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Lithuania and Moldova, and maybe come back?

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The American Gallup Institute (Gallup) published the results of a survey conducted among citizens of former Soviet republics - how they relate to the collapse of the USSR. The answer has taken aback American sociologists. It turns out that only 24% of former Soviet citizens saw this as a positive thing. While 51% considered that the collapse of the USSR caused harm both to them personally and to the republics (now independent states) where they lived.


For a start, the prehistory. In one of the long-standing analytical programs of the BBC about the Soviet Union, Western experts cited the following data: in the first quarter of 1983, production in the USSR increased by 6,3% and labor productivity by 4,7%. The moderator’s comment: “The changes that are taking place in the Soviet Union indicate that socialism harbors such internal reserves that the Soviet leaders themselves did not seem to know about.” Two years later, the USSR was headed by a new leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, and these reserves were unclaimed, having sunk into oblivion along with the country that had not realized them.

Most experts Gallup struck a slice of opinion in Ukraine and Moldova. In “Square”, despite Maidan, 56% of respondents have a negative attitude towards the disappearance of a single great country, and only 23% see this as a benefit. In Moldova, which initialed an association agreement with the European Union, where the Constitutional Court recognized Romanian as the state language, 42% of citizens continue to see more harm in the collapse of the USSR, but 26% saw the benefit. The Russians are also not thrilled with the “ballast discharge”, as some democratic politicians have presented with the division of the USSR: 55% of respondents see it as a harm, only 19% is a benefit.

Like this. After twenty years of cultivating isolation (switching to the Latin alphabet, a feverish search for one's own historical roots leading away from any community with Russia, violent religious propaganda with a strong admixture of nationalism, the reduction of all negative phenomena and events of the past, as well as contemporary problems to the Russian root cause), finally, something that unites everyone was found. This is a positive attitude towards the former unity, and a negative attitude towards modern independence.

Movement along its own development trajectories, with a gradual deliverance from the Soviet legacy, turned out to be for the peoples of the latter-day states a road to a worse life. Most of the former Soviet citizens interviewed are disappointed with their post-Soviet rulers and greedy new elites. The lion's share of their promises did not materialize, which not only strengthened the nostalgic feelings of older generations, but also increased the number of USSR fans among young people — they also wanted to go to a “fabulous” country called the Soviet Union. And the thing is not even in the shock economic therapy with which the liberals treated “sovkovy” Russia in the nineties. The point is the general paradigm shift.

In December, the American research organization Pew Research Center announced the results of a study on how Lithuanian, Russian and Ukrainian citizens assess the changes in 2012, 1991 and 2009. Note that the reforms in these states were carried out by different people and under different scenarios. So, the emergence of a market economy in 2011 was supported by 1991%, in 76-m - 2009%, and in 50-m - only 2011% of Lithuanians, one of the first to break free from the “yoke” of the Soviet economic and political system. According to the respondents, the changes over the past twenty years have been beneficial to politicians (they were called 45%) and entrepreneurs (91%), and not to ordinary people (78%). 20% of respondents in the republic said that the last twenty years had a negative impact on the quality of life. 56% of Russians and 61% of Ukrainians responded in the same way.

According to the Russian Levada Center, in 2012, in the Russian Federation there were 29% supporters of the Soviet political system, and in 2013, it was already 36%. At the same time, the percentage of supporters of Western democracy decreased (22% versus 29%). Sociologists also asked what economic system seems to be more correct for Russians. 51% named a model based on government planning and distribution (in 2012, these were 49%). The system, which is based on private property and market relations, was supported by 2012% in 36, and for the next year even less - 29%.

Yes, and other sociological studies show that more and more Russians are convinced that the cause of economic difficulties, both past and possibly waiting for us ahead, was the wrong choice of development path.

Understanding that the collapse of a single state with an economy capable of producing everything, from children's nipples to moon rovers, has turned the former Soviet republics into a global periphery for servicing global capital, is becoming increasingly widespread. Hence the growth of nostalgic feelings, the romanticization of the USSR and the increase in centripetal moods, expressed in interest in the Customs Union and other, closer types of integration.

Hence the growing opposition to these sentiments by the main beneficiaries of the dismemberment of the USSR. So, at the conference on human rights in Dublin 6 in December 2012, before meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spoke out quite clearly about the Customs Union. “We know what the goal is, and we are trying to develop effective ways to slow down or prevent it,” she said. So, the origin of the color revolutions, the “Euromaidans”, the endless political crises like the Moldovan one, the “Saakashvili phenomena”, the vigorous work of the so-called non-governmental organizations and similar subversive activities are all quite understandable. The world political and economic strategists, who are the authors of the successfully implemented concept of planetary globalization based on the principle: the financial and high-tech center, the raw material periphery, have done too much for the demise of the USSR to allow its revival in any form.

The reasons that ordinary people with growing warmth and respect remember the times of the Soviet Union, not only in the economy. Psychologists believe that there is a subconscious attempt to find protection from the total, including interpersonal, negatives that have grown to incredible dimensions. People everywhere became wicked. Angrier, more aggressive, more greedy, more selfish, more unprincipled, more ruthless, more powerful and self-interested. And this, as it turned out, does not help build or live.


Socialism worked to develop all the best in man. And it bore fruit. “Even in the late Soviet period, despite the fact that in times of queues and shortages, another person was perceived as a competitor in the struggle for basic necessities, relations between people — including different nationalities — were quite benevolent,” the deputy director of the Institute of Psychology says RAS Andrei Yurevich.

Yes, both the USSR and the system of world socialism created by it were not without flaws. But the “ideal state” existed only in the fantasies of the ancient philosopher Plato. The unjustified thirst for Western models turned out to be the “Trojan horse” by means of which the unique state of the Soviet Union, built with such difficulty and at the cost of such victims, was destroyed. For the authorities and elites formed on its ruins of sovereign powers, mass nostalgia for the USSR is a wake-up signal. People without any agitation and PR technologies have elevated the past to the rank of a standard with which they compare their present life and about which they tell children and grandchildren in the kitchen. While the comparison is not in favor of modernity. And this blurs the socio-political and economic sustainability of the state: after all, people will consciously or unconsciously resist further attempts to divert them to the other side.

Eastern Europe yearns for the social camp

Few people know that they remember warmly pre-perestroika times in the countries of the former socialist community. The most striking were the results of a sociological survey conducted in 2010 by the Emnid public opinion research institute in Germany. 80% of residents of the former GDR and 72% of respondents in Germany stated that they could well now live in a socialist state. Two decades later, after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the unification of Germany, only 28% of respondents in the east of the country said they consider the acquired “freedom” as the main political value. The German leadership, led by former East German Komsomol activist (FDJ) Angela Merkel, was shocked by these results. Since then, such studies in Germany can no longer be heard. But in other countries the results are no less eloquent.

Thus, in the Gallup World ranking, compiled in three categories - “prosperous”, “struggling” and “suffering” people, according to the results of 2012, the people of Bulgaria became the most suffering. 39% of its residents called themselves unhappy. The once-thriving Hungarians also entered the world's top 5 sufferers. 32% of the citizens of this country, who were once envied even in the USSR, also consider themselves unhappy. Romanians remember with nostalgia the times of Ceausescu. Similar studies state the same in most of the states created on the ruins of the Yugoslav federation, states the Serbian publication Politika Online.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 24 January 2014 13: 03
    +114
    Gorbachev This is a mistake of history! The damage that one person brought to the Soviet Union cannot be assessed !!! Therefore, the West bears it in his hands !!!
    1. Maverick78
      Maverick78 24 January 2014 16: 15
      +83
      Unfortunately, he was not alone
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 24 January 2014 16: 49
        +22
        Quote: Maverick78
        Unfortunately, he was not alone

        Yes, these grabbers are still at the top, when they will be passed over all, well, or they will be transplanted! Today the general director of Severnaya Verf was arrested, he stole 38 wooden lamas, he is building ships, I'm afraid to even imagine what quality they are! am
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 24 January 2014 18: 32
          +28
          Quote: Author Vadim BONDAR
          People everywhere have become more vicious. Angrier, more aggressive, greedy, selfish, unprincipled, ruthless, power- and self-seeking.


          Dear namesake, this is capitalism. The exploitation of man by man. You cannot make a fortune differently in it. Only by robbing someone.
          1. ekzorsist
            ekzorsist 26 January 2014 19: 33
            +4
            Quote: Vadivak
            Dear namesake, this is capitalism. The exploitation of man by man. You cannot make a fortune differently in it. Only by robbing someone.

            Well, why is it so categorical ... - even killing someone, deceiving ... and even the darkness of options, but in any of them it was originally laid down - "only money, money and money again ... everything else is to spit and grind" ...
            And they still prove - "The USSR is bad, under the Soviet Union it was bad for us all - not everyone had enough jeans ... There was no gum ..."
            Just collect these denim-ruminant sufferers and send them to the same Americans? AND ? And by ourselves continue to build the USSR ??? Whatever he was, BUT this is my COUNTRY, my MOTHERLAND ...
        2. wow
          wow 24 January 2014 21: 41
          +10
          When will these creatures get drunk !?
          1. catapractic
            catapractic 24 January 2014 22: 10
            +31
            never. their swallowing reflex can be cured only by cutting the throat am
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            2. Stalker
              Stalker 24 January 2014 22: 48
              +4
              never. their swallowing reflex can be cured only by cutting the throat
              ... Or make a condom filled with water swallow. Imaginary satiety is provided !!! laughing
            3. Orang
              Orang 25 January 2014 22: 21
              +3
              Quote: cataphractium
              never. their swallowing reflex can be cured only by cutting the throat

              Aptly!
          2. Nick
            Nick 24 January 2014 23: 24
            +4
            Quote: yo-mine
            When will these creatures get drunk !?


            They have neither developed a consumption culture, nor a reflex of self-restraint. They will eat until they die ...
          3. Lukich
            Lukich 25 January 2014 15: 41
            +3
            yo mine (2) UA
            When will these creatures get drunk !?


            ... I have a dog - a Labrador - and when I feed her, I always think - "... when will she get drunk! ..."
            1. justas-xnumx
              justas-xnumx 25 January 2014 20: 22
              +8
              No need to compare a noble, loyal animal with ghouls on which an aspen stake cries! 8)
            2. vo.dum
              vo.dum 27 January 2014 01: 37
              +2
              Well, you do not offend the dog ... - the dog, unlike these nits, is a more devoted and grateful creature, and he will not betray his master ...
        3. mirag2
          mirag2 24 January 2014 21: 41
          +3
          Today they are engaged in our economy, do not allow to develop production-
        4. atarix
          atarix 29 January 2014 22: 07
          0
          steal a little. not enough to "share".
          would steal like a stool, look and let go.
          such unfortunately In this country do not plant.
      2. demon184
        demon184 24 January 2014 16: 54
        +31
        The people then seduced like Indians on jeans and Coke
        1. S-200
          S-200 24 January 2014 20: 22
          +5
          Quote: demon184
          The people then seduced like Indians on jeans and Coke

          what in my opinion, at first the Indians were led by glass beads and fiery water ... drinks
        2. askarlad
          askarlad 24 January 2014 20: 33
          +54
          Yes, I remember my childhood in the USSR, studying at school everyone is equal to the best. Elementary in grade 5, as soon as Geography appeared, we competed who better knows the map of the world or river of a particular country. I asked my nephew, he is studying in a paid school with an English bias, where Ecuador is located, so he was so busy. And is this a super educational technique of the West?
          I remember every year for FREE in honey., The school’s office, dentists examined all the children and treated their teeth. And now a child cannot even cure a child’s tooth even in a clinic either as a doctor, he went to work in a paid clinic, then as a hospital, etc. etc.
          Do you want to remember in the sports section, please here you are for example skiing here are your skates, here's a ball for you, if there were paid sections it's not that expensive. Do you want in a circle of which it was not measured on any subject you could only come.

          And what now?

          You can continue for a long time and persistently here is the point ...
          1. gav6757
            gav6757 24 January 2014 23: 08
            +4
            That's right !!!
          2. Woodoo
            Woodoo 24 January 2014 23: 13
            +11
            In addition, the kids ran in flocks in the yards, everyone knew each other by name. There were troubles (there is no herd without black sheep), but in most cases, no one was afraid to let the children go for a walk. From the age of 7 on their own, we rode around the city between workouts and clubs. SchA watch how the children with their "nurse-nurses" breathe fresh air and frankly feel sorry for them.
          3. Slavapom
            Slavapom 25 January 2014 11: 51
            +4
            and all these sections were in all schools of the country !!! and constantly held a variety of competitions / city, district, region, etc. /. who of the children now knows what the collection of scrap metal or waste paper is!?. and the thing is that the state had everything to do, and there was enough money for everything, absolutely everything.
          4. Poppy
            Poppy 27 January 2014 11: 22
            +2
            even on TV people tried to develop, tighten, there were scientific and educational programs, cultural, etc.
            and now the continuous world of crime and house-2
        3. catapractic
          catapractic 3 February 2014 20: 58
          0
          to the point brother
      3. demel2
        demel2 24 January 2014 17: 31
        +37
        Yes, he was not alone, we are all to blame for the fact that we did not interfere with this mozzie
        to ruin the State. It is time for us to recognize this so as not to lose another country.
      4. 120352
        120352 24 January 2014 19: 09
        +9
        In fact, all the documents on the collapse of the Union and the Socialist Camps were signed not by Gorbachev, but by Yeltsin! And it was he who became the destroyer of everything, and not Gorbachev.
        1. smile
          smile 24 January 2014 20: 39
          +21
          120352
          In principle, you are right. But Gorbaty brought the country to a pen, in fact through his fault, because of his dementia. indecision and meanness, we have created conditions favorable for the collapse of the country, which have led such as Yeltsin to finish off the country.
          He and the elbon acted in a single bond, even though they were enemies - much like nicholas and the interim government. Nikolashka brought the country to a hilt (although even he would not have gone for such an unprecedented surrender of positions, despite all his worthlessness - such as the hunchback, we probably never had), then the Temporary overthrew him. they ruined the country in just six months - they killed the hell, to the click ... we agonized .... but even the temporary ones didn’t hand out the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia like elbon, the territories were taken from us with a fight, for example, in a fierce fight, without exception destroying all the red supporters the abandonment of the Baltic states and Finland as part of Russia ... the Reds simply did not have the strength to defend everything ... But he gave up the Elbon ... then the censorship words ended with me ...
          Here. such are the parallels ... so that I do not care which of the bottom is worse. who is better - without these tvvvvari Union would have stood, and literally millions of people would not have died in civil wars in the former republics and here ....
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 24 January 2014 21: 40
            +4
            And that plays a very important role - the soldiers would return from Afghanistan with victory. There would be no more plantations of narcotic plants. Peace would come to Afghanistan. For the first time in the history of this small unfortunate country.
            1. Woodoo
              Woodoo 24 January 2014 23: 26
              +18
              Yes, come on. What kind of Afghan is there ?! If the republics of the Union, including the RSFSR, did not value what they had. By the way, those who had more than others appreciated least of all. There is no point in retelling the story of the "Baltic tigers". Those who could do something and were worth something make up today's vehicle basis. And above all, of course, Belarus.
          2. acute
            acute 27 January 2014 14: 45
            0
            Gorbachev is okay, but Yeltsin, then the whole country chose. How worried all for him. when Gorbachev pushed him from the secretary of Moscow
          3. kare
            kare 30 January 2014 18: 03
            0
            Fight and unity of opposites
      5. Basarev
        Basarev 24 January 2014 21: 36
        +4
        They say that Khrushchev was also one of these. But at least they managed to stop Khrushchev before he did too much evil.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 24 January 2014 21: 56
          +2
          Quote: Basarev
          They say that Khrushchev was also one of these.


          That the Trotskyist was exactly Khrushchev should have been removed from the party, but he was saved, because Khrushchev had studied with his wife, Comrade Stalin N. Alliluyeva.
      6. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 25 January 2014 03: 51
        +1
        Quote: Maverick78
        Unfortunately, he was not alone


        He alone was enough so that for thirty years now the collapsed people cannot be restored after him and will never be restored.
      7. vo.dum
        vo.dum 27 January 2014 01: 33
        +4
        In the process that struck our country, it is also difficult to overestimate the role of such a jackal as Shevarnadze ... the traitor is the same ... and the accomplice Misha ....
      8. acute
        acute 27 January 2014 14: 39
        0
        That's for sure. Many then decided. that divorce is the best
    2. Alexei
      Alexei 24 January 2014 16: 55
      +19
      Quote: AVV
      Gorbachev This is a mistake of history!

      He is also a mistake of nature. As if he sleeps calmly when so many souls are ruined. He has no soul, no Homeland ... He is not a man, but a mistake of nature - a program malfunction, a virus, an illness.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 24 January 2014 18: 30
        +11
        However, this did not prevent him from receiving the highest awards of the Russian Federation. Conclusion - at the top settled the same as him. bully
        1. BOB48
          BOB48 24 January 2014 20: 33
          0
          interesting, but Stalin would have accepted at least one cap award. country?
          1. Woodoo
            Woodoo 24 January 2014 23: 33
            +2
            What he did - the cap of the country, is considered a threat to their national security. For this, they have no rewards.
      2. Vasek
        Vasek 24 January 2014 18: 47
        +13
        Quote: Alexej
        Quote: AVV
        Gorbachev This is a mistake of history!
        He is also a mistake of nature. As if he sleeps calmly when so many souls are ruined. He has no soul, no Homeland ... He is not a man, but a mistake of nature - a program malfunction, a virus, an illness.

        Gorbachev - we are punished as blacks - AIDS, Jews - Hitler.
        Maybe someday we will learn to value what we have, and not to shed tears!
        The unjustified craving for Western models turned out to be the “Trojan horse” by which the Soviet Union, a unique state built in such a way and at the cost of such victims, was destroyed.

        We must not lose our vigilance, the desire of the bourgeois to crush us has not disappeared:
        US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spoke out very clearly regarding the Customs Union. “We know what the goal is, and we are trying to devise effective ways to slow or prevent this.”
      3. 120352
        120352 24 January 2014 19: 15
        +6
        Gorbachev should not be credited with what Yeltsin actually did: the collapse of the Union and the Socialist camp. Or you don’t remember who signed the documents in Belovezhskaya Pushcha (by the way, they were lost, and therefore the decisions made there are legally void) and who danced with Evgeny Osin in Germany when our troops were sent to the bare steppe to Russia.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 24 January 2014 21: 43
          0
          What you have said is amazing! As far as I remember, the documents about Alaska also did not survive. It is theoretically possible to return the lost lands in America.
        2. luka095
          luka095 25 January 2014 02: 11
          +3
          The collapse of the socialist camp is the business of Gorbachev and his team. The end result is the collapse of the USSR. Yeltsin is one of his accomplices who managed to overthrow Gorbachev and continue his work. And Gorbachev, speaking relatively recently in England, bluntly said that he came to power with the aim of the collapse of the USSR, the elimination of the socialist system. And they were all used by our sworn "friends" in the West.
          1. kare
            kare 30 January 2014 18: 09
            0
            Quote: luka095
            The collapse of the socialist camp is the business of Gorbachev and his team. The end result is the collapse of the USSR. Yeltsin is one of his accomplices who managed to overthrow Gorbachev and continue his work. And Gorbachev, speaking relatively recently in England, bluntly said that he came to power with the aim of the collapse of the USSR, the elimination of the socialist system. And they were all used by our sworn "friends" in the West.

            If it’s possible at the expense of the hunchback’s speech, drop the link, did the ghoul admit, it should be propagated as much as possible
        3. vlad.svargin
          vlad.svargin 25 January 2014 09: 19
          +1
          120352 (5) RU
          Gorbachev should not be credited with what Yeltsin actually did: the collapse of the Union and the Socialist camp. Or you don’t remember who signed the documents in Belovezhskaya Pushcha

          There would not have been the first "warming" arranged by Khrushchev (with him the destruction machine had already been launched). Already "a great continuation of destruction" was under Gorbachev. He prepared everything for the "final point" in Belovezhskaya Pushcha with three "non-humans". This alcoholic had little power. All of them have great contempt from us and our descendants, all of them are equally guilty of the troubles of our people !!!
    3. Victor-M
      Victor-M 24 January 2014 19: 02
      +3
      Quote: AVV
      Therefore, the West carries it on its hands !!!

      Soon they will deliver Humpback, forward with his feet. This is a proverb written about him, about a hunchbacked one.
      1. smile
        smile 24 January 2014 20: 26
        +5
        Victor-M
        Unfortunately, he will die himself, without trial and not behind bars ..... insulting.
    4. aepocmam
      aepocmam 24 January 2014 19: 18
      +3
      The Judge-Gorbach's muzzle asks for a BRICK ...!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 24 January 2014 21: 46
        +5
        Let me fix something.
        Gorbachev is not Judas. Judah, as far as is known, sold for a very decent amount at that time. And Gorbachev merged the USSR for only one empty promise.
    5. Siberian German
      Siberian German 24 January 2014 19: 37
      +11
      a hunchbacked screen - but I wonder who pulled it by strings. And about the GDR - as I was talking with the Fritz from the Geder - he directly said you betrayed us
      1. BOB48
        BOB48 24 January 2014 20: 36
        +10
        and in 1992 I talked with a hard worker in Kiev - he said that we had taken away all their grub (if I came from the Urals)!
        1. catapractic
          catapractic 24 January 2014 22: 12
          +3
          absolutely accurate and they told me the same thing in 1991.
      2. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 24 January 2014 21: 13
        +7
        Quote: Siberian German
        And about the GDR - as I was talking with the Fritz from the Geder - he directly said you betrayed us

        yeah, we betrayed everyone along the way ...

        only for some reason no one thinks that in fact EVERYONE has betrayed US ...
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 24 January 2014 21: 48
          +2
          It’s a very similar story with debts. We forgive debts to everyone who doesn’t get caught. By the way, rather big debts - remember at least the story of Cuba. Nobody forgave us anything.
          1. valerei
            valerei 25 January 2014 14: 15
            0
            Basarev, a small amendment: "we" did not forgive any debts, but Putin and Medvedev forgave debts. Nobody asked us, and now they are not going to ask. They forgive because they are temporary workers, and they do not pay out of their own pocket. And Russia - as it has endured - so it will endure again.
        2. frejaodina
          frejaodina 24 January 2014 21: 53
          +3
          Recently I watched Starikov's meeting with readers in Chisinau. So there is one topic in a bold line: "Why does Russia not give us money to be with her?" Why do we owe them something else. For years we helped as much as we could (USSR period), and as soon as we stumbled, not only did they not help us, then only the lazy one did not kick.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 24 January 2014 22: 50
            0
            Quote: frejaodina
            For years we helped as much as we could (period of the USSR), and as soon as we stumbled, we not only didn’t help, but the lazy one didn’t kick.

            that's it...
            did not want to be our republics, will be our colonies ...

            the games are over ...
            1. smile
              smile 25 January 2014 03: 47
              +3
              Danafxnumx
              Olga, I won’t believe in truth that you really think so. :))) Although I understand your emotions .....
              Yes, the games are over, and there will be no freebies .... but the fact is that impractical Russians ALWAYS granted equal rights to everyone who inhabited territories connected with RI .... this is our nature ... and our country has expanded the last two and a half century, mainly not by conquest in response to aggression, but specifically at the request - THANKS- and take under the wing, otherwise we will be fucked by the Persian Turks.
              That’s why we were able to build such a huge country ... you see, we just won’t be able to make a colony from someone .... not only do we not know how and we don’t have such experience, it’s disgusting to the spirit of the Russian people.
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 25 January 2014 11: 19
                0
                Quote: smile
                Olga, I won’t believe in truth that you really think so. :))) Although I understand your emotions .....

                I just feel sorry for the Power ...

                what kind of "brothers" they are to us, we saw 08.08.08 ...
                with such relatives and enemies is not necessary ...
                and if there is some serious mess, then they will be the first to betray us, because the brain is not trained to turn on ...

                Yes, we are big, strong and kind .... but how much can you play on this?
                1. smile
                  smile 25 January 2014 16: 16
                  0
                  Danafxnumx
                  Well, here I agree with you. Completely and unconditionally. I myself experience the exact same emotions. :)))
        3. Siberian German
          Siberian German 25 January 2014 20: 27
          +2
          Do you remember that we are responsible for those whom we tamed - so as for the GDR, we created it and we were responsible for it
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 24 January 2014 19: 41
      +15
      Gorbachev is half the battle, and with Yeltsin it’s 100%. If Yeltsin did not show with Kravchuk and Shushkevich an independent act of signing the Treaty on the Creation of the CIS, the USSR would remain. After all, the majority of the population in a referendum held earlier spoke in favor of preserving the USSR. So Gorbachev began, and this trinity completed. The fault of Gorbachev is that, given the difficulties in the economy, he allowed the people and the shit democracy that came out of all the cracks in the person of Sakharov and the company to say whatever they want. That's agreed ! Gorbachev is somewhat similar to modern Yanukovych. He also looked into the mouth of America and Western Europe, was afraid to do anything that could cause anger from behind the hill, was a weak, weak-willed person. But Takots man could not lead such a country as the USSR. Here we needed a strong man who could hold all the threads of leadership in one hand, preventing the local elite from raising their tail and yapping at Moscow, and instead he let go of the Baltic states, which entailed attempts to get out of Moscow's custody of other republics. So both Gorbachev, and Yeltsin, and Shushkevich, and Kravchuk are guilty of the fact that the USSR disappeared from the world map, the best state in the world, the existence of which, on the one hand, was interested in both the West and the USA, but this was too late to comprehend as in the proverb about partying and a hangover.
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 24 January 2014 20: 57
        +8
        They forgot about Shevarnadze, the main ideologist of the collapse of the USSR, or rather his wife, + Gorbachev's wife.
        1. 225chay
          225chay 25 January 2014 07: 50
          +1
          Quote: KPA
          They forgot about Shevarnadze, the main ideologist of the collapse of the USSR, or rather his wife, + Gorbachev's wife.

          Yakovlev is an agent of the West! Do not forget this former head of the ideological work of the Central Committee of the CPSU
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 24 January 2014 21: 52
        0
        Awareness came unexpectedly and terribly. Until the ninety-first year, the entire Asian-African evil spirits were built by the USSR, not allowing savages to move completely. And when the USSR fell, all this rabble moved towards the USA. The culmination was a grandiose show in September 2001.
      3. Current 72
        Current 72 25 January 2014 03: 22
        +4
        There was the USSR, there was order in the world! The USSR did not become, a mess has become in the world!
    7. homosum20
      homosum20 24 January 2014 19: 49
      0
      Gorbachev is a mistake of genetics.
    8. APASUS
      APASUS 24 January 2014 20: 55
      +3
      Quote: AVV
      Gorbachev This is a mistake of history!

      Wow!
      Wow story mistake?
      A traitor to his own people is called a mistake - sounds like an excuse!
    9. alexdol
      alexdol 24 January 2014 20: 58
      +9
      AVV (1) SU "Gorbachev This is a mistake of history! ..."
      -----------------------------------------------------------
      That's it with this formulation of the question I categorically disagree with you !!!
      As it can be called a mistake FULLY RECOGNIZED activity on the collapse of the COUNTRY!
      But this ga-di-na even admitted it himself! And for all his "WORKS" he still received an order from the LADY for the 80th anniversary ?!
      And the very expression "mistake of history" has no meaning at all, only people can make mistakes!
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    10. Oleg Sobol
      Oleg Sobol 24 January 2014 21: 14
      +4
      He's not a mistake! He is the "Project" Tool of the West! And he did what he was told! I did it clearly, meanly, without a shadow of a doubt. As befits a Servant.

      Nevertheless, the Truth cannot be hidden, it has become difficult to hide it, although the curators of the project "try".
    11. Woodoo
      Woodoo 24 January 2014 23: 04
      0
      History is not mistaken, as is evolution.
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    13. Tersky
      Tersky 24 January 2014 23: 07
      +1
      Quote: AVV
      Gorbachev This is a mistake of history

      History has nothing to do with it, it’s the mistake of a drunken obstetrician. During childbirth, the little head was squeezed a little, so that in it the level of brain matter was evened to zero, it was not in vain that the mark remained on the bald patches.
    14. Nick
      Nick 24 January 2014 23: 20
      +1
      Quote: AVV
      Gorbachev This is a mistake of history! The damage that one person brought to the Soviet Union cannot be assessed !!


      That's right, I’ll only make a correction. This man caused great harm not only and not so much to the USSR as to the whole of human civilization, depriving mankind of the opportunity to choose a path of development for long times ...
    15. Igor80
      Igor80 25 January 2014 01: 37
      +3
      It is a pity that you can put only one plus, because this is AXIOM !!!
    16. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 25 January 2014 03: 50
      +2
      Quote: AVV
      Gorbachev This is a mistake of history! The damage that one person brought to the Soviet Union cannot be assessed !!! Therefore, the West bears it in his hands !!!


      Gorbachev is an example of an idiot confident that he is doing everything right. The West carries it in its arms because it has collapsed and handed over a rich rich country.

      ... even if the United States didn’t like him there, 20 years on our freebie uranium sat ... Halayava just began to end.
    17. nnz226
      nnz226 25 January 2014 15: 48
      +2
      And the alcoholic Yeltsin ?! This drunk is even more related to the collapse of the country, even when Kravchuk, when signing documents on the collapse of the USSR, asked about the fate of the Crimea (and the hohliks, in exchange for recognition of independence, the Crimea would be returned to Russia with a joyful squeal), but urgently needed, and "as a lordly gave" Crimea to hohliks. Hence the problems with the Black Sea Fleet, etc. Again, the South Stream, in the presence of Crimea as part of the Russian Federation, would not pass through the depths of the sea and would cost several times cheaper, and the problem of the Kerch Strait would not arise, and the current Sabbath on the Maidan would not be interesting to Russia if there was Crimea in it. But one drunk ruined everything.
    18. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 27 January 2014 15: 27
      0
      And what people wanted to see is how a bunch of oligarchs and snickering corrupt officials live like "cheese in butter", and the rest, as they can, despite this, in all the former republics, including in Russia, they just got drunk so much that there was nothing behind their cheeks. do not see, including in our government, the beautiful slogan "we are not 37 years old", but steal as much as you want, but only for the elite, the example of "stools" and this whole furniture store emphasizes this. In the USSR, there was a certain order, but not an ideal, but as we now see that in the states, not everything is as ideal as the "ragged democrats" like Svanidze, Alekseeva and the like bring us to us. .. will be suspended by me ....
  2. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 24 January 2014 15: 37
    +8
    "I looked around to see if she had looked back to see if I had looked back."
    1. Armata
      Armata 24 January 2014 15: 52
      +8
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      "I looked around to see if she had looked back to see if I had looked back."
      Once again, only in Russian.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 16: 12
        +8
        And I will write this way, the West in its attempt to destroy everything that connected peoples, history, culture, memory, faced with the fact that the people who are trying to destroy, sooner or later begin to resist. First, resistance comes at the level of thoughts, then words, and after goes to action. Everything is according to the script, but someone else.
        Quote: Mechanic
        Once again, only in Russian.

        Zhenya, this is Makarevich.
        1. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 24 January 2014 16: 19
          +15
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Zhenya, this is Makarevich.

          Maxim Leonidov
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 16: 37
            +1
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka

            Maxim Leonidov

            Yes, it’s for sure, I drive on easy.
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 24 January 2014 17: 12
            +4
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Zhenya, this is Makarevich.

            Maxim Leonidov

            This is almost the same if you look closely at a small headdress. smile
          3. Vadivak
            Vadivak 24 January 2014 18: 38
            +1
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            Maxim Leonidov


            - In one word - Romanian! -So he is Bulgarian !? -Who cares?
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 24 January 2014 17: 13
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, this is Makarevich.

          What, Makarevich - Russian? Don’t make people laugh!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 17: 19
            +7
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            What, Makarevich - Russian? Don’t make people laugh!

            Why are you writing this stuff to whom?
            1. abdrah
              abdrah 24 January 2014 19: 11
              +17
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: 11111mail.ru
              What, Makarevich - Russian? Don’t make people laugh!

              Why are you writing this stuff to whom?


              Probably to the fact that the humpback doesn’t play his songs on anniversaries in the England. And even boast that Putin’s will not play at the inauguration. I think that if they invited an aging "star" to play, there would hardly be a reason for refusal.
              PS Previously, I respected the work of Makar, but in recent years he began to interfere with money, honey, shit and bees ..
          2. Vasek
            Vasek 24 January 2014 18: 52
            +2
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            What, Makarevich - Russian? Don’t make people laugh!

            Yes, and Leonidov - not Moldova. laughing
            Although then we were all Soviet! soldier
          3. gav6757
            gav6757 24 January 2014 23: 30
            +4
            Russian is, to a greater extent, a state of mind !!! I have a friend, he is a Negro, but Russian, according to his passport. So, he is a "nazik"! I understand that this is nonsense, but he cannot go through the market without calling some "Azeri" "black-footed" ...
        3. Vasek
          Vasek 24 January 2014 18: 50
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Zhenya, this is Makarevich.

          Or: Leonidov-Fomenko bully
        4. 120352
          120352 24 January 2014 19: 16
          0
          This is Maxim Leonidov, sorry.
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 24 January 2014 17: 47
        +4
        Quote: Mechanic
        Once again, only in Russian.

        Stop looking back: if only, if only. Everything, the past cannot be returned, you need to think about the future. "What we have we do not keep, having lost we cry!"
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 24 January 2014 18: 34
          +5
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Stop looking back: if, yes if

          “A people who do not remember their past have no future.”
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 24 January 2014 19: 08
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            “A people who do not remember their past have no future.”

            If you look back all the time, the big question is where are you going.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 24 January 2014 19: 12
              +5
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              If you look back all the time, the big question is where are you going.


              Back to the Future
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 24 January 2014 20: 28
                +1
                Quote: Vadivak
                Back to the Future

                In a spiral? Or in a circle?
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 24 January 2014 20: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  In a spiral? Or in a circle?


                  I think scientists lied
                  A puncture in them in theory, a cut:
                  Development is not spiraling
                  And at random, peddling, across the board.

                  V. Vysotsky, 1976

                  Which browser do you have? I look at the duplicates, delete ... and what a beautiful temple on a nick?
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 25 January 2014 09: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    Development does not go in a spiral, But at random, peddling, across the board.

                    Sorry, I didn’t think about throwing to the sides. laughing I have a military review on the explorer, for some reason I’ve been using Mozilla for a long time, but I don’t use Google. The temple (or rather, what is left of it) is the memory of my small homeland. And my browser is really buggy.
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          3. Current 72
            Current 72 25 January 2014 03: 30
            +2
            It was said this way: PEOPLE PREPARING FOR HIS HISTORY, DO NOT WORTH THE FUTURE!
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 25 January 2014 10: 01
              +1
              I think we need to put all the dots on the "and". Many people here have misunderstood me. I respect and remember the history of my country. And I consider the collapse of the USSR a big mistake. At least, my life there was not bad, I still miss that life. But I say again: "It is not possible to enter the same river twice!" We need to build a new country. Yes, with an eye to the past, but a new one! It's stupid to deny history, but you need to take only the good out of it in order to build a truly happy life.
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        2. Basarev
          Basarev 24 January 2014 21: 58
          0
          This is one of the main errors of thinking. The past can be returned. You need only a few simple things: will, strength and strategic thinking. Nothing affects history as much as a person.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 25 January 2014 09: 43
            +1
            Quote: Basarev
            . The past is possible to return

            I don’t remember who, said (not verbatim): history repeats itself twice, the first time as an event, the second time as a farce. So the question arises: is it worth it to arrange a farce?
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  3. kot11180
    kot11180 24 January 2014 15: 44
    +24
    I think the polls in Russia were carried out mainly in Moscow, but if for the country, then in general the vast majority would be for the Union.
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    2. ABV
      ABV 24 January 2014 16: 30
      +2
      No, the polls were most likely conducted all over the country - BUT by an amazing technique!
      As they usually write, 2 people were interviewed (for example) in 345 settlements of Russia. Like this!
      How many people from each city of the country ?????????????
      1. Tu-214R
        Tu-214R 24 January 2014 17: 17
        +2
        The poll may have been conducted in the countries of the former USSR, but only those who regret the collapse of the USSR, this older generation, who found that time, they will leave and no one will regret it. Young people there read a lot of comments (including here) about "Euro-Hohols", "Balts eat their own sprats, fascists", etc., and then we are surprised at the appropriate attitude towards us, Russians and Russia.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 24 January 2014 21: 18
          +1
          Quote: Tu-214P
          "Balts eat your sprats yourself, fascists"

          you still say that the Baltic states are not fascists ...

          Quote: Tu-214P
          "eurokhokhlov"

          and what is wrong with euro-crests? maybe in Kiev tire aliens burn?

          Quote: Tu-214P
          and then we are surprised at the corresponding attitude towards us, Russians and Russia.

          we are no longer surprised at anything ...
          we were already a kind older brother, we spat in the face ...
          propose to turn the other cheek?
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 24 January 2014 22: 01
          +7
          Personally, I did not find the USSR. But the gigantic collection of Soviet technical journals stored at home aroused at least respect and respect for the greatest country in me.
      2. Vasek
        Vasek 24 January 2014 18: 55
        0
        Quote: ABV
        No, the polls were most likely conducted all over the country - BUT by an amazing technique!


        According to the Russian Levada Center


        As you can see, the "pollsters" of dubious reputation ...
      3. 120352
        120352 24 January 2014 19: 25
        +3
        ABV
        You, apparently, were not born yet. I was 38 years old and I participated in the All-Union referendum. It was held in the form in which elections were held. It was necessary to come to the site and note in the newsletter whether you want to keep the Union or not. Only 2 points. The turnout was much higher than in any election. The fate of the country was being decided. But your fantasies - nothing to do with what was happening, have no relationship.
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 24 January 2014 17: 16
      +3
      Quote: kot11180
      I think the polls in Russia were conducted mainly in Moscow, but if for the country, then in general the vast majority would be for the Union

      A certain reason in your words is doubtless! Let us recall the almost 100-year history that occurred in Russia (more precisely, in Petrograd), first in February and then in October 1917.
    4. 120352
      120352 24 January 2014 19: 19
      +3
      Do you remember the All-Union referendum? More than 85% were for maintaining the Union. But Yeltsin did not care.
  4. Lk17619
    Lk17619 24 January 2014 15: 47
    +18
    But nostalgia will be, in socialism, the state takes care of a person, but in capitalism it is roughly used. This is where nostalgia comes from.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 24 January 2014 22: 03
      +2
      I heard stories about the Soviet Union bordering on legends. They said that in the evenings tired, but happy people returned from factories.
  5. slava7075
    slava7075 24 January 2014 15: 49
    +11
    Those families live for a long time who knows how to put up. need to start.
    1. Manager
      Manager 24 January 2014 15: 51
      +2
      Quote: slava7075
      Those families live for a long time who knows how to put up. need to start.


      I will say it differently. The family is not without a freak, but it's a family (Of course, I'm not talking about Russia)
  6. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 24 January 2014 15: 50
    +17
    Gorbachev, Gaidar and Dr. R. it’s not even a mistake of nature; it’s inhuman subhuman. Wow, such a small handful can ruin such a huge country. And why these mu.d.a.s. everyone was listening like that then. After all, they are really enemies of the people.
    1. smile
      smile 24 January 2014 17: 04
      +18
      REDBLUE
      If it weren’t for decades that the national question had been set ablaze from abroad for decades, into which not only propaganda was thrown, but also money and national cadres, not mistakes in it, the USSR would have made anything. Even lack of will and pathological stupidity and meanness of a hunchbacked ...
      Why did you listen? Look at our opposition, the Maydaun twin brothers - look at its ideological inspirers - after all, someone is listening ... and if anyone remembers, the perestroika acted under identical slogans - Down with corrupt party apparatchiks, down with the totalitarian regime, enough to spend money on the military-industrial complex and threaten the West, stop feeding the national suburbs, ... NOTHING has changed ... and the organizers are the same. That is precisely why when I see barrrans with a fanatical gleam in their eyes screaming in the swamp, I remember the same barrrans screaming at rallies in support of the Elbon .... and madness rolls over me ....

      Although no, there is one difference, the current opposition leaders are not at all shy about hanging around the American embassies. receive money from NGOs. or go directly to the USA for grants and speak there to senators, demanding to help them deal with totalitarian Putin .... previously they were somehow embarrassed to advertise it ... :)))

      And about the article I want to say the following. I am about Lithuania.
      Yes, the people really began to nostalgic ... but nostalgic for a good life. If it comes to reunification with Russia, the majority will vote against. Judge for yourself - the total comprehensive Russophobic propaganda could not bear fruit. A whole generation has grown up brought up on a lying nonsense about Russians, about the USSR and about Russia. A quarter of the population - a large half of the able-bodied - migrant workers in the West .... sometimes it is difficult to imagine how stupid they drove into their heads the misconceptions about history. Yes, and no one will give the people there to decide anything. The entire political elite is selective Russophobes, others are not allowed there ... and what can be expected from a country, more than half of whose presidents are Americans.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 24 January 2014 17: 28
        +8
        Quote: smile
        If it weren’t for decades that the national question had been set ablaze from abroad for decades, into which not only propaganda was thrown, but also money and national cadres, not mistakes in it, the USSR would have endured anything. Even lack of will and pathological stupidity and meanness of a hunchbacked.

        This is only one of the key moments in the collapse of the USSR (as in the time of almost a hundred years ago in the history of the Russian Empire - support for the collapse of the State by national elites).
        The main thing in the collapse of the USSR is the lack of a unifying idea. Belief in communism died somewhere simultaneously with the death of General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev. Further ascent to the political Olympus of the hunchback and his accomplices - Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, with the complete connivance of the collapse of the KGB and the rapidly emptying store shelves, and as a result - we are now "have" in full.
        1. smile
          smile 24 January 2014 17: 41
          +5
          11111mail.ru
          Perhaps I am inclined to agree with your addition, although if it were not for the national question, the Union would not have broken up into republics ... it would have been different, but there would have been no collapse. As I remember now, the perestroika painters painted how Russian heals freely. when they get rid of ballast and stop feeding the outskirts .... yeah, see.
          True, I would like to add that the belief in communism initially died mainly from the so-called new wave in the leadership of the USSR, the party and the Komsomol, which started perestroika, and from there the decay went to the people. And the KGB affected it too.
          You can write books about the reasons for the collapse of the Union - it is impossible to state everything in the framework of the comments.
          With empty shelves in general, a separate song, there is so much to write about the reasons ... I won’t even take it.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 24 January 2014 23: 26
            +3
            Quote: smile
            You can write books about the reasons for the collapse of the Union - it is impossible to state everything in the framework of the comments.

            They have long been published - Wang Chaowen's monograph "American Strategy for Peaceful Evolution", as well as the collective work "Lessons from Dramatic Changes in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe" (Ding Weiling, Li Dongyu, Zhao Lianzhang) analyze in detail the role of the West in the fall of the Soviet Union. Vladimir, hi !
            1. smile
              smile 25 January 2014 03: 56
              0
              Tersky
              For the first time I hear about this. Sources in the commemoration! I will definitely read it. Thank.
      2. Vasek
        Vasek 24 January 2014 19: 03
        0
        Quote: smile
        If it weren’t for decades that the national question had been set ablaze from abroad for decades, into which not only propaganda was thrown, but also money and national cadres, not mistakes in it, the USSR would have endured anything.

        The situation with the national question was much better than now (although it was far from ideal).
        Much more insidious was the imposition of their "values" and pseudo-freedoms.
        As correctly noted above:
        The people then seduced like Indians on jeans and Coke
        1. smile
          smile 24 January 2014 19: 54
          +3
          Vasek
          Yes, I agree .... I meant -
          1. The division of a single country on a national basis into republics made it possible, in an unfavorable situation, to fall apart. If a gun appears on the scene, it will certainly shoot. This is a very serious mistake, and if at the beginning it was justified. then no. The same applies to the right of republics to leave the USSR.
          2. I had in mind the last years of the existence of the USSR, when frantic Russophobic propaganda was allowed in the Republics, and the blatant lies about the history of the USSR were actively propagandized, which implicitly led the base to the fact that the evil Russians brazenly enslaved and occupied other peoples and countries and now before all must repent and pay everyone for everything.
          Now there is no such thing. Unless in Chechnya ... and it still comes back to us ... and then this was not in one republic but throughout the country, without exception. I remember that.
    2. 120352
      120352 24 January 2014 19: 27
      0
      Replace Gorbachev with Yeltsin and I agree with you.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 24 January 2014 22: 08
        0
        But both Gorbachev and Yeltsin are all from the same Einsatzgruppen
      2. gav6757
        gav6757 24 January 2014 23: 13
        +2
        If you hang both on one bit, none of the shit will outweigh !!!
        1. Current 72
          Current 72 25 January 2014 03: 42
          0
          If you hang both on one branch, then the branch will break, which happened to the USSR! But if you put them on the scales, then they will not outweigh each other! I think that you will agree with me.
  7. Wedmak
    Wedmak 24 January 2014 15: 51
    +12
    That is, the guys finally ate freedom and want to go back under the wing ??? With the speed with which the governments of the Baltic republics rushing towards Nazism, only a tank will stop them with a shot in the forehead. Posthumously. And they will turn back to Russia ... it's fantastic!
    And the United States will press on Russia and the Customs Union to the last to remain hegemony.
  8. sinukvl
    sinukvl 24 January 2014 15: 53
    +17
    Under Stalin, Judas like Gorbachev was called "ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE" and for them there was only one punishment - "VYSHKA". And in all other countries, if a citizen of a country does (or tries to do) what Marked, he will not be patted on the head, he will be "soldered" according to the country's legislation in full.
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 24 January 2014 17: 50
      +9
      Quote: sinukvl
      Under Stalin, Judas like Gorbachev was called "ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE"

      We look forward to hope and believe.
    2. 120352
      120352 24 January 2014 19: 29
      +2
      Gorbachev was already replaced by Yeltsin. With him, and demand.
      1. catapractic
        catapractic 24 January 2014 22: 15
        +1
        BOREAU needed power at all costs; he was ready to sell anything for it.
    3. stariy
      stariy 24 January 2014 20: 23
      +1
      Quote: sinukvl
      Under Stalin, Judas like Gorbachev was called "ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE" and for them there was only one punishment - "VYSHKA".

      Look Snowden for less from amers tower karyachit!
  9. pts-m
    pts-m 24 January 2014 15: 54
    +3
    later caught on. now that is, with what to compare. but alas, there is no turning back.
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith 24 January 2014 16: 04
      +5
      ... on the hundredth turn of an endless spiral ...

      There is always a way, and most likely at some round everything will happen again, it would be better early. wink
    2. Arhj
      Arhj 24 January 2014 16: 15
      +6
      "Even if you are eaten, you have at least two ways out" (c). So here, if not for a single country, then there is a chance for an alliance. Nostalgic people on the other side of the border have no will.
      1. Maverick78
        Maverick78 24 January 2014 16: 29
        +21
        There is no will, but a leader. A self-organizing people is a big story. Yesterday I proved it to my maydanutomu friend. When I left, he sat and thoughtfully choked up a turnip. And the conversation began with the fact that he decided to recruit me into fans of the Maidan.
        You, sitting in Russia, talk too freely about what is good and what is bad. What did you personally do to change the situation in the country under Yeltsin? I do not consider Putin the savior of Russia, but even you didn’t choose him / knocked out yourself. If Putin had not appeared, you would still be sitting under some sort of Khodorkovsky / Gusinsky and would have blamed them on websites, and only if you had not been punished for this.
        I am not a supporter of Ukraine joining Russia, there are no conditions for this. But I have always been against such idiotic relations between our countries, I am for a coordinated foreign policy, for opposing Western liberal "values" and for active economic cooperation. Like me, most likely the majority, but we have nowhere to go. Go to "anti-Maidan" and support gandona Yanukovych with the gang? He doesn’t have that kind of money to pull me there. Go against Yanyk - support this trio of buggers. Fucking vicious circle ... tired.
        And then there you are, as smart as a Jewish wife later.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 January 2014 16: 52
          +10
          Like me most likely, but we have nowhere to go.

          That is, you are just like us, sitting on the president’s Internet and government, the government, the opposition and others, but you can’t do anything? So how are we then different from you?
          Maybe the fact that we have chosen the best president possible? Say, Medvedev was chosen only because other alternatives were simply deadly for the country. Therefore, having unwound his term, he left for the government. Too soft. And Putin .. that Putin, at least he has a tough logic in actions, supported by the people course of development of the country. And if they put sticks in the wheels, then here we’re sorry, our local showdowns.
          But I still hope that the majority of the Ukrainian people will not support this Maidan and its participants. Otherwise, a civil war awaits you.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 24 January 2014 17: 00
            +5
            And I never said that we are better. But I often hear ... "here you have just a scribe, you are weak-willed, you cannot choose the one you need, let alone us, here we are just handsome, what kind of Putin we have found for ourselves." I exaggerated somewhat, but the meaning, I think, is clear.
            How to choose the best president possible when he simply does not exist?
            None of these gandons am (Moderator) does not consider Ukraine as its own state. We have many pro-Western politicians, some pro-Russian, and absolutely no pro-Ukrainian.
            How would you feel about the pro-Ukrainian president of Russia? Would you support him?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 24 January 2014 17: 17
              +13
              Well, with the West you are not on the way, I think everyone has already seen it? Ukraine itself as a state .. well, no way. Excuse me. Well, you don’t have a saving log (like our oil and gas) for independent swimming.
              But it is worth remembering that Russia and Ukraine have always walked together, it was actually a single state and people. We need you, and we need you. Is it worth denying? And if our countries switched roles, I would only be for the pro-Ukrainian president. Because one way or another, only Russia will pull you out of the swamp where your government has led you.
              Nobody needs you anymore. Is it just like a springboard for NATO bases.
              1. Alexei
                Alexei 24 January 2014 17: 59
                +1
                Quote: Wedmak
                Well, with the West you are not on the way, I think everyone has already seen it?

                Yes sucks were convinced. Everyone at Yanyka sins. Well, like that, with garlic, what could he do without having any power or economic influence on politics? If they moved away from the east, and in the west everyone deeply feels for the welfare of Ukraine, well, really spit it out, and Yanyk apparently thought not.
                1. Maverick78
                  Maverick78 24 January 2014 19: 58
                  +3
                  Yanyk and the gang in power were ONLY stuffing their own pockets. His son became a billionaire in a few years.
                  You are justifying him now because he has not entered the EU. But if they had given him enough money, he would have surrendered Ukraine without blinking an eye.
                  1. Ivan.
                    Ivan. 25 January 2014 02: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Maverick78
                    Yanyk and the gang in power were ONLY stuffing their own pockets.

                    And Julia, what was she doing? In the 90s, I didn’t know anything about her, I looked a long time ago as if on a Julia’s box (the one with the scythe) began to broadcast -
                    I have built a harmonious business and now I want to help you! - since then she has died for me as a person.
                    At the same time, I knew that her "harmonious" is skimming the cream from the gas pipe and at the same time she stupidly fell into big politics and the people began to almost idolize her heroine.
            2. alexbg2
              alexbg2 24 January 2014 17: 27
              +13
              Quote: Maverick78
              ... How would you feel about the pro-Ukrainian president of Russia? Would you support him?

              And I would support the pro-Belarus president now, without hesitation for a minute.
            3. S-200
              S-200 24 January 2014 20: 25
              +2
              Quote: Maverick78
              How to choose the best president possible when he simply does not exist?

              Rurik Lukashenko - call me! fellow
              and peace and stability will be for you ..
              the best Slav ruler for Ukrainian political situeviny not to find now!
            4. 225chay
              225chay 25 January 2014 08: 17
              0
              Quote: Maverick78
              How would you feel about the pro-Ukrainian president of Russia? Would you support him?


              Unified Church President would support with all limbs
          2. ekzorsist
            ekzorsist 26 January 2014 20: 16
            0
            Quote: Wedmak
            That is, you are just like us, sitting on the president’s Internet and government, the government, the opposition and others, but you can’t do anything? So how are we then different from you?
            Maybe the fact that we have chosen the best president possible? Say, Medvedev was chosen only because other alternatives were simply deadly for the country. Therefore, having unwound his term, he left for the government. Too soft. And Putin .. that Putin, at least he has a tough logic in actions, supported by the people course of development of the country.

            Then I agree with the above ... and here's why -
            even in the same Central Asian region, where there is really no state policy in the republics, except for "plunder and steal - the titular nation !!!" if Russia had shown a firm will ... then everything would have gone differently, completely differently. BUT!?! at the moment we have what we have. The same Cossacks in Kazakhstan at first were for reunification with Russia, but now -? Just who they bought, who were lured away for candy wrappers ... and that's it, the same adherents of Russia have become big lovers of the independence of Kazakhstan.
            But it was not so difficult to defend the Russian-speaking population and, based on historical borders, introduce a military contingent and all this "incomprehensible Central Asia" would shut up once and for all with its great-power snobbery and dreams of a medieval khanate.
            But they didn’t want to either ... So, hoping for support from Russia at the moment is just utopia.
            Even here on the site, look at how the Kazakhs are pushing their own together, pay attention to the "plus" and "minus" ... how a flock rushes for the cry of one with the same cries and it doesn't matter if he is right or wrong, but we are Russians only trynd and neither can we learn the same.
        2. Sergh
          Sergh 24 January 2014 17: 19
          +7
          Quote: Maverick78
          Fucking vicious circle ... tired

          Yes, men, in the hit !? I can only sympathize from Siberia. Just do not let these three for the sake of God, otherwise it’s a pitchfork ...
        3. Alexei
          Alexei 24 January 2014 17: 27
          +6
          Quote: Maverick78
          If Putin hadn’t appeared, you would still be sitting under some kind of Khodorkovsky / Gusinsky and would have blamed them on websites, and only if you had not been punished for this

          Seriously? Do you really think so? I am sure that in this case there would have been a civil war, and the army, which was starving at that time, would have sided with the people, and the police (which did not even have gasoline in the UAZ to call them to go) would also have sided with the people. What kind of people, you ask? Yes, everything, except for the leaders you listed and their welds. You do not understand one truth, when you come home from a strike, and at home hungry children's eyes look at you - there is nothing to endure, there is nothing to lose, and there were tens of millions of such people at that time. Putin is not a savior. And who is the savior? After all, by some miracle it became easier to live? Are we free to argue "what is good and what is bad"? What do you think! No matter how sad it was to you to hear, but Russia rules. Putin is some kind of compassionate, another would have waited 2-3 years, they themselves would have asked to be an allies, choking on a credit Eureka. I consider Ukraine to be Russia, and Ukrainians as brothers and sisters, but when you sometimes listen to some independent gentlemen who say "there is no choice," I just want them to find it themselves.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 24 January 2014 19: 43
            +9
            But there was no war .... you did not go to it. Then they put Putin. I read from someone of yours that Putin was set up just to prevent GV. He was given a certain range of powers in foreign policy, but was seriously limited in some ways. I would be glad to make a mistake. I don’t understand why you still have people like Chubais, Germans and the like. For what they did with Russia in the 90s, at least a life sentence can be given. So yes ... some kind of compassionate one)
            Until Russia steers still far away, while only taxis .. Although I absolutely would not regret to hear that you "steer". You will steer when you restore the PRODUCING industry, not the extractive industry and you will not depend on the demand for oil and gas. By the way, I very much wish you this, otherwise it’s dumb, if they’ve pushed you down too, it’ll be very difficult to choose.
            But I do not consider Ukraine to be Russia) Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are parts of Russia, and not parts of each other.
            If someday the population of these parts finds a way to agree on the creation of a common state - Russia, then I will only welcome this. In the meantime, according to your political scientist, neither you nor we are ready for this. First you need to learn how to live peacefully, without all kinds of provocations against each other.
    3. 120352
      120352 24 January 2014 19: 32
      +2
      There is a way. He even rehearsed 97 years ago.
      1. Woodoo
        Woodoo 25 January 2014 00: 01
        -2
        A little bit later.
        Stalin is a counter-revolutionary statesman.
        And before that, a bloody guro. Moreover, there was a February revolution of the same year. Then the first attempt at globalization under the banner of the Comintern.
  10. predator.3
    predator.3 24 January 2014 15: 55
    +8
    Most of all Gallup experts were struck by a cut of opinions in Ukraine and Moldova. In the “Square”, contrary to the Maidan, 56% of respondents have a negative attitude to the disappearance of a single great country,


    It took Moldovans 20 years and all other peoples of the USSR to understand that they had raped them in the early 90s in full! Well, just like in a song:
    Lieutenant Golitsyn, or maybe we will return,
    Why do we, the lieutenant, need foreign land?
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 24 January 2014 17: 12
      +5
      Quote: predator.3
      It took Moldovans 20 years and all other peoples of the USSR to understand that they had raped them in the early 90s in full

      I do not agree, by 2000 the majority had already formed an "oil painting" and the fact that such a "low" percentage is due to the change of generations. During the referendum, the percentage was twice as high. In another 20-30 years, this percentage will decrease by 1.5, 2 times ...
      By the way, in Moldova, at least one collective farm has been preserved (a large village of 10-12 thousand people). smile
      Republican festival of pioneers and schoolchildren in 1956
    2. demel2
      demel2 24 January 2014 17: 50
      +6
      That is, you want to say that Ukraine was raped by Moldova, but you and I weren’t raped by that? IMHO we were all raped, something like that.
  11. polkownik1
    polkownik1 24 January 2014 15: 56
    +13
    Somehow everything is modest, everything is according to Western experts ... Isn't it time, given the state of our affairs, to conduct a full-scale and open survey in Russia? Let it not be about a return to the USSR, but about the transition to a planned economy, state regulation of the main processes and the nationalization of leading enterprises by industry. Provided the government changes, of course, to a really professional one. The rest of the "former" and themselves will quickly catch up to us ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 January 2014 16: 03
      -2
      What did not please the current government and the current model of the economy? Not everything is smooth of course, but production opens up, industries come to life. It is difficult to overcome the 20-year collapse.
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 24 January 2014 16: 14
        +6
        Quote: Wedmak
        What did not please you the current government and the current model of the economy

        But how can I like the commodity economy and the government adopting anti-people laws ?? request
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 January 2014 16: 22
          0
          And how can I like the commodity economy

          There are other options? I’ll answer, so be it - there is, and they are being laid right now. This technology parks, and the purchase of production licenses, and joint production and much more. But .. it’s not now, but in the near future.
          anti-people government

          I am not a fan of the government, not United Russia, and in general I have a distant relationship with politics. What specific laws do you think are anti-people?
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 24 January 2014 18: 53
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            There are other options? I’ll answer, so be it - there is,

            I know what is, but we are talking about what is now.
            Quote: Wedmak
            What specific laws do you think are anti-people?

            The law on monetization of benefits, on housing and communal services, education, health care, on minimum wages, pension reform, the special powers of the Social Insurance Fund, so what am I crucifying for you here. Have you fallen from the moon?
      2. a52333
        a52333 24 January 2014 16: 17
        +12
        It's clear. But mining must be state owned. Nobody is against private traders, let them make furniture, knit socks, grow crops. But booty, sorry.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 January 2014 16: 27
          +1
          But mining must be state owned.

          Then I agree. Minerals are increasingly claiming a strategic resource. And still far to thermonuclear batteries.
        2. Vasek
          Vasek 24 January 2014 19: 14
          +2
          Quote: a52333
          But mining must be state owned.


          good
          As well as all strategic production (not just the defense industry) and fundamental science.

          Quote: a52333
          Nobody is against private traders, let them make furniture, knit socks, grow crops.
          1. a52333
            a52333 25 January 2014 01: 47
            0
            Well, if deployed, then the defense industry too.
            1. Current 72
              Current 72 25 January 2014 04: 01
              +1
              Well, if expanded, then first think it over, and then write here.
      3. demel2
        demel2 24 January 2014 18: 13
        +1
        Yes, I agree that some crumbs are opened and they pass us, but you just figure out how much money it was cn ... but also exported over the hill at least for the last 10-12 years. For this money, a lot of things could be done for the country, and Do not sit on MadeanoNas right now and enjoy every 20-seat kindergarten and every tortured plane. So this model of economy is just for you.
        .
    2. demel2
      demel2 24 January 2014 17: 56
      +1
      What do you offer is a direct path to a civil war, or do you think this pack will give you what you got because we ask them? Blessed is he who believes.
      1. stariy
        stariy 24 January 2014 20: 48
        0
        Quote: demel2
        Do you think this pack will give you what you got because we ask them?

        It’s interesting, but if it suddenly flares up who harnesses for them ????
  12. Cetegg
    Cetegg 24 January 2014 16: 03
    +3
    Well, how can they not be bored, if they were kissed in the ass before, but now these "Europeans" are not needed by anyone!)))
  13. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 24 January 2014 16: 05
    +10
    Lithuania and Moldova, and maybe come back?

    Maybe not" ?
    No.
    .............................
    And here:
    Restore the STRONG Union: Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan (the way even these will be separate states as in the EU).
    And the rest of the "willing" - to take on a strict competition.

    But this is welcome. AND is quite real. (The Customs Union is the first step)
    The flag is the same:
    1. a52333
      a52333 24 January 2014 16: 23
      +7
      Yes, and the USSR Anthem than bad?
    2. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 24 January 2014 16: 39
      +2
      Flag is the same

      Everything is fine, Alexey, they said. But here the flag will be ideologically and ideologically obsolete whatever one may say
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 24 January 2014 17: 45
        +8
        Quote: Aleks tv
        To restore a STRONG Union: Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan ... the rest of the "willing" - to accept according to strict competition

        Well what can I say, for a long time, I would not think ..., I am "FOR". Even the flag would have been left, just so that the enemies from anger erased molars to gums.
    3. AntonR7
      AntonR7 24 January 2014 18: 49
      -4
      No, the current Russian flag is better.
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 24 January 2014 21: 13
        -2
        I’m closer to Andreevsky.
        1. AntonR7
          AntonR7 25 January 2014 18: 28
          0
          Andreevsky is not good at arguing, but he is naval, and for the whole country the current flag is the very same, after all, it appeared before Peter the Great under Alexei Mikhailovich. Because of this I really consider Russian.
    4. family tree
      family tree 24 January 2014 21: 10
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      The flag is the same:


      good
      1. alone
        alone 25 January 2014 01: 12
        0
        what To dream of restoring the Union is certainly not bad, but in reality it is an almost impossible task. For 23 years, almost all countries have been weakened to poverty. You cannot create a strong state with the weak.
  14. samoletil18
    samoletil18 24 January 2014 16: 09
    +12
    There was a great country. Strong Army and Navy. Powerful economy. Advanced science. Her enemies were external. And the internal enemy — small cattle in power — destroyed the country. And interestingly, no one has punished them yet. Who is in power now on 15 fragments of our Motherland?
  15. bpa1949
    bpa1949 24 January 2014 16: 11
    -4
    Well, where we do not
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 16: 38
      +2
      Quote: bpa1949
      Well, where we do not

      Probably wonderful in geirop.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 January 2014 16: 52
        0
        This is an exception to the rule!
      2. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 24 January 2014 17: 03
        -1
        Probably wonderful in geirop

        Well, Galey, or not, but in Europe, even after the 2008 crisis, it’s just amazing, albeit a little expensive. Of course, I have to work a lot. However, the social sphere is all at a level to which, alas, Russia is growing and growing, medicine is at the highest level. And by the way, there are very few gays there, the people are more traditional, although most do not think about children. And all this dregs, they say because of gays in Europe, can’t breathe - a complete bullshit. It’s like we are struggling with drunkenness, just talking on the box and in the State Duma, and there - there are homosexuals, as well as many where, but all the disinformation about some kind of courts-disputes-political correctness-this is disinformationand not even a mistake or desire to draw attention
        1. Andrey Ulyanovsky
          Andrey Ulyanovsky 24 January 2014 17: 38
          +3
          Here you are wrong. Every year I send my daughter and grandmother to Greece. Last spring we went - everything is ok. In the autumn, on the beach of Crete, my grandmother did not know where to go from her granddaughter's questions "Why do uncles kiss". Apparently now you will have to first communicate with the "host".
          1. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 24 January 2014 19: 27
            -6
            You know, on any beach there is a beach for nudists ... Explain to your daughter heart nudism, not its external side.
            I do not protect homosexuals, but I want reasonable views, and not throwing poop at anyone who wants to look at this problem rationally. It's not about fagots, but in the very souls - Marketing [Trading], how to properly teach the goods.
            By the way! Why does almost any discussion boil down to homosexuals? I don't argue that homosexuality negatively affects demographics. However, Hannibal, a Carthaginian commander, not a little known to you, gave his "flower of youth" to his uncle. And the inventor of the Internet Alan Turing [and he was noted by Queen Elizabeth II of England] was generally homosexual, in the literal sense of the word. And who will refuse to use the Internet or Hannibal's military achievements?
            1. Andrey Ulyanovsky
              Andrey Ulyanovsky 24 January 2014 21: 08
              +2
              It was an ordinary (everyone - daughter says) beach. I would not talk about this phenomenon for a hundred years, the problem is that this is becoming the norm for Europe and places of public recreation, unfortunately. With generals - God be with them, they do not judge the winners, but there is more an exception than a rule.
              Understand that they want to be blue, purple or gray - even if separately (on a separate beach, island) they all propagandize it, introduce it and so as (s). I don’t want me or my daughter, or simply unprepared for this ... movement to a person this is OPEN demonstrated.
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 24 January 2014 17: 31
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Probably wonderful in geirop

        It yours opinion?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 January 2014 17: 50
          0
          Quote: 11111mail.ru
          It is your opinion?

          What kind of nonsense are you writing me the second comment in a row? Go relax in the end and leave me alone.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 24 January 2014 19: 48
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What kind of nonsense are you writing me the second comment in a row?

            KAKova quote - such is the comment ...
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 24 January 2014 19: 09
      +1
      Quote: bpa1949
      Well, where we do not

      About you - you definitely noticed it.
  16. askort154
    askort154 24 January 2014 16: 12
    +6
    The worst thing, in my opinion, is the change of human values. Efficiency, friendliness and mutual respect
    socially equal, patriotism was the basis of society. Now social inequality has shown how it is possible
    to trample the past sharply. Morality and spirituality gave way to debauchery, thirst for profit.
    not a friend and brother, but, at best, a passer-by. The motto: "there are no friends in business" has become a measure of human relations in modern society.
    1. muhomor
      muhomor 24 January 2014 17: 08
      +1
      That's right. Being determines consciousness. I don’t remember who said it, but there was a smart person.
    2. askarlad
      askarlad 29 January 2014 02: 53
      +1
      On the fragments of the once great state of the USSR, we got a bunch of states with their vile nationalists!
  17. Smith
    Smith 24 January 2014 16: 14
    +3
    Normul! I personally am not against unification. In the USSR they lived much calmer and more fun.
  18. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 24 January 2014 16: 14
    +4
    Independence is expensive. It should be primarily military and economic, i.e. the ability of a country or a certain territory to successfully develop independently of other countries - territories. With the emergence of real independence, it would be necessary to destroy such independence among others (yes, Anglo-Saxons) so that your goods and services sell better.
  19. AVV
    AVV 24 January 2014 16: 24
    +3
    Quote: Lk17619
    But nostalgia will be, in socialism, the state takes care of a person, but in capitalism it is roughly used. This is where nostalgia comes from.

    The main achievement of the USSR, that there was no such stratification of the population by income, was a shortage in stores, because the West tried to impose sanctions against the USSR, but everyone had refrigerators and they could get the right thing! Free education, medicine and work for everyone, even university graduates were guaranteed! There were no such crooks as Chubais, Berezovsky, Polonsky !!! Bodies looked for and punished !!! There was no wild capitalism, but a real social state !!! If at that time not Gorbachev appeared with his perestroika and an anti-alcohol company, we would not lose those 20 years, but would far outstrip both China and America in our development !!!
    1. urganov
      urganov 29 January 2014 01: 20
      -1
      Quote: AVV
      There was no wild capitalism, but a real social state !!


      YES, yes, with sales norms, coupons for the purchase of essentials from trade union committees, and special buffets and special distributors of these goods "for everyone" ...

      You know, young man, tell your slogans, fairy tales to younger people, and not to those who lived in those days.
      1. Slavon76
        Slavon76 30 January 2014 13: 33
        0
        Remind me, please, when did the coupons appear?
  20. Havoc
    Havoc 24 January 2014 16: 25
    +8
    The paradox, in those days, we all understood that we are different (of different nationalities), but not strangers. We have never been aliens. The community of people is the Soviet people.
  21. Jackyun
    Jackyun 24 January 2014 16: 27
    +16
    Everything is not as simple as it seems to some. Yes, the USSR produced everything from baby strollers to moon rovers, but those who lived during the Soviet era remember how poor these strollers were (by the way, the moon rovers were magnificent), the dull uniformity of Soviet knitwear, shoes and much more that determine the life of a person. Remember the shortage of foods and the coffee drink from barley. Obstacles to travel to Bulgaria (the country of the socialist camp), not to mention the now adored Turkey, and a car as a luxury item. But there was delicious soda in vending machines for 3 kopecks (the syrup was natural, not chemical, as it is now), and funky pies with real jam for 10 kopecks (the size of a burdock), and there was a free education, including a higher education, by the way one of the best in the world. Then diplomas did not hatch, it was necessary to study, otherwise a kick in the ass. And the southern coast of Crimea was more accessible than a bench in a neighboring park. Yes, there were those who were more even among equals, but they crawled into the shade and did not bend their fingers, because these fingers then quickly broke. The first secretary of the city committee lived in my next five-story building (the Soviet people understand what kind of a lump this is). And there weren’t there any boorish mutteries and privatization of the yard. And, most interestingly, the police were not visible on the streets and walked quietly at night with the girls. And now sprinkle with dust at least, and in the evening it's scary to go outside.
    Something like that.
    Hunchback, he is of course a bastard for sale, but the country is out of date ... are the old feathers ... who fell into insanity due to old age and we ourselves, together shouted "approvals!"
    1. family tree
      family tree 24 January 2014 16: 56
      +5
      Quote: Jackyun
      And the southern coast of Crimea was more accessible than a bench in a neighboring park.

      Come on. At the end of the institute, after defending and passing training camps in the military department, they rushed with a friend to the North Caucasus, to Lazarevskoye for a week. There was a four-month stipu in the wallet, for a month of study and three months of fees, 226 rubles were enough. winked
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 24 January 2014 18: 00
        +1
        Quote: perepilka
        226 rubles, enough

        As I remember right now, Novosibirsk-Semferopol = 76 rubles ticket for an airplane.
        1. 120352
          120352 24 January 2014 21: 46
          0
          Something is a little expensive. Leningrad - Magadan 164 rubles.
  22. Suhov
    Suhov 24 January 2014 16: 39
    +2
    Most of all Gallup experts were struck by a cut of opinions in Ukraine and Moldova. In the “Square”, contrary to the Maidan, 56% of respondents have a negative attitude to the disappearance of a single great country, and only 23% see this as a benefit.

    23% of respondents - to the surgeon!
  23. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 24 January 2014 16: 41
    +3
    In my opinion, the main pain is that they almost endured. Many who were born in the USSR simply did not have time to grow up, the generation did not have time to change. Everyone with whom I ran in the yard was proud of the USSR and would have slammed anyone who at least hinted at him badly. We even lived in it when it was gone. ... Then they grew up, the majority remained only longing, others became embittered that they did not wait for them (as if he were a living person and not an abbreviation of the USSR).
  24. your1970
    your1970 24 January 2014 16: 45
    +1
    Quote: Jackyun
    Everything is not as simple as it seems to some. Yes, the USSR produced everything from baby strollers to moon rovers, but those who lived during the Soviet era remember how poor these strollers were (by the way, the moon rovers were magnificent), the dull uniformity of Soviet knitwear, shoes and much more that determine the life of a person. Remember the shortage of foods and the coffee drink from barley. Obstacles to travel to Bulgaria (the country of the socialist camp), not to mention the now adored Turkey, and a car as a luxury item. But there was delicious soda in vending machines for 3 kopecks (the syrup was natural, not chemical, as it is now), and funky pies with real jam for 10 kopecks (the size of a burdock), and there was a free education, including a higher education, by the way one of the best in the world. Then diplomas did not hatch, it was necessary to study, otherwise a kick in the ass. And the southern coast of Crimea was more accessible than a bench in a neighboring park. Yes, there were those who were more even among equals, but they crawled into the shade and did not bend their fingers, because these fingers then quickly broke. The first secretary of the city committee lived in my next five-story building (the Soviet people understand what kind of a lump this is). And there weren’t there any boorish mutteries and privatization of the yard. And, most interestingly, the police were not visible on the streets and walked quietly at night with the girls. And now sprinkle with dust at least, and in the evening it's scary to go outside.
    Something like that.
    Hunchback, he is of course a bastard for sale, but the country is out of date ... are the old feathers ... who fell into insanity due to old age and we ourselves, together shouted "approvals!"

    it was really calmer - for 22 years of life under socialism there were 3 (THREE !!!) criminal murders and one big theft in the State Bank (chief accountant tyril), only in the last year -6 cases of stabbing (for the same, in principle, 20 years under capitalism such hundreds of cases !!)
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 24 January 2014 17: 07
      +1
      His, not everyone talks about everything. In the USSR there were no drugs and drug addiction. And in Kyrgyzstan alone, in 1993-1995 there were so many opiate drug addicts registered that it’s even scary to think how many people looked for their happiness in the 90s throughout the Immense
      1. urganov
        urganov 29 January 2014 01: 27
        0
        Sorry, but in 1976 in the Rostov region, as in other southern regions, there were already a large number of Nariks, though mostly anashists, in the local slang: Dodiki. It was in that year that he moved there from Chelyabinsk.
  25. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 24 January 2014 16: 51
    0
    Something about Poland is nothing, probably the majority there are very happy to get rid of socialism.
    1. S-200
      S-200 24 January 2014 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Something about Poland is nothing, probably the majority there are very happy to get rid of socialism.

      Poland as it was jackal Europe, with its gentry arrogance, is still in this skin ....
  26. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 24 January 2014 16: 53
    -3
    Eh, the author is a young fellow, but I minus an article from harm.
    There is no normal picture of Moldova and Lithuania, but obviously the author didn’t bother, so the name and essence do not agree.
    As for the content ... 20 years have passed, not communism with socialism, under which it is NECESSARY to work, will not unite people. The force, even if real, will not unite, let us recall Machiavelli, which was fully confirmed in all the uprisings in the countries of the socialist camp, and even more so the war in Afghanistan.
    No, people will be united or a common desire to "live better" right now, this second. Or again, the desire to live better, but besides having some kind of "idea" for narcissism, they say, look, we are not living in vain.
  27. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 24 January 2014 16: 54
    0
    Regrets about the collapse of the USSR and the desire to return to the USSR are very different concepts! I’m not sure that 51% of the population wants and is ready to recreate the Soviet Union.
    1. jjj
      jjj 24 January 2014 18: 53
      0
      Yes, the majority, honestly, will not want to part with their foreign car, annual trips to the Turkish sea, night parties in clubs, freedom of Internet communication, and indeed just put the device on everything
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    3. Cpa
      Cpa 24 January 2014 21: 30
      +2
      It’s just that, if for purity, those who yearn for the USSR in the former republics do not believe that Russia, in its present form, has enough power to revive this colossus. The former socialists of the republic do not believe in our leadership. They think that with our power, oligarchy and type the economies will have them, and they will turn into the Kremlin for subsidies, instead of the general development of the post-Soviet space. A competent socialist with an intelligent team and cast-iron nerves is needed, and all the neighbors will be happy to return.
  28. Oh no no no
    Oh no no no 24 January 2014 17: 00
    +14
    In the Union they sucked a boobs, and in Europe - a pussy. Did you feel the difference?
    1. asadov
      asadov 24 January 2014 17: 37
      +4
      rude but very accurate
  29. Mercenary
    Mercenary 24 January 2014 17: 04
    +2
    So what? interrogated, surprised, sad. that they didn’t save, weeping.
  30. kind
    kind 24 January 2014 17: 05
    +1
    Eastern Europe yearns for the social camp

    They lived in socialism, they didn’t value it, now they pity it. From good, they do not seek good. What values ​​did they want to join? Lenin was right about rotting capitalism; he did not mean economics, but society. Now the rotten west is stinking with might and main sodomy. Christian values ​​are trampled, churches in Europe are closed, the pope has deprived the dignity of about 400 pederast priests. In Russia, thank God, a different morality! In my opinion, in the foreseeable future, European countries will still face Russia.
  31. Navy7981
    Navy7981 24 January 2014 17: 06
    +5
    "The damage that one man brought to the Soviet Union is beyond assessment !!" I agree with you, but alas, one person, with all his feeble mind and cunning, could not destroy the USSR. And not only the West put its strength to this. Almost all of our rulers of that time did everything possible and not possible for this. Illiteracy, incompetence, inability to understand what is happening, what needs to be changed, what to leave, etc. showed how "Cook" can run the state. It was they who sold both us and the country for 30 pieces of silver. And after the collapse, the former faithful Leninists tore apart everything that had been accumulated by generations. So only one of the figures is labeled
  32. muhomor
    muhomor 24 January 2014 17: 13
    -1
    Gos. forum users! Something most of us are nostalgic for the USSR. Many have Soviet flags. And let's vote in the elections for the Communists. It's time to change the ruling elite. I believe that the nomenclature of power should be changed every 10-12 years.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 24 January 2014 17: 28
      +4
      Quote: muhomor
      And let's vote in the elections for the Communists.

      Boris, but for what?

      Personally, I (Orthodox) have a CPSU membership card still stored.
      But I vote for the Communist Party ... not a...
      request
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 24 January 2014 18: 56
        0
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Personally, I (Orthodox) have a CPSU membership card still stored.

        Alex, one question. How can a power be pumped up if there are about 18 million members in a party?
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 24 January 2014 19: 15
          0
          Quote: Karabin
          Alex, one question. How can a power be pumped up if there are about 18 million members in a party?

          Is this a question for an ordinary party member and for a young, green lieutenant?
          Then this question is for me. (I have no "stamps" on the payment of contributions even for one year).
          - Answer: FUCK KNOWS HOW.
          I served at that time. Served honestly and intermittently received "inflationary" kopecks. And he didn't whine. And he didn't get into politics.

          ps "The wisest" scientists write thousands of pages to answer this question, and you want me to blurt out the truth in a few words ???
          The business had to be dealt with, as we were then in the units ... and not me in the offices, but in the squares and at rallies, scratching ... and no one and nothing would "pump."
          1. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 24 January 2014 19: 30
            0
            It was necessary to do business, as we were then in parts

            Please tell us more about business?
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 24 January 2014 19: 52
              +2
              Quote: Alex_Popovson
              Please tell us more about business?

              Each - his own, which he was assigned to the post.
              Soldiers - Serve in good faith.
              Officers - clearly command.
              Generals - give intelligible Orders.
              Supreme - think about your state. (this is an example about the Army)

              I, the namesake, am not ashamed of my lieutenant epaulets when the Union fell apart.
              He served as taught, carried out the order.
              For example, in the GKChP he was on guard and did not allow anyone to go to ANY WAREHOUSE, although there were dozens of "willing" behind the fence. (and ALL survived on both sides).
              Continue to continue? Browse through my komenty.

              What were you doing then? I don’t run over, I just ask ...
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      3. vovan1949
        vovan1949 24 January 2014 20: 46
        -3
        I have always voted and will vote for the Communists. Someone may not like Zyuganov, then write why?
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 24 January 2014 23: 03
          0
          Zyuganov, like Duncan MacLeod, will probably live for about 500 years - no less ... As they say, one is more alive than all the living .. In my opinion, over the past 20 years he has even changed little outwardly ...
          That is what it seems to me that the Communists have always lacked both under the USSR and now so are the ability to modernize and update !!! Something in their party is everything as always - graveyard stability and even no one can brush away the dust from the leadership :)))
        2. urganov
          urganov 29 January 2014 01: 37
          0
          had the opportunity to observe him personally, and his surroundings and working methods from 93 to 96 years. Penguin is not better than the rest commies in power. The Moscow party (cell), or what they should have been called at that moment, evoked much greater respect then.
          But the intrigue and venality of "Pope Zu" for the sake of the sole representation of the communists in politics and around the authorities ..... (further unprintable)
    2. kind
      kind 24 January 2014 17: 31
      +4
      Something most of us are nostalgic for the USSR. Many have Soviet flags. And let's vote in the elections for the Communists.

      NO I will not vote for the current Communists.
    3. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 24 January 2014 17: 34
      +5
      The young man. The flags are not because they are nostalgic, but because they were born before the collapse of the country. I’m soon 53 and I did not select my flag.
    4. alexbg2
      alexbg2 24 January 2014 17: 39
      0
      Quote: muhomor
      ... And let's vote in the elections for the Communists. It's time to change the ruling elite. I believe that the nomenclature of power should be changed every 10-12 years.

      If they were, maybe they could vote for them, but for the current .... alas.
      The victory of the present, this is another redistribution of access to the feeder, no more.
    5. Ivan.
      Ivan. 24 January 2014 17: 41
      +2




      Quote: muhomor
      I believe that the nomenclature of power should be changed every 10-12 years

      It is not necessary to change according to the schedule, but to create a replacement mechanism as necessary. A show called an election to review.
      Nostalgia for the USSR and not for party nomenclature, here, too, the concept needs to be revised.
      1. 120352
        120352 24 January 2014 21: 53
        +1
        And Peter I generally proposed to chop heads of governors once every three years without trial.
    6. Djozz
      Djozz 24 January 2014 17: 57
      +1
      Vote for Mr. Zyuganov! Sorry, this is a Kremlin product for releasing steam.
      1. BOB48
        BOB48 24 January 2014 20: 52
        0
        not a pair of gases!
    7. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 24 January 2014 18: 16
      +5
      Quote: muhomor
      And let's vote in the elections for the Communists. It's time to change the ruling elite.

      In 1996, the communists actually won the elections. But Yeltsin is in power again. Why did not these "communists" defend their victory? Were they bought or were they scared? No, you can't cook porridge with such a batch. They have discouraged their electorate forever. Only the most stubborn and honest remained (which is not held in high esteem today). For the Stalinist Communist Party, I would vote. With such communists, there would be order in our country!
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  33. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 24 January 2014 17: 33
    +2
    Six years ago I went to Klaipeda. He talked a lot with the locals. Both with Russians and Lithuanians. 9 of 10 said they were sick of this independence.
  34. Stinger
    Stinger 24 January 2014 17: 57
    0
    Abortion victims do not return.
  35. Grif
    Grif 24 January 2014 18: 01
    +5
    Quote: Maverick78
    And I never said that we are better. But I often hear ... "here you have just a scribe, you are weak-willed, you cannot choose the one you need, let alone us, here we are just handsome, what kind of Putin we have found for ourselves." I exaggerated somewhat, but the meaning, I think, is clear.
    How to choose the best president possible when he simply does not exist?
    None of these gandons considers Ukraine as their own state. We have many pro-Western politicians, some pro-Russian, and absolutely no pro-Ukrainian.
    How would you feel about the pro-Ukrainian president of Russia? Would you support him?


    There are no pro-Ukrainian politicians for the simple reason that there is no Ukraine. This is the deposited part of Russia that can be stolen, but not made an independent state.
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 25 January 2014 05: 54
      +2
      There are no pro-Ukrainian politicians for the simple reason that there is no Ukraine. This is the deposited part of Russia that can be stolen, but not made an independent state.
      You are going the right way, "comrade". There is some kind of vuiko sitting in Lemberg (now they call Lviv), reading your writings to your granddaughter and saying: "From Bachish, onuchok, like nasty people and oaths. Smell it seems that we are dumb." Dohren with this approach you will achieve ...
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 25 January 2014 06: 13
        0
        "From bachish, onuchok, like nasty people and oaths. It seems like a smell that we are dumb."
        Well, moderation! It was written: "" From bachish, onuchok, like nasty people, they swear by me. The stench seems to me that we are dumb. "
  36. Grif
    Grif 24 January 2014 18: 05
    +4
    Someone from famous people once said something like this: the Russian people are like a spring that can be squeezed for a long time. But the longer you squeeze, the more frightening it is. Nothing, get yours back. Our grandchildren will see the USSR from the Pacific to the Atlantic!
  37. Grif
    Grif 24 January 2014 18: 05
    0
    Someone from famous people once said something like this: the Russian people are like a spring that can be squeezed for a long time. But the longer you squeeze, the more frightening it is. Nothing, get yours back. Our grandchildren will see the USSR from the Pacific to the Atlantic!
  38. morozof63
    morozof63 24 January 2014 18: 07
    +4
    under socialism, there was one very good thing-ideology, the upbringing of the younger generation, I won’t go into why it was all left to chance, it’s our sadness ((now there’s nothing, most young people have only one loot god, I think the main reason for the collapse of a great country the absence of a leader, the last of the leaders was Andropov, after him there was a whole husk, he needed his Peter the Great, Ivan the Terrible, Catherine II, they gave free rein to various people's fronts and got Karabakh, Sumgait, and Ossetia, there was no hard hand
  39. individual
    individual 24 January 2014 18: 13
    +3
    People say:
    "Under Brezhnev, we lived under communism, but we noticed it only now."
    1. 120352
      120352 24 January 2014 21: 55
      0
      So it was. It is checked on itself.
  40. Tartary
    Tartary 24 January 2014 18: 20
    -5
    I liked the demotivator in Odnoklassniki - "Stalin is Alive! He is now working as Putin!"
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 24 January 2014 19: 50
      0
      Quote: Tartary
      "Stalin is Alive! He is now working as Putin!"

      would he de-stabilize himself?
      "and certainly during this period we faced not just a cult of personality, but massive crimes against our own people, this is also a fact"
      http://rutube.ru/video/d744199143ee9286620c92955548c05f/
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 24 January 2014 20: 17
      0
      Quote: Tartary
      "Stalin is Alive! He is now working as Putin!"

      This is from what hangover the author of the demotivator needs to be, so that it comes to mind.
  41. Lelek
    Lelek 24 January 2014 18: 39
    +2
    It makes no sense to complain about the USSR. We live in modern Russia and we need to strengthen it, unite it, improve the life of ordinary Russians. And let those who novice the Soviet Union and shoveled it with water in every possible way complain. stop
  42. Arh
    Arh 24 January 2014 18: 46
    -2
    And let them unite in a union! ! ! )))
  43. demel2
    demel2 24 January 2014 18: 57
    +1
    Reconstructing the USSR is a utopia at the moment, but if you put things in order in our country to boost the economy, then the rest who want to come will come, then take it by competition.
  44. sawmill
    sawmill 24 January 2014 19: 02
    -1
    Moldovans and Lithuanians are bored.
    New European owners pay little and make them work.
    In the USSR it was on whose neck to sit.
    And you could still laugh at the wild and stupid, uneducated and hell knows what barbarians.

    Prostitutes sleep with those who pay more.
    Some prostitutes thought that in Europe they pay more. Now it seems to them that they used to pay more, tomorrow they will see something else.

    The states that consider themselves independent and move away from Russia at certain stages of their development were able to preserve their people, language, and culture only thanks to Russia.
    Twenty years ago, it seemed to them that they had freed themselves, but now it’s very likely that Moldova, for example, might not be there in another twenty years,
    And there is only one option guaranteeing their preservation and development - under the wing of Russia.
    1. BOB48
      BOB48 24 January 2014 20: 57
      +1
      the trouble is that before the children of "prostitutes" became famous directors, actors, composers, and now - hairdressers, janitors, etc. etc.!
      1. sawmill
        sawmill 25 January 2014 05: 33
        0
        Yes, you just noticed, even the smallest republics had their own cultural elite, film studios, theaters, artists.
        And the audience for them was the whole union.
        And how many doctors, teachers, engineers were trained in Russian universities?
        And now only for money and for big ones.
  45. shelva
    shelva 24 January 2014 19: 26
    +1
    It is impossible to indiscriminately "take back into the union" because most of the former republics during their "independence" ruined, plundered and generally killed everything that was created by the Union.
    One can imagine what will happen to us if all these people in the West sit on the Russian neck. And after they eat off, they will conquer the dictatorship of Moscow.
  46. nikcris
    nikcris 24 January 2014 19: 28
    +4
    Quote: Tartary
    I liked the demotivator in Odnoklassniki - "Stalin is Alive! He is now working as Putin!"

    Svetlana fled to India after the death of her father. Her father did not leave her accounts in the "Swiss Savings Bank", and therefore ended her life in poverty.
    Talk about Putin? love
  47. 120352
    120352 24 January 2014 19: 37
    0
    Something I did not understand, are we taking Moldova and Lithuania back or not?
    1. family tree
      family tree 24 January 2014 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: 120352
      Something I did not understand, are we taking Moldova and Lithuania back or not?

      In turn, with ... children!
  48. delfinN
    delfinN 24 January 2014 19: 52
    +1
    Is it so simple to take and put on the boiler allowance Russophobic labuses? But the face on the diagonal will not crack?
  49. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 24 January 2014 19: 58
    0
    Today, the bulk of the former Soviet people living in Russia, Ukraine, Central Asia live on poverty (and even worse). In their life they do not see prospects for improvement. Hence the nostalgia for the Soviet past. In Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, a deeply unjust social formation was created. The results of the labor of millions are used by a handful of moneybags. What should ordinary people do? The question is rhetorical.
    1. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 25 January 2014 12: 26
      0
      Unfortunately you are right! Another 10-20 years, and that generation of former Soviet people will die or be incompetent. And there will be no one to remember and desire. And so, halva halva halva, but in the mouth is still bitter!
  50. vakym
    vakym 24 January 2014 20: 00
    +2
    A big request!
    If you post an article from another resource and it contains links to studies (and these studies are in the public domain), then please indicate links to studies too!

    This greatly simplifies the life of your readers who want to see the originals!
    And besides, personally, I have this position:
    All the data given in any article, without indicating the source, is a lie!

    GALLUP Research Link: http://www.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx

    Link to Pew Research Center study: not found. Here is their site: http: //www.pewresearch.org/category/publications/2012/page/3/

    Link to the study of the Levada Center: it was not possible at all to understand what specific study was in question. of. site of the levada center: http://www.levada.ru/

    Thanks to the author for the article.