Ten Sakhalin border guards sank near Kunashir Island

Ten officers of the Sakhalin Border Guard Department of the Federal Security Service of Russia sank near the Kuril island of Kunashir. They went to sea in a rubber boat to moor at a border vessel awaiting the landing of people. However, the waves overturned their boat, the border guards could not sail. It is not known whether they were wearing life jackets, ITAR-TASS.
The height of the wave in the bay of Yuzhno-Kurilsk, where the emergency occurred, did not exceed one meter, there was no storm. However, in the area there are a lot of currents, therefore only four drowned border guards were found. The bodies of six more dead have not yet been found, they are searched for with the help of a helicopter and several ships.

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[andrei332809]

"It is unknown if they were wearing life jackets,"
this is completely incomprehensible! in some previous topic, he already wrote (call me) that the events were somehow dimly covered.

[major071]

Borders - eternal memory! Sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

[Arberes]

Quote: major071

Borders - eternal memory! Sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

I am joining. My most sincere condolences. Everything was so ridiculous and scary.

[does it]

Quote: Arberes

Quote: major071
Borders - eternal memory! Sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.
I am joining. My most sincere condolences. Everything was so ridiculous and scary.

This is so clear! The question is, why didn’t they save the vests? And if there were then why did they drown?

[Refund_SSSR]

Quote: kvirit

why were they not saved vests?

Do you imagine what water is +2 degrees? How long would they live in vests?
It’s like winter here ...
Another question, Why should the Pagrans in difficult ice conditions go out to sea on a rubber boat? This is really a question! And not even a question! - It is a crime! Who was going to scam? The border guards themselves went for fish, or their superiors? 100% for smelt and saffron sailed. There are no other reasons for going out on a boat!
Those who were not in Sakhalin and the islands in winter - this is not to understand ...

[Refund_SSSR]

For those who are not in the subject, and in Russia, travel:
Ice, even fragments, finely crumbles plastic, wooden and especially rubber boats, so that literally in a split second only memories remain from the boat. Not one normal person, on a rubber boat will not go to sea among the ice! If you add to all this at least not a big wave, then a person simply does not have any chances!
Those fools who write about vests were obviously happy in the Crimea, otherwise it is impossible to explain what ice water is! WHICH VEST? 2 minutes and the man in the vest is hlanyi-corpse!
An order to go to sea in a rubber boat is a crime! And the culprit must answer under the article "KILLING TWO AND MORE PERSONS"!

[andrei332809]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Those fools who write about vests were obviously happy in the Crimea, otherwise it is impossible to explain what ice water is!

what is ice water, as if I know. but life jackets should be required. yes, if you don’t pull the person in time, he will freeze. but at least it will be possible to get a corpse and bury, as befits. of course, little comfort, but still ...

[S_mirnov]

[quote = andrei332809] [quote = Return_SSSR] Those fools who write about vests were obviously happy in the Crimea, otherwise it is impossible to explain what ice water is! [/ quote]
In a country in which the main thing is money (it's not even capitalism - colonialism, probably) - a person's life is very cheap. Many people think that they are stealing up there, but I am out of politics! "It's none of my business, how I will live." And then comes trouble, which concerns you personally and your loved ones, and the rest are also "outside politics."
The Russians know how to unite, history knows examples, but apparently The misfortune that could reach everyone has not happened yet!
The guilty as usual will not be punished, they will appoint a switchman ... And we will continue to live on, pretending that nothing happened (Krymsk, Sayano-Shushenskaya, apl Kursk). If there wasn’t war, the main thing is stability!

ps I recommend those thinking to watch Fursov’s speech, very informative, off topic, but really interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BWrCvO-lWk

[ty60]

That’s what I wrote. Sludge for gum like a mine. On the Volga autumn passed. The author of this sortie should sit.

[Cynic]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

2 minutes and a man in a hlan-corpse vest

Usually they talk about 10 ... 15 minutes at plus two celsius.
We will not talk about exceptions, in one direction or the other.
Alas, there is essentially no chance of surviving, but not finding them?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

An order to go to sea in a rubber boat is a crime! And the culprit must answer under the article "KILLING TWO AND MORE PERSONS"!

It’s absolutely true to read wildly similar news - when people out of the blue for no reason intelligible die. We recently also had a boat of border guards overturned, without dead - but right there shoulder straps flew from those who sent a small boat on patrol in stormy weather. Those guilty of this MUST be punished - otherwise people will suffer again, this is an axiom. Memory to the guys.

[roller2]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Ice, even fragments, finely crumbles plastic, wooden and especially rubber boats, so that literally in a split second only memories remain from the boat.

Maybe so, but the boat turned over. Different sources write differently
Version 1
Landed on the ship.
Was it an inspection lot ?, according to instructions, it should be in vests and equipment, in this case 10 people per boat is too much, was there no second boat? Or did they decide what would carry? Then here is the fault of the senior group, but you won’t ask him anymore.

Version 2
They sailed to land on a border ship that was expecting people to land.
Why did you sail? when should the ship be about to moor? Why again in the same boat? Who sent? What for? In this case, the perpetrator must pay.
It’s a pity the boys died stupidly. Eternal memory to them.

[Free Island]

the vest in this situation solely so that it would be easier to find the corpse later (((((((((((((at such a distance from the coast, even in summer, they die in vests about the winter, especially in the Kuril Islands I’m silent ((

[EdwardTich68]

Not two minutes and a corpse, but about 4-5 minutes and a person falls into a stupor and falls asleep forever after ten minutes.

[lelikas]

According to the Investigative Committee, on January 24, a border patrol ship was detained for the illegal catch in the territorial waters of Russia by the Astor vessel flying the flag of the Republic of Sierra Leone. Both ships anchored. For inspection, a boat was lowered from the patrol border ship, on which there were seven members of the security inspection team. Later, on the same boat, she took on board three more employees of the South Kuril zonal inspection of the FSB FSB of Russia in the Sakhalin Region. Then the ship went to the detained vessel for inspection. After some time, communication with them disappeared. According to LifeNews, along the route the boat lifted in a wave and she rolled over.

Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/news/250124-fsb-podtverdila-gibel-10-pogranichnikov-u-yuzhn
ykh-kuril

All this was at 22 o’clock - in conditions of poor visibility, why the extra three people got into the boat is not clear.
It is a pity for men - their eternal memory.

[Cynic]

Quote: lelikas

All this was at 22 hours - in conditions of poor visibility

Through press ... the entire crew of this Astor, led by the captain, will immediately become more clear!

[Cynic]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Do you imagine what water is +2 degrees? How long would they live in vests?

And again, the question of the turbidity of the lighting of death!
Drown and die from hypothermia are completely different things!
Although

Quote: ITAR-TASS

only four drowned border guards were found. The bodies of six more dead have not yet been found; they are being searched for with a helicopter and several ships.

Looking for so much time guys in life jackets?

[roller2]

Quote: Cynic

Looking for so much time guys in life jackets?

When an inspection group lands, it pulls on itself not only saved the vests, but also weapons, unloading with special means, sometimes a dog, laptop, endoscope, etc. they simply could not fit in the 10th rum, and for this they took off their vests.

[Cynic]

Quote: rolik2

and for this take off the vests.

Exactly !
Guesses, assumptions, such and such speculations.
Our various media outlets with their complete contempt for the reader _
Crowed, and there at least do not dawn!

[Combitor]

Quote: rolik2

Quote: Cynic

Looking for so much time guys in life jackets?

When an inspection group lands, it pulls on itself not only saved the vests, but also weapons, unloading with special means, sometimes a dog, laptop, endoscope, etc. they simply could not fit in the 10th rum, and for this they took off their vests.

Moreover, it is not clear why so many people with so many equipment and gear used a rubber boat?
For such purposes, there are special boats, boats and boats.
"Rubber bands" are usually used by assault teams to quickly and, if possible, covertly deliver the capture team.
I repeat once again: the dark is something in this whole story.

[roller2]

Quote: Kombitor

Moreover, it is not clear why so many people with so many equipment and gear used a rubber boat?

Because they don’t hold others on ships

[Combitor]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Another question is, why should the Pagrans in difficult ice conditions go out to sea on a rubber boat?

Here is a small excerpt:
“It was established that yesterday a border patrol ship detained the Astor vessel flying the flag of the Republic of Sierra Leone for illegal catch in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. Both ships anchored. the floating craft took on board three more employees of the South Kuril zonal inspection of the FSB of Russia in the Sakhalin region. Then the craft went to the detained vessel for inspection. After some time, communication with them was lost. " IA Sakh com. 25.01.14/XNUMX/XNUMX
It turns out that from the border ship, the rubber boat with people went to the shore, took on board more employees and then headed to the detained ship. Some kind of boat trip turns out. And this is in winter, with a wave, in a crowded rubber boat, at night. Apparently, it is customary for the border guards of Yuzhno-Kurilsk to drive around the roadstead in crowded "rubber bands" in the autumn-winter period in conditions of difficult navigation. I had to be "tied" to the sea for a very long time. In our country, the guard would lay down with bones across the lines, but he would not let the boat go. There is something dark about this whole story.
It is terrible that as a result of all this criminal racket, people died. But what is worse is that the next time an order arrives again and again - an overcrowded rubber boat, winter, a long distance, excitement at sea, and there it will take out like a curve.

[Marconi41]

Everything is simple. Border guards' funds for disembarking from their ship to ships subject to inspection - a rubber boat with a plastic (duralumin) bottom. Other delivery vehicles such as boats are not used. when approaching a ship at sea, they are very hard hit on board. It is unlikely that the ice had any effect here, most likely turned over in the wave. By the way, all sea border guards have unified, floating overalls (the envy of the Navy), so the version of life jackets is far-fetched.

[Free Island]

yes no .. I understand when salmon, but Navaga, you know it yourself, fellow countryman, because of it you won’t rush into the sea on an elastic band in winter, not the same product ((((I have a friend there under the contract .... .the third day does not answer the phone and doesn’t appear on the Internet ... where to look at the names of the victims? otherwise I’ve been on the third day on my nerve and have nobody to find out (((
PS - at the expense of going out at night with such a crowd on an elastic band, I myself am at a loss .....

[colonel manuch]

In vests, in water + 2 degrees Celsius, they could last 7-9 minutes, this is enough to raise the guys on board. ETERNAL MEMORY OF GUYS, and the perpetrators must answer in all severity. Unfortunately, there were such cases in the distant eighties.

[Salamander]

Quote: major071

Borders - eternal memory! Sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

I support - their eternal memory!

But it is somehow unlikely - the boat capsized itself and no one survived. Something is wrong here ... It's the FSB, which means they were more or less well prepared and equipped. The place is restless, so expect provocations! And all ten drowned! No one can confirm that everything happened "naturally". And the boat was large enough (for 10 people), which means the risk of capsizing "just like that" - at a minimum ...

I do not build "conspiracy" versions, it is just insulting and incomprehensible - ten border guards (FSB) were taken - and drowned! Just!

[ty60]

the guys fulfilled their duty to the end. Eternal memory to them! while loading, turn over the wave, the person is lying. He hides his ass. And life jackets are obligatory! Who didn’t check? Who gave the command to sail? LAND FOR A LONG TIME!

[Cherdak]

Quote: major071

Borders - eternal memory!

[ty60]

DIRECT MANAGER is felling.

[Siberian German]

again negligence and neglect of TB

[ShturmKGB]

Vests most likely were, only in icy water a person can for a long time, and even underwater currents were ... condolences to relatives and friends!

[zanoza]

ShturmKGB

only in icy water a person cannot

YOU are right, the vests would not have saved them anyway. Having found four, you could not determine whether the vests saved them? Strange message.

[Civil]

Rubber boat, no materiel again

[abdrah]

In fact, the guys’s boats were not quite rubber, but from pvc they were rather multi-layer, high pressure with a hard bottom and keel specially designed for this, since 10 people could not be put into the rubber and standing. in hardness, like a car wheel, this is not a dive or omega for fishing on a small lake in the middle lane. But what happened is, of course, a tragedy in which the relevant services must figure out, punish those responsible and reduce such incidents to zero.

[Nick]

Quote: andrei332809

"It is unknown if they were wearing life jackets,"

Well, how so ?! On an inflatable boat! In the sea without vests!
After all, it’s said - God saves God ...
..... Eternal memory to the dead and condolences to all loved ones! ...

[Cynic]

Quote: andrei332809

that is dimly somehow lit

Exactly what is muddy!
Once drowned, it is clear that there were no vests, unfortunately.
Perhaps and probably! One of our ancient companions!
I don’t even want to think about anything else.

Eternal memory to the guys!

[Sakhalininsk]

Everlasting memory!
I personally knew some of the dead, they were worthy people.

[APASUS]

What vests?
At least someone tried to swim in clothes at least 200 meters with a machine gun and a pouch?
Not a single vest will save in a similar situation, it is worthwhile to clarify the circumstances with the utmost precision.
Memory for boys and strength to parents!

[invisibility]

Guys are military! Take care of yourself! We need you!
Eternal memory. Sincere condolences to the family.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Well, your mother ... in peacetime ... those responsible for such recklessness - to answer! and ... such familiar condolences to the relatives and friends of the border guards.

[sub307]

Precisely, they gave out some dregs. If the body, even if not all, without vests, then they did not put on. And then "it is not known".

[AK-47]

Condolences to the family, it is a pity that so stupidly people perish in peacetime.

[vjatsergey]

sorry for mothers and fathers, ten mothers and ten fathers will not wait for their sons

[Apollo]

quote - Near the Kuril island of Kunashir, ten officers of the Sakhalin border control of the FSB of Russia drowned.


My condolences to the family and friends of the FSB administration.

[Heccrbq.3]

Someone should sit 100 percent.

[Refund_SSSR]

In vain you are minus! The one who gave the order to go to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk in winter on a rubber boat does not need to be planted, but shot!
Well, or on the boat itself and in the ice ...

[usax]

Sail out near Hokkaido .. Condolences to the family ..

[Combitor]

Quote: usax

Sail out near Hokkaido .. Condolences to the family.

The first half of your comment is simply inappropriate in this situation.

[Takashi]

some nonsense. Why were no means released from the ship? Instead of life jackets, were they wearing bulletproof vests? why 10 people? it’s a motor-frame, but not a rubber motor boat.

[Combitor]

Quote: Takashi

Why were no means released from the ship?

They seem to have been sent from the coast. And from the ship to which they were heading, they could simply not notice and not hear. In winter, in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, no one just walks on deck. And the noise from the waves will block any scream. Watch on the bridge and all. And if it was an inspection team, then they probably went without navigation lights. Surely they gave the order to approach secretly. And what kind of running lights on a rubber boat.

[Ruswolf]

In winter, in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, no one just walks on deck.

I want to fix
The South Kuril raid is open to the Ocean Wave. Sea of ​​Okhotsk on the opposite coast of Kunashir.
The ocean wave rolls there constantly at almost equal intervals.
The boats probably did not hear the waves and put the boat on board. And the panic!

[domokl]

The scouts have the concept of blurring their eyes. It’s like you look, but you don’t see ... Like in a still frame ... Probably the same thing exists among sailors .. Hundreds of times landed and sank in this way, that’s gotten blurry ... Nothing sort of unusual. And then the tragedy ... It is a pity. It's a shame for such victims here only ...
May they rest in peace ...

[Corsair5912]

Cautious fighters do not cry mothers.
There are clear rules of conduct at sea, neglect of them is life threatening.
Eternal memory to our guys and shame on their commanders.

[Combitor]

I live on Sakhalin. The information we have about this tragedy is contradictory. The local forum also has information that it was an inspection team that was sent to the vessel to check it for poaching.
But be that as it may, what forcemeat instead of brains is in the heads of the dead guys in their heads to send them to the winter sea in a rubber boat (eight-seater), and there were significantly more of them for 600 meters. What was the need for this? Report to the higher authorities about the capture of poachers? Really there were no more reliable watercraft. Reported ...
And about life jackets. Winter in seawater: 2 minutes - hypothermia and death ... In that situation, they had no chance to stay alive. Still, these are not southern seas. The waters of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk are not for winter swimming.
We hope that this case will not be "let on the brakes", and our "humane" Criminal Code will allow the perpetrators of this tragedy to be put on prison uniforms. Although, most likely, high ranks will remain with their interest, and some regular "switchman" will be to blame.
Mourn for the dead. Condolences to the family.

[Botanologist]

The sea of ​​rush does not forgive.
Let's drink in silence.

[Chertkov Oleg]

He served in Kunashir in the military forces at the beginning of the 90x, nothing has changed in the means of delivery. Eternal memory to the guys!

Where there is a feat of one, there is a correction of the stupidity of another.

[Generalissimus]

In the search group, they repeatedly landed in the Baltic in winter, and it was once in a 4-ball storm. True, not on a rubber boat, but on an ordinary "motorboat".
And never once wore lifejackets. However, safety belts have never been worn, although when climbing the masts (on some ships they looked like you would fall, you would fall over the deck; you would lower your arms on the brackets in the upper meters, and even fear - the bracket would suddenly rot) it was kind of like a must.

I don’t know if there have been any changes in the instructions for the past 25 years ..

Just the guys are terribly unlucky. Sorry for the boys.

[Combitor]

Botanologist (1) RU, human death is a tragedy. But you can understand when they die protecting their home, relatives, their homeland. In the name of what did these guys die? Why were they sent to that ship? To fix the poaching and find a couple of tons of crab or how many kilograms of sea urchin there? Is it really worth the lives of our border guards? Stupid, tragic, meaningless death in the name of nothing.

[Botanologist]

Quote: Kombitor

Why were they sent to that ship?

In 1995, five people died the same way. They went to sea and did not return. After 3 days, he was washed ashore. Weapons in holsters, that is, the situation was not with poachers. What happened? Nobody knows. And no one will ever know. Why did they die? Probably, for the sake of what, but we will not ask them.
Once again - the sea of ​​mistakes does not forgive. And the North Sea will not forgive even negligence. They will find the guilty, but no one will return the guys.

[Combitor]

Quote: Botanologist

the sea of ​​mistakes does not forgive. And the North Sea will not forgive even negligence. They will find the guilty, but no one will return the guys.

+ + +

[colonel manuch]

I completely agree with you, I am familiar with this problem. If you were detained and there was a need for inspection, they usually escorted to the shore. TB is always necessary if the commander is not ....., you must comply.

[avg]

it was an inspection team that was sent to the ship to check it for poaching.

Every time you receive such tragic messages, like a butt on the head, you think, Lord, how much you can.
Our Russian carelessness, multiplied by the stupidity of the authorities is already known throughout the world.
In order to break this, the most cruel measures are needed, and while security measures are violated under the nose of the minister (tank biathlon), there will be no sense.
We grieve for the guys. It is important that their death is framed, as the execution of b / s.

[Shurik]

Border guards do not report to the Minister of Defense

[avg]

Quote: Schurik

Border guards do not report to the Minister of Defense

Goat understand. The Shoigu example is shown as a blatant fact.

[ty60]

As for b / z, the greater the resonance, the greater the chances. However, as always, the safety rules written by BLOOD are not fulfilled. Do not turn on the brains, turn on the brains, fathers-commanders!

[Evil Pole]

In what area did it happen? If Okhotsk and Tunaycha then it is clear who rules the ball.

[DPN]

This once again shows that the life of the subordinate is not worth anything. It seems at first the task was to drown them, and then show the full power of the rescue operation. There were immediately helicopters and ships, and there were a million paper ones. Those guilty of this crime must be taken overboard into ice water themselves. And then to the eternal settlement with polar bears, unless of course they survive after swimming in sea water. Each must respond to his deed.
The border guards, of course, are very sorry. I do not want to think that they decided to scorch.

[DPN]

Thanks for the cons, I do not mind, and which of YOU would like to be in their PLACE. ??

[Cynic]

Quote: DPN

It seems at first the task was to drown them

This is life and a very real human grief, and here you want to do more painful living with your dirty theories?

Quote: DPN

and who of YOU would like to be in their PLACE. ??

Here you wouldn’t be there anyway, either by chance or by chance.
And they would turn out, they would not have taken them with you.

[Botanologist]

Quote: DPN

and who of YOU would like to be in their PLACE. ??

I was a long time ago in a search team at KRV. And you know, none of the guys shouted "ah, the sea is agitated once, ah, it takes a long time to sail to the ship for two, ah, the water is wet three, and the boss is deb-il four." We just did what we had to do, that's all.
And to be in the water - one spit. Starting from a minder, a fool, and ending with a wave that "took on board." In the end, he just slipped. SO WHAT?
Look for the guilty - favorite Russian fun. Just what, who will help?

[awg75]

people did their duty. on such as they are held by Russia. Eternal memory to you guys ...

[optimist]

Eternal memory to guys !!! He himself served in the 16th Kunashir PZ in the late 80s, the climate was harsh ... In those days, commanders did not allow such garbage ....

[Slavasedinin]

Nonsense.

[mountain]

Sorry for mothers, fathers, relatives. Condolences in a place with everyone.
Perpetrators should not evade responsibility.

[alone]

My condolences to the families of the dead.

But to understand what happened is simply necessary. To send people on a rubber boat in such circumstances, not taking into account force majeure circumstances is a crime.

[Botanologist]

Quote: lonely

send people on a rubber boat in such circumstances, not taking into account force majeure circumstances - a crime

This, I want to note, is a common practice in all fleets of the world. The inspection team arrives on board a boat, usually a rubber boat. But if it is Fujikura or Toshiba with a keel and two motors, with two sides - this is, believe me, a much more serious floating craft than "kazanki" or "Progress". In any case, the Americans came to us in Kamchatka on such boats, and they were always strict with this. And you can drown in the sea in any weather and under any circumstances.

[samoletil18]

Everlasting memory. Sincere condolences to the families of the victims.

[patsantre]

What kind of clever people are minus an article? Is the author of the article drowned of some kind of border guards? Is he to blame? Maybe the information is unreliable, then deny it! He just brought the information, you are dominating, Internet warriors, and only patriotic articles about how our all times **** and, but there will be no news and real coverage of events.

[ty60]

Let's be more tolerant of someone else’s opinion. I didn’t minus. I need to think about it, a person brought up a new topic for discussion. If there is no opinion in the info, what’s minus? Only the opinion of the site participants is subject to evaluation. The source, I think it’s positive that the first said. And his comments are probably better to set out separately. In another post. I think it will be more correct.

[patsantre]

So I'm just about that.

[jjj]

God rest, sinful souls in your kingdom!
A little on the topic. Ten people for the inspection team is an incredible value. The PSKR will not be included in the regular small-sized floating craft. And the ship commander will never allow such liberty. Apparently, there was an attempt to transport people to the shore. Even if we assume that the craft would be of the YaL-6 type, then even a gust of wind, even with an overload, will not turn it over. But now we have gone along the western route, and everywhere there are small boats with inflatable balloons. Yes, speed, yes, lightness, but purely in my opinion, they are of little use for mass use as part of the Coast Guard forces of the FSB and the Navy. To understand an ordinary person who is not familiar with the peculiarities, I would like to propose to revise the eloquent footage of actions at the Prirazlomnaya platform, when the boat - and this is the case - from a border ship is practically powerless against two of the same inflatable violators. There the outcome of the matter was decided by the opening of fire and the helicopter landing. In Soviet times, normal metal boats were the standard small vessels on the sides of the border ships. And even the baby LM-4 looks like a battleship in comparison with the current inflatable boats.

[coserg 2012]

It’s not clear why he anchored, and only then sent the inspection team? He had to get as close to the detainee as possible, go to the drift, lower the craft, make sure that they reached and got on board and only then gets anchored. Something here not so. In any case, very sad. Great sorrow for relatives, condolences.

[Botanologist]

Quote: coserg 2012

Another thing is not clear, why did he anchor and only then send an inspection team? He had to get as close to the detainee as possible, go to the drift, lower the craft, make sure that they got in and got on board and only then gets anchored.

I doubt that they generally became anchored. Rather, the journalists messed up. And about coming closer - this is from the situation. Maybe they stopped near the networks, maybe the excitement didn’t allow, maybe the flow was going on ... A thousand reasons maybe.

[Botanologist]

Quote: jjj

Ten people for the inspection group - an incredible amount.

I agree. Maybe some of the passengers were ichthyologists and fish farmers? They love it.

Quote: jjj

In Soviet times, regular metal boats were the standard small boats on board the border ships. And even the kid LM-4 in comparison with current inflatable boats looks like a battleship

How to say. If you are worried, Fujikura can be safely taken on board with a standard winch, and your LM-4 will beat against the side until it gets water or bursts. And the speed and buoyancy are "slightly" different. I'm not even talking about the opportunity to approach the shore. He pulled the inflatable one onto the laiba and smoked bamboo, and with the LM-4 either on the sand in the calm, or not at all.

[Gur]

Sincere condolences to the families of the victims.
Now, the ranks will start frantically buying boats ...

[marshes]

I offer my condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

[bubla5]

Something looks like a fairy tale, then something else happened, usually the inspection team is always in life jackets

[Thirsty for wind]

What a horror.

[Prapor-527]

Sorry for the guys. Everlasting memory!...

[ZU-23]

Eternal memory to the fighters! Well, something is not clean here, I want to release evil somewhere.

[Kibalchish]

Surely there was a criminal order from the commander. Now he is silent like a fish, so as not to rattle. And those who could say something were in that boat

[Rodriques]

The ship’s commander, of course, was a rare, stupid man who didn’t watch, missed ... he clicked, everything could be, but he admitted, and that’s a fact, he’ll have to answer.

[svp67]

My condolences...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Losses are going .. strange .. Condolences .. It is necessary to understand seriously.

[Rodriques]

Everlasting memory! Condolences.

This year, as it turned out, there was no font for baptism, I had to go into the river to the depth of stones, after a minute I no longer felt my fingers and my feet began to go numb ...... the conclusion is obvious.

Guys without life jackets and QUICK help were doomed. Dismiss commanders without a pension and an apartment. What will be done soon, I am sure.

[ty60]

That's right - to dismiss without a pension, to deprive of all awards and a long period of time - without the right of pardon. Amnesties such cases should NOT be subject to initially.

[santush]

Well, how is it that they were without life jackets? TRAGEDY! The kingdom of heaven to them! Earth in fluff!

[Botanologist]

Quote: santush

What were they without life jackets?

And how will a life jacket help you at a water temperature of 2 degrees? If, when falling overboard, your heart did not stop from shock, then after three minutes your kidneys fail, and after five you are guaranteed a corpse. Hypothermia.

[Evgeniy667b]

You will not return people, the Kingdom of heaven to them and the repose of the Soul!
About boats. Airboats also make them PVC of inflators, reinforce the bottom with 4-5 mm sheet polyethylene. But they walk not only on water and broken ice, but also on pebble sand, too, they take ice edges.

[Sergey S.]

I read and ... there was no desire to comment.
Everyone understands what may happen in a situation when they send him ...
And the peasant cannot refuse: the order, subordination, and the ambition does not allow to complain.

But how will their commanders now look people in the eye?
To each other - of course, they can.
But it’s just that people who are kind and smart, they don’t forgive meanness and cowardice, and even with petty stupidity.

And for the dead - the land rest in peace, their relatives deep condolences, and the Meteric authorities would have more conscience, so that in addition to the meager state payments, the families of the victims would be truly present, so that their wives groaned from greed.

PS
I apologize to the wives.
The expression is figurative, showing the limit of the possible.

[Arh]

Until a person is found it is impossible to say dead or alive, it is better to hope for the best that the remaining border guards will survive! ! !

[demotivator]

It's just incomprehensible to the mind! Just like that, in peacetime, ten lives at once. And again they will not "find" the guilty. I sincerely sympathize with the families of the victims, I am indignant about those specific commanders and chiefs who allowed this.

[jjj]

Clarification came
According to the data of the Investigative Committee, it was established that on the eve of the border patrol ship for illegal catch in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation detained the ship "Astor" under the flag of the Republic of Sierra Leone. Both ships anchored. For inspection, a watercraft with seven servicemen of the inspection group was launched from the border guard ship. Later, the same floating craft took on board three more employees of the Yuzhnokurilskaya zonal inspection of the PU of the FSB of Russia in the Sakhalin region. Then the craft went to the detained vessel for inspection. After some time, contact with them was lost.

At the scene of the tragedy, the search and rescue operations of 8 ships and 2 helicopters continue. According to preliminary data, the overturning of the boat occurred due to powerful gusts of wind.

[wanderer_032]

On "Russian Radio" FM 102,5, about 15 minutes ago, the news reported that this happened yesterday during the landing of a 10-person inspection group on a ship flying the Sierra-Lion flag, which was stopped by the PSKR in our territorial waters. After disembarking on the stopped ship, communication with the search group was lost. It was also reported that all 10 were found.
What with the ship they stopped was not reported.

[ty60]

with such an excitement, it was easier to moor. What prevented?

[wanderer_032]

I wrote my comment because the article says that the guys died allegedly leaving the sea on a boat from Kunashir.
About the fact that in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation a foreign ship was stopped by our PSKR, in this note no gu-gu.
I think they just want to hide the details of this incident.
I don’t think they will tell ordinary people how they really were there. They will try to shut up this topic or lie from three boxes if this does not work out.

[wanderer_032]

And as for the mooring with the ship stopped, you yourself will think about what you would do in the place of Comrade PSKR.
Would you come close to the violating vessel without knowing who is on board and with what intentions?
Would you risk the whole crew and ship?
I think it’s not, if everything is fine with your head. For this, the inspection team is formed and comes up to the offending vessel on a boat or boat, and PSKR covers it, just in case of fire.

[coserg 2012]

It covers, but not at anchor, but drifts nearby and moonlighting as machines and conducting visual observation, so that in which case you should be ready to help (shooting, ramming, boarding, etc.)

[serg2.72]

Everlasting memory! Condolences to the family. He served in 91g in Kamchatka. They were young, but there was always a sense of duty, the border above all. They went for searches in the summer on a boat, often in tow because of the ice in the winter. Almost everyone except the cook and the attendant walked on a tip from the KGB-FSB, and this was with the officer and ensign, 15 people + dog + doctor + 4-5 customs officers. Yes, and especially the Specialists were often. I don’t know what to call heroism or recklessness, climbed in such places, now it’s scary to remember. Yes, and just get on the ladder from the side of the boat, when the ladder is at the feet, and the next moment at eye level. You cling and pull yourself up. No insurance, no vests. You write a lot to the people, now, of course, they have simplified everything, but how to look at the five of us the vessel is much more than 100m and in height, it's scary to watch. Huge floating bases, BMRT, TX (dry cargo ship), tankers .., I don’t remember the time, but we had lunch on the ship. There were also accidents, I remember the container of the sea fell off in Vladik, it seems, the outfit at the gangway 2 people crushed. Once again, eternal memory! and condolences to the family.

[zavesa01]

This you describe raid checks? Especially with DOGS . WHAT unit did you serve?

[tochila]

God rest their warriors in the military service who laid down their lives!

[Ruswolf]

Blame for everything - DISABILITY and AVOS!
No vest in January will save:
hypothermia of the human body can even if the water temperature + 20, a matter of time
For reference, at body temperature + 34 - the phase of loss of consciousness sets in; + 26 death
At water temperature 0; + 2 in a person in ordinary clothes, death occurs in the aisles of 20-30 minutes.

[Botanologist]

Quote: Ruswolf

At water temperature 0; + 2 in a person in ordinary clothes, death occurs in the aisles of 20-30 minutes

You are mistaken, and strongly. I wrote above - either an instant shock with a cardiac arrest, or five minutes.

[Ruswolf]

Botanologist
I wrote above - either an instant shock with a cardiac arrest, or five minutes.

Dear, you provide data taking into account a person without clothes! And people were in jackets.
Plus, do not take into account the moment of the body’s struggle for life!
And the instant shock, in this situation refers more to the psychological factor, the fear that they were entering.
Again, the shock of cold water, as a rule, often causes asphyxiation, (white drowning).

[Cynic]

Dear, let’s not be measured by erudition, huh?
Not time and place, excuse me.

[Ruswolf]

I agree! And I apologize!
No place and no time!

[bpa1949]

Killed in the line of duty. But it was not the excusable stupidity of the one who was obliged to foresee, verify and rule out the possibility of what happened.
Eternal MEMORY. Deep condolences to family and friends.

[archimedes 33]

sincere condolences to the relatives of the deceased when a person falls into the water even if a wave of one meter to the shore disarranges it how to get into the network, it’s not far from the shore and the hands of a terrible death

[Leader]

Quote: jjj

the boat capsized due to powerful gusts of wind.

Yeah, the wind is to blame.
Neither the bosses above, nor the immediate bosses on the ship - who are obliged to make a decision based on the situation ...
Neither the ancient and primitive equipment, nor the stupid organization, nor the lack of security measures, nor the lack of a rescue plan ...
Only the wind is to blame!
You read and marvel at: some kind of nonsense ... (not to jjj)

The death of a military servant in peacetime is unacceptable!
The very fact of death "in execution" is a crime!
Carelessness, "maybe yes, I suppose", low level of training at all levels, irresponsibility and lack of punishment - that's the whole "secret" of every emergency!

[wanderer_032]

Border guards die in peacetime, their eternal memory, a profession they have associated with everyday risk to life.
This is not said for the red words. It is a harsh reality.
Intelligent and experienced guys are assigned to the search team, they’re sent to the inspection team. This is a kind of reconnaissance group of the PSKR. And they always took these to the intelligence officers.
Here the situation is not clear (very little information about what happened) and indiscriminately to blame left and right, everyone and everything here is inappropriate.

[wanderer_032]

In addition, everyone who is assigned to the inspection group, all without exception, is equipped with special vests. And this is a must for everyone without exception.
Then something else happened. It's not about vests, that's for sure.

[Koronik]

Yes, it’s just unbelievable, maybe only in Russia, in winter to send people on a rubber boat ten people per kilometer to the sea?. Lord, will it ever end?
Sincere condolences to the family, although this does not make it any easier for them.

[Botanologist]

Quote: Koronik

maybe only in Russia, in winter to send people on a rubber boat ten people per kilometer at sea ?.

Have you been to Sakhalin at sea? This is a common practice, and not only in Russia. The whole world floats in inflatable boats with a solid keel and high seaworthiness. So do not wring your hands, come in handy.

[DPN]

Quote: Botanologist

The whole world swims in inflatable boats with a solid keel and high seaworthiness

But not in winter and in the northern latitudes. Do not hell confuse life with the movie.

[Leader]

Quote: wanderer_032

their profession is associated with everyday risk to life.
This is not said for the red words. It is a harsh reality.
Intelligent and experienced guys are assigned to the search team, they’re sent to the inspection team. This is a kind of reconnaissance group of the PSKR. And they always took these to the intelligence officers.
to blame indiscriminately from left to right, everyone and everything here is inappropriate.

How much pathos ...
I myself am an inspector with many years of experience; no need to tell me about the "harsh reality".
I repeat: criminal negligence and nothing more! + attempts to hide true and accurate information!

[Cynic]

Quote: Leader

I myself am an inspector with many years of experience

Does not look like .

[Botanologist]

Quote: Leader

I myself am an inspector with many years of experience;

Where did you work?

[zavesa01]

Quote: Leader

I myself am an inspector with many years of experience;

INSPECTION group. Journalists call us examiners. I apologize YOU inspector number (which). Based on the composition of the inspection team.

[jjj]

No, it’s the search team that’s right. And the examination is in the clinic. There are still viewing rooms

[Leshka]

sorry for men

[kelevra]

Sorry for the men! Eternal memory to the border guards!

[DPN]

Quote: optimist

In those days, commanders did not allow such garbage ....

This is the most important thing that they did not allow, but were responsible for the life of the soldiers.

[region46]

recalls the situation of 5 paratroopers blown up at the training ground not so long ago. they didn’t say a word there anymore because of what happened, and here they won’t say either

[PValery53]

Eternal memory to the dead and condolences to all loved ones. The chief, who sent 10 border guards to certain death, should be imprisoned for a long time and taught TB. How we easily manage our lives !.

[zavesa01]

Quote: PValery53

The chief, who sent 10 border guards to certain death, should be imprisoned for a long time and taught TB. How we easily manage our lives !.

Order: inspect in accordance with the situation and weather conditions.
You have decided to postpone the inspection until morning and better weather (wait by the sea for weather).
During this time, poachers threw out the products, put everything in order, they are honest about transport. Prove that YOU are not in collusion with poachers.
They decided to inspect and what happened happened.

What will be your next steps?

[Legacy]

It is a pity that people die again due to negligence.

[DPN]

Quote: Cynic

This is life and a very real human grief,

It is for this grief that the Fathers of the Commander must answer. And who will take whom and where the secondary question.

[Free Island]

in general, I’ll look at it like this - we discussed the vests, squabbled with each other, now I have a question - but no one is considering the option that the pirates simply turned over the border guards???

[Cynic]

Quote: Free Island

did the pirates just turn over the border guards???

Well, I expressed my opinion

Quote: Cynic

Through press ... the entire crew of this Astor, led by the captain, will immediately become more clear!

What's the point?
There are really only violators here, maybe one of them will be able to shed light.

[Bezz]

I feel sorry for someone’s children... They should live and live. After all, this is stupidity, in a rubber ratite boat - in such excitement. A wave of one meter is a lot for such an uncontrollable shell. But the so-called oligarchic Russians are building the most luxurious and largest yachts in the world. Russia has long become a promised land for a handful of nouveau riche and their closest servants. The rest of the population is included in the "" - military, peasant, factory, pension, each with its own stall. Can you think of 10 people? Women are giving birth! That's what the unforgettable Zhukov said! And this is the terrible “Russian truth”!

[Ruswolf]

Free Island
and no one is considering the option that the pirates simply turned over the border guards???

Can you imagine this?
Do you know what a rubber band is with a 40-60 horsepower engine and even with a long stem?
If the information comes at 22:00, then it is quite clear that the boatman did not see and could not get away from the long ocean wave, and put the boat on its side.
The South Kuril roadstead is not illuminated. At this time, boating in the water area is prohibited!
If the ship was detained by a patrolman, then he had to land a guard on the ship to protect the catch and confiscate the ship's papers. All events had to be postponed until 9-00.
But why did someone need to get on the ship at this time, that’s the question.

[zavesa01]

Quote: Ruswolf

had to place a guard on the ship to protect the catch and confiscate the ship's papers.

These functions, along with inspection and, if necessary, escort of the vessel, are performed by the inspection group.

[zavesa01]

What the hell is the raid, lighting, etc. In the PV for 20 years, there are countless landings in the INSPECTION group. YOU tried to climb on board a storm ladder in an inflated life jacket, and it was usually icy, crawling on only your arms. And if there is a sudden snow squall, which happens regularly, and visibility IMMEDIATELY drops to 0m. EVERY trip is a risk, that’s why they make a MINIMUM trip, hence the overload of the boat. Smart people who write about dogs themselves have tried to climb onto a board 10-15 meters high themselves and even drag the dog, no need to drive them. Poaching vessels under a flag of convenience in the territory. they don’t walk in the waters but splash around in the economy zone with a CRAB or HEDGEHOG. The evidence base depends on the speed of disembarkation because 30-40 minutes and there is no longer any product on board, which means it’s not a poacher. For those who are especially zealous, I want to remind you that ORDERS ARE FIRST FOLLOWED AND THEN APPEALED. This is such a service. JUST A COLLECTION OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND NOTHING MORE.

[Ruswolf]

Alexander! I'm sorry of course! But if this is addressed to me,
I assure you, in winter it’s not much more comfortable to climb the ladder to a height of 3mm in a three-bolt jacket (80kg).

[EdwardTich68]

Yes, there were vests just lying around in a heap as usual, the boat capsized, those who were wearing those were found, and those who just grabbed the vest and couldn’t tie it from the cold. People drowned, some of the vests will be found later. Maybe someone will be found who managed to put it on and tie it vest, but I doubt the costs of the profession.

[zavesa01]

For about 5 years now, vests have been attached to the suits of inspection groups. In storm overalls they are sewn in! They just need to be inflated. In an inflated life jacket you look like a Pokemon, there is zero mobility, that’s why we ignore the inflating. In the USSR there were “voyage” vests; self-inflating cylinders were installed there, similar to those used by naval aviation pilots.

[EdwardTich68]

Actually, it’s strange that even such a seemingly reasonable structure as the FSB does not adopt the experience of its neighbors.
For example, the Norwegians have boats that look like they are inflatable and the cavities are filled with polyurethane instead of air,
every inspector is wearing a immersion suit. They jump from helicopters on a winch into a hurricane with a wind of 30 m/sec and still save our people. And no one dies.

[zavesa01]

Did you understand what you wrote or maybe you went out to sea in such a wind?

[hzpfym]

pre-reformed
as they say, every department has its own Serdyukov
from the formidable force that was the KGB of the USSR and the more or less serious structure that was the Federal Border Guard Service of Russia, border guards from 2003 to the present. turned into an incomprehensible organization called the PS FSB of Russia

[Ruswolf]

About the culprits?! Well, they will suspend one or two... and no more.
But the most important thing is that the commanders are able to draw the right conclusions from what happened!
And do everything to ensure that this doesn’t happen again in the future. So that in peacetime children do not remain orphans.
Earth they rest in peace!
Condolences to the relatives!

[admiral]

Which ROCK sent them on a RUBBER BOAT TO THE SEA!

[sinukvl]

Eternal memory to the guys!

[ksh_1982]

Kingdom of heaven guys...

[Leader]

Quote: Botanologist

Where did you work?

I serve in the North-West (there is an inspection, which, if necessary, turns into an inspection. According to the old instructions, there was only an inspection; hence the inspection officers).

Quote: zavesa01

Prove that YOU are not in cahoots with poachers.

But really - you will have to prove that you are not in collusion! In our structure, more precisely, in the country, there is only such an attitude towards our own...
Yes, it’s better to kill 10 people so as not to irritate the command and carry out the order! (sweat or blood of subordinates)
By the way, who was there by rank? Midshipman sailors?

Doesn't such a gesture come to mind? - I won’t risk my people! It’s better to let poachers go unpunished than to send fighters to their deaths! In our FSB PS, the life of a soldier is the main thing! Well, fire me - but I’ll leave with honor! I have the honor!
No, it doesn’t come... Because it’s from the realm of science fiction and Russian TV series.

[Maria222]

Captain 10st rank Vladimir Vladimirovich Shcherbakov, acting head of the Sakhalin border department, at the time of the tragedy with 24 border guards on Kunashir Island on January 2014, 10, who directly supervised the organization of the operation to detain the ship "Astor". Upon completion of the official investigation into the death of XNUMX border guards on Kunashir Island, in this operation he received the highest military rank of Rear Admiral of the Russian Fleet. Rudeness or cynicism towards the fallen Russian Wars on the part of the authorities of the Russian Federation?!