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The senselessness of war in an absurd world. Patriotism and cosmopolitanism are incompatible

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The senselessness of war in an absurd world. Patriotism and cosmopolitanism are incompatible

The absurdity of being is inevitably manifested, if not interested in its meanings, deliberately ignoring patterns, not hearing other opinions, showing indifference to the most significant interests of society. If you do not take into account the aspirations and values ​​of neighbors (at home, city, country, planet, on the era), sometimes their own, but for some reason rejected. But the main thing is if you do not take into account the strategic goals and key interests of your country. It is probably easier to convince oneself of one’s exclusivity and the aimlessness of the world. But this is the path to loneliness and insanity, because in an absurd world, consciousness loses benchmarks.


Taking this into account, let us ask ourselves how, from the point of view of scientific knowledge, the solution of the country's strategic tasks, the formation of patriotism and the increase of the military security level of Russia can be useful - this is the position advocated by Yuri Kirshin in the article “A war without references to quotes. Armed confrontation on the background of inter-civilization problems ”(“ NVO ”No. 46, 13.12.13)?

REMEMBER ABOUT

Military security as one of the most important conditions for ensuring a stable progressive development of society has a number of features. One of the features of military security is that it cannot be provided selectively, locally, for example, for a separate social group, an elected social institution or a separate region of the country. Military security can be ensured for the social system as a whole, and, therefore, problems and tasks of military security can be solved only with the active effective meaningful support of the whole society.

This leads to the direct task and duty of specialists in the field of military security - not to distract society from the problems of the country, but to focus the attention of compatriots on them. Not to confuse public consciousness with far-fetched values ​​like cosmopolitanism, which is difficult to imagine in the practical military plane, but to recall the rich military experience of the people of Russia and how this experience was used more than once to liberate other nations of the world, as the Russian people sacrificed their best sons and daughters in the name of a just world on the planet. It is important not to frighten people with the hopelessness and complexity of the situation and not to calm them down with loud bravura slogans, but to point directly to the existing ways of strengthening military security and the possible participation of society in this process.

For this, both the understanding of the essence of the war and the development of a clear and clear ideological position on military security issues are important. Probably, these were the tasks that Yuri Yakovlevich Kirshin had to set himself when he was about to speak to the Russian audience. However, the author’s goals are known only to him, but the impression from his article is at least ambiguous.

The desire of the publicist to avoid quotes does not cause questions. But it is worth noting that the quotes may not be superfluous. Quotation in the narrow sense - a reference to recognized authority, in a broad sense - the realization of the experience of other people. And he is especially necessary in the study of social phenomena and processes.

Other than their own opinion is important in many ways. One of the principles of the modern stage of development of science - the principle of complementarity - reflects the need for different opinions about the subject of research; this contributes to the scientific objectivity, which, as it may seem, is missing in the article “War without references to quotations”. However, it is not necessary to find fault with individual words, and sometimes with judgments. The point, of course, is not the quotations, but the results; the general mood of this publication and many of its theses are hardly added to the authority of the Russian military science, helping to shape Russian identity and patriotism.

ABOUT WAR WITHOUT QUOTATION ... AND ARGUMENTS

The author, who has a formally high position in military science and many years of experience in serious scientific institutions, continues, judging by the headline, to persistently reflect on the essence of war; but at the same time he does not forget to emphasize his commitment to cosmopolitanism. The final conclusion of his article (though not too connected with the main text) was the definition of war, which Yuri Kirshin interprets as “historical universal phenomenon, the way of life of mankind, organized armed struggle of peoples, states, religious denominations using traditional and new types weapons, as well as non-military forms of struggle to achieve political, social, demographic, economic, cultural, ethnic and religious goals. "

This definition has, unfortunately, of little practical value and looks inconsistent from a scientific point of view. If war is the struggle of various actors of the world community "to achieve" their goals with the use of weapons and "non-military forms", then it turns out that war is a synonym for the daily life of influential world actors, for which competition is common, searching for various ways to realize their interests. But such a definition, if you do not focus on the use of weapons, can come to the designation of social activity and relations of almost any subjects of public relations. If we insist that the struggle between the subjects is primarily armed (the concept of "armed" in conjunction with "non-military forms" in this context loses certainty), then modern "religious denominations" do not fit into a number of obligatory participants in such relations.

By the way, the role of religion given by the author in civilizational processes, in the formation of civilizations, also seems exaggerated. In western civilization, several denominations, including non-Christian ones, coexist fairly peacefully.

It is worth noting that absolutization and radicalism are characteristic of the text in question. But the biggest disagreement is caused by the author’s attempt to convince himself and his readers that war is a human way of life, inevitability, norm.

Perhaps it’s all a matter of inaccurate interpretation of the meaning of concepts and categories? Is it legitimate to consider any active confrontation using diplomatic, economic, informational, legal and other means arising between states (countries, powers) to be a war, identifying, for example, critical materials in the media with a missile-bombing attack on an opponent’s territory? Is human life is war? In any case, cosmopolitanism does not really fit in with the war as an attributive, main form of the existence of civilization.

Such a definition does not reflect the qualitative certainty of social life, disorientates the public, erodes the categories of military-scientific knowledge, and cannot be used in the training of military personnel. However, while the category “war” is endowed with conflicting content, the text practically does not speak of inter-civilization problems announced by the subtitle. True, the author claims that the history of mankind is “the history of local civilizations”, but this is an exaggeration. The desire to “localize” history is contradicted, for example, by the wars of Persia and Ancient Greece, the campaigns of Alexander the Great to India and Central Asia, trade along the route “from the Varangians to the Greeks”, and the Russian merchants traveling “beyond the three seas”. Local civilizations, like people, certainly have features, but this does not mean that there is nothing in common between them, that they are strictly autonomous. Otherwise, for modern society (global? Or representing an aggregate of local civilizations little connected to each other?) It was completely unimportant, and the heritage of cultural options that had gone into oblivion was not clear.

Nevertheless, the division of the macrosocium into separate civilizations is not conditional; the degree of this convention seems to increase with the globalization of social relations. The civilizational approach as the only concept of understanding social development coarsens the evolutionary historical process.

On the other hand, the civilizational approach plays its important role in understanding social existence when using its ideas along with ideas of other concepts describing social being and its development, including together with the formational approach. But the formational approach and Marxism as a whole by Yuri Kirshin, who in the past has defended its foundations, today has a special view.

“Dry” MARXISM

The author concentrated his main efforts in the article, perhaps, not so much on clarifying the meanings of war, but on criticizing Marxism. The goal of this activity remains unclear: it does not bring practical use to clarify the essence of war, does not add anything new in understanding civilizational processes, and the criticism of Marxism itself is weak because of the weakness of the arguments.

Thus, it is hardly worth arguing that all representatives of the Marxist point of view, without exception, considered various processes and social phenomena exclusively from the contradictions of the class struggle, rejected the multivariate social development, limited to the formational approach. Even at the stage of the formation of the main ideas of Marxism, in the nineteenth century, its founders understood that the formation approach does not explain all the variants of social evolution (it is worth recalling the Asian mode of production).

The Marxist approach to the views on nature and the human world appeared more than a century and a half ago and during this time experienced many social, including scientific, educational, practical transformations, received a number of interpretations of various aspects of it. This teaching was, and to a large extent remains, popular, and therefore it is quite diverse. Variants and interpretations of Marxism are presented by Plekhanov and Bogdanov, Lifshits and Ilyenkov, Gramsci and Lukács, Bloch and Baudrillard. Marxism does not fit in any one simple scheme.

By the way, judging from past works, the author himself sought to look like a staunch Marxist (see YY Kirshin, VM Popov, RA Savushkin. The political content of modern wars / Editor. PA Zhilin. - M .: Science, 1987). In this work, the main views on the war do not go beyond the Marxist approach.

And it is unlikely that Marxism “used the formation approach to know social processes, problems of war and peace, wars and revolutions,” as Yuri Kirshin put it. The doctrine resulting from an interested desire to reveal the laws of society, the study of social relations, does not know anything, it is itself a product of knowledge. Representatives of Marxism, like any researcher or a subject who manifests social activity, can use in their practice various techniques and tools, including those developed in the process of the emergence and development of Marxism.

Marxism in these manifestations is not unique, and it appears in various publications, probably because of its relatively widespread, practical orientation and relatively high (among other similar teachings) effectiveness.

It is difficult to find arguments to confirm the opinion of Yuri Kirshin on the absolutization of Marxism by the war; in the December text in the NVO, they are practically absent. But the absolutization of war (as a way of life, a universal phenomenon, as the author himself confused for his own purposes sees it), is indeed irrelevant either scientifically or politically or ethically.

By the way, representatives of Marxism, in the opinion of the author of the article “A war without reference to quotations” and unlike his own position (if war is a way of life of humanity, then, according to Kirshin, is it eternal?), Still hope for the possibility of extinction wars of public relations in the future. The author uses the colorful verb “to narrow” in the evaluation of the ideas of socialism: “the socialist Fatherland,” writes Yury Yakovlevich, narrowing down the concept of “Fatherland”. It is difficult to assess the correctness of such a thesis, since it is not entirely clear that the author includes in the concept of “Fatherland” a broader than the “socialist Fatherland”, but his view of Marxism does seem to be “narrowed”.

AT THE SIGHT - THE SOVIET UNION?

The beginning of the armed conflict on the island Damansky. 1969 year. Photo from the archive of Hero of the Soviet Union, Major-General of the Reserve Vitaly Bubenin provided by the editors of the newspaper "Bulletin of Heroes of the Soviet Union, Russia and Socialist Labor"

It is not too clear from the text of the article how firmly Yuri Kirshin is sure that his homeland is the USSR, the “evil empire” (such a phrase is used in the text). But in the Soviet past, he finds mainly errors and shortcomings, which, like Marxism, criticizes (as if there is no more rational and correct way to use the history of his country within the framework of the problems under consideration). However, in this part of the criticism is inconsistent. The author exaggerated the class character of Soviet foreign policy, which, as the text implies, prevented “the establishment of allied relations between the Soviet Union and the United States and Great Britain”. And what prevented such an alliance in the middle of the XIX century, in 1904 – 1905, or in the post-Soviet period of history, on the eve of rocket attacks on Belgrade, Baghdad, despite the fact that Napoleon, Wilhelm, Hitler Britain (in the XX century and the USA) eventually performed with a united front with Russia? Simply, as you know, Britain has no permanent enemies and friends, but there are permanent interests. US interests are no less constant, even though this country is much younger. History confirms that class and other features of countries with which the United States and Britain establish or sever relations have minimal significance.

In this sense, Lenin’s foreign policy position (declared immoral by Yuri Kirshin) is no different from understanding the foreign policy of any pragmatic head of state. It is known, for example, that the Russian emperor Alexander III also did not rely too much on strong western partners, rightly believing that Russia has only two allies: its army and navy. This is not a reason to blame him for the lack of morality.

However, Yuri Kirshin insists on the class basis of the wars and military conflicts waged by the Soviet Union. To agree with this statement can only be partially. Indeed, October 1917 of the year led to the emergence of a completely new type of state and, whatever the subjective opinions on this matter, significantly influenced the world and its further development. By virtue of the ideological differences that distinguished Soviet society from other social systems of the twentieth century, relations between the USSR and other states inevitably had a class character.

The main war, which the USSR won, was a class war because Hitler Germany’s plans included the destruction of the Soviet Union. But we must not forget that according to the plans of the Nazis and the population of the country awaited an unenviable fate.

The Great Patriotic War - the fiercest and bloodiest armed confrontation in the entire history of mankind, the main burden of which fell on the shoulders and the fate of the Soviet people - was far from being only class in its content. It was a war against an attempt to establish one subject of international relations with world domination over the rest, that is, from the USSR, for preventing the greatest injustice against humanity. Finally, it was a war of independence. And in this it is similar to the Patriotic War 1812 of the year. It is necessary to take into account the fact that our country did not start wars either in 1812 or in 1941.

The Soviet leadership at the end of the 30-s of the XX century made every effort to create an anti-fascist coalition, that is, sought to prevent war, curb the gaining strength and affirmed in its determination to fight the aggressor. But not supported by Britain and France, it was forced to conclude an agreement with Germany. Class bases in such logic at least do not play a decisive role.

The political and military activity of the USSR itself (including the war with Finland 1939 – 1940) was subordinated exclusively to the interests of the country's security. Neither the class struggle nor the export of the revolution has anything to do with it. The goals were different.

The Soviet Union, like imperial Russia, was indeed preparing for war; This is the normal practice of any large and self-respecting country. Such training was not always equally effective, and not all the wars in which the USSR participated were successful enough for him, but it is impossible to explain them exclusively by class motives.

Finally, the class background (if you remember that a social class is a large group of members of society who have a certain relation to property and power that is similar to each other and different from other classes, their socio-economic status, culture, ideology, etc.) in one way or another manifested in any socio-political relations. Including in social systems whose ideals are far from socialist, as well as in the relations between such systems. Long before the appearance of Marxism, the injustice of the distribution of property and intolerance of dissent, as the causes of social contradictions and wars, was pointed out by the English historian Edward Gibbon.

The saddest thing is that the criticism of the “class basis” of wars by Yuri Kirshin does not contribute to a deeper understanding of the characteristics of modern wars. However, not only it reduces the scientific value of the article. It is strange that an attempt by a scientist to predict what has already happened in reality (and if it did not, it could hardly have happened; everything that should inevitably occur - certainly comes). “If the socialist system continued to exist, wars between countries could occur,” the author believes (at the same level, some readers might well have asked: what could the content of research and the position of some domestic authors be if Russia "continued to exist a socialist system"?)

Of course, there could be wars between countries that aspire to build their policies and society on the ideas of socialism, and there were wars like that (for example, between China and Vietnam in 1979). However, firstly, the main reasons for these wars would hardly be reflected in ideological differences or, on the contrary, in similarities; wars are waged for resources, territories, for international authority and political "weight" of powers. Secondly, unfortunately, humanity still cannot do without wars, but the confrontation between the two superpowers with different ideological platforms in the second half of the last century contributed not only to political tensions, but also to a large extent, kept this tension in the "non-military" framework . The main actors who created the global political divide had to take into account the interests of their rival.

The Soviet period of our history was not easy, not without contradictions. But the Fatherland (at that time socialist), which included the entire vast territory, a considerable population, rich resources, powerful industry, energy, was protected quite reliably.

In a word, unfortunately, in the article “War without citations”, objective analysis and justified criticism of the shortcomings of the Soviet military security system did not come out. But this is exactly what today's serious politicians, the military need. It is a deep understanding of the achievements, problems and contradictions of the past, social systems that are important for new generations of Russian citizens.

ONCE AGAIN ABOUT

The problem of war on the planet is still acute. In addition, at the beginning of the third millennium many political issues, and even more so problems of war and peace, cannot be solved without taking into account the global processes of the macrosocium. Yuri Kirshin draws attention to this, but an attempt to call the war universal, and militarism adds little to world phenomena in deepening the understanding of the essence of war, does not strengthen Russia's security. The author seems to be confusing, confusing the reader, for example, not noticing the differences between terrorism and war. This creates conditions for political speculation, contributes to the distortion of public consciousness, unties the hands of cynical subjects of public (including international) relations.

Yuri Kirshin advocates the priority of the military security of the world community over the military security of any state. But how do we practically ensure the military security of the whole world when the United States and NATO can neglect the views of other members of the world community, UN decisions (Grenada - 1983 year, Panama - 1989 year, Yugoslavia - 1995 and 1999) to achieve their goals? Afghanistan - 2001 year, Iraq - 2003 year), when they seek the world to dictate their conditions in all positions, implement their strategy of a unipolar world?

If a convinced patriot of Russia understands the essence of global, realizes the need to take into account the interests of many participants in international relations, insists on using international experience to solve the most important tasks of his country, this indicates the breadth of his views, the creative nature of his position. And what can we call the herald of cosmopolitanism, which sacrifices the military security of its Fatherland to some kind of global security, for which the subjects of world politics with far from harmless ambitions and tools to realize their interests claim?

Practice shows that in these conditions only a militarily strong subject of international relations can reliably defend peace. The famous dictum of the ancient Romans "If you want peace - prepare for war" is relevant today.

Modern Russia is experiencing considerable difficulties in various spheres of public life. There are problems in the system of ensuring the country's military security, which, as we know, is not limited to armed forces. This does not mean that the voice of Russia in defense of peace and justice in solving international problems today cannot and should not be heard. He sounds. Russia's foreign policy is becoming more consistent and successful. Thanks to Russia, military intervention in the internal affairs of Syria was prevented. However, this is not a reason for complacency.

In an era when the planet with a rapidly growing population is becoming less known natural resources necessary to maintain the viability of society, a strong modern armed forces is not a luxury. For Russia, with its vast territory, water, forests, and minerals, taking care of military security is paramount.

The approach of NATO to the borders of Russia, the intention to place in close proximity to the territory of the country elements of the American missile defense system, attempts to test the Russian Armed Forces for durability in real hostilities are only part of the real and probable threats to the country's military security. They require adequate responses. Among them is the possibility of deploying Iskander missile systems in the Kaliningrad region, adopting the latest air defense systems and strategic nuclear submarines, and much more.

Theorists in the field of military security need to develop and offer practitioners of different content and form, but necessarily the most effective possible tools and measures to create a reliable system of military security of Russia. However, this is a topic for another conversation.

The war does not ask when it will fall upon people, breaking not only their plans for the coming weekend or a year, but their whole life, which can be easily and indifferently taken away. No one can say exactly who and how much time is allowed for a peaceful life, when and what kind of war will befall us, which could be a catastrophe for the social system. It is probably more difficult to prevent a war (to avoid it altogether) than to meet the enemy fully armed, but the latter is more likely to promote the first (as well as global military security) than calls for cosmopolitanism.

Therefore, it is more correct not to criticize ideological positions and methodological systems, which have somehow disliked us, how much to take everything useful from human experience to solve the main tasks. Worthy of attention and study are not those theories that are somehow cute or fashionable, but rather correctly explain the nature, the essence of society, and reveal patterns that are characteristic of real society. This also applies to the problems of such an important phenomenon of society as war.

The experience of a large-scale and dynamic armed confrontation with the strongest militarily enemies that befell our country cannot be disregarded in understanding the essence of war. And to consider this experience only for its criticism is at least an empty waste of time and energy. Of course, even a very informed and experienced person in this field can hardly be the only one to understand all the subtleties and processes that make up the preparation, course and end of the modern war. Therefore, interaction between theorists and practitioners, scientists and politicians, engineers and combat commanders is important. In the name of one - in the name of the security of Russia. War is capable of knocking over the lives of millions of people into absurdity.

Today, many people who think of themselves as politicians and artists, highly paid singers of the absurd are trying to affirm their interests, whims, and even overt cynicism, as public morality in society, trying to close true values ​​from people. It is unacceptable to mix and blur senses reflecting the laws of nature and social systems, to multiply the foundations of the marginalization of Russian society, the devaluation of patriotism on behalf of science.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 26 January 2014 07: 50
    +3
    "The author, who has a formally high position in military science and many years of experience in serious scientific institutions, continues, judging by the title, to persistently reflect on the essence of war; but at the same time he does not forget to emphasize his commitment to cosmopolitanism."

    This does not happen. A clear split personality.
    1. Civil
      Civil 26 January 2014 09: 43
      +6
      in 1914 no one could have imagined the scale of the slaughter as well as the meaning of the war. The meaning of war is war.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 26 January 2014 09: 47
        +10
        Quote: Civil
        The meaning of war is war.

        Not quite right, the point in the war is to stuff the pockets of oligarchs tighter.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 26 January 2014 09: 59
          +11
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Not quite right, the point in the war is to stuff the pockets of oligarchs tighter.

          The meaning of war is the seizure of resources and territory (living space, according to the classics wink ) Trophies are accordingly divided between citizens by the country's leadership. Now in the Russian Federation, respectively, the oligarchs. Only now our country (USSR) did not win the war, but lost. Accordingly, oligarchs can only grow fat by robbing their own people. And the country pays raw material tribute.
          The government itself does not hide this.
          "said the Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev.
          "This is not a weakening of the Russian currency, it is a strengthening of the reserve currencies relative to the aggregate of other currencies," Ulyukayev said and added that the dynamics of the ruble, in fact, does not differ from the dynamics of other currencies of developing countries and countries with a resource-based economy. "
          1. Rider
            Rider 26 January 2014 13: 19
            +3
            Quote: S_mirnov
            said Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev.
            "This is not a weakening of the Russian currency, this is a strengthening of reserve currencies relative to the totality of other currencies."

            Well, what are the tongue-tied ministers in Russia.
            said so you might think that it’s a special ruble to devalue to maintain the bucks.
            and not that reducing the value of the ruble is beneficial to the country's economy.
            although to be honest, the people of usa are used to running away as soon as the ruble falls.
            So it turns out that supporting our manufacturer, we indirectly support the Fed
    2. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 26 January 2014 11: 45
      +7
      It is probably easier to convince yourself of your exclusivity and the aimlessness of the world. But this is the path to loneliness and madness

      On "CONSTRUCTED" MARXISM he stalled, on "class war" he remembered Tukhachevsky ... and until the end of the article he could not get rid of him ... No.
      I understood one thing:
      Today there are many people who think of themselves as politicians. (add from myself - analysts) and artists, highly paid singers of the absurd, are trying to affirm their interests in society as public morality ...

      For the rest - keep quiet ...

      In his article I searched for thoughts
      And was cast down in the full sense
      There are many paragraphs combined
      And thoughts - zero and two tenths ...
      1. Rider
        Rider 26 January 2014 13: 21
        +2
        Quote: Sacmagon
        In his article I searched for thoughts
        And was cast down in the full sense
        There are many paragraphs combined
        And thoughts - zero and two tenths ...

        good
      2. Salamander
        Salamander 26 January 2014 14: 58
        +5
        Quote: Sacmagon


        In his article I searched for thoughts
        And was cast down in the full sense
        There are many paragraphs combined
        And thoughts - zero and two tenths ...

        goodgoodgood

        One name is:
        "The senselessness of war in an absurd world. Patriotism and cosmopolitanism are incompatible." The topic of the TEXT itself is not bad, "+", but the presentation ...
      3. S-200
        S-200 26 January 2014 21: 50
        0
        hi I agree with you ...
        the author spread his thoughts on the tree of paragraphs ... what
  2. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 08: 28
    -3
    For Russia, with its vast territory, reserves of water, forest, and minerals, concern for military security is a paramount task.


    Where is the line between the need to protect the integrity of the country and between the protection of the "lordly lands" of the oligarchs?
    Regularly there are news such as "a local oligarch, son-in-law \ matchmaker \ godfather \ governor \ prosecutor, fenced off the local nature reserve \ forest \ park with a three-meter fence and turned it into a part of his estate, local residents lost access to the lake \ river \ forest". The main enemy of Russia, he is inside it - these are those who shout about patriotism from behind the authorities, and at the same time have the people in the tail and mane, spitting elementary even on state legislation.
    There are countries in the world where resources are an instrument to achieve the safety of citizens.
    There are countries in the world where citizens are an instrument to achieve the security of resources.
    1. Rebus
      Rebus 26 January 2014 08: 56
      +7
      You are an extremist and cosmopolitan, judge what you don’t know ...
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Where is the line between the need to protect the integrity of the country and between the protection of the "lordly lands" of the oligarchs?

      Your ideas about Russia as a country of slaves and masters are very erroneous ... However, one cannot expect anything else from the Israelis, because they are evil ...
      For Russia, with its vast territory, reserves of water, forest, and minerals, concern for military security is a paramount task.

      Protecting Russia, taking care of Its economic, territorial, military security is not a way to make people more powerless, but only protecting the country. If your army protects the oligarchs in Israel, then you should not blame other countries for this.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 26 January 2014 09: 36
        -5
        Quote: Rebus
        However, one cannot expect anything else from the Israelis, for they are evil ...

        I regularly go to Russia ... A simple example, if someone falls on the street with a heart attack, the crowd will immediately run away and everyone will try to help, and in the same Moscow, for example, the poor fellow will die - because those around them will laugh "they say they got drunk" and to shoot on mobile phones, that would fill in YouTube. We have people smiling at each other and not asking to "smoke" in the doorways.

        Quote: Rebus
        If your army protects the oligarchs in Israel, then you should not blame other countries for this.

        You froze stupidity, we have just in the first place the lives of citizens, probably more than in any other country in the world, and everything in the security structure is subordinate to this issue - and stupid to argue with this (one exchange ONE abducted soldier on 1000 bearded - breaks down any arguments against my argument)
        1. Rebus
          Rebus 26 January 2014 10: 19
          +3
          Quote: And Us Rat
          and in the same Moscow, for example, the poor fellow will die - because those around him will laugh "they say they got drunk" and shoot on mobiles to fill in YouTube.

          I have never seen such an attitude towards people, and Moscow is not all of Russia ...


          Quote: And Us Rat
          one exchange of ONE kidnapped soldier per 1000 bearded - shatters any arguments against my argument

          By releasing 1000 criminals, you are not saving one soldier, but endangering tens of thousands of people. And the point here is not about caring for a person, but about getting political points for the next election (and maybe even corruption and caring for the health of Islamist terrorists ...).
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 26 January 2014 11: 45
            -2
            Quote: Rebus
            I have never seen such an attitude towards people, and Moscow is not all of Russia ...


            From the network:


            From the news:
            Actor Anatoly Otradnov killed the frost and indifference of passers-by


            From blogs:
            Male-female site. Tell me! Am I right or not?
            Today we walked with a child on one of the central streets, the child walked alongside - I disaccustomed to walking by the hand, holding the scarf. and then a drunken scumbag flew in from behind, "grabbed" the child and dragged him forward, I screamed and ran after him, the child got scared and screamed, I tried to snatch the child, the scumbag was laughing, and I scream, the child was crying, the people around were crowding to the side and looking !!! I "beat off" the child, I say to this idiot, now I’ll call the police, I’m holding the child, he is crying, shaking, I dial the phone with one hand, this one is right now for you in *** boo (forgive me, you cannot throw out the words from the song), and leaves! I'm in shock, and if he wasn't drunk, he was "joking" ??? That is, they can just steal the child and everyone will watch ??? And men are witnesses, is society really so indifferent ???

            You can go on forever.
            1. Sakmagon
              Sakmagon 26 January 2014 11: 52
              +5
              others on the side crowded and look !!! Are men really witnesses ...

              These are not men.
              These are witnesses, most likely liberal human rights defenders ...
            2. Rebus
              Rebus 26 January 2014 12: 09
              +11
              Quote: And Us Rat
              You can go on forever.

              I repeat once again, Moscow, this is not all of Russia. And I’ll add, there is not much truth in blogs, blogs are mainly blogger’s self-promotion.
              Answer one question, why, you Israelis, write and say all sorts of nasty things about Russia? It seems to me that you are there, brainwashed by propaganda. And in general, the suspicious concern on your part about Russia seems strange to me ...
              And personally, in order to know life in Russia, you need to live here for at least a year, and judging by the airport (where by the way your compatriots leave in large numbers and come) about the whole country is at least simply stupid.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 12: 52
                -1
                Quote: Rebus
                Answer one question, why, you Israelis, write and say all sorts of nasty things about Russia? It seems to me that you are there, brainwashed by propaganda. And in general, the suspicious concern on your part about Russia seems strange to me ...

                Not mucks, but truth, slander, I don’t do - for me it’s important, I just want to knock down some pink glasses and make it clear that it's time to wake up and move.
                And the brains are washed, like you - they say, like everything we have is almost perfect, "Brezhnevism" smacks of.
                And concern ... "It's a shame for the state," believe it or not. The country has a huge potential to become a world leader and an example of goodness and justice - but ALL YOU stubbornly pull it in the other direction.
                1. Rebus
                  Rebus 26 January 2014 13: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  Not mucks, but truth, slander, I don’t do - for me it’s important, I just want to knock down some pink glasses and make it clear that it's time to wake up and move.

                  Paphos in the service of Israeli propaganda, and nothing more ...


                  And people in Russia are better than in any other country ...
                  Here is information for consideration (if you have not forgotten how to think)
                  http://roshero.ru/heroes/
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 26 January 2014 13: 17
                    -4
                    Quote: Rebus
                    And people in Russia are better than in any other country ...

                    In Orthodoxy, pride is one of the eight sinful passions [2] [3].
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                    1. Rebus
                      Rebus 26 January 2014 13: 35
                      +2
                      A simple statement of fact.
                      What does pride have to do with it?
                  3. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 13: 35
                    -4
                    Quote: Rebus

                    Paphos in the service of Israeli propaganda, and nothing more ...

                    Paranoia is a contagious thing, I'm actually a construction contractor lol
                    But ...

                    1. Rebus
                      Rebus 26 January 2014 13: 41
                      +4
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      I'm actually a building contractor

                      Do you have such overalls now?
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 26 January 2014 14: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Rebus
                        Do you have such overalls now?

                        No, rather like this:


                        (including musculature and girl)tongue
                      2. Rebus
                        Rebus 26 January 2014 14: 22
                        +3
                        You are lucky... fellow
                        But judging by the teeth you are a shark of imperialism laughing
                        PS Blondes are prettier, although the taste and color ....
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 26 January 2014 14: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Rebus
                        But judging by the teeth you are a shark of imperialism PS Blondes are prettier, although the taste and color

                        I hope this is not a photograph laughing laughing laughing
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 26 January 2014 14: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Rebus
                        But judging by the teeth you are a shark of imperialism PS Blondes are prettier, although the taste and color

                        I hope this is not a photograph laughing laughing laughing
                      5. smile
                        smile 26 January 2014 15: 22
                        +1
                        Rebus
                        Well, our colleague’s teeth, what’s needed :))) this is also visible from the comments. :))) And I also like the little black ones ... :)))
                    2. Sakmagon
                      Sakmagon 26 January 2014 14: 48
                      +3
                      Do you have such overalls now?
                      No, rather like this: (including muscle and a girl) tongue

                      Traces, hopefully not from a bra?
                      Yes, and the girl?! ... something so her, sick, distorted ..... recourse
                      I recalled a joke about Rzhevsky:
                      "... thin handles, crooked legs ... you will not believe, gentlemen, fuck .. - and cry!"
                      crying
                    3. SRC P-15
                      SRC P-15 26 January 2014 15: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      (including musculature and girl

                      Are you on steroids? Then the girl is useless! tongue
                  4. bask
                    bask 26 January 2014 19: 03
                    +2
                    Quote: Rebus
                    Do you have such overalls now?

                    Rebus
                    The main thing is not to confuse. fellow с love . Here so, SOME)))))))). lol
                2. bask
                  bask 26 January 2014 18: 26
                  +3
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  Paranoia is a contagious thing, I'm actually a construction contractor


                  There was one politician-PATRIOT of his country and the entire Arab world.
                  He wanted to become -COSMOPOLIT.
                  And what happened to such a politician, the leader of the Jamahiriya?

                  They killed in the most brutal way. And his country was ruined, making a breeding ground for terrorists.
                  But what about "cosmopolitan friends"?
                  When they showed the footage of his death, they smiled merrily.

                  Does Western geysivilizatsii understand + cosmopolitanism.

                  Lesson (I’ll write softer, otherwise it’s banned))) - BE ONLY PATRIOT OF YOUR COUNTRY.


                  PS: cosmopolitan, posted on a demotivator. And US.
            3. Zveruga
              Zveruga 27 January 2014 00: 08
              0
              Do you believe everything you hear? Do you think the truth is around you? The most interesting thing is that you will never believe the words of the Russian politician, but with pleasure will believe the words of the oppositionist, why are there such double standards? Why so much hypocrisy?
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 27 January 2014 00: 27
                0
                Quote: Zveruga
                Do you believe everything you hear?

                In general, I try not to listen to anyone, but to draw conclusions solely on the basis of personal experience, and if I can’t get experience, the topic is far from me - and I’m not worried about her. request
            4. Zveruga
              Zveruga 27 January 2014 00: 08
              0
              Do you believe everything you hear? Do you think the truth is around you? The most interesting thing is that you will never believe the words of the Russian politician, but with pleasure will believe the words of the oppositionist, why are there such double standards? Why so much hypocrisy?
          2. Salamander
            Salamander 26 January 2014 18: 05
            +2
            Quote: Rebus

            Answer one question, why, you Israelis, write and say all sorts of nasty things about Russia? It seems to me that you are there, brainwashed by propaganda. And in general, the suspicious concern on your part about Russia seems strange to me ...


            And this is typical for many countries - to praise the situation in their homeland and scold everyone else. There are also liberals - they scold their homeland and glorify abroad. Some Russians scold everyone - both at home and abroad (just in case) laughing

            "Only a Russian can drunk for 2 hours to convince a foreigner that we are a country of idiots ... and give him a face when he agrees."
            M. Zadornov
        2. Rider
          Rider 26 January 2014 13: 26
          +5
          Quote: And Us Rat
          You can go on forever.


          but what you wrote there is like looking for like you decided to promote negativity
          1. smile
            smile 26 January 2014 15: 42
            +5
            Rider
            Great comment, gorgeous movie.
            About fifteen years ago, when I was riding up a road along the Baltiysk-Kaliningrad highway, I got into an accident. The car flew off the road, stuck in a tree and caught fire. The flame shot right from under the dashboard. I understood everything, but I was inhibited and couldn’t leave the car ... a crowd of people came running and saved us and a carrier ... imagine, the car is on fire, and they are wrapped around the car, they’re hardly tearing tins with their hands and knocking out the windows ... hands the men’s blood is burnt ..... a crowd of people ran away from the road, even girls with a fire extinguisher, and this is not a city - around the forest ... then they took me to Svetly to the hospital ... and I don’t even know who to thank ... Here we have such unresponsive people ...
        3. Zveruga
          Zveruga 27 January 2014 00: 06
          0
          Child 6 years old weaned to go by the handle? I can’t grab my hand for 2,5 years. Why so much addiction?
        4. Zveruga
          Zveruga 27 January 2014 00: 06
          0
          Child 6 years old weaned to go by the handle? I can’t grab my hand for 2,5 years. Why so much addiction?
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 26 January 2014 11: 56
        0
        Quote: Rebus
        By releasing 1000 criminals, you are not saving one soldier, but endangering tens of thousands of people.

        The release of a soldier is a fact, now all the military are firmly aware that they will not be abandoned! Can you brag about it?
        We endanger - this is in theory, those of 1000 who decide to return to the bloody path will die, they will not be caught for the second time - and they know this, for some reason, for some, for those who are not, they are already dead.
        1. Rebus
          Rebus 26 January 2014 12: 33
          +5
          Quote: And Us Rat
          We endanger - this is in theory, those of 1000 who decide to return to the bloody path will die, they will not be caught for the second time - and they know this, for some reason, for some, for those who are not, they are already dead.

          These are all slogans and Wishlist ... In real life, a freed terrorist (who did not suffer deserved punishment) will remain a terrorist and kill many more people (or have your attacks stopped?)
          State that goes on negotiations with terrorists, even for the sake of saving one soldier, has already lost to these terrorists.
          But in general, any person who has become a soldier (whether by draft or voluntarily) and taking an oath should take more care of the country than himself, the army is not the safest place and much can happen to a man in uniform. And if the soldier was kidnapped by the enemy, then his commander should answer (until the execution).
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 26 January 2014 12: 54
            -6
            Quote: Rebus
            And if the soldier was kidnapped by the enemy, then his commander should answer (up to the execution).

            Then many generals were shot after Chechnya negative
            1. Rebus
              Rebus 26 January 2014 13: 15
              +2
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Then many generals were shot after Chechnya

              Do the direct commanders of your soldier be generals?
              And for military crimes, many officers were convicted after the first and second Chechen ones.
          2. atalef
            atalef 26 January 2014 13: 28
            -3
            Quote: Rebus
            The state that is negotiating with the terrorists, even for the sake of saving one soldier, has already lost to these terrorists.

            No, it won when a soldier or citizen knows that the state will do everything to free it - I don’t know how to describe this feeling, maybe this is the concrete wall that closes your back.
            The soldier who is captured is aware. they will not leave him, never. They will do everything to return it. And it is right.
            1. Rebus
              Rebus 26 January 2014 13: 52
              0
              Quote: atalef
              the state will do everything to free it - I don’t know how to describe this feeling, maybe this is the concrete wall - which closes your back.

              Well, let’s take a look, a concrete wall or fast feet will save you ... And in general, getting rid of pathos is indecent, your speech resembles the agitation of Jewish citizenship (I won’t believe that a normal person would be happy to bear such nonsense).
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              2. atalef
                atalef 26 January 2014 14: 05
                +2
                Quote: Rebus
                Well, let’s look, a concrete wall or fast legs will save you

                Never say never . Wait and see . I’m living a kilometer from the sea, maybe due to global warming I’ll be flooded someday (as an example)
                Quote: Rebus
                And in general, get rid of pathos is indecent,

                Well, where am I to you?
                Quote: Rebus

                And people in Russia are better than in any other country ...]

                Quote: Rebus
                Your speech resembles the propaganda of Jewish citizenship

                Jewish citizenship does not exist. IS CITIZENSHIP ISRAEL.
                Not the easiest place to live. I dare to notice
                Quote: Rebus
                I won’t believe that a normal builder would happily carry such nonsense).

                Well then, believe me, a normal electrician laughing
                1. Rebus
                  Rebus 26 January 2014 14: 13
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  Jewish citizenship does not exist. IS CITIZENSHIP ISRAEL.
                  Not the easiest place to live. I dare to notice

                  I don’t pretend, it’s good for me here too (I cook my own house, almost a hectare of land and beer myself, but what kind of grapes grow ...)
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well then, believe me, a normal electrician

                  Sorry colleague, confused you with the previous speaker hi
                  (but already fixed)
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                  2. atalef
                    atalef 26 January 2014 14: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Rebus
                    I don’t pretend, it’s good for me here too (I cook my own house, almost a hectare of land and beer myself, but what kind of grapes grow ...)

                    So nobody seems to be campaigning like you. If you want to come to visit - you are welcome. There is something to see.
                    And life in Israel is far from sugar, hectares of land are definitely not here (the majority of the population)
                  3. Rebus
                    Rebus 26 January 2014 14: 26
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    If you want to come to visit - you are welcome. There is something to see

                    I would love to, but the farm on whom to leave?
                  4. atalef
                    atalef 26 January 2014 14: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: Rebus
                    I would love to, but the farm on whom to leave?

                    But what about the North Caucasian Military District?
                    In general, the economy is kept to live or live to keep the economy.
                    Dilemma request
                  5. Rebus
                    Rebus 26 January 2014 14: 43
                    +3
                    Not a dilemma - without me, the chickens will die, the grapes will dry, the rabbits will run away ...
                    (it’s nice to consider yourself the center of the universe in a single point in the universe)
                    Better to go fishing and closer, and more useful ...
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                  7. atalef
                    atalef 26 January 2014 14: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: Rebus
                    rabbits will run away

                    I have a rabbit on my balcony - their name is Pusha. I bought my daughter 2 years ago. Now this monster runs on balconies and nibbles flowers to his wife. I already told him. I’ll fry and eat fuck.
                    Not afraid - bastard. But you can’t throw it away - the daughter will not give it.
                    Quote: Rebus
                    without me, the chickens will die

                    Quote: Rebus
                    nice to consider yourself the center of the universe

                    The main thing is that the chickens would know and believe the same fellow
                    Good luck and good milk yields ...., or what’s there with chicken can be taken laughing
                  8. Rebus
                    Rebus 26 January 2014 15: 02
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    Good luck and good milk yields ...., or what’s there with chicken can be taken

                    laughing laughing Among other things, chickens process barley into highly concentrated fertilizer laughing
                  9. smile
                    smile 26 January 2014 15: 49
                    +3
                    atalef
                    The rabbit - a terrible beast - knew one such thing. a dwarf ... rarely saw such aggressive chain dogs - he threw himself at everything with the intention of pulling or kicking with his stumps ... the master cat transferred his manat to the mezzanine because of it and lived there. :))) And how terribly he banged his teeth as he approached him - he was intimidating! :)))
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                  11. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 20: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: smile
                    atalef
                    The rabbit - a terrible beast - knew one such thing. a dwarf ... rarely saw such aggressive chain dogs - he threw himself at everything with the intention of pulling or kicking with his stumps ... the master cat transferred his manat to the mezzanine because of it and lived there. :))) And how terribly he banged his teeth as he approached him - he was intimidating! :)))

                    Something tells me that it was your rabbit ... laughing
                  12. smile
                    smile 27 January 2014 00: 43
                    +2
                    And Us Rat
                    No, that one was a princess's dream - tiny, smoky ... krassssivyyyy ... my classmate worked at customs in Sovetsk. Something she has there accelerated the process of customs clearance of goods of one of the firms. After that, an emissary of the company came to her with a proposal to take money. He was sent with indignation and bad words. And then a faceless "messenger" appeared with this rabbit and a woman's heart broke, Olya joined the host of our corrupt officials :))) .... Olya took it! He calls me, as to the generally recognized animal specialist of our gang - save, the brute does not eat anything, and does not give us all a living ... :))) So I met. But the beast was indeed extremely aggressive. For which he received the name - Godzilka. :)))
                  13. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 27 January 2014 00: 54
                    +2
                    Volodya we had a decorative rabbit girl, one to one as in the photo, kind affectionate, didn’t gnaw, went to the tray, the cage did not close, like a family member.
                  14. smile
                    smile 27 January 2014 01: 13
                    +2
                    Alex 241
                    So Godzilka was special, by the way, he was a delightful smoky color, and he had very high hairiness compared to the specimen you presented - like that of a Siberian cat. And the characters of all animals, without exception, be it dogs, cats, horses with which I can find a common language - everyone has different ... including, it turns out, and rabbits. :)))
                    Everything is like people have. :)))
                  15. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 27 January 2014 01: 15
                    +3
                    Ah Volodya, according to the patient, she died exactly a month ago, her daughter was hysterical, his wife was in tears, and I honestly gritted my teeth.
                  16. smile
                    smile 27 January 2014 01: 33
                    +3
                    Alex 241
                    Yes, according to the patient ... they become members of the family .... but how to calm the children? I understand you. Corresponding with a colleague on the site, she recently died of dogs. For several months the animal fought for life, all wore out .... did not sleep for days ... and I was worried. We corresponded - discussed what else can be done. Fedka died, and the feeling was like a family member. Okay. Enough. We understand everything.
                  17. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 27 January 2014 01: 39
                    +2
                    Volodya, if there are questions about the little animal, write how I can help, I pumped out my own one time, the second time I didn’t, the Internet also has a lot of information on the content, and the food is only special, no cookies and other things, this is their weak point if they have If the stomach fails, then all organs fail. The first remedy is freshly squeezed pineapple juice.
                  18. smile
                    smile 27 January 2014 01: 54
                    +2
                    Alex 241
                    Thank you, Sasha. I will appeal. I’ll make an exact appeal - often different questions arise — all of my friends have different toothy, clawed and simply fluffy ones. And my Kurt is also not a kid, eleven years old cat.
                  19. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 27 January 2014 01: 56
                    +1
                    Yes it was for what. I will throw you off in PM.
              3. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 27 January 2014 01: 50
                +2
                Quote: smile
                Corresponding with a colleague on the site, she recently died of dogs.

                Uh-huh.
                The same fucking ........................
                Therefore, I did not participate in your conversation ...
              4. Alex 241
                Alex 241 27 January 2014 01: 52
                +2
                Lesha condolences, sincerely!
              5. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 27 January 2014 02: 27
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241
                Lesha condolences, sincerely!

                Russian Spaniel. Black as coal.
                Armored, hunting, trained ... swam quietly without a splash like a twig on the waves, only the triangle of the nose with ears on the surface was ... A yawning duck grabbed his teeth by the paws. Nobody taught him this, he was just capable.
                We somehow spent the night in the woods without a tent in the winter, only the officer cloak was with us. I fired up a node, laid it on a pine lapnik between myself and the node, covering it with a cloak ... so he, the marsh radish, crawled over me quietly and began to warm my back ... in the plague, he almost froze.
                We swore among ourselves more than once ... there was a thing, yes. A real man, albeit in dog hair ...
                I was calm about my daughter when she played in the sandbox as a child. He endured any mischief of children, but always stood between children and strangers. Nobody taught him the same thing.
                Russian Spaniel - he ... RUSSIAN. He has such a soul. Here.
                Tikhon was called when they swore at him, and so .. SILENT.

                Photos I will not upload ....................... ahem.
              6. Alex 241
                Alex 241 27 January 2014 02: 35
                +3
                Lesha we have such a shelter lives in the second entrance, a rootless dog, a nobleman, nickname Molchun, went to the house, we built a booth for him, fed him with the whole house, like in the summer the children were swarming at the playground, and then the German shepherd rushed to the child, Molchun the lightning bolted and caught the shepherd, he didn’t let him go to the child, the child’s parents took him to him, and if there is barking in the yard, it means that Taciturn sniffed a stranger, he doesn’t even let other people's cars into the parking lot. That's such a dog’s heart!
              7. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 27 January 2014 02: 51
                +3
                Quote: Alex 241
                if barking is heard in the yard, then Silent someone sniffed a stranger, he doesn’t even let other people's cars into the parking lot. That's such a dog’s heart!

                Well done Silent. Take care of him.
                There are.

                I have often met when a guard feeds one or two dogs and warms. This was not surprising since cadet times and in subsequent service did not interfere with this.
                The "Nobleman" who accidentally comes to the guard is the best guard. The sentries specially lured him to their post - well, they would not let anyone from the strangers, and if a breeder came, he would also beacon with a wagging tail.
                But you will be replaced from the guard, take off the AK, bronik and the cartridge pouch - hell he will put you on guard ...
                If he himself had not seen, he would not have believed it.
                what
              8. Alex 241
                Alex 241 27 January 2014 02: 59
                +3
                In our school, such a dog was nicknamed Zaraz, so he was called by the school duty officer wearing the proud nickname Z.A.M.U.D.O.Ets (for outstanding personal qualities) when the dog did not let him in to us to the barracks.But we, nicknamed Zaraz, always invested the most positive emotions laughing
              9. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 27 January 2014 03: 05
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241
                But we, nicknamed Zaraz, always invested the most positive emotions

                laughing

                Turning off, Sanya.
                We have 5 am already.
                Good luck brother!
                drinks
              10. Alex 241
                Alex 241 27 January 2014 03: 07
                +2
                Good night, take care! See you brother! soldier
  3. atalef
    atalef 26 January 2014 22: 21
    +2
    Quote: smile
    atalef
    The rabbit - a terrible beast - knew one such thing. a dwarf ... rarely saw such aggressive chain dogs - he threw himself at everything with the intention of pulling or kicking with his stumps ... the master cat transferred his manat to the mezzanine because of it and lived there. :))) And how terribly he banged his teeth as he approached him - he was intimidating! :)))

    I feel that this one lives with me. anyway teeth chattering like castanets wassat
  4. smile
    smile 27 January 2014 00: 59
    +3
    atalef
    Damn ... but I thought Godzilka was the only one :))) I must admit, I didn’t immediately understand what he was knocking on there, he turned his ass to me .... :))) I went up to him, I sat down Squatting - I hold my hand out gently - after that, usually all the most aggressive dogs sniff my hand and then we are friends ... and this ... it turned around with a jerk, barked at me like a tiger, jumped, and dodged, with a Chinese cry, tried to me to call back with his hind legs in the face ... I confess I was ... hardened ... I never thought that it could be so aggressive ... then it galloped around the room for some time, periodically bouncing and striking with limbs at an imaginary enemy ... until it hit the head of a chair and cut down for a while:))) ...... I shake your hand, you live with an aggressive life in the same apartment ... now I understand that you cannot be broken. :)))
  5. Alex 241
    Alex 241 27 January 2014 01: 08
    +2
    Volodya just apparently the smell of other animals remained on the hand, there are special snacks for rabbits, here they will dance on their hind legs.
  6. smile
    smile 27 January 2014 01: 21
    +2
    Alex 241
    That's right, I thought about it beforehand. Therefore, I went to the store in advance. But well, he would only rush at me - he rushed at all those who came close, or at objects that were closely pushed. I ditched a couple of hours to make friends with him - and then, superficially, he began to eat ... for a long time he ate only if I poured out food and went away ... he continued to rush to the mistress ... but the cat generally left from home for two weeks. :))) Nevertheless, I think it was a character.
  7. atalef
    atalef 27 January 2014 09: 11
    +1
    Quote: smile
    I go up to him, squat down - I gently hold out my hand

    Here I am - holding out his hand, and he’s getting stuck. A tyrannosaurus in a rabbit guise - almost chopped off a piece of a finger - a monster. Blood in all directions - would kill the reptile.
    wassat
    Quote: Alex 241
    Volodya just apparently the smell of other animals remained on the hand, there are special snacks for rabbits,

    Look at this monster - so for him the main tasty --- HUMAN MEAT !!!!
    Quote: Alex 241
    here for them they will dance on their hind legs

    And I about that.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 26 January 2014 17: 21
    0
    After liberation, most were destroyed by guided missiles.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 27 January 2014 07: 23
    +2
    I turned out on the street - you have to pay a loan for a car, there is nothing to repay the loans. And there is no work. He pushed around, hid from the landlady, and drove out a month later. He found work as a cleaner on the beach in Bat Yam, where he also lived in the pantry. And the winter came - they asked me from there, went to the park. So I have been living for the seventh year.
    - There are hundreds of such stories in Israel. wassat Well, just heaven!
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 27 January 2014 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      I turned out on the street - you have to pay a loan for a car, there is nothing to repay the loans. And there is no work. He pushed around, hid from the landlady, and drove out a month later. He found work as a cleaner on the beach in Bat Yam, where he also lived in the pantry. And the winter came - they asked me from there, went to the park. So I have been living for the seventh year.

      Well, the flag is in his hands, in Israel there is a program for the rehabilitation of homeless people.
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  • askort154
    askort154 26 January 2014 10: 49
    +8
    Quote: Rebus .... If you have an army protecting oligarchs in Israel, then do not blame
    in similar other countries.

    And Us Rat ... you blasted out stupidity, ...

    Why stupidity ?! Israel took an example from England - not to extradite criminals.
    The goal is to lure the "fugitives" along with their capital stolen from other countries. For example: the Black brothers, Nevzlin (these are the ones who are heard). Even Polonsky beats himself in the chest that he is a pure Jew, wanting to acquire Israeli citizenship. This is not stupidity, this is reality.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 11: 52
      -2
      Quote: askort154
      Israel took an example from England - not to extradite criminals.

      Even as it produces:
      Israeli authorities have agreed to fulfill the request of Bosnia and Herzegovina and give her the Bosnian Serb Alexander Tsvetkovich, suspected of involvement in the massacre in Srebrenica.

      A sexual criminal was extradited to Israel from the Magadan Region, whose victim was a young child.

      Israeli authorities on Friday extradited the Russian side of Gennady Yagudaev, who was on the federal wanted list for a number of crimes. According to the representative of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation in Israel, Alexander Shubov, Yagudaev was sentenced in Moscow to 1984 years of imprisonment in the 13 year.


      But in the POLITICAL FARS there really isn’t anyone who wants to participate - look for other clowns for yourself, and with us the LAW is not an empty phrase.
      1. askort154
        askort154 26 January 2014 12: 26
        +5
        And Us Rat ... But in POLITICAL FARSE, there are really no people willing to participate - look for other clowns, but our LAW is not an empty phrase.

        And Us Rat .... The Israeli authorities agreed to comply with the request of Bosnia and Herzegovina and extradite to her the Bosnian Serb Alexander Cvetkovic, suspected of involvement in the massacre in Srebrenica.

        You caught yourself. What can a political ragamuffin fighter who has not a penny to give to Israel ?! That is, we are not fools, we can distinguish a beggar criminal from a bearer of the "dough." If he arrived with the "dough", then he, naturally, is not a simple hooligan, but a political outcast, whom Israel, like the senior mentor of the Anglo-Saxons, never I gave an example, specifically about Nevzlin and the Cherny brothers. You are in response about a Serbian fighter. Where is your logic?
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    3. atalef
      atalef 26 January 2014 14: 07
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Quote: Rebus .... If you have an army protecting the oligarchs in Israel, then do not blame other countries for this

      In our army everyone and children of the oligarchs are serving. name any last name.
      Therefore, of course, they protect the oligarchs the same. Their kids . least
  • smile
    smile 26 January 2014 15: 14
    +4
    And Us Rat
    Greetings!
    I really didn’t expect to have to talk about this with you. But nothing happens. :)))

    I never passed a person lying on the ground, did not ignore the cries for help and did not "notice" the hooligan protesters, for which I was criticized by my mother and the eternal sighs of wives ... who, nevertheless, were proud of this quality of mine, and Mom herself raised me in this spirit :))) Believe me, I'm not showing off, I just have such a character. Do you really think that I am the only one with us? :)))

    If you believe it, then all Jews are better than Russians ... well, if you think so, then .... but, it was not worth talking about it. :))) And if you speak already, then take calmly to the fact that one of ours has a negative attitude towards Jews - they have no less rights than you.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 15: 28
      -5
      Quote: smile
      I never passed a person lying on the ground, did not ignore the cries for help and did not "notice" the hooligan protesters, for which I was criticized by my mother and the eternal sighs of wives ... who, nevertheless, were proud of this quality of mine, and Mom herself raised me in this spirit :))) Believe me, I'm not showing off, I just have such a character. Do you really think that I am the only one with us? :)))

      I don’t think, but the tendency is unfortunately in the other direction, not a single visit to Russia is complete without "cleaning up a grunt" at least once to some humanoid, the last time - a stoned mu ... he tried to push the girl off the seat on the bus so that her legs put, well, we do not have this, even close - for the life of me. request

      Quote: smile
      If you believe it, then all Jews are better than Russians ... well, if you think so, then .... but, it was not worth talking about it. :)))

      I'm not talking about nationality, but about the level of culture and upbringing in the country, I personally don’t believe in “nationality” at all, it is not the “color of blood” that makes a person, but upbringing and brains. hi
      1. smile
        smile 26 January 2014 16: 28
        +1
        And Us Rat
        I have no doubt in your words about your personal experience. Sad
        And the rest ... can I not say anything? I do not want.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 January 2014 17: 05
          +1
          Quote: smile
          And Us Rat
          I have no doubt in your words about your personal experience. Sad
          And the rest ... can I not say anything? I do not want.

          Yes, I don’t insist, the silver carps who say that "Everything is calm in Baghdad" just got me, so I have to exaggerate a little, maybe it will catch on. request
          They are still surprised, but what’s the matter to me - yes simple, when everything will be fine with them - there’s nothing to blame us for laughing
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 26 January 2014 17: 50
            -4
            Two trepachki smile и And Us Rat They boast of fictitious exploits and try to intimidate us with steepness. I suppose they don’t go to school without a mother, but there too.
            If they weren’t, Russia would have disappeared.
            1. smile
              smile 26 January 2014 20: 12
              +4
              Corsair5912
              Of course, without a mother, nowhere, you guessed it? :)))
              And I do not frighten you, you for me, excuse me, do not matter. Generally. Therefore, take my word for it, on that empty place that is in your place, I did not attempt. :))) I turned specifically to my colleague on the site under the nickname "Us Rat". Or are you unable to understand this? :)))
              If you have a complaint or disclosure to me - write, but just to lick ... why?
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 20: 20
                0
                Quote: smile
                Corsair5912
                Of course, without a mother, nowhere, you guessed it? :)))
                And I do not frighten you, you for me, excuse me, do not matter. Generally. Therefore, take my word for it, on that empty place that is in your place, I did not attempt. :))) I turned specifically to my colleague on the site under the nickname "Us Rat". Or are you unable to understand this? :)))
                If you have a complaint or disclosure to me - write, but just to lick ... why?

                Lonely to him, no one to troll, looking for attention wassat
                1. smile
                  smile 26 January 2014 20: 46
                  +1
                  And Us Rat
                  Are you looking for attention, you say? Oh, yoooo ... it’s time to run away from him, but there are such, you know, guys, they paint their lips, put on pantyhose ... I'm afraid of them ... well, go away from sin away from it .... :) )))
                2. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 26 January 2014 20: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  And Us Rat
                  Are you looking for attention, you say? Oh, yoooo ... it’s time to run away from him, but there are such, you know, guys, they paint their lips, put on pantyhose ... I'm afraid of them ... well, go away from sin away from it .... :) )))

                  Well, yes, it happens ... laughing
                  Tolerant Lone Troll laughing
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 January 2014 15: 56
    +8
    Quote: smile
    I never walked past a person lying on the ground, did not ignore cries for help and did not "not notice" the hooligan protesters,

    good
    Ancologically, Vladimir.
    There are things which do not be shy.
    - Not so long ago, half an hour did not leave the girl who fell from a high swing. He called his mother through his girlfriends, but he didn't even let her "bang" her (he was afraid of the spine and the head). He left only after the ambulance arrived.
    - Last Sunday I brought home a lost grandfather sitting at the store. Grandfather really got lost, the grandmother then said that he had memory lapses.
    And this is not my "notion", you can't joke about this ...
    -Well, how many "luli" I got when I climbed where ahem ... other passers-by do not climb ... laughing
    I do not regret it at all. And I’m not showing off. My friends do the same.
    Which I wish to everyone. Are we men, B.I., or what?
    Hello from the Urals.
    drinks
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 January 2014 16: 02
      +2
      This is where everything is correctly said! soldier
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 26 January 2014 16: 05
        +2
        Quote: Alex 241
        This is where everything is correctly said!

        Ahead, Sanya! The video series was picking up for this song ...
        laughing
        good
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 January 2014 16: 11
          +4
          On "Star" is "Shield and Sword" the final song, the last verse is more relevant than ever!
    2. Rebus
      Rebus 26 January 2014 16: 09
      +4
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Are we men, B.I., or what?
      Hello from the Urals.

      Hello from Don drinks
    3. smile
      smile 26 January 2014 16: 26
      +3
      Aleks tv
      Well, and you, Alexei, greetings from Kaliningrad, as an oncologist, an ancologist, an ancologist. :)))
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 26 January 2014 16: 33
        +2
        Quote: smile
        as an oncologist an ancologist to an ancologist. :)))

        laughing
        1. smile
          smile 26 January 2014 17: 11
          +4
          Aleks tv
          You cruel, :))) well, I got a little bit wrong - immediately laugh ... :)))
          Maybe I'm like an Indian, I don't remember in which book - I report to a white man about the discovery of a ship of other white people, bad - see, three boats! Have you seen three boats? No. see three boat! And shows one finger. :))) They did not have the word ship in their language and they called it "three boat". :))) Here I am - not just an oncologist, but an oncologist-oncologist. Well, I have megalomania, why laugh something. :)))
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 26 January 2014 17: 17
            +2
            Volodya, I, too, was neighing a little, though quietly. But the course of your thoughts is clear to me laughing
          2. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 26 January 2014 17: 28
            +2
            Quote: smile
            You cruel, :))) well, I got a little bit wrong - immediately laugh ... :)))

            Vladimir, I’m kindly ...
            repeat
            1. smile
              smile 26 January 2014 17: 43
              +4
              Aleks tv
              Alex 241

              You wicked, I'll leave you! :))) (stole from memory from Ouspensky's book - it seems "Whom to send for death" - the inscription left by Death for people on the wall of the Egyptian pyramid :))))

              And in general - I neighing myself - it turned out ridiculously, why are you apologizing and making excuses? :))) I kind of sense of humor still did not replace footcloths. :))) Or from the side it is more visible. and I’ve already passed it ...? :)))
              Sasha - and the train of my thoughts was - to get out and take a break ... :)))
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 26 January 2014 17: 59
                +3
                Quote: smile
                You are evil, I will leave you! :)

                Where do you get from the submarine! laughing
              2. Tersky
                Tersky 26 January 2014 19: 01
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241
                Where do you get from the submarine!

                Especially with such fuel laughing , (watch from 4 min. 55 sec.)
              3. smile
                smile 26 January 2014 19: 11
                +3
                Alex 241
                Karauuuuuul !!!! Walled up !!! And the bulkheads were bullied !!! On the site IN !!! Well, well, now you have to live here ... eat the blood of opponents ... and go to the toilet in PM :)))
              4. The comment was deleted.
              5. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 19: 46
                +1
                Quote: smile
                Karauuuuuul !!!! Walled up !!! And the bulkheads were bullied !!!

                You will be bullied, with your teeth - you’ll gnaw any bulkhead ... and not the fact that inside ...
                laughing

              6. smile
                smile 26 January 2014 20: 00
                +1
                And Us Rat
                :))) Look at yourself, because he himself is like that. :)))

                And in the end, where did you get my baby photo? Mine Goth! This was my first rattle! What, after infancy, have the Israeli secret services been following me? :)))
              7. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 20: 17
                +3
                Quote: smile
                What, after infancy, have the Israeli secret services been following me? :)))

                repeat Do you see birds in the sky? These are our ...
              8. bask
                bask 26 January 2014 20: 53
                +4
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Do you see birds in the sky? These are our ...

                Israeli Air Force Hawks. Patriots of the country.

                Re-plow everything if ordered.
              9. Alex 241
                Alex 241 26 January 2014 21: 00
                +3
                ..............................................
              10. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 21: 04
                +3
                Quote: bask
                Re-plow everything if ordered.

                Someone plows, someone reaps, or whatever it was in the song - "if you want to reap, but if you want to strike, you will still get ... a puck" laughing
              11. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 26 January 2014 21: 35
                +3
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Someone plows, someone reaps,

                I copied the photo myself.
                Signed title: "A crocodile on vacation helps mom on the farm"
                A good grown son, caring.
                yes
              12. Alex 241
                Alex 241 26 January 2014 21: 41
                +3
                Lesch alternative name: In the midst of a village suffering, or: fodder harvesting party care.
              13. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 26 January 2014 21: 55
                +3
                Quote: Alex 241
                In the midst of a rural suffering, or: the procurement of feed party care.

                good
                Sanya, I have this picture (top), the name is signed:
                "Tractor in Love"
                laughing

                I remember the poem from Bursa:
                Lubo Tankista:

                You are beautiful, like a tank hull,
                Like a tower, your chest is full
                Like BKP, agile,
                Like a gun, proud and slim!

                You're hot like a radiator
                And believe me girl soul
                Like my new battery,
                Good without recharging!

                Your eyes shine like lights
                And like cylinders, the chest breathes
                Like a machine gun, the lips tremble
                When I want to snuggle up to them ...

                I swear by pistons, rods
                I swear the whole part of the chassis,
                Like gear satellites
                We are in gear with you!

                I swear I don't dare to lie
                Strong armor to love,
                And the clutches fail
                Slow down my love!

                My love is stronger than steel
                The shell of separation will not take ...
                But the main thing is that you all know:
                Our world will save great love!

                winked
              14. Alex 241
                Alex 241 26 January 2014 22: 10
                +3
                Lesha, we also had such a work, my memory failed, I remember the beginning and the ending: You are beautiful like a Tu-16, your eyes are like heaven, your camp is slimmer than a Su-15 I will be yours forever laughing
        2. bask
          bask 26 January 2014 21: 37
          +1
          Quote: And Us Rat
          as it was in the song - "if you want to live, but if you want to strike, you will still get ... a puck"


          What Israeli song ??? request I don’t know this.
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Someone plows, someone reaps

          Something I did not meet yours, plowmen and reapers in Russia.
          Maybe you are on the Promised Land, reforged.

          Mi-24 is a good turntable, it smelled a lot in Afghanistan and Chechnya.
          Many parasites destroyed.

          Here is 2-a patriot of Israel. laughing What did you do with the form? Really drunk? lol
        3. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 26 January 2014 22: 00
          +3
          Quote: bask
          Something I'm yours, plowmen and reapers

          Andrei, yes we are so ...
          We’re a little nostalgic, don’t be angry, brother.
          drinks
        4. bask
          bask 26 January 2014 22: 59
          +3
          Quote: Aleks tv
          We’re a little nostalgic, don’t be angry, brother.

          Lyokh, but I'm not angry.
          And Us Rat a lot of smart info .. gives out.
          Especially for radical Islamists.

          To defuse the situation: our airborne forces who can still. good
          клик
        5. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 January 2014 23: 08
          +2
          Quote: bask
          To defuse the situation: our airborne forces who can still.

          Well .... repeat
        6. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 January 2014 23: 17
          +4
          That's where it all came from! Dangling legs laughing Handsome!
        7. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 26 January 2014 23: 21
          +2
          Quote: bask
          To defuse the situation: our airborne forces who can still.

          Yes, no one. Uncle Vasya’s troops are not possible to defeat in principle.

          Listen, guys, there were always three things that interested in this photo:
          - What kind of landscape is this? (which city or base of aircraft)
          - If he is with D-5, then hde exhaust? He should fall in love somewhere in the picture (the cover with the torn thread remains in the compartment).
          - Where is the red ring at the "heart"?
        8. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 January 2014 23: 28
          +2
          Lesh landscape is probably St. Petersburg, judging by the suspension system is not D-5.
        9. Normal
          Normal 26 January 2014 23: 57
          +3
          Quote: Aleks tv
          - What kind of landscape is this? (which city or base of aircraft)
          - If he is with D-5, then the exhaust

          Quote: Alex 241
          Lesh landscape is probably St. Petersburg, judging by the suspension system is not D-5.

          Like Peter, just compared to a satellite image.
          Definitely not the D-5, the suspension is not the same. And the ring is "no"
          In general, the photo is very beautiful, but I have long had doubts about its reality, or something.
          Reasons for doubt:
          1. Jump to the city. What for? Only in case of demonstration jumps at a military-patriotic holiday. Then where is the landing? In the stadium? But Petrovsky remained aloof. (see satellite image) True, there is still TsFKSiZ, but have not yet reached it. Remains the football field of the University.
          2. The shape and absence of a helmet, although of course for the sake of the holiday and "prettiness" such a thing is possible.
          And the photo is certainly cool. If anyone dispel my doubts - I will be grateful
        10. Alex 241
          Alex 241 27 January 2014 00: 06
          +3
          I welcome Volod, if there is a very dense building there, figuratively speaking, a well, there are a lot of copies broken about this photo, but no one came to an unambiguous conclusion.
        11. bask
          bask 27 January 2014 00: 24
          +2
          Healthy Volodya.
          Quote: Normal
          1. Jump to the city. What for

          For the holiday of the Airborne Forces, probably, landing. Just like that. The slogan of the Airborne Forces: no one but us.
          Quote: Normal
          2. The shape and absence of the helmet,

          The main thing is.
          And everything is purely in Russian.
          Quote: Alex 241
          but no one came to an unambiguous conclusion.

          Sasha, what about Petrovsky Stadium?
        12. Alex 241
          Alex 241 27 January 2014 00: 29
          +2
          Quote: bask
          Petrovsky Stadium?
          Andryush, dumbly, you can gurgle, there Neva is nearby.
    4. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 27 January 2014 00: 17
      +3
      Quote: Alex 241
      Lesh landscape is probably St. Petersburg, judging by the suspension system is not D-5.

      Sanya, that one here, in your photo, can finally have a different landscape.
      And the pendant ... I don’t know her at all. Explicitly not D-5.
      More like a sports "software".

      I’m not a landing party, I’m so ... technically shy ... I just jumped in the service.
      repeat
    5. Alex 241
      Alex 241 27 January 2014 00: 20
      +3
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Sanya, there it is, in your photo, finally another landscape
      Lesh, I talked about the first shot.
      Quote: Aleks tv
      I’m not a landing party, I’m so ... technically shy ... I just jumped in the service.

      Uncle I'm not a real welder, I just put on a mask laughing
  • bask
    bask 26 January 2014 23: 42
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    - What kind of landscape is this? (

    Not when I did not pay attention to it.
    But not Peter, for sure.
    Quote: Aleks tv
    or base of aircraft)
    - If he is with D-5, then hde exhaust?

    No, what is photoshop?
    Lyokh, that's for sure, great pictures in continuation of the topic, special forces in the mountains.
    клик
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 January 2014 23: 56
    +2
    Andrei Peter, turn the photo to 180 and compare.
  • Normal
    Normal 27 January 2014 00: 13
    +1
    Quote: bask
    But not Peter, for sure.


    Peter, Andrew, Peter. Visible Peter and Paul Fortress, Exchange and Palace Square ...
    Damn ... How to steal a satellite image from Google and insert?
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 22: 09
    +2
    Quote: bask
    Here is 2-a patriot of Israel.

    And here is 6 laughing

    Or even so belay
  • smile
    smile 26 January 2014 23: 52
    +1
    And Us Rat
    So here it is, the Israeli military .... :)))
  • smile
    smile 26 January 2014 20: 55
    +1
    And Us Rat
    She doubted that in winter our birds fly south to bask, and those already recruited by Mossad arrive and everyone knows the Torah by heart. :))) Well, where to go with a planet enslaved by the Jews? :)))

    And the video is beautiful. Indescribably. It’s even enviable - this bird lives like that, it is in the air, like we are on the asphalt .... and sometimes we can see on the tyrnet. Well, who is he after that, if not an agent of Mossad? :)))
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 21: 09
    +3
    Quote: smile
    Well, where to go with a planet enslaved by the Jews? :)))

    Yura Kag Be hints laughing

    ... although not ... late ... ours are already there what


    laughing laughing laughing
  • smile
    smile 26 January 2014 21: 51
    +1
    And Us Rat
    All. I killed it. Totally! I almost did not jump. :)))
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 January 2014 21: 24
    +2
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Do you see birds in the sky?

    Yes, SAM, a cool video ...
    good
    Steeper only wingsuits.
    Eh, if I were younger ... otherwise family ... children, you can’t be so reckless anymore (I love free fall very much, I never tore the ring on 503, I always pulled time ...)
    repeat

  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 21: 31
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    I love very much free fall, the ring on 503 never tore, always pulled time ...

    Do not rash the reservist salt on the wounds ... how I miss this ... sad
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 January 2014 21: 38
    +3
    So Comrade officers poured into a glass and ate, otherwise I’ll write what I miss!
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 January 2014 21: 43
    +3
    Quote: And Us Rat
    how i miss this ...

    Eheh ... guys in the fall called in Loginovo (near Ekb) to jump from Annushka ...
    Shemya was agitated, did not go.
    repeat
    So, little by little, I only get out sometimes to the Training Center behind the UC, to take my "Cheburashka", and so I rest ...
    winked
  • smile
    smile 26 January 2014 22: 07
    +2
    Aleks tv
    Family is not worth talking - they’ll be filmed and worried.
    Although ... better right away ... In Kaliningrad, you can jump in the city - an airfield on Gagarin. An 2.
    Once, about ten years, a colleague and I stayed with the children, the wives parted - mine at the session, where else ... and we decided to skip to jump. One jumps - the second bugs grazes (they were 4 years old). We went twice. Everything was fine, the children first fought, then made friends. :)))) We, naive, thought that no one would know anything ... the children blabbed ... what was at home - not to convey ... and the funny thing is the main claim - but if you were killed, what would happen to the child ? Okay, okay, Sasha was there - and if you both were ..... ..... inaudible, were you killed? ... :)))
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 January 2014 22: 20
    +3
    Quote: smile
    what was at home - not to convey ...

    Hmm ... wives got caught.
    Get the village tractor - all four wheels ...

    We extinguish the light, merge the oil, repent of all sins to the wives, we swear that this will not happen again.
    No other way has been invented yet
    lol
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 January 2014 22: 25
    +3
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Hmm ... wives got caught.
    Get the village tractor - all four wheels ..
    Aha Leh, a tractor, worse than a six-barreled mortar, buzzed all day. Her little daughter was somehow able to find a cassette from the jumps laughing
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 22: 30
    +3
    Quote: Alex 241
    My little daughter was somehow managing to find a cassette from the jumps. laughing

    This is already "put out the light" belay By the way, I always wanted to ask a knowledgeable person - what does the fifth corner look like? laughing
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 January 2014 22: 40
    +3
    This is when space and time are combined, but it’s better not to laughing
  • Normal
    Normal 26 January 2014 21: 48
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Oh, if I were younger ... otherwise family ... children, you can’t be so reckless anymore


    Greetings, Alex.

    Here I went to the paragliders somehow, I thought I would recall my youth - kaifan. Yeah ...
    Looks already already old - scary.
    Quote: Aleks tv
    503 ring never tore,
    But what about the device? there is still 3 seconds. Exposed, especially not tighten.
    And during mass ejection so that the interval is the same and there are no toe-in, we always agreed not to tear the rings and go on the device.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 January 2014 22: 09
    +3
    Quote: Normal
    But what about the device? there is still 3 seconds. Exposed, especially not tighten.
    And during mass ejection so that the interval is the same and there are no toe-in, we always agreed not to tear the rings and go on the device.

    Greetings, Vladimir.
    hi
    The device will work, of course, he will go away, Soviet after all.
    I just tried not to tear it before its work, I pulled it all the time ... and then I pulled out a free ring in my pocket so as not to lose it.

    And as for the mass drop - I am not a landing party, I don’t know all the subtleties, I jumped from “Ulybayka” only once, and more and more from “Annushka” and “Bee-Teshek” ... yes, mainly to the mountain slope.
    I had such a period in my life, three and a half years, I wrote earlier ...
    Oh, it was a good time.
    crying
    drinks
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 January 2014 22: 20
    +3
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Oh, it was a good time.

    Lesh, and now it's okay, they haven't lost themselves, they haven't exchanged their lives for "nickels", family, children, let's break through, brother!
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 January 2014 22: 25
    +3
    Quote: Alex 241
    break through brother!

    And where to go, Sanya!
    Hosh, not hosh, but you have to win. We were all taught this way.
    wink
    Break through!
    drinks
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 January 2014 22: 30
    +4
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Break through!
    Tanks and red wheels ride through the village, I'm sitting in the attic) (Ren shoot me laughing drinks
  • smile
    smile 26 January 2014 23: 46
    +2
    Normal
    Wow .... I began to envy you, without humor I say this .... I always wanted to fly ... on anything .... even at school I enrolled in the glider section - along with half the class ... but there it didn’t go further than theory and two jumps in Palanga - he graduated from school. By the way, we jumped in the winter, in the snow ... with infusion ... pristine and even, like a table, even glittered, an infection ... further, I think, everything is clear, given that without experience it is difficult to determine how close the land is :))) ) ... And a classmate became the star of gliding Lithuania.
    We’re sometimes scandalous, but it turns out there’s something in common. :)))
  • Normal
    Normal 27 January 2014 00: 34
    +2
    Quote: smile
    I always wanted to fly ... on anything ..

    The most affordable is a paraglider. No airplane needed. The suspension wing can be found used up to $ in good condition. You can fly from a gentle slope if only the wind towards.
    The main thing is to start flying immediately independently and from a slope (high), and not with a tandem with a forced take-off on a winch (not high)
    When I tried, it turned out to get off the ground on the fifth attempt. He flew in Krylatskoye, there are small hills with slopes in a ravine and to the Moscow River. In summer, with the ability to catch the upward stream, you can fly for hours, but this is professionalism.
    The best thing is flying in the mountains.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 27 January 2014 01: 00
    +3
    Quote: Normal
    The best thing is flying in the mountains.

    good
    For the second year now I am going to Tyrnyauz (there is a stone's throw to my Jan-Tugan), and it is possible to find good slopes along the "cable cars" in the Elbrus region ...
    repeat
  • smile
    smile 27 January 2014 01: 44
    +1
    Normal
    Thank. But you see, probably, inertia of thinking plays a role here - I won’t go looking for paragliders. And among friends I don’t have, I’m not even sure if we have them - there are only those who are sailing on the board with a sail in the water :))) So, I limit myself to parachuting and after jumping on the An 2 at the helm a little bit hold on ... as many seconds as they give :)))
    As Manilov I read your comment and imagine ..... I probably do not want enough. :))) That ended my week of a summer vacation after a business trip and I will not be able to keep up with the site daily. :)))
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 27 January 2014 01: 47
    +2
    Volodya I threw you the whole RLE, so sit and study, any knowledge in the world laughing
  • Normal
    Normal 27 January 2014 02: 19
    +2
    Quote: smile
    Thank. But you see, probably, inertness of thinking plays a role here - I won’t go looking for paragliders.


    Who knows, maybe it is not necessary?

    www.kp.ru/video/494706/ laughing
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 27 January 2014 00: 39
    +3
    Here Volod spread, can hook and go on. http://www.tosnoaero.ru/library/manual/Yak-52.pdf
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 January 2014 17: 45
    +2
    Yes, we know Lesh, that you are a good-natured person laughing
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 26 January 2014 17: 56
      +6
      Quote: smile
      and my train of thought was to get out and have a break ... :)))

      laughing
      good
      Humor is our EVERYTHING. We can’t get over the snot. No.

      Quote: Alex 241
      Yes, we know Lesh, that you are a good-natured person

      Sanya, that I myself am good.
      Especially for "friends".
      wink
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 January 2014 18: 04
      +5
      Behind us will not rust laughing
    3. bask
      bask 26 January 2014 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: Alex 241
      Behind us will not rust

      EEEEEETTTT definitely Sanya. lol

      Something like a pilot on Georgia.
      And the airplane is beautiful.
    4. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 January 2014 19: 12
      +3
      ....... bask. That the pilot is similar to the Georgian ..
  • bask
    bask 26 January 2014 18: 42
    +4
    Quote: Alex 241
    Yes, we know Lesh, that you are a good-natured person

    Yes, here they are.
    Hi guys. Sasha, Lesh.
    As the famous satirist said: comrade ... Raikin is our strength in our swimming trunks. fellow (probably about steelworkers). laughing

    Laughter with laughter: but we need to get ready now that we will have to fight with these colorful uncles. We are always ready, but this must be explained to the young.
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  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 17: 07
    +3
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: smile
    I never walked past a person lying on the ground, did not ignore cries for help and did not "not notice" the hooligan protesters,

    good
    Ancologically, Vladimir.
    There are things which do not be shy.
    - Not so long ago, half an hour did not leave the girl who fell from a high swing. He called his mother through his girlfriends, but he didn't even let her "bang" her (he was afraid of the spine and the head). He left only after the ambulance arrived.
    - Last Sunday I brought home a lost grandfather sitting at the store. Grandfather really got lost, the grandmother then said that he had memory lapses.
    And this is not my "notion", you can't joke about this ...
    -Well, how many "luli" I got when I climbed where ahem ... other passers-by do not climb ... laughing
    I do not regret it at all. And I’m not showing off. My friends do the same.
    Which I wish to everyone. Are we men, B.I., or what?
    Hello from the Urals.
    drinks

    Definitely a man! And do not change! drinks And if you graft it for future generations, you won’t have a price. good
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 27 January 2014 05: 59
    -1
    Quote: And Us Rat
    I regularly travel to Russia


    It is necessary to prohibit the insurgent entry into Russia. What good person with such a nickname can bring? Only manure? We have enough of our own. May the sands of Israel fertilize.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 27 January 2014 07: 15
    +1
    the exchange of ONE kidnapped soldier for 1000 bearded - shatters any arguments against my argument) ... hi Apparently the words: "I'm not changing a soldier to a field marshal!" You will never understand ...
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 27 January 2014 10: 02
      0
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      the exchange of ONE kidnapped soldier for 1000 bearded - shatters any arguments against my argument) ... hi Apparently the words: "I'm not changing a soldier to a field marshal!" You will never understand ...

      We know the words - We do not betray and do not abandon hi
  • Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 10: 18
    +4
    I personally agree with "WE ARE"
    We work for a penny at their enterprises, look and compare the salaries of workers, technicians and the administration of the factories - the difference is 8-15 times and we also protect the army mastery and their lifeand then after returning from the ARMY we go to work for them at their enterprises for a penny, earning whole fortunes for them
    Did you see that their SONS would serve and even fight? Personally, I have not seen, but I saw them riding on a Ferrari, Lamborghini living and studying abroad
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 26 January 2014 10: 30
      +14
      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
      we serving in the ARMY defend the lordship and their life


      I personally served in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation defended Russia.
      Whom you defended is your own business, but do not talk about everyone.
      1. Rider
        Rider 26 January 2014 13: 52
        +4
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        no need to talk about everyone.

        yes calm down both of you.
        after all, this is a common divorce, scum, throw, and make fun of the people here throats.

        take it easy.
        negativity can be found about ANY PEOPLE.

        for the sake of interest, drive into the search: crime corruption maniac child molestation - Israel.
        I’m sure that the list of links will be impressive.

        just don't get fooled by provocations.
      2. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 17: 29
        -2
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        I personally served in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation defended Russia

        And involuntarily the LORD GOOD
        I also defended Russia, but involuntarily their goodness, because they make money in Russia, their factories, business because here and while they themselves live here.
    2. askort154
      askort154 26 January 2014 13: 00
      +3
      Veteran Vlad.
      I personally agree with "WE ARE"

      And what new have you heard from his lips? His posts are designed for such. He "lies on the beach of the Dead Sea", and "convinces" you - how bad your life in Russia is for you. Open your eyes, why then suddenly, a "simple" Jew from Israel is so concerned about the "humiliated" in Russia?!
      Judging by the fact that he is constantly on this site, and given the difference in time zones, he is clearly not on the beach of the Dead Lake, but somewhere between Moscow and the Urals.
      More likely beyond the Urals!
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 26 January 2014 13: 07
        -1
        Quote: askort154
        And what new have you heard from his lips? His posts are designed for such. He "lies" on the beach of the Dead Sea, and "convinces" you - how bad your life in Russia is for you. Open your eyes, why then suddenly, a "simple" Jew from Israel, so worries for the "humiliated" in Russia?!
        Judging by the fact that he is constantly on this site, and given the difference in time zones, he is clearly not the beach of the Dead Lake, but somewhere between Moscow and the Urals.
        More likely beyond the Urals!

        Stupidity, I do not "convince" anyone of anything - I express my opinion, if you do not like it, do not read. By location - the site ticks the boxes automatically at the IP address, today I, for example, in Eilat on vacation and "lie on the beach" of the Red and not the Dead Sea tongue
        1. askort154
          askort154 26 January 2014 13: 33
          +3
          ... And Us Rat ... Stupidity, I do not "convince" anyone of anything - I express my opinion, if you do not like it, do not read it. By location - the site ticks the boxes automatically at the IP address, today I, for example, in Eilat on vacation and "lie on the beach" of the Red and not the Dead Sea

          Got it, you are white and fluffy! Why do you accuse everyone of "stupidity"?
          What about the Red Sea? Judging by your first post on this thread at 8-28
          Moscow time, which corresponds to 6-28 on the Red Sea. "So early,
          such a wed "... writing on the beach?
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 26 January 2014 13: 39
            +2
            I’m used to get up early - work on a construction site starts early, I usually get up at 5, pick up workers from home, then an hour and a half on the way to the site to start working at 7, and this habit doesn’t go away on vacation. wassat
            1. askort154
              askort154 26 January 2014 13: 56
              +4
              And Nas Rat ... I'm used to getting up early - work at a construction site starts early, I usually get up at 5, pick up workers from home, then an hour and a half on the way to the object, so that at 7 to start working, and on vacation this habit well, it doesn't go anywhere.

              Praiseworthy, though more like guile. But you left the answer about the Black brothers and Nevzlin.
              And actually, I noticed that you have a technology - clinging to words while moving away from a direct answer to the question posed. This method is in my mother-in-law and, in modern floodists.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 14: 12
                -1
                Quote: askort154
                But you left the answer about the Black brothers and Nevzlin.

                And what is there to discuss - political rotten games, this is a kilometer visible, and therefore I am not interested. request
                1. askort154
                  askort154 26 January 2014 14: 49
                  +3
                  And Us Rat ...
                  And concern ... "It's a shame for the state," believe it or not. The country has a huge potential to become a world leader and an example of goodness and justice - but ALL YOU stubbornly pull it in the other direction.


                  And Us Rat .... And what is there to discuss - rotten political games, it can be seen from a kilometer, and therefore I'm not interested.

                  Again they were pierced. What are you interested in on the Russian site?
                  And for what power is insulting, a construction contractor from Israel?
                  Sweetheart - lost in the three pines? Tired of reading your inconsistent nonsense. Your nickname "WE'RE RATH" speaks of the duality in your psyche, which you expose. Good-bye!
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 15: 34
                    -2
                    Quote: askort154
                    Good-bye!

                    Yeah do me a favor lol
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              3. atalef
                atalef 26 January 2014 14: 47
                0
                Quote: askort154
                I’m used to get up early - work on a construction site starts early, I usually get up at 5, pick up workers from home, then an hour and a half on the way to the site to start working at 7, and this habit doesn’t go away on vacation.

                Yes, in general, practically everyone has it. The working day starts at 7 (I have at 6.30)
                Therefore, I get up at 5.10 - although it takes 10 minutes to get to work.
                And this habit has been so developed for years that even on vacation more than until 7 in the morning I just can’t sleep.
                Quote: askort154
                Praiseworthy, though more like guile. But you left the answer about the Black brothers and Nevzlin

                And that I was at Nevzlin’s house (in Caesarea) —a good house, a pleasant person in conversation. And the fact that he is credited with is something like that. that he didn’t commit crimes with us. There are 50t. Repeat offenders from Russia living in London - nevertheless for some reason they are not given out. Neither probably believe in honest Russian justice. Do you yourself believe that?
                Quote: askort154
                And actually, I noticed that you have a technology - clinging to words while moving away from a direct answer to the question. Such a method in my mother-in-law

                My wife has the same thing, the same troll is still the same. wassat
                1. askort154
                  askort154 26 January 2014 15: 18
                  +1
                  atalef ... And that I was at Nevzlin's house (in Caesarea) - a good house, a pleasant person in communication. And the fact that he is credited with is something like that. that he didn’t commit crimes with us. There are 50t. Repeat offenders from Russia living in London - nevertheless for some reason they are not given out. Neither probably believe in honest Russian justice. Do you yourself believe that?

                  Do you yourself believe in what you are hanging on to us? Gusinsky, Smolensky, Berezovsky (p-p, p-p, p-p), the Black brothers, etc., no less pleasant to talk to. If this is a criterion of legal decency in your understanding, then what does Russian justice have to do with it. And in general, I conducted a dialogue with the "builder from Israel" (and we are soldiers)? Got it, you are his lawyer!
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                  2. atalef
                    atalef 26 January 2014 15: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: askort154
                    Do you yourself believe in what we are being hanged up? Gusinsky, Smolensky, Berezovsky

                    It is he who hangs you. None of these three were particularly noticed in Israel. All around London
                    Quote: askort154
                    Black brothers

                    I don’t know, I didn’t communicate and in Israel they don’t
                    Quote: askort154
                    If this is a criterion of legal decency in your understanding, then what does Russian justice have to do with it.

                    Not to do with it. Do you see Assad with Iran, Hezbollah with Hamas like - so that now I have to be touched by them?

                    Quote: askort154
                    .And in general, I was in dialogue with the "builder from Israel" (and we are army)? Got it, you are his lawyer!

                    Then in a personal - pliz. Chat on the forum and hope for privacy. Here, as in a gangbang, anyone in the back gets attached and weaned laughing
                  3. askort154
                    askort154 26 January 2014 15: 55
                    +1
                    atalef .... Chat on the forum and hope for privacy. Here, as in a gangbang, anyone at the back will attach and wean.

                    I agree, but! If you "get involved", then you need to track the dialogue initially in order to grasp the essence, and not cling to individual phrases or
                    words not bearing a semantic load. Everything! Gone.
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                  5. atalef
                    atalef 26 January 2014 15: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: askort154
                    I agree, but! If you "get involved", then you need to track the dialogue initially in order to grasp the essence, and not cling to individual phrases or

                    I knowingly wrote about the gangbang. Or do you think there is love and feelings? Or do they have long sentimental conversations first?
                    Although in general right, there should be rules even in a brothel.
                    I read the whole branch.
                    hi
            2. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 17: 42
              +1
              "And the fact that I was at Nevzlin's house (in Caesarea) is a good house, a pleasant person to talk to. And what is attributed to him - well, so to us. He did not commit any crimes with us. There are 50 tons of repeat offenders in London. live - nevertheless, for some reason they are not betrayed. They probably do not believe in honest Russian justice. Do you believe that yourself? "
              He is a thief, he stole money from MY PEOPLE
      2. Tatarus
        Tatarus 27 January 2014 06: 13
        -1
        Quote: askort154
        To such an early time
        such a Wed
        on the beach you will not see for sure.
    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 26 January 2014 17: 54
      -1
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Stupidity, I do not "convince" anyone of anything - I express my opinion, if you do not like it, do not read. By location - the site ticks the boxes automatically at the IP address, today I, for example, in Eilat on vacation and "lie on the beach" of the Red and not the Dead Sea

      Tell me better, what weed do you smoke? Or are you sniffing glue?
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  • Arhj
    Arhj 26 January 2014 09: 04
    +9
    "Don't confuse variety with blm." Nobody argues that there are enough lawless people in the country, but they are our lawless people and it is for us to deal with them without the help of well-wishers because of the cordon. And getting rid of rot has nothing to do with patriotism.
    "Patriotism (Efremova's dictionary) - love for one's fatherland, devotion to one's people and responsibility before them"
    You must always love your country and no matter what, at least for the fact that you have no other.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 26 January 2014 09: 07
    +8
    Quote: And Us Rat
    The main enemy of Russia inside it is those who shout about patriotism from behind the authorities, and at the same time have people in the tail and mane, spitting elementary even on state legislation.


    In some ways you are right, this is really an enemy, as well as those who gradually or directly affect the minds of fragile or frankly weak, tells that we are worse than dirt and are so far behind civilized countries that it is high time for us to surrender to their mercy, so that subsequent generations already live in "civilization", multiculturalism, liberalism and other lizba. Forgetting who we were and not thinking about who we have become.
    But again, everything stated, including the three-meter fences, came to us from the so-called "civilization". And found a lot of fans. Therefore, internal enemies are inextricably linked with external ones and it is necessary to crush both those and those.
    1. haron
      haron 26 January 2014 10: 34
      -1
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      But again, everything stated, including the three-meter fences, came to us from the so-called "civilization".

      This cannot come from "civilization", this character trait has been known throughout the world for thousands of years among all peoples.
      The first fences from man and not from the beast around the villages are the beginning of this approach. Almost all "princely, county, boyar, lord, khan ..." estates were closed with a wall, and all the "unearned income" was brought there, so that Robin Hood or another lord did not come and take it (he also gave a lot of money).
      Civilization gave a mobile instead of a sable skin, but it did not change the essence of the matter.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 26 January 2014 10: 49
        +4
        Dear Charon, Have you read the post And Us Rat? Have you completely read my post?
        Apparently not 2 times.
        I understand that the word fence is painfully familiar to us all from childhood. We all at least once wrote and wrote something on it (the fence) (sorry moderators) on it, climbed through it, etc.
        So dear Charon, my post is not about fences.
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 12: 08
      +1
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Therefore, internal enemies are inextricably linked with external ones and it is necessary to crush both those and those.

      So push it! So far, only complaints and excuses. In 1000, we have fewer resources and people, and no less enemies - however, our military is crushing external enemies, the prosecutor’s office is planting internal ones, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is driving their rotten blunders into the throat of Geyropei diplomats. And the LAW is respected. What bothers you? request
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 27 January 2014 06: 06
        -1
        Quote: And Us Rat
        What bothers you?


        Do not believe it ... Basically, you bother us
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  • Albert1988
    Albert1988 26 January 2014 12: 44
    +2
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Where is the line between the need to protect the integrity of the country and between the protection of the "lordly lands" of the oligarchs?

    But forgive me, what to do if an external enemy comes to us? Let's say - "they say everything belongs to the oligarchs, so we will not fight, but what about it?" And if the enemy "genocide" us comes? Drive from your land where our ancestors lived? To say - but she does not belong to us, so figs with her?
    But for some reason, in 1941 there were few of those who refused to fight for the "red-bellied and gebeshniks", and the majority of the population understood perfectly well that they were fighting first of all for their land, culture, children, wives, parents ...
    And I, too, imagine, many relatives in Israel, and they often come to Russia and tell a lot ... So there is corruption in Israel, and the Oligarchs, etc. There is no need to "idealize" and even more so try to apply double standards ... This is not rational hi
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 13: 02
      -4
      Quote: Albert1988
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Where is the line between the need to protect the integrity of the country and between the protection of the "lordly lands" of the oligarchs?

      But forgive me, what to do if an external enemy comes to us? Let's say - "they say everything belongs to the oligarchs, so we will not fight, but what about it?" And if the enemy "genocide" us comes? Drive from your land where our ancestors lived? To say - but she does not belong to us, so figs with her?
      But for some reason, in 1941 there were few of those who refused to fight for the "red-bellied and gebeshniks", and the majority of the population understood perfectly well that they were fighting first of all for their land, culture, children, wives, parents ...
      And I, too, imagine, many relatives in Israel, and they often come to Russia and tell a lot ... So there is corruption in Israel, and the Oligarchs, etc. There is no need to "idealize" and even more so try to apply double standards ... This is not rational hi

      I did not say that there was no need to protect the country, I asked where the line is! Where is the line beyond which the oligarchs will put in place?
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 26 January 2014 14: 58
        0
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Where is the line beyond which the oligarchs will put in place?

        The problem of the oligarchs is an exclusively internal problem, and has nothing to do with issues of external military threats. On the one hand, an oligarch is internal enemy with which it is necessary to fight, but at that moment when a certain one is coming to us external adversary, then the will is not the will, but the interests of the oligarchs and other citizens coincide, no matter how wild it looks (the oligarchs are unlikely to just hand over the oil to some Chinese), it is necessary to overwhelm the external enemy, and only then decide do with the inside, here's the edge, nothing really complicated hi
  • demotivator
    demotivator 26 January 2014 08: 29
    +5
    If a convinced patriot of Russia understands the essence of the global, realizes the need to take into account the interests of many participants in international relations, insists on using international experience to solve the most important tasks of his country, this indicates the breadth of his views, the creative nature of his position.
    But what should be called the spokesman for cosmopolitanism, sacrificing the military security of their Fatherland to some global security, which world politics with far from innocuous ambitions and instruments to realize their interests claim to ensure?

    So directly and call-a national traitor. Trotsky was a prominent exponent of cosmopolitanism. It was he who considered Russia "an armful of brushwood, which must be mercilessly thrown into the fire of the world revolution." Since then, little has changed, except for the rhetoric, of course. But the essence remained the same - the cosmopolitans, regardless of the interests of Russia and the Russians, are ready to solve world problems only at our expense. All these Gaidars (Yegor, of course), the Chubais and their other fellow tribesmen are the new Trotskyists cosmopolitans. And they deserve the fate of their loser guru.
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 26 January 2014 09: 51
    +1
    Yuri Kirshin and "general from history" Dmitry Volkogonov are "recovered" scoundrels. Nothing patriotic from such officials in uniform - NO! Only striving sell out more potential adversary.
  • Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 10: 20
    -3
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Where is the line between the need to protect the integrity of the country and between the protection of the "lordly lands" of the oligarchs?
    Regularly there are news such as "a local oligarch, son-in-law \ matchmaker \ godfather \ governor \ prosecutor, fenced off the local nature reserve \ forest \ park with a three-meter fence and turned it into a part of his estate, local residents lost access to the lake \ river \ forest"

    I agree with you
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 January 2014 11: 08
    +3
    Quote: Theorists in the field of military security need to develop and offer practitioners different in content and form, but necessarily the most effective of the possible tools and measures to create a reliable system of military security of Russia.

    The most important thing is not to lose the fundamental principles of building the country's security system behind the verbal husk. The word "reliable" cannot be applied to the concept of "security". For there is no "insecure security". In Russia, the military security system is based on strategic nuclear missile weapons. Unless a madman can try Russia for strength, by military aggression. This is the fundamental difference between the security of today's Russia and the USSR 1941. This means that the Soviet leaders made the right conclusions from the 1941-1945 war. And for that I bow to them. And all sorts of "theorists" were bred like fleas on a dog. And everyone strives to advise. Let them talk for self-affirmation ...
  • alone
    alone 26 January 2014 11: 09
    +1
    War. Sometimes this is the only way out to solve a problem between states. Unfortunately, of course.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 12: 01
      -4
      Quote: lonely
      War. Sometimes this is the only way out to solve a problem between states. Unfortunately, of course.

      Especially when the differences are religious and ideological, material, then it is just resolved peacefully most often - compromises are possible there.
    2. Yura
      Yura 26 January 2014 13: 07
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      War. Sometimes this is the only way out to solve a problem between states.

      But not for those who start it, because they have a choice to fight or not fight, unlike those who have to defend themselves.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 26 January 2014 11: 36
    +1
    Where is the line between the need to protect the integrity of the country and between the protection of the "lordly lands" of the oligarchs?

    The answer is, as I understand it:
    - the army is designed to protect the country from external threats, regardless of the inside of the political life of society;
    - The police to protect themselves from internal threats (in the Caucasus, OMON, the Ministry of Internal Affairs are fighting, not the army);
    - private security companies (PSCs) for the protection of private "lordly lands" by the lords and created.
    I am sorry if someone's worldview about the integrity of the country's borders is limited to the fence of the noble lands.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 January 2014 12: 00
    +2
    "Is human life really a war?"
    A charming attempt to trample an academic opponent with scientific means. Only for some reason it was put up for reading by a mass audience. It is well known that the "scientific community" is, first of all, a can with poisonous spiders, mercilessly and ingeniously destroying each other in such a way that the main character of the "saw" would be muddied by mutual cruelty. This is what we see in the presented text.
    The quote I quoted at the beginning is an example of the author's basic method. It is gratifying to see that Russian science is a worthy successor to the Soviet one - having no arguments on the topic, the opponent was strangled by "mistakes in understanding Marxist-Leninist philosophy." Not having something to argue on the topic, not having scientific arguments, the author naturally turns to poetry. So I see how, when writing a phrase, a mean man's tear crawls down the author's chin. "Really" ?! Is it really enough to place your unsubstantiated, but abundantly equipped with scientific-like lengths text on the Military Review in order to tear off a grant for yourself and crush another?
    Slag.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 26 January 2014 12: 07
    0
    A state, without its own (supported by the majority) ideological base, which can create a high-tech, multi-generational economy, is just a soap bubble, short-lived, depending on millions of factors. The "bubble" must be in an armored shell, in other words, the term "if you want peace, get ready for war "although not new, but true. The terms" of the new elite "where the" grandmothers "are there and the Motherland" is unacceptable for us, and if the state "does not wind up their tails" (which is not yet visible), then it can be very bad.
  • upasika1918
    upasika1918 26 January 2014 12: 13
    +5
    Defense of the Homeland, Patriotism is the natural aspiration of the spirit. No one is surprised by the feeling of motherhood, filial and paternal love. The figures of the fifth column in words wish us well. What good? Answer- We want freedom, equality and fraternity for YOUR children. They want for our children and grandchildren this:
    1. Yura
      Yura 26 January 2014 13: 02
      +3
      Quote: upasika1918
      They want for our children and grandchildren this:

      If my son had become such, I would have immediately realized that Taras Bulba is my father, who for some reason did not have time to bang me. To see your grandson like this is a blow for a normal person that not everyone can handle.
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  • shelva
    shelva 26 January 2014 15: 28
    +3
    "Russia has only two friends: the army and the navy" - said the Russian monarch and was absolutely right. Not a single event of the 20th, and even more so of the beginning of the 21st century, refuted this statement.
    In light of this, the security of our state should be a priority in domestic and foreign policies. And not only military security, but also economic, food, ... any.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 26 January 2014 17: 36
    +1
    And why the hell do we need this Yuri Kirshin? Who is he? One of the stains of paper.
    Now they publish so much garbage, you can’t read and discuss everything.
  • Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 17: 45
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    And that I was at Nevzlin’s house (in Caesarea) —a good house, a pleasant person in conversation. And the fact that he is credited with is something like that. that he didn’t commit crimes with us. There are 50t. Repeat offenders from Russia living in London - nevertheless for some reason they are not given out. Neither probably believe in honest Russian justice. Do you yourself believe that?

    He stole money from MY PEOPLE
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  • individual
    individual 26 January 2014 18: 01
    +1
    When diplomats stop talking, guns start talking.
  • Power
    Power 26 January 2014 18: 27
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    The author piled up so much that I wanted to read the original source, if only to understand "was there a boy?"
  • RUSLAN454
    RUSLAN454 26 January 2014 18: 59
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    Unfortunately, the current government is trying to hamper people that they are defending or will defend precisely their Motherland, although in reality in the event of war everything will be simpler - they will force us to protect oil, coal gas, which, it seems, is ours, but not our bit, but It belongs exclusively to Putin’s gang. Thieves and enemies of the people settled in the capital, the country is in trouble. Zombie through the media has reached such proportions that people seriously think that all the successes of the past 13 years are the merit of PUTIN and Co., which are so artificially ruining the state that some people do not notice. They are lucky that terribly patient people live on this earth (although, of course, there were 2 revolutions in the XNUMXth century). The USSR was destroyed at first, and they also want to destroy Russia from the inside. Patriotism will be only when the idea appears, as was the case with the great USSR, when there will be a desire to build and develop, and most importantly, when the attitude of the authorities towards the people will be respectful, and not like slaves!
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    2. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 19: 19
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      Quote: RUSLAN454
      Unfortunately, the current government is trying to hamper people that they are defending or will defend precisely their Motherland, although in reality in the event of war everything will be simpler - they will force us to protect oil, coal gas, which, it seems, is ours, but not our bit, but It belongs exclusively to Putin’s gang.

      Here is RUSLAN454 - Rights
    3. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 26 January 2014 20: 00
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      Quote: RUSLAN454
      Unfortunately, the current government is trying to hamper people that they are defending or will defend precisely their homeland, although in reality in the event of war everything will be easier - we will be forced to protect oil, gas, coal,

      Hmm ... how old are you?
      I do not insult, but you, in my opinion, have a little confused some concepts.

      I have one story: "Duva" ...
      It is not for publication, I will quote a piece of it, I hope the moderators will not cut it out:

      ...
      - Pi.dets full, the fighter in his eyes falls asleep, where are you going? Understood ... Companions in the department, take the "body", yes, wait a minute ... why are you roaring with slimy drops? Which homeland? Where did she send you?
      He took with his two hands the face of a tired conscript soldier, shook his spine to the liver and yelled into the very throat of the depth of his eyes:
      “The Government sent you to the war, not the Homeland — okay?”
      - What is the homeland? This is MOTHER, which they protect without thinking - okay?
      - WE HAVE PROTECTED FOR YOURSELF THAT TO SURVIVE - UNDERSTANDING?!?!?!
      Fucking puppy does not know that the Motherland doesn’t need anything except his Life ... Oh, oh, bf, philosophy has gone ... Fuck philosophy.
      ...


      The government sends it to war, but we defend the homeland.
      This is an old truth known to all servants.
      So it was, it is, and it will be so at all times and in any country.

      Anyone who questions this when defending their own country loses or dies. And all sorts of worms (such as oil or oligarchs) always troubled their heads at all times, but priority of various values ​​protection of the homeland - paramount value.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 26 January 2014 20: 04
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      2. RUSLAN454
        RUSLAN454 27 January 2014 00: 14
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        After all, you know that Stalin was an ascetic in life, he didn’t find much after death (murder), although he could have everything that his heart desires, but no, he was busy and was busy creating the greatest state of the XNUMXth century. Here he is the leader, he was the same as any of the people: modestly dressed, didn’t speak beautiful and pathos, he just took and did the job, he and the people endured the hardships of time, then you could safely go into battle, knowing that the country is in the hands of people who want not only to live well taking advantage of the place (as they are now), but those whose goal was to improve their country in every way, in science, industry, socially, etc. .. Here again, when people ideological in power (unless the idea is to steal the dough and live better in this world) there is a return from the people and patriotism begins to roll over
      3. RUSLAN454
        RUSLAN454 27 January 2014 00: 15
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        Well, about that, going to defend your homeland, you are not fighting for power, but for relatives, for a blade of grass, for a small forest, I agree with you, then I would throw aside the thoughts of the bloomers sitting in the government and go to fight for my own. By the way, it’s nice to see here a man who is not trying to convince you that Putin is still the father of the nation, etc.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 27 January 2014 00: 45
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          Quote: RUSLAN454
          Well, about that, going to defend your homeland, you are not fighting for power, but for relatives, for a blade of grass, for a small forest, I agree with you, here I would throw aside the thoughts of the bloomers sitting in the government and go to fight for my own.

          yes
          good
          Rulers and governments leave, and Homeland - ALWAYS LIVES. And it needs to be protected ALWAYS. This is the axiom of the soul for all citizens of all countries.

          And Stalin ...
          He took a plowed country with a plow and left it a Core Mighty Power, defeating one of the most terrible wars with the brown plague of the 20th century. (whatever they say and write about him ...)
          He left nothing behind: neither bank accounts, nor golden monuments, nor brocade footcloths to inherit ...
          I am not a Stalinist, but I will give Joseph Vissarionovich with Honor the Military Greetings:
          (I do it rarely)
          soldier
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  • Stinger
    Stinger 26 January 2014 20: 28
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    Quote: Corsair5912
    And why the hell do we need this Yuri Kirshin? Who is he? One of the stains of paper.
    Now they publish so much garbage, you can’t read and discuss everything.

    After reading it, frankly speaking, with difficulty, I thought that both Kirshin and the author of the article were former army political workers. And so it turned out. Both are doctors of philosophy. Natives of the VPA named after Lenin. Philosophical issues, nevertheless, are best discussed in the Military Philosophical Bulletin, of which the author of the article is a member of the editorial board. For discussion on this site, such questions are difficult.
    But, since it was about patriotism and cosmopolitanism, for example, I was most influenced by the Russian classics writers. And the choice of the military profession was finally made after reading the trilogy by AI Kuprin "Cadets", "Juncker", "Duel"). Especially "Juncker", which is imbued with the spirit of the Russian army and the way he is brought up. No wonder Kuprin said: “I would like the past, which is gone forever, our schools, our cadets, our life, customs, traditions remain at least on paper and not disappear not only from the world, but even from the memory of people.” Juncker "This is my testament to the Russian youth." Zampolits, Serdyukovs, etc., leave, come, repaint, but the Russian army remains.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 26 January 2014 20: 48
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      Quote: Stinger
      But since it was a question of patriotism and cosmopolitanism, for example, Russian writers of the classics most influenced me.

      "We will leave mercy to the enemy and class solidarity until better times. This is a war, Vanya, a brutal war of two powers for mutual extermination. Either we - or they, there is no third, and we did not start it. They came to our Russian forest to kill us and I will kill them as best I can, without pity and mercy. I am not an executioner, not a mercenary, I do not engage in robbery, I do not take revenge and I do not take personal scores. I, Vanya, protect my Fatherland, I am a soldier of the Red Army ... "

      What else can I add? We are not starting a war, we only have one philosophy to defend the Fatherland, as we can.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 26 January 2014 20: 33
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    In a marching manner, the shelves closed
    The armor sparkles in the sun
    Under the banner, the heroes of the song went
    And the horses play under them.

    Ancestors went to fight for their land,
    Behind the women did not hide their backs,
    Stand for my native land to death
    Our duty, men.

    Do not be reckless brave fighters,
    What went out into the battle against hordes,
    And there would be no grandfathers with us and fathers,
    And we would have given birth to slaves.
  • jjj
    jjj 26 January 2014 21: 43
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    Mossad, and how Tsypa is doing there. Something has been heard about her for a long time
  • RUSLAN454
    RUSLAN454 27 January 2014 00: 18
    +1
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: RUSLAN454
    Unfortunately, the current government is trying to hamper people that they are defending or will defend precisely their homeland, although in reality in the event of war everything will be easier - we will be forced to protect oil, gas, coal,

    Hmm ... how old are you?
    I do not insult, but you, in my opinion, have a little confused some concepts.

    I have one story: "Duva" ...
    It is not for publication, I will quote a piece of it, I hope the moderators will not cut it out:

    ...
    - Pi.dets full, the fighter in his eyes falls asleep, where are you going? Understood ... Companions in the department, take the "body", yes, wait a minute ... why are you roaring with slimy drops? Which homeland? Where did she send you?
    He took with his two hands the face of a tired conscript soldier, shook his spine to the liver and yelled into the very throat of the depth of his eyes:
    “The Government sent you to the war, not the Homeland — okay?”
    - What is the homeland? This is MOTHER, which they protect without thinking - okay?
    - WE HAVE PROTECTED FOR YOURSELF THAT TO SURVIVE - UNDERSTANDING?!?!?!
    Fucking puppy does not know that the Motherland doesn’t need anything except his Life ... Oh, oh, bf, philosophy has gone ... Fuck philosophy.
    ...


    The government sends it to war, but we defend the homeland.
    This is an old truth known to all servants.
    So it was, it is, and it will be so at all times and in any country.

    Anyone who questions this when defending their own country loses or dies. And all sorts of worms (such as oil or oligarchs) always troubled their heads at all times, but priority of various values ​​protection of the homeland - paramount value.

    After all, you know that Stalin was an ascetic in life, he didn’t find much after death (murder), although he could have everything that his heart desires, but no, he was busy and was busy creating the greatest state of the XNUMXth century. Here he is the leader, he was the same as any of the people: modestly dressed, didn’t speak beautiful and pathos, he just took and did the job, he and the people endured the hardships of time, then you could safely go into battle, knowing that the country is in the hands of people who want not only to live well taking advantage of the place (as they are now), but those whose goal was to improve their country in every way, in science, industry, socially, etc. .. Here again, when people ideological in power (unless it is an idea to steal the dough and live more beautifully in this world) there is a return from the people and patriotism begins to roll over!
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 27 January 2014 01: 08
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      Quote: RUSLAN454
      After all, you know that Stalin was an ascetic in life, he didn’t find much after death (murder), although he could have everything that his heart desires, but no, he was busy and was busy creating the greatest state of the 20th century.

      Slightly missed the minutes in the comments ...
      I wrote a little higher almost what you wrote, although I wrote it myself.
      Thoughts coincided, it happens.
      good
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