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One of the new Su-35С

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A high-quality photo of one of the Su-12С serial fighters (onboard number "35 red"), built on account of the 08 program of the year at the Y.A. Aviation Plant, appeared on the Russianplanes.net web site. Gagarin (Komsomolsk-on-Amur branch of "Company" Sukhoi ").


These 12 new Su-35Ss (with tail numbers, presumably from 01 red to 12 red) were built under a contract of August 2009 with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the supply of 48 Su-35S fighters and should be the first Su-35S, which will go to the combat unit of the Air Force and Air Defense of Russia - to the reconstructed 23rd fighter aviation regiment of the 303rd mixed aviation divisions of the 3rd command of the Air Force and Air Defense of Russia at the Dzemgi airfield (Khabarovsk Territory). As already reported, due to problems encountered in the ongoing State joint tests of the Su-35S and the need to make modifications to the aircraft under construction, a batch of these 12 Su-35Ss built in the 2013 program will be accepted by the Russian Ministry of Defense no earlier than February 2014 of the year.


Su-35C fighter (tail number "08 red") built 2013 of the year. Komsomolsk-on-Amur / Dzemgi, January 2014 of the year (c) Vadim / White / russianplanes.net
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  1. St Petrov
    St Petrov 24 January 2014 13: 15
    +20
    The main thing is that the process has begun.
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 24 January 2014 13: 34
      -72%
      One of the new Su-35С
      Russia's only aircraft carrier heading east of the Mediterranean Sea
      Another great news: .... also in service with the 23rd Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 303rd Mixed Aviation Division of the 3rd Command of the Air Force and Air Defense of Russia 35 pairs of sound boots, urrrrrrra, comrades, have arrived today!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 13: 58
        +45
        Quote: strannik595
        also the armament of the 23rd fighter aviation regiment of the 303rd mixed aviation division of the 3rd command of the Air Force and Air Defense of Russia today received 35 pairs of solid boots,

        Where did you get the info is top secret wassat
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 24 January 2014 14: 09
          -15%
          Where did you get the info
          communications solve everything .... wink
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 14: 25
            +17
            Quote: strannik595
            communications solve everything ..

            Judging by the minuses that shove you, the people did not understand the jokes laughing
            1. strannik595
              strannik595 24 January 2014 14: 50
              +29
              Judging by the minuses, the people did not understand the joke
              let them make fun, I’m not touchy, sometimes people also need to let off steam on some scapegoatlaughing
            2. Voronbit
              Voronbit 25 January 2014 08: 31
              +4
              Alexander, judging by the minuses, the people are not joking, unlike the captain’s
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        2. sashka
          sashka 24 January 2014 17: 00
          +2
          Negro with a cigar who "worries" about Russia. Great advertising. What kind of tobacco do you use? Not the one that Obama advises? Shoulder straps don't matter. Honor must be HAVE.
          1. sashka
            sashka 24 January 2014 18: 04
            +2
            Quote: Sasha
            Honor must have.

            I think the Word of Honor. It lives by itself, by itself. Either it exists or not. There are always two options. And a Negro talking about Russia. Generally nonsense. However, "Marshal". That's all the "insides" of this site .. Slogans, more slogans .. And then you look "fly" and even go. However, Avtovaz is cutting 7.5 thousand workers. This is indeed a wonderful policy. Negro smoking marijuana, you must agree that in the Land of something and someone's brains have gone to one side ...
          2. strannik595
            strannik595 24 January 2014 19: 14
            +5
            Negro with a cigar ... What kind of tobacco do you use .... You must HAVE honor .... Negro talking about Russia. Generally nonsense. However, "Marshal". This is all the "insides" of this site
            Well, you too, judging by the avatar, not a fan of a healthy lifestyle ..... Romanov, in my opinion, wanted to express contempt for the American currency with his avatar (the Fed prints dollars, and cigars are twisted on Freedom Island, the children of Fidel and Che soldier ) without asking lawyers, as I understand it ..... the funny thing is that one smoker ran into another with notations about smoking ..... you didn’t put cons
            1. Nick
              Nick 24 January 2014 22: 47
              +2
              Quote: strannik595
              ..the funniest thing is that one smoker ran over another with smoking notations

              He sees a mote in a stranger’s eye, he won’t see in his log ... wink
        3. alleksSalut4507
          alleksSalut4507 24 January 2014 23: 33
          0
          someone did not wash their boots for a long time and to celebrate ....
      2. evgenii67
        evgenii67 24 January 2014 14: 30
        +3
        Quote: strannik595
        35 pairs of solid boots

        not 35 pairs, 69 boots (one will not get one, or one in stock)"Data 12 new Su-35S (with side numbers, presumably, from "01 red" to "12 red") were built under a contract dated August 2009 with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the supply 48 fighters Su-35S and should become the first Su-35S " The production of this aircraft is going according to plans; this is not for you once a year.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 14: 58
          +15
          Quote: evgenii67
          not 35 pairs, 69 boots (one will not get one, or one in stock)

          One boot went to rollback laughing
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 24 January 2014 19: 41
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            One boot went to rollback

            Better 3% went to rollback laughing
      3. avg
        avg 24 January 2014 14: 53
        -7
        Quote: strannik595
        One of the new Su-35С
        Russia's only aircraft carrier heading east of the Mediterranean Sea

        So besides the Americans and our "One", there is no one else in the world who have aircraft carriers. request
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 24 January 2014 19: 28
          +7
          So besides the Americans and our "One", there is no one else in the world who have aircraft carriers.
          One line drowned "Charles de Gaulle" and "Queen_Elizabeth" at the same time ..... strong shot
          1. Vasek
            Vasek 24 January 2014 21: 39
            +1
            Quote: strannik595
            One line drowned "Charles de Gaulle" and "Queen_Elizabeth" at the same time ..... strong shot

            But what about Vicra Maditya? fellow
            1. avg
              avg 24 January 2014 22: 54
              0
              Quote: Vasek
              But what about Vicra Maditya?

              Not yet adopted.
          2. avg
            avg 24 January 2014 22: 50
            0
            Quote: strannik595
            One line drowned "Charles de Gaulle" and "Queen_Elizabeth" at the same time ..... strong shot

            And when was the last time they went camping?
      4. Victor-M
        Victor-M 24 January 2014 19: 34
        +6
        Quote: strannik595
        Another great news: .... also in service with the 23rd Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 303rd Mixed Aviation Division of the 3rd Command of the Air Force and Air Defense of Russia 35 pairs of sound boots, urrrrrrra, comrades, have arrived today!

        For some, the presence of a Russian boot is more terrible than American drones.
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 24 January 2014 19: 48
          +3
          For some, the presence of a Russian boot is more terrible than American drones.
          to point
        2. Voronbit
          Voronbit 25 January 2014 08: 36
          +1
          chemical weapons we destroy
      5. Andrey Ulyanovsky
        Andrey Ulyanovsky 24 January 2014 20: 54
        0
        Even Zhirik didn’t go that far - he was in the Indian Ocean, and you are already offering to wash in the Mediterranean!
      6. iSpoiler
        iSpoiler 25 January 2014 16: 03
        0
        I served in such an urgent period, with normal boots with foot cloths, the main thing is to immediately make amends for them, and there is no demolition for them ..
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 24 January 2014 13: 52
      +14
      When for decades the army did not see new technology, and these single instances as a balm for the soul ...
      1. Manager
        Manager 24 January 2014 14: 23
        +22
        ShturmKGB
        When for decades the army did not see new technology, and these single instances as a balm for the soul ...

        Well, yes, but you can look at it differently. I Here's an example on this resource for about 2 years. And all the two years that I have been here, every day (almost every) there is news that a new helicopter or 2 planes have arrived, etc. All 2 years, users write that the ice has broken .........
        But still, how do we feel about such an infe? Rejoice for the fact that even 1mu, 2 but every day something comes in, or cry for the fact that for the second time in a row the ice is still only moving? I am an optimist. But I want more.
        1. Su24
          Su24 24 January 2014 20: 58
          +3
          Quote: Manager
          ShturmKGB
          When for decades the army did not see new technology, and these single instances as a balm for the soul ...

          Well, yes, but you can look at it differently. I Here's an example on this resource for about 2 years. And all the two years that I have been here, every day (almost every) there is news that a new helicopter or 2 planes have arrived, etc. All 2 years, users write that the ice has broken .........
          But still, how do we feel about such an infe? Rejoice for the fact that even 1mu, 2 but every day something comes in, or cry for the fact that for the second time in a row the ice is still only moving? I am an optimist. But I want more.


          But I don’t understand what - why so few people can carefully read a couple of paragraphs of the text. 12 aircraft. 12 is more than 2. Or do you think it is less?

          I am generally surprised at how much people are immersed in their "dreams". Often, the comments under the article are not even related to the text.
          1. Vasek
            Vasek 24 January 2014 21: 43
            +1
            But comments on comments - this is normal human communication.
            Exchange of views, so to speak. laughing
    3. Fofan
      Fofan 24 January 2014 15: 02
      +2
      Quote: c-Petrov
      The main thing is that the process has begun.

      how it goes and leaves.
      defense spending in 2013 - 17% of the budget.
      the federal budget is half filled at the expense of resources exported, i.e. with all desire, we will not have more than five hundred new aircraft in the next ten years.
      Compare with the 3000 planned f-35.
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      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 24 January 2014 16: 47
        +1
        I hope they f-35 will do even more. still let them resume the production of f-117. So we will win. Amen
        1. Fofan
          Fofan 24 January 2014 17: 29
          +7
          Quote: c-Petrov
          I hope they f-35 will do even more. still let them resume the production of f-117. So we will win. Amen

          except amen can’t invent anything?
          their combat aircraft earn loot. How many assets of "terrorist" Gaddafi received Europe? quite enough to recoup all purchases of the eurofighter.
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            1. Fofan
              Fofan 24 January 2014 17: 49
              +2
              Quote: c-Petrov
              Yes, it’s not about airplanes. this is the handwriting of the Anglo-Saxons. If it were necessary, they would have thrown a vigorous loaf at him. English and American politicians leave conscience and honor behind the doors of their office

              yes, it's not about airplanes. the fact is that while local dreamers in dreams dream of the mighty and great Russian air forces, they do not remember how much money it is being built on. they don’t care that there is not even money for what is needed, and there’s simply nowhere to get extra money from.
              but dreams of thousands of T-50s, dozens of aircraft carriers and the most modern Russian army.
              1. shuhartred
                shuhartred 24 January 2014 18: 02
                +2
                Quote: Fofan
                Quote: c-Petrov
                Yes, it’s not about airplanes. this is the handwriting of the Anglo-Saxons. If it were necessary, they would have thrown a vigorous loaf at him. English and American politicians leave conscience and honor behind the doors of their office

                yes, it's not about airplanes. the fact is that while local dreamers in dreams dream of the mighty and great Russian air forces, they do not remember how much money it is being built on. they don’t care that there is not even money for what is needed, and there’s simply nowhere to get extra money from.
                but dreams of thousands of T-50s, dozens of aircraft carriers and the most modern Russian army.

                Well, go and drown with grief with a cry EVERYTHING DID !!!!
              2. Yuri Sev Caucasus
                Yuri Sev Caucasus 24 January 2014 19: 50
                +1
                you can’t argue with you =) but really want to dream about former power
              3. Voronbit
                Voronbit 25 January 2014 08: 41
                0
                so the police in the occupied territories thought
          2. St Petrov
            St Petrov 24 January 2014 17: 43
            +1
            Yes, it’s not about airplanes. this is the handwriting of the Anglo-Saxons. If it were necessary, they would have thrown a vigorous loaf at him. English and American politicians leave conscience and honor behind the doors of their office
      3. shuhartred
        shuhartred 24 January 2014 17: 59
        0
        Quote: Fofan
        Quote: c-Petrov
        The main thing is that the process has begun.

        how it goes and leaves.
        defense spending in 2013 - 17% of the budget.
        the federal budget is half filled at the expense of resources exported, i.e. with all desire, we will not have more than five hundred new aircraft in the next ten years.
        Compare with the 3000 planned f-35.

        Everything is lost?
        1. Fofan
          Fofan 24 January 2014 18: 13
          +4
          Quote: shuhartred

          Everything is lost?
          if tomorrow they find a way to get around the syas, then yes. and none of your shouts "we will break them" will not help.
      4. bif
        bif 25 January 2014 13: 50
        0
        Quote: Fofan
        compare with xnumx planned f-xnumx

        f-22 was also PLANNED to buy thousands of thousands, as a result, 187 were made, and combat-ready - 0. For me, let them cure "childhood diseases on 4-6 prototypes for a couple of years and do several dozen a year, but combat-ready, the appearance of which in the air automatically introduces "unmanned zone".
        1. clidon
          clidon 25 January 2014 13: 58
          +1
          These "sky-ready" fighters have just pissed off the Chinese:
          The U.S. Air Force decided to deploy a group of 12 F-22 Raptor stealth fighters and 300 service personnel to put pressure on China in mid-January at Kaden’s base (Okinawa, Japan), mil.news.sins.com.cn reports January 16.
          Major General Yin Zhuo, in an interview with CCTV, said the action was aimed at exerting military pressure on China on the disputed Diaoyu Islands of Japan.
          1. bif
            bif 25 January 2014 15: 26
            0
            Quote: clidon
            The U.S. Air Force decided to deploy in mid-January a group of 12 stealth fighters F-22 Raptor and 300 service personnel to put pressure on China at the Kaden base (Okinawa, Japan),
            Major General Yin Zhuo in an interview with CCTV said that this campaign aims to put military pressure on China

            1. "Made a decision" - so far only WORDS.
            2. Do not confuse "combat use" and politics.
            3. Name at least one case of combat use or at least participation in international exerciseswhere f-22 participated and showed what he can.
            1. clidon
              clidon 25 January 2014 15: 38
              0
              - Why words? F-22s have already flown to Japan before, they are on duty in Alaska. Apparently the Chinese are not aware that they are completely sky-ready.
              - That is, harmless planes can somehow influence politics?
              - Yes, at least http://aviations.ru/2012/06/18/amerikanskie-f-22-otrabotali-protivodejstvie-ross
              ijskim-istrebitelyam /
              For military use, over the past 10 years we have had conflicts where would a plane be needed to gain air superiority?
        2. eagle11
          eagle11 25 January 2014 14: 55
          +1
          If our Su-30SM were as efficient as the F-22, they would not have a price.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 26 January 2014 15: 23
            0
            Quote: eagle11
            If our Su-30SM were as efficient as the F-22, they would not have a price.


            And why is our Su-30SM so bad? Its combat radius is greater than that of the Raptor. In addition, the aircraft is equipped with UHT and PGO, which means that the F-22 is better not to go into close combat. Since if the drying goes into the tail , then the "Raptor" is already dead. Speaking of battles at medium and long range, here the F-22 is already much stronger than Sushka, and Miga, and Mirages, and Eurofighter.
            1. eagle11
              eagle11 26 January 2014 15: 30
              0
              Read the text "UNABLE" At the moment, this cannot be said about the Su-30cm.
    4. AVV
      AVV 24 January 2014 15: 55
      +4
      Great car, she still shows herself !!!
  2. svp67
    svp67 24 January 2014 13: 15
    +9
    Handsome !!! good A long and successful life and many hours in the sky ...
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 24 January 2014 13: 25
      +40
      Beautiful bird! good So that the number of his take-offs corresponds to the number of landings, and all his enemies look like this:

      or so ...
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 24 January 2014 14: 45
        +9
        Quote: Novel 1977
        Beautiful bird! good So that the number of his take-offs corresponds to the number of landings, and all his enemies look like this:


        I support! F-15 is good only when shot down am For your photos I put you +
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 24 January 2014 15: 35
          +2
          Quote: supertiger21
          I support! F-15 is good only when shot down ...

          Total business ... have time to bring down at least one before they are written off completely ... lol
          1. Roman 1977
            Roman 1977 24 January 2014 16: 14
            +5
            Well, where do we go to the ratio of losses in Korea, where 10 MiG-15s for one shot down Saber, and 1 in 15 in Vietnam, and during the "Desert Storm" not a single plane was shot down in an air battle. ... the ratio is 0 to 31, and one "Abrams" is steeper than 10 T-90s, and so on. etc.
            However, Israel surpassed the United States, modestly admitting the loss of all ONE of its aircraft in Lebanon in the 1982 year, and even the talk they say fell itself, from contempt for the Arabs, after the downing of as many as 81 (EIGHTY ONE) Syrian.
            Nevertheless, the same F-15E "Strike Eagle": in air battles with enemy fighters, fortunately for myself, did not meet, nevertheless lost:
            Operation Desert Storm:
            17 January 1991 - shot down southwest of Basra at low altitude. Both crew members died.
            19 January 1991 - the S-75 air defense missile system was shot down over western Iraq during a night flight to search for Scud operational-tactical missile systems. Both crew members were captured.
            2003 Iraq War:
            7 April 2003 - knocked down from the ground in the Tikrit region. Both crew members died.
            Operation Dawn of the Odyssey:
            22 March 2011 year - crashed for non-military reasons in 40 km from the city of Benghazi (officially). The crew is saved.
            True, with time, interesting details emerge: The same Americans still claim that they did not lose a single aircraft during the "Desert Storm" in aerial combat, although they OFFICIALLY admitted the fact that the Iraqi MiG-25PD F / A-18C was shot down by the pilot Michael Specher from the 81st Fighter and Bomber Squadron (VFA-81) of the aircraft carrier "Saratoga" on the night of January 16-17, 1991. And this is taking into account the fact that the air battle took place over Iraqi territory. This is an advertisement for which the Americans and Israelis are masters ...
            Well, they recognized it, they recognized it, they didn’t talk about it, and they only recognized it when in 1995, independent experts found a downed plane and examined its wreckage. Initially, it was announced that the cause of the loss was an anti-aircraft missile, but after the war, independent experts found the wreckage and concluded that the F / A-18 was shot down by the P-40 air-to-air missile launched by the Iraqi MiG-25 fighter.
            However, there is information about other coalition aircraft shot down in the 1991 year, but not officially confirmed by it:
            Downed plane Than downed
            F / A-18 MiG-25 (probably P-40)
            F-16 MiG-23 (P-23)
            Tornado.GR1 MiG-29 pair
            Tornado.GR1 MiG-23 pair
            EF-111A probably MiG-29
            http://forums.airbase.ru/2000/06/t6220--boevoe-primenenie-irak-1991.160.html


            MiG-25 Iraqi Air Force
            1. Voronbit
              Voronbit 25 January 2014 09: 15
              0
              thanks for the interesting information, I won’t seriously question it without a tornado shot down by a pair of 29xs, and the tornadoes flew alone? and at the expense of abrams and t-90 do you know tth and armament? r-40 in 1991 versions? .... in Iraq t-90 wasn’t
              1. Voronbit
                Voronbit 25 January 2014 09: 23
                0
                MIG-25 is the best aircraft of YOUR TIME-unequivocal conclusion of all experts
                1. supertiger21
                  supertiger21 25 January 2014 12: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Voronbit
                  MIG-25 is the best aircraft of YOUR TIME-unequivocal conclusion of all experts


                  The MiG-25 is a unique aircraft, but better fighters appeared at that time. But in terms of interceptor, it is really the best and had no analogues. It is no coincidence that the F-15 glider resembles the shape of the MiG-25.
                2. clidon
                  clidon 25 January 2014 13: 59
                  +1
                  All it specifically what? A highly specialized machine designed to intercept US supersonic bombers that never entered service.
            2. rolik
              rolik 25 January 2014 16: 01
              0
              Quote: Novel 1977
              The same Americans still claim that they did not lose a single aircraft during the "Desert Storm" in aerial combat, although they OFFICIALLY admitted the fact that the Iraqi MiG-25PD F / A-18C was shot down by the Iraqi MiG-81PD F / A-81C pilot Michael Specher from the XNUMXst Fighter-Bomber squadron (VFA-XNUMX)

              No one knew .... but he is Batman))) Man-plane))))
          2. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 24 January 2014 16: 44
            +13
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Total business ... have time to bring down at least one before they are written off completely ... lol[/ Center]


            Well, you're wrong F-15 shot down. You specifically the loss of Israeli or American?

            I indicate only losses on planes and do not indicate losses on helicopters, UAVs and cruise missiles.

            "Lebanese War 1982"
            Aircraft
            A-4 2
            F-4 5
            Kfir 1
            F-15 5 !!!
            F-16 6 !!!
            xx - 6 (model not specified)
            Total 25

            "Desert Storm 1991" (including the previous Operation Desert Shield)

            Aircraft
            Tornado 9
            F-15E 3 !!!
            F-16 10 !!!
            A-10 6
            AV-8B 6
            A-6 4
            F / A-18 3
            OV-10 2
            A-4 1
            AC-130 1
            B-52 1
            C-5 1
            F-4 / RF-4 2
            F-5 1
            F-14 1
            F-111 / EF-111 2
            Jaguar 1
            Total 54

            "Independence of Croatia (1991-1995), Bosnian War (1992-1995)"

            Aircraft
            Sea Harrier 1
            F-16C 1 !!!
            Mirage 2000 1
            MiG21BiS 3 Croatian Air Force
            Total 6

            "Allied Force" "war in Serbia 1999

            Unfortunately, the numbers have a big difference in losses. NATO approves some figures, Yugoslavia others, Russia third. Models are also not known.

            Aircraft

            Total 23

            "Iraqi Freedom" Iraq War 2003-2010

            Aircraft
            F-14 1
            F-15E 1 !!!
            F-16 5 !!!
            F / A-18 5 !!
            C-130 / MC-130 4
            A-10 1
            AV-8B 1
            S-3 1
            Tornado 1
            Total 20

            "Enduring freedom" war in Afghanistan 2001-nd

            Aircraft
            Harrier II 8
            C-130 / KC-130 / MC-130 / C.1 7
            C-12 / MS-12 3
            F-14 1
            F-15E 1 !!!
            F-16 2 !!!
            F / A-18 2 !!!
            B-1B 2
            KC-135 1
            E-2c 1
            P-3 1
            U-2 1
            U-28 1
            M-28 1
            BAe.125 1
            Mirage 2000 1
            Nimrod 1
            Rafale 1
            Tornado 1
            CV-22 1
            Total 38
            1. 0255
              0255 24 January 2014 17: 31
              +3
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              Well, you're wrong F-15 shot down. You specifically the loss of Israeli or American?

              We are waiting for the refutation of your comment from some Israeli visitors. wassat
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 24 January 2014 17: 42
              +6
              You know, I will not speak for anyone except Israel, all the same this is what interested me. During the First Lebanon War, air defense fire shot down 1 Phantom Heil Avir, one Kfir and three helicopters.
              Here at the GSPO is a translation from the Air Force website of all those who died in 1982.
              Arkadiy, is it really so difficult and difficult to translate from Hebrew the list of "carved in gold on marble" with the dates and circumstances of their death?
              Well, you get anyone, even me with my heavenly laziness.
              http://www.iafe.net/ma/PDF/KIA%20date.pdf you will reach 1982 year.
              Come on:
              17.02.1982/60/XNUMX l-t Yael Peres squadron "Overturned Sword" was killed during a night training near Mr. Yeruham. (This is p-nya Negev) UH-XNUMXA
              05.06.1982/1/XNUMX. the crew of K-new Spector Amichai and Claire Yosef, South Cobra Squadron, was killed in battle near Mr. Nabatiy in Lebanon. AH-XNUMXG
              06.06.1982. crew consisting of to-on and on-the-that honey. Services Stefan Landes and David Taurtman, aircraft technician pr-klea Herzel, l-kov of mr Shaon Eliezer and l-t Shekhtel Israel died in a battle in the Nabatiyah region in Lebanon. Squadrilia "Southern Birds" .UH-60A
              16.061982. the crew of Mr. Ben-Shmuel Uri, Lt. Mesarer Ron and aircraft mechanic St. Wilder Arie of the Southern Birds Squadron were killed in action. UH-60A
              24.07.1982. Mr. Katz Aharon of the Bat squadron was killed in the battle over the Bekaa Valley. (apparently shot down by the district SA-8) The second crew member Fugel Gil was captured. F-4E
              As you can see the list in Hebrew. Is posted on the official website of the Israeli Air Force and despite this there are no relatives of the other allegedly "dead" pilots, navigators or other crew members and for some reason they do not raise a storm of indignation in newspapers, radio and television about the neglect of the memory of their loved ones .This is in a country where journalists over the past three years toppled the president and the prime minister.

              I would like to add that in the 1973 war, the IDF lost 102 vehicles over the battlefield and 8 were declared non-serviceable. 64 pilot and navigator died, about 30 were captured, where two killed themselves in order not to give out information. None of this makes secrets. For military pilots are the elite of the nation and it is impossible to hide their death, as well as any soldier in the IDF. And iron doesn’t bother at all. War is war.
              1. shuhartred
                shuhartred 24 January 2014 18: 13
                0
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                during the 1973 war, the IDF lost 102 vehicles over the battlefield and 8 were declared non-serviceable. 64 pilot and navigator died, about 30 were captured,

                In general, to summarize: you can shoot anything and anything. Our guys in 41 on I-5 completely shot Me-109e.
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 24 January 2014 18: 22
                  +6
                  Quote: shuhartred
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  during the 1973 war, the IDF lost 102 vehicles over the battlefield and 8 were declared non-serviceable. 64 pilot and navigator died, about 30 were captured,

                  In general, to summarize: you can shoot anything and anything. Our guys in 41 on I-5 completely shot Me-109e.

                  Or whatever. According to our experts, 90% of the losses of the AOI air force were from Soviet air defense systems that were in service with the Arab armies. In air, we managed to maintain absolute superiority. At the very least, the Arab Air Force was able to inflict minimal damage to the IDF.
                  1. shuhartred
                    shuhartred 25 January 2014 14: 42
                    0
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    According to our experts, 90% of the losses of the Air Force IDF were from Soviet air defense systems, which were in service with the Arab armies. In air, we managed to maintain absolute superiority. At least the Arab Air Force was able to inflict minimal damage to the IDF.

                    Yes, I do not argue. And our air defense systems at that time were the best in the world. Now one of the best, but there is nothing wrong with that.
            3. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 24 January 2014 21: 29
              +3
              Quote: Lord of the Sith

              "Lebanese War 1982"

              Not including UAV:

              5 June 1982, 20: 00 - in the course of attacks on the Palestinian artillery positions that fired at Galilee, the Cobra helicopter was shot down.

              6 June 1982, 08: 50 - near the city of Nabatiya in central Lebanon, several Strela-2 MANPADS missiles were shot down by an A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft, reserve pilot Captain Aharon Akhiaz ejected.

              6 June 1982 g., Evening - during the departure to evacuate the wounded from the Nabatiya region with anti-aircraft fire (apparently an anti-aircraft gun), a Bell-212 helicopter was shot down.

              11 June 1982 - in the course of attacks by Syrian targets east of the village of Kefar Kuk, the helicopter "Cobra" was damaged by the fire of its tanks (crew - Nisan and Arye Louis). The pilots were evacuated by another "Cobra" (crew - Moshe Cohen and Tal Raviv).

              11 June 1982 - during the attacks of the Syrian T-62 tanks in the area between Ein Zkhalt and the Beirut-Damascus highway, the Defender helicopter was damaged by an enemy fire and made an emergency landing (from a height of 50 feet).

              13 June 1982 g. - during a photo reconnaissance flight in Lebanon, a pair of Kfir planes were fired at by a link of several SAM systems of Syndrome C-75. One of the missiles exploded behind the rear plane of the link and fuel began to leak from the wing of the aircraft. The pilot of the damaged plane went on an emergency landing at the Ramat David Air Force base.

              16 June 1982 g. - During a departure to evacuate the wounded, a Bell-212 helicopter crashed into a power line and crashed.

              24 July 1982, 16: 50 - in the search for the Syrian air defense system Osa in the Bekaa valley, the Phantom was shot down by two SAMs issued by the Square air defense system. Both crew members ejected.

              20 November 1983, 14: 30 - during the attack of the Air Force planes on terrorists' targets north of the Beirut-Damascus highway, Kfir S.2 was hit by a direct hit by an anti-aircraft projectile, piloted by squadron commander Lt. Col. Mika Lev. The plane was damaged at a distance of 15 miles from the coast and Miki tried to reach the sea. However, after the failure of all hydraulic systems, Kfir lost control and the pilot was forced to eject south Beirut.

              21 September 1985, after 14: 00 - in the pursuit of terrorists from the Amal organization north of the Security Zone, in the vicinity of the villages of Shikhin and Zabkin, a Bell-72 helicopter was hit on the ground by a shot from the M212 LAW grenade launcher.

              16 October 1986, 16: 40 - during the Phantoms attack of the 69 Squadron (Hammers) on terrorist targets in the Sayda area, one of the planes crashed - the bombs dropped by it exploded in the air, in the immediate vicinity of the aircraft , due to a malfunction of the fuse of one of the bombs.

              Well, that's all ... request
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 24 January 2014 23: 32
                +2
                83 / 85 / 86 is no longer the Lebanese War.
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 25 January 2014 01: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  83 / 85 / 86 is no longer the Lebanese War.

                  That would not complain that little wassat
            4. Voronbit
              Voronbit 25 January 2014 09: 26
              +1
              one mission name is laughable IF it weren’t so sad
          3. supertiger21
            supertiger21 24 January 2014 16: 56
            +1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Total business ... have time to bring down at least one before they are written off completely ... lol


            Already managed to bring down! wassat Well, if the Americans believe that they did not have time to shoot down, then the F-15 will be in service at least until 2040. There is still time am
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        2. eagle11
          eagle11 25 January 2014 15: 02
          0
          Yes, the F-15 is such a "bad" plane! It was not for nothing that in the 70s, when combatant military fighter pilots were asked: "How should a new Soviet fighter look like?" answered: "Like the F-15"
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 25 January 2014 21: 32
            0
            Quote: eagle11
            Yes, the F-15 is such a "bad" plane! It was not for nothing that in the 70s, when combatant military fighter pilots were asked: "How should a new Soviet fighter look like?" answered: "Like the F-15"


            The fact that the plane is bad, I did not say! In the 1970s, the F-15 had no analogues and was rightfully the best in the world. However, I do not understand how the Western media brazenly claim ... "I have never been shot down by an enemy aircraft"))) ,what does it mean? fool Persistent allegations that 104 air victories were won, without a single loss no more than PR negative Score 104: 9 I think it will be a little more correct.
            1. eagle11
              eagle11 26 January 2014 15: 33
              0
              If we talk about the F-15E, then it really did not shoot down. But he is a drummer, imprisoned under the ground.
      2. 0255
        0255 24 January 2014 14: 52
        +3
        people, and where was this F-15 photographed? And what does the US Air Force say about this? After all, according to official American lies, not a single F-15 was shot down and no one showed its debris.
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 24 January 2014 14: 57
          +11
          This F-15E "Strike Eagle" (serial number 91-0304, 492nd Fighter Squadron, 48th Fighter Wing, 3rd US Air Force Air Force) crashed for a "non-combat" reason 40 km from the city of Benghazi (by American version) during the NATO aggression in Libya. Unfortunately, the crew was saved.
          Here are some more pictures:



          In the last photo on the right wing, traces of hits of large-caliber bullets or shells are clearly visible
          1. eagle11
            eagle11 25 January 2014 15: 07
            +1
            This is where they are visible? The usual burnt wing ...
        2. patsantre
          patsantre 24 January 2014 14: 58
          0
          And who said that this is a combat loss?
          1. 0255
            0255 24 January 2014 15: 56
            +4
            Quote: Novel 1977
            This F-15E "Strike Eagle" (serial number 91-0304, 492nd Fighter Squadron, 48th Fighter Wing, 3rd Air Force USAF) crashed for a "non-combat" reason

            naturally on non-combat laughing In general, it would be interesting to know the statistics of non-combat losses of American aircraft during their small victorious wars.
            all the more so as an F-22 Raptor or a Su-30 or J-10 of the Chinese Air Force may have been shot down over China.
            http://newsmilitary.narod.ru/MP-J10F22.html
            Quote: Novel 1977
            The crew, unfortunately, is saved.

            sorry that his pilots were not caught by the angry Libyans recourse
            Quote: patsantre
            And who said that this is a combat loss?

            if the Americans say that this F-15E fell by itself, this does not mean that it really fell by itself bully
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 24 January 2014 16: 33
              +2
              In 1991, about the F / A-18 lost in Iraq, the Americans, too, at first impudently repeated “not a combat loss.” But in 1995, the wreckage of the plane was found and examined. Experts said that Hornet was destroyed by an R-40 missile launched from an Iraqi MiG-25.
            2. Vasek
              Vasek 24 January 2014 22: 12
              +1
              crashed for a "non-combat" reason

              And the reason is the same "non-combat" as the official "non-participation" of the United States in the raids on Libya.
            3. patsantre
              patsantre 26 January 2014 11: 53
              0
              So let’s facts, facts proving that he didn’t fall himself) otherwise it’s just water)
          2. supertiger21
            supertiger21 24 January 2014 16: 26
            +2
            Quote: patsantre
            And who said that this is a combat loss?


            As I understand you. Especially as I understand amers who lie to themselves and the rest of the world, saying that the loss is "not combat."
            1. eagle11
              eagle11 25 January 2014 15: 08
              0
              There is confidence that the Russian Federation always tells the truth?
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 25 January 2014 21: 40
                0
                What are you talking about? If you want to give a similar case, when the Russian media were talking about propaganda about "never shot down in battle", then bring it. With pleasure I will find a response argument to it!
                1. eagle11
                  eagle11 26 January 2014 15: 36
                  -2
                  Of course, as you say, when lezginka monkeys on wings dance on all channels. But about the number of lost cars, always welcome!
          3. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 24 January 2014 16: 48
            +6
            Quote: patsantre
            And who said that this is a combat loss?

            I have always been able to count losses in NATO countries. If a tank in a mine is blown up, it’s not a fighting war, a combat loss is when the tank is against the tank. If the tank handed back and crushed two soldiers, they, too, do not rush as combat. If they sold poisoned bread and seven people died from poisoning, this is also considered non-combat loss. In 2008, 138 marines shot themselves dead on the territory of Iraq and didn’t calculate how military losses either.

            Or maybe all the same if in the USA the plane crashed during the exercises it’s not combat, but if in the territory of a belligerent country we’ll still bring it into combat?
            1. 0255
              0255 24 January 2014 17: 13
              +3
              Or maybe all the same if in the USA the plane crashed during the exercises it’s not combat, but if in the territory of a belligerent country we’ll still bring it into combat?

              in Yugoslavia, Americans also lost a certain number of planes in training flights.
              Many F-86 Sabers shot down from the MiG-15 in Korea are still listed as non-combat losses. I think the downed American planes in Vietnam are also listed as non-combat losses.
            2. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 25 January 2014 10: 20
              0
              So everything is simple, if the enemy killed or destroyed the military ones.
              However, no one considers wounded soldiers and damaged equipment for destroyed enemies?
              Also, if a grenade explodes during training, this does not mean that the enemy killed him and so on.
  3. alex56
    alex56 24 January 2014 13: 21
    +2
    Alas, I somehow missed ((What kind of problem has surfaced, no one will tell?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 24 January 2014 13: 25
      +4
      even when a new model of a toy truck is made at the toy factory, it is imperative to re-drive. Edit Drawings. Bring to mind the model.

      And here is such a technique. With so many different components, mechanisms and electronics
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 24 January 2014 13: 43
        +15
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        even when a new model of a toy truck is made at the toy factory, it is imperative to re-drive. Edit Drawings. Bring to mind the model.


        I was presented with an assembly kit for assembling a full-fledged Typhoon (Shark) submarine model on a 1/100 scale, I even have a real diving system. So I collected a lot of sweat and spilled time. what
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 13: 59
          +14
          Quote: Ascetic

          I was presented with an assembly kit for assembling a full-fledged Typhoon (Shark) submarine model on a scale of 1/100, even there is a real diving system.

          Stanislav, show Russian ingenuity and collect life-size laughing
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 24 January 2014 15: 23
            +5
            Stanislav, show Russian ingenuity and collect life-size

            Then the Yankees will be completely crazy, show compassion. To the vodka, bear and balalaika will be added another personal nuclear submarine for each rugged man. They already think that anyone with us can assemble an atomic reactor in a barn. Only uranium-235 is difficult to obtain.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 24 January 2014 15: 30
              +23
              Quote: Wedmak
              They already think that anyone with us can assemble an atomic reactor in a barn. Only uranium-235 is difficult to obtain.

              Denis, hi ! You are wrong, almost every second farm has "centrifuges" for enrichment laughing:
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 24 January 2014 15: 43
                +6
                Well, I don’t know, I only received U-239. And then pervom, then the slag goes. wassat
              2. igor67
                igor67 24 January 2014 16: 24
                +10
                Quote: Tersky
                Quote: Wedmak
                They already think that anyone with us can assemble an atomic reactor in a barn. Only uranium-235 is difficult to obtain.

                Denis, hi ! You are wrong, almost every second farm has "centrifuges" for enrichment laughing:

                Vitya, here’s a chemical weapon
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 24 January 2014 21: 09
                  +4
                  Quote: igor67
                  Vitya, here’s a chemical weapon

                  Igor, hi ! With this more careful, they may be suspected of terrorism, laughing !
              3. jjj
                jjj 25 January 2014 03: 44
                0
                What raw materials do you load and what is the degree of purification?
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          2. Tersky
            Tersky 24 January 2014 15: 32
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Stanislav, show Russian ingenuity and collect life-size

            Do not take "bread" from the military-industrial complex, laughing !
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 24 January 2014 17: 12
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Stanislav, show Russian ingenuity and collect life-size


            I already got the model 1m70cm in length. The peasants all persuade her to test her "survivability" in the lake. I don’t, because such tests do not end well, especially since such ideas usually appear after the third glass. Otherwise, people will misunderstand terrorists with a torpedo.
          4. screw cutter
            screw cutter 24 January 2014 19: 28
            +2
            Russian ingenuity consists in the ability, at the very end, to properly process a file.
        2. Cherdak
          Cherdak 24 January 2014 14: 14
          +12
          Quote: Ascetic
          assembly kit for assembly


          That's enough for the whole year
          1. ty60
            ty60 24 January 2014 14: 40
            +1
            And if you still teach to fly, for a year more
            1. 0255
              0255 24 January 2014 17: 26
              +10
              Quote: ty60
              And if you still teach to fly, for a year more

              someone writes about airplane models in the comments, and someone collects them and really teaches them how to fly good

              I apologize that the video is not related to the topic of the Su-35 laughing
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 24 January 2014 17: 31
                +5
                M ... the glider was made with a bang, but in general it is not impressive.
                I will support offtopic)) Mi-24.
                1. screw cutter
                  screw cutter 24 January 2014 19: 34
                  -6
                  Everything is beautiful, colorful, letters, and two blades. Not an offset.
                2. 0255
                  0255 24 January 2014 22: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  M ... the glider was made with a bang, but in general it is not impressive.


                  How does this An-225 not impress you? !!! Everyone is impressive, but you are not))) Although, of course, there are so many people, so many opinions.
                  As for me, this 18-kilogram foam "Mriya" is a masterpiece good
                3. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 25 January 2014 11: 07
                  0
                  Good day to all! This is a miracle when he flew back, and after leaning forward he went, he thought now and he would shoot! Well, the question is: HOW and WHY? Are we behind in the development of UAVs? (and it’s hard to put a toy plane)
              2. Hug
                Hug 24 January 2014 18: 48
                +12
                Re .:
                Re.pg0255
                Someone writes about aircraft models in the comments, and someone collects them and really teaches them how to fly




                I apologize that the video is not related to the topic of the Su-35


                I also apologize for the same thing.
              3. Des10
                Des10 26 January 2014 19: 45
                +1
                thanks, great! Especially take off, almost without a take-off.
                Good luck to them!
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 24 January 2014 18: 22
            +3
            Quote: Cherdak
            That's enough for the whole year


            I’m not going to master this one. The details are very small, patience is needed, and large-scale models are expensive. I have that kind of money, alas, no.
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  4. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 24 January 2014 13: 33
    +1
    . As already reported, due to problems encountered in the ongoing State joint tests of the Su-35S and the need to make modifications to the aircraft under construction, a batch of these 12 Su-35Ss built in the 2013 program will be accepted by the Russian Ministry of Defense no earlier than February 2014 of the year. I did not understand the couple, it turns out that the 2013 exterminators will receive jambs? Or I do not understand, can anyone explain?
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 24 January 2014 14: 29
      +5
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      I didn’t understand, it turns out that the 2013 exterminators of the year will receive jambs? Or I do not understand, can anyone explain?


      Borisov also touched on the problems that arose during the tests of the Su-35C fighter. According to the Deputy Minister, the pilots consider this plane "the best in the world", and its control for the pilot is approximately the same as the control of the fifth generation T-50 fighter, therefore the Ministry of Defense considers it necessary to carefully approach the testing and overcoming childhood diseases of the aircraft. Therefore, the military department was in no hurry with the formal adoption of the next batch of 12 Su-35S produced last year under a contract with the Air Force, extending the delivery deadline by one quarter. According to Borisov, during the tests of the aircraft deficiencies with the grounding of its avionics were detected, which led to the flickering of multifunction indicators when passing thunderclouds, as well as problems with the engine. To correct these shortcomings, the Ministry of Defense insisted on additional tests of two machines, which were supposed to fly 40 hours without comment. The first of them flew off this time back in November last year, while the second had a rivet in the engine at 26 o'clock, which, according to TsAGI, was caused by a manufacturing defect, not a design defect. However, the second plane (on which, obviously, the elimination of the deficiencies identified in the propulsion system was being worked out) successfully flew 40 hours yesterday. As a result, in early February, the entire batch of Su-35s produced last year will be accepted by the Ministry of Defense, and at the ceremony, if the work schedule permits, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu personally.

      http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48&start=180
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 24 January 2014 15: 43
        +1
        Quote: Rus2012
        http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48&start=180


        Good reference. Especially the continuation of the contracts for the Su-30SM and Yak-130 for the fleets of the Kaliningrad region, in Kamchatka and in the Crimea.
        1. boom_bah
          boom_bah 24 January 2014 21: 54
          0
          About the Kaliningrad region and the Crimea it is clear, but in Kamchatka what kind of cars will they change with the sailors?
  5. iwind
    iwind 24 January 2014 13: 33
    +3
    What plus promise to start using UAB on the Su-35. What will make him more specifically capable of the market and the Russian Air Force.
    But since we have secrecy, we probably will not see a photo or video about this soon :(
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 14: 01
      +1
      Cho, you wait, you won’t wait when they start pushing him for export.
      1. iwind
        iwind 24 January 2014 14: 22
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Cho, you wait, you won’t wait when they start pushing him for export.

        Fair? Because as soon as technology begins to be promoted to foreign markets, more information becomes available. And I like to read about modernized technology in any of its manifestations.
        And then I think that we are going too far with secrecy.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 15: 01
          +2
          Quote: iwind
          Because as soon as technology begins to be promoted to foreign markets, more information becomes available. And I like to read about modernized technology in any of its manifestations.

          Well, it’s clear that in order to find out the performance characteristics you are ready to fuse any equipment over a hill. Do you work at the CIA?
          1. iwind
            iwind 24 January 2014 15: 24
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, it’s clear that in order to find out the performance characteristics you are ready to fuse any equipment over a hill. Do you work at the CIA?

            Offend to the Mossad. winked
            Well, actually, the Su-35 was created with an eye to export.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 16: 31
              +2
              Quote: iwind
              Well, actually, the Su-35 was created with an eye to export.

              Poghosyan was looking around, first to himself, and then to the Papuans.
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 24 January 2014 16: 07
          +3
          Quote: iwind
          And then I think that we are going too far with secrecy.

          You tell this to the Chinese !!! yes
          they own copy-paste better than any clipboard (ctrl + c, ctrl + v)
  6. sinukvl
    sinukvl 24 January 2014 13: 46
    +6
    Pretty boy! good
  7. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 24 January 2014 13: 48
    +2
    The main thing is not to protect the market but your borders. That's when the need will be almost completely closed, and Indians can be sold
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 24 January 2014 14: 47
      +1
      Quote: REDBLUE
      That's when the need will be almost completely closed, and Indians can be sold


      Hindus already buy PA FA.
      1. boom_bah
        boom_bah 24 January 2014 21: 55
        0
        Who are they buying from?
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 25 January 2014 10: 32
          0
          Quote: boom_bah
          Who are they buying from?


          They are going to buy by 2020. Now there is a joint Russian-Indian development of an export modification of FGFA.
  8. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 24 January 2014 13: 49
    +1
    It's nice to read like that, but the pace needs to be boosted!
  9. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 24 January 2014 13: 50
    +1
    Comrades, I have bad news: our tankers will perform in the tank biathlon 2014 at the T-72B3M. Http: //warfiles.ru/show-46808-zhelanie-prinyat-uchastie-v-sorevnovaniyah
    -po-tankovomu-biatlonu-v-alabino-vyrazili-predstaviteli-22-stran-fsvts.html But putting aside emotions, we conclude: our tank fleet is basically a T-72 and therefore a choice. Everyone understands that the t-90 will not be purchased. In short, something like this.
    1. sds555
      sds555 24 January 2014 14: 59
      +2
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Comrades, I have bad news: our tankers will perform in the tank biathlon 2014 on the T-72B3M.

      But note there was a letter added М, it remains to be hoped that our guys will play a trick with him and not have to blush with shame
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 January 2014 15: 26
        +2
        If only this letter did not correspond to the replacement of seats with leather ones and the addition of driving gloves to the tank set.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 24 January 2014 22: 16
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          If only this letter did not correspond to the replacement of seats with leather ones and the addition of driving gloves to the tank set.

          A complex units: radio and climate control? This is a major upgrade.
          But seriously, any modernization will even improve the T-55, and MiG-21, and T-90, and Su-27, but only with the interaction of the customer and designers in terms of modernization, and not cut.
      2. Vasek
        Vasek 24 January 2014 22: 31
        +1
        Quote: sds555
        But notice, the letter M was added there

        Then letter B meant a modification for biathlon? laughing
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 24 January 2014 15: 04
      +1
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Comrades, I have bad news: our tankers will perform in the tank biathlon 2014 on the T-72B3M.

      I think he will be prepared accordingly and something tells me that he will have some differences from those in the troops.
  10. Sirop
    Sirop 24 January 2014 13: 58
    +1
    So all the same, what kind of problems on the State. trials ???? Someone can answer ??
  11. Wiruz
    Wiruz 24 January 2014 14: 05
    +5
    It seems to me alone that for a country such as Russia, the 96 Su-35S until 2020 is damn small?
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 24 January 2014 14: 09
      +6
      If they will not collect MiG - 35, then yes.
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 24 January 2014 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      It seems to me alone that for a country such as Russia, the 96 Su-35S until 2020 is damn small?

      So it’s so final .. But only in 41st there was also damn little new technology, and in 45th they did not reach the Atlantic (sorry, alas ..) Russia, however .. As they say, "We slowly harness .. and then the ridges of the adversaries break ..))) laughing
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 January 2014 15: 27
        +1
        and then we break ridges of adversaries ..)))

        Yes, and something a lot lately a lot of people wished to get along the ridge. Immediately give pi..y we can’t - in line !!!!
        1. Yuri Sev Caucasus
          Yuri Sev Caucasus 24 January 2014 20: 04
          +1
          I support them, let them approach one at a time, otherwise they are accustomed to Greek .... knights of no honor !!!
    3. Tarpon
      Tarpon 24 January 2014 14: 24
      +1
      So after 2016 of the year they promise that T-50 will enter the troops.
      1. ty60
        ty60 24 January 2014 14: 44
        +1
        We will live, we will see.
      2. Bronis
        Bronis 24 January 2014 14: 51
        +5
        Quote: Tarpon
        So after 2016 of the year they promise that T-50 will enter the troops.

        They promise - yes. You just need to understand that this is more likely a political or image move. Tests, improvements, GLITs, then, probably, in Lipetsk. All this will take another 5-6. The machine will be in the full sense of battle only in the year to 20.
        The same Su-35 until 2015 will be tested. And it goes with 2007 or 8, it seems. Despite the fact that this is a deep but modernization.
        Chasing the implementation deadlines at any cost is bad for the cause. There is a Su-35 on the hedge.
        Probably, the number of Su-35 will largely depend on the dynamics of work on the PAK FA ...
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 24 January 2014 15: 28
          0
          Su-35С first flew in the 2008.
        2. leon-iv
          leon-iv 24 January 2014 15: 51
          +1
          Yes, you’re absolutely right, the same Su-27 did not take into service for a long time, and it was already in many regiments.
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    5. supertiger21
      supertiger21 24 January 2014 14: 50
      +3
      Quote: Wiruz
      It seems to me alone that for a country such as Russia, the 96 Su-35S until 2020 is damn small?


      It’s quite a normal amount. Besides, they will deliver 78 Su-30SM / M2 and 60 PAK FA.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 January 2014 14: 59
        +1
        It’s quite a normal amount. Besides, they will deliver 78 Su-30SM / M2 and 60 PAK FA.

        Well, yes, of course it’s normal (sarcasm), especially when you consider that amers only have F-16 more than a thousand, and penguins in general will have more than two thousand.
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 24 January 2014 15: 52
          +1
          Quote: supertiger21
          Indeed, besides them they will deliver 78 Su-30SM / M2

          I counted only for the Navy 110 pieces Su-30СМ.
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 24 January 2014 16: 08
            +1
            Quote: Sergh
            I counted only for the Navy 110 pieces Su-30СМ.

            It seems that while about 50 voiced. Before that, they had been talking about the squadron for the Black Sea Fleet Su-30M2 for a long time, but it was a long time ago. Or what did you miss?
          2. boom_bah
            boom_bah 24 January 2014 21: 59
            0
            Sergey, counted where?
            1. Sergh
              Sergh 25 January 2014 03: 42
              0
              Quote: boom_bah
              Sergey, counted where?

              In 2012, there were two contracts of 30 pieces each for the Navy.
              Link at the top.
        2. leon-iv
          leon-iv 24 January 2014 15: 53
          0
          Sorry moa BUT all F-16 to the approach of penguins will be wood. The first ones have already begun to write off. And yes, the Su-35S F-16 has never been an opponent of a fundamentally different level. Theoretically, out of 4+, F-15Silent needles can be compared with him.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 25 January 2014 12: 45
            0
            Quote: leon-iv
            Theoretically, out of 4+, F-15Silent needles can be compared with him.


            I’ll fix it a bit, the F-15SE Silent Eagle belongs to 4 ++. But the enemy is quite worthy, and it satisfies almost all the requirements of a fifth-generation fighter except for stealth technology (by the way, its EPR is much smaller than previous versions of the F-15).
        3. Bronis
          Bronis 24 January 2014 16: 00
          +3
          Quote: Wiruz
          Well, yes, of course it’s normal (sarcasm), especially when you consider that amers only have F-16 more than a thousand, and penguins in general will have more than two thousand.

          Alas, it is not yet possible to compare them with us. Yes, and to measure the number does not make much sense. So we will not fight.
          The quantitative composition of the Air Force should depend on the goals and objectives that are assigned to these Air Force.
          Thus, the question is not "why do we have fewer aircraft than the United States?", But "are they enough?" And this is a very interesting question ...
          More than 2000 "Penguins" - this is until 2040. They will replace the F-16, the F-18, and the "verticals" in the ILC, and also the A-10 (?). So, in quantitative terms, the US Air Force will even suffer some "losses". Which, however, is still quite reasonable. Who should they compete with?
          It would be better if they decided to buy them ten thousand and fill up the project.
        4. supertiger21
          supertiger21 24 January 2014 16: 16
          0
          Quote: Wiruz
          Well, yes, of course it’s normal (sarcasm), especially when you consider that amers only have F-16 more than a thousand, and penguins in general will have more than two thousand.


          Well firstly F-16 and F-35 is light class fighters(and therefore there are always a lot of light fighters). And secondly, the amers will have 2400 "penguins" by 2028. By this time, our orders will increase.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 24 January 2014 18: 31
            0
            With what fright did the F-35 become easy? The deck option is generally approaching the Su-27.
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 25 January 2014 13: 03
              0
              With each generation change, the weight categories "light" and "heavy" also change. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, airplanes with a normal take-off weight of up to 10 tons were called light, and heavy over 15 tons. Now the normal take-off weight of light has increased to 20, and heavy up to 30. Every year there are new ideas for the introduction of new weapons systems in a promising aircraft, which naturally increases the weight of the aircraft as a whole.
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 25 January 2014 14: 48
                0
                The F-35 is larger than the MiG-29, Typhoon and even the early F-15.
                1. supertiger21
                  supertiger21 25 January 2014 21: 51
                  0
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  The F-35 is larger than the MiG-29, Typhoon and even the early F-15.


                  All statements are not true. MiG-29, Typhoon, and F-15 are superior in length, height, and width. Only F-35 is slightly larger in weight than the first two, but not heavier than F-15.
                  If you want to argue, then give the link that it is a heavy fighter and larger than the aircraft you listed!
    6. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz 24 January 2014 14: 56
      0
      There is also Su-30 and Mig-29K, and we hope for the T-50.
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 24 January 2014 16: 04
        +2
        Quote: ilya_oz
        There is also Su-30 and Mig-29K, and we hope for the T-50.

        MiG-29K is on the fleet. In the Air Force - SMT and (possibly) MiG-35. But the epic is painfully long ...
  12. Cherdak
    Cherdak 24 January 2014 14: 10
    +6
    Have a good hunting!
  13. Arh
    Arh 24 January 2014 14: 19
    +11
    Enjoy yourself
    1. 7even
      7even 24 January 2014 14: 37
      +3
      handsome !!!!! stare straight!
      1. typhoon7
        typhoon7 24 January 2014 15: 24
        +2
        Guys, I'm here at a nearby forum about Rafal stood up for Sushki and MiG, I was not sick right there, about 500 points I was blown away. And the flags are Slavic. It turns out that the most air victories are not for MiGs, not for Sabers and Phantoms, but for Mirages, and I did not know, and the modern Su-35 and MiG-35 are not even a couple of Rafals and other Western models. I guess I missed something.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 January 2014 15: 45
          +1
          I guess I missed something.

          Precisely missed. I only heard about it on TV. Propaganda. wink
        2. evgenii67
          evgenii67 24 January 2014 16: 02
          0
          Quote: typhoon7
          I guess I missed something.

          Well, so it was necessary to ask those from the NEIGHBORING forum, but I did not hear, all this is propaganda, who pays, the one as they say ....
        3. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 24 January 2014 22: 32
          +1
          Quote: typhoon7
          Guys, I'm here at a nearby forum about Rafal stood up for Sushki and MiG, I was not sick right there, about 500 points I was blown away. And the flags are Slavic. It turns out that the most air victories are not for MiGs, not for Sabers and Phantoms, but for Mirages, and I did not know, and the modern Su-35 and MiG-35 are not even a couple of Rafals and other Western models. I guess I missed something.

          Never mind, there are many supporters on the site that "have disappeared" and they minus everyone who is suspected of being "uryaism", for ideological reasons. And about the air victories of the Mirages - this is really so, but only MIRAGE-III distinguished itself (google help) wink
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 24 January 2014 15: 02
      0
      Mmm ... blunders. The French spoke right about him on La Bourget - SO planes can’t fly, only UFOs. By the way, what kind of suspension missiles does he have? No one knows?
      1. SOKOL777
        SOKOL777 24 January 2014 15: 24
        0
        Quote: Wiruz
        By the way, what kind of suspension missiles does he have? No one knows?


        Open the picture above, read ...
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 January 2014 15: 36
        +3
        The larger one is similar to the R-27, it is difficult to determine the modification, but it seems to be with optical GN. Small on the R-73 whisk.
        Threat. It is clear that in the demonstration flight these are only mass-dimensional models.
    3. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 24 January 2014 15: 20
      +6
      Enjoy yourself

      I was at MAKS 2013. When he was flying, the announcer said that this is an unrealistic, crazy flight.
      Next to me were foreigners (Indians, Chinese, French and many others). They had no words, they squealed from what they saw.
      The video is very impressive, but in real life it was something incredible ...

      GLORY TO OUR DESIGNERS! GLORY TO OUR MAGNIFICENT PILOTS !!!

      And, here's a shame, Anatoly Kvochur and his comrades stood a little aside, but I didn’t have a piece of paper to get an autograph from him ...
    4. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 January 2014 15: 34
      0
      If only at the end, so to speak, to put an end to it, fired a rocket, smashing a target into chains, it would be gorgeous.
    5. nemo778
      nemo778 25 January 2014 01: 29
      0
      Thank you for the video!!! Formication!!! Really- THIS ..... UFO! It causes pride! I used to see in a video the flight of this bird. But! ON THIS, JUST GLITTER !!!! Thanks to all those engineers who created this miracle, technical thought! I am proud of my country !!! Oh, more to these BEAUTY in operation !!! fellow
  14. ZU-23
    ZU-23 24 January 2014 14: 47
    +1
    Already blown up click on the link when I read the headline about handsome SU-35S. Congratulations to the reconstructed 23rd Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 303rd Combined Aviation Division of the 3rd Command, and the Su-35s will be finalized unambiguously.
  15. supertiger21
    supertiger21 24 January 2014 14: 56
    +1
    Does anyone know when radars with AFAR will be installed on the Su-35 (if they will be installed at all). The Americans simply put them on their F / A-18E / F, F-16 and F-15E.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 24 January 2014 22: 44
      0
      Quote: supertiger21
      Does anyone know when radars with AFAR will be installed on the Su-35 (if they will be installed at all). The Americans simply put them on their F / A-18E / F, F-16 and F-15E.

      When they fit it to the plane, the Irbis was designed for the T-50, and the Zhuk for the MiG-35, in both cases, modularity was sacrificed for the speed of development, so a fit is needed. It takes time and a budget, and if over time there are no problems, then the entire budget is spent on the quantitative renewal of the aircraft fleet so that it is already "on the assembly line", and there is a lot to update. So it is most likely to do this last, perhaps even after the delivery of all the planned Su-34, Su-35 and T-50 to the troops.
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    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 24 January 2014 16: 22
      +1
      Quote: supertiger21
      Does anyone know when radars with AFAR will be installed on the Su-35 (if they will be installed at all)

      They will not. Now the task of the existing PFAR is to finalize and master. The AFAR will go to the T-50, and possibly the Mig-35.
      However, the difference between AFAR and PFAR is primarily in the possibilities of working on land / sea.
      For amers, fighters are more sharpened for work on the ground, plus the AFAR production technology has already been developed.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 24 January 2014 16: 41
        0
        Thank you for your reply!
        By the way, the Americans equipped AFAR with almost all of their aircraft. For some reason, we plan to equip the PAK FA only.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 24 January 2014 17: 47
          +1
          Quote: supertiger21
          By the way, the Americans equipped AFAR with almost all of their aircraft. For some reason, we plan to equip the PAK FA only.

          A complex, expensive product. We will develop the technology, we will equip it.
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 24 January 2014 16: 43
        0
        However, the difference between AFAR and PFAR is primarily in the possibilities of working on land / sea.

        Lol shield?
        plus AFAR production technology has already been developed.

        yes yes Americans ahead of the rest

        I’ll post here you are not against people on the network respected Pedestrian call
        For this, it will be necessary to infiltrate the elementary theory of radar. Detection range, ceteris paribus, is proportional to the fourth root of the potential. The potential is directly proportional to the antenna gain and the average transmitter power and vice versa to the receiver sensitivity. But this is in a no-noise environment (in modern conditions it is ridiculous to talk about it). If the electronic warfare is in action, then the UBL (the level of the side lobes) comes into play, the less the better; as well as the possibility of using automatic gearbox (auto-noise compensation).
        In addition, there is a characteristic of stealth and noise immunity. For stealth, you need a very good receiver and a very bad transmitter. For noise immunity - quite the opposite. But KU antennas in any case, the more - the better. UBL - similarly. But, with equal geometrical dimensions, the higher the QL, the worse the UBL (the maximum KU with a uniform amplitude distribution over the aperture, but at the same time there can be no question of an acceptable UBL. Chebyshev; but this is a utopia according to sustainability criteria, technological errors will devour everyone). But with a decreasing distribution, the KU falls. Therefore, it is impossible to have everything with the final dimensions of the antenna. But with an increase in size, the beam width decreases and the rate of view deteriorates. Dimensions are fixed, so you need to look for a compromise. In addition, KU and UBL directly depends on the amplitude and phase errors, the higher they are, the worse the characteristics. The power of the AFAR is determined by the radiation power of all elements, and therefore their heat release (there is no efficiency = 1). The greater the heat dissipation, the more problems with cooling, the higher the instability of the amplitude and phase distribution. Aircraft AFAR, due to the small dimensions of the fuselage and small wavelength (it is desirable to have a pitch of elements no more than half a wave, otherwise completely bad side panels climb during scanning) has a very dense packaging of modules. Increase step - reduce the scan angle. Reduce - have problems with cooling. Increase step - lose power, because the power of one element is not unlimited. VERY many compromises will have to be made. Well and the PRICE! Although for the bourgeoisie it is rather a plus
        It is necessary either thermostabilize or measure / adjust. Both methods do not produce perfect results.
        Therefore, the placement of the betraying modules in the PAR lamp at this level of technological development is considered to me not entirely justified (IMHO).
        In addition, nothing revolutionary AFAR does not. Theoretically, it is possible almost for nothing to increase the sensitivity of the receiver due to coherent summation, but this is not good from the point of view of noise protection. Everything else can be implemented in PFAR. The same multipath due to Butler matrices, etc.
        PS Amendment, wherever we are talking about UBL, we mean the absolute value of negative Zedenbal (habit, the more - the less)
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 24 January 2014 18: 06
          +1
          Quote: leon-iv
          Lol shield?

          Didn't I write clearly? Almost a plus of the AFAR before the PFAR is primarily in the work on the ground. And also in the DVB and RTR. There is no difference in the BVB.
          Quote: leon-iv
          yes yes Americans ahead of the rest

          In the production technology of AFAR? Of course, ahead. In Europe, they have just begun to equip AFAR fighters, we and the Chinese are only going to.
          It is unclear why deny the obvious facts.
          Quote: leon-iv
          I’ll post here you are not against people on the network respected Pedestrian call

          Not against. Everything is logically written. The AFAR has enough difficulties. But the technology does not stand still. The opinion of the designers of the whole world does not coincide with the opinion of the Pedestrian. The AFAR will be on all promising aircraft.
        2. Yuri Sev Caucasus
          Yuri Sev Caucasus 24 January 2014 20: 11
          +2
          thanks chewed what's what =)
  17. Xolod
    Xolod 24 January 2014 15: 05
    +4
    I like our fighters, smooth lines, contours ... like a beautiful fatal woman)
  18. Dima
    Dima 24 January 2014 15: 07
    +2
    Su-35 - a great beautiful car! At the extreme three MAKSs, he always looked forward to his aerobatics (in the 13th year he still had the T-50 and Kharchevsky on the Su-34). I would only like to believe that the flight capabilities of the Su-35th, when it is put into service with combatant units, will be fully mastered precisely by combatant pilots (and not just test pilots), that combat combat pilots will work out short-range airborne missiles in ordinary training flights battle using just such aerobatics, without any restrictions. winked I would also like to see, along with new machines, new weapons coming to them, which in warehouses would replace the weapons of the previous generation. Today, a fighter is a complex of the actual machine, radar and other electronics, weapons; as well as aircraft and electronic warfare and early warning systems. In my opinion, it is the well-functioning work of this whole complex + intensive combat training with the use of all the capabilities of all means that is the key to success in modern aerial combat. smile Moreover, taking into account the real performance characteristics, the possibilities and the proposed tactics of using fighters of the "potential enemy".
  19. fimusito
    fimusito 24 January 2014 15: 09
    +6
    Here's how inside. Everything is beautiful and modern.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 January 2014 15: 37
      +2
      Something is not sure about this pale blue background of the panels ....))
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 24 January 2014 15: 54
        +2
        So we always painted the dashboard.
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 January 2014 16: 08
          +7
          Quote: leon-iv
          So we always painted the dashboard.


          No, not always .. it was always either salad green or gray wink
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 24 January 2014 16: 18
            +5
            Quote: Wedmak
            Something is not sure about this pale blue background of the panels ....))
            Quote: leon-iv
            So we always painted the dashboard.

            Quote: vaf
            No, not always .. it was always either salad green or gray

            There would be an airplane and a panel on it, but what paint they will paint with is not critical, if only not for such a "rainbow"
            , laughing ! Hello everyone, hi !
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 24 January 2014 16: 25
              +1
              and what paint will be painted - not critical

              You shouldn’t be so. Ergonomics, including color, must be present. The working conditions of the pilot are far from sofa ...
          2. boom_bah
            boom_bah 24 January 2014 23: 30
            0
            Well, yes, green on dry migrants, gray on dry ones.
          3. eagle11
            eagle11 25 January 2014 15: 25
            0
            Ias Iap Domna and Dzemgi, have already rated the "reliability" of MFI SMs at -30
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  21. Leshka
    Leshka 24 January 2014 15: 16
    -1
    need to pick up pace
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 24 January 2014 16: 45
      0
      Quote: Leshka
      need to pick up pace


      We are recruiting! good
  22. fimusito
    fimusito 24 January 2014 15: 30
    +1
    Explanations.
  23. URAL72
    URAL72 24 January 2014 15: 40
    +1
    Quote: fzr1000
    If they will not collect MiG - 35, then yes.


    Multitypes again? Now the main thing is to create and bring to mind a new engine for the PAK FA, 20t is enough for a single-engine light fighter, and Phazotron also promises a new radar with AFAR using 3D technology (I read it in "takeoff", it seems No. 8-9). The rest is not that difficult, not that long, and you can take a lot from the available equipment. They say there are developments in the easy, I think the delay in the above.
  24. ABV
    ABV 24 January 2014 15: 50
    0
    Great photo!
  25. vm68dm
    vm68dm 24 January 2014 16: 03
    +1
    The Su-35 provided for the installation of radars in the wing. NII-Tikhomirov’s L-band AFAR (stealth killer). Why aren’t they installed? Maybe someone knows. These will also be installed on PAK-FA. hi
    1. clidon
      clidon 24 January 2014 17: 57
      +2
      Why do not they install?

      Because the Air Force needs a real plane, and not a handout from the next MAKS.

      These will also be installed on PAK-FA.

      Or they won’t. The PAK FA board has not yet been approved ...
  26. sashka
    sashka 24 January 2014 16: 52
    +1
    Just "offhand" .. Besides OURS, what is not OUR? The car is beautiful, it flies amazingly. WHOSE Processors? Hope not for NANO?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 January 2014 17: 05
      +1
      We produce good processors and microcontrollers for military needs. There gigahertz frequencies and 22nm process technology are not needed.
      1. clidon
        clidon 24 January 2014 18: 15
        -1
        Developed by us, produced in Taiwan ...
        1. Berxen
          Berxen 24 January 2014 19: 52
          +1
          Produced in Zelenograd.
          1. clidon
            clidon 24 January 2014 23: 03
            0
            They are going (for what year) to produce in Zelenograd. In the meantime, Taiwan.
            1. Berxen
              Berxen 1 February 2014 17: 32
              0
              Milander, Angstrom, KEMZ.
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 24 January 2014 17: 13
      0
      Well, finally on nano - 90nm they call Elbrus. Do you love nano?
  27. supertiger21
    supertiger21 24 January 2014 18: 16
    +1
    It is not entirely correct to compare the Su-35 with the F-22 and F-35. Since both the Raptor and the Penguin are fifth-generation aircraft. It is more correct to compare with the American multi-role fighter F-15SE, belonging to the 4 ++ generation.
  28. crasever
    crasever 24 January 2014 18: 53
    0
    Handsome - he and the sky will blow away two scum overseas !!!
  29. moremansf
    moremansf 24 January 2014 19: 06
    +1
    And I like our planes !!!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 24 January 2014 19: 49
      +9
      January 23, Elizovo, flights in the winter training period.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 24 January 2014 20: 22
        +6
        Good evening everyone hi

        To this topic.
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  31. supertiger21
    supertiger21 25 January 2014 14: 55
    0
    F-15SE is the only fourth-generation fighter capable of competing on an equal footing with the Su-35C. But it exists in only one instance.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 January 2014 18: 14
      +1
      Quote: supertiger21
      F-15SE is the only fourth-generation fighter capable of competing on an equal footing with the Su-35C. But it exists in only one instance.

      How is it different from the F-15I?
      1. clidon
        clidon 25 January 2014 18: 48
        0
        The presence of new avionics and sharply reduced EPR.
      2. supertiger21
        supertiger21 25 January 2014 18: 57
        0
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: supertiger21
        F-15SE is the only fourth-generation fighter capable of competing on an equal footing with the Su-35C. But it exists in only one instance.

        How is it different from the F-15I?


        Firstly, the F-15I is one of the export modifications of the F-15E Strike Eagle. Well, and secondly, the F-15SE Silent Eagle is a deep modernization of the American modification of the F-15E aircraft. The last "Eagle" differs from the Israeli aircraft by the presence of an internal weapons compartment , reduced ESR and improved avionics - these are all its main differences.
  32. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 25 January 2014 18: 12
    0
    And on the MiG-31 is not AFAR?
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 25 January 2014 18: 28
      0
      Quote: Achtuba1970
      And on the MiG-31 is not AFAR?

      Not. PFAR. RP-31 Н007 "Barrier"
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 25 January 2014 19: 01
        0
        And what are the essential advantages of the Active PAR from Passive?
  33. NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 January 2014 02: 27
    +5
    Quote: Novel 1977
    Well, where do we go to the ratio of losses in Korea, where 10 MiG-15s for one shot down Saber, and 1 in 15 in Vietnam, and during the "Desert Storm" not a single plane was shot down in an air battle. ... the ratio is 0 to 31, and one "Abrams" is steeper than 10 T-90s, and so on. etc.
    However, Israel surpassed the United States, modestly admitting the loss of all ONE of its aircraft in Lebanon in the 1982 year, and even the talk they say fell itself, from contempt for the Arabs, after the downing of as many as 81 (EIGHTY ONE) Syrian.
    Nevertheless, the same F-15E "Strike Eagle": in air battles with enemy fighters, fortunately for myself, did not meet, nevertheless lost:
    Operation Desert Storm:
    17 January 1991 - shot down southwest of Basra at low altitude. Both crew members died.
    19 January 1991 - the S-75 air defense missile system was shot down over western Iraq during a night flight to search for Scud operational-tactical missile systems. Both crew members were captured.
    2003 Iraq War:
    7 April 2003 - knocked down from the ground in the Tikrit region. Both crew members died.
    Operation Dawn of the Odyssey:
    22 March 2011 year - crashed for non-military reasons in 40 km from the city of Benghazi (officially). The crew is saved.
    True, with time, interesting details emerge: The same Americans still claim that they did not lose a single aircraft during the "Desert Storm" in aerial combat, although they OFFICIALLY admitted the fact that the Iraqi MiG-25PD F / A-18C was shot down by the pilot Michael Specher from the 81st Fighter and Bomber Squadron (VFA-81) of the aircraft carrier "Saratoga" on the night of January 16-17, 1991. And this is taking into account the fact that the air battle took place over Iraqi territory. This is an advertisement for which the Americans and Israelis are masters ...
    Well, they recognized it, they recognized it, they didn’t talk about it, and they only recognized it when in 1995, independent experts found a downed plane and examined its wreckage. Initially, it was announced that the cause of the loss was an anti-aircraft missile, but after the war, independent experts found the wreckage and concluded that the F / A-18 was shot down by the P-40 air-to-air missile launched by the Iraqi MiG-25 fighter.
    However, there is information about other coalition aircraft shot down in the 1991 year, but not officially confirmed by it:
    Downed plane Than downed
    F / A-18 MiG-25 (probably P-40)
    F-16 MiG-23 (P-23)
    Tornado.GR1 MiG-29 pair
    Tornado.GR1 MiG-23 pair
    EF-111A probably MiG-29
    http://forums.airbase.ru/2000/06/t6220--boevoe-primenenie-irak-1991.160.html


    MiG-25 Iraqi Air Force

    on the account of the ratio of downed planes in Korea and Vietnam ... Western minds can even write 1 in 50 ... but I do not consider their information to be true and not even the judgments of our experts ... there are comments and interviews of participants in these wars ... so here it says about the ratio of 1 moment to 3 sabrnes in Vietnam ... this, I think, is more weighty and truthful information ... on Korea, the ratio is 1/4 in favor of our aces. The topic of "which tank is cooler" has already been raised ... yes, only this is all talk and no more ... on a piece of paper, the characteristics of the machine can be outrageous, but in a real battle this machine will not be more useful than a sapper's shovel ... you can compare cars that have been encountered in real battles and always in long-term companies ...
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 26 January 2014 13: 25
      +1
      I completely agree! By the way, about the Lebanon war of 1982, Israel officially confirms only the loss of 2 aircraft. Although the Syrians also announced 5 victories over the F-15 (3 shot down the MiG-23,2 MiG-25) and 6 over F-16 (all MiG-23s shot down). The truth about the wreckage of the fighters and captured pilots is not among the Syrians. But if you take it like this, then Israel didn’t have the wreckage of Syrian aircraft either. Israeli air victories will colorfully propagandize the Western media as soon as possible. declared Syrian victories, prefer to keep quiet, or even make sure that they are all forgotten.
  34. avkeys
    avkeys 26 January 2014 16: 19
    0
    Skot war. Volga-Dnepr has already dispersed aircraft