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Radical Islam among the Russians of the Volga region and its consequences

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“Russian Muslims” (RM) in Russia and other CIS countries are called Russian by birth of people who profess Islam.


Accurate data on the size of the RM are not available due to the fact that the All-Russian Population Census does not allow determining the correlation of the ethnic and religious affiliation of respondents. The available data is very contradictory. The numbers of ratings voiced in the media range from a few to a hundred thousand people. Mufti Ravil Gainutdin and other functionaries of the Russian Mufties Council talked about "tens of thousands of Russians adopting Islam." Advisor Gainutdin "Russian Muslim", Vyacheslav-Ali Polosin in an interview estimates the number of the Russian community of "Russian Muslims" in all 10 thousand people, thereby refuting his boss [1].

On Islamic Internet resources one can see the information that there are more than 100 thousand and even several hundred thousand RM in Russia. As proof of these figures, the following argument is usually given. According to the Kazakhstani census of population 2009, 54 thousands of 277 Russians practicing Islam lived in the country, with the total Russian population of 3 million 793.764 people. Accordingly, it is proposed to determine the approximate number of the Republic of Moldova in Russia, based on the number of times the number of Russians in Russia is greater than in Kazakhstan. However, many experts questioned the census 2009 of the year in Kazakhstan: this census ended with a scandal in connection with the identified embezzlement of funds allocated for its conduct, and therefore, due to insufficient material support, there were a lot of errors in data collection and processing. In particular, according to the testimony of the head of the Kazakhstan statistics agency Alikhan Smailov, “it turned out that a lot of the population was rewritten twice - we deleted about 300 thousands of duplicates from the database” [2].

Most experts agree that the functionaries of the Russian Mufties Council and the Republic of Moldova themselves are inclined to exaggerate the size of this ethno-religious group. Well-known Islamic scholar Roman Silantyev estimates the number of Russian Muslims in approximately 7000 people. At the same time, according to police officers, in Astrakhan alone there are about 1000 (one thousand) Russian Muslims who are Wahhabi supporters.

Estimating the size of the RM in the Volga region is all the more difficult.

At the same time, there is a tendency to increase the number of the Republic of Moldova in Russia, incl. in the Volga region. Thus, in recent years, the number of the Republic of Moldova has significantly increased in Nizhnekamsk (Tatarstan), Baymak (Bashkortostan), Ulyanovsk, Saratov, Astrakhan, in the Rivne district of the Saratov region, pos. Askino (Bashkortostan) (according to the police and Muslim clerics).

RM can be divided into 3 main groups:

1. Adopted Islam for ideological reasons, as a result of spiritual quest

2. Replaced faith for family reasons. This group consists of Muslim wives, in isolated cases - the husbands of deeply religious Muslims. From representatives of this category should be distinguished those who converted to Islam for some other reason, and then finds a spouse among Muslims.

3. Adopt Islam from opportunistic (socio-economic) considerations. Meet among representatives of the business elite and government officials in Tatarstan and Bashkiria. They also include those representatives of the criminal criminal environment who embrace Islam by joining organized criminal groups formed by Wahhabis.

4. Soldiers who are forcibly converted to Islam in Afghan or "Ichkerian" captivity. In some cases, representatives of this category, having received freedom, remain in the bosom of the Muslim religion. According to various estimates, the whole of Russia is no more than a few dozen people.

The Republic of Moldova adheres to the following directions of Sunni Islam: Wahhabism, Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), Tablighi Jamaat (TD), Nurdzhular, traditional Islam of the Hanafi and Shafiit mazhab. Shiites make up a small group.

According to employees of special services and clergymen of traditional Islam, a certain part of the Republic of Moldova are Wahhabis. The outlook of the members of HT and TD is often characterized by syncretism: the doctrine which they hold includes not only the provisions of the doctrines of these organizations, but also elements of Wahhabism. Against the background of these unconventional for the peoples of Russia, the trends of Islam in a clear minority remain adherents of traditional Islam. Formally, adherents of the Hanafi mazhab in Tatarstan and Bashkiria are representatives of the business elite and government officials who converted to Islam for short-term reasons. Representatives of the Shafi'i madhhab are in Ufa (Bashkiria) among ethnic Russians who are members of the Tariqat Sufi organization (followers of the late Dagestan Sheikh Said Chirkeyi).

Ideologically accepted groups of Islam should also be divided into several subgroups:

1. Interested in esotericism (occultism). As a rule, before coming to Islam, they are adherents of various "new-age" flows (without necessarily being members of the "new-age" sectors). In Islam, they are attracted by the mysticism of Sufism. By adopting Islam, as a rule, they do not lead the life of a “practicing Muslim” (an analogue of the church life among Christians), they rarely attend a mosque, mostly attending meetings of supporters of Sufi movements in apartments. Some try to find a spiritual mentor in Dagestan (to become a sheikh’s muridom), but after that, as a rule, the life of a “practicing Muslim” still does not lead.

2. Accepting Islam on the basis of fascination with the culture of the East, against the background of the study of oriental languages ​​and the complimentary attitude to the culture of Muslim countries. Basically, this group consists of representatives of the intelligentsia. There are many Shi'is followers among this category.

As a rule, the life of a “practicing Muslim” is one.

3. Accepting Islam from revolutionary, anti-state motives. They can be described as going to Islam in order to be revolutionaries and fight with the state. Christianity they consider unsuitable religion for such purposes, "religion of wimps." These are mainly from right-wing (nationalist) and left-radical groups.

4. Representatives of the criminal (criminal) environment, who adopt radical Islam, are adjacent to this subgroup, seeing in it a similarity with the “concepts” of criminal society. The value system of the criminal world implies contempt not only in relation to law enforcement agencies, but also to the state as such. This is very reminiscent of the ideological attitudes of radical Islamists, for whom the Russian state is a Khafer (infidel state). This category in radical Islamist ideologies is attracted by the fact that previous sins (crimes) prior to the active adoption of Islam are written off, and the possibility to commit them is further justified, since new crimes (including robbery and murder) are treated as part of “jihad”. The increase in the number of this group of followers of radical Islam is promoted by the fact that, having got to prison, the radical Islamists are trying to find new like-minded people, and they look like victims of the state [3] in the eyes of the other cons.

Representatives of the last two subgroups and make up a significant part of the RM in Russia. These 2 categories (conventionally “revolutionaries” and “felons”), as a rule, find a common language among organized criminal groups (bandit groups). They strive to be “practicing Muslims”: they try to read namaz every day for five times, but officially they often don’t attend mosques, calling them “kafir” (due to the fact that the mufti, who are in charge of these mosques, cooperate with the state).

Some researchers propose to distinguish among the RM a group of adherents of “Aryan Islam” and “Marxist Islam”. Representatives of "Aryan Islam" connect Islam with Russian nationalism, racism. Islam for such neophytes is either "the path to the rebirth of the Russian nation" or "the path to the rebirth of the white race." For representatives of “Marxist Islam” Islam is “a means to the worldwide liberation of the oppressed,” they connect the Islamic religion with left-wing doctrines.

However, the stay of the Republic of Moldova in these 2 categories is short-lived, and sooner or later they become adherents of Wahhabism or the “Party of Islamic Liberation” - “Hizb-ut-Tahrir”.

Some features of the worldview of representatives of Russian youth who converted to Islam

Surveys among young Moldovan people living in cities of the Volga region showed that the representatives of this category of Russian youth answered the question about the reasons for adopting Islam and said that they see in modern Orthodoxy a “religion advocating non-violence and tolerance”, “the religion of the weak” [4].

The poll also revealed a negative attitude of this group towards the ROC, which, in their opinion, serves the state and at the same time lives “at the expense of the people”.

This group of the Republic of Moldova also negatively relates to the functionaries of traditional Islam (for the same reason), however, in relation to the latter, it shows less negative.

In Islam as a whole, in their opinion, there is a cult of militancy. “Islam is a religion of strong people,” they say. At the same time, they do not conceal that they sympathize with the members of the Wahhabi thugs of the North Caucasus, who (in their opinion) "are fighting against the cops serving the Putin regime."

Participation of the Republic of Moldova in terrorist activities

Of the number of Russian Muslims, of which there are several thousand throughout the country, there are more terrorists than of the representatives of the Tatar population (of which there are about 5 million) [5].

Through the media, the following Republic of Moldova involved in terrorist activities are the most "dissatisfied":

Alexander Tikhomirov (10.02. 1982 - 2.03. 2010, Ekazhevo, Ingushetia, Russia) is a member of terrorist groups, an Islamic preacher and one of the ideologists of the North Caucasian armed underground. More known under the name Said Buryat. Before leaving to the underground, he worked in the central office of the Council of Muftis. Destroyed as a result of a special operation of the consolidated detachment of the CSF FSB and SOBRM of the Ministry of Internal Affairs near the Ingush village Ekazhevo 2 in March 2010.

Victor Dvorakovsky (February 5 1987, Makhachkala, DASSR) - a participant in the Wahhabi terrorist underground in the Stavropol Territory. He was put on the federal wanted list when an improvised explosive device exploded in Pyatigorsk in a rented apartment. When detained on the night of 14 in July, 2011 of the year resisted, throwing a self-made bomb at the police and wounding one of them. The second bomb exploded in his hands, tearing off his left hand. The court sentenced him to 23 years of a maximum security colony.

Alla Saprykina (1982 - 28 August 2012, Chirkey, Dagestan). Among the Wahhabis was known as Aminat. The “common wife” of the militants of the Dagestan underground. 28 August 2012, Alla Saprykina killed herself, one of the spiritual leaders of the Muslims of Dagestan, Sheikh Said Chirkei, by means of self-exploitation.

The Republic of Moldova is also involved in terrorist activities in the Volga regions.

In June, 2004 of the year in the clothing market in Samara, an explosion occurred, which killed 11 people. According to the investigators, the organizer of this “sabotage against kafers” (as the Wahhabis call this attack on their Internet forums) has been for several years already been located on the federal wanted list, a native of the Volgograd region “Russian Muslim” Pavel Kosolapov. It is known that by adopting Islam, Kosolapov fought against the federal forces on the side of the Chechen Wahhabis, then became an instructor of the militant base, located near Serzhen-Yurt. Then Kosolapov led an international Jamaat, which, in essence, was a sabotage group leading the jihad against Russia. Currently located in the federal wanted list.

26 April 2011, in Volgograd, an improvised explosive device exploded outside the traffic police building. No one was hurt by the explosions. On the same day, another explosive device was discovered outside the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which was disarmed by sappers. As established during the investigation, the explosive devices were laid by members of the international gang headed by the previously convicted Andrei Antonov, among the Wahhabis known as Umar. It is known that he accepted Islam while in prison. The gang also consisted of his relative - Alexey Antonov. All members of the gang were residents of Astrakhan. The gang was engaged in armed robberies of shops and apartments, considering it a jihad against the “Käfer State”. When the leader of the gang, Andrei Antonov, attempted to arrest, he attempted to blow up a grenade, and the operatives of the Astrakhan special operations police were forced to shoot him. The rest of the gang members were detained and received later from the court sentences ranging from 3 to 19 years in prison.

In different regions of the Volga region, law enforcement agencies in various years suppressed the activities of several international armed groups, whose members were the Republic of Moldova, and who were preparing to carry out terrorist acts.

In 2003, in the Ulyanovsk region, the police disclosed the activities of the Wahhabi gang, which also hunted down with armed robberies, considering it to be part of jihad. Initially, members of the gang were suspected of killing the crime boss. According to the investigators, then their attention was attracted by the fact that many suspects called themselves Arabic names instead of Russian names recorded in passports. So it turned out that a number of suspects, being Russian and by nationality, converted to Islam and are members of the Islamic Jamaat organization. The leaders of the gang were the Russian Muslim Sergey Sandrykin and the Chuvash Valery Ilmindeyev who converted to Islam. Gang members committed a series of robberies, kidnappings and other particularly serious crimes. The group members equipped a home mosque with one of their apartments in Ulyanovsk, read sermons here and conducted classes with Russian and Tatar youth, which aroused hatred and enmity towards the Gentiles [6].

In the autumn of 2007, a gang of Wahhabis known as "Tolyatinsky Jamaat" and preparing for the attack was neutralized by FSB officers in Tolyatti (Samara region). 4 April 2008 representatives of the FSB Directorate for the Samara region told media representatives that the activities of a group of religious extremists had been stopped in Tolyatti, and its leader was convicted of possessing an improvised explosive device. The fact that “a well-disguised group of people who were supporters of the extremist Islam movement is operating on the territory of Tolyatti” became known to operatives in 2006 year.

Later, the UBOP officers, together with the FSB officers, managed to find out that the participants of the Wahhabi “Jamaat” operating in Tolyatti conducted work to involve the residents of the city and the Stavropol district of the city in their activities, promoting the idea of ​​armed jihad. Among the participants of the religious extremist group were Moldova. In March, 2008, the team leader was sentenced to one year under article 222 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Illegal acquisition, transfer, sale, storage, transportation or carrying weapons, its main parts, ammunition, explosives and explosive devices ").

In March, a Wahhabi gang was blocked by FSB special forces and SOBR MIA special forces unit in October 2010 in October (Bashkiria), one of the two main leaders of which was Belebey resident Vladimir Turaev. One of the terrorists, the Russian Muslim Alexander Yashin, even managed to break out of the encirclement and tried to take hostages in the city hospital, but was neutralized by special forces. It turned out that the participants of the internationally-composed Jamaat were engaged in kidnapping, extortion and robbery attacks for the subsequent receipt of material funds to finance gangs in the North Caucasus. They considered their activities as a jihad against the "Käfer" state. It also turned out that members of one of the religious-extremist groups that were part of the Turayev gang conducted a sabotage on the route of the high-pressure gas pipeline in the Birsk district of Bashkiria (fortunately, the explosive device they planted did not explode). Members of the gang planned terrorist attacks involving suicide bombers.

It is necessary to separately distinguish the “female extremist” category of the Republic of Moldova, consisting of young Russian women, who are associated with the Wahhabi bandit underground. They can be divided into 2 categories:

a) those who converted to Islam for ideological or family reasons, and deliberately went to cooperate with the Wahhabi bandit underground.

b) those who converted to Islam for ideological or family reasons, and by deception involved in the activities of the Wahhabi bandit underground.

Recently, on the territory of the Volga regions, there has been a negative trend of involving Russian girls who converted to Islam in the activities of the armed gangs of the North Caucasus. Wahhabis get acquainted with girls through the Internet, after which they convince them to enter into a "secret marriage with the Mujahid." At the very first meeting with a stranger, with whom the girl met on the Internet, the Muslim rite “nikah” (marriage) is held. After that, the girl is secretly taken to one of the republics of the North Caucasus. Sometimes even “nikah” is on the phone or on the Internet (which was never accepted in Islam) with a person whom the “bride” never met in real life, and he convinces her to come to one of the North Caucasian republics on her own. Already there, girls are involved in illegal activities as common wives, with the militants, as a rule, it is assumed that sooner or later they will become suicide bombers.

In April, FSB and police returned home a 16-year medical college student, Yulia Titova, secretly from her parents to one of the republics of the North Caucasus in Astrakhan. By adopting Islam, she declared her parents unfaithful and secretly married, having performed the ceremony by telephone.

It also turned out that the girl had taken an example from her cousin, who, by adopting Islam, had also “got married” by phone. Her husband was a member of a gang that attacked police officers in July 2010 in Astrakhan and an imam of one of the city’s mosques. In 2010, the gang was destroyed, and the young woman was left a widow [7].

According to the staff of the central office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, voiced in the media, the trend of recent years has become Russian suicide bombers who converted to Islam.

According to the Center for the Geography of Religions at the Synodal Department for Relations between the Church and Society (OVTSO) of the Russian Orthodox Church, now in Russia more than 200 RM are under investigation, wanted or imprisoned for participating in gangs, preparing terrorist attacks and inciting ethnic hatred. This allows the Russian Muslims to be considered the most criminalized ethno-confessional group in the country.

Experience shows that quite often the Republic of Moldova in the Volga region are supporters of unconventional forms of Islam for Russia, which are usually associated with Islamic radicalism: Wahhabis, members of Hizb ut-Tahrir and Tablighi Jamaat.

Islamic scholar Rinat Pateev expressed the following opinion about the Republic of Moldova: “The actions initiated by ethnically Russian extremists are always much more radical than the actions carried out by“ ethnic ”Muslims” [8].

One of the Muftis of the Central Spiritual Board of Muslims (TsDUM) of Russia, Haidar Khafizov, considers the acceptance of Islam by the Russian people as an unacceptable and dangerous phenomenon for Russia due to the adherence of the Republic of Moldova to the radical interpretation of Islam [9].

The opinion of the former mufti of Tatarstan Gusman Iskhakov: “Examples of Russians who converted to Islam are not very encouraging: they usually have heightened aggressiveness, and their mentality is completely different” [10].

Such "differences in the mentality" of the Republic of Moldova from Christians and representatives of traditional Islam can be explained by the fact that Islam is often accepted by those marginalized representatives of the Russian people who see it as a means of combating the existing state system, or a means of justifying banditry.

At the same time, in the opinion of cultural scientists, Islam is not processed by the national culture of one or another people - this is a fundamentally internationalist ideology that makes its adherents aware of themselves as members of a supranational community and strive to unite with their bearers of similar values. According to this point of view, since Russians do not have their traditional version of Islam for the Russian people, they will always be vulnerable to pan-Islamist concepts, including in terms of ideology. before Wahhabism and Hizb ut-Tahrir. At the same time, such is not threatened by the Tatars or Bashkirs, if they are rooted in the "ethnic" version of traditional Islam - because “Their own” version of Islam for them is one of the signs of belonging to an ethnos (one of the means of ethnic self-identification).

According to Zagidi Makhmudov, the Dagestan republican expert on work with young people, the Republic of Moldova become Wahhabis because they do not have “strong spiritual support”, being far from Orthodoxy. In his opinion, the radical nature of the Republic of Moldova is due to psychological reasons: the conflict between the new (Muslim) consciousness and the subconscious feeling that this state (being in the Muslim religion) is not normal for the Russian. The consequences of this are “unpredictable behavior, marginalization and further down the chain.” “You can bring such people anywhere,” says expert [11].

The reasons for the departure of Russian youth in Islam

According to Islamic scholar Ruslan Gereev (Dagestan), who studies the problem of Russian Wahhabis, “the Islamization of Russians is largely the result of the poor performance of the Russian Orthodox Church and officials who do not pay proper attention to Russian youth” [12].

The “weak work” of the Russian Orthodox Church is manifested primarily in the fact that missionary work is not being conducted among Russian youth. Missionary departments of dioceses, as a rule, are not engaged in missionary work.

It is impossible not to acknowledge such a problem as the image of Orthodoxy imposed by the liberal part of the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church, as a tolerant religion, which has no relation to patriotism and service to the Fatherland. Because of this, Orthodoxy is perceived by many representatives of the youth as “the religion of the weak,” in which the main thing is “to forgive the enemies, to substitute the cheek.”

It should be recognized that the main reason for the success of Islamic proselytism among individual representatives of the Russian people is that the majority of Russians are still divorced from their spiritual roots and are actually not familiar with the religion of their ancestors - Orthodox Christianity, and have a distorted view of this religion.


Notes:

1. “Russian Islam”: an interview with the adviser of the Council of Muftis of Russia, the former Orthodox priest Ali Vyacheslav Polosin // “Portal-Credo.Ru”.
2. The non-corruption scandal caused a long summary of the census - Smailov // IA News-Kazakhstan, November 12 2010 of the year.
3. Suleimanov R.R. Prison Caliphate: Radical Islam is massively distributed in the penitentiary system of Russia / Rais Suleymanov // Nezavisimaya Gazeta, February 21 2013 of the Year.
4. The influence of the North Caucasian Wahhabis in the Volga region will increase: experts // REGNUM, 4 February 2013.
5. Suleimanov R.R. Russian Muslims in post-Soviet Russia: the causes of neophytes, the situation in the Islamic environment, the reaction of the state and society // Agency of Political News, October 12 2012.
6. The Supreme Court approved the verdict of the Ulyanovsk “Jamaat” // Lenta.ru, 16 November 2006.
7. Volodina M. Fata or shahid's belt? // Russian newspaper, 14 June 2013 of the year.
8. “Islam will have to follow the path of modernization”: an interview with Rinat Pateev // Expert, March 25, 2013.
9. Expert: you can hardly call Russian Muslims Russian people // Spectrum analytical portal, 30 on April 2013.
10. Gusman Iskhakov: “I, as a mufti, are not happy that Russians accept Islam. A person should not change his nation, his religion every year” // Portal-Credo.Ru.
11. Russian Muslims: strangers among their own // Georgia Times, 7 September 2012 of the year.
12. Russian girls in the plans of the Wahhabis // Greater Caucasus, January 11, 2013.
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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 25 January 2014 07: 25
    +14
    Tatar, Chechen, Ingush - "legitimate" Mususmans, and Russian. Muslims are no longer Russians. For instance. Meskhita Turks are former Georgians who converted to Islam under the influence of Turks and Georgians treat them much worse than Turks. Dostoevsky also put = between Russian and Orthodox.
    1. Babon
      Babon 25 January 2014 07: 31
      +3
      In the days of Dostoevsky, they did not pay much attention to nationality, more important was an Orthodox citizen or a Muslim, Catholic.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 25 January 2014 09: 08
        +11
        What our competent authorities are doing, I don’t understand! request
        Previously, all this extremism was crushed in the bud.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 25 January 2014 18: 04
        +3
        Quote: Babon
        In the days of Dostoevsky, they did not pay much attention to nationality, more important was an Orthodox citizen or a Muslim, Catholic.

        That's right. With the cantonists who converted to Orthodoxy, all restrictions imposed on the Jews were removed.
        1. Zapasnoy
          Zapasnoy 25 January 2014 21: 57
          +3
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          That's right. Cantonists who converted to Orthodoxy removed all restrictions placed on Jews

          In the case of the adoption of Christianity, this was no longer a representative of another faith (in particular a Jew), but a brother in Christ. According to the Apostle Paul in the Epistle to the Galatians (chapter 3), "For you are all sons of God by faith in Christ Jesus; all of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is no longer Jew, no Gentile; no slave, no free; no male or female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. But if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. "
        2. Babon
          Babon 26 January 2014 02: 56
          +2
          Aaron Zawi
          I didn’t specifically write about the Jews, since they were given the least rights, both for study and for service, but if he converted to Orthodoxy, then all the most accessible rights of the empire.
      3. AntonR7
        AntonR7 25 January 2014 21: 50
        +5
        Perhaps for this reason Dostoevsky said that the owner of the Russian land can only be - Russian. Nationality is not important at all))) The previous commentator was just right. Dostoevsky considered Russian and Orthodox equally. I think so too.
    2. calocha
      calocha 25 January 2014 17: 06
      +4
      It’s true that he was Orthodox, and after that he became a Muslim, automatically, I’m not cursing, you passed the line. That’s who betrayed you once, and more ...
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 25 January 2014 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: FC Skif
      Meskhitin Turks are former Georgians who converted to Islam under the influence of the Turks and the Georgians treat them much worse than the Turks.

      YOU would like to learn a little and not write here .....
      Quote: FC Skif
      atarin, Chechen, Ingush - "legitimate" Mususmans, and Russian. Muslims are no longer Russians.

      everything is clear ....... it is useless even to answer. know-how, as they say.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 25 January 2014 23: 16
        0
        Your comments initially contain subtext.
        Why should a resident of Russia be Russian and necessarily Orthodox? Can't he love his homeland or serve it?
        What little Muslims, Jews, Catholics perished in the Second World War, and how is their love for the country worse?
        The question of faith is posed incorrectly
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 January 2014 18: 20
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          The question of faith is posed incorrectly

          This is such a "gray" and "dense" topic that it makes no sense to even raise it - there are only ten to twenty irreconcilable ideological positions just offhand. Only the massacre between the Shiites and the Sunnis or the medieval inquisition of what is worth - and all because of the phrase "The question of faith is posed incorrectly." what
      2. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 01: 08
        +4
        Quote: smersh70
        everything is clear ....... it is useless even to answer. know-how, as they say.

        Come on, here's a Chechen Malika Khazieva converted to Orthodoxy - "I declared that I had become a Christian and my mother threw a knife at me."
        on forums Caucasians condemn her and threaten
        So do not, well, do not say "everything is clear ....... it is useless to even answer. No comment, as they say."
        Maybe you personally relate to a change of religion normally but others do not
  2. Field
    Field 25 January 2014 07: 26
    +6
    They are not Russian already.
    I regard it as a betrayal.
    1. ddmm09
      ddmm09 26 January 2014 03: 45
      +3
      It is necessary to fight this infection and fight constantly. In any case, vice is not in religion, vice is rooted in our society itself, which educates a generation of young people who have lost their roots, have lost their conscience.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 26 January 2014 10: 30
      0
      In every society there is a certain stratum of the category of people who are always "looking for something", rushing from religion to religion, joining the ranks of various sects and radical movements. People who change their faith express their protest, or often they are people "losers" and "gray mice". For example, the Wahhabis in social networks recruited and brought to their distorted Islam, girls who for the most part were "ugly" unnecessary girls, disappointed in life and not ready for an independent adult life, anyone can be molded from this "material".
  3. dark_65
    dark_65 25 January 2014 07: 30
    +6
    I read ... except for a feeling of powerlessness, and despair, almost nothing.
    There is no national idea, there is no sense of the country ... there are many people who intuitively understand that we are rushing towards the inevitable and who do not see a way out of this race over the abyss yet.
    In the Crimea, the Tatars beyond the Maidan, Volga region, and Bashkiria are an analogue to them. What next?
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 25 January 2014 07: 43
    +8
    Always said at the present stage it is necessary to conduct a merciless fight with all kinds of propagandists of extremist Islam.
    Moreover, the methods and methods of dealing with them should be the most diverse.
    Moreover, people interested in this struggle and not only officials of the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other structures should lead this fight.
    It must be admitted that extremists have adopted unconventional methods of recruiting their adherents — and the RUSSIAN state in this regard always lags one step behind the actions of these jackals.
    It’s time to learn with the help of knowledgeable people how to counter extremist-reguilistic attacks on our people.

    Minus the leadership of the KREMLIN-FOR SILENCE in this matter.
  5. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 25 January 2014 07: 55
    +7
    Faith and religion are different concepts, to believe in God, because God is one and how not to call him. But religion is a poison, an ideology for the subjugation of the masses, the suppression of dissenters, the education of submissive and patient slaves. Does a normal, sane person want to be a slave?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 25 January 2014 08: 09
      +2
      Yes it is - an example in Syria is evident where sharia fans have banned music and smoking.
      In how ... it means a similar fruit breaks into my house and says I should not listen to my favorite music and should bang my forehead on the ground from morning till night — such a preacher will meet a bullet in the forehead.
      1. Free Island
        Free Island 25 January 2014 09: 01
        +3
        Wai the hobbits in Syria even made the fleas sacred members of JIHAD))) and the prostitutes were legalized, because they had already erased their remnants of each other's asses))))) and the fact that these fans installed there so they installed for themselves)) normal syringes they scored it big and fat, and even quite successfully hammer these cannibals from Chechnya and from the whole Middle East))))) yes they already began to hammer each other ... bearded scum of mankind.
    2. AntonR7
      AntonR7 25 January 2014 21: 52
      0
      Not poison, but a moral-educating foundation. Then who and how presents it and perceives it.
  6. makarov
    makarov 25 January 2014 07: 58
    +4
    when adherence to the "golden calf" is massively introduced, an ideological vacuum is formed, which is in a hurry to fill various religious movements, either sectarians or Wahhabis ...
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 25 January 2014 08: 48
      +4
      Quote: makarov
      when adherence to the "golden calf" is massively introduced, an ideological vacuum is formed, which is in a hurry to fill various religious movements, either sectarians or Wahhabis ...

      Yes you would, comrade Paul put the Russian FSB to lead.
      Note that I did not read your words the day before yesterday, but I took a curious screen from the account of one of my fellow countrymen in Tatarstan. Let me remind you that this is the same city where there were arson of 2 churches, gangs of Wah-hobbits were twice taken in villages near the city, and in which the notorious "leader of Wahhabism in the Volga region" Mingaley lived.

      Pay attention to the lines The main thing in life, the main thing in people and inspire ...
      And also in the name and WORLDWIDE, not religion.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 25 January 2014 09: 26
        +1
        Quote: Ptah
        And also in the name and WORLDVIEW, not religion.
        Such a worldview presupposes non-traditional religions, including Islam, which sharply negatively relate to the accumulation of material wealth and wealth. Rather, a camel will crawl into the eye of a needle than a rich man will go to heaven and so on ... namely Protestantism in various forms or Judeo-Christianity, where material reward and well-being is evidence of selectness,

        although it is argued that It is not for oneself but for God that one should get rich. The same Catholicism recognizes wealth as objectionable to God, it in itself represents a danger to the soul, if there is wealth, then it must be distributed to the poor.
        Therefore, all radical Muslims are in fact sectarians, for the same Wahhabism in Islam is the same as Protestantism in Christianity. No wonder Wahhabism is considered one of the projects of the Protestants of the Anglo-Saxons with the goal of destroying the Ottoman Empire.
        Just like the feet of radical Islam, they grow from Protestant America, coupled with their values. In general, your fellow countrywoman, dear Ptah, an ordinary zombie ram, who would not be hurt by short-term labor for the benefit of society in forced labor camps for money lovers.
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 25 January 2014 09: 03
      +5
      Sorry, distracted ....
      Now comes the fun part. On this service ("VKontakte") there are such interesting options as creating some "closed" (in quotes) GROUPS for communication and exchange of info. I'm sure you can learn a lot there, if not about this, then about others of the same ...

      There are dozens of videos on the Internet on how to break these sites for "look". And even I, who do not consider myself such an advanced guro, with some skills and consultations with the appropriate "experts" in the "crack something" part, is able to look into these GROUPS. And the "K" department of the FSB, even more so.
      Are they not interested in the early detection of such "stoned neophytes"? Or "catch on live bait", waiting for human blood to be shed? Or what else from the field of conspiracy?
      What are they waiting for? And when it finally begins, that struggle we often hear about.
      Just don’t say “about the end of the lympiad” - I don’t believe in it ... And if such “Andrews” are checked before the start of this “sacred rite”, then the Olympics will fail ...
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 25 January 2014 11: 15
        +3
        Quote: Ptah
        Are they not interested in the early detection of such "stoned neophytes"? Or "catch on live bait", waiting for human blood to be shed?


        And she is already pouring, Dagestan every day WHO, explosions and murders. In the Stavropol region killed on the eve of two police precincts, Continuation of the killings (January ibid.
        33-year-old Anzor Margushev, 25-year-old Vadim Shogenov and 24-year-old Artur Margushev are suspected of cynical violence against residents of the Kirov and Predgorny regions of the Stavropol Territory.

        According to a LifeNews source in law enforcement, all suspects are natives of the village of Svetlovodsk, Kabardino-Balkaria. It is possible that these same bandits were involved in a new murder.

        In Stavropol found a police car with two policemen killed
        Again, the picture repeated itself as with Volgograd, despite the fact that an enhanced regime was introduced in Stavropol. There are two conclusions, either the special services are really working unprofessionally. Or the scale is such that they simply cannot "digest" everything.
        And the "K" department in the FSB does not exist. there is Anti-terrorist TsSN FSB which includes Directorate A of the Central Security Service of the FSB of Russia (Alpha Group), Directorate B (formerly Vympel), Special Operations Service (MTR). There is a Directorate for Combating International Terrorism (UBMT)
        In Soviet times, two units of the KGB fought terrorism. The first was part of the famous Fifth Directorate (ideological), and operated on the territory of the Soviet Union - the Anti-Terrorism Administration (UBT) of the KGB of the USSR. The second worked in the framework of the Office "K" (external counterintelligence) of the KGB PGU, and was responsible for preventing terrorists from entering the country.

        After the reform of the KGB and the creation of the FSB, its Anti-Terrorism Office appeared there. In the early 90s, this unit was simultaneously engaged in pure terror and in counteracting political extremism. However, after the Budyonnovsk events, the head of the department was dismissed, and the UBT was reorganized into the Anti-Terrorism Center.

        In 1997, the Anti-Terrorism Center (ATC) was established FSB Counter-Terrorism Department led by Victor Zorin. At that time, the department existed within four directorates: Operational (terror), "Alpha", "Vympel" and Office "K". The latter was a kind of heiress to the notorious Fifth KGB Directorate, which was in charge of ideological counterintelligence.

        In 1998, the Department began to object to the system of political investigation. July 6, 1998 by presidential decree was re-created Department of Constitutional Security of the FSB. Gennady Zotov was appointed its leader. It was Zotov who initiated the merger of the two structures - DBT and UKB - into a single whole. In 1999, the Department of Counter-Terrorism arose Office of the Fight against Terrorism and Political Extremism (the officers of this very department were engaged in the criminal case of the NBP leader Eduard Limonov). And the department "K" ceased to exist.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 25 January 2014 11: 52
          0
          Good day to you, Stanislav!
          Your posts are detailed and informative as always. You can not turn to ext. resources, almost as a review read.
          It is difficult to disagree with what was written about "specially created projects to combat something".
          I, pointing to my compatriot, wanted to say what prevents the special services from starting to monitor such people for their WORLD OUTCOMES? Maybe where should I go with a proposal to the "K" department, to conduct a secret traffic check from his IP? After all, this does not even require a home visit. I am fully aware of the capabilities of the special services in the field of IT technologies.
          I do not exclude that this is done ... God forbid, that did not result in sacrifices. It is possible that this neophyte Andrey-Suleiman-Berta-Maria-Bender-Bey-Ibn-
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 25 January 2014 13: 29
            +1
            What the fuck ... belay
            And where did half the comment go? Sent, everything was fine.
            None of the moderators did not delete? And if so, for what? what
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 25 January 2014 14: 23
              +2
              Quote: Ptah
              And where did half the comment go? Sent, everything was fine.

              SORM worked probably, "Semantic Archive" prefix ibn-determined as a code word. All account and mailbox got into development belay Wait, they will come for you ...
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 25 January 2014 14: 38
                0
                Quote: Ascetic
                SORM worked probably

                The consolation is that it may at least not fall under a different system. So you can think up to schizophrenia ...
                Гfrontal Oorganization ВideoНobservations Оobjects (SHIT) belay

                In the Russian language there are very few alphabetic characters, so they made up of what is ...

                There was nothing special there. Therefore, I was surprised at the reason for deleting (?). And the full "truncated" word looked like this -
                "Andrey-Suleiman-Berta-Maria-Bandar-Bay-i
                bn-Ivan ".
                Here is "Ivan" and did not pass the moderation ...
                Okay, I'll try to finish the thought another time. When the operator SORMAa goes to smoke. 300 m from the public building ...
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 25 January 2014 14: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Ptah
                  Here is "Ivan" and did not pass the moderation ...

                  Ivan in the criminal jargon of the last century thieves' plow winked
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 25 January 2014 14: 14
            +1
            Quote: Ptah
            Maybe where should I go with a proposal to the "K" department, to conduct a secret traffic check from his IP? After all, this does not even require a home visit. I am fully aware of the capabilities of the special services in the field of IT technologies.

            Only on July 01 of this year, the provider will be required to install equipment on their networks (SORM (system of operational-search measures) for recording and storing Internet traffic for a period of at least 12 hours, and special services will have direct access to these records. They will be monitored by tel. IP-address numbers, account names and email addresses, social network accounts and other twitter and Facebook users. Automatically without the knowledge of the provider. Last fall, an appropriate order was prepared by the Ministry of Communications. A draft law was drawn up in the Duma.
            Traffic will be automatically transmitted to the FSB. Now, according to the law, only by a court decision, as well as "wiretapping". That is, they monitor clients who have got into operational development. Information Security Center military unit 64829 in the FSB counterintelligence service. the algorithm of actions of special services officers is to ensure that a certain number of blogs get clogged up in the system and the system monitors them according to various indicators). We get a certain blog module that employs about a dozen employees. It is the CIB that decides on what materials need to be removed from access on the Web.
            So this is the situation. We do not have the NSA everything is done democratically, tolerantly in accordance with the Constitution and the law winked
            Why is there now an active struggle to expand the rights of the FSB in the information space
  7. Free Island
    Free Island 25 January 2014 08: 56
    +3
    5-10 Slavs MONTHLY join the ranks of the bandit underground in Dagestan and Ingushetia. This is not a small figure, while it is constantly growing. Although this is not the same bandit underground, which was, for example, in Chechnya. Basically, RACKETERS live in the forests in burrows under the ground)) because the financing of "Islamic terrorism" because of the hillock has been sharply reduced, now these inhabitants of the holes feed on racketeering. In fact, there is no religious idea there, it's just that now there is a repetition of the dashing nineties, only painted as a religious "struggle")))) "If you are inshallah Muslim mashalla, give us money, praise alla, la la la poplar, and don't give us money we will set you on fire, we will set fire to your car, we will take your wife into the chimney, we will shake "and so on .. in short, lugs who do not want to work. It is necessary to carry out the general disarmament of the Caucasus, after all, this is Russia, even if, like all the inhabitants of Russia, they walk with farting traumatics and hunting rifles. Well, when in the republic you can buy a Kalash for $ 100 and VSS for $ 10, a grenade launcher for $ 50 and cartridges just by weight like seeds - then why shouldn't racketeering grow on this fertile soil)) This is not an Islamic revolution, this is Islamic racket:))
  8. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 25 January 2014 09: 01
    0
    Tatar primarily Türk and should not obey the Semitic cunning peoples. Russians to defend themselves against the Jewish popular movement created their own - Orthodoxy. The Persians also came up with their own not to be subordinate to the Arabs - Shiism. So if the Turks cannot throw off the yoke, we need to change it so that it suits us - to create our own flow. Even the Anglo-Saxons came up with Protestantism so as not to submit to Roman Catholics ...
    Only weak nations will perish for the ideas of the Arab Wahhab. Strong - they will change and make part of themselves.
    1. wanderer
      wanderer 25 January 2014 09: 10
      -3
      Is not the foundation of Orthodoxy the Pentateuch?
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 25 January 2014 09: 16
        0
        this is so, but who knows? ..
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 25 January 2014 09: 29
        +4
        On this site (as in the whole world) this is the most beloved and respected group ....
        Do you crave forum srach? Or did he get out with the aim of provocation?
        Usually yours on such topics do not climb ...
        Already here WITHOUT Zionists MANAGED!
        1. ramsi
          ramsi 25 January 2014 09: 45
          +2
          somewhere in the Gospels there is: ... did I come to reject the law? But to fulfill ...
        2. alone
          alone 25 January 2014 12: 06
          +3
          Ptah, judging by logic, there is nothing surprising in this! Well, let's say he writes instead of the Zionist Internationalist. Anyway, the majority here will accuse him of Zionism, because he is a Jew and a citizen of Israel)) So, he is right in writing this.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 25 January 2014 13: 49
            0
            Sag Oolun, Dear!
            Quote: lonely
            Well, let's say he writes instead of the Zionist Internationalist. All the same, most here will accuse him of Zionism, because he is a Jew and a citizen of Israel)

            Well yes. A Jew seeking Zion is a ZIONIST. Zionists have always promoted, and still do, internationalism. In my opinion, all over the world have made sure that under the capitalist systemwhen capital requires cheap labor, INTERNATIONALISM leads to unpredictable results.
            Quote: lonely
            Ptah, judging by logic, there is nothing surprising in this!

            Conditionally. If you use LOGIC, predictably there will be a srach between those who defend Orthodoxy (Christianity) and those who do not accept it in any form. This always happens, you could not help but notice. But the topic is not about that, which means that his comment or an attempt to start a flood, or destroys the myth of the allegedly "remarkable mind of the Jews."
            Therefore his act of a Jew residing in Israel can be regarded as anything, but not by the desire to enter into dialogue about THE PROBLEMS OF THE ORIGIN OF Wahhabism in TATARSTAN.
            To which I was immediately indicated ... hi
      3. Zapasnoy
        Zapasnoy 25 January 2014 22: 12
        +1
        Yes, the Old Testament includes the Pentateuch of Moses. It is included, but does not exclude the New Testament, which the Jews (by the way, not all of them), unfortunately, rejected, not believing in the coming of the Savior promised by the prophets - Jesus. They waited for a great and mighty King, but did not take into account the words of their prophets (for example, in Isaiah 42: 3, "he will not break a broken reed, and he will not quench a smoking flax; he will execute judgment in truth;"
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    3. Zapasnoy
      Zapasnoy 25 January 2014 22: 42
      +1
      The Russians did not create Orthodoxy; they joined it in 988 (Baptism of Rus). Orthodoxy is a world religion. Once upon a time, Catholics were also Orthodox, but they finally fell away in 1054.
  9. shelva
    shelva 25 January 2014 09: 44
    0
    Jihad .., Wahhabis .., martyrs - romance - that's what desperate or reckless youth representatives climb into Islam.
    Having removed the pioneer Komsomol from the life of adolescents, for some reason they removed any upbringing at all - the children began to spiritually self-determine - who has a street, who has a computer and who does not "sew a sleeve" - ​​a delicacy for sweet-voiced preachers from Abd-al-Wahhab.
    The Wahhabis are not only the most aggressive branch of Islam in carrying out various jihadist actions, but also the most aggressive in terms of penetrating the minds of various kinds of sociopaths, exalted marginals and other drug addicts. And the adults are to blame, who gave up the upbringing of children to "good uncles and aunts" from over the hill.
  10. rereture
    rereture 25 January 2014 10: 28
    +2
    Another article proving that religion is opium for the people.

    Yes, it's too late, the majority are poisoned by "religion", they do not believe, they do not delve into the meaning of the rituals. They are a herd.

    When the gifts of the Magi were brought to St. Petersburg, how many people were there? Why did they come? To kiss (an abomination, how many microbes are there) golden triangles? Lean against foreheads, to some kind of herota (honestly, herota)? Remember the VIP entrances, crush, swearing. . Herd.
    1. optimist
      optimist 25 January 2014 10: 40
      +4
      Quote: rereture
      Another article proving that religion is opium for the people.

      Our u-bastard power is to blame for all this bacchanalia, which has lowered the people to the state of B. exit and is trying to use religion as a management of this same B. exit ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 25 January 2014 12: 40
        -1
        Quote: optimist
        Our u-bastard power is to blame for all this bacchanalia, which has lowered the people to the state of B. exit and is trying to use religion as a management of this same B. exit ...

        In my opinion you are not catching up with something. Neither power rules religion, and religion rules power.

    2. ramsi
      ramsi 25 January 2014 10: 43
      +1
      yes, you can laugh at it, but it works
  11. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 25 January 2014 10: 51
    +2
    my daughter is studying in the 9th grade in the Russian class, three Russian families converted to Islam, wives go in hijabs with children Islamic names, such garbage
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 25 January 2014 15: 13
      +3
      Quote: nnnnnn
      my daughter is studying in the 9th grade in the Russian class, three Russian families converted to Islam, wives go in hijabs with children Islamic names, such garbage

      And I recently saw another garbage. I drove past the house of Jehovah's prayers, so there are more than half going out with Asian faces. In the Volga region, Islamic sects are Christian, and I think it’s not just that these sects bred like fleas.
  12. alone
    alone 25 January 2014 10: 57
    +7
    )) Now it's a bit early, I think in a couple of hours the forum's "Islamic scholars" will catch up. And it will start here, as always, from a pig's skin to the extermination of all Muslims)) laughing
    1. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 25 January 2014 11: 40
      +5
      Exactly! Today is Saturday, the "experts" will gather: prohibit Islam, separate the Caucasus, issue everyone according to AKM, and so on.
      1. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 25 January 2014 22: 23
        0
        Yes, exactly - to separate, etc.
    2. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 25 January 2014 13: 29
      +5
      all terrorists. Islam. kill. explosions. to separate the Caucasus. how long. emigrants. crime. close borders. expel. Afghanistan. heroin. exterminate. to hang. wrap up. dig in. to bomb. pork skins. dogs. Wahhabis.
      1. alone
        alone 25 January 2014 13: 37
        +1
        Have you forgotten the Jews)) wassat
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 25 January 2014 13: 58
          +1
          No, other experts will deal with this issue ... laughing Specially prepared information ... fellow
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 25 January 2014 19: 13
        +1
        Quote: TS3sta3
        to bomb. pork skins. dogs. Wahhabis.

        and then, when there are no arguments, they will write, but what do you do on the Russian site and why do not release Karabakh bully and the topic will go the other way wassat
      3. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 00: 24
        0
        Quote: TS3sta3
        all terrorists. Islam. kill. explosions. to separate the Caucasus. how long. emigrants. crime. close borders. expel. Afghanistan. heroin. exterminate. to hang. wrap up. dig in. to bomb. pork skins. dogs. Wahhabis

        And why so IMMEDIATELY and categorically - A TS3sta3?
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 26 January 2014 11: 47
          0
          slogans are almost always categorical.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 January 2014 14: 49
      +5
      Quote: lonely
      Forum's "Islamic scholars" will catch up


      The BEK pathologist will finish the job and convert everyone to Islam from the Zionists to the Orthodox, that for a long time he was gone ... even it became boring request
    4. smersh70
      smersh70 25 January 2014 19: 11
      0
      Quote: lonely
      ut as always from pork skin

      By the way, Molokans, who live with us do not eat a pig .... and what ..... wassat
    5. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 25 January 2014 22: 25
      -1
      Yes, of course - PIG SKIN and so on, of course. First of all, look at yourself
      1. alone
        alone 25 January 2014 23: 44
        +1
        And what, he took a mirror, looked at himself for a long and long time, but he didn’t notice anything dumb. I noticed only religious intolerance and I don’t suffer, I admit all the prophets as God's messengers, I respect them. I always fought against the terrorist was in service.

        And then he looked at you from the side. And turned away without saying anything. And there is nothing to say. hi
        1. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 00: 15
          0
          Quote: lonely
          And then he looked at you from the side. And turned away without saying anything. And there is nothing to say.

          Wow, as you said beautifully, I recognize the southern people. After all, only you can make remarks about others, and you are all so correct and not sinful, and who will do it for you right away: "looked from the side at you. And turned away without saying anything. And there is nothing to say" laughing
          Well, of course, of course - You don't notice anything behind yourself Only we are so bad Ours does not smell - IS NOT TRUE ")) Now it's still a bit early, I think in a couple of hours the forum's" Islamic scholars "will come up. Muslims)) "
          1. alone
            alone 26 January 2014 12: 44
            +2
            Quote: Veteran Vlad.
            Well, of course, of course - You don't notice anything behind yourself. Only we are so bad. Ours does not smell - IS NOT TRUE "))

            We destroy our smell in the bud. So we won’t wonder why and how this or that happened. If you want to overcome the Wahhabi radicals, make the specialists work as it should. Everyone has bad and smelling things, and we and you. But unlike from you we do not blame everyone in a row, but we approach the matter purely individually. Out of 100,200, even 1000 terrorists cannot be declared a billion three hundred million people by terrorists and bandits. To understand this special mind is not necessary.
            Yes, by the way, yesterday they killed a woman again on the biryulevo. Moreover, pregnant with particular cruelty and signs of rape. They quickly found a killer who turned out to be local. I look forward to being brought to Kolokoltsev’s office so that he can look into his eyes !!!
            1. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 17: 52
              0
              This is Gabrielian’s newspaper duck, the Ministry of Internal Affairs denies this fact of detention
              On the porch video camera, the face of a CAUCASUS NATIONALITY is recorded - but says that it is HE WHILE EARLY
            2. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 18: 11
              +3
              "I'm looking forward to being brought to Kolokoltsev's office so that he can look him in the eye !!!"
              That's just not necessary. If the Russian killed an Azerbaijanian in your Azerbaijan or raped an Azerbaijani, I am sure he would not have survived to court.
              I remember how your compatriots in Baku booed Alexander Samedov, but Vladimir Levin Maxim Medvedev was not Azerbaijanis, but playing for the national team
              Azerbaijan was not booed or bombarded with different objects, like Samedova. Of course, after all, they played for the Azerbaijanis, as I forgot, because you can and we don’t
              But Ramil Safarov, the national hero of Azerbaijan, who cut off an ax with an Armenian, was an insult to the Armenian, but why didn’t Suil give an action for insulting the Country and the flag?
              Yes, and the Orkhan Zeynalov Azerbaijani diaspora issued after threats from the FSB, which threatened them with difficulties in business.
              So it’s not for you to hint to me that we are "Nazis"
              1. alone
                alone 26 January 2014 18: 27
                +2
                Listen Vlad, the first safarov is not a national hero! enough to carry nonsense here. Secondly, 120-130 thousand Russians live in Azerbaijan, among whom there were those who killed Azerbaijanis at the household mail. All these people received sentences, served time or sit. They were completely alive and healthy. By the way, recently one even he married in a prison. But no one brought them into the minister’s office, the minister didn’t look these people in the eye and didn’t deal with cheap PR, they say, look at how we work.
                Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                Yes, and the Orkhan Zeynalov Azerbaijani diaspora issued after threats from the FSB, which threatened them with difficulties in business.


                Well, yes, you definitely noticed it. It couldn’t be otherwise. One mage who broke his head to the police captain was taken twice. The first time in place, and the second time in a day. It was ridiculous to look at your corrupt cops who, for the sake of money, let go of who broke the skull of a colleague in the service. and now let someone touch a policeman in Baku, they will bury this man alive.

                After the arrest of Zeynalov, several migrants were killed only because they were people of other nationalities. The killers were not found. So you do not want to otitis, but you have to think so.
                Tell me, what were these people who were beaten by the crowd to blame for? Is it really internationalism? By accusing some of them, you completely deny your guilt. That's the problem.
                1. Veteran Vlad.
                  Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 18: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: lonely
                  Blaming some you completely deny your guilt. That’s the problem.

                  I can say the same about you
                  After all, you also write: 1) that right now they will run and start here, as always, from pork skin to the extermination of all Muslims 2) they declare all Muslims to be terrorists and bandits
                  About sales cops You are 100% right, not even 1000% and there are still corrupt officials, they only take more
                  Well, I will not argue with you, because mutual claims
                  will be ad infinitum.
                  I was just offended by your comment: It’s a bit early now, I think in a couple of hours the forum's "Islamic scholars" will catch up. And it will start here, as always, from a pig's skin to the extermination of all Muslims
                  1. alone
                    alone 26 January 2014 23: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                    I was just offended by your comment: It’s a bit early now, I think in a couple of hours the forum's "Islamic scholars" will catch up. And it will start here, as always, from a pig's skin to the extermination of all Muslims


                    Just look in the archive for topics related to Islam, and at least read the comments completely, it will become clear to you why I wrote this)
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 26 January 2014 18: 51
                +1
                Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                Maxim Medvedev

                he is ours, local and Azerbaijani speaks better than I do))) Levin is a Ukrainian. also a man.
                Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                Azerbaijani or raped an Azerbaijani woman, I am sure he would not have survived to court.

                you have infa at the level of comrade Zhirinovsky))) we have already put a video from the wedding in a Russian colony, which received a life sentence and killed 2 Russians, too. but despite this, public opinion will be pardoned for it soon, so Vlad, more kindness , more)))) as the warden said in evil, bad, good - MOOO Fils (more feelings)
                Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                Why did Safarov not sue for insulting the Country and the flag?
                what court, In Hungary. what are you)) his visa ended worse and he had to go back. He acted as an officer who at 5 years old became a refugee. ! YOU Kaloe went and killed, and you gave him the post of deputy minister. Then I think we will argue in another topic))))) (not that topic)
                1. Veteran Vlad.
                  Veteran Vlad. 26 January 2014 19: 07
                  0
                  Well, this is not Us, this is in Ossetia. You know how the national consciousness is developed in the Caucasus. We have many condemned it, that would appoint a killer to such a post
                  Quote: smersh70
                  so Vlad, more kindness, more

                  Well
                  I just took offense at the comment:Now it's still a bit early, I think in a couple of hours the forum's "Islamic scholars" will catch up. And it will start here, as always, from a pig's skin to the extermination of all Muslims
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  13. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 25 January 2014 11: 07
    0
    Last fall I was in the Crimea, where I have a rest almost every year. I am friends with very respected Krymchaks (let's say authoritative). They say that they have started new currents, on the basis of Wahhabitsva. Those. among the Krymchaks, if you have not reached a certain age and social status, then you do not have the right to a beard and the prefix "aha" (respected). Now, bearded youth began to appear. Old people and simply adequate Crimean Tatars condemn.

    A little offtopic, of course ...
  14. visitor
    visitor 25 January 2014 11: 57
    -1
    renegades have always been with any religion
  15. AVV
    AVV 25 January 2014 12: 30
    +2
    The Russian Orthodox Church doesn’t finish it, young people give it to Muslims, girls understand that they would marry a Tatar, a Dag or a Chechen, accept Islam, impose, well, men, what ??? This is a big flaw of the Russian Orthodox Church !!!
    1. Genur
      Genur 25 January 2014 18: 01
      -1
      Weak ROC! And, it seems, more and more losing weight.
      ROC from the inside http://www.ateism.ru/article.htm?no=2209
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 25 January 2014 18: 59
        -1
        yes, she never really tried, but the fact that "at the end of time faith will become scarce" - predicted long ago
      2. Zapasnoy
        Zapasnoy 25 January 2014 22: 27
        +1
        Quote: Genur
        Weak ROC! And, it seems, more and more losing weight.
        ROC from the inside http://www.ateism.ru/article.htm?no=2209

        If you read the information atheistic (essentially hostile to the Church sites), then it really seems that everything is gone. But, in fact, everything is different, our Faith is alive and you can see for yourself yourself by going to the nearest Orthodox Church during Sunday service. I am sure that you will see that young and middle-aged people prevail wink
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 January 2014 14: 30
    +3
    Guys, what do you want if the word "Russian" is practically prohibited by law? What do you want if, during any showdown, the Russians arrive, both from strangers and from their own. When young people see that Muslims are for each other and bend the weak Russians, it is clear who they will be for. At the beginning you make it so that "Russian" sounds proudly. And only then figure out who hit what kind of godforsaken.
  17. Sorry
    Sorry 25 January 2014 20: 37
    +1
    Let these Russians be both Muslims and others. No religion teaches bad things. Only harmful currents, sects should simply be uprooted or burned out with a red-hot iron, as anyone likes. This is no longer the matter of the priests, but the matter of the authorities and the special services in particular. no one should have any illusions either inside the country or anywhere in the world. There was such a preacher, at least to expel him back home, and if ours, then a prison. By the way, our traditional Muslim priests themselves stigmatize and say that nothing These non-humans have nothing to do with Islam. What's the problem? Can't all our special services work? Yes, probably. The agency work has failed, the Wahhabis preach openly even during namaz in mosques, the Russians go to study these "sciences" abroad. What are we waiting for? After all, war has been declared to us in our peaceful cities, ordinary citizens who have not done anything wrong in front of these geeks.
  18. Andrey Ulyanovsky
    Andrey Ulyanovsky 25 January 2014 21: 09
    0
    Quote: TS3sta3
    all terrorists. Islam. kill. explosions. to separate the Caucasus. how long. emigrants. crime. close borders. expel. Afghanistan. heroin. exterminate. to hang. wrap up. dig in. to bomb. pork skins. dogs. Wahhabis.


    What an angel ?! Just removed from the tongue! I am Russian, and therefore I will rush between the above and the adoption of Islam of the worst kind!

    At the time to open a large-scale production of Ostap Bender's "Ceremonial Sets" for all occasions with a labeling unit.

    Fresh example of good Muslim righteous behavior

    1. alone
      alone 25 January 2014 23: 48
      +1
      request and what does Islam have to do with it? It’s an ordinary criminal incident, a scumbag attacked old women. In essence, it’s a usual robbery. Do you think people like this do not exist among Russians or other peoples?
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 26 January 2014 00: 02
      0
      How I would like to be in the place of these two women ...
      So that someone has to prop up the front door so that these two gan.dons cannot go anywhere until the ambulance arrives. They'll need a corpse cart though.

      1. But these elderly women have children, nephews, husbands, brothers. And seeing these shots they do not want a trial, they want to carry out explanatory work with these. And so that no one bothers ...
      2. But those chmyrs have parents who "blew in their ass", fed them from a spoon, dads threw the boys up, laughing and hugging them. Then they went to the First lesson, bought fashionable clothes, phones ...
      And what will they say when they find out on their video that they crawl out ....

      Eeeeeh ..... It is impossible to look and it is difficult to think .....
      At the very two grow ....
  19. shelva
    shelva 25 January 2014 21: 43
    +2
    Once I happened (had to) study at the academy at the Embassy of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in Moscow. The main part of our course consisted of representatives of Russian Muslims - Tatars, Avars, Laks, etc., there were also Orthodox Russians. Studied the Arabic language, Islamic culture and Islamic law (Sharia). For three years of study, not a single Russian converted to Islam and, as far as I know, not a single Muslim from our group became a Wahhabite. And the enticement was specific - at the expense of the kingdom to perform the Hajj - authority is ensured in the Islamic community, "what else is needed to meet old age?"
    But we were adults, these assaults did not affect us, and nearby young students - "enthusiasts" - their mother, were learning Arabic, there were converts among them.
  20. Druid
    Druid 25 January 2014 23: 35
    0
    Religion is the way to Him, which way to go, to choose the person himself, this is a personal, intimate affair. Which person with this nationality does not matter. I know Azerbaijanis who converted to Christianity of the Orthodox and Catholic persuasion, from this they did not become less Azerbaijanis and did not become, for example, Greeks, Russians or Italians and Spaniards.
    To most, for example, Russians, Azerbaijanis, by and large, any religion, having become more a tradition in rituals - baptism, circumcision, wedding / cabins, and finally a funeral; those cases in which the majority remembers something about the temple, and religion.
    Therefore, conversations, they say, converted to Islam, abandoning Orthodoxy and as a result of this ceased to be Russian funny, such statements are characteristic of the gorlopans. It’s elementary to remember just about atheists.

    The problem is the so-called radical Islam, this is a problem of soil for him, while there will be soil for him to overcome it is impossible. The problems of the unsuccessful struggle in Russia against radical Islam are the elementary lack of competent people among those who make decisions. Liquidation, a lot of noise, and in response dozens of innocent people die.
    Many Russians live in no better conditions than the inhabitants of the North Caucasian republics - lawlessness, poverty, corruption, etc.
    Why Russian Muslims are more radical than traditional Muslims, the answer is simple, firstly, the adoption of Islam is already a radical step for Russians, secondly, Russians have weaker intra-family and intra-clan ties and relations, which serve as a kind of brake on Muslims from peoples who traditionally practice Islam.
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  22. Power
    Power 26 January 2014 04: 10
    0
    Rather, from a hundred people to a thousand. The author really wants to wishful thinking. If a person has embarked on the path of terrorism or extremism, this does not mean that he has become a Muslim. God bless the candle, that the devil of the poker is all the same, demolished the church, it will be necessary and we will demolish the mosques.