0
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  there is a redistribution of spheres of influence between global players: Russia, the EU, the USA ...

                  and all the oligarchs do not allow you to sleep peacefully ... with envy, not otherwise ..

                  And who do you think runs Russia, the EU, the USA? Putin, Obama and Angela Merkel fool ?
                2. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 28 January 2014 00: 07
                  0
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  And who do you think runs Russia, the EU, the USA? Putin, Obama and Angela Merkel?

                  You do not pose the question correctly ....
                  not who, but why ...

                  it doesn’t matter who governs, it is important what interests pursues ...
          2. pl675
            pl675 27 January 2014 21: 24
            +2
            Quote: DanaF1
            Quote: pl675
            I am against any revolutions and wars - just a situation of pseudo-stability in Russia cannot exist forever.

            Yeah, in Ukraine they also said that, and how did it end?

            and the name of our country is capitalized - Russia ... or is it not your country?


            But essentially answer the previous post?
            let's agree so - you cook cabbage soup, and write the name of the country with a capital letter without teaching me.
        3. Sid.74
          Sid.74 27 January 2014 19: 47
          +3
          Quote: pl675
          if I were you, I would refrain from making such predictions.

          If Moscow can be manipulated by LJ and other things, then in the Urals or in Siberia, those with big ears will simply be disassembled for parts!
          During the idiotic epidemic of lovers of udaltsov and navalnara, I have a population in 500 city, how many people do you think sufferers for democracy have gathered, 30 people! Feel the difference! and without you!
          1. pl675
            pl675 27 January 2014 21: 21
            -2
            Quote: Sid.74
            Quote: pl675
            if I were you, I would refrain from making such predictions.

            If Moscow can be manipulated by LJ and other things, then in the Urals or in Siberia, those with big ears will simply be disassembled for parts!
            During the idiotic epidemic of lovers of udaltsov and navalnara, I have a population in 500 city, how many people do you think sufferers for democracy have gathered, 30 people! Feel the difference! and without you!


            I didn’t understand anything you wrote, except that I don’t need to carry nonsense.

            please blacklist my irritant nickname, I don’t have to listen to the tips of the pink glasses wearer.

            labels, bother hanging in your environment, I do not pretend to participate in it.
            fortunately, it’s not for you to decide who is missing or missing on this resource, which flags and countries.
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 27 January 2014 21: 48
              +1
              Quote: pl675
              Listen to the tips of the carrier of rose-colored glasses.
              From what I, the carrier of the Portuguese flag, will tell me how to live! It is ephemeral, such organizers of life can only yelp from abroad and teach us! In Russia, you were such belolentochnikov and sufferers for their homeland in 17 year and in 90's many, do not teach me how to live in the Urals being in Portugal
              1. pl675
                pl675 27 January 2014 22: 00
                -1
                Quote: Sid.74
                Quote: pl675
                Listen to the tips of the carrier of rose-colored glasses.
                From what I, the carrier of the Portuguese flag, will tell me how to live! It is ephemeral, such organizers of life can only yelp from abroad and teach us! In Russia, you were such belolentochnikov and sufferers for their homeland in 17 year and in 90's many, do not teach me how to live in the Urals being in Portugal


                you are worried, comrade.
                you, I’m not teaching you specifically - it’s too late to do something in your upbringing.
                re-read my previous post about blacklisting and shortcuts.
                good luck.
  2. Prutkov
    Prutkov 27 January 2014 16: 57
    +2
    Will jump off. Most likely, Fülle gave him guarantees that his money would not be touched offshore. And all the "bumps" will go to others. Look, as it is now, the Maydauns treat the internal troops with "Nuland cookies" and cocktails according to Fülle's recipe. They alone are holding the country back from sliding into civil war.
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 27 January 2014 09: 27
    +15
    Quote: Akim
    Yanukovych betrayed us! He betrayed the army., The police, betrayed the southeast. Betrayed for his babosy in the West. Shame on him - let him go.


    Akim, you fought for European integration for the first time, against Yanukovych, I didn’t understand how he could betray you, if you were originally opposed to him, don’t you find garbage?
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 09: 34
      +1
      Quote: seller trucks
      Akim, you advocated for European integration for the first time,

      I am now for signing the association (I emphasize the Association!) With the European Union on normal conditions. Only, in Ukraine, no one remembers this for a long time. At such an alarming moment, one of the parties to the conflict must be chosen. That's just, unfortunately, there is one side, and the second language in Po ... stuck.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 09: 43
        +29
        Quote: Akim

        I am now for signing the association (I emphasize the Association!) With the European Union under normal conditions

        And how to get them on an equal footing, if the players are initially in different weight categories? Are you still so naive that you believe in some kind of justice? Where did you see it, if the EU comes to, the crisis and the destruction of production comes to it? Can not Ukraine financially, economically and politically set the terms of the EU, and the EU can also in the EU not suckers sit, that would not take advantage of this.
        Quote: Akim
        Only, in Ukraine, no one remembers this for a long time.

        Only in the EU they remember and only yesterday they said again that they were ready to sign the association, of course on their terms. Do not sign, the chaos in Ukraine will continue.
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 09: 49
          -7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And how to get them on an equal footing, if the players are initially in different weight categories?

          I did not say in equitable and normal.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 09: 53
            +19
            Quote: Akim
            I did not say in equals but in normal ones.

            Ah, well, according to the EU, they are in normal conditions, so they heard you laughing
          2. Mairos
            Mairos 27 January 2014 10: 42
            +5
            Normal is how? Normal in whose opinion? What the children from Europe offered in November was also normal, in their opinion.
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 10: 50
              +3
              Quote: Mairos
              What the children from Europe offered in November was also normal, in their opinion.

              But our government is not. As the mechanic Mechnikov said: Consent is a product with complete non-opposition of the parties.
              1. Pushkar
                Pushkar 27 January 2014 13: 13
                0
                Quote: Akim
                Quote: Mairos
                What the children from Europe offered in November was also normal, in their opinion.

                But our government is not. As the mechanic Mechnikov said: Consent is a product with complete non-opposition of the parties.

                And who is your government here - the Swordsmen "tortured by narzan" or the swindlers Osya and Kisa?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 27 January 2014 13: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Pushkar
                  "tortured by narzan" Swordsmen or swindlers Osya and Kisa?

                  Since it requires money in advance, it is not sulk.
                2. Tamparu
                  Tamparu 27 January 2014 13: 28
                  +4
                  Quote: Akim


                  Since it requires money in advance, it is not sulk.


                  Yanyk’s money is running out ...
                  They just called from the tax office for an unscheduled check ..... they want money ... "URODY" ...
                  How can you support Mr. Yanukovych?
                3. Akim
                  Akim 27 January 2014 13: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: TampaRU
                  They just called from the tax office for an unscheduled check ..... they want money ... "URODY" ...
                  How can you support Mr. Yanukovych?

                  There is always not enough money for a butch.
                4. Tamparu
                  Tamparu 27 January 2014 13: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: Akim

                  There is always not enough money for a butch. [/ Quote


                  Damn, how is it from the movie "Chapaev"?
                  "On the one hand, they come and rob, on the other hand, you understand, when they come, they also rob. And where should the poor peasant go?"
                  Translated into a modern twist, "Yanyk and K" screwed up, but on the other hand it is wrapped up so that it doesn't seem like a little ... It is necessary to disperse both GOP-companies, they already got it ...
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                6. Basarev
                  Basarev 27 January 2014 16: 45
                  0
                  Listen, guys, who is stopping you from simply separating from the possessed Center and the West? Let this Maidan rabble continue to rebel, and you will be part of Russia under human equal conditions.
                7. Akim
                  Akim 27 January 2014 16: 59
                  -7
                  Quote: Basarev
                  as part of Russia.

                  I do not want!
                8. Basarev
                  Basarev 27 January 2014 22: 07
                  -1
                  If you don’t want to, then blow west.
                9. Akim
                  Akim 27 January 2014 22: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: Basarev
                  In the Russian regions of Ukraine no one holds you

                  And what X ... enesi, are you telling me in which part of Ukraine to live? Maybe you’ll create a ghetto?
                10. Basarev
                  Basarev 28 January 2014 11: 13
                  0
                  But you realize that the West needs Ukraine only as a slave and nothing more. Ukrainians will never reach an equal dialogue
                11. Akim
                  Akim 28 January 2014 12: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Basarev
                  Equal dialogue never reach Ukrainians

                  Therefore, you also decided to talk to me from the position of a gentleman? Like, you have no place to live in my estate.
            2. romrem
              romrem 29 January 2014 17: 15
              0
              blow to your russia
        2. Prutkov
          Prutkov 27 January 2014 17: 35
          +2
          And how will we draw the border? Across the Dnieper? Who will get Kiev? Central areas where many Russian-speaking people live?
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  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 27 January 2014 10: 24
    +15
    Quote: Akim
    I am now for signing the association (I emphasize the Association!) With the European Union on normal conditions.


    Akim, excuse me, but you cannot be "a little pregnant", besides, you should be well aware that there can be no "equal partnership", this is a priori, the weight category of Ukraine is not the same, but as a powerless satellite, a raw material appendage and the EU cesspool, then yes, however, this has been discussed many times.
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 10: 35
      -8
      Quote: seller trucks
      Akim, excuse me, but you can't be "a little pregnant"

      What a foolish comparison is being made with Russia. Almost all EU neighbors have associations, even Mexico.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 10: 45
        +10
        Quote: Akim
        Almost all EU neighbors have associations, even Mexico.

        Now look, if it's not laziness and I wonder what conditions other countries have. And compare with Ukraine, it will be fun especially with regard to the political conditions for signing wink
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 10: 54
          -4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And compare with Ukraine, it will be fun especially with regard to the political conditions for signing

          Maybe that's why they suspended it. I read the English version. I didn’t see anything terrible. But I'm not special in this.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 11: 23
            +6
            Quote: Akim
            . I read the English version. I didn’t see anything terrible.

            Then why do you write that you agree, but under normal conditions, if there is nothing to worry about?
            Pay attention to how much and what is allotted there for goods from the EU that will be delivered to Ukraine and Ukraine’s duties, and then look at the same thing with respect to the EU. There are not many EU obligations and goods to Ukrainian in the EU, there are only a couple of pages, everything else is the responsibility of Ukraine hi
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 27 January 2014 10: 57
        +7
        Quote: Akim
        What a foolish comparison is being made with Russia. Almost all EU neighbors have associations, even Mexico.


        I would probably agree on this, but .... there are spheres of political influence, Ukraine is such for Russia, no one actually denies this, unlike Europe, Russia proposed and allocated funds to solve economic problems, in addition, it is possible to sign a series agreements in placing their orders in the engineering, space and aviation sectors of Ukraine, are taxes, jobs, modernization of production and not acidic marginality, but what is offered by the EU and the USA, is there specifics?
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 11: 04
          -4
          Quote: seller trucks
          but what has the EU and the US suggested, is there specifics?

          Are you asking me? Yes, I can tell more about Chinese investments. Their suggestions are not known to me.
      3. Fin
        Fin 27 January 2014 11: 19
        0
        Quote: Akim
        What a foolish comparison is being made with Russia. Almost all EU neighbors have associations, even Mexico.

        Akim, you must say the whole of mexico!
        For starters, compare GDP and it is still in the 20-ke, just in case.
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 11: 33
          0
          Quote: Fin
          For starters, compare GDP and it is still in the 20-ke, just in case.

          What about Albania? Better not to live, but worse too.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 11: 38
            +6
            Quote: Akim
            What about Albania? Better not to live, but worse too.


            What's the point? Feelings of deep satisfaction from the "closeness" with the EU?
          2. old rocket man
            old rocket man 27 January 2014 11: 47
            +8
            Quote: Akim
            What about Albania? Better not to live, but worse too


            Duc, worse than they did not happen laughing
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman 27 January 2014 17: 01
            +1
            in Albania, no worse than that!
      4. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        What a foolish comparison is being made with Russia. Almost all EU neighbors have associations, even Mexico.


        And what will she give you personally? Feeling of satisfaction?
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 11: 42
          -7
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          And what will she give you personally? Feeling of satisfaction?

          To me*? Economic growth. Therefore, the growth of my pension and salary.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 27 January 2014 11: 54
            +8
            Quote: Akim
            To me*? Economic growth. Therefore, the growth of my pension and salary.


            Akim, and with what fright in Ukraine should the economy grow? While the spending on social needs of current members is reduced in Europe, they should increase for the young Europeans, do not tell me from what reserves?
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 12: 09
              -4
              Quote: seller trucks
              Akim, and with what fright in Ukraine should the economy grow?

              Why do you (yes all) oppose "either-or" or Russia or the EU?
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 12: 14
              +6
              Quote: Akim
              "or either"

              because otherwise it does not happen
            3. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 12: 18
              -4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              because otherwise it does not happen

              Who said that. Friendship with Tanya does not forbid me to be with Ira.
            4. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 12: 22
              +2
              friendship and trade are two different things, you (Ukraine) can neither the EU nor the CU, but it doesn’t work to enter both organizations
            5. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 12: 29
              +4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              You (Ukraine) can neither the EU nor the CU, but to join both organizations does not work

              So Ukraine did not enter anywhere.
            6. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 12: 32
              +5
              Quote: Akim
              So Ukraine did not enter anywhere.

              let's not dissemble, did not enter and was not going to it is not the same thing
            7. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 12: 38
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              let's not dissemble, did not enter and was not going to

              I want Angelina Jolie, but that doesn’t mean that she wants me ..
            8. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 12: 45
              +5
              the comparison is not correct
              firstly, you in this case act as a husband, and most likely as a concubine, and in fact the owner already wondered how and in what position
            9. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 12: 56
              -5
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you in this case act as a husband, and most likely as a concubine

              Roksolana was also a concubine, and began to rule the entire Ottoman Empire.
            10. Pushkar
              Pushkar 27 January 2014 13: 30
              +1
              Do you believe in TV stories?
            11. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 13: 42
              +1
              Quote: Pushkar
              Do you believe in TV stories?

              This is a historical fact.
            12. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 13: 49
              +1
              according to one version, died as a result of poisoning
            13. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 13: 58
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              merle poisoning

              This is the end point. But still the mother of Sultan Selim II, she was.
            14. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 14: 07
              +1
              will it make it easier for you that Ukraine will become the "mother" of the state in the form of a breakaway region?
            15. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 14: 09
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              will it make it easier for you that Ukraine will become the "mother" of the state in the form of a breakaway region?

              Do not exaggerate.
            16. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 14: 13
              +2
              I think I soften, unfortunately
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            18. Basarev
              Basarev 27 January 2014 16: 55
              0
              But it's almost the same thing!
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 27 January 2014 16: 52
          0
          To be the mother of a ruler and to be a ruler are not synonyms!
        3. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 16: 58
          +1
          Quote: Basarev
          To be the mother of a ruler and to be a ruler are not synonyms!

          Oh really? She had so much power in her hands that Tymoshenko never dreamed of.
        4. Pushkar
          Pushkar 27 January 2014 18: 40
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          Quote: Basarev
          To be the mother of a ruler and to be a ruler are not synonyms!

          Oh really? She had so much power in her hands that Tymoshenko never dreamed of.

          In her power was to please the overlord. no more. Historical fact.
    2. 120352
      120352 27 January 2014 17: 52
      0
      But raised him wrong. He never became Orthodox.
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  • 120352
    120352 27 January 2014 17: 51
    0
    Want a concubine?
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 27 January 2014 22: 35
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Pushkar
    Do you believe in TV stories?

    This is a historical fact.


    Wow ...
    Here it is ... a historical fact -

    referendum ... December 1991 Ukraine is independent
    Further...

    Ukraine today ... everyone knows what is in Ukraine.

    Quote: Akim
    But still the mother of Sultan Selim II, she was.


    so Ukraine is a stepmother for Ukrainians. And integration is unlikely to change anything
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 22: 46
    0
    Quote: O_RUS
    Ukraine today ... everyone knows what is in Ukraine.

    Let's figure it out. No need to gloat.
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 27 January 2014 22: 56
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Face it.


    for more than 20 years you have been deceiving the people of Ukraine. To understand twenty years is not enough?

    Quote: Akim
    No need to gloat.


    Kim provocateur and emissary.

    And Ukraine is my homeland!
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 23: 04
    0
    Quote: O_RUS

    Kim provocateur and emissary.

    And Ukraine is my homeland!

    Well, if I am a provocateur ... Yes, Ukraine is my small Motherland, which has become the Motherland, since the USSR has long been gone.
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 30 January 2014 03: 49
    0
    Quote: Akim
    since the USSR has long been gone.


    Yes, the USSR is no longer there, but so far it was, what Ukraine inherited from the USSR was Ukraine. A little more time will pass and only the name will remain from Ukraine.
  • Akim
    Akim 30 January 2014 11: 01
    0
    Quote: O_RUS
    but while it was, what Ukraine inherited from the USSR was Ukraine.

    Here the question is not in the economic component, but in the territory. Yes, even if there is a tumbleweed in Ukraine, it’s still Ukrainian land. Or do you propose to consider economics? Then the homeland you can choose the USA or China. I also never lived there, as in Russia.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 30 January 2014 12: 01
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Here the question is not in the economic component, but in the territory.

    And here's the catch ...
    How not to twirl, but part of the territories (under certain conditions) can be considered (not giving a damn about history and international law) not belonging to Ukraine ...

    And you know about these "CONDITIONS" ...
  • Akim
    Akim 30 January 2014 12: 23
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    not belonging to Ukraine ...

    Today it is and it is inviolable.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 30 January 2014 12: 33
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Today it is and it is inviolable.

    Everything is relative.
    The life of the MVSU employee is also IMPAIRABLE.
    But this does not prevent "Who to whom" with the complete inaction of the authorities to question this ...

    And the time will come "W ", and this very" power "will be able to" object "to" NATO partners "?

    Excuse me, the STATE Ukraine now appears in the form of a BLIND, PARALIZED, CASTERED IMPOTENT ...
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 31 January 2014 21: 37
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Yes, even if there is a tumbleweed in Ukraine, it’s still Ukrainian land.


    And do not dream of a tumbleweed ... the Euro-Amerian union will not allow you to treat fertile land like that.
    You are already leasing land, but this is just the beginning. At this rate you will become guest workers on "your" land.

    You do not want to work on the land yourself; you sell or lease land.
    You are used and you are delighted with this because you live a dream - Europe will come and it will be all at once

    Funny you!
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  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Roxolana was also a concubine

    don't flatter
    Ukraine is needed as markets for everyday life (excuse my third wife, for cleaning dishes, although this place is already occupied, there are "sprats"), no one will give Ukraine the right to speak.
  • Tamparu
    Tamparu 27 January 2014 13: 53
    +3
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

    don't flatter
    Ukraine is needed as markets for everyday life (excuse my third wife, for cleaning dishes, although this place is already occupied, there are "sprats"), no one will give Ukraine the right to speak.


    You are right, Ukraine will be like a "drain hole" where "European overproduction" will merge, and the Ukrainian manufacturer will "suck his paw" until he dies.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 14: 11
    +1
    Quote: TampaRU
    until he dies

    this will happen quickly enough, after that after that the prices for European goods will soar in the absence of money from the population
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 14: 11
    0
    Quote: TampaRU
    until he dies

    this will happen quickly enough, after that after that the prices for European goods will soar in the absence of money from the population
  • Tamparu
    Tamparu 27 January 2014 14: 39
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir


    this will happen quickly enough, after that after that the prices for European goods will soar in the absence of money from the population


    They will not take off, because, indeed, the people will not have money. But the dreams of the Europeans will come true, on the territory of Ukraine there will remain such a population that will be able to serve the new aliens of Geyvropa ... damn ...
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 16: 12
    0
    they’ll even take off, maybe not on TVs, but on food for sure
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  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 13: 07
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Akim UA Today, 12: 38 ↑

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    let's not dissemble, did not enter and was not going to

    I want Angelina Jolie, but that doesn’t mean that she wants me ..


    Akim, why the hell is not joking?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 13: 10
    -1
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Akim, why the hell is not joking?

    That's the same Ukraine hopes to join the EU. Or maybe it will?
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 13: 21
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Akim UA Today, 13:10 ↑ New

    Quote: Semen Semenych
    Akim, why the hell is not joking?

    That's the same Ukraine hopes to join the EU. Or maybe it will?


    So what is it about.
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  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 13: 44
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Jolie will give you more

    Fulfillment of desire is not as interesting as desire itself.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 13: 38
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Or maybe it will?

    Jolie will give you more laughing
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 13: 48
    0
    Quote: Akim
    I want Angelina Jolie, but that doesn’t mean that she wants me.

    Akim, why the hell do you want a woman with severed boobs? If you wrote it figuratively, then I will catch, and if your wishes are real, then you ... well, come up with it laughing
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 14: 01
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Akim, why the hell do you want a woman with severed boobs?

    Friske has cancer. It is not known that she will be removed. But this does not mean that she was not the lust of thousands of men.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 27 January 2014 14: 03
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Friske has cancer. It is not known that she will be removed.

    Or a tumor or a brain request She has brain cancer
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 14: 10
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Or a tumor or a brain

    A "vegetable" is an unpleasant thing.
  • atalef
    atalef 27 January 2014 15: 11
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Or a tumor or a brain

    A "vegetable" is an unpleasant thing.


    Of course Jeanne a speedy recovery
    But look at the stage, 70% have complete brain amputation, and nothing lives on.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 15: 01
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Friske has cancer.

    Friske had brain cancer, but Jolie didn’t have cancer, she just got scared that he might or might not be, but decided not to risk it. Now there are rumors that in order to avoid cancer, Brad Pitt decided to cut himself off the eggs laughingHere is such a semeika pancake wassat
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 27 January 2014 15: 05
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Here is such a semeika pancake

    Adams nervously smoking in the hallway wassat
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 15: 06
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Jolie didn’t have cancer, she just got scared that he might or might not be, but decided not to risk it

    I remember from childhood. My mother’s friend had breast cancer and they had her removed, but then we had no implants. And such a disease is inherited. And my daughter got this. But that is far from the topic.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 27 January 2014 17: 05
    0
    But meanwhile, it’s almost the same thing. The rabble that has been found in Europe is cancer. It is in our interests to destroy the entire tumor to the last cell in the most cruel and merciless ways, since they are the most effective.
  • CALL.
    CALL. 27 January 2014 19: 02
    +3
    Quote: Basarev
    It is in our interests to destroy the entire tumor to the last cell in the most cruel and merciless ways, since they are the most effective.

    At you my friend, that the troops were going to remove the tumor. Do not go there. Ukrainians themselves will figure it out.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 27 January 2014 22: 03
    -1
    They will figure it out ... Only the country will turn into a kind of Swiss cheese
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  • alex-s
    alex-s 27 January 2014 13: 17
    0
    And in my opinion, she entered into such a ****! Mom do not cry!
  • Suhov
    Suhov 27 January 2014 13: 30
    +4
    Quote: Akim
    So Ukraine did not enter anywhere.

    Comment. sad
    Not about Ukraine, hi
    But about her leadership: fool
    They haven’t entered yet, but they’ve already gotten into trouble ... wassat
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  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 27 January 2014 15: 41
    +1
    Quote: Sukhov
    They haven’t entered yet, but they’ve already gotten into trouble ...


    Еще бы!http://new.img.24smi.net/200_200/01/35a8172f042a326c22107120647521e3.jpeg

    But what about it?
    Call Yak Mavpochka!
  • pl675
    pl675 27 January 2014 16: 57
    +1
    Quote: nick 1 and 2
    Quote: Sukhov
    They haven’t entered yet, but they’ve already gotten into trouble ...


    Еще бы!http://new.img.24smi.net/200_200/01/35a8172f042a326c22107120647521e3.jpeg

    But what about it?
    Call Yak Mavpochka!



    http://fakty.ictv.ua/ru/index/read-news/id/1501660
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  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 12: 22
    +5
    Quote: Akim

    Who said that. Friendship with Tanya does not forbid me to be with Ira.


    What if Tanya is a wife? And from a different weight category? angry And then she doesn’t care on which side the skullcap laughing
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 12: 30
    0
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    What if Tanya is a wife?


    This is an alliance. In what union is Ukraine?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 12: 33
    +1
    the engagement was broken, if we switched to family slang
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 12: 40
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    the engagement was broken, if we switched to family slang

    Then, this is an Indian family, where the engagement is 10-20 before the wedding.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 13: 52
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Then, this is an Indian family

    why a very European engagement of an infant
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 12: 37
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    What if Tanya is a wife?


    This is an alliance. In what union is Ukraine?


    In a civil marriage laughing
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 13: 41
    +2
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    In a civil marriage

    in this case it is called otherwise
  • Corsair
    Corsair 27 January 2014 12: 42
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Who said that. Friendship with Tanya does not forbid me to be with Ira.

    ... But Tanya can scratch your eyes, and Ira Tanya ...
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 12: 48
    +3
    Quote: Corsair
    ... But Tanya can scratch your eyes, and Ira Tanya ...

    What is happening now. In general, women are fools. Forgive me Egoza (not in a mental box, but emotionally).
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 12: 57
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Akim UA Today, 12: 18 ↑

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    because otherwise it does not happen

    Who said that. Friendship with Tanya does not forbid me to be with Ira.

    In the end, Tanya and Ira will raise the issue of the wedding. Have to choose someone hi
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 13: 03
    0
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    In the end, Tanya and Ira will raise the issue of the wedding.

    This is later, not now.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 13: 12
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Akim UA Today, 13: 03 ↑

    Quote: Semen Semenych
    In the end, Tanya and Ira will raise the issue of the wedding.

    This is later, not now.


    Yes, but in the mind is the choice already to mature? Or by chance, on the conjuncture? Who on Thursday will call the first one and the wife?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 13: 19
    -1
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Yes, but in the mind is the choice already to mature?

    Legislatively - European integration. But the law can always be changed.
  • alexng
    alexng 27 January 2014 13: 45
    0
    Yes, but there is one not weak point in the agreement that after signing the association agreement Ukraine does not have the right to join any other associations, and this is a complete break with Russia. How do you like such a twist euro-bred?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 14: 03
    0
    Quote: alexneg
    Yes, but there is one non-frail clause in the agreement that, after signing the association agreement, Ukraine does not have the right to join any other associations

    Once again I say - this is a lie. You even confuse association with the Union.
  • alexng
    alexng 28 January 2014 06: 24
    0
    That you bear a lie.
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  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 13: 54
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    This is later, not now

    now seems to be thought of in a completely different place, the brothers of both girls will come as a stick and
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 14: 06
    +1
    As Dima Gems said: You need to marry an orphan.
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 27 January 2014 13: 05
    +5
    Who said that. Friendship with Tanya does not forbid me to be with Ira.

    As a result, as a rule, neither Tanya nor Ira remains. laughingplus alimony to both fellow
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 13: 11
    -3
    Quote: Old Rocketman
    As a result, as a rule, neither Tanya nor Ira remains.

    Watching. how to maneuver.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 13: 27
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Old Rocketman
    As a result, as a rule, neither Tanya nor Ira remains.

    Watching. how to maneuver.


    You see, Akim, maneuver again. Is that a mentality already?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 13: 45
    0
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Is that a mentality already?

    This is life.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 13: 52
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Jolie will give you more

    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Is that a mentality already?

    Quote: Akim
    This is life.

    Guys, are you thumping something? Where you all went, maidan will flee from your comments wassat
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 14: 07
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    maidan will run away from your comments

    Ah, anyhow ...
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 27 January 2014 14: 24
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Guys, are you thumping something? Where did you all go

    I understand once a month I decided to turn around and immediately negative And here it’s just about women without boobs and nothing request Red Editor am wassat
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 14: 58
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Red Editor

    Yes, two-faced *****, you can call to put me in plain text and I will slap you a warning wassat
    But in general, there are a lot of comments there already, so I moved here, also for Ukraine and also on the topic.
    Only Akim's intimate desires scare laughing
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 15: 01
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Only Akim's intimate desires scare

    Those. straight people scare? Oh no no no.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 27 January 2014 15: 04
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Those. straight people scare

    Amputee-style addiction scares women laughing
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 15: 09
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    addiction to women in amputee style

    Now medicine is on the level. My grandfather, after the war, had no legs and two children somehow appeared.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 27 January 2014 15: 11
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    there was no leg and two children somehow appeared.

    Well, for this thing, legs aren’t a mandatory thing - unless of course you need to go to the neighboring village laughing
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 15: 17
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Well for this thing feet thing is optional

    Natural breasts too. repeat
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 27 January 2014 15: 21
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Natural breasts too.

    Move on what Looking at Pugacheva already and the rest is not necessary wassat
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 16: 30
    +3
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Looking at Pugacheva already and the rest is not necessary

    I am not Galkin. I don’t need a second mom.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 15: 28
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    My grandfather, after the war, had no legs and two children somehow appeared.

    Akim you will not believe, but children do not foot wassat
  • Basarev
    Basarev 27 January 2014 17: 12
    0
    A woman and a man are not at all the same thing, and these different concepts should not be confused.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 15: 10
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Those. straight people scare? Oh no no no.

    As far as I remember, Brad and Jolie said that they would not get married until gay marriage was legalized - this is the first.
    And secondly, there is so much silicone in Jolie that she is now not much different from a rubber doll from a pervert shop.
    Do you still have a desire to spend the evening with her? Or pay attention to a neighbor without deviations in the body and brain.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 15: 18
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Do you still have a desire to spend the evening with her? Or pay attention to a neighbor without deviations in the body and brain.

    It does not interfere.
  • atalef
    atalef 27 January 2014 15: 18
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And secondly, there is so much silicone in Jolie that she is now not much different from a rubber doll from a pervert shop. Do you still have a desire to spend the evening with her?

    Sorry I'm sorry I climbed. Either the power of persuasion is limping. whether I am weak. But he didn’t convince, perhaps Jolie wouldn’t refuse
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Or pay attention to a neighbor without deviations in the body and brain

    And from her the same. The truth is not important wassat
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 15: 26
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Jolie would not refuse

    Yes, your wife is 10 times better. Than this Jolie, maybe the men you and Farion are available laughing
    Quote: atalef
    And from her the same.

    Show this koment to your wife wink Then Igoryanich will tell me which end Sani had laughing
  • Basarev
    Basarev 27 January 2014 17: 15
    0
    As it’s not the main thing! Only a complete fool will allow a peasant to use himself as intended and to escape!
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 27 January 2014 17: 15
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Or pay attention to a neighbor

    But she turned out to be Verka Serduchka?
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 27 January 2014 15: 03
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    *, you can call to overlay me with plain text and I will slap you a warning

    Then you’ll take it off yourself request
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    , there are a lot of comments there already, so I moved here, also for Ukraine and also on the topic.

    Yes, right now, no matter where you go, and personally after my childhood spent in Ukraine, it simply tears me off without brakes And there is no end to this Our riot police would have flattened it - it’s not even that this fucking maidan wouldn’t be there from the government block garbage left
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 15: 12
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Then you’ll take it off yourself

    I don’t have this function for a long time. I set a warning for myself when checking the functions of the site, I forget everything about the boss (admin) to remove it laughing
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 27 January 2014 15: 14
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    .I set a warning for myself when checking the functions of the site

    Need to eat laughing
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 27 January 2014 17: 34
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Our riot police would be so flattened




    handsome men! Shelupon Bandera dispersed
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 20: 40
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Jolie will give you more

    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Is that a mentality already?

    Quote: Akim
    This is life.

    Guys, are you thumping something? Where you all went, maidan will flee from your comments wassat


    Is something embarrassing? Although thumping is not forbidden ...
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 January 2014 14: 04
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Watching. how to maneuver

    depending on what brothers Ira and Tanya have, or else, it’s necessary to dump them
  • Basarev
    Basarev 27 January 2014 17: 09
    0
    Looks like kidalovo (extension cord)
  • takto.onotak
    takto.onotak 27 January 2014 15: 34
    +1
    Probably because Tanya will NEVER be a friend of Ira, even if Ira is not against ...
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  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 15: 50
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Who said that. Friendship with Tanya does not forbid me to be with Ira.

    because the world is divided into global players and their spheres of influence ...
    where players clash, there are riots and wars, the example of Syria, and now Ukraine ...
    do you really think that someone will give the right to choose the object of world politics?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 16: 33
    0
    Quote: DanaF1
    do you really think that someone will give the right to choose the object of world politics?

    No. But it’s very troublesome to play in Ukraine. We have 4 more nuclear power plants.
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 17: 14
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    But it’s very troublesome to play in Ukraine. We still have 4 nuclear power plants.

    nda? and what will you do?
    "for evil to grandmother frostbite all ears", that is, blow them up or what?

    A nuclear power plant is not a nuclear weapon ... that you voluntarily abandoned ...
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 18: 51
    +1
    Quote: DanaF1
    A nuclear power plant is not a nuclear weapon ... that you voluntarily abandoned ...

    And thank God. But if radicals fall into power, they can do this, good for what (Rivne and Khmelnitsky nuclear power plants) Europe can become a lifeless desert for centuries.
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 19: 30
    0
    Quote: Akim
    But if radicals get power, they can do this, doing something good (Rovensky and Khmelnitsky NPPs)

    and nothing will happen ...
    since not only the EU will become a radioactive desert, but their own villages ...

    in addition, if they try, troops will certainly be sent there, because fuel elements can still be used to make a dirty bomb ...
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 19: 34
    +1
    Quote: DanaF1
    in addition, if they try, troops will certainly be sent there, because fuel elements can still be used to make a dirty bomb ...

    There are subdivisions of the "Scorpion" explosives, which have been ordered to shoot to kill. By the way, such an order has also been given to the military units of the Ministry of Defense.
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 19: 39
    0
    Well, there certainly will not be anything, do not worry ...
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 19: 51
    +1
    Quote: DanaF1
    Well, there certainly will not be anything, do not worry ...

    that is why Europe began to get nervous.
  • holderrr
    holderrr 27 January 2014 21: 09
    0
    Still need an army to guard the AES. Does Ukraine have it? I doubt it. And if there is an army, then its quality is like Ukrainian roads.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 21: 17
    +1
    Quote: holderrr
    Still need an army to guard AES

    for some reason, I have no doubt that you doubt it. Without even knowing that the nuclear power plants are guarded by internal troops.
  • Prutkov
    Prutkov 27 January 2014 17: 41
    +1
    Well, this is until Tanya finds you with Ira, one day :))
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 18: 52
    +1
    Quote: Rods
    until Tanya finds you with Ira, one day :))

    Everything is relative.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 27 January 2014 18: 25
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Friendship with Tanya does not forbid me to be with Ira.


    If Tanya and Ira do not get along, you still have to choose with whom to drink tea. If you do not want to be received from both at the time of a friendly feast.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 18: 53
    +1
    Quote: Botanologist
    If Tanya and Ira do not get along, you still have to choose with whom to drink tea

    This is the situation of the future. So far, Russia and the EU are getting along well.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 28 January 2014 00: 44
    +1
    Come on! Good Masha - yes wife Natasha!
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  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 12: 16
    +4
    Quote: Akim
    Why do you (yes all) oppose "either-or" or Russia or the EU?

    Because, any country either with those or with others. To sit on two chairs does not work Yanukovych is still a living example.
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 27 January 2014 12: 28
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Why do you (yes all) oppose "either-or" or Russia or the EU?


    because there is black and white, and the intermediate colors are homosexuality, to the question, and multi-vector.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 12: 43
    0
    Quote: seller trucks
    because there is black and white, and the intermediate colors are homosexuality

    Invalid comparison. A mixture of white and black gives a gray color, but not blue.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 27 January 2014 17: 23
    +1
    But gray and blue are almost the same thing, since both of them are intermediate colors. In this sense, they are complete synonyms.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 18: 56
    +1
    Quote: Basarev
    After all, both of them are intermediate colors. In this sense, they are complete synonyms.

    It is named that the intermediate color, but not the same, if you are not color blind.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 27 January 2014 12: 40
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Why do you (yes all) oppose "either-or" or Russia or the EU?

    Hello Akim! "European integration", as events showed, was only a stumbling block, a "catch" skillfully provided by the authorities to fascist radicals ...
    ON THE SIDE of her, at least for a while, since she is not "alive".

    At stake is the EXISTENCE of Ukraine, as a single state, and IT needs to be talked about.

    The time to breed snot about democracy has already passed ...
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 12: 49
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    The time to breed snot about democracy has already passed ...

    I agree. Only this question and the requirement for our politicians.
  • alex-s
    alex-s 27 January 2014 13: 24
    +5
    Only this question and the requirement for our politicians.

    It seems that in Ukraine there are no normal politicians - only muDaki !!!
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 13: 46
    +1
    Quote: alex-s
    that in Ukraine there were no normal politicians

    A plus.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 12: 19
    +4
    I understand your desire for a better life, I myself do not mind))) BUT ... How will it come from the association? You are not a stupid person. Europe for Ukraine, like a carrot in front of a donkey, if only they could show where they are. And we offer real cooperation and capacity utilization. Is this not an increase in pensions and salaries? Deal with your crooks. Ukraine is a self-sufficient state with a developed (so far) industry and agriculture, and together we can do a lot. There are plenty of swindlers and us, but there are considerable shifts. Regards hi
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 12: 33
      -4
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
      .A we offer real cooperation and capacity utilization.

      And what prevents this from signing an association? What prevents building airplanes together with Russia and selling Ukrainian refrigerators to Europe?
    2. Galinanp
      Galinanp 27 January 2014 12: 57
      +8
      Akim UA Today, 12:33 PM
      Sorry, I interfere in the debate, but the EU said that in association with the EU, Ukraine should not conclude any agreements with the CU, i.e. with Russia.
    3. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 13: 05
      -4
      Quote: GalinaNP
      in association with the EU, it is unacceptable for Ukraine to conclude any agreements with the CU, i.e. with Russia.

      It's a lie. In association with the EU, they said that ENTRY into the CU is not possible.
    4. Galinanp
      Galinanp 27 January 2014 13: 17
      +2
      Akim UA Today, 13:05 PM
      It's a lie. In association with the EU, they said that ENTRY into the CU is not possible.

      No, not a lie. It was a comment by one of the European officials on Azarov’s statement that Ukraine could very well, after signing the association protocol with the EU, agree to sign a limited agreement with the CU, thus becoming a kind of bridge between Russia and the EU.
    5. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 13: 48
      -1
      Quote: GalinaNP
      to the statement of Azarov that Ukraine may well, after signing the association protocol with the EU, agree to sign a limited package of agreement with the CU

      Uh, don't confuse. Azarov said about the partial adoption of the provisions of T C. Agreement - this is something else.
    6. Galinanp
      Galinanp 27 January 2014 14: 05
      +1
      Akim UA Today, 13:48 PM
      Uh, don't confuse. Azarov said about the partial adoption of the provisions of T C. Agreement - this is something else

      So, it was precisely in the comment of the European governor that it was sounded- absolutely unacceptable in association with the EU absolutely no agreements with the CU, even radically truncated.
    7. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 14: 13
      -2
      Lack of provisions does not interfere with trade. In general, what are we arguing about? The agreement is being finalized.
    8. Galinanp
      Galinanp 27 January 2014 16: 09
      0
      Akim UA Today, 14:13 PM
      Cons are not from me.
  • Nikolaitch
    Nikolaitch 31 January 2014 02: 27
    0
    Akim, here many flatter you, they say that he is not a stupid person and all that ... On the fingers, examples with Tanya, Irami explain ... Yes, how much can you explain!
    The more you talk about family and other values, and he looks to the left.
    You are not created Akim, you see for the family, and Ukraine is not created for the independent state. Dragonfly Bouncer request laughing Life is a constant choice! angry And we only dream of a compromise.
    Yes, and normal politicians where to come from, in the same place you really need to work up a sweat, and not catch a freebie hi
  • Akim
    Akim 31 January 2014 10: 57
    0
    Quote: Nikolaich
    The more you talk about family and other values, and he looks to the left.

    Here the question is not "about the left". Isn't friendship with a woman supposed to be reduced only to a horizontal plane? Also in international relations. There is no such situation now when you have to choose between two unions.
    Life is a choice. And this choice can be made when there is a mono-society in the country or there is a dominant. And with us, about 50/50. Therefore, Ukraine goes its own way.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 13: 04
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Akim UA Today, 12: 33 ↑

    Quote: Semen Semenych
    .A we offer real cooperation and capacity utilization.

    And what prevents this from signing an association? What prevents building airplanes together with Russia and selling Ukrainian refrigerators to Europe?


    Is there tension with refrigerators in the EU? Rather, if it is qualitatively and inexpensively, in Russia they have a much better chance, especially in the outback, where Boshes and Siemens can not afford.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 13: 13
    -1
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Is there tension with refrigerators in the EU?

    This is the first thing that came to mind. A good fridge for little money and will be appreciated there.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 13: 32
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Akim UA Today, 13: 13 ↑

    Quote: Semen Semenych
    Is there tension with refrigerators in the EU?

    This is the first thing that came to mind. A good fridge for little money and will be appreciated there.


    Do not build castles in the air. Europe itself is overstocked by no means indulge. Crisis of overproduction, familiar for sure?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 13: 51
    -2
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Europe itself is overstocked by no means indulge.

    At the same time, a third of Ukrainian exports go to Europe.
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 27 January 2014 19: 04
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Europe itself is overstocked by no means indulge.

    In this case, third Ukrainian exports go to Europe.

    Why then do you need an association?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 19: 07
    0
    Quote: Pushkar
    Why then do you need an association?

    Personally to me? So that the laws are correct, so that the rules as well. Well, etc.
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  • Corsair
    Corsair 27 January 2014 14: 11
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    This is the first thing that came to mind. A good fridge for little money and will be appreciated there.

    Have you decided to "compete" with the Chinese?
    Well, yes-ah, in the context of what is happening and the economic situation in general in the country, the economy "will jump from a low start", well, very LOW ...
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 13: 56
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Akim UA Today, 12: 33 ↑

    Quote: Semen Semenych
    .A we offer real cooperation and capacity utilization.

    And what prevents this from signing an association? What prevents building airplanes together with Russia and selling Ukrainian refrigerators to Europe?


    We need guarantees from scammers, i.e. full entry into the vehicle. The EU wants exactly the same.
  • kris
    kris 27 January 2014 13: 59
    +3
    About three nights on the flagpole near the Sevastopol State Administration, the Russian flag was hoisted.

    This was done by people who gathered in the city center because of reports of the possibility of an assault by the Ukrainian opposition SSGA.

    Representatives of the SSGA discouraged residents of Sevastopol from hoisting the flag of the Russian Federation, but officials did not listen.

    However, by the beginning of the working day, the banner of Russia from the flagpole had already disappeared.
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 15: 55
    0
    Quote: kris
    About three nights on the flagpole near the Sevastopol State Administration, the Russian flag was hoisted.

    Sevastopol now along the way will remember that it is a city of federal subordination ...
  • kris
    kris 27 January 2014 16: 28
    +1
    Three mudila in January
    On the Maidan by the moon
    Howling like jackals
    They ask for outside help.
    The snow-white ass of Europe,
    Licked to clean
    They ask, they pray: “Help,
    We are yours, we are ours!
    We are the people and Ukraine
    We will give you a gift!
    And when it all calms down
    We will quietly run away!
    It's not scary to walk in lackeys
    After all, they pay us for it!
    I'm for euro, damn it, currency,
    I’ll sell my soul to the devil!
    In the lackeys it is calmer
    With the euro you can not suffer
    And what will happen to Ukraine,
    We sneeze and don't give a damn! ”
    Three mudila in January
    On the Maidan with the moon
    Surrendered to Nenko Ukraine
    For currency, for UE!
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 14: 14
    -1
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    We need guarantees from scammers, i.e. full entry into the vehicle

    That's bullshit. Bombardier airlines buy without it.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 20: 44
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    We need guarantees from scammers, i.e. full entry into the vehicle

    That's bullshit. Bombardier airlines buy without it.

    Bombardiers do not change decisions and agreements 7 times a week.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 20: 53
    0
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Bombardiers do not change decisions and agreements 7 times a week.

    ??? Remind me when it was with Ukrainian companies?
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 11: 24
    +3
    Akim, and you are not so rabid Russophobe, as it might have seemed from your earlier comments. Tricky question:
    Quote: Akim
    Yanukovych betrayed us! He betrayed the army., The police, betrayed the southeast. Betrayed for his babosy in the West. Shame on him - let him go.


    And who instead?
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 11: 33
      +1
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
      And who instead?

      I don’t know yet.
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
      Akim, and you are not so rabid Russophobe, as it might have seemed from your earlier comments. Tricky question:

      And I have never been. They invented themselves.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 11: 42
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        I don’t know yet.


        So, "let him go" - is that now and immediately? Or until the end of the term and in a democratic way?
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 11: 48
          +1
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          So, "let him go" is it now and immediately?

          Fast - these are just cats born. Didn't say TOMORROW.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 12: 26
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            So, "let him go" is it now and immediately?

            Fast - these are just cats born. Didn't say TOMORROW.


            Hamsters are faster ...
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: Semen Semenych
        Akim, and you are not so rabid Russophobe, as it might have seemed from your earlier comments. Tricky question:

        And I have never been. They invented themselves.


        I’ve been on this site for about 5 years (maybe more, I just haven’t registered), and I have an idea of ​​all the personalities that interest me. I always read your posts with pleasure, your point of view was clear as a stump (just kidding). I saw that it was pointless to convince you of something, and the attempts of some (many) to do this made me feel tender. Many did not understand that you were trolling them).
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 27 January 2014 12: 48
        -1
        Quote: Akim
        I don’t know yet.

        I look, you are changing your attitude towards Yanukovych ...
        More recently, your rhetoric about him was somewhat different.

        It looks like prostitution, or rather, its "free" form ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 12: 59
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          I look, you are changing your attitude towards Yanukovych ...
          More recently, your rhetoric about him was slightly different

          Yes, I'm changing. The situation in the country was different. And he can’t cope with her. That disappointed even more.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 27 January 2014 13: 11
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Yes, I'm changing. The situation in the country was different. And he can’t cope with her. That disappointed even more.

            And who are you "betting on" now, not on MAKAROV for an hour? (Something I haven't heard this name for a long time ... wink )
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 13: 22
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              (something a long time ago did not hear this name ..

              Markov. And you have not heard, because you are not in Odessa and you do not have ATV. Stopudovo is not him.
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 27 January 2014 13: 39
              0
              Quote: Akim
              Markov.

              Yes, yes, Markov, I'm sorry ...
        2. Tamparu
          Tamparu 27 January 2014 14: 03
          0
          Quote: Akim


          Yes, I'm changing. The situation in the country was different. And he can’t cope with her. That disappointed even more.

          The situation was all the time, only it was shrinking for a long time and was already shrunk completely.
          Question. And at what distance does the damper stand to slow down a bit ?! And is he at all?
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        4. Basarev
          Basarev 27 January 2014 17: 34
          0
          But I once quite seriously considered Yanukovych a pro-Russian ruler ...
  • Nevsky_ZU
    27 January 2014 14: 35
    +2
    Akim, and you turn out to be not such a frantic Russophobe, as it might have seemed from your earlier comments.


    Akim a normal person in principle. I know such "centrists" from my university studies. They are patriotic statesmen, they are equally worried about all the lands of Ukraine, be it Galicia or Donbass. Their golden time was when the era of Kuchma was. But there are 2 problems:

    1. Beginning in 2004, the "centrists" began to melt before our eyes, shifting either to the right or, but less often to the left. Typical centrists of that time: Marchuk, Smeshko and a whole galaxy of politicians of the 90s. If they had not disappeared, then perhaps I would never even have written such articles. The era of Kuchma impressed me completely. The Nazis did not climb beyond Lviv at night. There were no branches in eastern Ukraine. And the textbooks on the history of Ukraine in the 90s were a compromise, although they contained a fairy tale about the "bad" and "good" Banderaites.

    2. The patriotism of the "centrists" towards the state can also go over to nationalism, but very rarely to the left vector, and even more so never to the pro-Russian one. Centrists live most often in South-Eastern Ukraine. They are characterized by the phrase: "I am not a supporter of the Banderaites, but if they poke their heads here in Donetsk, I will break their horns, but I will also answer Russia if it comes" to collect land. "

    Most centrists are middle and slightly older. They met independence at a young age. And therefore they equally care for Soviet veterans and the aspirations of the Ukrainian people for independence. The old generation, which could lead to an alliance with the Russian Federation, left the game at the turn of 2000. If you remember, then Vitrenko and Simonenko then set the tone for a Ukrainian. politics.

    Today it was Akimov’s turn to go to the dustbin of history, their tolerance and patriotism towards the state in the broad sense of the word: science, space, industry and the army — who do not need on the Maidan

    Now the ball is ruled by the union of consumers (the dream of the EU and a visa-free regime) and nationalists (what kind of space and technology? This is the lot of the Finno-Finnish lapotnik, we have one religion and language)
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 14: 44
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      I know such "centrists" from my university studies.

      we are not familiar? drinks Just described me.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        27 January 2014 15: 46
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        I know such "centrists" from my university studies.

        we are not familiar? drinks Just described me.


        No. I just studied at the Faculty of History and Law in 2003-2008. There I had 2 friends of the same age, one pro-Russian, but of Bulgarian nationality, the other "centrist" - Ukrainian, but although I was Russian, I was sick with "liberalism." Now add teachers of different age groups and different beliefs here. Each lecture or seminar is a whole cross section of the views of smart and educated people. Sometimes it came to the point of absurdity, teachers with Russian surnames and ages of 45, were concerned about the UPA and the EU, and teachers with Ukrainian surnames of the same age, with the condemnation of the UPA and a normal attitude towards the USSR. Plus, do not forget about young personnel, who in most cases, without any grants, in the mainstream style, defended the ideals of the West. The order was only in the philological faculties. There, if a teacher of Russian language and literature, then he is certainly not a supporter of the UPA, but Ukrainian, respectively. Those. there was a front line for linguists. As for you Akim, we had a civil defense lecturer, a stern man with a Ukrainian surname, proudly spoke about the Ukrainian and old Soviet army, and also condemned the UPA. I think he matched 93% of your look. Then he was 55.

        But as I already said, unfortunately, after Kuchma left, the "centrists" became thinner than the layer of butter on a sandwich in Ukrainian society. Nationalists and liberal consumers began to dominate (Thank God I woke up 3 years ago from the liberal mollaria) And the left and about the Russian sector diminished not as much as you are "centrists", but also very significantly.
      2. 120352
        120352 27 January 2014 18: 00
        0
        Akim, before it gets wet, take a towel!
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 27 January 2014 17: 38
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      but I will also answer Russia if I come to "collect the land"

      However, Ukraine is Russia. Very many - I will not point a finger - unconsciously or knowingly lie to themselves first and foremost, saying that these are different concepts.
  • RBLip
    RBLip 27 January 2014 11: 26
    +4
    Quote: Akim
    I am now for signing the association

    that is, the hope of this is not dead?
    such kind aunt / uncle will come and feed all Ukraine? pictured nuland. good american aunt.
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 11: 37
      0
      Quote: RBLip
      that is, the hope of this is not dead?

      Man lives reliable. I don’t want to comment on the rest.
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 27 January 2014 11: 55
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        I don’t want to comment on the rest.

        why? What am I wrong about? or
        Quote: Akim
        What about Albania? Better not to live, but worse too.

        Is this the ultimate dream? those. it is better to clean Avno for pshek than with Russia?
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 12: 11
          0
          Quote: RBLip
          those. it is better to clean Avno for pshek than with Russia?

          That's why I do not want to comment, because you have a limited worldview.
          1. RBLip
            RBLip 27 January 2014 12: 19
            +3
            Quote: Akim
            That's why I do not want to comment, because you have a limited worldview.

            Well there is no way. you know, you are a symbol of today's Ukraine. the desire to sit on two chairs of the majority of Ukrainians has already led to the Maidan. hasn't the moment of determining the shore come yet? yes, about the worldview. if it does not match yours, then it is immediately limited? so how do you differ from ukrofashists who declare all those who disagree with their point of view traitors, "titushki", and so on. etc.?
            1. kris
              kris 27 January 2014 12: 27
              -4
              Quote: RBLip
              who declare all those who disagree with their point of view traitors, "titushki", etc. etc.?

              Uniforms have the same policies. Only all those who disagree with their point of view are declared leberasts and swamps!
              STRANGE COINCIDENCE !
            2. seller trucks
              seller trucks 27 January 2014 12: 46
              -1
              Quote: kris
              Uniforms have the same policies. Only all those who disagree with their point of view are declared leberasts and swamps!


              Well, Duc, on the Maidan, what stops you, forward to the barricades or sykatno?
            3. kris
              kris 27 January 2014 13: 08
              -1
              Quote: seller trucks
              Well, Duc, on the Maidan, what stops you, forward to the barricades or sykatno?

              why aren't you on anti-Maidan?
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          3. RBLip
            RBLip 27 January 2014 12: 49
            +4
            debatable. Edryants, of course, are parasites. but the liberals are a complete HS. and the faces there are the same. Do you really think that these people have a different point of view from the opinion of the State Department or a mental hospital.
          4. kris
            kris 27 January 2014 13: 12
            +2
            Quote: RBLip
            debatable. Edryants, of course, are parasites. but the liberals are a complete HS. and the faces there are the same. Do you really think that these people have a different point of view from the opinion of the State Department or a mental hospital.

            I do not shout approval at the great pu, but all these German-bulk-Sobchak faces are no less disgusting. Because I believe that they feed from one trough!
            why then do they label me a liberalist?
          5. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 13: 42
            0
            Quote: kris
            kris (8) RU Today, 13: 12 ↑

            Quote: RBLip
            debatable. Edryants, of course, are parasites. but the liberals are a complete HS. and the faces there are the same. Do you really think that these people have a different point of view from the opinion of the State Department or a mental hospital.

            I do not shout approval at the great pu, but all these German-bulk-Sobchak faces are no less disgusting. Because I believe that they feed from one trough!
            why then do they label me a liberalist?


            By definition, they cannot feed from one feeder. They just pushed some away from the trough, and they, like pigeons (not of the world, but which everyone observes ...) feed from the hands of the State Department. Although both of them, in the first place, take care of their pockets. But the former do not even look into the State Department’s mouth.
          6. CALL.
            CALL. 27 January 2014 18: 56
            +1
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            By definition, they cannot feed from one feeder.

            Yes, they feed not from one feeding trough. The feeders are different. But their sources are definitely not Russian.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 12: 35
    0
    Quote: RBLip
    You are directly a symbol of today's Ukraine. the desire to sit on two chairs of most Ukrainians has already led to the Maidan. Has the moment of determining the coast not yet come?

    Here we have such a country assembled in parts. Therefore, two chairs are needed.
  • RBLip
    RBLip 27 January 2014 12: 40
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Therefore, two chairs are needed.

    the chairs moved in different directions. total?
  • Akim
    Akim 27 January 2014 12: 51
    +1
    Quote: RBLip
    the chairs moved in different directions. total?

    Place a jumper between them. Like in a barracks, stools are knocked down and shops are made.
  • RBLip
    RBLip 27 January 2014 13: 04
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Place a jumper between them. Like in a barracks, stools are knocked down and shops are made.

    all this would be funny if it were not so sad. I wish Ukraine only good, but recent events show that Ukrainians themselves put so different concepts into the word good that they take the hell out of it.
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  • Corsair
    Corsair 27 January 2014 13: 14
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Man lives reliable. I don’t want to comment on the rest.

    So as not to "tear your heart", just do fresh and truthful "information stuffing" from the places (in your case Odessa and the region) ...

    HOW there now ???
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 13: 24
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      HOW there now ???

      It's quiet today. And yesterday there was Maidan (600 people) and AniMaydan (1,5 thousand).
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 27 January 2014 13: 34
        0
        Quote: Akim
        And yesterday there was Maidan (600 people) and AniMaydan (1,5 thousand).
        Probably COLD? As I was informed from Donbass, rallies in support of the legal power held in small towns were not very numerous and long because of severe frosts ...

        And as I was informed, labor collectives are delivering to each other centrally in Donetsk, replacing each other.

        In particular, tonight in 4 th shift, which CANCELED(extraordinary event), the "delivery" of workers of the mine "Shakhtyorskaya-Glubokaya" P / O "Shakhterskantratsit" was carried out ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 13: 53
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          Probably COLD? As I was informed from Donbass, rallies in support of the legal power held in small towns were not very numerous and long because of severe frosts ...

          Now in Odessa-8. It's like in Donetsk -30, because the wind is from the sea.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 27 January 2014 14: 28
          0
          Quote: Akim
          It's like in Donetsk -30-t, because the wind is from the sea.

          The east wind from the Salsk steppes gives the Donbass "shit" no worse than the sea ...
        3. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 14: 37
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          The east wind from the Salsk steppes gives the Donbass "shit" no worse than the sea ...

          And the Donetsk ridge. Do not tell me. In a cadet overcoat, in severe frost, Donetsk is warmer than in an officer coat, with minus three in Odessa.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 27 January 2014 13: 44
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Man lives reliable. I don’t want to comment on the rest.

    And I COMMENT ...

    With regard to the scandalous picture, the Euromaidan press service made its explanations.
    In particular, it indicates that the identified and exposed "titushka" who made her way into the ranks of the activists under the guise of a quite decent Eurominetwoman, in order to provocate, vilely used a poster prepared for the opposition leaders, who at that time were negotiating with Yanukovych on fulfilling the demands of the protesters ...
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 27 January 2014 18: 10
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      vilely used the poster prepared for the opposition leaders ...

      Did I understand you correctly that with this poster there should have been a trinity headed by Klitschko opposite the Berkut? wink
  • Basarev
    Basarev 27 January 2014 17: 41
    0
    In fact, a person lives by deed and will, but not hope at all.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 27 January 2014 12: 38
    0
    Quote: Akim

    I am now for signing the association (I emphasize the Association!) With the European Union under normal conditions

    Only the EU somehow does not insist on such conditions.
  • CALL.
    CALL. 27 January 2014 12: 55
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    I am now for signing the association (I emphasize the Association!) With the European Union on normal conditions.

    Yanukovych requested $ 150 billion from Europe for signing the association. And the Europeans were stunned by such impudence, offered him $ 1 billion. That is why he rushed to Moscow. Then get the Maidan and sign. At one time, when Poland joined the EU, it was found $ 160 billion. Yanukovych hoped that he would be given. Here's a political portrait of modern Mazepa.
    There are many interesting things, including about mysterious snipers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcuES3PCzo4
  • SIBUR-DV
    SIBUR-DV 27 January 2014 14: 38
    0
    It has long been clear that there can be no normal association for UKRAINE. For Europe, this is the market for their GMO products, and for Ukraine, the closure of sectoral budget-forming enterprises. But liberals will moan sweetly, we are EUROPEAN.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 09: 36
    +7
    Quote: Akim
    Shame on him - let him go.

    Yes, right, get Yanukovych, give Klitschko as president. Mustache in Europe laughing
    1. zzz
      zzz 27 January 2014 09: 49
      +14
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yes, right, get Yanukovych, give Klitschko as president. Mustache in Europe



      When God wants to punish the people - he robs his mind ....
    2. major071
      major071 27 January 2014 09: 57
      +13
      Alexander Romanov
      Yes, right, get Yanukovych, give Klitschko as president. Mustache in Europe laughing

      Leader Klitschko! Go to Europe! laughing
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 11: 46
        +2
        Quote: major071
        Leader Klitschko! Go to Europe! laughing



        If he were the Leader. Oranges will not be born from aspen. He is an ordinary pawn in the game of the West, besides, it looks like waste material. The West has one hope, that woman who with a scythe ...
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  • kris
    kris 27 January 2014 11: 17
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Yanukovych betrayed us! He betrayed the army., The police, betrayed the southeast. Betrayed for his babosy in the West. Shame on him - let him go.

    1. Yanukovosch is an ordinary lackey put by oligarchs. And with his ugly behavior, he set the whole country against himself. The system of corruption lawlessness reached its peak. Officials and hucksters, generals and prosecutors stuffed their pockets.
    The formula "WHO HAS MORE MONEY AND RIGHTS" has become decisive in the country.
    Garbage discredited itself (Google to the rescue) by constant scandals and complete lawlessness.
    2. Many hucksters who thrived with pimples and yulka began to actively milk.
    3. The replay with outright fascists continued.
    These 3 factors have led to what we see now.
    But what is surprising is that neither the Ukrainian government mass media nor the Russian speak about the first 2 paragraph, carefully hushing them.
    Instead, they try to blame everything on external forces, which of course play a role, but not as much as they are attributed.
    Bandera and their Western partners only cleverly took advantage of the situation that Yanukovosch created in the country.
    It becomes scary when you realize that Russia has created the same corruption-infinite system, actively guarded by garbage, which has been actively cherished in recent years. (BB rearmament as the army only dreams + increase in salaries for police officers)
    But Putin more harshly squeezed the property in favor of "his" hucksters.
    And any real (not circus-swamp) creep on power is actively suppressed.
    Plus, the presence of a controlled "opposition" in the Duma and a pseudo-free, but also controlled by the Kremlin, swamp pack, will allow the disaffected to control the "steam release".
    But no matter what, more and more people begin to realize that they are being deceived.
    And if the power in Russia does not turn to face people, then events await us, in comparison with which the euromaidan will seem like a childish prank.
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 27 January 2014 11: 25
    0
    We do not know everything. We don’t even know half, even parts.

    The actions of Yanyk and Russia in recent years indicate that no refusal of a strategic goal to defend oneself, to unite, to completely defeat the enemy ... there is no question of abandoning these goals and can’t go anymore. For in the event of surrender, the surrender and their family will face inevitable physical destruction.

    The Ukrainian government plays with the opposition in a giveaway.
    The opposition is a shell in front of the security forces. It’s like a punks that a city hooligan released to a respectable citizen in order to convince a citizen to JUST retaliatory actions and having a reason to stand up for a punks, taunt and rob a citizen.

    But Yanyk himself was a gopnik and knows such techniques very well. The only way to resist is to play for time, handing over the mole, and wait until the police patrol or their "korefans" are ready, or / and until the situation changes. Kutuzov also surrendered Moscow, don't forget. And the Russian army ended up in Paris.

    Now all the singers of the "city hooligan" (and just stupid citizens) will push Yanyk to take forceful actions, and not getting them will accuse him of weakness, venality, and surrender of the interests of the people. You should know, everyone who says this, who writes that, is conscious, or out of their stupidity, sixes and singers of the United States and the EU on the information front, in the war against Russian civilization.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 12: 35
      0
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov UA Today, 11:25 ↑

      We do not know everything. We don’t even know half, even parts.


      Such an option is quite possible ...
      1. 222222
        222222 27 January 2014 13: 19
        +2
        “Checkmate and checkmate to the Russian people in Ukraine?” ... Or maybe the royal gambit from Russian civilization?
  • Prutkov
    Prutkov 27 January 2014 17: 28
    0
    Akim. And who will take his place? Klitschko? And then he will say: "Oops ... It didn't work out!" He will board a plane and fly to America like Saakashvili. Or Senya the rabbit? He, in general, cries from a simple "fak". Or the Fuhrer Tyagnibok? It was they, together with Yanyk, who rocked the situation. What prevented the referendum on European integration from being held in the summer, as the communists proposed to do? Who banned this referendum through the courts? Yanyk? Why didn't the laws on the prosecutor's office and the independence of judges be adopted, as the EU demanded? Did Yanyk also interfere? The fact that Yanyk is a bandit is not news to anyone. The guys from the EU use this when they "persuade" him to join the EU. And now they no longer control the situation. The question is what will happen next. When these guys come to power. And no one doubts this. First, they, like real democrats, will have to "punish" Berkut, and then try to pacify the radicals, but now without the Berkut. Do you really think that some "people's militia" will be able to pacify these gangs. Read something about the 1917 revolution. By the way, the slogans today sound the same: "All power is glad (advice)!" What's next? Again the Great October Revolution?
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 19: 00
      0
      Quote: Rods
      Akim. And who will come in his place?

      I say I DO NOT KNOW! Not now, of course he must leave, the horses at the crossing do not change. But must. So let it go right.
    2. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 19: 57
      0
      Quote: Rods
      Akim. And who will come in his place?

      Not all is lost yet
      Ukrainians transferred almost a million hryvnias for the treatment of injured law enforcement officers
      http://podrobnosti.ua/society/2014/01/27/955465.html
  • dr.star75
    dr.star75 27 January 2014 18: 13
    0
    Joke. The Ukrainian enters the compartment, and there are 3 blacks sitting there. "Lads, did you break up the Maidan?"
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 27 January 2014 18: 58
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Yanukovych betrayed us! He betrayed the army., The police, betrayed the southeast. Betrayed for his babosy in the West. Shame on him - let him go.

    Akim. In the spring, I asked a question about how you would behave if the west, which had crushed the authorities, wanted to force the east to obey by force of arms (it’s clear that then they would repress everyone who resisted) and Russia would intervene in the conflict in order to protect the population of these regions. Then you answered that like any aggressor who violated the country's border. I am very interested in how your opinion has evolved because you deserve respect for your principled position. Then my question seemed provocative to you.
    Regards, Ivan.
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 19: 11
      0
      Quote: Ivan.
      Then you answered that like any aggressor who violated the country's border

      And now I will answer as well. Ukraine is not a colony. Let not the subject of international politics. These stupid Americans can offer in their forums: Let's introduce troops to Ukraine. Or the Croats think that NATO can close the skies over Ukraine. Figs to them all.
  • alone
    alone 27 January 2014 20: 00
    0
    Preferably in the prison! So that it would be another lesson how to rob your people!
  • user
    user 27 January 2014 09: 31
    +4
    You know, I am a peaceful person, but after what was done to us in the 90s, it will happen in our country such a development of events will take up the machine. Hiding behind slogans and ideas about freedom, equality, fraternity, power merges Ukraine.
    And that the most interesting such development of events suits everyone - the USA, the EU, Russia. And this despite the fact that everyone has their own interests. The winners are all but the people of Ukraine.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 27 January 2014 10: 39
      +4
      Quote: user
      we will have such a development of events I will take up the machine.


      what prevented you from doing this in the Swamp? you are indecisive or cunning .....

      Quote: user
      slogans and ideas about freedom, equality, fraternity


      As an excursion, this is the Masonic slogan "The Grand Orient of France"

      power merges Ukraine.


      Do you have any ideas?

      Quote: user
      such a development suits everyone - the USA, the EU, Russia.


      What is the benefit of Russia? hot spot near its borders?
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 27 January 2014 13: 54
        0
        In my opinion, you misunderstood him. He was about to take an assault rifle in defense against a coup. Or I'm wrong?
  • operrus
    operrus 27 January 2014 11: 22
    +2
    Yanukovych has imperious impotence, it’s called I want but I can’t (I’m afraid) money in the West. I think the moment when it was possible to solve the situation by force - this is when the Golden Eagle began to be burned, then everyone was shocked by what was happening. Now we need very quick and decisive action, time is now working against the government, although perhaps the Maidan people have already prepared weapons and the dispersal will start firing, and there is a division of Ukraine with the civil war, but now it’s disgusting to look at what is happening.
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  • Canep
    Canep 27 January 2014 08: 17
    +9
    The map looks like a war map. A power scenario is possible, but there is a possibility of a civil war according to the Syrian scenario. Another question, is Yanukovych enough authority to get support from the troops? If he kept the army on a starvation diet, then they won’t follow him, I don’t know how he fed the army. The most likely scenario is the partition of Ukraine, and territorial wars along the border.
    1. borisjdin1957
      borisjdin1957 27 January 2014 08: 42
      +5
      from the Don.
      What army? 90 thousand, 1-year employees, boys?
      1. oracul
        oracul 27 January 2014 09: 01
        +8
        It’s not even confusing the size of the army, but the statements of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine that they will not participate in the dispersal of the Maydan.
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 09: 04
          -3
          Quote: oracul
          and statements by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine that they will not participate in the dispersal of the Maydan.

          The army, according to the Constitution, has no right to interfere in internal conflicts.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 09: 06
            +10
            Quote: Akim

            The army, according to the Constitution, has no right to interfere in internal conflicts.

            Until an emergency is introduced in the camp or a civil war begins.
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 09: 12
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Until an emergency is introduced in the camp or a civil war begins.

              Anyway. Do not touch the army. Yanyk already has enough strength. But there is no decisiveness.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 09: 28
                +14
                Quote: Akim
                Anyway. Do not touch the army.

                Yes, I’m touching it, you Akim wanted to go to the EU at one time, well, he himself came to you in Ukraine. Flowers, meet champagne wink
                1. Akim
                  Akim 27 January 2014 09: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  , you Akim once wanted in the EU, n

                  Sasha, I’m going to have a debut now ... When did I want to go to the EU?
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 09: 54
                    +4
                    Quote: Akim
                    Sasha, I’m going to get you a deb ...

                    Call me, I’m not offended, I speak for the association and, but I write for a long time and just write the EU. Although you get the point.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 27 January 2014 10: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      but I’m writing for a long time and I’m just writing the EU. Although you get the point.

                      I realized that you and I have been talking for a long time, but others will read it and ...
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 10: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: Akim
                      but others will read and ...

                      Oh well, they’ll be in the bathhouse, all right now in the evening another Bandera will come and pour a bunch of manure on me and on you, at least specify, at leastlaughing
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 27 January 2014 12: 56
              0
              Quote: Akim
              Yanyk already has enough strength.

              With such "decisiveness", Yanuca may soon be left with the fascists "One on One" ...
            3. 222222
              222222 27 January 2014 13: 30
              +1
              two cases from the life of the most democratic:
              1 In 1962, the United States was rocked by a wave of riots ... "Kennedy was forced to bring in an army of 30 to restore order, and previously about 5 black soldiers were separated from the rest of the troops that were supposed to be sent to Mississippi. The mutiny lasted about 14 hours As a result, two people died, 375 were wounded.An interesting fact is that to suppress the rebellion inside the United States, it took 30 thousand military contingent, which was twice the number of American troops stationed at that time in Korea, and six times the number of the American military contingent in West Berlin. This conflict did not receive wide publicity in the press, since it was believed that the topic was delicate and special attention to it could lead to further undesirable consequences ... "
              2. "1992 - Bloody events in Los Angeles in April-May. In addition to the police and the National Guard, units of the army and marines took part in restoring order." ...
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 January 2014 09: 20
            +8
            Then the author mentioned about Russian communities in Pskov, for him it seems to be something out of the ordinary, and in fact we will soon create Russian communities in our cities. And we already have them, albeit clandestinely. So that...
            Hi Sasha!
            And about the fact that Russia oppressed Ukraine. It really got on edge. In such momentary disputes only spoil your nerves. As long as the state has no policy and balanced position on this issue, there is nothing to talk about. Now Ukraine has a clear position, and therefore this monstrous theory wins ....
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 09: 32
              +11
              Quote: klimpopov
              . Now Ukraine has a clear position, and therefore this monstrous theory wins ....

              So for 23 years Russia is to blame for all the troubles that you want from them. The brains are washed so that I wonder why Chikatilo was not declared an innocent victim of the CPSU.
              Hi Klim, is that you yourself on the avatar? bully
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 27 January 2014 09: 38
                +8
                Yes after the weekend. wassat
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 09: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Yes after the weekend.

                  It’s you, I saw a new Lada model laughing
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 27 January 2014 10: 13
                    +3
                    I have recently been looking at everything that happens constantly with such an expression on my face.
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 10: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: klimpopov
                    I have recently been looking at everything that happens constantly with such an expression on my face.

                    Klim, write down a way to improve your body.
                    1. Throw out the TV.
                    2. Throw out the comp.
                    3. Go to taiga to the wilderness. Only there probably, when there is no TV, Internet, phones, receipts for communal services and everything else, a person can really become happy and free in spirit.
                    Settle yourself, send SMS via pigeon mail wink
                  3. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 27 January 2014 11: 36
                    +2
                    I have long thought to go to the mountains. Although there is also not calm. All bearded. Maybe in Karelia?
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 27 January 2014 09: 36
          +10
          Quote: klimpopov
          Now Ukraine has a clear position, and therefore this monstrous theory wins.

          Complement-On September 4 of the past year, Viktor Yanukovych convened the first congress of his political party in three years, gathering its members in the old Zoryany cinema of the Soviet era. For three hours, Yanukovych cajoled and frightened everyone who sought closer ties between Ukraine and Russia. A handful of deputies from the Party of Regions complained that their enterprises in the Russian-speaking East of Ukraine would suffer if Yanukovych did not agree to closer relations with Russia. It got him started. “Forget it ... forever!” He shouted at them, the people who were at the meeting say. As an alternative, the president argued in favor of deepening trade and other cooperation with the European Union. According to Reuters, those present at the meeting, some MPs begged to change his mind. Businessmen warned him that the agreement with the EU would provoke Russia - the former owner of Ukraine in Soviet times - to tighten the economic blockade of Ukrainian goods. Yanukovych was adamant. “We will strive for integration with Europe,” he snapped, say three people who attended the meeting. (fully- Special report: why Ukraine pushed the EU away from itself and spread its arms in front of Russia) Klim, hi !
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 January 2014 09: 41
            +5
            Anyway, I don’t understand why at the last moment he dragged everything on the brakes abruptly. In a plot with Klitschko and OPPOSITION? Is it also beneficial for him to rock the situation? It is possible that the power and the opposition are in the same team and the performance is shown to us ... Recently, I am more and more inclined to this idea.
            Hi! hi
            1. zzz
              zzz 27 January 2014 09: 56
              +1
              Quote: klimpopov
              It is possible that the power and the opposition are in the same team and the performance is shown to us ... Recently, I am more and more inclined to this idea.


              Maybe that’s why he sits quietly for himself, knowing in advance how this will end. Otherwise, how to explain his calm and inactivity?
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 09: 59
              +5
              Quote: klimpopov
              In a plot with Klitschko and OPPOSITION?

              In a conspiracy with his son a billionaire. Yes, the son showed the talent of a brilliant entrepreneur when dad became president.
      2. Akim
        Akim 27 January 2014 20: 09
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        do not enter an emergency or civil war does not start

        These are scarecrows of provocateurs.
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    4. Genry
      Genry 27 January 2014 12: 14
      +1
      Coming up!
      Army - not intended for police operations. Yes, and does not know how, it will be like an elephant in a china shop.
    5. Corsair
      Corsair 27 January 2014 12: 53
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      The army, according to the Constitution, has no right to interfere in internal conflicts.

      As long as the CONSTITUTION works ...

      At the moment, when the state is dying, it is simply immoral to hide behind the slogan "army outside politics" ...
      1. Akim
        Akim 27 January 2014 13: 01
        -2
        Quote: Corsair
        As long as the CONSTITUTION works ...

        The Constitution always works. That's just it, not all adhere to it.
        1. Tamparu
          Tamparu 27 January 2014 13: 58
          +2
          Quote: Akim


          The Constitution always works. That's just it, not all adhere to it.


          Akim, I beg you. What is the constitution in Ukraine? All laws work in manual mode ... with an eye on PAPU .... Or do you think that is wrong?
          1. Akim
            Akim 27 January 2014 14: 19
            0
            Quote: TampaRU
            All laws work in manual mode ... with an eye on PAPU .... Or do you think that is wrong?

            I’m talking about the army.
            1. Tamparu
              Tamparu 27 January 2014 14: 30
              0
              Quote: Akim


              I’m talking about the army.


              The army ... I agree, but do we have it? When you compare the items of expenditure on the bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense, then you begin to think that the authorities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs should protect the country ...
              For the army ... now the most important thing is to ensure the security of warehouses with weapons, something vague doubts gnaw at me that they are well guarded ... This is how "gay integrators" will rush to them, then that's for sure ...
              1. Akim
                Akim 27 January 2014 14: 39
                0
                I agree here. The disproportion in financing is very significant.
              2. Tamparu
                Tamparu 27 January 2014 14: 49
                0
                Quote: Akim

                I agree here. The disproportion in financing is very significant.


                Therefore, it is very likely that the army will go over to the side of the "European integrators" in this situation. And the weapons in warehouses in Western Ukraine will quickly move into the hands of the militants ...
                Then Ukraine, as one of the options, will be saved by a small victorious war, for example with Romania, which sleeps and sees the return of the lands of Bukovina and part of Odessa region ...
              3. Akim
                Akim 27 January 2014 14: 54
                0
                Quote: TampaRU
                Therefore, it is very likely that the army will go over to the side of the "European integrators" in this situation.

                There is no such situation. Oh. turning point. there were much worse times. Now the budget is equal to last year. And the money for the rearmament, neither the junior nor the senior officers do not care. They can be completed later by the Cabinet of Ministers.
              4. Tamparu
                Tamparu 27 January 2014 15: 04
                0
                Quote: Akim


                There is no such situation. Oh. turning point. there were much worse times. Now the budget is equal to last year. And the money for the rearmament, neither the junior nor the senior officers do not care. They can be completed later by the Cabinet of Ministers.


                We’ll look .. especially at the Cabinet of Ministers ... which one and under whom?
              5. Akim
                Akim 27 January 2014 15: 12
                0
                Quote: TampaRU
                ..especially on the Cabinet ... which one and under whom?

                The rabbit most likely will not accept the offer, otherwise its street will sweep away.
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  • ed65b
    ed65b 27 January 2014 09: 33
    +3
    Quote: oracul
    It’s not even confusing the size of the army, but the statements of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine that they will not participate in the dispersal of the Maydan.

    But EBN was poher, pulled up tanks and gouged parliament.
  • vvvvv
    vvvvv 27 January 2014 10: 26
    +1
    Yanukovych is undoubtedly a mu.dak, therefore, the term "maydanutye" is not entirely objective in meaning. Here on YouTube it is useful to listen to in order to understand the situation a little: "I. Berkut: about what you will not hear from Shuster, 18.04.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX."
    The Ukrainians have long been in full f ... and they are rebelling against Yanukovych reasonably. The EU and Bendera just confined themselves to this and tried to ride the protest wave.
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 27 January 2014 08: 53
    +2
    Quote: Canep
    A power scenario is possible, but there is a possibility of a civil war according to the Syrian scenario.

    What can happen in Ukraine?
    Bloodless scenario (best)
    Yanek (or another legitimate person) becomes the second Rygorich, relying on the decisions of the Rada and the power units, distributes to all sisters by earrings, and by oligarchs by baklus)). It is deprived of all accumulations withdrawn to the West.
    -Military scenario (worst)
    The chaos of Ukraine is achieved, which is saturated with militants of all stripes, NATO troops are deployed to the west of Ukraine, and the world war, so necessary for some to nullify debts, begins on the territory of Ukraine: bandits of all times and peoples with the support of "civilizers" against Russia. Janek's fate ... used for propaganda purposes only.

    All other scenarios are derivatives and intermediate from the first two.
    1. Slavapom
      Slavapom 27 January 2014 10: 24
      +4
      and there is also a third option (fantastic), a third force will appear, a new leader who will rally around himself the normal population, drive the Maidan to the edren fen, arrest the entire ruling elite, along with the Rada and others. It will strangle the western regions in the "friendly embrace" in spite of the cries of Europe and the so-called. the world community, after which it will begin to pursue a real policy in the interests of Ukraine.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 27 January 2014 10: 31
        +1
        Quote: Slavapom
        there is still a third option (fantastic) will appear 3rd force, a new leader

        This is the first)) "Janek (or other legitimate person) becomes the second Rygorych "...
        Because if "he arrests ALL the ruling elite, together with the Rada and others" ... it will be illegitimate, which means only "one of the parties." Which is one of the intermediate options)).
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov 27 January 2014 11: 28
        +1
        Quote: Slavapom
        and there’s a third option (fantastic) there will be a 3rd force, a new leader who will rally a normal population around him

        The fantastic thing is that there is no normal population (with the exception of rare loners) - all zombies can be controlled only through political propaganda and money, and only large systems - Nazism and Zionism, which compete in the world, have these tools.
        The third way has long been offered to you, but at first it’s funny for you, then it’s too late.
        http://warfiles.ru/33449-damask-udar-iz-glubiny.html
      3. 120352
        120352 27 January 2014 17: 14
        +2
        This third force will soon appear, but not in the form of a leader. but in the form of "peacekeepers" from the West, who will create a new world in Ukraine. By their own rules and in complete disregard for the interests of the local population. And the first signs of this peace will be NATO missiles deployed along the border with Russia. For this, everything is started.
  • atalef
    atalef 27 January 2014 08: 59
    +3
    Quote: Canep
    The map looks like a war map. A power scenario is possible but there is a possibility of a civil war according to the Syrian scenario

    There will be no hostilities, especially the Syrian scenario (you probably are not completely aware of what and how in Syria)
    The problem of today in Ukraine is that the main driving force is young people who don’t want to go with Russia (I don’t delve into the reasons) why the eastern regions suddenly collided - that's why. that young people no longer feel themselves and do not consider themselves to be Russia. This is understandable, they grew up in a * new * school. they perceive Ukraine as a separate state. and not part of the Russian metropolis (and do not want to be)
    My prediction is that parents will not go against the children, Yanukovych will have to reckon with the oppies, the government will be blamed if Russia fits, even indirectly - this will be the last nail in the coffin of relations between countries that are not easy. Who is to blame for this - both sides and Russia to no lesser extent. Ukraine is not the only one. The question is why in all the former Soviet republics there are openly anti-Russian sentiments? Ukraine is no exception - it is a trend. Here's what you need to think and consider. that everything paid by the West is stupid. I do not speak . that there are no financially interested forces there, but if everything seems to be beautifully bought and sold, why shouldn’t the Yanukovsky forces go wild? No money or sorry? I will not believe. Everything is more complicated and deeper. Yanukovych completely discredited himself and this is (in my opinion) the root of the problem.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 27 January 2014 09: 31
      +12
      Quote: atalef
      The problem of today in Ukraine is that the main driving force is young people who do not want to go with Russia

      What kind of youth ?? A trained fighting wing of the nationalists. not students. And by the way, if your forecast comes true, (God forbid), get ready to meet your fellow tribesmen, or rather the one who has time to give it away, and prepare a place near the wailing wall to mourn thousands of Jews hung on pillars with cries of "Glory to heroes, glory to heroes - death to enemies." What are you Native, do not understand what is there in real life and who is striving for power ??
      1. Ihrek
        Ihrek 27 January 2014 09: 52
        0
        Quote: ed65b
        What kind of youth ?? A trained fighting wing of the nationalists. not students. And by the way, if your forecast comes true, (God forbid), get ready to meet your fellow tribesmen, or rather the one who has time to give it away, and prepare a place near the wailing wall to mourn thousands of Jews hung on pillars with cries of "Glory to heroes, glory to heroes - death to enemies." What are you Native, do not understand what is there in real life and who is striving for power ??

        Of course, no one will hang anyone, but the persecution will be for anyone and not only Jews.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 27 January 2014 11: 53
          0
          Quote: Jamal1974
          Of course, no one will hang anyone, but the persecution will be for anyone and not only Jews.

          You explain this to half-beaten Jews returning from the synagogue.
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      3. atalef
        atalef 27 January 2014 12: 49
        -1
        Quote: ed65b
        What kind of youth ?? Trained combat wing of the nationalists. not students

        Without perceiving the actual state of things, you cannot respond adequately to them. You must face it, and not live by dreams and your desires.
        Quote: ed65b
        And by the way, if your forecast comes true, (God forbid) get ready to meet your fellow tribesmen or rather the one who has time to give a fight

        These are their problems, I made my choice 20 years ago
        Quote: ed65b
        crying to mourn thousands of Jews hung on pillars to the cries of "Glory to heroes, glory to heroes - death to enemies."

        This once again suggests that Jews should live in Israel, by the way, as a note, I think at least two hanged Jews - there will be one
        Quote: ed65b
        are you Native, didn’t understand what’s in real life and who is torn to power ??

        I have long understood. and if this is the choice of Ukraine, then I definitely can’t influence it from Israel. I generally vseravno where Ukraine will turn its shafts. Neither I nor you can affect it. The Ukrainians themselves brewed - let them go and rape.
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 27 January 2014 13: 29
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          I generally vseravno where Ukraine will turn its shafts.


          But for some reason you are present in the subject and, quite actively.
    2. Ihrek
      Ihrek 27 January 2014 09: 44
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      Yanukovych completely discredited himself and this is (in my opinion) the root of the problem.

      I completely agree. He discredited himself before all he could - to the people, to the west, to Russia. He does not act like the president of a country, or even like a man.
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    4. klimpopov
      klimpopov 27 January 2014 09: 48
      +8
      After the collapse of empires in the former colonies, there is always such a mood. But the question is, was Ukraine a colony of Russia? Only honestly ... And in general, the republics of the USSR could be considered colonies? The colonies are usually needed by the metropolis in order to export "wealth" from there ... Here is what, for example, Russia got from the Baltic states? A rhetorical question...
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      2. atalef
        atalef 27 January 2014 12: 58
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        . But the question is, were Ukraine a colony of Russia? Only honestly ... And indeed, the republics of the USSR could be considered colonies? The colony

        understand - this is an argument for nothing. I am sure that the Russians will give 1000 reasons why there was or was not, like the Ukrainians. They will build 1000 graphs and calculations, where they will explain that if not for Russia, Ukraine would have long disappeared from the world map. This is all empty argument and will not lead anyone
        IMPORTANT ONLY ONE
        How do people feel
        So you don’t have to go far — read the comments on VO and you will understand that Russians perceive Ukraine as an appendage, a part of Russia that owes it to it, which is part of its immediate interests and completely dependent on Russia. I would even say completely denying Ukrainians as an independent ethnic group
        Ukrainians do not specifically agree with this (including Russians living in Ukraine)
        Talking or talking to us like peers or fucking from the beach. is it really not clear? This is the basis of the problem and such an attitude of both Russia and Russians only fuels Ukrainian nationalism

        Quote: klimpopov
        Here's what, for example, raped Russia from the Baltic states? Rhetorical question...

        And what does it matter?
        If any Baltic states today says that they would have lived better without the USSR.
        The Soviet Union built half of Afghanistan at the time - this did not add to people's love.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 27 January 2014 14: 52
          +3
          So you don’t have to go far — read the comments on VO and you will understand that Russians perceive Ukraine as an appendage, a part of Russia that owes it to it, which is part of its immediate interests and completely dependent on Russia. I would even say completely denying Ukrainians as an independent ethnic group

          Not at all! Ukrainians have always been such and no one considered them an appendage. Here is the Stavropol Territory, for example, an appendage of Russia? Muscovites consider him such? Do they consider us here another ethnos or something else? That's the same ... How can Taganrog be considered Russian and Berdyansk or Mariupol not Russian? Again, take surzhik ... and so on and so forth. But they are imposing on the people living in Ukraine (Ukrainians) just the position voiced by Wamit ...
          If any Baltic states today says that they would have lived better without the USSR.

          This was just an example. And the point in my example is not how they think there, but what WE think here, there is nothing special to consider, leaving the market for brands and "brands" produced in the Baltic states gave nothing, again just an example. But in Ukraine, a lot of things were built, without which Russia is now difficult ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 27 January 2014 14: 58
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            Not at all! Ukrainians have always been such and no one considered them an appendage

            Do not dissemble
            Quote: klimpopov
            How can Taganrog be considered Russian and Berdyansk or Mariupol not Russian?

            Do not confuse Russian and Russian. Our city of Karmiel is the same half Russian - but it’s not Russian
            Quote: klimpopov
            But they are imposing on the people living in Ukraine (Ukrainians) just the position voiced by Wamit

            Do not be silly - this is what they think. I am in Kiev every year. I do not speak . what everyone thinks is the bulk.
            What do you think . if Russia suddenly helps Berkut with its ASSOCIATION - what will be the reaction in Ukraine?
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 27 January 2014 15: 10
              0
              What do you think . if Russia suddenly helps Berkut with its ASSOCIATION - what will be the reaction in Ukraine?

              Well, it depends on how to promote ...
              Do not dissemble

              I even didn’t understand that we have that in the Kuban, hoh.ol is hoho.l He is a Ukrainian and a Ukrainian in Africa. I don’t understand what are you talking about?
              Do not be silly - this is what they think. I am in Kiev every year. I do not speak . what everyone thinks is the bulk.

              The bulk in Kiev?
              Just clarifying.
              Do not confuse Russian and Russian. Our city of Karmiel is the same half Russian - but it’s not Russian

              In general, you confused me. Our city of Vladikavkaz is not entirely Russian but Russian, our city of Grozny was once Russian and now also Russian. Of course, Berdyansk is now not Russian, for it is under the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian government and as part of the state of Ukraine. Explain? Or just a pun?
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        3. CALL.
          CALL. 27 January 2014 18: 24
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Ukrainians do not specifically agree with this (including Russians living in Ukraine)
          Talking or talking to us like peers or fucking from the beach. is it really not clear?

          Quote: atalef
          And what does it matter?
          If any Baltic states today says that they would have lived better without the USSR.

          I completely agree. Always respected and respect Ukrainians. My brother and family live in Kiev, of course I call him back. Several colleagues live in Ukraine. The fact that Ukraine is an appendage is a vicious Russophobic myth. Somewhere, I came across information that in the USSR only two republics were not subsidized by the RSFSR and Turkmenistan (due to oil and gas). I talked like that with a neighbor. He hails from Siberia, went to enter the school in Riga, and ofuel. He says that Anatole has everything in stores, Riga residents are fashionably dressed, full of cafes, and dancing in cancan restaurants. And so it became a shame for me (and he himself was from the regional center). Somehow I came across interesting data:
          Read and match the reality that you have seen with your own eyes and statistical facts from the statistical compilations of the USSR, which I will now give you!
          RSFSR balance sheet balance +30,84, Estonia - 1,3, Latvia - 1,31, Lithuania - 3,69, Ukraine - 2,89. The balance of inter-republican and foreign economic commodity exchange in world prices in 1988 (billion rubles) (Gaidar ET The death of an empire. Lessons for modern Russia.- M .: ROSSPEN, 2006.- 440.- P.299 (*) )
          And this is how it looked in the distribution of money FOR ONE RESIDENT of the republic from the general budget of the USSR, to which, as we have seen, the main contribution was made by the RSFSR:
          RSFSR 147,4 million people, -209 rubles., Estogia 1,6 million people. +812 rubles, Latvia 2,7 million people, +485 rubles, Lithuania 3,7 million people, + 997 rubles,
          They lived well, right? 209 rubles were taken from each Russian in a year, and 812 rubles were paid to every Estonian free then, which he did not work for. Damned communists, of course, were robbed. But only whom? Now the Balts are preparing a lawsuit for the Soviet occupation. By the way, my brother told me that when the USSR was destroyed, the Ukrainians were told that it was they who feed Mosk @ Lei, annually for $ 15 billion.
      3. 120352
        120352 27 January 2014 17: 06
        0
        To be honest, it’s useful to know the history of your own country.
        Ukraine, by definition, could not be a colony of Russia, since it itself was before the Bolsheviks concluded the Brest Peace, for which part of Russia had to be separated, called Ukraine and given to the Germans. Before this Bolshevik betrayal, Little Russia and New Russia existed - parts of Russia.
        As for the Baltic states, Lithuania itself called itself Russia, and the remaining two boggy farms never had their own statehood and constantly changed hands. Either under the Germans, then under the Swedes, then under the Danes, until Peter the Great bought them out and before the Bolshevik coup they were an equal part of the Russian Empire. Wherein. it was Russia that created education, culture, healthcare and industry there. For this, they do not like us.
    5. Name
      Name 27 January 2014 10: 41
      +8
      Quote: atalef
      The question is why in all the former Soviet republics there are openly anti-Russian sentiments?

      So the answer is obvious: look for someone who benefits, I hope you don’t need a hint. Hope the answer is accepted. hi
      1. atalef
        atalef 27 January 2014 13: 02
        0
        Quote: name
        Hope the answer is accepted.

        Do you hate Gaster from Tajikistan (many, anyway) because of the orders of the Kremlin? Washington? or hate just because you hate.
        No need to look in all for someone’s hand, hatred, deep and historical feeling. And Russia did enough to Ukraine so that it would not be very welcome. Remember the gas wars. If you say that Russia was right all the time, I will not agree
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 27 January 2014 14: 57
          +2
          Do you hate Gaster from Tajikistan (many, anyway) because of the orders of the Kremlin? Washington? or hate just because you hate.

          And you look at what is happening in the MSC and read comments on the Internet? Have you been to MSCs for a long time? And by the way
          hate just because you hate.

          NOBODY would have touched them as well as their own Tozherosians - are there simply certain norms of behavior, or are they harassed by Moscow women in the metro in Kiev? Are honest Ukrainians slaughtered in the alleyways? And they shout "hey hoh.l this is our land, get out of here"? It was not at all correct to compare ...
          No need to look in everyone’s hand,

          There’s always someone’s hand! Seek someone profitable! And in the situation that we and the Russians also have a hand, and besides, what is happening in Ukraine also has an interested hand. Or deny it? And what else has Russia done wrong for the last 20 years to Ukraine? .. You can list it. We'll figure out.
          1. atalef
            atalef 27 January 2014 15: 07
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            going on in MSCs, see and read komenty on the Internet

            You know, I do not quite know what MSCs are. In general, I go to St. Petersburg once every 2-3 years and to Kiev - almost every year. Therefore, a little in the know (well, of course, if you still do not assume that my Russian friends have a rest every year)
            Quote: klimpopov
            Not at all correctly compared

            You understand what it is about. Hatred and dislike is not necessary at the direction of anyone.
            Quote: klimpopov
            There’s always someone’s hand!

            A man stands at the urinal with a cellphone near his ear:
            - Masha, I can’t talk to you - my hands are busy!

            - ...
            -... Yes, I’m in the toilet, Masha!
            - ...
            - Damn, x * th in my hands!
            - ...
            - What does it mean, whose ?!
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 27 January 2014 15: 20
              +2
              MSC - Moscow.
              You understand what it is about. Hatred and dislike is not necessary at the direction of anyone.

              She is always beneficial to someone. And it begins for a reason from scratch.
              A man stands at the urinal with a cellphone near his ear:
              - Masha, I can’t talk to you - my hands are busy!

              - ...
              -... Yes, I’m in the toilet, Masha!
              - ...
              - Damn, x * th in my hands!
              - ...
              - What does it mean, whose ?!

              wassat
        2. CALL.
          CALL. 27 January 2014 19: 22
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          You hate gaster from Tajikistan

          Again, you attribute to us what is not mentioned. The opinion of several, let's say so inadequate, you pass off as the opinion of the whole people. One gets the impression that you are being instructed in one training manual. If all the people hated them, then they would sweep somewhere else, but certainly not in Russia. If you are a guest, then respect the hosts, and do not climb on the table with dirty feet. I think that they are not respected in Israel either.
    6. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 January 2014 13: 04
      0
      Quote: atalef
      There will be no hostilities, especially the Syrian scenario (you probably are not completely aware of what and how in Syria)

      No need to promise, well, not the Syrian scenario so Yugoslav, Kosovo. You can ... control the country before any scenario.
      Quote: atalef
      parents will not go against children

      Both children and parents are different. Just the youth (not all) because of the stupidity and lack of experience and, often, knowledge always hopes for a miracle: they say someone will pull it out of ... like a carrot from a garden and to Paris with a good allowance in euros. laughing And the old passive, did not bring up their children, they themselves shouted that "there is no land better than Ukraine" at one time.
      Here are the "oranges from the aspen".
      It is a pity that, apparently, it will not do without tragedies. But Russia is not always treated badly in the former allies. Excluding nationalist personalities. They always need the enemy.
      By the way, in the modern Ukraine they began to call the Kharkov region Slobozhanschina. And write like that even on road signs. This name originates from Sloboda Ukraine as part of the Moscow kingdom. They do not forget, however, and do not align themselves with Galicia, although, apparently, banderlogs can be found there too, but a few.
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  • 120352
    120352 27 January 2014 17: 35
    0
    And in Syria, this is how it all began. Only there, the spiritual basis of the confrontation (what soldiers and militants are doing) was religious. In Syria, despite the fact that the country is Islamic, there is no such lawlessness as in Saudi Arabia. There, Christianity, which was in those parts before other religions, and Alavism, a peculiar synthesis of Shiism and Christianity with a significant share of the Old Testament, and Druism and Sunnism, are held in high esteem. But to fundamentalists, it’s like a sickle in their souls. So they began to destroy all who are not Sunnis. Although the economic basis of what is happening in Syria - the newly discovered oil reserves - means look for the interests of the Rothschilds.
    Here, in Little Russia, alas, a quasi-ethnic conflict can become the pseudo-spiritual basis of mass troubles (not those that happen now, but may happen later). Quasi - because, as I have already written many times, Little Russians, called Ukrainians since 1916 (as representatives of the Austro-Hungarian army began to call them) are the same Russians as Belarusians and Great Russians. And it is all together that they are called the Russian people.
    But, let's see what happens sooner. The world is stochastic and often incentives carried out for one purpose lead to completely opposite consequences.
  • denisey
    denisey 27 January 2014 08: 22
    +2
    Quote: mirag2
    Do you still believe in a power scenario?

    My friend, it is necessary to urgently introduce group "B" of the FSB into Ukraine, in this situation, delay will critically change the geopolitical balance of power in the post-Soviet space!
    And with a boxer and others like him need to solve something radically, time does not wait.
    1. jjj
      jjj 27 January 2014 08: 31
      +3
      All this is just waiting. Even American ships entered the Black Sea ahead of time
      1. denisey
        denisey 27 January 2014 08: 49
        +6
        Quote: jjj
        All this is just waiting. Even American ships entered the Black Sea ahead of time

        That's what the specialists are for so that no one knows why the "bobby died".
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    3. Hammer
      Hammer 27 January 2014 09: 42
      0
      Quote: denisey

      My friend, it is necessary to urgently introduce group "B" of the FSB into Ukraine, in this situation, delay will critically change the geopolitical balance of power in the post-Soviet space!
      And with a boxer and others like him, something needs to be decided radically, time does not wait.


      It was already too late, with the opposition it was necessary to "work" before Yanukovych showed a big chuckle to the West in association. You could still work right after that, while the Maidan was being organized. Now he won't give anything ... a boxer and others like him, in fact, do not control anything. Maidan people are on their own, if Klitschko now starts kissing Yanukovych in the gums, the Euromaidan will not disperse ... they will simply choose another leader. Yanukovych, Yatsenyuk and others are just fair parsley with someone else's hand in the ass. Where they turn, they show there. Later on, to do something with them ... one cannot do without forceful large-scale actions. And Yanukovych no longer has the strength to do this. There is nothing and no one to conduct them ...
      Lost the time.
      1. S-200
        S-200 27 January 2014 10: 31
        +2
        Quote: Hammer
        Posture to do something with them ...

        this orange Maidan at lunch - 20 years ... roll with them!
        Constantly in the Ukrainian parliament, muzzles beat each other ...
        beat the lads and disperse - drink the vodka ...
        You do NOT need to make tragedies because of the southern temperament of the neighbors ..
        Let Europe fuss with them!
        There will be an unexpected surprise - full bloomers of Shasya! wassat
        Europeans will recall that it was better to accept Turkey than these southern Slavs ...
      2. denisey
        denisey 27 January 2014 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: Hammer
        Yatsenyuk and others are just yarmoroy parsley with someone else's hand in the ass. Where they turn - there and show. It’s a matter of doing something with them ... you can’t do without large-scale power actions. And Yanukovych no longer has the strength for this. Not by what and not by whom to conduct them ...
        Lost the time.

        1. (This is my personal point of view) Forceful large-scale actions can lead to undesirable consequences at the moment because certain actions controlled (from the outside), "unknown" special services will play into their hands by feeding the fluctuating mass of the population towards supporting entry into Gayrop integration ...
        2. The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine has enough strength, "BUT" commands to "stop" and "reorganize" illegal groups DO NOT COME.
        The only way out is to carry out certain actions with the help of specialists (so as not to fan the fire of national hatred between the clan and the inseparable,
        the peoples forming the Slavic ethnos.) with the obligatory elimination of the "advisers of the potential enemy" IMHO.
    4. 120352
      120352 27 January 2014 16: 48
      0
      About the "boxer and others like him." An interesting association turns out: Serpent Gorynych about three heads, into which they forgot to load their brains!
  • zzz
    zzz 27 January 2014 09: 14
    +3
    Something tells me that if suddenly, somehow, Poroshenko doesn’t, then the Maidan will quickly resolve .... (dreamed, or what?)
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 January 2014 11: 04
      +2
      Quote: zzz
      if suddenly, somehow, Poroshenko doesn’t, then the Maidan will quickly resolve .... (dreamed, or what?)

      And not only Poroshenko. But it's not that. The fact is that even if the Maidan is completely cleared in February, the country will NOT calm down! Aggressive moods will persist! And it is worth tossing some "twig into the fading embers" - everything will go over again.
  • ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 27 January 2014 11: 01
    +1
    And actually what is a power scenario? When you are beaten on the face and their pockets are turned out, while driving you out of the house, do you believe in a non-force scenario? According to Western tolerasts, these bastards who burn, break, beat people, by the way their compatriots and break what was created for the good of Ukraine, are called the opposition, by the way, who wants to defeat their country, so bandits can be created, and law enforcement officers can try to save the country then is this a power scenario? At one time, the king was afraid of a power scenario for the sake of preserving the empire, and we got a bloody civil war.
    1. Anper
      Anper 27 January 2014 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
      law enforcement officers if they are trying to save the country,

      And they work like that. The freshest rumors from the Rivne bazaar: the cattle ignored Zaporizhzhya atom. Here's how to form public opinion: not Maydan’s, not ours, but cattle.There is a difference? I repeat - it’s not yet evening. Pu is not such a donkey money just squander.
  • Anper
    Anper 27 January 2014 12: 44
    0
    IN EXACTLY JUST SIT In the lobby of the regional administration, there, where the main entrance, the administration itself works in the usual mode, they just go through the side door, and on the second floor, nobody starts them.
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 27 January 2014 15: 08
    +1
    Or can everyone look soberly, but easier?

    Lenin (by the way, an extremely intelligent strategist and tactician): “Before we unite, and in order to unite, we must first decisively and definitely separate ourselves.”

    The map shows where the "cancerous" metastases are and where there is a basis for future joint construction. Anyone who wants to be with Russia must win this right, and not wait for "favors from nature."

    Is Ukraine leaving for the EU? This is nonsense - they are not needed there for nothing, like Turkey or Albania. NATO is also choking on such a piece.

    Ukraine must prove to itself that this is a state, not a Walk-Field. In 2008, Russian President Vladimir PUTIN called Ukraine “not a state” **. There were many cries that "Ukraine is becoming a stronger and more powerful state, which plays its role in geopolitical processes," but history puts everything in its place ...

    ____________________
    ** When it came to Ukraine, Putin, addressing Bush, said: “You understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? Part of its territory is Eastern Europe, and part, and significant, donated by us! " And here he very transparently hinted that if Ukraine is nevertheless admitted to NATO, this state will simply cease to exist.
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 27 January 2014 15: 37
    -1
    Quote: mirag2
    Tymoshenko, and she, they say, tried for the west of Ukraine a lot more than for the other part of it, ”said Yanukovych to prison, Ukraine to NATO.

    in fact, if Tymoshenko and her team come to power, it will be the lesser evil ...
    in the end, Tymoshenko has already agreed with Putin once,
    besides, from all presented, it is the most adequate ...
  • Basarev
    Basarev 27 January 2014 16: 29
    0
    They say that there is one more scenario, although it is near-fantastic - Berkut has patience and the high commander will give an order to stop this rabble in spite of all other authorities.
  • CALL.
    CALL. 27 January 2014 18: 42
    +1
    1. Afghan war. Who needed her?
    The United States deliberately provoked the USSR to send troops into Afghanistan. Confessions of Z. Brzezinski
    08: 31 25.12.2009
    "Yes, the CIA appeared in Afghanistan before the Russians ..." (Le Nouvel Observateur, France)
    Confessions of a former adviser to US President Carter
    Vincent Jauvert
    National Security Assistant to President Jimmy Carter Zbigniew Brzezinski
    Nouvelle Observatory: Former CIA Director Robert Gates writes in his memoirs that American intelligence services began helping the mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet troops entered Afghanistan. At the time, you were US President Carter's national security adviser, and you were in the know. Do you support Gates' words?
    Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version, the CIA began supporting the Mujahideen in 1980, that is, after the Soviet Army entered Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But in reality (this was kept secret until today), everything was different: in fact, President Carter signed the first directive on providing secret assistance to opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul on July 3, 1979. And on the same day I wrote him a memorandum explaining that in my opinion this help would entail military intervention by the Soviets.
    - Despite this risk, you were a supporter of this secret operation. But maybe you wanted the Soviets of this war and were looking for ways to provoke it?
    - Not certainly in that way. We did not force the Russians to intervene, but we deliberately increased the likelihood that they did.
    - When the Soviets justified their actions, saying that they intend to fight against US secret intervention in the affairs of Afghanistan, no one believed them. However, the truth was in their words ... Do you regret anything today?
    - Regret about what? That covert operation was a brilliant idea. She let them lure the Russians into an Afghan trap, and you want me to be sorry? When the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: "Now we have the opportunity to secure the USSR for its own Vietnam War." In fact, Moscow had to wage an unbearable war for almost ten years, a conflict that led to demoralization and eventually the collapse of the Soviet empire.
    - Do you regret that you promoted Islamic fundamentalism, armed and advised future terrorists?
    - What is more important for world history? The Taliban or the fall of the Soviet empire? A few excited Islamists or the liberation of central Europe and the end of the Cold War?
    - "A little horny"? But it has been repeatedly said: Islamic fundamentalism today poses a global threat ...
    - Nonsense! It would be necessary, as they say, for the West to have a common policy towards Islamism. This is stupid: there is no global Islamism. Let's look at Islam rationally and without demagoguery or emotions. It is a world religion with 1,5 billion adherents. But what is common between fundamentalist pro-Western Saudi Arabia, moderate Morocco, militaristic Pakistan, Egypt, or secular Central Asia? Nothing more than what unites Christian countries.
    Original publication: "Oui, la CIA est entrée en Afghanistan avant les Russes ..."
    Source - InoSMI
    The permanent address of the article is http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1261719060
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 27 January 2014 19: 33
      +1
      2. Chernobyl disaster. The nuclear power plant was built on the age-old Russian “Avos” in a tectonically unsafe place.

      Kiev, June 03 (New Region, Sergey Dmitriev) - The tragedy at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was deliberately provoked with the aim of the collapse of the USSR and the separation of Ukraine from Russia.
      These are the results of an independent physico-technical investigation conducted by nuclear physicist Nikolai Kravchuk (he graduated from the department of the theory of the atomic nucleus of the physics department of the Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov).
      The results of the study are presented in his work The Mystery of the Chernobyl Disaster, published in 2011 in Moscow, where she received a certain response. Even before the publication of the book, after the first leaks in the Ukrainian press, Kravchuk was immediately dismissed from work at the Institute of Theoretical Physics of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine.
      Conclusions Kravchuk supported in the review of the book supported by the professor, Doctor of Technical Sciences I.A. Kravets, and Dr. V.A. VYSHINSKY. However, the results of the scientist’s work did not reach the wide Ukrainian public.
      Kravchuk asked for support from representatives of the Kiev Russian Club. Kiev Russian Club considers it necessary to bring its results to the public of Ukraine.
      The scientist claims that the explosion of the reactor was pre-planned and carried out under the leadership of the Gorbachev Central Committee of the CPSU, and the wine was carefully dumped on the station staff, who turned out to be a scapegoat. Then the nuclear scientists were forced to justify themselves under the conditions of mutual responsibility and pressure of the “perestroika”. What was indirectly recognized before the world community by the Gorbachev leadership, to which all threads lead.
      http://www.km.ru/world/2013/06/05/chernobylskaya-katastrofa/712470-tragediya-che

      rnobylya-mogla-byt-rezultatom-zagovor
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 27 January 2014 19: 45
        +2
        3. Persecution of the Ukrainian intelligentsia. In particular, Vasil Stus, a lawyer (it is clear for whom he worked) who was Medvedchuk.
        I don’t know about Vasil Stus.
        As for Afghanistan and Chernobyl, if there was a political will like Lukashenko (here is one of the few who serves the people, not their own money), it would be possible to conduct several talk shows and show the whole country and now there would not be so many people who were waiting. And if they had told the truth about Stalin that Khrushchev had slandered him at the XX Congress, I think there would have been no Maidan.
        The father of lies is the devil
      2. CALL.
        CALL. 28 January 2014 01: 37
        +1
        Quote: Z.O.V.
        The tragedy at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was deliberately provoked to the collapse of the USSR and the separation of Ukraine from Russia.


        27.12.2013/23/56, XNUMX:XNUMX Melana Larina
        Is Gorbachev a dummy? Nobody argues with this, but whose dummy! That's the question. None's dummy, but the owner's. Chernobyl - special operations in Europe and America. Gorba - he knew everything and acted as it should. His main role was to be silent for three weeks. Well, cover everything, of course. In 1983, the Swedish associate professor at Stockholm University Staffan Westerlund writes the book "Svärtornas år" in Russian "The Year of the Black Ducks", and what was my surprise when in a book from 1983 I read that the atomic accident described by the Swedish associate professor is comparable from a nuclear accident at, for example, Chernobyl! 3 years before Ch., The Swedes described exactly how not to do it. The book describes a very hot summer, the inaction of the authorities, which leads to a strong infection. The people are dissatisfied, unrest begins. I translated this book into Russian. So there is even a moment when the politician makes excuses, they say, the group sent to the station itself did not understand the complexity of the situation, because they stayed in a hotel in that town, and also Gorba, in his excuses, says word for word that even a scientific the group remained in the town and did not understand the whole danger. What donkeys are they? As in that book, so in reality, the truth is that they were forced to stay to avert their eyes. In Chernobyl, everything was for a diversion. Anyone who does not see sabotage in Chernobyl is blind or a great hypocrite! As, by the way, did the person who spoke about the book in the article. Fu.
        http://www.km.ru/world/2013/06/05/chernobylskaya-katastrofa/712470-tragediya-che
        rnobylya-mogla-byt-rezultatom-zagovor
  • alone
    alone 27 January 2014 19: 58
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    Do you still believe in a power scenario?


    The army declared neutrality. And if it intervenes, then it is certainly not in favor of the authorities because, as President Yanukovych weakened the army, strengthening the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The army has a grudge against him.
    not all the forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will go for Yanukovych. and those who went already in place, 99% can be said that
    they are without an operational reserve, if the minister with bitterness says that he has 300 employees at the hospitals. Well, bitterness is understandable, all the same people suffered. But on the other hand, 300 employees are many, and apparently there is no replacement for them.
  • Tatb
    Tatb 2 February 2014 12: 57
    0
    The Ukrainian guy married a Russian girl. Before the wedding night, his father gives him instructions! First, take her in his arms and bring her to the bed. Show me how strong Ukraine is. Then take off your shirt-show. what a beautiful Ukraine. And the voice of my grandfather is heard from the next room: -And then start dr ... show, show What independent Ukraine!
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    1. invisibility
      invisibility 27 January 2014 08: 20
      +1
      I agree. But sometimes you have to defend yourself ...
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    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 08: 28
      +3
      As for the Russophobes, it’s clear, it’s not clear how the Afghans ended up in Donetsk, when, according to the Captain of the VRUngel, they all protect the maidan from Golden Eagle laughing
      With regards to the map, the changes are ongoing, you get tired of repainting the map.
      Golden Eagle "cruelly dispersed the demonstrators in Cherkasy
      "Golden eagle" beats people at the building of the Sumy regional administration
      18 policemen injured in a confrontation in the center of Dnepropetrovsk
      About 50 people tried to enter the regional administration building. 37 protesters were detained for disturbing public order. SMS was found in detainees' mobile phones calling for participation in the campaign for remuneration

      Donetsk security forces broke through the cordon in Vasilkovo and went to Kiev
      http://news.mail.ru/abroad/
      Tomorrow it will again be possible to repaint the map.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 27 January 2014 08: 17
    +7
    It is nonsense to "reforge" Ukrainian Russians into Russophobes so quickly! Wow, what a propaganda whistle was staged by the Banderas throughout Ukraine! - And the Russian political establishment is conniving at this by its inaction - they are leading things to bloodshed! Americans rub their hands - "it turned out"! The invested green billions bring an effect! - And ours - what ?! ... (unprintable words) ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 January 2014 08: 34
      +5
      Quote: PValery53
      Wow, what a propaganda whistle for Bandera all over Ukraine!

      Without Uncle Sam’s money, they would still be led under the arms of some ancient, incomplete SS man.
    2. oracul
      oracul 27 January 2014 09: 12
      +7
      Do you really think that Russia should abandon everything and deal only with Ukraine? Yes, the unpleasant thing is happening with the neighbors. However, it should be remembered that the one who laughs last laughs well.
      1. xan
        xan 27 January 2014 20: 27
        +1
        Quote: oracul
        However, it should be remembered that the one who laughs last laughs well.

        There is another Spanish saying: who hit first, he hit twice.
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 27 January 2014 08: 20
    +14
    I don’t understand why Ukraine’s organized crime is silent, is it not bound by laws and ratings, or do they hope to weld when the factories are cut into scrap metal for Europe? With a general impoverishment, they are also impoverished!

    Why is not there among the Ukrainian leadership a brave man who will give the order to clean Kiev and introduce an emergency to bypass or even through the arrest of Yanyk?

    Isn't there a rich person who will lose a lot from the chaos - would allocate the loot, send everyone an SMS "we are going there and then, I will pay and equip everything - let's strangle the banderlog".

    Why the right views and forces are always poorly organized and often AMOBE in essence - yes, remember 1917, the intelligentsia scored it and the Red Terror killed it later, they will remember all the new authorities, you will take away all your business and all property - come to your senses !

    Hope for Yanukovych is ALSO Nonsense, the situation is simple - FIRE, it is necessary to put out, urgently and the whole world!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 08: 35
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      I don’t understand why Ukraine’s organized crime is silent, because it’s not bound by laws and ratings.

      Because she’s been in power for a long time or next to her. Thieves in law are not the same as before. If you want to become a thief in law, for a couple of lemons of rubles you will become him, or even cheaper. on the site wink
    2. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 08: 53
      +8
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      Hope for Yanukovych is ALSO Nonsense, the situation is simple - FIRE, it is necessary to put out, urgently and the whole world!

      Yanyk’s actions remind a girl who is being raped, and she says: Let's consider that this is in love.
    3. atalef
      atalef 27 January 2014 09: 01
      +3
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      Isn't there a rich person who will lose a lot from the chaos - would allocate the loot, send everyone an SMS "we are going there and then, I will pay and equip everything - let's strangle the banderlog".

      Probably not so simple.
      1. vitamin ky
        vitamin ky 27 January 2014 11: 32
        +2
        hmm, surely there are such people, but there are those who will find and make money on it - even more - solid capital - to whom is the war and to whom is mother mother recourse
    4. Kolya
      Kolya 27 January 2014 09: 12
      +3
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      Isn't there a rich person who will lose a lot from chaos - would allocate the loot, send everyone an SMS "let's get together there and then, I'll pay and equip everything - let's strangle the banderlog

      All the loot of the Yanukovych and Co. in Western banks, only they rock the boat with a power scenario - Uncle Sam will put a paw on the loot. So it was in Tunisia, Libya, Syria, Egypt. In the beginning, everything was peaceful, when it swayed to peace and when we began to wet the demonstrators, we laid a paw on the loot. The money was gone and the regimes had to go all the way, so as not to lose power, but it was already a civil war. The West and the loot cut down and sent the country into ruins through the efforts of their own citizens.
  • saag
    saag 27 January 2014 08: 23
    +2
    check and checkmate, at this stage of time, with such a ruler of another it is difficult to expect
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 27 January 2014 08: 24
    +8
    from part of the Russian people have made and are doing anti-Russian and anti-Russian. goebels in the grave tired of applauding
  • MG42
    MG42 27 January 2014 08: 25
    +4
    Donetsk region, Lugansk and Crimea are exactly for Yanukovych, Maidan in Donetsk, except that football fans of Shakhtar and marginals are few in number. This is his fellow countrymen from the Donbass. Odessa and Kharkov are more and more than no then Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye, and then everything is more complicated.
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 27 January 2014 09: 18
      +3
      Everything is much worse!
      1. 120352
        120352 27 January 2014 16: 35
        0
        Yes, and in Odessa is not easy. I tried today on Skype with a friend to talk. He also informed. Everything is on the verge of rebellion.
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 16: 40
          0
          Quote: 120352
          Yes, and in Odessa is not easy.

          And I say that everything is within stability. We decided to block part of the explosives. Maydan cars burned the fuck!
    2. 120352
      120352 27 January 2014 16: 37
      +1
      The important thing is not that they are for Yanukovych (it would be for anyone!), But that, with their brains, they are close to Russia. There and on mov-that nobody razmovlyaet.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 27 January 2014 08: 26
    +4
    Good! Well, firstly, you need to clearly understand that there are 2 rallies in Ukraine: for Euromaidan (for money!) And a peaceful rally! We must not forget that it is not family and grandmothers who throw Molotovs and fight the police! Identify provocateurs and jail and close the city to visiting young people! And so another couple of weeks and the president will go to the place of UT.
    1. 120352
      120352 27 January 2014 16: 33
      0
      They there, Yanuku with Yulia, will be fine. Quiet, calm. Sometimes they feed. And Yulia has not had enough "male core" for so long!
  • Petr1
    Petr1 27 January 2014 08: 28
    +1
    Well, it’s bad for Ukrainian brothers without Russians, they want to return to Russia wink
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 08: 37
      +4
      Quote: Petr1
      back to Russia they want to wait

      Who are we waiting for, these, and for a hundred years they have not fallen to us, their sixes too.
      1. Petr1
        Petr1 27 January 2014 08: 44
        +2
        Well, we have enough of these, we are not waiting for them, we will go over the hill
  • Grbear
    Grbear 27 January 2014 08: 32
    +4
    On the question of education: for 20 years, millions of young people who will become potential enemies of Russia have been "hijacked" from Russian-speaking, read Russians. So, we need to train our own people properly, if we do not want to get "ideological" enemies in our country.
  • calocha
    calocha 27 January 2014 08: 45
    +3
    And it began- Makhnovshchina ....
    1. 120352
      120352 27 January 2014 16: 28
      0
      Makhnovschina, in comparison with what is happening, is a children's bedtime story.
  • thinking
    thinking 27 January 2014 08: 45
    +7
    Yes, do not rush you for eastern and southern Ukraine. I'm from here myself. And I see how people react to the Kiev Maidan. We will not have idle talk. And they are silent because there is no team, they will give the go-ahead and then everything will become clear
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 08: 58
      0
      Quote: thinking
      give the go-ahead and then everything becomes clear

      Who will give? I also hoped for it. The authorities declined themselves.
      1. thinking
        thinking 27 January 2014 09: 45
        +5
        The troubled times of the leaders will show. I know one thing, fascism will not work.
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 09: 51
          +1
          Quote: thinking
          fascism will not work.

          Yes! soldier
    2. atalef
      atalef 27 January 2014 09: 03
      0
      Quote: thinking
      And they are silent because there is no team, they will give the go-ahead and then everything will become clear

      who should give and which?
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 27 January 2014 12: 44
      0
      Quote: thinking
      they are silent because there is no team, they will give the go-ahead and then everything will become clear

      Do you still believe that the team will arrive? Look what’s going on in Western Ukraine. Fighting from among those who own weapons. And here in the East? Silent! Try to organize yourself? And the authorities will declare us terrorists? The authorities have no will to win and there are no people who can mobilize ... no, not allies of power (it completely lost them), but at least opponents of banderization and a split in the country. Power is afraid and does not trust its own people. People from the East have no one to organize. And not organized people- herd. The military, the police, and just adequate citizens are waiting for permission to restore order - this is absurd! Power-crap in full.
    4. 120352
      120352 27 January 2014 16: 27
      0
      Zaporizhia, it seems, is also not the North, but what is going on there, in the know? There will be no active and principled opposition to obscurantists, it is difficult to predict what will happen next.
  • mastodon
    mastodon 27 January 2014 08: 47
    -4
    The article is more propaganda than analytical. Yes, and the name does not correspond to reality. The party is not over yet ...
    1. acute
      acute 27 January 2014 10: 42
      +2
      the party goes into the endgame. Yanukovych consecutively surrenders his supporters and it will all end with an agreement on the personal integrity of Yanukovych. everything leads only to this
      1. Akim
        Akim 27 January 2014 10: 52
        0
        Quote: akut
        and it’s all over, an agreement on the personal integrity of Yanukovych. everything leads only to this

        WHOM WILL HE AGREE?
        1. acute
          acute 27 January 2014 12: 16
          +1
          how with whom? With Europe naturally and America. where is his grandmother. And the intermediaries K.T.E. he is already bazaar with them
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 10: 55
        +1
        Quote: akut
        contract on personal integrity of Yanukovych.

        Tymoshenko will lean back and take the push with this agreement. No pieces of paper will help Yanukovych, people want blood and he will get it. If, of course, Yanukovych continues to behave this way.
        1. acute
          acute 27 January 2014 11: 17
          0
          How all this happens can tell Putin. Yeltsin’s team is still at large and with his grandmothers. The treaty that Putin is complying with. Or do you think that Chubais and other things are much better than Yanukovych. there were Old Man, Nazarbayev, Putin and Karimov
  • hitech
    hitech 27 January 2014 08: 50
    +6
    Our propaganda has been swinging for too long, unlike the western one. While they scratch our turnips, the State Department will prepare another trick. Constantly defending you will never win.
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 09: 00
      0
      Quote: hitech
      While our turnips are scratched, the State Department is already preparing another trick

      Until the Olympics pass, do not wait for help from Russia.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 10: 57
        +1
        Quote: Akim

        Until the Olympics pass, do not wait for help from Russia.

        Akim, what help do you expect now, after the Olympics? Special forces, whether to send or negotiators will be sent. So there is no one to negotiate with by and large.
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 January 2014 11: 07
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, after the Olympics do you expect to receive?

          Only political. While the Duma accepts only neutral statements, it is necessary to intervene as the West. Now Ukraine is the battlefield between Russia and the United States to pull it away from Syria.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 11: 17
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            , but we must intervene as the West

            Since the west is to push money into anti-maidans, the press, impudent declarations, open and secret advisers on maidans, this is western, but this is not only political.
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 January 2014 11: 45
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Since the west is to trick money

              No money needed. We just need moral support, that we are not alone.
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 27 January 2014 09: 04
      +3
      A very correct remark, I absolutely agree, our propaganda is lagging behind, and lags behind, all the methods of the USSR are used, and times are different ...
      1. yehat
        yehat 27 January 2014 09: 31
        +2
        in the USSR, propaganda was faster.
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  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 27 January 2014 08: 52
    +2
    from the Don.
    The author is right, and it’s bitter. But they did not hinder the flow of Russophobic propaganda in Ukraine, but encouraged. Here is the result! And Russia is powerless to do something. All education has failed at the family level. what to say about youth!
    1. Slavapom
      Slavapom 27 January 2014 10: 58
      +3
      I agree with you. I just can’t understand how this way Russia could prevent the emergence of Russophobia in a neighboring state ??? Or is it in Moscow wrote textbooks on the history of Ukraine ??? Russophobe or Russophile, all this is laid down for the most part by existing values ​​in society, education in the family. Of course, I understand that old, still Soviet history textbooks were banned, that a new story was written, where the Russians are the sources of all the troubles of Ukrainians and so on and so forth. However, if you are a rational person, truly intelligent, and not chewing, you can always find, if not truth, then more or less objective information, and form your worldview on the basis of this information. In the end, historical prose, fiction, and many feature films from those of the good times, the times of the great USSR, cannot be canceled or prohibited, and access to them is possible thanks to modern means of communication anywhere in the world. It is only a small matter, a DESIRE to find, look, read, because if there is no desire to objectively perceive reality, then no Russian efforts will help to overcome Russophobia.
      Sorry boiling !!!
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 27 January 2014 11: 18
      +2
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      The author is right, and it’s bitter. But they did not hinder the flow of Russophobic propaganda in Ukraine, but encouraged. Here is the result! And Russia is powerless to do something. All education has failed at the family level. what to say about youth!


      If we take all 22 years of independence, then we can say quite responsibly that at least half of Ukraine was supported by the Russian Federation, many of the current oligarchs made their fortunes on Russian gas, the main operator for Europe was Ukraine, and the Russian Federation gave gas at discounted prices ... After the "freebie" ended, gas wars began, which is interesting, every second Ukrainian was convinced that Russia should give gas free of charge as compensation for the "Holodomor" and other costs of the "totalitarian regime." The second point, Russia, throughout all the years has supported the official pro-Russian organizations, but most of these funds were stolen, but to tell the truth there was no real Leader, however, the official authorities did not have one. The personnel issue in Ukraine is just a bullshit.
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 27 January 2014 08: 52
    0
    It would be necessary to transfer the airborne division to Belgorod, we’ll have time to defend it before the Dnieper, and there, either on the Elbe, or forging and clearing banderlogs
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 January 2014 09: 02
      +3
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      The airborne division should be transferred to Belgorod

      Here is another Grachev found.
    2. acute
      acute 27 January 2014 10: 06
      +4
      what are you really? Which divisions? Everything must be done like this. so that it does not spread to Russia. We have one problem. Someone steals and freaks out with fat, and someone lives on paycheck to paycheck (if there is work)
      1. 120352
        120352 27 January 2014 16: 15
        0
        I would very much like this muck not to spread to Russia. But, alas, that's why everything was started. The most talkative bandera-fascists say: "We are going to Russia." Therefore, the border must be strengthened urgently, and not with one division, so that later it does not have to retreat to the Urals. Do not forget that before the Bolshevik Peace of Brest-Litovsk Ukraine did not exist, but there was Little Russia, part of Russia. She was paid for the Brest Peace. We have one body and one soul. And everything that happens on one side, one way or another, is reflected on the other.
  • demotivator
    demotivator 27 January 2014 09: 01
    +2
    In my opinion, the essence of what is happening is that Ukraine, a huge populated territory in today's world, has turned out to be unprofitable. It turned out not by itself, but it was brought to such a state. That is, the territory of Ukraine itself will come in handy, but no one needs the population that cannot support itself (because of the same as in Russia - the devastation and destruction of industrial production and agriculture). On the other hand, small and compact Belarus exerts all its forces, production and agriculture in order to survive. And so far, it turns out for her. But Belarusians barely make ends meet without oil and gas.
    Therefore, more recently, somewhere far beyond the ocean, several cynical English-speaking scumbags condemned the population of Ukraine to extermination. The strategy is simple and tested many times - hunger, cold and, as it were, a civil war. The money allocated for the destruction of the population today we are actively exploring. The same fate may befall Russia, if we do not catch ourselves in time. Because hydrocarbon reserves are running out!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 27 January 2014 09: 05
    +2
    And we have the Olympics. GDP like water in his mouth probably prays day and night, "Lord, bring it", and in fact it may not. And as soon as it slams Sochi will already be on the 3rd plan, there will be no time for skis. And this is also a lesson for our rulers, the country is also brought to this by corruption, social norms, fat oligarchs, thieving Serdyukovs. Let them look and wonder what the embittered people can do with the authorities. (I don’t defend the maydanuts)
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 27 January 2014 09: 48
      +5
      Many people remember the translation of the song by Gr. Genghis Khan as "Moskau, Moskau, we will throw bombs, you will have the Olympics ah-ha-ha-ha" (the lyrics are completely different). It is difficult being in Russia to fully assess the situation in Ukraine, but there are already more than one thousand comments on these topics. It can be seen that the Russians are not indifferent, and not only the Russians. Whatever the nationalists write, I sincerely hurt for our neighbors. I think it has nothing to do with the Olympics, they will figure it out themselves, but they will really break through in the process ...
  • hitech
    hitech 27 January 2014 09: 08
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
    It would be necessary to transfer the airborne division to Belgorod, we’ll have time to defend it before the Dnieper, and there, either on the Elbe, or forging and clearing banderlogs

    Can you imagine how it will look in foreign media? "Russian savages annex Ukraine! Help! Save, help!" And here you will have to fight with the people of Ukraine, and this is always a lot of blood on both sides. No, propaganda must be acted upon by retaliatory propaganda. How Americans especially love: "Let's win minds and hearts!"
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 27 January 2014 09: 20
    +4
    As a good friend of mine used to say, "if they could get them good, but I have no time - there are a lot of things at work." If, as a result of the "Western festivities" in the east of Ukraine, work interruptions begin, a civil war - a real war - may well become a reality, and then the "Circus on Maidan" will seem like a child's play ...
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 27 January 2014 09: 25
    +11
    The article is accurate and topical. The only inaccuracy: the fourth and main reason for supporting the "Euromaidan" is not indicated, namely, the "European Dream"
    The main motive for Maidan supporters is not love for Bandera or Russophobia, but a long-awaited visa-free regime with the EU. Their real goal is to get out of Ukraine as soon as possible. It’s best to blame yourself, don’t succeed, let their children dump them. Well, let’s accept their dreams Ukraine to the EU (this is absolutely impossible, but that’s exactly what the Maidan leaders promise them). From their point of view, Yanukovych committed a terrible crime, stopped moving towards their dream. It is clear that no rational arguments will affect them.
    This "Euro-dream" appeared both as a result of the brainwashing of the media, and, above all, because of the grave shock that arose as a result of market reforms in independent Ukraine. Let me remind you that by the beginning of the 90s, the majority of the population of Ukraine (including the Russian population) looked quite optimistic for the future of an independent capitalist Ukraine.
    It was all the harder for them to face the real results of market reforms. The idea of ​​an independent, rich Ukraine vanished like smoke, then the media put their main "national idea" into the heads of the inhabitants of Ukraine - it was necessary to push Ukraine into Europe by any means and at any cost. the European pan-he will come to teach us how to live, and will make us "like in Europe." Well, for now, it is necessary, if possible, to dump to the West on an individual basis.
    Naturally, the movement towards Russia began to be perceived as a movement from Europe, as something destroying the main national dream, especially since Russia itself suffered from the same problems as Ukraine (albeit on a smaller scale), and against the background of media pictures about "Western life "looked completely unattractive.
    The situation is aggravated by the complete inaction of the Russian authorities towards Ukraine. With the exception of influence in purely economic matters, capitalist Russia, either due to its own weakness, or due to some erroneous attitudes, does not even want to have any real impact on social processes in Ukraine.
    Naturally, nothing can prevent nationalist and "European" propaganda from forging Russians into Russophobic Ukrainians.
  • Orik
    Orik 27 January 2014 09: 26
    +5
    For some reason, everyone did not notice the main message of the article. The author rightly does not rest on an ever-changing change in the worldview of Russians in Ukraine, especially youth. The thread connecting our peoples is breaking, this is the main trouble. Yanek appears in it as one of the factors of the gap, no one even thought that he was a staunch patriot, his elected phraseology was just a flag under which his clan went to power.
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 27 January 2014 09: 34
    +2
    Means war... hi
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 27 January 2014 09: 37
    +3
    We must not drive the Maidan, but all of Ukraine together. And a fiction called the state of Ukraine has long been needed no one needs. It is better to let 1000 people die, but Ukraine will remain only on the outskirts of Galicia than millions simply during the existence of this madhouse, which, as practice shows, can last for decades.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 27 January 2014 09: 55
    +3
    After 23 years of the independence of Ukraine, it becomes clear that the centuries-old dream of Ukrainians is a well-fed feeding trough
    in a European stall. The youth of the former Union countries, with brainwashed, are not able to understand that in Europe they will have to live by the laws. And now, walk and crumble, for the sake of a century-old dream.
    Russian-speaking Ukrainians also have no cementing bases for orientation, there is no sense of being.
    The older generation is gradually leaving, and young people live according to their own ideas. This gap between generations is the fundamental factor in the Ukrainian revolt.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 27 January 2014 09: 55
    +6
    23 of the year in cities with population over one million people, where 95% of the population speaks Russian, Russian-language history of Ukraine was taught in Russian-language schools, where tsarist Russia oppressed Little Russia first, then bloody Soviet Russia killed Ukraine with a famine and the Gulag. And not a single textbook of Russian history as a counterweight (so that pupils and students themselves choose whose version is preferable).

    Even if there was no "new history" of Ukraine, the programs of the Russian media, with their false hysterical anti-Soviet propaganda and zoological infernal anti-Stalinism, would have been enough to inflate Russophobia.
    Crowds of Svanidzeys, Melechins and other Judas openly pour mud on the USSR, accuse Stalin and Lenin of fictitious crimes, and the nationalists in the former Soviet republics only need this.
    Enemies do not even have to strain their brains, it is enough to quote the Russian media and the press.
    The destalinizers, with their fictional GULAG and "Stalinist repressions", aimed at Lenin and Stalin, and struck at Ukraine and Russia, to the delight of the Yankees and the unfinished Bandera.
  • acute
    acute 27 January 2014 09: 56
    -2
    The scenario of Ukraine is the future of Russia. Usurpation of power and natural income, trampling into the mud of the past, loss of last friends (Belarus), impoverishment of the population. The components are the same. But everything will develop longer and more painfully. The Russian authorities managed to create a safety cushion in the form of police and army (look at how salaries increased, they got housing) here the fight will be tougher and bloodier. Russians in Russia were driven to the position of an auxiliary worker serving the administration, Caucasian tough guys, cops, etc., who believe that people live so that they live well
    1. acute
      acute 27 January 2014 11: 20
      0
      Guys. what do you dislike here, that the situation is similar?
    2. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 27 January 2014 13: 01
      0
      Quote: akut
      The Russian authorities managed to create a safety cushion in the form of police and army (look at how salaries increased, they got housing) here the fight will be tougher and bloodier. Russians in Russia were driven to the position of an auxiliary worker serving the administration, Caucasian tough guys, cops, etc., who believe that people live so that they live well

      And here it is to the very point, I about the airbag, but I would not want blood ...
      1. kris
        kris 27 January 2014 13: 22
        -1
        Quote: Nikoha.2010
        Quote: akut
        The Russian authorities managed to create a safety cushion in the form of police and army (look at how salaries increased, they got housing) here the fight will be tougher and bloodier. Russians in Russia were driven to the position of an auxiliary worker serving the administration, Caucasian tough guys, cops, etc., who believe that people live so that they live well

        And here it is to the very point, I about the airbag, but I would not want blood ...

        and I think about it. but I don’t know how to restore order bloodlessly!
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 27 January 2014 10: 01
    +1
    A very interesting idea that the West gave Yanukovych a victory, so that the people of Ukraine once again plunged into the "free 90s", in other words, plunged face into Mr., and since Yanukovych seemed to personify the pro-Russian version, people looked looked and realized that they were not on their way with Russia. And let's think, what can we offer Ukraine in Russia? Crooks and thieves from United Russia? Why the hell do Ukrainians need them? The West offers a Myth, a beautiful Myth about a “Civilized family ", it is clear that this is nonsense, it is clear that this will not happen, but there is no other choice. Here I tried to look at the situation through the eyes of some ordinary Ukrainian of my age, that is. For 24 years, I no longer know about any "brotherhood of the peoples of the USSR", I have heard something, but this is an empty phrase for me, I see the collapse of state power, I see that a thief is in the presidential chair, etc. So why the hell was this Russia of yours given to me? Why do I still need Russian thieves-oligarchs, when they are sitting on their necks? Well, Russia would have some Idea-Ideology, well, there is "Proletarians of all countries, unite" , oh well, or “We are Aryans, join the Aryan race!” Yes, perhaps one could think of a “Bright future”, but there is no ideology, the president looks dull, something hums about the “Customs Union”, no enthusiasm , no advertising, even here I have a thought as a citizen of Russia: "Wouldn't you fucking catch butterflies with your Customs Union", and what can we say about other countries?
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 January 2014 11: 25
      +1
      Quote: Standard Oil
      let's think, what can we offer Ukraine in Russia?

      What a misunderstanding such an approach! What to offer, who will give more ...
      The inhabitants of this country, as it is now being discovered, of the brainchild of the collapse of the USSR, which is not viable in the state plan, must themselves "offer" decent working and living conditions. We must "vaccinate" ourselves against nationalist pride (tse Europe, glory to the heroes), which has sucked in many, and not kiss Banderlog in the ass.
      In my personal opinion, which, of course, does not pretend to be the ultimate truth, these very inhabitants, led by their leaders, should divide territorially honestly (according to historical and cultural characteristics) and live and "walk each on his own."
      At first, it may be in the form of a federation, and then as best.
      Crimea, Donbass, Krivbass, Dnepropetrovsk should make their choice.
      And, in general, they correctly say that history repeats itself, the Ruin is on the threshold. But you can get by with a little blood. But completely bloodless is unlikely.
      To paraphrase Bonoparte, the banderlosy people are greatly afraid only of buckshot. yes
      1. acute
        acute 27 January 2014 12: 12
        0
        As a state, Ukraine has never been independent. This is their misfortune and fate. The people of Ukraine are waiting for manna from heaven and want to live independently, independently, but it does not work out. From here (as in Germany in 1933) there is a restrained sense of self-consciousness, overwhelming the soul of everyone. A sense of national pride boils over and becomes a feeling of national chauvinism. you listen to Tyagnibok. He scolds everyone and the Poles and the Jews and the Russians and Germans. Everyone is to blame. This feeling manifests itself when a person is spread rot for a long time, especially in childhood. He becomes flawed and at one moment all his senses spill out (boiled) and off we go. If he is not stopped on time, then write is gone. Tyagnibok did not stop. In general, he is flawed
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 27 January 2014 10: 02
    +2
    site visitors from Ukraine!
    Pragmatic business, in the light of current events, will be the purchase of gas cutting equipment.
    Soon, I think, the percentage of contracting and subcontracting for cutting industrial equipment in Ukraine will rise to heaven!
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  • sinukvl
    sinukvl 27 January 2014 10: 21
    +2
    What I "like" about the Ukrainian brothers is the position "Help Russia", and try to answer the Hutsuls ourselves poorly? In order for a neighbor to help with trouble, first of all, he must start to deal with the trouble himself, then the neighbor will catch up, otherwise we get an interesting position, but we are in no hurry to deal with it, so the neighbor will come and do everything for us.
  • kind
    kind 27 January 2014 10: 48
    +3
    The most offensive for ordinary Ukrainians is that even if Ukraine enters the European Union, they will be considered there as third-class people, and they will be called Russian, like all citizens of the former USSR. People of the second grade are the same wild Galicians. In the understanding of Europe, they will never become Europeans.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 27 January 2014 10: 52
    0
    Russia may face reality when NATO troops are based in 100 km. from Bryansk. Therefore, I must take control of the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine in order to push these borders. Well, Kiev is probably already lost. I scratched my head for a long time, thinking. V. Putin also missed this situation.
    1. oscar