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Fantasy on Maidan theme



The scenario of the collapse of Ukraine may not be so fantastic

What could be the worst scenario for Ukraine in developing a crisis situation in the country? Do the European Union, the United States and Russia intervene? How will the Ukrainian army react? Newspaper VIEW attempted hypothetically to imagine how exactly events on the Maidan could lead, if not disintegration, then to the collapse of a state called Ukraine.

Warn immediately - this is a fantasy genre, close to anti-utopia. And I would very much like that, as described further, it did not happen. But sometimes it is useful to show both hotheads and romantics of every kind of revolution, how and how the carelessly started revolutions in patchwork countries that have not fully settled and firmly on their feet end. And where the transition from real events to fantasy begins - now depends only on the time of day and the choice that certain people make at the forks of political fate.
So.

The situation at the moment does not inspire optimism. In Kiev, parliamentary opposition leaders have practically lost control even over Independence Square, not to mention the militants around it. "Trident" begins to reach the government quarter from the rear along Institutskaya Street. New groups of armed youth appear with unclear political views that seize government buildings and offices on Khreshchatyk, turning them into their headquarters. Barricades grow up around the occupied territory, in some places up to three meters high.

In Kiev, a certain parallel system of power, the so-called People’s is pleased, is announced, but it is not clear by whom and how it controls and what it seeks. The only intelligible slogan uniting all oppositionists and militants is the total resignation of all: the president, government, administration, city hall, the dissolution of parliament.

What is happening already a day in the province, especially in Galicia and Volyn, is certainly not controlled by the Kiev center of the opposition and, it seems, is not at all connected with the stated political slogans. Administrative buildings in Lviv, Ternopil, Rivne, Lutsk, Kovel, and Ivano-Frankivsk are seized by nationalist groups. The siege of authorities began in Chernivtsi and Zhytomyr. The attack on the executive branch in Cherkassy and Poltava is repelled only after the arrival of reinforcements.

The coup in Galicia begins to gain relief and scale. Armed groups are blocking the special division of the SBU "Griffin", which for some reason has chosen for itself the headquarters of a psycho-neurological dispensary. The next step is the armed blockade of the barracks in Lviv itself, as well as the air base in Stryi. Similar measures are being taken by nationalist groups against military units in Ivano-Frankivsk, Rivne and Ternopil. Earlier, on the orders of the government, a significant part of the officers from the garrison of Ivano-Frankivsk were transferred closer to the capital, which seemed justified a couple of days ago, and today it leads to loss of controllability of loyal units in Galicia. The only step to establish full control over most of the western regions remains the seizure of arsenals, which was already hinted at by Deutsche Welle.

The crowd is blocking government buildings in Chernivtsi. The leadership of Moldova and Romania miraculously responds to this, demanding security for the Romanian-speaking population. The Rusyn population of Transcarpathia yesterday, for some reason, turned to President Putin for help, ignoring the power in Kiev — apparently not believing in its capacity. It is possible that because of the Carpathians, this is exactly the way it seems. The Hungarian government, which last week bound itself with a series of economic treaties with Moscow, is silent. Yes, and the Hungarian national minority in Transcarpathia is beyond the threats of nationalists, among whom the slogans about the “European choice” are almost unheard of. More "Glory to the heroes!"
On the federal roads from Lviv, Rovno and Kovel, checkpoints were set up from aggressive nationalist-minded young people, which block movement including heavy trucks, which leads to local clashes with the police, in which the police are defeated due to the small number and lack of an order to use weapons. Transport communication with Europe and the western regions is practically interrupted.
The situation in Kiev remains borderline. There is no political rhetoric about the European Union for a long time. There is only “Golden Eagle” and militants. Negotiations of the “legal” opposition and the government are finally broken, and there is not even a hint that an agenda can be formed for a new meeting between Yanukovych and Klitschko. The President conducts several personnel castling at the Security Service of Ukraine and the Administration, freeing himself from ballast in the face of those who are hesitant or seen in close proximity to financial groups that provide the opposition. The embassies of Western countries in Kiev, although they are not in the conflict zone, are put under heavy guard, which, among other things, fixes everyone who goes in and out. This, however, does not prevent opposition leaders from receiving cash delivered by diplomatic mail for the purchase of supplies for the Maidan. Moreover, each visit by the leaders of the "legal opposition" of the Western embassies causes another escalation of violence in the center of Kiev.

The Russian embassy is silent like a fish on ice. The instructions coming from Moscow require complete "non-interference in internal affairs."

"Golden eagle" catastrophically tired. In total, there are four thousand special forces from different regions and about 20 thousand conscripts of internal troops and cadets in the capital. Shifts are eight hours. The soldiers and officers are extremely angry at all the Protestants, and not only at the right-wing militants. Despite the permission of the Minister of Internal Affairs to fire at a life threatening situation, they never received any ammunition. The temperature drops to –20. The soldiers are fed up by the Kievans, but the supply is still lagging, since the militants of the so-called auto-mobility group begin to block the roads to Kiev, especially from the western and southern sides. At the same time, the supply of various militant groups in the city center and in Podol is perfectly adjusted. From somewhere, gasoline and kerosene for “Molotov cocktails”, the winter camouflage form of the NATO sample, helmets, expensive tires, Turkish warmed tents for Maidan, gauze bandages, gas masks, food and water are formed by themselves.
The government does not have the right to use loyal military units, since no state of emergency has been formally introduced. Nevertheless, Chernigov’s second alarm was already raised. tank regiment (former Soviet tank training center) as the closest to the capital. Armored vehicles are ready to block the Brovary airport, but it is unclear why and why such an order can be given. Rumors are circulating among the officers that they are preparing to ensure Yanukovych’s flight from the country, and they don’t like it at all.

The information war reaches its climax, as the broadcasting of TV channels can be disrupted at any moment and people are increasingly beginning to feed on rumors. At the same time, the militants in Kiev coherently coordinate their actions through the Internet in general and social networks in particular. In the regions, an information vacuum is gradually formed, since government resources, as always in such situations, act inhibited, with an eye to orders and commands, do not take initiatives, which give the information space to the opposition, specially trained to conduct propaganda through electronic media and social networks. The key concept in this propaganda unexpectedly becomes “the right to revolt”, and this slogan is ingeniously derived from the Cossack past and the “right to rokosh”, which in fact belonged only to the gentry and destroyed Rzeczpospolita, but most of the details do not care.

The government remembers the regions when a third of them are already lost. Sessions of regional councils are urgently organized in the eastern regions and Podolia. They are starting to bring deputies to the Parliament to Kiev, which is quite difficult - many of them went abroad for holidays and are no longer eager to return. There is a lack of decisiveness. President Yanukovych’s environment has never been so strong in character, but in the past it only helped them, since the political line of the government itself has never been direct. These people are used to constantly maneuver: between the oligarchic groups, between the centers of influence, between Russia and the EU, in the end. Making a hard and harsh decision, whatever it may be, is beyond their power.

In Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, Melitopol and Sumy, special forces take government buildings under protection. Local regional councils receive appeals in support of the president and the government. The spontaneous formation of detachments of warriors and loyal Cossacks begins.

The Parliament of Crimea unexpectedly and loudly adopts a decree on the independence of the Republic of Crimea. This is motivated by the de facto collapse of the country and the inability of the central government to ensure the safety of the population. The Crimean Tatar Mejlis supported the opposition a few days ago, and now it is hastily conducting mobilization. It turns out that the Tatar youth organization has long been very well armed. Nevertheless, the conflict in Crimea has not yet erupted on its own, since the opposing parties are equally afraid of the Russian marines. Command of the Russian Black Sea fleet He announces the alarm, although under bilateral agreements he has no right to do this without notifying the Ukrainian side in 48 hours.

Belarus closes the border, Poland - on the contrary, opens. Border guards disintegrated on the eyes. The control over Galicia and Volyn finally leaves the central government, and a few loyal military units in Western Ukraine are blocked by already armed militants. This is done simply and uncomplicated. At the gates of the military unit, a picket is installed, but on the contrary, a machine gun is demonstratively installed, since the nationalists already have no problems with weapons at this moment in time. Those military units, where the commanders left inadvertently came from the western regions, begin to cross over to the rebels, the rest are offered to disband or to hand over their weapons "for safekeeping".

The situation is further aggravated by rumors about columns of Russian tanks moving from Kursk to the Ukrainian border.

The Russian embassy remains silent.

The US Department of State begins consultations with Germany on “resolving the situation,” but at the same time tightens sanctions against Yanukovych and his circle. This tactic usual for Washington only pushes the central power into a corner. Meanwhile, some European politicians continue to arrive in Kiev for the moral support of the opposition, which only increases tensions.

Despite the fact that events in the regions are developing rapidly, the center of opposition is still located in the center of Kiev. The mood of the opposition is increasingly radicalized, they are gradually expanding the scope of control over the city blocks at the expense of the territories in which the Berkut cordons are set up - on Podol and, on the contrary, along the lanes adjacent to Khreshchatyk. In areas under the control of nationalists, pogroms and looting will begin. The government of Israel will protest and offer the Jews an urgent evacuation. Poland will have to do the same, albeit with a delay. Representatives of all religious denominations of Ukraine will make an appeal to end the violence, but somehow unconvincing, since much of the parish priests of the Greek Catholic persuasion will support the actions of nationalists, and the Catholic parishes of Galicia and Transcarpathia will ask for support from Poland and Hungary.
The most dangerous is the night time of the day, since electricity interruptions begin. The central government does not have enough internal forces to ensure the constant protection of strategic energy supply facilities. There is a threat of the collapse of the municipal system of the city, the movement of the metro along the red line is limited. The temperature drops to –25, the militants re-equip part of the captured buildings under the heating points and increase the rotation on the barricades. The soldiers have no such possibility. The state of emergency has not yet been introduced, since it is not possible to achieve a quorum in the Verkhovna Rada.

Technology provocative sniper shooting worked a decade ago. The most important thing is to podgadat shots under the greatest noise effect, which is created by both opposing sides. The militants are “Molotov cocktails” and explosives, the soldiers are stun grenades. In such a hubbub to hear the shot itself, and even more so to determine where it was made from, is impossible. According to the events in Romania, the psychological effect of this kind of shooting is also known: those who have weapons start to shoot up randomly, instinctively realizing that snipers are on the roof. The rest turn into a completely uncontrollable crowd.

And by this moment it does not matter who and at what point the first of the nationalist groups decides to use this tactic. Shots will be distributed from the roofs somewhere around three or four in the morning, knocking out five or six people from the crowd for a salvo. Chaos will begin immediately. The Berkut was cold, tired, did not receive reinforcements, they were not given live ammunition. They do not withstand the pressure of the armed crowd of militants, rested, warmed and inspired by slogans, exceeding ten to fifteen times. By morning, government buildings in Kiev will be captured and destroyed, mobile militant groups will take a bus station, a railway station and block entrances to the city from Brovary and Belaya Tserkov. Personnel with the "victims of government terror" will begin to turn over the air without a break. Hospitals and morgues also cordoned off by nationalist representatives. The connection between the city center and the province in the broad sense of the word will be lost. The armed rebellion itself will take no more than six hours, with the full connivance of the demoralized Kiev garrison. The tank brigade in Chernigov will remain in the barracks.

The location of President Yanukovych will be impossible to establish. By the middle of the day, he will try to go on the air through loyal television studios in Donetsk and Kharkov and announce martial law in connection with the attempted coup d'etat, ignoring the Verkhovna Rada. Parts of the garrisons of the eastern regions will start moving towards Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk.

Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama will be contacted by direct wire. Angela Merkel, who will have to make difficult choices, will also be connected to the consultations, since it will be necessary to simultaneously support the “aspiration of the Ukrainian people to common European values” and dissociate themselves from frankly fascist slogans that sound in western regions. Gradually, a certain Putin's plan, Merkel, will begin to crystallize, in fulfillment of which landing airplanes will rise from the airfields of Ryazan, Ivanovo and Cherekhi. There will be no way back. Yes, it was not from the very beginning.
The participation of Russian troops in the liberation of the central part of Kiev from militants may not be necessary. Having received real support, the central government will be able to mobilize combat-ready units from the eastern regions within two days. The battles on Podol will be quite bloody, but short-term, since the preponderance will be on the side of the government troops, and the morale spirit of the militants will drop to the freezing point, after Angela Merkel, as the official representative of Europe “in the Ukrainian crisis,” supports “restoring order” as opposed to “ fascist chaos. " Most of the militants will infiltrate from Kiev to the region and further to the regions, where they will be transferred to an illegal situation. These violent will be a little bit, but for some time they will be able to portray something like a guerrilla war, attacking military units and arranging attacks on government officials.

Nobody will seize the western regions. There will be introduced self-government under the control of the mixed forces of the OSCE and NATO. Ban Ki-moon will announce the conduct of a peacekeeping operation in Galicia and Volhynia under the general auspices of the UN already in hindsight. German and Polish troops will occupy strategic positions like the one in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Hungary will announce control over the Uzhgorod-Mukachevo-Berehove district "for the safety of fellow tribesmen." Romania will try to do the same in Bukovina, but will meet with an unequivocal rebuff from the central government in Kiev. Moscow will recognize the independence of Transnistria and announce the creation of a new military base on the territory of this partially recognized state. Crimea will begin negotiations on confederative status, and Russia and Ukraine will revise the agreement on the status of the Black Sea Fleet and the city of Sevastopol itself.

And when the dead are buried, a completely different life will begin in Eastern Europe.
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  1. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 25 January 2014 07: 29
    +49
    New groups of armed youth with unclear political views appear, which seize government buildings and offices on Khreshchatyk, turning them into their headquarters.


    What views they have there! They are just used. I already wrote in a commentary to another article: “One of the police officers was asked: what is your goal? - Capture of the Verkhovna Rada. - And then?” “What's next?” “Well, you captured the Rada, what's next? goals. Process for the sake of process. It is not for nothing that the ultras joined them. The same also does not care: the team won - the mahach, lost - also the mahach. So these are. "
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 January 2014 07: 44
      +29
      Let me remind you of a scene from the famous movie Chapaev ... Remember the question of the peasants to the divisional commander? -I'm sorry, we were talking with the men ... Here you are for the Bolsheviks, for the Communists?
      And remember the reaction of the commander ... And especially his answer. The soldier, regardless of his position, unless of course special forces, is absolutely not obliged to understand everything .. Moreover, this is even harmful. There is an order. Remember the question to Berkutov and if the order is criminal ? And the perfect answer is the Order is executed from the beginning, and only then it is discussed ...
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 25 January 2014 09: 16
        +18
        Quote: domokl
        Let me remind you of a scene from the famous movie Chapaev ... Remember the question of the peasants to the divisional commander? -I'm sorry, we were talking with the men ... Here you are for the Bolsheviks, for the Communists?


        Let me answer with a phrase from another movie:
        "- How will it all end?
        - IN THE FIRE! "
        And something more and more Ukraine is approaching this fire.
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 13: 07
          +12
          God works in mysterious ways.

          Cops protect the former ZEK, ZEK protects the cops, and together they protect ordinary citizens, peace and constitutional order in the state.

          Protect from those who are considered peaceful intellectuals, villagers and the creative class.


          (and indeed it is. written without sarcasm.)
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 25 January 2014 13: 26
            +1
            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            Cops protect the former ZEK, ZEK protects the cops, and together they protect ordinary citizens, peace and constitutional order in the state.
            Protect from those who are considered peaceful intellectuals, villagers and the creative class.

            Neither add nor decrease ...
            But if this does not happen, then the country will flare up. After all, fratricide will begin again. Libya will seem like a brawl for boys at a children's party ...
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 13: 33
              +7
              The answer to the question: Why did the police take an exclusively defensive position. This is not the weakness of law enforcement, NOT the cowardice of power. This is a tactical device. Right and effective.

              1. Vladimir 70
                Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 15: 29
                +25
                The answer to the question: Why did the police take an exclusively defensive position. This is not the weakness of law enforcement, NOT the cowardice of power. This is a tactical device. Right and effective.
                No need to defend lousy power! You don’t want to send Vanya yourself or your children to the place of conscripts to participate in an "exclusively defensive position." Janek has been in power since 2010 and he had time to deal with the country, the security forces. The police were supposed to work, the SBU was not rioting and against foreign agents... And Janek imagined himself to be a "king", considered that it would be okay to do so, "scored on the duties of a guarantor" and took up the business of his son. It was Yanukovych who brought to the point that there are no professionals in the courts, the prosecutor's office, the police, the SBU, and the "pussies" are 25 years old.
                1. Ivan_Ivanov
                  Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 16: 06
                  +33
                  Polish flags are flying on the Maidan ... But do not think that these are interventions in the internal affairs of a sovereign state. Now, if there were Russian, then yes ... (sarcasm)

                  Yanyk is far from a gift. He crushed half the country for himself. Clamped, or allowed to clamp down on private traders, continued to condone the collapse of industry ............

                  But Now, any spit in his direction, in the direction of the Ukrainian authorities, any compromising evidence, any doubts about the correctness of their actions - this is another drop of doubt in the heads of those who oppose the brown plague, this is helping the Ukronatsmsts and the West in their war against the Russian world.

                  Let us now stop exposing and resenting, doubting and infecting others with our doubts. We will crush the Nazi reptile, then we will talk about Yanyk.

                  PS I am very sorry that now I can’t stand next to law enforcement officers, to protect the country on my own from the Euro-fascist infection on a street in Kiev.
                  1. Vladimir 70
                    Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 16: 19
                    -7
                    Yanyk is far from a gift. He crushed half the country for himself. Clamped, or allowed to clamp down on private traders, continued to condone the collapse of industry ....
                    This is the problem, in its reckless
                    greed.
                    Let us now stop exposing and resenting, doubting and infecting others with our doubts. We will crush the Nazi reptile, then we will talk about Yanyk.
                    Here it is still not known what is better now - or Janek will crush the Nazi reptile, but with his greed he will arrange such a lawlessness that North Korea will seem to us like paradise; or a Nazi reptile will whip up a "family" on the Maidan .... Ukraine will fall apart and each part will go to where its historical place is. It is not yet known in which case more blood will be shed.
                    1. Ivan_Ivanov
                      Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 16: 26
                      +20
                      Sorry, but I can’t talk culturally with someone who admits the victory of the Nazis, Western mercenaries on our land, and therefore admits the supremacy of extremists, bloodshed, lawlessness, the collapse of the country, a civil war ...

                      I should not answer.
                      1. Vladimir 70
                        Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 16: 30
                        -15%
                        Vanya is not answering you. Janek has already committed bloodshed, lawlessness and everything is heading towards collapse and civil war. Well, why do I need such a "guarantor"?
                      2. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 16: 40
                        +20
                        Stalin also allowed bloodshed, war, occupation, genocide of our people. IN YOURSELF, our soldiers should have thought the same way while the enemy was near Moscow ?: nah .. did such a supreme surrender to us?

                        NO! Our grandfathers went against the enemy and did not think that Stalin was to blame for something there. Only SO survived.

                        You can’t calm down your ego, your pride, which whispers: Yanyk is to blame, attack him, and the fact that this will help to unleash the civil in our country is nothing, you’re right, he’s scum ...

                        In this case, your place on the Maidan. You are already on their side, even sitting at home at the computer.
                      3. Vladimir 70
                        Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 16: 49
                        +11
                        Damn, where does Stalin? Stalin, unlike Yanukovych, built the country, albeit by not entirely democratic methods. And it is not known whether it was possible to do with smaller victims. History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood.
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                      5. Sergh
                        Sergh 25 January 2014 20: 42
                        +12
                        Guess from three times.

                    2. Kolya
                      Kolya 27 January 2014 03: 51
                      +1
                      How can Yanyk head the East against the Natsiks if his loot is stored in the West, then the loot which he cut mainly from the East ????
                      Stalin did not have personal accounts abroad, his son fought for his homeland as a pilot, and did not take away businesses from his fellow citizens.
                  2. kare
                    kare 26 January 2014 14: 49
                    +1
                    Vladimir, and what kind of guarantor among those present on the Maidan would suit you?
                  3. Kolya
                    Kolya 27 January 2014 04: 03
                    0
                    Quote: kare
                    Vladimir, and what kind of guarantor among those present on the Maidan would suit you?

                    The question is not for me but I will answer:
                    No one! But you need to remove the werewolf from power and give birth to new leaders, ours and real ones!
                    Now in Ukraine, even ideological enemies unite to remove the gang from power.
                2. kotvov
                  kotvov 26 January 2014 21: 06
                  +1
                  do you think that when these banderers are completely cut through, will you feel better? Something tells me that this janek is losing, if not already lost, time. It is quite possible that the seizure of weapons will begin soon.
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              1. Ivan_Ivanov
                Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 16: 50
                +18
                There is simply no other now. Again.

                We must first stand against the euro of Nazi aggression, and only then we will present the authorities with full account for all this.
              2. Jeglov
                Jeglov 25 January 2014 16: 53
                +4
                Where to go! I’m only afraid that he will run into liquid ... But we will have to disentangle ourselves.
              3. Vladimir 70
                Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 16: 54
                +7
                This power has nurtured Nazi evil
              4. densh
                densh 25 January 2014 17: 45
                +21
                Quote: Vladimir 70
                This power has nurtured Nazi evil

                This evil spirits got out in the late 80s. It is she who underlies the project "Nezalezhnosti". She received the main support under Yushchenko, who awarded the titles of heroes to Bandera and Shukhevych. What we are seeing is only the logical conclusion of a 20-year process. negative
              5. Vladimir 70
                Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 17: 52
                +5
                This evil spirits got out in the late 80s. It is she who underlies the project "Nezalezhnosti". She received the main support under Yushchenko, who awarded the titles of heroes to Bandera and Shukhevych. What we are seeing is only the logical conclusion of a 20-year process.
                I agree with this, but Janek had time since 2010, especially after the reign of the "orange", to slowly begin to fight this evil. And on the contrary, he closed his eyes to the antics of the Banderlog, so that there would be someone to scare the population of the East and South.
              6. Tamparu
                Tamparu 25 January 2014 19: 32
                +11
                Quote: Vladimir 70

                I agree with this, but Janek had time since 2010, especially after the reign of the "orange", to slowly begin to fight this evil. And on the contrary, he closed his eyes to the antics of the Banderlog, so that there would be someone to scare the population of the East and South.


                Janek, having come to power, decided to apply the principle of "divide and plunder" ... He overdid it a little .... Now he does not know who to rely on ... People from both banks of the Dnieper are ready to "bolt" on him. Got it, "with u to a". Now, rake up what he has done ...
                Evil is not enough ...
              7. Vladimir 70
                Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 19: 43
                -1
                SW TampaRU and I are about the same. That’s why I don’t mind if Yanek and the family are upturned on the Maidan, and only then we will take up banderlogs.
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              9. Tamparu
                Tamparu 25 January 2014 19: 57
                +6
                To haul him up alone .... not worth ... to judge ... and to plant ... But not only him, but all his governors, mayors, etc., who offered him a "share" in the common fund and allowed him to continue rob the common people ...
              10. 31231
                31231 25 January 2014 20: 48
                +2
                SW TampaRU and I are about the same. That’s why I don’t mind if Yanek and the family are upturned on the Maidan, and only then we will take up banderlogs.


                How do you see it for yourself? Yanyk will come to the Maidan and offer himself for lynching?
                Are you an adult or what ?!
                Gaddafi, Saddam came and surrendered to revolutionaries and Americans?
              11. Ptah
                Ptah 26 January 2014 11: 17
                +3
                Quote: Vladimir 70
                That’s why I don’t mind if Yanek and the little family are lifted up on the Maidan, and only then we will take up banderlogs.

                Here, almost everyone does not mind.
                Only offer to do it in reverse order.
                First, a reflection of the outwardly threat, and then "intra-family" showdown.
              12. Kolya
                Kolya 27 January 2014 04: 13
                0
                Quote: Ptah
                First, a reflection of an outward threat, and then "intra-family" showdown

                This will not work until Yanyk is in power. The West should take a look at his loot on the accounts sideways as Yanyk kneel down with tears in his eyes offering to give Ukraine in return.
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        3. Motors1991
          Motors1991 26 January 2014 16: 07
          +6
          Why do you apologize, in Ukraine everyone knows that the “Freedom” party was raised with money from another party - the Regions. To understand who Yanukovych is, you need to ask yourself the question: What is Igor Markov in prison for? So this person one of the two in the Party of Regions openly opposed the President’s European integration course. After that, Deputy Markov was deprived of parliamentary immunity and deprived of a mandate by the court, then arrested and put in jail. The piquancy of the situation is that Markov was imprisoned on an episode of six years ago it’s already qualified as hooliganism, and it’s not even that under this article there is a period of 3 years ago, but that the “hooligan” Markov in 2007 dispersed the “peaceful” picketers from Galicia, who ,, peacefully ”, as they usually protest against the installation of a monument to Catherine the Great in Odessa, i.e. Markov did what Yanukovych should do now and notice that he was then without cops and riot police. But the Russian man is in jail for the Russian case and no one raised his vote in his defense neither Putin, the State Duma, nor, finally, Zhirinovsky "For what reason do Russia and Russians support Yanukovych? And what else does he have to do to turn Russia away from him? To shit every Russian, including Putin, on the head and smudge him in the face, and I’m sure that there will be someone like this, aroma ,, like. There is a good expression Residency: you cannot defeat the Mafia, lead it. You cannot defeat the revolution in Ukraine, lead it. Only there is no one to lead it, if any leader appears, it’s like Markov in prison.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 25 January 2014 19: 29
      +16
      Quote: Vladimir 70
      This power has nurtured Nazi evil

      The Nazis nurtured all the power of an independent, starting with Kravchuk!
      And Europe and the USA were happy to help! As they climb now!
      Fule, +12 MEPs are flying to Kiev, + Ashton - all these are "partners" of the opposition, who are therefore so confident in their positions.
    3. Vladimir 70
      Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 19: 39
      +5
      The Nazis nurtured all the power of an independent, starting with Kravchuk!
      Egoza, I agree with you 100%! Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko should be held accountable, but Yanukovych still had time and opportunities, especially after the rule of the "orange gang". That is why Yanukovych is more guilty for me.
    4. 31231
      31231 25 January 2014 20: 51
      +2
      Fule, +12 MEPs are flying to Kiev, + Ashton - all these are "partners" of the opposition, who are therefore so confident in their positions.

      And then Elena must competently play now. Try to have these European parliamentarians Natsik sent just like Yaytsenyuk. Or even more beautifully be a fire extinguisher in the face. From tse garne bude!
    5. PValery53
      PValery53 26 January 2014 10: 38
      -1
      Greetings to your Skoda Ukrainian MOV.
  2. _Forgiven_
    _Forgiven_ 26 January 2014 21: 52
    0
    Nazi evil spirits were raised by M. Dak Banderos, and his last ones managed to keep it still. And now this whole m. Nitrogen is furious and throws Nazi slogans at the camera. And who do you think promoted that in the east and south of the country there are only bandits? Yanyk? The answer is obvious. The zapadents themselves, coming to us in the East of Ukraine, said at home that normal adequate people live here, and not as they told in all Tyagnybok, Yush and Yulia
  3. Jeglov
    Jeglov 25 January 2014 17: 04
    +4
    He, from the "big mind", cleaned out the entire southeast from all healthy patriotic, not nationalistic, but patriotic forces. I was afraid for power. And now he can't really rely on anyone. The Party of Regions cannot tell clearly what to do. Only idiotic rallies are held in "support of the current government and the president's course." People would be happy to stop this chaos, but they also need to say something clearly.
    And he - you need to negotiate. It's too late, Khfedyrych, to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have failed. We must act. There is no Victory in the defense - only slow death.
  4. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 17: 37
    +2
    I just wanted to say that the blame for this lies entirely with Yanukovych and K. Because of his lice, we will soon get Libya. A little more time will pass and it will not be possible to stop. Well, except that the "Europeople" will not bomb us.
  5. 31231
    31231 25 January 2014 20: 57
    +4
    I just wanted to say that the blame for this lies entirely with Yanukovych and K.

    Yanukovosch ?! And Yushchenko and Kuchma are the Lamb of God? Judging by the age of knowledge, frostbitten youngsters received education under Yushche and Kuchma.
    You can’t remove Yanyka by election method, you must definitely maidan and plunge the country into chaos ?!
    Julia Grigyan is sitting. What prevents in the next election to bring to power a president who, in addition to Yulia, will put Yanyk?
  6. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 21: 15
    +3
    Yanukovosch ?! And Yushchenko and Kuchma are the Lamb of God? Judging by the age of knowledge, frostbitten youngsters received education under Yushche and Kuchma.
    Open your eyes, knowledge and upbringing received not with a humbling and Kuchma ....
    You can’t remove Yanyka by election method, you must definitely maidan and plunge the country into chaos ?!
    Julia Grigyan is sitting. What prevents in the next election to bring to power a president who, in addition to Yulia, will put Yanyk?
    If you are already entering into polemics with me, read my posts carefully. I have one claim to Yanukovych - because of his lice, the "Europeople" will arrange a civil war for us.
  7. official
    official 25 January 2014 21: 49
    +9
    I think, comrade Zheglov, that we will have to do everything ourselves. When this evil spirits, having won in Kiev, will go to our regions "to get hold of the Ukrainian government" - we will meet at the borders of the region and slow down. By any means. And FSUs .. on the authorities and the police.
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 25 January 2014 22: 07
    +4
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Polish flags are flying on the Maidan ...

    They swear about Tse, they are puppeteers ...
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  • smersh70
    smersh70 25 January 2014 19: 01
    +13
    Quote: Vladimir 70
    The police, the SBU were supposed to work to prevent riots and against foreign agents. And Janek imagined himself to be a "king", considered that it would be okay to do so, "scored on the duties of a guarantor" and took up his son's business.

    golden words good
    Quote: Vladimir 70
    the police, the SBU are not professionals, and the "pussies" are 25 years old.

    they didn’t even think of turning off simple electricity in the area !! immediately the rally would decline. there is no connection .. and so on ... we have to work home-by-family .. drive and hold for several days, dismissal from work of our closest relatives revolution. revolution, and as soon as the naughty houses end, and as soon as the children want to eat, then they will think differently. introducing posts near Kiev. planting young people right in the open field. (oh, I remembered youth, opera work is hard work, but interesting bully )
  • santush
    santush 25 January 2014 21: 21
    +4
    I agree 100% !!! Byk. It was necessary to instantly crush the riots, and now the situation, it seems to me, is a millimeter from uncontrollable!
  • bask
    bask 25 January 2014 23: 36
    +3
    The attack of the Euromaidanists, with plastic sartiers.
  • Gladius
    Gladius 26 January 2014 04: 28
    +6
    I agree to all 100%. Prosecutors, deputy prosecutors, etc., etc. 25-30 years old - this is ridiculous. Also in the police! Instead of experienced people who have worked in these areas for decades, they put in their majors (sons of oligarchs or judges) and this is considered the legitimate authority - YES IN JOOPU SUCH POWER !!! I personally am against joining the EU AND FOR RAPPOSING WITH RUSSIA, but Yanyk squeezed everyone, got and humiliated everyone, that I already agree to a change of power even this way ... The gang really got it ... I hope and will support that politician, and the leader will show up just the other day, which will take into account the interests of the majority and gradually nevertheless establish good-neighborly relations with Russia. After all, most of the Ukrainian economy, as I think, is connected with Russia, and not with the West !!!
  • _Forgiven_
    _Forgiven_ 26 January 2014 21: 45
    0
    Dear Vladimir. Do you think that the three lousy oppositionists will improve the situation in Ukraine? They will do the same as I am the current government, only in a legal way - in a democratic way. Or do you believe in the coming to power of just and honest politicians? How old are you? Do you still believe in fairy tales? And the fact that these "three musketeers" stupidly sold out and sold the whole country to the western bourgeoisie and you don't have to go to Vanga! No need to talk nonsense
  • bask
    bask 26 January 2014 00: 12
    +7
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Why did the police take an exclusively defensive position.

    This is not a defensive position. They are generally even forbidden to defend themselves.
    In Russia and Belarus, they would be swept away in a few minutes.
    And here it is ????
    ,, Golden eagle ,, stands without action, but he is simply beaten.



    Now how the police special forces operate in democratic Germany, I’m not talking about the United States at all. They would have democratically shot everyone there.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 January 2014 00: 22
      +2
      Quote: bask
      Everyone would be democratically shot there already.
      1. bask
        bask 26 January 2014 00: 55
        +1
        Yes Sash. That's the way in dem ... countries the police are imposing a democratic order.
        And the most interesting thing is that no one is yelling about "human rights."

        Good photos good .
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 January 2014 00: 59
          +2
          Here they packed the major on a Ferrari!
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 26 January 2014 01: 03
            +1
            And how is this happening with us!
          2. bask
            bask 26 January 2014 01: 23
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            And how is this happening with us!


            Here it is, the inaction of the authorities and the police, in relation to the criminals.

            And the spitting attitude towards ordinary citizens leads to color "revolutions" and civil wars.
            In Russia, this question is quite acute.
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  • 222222
    222222 25 January 2014 19: 28
    +6
    Ivan_Ivanov UA Today, 13:07 ↑ without sarcasm.
    on this site, too, all without sarcasm ... you have not watched?
    http://www.svoboda.org.ua/
    Lviv region was pleased to meet the People’s Rada, visited the viceroy committee and the militia squad
    ..and in the same spirit .. Complete euphoria !!!
    And this is the "National Constitution (draft VO" Svoboda ") of Article 1. The sovereignty of the Ukrainian nation is established, as it has been directly mediated through its representatives or a referendum. Be it a swing at usurpation of all sovereignty of any part, with a special group of people, to be punished by the criminal order.
    Mortal punishment is imposed for the zolotini against the Ukrainian, Ukrainian, and Ukrainian powers and especially especially heavy zolotchins against the people and the enormous.
    Article 2. The basis of the Ukrainian state creation є The National Idea is the idea of ​​bringing the Ukrainian (title) nation to the Ukrainian lands ... "
    http://www.svoboda.org.ua/pro_partiyu/prohrama/konstytutsiya/
    read IVANOV_VANO-there is a lot of reasonable and but also a lot of nationalistic ..
    And how do you like 1 article, where the death penalty for usurpation ... and the modern occupations of the regional administrations ??? ..
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 20: 04
      +13
      Freedom captures the region. happy and at the same time for the death penalty for the seizure of the region. Rad? This is really a perverted reality. And do not believe everything that enemies write.



      In Ukraine, 324 people are the number of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.
      Plus, more than 23 people are military men. (the opposition wants to reduce it to 000, which means that now it’s much more, but let's leave this figure)
      Plus 25 thousand - employees of the SBU.

      Total - more than 370 strength of the main power structures. We take away accountants, generals, clerical workers. This is 000-15 percent. Take 20%

      TOTAL number of trained, experienced, trained personnel of the main power structures is about 220 thousand people.
      (and there is ANOTHER army, penitentiary service, security service, private security structures, bandits controlled ...)

      What is the number of fighters (not supporting, not sympathizing, namely fighters) of the Maidan?
      In Kiev, most likely no more than 10 (which is very unlikely), but we’ll take it with a large margin of 000. They gathered it from all over Ukraine and all the near and far abroad. Suppose that even in each western region, thousands of 20 are left (in fact, fewer, since count all were taken to Kiev). But let’s take here with a margin of 000 each.

      TOTAL fighters: 35. (I will remind you, with a large margin)

      220 (experienced, trained, disengaged) versus 000 (not so experienced and disciplined).

      Does anyone else have doubts about the power’s ability to crush this shell?

      Why doesn't she do it?

      There are many reasons for this.

      - does not want to allow the imposition of sanctions against Ukraine;
      - does not want to allow victims from the police;
      - does not want to transfer the conflict into an underground terrorist channel;
      - wants to show the bestial nature of the fighters of the Maidan;
      - does not want to prevent the escalation of the conflict in the west of the country and to make the bandits of Maidan heroic in the eyes of the Galicians;
      - does not want to give a reason for the introduction of "peacekeeping" forces;
      - ....

      Think, for 3 months of active operations, the Maydaun militants (and these are all mobilized militants of Ukraine plus the militants of near and far abroad: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Yugoslavia, Georgia .......) were able to capture 2 squares in Kiev, one and a half streets, 4-5 buildings - state institutions from 2000 streets, 54 squares and thousands of state institutions in the capital.
      They also captured 10-20 streets and squares throughout Ukraine from several hundred thousand.

      The only chance the Euro-Nazis have for seizing power is the cowardice and venality of the power itself, which is NOT there anymore.

      Another goal they want to achieve is a bloody massacre, a civil war in Ukraine, sanctions on the country, the destruction of the economy and the discontent of citizens. To do this, they need to associate power to a tough response. That is - the power option, dispersal, arrest of bandits - this is exactly what they want to achieve.

      Another goal of the Euro-Nazis is to cause dissatisfaction with the authorities due to the lack of tough measures against the militants of the Maidan. To raise doubts among the inhabitants about the possibilities and desire of the authorities to protect the state and citizens.

      Therefore, all those who incite the authorities to active military actions, who try to cause dissatisfaction with the authorities due to the lack of harsh measures, who raise doubts about the direction of the movement of power towards an alliance with Russia — consciously or stupidly act on the side of the Euro-fascists trying to seize power in Ukraine and / or plunge the country into bloody chaos.

      PS Say, a hundred on the site of the Nazi scum so many good and useful? Well, scammers say 99% of the good and useful only in order to cover the gullible and naive simpleton for 1%.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 25 January 2014 20: 14
        +2
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        does not want to allow the imposition of sanctions against Ukraine;

        rather, sanctions on oneself loved ones. a country with people on their side, but personal skin and financial well-being ...
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 20: 18
          +6
          Therefore, all those who incite the authorities to active military actions, who try to cause dissatisfaction with the authorities due to the lack of harsh measures, who raise doubts about the direction of the movement of power towards an alliance with Russia — consciously or stupidly act on the side of the Euro-fascists trying to seize power in Ukraine and / or plunge the country into bloody chaos.

          Do you really think that possible sanctions against Ukraine will benefit the people of Ukraine?
          or hit the oligarchs harder than ordinary citizens ???
      2. 222222
        222222 25 January 2014 20: 15
        +1
        Ivan_Ivanov UA Today, 20:04 ↑ ++++++++++++ completely agree ..
        That's just a pity - the site of NV Starikova is wasting away .. and at such a time "Thank you" to the moderator ..
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 20: 20
          +4
          Sorry. But I did not notice the tyranny of the moderator on Starikov.
          Maybe I'm there in favor? ... what
          1. 222222
            222222 25 January 2014 20: 36
            0
            Ivan_Ivanov UA Today, 20:20 ↑ "Maybe I'm in favor there?"
            It was interesting to read you there (and even now) .. A lot of original people have been banned .. From this site just lost ... I don’t know, but this is called a "disservice". Yes, okay, not such things have been filled up ...
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 25 January 2014 20: 29
        +1
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        and these are all mobilized militants of Ukraine plus militants from near and far abroad: Armenia, Azerbaijan

        ours are not there. Do not add on ..... winked
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 20: 37
          +2
          Yes. There are no normal people there. But from different countries are found.
        2. Beck
          Beck 26 January 2014 12: 43
          0
          Quote: smersh70
          ours are not there. Do not add on


          I will expand the topic somewhat.

          Whatever Yanukovych was, and whatever traits, negative, positive, prevailed in him, he was nevertheless better than many rulers and somehow heeded the opinion of the people. At least parts.

          Yanukovych invited Yatsenyuk to become Prime Minister of Ukraine, and Klitschko as Minister. Yanukevich agreed to a constitutional change that would transform presidential power in Ukraine into parliamentary-presidential. Yanukovych agreed to repeal recently adopted laws against public demonstrations. And all in order to prevent a greater split in society and civil war. He acted much more civilized than some authoritarian and dictatorial regimes.

          Parallels. Three years ago, the people of Syria demanded the abolition of dictatorial power and the holding of elections. Assad began to shoot at the people. The people took up arms and a civil war broke out. Yanukovych avoiding civil war agreed to a lot. If Assad had gone to the polls three years ago, then there would have been no civil war and no orthodox trash would have run into the country. And Yanukovych did not, like the Kremlin, organize fictitious lawsuits against opposition leaders, but went into dialogue with them.

          And the Urashniki, who identify the opposition of Syria only as bandits, are already inventing that Euro-fascists will flood into Ukraine. They say that this is not the people of Ukraine who opposed the authorities, but the oncoming Euro-fascists. It is not enough just to send a visit to Yanukovych Gromov, since she will write down from scratch the faked fears that she now paints in Syria.
          1. alone
            alone 26 January 2014 12: 50
            -1
            Quote: Beck
            And the Urashniki, who identify the opposition of Syria only as bandits, are already inventing that Euro-fascists will flood into Ukraine. They say that this is not the people of Ukraine who opposed the authorities, but the oncoming Euro-fascists. It is not enough just to send a visit to Yanukovych Gromov, since she will write down from scratch the faked fears that she now paints in Syria.


            Beck, have pity on us at least !! and you don’t need to send her to Ukraine. My poor brain cannot stand reading open falsification about Ukraine. There Egoza (also Elena) is doing it. wassat
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 26 January 2014 15: 45
            0
            Quote: Beck
            I will expand the topic somewhat.

            maybe I'm wrong)) but here it seems like two Becks. One read, just a class, but the second - there are no words ... or they are all rolled into one bully
            I put this Beck a big plus !! good
            1. Beck
              Beck 26 January 2014 22: 27
              0
              Quote: smersh70
              maybe I'm wrong)) but here it seems two Becks


              Hi!

              Something I did not meet the second Beck. Or what did not understand? Or on some issues our opinions do not coincide.

              Quote: lonely
              Beck, have pity on us at least !! and do not send her to Ukraine


              Hi!

              Speak fidget there. So I did not meet her articles or she gives out comments instead of articles.

              And yet, to both (although your shoulder straps are heavy). Even a simple agreement with me among the Urashniks causes a negative. There you minusanuli and only for agreeing with my komentom. Correct my plus.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 26 January 2014 23: 02
                0
                Quote: Beck
                Something I did not meet the second Beck. Or what did not understand? Or on some issues our opinions do not coincide.

                I always agree with YOU!))) But recently it seems that there was another Beck with the Kazakh flag))) he carried such a blizzard that I became thoughtful)) and whether he is your clone))) do not pay attention to the rest))) the main thing quality, as Suvorov said, fight not by number, but by diminishing good
          3. 31231
            31231 26 January 2014 18: 11
            0
            Quote: Beck
            They say that this is not the people of Ukraine who opposed the authorities, but the oncoming Euro-fascists.

            Do not tell me why the people did not go to the gambling Yushchenko? What lived better under Yushch ?!
            It's simple, Yusch suited the west. Yanyk at first too, until he darted towards the Russian cutlet. And the people who came out shouting "Get out gang!" Not all of them have now realized that they are being controlled. Through sponsored media they add fuel to the fire, through provocations of radicals they throw mud at Berkut.
            What do the peaceful demonstrators have for slogans ?! "Get the gang!" and "We are not slaves!" Join the sect of Jehovah, there are the same "super-meaningful" and "exhaustive" calls.
            1. Motors1991
              Motors1991 26 January 2014 18: 48
              +1
              Under Yushchenko they lived much better than under the prisoner, this cattle destroys everything around itself like a plague.
      4. alex popov
        alex popov 25 January 2014 22: 09
        +3
        Ivan_Ivanov UA Today, 20:04 ↑ New
        ..
        Therefore, all those who incite the authorities to active military actions, who try to cause dissatisfaction with the authorities due to the lack of harsh measures, who raise doubts about the direction of the movement of power towards an alliance with Russia — consciously or stupidly act on the side of the Euro-fascists trying to seize power in Ukraine and / or plunge the country into bloody chaos.

        I also propose to look at what is happening from a different angle. If we consider that what is happening in Ukraine is directed, first of all, not against Ukraine, but against Russia, then Yanyk's "indecision" is quite logical. Now he does not have to wait for help from the EU and the US. They support oppos so openly that they completely forgot about decency in the comments and appeals. Everyone understands that the case did not end with the public distribution of cookies on camera, that what was happening was prepared in advance and professionally played out. Of course, everything should have happened back in November, so that the West had time to observe decency and "make an informed decision" on the introduction of sanctions and "peacekeepers" following the example of Yugoslavia. But no blood was shed in November and the degree of aggression subsided. Now try number two. The same people + bandits ... The West is openly attacking. From whom else can we expect help? From Russia. (And Belarus, but more on that later). And Russia is now in a tough time trouble, like the USSR before the 1980 Olympics. Any intervention, any support, except diplomatic support, will immediately turn into a stream of lies and a wave of sewage from the free and independent Western media, the activation of hysterical idiotic social activists like Fry, protests and aggressive statements already without any hesitation at the level not only of McCain's imitation but also higher, which may lead to quite logical, from the point of view of the West, a boycott of the Olympics. And so much effort and money has been invested in the Olympics, to the detriment of many things in the country that it cannot be risked. Intervene in the conflict in Ukraine, risk the Olympics. Not to interfere - to get a civil war on the border, or, even worse, to lose Ukraine as a good neighborly state in general, to get something like "Poland, only worse" under the very nose. That's really a choice ... Do the authorities in Ukraine know? Yes. Therefore, the KMK, the authorities with their last bit of strength are delaying, blurring the situation, even giving promises to amnesty the bandits and soften the laws. Stretches time to the limit. And the more they burn and smash Kiev, the more, according to logic, the eyes of those who have not yet made up their minds should open. But the organizers of the riots understand this too. Therefore, the proposals for reconciliation voiced by Klitschk were rejected. They need blood and the rapid development of riots BEFORE !!!! the beginning of the Olympiad. The first blood has been shed, the chances for the world to be dispersed are less and less ... I think that from day to day there should be a ritual murder of someone more significant than a small packaged bag in the crowd ... Everything will be done that the authorities responded by force and provoke Russia to any These are steps other than calls for non-intervention.
        I think the option is possible when direct intervention of Russia is not required. The Old Man will help, who sincerely despises the West and has nothing to lose ... But, I hope, it will not come to a lot of blood. I don't want the events described in "The Age of the Stillborn" to come true.
        1. zzz
          zzz 25 January 2014 22: 59
          +2
          Quote: alex popov
          I think the option is possible when direct Russian intervention is not required. Old Man will help


          How nice to read ... But father ... Russia ... Ukraine ... There is someone to rely on ... we are all one family ...
      5. Normal
        Normal 25 January 2014 22: 28
        +4
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        Does anyone else have doubts about the power’s ability to crush this shell?

        Why doesn't she do it?

        There are many reasons for this.


        Well ... well, everything seems to be logical in your conclusions. As they say through your lips and drink honey. But I have some doubts, I will be grateful if you can dispel them.
        First:
        cowardice and venality of power itself, which is NOT and can no longer be.
        What is this statement based on?
        Until now, the authorities in UkrAn did not behave decisively, Yanukovych is trying to crawl into Europe and not rip his belly, he is trying to sit on two chairs at once. In my opinion, the venality of the Ukrainian government is beyond doubt. Cowardice ... one can recall how Power disowned the actions of the "Golden Eagle" at the very beginning of events. Agree, this is not a manifestation of courage and firmness.
        Then there were laws aimed at countering Maidan extremism. Some who immediately called these laws "goat", Well, the one from the anecdote about a Jew who complained to the rabbi about a bad life. The rabbi advised him to buy a goat. When the life of a Jew with a goat under one roof turned into hell, the Rabbi said to sell the goat and the Jew immediately became satisfied with life.
        Now Yanukovych has announced that he is ready to relieve UkrAina of the oppressed "goat" itself, that is, laws. Will it help now? After all, the adoption of these laws and provoked new disorders in the seemingly already calmed down Kiev. After all, as it turned out, the Ukrainian people are not a Jew.
        The second:
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        220 (experienced, trained, disengaged) versus 000 (not so experienced and disciplined).

        There are also doubts. The fact is that these 220 experienced, trained and disciplined - at work, that is, tortured by routine, know perfectly well that their bosses can give them up at any moment to cover their ass, they are not eager to risk their health for a salary. Of course there is "Berkut", but still there are not 000 fighters in it.
        On the other hand, 35 volunteers, albeit paid (and no one has canceled the money yet and "Berkut" also serves for nothing) but ideological, maybe deceived, not realizing the consequences, but ready for action.


        I would like to make a mistake in my doubts But ....
      6. dr.star75
        dr.star75 26 January 2014 00: 02
        +1
        I completely agree. The whole rebellion crushes during the day. UNTIL there is no command. So they decide at a high level, we are waiting ..
  • Old scoop
    Old scoop 26 January 2014 11: 07
    +1
    So are peaceful intellectuals and the creative class throwing incendiary mixtures at representatives of the law? And then I, in my meager mind, consider such people scumbags and cattle. If you do not agree with the methods of the current government, offer your own, for example, an act of civil disobedience.
    “In order to express his disagreement with the actions of the legislators, the violator of the law has the right to refuse complicity in the state, not obeying the laws, the violation of which is not moral from the moral point of view,” Gandhi.
    Anarchy and chaos did not lead to anything good, not a single people, but for all scum there is fertile ground. Believe me, in case of anarchy, "the peaceful intelligentsia and the creative class" will knock on your house, if you live in Ukraine, of course.
  • kotvov
    kotvov 26 January 2014 21: 00
    0
    excuse me, but I don’t see that, “convict,” he defended the cops. he slowly surrenders them. I don’t know what is in his head, but he’s crazy.
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  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 18: 06
    -1
    Quote: domokl
    And the perfect answer is the Order is executed from the beginning, and only then it is discussed ...

    Yeah "I just followed the order" - somewhere I already heard it ... remembered! Nuremberg Tribunal !!! request
    By the way, the legislation of the Russian Federation with him in this according to: "Failure to comply with obviously illegal orders or orders excludes criminal liability." (Article 42 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).
  • TEODOR
    TEODOR 25 January 2014 07: 51
    +12
    People who started this chaos have one task to bring chaos to Ukraine and, as they say in this muddy water, catch a fish. And for the people and the blood they don’t .. fuck. Only business is not something personal.
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 January 2014 07: 55
      +5
      And if people watch everything on TV, then that’s what they need. It is clear that politicians, realizing that they will be driven away from the feeder, want to grab more ... At best, of course, the whole country ... But in Ukrainian reality -Although a piece ... But fatter ...
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 25 January 2014 09: 33
        +15
        Quote: domokl
        And if people watch everything on TV

        At night I watched Maidan-online, spoke from the stage Tyagnibok from the "new" government, I spat like a fountain (right now I’m sitting on the monitor, wiping it all the time), what nonsense they are talking about, specifically Ward № 6. Specifically betrayal on the state ..., in shackles!
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 25 January 2014 09: 59
          +9
          Quote: Sergh
          performed from the stage Tyagnibok from the "new" government,

          And Lyashko would match him with his whole party, in which the psi gathered. Not all, of course, but many. However, there the legs lift up !!!
          "According to the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the statements of People's Deputy Oleg Lyashko on TV about police officers fall under Article 345 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (threat or violence against a law enforcement officer)." For threats of murder, violence against a law enforcement officer as well as his close relatives, in connection with the performance of this employee's official duties, criminal liability is provided under Article 345 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine. This article applies to the statements of People's Deputy Oleg Lyashko, who publicly on the air of the TV channel called for the arrest of employees of the internal affairs bodies, "the department said.
          Opposition deputy Oleg Lyashko arrived on Monday evening at ul. Grushevsky, where for more than a day the law enforcement officers have been holding back the attacks of the raging "European integrators", and began to publicly disseminate a deliberate lie through a loudspeaker. He drove up to the place of confrontation between the protesters and the police in a car with a loudspeaker and, turning to law enforcement officers, said: "Zakharchenko shot himself, and the Azarov government resigned." He also called on law enforcement officers to lay down their arms and go over to the side of the protesters. Lyashko said that there are snipers on the buildings adjacent to the conflict site who are ready to open fire on people, and urged them not to shoot at those present. We will remind, earlier on the same day Lyashko brought bats and helmets to the "peaceful protesters" on the European square.
          Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-136220.html
          1. SHILO
            SHILO 25 January 2014 13: 16
            +7
            Quote: Egoza
            He also called on law enforcement officers to lay down their arms and go over to the side of the protesters. Lyashko said that there were snipers on the buildings adjacent to the conflict site, who were ready to open fire on people, and urged them not to shoot at those present.



            Why am I not surprised ?!
            The internet is full of help collecting BB and Golden eagle. Who will really report? Is there an address?
          2. Canep
            Canep 25 January 2014 19: 05
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            "According to the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the statements of the People's Deputy Oleg Lyashko on TV about police officers fall under Article 345 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (threat or violence against a law enforcement officer)
            Hello, Elena hi It seems to me that the actions of the Maidan fall under a whole bunch of articles, ranging from petty hooliganism and ending with the attempts of a coup d'etat and the forcible displacement of power, taken together for the organizers, they will receive a life sentence, therefore they (the organizers) will go to the end. They just don’t seem to understand if the authorities switch to all legal methods of putting things in order, they are really threatened with liquidation during detention. I hope Yanukovych decides to disperse the force, and his authority is enough to ensure that the troops remain subordinate.
          3. 31231
            31231 25 January 2014 21: 08
            0
            Elena, how do you characterize Oleg Tsarev? Adequate?
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 25 January 2014 21: 38
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              how do you characterize Oleg Tsarev? Adequate?

              Who is how. But, of course, more adequate than anyone. Although, personally, I am more impressed with Evgeny Tsar'kov, who occupies not the last place in the Communist Party and is the author and chief editor of the newspaper Vremya.YuA - www.VREMIA.UA - I highly recommend visiting their site - there are a lot of interesting articles.
        2. domokl
          domokl 25 January 2014 10: 32
          +2
          Hi Sergey ... I also carefully follow the Maidan ... I agree .. it will bring a blizzard, but the kind that its supporters want to hear. But you must admit that he’s charisma is not even an example for Klitschko. He knows how to light a bastard ... Precisely he steers the war part of the uprising ..
        3. Astrey
          Astrey 25 January 2014 11: 01
          +5
          With such media coverage and this approach of the Ukrainian government towards the people towards them - we don’t give a shit about you and your problems — Ukrainian society cannot find a clear vision of the problem.

          Most elderly Ukrainians are disgusted with the horror before the clinic. He forbade his mother to watch TV, her pressure increased from broadcasts. I do not recommend turning on the computer to my father, and children walk with visiting children. It’s calmer, but there are no more hopes for government decisions. It seems - the rulers are too lazy to rule.

          And you say - fantasies, dystopias, fantasies ...
          1. SHILO
            SHILO 25 January 2014 13: 19
            +3
            Quote: Astrey
            And you say - fantasies, dystopias, fantasies ...


            A friend of mine. We look at Syria - this is our future. Who did not understand.
            1. densh
              densh 25 January 2014 16: 15
              +4
              Quote: SHILO
              We look at Syria - this is our future.

              In mid-2000, Bobrov's book "The Age of the Stillborn" was published. Then it looked like a terrible fantasy. Now this book is slowly turning into a terrible reality.
            2. 31231
              31231 25 January 2014 21: 37
              +2
              A friend of mine. We look at Syria - this is our future. Who did not understand.

              You know, guys, I worked a lot with Ukrainians on objects in Russia. Somewhere out of fifty hard workers, one Westerner only left an unpleasant impression, that year, at 06-07 in Yamal, he boasted of how they panu in Lviv. When I asked him "Well, why did you come here if everything is fine there?" He began to mumble something indistinct.
              This is what I mean, I still believe in Ukraine, and that those 49 normal Ukrainians will reason one self-made fool.
            3. Beck
              Beck 26 January 2014 22: 47
              +1
              Quote: SHILO
              A friend of mine. We look at Syria - this is our future. Who did not understand.


              My opinion.

              In Ukraine, it will be like in Syria if Yanukovych gives the order to the troops to shoot at the people (which some are hinting at). As Assad did three years ago. If Yanukovych engages in a constructive dialogue with the opposition (there is a beginning), then I think they will find a compromise so as not to unleash a civil war.
              1. anomalocaris
                anomalocaris 27 January 2014 15: 34
                0
                And such a question, how long would such a gathering last on Trafalgar Square? There can be no compromise. Cove must be extinguished in infancy. Another conversation is that Yanukovych is trying to squander into two chairs, well, this is a characteristic position of Ukraine.
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 29 January 2014 23: 49
                0
                Quote: Beck
                As Assad did three years ago.

                Did the Saudis and other Americans leave him another way to save the country?
                1. Beck
                  Beck 30 January 2014 01: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Did the Saudis and other Americans leave him another way to save the country?


                  You that you intentionally do not want to remember how it all began in Syria. If from the very beginning.

                  Hafez al-Assad seized power not in a legitimate way, by a military coup. By inheritance, he transferred power to his son. What would you say and do if Yeltsin, without an election, transferred power to his daughter, who was surrounded by oligarchs. What would they swallow? Three years ago, the people of Syria marched on demonstrations demanding elections. Half a year there were peaceful demonstrations, and half a year Assad shot at his people, people only took up arms half a year later. What would you do if Khasbulatov seized power in 1993 and ordered the Russian people to be shot? Would you swallow?

                  And in general, how can dictators be protected, just because he barked west? Then whitewash Franco, Pol Pot, Bokassa. They did exactly what Assad is doing now.

                  If Assad had not been conceited by dictatorship and not wanting to harm the people, he would have to go to the polls. And there would be no civil war now and the Orthodox trash would not flood the country.

                  Kravchuk may order to shoot at his people, but he understands this is a civil war and devastation. Therefore, he leads a dialogue.
        4. Ptah
          Ptah 25 January 2014 12: 36
          +6
          K.g. "I have all the moves written down" (c)
          Quote: Sergh
          I watched Maidan online at night,

          Maybe someone did not see, but someone else did not understand ...
          The most "fun" begins at dusk ... Well, hell, what can I say ...


          Here is now another "fürrer" vomit vomit. Against the background of smoking cylinders ...
          (first "screen")

          ru.tsn.ua/kyiv/evromaydan-onlayn-translyaciya-s-maydana-nezalezhnosti-v-kieve-33
          5253.html


          "I don’t understand your fucking ..."
          / film Brother-2 "/
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  • Civil
    Civil 25 January 2014 08: 23
    +7
    Crimea to Russia, the Russian population there, the rest of the Holodrans are not needed for nothing.
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 January 2014 08: 43
      +8
      Without the real participation of the Russian Navy in the events in Crimea during the forceful solution of the issue in Crimea, the Tatar Mejlis will become the most likely government. It is he who now represents about the organization about the same as the nationalists in the west of Ukraine.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 25 January 2014 10: 01
        +8
        Quote: domokl
        in case of a forceful resolution of the issue in Crimea, the Tatar Majlis will become the most likely government.

        Don't tell. Now the Crimean Tatars declare that "a brown plague can be on the doorstep of every home." So the Russians will be tolerated, but not Tyagnibok and Co.
        1. domokl
          domokl 25 January 2014 10: 37
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          Now the Crimean Tatars declare that "a brown plague can be on the doorstep of every home

          And so? You probably did not carefully read my comment ... I wrote that in Crimea there are no more forces that have armed, trained forces and are able to seize power by force. Like nationalists in western Ukraine. Tatars need to solve their problems, not the problems of the whole countries ... Their goal is clear, to create a Crimean Tatar state .. in any form for the first time ... But to create ...
        2. SHILO
          SHILO 25 January 2014 13: 43
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          Don't tell. Now the Crimean Tatars declare that "a brown plague can be on the doorstep of every home." So the Russians will be tolerated, but not Tyagnibok and Co.



          The logical and rational perished in the crucible of Chaos! Counting on reason with madness is at least naive.
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 25 January 2014 10: 30
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        It is he who now represents about the organization about the same as the nationalists in the west of Ukraine.


        I’ll also remind you that the Crimean Tatar population in Crimea is only a little over 12-15%, and besides, they live in large independent enclaves, which is not bad in principle in the event of military clashes and will allow blocking entire areas and avoiding accidental casualties, but there is also a large minus, there is information that they are well armed, in 2006 there was a seizure of military depots in Simferopol
        1. domokl
          domokl 25 January 2014 10: 42
          +2
          Quote: seller trucks
          in the event of military clashes and will allow to block entire areas and avoid casualties,

          Who will block? And about the number ... There are not so many nationalists in Ukraine either. However, the development of events has now shown that, ceteris paribus, good preparation plays a decisive role ... How many people participate in the Kiev events? Well, a maximum of 100- 150 thousand (I expect from the rebels respect) ... And how many people of Kiev live in the city? So the statistics have nothing to do with it.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 25 January 2014 11: 51
            +3
            Quote: domokl
            Who will block?


            You somehow excluded self-defense detachments created (in the likely scenario) in the Crimea, in addition, I’m almost 100% sure that from the north I will cover the pro-Russian Kherson and South Krivoy Rog, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev. Tatars run the risk of remaining in complete isolation, they will cover the Navy’s boats from the sea, and block the Crimean Isthmus like two fingers on asphalt from the strength of the 1-1,5 month and surrender to families burdened by mountains, with possible partisan resistance, even less, the local population is not support, and with the delivery of weapons the problems will be big, not fighters.
            1. domokl
              domokl 25 January 2014 14: 26
              0
              Quote: seller trucks
              You somehow excluded self-defense units created (in the likely scenario) in Crimea,

              Now, you want to tell me that in Crimea there are many people who really have combat experience and weapons, who participated in the battles, which were specially trained in maintaining the database in field camps on the territory of Crimea?
              And most importantly, at first, weapons ... Where to get it? In the Russian units? And this, in your opinion, is not the help of the Russian Navy? As well as the blockade from the sea by RUSSIAN ships ... But I wrote and affirm that WITHOUT SUPPORT ... So it’s you that I carefully read my comment
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 25 January 2014 15: 34
                +2
                Alexander, I'm not trying to argue with you, we are discussing a possible alignment in the Crimea. What I want to note in the ARC is plenty of military units and police, they are likely to take the side of the Russian population, because the Tatars are essentially rebels, though not all. The second is that the Russian units will not intervene, but they will not let the third party intervene. there really is another option that the troops and police will then scatter completely, and then Russia will definitely intervene because there will definitely be provocations against military facilities and attempts to seize army depots, which are plentiful.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 25 January 2014 23: 22
      +1
      Quote: Civil
      Crimea to Russia, the Russian population there, the rest of the Holodrans are not needed for nothing.

      Leopard change his spots......
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  • rainufa
    rainufa 25 January 2014 10: 46
    +1
    That whom Tymoshenko forgot whom they did not hear strongly from the Maidan demands to release Tymoshenko, in principle, this person can be forcibly released.
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    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 January 2014 19: 18
      +10
      Quote: rainufa
      That whom Tymoshenko forgot whom they did not hear strongly from the Maidan demands to release Tymoshenko, in principle, this person can be forcibly released.

  • olegff68
    olegff68 25 January 2014 12: 08
    +5
    Judas Yanukovych showed us treason to the highest degree - at first he was torn into a geyrop (probably not sickly having something from this), then he heeded the persuasions of Russia (he also got it from this) and in order not to "offend" anyone - he went into the mud, letting the situation take its course having betrayed the defenders of the state with his silence, he gave the country to be torn apart. At the same time, a week ago a couple of strong-willed decisions and orders would have stopped everything in the bud - but apparently he didn't need it !!!
    1. bogdan
      bogdan 25 January 2014 13: 31
      +9
      I don’t know, maybe someone has already posted, but it won’t hurt:
      “They are heroes only when our hands are tied ...” An employee of the special forces “Golden eagle”.
      Here is the speech of one of the "Berkut" men, a direct witness and participant in events reminiscent of the underworld in the very center of a once calm state, which, with pain and simple words, stated what it saw and felt there.
      We give the confession of the employee of the special forces "Golden eagle" without corrections or reductions.
      “In the media, everyone fabricates and carries a complete lie. In Donetsk, people don’t know what’s going on here!
      They show little things and put everything as if we were just killing civilians and mutilating demonstrators. And no one shows how we were blown up and burned. From VV and Berkut they made some kind of fascists in the media, the whole press was bought!
      The riots began on the 23rd. On TV, stsuka, 2 days not a word. And then no one showed how German offensive marches played under the Cabinet of Ministers and flags developed with swastikas and runes of the Third Reich.
      No one saw how an 18-year-old conscript soldier was crucified on a grate on the gate in the arch at the entrance to one of the courtyards, they did not show how
      the bus did not go on the demonstrators when it was blocked, and stopped the bus. The Nazis tore up this bus, there were a dozen golden eagles. Explosion packs were thrust under the bulletproof vests, under the knee-pads, and we couldn’t break through them for twenty minutes.
      No one showed broken arms and legs, hundreds of broken helmets and charred bodies in burn departments throughout the Kiev region. Permanent
      firearms. And one guy on the Cabinet on the 24th stood next to me, then after another wave crawled to his knees. We thought a gas mask failed, and he lost consciousness. But when he was pulled out of service, his helmet and gas mask were removed, an awl in his throat was sticking out under his collar.
      We sat locked for 3 days in the Cabinet. There were only 900 of us and 35 thousand of them. They didn’t show our buses without windows and many, many other things on TV.
      B ******, 10 km from Kiev (in Vasilkov) there was a convoy with tiger cubs from the Crimea blocked. This is our shift. And the bandits set a crowd in front of them and
      not allowed into the city.
      Not a single n **** official takes responsibility to give orders to kill them there and give way to the convoy. All generals are either on vacation or on sick leave. There is no one to command. Each Mr. **** is afraid for his seat.
      At Bankova, when the bandits tore the conscripts, we stood 500 meters in the courtyard of the Treasury. They didn’t give us a “fas” command for an hour and a half. These guys were simply sacrificed there. But in general they were even forbidden to take shields at first. And the command they only had to hold the position, and not apply any measures of physical impact.
      Because we are here, as it turned out, we are not eliminating the unrest, but ensuring public safety at a peaceful rally. And on TV they just say that we are peaceful students n ****. Yes, there would be such a one in the USA, these, stsuka, oppositionists would already be declared terrorists and, stsuka, from their machine gun.
      At the top are some traitors. And from the special forces, everyone will just make scapegoats at the end. And what kind of thread the polkan will then say "but I did not give them a command, it was they who arbitrarily dealt with, I generally was at the hospital on this time." We have three water cannons and 2500 golden eagles.
      They would give good, we would be able to block them and kill everyone ourselves at Bankovaya, ”says the Berkutovets.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 January 2014 14: 12
        +18
        Quote: bogdan
        Yes, there would be such a one in the USA, these, stsuka, oppositionists would already be declared terrorists and, stsuka, from their machine gun.

        1. bask
          bask 25 January 2014 14: 44
          +9
          Yes prisect, tough as in sysha.

          He attacked a policeman - a bullet in the forehead.

        2. SHILO
          SHILO 25 January 2014 14: 57
          +3
          Where did you get such a gif?!?! Photo instruction to Berkut !!!
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      3. Jeglov
        Jeglov 25 January 2014 15: 15
        +13
        Sorry for the men! Hold on please!

        They say correctly - God save me from my friends, but I can handle the enemies myself!
        These shitty officials put themselves in ranks instead of boys - let them fight! Tied hand and foot - take the oath. I have no words!
        1. DEMENTIY
          DEMENTIY 25 January 2014 15: 23
          +4
          Quote: Jeglov
          Hold on please!





          Well, Cho Kostyan Saigu cleaned? How does it strip Picatini strips? I told you - do not buy popcorn!
          1. SHILO
            SHILO 25 January 2014 15: 41
            +4
            Quote: DEMENTIY
            Well, Cho Kostyan Saigu cleaned



            Long cleaned. How is SVT doing? Do not wedge?
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 25 January 2014 15: 55
              +5
              Quote: SHILO
              Quote: DEMENTIY
              Well, Cho Kostyan Saigu cleaned


              Long cleaned. How is SVT doing? Do not wedge?

              I wonder if it burns - the Russian customs will be malicious or not when traveling to Ukraine?
              1. SHILO
                SHILO 25 January 2014 17: 56
                +7
                Quote: PSih2097
                I wonder if it burns - the Russian customs will be malicious or not when traveling to Ukraine?



                Already a brother! Already blazing.
              2. dr.star75
                dr.star75 26 January 2014 00: 06
                0
                Of course, on the border of Poland and the vehicle
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          2. Jeglov
            Jeglov 25 January 2014 15: 55
            +2
            Zdarov, since you're not joking? I wipe with a rag! Chet about grunts I do not remember ..
  • rolik2
    rolik2 25 January 2014 20: 59
    +6
    Three mudila in January
    On the Maidan by the moon
    Howling like jackals
    They ask for outside help.
    The snow-white ass of Europe,
    Licked to clean
    They ask, they pray: “Help,
    We are yours, we are ours!
    We are the people and Ukraine
    We will give you a gift!
    And when it all calms down
    We will quietly run away!
    It's not scary to walk in lackeys
    After all, they pay us for it!
    I'm for euro, damn it, currency,
    I’ll sell my soul to the devil!
    In the lackeys it is calmer
    With the euro you can not suffer
    And what will happen to Ukraine,
    We sneeze and don't give a damn! ”
    Three mudila in January
    On the Maidan with the moon
    Surrendered to Nenko Ukraine
    For currency, for UE!
  • uizik
    uizik 25 January 2014 21: 00
    +1
    Don't tell me! And why then seize the Regional State Administration and the Westerners establish their power? Everything is thought out and prepared long ago! SBU is not clear what it is doing. Yanukovych stumbled upon a peaceful end to the putsch, which is almost impossible. Decisive measures are needed, otherwise they will hang on a post. They didn’t want a little blood, they can get a lot! Even if this Maidan is extinguished now, sooner or later this abscess will come out. It is better to carry out a "surgical" operation earlier!
    1. SIBUR-DV
      SIBUR-DV 25 January 2014 23: 51
      +1
      Can. Yanyka's youth was held in places not so distant. And then throw a fraer is a common thing. And throw more than once again. Both Russia and Europe. Almost Yanyk is a political deceased. And now we are witnessing attempts on the one hand to make him a dead man real, on the other to revive.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 26 January 2014 00: 13
        0
        So he probably sat in the "red", and understands that it is better to be friends with the "owner", and not to throw, his own dear.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 26 January 2014 01: 47
    +2
    There is no goal, but they cause confusion. Donbass guys need to intervene. Oh, they will bring order vividly. They will knock helmets on hot OUN heads and silence will come. only here the janitors work a lot.
  • AVV
    AVV 26 January 2014 13: 47
    0
    The more indecisiveness of the Ukrainian leadership, the more they drive the country into chaos !!! All this Maidan shushera can only respect strength! And now they feel weak, they use it !!!
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 25 January 2014 07: 32
    +11
    Well, apparently Russia will join the east. There will be a lot of blood. Maidanut spit on the blood, they degenerate
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 January 2014 07: 46
      +1
      There will be no such accession .. Why Russia eastern Ukraine? Another area? To be? Silly.
      But the creation of a state loyal to Russia, yes ... With the collapse of Ukraine, all three parts will become tidbits for other countries
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 25 January 2014 07: 52
        +2
        We will not join others will join. There is no other choice.

        Quote: domokl
        But the creation of states loyal to Russia


        Are there modern examples?
        1. domokl
          domokl 25 January 2014 07: 57
          +4
          Quote: Tatarus
          We will not join others will join. There is no other choice.

          Eastern Ukraine will not go under others ..
          Quote: Tatarus
          Are there modern examples?

          Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Both states were begging to join Russia ...
      2. makarov
        makarov 25 January 2014 08: 21
        +4
        if the prisoner creeps out into the wild, she quickly disavows the leaders of the Maidan, and will rule herself. with its hysterical authority and charisma present, it will not allow to divide Ukraine, and what will happen later (?), hell knows belay
        1. domokl
          domokl 25 January 2014 08: 47
          +3
          Quote: makarov
          she quickly disavows the leaders of the Maidan,

          In this version, in my opinion, she is the only politician who can become a substitute for the protest movement. She will not even have to do anything special ... Already, many Ukrainians understand that the revolution has gone the wrong way ...
          Is this majority sitting on the anvil now and thinking where? On the one hand, the government that brought the country to a hilt, on the other, outright fascism ... And there is no third ... The prisoner is precisely that third.
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 25 January 2014 10: 01
            +7
            Quote: makarov
            if a prisoner creeps out into the wild

            She will disperse this trinity in an hour, and Klitschko will personally put on an electric train to Germany.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 25 January 2014 10: 13
              +11
              Quote: Sergh
              She will disperse this trinity in an hour, and Klitschko will personally put on an electric train to Germany.

              So I see - Julia on a stretcher, but with a 10cm high-heeled shoe, as the hetman's mace indicates the direction of the whole trinity in ... to ... to ..., and then, standing on the walkers, leads a peaceful demonstration on Grushevsky! laughing
          2. SHILO
            SHILO 25 January 2014 13: 28
            +6
            Quote: domokl
            In this version, in my opinion, she is the only politician who can become a substitute for the protest movement. She will not even have to do anything special ... Already, many Ukrainians understand that the revolution has gone the wrong way ...


            Are you kidding me? Cattle help ?! You near Rostov, Syria was born with 46 million!
            1. bask
              bask 25 January 2014 13: 35
              +5
              Quote: SHILO
              Cattle help ?!

              But this one, pr *******, has its own followers.
              Mostly retirement age. lol
              1. SHILO
                SHILO 25 January 2014 13: 49
                +2
                Quote: bask
                Mostly retirement age.


                They will simply be shot. "Snipers from the Roof". Ridiculous !!! watch the script being written.
        2. avt
          avt 25 January 2014 11: 43
          +5
          Quote: makarov
          if the prisoner creeps out into the wild, she quickly disavows the leaders of the Maidan, and will rule herself. with its hysterical authority and charisma present

          And that is why they do not let the oppositionists out and do not demand.
          Quote: makarov
          she will not allow to divide Ukraine

          I think that you are mistaken. She’s a grated woman, she’ll lead what’s there, that's what her hands will get to. But she can easily bleed, a bitchy woman and without brakes, these are the ones in politics and so she really would try to saddle precisely the western most active banderlogs, and this blood immediately and seriously.
        3. SHILO
          SHILO 25 January 2014 18: 13
          +3
          Quote: makarov
          if the prisoner creeps out into the wild, she quickly disavows the leaders of the Maidan, and will rule herself. with its hysterical authority and charisma present, it will not allow to divide Ukraine, and what will happen later (?), hell knows



          Thought for a long time! What are you !? Seriously, do you consider this body as a "peacemaker"?!?
      3. Arhj
        Arhj 25 January 2014 09: 03
        +3
        Most likely there will really be no accession, but not because Russia does not want to. The most loyal territory is your own territory, and the annexation of Crimea would also solve a number of strategic tasks. Bear in mind that Ukraine is a Russian state with real growth prospects, so its annexation and accession, for example, South Ossetia are not the same thing.
        But it must be borne in mind that Yanukovych’s entourage is precisely the elite of Eastern Ukraine, and this elite does not want to go to Russia. That is, they simply will not be allowed to join. And at the expense of loyalty to Russia, if the same Yanukovych remains in power in the east, it is also doubtful.
        1. alone
          alone 25 January 2014 11: 09
          +6
          however, some hypocrisy rolls over. In words, they advocate fraternal Ukraine and its people)) and in fact they already divide it into pieces, and at the same time do not forget themselves in this division.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 25 January 2014 12: 05
            +5
            Quote: lonely
            and in fact they are already dividing it into pieces, and at the same time not forgetting themselves in this division.


            decomposition of Ukraine according to the "Ukrainian" Andrey Vajra:
            1. alone
              alone 25 January 2014 12: 53
              +1
              Quote: seller trucks
              decomposition of Ukraine according to the "Ukrainian" Andrey Vajra:


              the locomotive furnace cries for such "Ukrainians!" am
            2. seller trucks
              seller trucks 25 January 2014 14: 03
              +7
              In vain you are so, the scenario is quite optimistic, and Vajra, a similar situation happening now in Ukraine, predicted 10 years ago, it’s worth mentioning that it hit all 100 ... and you don’t like it, it’s not a girl.
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 25 January 2014 19: 53
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            In words, they advocate fraternal Ukraine and its people))

            brotherly people will live in Russia
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 25 January 2014 11: 19
          +5
          Quote: Arhj
          oh you need to consider that the environment of Yanukovych is just the elite of Eastern Ukraine, and this elite does not want to go to Russia. That is, they simply will not be allowed to join. And at the expense of loyalty to Russia, if the same Yanukovych remains in power in the east, it is also doubtful.

          Who will ask these 3,14 daras ?!
          These are clowns !!!
      4. ATATA
        ATATA 25 January 2014 11: 16
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        There will be no such accession .. Why Russia eastern Ukraine? Another area? To be? Silly.
        But the creation of a state loyal to Russia, yes ... With the collapse of Ukraine, all three parts will become tidbits for other countries

        hi With all due respect, you surprise me!
        "Ukrainian Gambit. War 2015".
        This is what will happen if Russia simply does not join south-eastern Ukraine.
        Pretty infantility! This is about LIFES of people!
        ps And the first according to new laws should sit Yanyk.
        For criminal inaction.
        1. bask
          bask 25 January 2014 11: 32
          +5
          Quote: ATATA
          "Ukrainian Gambit. War 2015".
          This is what will happen if Russia simply does not join south-eastern Ukraine.

          Putin will not decide on such a development scenario.
          Attach eastern Ukraine and Crimea to Russia, no one will not.
          But to support an independent southeastern Ukrainian state is yes.
          And they recognize independence.
          Integrity in Ukraine is already undermined by the Nazis in the western regions.
          And there they well remember who the Bandera people are and what their bloody regime represents.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 25 January 2014 12: 16
            +1
            Quote: bask
            But to support an independent southeastern Ukrainian state is yes.

            Basque hi !
            And Abkhazia and Ossetia will sooner or later become Russia, the same will be with southeastern Ukraine.
            1. bask
              bask 25 January 2014 13: 16
              +2
              Quote: ATATA
              And Abkhazia and Ossetia will sooner or later become Russia, the same will be with southeastern Ukraine.

              And you hi ATTACK.
              I agree in the future, YES, as part of Russia.
              Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
              because they are fascists, they are trying to occupy Ukraine

              History in Ukraine is repeated immediately without fantasy and farce.


              1. wax
                wax 26 January 2014 01: 23
                +3
                Go sheep
                And beat the drums
                And they give skin
                The rams themselves.

                The butcher is calling. Behind him foolish rams
                They rumble blindly, beyond the link,
                And those who have long been skinned in a slaughterhouse,
                They are in service with the living at the same time.

                B. Brecht
          2. ArhipenkoAndrey
            ArhipenkoAndrey 25 January 2014 12: 44
            +10
            Looking at the photo, for some reason I want to take up arms, because they are fascists, they are trying to occupy Ukraine, remember the 1941 European progressor, he also came to this land, my grandmother told me about his reforms and the new order, and these creatures are guided by his ideas and they are also torn to power through defeat and death, and after defeating these will be robbing and killing as their predecessors, none of these will already work - these are parasites-worms.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 25 January 2014 11: 39
          +9
          Quote: ATATA
          And the first according to new laws should sit Yanyk.
          For criminal inaction.

          The current situation in Ukraine is a test not only for the authorities, said President Viktor Yanukovych. “This is a difficult time for our state, a test time not only for the authorities, I am convinced that for the whole Ukrainian people”, “Every day I think about these people who came out for these actions ... I have never understood violence in my life, and it’s hard for me now to give an answer, what is the price of violence. The greatest value that each of us has is life, ”the President emphasized.
          According to Viktor Yanukovych, he sincerely pity people who are forced to be on the street in difficult conditions. “Looking at the weather and the conditions people are in, humanly feel sorry for these people,” he said. He also noted that he remains a supporter of European integration. “Way out of the situation - let's take a break, see what conditions we will sign (Association Agreement with the European Union), what the plan will be,” the President said.
          Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-136715.html
          XXXX
          And here are the answers to his "sorry"
          -If this moron is sorry for the people who want to kill him (and us too), then let them bring them cookies like Nuland. Lepota and splendor are following.
          -And what about the European Union? Tire smoke sniffed, spineless?
          -The impression is that our companion carries a rake with him, our song is good, start over again, European integration again .... Is he mocking or what? ...... he feels sorry for the people (and we then WHO ???) if that is "people" ... Wait, wait .... the point of no return has come. How many more golden eagles need to be put on the altar of the Nazis so that you are a GUARANTEE KHRENOV raised his ass and did something. Blow out of the barrel and tell us something intelligible and don't sit with a sour face, (A pitiful sight). YOU ARE A MAN!
          -Don't hold us for suckers, guarantor. This is firstly. We know what you are most sorry for, and you are afraid to lose. And secondly, if you feel sorry for these bandits, then pray for golden eagles about it they didn’t recognize who are protecting you from them now, and nobody pities them!
          -Kuchma, Kravchuk, Yushchenko, Yanukovych in court for the collapse of the country! Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok, Klitschko the highest measure!
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 25 January 2014 12: 19
            +10
            Quote: Egoza
            “Every day I think about these people who came out for these actions ...

            "And the compote does not pour down the throat
            and the caviar does not fit into the mouth. "(C)
          2. SIBUR-DV
            SIBUR-DV 25 January 2014 21: 06
            0
            But what about Julia ???
  • domokl
    domokl 25 January 2014 07: 38
    +2
    Tough, but in many ways, alas, true ... The western part of Ukraine does not submit to Kiev even now. And the blockade of military units is carried out, and the Golden Eagle of Lviv is being massively scattered ... And the block is standing ... Yes, and Crimea, it seems to me, he will soon announce independence, or rather, federal relations with Kiev.
    The only thing that is doubtful is the deployment of NATO and Russia troops. Why? With the hands of Ukrainians everything will be perfectly carried out. And the neighbors will remain white and fluffy ...
    By the way, now I am writing and listening to the Maidan at the same time ... Everything is fine. If the boom-boom-boom, then everything is calm ... If the boom-boom-boom-boom-boom, depending on speed, then either ours or not ours switched to active actions somewhere. .. (ours, it’s for anyone to perceive)
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 25 January 2014 11: 21
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      Tough, but in many ways, alas, true ..

      Yes, it’s not clear why the fantasy article genre ?!
      An article was written a month ago, or yesterday on real events ?!
  • altman
    altman 25 January 2014 07: 49
    +2
    Something very similar to the real development of events ... Even too much ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 January 2014 07: 59
      +3
      Do you think that the practical seizure of power in Western Ukraine is not real events?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 25 January 2014 10: 07
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        Do you think that the practical seizure of power in Western Ukraine is not real events?

        "Today, about 4 thousand protesters tried to storm the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Cherkasy region. During the picketing of the regional police building, people began to actively make their way through the police cordon deep into the building. The oppositionists, including People's Deputy Leonid Datsenko and Deputy of the Cherkasy City Council Nikolai Bulatetsky, were prevented spontaneous assault with shouts of “People, do not fall for provocations!” It is reported that during a scuffle with the police during an attempted assault, an unknown person stole a service pistol from the holster of a police officer. streets near the police building. An explosion occurred on the territory of the Cherkasy regional police department, as a result of which 7 windows were damaged. There were no casualties among citizens and police officers. Experts are working at the scene, the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in Cherkasy region reported. to the fact criminal proceedings are pending under Part 4 of Art. 296 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (hooliganism), which is punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years.
        Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-136741.html
        XXXX
        Well, that's why "hooliganism"? HERE ALREADY OTHER ARTICLES NECESSARY TO APPLY !!!
        1. domokl
          domokl 25 January 2014 10: 59
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Well, that's why "hooliganism"? HERE ALREADY OTHER ARTICLES NECESSARY TO APPLY !!!

          Television Maydanovtsev gives a map of the seizure of power in the country ... Almost all of the south-west, west and part of central Ukraine are already in their hands
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 25 January 2014 11: 11
            +3
            Quote: domokl
            Television Maydanovtsev gives a map of the seizure of power in the country ...

            Well, this is the television Maidan. Over half have already been recaptured there! Remained mainly in the oblast memory.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 25 January 2014 18: 40
              +3
              Quote: Egoza
              Well, this is the television Maidan. Over half have already been recaptured there! Remained mainly in the oblast memory.

              Well, at least there is a positive ...
              Thank you Elena!
        2. Dezot
          Dezot 25 January 2014 12: 54
          +2
          One gets the impression that they are "testing the waters" before more serious, forceful actions. First, administrative buildings in Kiev, then they tried their hand at the regions, now reconnaissance in force is already on the buildings of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It already smacks of terrorism.
      2. altman
        altman 25 January 2014 14: 29
        +4
        No, I just think that the author clearly outlined the subsequent development of events .. And it also seems that Russia managed to defend Syria, but an attack was struck on Ukraine !!! a new hotbed of tension in close proximity .. clearly planned and directed
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 25 January 2014 07: 51
    +2
    Now on the weekend, psychopaths will multiply and aggravate sad
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 January 2014 10: 09
      +3
      Quote: ZU-23
      Now on the weekend, psychopaths will multiply and aggravate

      Well already !!!!
      "On Hrushevsky Street in Kiev, clashes began again, the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs reports." Stones, Molotov cocktails are flying towards the police, the attackers are using a catapult to throw charges, "the press service said. lengthy negotiations between the opposition and the authorities and preliminary agreements on an armistice, radical forces again began to provoke the police to use force. "
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-136734.html
      1. bask
        bask 25 January 2014 11: 42
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Well already !!!!
        “Clashes began again on Hrushevsky Street in Kiev, the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs reports.“ Stones, Molotov cocktails are flying towards the police, the attackers are using catapults to throw charges

        And not only .EGOZA.
        Weapons are used. What is it traumatic or military ????
        EVERYTHING IS DECIDED, ONE SHOT AND ONE DIED FROM A BULLET Wound.
        After that, real war and chaos.

        But this, already (gigan) hunting cartridge, with a lead bullet of the 12th caliber.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 25 January 2014 12: 51
          +4
          Quote: bask
          Weapons are used. What is it traumatic or military ????

          As a friend said, it’s mainly a gas cylinder, and there are injuries and gas workers and war trunks ...
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        3. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 25 January 2014 16: 29
          +3
          Not a zhigan, but a ZHEKAN. So the people call this ammunition.
          1. bask
            bask 25 January 2014 17: 08
            +1
            Quote: wanderer_032
            Not a zhigan, but a ZHEKAN.

            wanderer, true ZHEKAN (typo).
            But this is the official, hunting name, such a bullet. Not any folk folklore.
            Cartridges 12x76 zhekan - an improved cartridge with a caliber of 12 mm, which has increased armor-piercing action. http://en.stalker.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D
            1%8B_12x76_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD

            But my post was not about ammunition and their names. hi
  • major071
    major071 25 January 2014 07: 59
    +12
    I like to read fantasy very much. But for some reason, this scenario seems to me nifiga not fantasy, but every day more and more realistic. Everything, in principle, goes to this. Western Ukraine will no longer recognize the power of Kiev; in Kiev itself, a full-scale war will soon begin. The power of nichrome does nothing, which I hope, I don’t know. fool
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 25 January 2014 08: 35
      +10
      Definitely not a fantasy. Just written by an intelligent person who knows how to look a little further.
      The only thing - the ending let us down. It is unlikely that planes with our paratroopers will take off, because there is no need. The Pope will really be able to achieve his goal with a policy of "non-interference" and meaningful silence. History has shown more than once that great things were done in silence.

      Crimea as an autonomous region (first) and then a republic within a federation ...? Absolutely not nonsense, in my opinion. The only question is in which federation. It seems to me that I know one, which will be with two hands (well, where will Dimka's hand go if Vovkina climbs up? :)) “for”.

      Western Ukraine ... Well, it’s not good news what a gift, if you look soberly.

      Yes, and more. How it all happened almost on time ... Nord Stream is working, Yuzhny is on its way ... Europe need not be afraid to freeze ...
  • wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 25 January 2014 08: 19
    +4
    God forbid, this scenario will come true.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 25 January 2014 09: 27
      +4
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      God forbid, this scenario will come true.

      On the Maidan graffiti flaunts - "God gave us war", guess at once who and why he "created".
  • tomket
    tomket 25 January 2014 08: 20
    +4
    Maidan in Ukraine is currently the United States provocation, and even sharing it will lead to a dialogue with the United States, and I doubt that Hungary will allow America to open its mouth, even to a small short, and even more so Romania, as you know, father will first families at the table, and then everyone else. America is more profitable the integrity of the Western piece than crushing it into strange fragments. And most likely it will be the separation of Little Russia, with recognition of its sovereignty according to the Abkhazian scenario, and then its rapid incorporation into Russia. Well, it may be possible to buy a corrupt Kiev, and the West will make up the very independent Ukraine.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 January 2014 10: 19
      +4
      Quote: tomket
      Maidan in Ukraine is currently the US provocation,

      There is no doubt about that. However, it seems to me that they have already given the command to find the extreme and are trying to whitewash themselves. Well, not just like that suddenly an article
      “The Ukrainian media are directly responsible for the outbreak of violence on the Euromaidan. The authoritative American magazine The Nation directly writes about this in the article“ Ukrainian nationalism in the heart of the Euromaidan. ”“ The outbreak of violence ignited by the Right Sector showed how uncritical and unseeing the majority of Ukrainian media are. belonged to the ultra-right parties and movements that played a leading role in the Euromaidan ... Media coverage of the protests focused on calls for European integration and the fight against the Yanukovych regime, but at the same time, the growth of nationalist rhetoric, often chauvinistic, was largely hushed up, which led to violence , directed not only against the police, but also against left-wing activists, "the media writes. The American magazine analyzes the phrases and slogans popular on the Maidan, and is amazed that even Vitali Klitschko, who has a residence permit in the United States, begins his speeches with Nazi slogans. collaborators of the 1930s. "How can the slogan" Ukraine is above all about!" to sound on the Independence Square along with the slogan "Ukraine in the EU!" - The Nation is amazed. The magazine quotes the former member of "Svoboda" Ivan Ponomarenko, who said about his former party: "They are playing the Ku Klux Klan."
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-136742.html
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 25 January 2014 08: 20
    +22
    Quote: major071
    Western Ukraine will no longer recognize the power of Kiev, in Kiev itself a full-scale war will begin soon. The power of nichrome does nothing, which I hope, I don’t know.


    According to the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a policeman was killed near the hostel in which the Berkut fighters were quartered in Kiev. The body of a law enforcement officer with a gunshot wound to the head was found in the Goloseevsky district of the capital tonight. In addition to the shot policeman, three police officers were attacked and held in the building of the Kiev city state administration. One of them, who tried to resist, was stabbed by opposition supporters.
    "Now the wounded policeman has been released, he has been hospitalized. The fate of two more policemen is unknown," the Ukrainian Interior Ministry's public relations department said.

    And Yanukovych ...
    1. S-200
      S-200 25 January 2014 08: 40
      +8
      political GANDOLLER ...
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 25 January 2014 11: 28
      +7
      Quote: Ascetic
      And Yanukovych ...

      To give their siloviki arbitrarily to criminals The aerobatics of Vukrainian political prostitution.
      They will pay for it.
      1. Kubanets
        Kubanets 25 January 2014 13: 53
        +5
        Their vision of "fantasy" The siloviki, tired of betrayal of the authorities, are carrying out a "forceful" coup, establishing the dictatorship of the police. And a full set of dictatorial values ​​- the prohibition of all parties, the introduction of martial law, the arrest of protest leaders as well as the current government, the introduction of military courts and the death penalty , taking control of the oligarchic media and stepping on the tail of the oligarchs is desirable. The question is, are there decisive generals in Ukraine?
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 26 January 2014 07: 34
          0
          In Ukraine, there is Tyagnibok. And thank God that he is not a general.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 January 2014 07: 46
            0
            Quote: Banshee
            In Ukraine, there is Tyagnibok. And thank God that he is not a general.

            Roma, Hitler was also not a general. The less the rank, the more senility hi
          2. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 26 January 2014 08: 58
            +1
            Quote: Banshee
            In Ukraine, there is Tyagnibok. And thank God that he is not a general.

            So he has such a surname, push Ukraine to the side, only to the west or to the east was not decided laughing
  • Wlad
    Wlad 25 January 2014 08: 30
    +2
    more and more Ukrainian politicians blame the president for everything .. for his inaction .. everything could be resolved in the very first days .. one gets the impression that he deliberately delayed everything .. or he doesn’t decide anything .. the prime minister decides everything from the Kremlin. .
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 January 2014 10: 22
      +2
      Quote: Wlad
      more and more Ukrainian politicians blame the president for everything .. for his inaction .. everything could be resolved in the very first days ..

      "What is the president? Is it just that the president is to blame?" wassat The president says, says, says ...
      "All law enforcement agencies today work within the framework of their powers and the laws of Ukraine. This was stated by President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych during a meeting with the leaders of churches and religious organizations." Today, law enforcement agencies work within their powers. Under the laws that oblige them to monitor order ", - said the Head of State. At the same time, the Head of State stressed that the protesters are divided today." That other, radically-minded part of the Maidan - it will not stop by itself. We see that they are moving on, "the President said He recalled that recently an agreement was reached with three opposition leaders on synchronous actions in order to stop the confrontation, but, according to him, as it turned out, no one hears the opposition. "We are disposed to further negotiations and to search for compromises," he stressed. Victor Yanukovich."
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-136711.html
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 25 January 2014 11: 30
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        “We are determined to further negotiations and to search for compromises,” Viktor Yanukovych emphasized.

        Read it right!
        For further chaos!
  • S-200
    S-200 25 January 2014 08: 42
    +5
    Ukrainian events are American-Russian revenge for Syria ... pressure and political blackmail!
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 25 January 2014 09: 18
      +2
      Syria and Ukraine are independent areas of American politics. In Syria, of course, the states were lowered, but even in the USA itself they admit that, having found a compromise, Russia at the last moment pulled the USA out of a jolt like a toilet - it allowed to save face and not get into another unpromising war.
      Read J. Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Killer. What is happening in Kiev is proceeding according to the developed scenario, when it was not possible to subjugate the country by economically peaceful methods (drive into unbearable debts).
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 25 January 2014 09: 25
      +2
      Quote: S-200
      Ukrainian events are American-Russian revenge for Syria

      Iran add, far from an important reason. Alexander, hi !
  • saber
    saber 25 January 2014 08: 51
    +2
    All the same, I wonder what Yanukovych wants - to go to Honduras and from there, as Gorbachev's eyes clap - "I didn't want blood!"
  • Klim podkova
    Klim podkova 25 January 2014 09: 01
    +4
    This is not fantasy, this is a prediction. And very realistic.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 25 January 2014 11: 31
      +2
      Quote: Klim Podkova
      This is not fantasy, this is a prediction. And very realistic.

      This is not a forecast, it is already a reality!
  • Bepdukt
    Bepdukt 25 January 2014 09: 09
    +3
    Since Putin is silent, it means everything is according to a scenario that is unknown to us. It will be the same for me to divide to the west and east, now it will be hard for us and the west, but then we'll see.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 09: 21
    +2
    The situation is further aggravated by rumors about columns of Russian tanks moving from Kursk to the Ukrainian border.

    The Russian embassy remains silent.

    Yes, it’s time already .. We do not need Egypt and Libya at the borders .. Ukraine and Russia are not divisible ..!
  • Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 25 January 2014 09: 31
    +5
    Today, some politicians have begun talking about the desirability of dividing Ukraine.
    If the collapse is allowed, Russia will receive missile defense interceptors near Sumy.
    There should be no talk of any collapse of Ukraine.
    Politicians and "experts" who impose on us the idea of ​​collapse as the most optimal solution to the crisis are either idiots, or prostitutes paid for by the states.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 January 2014 10: 30
      +5
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      There should be no talk of any collapse of Ukraine.

      It depends on what you mean by "collapse". The visibility of the whole Ukraine will be, but de facto the Eastern and Southern parts will be controlled by the Russian Federation, the memory will certainly be controlled by Europe, and Yanukovych will splendidly sit out his presidency on the stub in the center with which Khmelnitsky came to bow to the Russian Tsar.
      However, it is possible that at last there will be a new contender for the presidency, this time a normal one, and no "collapse" will be required
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 January 2014 13: 01
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        However, it is possible that finally new challenger for the presidency, this time normal, and no "collapse" will be required

        Exactly, this one ...

        and Ukraine will have such a flag and coat of arms.

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  • Igarr
    Igarr 25 January 2014 09: 46
    +10
    Forecasts, forecasts ....
    What are we poking around in a neighboring country?
    In my opinion, there are already more young idiots in front of each other. And what - money and equipment - a shaft. Warm, feed, provide cocktails .... and what not to wake up, especially on Student's Day?
    ...
    I am much more interested in the fate of 15 billion allegedly given to Ukraine.
    Do they really exist somewhere?
    So to find out - where? And how do these 15 billion taken from us contribute to the situation in Ukraine.
    Our figures so far, in general, are silent. These statements are that from the Duma, that from all sorts of press secretaries ... this is nonsense. You just need to show the reaction - that's the reaction.
    And to restore order - it is well known as. By whom, how, where to start, what statements to make.
    These dead and wounded are already beginning ... to tighten the screws.
    ...
    So where is the money? How do they work?
    I do not believe that our analysts did not calculate such a situation in advance.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 25 January 2014 10: 39
      0
      Quote: Igarr
      And how are these 15 billion taken from us

      In memory, the first tranche was given 3-3,5 lard, Putin suspended the second tranche (it was recently in the press) until the showdown stopped.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 25 January 2014 10: 49
        +2
        Understood, thanks ... I, apparently, have snapped up the information.
        However, 3 lard is a pretty big sum.
        ...
        ..
        And now - an appeal to a respected administration.
        Administration, I ask you to make corrections, literary revisions directly to the materials.
        Unless, of course, you have the opportunity.
        Then you skip the almost unveiled mat.
        Then you find out it is unknown what in the unfinished word - pi .. (mine)
        The way in this article - "The Russian embassy is silent like a fish on ice."
        Let me tell you - you can .. "Fight like a fish on ice!" You can - "Be silent like a fish."
        But now - to keep silent like a fish on ice ....... I can’t even imagine .... like that.
        ...
        It is clear that the author, perhaps, wanted to enhance the effect. Where are the quotation marks then?
        And skipping a publication with illiterate errors ........ is fraught.
        It’s one thing when comments come, no one will bother here - an illiterate person or fingers are crooked.
        Hope for understanding,
        Sincerely your Igarr.
        1. valerei
          valerei 25 January 2014 15: 05
          +2
          Igarr, off topic, but purely to your comment: If the comment says: "with illiterate mistakes", then, therefore, there must be "literate mistakes." As the saying goes: "In someone else's eye ...", well, etc.
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 25 January 2014 17: 50
            0
            I agree, Valery, I agree .... literate mistakes - they are literate for that ...
            that they are rarely noticed.
    2. brainkiller
      brainkiller 25 January 2014 11: 17
      0
      Quote: Igarr
      I am much more interested in the fate of 15 billion allegedly given to Ukraine.

      this amount is divided into tranches (parts) and they will be paid during the year by at least how many parts and how much money I do not know in them. As far as I understand, it’s not realistic to immediately release so much money invested in US government bonds. No wonder that the floating away of these 15 billions in the budget greatly upset the United States.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 25 January 2014 17: 56
        +1
        So that's the whole answer turns out ..... boiling-brain ...
        What a great life you live to thin out US government bonds ..... which work for senior retirees in the USA ... let's create a situation for Russia not in a hurry Help Ukraine ...
        You see, Putin will freeze tranches ....
        ...
        What is not an explanation?
        ...
        In the article, in black and white, it is written in Russian - "foremen" of the maydanutyh and grushanutyh receive ... everything ... from the foreign embassies in Kiev ....
        our embassy alone ...... well, etc.
  • Andrey Ulyanovsky
    Andrey Ulyanovsky 25 January 2014 09: 58
    +6
    I personally do not smile at such prospects at the side of Russia. Just shots from Day-Z: swarms of nonhumans rush around and tear to shreds everything that gets in the way; the government is deposed, people skerry along the kennels ...
    This is the state policy of the wise endured: Yanukovych and Co. (ministers' binders)?

  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 25 January 2014 10: 01
    +8
    I will not discuss the article. I will retell my conversation with a neighbor, a conversation three days ago.
    My neighbor downstairs, originally from near Chernivtsi. Has not lived there for 35 years. After the army, he settled in Kazakhstan, and then moved to Russia (after well-known events). There, near Chernivtsi, his mother, brother, sister live. Three days ago, we sat with him over a glass of tea, and he recounted his conversation on Skype with his sister. To his question "What is going on there, what is it for and who needs it," he heard in response: "We just want to travel to Europe without visas and whenever we want. There are all in bulk in stores ... And we have everything here. no matter who or where does not work "Here is the answer.
    1. valerei
      valerei 25 January 2014 15: 15
      +4
      sigizmund472, advise your neighbor to ask your sister on Skype: What? In Europe, from shops where everything is in bulk - they give it all out for nothing, as soon as they hear that they have arrived from Chernivtsi, where "it doesn't matter whoever works where"? I wonder what she will answer.
      1. sigizmund472
        sigizmund472 25 January 2014 19: 10
        +5
        He told her about it himself, though in a slightly different form laughing She said that for 35 years he has been "hungry" request
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 January 2014 20: 04
      +2
      Quote: sigizmund472
      “We just want to travel to Europe without visas and whenever we want. There in stores all in bulk ...

      ... but here are the prices ... especially for the products.
    3. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 January 2014 20: 04
      +1
      Quote: sigizmund472
      “We just want to travel to Europe without visas and whenever we want. There in stores all in bulk ...

      ... but here are the prices ... especially for the products.
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 25 January 2014 10: 05
    +6
    I watched TV.

    Judging by the reports, in Ukraine there is already a civil war between the western part (Galicia) and the eastern.
  • HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 25 January 2014 10: 07
    +6
    Lately, it seems to me that Putin has found a very successful model that can predict geopolitics: perhaps expert advice or a military-political game or computer modeling. At least this explains why:
    1. After every trick of the West, Putin takes a break, and then suddenly issues a decision.
    2. Major successes in foreign policy and weak movement within the country.
    3. Any solution until the last moment is not known to anyone (not a single leak, not even a hint).
  • gych
    gych 25 January 2014 10: 17
    +5
    not well, I am amazed with our power! the farther into the forest the more I want to become a gr.rf! although I was not an ardent supporter of the ts! give ts!
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 10: 17
    +13
    Right now I’m fighting on one Bandera site (there the mat is being rewound .. wassat ) There you can in pure Russian ... But I can not! I immediately remember my favorite VO site ...! ))) As the grandmother whispered fingers become wooden .. laughing Well, if I don’t return, consider me a communist GPU (posthumous) !!! hi
    1. major071
      major071 25 January 2014 10: 53
      +10
      Meehan, if anything, scream! laughing We will come and help! angry
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 11: 29
        +5
        Quote: major071
        Meehan, if anything, scream! laughing We will come and help! angry

        Thank ! I manage .. (name-calling bastards really ..))) bully
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 13: 29
        +10
        Quote: major071
        Meehan, if anything, scream! laughing We will come and help! angry

        All major flunked me .. bastards! Bad GPU from me see .. (the funniest thing when the Jews in Israel supported the Maidan .. (there was shouting cheers and so on) well, I reminded what the Bandera were doing to them .. (just hinted) and all at once "died a brave death. !) So think from where the ears stick out .. bully
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 25 January 2014 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          failed me ... bastards!

          what kind of forum is that? not only are you interested belay
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 13: 52
            +5
            http://censor.net.ua Держи координаты..! Не забудь к моей оскверненной могилке честь отдать молча..!( и главное не верь что они там пишут)
            1. andrei332809
              andrei332809 25 January 2014 13: 57
              +2
              Quote: MIKHAN
              Do not forget to honor my desecrated grave silently ..

              can you shoot with salute?
            2. andrei332809
              andrei332809 25 January 2014 14: 06
              +3
              Quote: MIKHAN
              and most importantly do not believe what they write there)

              this is soooo ... are there really serious adult people? such a passion.
              1. Vitaly Anisimov
                Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 14: 30
                +3
                Maidan is a diagnosis .. (do not get infected ..))) bully
              2. bask
                bask 25 January 2014 14: 57
                +5
                Quote: andrei332809
                this is soooo ... are there really serious adult people? such a passion.

                Great Andrei.
                Not all there are grown-ups, Bandera and criminals.
                A lot of cheated youth.Who sincerely believe that they are doing good for their country.
                1. andrei332809
                  andrei332809 25 January 2014 15: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: bask
                  sincerely believe that they are doing good for their country.

                  healthy, namesake hi
                  and their eyes on what? or can vandalism come up with an acceptable explanation? still happening before their eyes. or rely only on EARS? you, as a doctor, make a diagnosis
                  1. bask
                    bask 25 January 2014 15: 28
                    +5
                    Quote: andrei332809
                    rely only on EARS? you, as a doctor, make a diagnosis

                    Andryukh, I’m not a psychiatrist (I would have to cut something to sew). I imagine in what mode surgeons and traumatologists in Kiev work. Rescuing lives for everyone, regardless of political views. Here's who I need to say thank you.

                    A diagnosis: Zombies, of individual layers of society.
                    And a planned action supported by professional provocateurs.
                    This was already in the 30s in Germany.
                    1. andrei332809
                      andrei332809 25 January 2014 15: 41
                      +2
                      Quote: bask
                      I would have to cut that sew).

                      oh ... on the Maidan, you see, much needs to be cut off. and then what to sew on ... lol
                      1. bask
                        bask 25 January 2014 15: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: andrei332809
                        oh ... on the Maidan, you see, much needs to be cut off. and then what to sew ..

                        Would, the will and desire of the authorities of Ukraine.
                        But state ... Yanukovych, along the way, has neither one nor the other. am
                        he withdrew from power. Everything rests on ,, Golden Eagle ,,,.
                      2. andrei332809
                        andrei332809 25 January 2014 16: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: bask
                        But state ... Yanukovych, along the way, has neither one nor the other.

                        Well then it's up to you. cut him off signs of a strong sex. there is nothing for him to disgrace the male tribe
                      3. bask
                        bask 25 January 2014 16: 35
                        +4
                        Quote: andrei332809
                        have signs of a stronger sex. there is nothing for him to disgrace the male tribe

                        Butt done. laughing
                        Adryuh, he probably doesn’t have these signs at all request.
                        When sawdust is in my head, it is ..... yes, yes, yes.
            3. Docent1984
              Docent1984 25 January 2014 20: 25
              +1
              Yah??? Only Eurodowns can believe this ...
            4. Docent1984
              Docent1984 25 January 2014 20: 25
              0
              Yah??? Only Eurodowns can believe this ...
        2. PiP
          PiP 25 January 2014 14: 36
          +2
          MIKHAN
          Neighing from the content of this "mouthpiece of truth", and they will download comments belay What is the article - "Automaidanist about bullying" Berkut ":" Stripped, for an hour and a half forced to kneel in the snow. "VIDEO" wassat phrase from the article- "We were about 17 people .... about 10-20, and 17 is a very specific number It was second company of the Kiev Golden Eagle", - says Kravtsov." Well done 'Berkuts' - introduced themselves, read the rights, and then began to mock and mock laughing And this Kravtsov even has a runny nose-hardened If someone wants to neigh, go to this site
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 15: 00
            +5
            bully You can laugh and yet the number of maydaunas rolls over .. hehe
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    2. major071
      major071 25 January 2014 14: 37
      +14
      Comrades forum users! As comrade Mikhan bequeathed to us, I ask you to consider him a communist from now on! good Although he has not yet withdrawn his candidacy, but through his actions on another site, he confirmed that he deserves to carry the red banner of the builders of communism high! Hooray, comrades! laughing
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 15: 08
        +5
        You will not believe the major, but I am from the grave (I got out of the eternal ban and immediately continued from the Kalash in short bursts of war ..! Glory to the FSB!))) bully
        1. Yegorchik
          Yegorchik 25 January 2014 15: 15
          +2
          I can’t get registered there writes an error. Who got registered support Mikhan.
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 16: 17
            +1
            Quote: Egorchik
            I can’t get registered there writes an error. Who got registered support Mikhan.

            There is no need to register .. the main numbers are correct to type ..) In general, the shaitan is the site of the ekarny babai .. am
  • Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 25 January 2014 10: 21
    +2
    The worst thing is that more and more people are beginning to annoy Yanukovych and K.
  • Bumbik
    Bumbik 25 January 2014 10: 21
    -36%
    In the news on TV, Putin's journalists call the protesters radicals, bandits, almost terrorists, and, moreover, they always shoot from the side of these "evil creatures." Probably a point they have there press-bench press with a camera to run
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 25 January 2014 11: 37
      +9
      I’m not an ardent supporter of Putin and I’m not far from journalism. But I also call Madowns and Natsik and fascists and scum. And before the terrorists they did not have much to suck. Terror from the side of Bandera, in principle, has already begun.
      and their first goal isfamilies of Berkutovites and dissenting deputies
    2. MVS
      MVS 25 January 2014 11: 49
      +5
      Quote: Bumbik
      In the news on TV, Putin's journalism calls rallying radicals, bandits, almost terrorists

      Can you refute this?
    3. Astrey
      Astrey 25 January 2014 16: 15
      +3
      The neologism appeared in the Ukrainian media: RALLIES. Applied to the radicals from the street Grushevsky ...
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 January 2014 18: 38
        +2
        Quote: Astrey
        The neologism appeared in the Ukrainian media: RALLIES. Applied to the radicals from the street Grushevsky ...

        i call them "puppies"...
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  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 25 January 2014 10: 22
    +2
    Allegedly, the future president of Ukraine, Herr Klitschko, recently went out to the people and read on a piece of paper that an agreement was not reached. It is ridiculous that the opposition has such leaders? Most likely, this trio is fake.
    The true leaders of the movement are still in the shadows. But it is felt that the scenario for the events is well planned. I’ve been browsing the Ukrainian media for a long time and noticed how, even after the 20th, pro-government publications started an information war against the government. All sorts of local analysts came to the fore, with provocative aunts, valor
    strikers, etc. It is clear that everything is so bad that there is nowhere else!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 January 2014 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Neophyte
      Allegedly, future president of Ukraine Herr Klitschko recently went out to the people and read a piece of paper that an agreement had not been reached.

      But Mr. Merkel strongly recommended that Yanukovych have a conversation with the opposition only in the face of Klitschko !!!! angry
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 25 January 2014 18: 48
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        But Mr. Merkel strongly recommended that Yanukovych have a conversation with the opposition only in the face of Klitschko !!!!

        Elena!
        I did not think that Klyachko was a gerontophile ... laughing
  • Silvio
    Silvio 25 January 2014 10: 31
    0
    Their main gangster is still a rare political mediocrity. Why did he close Julia ??? The leading actress of the all-Ukrainian show was sent to the bunk and the local gopot had no other entertainment but to bomb state institutions. Show must go on! Where art ends, wars begin.
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 25 January 2014 10: 31
    +4
    Why?

    Why is the power in Ukraine so toothless and helpless?

    Why is Klitschko not arrested for outright provocation?

    Why do crowds of hooligans and lawless people rage in Kiev?

    PS I wish that at the moment of exacerbation and revolution in Ukraine there is a "little corporal", as it was on the 13th Vendemere in 1795 in Paris.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 January 2014 11: 16
      +1
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      Why is Klitschko not arrested for outright provocation?

      He is a deputy, like the other provocateurs (except Lutsenko. Released - regretted on his own head). At deputies IMMEDIATE !!! It’s not so easy to arrest.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 26 January 2014 07: 45
        0
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        I wish that at the moment of exacerbation and revolution in Ukraine there is a "little corporal", as it was on the 13th Vendemier in 1795 in Paris.


        Or maybe there will be enough in the history of "little corporals" and "little corporals"? One hell didn't end well for either one or the other.
  • Silvio
    Silvio 25 January 2014 10: 38
    +3
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    PS I wish that at the moment of exacerbation and revolution in Ukraine there is a "little corporal", as it was on the 13th Vendemere in 1795 in Paris.

    It was this year that the last partition of Poland between the R. Empire and the European Union of the two German states took place.
    1. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 26 January 2014 08: 50
      +1
      So! I did not write about the "little corporal".

      I believe that Ukraine should be in order, not a mess!

      Yanukovych, as the events of last night showed, finally proved himself as a rag and political prostitute.

      In Ukraine, there is now complete impotence of the current executive branch, creeping seizure of regions by the pro-Western (in every sense) opposition.

      It seems that the oligarchs will merge Yanukovych.

      And then what?

      Where will Ukraine get the money if Russia refuses to pay? China? It's funny ... No country will help Ukraine, as long as there is a mess in the government and the threat of civil war remains.


      No country except Russia!

      You ask, what am I talking about money?

      And remember the interview of Ukrainian ministers from December 2013! What did they say?

      What if not for the help of Russia, then there was only money left for a month.

      And these are pensions, salaries to state employees, etc.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 10: 40
    0
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Neophyte
    Allegedly, future president of Ukraine Herr Klitschko recently went out to the people and read a piece of paper that an agreement had not been reached.

    But Mr. Merkel strongly recommended that Yanukovych have a conversation with the opposition only in the face of Klitschko !!!! angry

    Klitschko will sign everything .. and assent .. (as he looked at McCainey for an ingratiating ..) Eh Ukraine Ecarnaya Babai ... stop
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 January 2014 19: 02
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Quote: Egoza
      Quote: Neophyte
      Allegedly, future president of Ukraine Herr Klitschko recently went out to the people and read a piece of paper that an agreement had not been reached.

      But Mr. Merkel strongly recommended that Yanukovych have a conversation with the opposition only in the face of Klitschko !!!! angry

      Klitschko will sign everything .. and assent .. (as he looked at McCainey for an ingratiating ..) Eh Ukraine Ecarnaya Babai ... stop




      cool ...
      1. bask
        bask 25 January 2014 21: 22
        0
        "" "Witness" "" "of the European Union.
        And in this photo, he is.

        And his face is somehow frightened. On the demotivator still smiles.

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      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 26 January 2014 07: 48
        0
        Why are you so clinging to Klitschko?

        A person wants to live ... But a good life - all the more. Scarecrow, carcass, dummy in front of television cameras - but I want to.

        And then, a little head sick, whatever one may say. He’ve been getting spoils on her all his life, so what do you want now?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 January 2014 08: 00
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          A person wants to live ... But to live well - all the more

          And he probably sucks living with bank accounts of 120 million bucks.
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 25 January 2014 11: 00
    +3
    America is fighting without declaring war. Smiling polites it's time to stop.
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 25 January 2014 11: 05
    +1
    The "multi-vector" policy implies not only receiving carrots from all sides, but also the possibility of getting a whip from an unexpected side. What we see is that flirting with ALL political forces does not lead to good.
  • Stasi
    Stasi 25 January 2014 11: 05
    +1
    The described scenario is not so incredible, given the chaos that began in the western regions of Ukraine. It seems that Bandera began to seize power, all of these opposition leaders do not have a decree for them. The situation on Maidan is getting more and more out of the control of the opposition itself, the authorities will have no choice but to restore order with an iron hand, otherwise everything will turn out to be a lot of blood.
  • kind
    kind 25 January 2014 11: 16
    +1
    In fact, on the Maidan there is a genocide of mercenaries against the people of Ukraine. Moreover, they are well funded by the West. It is necessary to give them an ultimatum: Either they leave at 24 o’clock, or the power stripping will begin.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 25 January 2014 11: 42
    +23
    Speaking of fiction
    Russian science fiction writer Sergey Lukyanenko admitted in his blog that he does not support Euromaidan in Ukraine. “From time to time people come in (usually from Ukraine) and pathetically exclaim:“ Oh, how can you be against the Maidan! I grew up on your books, and now I am deeply disappointed in you! ” Dig, bash! In the tail and in the mane! What could have even suggested to you that I could sympathize with: outspoken Nazis, Russophobes, anti-Semites, people destroying Russia, because Kiev and all of Ukraine is part of a united Great Russia, pogromists, rapists, liars and traitors, people throwing stones at and the "Molotov cocktail" of the police, which is forbidden to beat idiots, people who call to "beat the wives and children of policemen", people who hate Russia and Russians - some from their own deep non-Russians, and some from even deeper climbers. What in my books could even suggest that I can support this red-haired Maidan trash? What in my books could at least suggest the idea that for the sake of readers and circulation I would be afraid to voice my position - I will keep silent or get off with a sluggish intellectual "plague on both your houses"? " - wrote Lukyanenko. “Yes, Yanukovych is not your cake. He is a greedy and unprincipled man. But those who riot in the streets and those who support them are not people at all. Choosing whom and how to support, of course, the Ukrainians. But I have the right to voice my opinion - like any Russian. Even if it hurts someone. Even if the offended are my readers, ”the writer added.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-136683.html
    1. bogdan
      bogdan 25 January 2014 14: 54
      +4
      Well done, powerful !!!
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 25 January 2014 11: 44
    +18
    Message from the Oplot leader
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 25 January 2014 12: 32
      +3
      All is true. hi recourse
  • duke
    duke 25 January 2014 11: 48
    +4
    Eeeeehh ... on the Maidan they sing again ... the house disappeared ... I think the eastern part will become part of Russia, the people are tired of the mess, and they feel Russian and feel and there’s nothing terrible here - their people ... otherwise well, where do they go? In addition, the whole East is Russia, the whole of Novorossia- Potemkin lands, so everything is logical ... Otherwise, the Pans of the Poles sleep and see and blow bubbles from the opened perspectives, from mozh to mozh ... the options of the East and we don’t have much ... It is necessary to think over a technical solution to the issue, a referendum in the east and in Russia and a direct reunion, or a more sophisticated and modern version of the type of Europa ...
  • bear
    bear 25 January 2014 11: 55
    +2
    and the stranglehold drags on slowly, horseradish
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 12: 16
    0
    The collapse of Ukraine will not be! Bandera (and who controls them) just achieve this ... By little by little, they will reach the borders of Russia .. Not a meter of Slavic land with the sacred and watered blood of our ancestors .. Stand for death !!! Figs with her with the Olympics .. Tanks and introduce our special forces .. Poland and the Baltic countries introduce economic sanctions .. close borders .. Iskander uncovered in Kaliningrad .. In Belarus, raise the squadron Sushek .. (well, I think Lukashenko already announced the highest in the army level of combat readiness ..) The Slavs want to destroy us, this intervention is impudent ..
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 25 January 2014 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .Stay to death !!!

      Why are you still at the clave, and not at the front?
      Think about your words tomorrow, not today.
      1. alone
        alone 25 January 2014 12: 51
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        Why are you still at the clave, and not at the front?


        Claudia is not scared)) that's why
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 25 January 2014 12: 54
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          Claudia is not scared)) that's why

          Yes sir! )))
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 13: 19
        0
        Quote: ATATA
        Quote: MIKHAN
        .Stay to death !!!

        Why are you still at the clave, and not at the front?
        Think about your words tomorrow, not today.

        I know what fantasy I wrote. and yet .. Russia all around threaten war and are not interested only ..! And we are all diplomatically and tolerantly trying to smooth over .. This is what they are betraying us for! ..! .. I personally would not want a war .. but I don’t want to live in a plundered and humiliated country .. God forgive me for such words But better death! (I can’t stand it if I watch how these geydanutnyh and bolt dancers will dance and trash everything ..) .. My soul hurts terribly .. and my fists clench .. This is my state .. (they banned me on the Bandera site .. bastards I wrote modestly ..) these are the things in the tank troops.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 25 January 2014 13: 24
          +1
          Do not worry, chill.
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 25 January 2014 13: 36
            +2
            I agree..! Hysteria in this situation is useless .. Here every word and step should be thought out .. three steps forward ..
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 25 January 2014 12: 17
    +4
    An appeal to the Pope and the Vatican as a whole.

    Dear Dad! And so all your villagers in the small country of the Vatican!
    Rumor has it that in your country the clergy have recently been learning a very important thing - the ability to drive demons out of weak human organisms.
    So, is it possible, dear Pope, to send to us in the Independence, a couple of dozens of well-trained besogonov? A smaller amount is unlikely to cope.
    It is necessary to use them for urgent expulsion of demons from Messrs. Rvibok, Klitschik, and, especially seriously ill, Yatsenu. The latter, however, promised to shoot a bullet in the forehead. Therefore, it is necessary to especially hurry, for whether the demon will be driven out by a bullet, for certain, is still unknown.

    Taken from LJ Fedor Berezin (http://hrapypris31.livejournal.com/)
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 25 January 2014 12: 23
    +6
    This is KAPETS !!! I would even say wormwood STAR !!! Of course, it is clear to all Russians that the accession of even part of Ukraine to Russia is associated with a decrease in their own well-being. BUT. May We (Russians) live a little worse for some time, but help the fraternal Ukrainian people! Comrade Supreme Commander-Be Decisive, We (Russians) believe you !!!
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 25 January 2014 12: 52
      +7
      Quote: Marconi41
      This is KAPETS !!! I would even say wormwood STAR !!! Of course, it is clear to all Russians that the accession of even part of Ukraine to Russia is associated with a decrease in their own well-being. BUT. May We (Russians) live a little worse for some time, but help the fraternal Ukrainian people! Comrade Supreme Commander-Be Decisive, We (Russians) believe you !!!

      We are not brothers to Ukrainians, we are one people, one family!
  • bubla5
    bubla5 25 January 2014 12: 47
    +2
    Soon, Yanukovych will run away, he doesn’t even have the courage to give an order to protect the population, another 2-3 days and they will break the Berkut’s, so expect a scenario of a change of power
  • PiP
    PiP 25 January 2014 12: 51
    +2
    If this "bacchanalia" in Ukraine is not stopped (harshly) within XNUMX hours, then the events described in the article may well occur. Of course, after the command to "clean up" all the centers of "love of freedom", a slightly different scenario will begin ... The West may try to 'squeeze out' part of Ukraine with the help of military force, but in this case there will be a direct military confrontation with Russia, and no one needs this, in the west this will be done only with yapping and diploma measures. This is on condition that Ukraine wants to remain "independent and united", but if there is an option "take and divide" (c) P.P.Sharikov, then all options will end the same. A couple of new states will appear on the world map for a while ... All this is sad. Well, the worst scenario is the next World War.
    ps
    What I wrote is not analytics, but rather fantasy
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 January 2014 13: 41
      +4
      Quote: PiP
      but in this case there will be a direct military confrontation with Russia,

      I think that Belarus will also intervene, as for me to give the west to the protectorate But father, he’s there quickly and will restore order and the brains of who should be corrected ...
      1. PiP
        PiP 25 January 2014 15: 19
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        I think that Belarus will intervene as well

        This is implied ...
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  • turishev
    turishev 25 January 2014 13: 00
    +3
    Quote: ATATA
    Quote: Marconi41
    This is KAPETS !!! I would even say wormwood STAR !!! Of course, it is clear to all Russians that the accession of even part of Ukraine to Russia is associated with a decrease in their own well-being. BUT. May We (Russians) live a little worse for some time, but help the fraternal Ukrainian people! Comrade Supreme Commander-Be Decisive, We (Russians) believe you !!!

    We are not brothers to Ukrainians, we are one people, one family!

    To share nothing, Crimea and the city of Russian glory Sevastopol and so ours
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  • region46
    region46 25 January 2014 13: 34
    +2
    not everything is as described, but it can happen.
    and to be honest, but Ukraine is going to collapse. maybe for the east it’s better
  • demel2
    demel2 25 January 2014 13: 38
    +1
    I don’t want to make forecasts, and this is not a thankful task. One thing is clear, as Ukraine was no longer, and we need to be fully prepared for the scenario.
  • pifon
    pifon 25 January 2014 13: 45
    +1
    Too optimistic forecast!
    Everything will be much worse ...
  • Boris63
    Boris63 25 January 2014 14: 15
    +1
    On the Berkut VK website, they wrote that the Nazis seized another ministry. There, the Natsiks also "come" to the forum, and so one wrote on my page, foaming at the mouth, proving that they were fighting only for a change of power and no one was listening to the "trinity". If so, who is running them.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 25 January 2014 14: 22
    +9
    I hope that this remains a fantasy.
    Now I am sitting at work. Odessa. Minus 10. We have problems with transport now - the cold for our city is usually always a disaster. It was so good + 6 + 10 .. and then it banged. Everyone works, transport and so on. Only talk about the affairs of the capital among themselves or on TV. But watching it is like some horror movies. The Lviv woman yells that they blocked the passage of BB so that her son did not die inadvertently. Probably from the same Lvovites ... a mess. I have known for a long time that the organization of the brains of the Westerners is not the same. But so that. I wonder why everyone here is busy, as it were, to make money, to organize something, to have a family and so on, while they have "GLORY TO HEROES" under the guise of "For Ukraine" they harm the country itself. In general, there is no logic in their movements, there is only logic in the consequences of the actions of the puppeteers.
    Everyone is determined to think that the "troika" plans are on the way. I, of course, do not have fun looking at the execution of the script (I did not think that this would be). And like any sane Ukrainian, I want the guarantor to fulfill his duty, and not play his thin (and not only his) polit. the game. The people want to see simple and understandable gestures to establish order in the country.
    Today I heard a speech about "winding up with tanks like in China and the whole business" ... People are joking ...
    but in general, we all propose here to fight "pimples" on the body of the country, but you need to fight the virus, not the consequences. It is necessary to somehow block the financing and supply of the enemy. Cut off his "economy" and his suply trucks .. Left without supplies, the enemy will weaken. And they'll strangle him.
    Maybe Anti-Maidan needs to block the EU and US Embassy? And other organizations that finance?
    1. pifon
      pifon 25 January 2014 14: 32
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      Let the people not joke - if you don’t wrap the trap now, very soon they will raise the entire east and south to the forks, is it really not clear!