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New life of European separatism

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The one and a half million demonstrations in Barcelona in support of Catalan independence and the Catalan parliament, which came under the control of two separatist parties, became the most visible signs of a new flourishing of separatism in Europe. Earlier, in October 2012, British Prime Minister Cameron and Scottish First Minister Salmond signed an agreement to hold a referendum on the independence of this part of the United Kingdom in 2014. At the same time in the local elections in Belgium, Flemish separatists from the "New Flemish Alliance" won. Nationalists also came to power in the Basque Country in Spain ...


The examples cited are just the “surface part” of Europe’s huge separatist iceberg, which includes more 40 political parties and social movements that are part of the European Free Alliance. This non-governmental organization is a kind of European internationalist regionalists, autonomists and moderate separatists. In the same Spain, in addition to the rebellious Catalans and the Basques, the separatists operate in Andalusia, Asturias, Valencia and Galicia.

In Italy, the incessant desire of the rich north to form their own state called Padania regularly holds the central authorities in suspense. Another part of Italy’s north, South Tyrol, dominated by the German population, was also intensified. Separatists in this region are demanding a referendum for joining a more prosperous Austria.

In France, supporters of independence are multiplying in Corsica, in Provence, Savoy and Brittany. In Corsica, for example, the activities of militants from the underground organization Corsican National Independence in 1990-s cost the lives of more than three thousand people. In Provence, warfare did not come to an end, but the idea of ​​an independent Occitania is present in the minds. Occitan separatism is especially noticeable in Nice. This city was annexed to France under the 1860 treaty of the year with the Sardinian kingdom. In the same year, Savoy was annexed to France. Celebrating the 100 anniversary of this event as well as in Nice, led to a surge in separatism. A small circle "Club Savoyard Savoy" grew up in the "Savoy League".

The Bretons are of the opinion that they are more French than the French themselves; at the same time they have their own language, extending into the depths of the Celtic stories. The Bretons have a bad attitude towards immigrants from Asia and Africa who have filled the country - the percentage of Arabs and blacks in the region is insignificant. From among them came the head of the National Front, Marine Le Pen, who, incidentally, defends the territorial integrity of France.

In Poland, separatists were discovered in Upper Silesia, which formerly belonged to Germany. The movement for autonomy of Upper Silesia was created as early as 1990, and would have been considered a gathering of marginalized people, if during the 2002 population census it was not revealed that thousands of people in the country chose to call themselves 173 not as Poles, but as Silesians. Experts say that in the whole of Poland the Silesians number at least a million people.

Catalonia: to be a referendum!

Today in Europe, those provinces that donate towards their neighbors and the center revolt first of all. These include Catalonia in Spain. The main discontent of the Catalans is in the wrong, in their opinion, the distribution of finances. They believe that the central government in Madrid, taking tax revenues from Catalonia, does not return them to the regional treasury in the proper amount. In Catalonia, they claim that every year the local government pays the center an ounce of more than a billion euros for the 16 than it spends on its own. The Catalans are tired of sponsoring the rest of the country, while the state of the local infrastructure leaves much to be desired. And despite the fact that in terms of GDP per capita (more than 30 thousand euros!), Catalonia is on a par with Great Britain and Austria.

Economic difficulties are imposed on centuries of historical and language disputes between the Catalans and the rest of Spain. Residents of the region, in particular, speak their own specific language, which belongs to the Gallo-Romance group of languages ​​and is very close to the Occitan language in French Provence. The language of the Catalans for many generations was oppressed by the Spanish authorities, and during the dictatorship Franco was completely banned.

November 25 The 2012 year in Catalonia held extraordinary regional elections, in which parties that are in favor of separating Catalonia from Spain won almost two-thirds of the seats in the local parliament. Long before they were held, the head of the Catalan government, Arthur Mas, promised that if he won them, he would hold a referendum on independence.

So it happened. A vote on the independence of Catalonia is scheduled for November 9 of 2014. The government of the Spanish province adopted such a decision, despite the direct prohibition of Madrid. The Declaration of Sovereignty of the Parliament of Catalonia adopted at the beginning of 2012. However, the Spanish Constitutional Court immediately declared the document illegal. And the current step of the Catalan Cabinet in the Spanish capital was commented on in the same vein: there will be no referendum.

To which of the "rebellious" provinces answered: there may go for a unilateral declaration of independence. Confirming these words on January 16, the confident majority of the Catalan Parliament (87 vs 43 with 3 abstentions) confirmed the government’s decision and voted in favor of a referendum on independence.

Flemish against the Walloons

The economic crisis revealed a chronic ulcer of separatism in Belgium, which consists of two parts, in which two non-close people live. The southern part is Wallonia, where French-speaking Walloons reside. North - Flanders, or the Flemish region of Belgium, whose population speaks Dutch.

Up until the end of the Second World War, the power in the country belonged to the Walloons. Thanks to coal mines and heavy industry, Wallonia was superior to Flanders in economic development. The language of the Flemish, constituting more than half of the country's population, was not even official. But after the end of the war, Flanders, on the basis of new high-tech industries, managed to reach a leading position in the economy. Flemish became the second state language - along with French. Wallonia is in crisis. The steel and coal industry, as the "postindustrial economy" grew, gradually died.

Against the backdrop of the critical state of European finance, the more economically developed Flanders is becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the current mechanism of tax deductions to the country's budget. On average, the northern part of Belgium each year transfers to the state treasury an 16 billion euro more than the southern one. The integrity of the country is also threatened because more than half of the 11 million people in Belgium live in Flanders.

At the local elections held in Belgium in October 2012, the Flemish nationalists won the elections for the full independence of Flanders. Their leader, Bart de Vever, who became the mayor of Antwerp after the victory of his party, constantly notes the perverse, in his view, system of redistributing finances in favor of Wallonia. “The Flemish are tired of being mistaken for cows that are needed only because of the milk they give,” says de Wever.

The Flemish nationalists now make it clear that if Scotland gets a pass to the European Union and NATO, they will be next in line. They will probably make the final decision based on the results of the next parliamentary elections, which will be held on 25 on May 2014, simultaneously with the elections to the European Parliament.

In the event of the disappearance of Belgium from the map of Europe, the consequences will be unpredictable - and this is for the entire continent. If Flanders wants to unite with Holland, we will talk about the complete redivision of borders. In addition, the Walloons and Flemings will engage in a tough battle for the right to control the capital Brussels, where the most important institutions of the European Union are located, including the headquarters of the EU and the European Parliament.

Scots believe in the North Sea

There is no doubt that 15 October 2012 of the year was one of the most important dates in the modern history of Great Britain. On this day, United Kingdom Prime Minister David Cameron and First Minister of Scotland Alex Salmond signed an agreement to hold a referendum on the independence of Scotland in 2014. The referendum will be held 18 September. “Do I believe that we will achieve independence? Yes I believe you. I think we will get it ... ”- said Alex Salmond after signing the fateful agreement.

In independent Scotland, it is proposed to leave the British pound sterling as the currency, and the head of the country - the Queen of Great Britain. At the same time, Scotland will also have its own armed forces. From the territory of Scotland is supposed to take out the British nuclear weapon.

In an attempt to convince the Scots to vote in a referendum for independence, the nationalists place the main emphasis on the fact that, after leaving the UK, Scotland will be able to independently dispose of the natural resources that it has to share with the center today. We are talking about oil and gas reserves, which are produced on the Scottish shelf in the North Sea.

Alex Salmond says: “Look at the other side of the North Sea. And you will see a country in which oil and gas occupy a much larger share in the economy than in Scotland. Despite the volatility of this type of economy, Norway is the only country in Europe that does not have a budget deficit. She has a future generation fund in excess of 300 billion pounds. ”

If the population votes for independence, it will be declared 24 March 2016. Until that time, Edinburgh and London will have to agree on the conditions for the division of Great Britain, formed in its current form after the signing of the Union Act between England and Scotland in 1707.

Independence for Scotland is fraught for Britain with its relegation to the role of a secondary state, which 6 directly warned the former NATO Secretary General George Robertson, by the way, a Scot by nationality, on January 12 in The Washington Post. Robertson is particularly worried about the fact that "the British nuclear base is located in Scotland, and now supporters of the exit insist on its transfer outside the country."

In any case, the process of balkanization of Europe and its fragmentation into smaller states will probably begin in the coming months.
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  1. delfinN
    delfinN 25 January 2014 09: 30
    +8
    That's tryndets this European Union.
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 25 January 2014 15: 48
      +15
      Quote: delfinN
      That's tryndets this European Union.

      This is not the EU, this is the West itself.
      Ukrainian events are a trifle compared to European "premieres". The only difference is that the entire media structure of the entire West works on Ukrainian benderlogs. And their separatism is hushed up in every possible way.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 25 January 2014 19: 35
        -4
        A very "important" topic for the Russian people. The growth of the dollar is more relevant to me, because devalues ​​my salary (I receive it in rubles). Or the handover of our former aircraft carrier to India
        http://monk.com.ua/interesting_and_incredibly/2014/01/18/avianosec-vikramaditya-
        usovershenstvovannyy-kreyser-admiral-gorshkov.html
        And for those
        who gets paid in dollars - why not worry for the European Union or for US government debt. wink
        1. Salamander
          Salamander 25 January 2014 20: 55
          +8
          Quote: S_mirnov
          A very "important" topic for the Russian people. The growth of the dollar is more relevant to me, because devalues ​​my salary (I receive it in rubles).


          Well, VO will start releasing articles every day about whether the dollar is rising or falling. Do you want me to write them myself? laughing This is not a bank, they are more interested in military and political news. In addition, it is also possible to understand from them whether the dollar (euro) will rise or fall ...
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 25 January 2014 22: 03
            -1
            Quote: Salamander
            In addition, it is also possible to understand from them whether the dollar (euro) will rise or fall ...

            And what are your predictions for an article on European separatism
            , for the dollar and our defense industry? How did this article help you predict the future of you and our country? laughing
            1. Salamander
              Salamander 25 January 2014 23: 46
              +2
              For the dollar, nothing, since this article is not about America. Although these events are likely to strengthen the dollar. But the euro is unlikely to grow.
              Yes, and again: your aura next year will shine blue laughing
            2. Wellych
              Wellych 26 January 2014 07: 09
              +3
              forecasts are useless, it all depends on what Mr. Draghi and Zhenya Yelen suck. In the current economy, tied to re-lending, it is quite possible to make a dollar at 1000 rubles or 10 cents per gallon of gasoline, but at the same time get half a kilo in poverty. And poverty itself can be taught patriotically, but the problem is with 400 million trunks.
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 26 January 2014 10: 02
                +1
                Quote: Wellych
                In the current economy, tied to re-lending, it is quite possible to make a dollar for 1000 rubles

                absolutely right! If you try to find the formula by which the dollar / ruble rate is calculated, then you will not find it, because the rate is not calculated, but assigned.
          2. zvereok
            zvereok 26 January 2014 01: 48
            0
            Well, VO will start releasing articles every day about whether the dollar is rising or falling. Do you want me to write them myself?


            Enough 1 once a year - since 2008, the ruble has been falling, prices are rising, the government will not admit its guilt.
            1. Wellych
              Wellych 26 January 2014 07: 03
              0
              Tyk from the fact that it falls on the tanks that need to be printed. The main thing is that salaries do not lag behind prices.
        2. ty60
          ty60 25 January 2014 22: 57
          +2
          I get it in rubles, my friend. However, all my life I have been repeating to my grandchildren the words of my grandfather: you’re not living in an airless space, you’ll be affected by any of your actions. Here are the conclusions and do it. Problems with the wallet? Maybe requests are exorbitant?
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 25 January 2014 22: 59
          +1
          Quote: S_mirnov
          A very "important" topic for the Russian people.


          Just an important topic. Russians have nothing to do with it. Excited about the dollar - Wali in America. Notice at the same time I plus your message;)
        4. Wellych
          Wellych 26 January 2014 06: 51
          -1
          Well, who cares, let us out of solidarity, for the next five minutes, I worry about the US debt.
        5. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 26 January 2014 12: 06
          +1
          Give daily bulletins on VO about S_mirnov's salary!
          This is the main event of Russia and the world as a whole!
          Respected. The world is not only you.
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 25 January 2014 20: 54
        +2
        Ukrainian events are a trifle compared to European "premieres".


        It is precisely with the help of chopping off Ukraine in the form of an "association with the EU" that the gamerope is trying to stay afloat, passing all the problems to Ukraine, which, in their opinion, will have to pay for their stability.
        So all these maydaunas fulfill a specific paid order.
        1. ACKiPaPa,
          ACKiPaPa, 26 January 2014 13: 43
          +2
          Andrey57
          That's just with the help of chopping off Ukraine ...

          In fact, we are seeing a classic example of what can be described as follows:Set fire to a neighbor's barn so that no one looks at how your barely stands... An example from life: the Russo-Japanese war "small and" victorious "" to distract people from the problems in the state, yes ... and to rob repeat - true, the war "Poor" came out, well ... it didn't work, it happens request... Europe is doing exactly the same thing now. And besides Ukraine, they go for distribution; Moldova, Syria, Africa ... the list is endless - some will settle down / fall apart, find others. The truth about how this policy ends - first in 1905, and later in 1917, the euro-scammers are trying not to remember, certainly not aloud. Straight Deja-wu for some; "Maybe it will carry" in "English" belay Gorby taught something - he seems to live in Germany, with other, hmm, "refugees". Unfortunately, this does not make it easier for the rest. After all, by the time "your" shed collapses, the ashes of the neighbor's will be taken away for gardens and firewood.
          1. ACKiPaPa,
            ACKiPaPa, 26 January 2014 14: 09
            0
            Regarding "Independent". He walks me on privilege (so that, apparently, he knew the line of the "party" soldier ) "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" and very interesting materials come across, and so, in the summer or spring (I can search exactly if necessary) there was an interesting article there. I don't remember the name either, but it was made based on materials from European publications, the point is that a very curious map is attached to it "from there", and we are talking about how Ukraine in the NEAREST 20-30 years will split into 3 independent parts: "Zapadentsiya", the pro-Russian east (possibly as part of the Russian Federation) and Ukraine itself (Kiev and adjacent regions). The latter is true, in light of what is happening now, is unlikely. And THIS long before the "Maidan" ...
            These are the pies with kittens. hi
      3. Salamander
        Salamander 25 January 2014 21: 01
        +7
        "Nothing lasts forever before the moon." Both the world in the West and the borders of states - everything is starting to change. Who said that the EU is an eternal structure? It's time for the good gentlemen to take care of their problems a little. Just when the United States is not quite, say, before them ...
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 26 January 2014 15: 55
          0
          Last time, England and France were not invited correctly, this time they took into account their mistakes.
      4. AVV
        AVV 26 January 2014 21: 04
        0
        Europe should call its union in a different way !!! A blue union of non-traditional states or a homo union of European minorities, or an Arab-African homo-forming union of many options, but one essence is a degrading formation going to the bottom and like a drowning man grabs all who are nearby and drowning not only one, but also pulls everyone who is nearby into his funnel !!! Here, Ukraine has seized the West and is trying to pull it behind itself !!! Only strong leaders can prevent them from doing this, and people who will not allow themselves to experiment !!!
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 25 January 2014 22: 58
      +2
      Quote: delfinN
      That's tryndets this European Union.



      Verbally. Tryndets this hello to the new. Finally, nationalists of a global scale have simply grown up, who can easily redraw the map of Europe. That's all. And what did all this geyropa want ??? They lived for themselves by robbery and intrigue, and as a result they received newly-invented intriguers who wanted to rob the Maltz.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 25 January 2014 23: 08
      +1
      Quote: delfinN
      That's tryndets this European Union.

      I wonder what tryndets?
      This is a recipe for Yugoslavia - the freedom and self-determination of the nation!
      For themselves, such tricks do not pass and will never pass; they will be hung on pillars there in accordance with the letter of the law and democratic standards, but they will not allow a split!
      This is a recipe for illiterate Slavs, they do not care how they will be accepted to Europe - in the form of a country or in the form of a "food base"!
    4. Evgenij.
      Evgenij. 26 January 2014 09: 40
      0
      RANO, in Ukraine stretched from a dozen years
  2. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 25 January 2014 15: 22
    +21
    So it is tempting to wish with all my heart and in all hearings - good luck sirs, hera, monsieur and lords! ..
    And wish not for evil, but for edification. After all, once you were so sincerely happy about the collapse of the Union ... Now feel it on your own skin, you are our civilized ...
    1. PPL
      PPL 25 January 2014 16: 44
      +2
      The contagion of separatism began to flourish violently in our country "thanks" to the non-intoxicated EBN: "Take as much sovereignty as you can swallow."
      It's good that now the heads are sober. I hope that on May 9, Article 280.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation will begin to work, which establishes criminal liability "for public calls for the implementation of actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation."
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 25 January 2014 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: PPZ
        The infection of separatism began to flourish violently in our country "thanks to" the non-drunken EBN

        The infection of separatism began to flourish even earlier with the sober-up of the HMS (Gorbachev, Mikhail Sergeyevich born in 1931 ...). It was under his strict guidance that the Union came to collapse ...
        And such a phenomenon as "non-hungover EBN"This is just a consequence and continuation of Gorbachev's policy ...
    2. Yuri Sev Caucasus
      Yuri Sev Caucasus 25 January 2014 16: 47
      +4
      they forgot one simple truth, do not dig a hole in another, or the same fate will not pass by,
      the so-called boomerang effect =) it remains to wait when it reaches the USA
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 25 January 2014 18: 33
        0
        soon and alaska will be ours
        1. atalef
          atalef 25 January 2014 18: 47
          +6
          Quote: platitsyn70
          soon and alaska will be ours

          belay
          You are from Uzbekistan - I was not mistaken?
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 25 January 2014 21: 15
            +2
            Quote: atalef You are from Uzbekistan - I was not mistaken? [/ Quote

            He’s also a little crazy. But I think there is a Russian man throwing komenty, and for him Alaska and Uzbekistan, this is all the territory of the Union. But Alaska is not enough for us, Fort Ross with California and Hawaii is ours too. And not any nails.
          2. Ivan.
            Ivan. 25 January 2014 22: 16
            +7
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: platitsyn70
            soon and alaska will be ours

            belay
            You are from Uzbekistan - I was not mistaken?

            He is from the greatest country in the world! Union of Soviet Socialist Republics! Learn - a student! laughing
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 25 January 2014 22: 11
          +3
          Quote: platitsyn70
          soon and alaska will be ours

          And I thought that she was already ours ...
    3. predator.3
      predator.3 25 January 2014 21: 04
      +4
      Question: - And to whom is all this separatism beneficial? only not to the population!
      I remember in the 90th in Ufa they arranged something like a maidan, and there all sorts of goat-bearded initial employees of all research institutes shouted with foam at our mouths, we lost oil, wood, rare metals, oil refineries in Bashkiria, and we will live like Kuwaiti sheikhs, only need
      Sovereignty, fuck you guessed it!
    4. timer
      timer 25 January 2014 22: 03
      +2
      How happy I am with this news. For me, let them gnaw. We are all trying to teach democracy of the American or European spill. So let them drink it to the bottom and choke it! In short, the worse our "friends" are, so Russia has the opportunity to actively solve its problems at last something !!
  3. alone
    alone 25 January 2014 15: 24
    +9
    Separatism is a very dangerous trend that threatens the collapse of countries. Any attempt at separatism must be harshly suppressed. Otherwise, it will be too late.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 25 January 2014 15: 32
      +3
      Some tear, others may disintegrate as if by themselves. I do not like something about all this.
    2. smile
      smile 25 January 2014 16: 02
      +4
      alone
      Everything is correct. But I can't believe something. that they are all flaunting there. Europeans have always suppressed such tendencies extremely harshly, and will not hesitate now. Collapse is possible only in one case - with a very significant aggravation of the economic crisis, which will turn into a political crisis. The same applies to the American separatists - but these will surely cope with them ....... Although .... I did not believe that the Union had collapsed even after the Belovezhskaya betrayal. But they "helped" us to fall apart, and dozens of institutes worked for this. a host of international organizations, in which the Bloc of Captive Peoples played a leading role. created in 43 or 44 by the Nazis by the hands of Bandera. Monstrous means were poured into the collapse of the USSR. decades of titanic subversion. And the Europeans do not have this decisive factor. Okay, wait and see. Maybe, forced to deal with their own problems, they will at least stop climbing to us.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 January 2014 20: 43
        +1
        Quote: smile
        they "helped" us to fall apart, and dozens of institutes worked for this. a host of international organizations, in which the Bloc of Captive Peoples played a leading role. created in 43 or 44 by the Nazis by the hands of Bandera. Monstrous means were poured into the collapse of the USSR.

        Hi Smile! As always, think big)))) and you don’t want to look at internal processes, especially in the light of national separatism. This is where the dog was buried !!!!!!!!!
        1. smile
          smile 25 January 2014 23: 05
          +1
          smersh70
          Greetings, Smersh! Sorry, but I did not quite understand where exactly the internal processes are? If we have, then these internal processes are nine-tenths added. Moreover, we have been fanned from us for decades, sometimes centuries. If you do not agree with something, specify and I will specifically answer. We practically did not have any internal prerequisites for separatism.
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 25 January 2014 21: 53
        +3
        Quote: smile
        All right. But something I can’t believe. that they all fall apart.

        Vladimir!smile
        By the way, did you notice the humor?
        In independent Scotland, the British pound is proposed as the currency, and the Queen of Great Britain is the head of the country.

        Separate but leave the old owner! winked
        The smaller the country, the less real sovereignty it has, the less likely it is to create a full-fledged army, a serious intelligence service, science, culture and generally resist trends from outside. The described is in full agreement with the antichrist’s anticipated arrival in the wake of chaos and in completely prepared ground for infrastructure for globalization and electronic control. The future belongs to supranational governments in the form of transnational corporations and everything is seized there according to plan, even for new billionaires gently laughingare forced to give up part of their fortunes and engage in "charity". Law 210 of the Russian Federation of 2010 on public services, which implies, over time, the transfer of these duties / services to effective private hands, I think in other countries the legislation is also being brought into line. In general, the offensive is being carried out on all fronts, including those that we are not aware of, and if we survived, I would say only by a miracle.
        1. smile
          smile 25 January 2014 23: 20
          0
          Ivan.
          Hello, Ivan.
          I noticed, and, I confess, I was surprised - I did not know about it before .... they are somehow strange. :)))
          With the ephemeral nature of the sovereignty of small countries, everything is clear, it’s strange that the European separatists don’t know about it ... probably, like our parish people in the republics and the Elbon, I want to be the most important, even in a country with a flower bed, but the most, and that the population will be worse, spit from a high bell tower. :)))

          And as for the preparation of Russian legislation, I probably don’t agree ... We are consciously and sometimes simply stupidly adopting methods and technologies for solving problems. Sometimes it benefits us, sometimes it harms us.
          Attempts to create supranational governments have been and will always be. But at least I kill, I don’t believe that they will succeed - politicians are not able to agree in one country, but here ... although the jester knows them.
          As for armageddon ... I think we ourselves are completely capable of destroying ourselves, and no less efficiently than any Antichrist - look at what’s going on in the world .... It smells like a burner already.
      3. Ducksar
        Ducksar 26 January 2014 11: 09
        0
        so it is necessary to "help" them. suggest the "right" direction!
      4. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 26 January 2014 11: 48
        +1
        Quote: smile
        Perhaps, forced to deal with their own problems, they will at least stop climbing to us.

        It is unlikely. They are like that "Ukrainian": if I don't eat it, I'll take a bite! They are enraged by the quiet life of their neighbors. They don't see a log in their own eye, but they will notice a speck in someone else's eye; it is in their blood.
    3. 120352
      120352 25 January 2014 20: 29
      +1
      And Yanukovych seems to be late.
    4. ty60
      ty60 25 January 2014 23: 04
      0
      here’s the Caucasus and they’re stopping the loot. A fist really would have to.
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  5. major071
    major071 25 January 2014 15: 34
    +12
    Soon, Europe will resemble a patchwork quilt. Many small states with their kings, princes, presidents, etc. There is a return to the medieval map of Europe, where some principalities could be overcome in one day, and now you can drive in a good car in 5 minutes. Only gazulku from the border into the floor pressed, everything, stop, the next border. The most important thing is that this infection would not come to us, to burn it with iron. Russia is and will be a single state. hi
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 January 2014 15: 38
      +14
      Quote: major071
      Europe will soon resemble a quilt

      Including so ..
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 25 January 2014 16: 07
      +5
      Quote: major071
      Russia is and will be a single state.


      (+) Naturally, I personally have always been supporters of the return of the borders that existed before the First World War, neither those of Ukraine nor those of Poland, etc. Yugoslavia
      1. 120352
        120352 25 January 2014 20: 34
        +5
        Do not forget the Grand Duchy of Finland and our territories on the southern coast of the Caspian Sea, in northern Iran. All must be returned. And increment!
    3. smile
      smile 25 January 2014 16: 07
      0
      major071
      If Europe turns into a patchwork. it only strengthens the dictatorship of the United States - they will need a gendarme to restore order there, since a return to the medieval map will inevitably cause a lot of interstate conflicts.
    4. 120352
      120352 25 January 2014 20: 32
      +3
      And it would be nice to return the territory of the Russian Empire to Russia. Is it in vain that our ancestors have grown our territories ?!
  6. Fin
    Fin 25 January 2014 15: 38
    +11
    How I want the separation of Scotland. The descendants of the Celts deserve to live in an independent country.
    1. avg
      avg 25 January 2014 16: 53
      +3
      Quote: Fin
      How I want the separation of Scotland. The descendants of the Celts deserve to live in an independent country.

      I fully support.
      Nothing personal. Exclusively to clarify their thoughts, their own English writer Stevenson: "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones at others" hi
      1. 120352
        120352 25 January 2014 20: 35
        0
        Sorry...
  7. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 25 January 2014 15: 38
    +3
    Small states, the EU is easier to bend for themselves to build a federation, maybe this is part of the scenario, as are gay marriage ?! hi
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 25 January 2014 21: 23
      0
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      Small states, maybe this is part of the scenario, like gay marriage ?!

      Well, it’s better in our big state than to homosexual.
  8. knn54
    knn54 25 January 2014 15: 45
    +5
    Eat the soup prepared for us.
  9. Deniska999
    Deniska999 25 January 2014 15: 48
    0
    By the way, something similar was already in November.
  10. cayman gene
    cayman gene 25 January 2014 15: 53
    +10
    this is normal. I also want that in Ukraine everything that is west of Vinnitsa, and perhaps Vinnitsa too, with the exception of the grave of Nikolai Ivanovich Pirogov, went to her mother.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 25 January 2014 16: 06
      +2
      Quote: Cayman Gena
      all that is west of Vinnitsa, and perhaps Vinnitsa too, with the exception of the grave of Nikolai Ivanovich Pirogov, went to her mother.

    2. demel2
      demel2 25 January 2014 17: 22
      +4
      Not Vinnitsa is not necessary, this is my homeland, and you are her geyropu.
  11. Tatarus
    Tatarus 25 January 2014 16: 12
    +3
    For Europe, the Boomerang Return Era begins.
  12. 120352
    120352 25 January 2014 16: 13
    +2
    There could be no other continuation for the European Union project! No resources available. Today the EU is an unification of the poor and the half-poor. Germany alone will not feed everyone, and the rest, especially the "multiculturalists", came here to devour. But they have already eaten everything. And out of boredom, they began to introduce Islam everywhere by traditional means: fire and sword. But the sword will dominate more and more every day. Most likely, the Europeans will answer adequately: they will destroy the aggressive Muslims, and the non-aggressive will be sent somewhere to equatorial Africa, into the sands.
    Then the "Ukrainian dream" will come true and it will be accepted by the EU, but it will be accepted with only one task: to dismantle the rubble from the catastrophe and revive Germany (there will simply be no other states). Perhaps, at the same time, they will even be fed a little with something, some kind of GMO, as a result of which the Ukrainians will simply die quietly after completing the tasks of clearing the rubble. It looks like a variant of Malthusianism. But it won't work otherwise. For another, nobody needs them in Europe.
    1. demel2
      demel2 25 January 2014 17: 26
      +1
      Do you think that these pe ... rusts can destroy aggressive Muslims? It's unlikely.
      1. 120352
        120352 25 January 2014 20: 38
        +3
        I believe that they need to be destroyed.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 25 January 2014 20: 47
          -4
          Quote: 120352
          I believe that they need to be destroyed.

          why, by the way, you are not talking about national Christians at the same time, let’s say. you poured so much dirt on Muslims and Islam that time. and are silent in the light of the fact that the aggressive Christian separatist was killed on the Maidan, although he zealously speaks out against the Maidan and maydanschikov.
          What kind of living hurt and be silent ...
          1. ty60
            ty60 25 January 2014 23: 15
            0
            you go to the Maidan ..
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 25 January 2014 23: 41
              0
              Quote: ty60
              you go to the Maidan ..

              if the question is for me, what have I lost there bully
              the question was to 120352. he knows what it is about. a zealous fan and defender of our neighbors ....
        2. alone
          alone 26 January 2014 23: 19
          +2
          You know, all the same, you should not have been fired in reserve. It would be better if you sailed on a submarine and less often went ashore. As captain Nemo)) laughing
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 26 January 2014 02: 14
        0
        The "rastas" have the same problem as we do - the aging of the population.
    2. smile
      smile 25 January 2014 23: 48
      +1
      120352
      Of course, the change in the national composition of the population and the flooding of countries by radicals is a serious problem for Europe and an even more serious danger.
      Previously, it was the other way around - the good Europeans did not give life to those countries where they had come to visit now ... and the Europeans prevented them from living harder than they did to the Europeans now ... and the Europeans did there such that no Muslim radicals could dream in their sweet dreams , they stopped the development of these peoples, actually kept them in slavery, destroyed millions ... so that it’s worth thinking about a boomerang ..

      But I'm not about to destroy all the aggressive ones, but to evict the rest? In the first case, these are millions, in the second, tens of millions. And mixed marriages? And the children from mixed marriages? Adopt Nuremberg Laws Again? Since then there would again be no Nuremberg tribunal ...
      It will not be possible to destroy millions of people without a system of death camps, for those expelled it is also necessary to build concentration and transit camps, a huge network, larger than the Nazi one.
      Can you imagine a situation in which Europe is again covered by a network of camps? I, no ... for now ... In addition, such an attitude towards fellow tribesmen, as well as unwillingness to become the next victim, will simply push ALL Muslims into the ranks of the radicals ... and then Europe is definitely a khan.
      By the way, a finger that is sick is treated, not chopped .... although, for the sake of fairness, it should be recognized that Europeans do not treat it - they let it go and the infection spreads ....
  13. Anaris
    Anaris 25 January 2014 16: 13
    0
    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
    Small states, the EU is easier to bend for themselves to build a federation

    By the way, a sensible idea, if not immediately then after the nationalist-minded guys in the governments of new states (some) are gradually replaced by more moderate ones.
  14. Arh
    Arh 25 January 2014 16: 29
    0
    European people don’t live, pains are splintering)))
  15. q_556
    q_556 25 January 2014 16: 44
    +1
    So much for tolerance towards national minorities: now they demand independence.
    It is strange that Ireland was not mentioned in the article: the IRA (Irish Republican Army) has been fighting for the independence of Ireland for almost a hundred years, only if they used to do it through terrorist attacks, now they are peaceful: they created their own party, put forward a program, and already received a partial autonomy and self-government.
  16. mountain
    mountain 25 January 2014 16: 48
    0
    If this continues to develop, Europe, then there will be many, many buttons from the codpiece and one such huge, button Russia.
  17. Yuri Sev Caucasus
    Yuri Sev Caucasus 25 January 2014 16: 52
    +3
    what holiday they had in 1991 with the collapse of the USSR now get a hangover, let their head ache from separatism and national movements now they have =)
  18. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 25 January 2014 17: 10
    +7
    from the Don.
    West by West, but first of all, we need to look at our state. Not everything is safe in: the Danish kingdom: Dagestan, Chechnya, Bashkiria, Tatarstan ....
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  20. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 25 January 2014 17: 30
    +3
    The basic principles of international law: the principle of territorial integrity of states and the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples. When the state is strong. the first one works, when it weakens, the second one. Glad for Europe and especially for England. Cheers to independent Scotland, independent Texas and self-determination of the Indian peoples.
  21. saygon66
    saygon66 25 January 2014 18: 17
    0
    - After the collapse of the USSR, an article by some American leader flashed in one of the newspapers with the following content: "The Union collapsed, we wanted it, we made a lot of effort for this, and as a result we have a crowd of uncontrolled, hungry and angry people who have access to nuclear weapons. It's scary ... "In a bad situation, Russia will receive on its western borders a" new Iraq "or" new Afghan "- a territory where everyone is against everyone. And if you imagine that the local guest workers will take over - in general ATAS! Such, damn it, alternative history, you panic ...
  22. Stinger
    Stinger 25 January 2014 19: 15
    +1
    Empire does not like, separatism does not like, but what do you like?
  23. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 January 2014 19: 28
    +3
    Quote: Today in Europe, those provinces that donate towards their neighbors and the center revolt first of all.

    In Ukraine, the opposite is true: the west of Ukraine rebelled against the East of the country that feeds them ...At least, a strange situation ...
    1. ty60
      ty60 25 January 2014 23: 19
      0
      Well, San Francisco rules.
  24. Valentine77 64
    Valentine77 64 25 January 2014 19: 35
    +1
    What will our great human rights defenders say if they (who want self-determination) are dispersed in w ... opera (the eastern part of the mainland) with batons. Type: Again, the bloody Putin is guilty - does not give freedom e ... f ... ne.
    How they got us. I'm sick of. Watching TV and seeing how much it costs to someone with an Amer’s passport and in a high position in the State Department and says: Assad is such and such that Putin interferes with the choice of the people of the Westerners, that the poor inhabitants of Papua New Guinea want democracy and want to help the poor to the Ukrainian people.
    We got all these.
    (Cry from the heart)
  25. borys
    borys 25 January 2014 19: 40
    +3
    For atalef.
    You asked a question to my fellow countryman, he has not yet answered. I will try to answer for
    him. In Uzbekistan, there are still not so few Russians (and represent
    leaders of other nationalities). So, these Russians do not consider Russia-
    other people's problems for themselves.
    1. alone
      alone 25 January 2014 19: 44
      0
      I think Russia has enough problems that need to be addressed. But as for Aljaska, you obviously went too far. I think that it’s enough to live with fantasies, it’s time to fall to the ground.
      1. 120352
        120352 25 January 2014 20: 46
        0
        Without fantasies, life becomes boring. And without fantasies, it is impossible to solve the pressing problems of Russia. And Alaska is beautiful! I work 11 months a year for the good of Russia and spend 1 month in Alaska. No need to take her back! Once already they could not cope with it. Do not repeat mistakes.
  26. Valentine77 64
    Valentine77 64 25 January 2014 19: 48
    +2
    Today I talked with one man (about 60 years old, probably). I wanted a large portrait of I.F. Stalin. And prove to me that I.F. Stalin had 5 hero stars. (ready to say, give his head for clipping. Find me his portrait with 5 Stars.) I had to convince him. Then we had a conversation about how it used to be good and how bad it is now, and what the current President is ... l.
    Having listened to all of him, I asked him a simple question: Are you pushing us young to barricades? Why do you yourself, when the USSR collapsed, didn’t go to the barricades? Why?
    You wanted freedom, porn on TV, legalized prostitution, etc. etc.?
    To which I was called in response to bad words and my grandfather left.

    Now the question is for the older generation, which survived the 70s, 80s and 90s, what do you want from us? Are you talking about ... whether the country is for candy wrappers, not us. And now we need to collect the country. No generation desires a worse life for their future.
    (GOT !!!)
    1. dddym
      dddym 25 January 2014 21: 49
      +1
      Are you seriously? White ribbons like Navalny are pushing you to the barricades ... What does this old man have to do with it? Well, 60 years old, so what? Don't you understand what treason is? Pay attention to Kiev where policemen are beaten and the authorities cannot intercede for them - what is the attitude to the authorities? Then they didn’t go to the barricades precisely because the traitors were in power! To fight for treacherous power - what for ???? And in general, what a tone: we are young and old — well, the people are divided into old and small — you don’t want to answer for your country at all since you sent the old people to the barricades and you want to sit out for yourself? Maybe let some Americans trample our land then? With all the form of your question, you acted like a real demagogue. Forbidden reception is called.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 26 January 2014 12: 02
      +1
      Quote: Valentine77 64
      . No generation desires a worse life for their future.
      (GOT !!!)

      So we wanted this so that our children and grandchildren would live in abundance and free! We thought that we would heal. Here we healed, but not us but the oligarchs. Western propaganda has done its job, and we fell for it. From you young people now only one thing is required: do not repeat our mistakes!
  27. Valentine77 64
    Valentine77 64 25 January 2014 20: 08
    -1
    not in the east but in the west
    1. ty60
      ty60 25 January 2014 23: 26
      0
      Yes, in the western part, a conscript comes to the assembly point with a PERSONAL machine gun; he does not need a bishop.
  28. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 25 January 2014 20: 26
    +1
    Quote: Arh
    European people don’t live, pains are splintering)))


    Fun of course ...
    And the root of the problem is that any person, any people needs a respectful attitude, and even love.

    At the bazaar, if you want a discount, if you want something better from a distant box, ask the seller, praise the goods.
    Spent time and effort will be crowned with economic benefits. This is the language of today.

    It is possible in another way. Show human respect for the work of a comrade, tell him about your life, share your dreams, and he will help you ...
    Story?
    But I believe in it, because not often and for quite a long time in the bazaars of Crimea, Tashkent, Leningrad and in many other places I felt the desire of people of all different nationalities, for the sake of pride in their people, to give the interlocutor at least a trifle.
  29. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 25 January 2014 20: 50
    0
    Separatism, of course, is not good, and globalization is even worse, it only benefits bankers and exchange speculators, and globalism is a ruin for those who produce products.
  30. individual
    individual 25 January 2014 21: 15
    0
    It is sad that European separatism is being run on the Maidan. am
    It would be more obvious to watch it in Scotland, Ireland, Catalonia and the Basque country, in Andalusia, Asturias, Valencia and Galicia.
    1. Yuri Sev Caucasus
      Yuri Sev Caucasus 25 January 2014 23: 12
      +1
      something tells me that there will soon be more fun than ever!
  31. Andrey A
    Andrey A 25 January 2014 21: 31
    +1
    The map of Europe will soon look like the administrative map of Russia (the European part).
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  33. Neophyte
    Neophyte 25 January 2014 22: 42
    0
    And what about AI? It is necessary to send a citizen of Ukraine to Dzhigurd / on the Maidan he growled: Ukraine from the Carpathians to Sakhalin! \. Let him shout there: Texas from Florida to Alaska. The truth, for separatism, unlike Russia, in America, Dzhigurda will slap three hundred years in prison.
  34. Neophyte
    Neophyte 25 January 2014 22: 42
    0
    And what about AI? It is necessary to send a citizen of Ukraine to Dzhigurd / on the Maidan he growled: Ukraine from the Carpathians to Sakhalin! \. Let him shout there: Texas from Florida to Alaska. The truth, for separatism, unlike Russia, in America, Dzhigurda will slap three hundred years in prison.
  35. Sergey XXX
    Sergey XXX 25 January 2014 23: 38
    +1
    Separatism is a completely normal child of liberalism pursuing individualism (in this case, at the level of individual nationalities), so let them not be offended, and it is high time for our authorities to recall the fairy tale about twigs and besiege liberal ideology, otherwise we laugh at Europe.
  36. jjj
    jjj 26 January 2014 01: 13
    0
    It seems that the map of Europe is already redrawn on paper. And now the step-by-step process has begun. Undoubtedly, Russia will be dragged into the redraw, trying to squeeze out more territories and wealth. How will it end? A little poke. There will be an axis Berlin-Moscow-Beijing. And we cannot avoid war. Therefore, it’s time for every young man not to sit out his pants at the computer, not to light up the clubs, but to study military affairs in this way
  37. Keeper
    Keeper 26 January 2014 02: 54
    0
    In Europe, all borders are in place! Nobody dismantled the customs zones !!! They were simply opened and almost every day they "wipe the dust" (I saw it myself) ...
    Some wise countries have introduced the euro, leaving their own monetary unit (Czech Republic is an example)!
    But the Pindra can happen literally in a couple of years - as soon as the people massively (I emphasize - massively !!!) strike against budget policy (people are just stupidly shut up with unemployment benefits). This cannot last forever, even if the EU follows the American scenario and turns on the printing press at full capacity ...
    In Europe, most people have long been lazy and do not want to work hard! Papas Carlo are now in China, India and Russia ...
  38. siberalt
    siberalt 26 January 2014 04: 20
    +1
    S_mirnov


    Quote: A very "important" topic for the Russian people. The growth of the dollar is more relevant to me, tk. devalues ​​my salary (I receive it in rubles). Or the handover of our former aircraft carrier to India.

    In vain are you talking about an aircraft carrier. India was so crazy for us that the shipbuilding industry sighed. Thousands of people had a job. We kept the frames. Of course, not from a good life.
  39. RUSS
    RUSS 26 January 2014 09: 48
    0
    Sometimes people or some territory need to be given independence or create broad autonomy in order to feel all its charms, and only then decide for yourself to remain independent or reunite back.
  40. captain
    captain 26 January 2014 11: 10
    0
    Apparently our pen sharks should add fuel to the fire, because the guys from the West are not shy about doing this with us.
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  42. standby
    standby 27 January 2014 00: 10
    0
    Eat the soup prepared for us.


    You’re already fed her a campaign, many shawl and they are LITTLE! No offense, I'm sorry and really sympathize! It's not nice to see how the people of Ukraine triumph over their own mind!

    And about Europe, but to hell with them, they are rotten ... We would have to come to order in our thoughts, in our hearts, in our states ...