Military Review

There is a positive trend in aircraft industry and defense industry

52

Despite the negative trends in the economy, following the results of 2013, the Ministry of Industry and Trade was able to overcome the negative dynamics that had been predicted earlier and to ensure an increase in production in a number of industries, including the defense industry and aircraft industry.

This was stated by the Minister of Industry and Trade of Russia Denis Manturov in the framework of the “Government Hour” in the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

In particular, in the 4 quarter of 2013, the growth rates in the aircraft industry reached 15 percent, and in the MIC 10 percent, the minister said.

“In the first half of 2013, the dynamics of industrial production slowed down, and in the summer it was predicted that it would be negative. However, the fourth quarter of 2013 of the year showed the effectiveness of state support measures, - said the Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov. - Thanks to the implementation of programs aimed at stimulating demand, re-equipping enterprises and attracting investment in research and development, a positive trend has been noted in most industries. The growth rate in the aircraft industry reached 15 percent, in the electronic industry - 14 percent, in the defense industry - by 10 percent.

В aviation In 2013, the production of helicopters in comparison with 2012 increased by 4% (from 290 to 303 units), of aircraft - by 14% (from 104 to 119 units). The situation has changed dramatically in the civilian aircraft manufacturing sector, where over the past year the volume of output increased by 60 percent. The volume of industrial aircraft manufacturing increased by 14,5%, including for civilian products - by 22%, military - by 13%. The growth of indicators in these segments positively affected the dynamics of production in the engine industry - the output of power plants increased by 13 percent.

In the domestic market, growth in production and sales of aircraft was achieved, including through subsidies for loans from leasing companies for the purchase of aircraft that are handed over to Russian companies. The measure showed its efficiency and was extended to 2016, the amount of funding for this period will be 8,2 billion rubles.
Originator:
http://vpk-news.ru/
52 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 23 January 2014 10: 09
    +13
    Positive dynamics is certainly good, but the main thing is not to stop there.
    1. T-100
      T-100 23 January 2014 10: 20
      +2
      This was stated by the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia Denis Manturov

      Sorry, positive dynamics ??? 10 articles said back that Manturov hangs noodles on his ears, and here again he says positive dynamics, he never talked about negative trends, whether to believe the article or to pass by)))
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 23 January 2014 12: 52
        +4
        Quote: T-100
        Sorry, positive dynamics ???

        Aircraft production is increasing, both in the army and in civilian life. Is not it? And with regards to Manturov, this applied to Tu aircraft.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. aviamed90
          aviamed90 23 January 2014 13: 02
          -3
          Russ69

          Not this way.

          Give examples of increased production of aircraft, well, at least civilian.

          And do not forget the reference!
          1. dmitrich
            dmitrich 23 January 2014 15: 06
            0
            You need an American spy, so look for references yourself.
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. aviamed90
              aviamed90 23 January 2014 15: 38
              0
              dmitrich

              Is this your communication style?

              You know, I have already been accused of being a spy for at least 5 countries (including Bangladesh and Algeria).

              But numbers are a stubborn thing.
              You can accuse someone of espionage as much as you like - they will not change. Moreover, these figures are voiced by Mr. Manturov himself. And even if anyone is accused of espionage in favor of well-known countries, this is it.

              By the way, and where does espionage? What is the connection between the "huge" production of civil aircraft in Russia and espionage?

              Or do you mean industrial espionage?
          2. Cherdak
            Cherdak 23 January 2014 19: 09
            +2
            In 2013, 36 airliners were produced in Russia:

            SSJ-100: 24
            En-148: 6
            En-140: 3
            Tu-214: 2
            IL-96-300: 1

            Production of airliners and military transport aircraft in the Russian Federation (and the RSFSR) by years:

            1984: 48
            1985: 54
            1986: 53
            .
            1990: 84
            1991: 66
            .
            1998: 9
            .
            2009: 12
            2010: 12
            2011: 19
            2012: 22
            2013: 36
            2014: ~ 60 * (preliminary forecast - 42 superjets, 3 Il-76MD-90A, 2 Be-200, 6-8 An-148 and several more An-140, Tu-204/214, Il-96)
            Quote: aviamed90
            well, at least civilians.
          3. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 24 January 2014 01: 09
            +1
            Quote: aviamed90
            Russ69

            Not this way.

            Give examples of increased production of aircraft, well, at least civilian.

            And do not forget the reference!


            Master Yandex already ...
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. aviamed90
          aviamed90 23 January 2014 14: 05
          -3
          Russ69

          "At the end of 2012, Russia produced 22 civil aircraft: 12 SSJ, 1 Il-96-300PU (M1), 1 Tu-214, 3 An-148, 2 An-140-100, 2 Tu-154M, 1 Il -76MD-90A. In addition, one Russian Il-114 and one Il-76TD-90VD were assembled in Uzbekistan "(VKP)

          Subtract 12xSSJ from here (I hope you will not say that this is a product of our aircraft industry?).

          Remains - 10 and 2012 year!

          And here is 2013 year:

          "The production of civil aircraft in Russia in 2013 increased by 60%, said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov. Last year 20 aircraft were produced, this one - 32, 25 of which are SSJ-100, the minister added, whose words RIA Novosti reports. . " (site "tvc.ru", article "In 2013, the production of civil aircraft in Russia increased by 60%" of December 27.12.2013, XNUMX)

          Subtract 25XSSJ from here.

          Remains - 7 for 2013 year!


          Great amount.
          And it grows, in your opinion!
          1. Platov
            Platov 23 January 2014 16: 43
            +4
            "
            Subtract 12xSSJ from this (I hope you won't claim that this is a product of our aircraft industry?) "Globalization sir globalization! They are ours too.
            1. aviamed90
              aviamed90 23 January 2014 18: 07
              0
              Platov

              The advantages and disadvantages of SSJ have been discussed and discussed on this site.

              But after all, Boeing and Airbus also have Russian components, but we do not call these aircraft our products.

              Or is it a sign under which the aircraft is made?
          2. aviamed90
            aviamed90 23 January 2014 18: 16
            0
            I would like to ask the minuser: are you against the small number of aircraft produced in our country or against the fact that I referred to these figures?
            1. Sergh
              Sergh 23 January 2014 20: 55
              +2
              Quote: aviamed90
              I would like to ask the minus

              Nah, I'm against your dementia. If you reject SSJ by such criteria, then explain to me, and to which country should the manufacturer put it to the manufacturer? And then we will then select Boeing and Fu-35 from amers, judging by your conclusion, and you can still pick a lot of things around the world. But our pipe rolling on imported machines, huh?

              In short, say, don’t talk, philosopher damn it.
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 24 January 2014 17: 25
                -1
                Sergh

                In response to your rudeness, I allow myself to note that you, too, are not distinguished by a sharp mind, since you allow yourself to insult your opponent.

                In addition, I did not switch to "YOU" with you. Excuse me to be decorous, I hope you are not a peasant?
            2. Cherdak
              Cherdak 23 January 2014 21: 43
              +1
              Quote: aviamed90
              or against what i
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 24 January 2014 15: 52
                0
                Cherdak

                And you are a nervous comrade: go straight to the person.

                No need to jerk like that - we are just discussing the proposed topic.
          3. Nick
            Nick 23 January 2014 20: 44
            +1
            Quote: aviamed90
            Subtract 25XSSJ from here.

            Then add dreamliners here, they are built in the USA but with Russian components ...
            And if you think that aircraft can be considered national if it is completely built on its components, then name such a country and aircraft ...
            1. aviamed90
              aviamed90 24 January 2014 15: 49
              0
              Nick
              Sergh

              USSR and Russia.

              If it is possible to produce aircraft without the participation of foreigners, then why not use it?
              Why are you not satisfied with the full production cycle, gentlemen of the cosmopolitan countries?

              Or is our aircraft something worse than foreign?
              1. Nick
                Nick 24 January 2014 22: 58
                0
                Quote: aviamed90
                If it is possible to produce aircraft without the participation of foreigners, then why not use it?

                Russia has such an opportunity, only the competitiveness of this equipment IMHO will be low. Boeing and Airbus take all the best that is produced in the world and use it in the manufacture of their aircraft. So why should Russia limit its capabilities only to domestic technologies? We must adopt all the best.
                Quote: aviamed90
                Or is our aircraft something worse than foreign?

                Rhetorical question. But what is the question, such is the answer: in what is better, in what is worse, in something at the level ...
        5. VAF
          VAF 23 January 2014 14: 25
          +3
          Quote: Russ69
          Aircraft production is increasing that the army


          The production (production) of aircraft and the production of combat aircraft ... not quite the same thing ... even better is better at all .. not the same thing wink

          Quote: Russ69
          what a citizen.


          This is you again about the super-Bobik ???? So they are all LII now forced .. all "bring" and "bring" .. now Kadyrov is "presented" 8 pieces .. for the local airline. wink
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist 24 January 2014 00: 09
        +1
        Quote: T-100
        and here again he says positive dynamics


        Read the headline - "there is a trend" wassat No one spoke about the dynamics request .
        In general, I would cut off languages ​​for such formulations.
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 24 January 2014 01: 08
        +1
        Quote: T-100
        This was stated by the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia Denis Manturov

        Sorry, positive dynamics ??? 10 articles said back that Manturov hangs noodles on his ears, and here again he says positive dynamics, he never talked about negative trends, whether to believe the article or to pass by)))


        At the same salary to work out ...
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 23 January 2014 11: 32
      +2
      I already wrote that statistics is a tricky science. The site has already written: "there is a lie, there is a big lie, and there are statistics."
      Insignificant percentages of growth, increase in output with a small starting point, do not give anything. This is "noodles" to the people, about a "good" trend (tendency), but in fact it is stagnation (stagnation) of production.
      The members of the Government, like the Prime Minister himself, as their work experience shows, are incompetent neither in matters of economics, management, nor in any other matters of particular importance to the state and, in my opinion, were "posed" in order to restrain the growth of the Russian economy.
      The only question is, who needs it, and who is interested in the profane "steering" in our Government of the Russian Federation?
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 23 January 2014 12: 54
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Insignificant percentages of growth, increase in output with a small starting point, do not give anything. This is "noodles" to the people, about a "good" trend (tendency), but in fact it is stagnation (stagnation) of production.

        And in what way, you can dramatically increase output. It takes time.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 23 January 2014 13: 19
          +4
          And in what way, you can dramatically increase output. It takes time.


          For this, first of all, we need the political will of the President and the Government of the Russian Federation.
          It is necessary to de-privatize Russian civil aviation in the form of a dozen disparate financially insolvent air campaigns that cause regular regular air disasters with mass deaths for Russians. On the basis of them, create one state campaign capable of accumulating financial resources for loading, non-working aircraft factories, centralized training of flight personnel, and maintenance of numerous infrastructure.
          Go to the Government of the Russian Federation to create branch ministries based on the experience of the USSR, including the ministry of the aviation industry, capable of organizing the Russian aviation industry into a single harmoniously and plannedly working complex of hundreds of now independent unworking enterprises.
        2. Tektor
          Tektor 23 January 2014 13: 40
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          And in what way, you can dramatically increase output. It takes time.
          Yes, just features of the economy: a significant part of it is aimed at implementation at the end of the year, in December. Therefore, preliminary reports are only estimates, and then we look in fact: chickens are counted in January.
        3. Nick
          Nick 23 January 2014 20: 53
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          And in what way, you can dramatically increase output. It takes time.

          Actually, growth in the civilian sector is 60%, this is a very sharp increase, by any standards ...
  2. mirag2
    mirag2 23 January 2014 10: 10
    0
    Well then, have they increased production? -Excellent.
    And here is the opinion of the liberals:
    "Putin's budget until 2016 is a budget of meanness and hatred.
    Putin’s main goal is to dramatically increase spending on the state apparatus, army and police at the expense of the people, their health and education. These costs are the largest in the budget and account for 40%. The third conclusion: Putin is preparing for war with his own people and America. His paranoid fear of losing power has become a real threat to the security of the country and its citizens.

    A country with such a man-hater in the Kremlin has no chance. And this should be understood not only by civil activists (they understood everything a long time ago), but also by loyal people who care about Russia. "
    - Guess who looks at the development of the Russian military-industrial complex?
    That's right! am
    http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/nemtsov_boris/1166862-echo/
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 January 2014 10: 12
      -4
      Quote: mirag2
      Guess who looks at the development of the Russian military-industrial complex?

      Probably patriots. smile
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 23 January 2014 11: 02
        +3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: mirag2
        Guess who looks at the development of the Russian military-industrial complex?

        Probably patriots. smile

        Undoubtedly. The main thing is to clearly know whose patriots they are.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 January 2014 10: 28
      +10
      Quote: mirag2
      "Putin's budget until 2016 is a budget of meanness and hatred.

      To whom to the USA and NATO, judging by the increase in the supply of new aircraft laughing
      Quote: mirag2
      The third conclusion: Putin is preparing for war with his own people and America.

      As for America, I agree, America painfully got everyone with its own democracy.
      Quote: mirag2
      A country with such a hate in the Kremlin has no chance

      But then Kasparov had a hand in it.
      Quote: mirag2
      but also loyal people to whom Russia is dear. "

      Loyal is Gozman and the company probably.
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 23 January 2014 11: 13
        -7
        would you ask a simple peasant whether they are for medveputinism or not?
        people are dying, missing ... alcoholism, whore, drug addicts
        and the rest is a beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well ...
        1. Zlodeey
          Zlodeey 23 January 2014 13: 52
          -1
          Actual:
        2. dmitrich
          dmitrich 23 January 2014 15: 11
          0
          Judge not Judas by yourself.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 January 2014 15: 41
          +7
          Quote: Ivan Petrovich
          ..alcoholism, whore, drug addicts

          I give you advice, stop cum, run around prostitutes and use drugs. Or are you Putin and Medvedev forced to drink, run around whores and buy drugs? For the image, I clearly wrote?
          1. Ivan Petrovich
            Ivan Petrovich 23 January 2014 23: 06
            -2
            unclear. Yes, and never understand. Yes, and I never understood pedrosnyu
        4. lelikas
          lelikas 23 January 2014 22: 12
          +4
          Quote: Ivan Petrovich
          ..alcoholism, whore, drug addicts

          - Jerk off, drink and not married -
          -This is Putin's fault! laughing
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 24 January 2014 00: 11
            +1
            Quote: lelikas
            - Jerk off, drink and not married -
            -This is Putin's fault!


            He broke the board
            the unfortunate bull crying
    3. avg
      avg 23 January 2014 10: 38
      +4
      Quote: mirag2
      And this should be understood not only by civil activists (they understood everything a long time ago), but also by loyal people who care about Russia. "

      If I didn’t know these guardians for national happiness, I would be very scared. laughing
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 23 January 2014 10: 10
    +9
    Where there is normal public administration, there is also an increase in production, in contrast to "effective managers" good
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 23 January 2014 10: 11
    +2
    Denis Manturov in the "Government Hour" in the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
    Here is a great article below "Minister Manturov does not want to take the path of correction" I just told about his exploits, I do not understand where the reliable information is.
  5. aviamed90
    aviamed90 23 January 2014 10: 13
    +1
    "The situation has radically changed in the civil aircraft industry, where over the past year the volume of production increased by 60 percent."

    If so, then why are we flying Boeing and Airbus?
    1. askort154
      askort154 23 January 2014 11: 34
      -1
      aviamed90 ... "The situation in the civil aircraft industry has changed dramatically, where production volume increased by 60 percent over the past year."
      If so, then why are we flying Boeing and Airbus?


      It seems that the author wrote the article after visiting the air sauna.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 23 January 2014 12: 58
      +1
      Quote: aviamed90
      If so, then why are we flying Boeing and Airbus?

      And are we able, in a short time, to increase the production of aircraft at times? If while we are doing a few dozen, then companies need about a hundred a year, and there are export contracts.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 23 January 2014 13: 11
        -1
        Russ69

        Excuse me, but even 15 years ago, we were able to establish a serial production!

        Who prevented Mr. Manturov and his predecessors from doing this?

        After all, they were warned! Or not?

        Or he does not control the situation how is the minister? Or does not want to control? Or maybe deliberately does not control?
        Then in figs we have such a minister?

        And now, against the background of curtailed or destroyed production (like the Saratov aircraft factory), a mantra is pronounced about the impossibility of mass production.

        And who will be responsible for this?
  6. samoletil18
    samoletil18 23 January 2014 10: 15
    +3
    effectiveness of government support measures
    It would be necessary to organize oligarchic support. They are very obliged to their homeland, even if they build registered regiments and tank brigades.
    1. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 23 January 2014 10: 19
      +4
      Yeah. Border post to them. M. KhodorkovskyBorder is locked tight.)))))
      1. avt
        avt 23 January 2014 12: 06
        +2
        Quote: samoletil18
        It would be necessary to organize oligarchic support. They are very obliged to their homeland, let them build registered air regiments

        And ships. Imagine how it will sound on the day of the Navy - ,, on the roadstead, ships lined up - destroyers "Gusinsky", Khodorkovsky "Nevzlin", headed by the aircraft carrier "Roman Abramovich". Cambodian submarine "Polonsky" laughing laughing
  7. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 23 January 2014 10: 22
    +3
    All these numbers are 9,14 and 60 percent of the evil one. Until a couple of "effective managers" from the military-industrial complex are stimulated with a ticket to the resorts of the Magadan Territory (fortunately, Khodorkovsky vacated a bed), the situation will not change dramatically. IMHO.
  8. AlNick
    AlNick 23 January 2014 10: 24
    +4
    Great! - The source http://vpk-news.ru/

    A cuckoo praises a cock ...
  9. Criceta
    Criceta 23 January 2014 10: 27
    -8
    Positive turnd, while the price of oil is high. If tomorrow the United States lifts the ban on the export of crude oil, and this issue is now being considered, then if it does not bring down, it will quite adjust the price on the world market. This is where our budget, together with the costs of the defense industry and federal target programs in the military-industrial complex, will come to an end, along with positive trends.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 23 January 2014 11: 04
      +3
      Well yes. And the Saudis immediately send a regiment of martyrs to the states. Yes, and even send is not necessary. Everything is already there.

      I think so .. (c)
    2. Don
      Don 23 January 2014 11: 15
      +4
      Quote: Сriceta
      Positive turnd, while the price of oil is high.

      100 dollars is a high price? Harosh already rubbish about the oil needle balabolit.
      Quote: Сriceta
      If tomorrow the USA lifts the ban on the export of crude oil, and this issue is currently being considered, then if it does not bring down, it will quite adjust the price on the world market.

      laughing What kind of nonsense? What is the ban? Is everything normal with your head? Right now, American ExxonMobil and Chevron, British British Petroleum and Shell, which have a powerful lobby in their governments, will take and allow oil prices to fall. And OPEC, of ​​course, will allow all this. Indeed, why OPEC countries living at the expense of oil, high oil prices. laughing
      Quote: Сriceta
      This is where our budget, together with the costs of the defense industry and federal target programs in the military-industrial complex, will come to an end, along with positive trends.

      Do you even know how many percent of the budget of the Russian Federation is oil and gas revenues? Probably not.
      1. Criceta
        Criceta 23 January 2014 14: 29
        0
        Quote: Don
        Do you even know how many percent of the budget of the Russian Federation is oil and gas revenues? Probably not.

        I know. In 2013 - 50% and until 2016 the government plans to reduce this figure to 43%. If you succeed ...
        And I’m also aware that the price of oil in the budget for 2014 is $ 93, and now $ 108,8, these are Urals brands, if you understand what it is about. 93 and 108 - a very small gap and at the same time our budget is scarce.
        Quote: Don
        What kind of nonsense? What is the ban? Is everything normal with your head? Right now, American ExxonMobil and Chevron, British British Petroleum and Shell, which have a powerful lobby in their governments, will take and allow oil prices to fall. And OPEC, of ​​course, will allow all this. Indeed, why OPEC countries living at the expense of oil, high oil prices.

        You read how the USA brought down oil prices in the 80s and what the USSR led to.

        So read books dear and they will teach you to draw the right conclusions. wink
        1. Don
          Don 23 January 2014 19: 05
          -1
          Quote: Сriceta
          I know. In 2013 - 50% and until 2016 the government plans to reduce this figure to 43%.

          And you won’t throw off the link, where did you read this?
          Quote: Сriceta
          a very small gap and at the same time our budget is scarce

          The budget is scarce only in the last two years and this is normal. Look at the USA and EU countries. Almost all of them have deficit budgets.
          Quote: Сriceta
          You read how the USA brought down oil prices in the 80s and what the USSR led to.

          What are you? They took it straight and brought it down.
          1. Do not compare the planned economy of the USSR and the mixed RF.
          2.80-ies in the USSR there was a crisis for other reasons, one of which costs 40% of GDP for the defense industry. Does Russia have the same costs?
          3. Books can be read different. It depends on who the author is a conservative, monarchist or liberal. Each will have its own truth.
  10. Mails
    Mails 23 January 2014 10: 34
    +2
    helicopter production volumes increased by 2012 percent (from 4 to 290 units) compared to the 303 year, and aircraft — by 14 percent (from 104 to 119 units)

    Amused ...
    If you look at the example of GDP, the growth of 1-4% is a huge achievement, especially in rubles. equivalent.

    But if you look at the statistics on the report of the Minister:
    an increase of 4% - (from 290 to 303 units) by 13 units per year is a drop in the bucket. Actually stomping on the spot. Here, at a minimum, there should be a trend of 20-25%. Given what kind of loot flows.
    The same thing here - of airplanes - by 14 percent (from 104 to 119 units) - yes it is cool, by as many as 15 airplanes to all of Russia. The result is naturally a ministry.

    Small slow pace. Minister Pineapple in the Opera.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 23 January 2014 13: 19
      0
      Quote: Miles
      Small slow pace. Minister Pineapple in the Opera.

      Actually, the article only talks about the trend. The remark is correct when it comes to growth rates. When talking about temperature there are concepts "+0" and "-0" (+0.3 or -0.2). In the aircraft industry, as in the entire economy, we have "+0". Until the general condition changes, we will scrape a few increments. I agree with you in wanting more.
  11. Altona
    Altona 23 January 2014 10: 50
    +1
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    Positive dynamics is certainly good, but the main thing is not to stop there.

    -------------------------------
    All the same, quality must be improved and a good service base developed to serve our and foreign customers ... Bourgeois services are strong ...
  12. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 23 January 2014 12: 38
    +4
    Quote: Ivan Petrovich
    would you ask a simple peasant whether they are for medveputinism or not?
    people are dying, missing ... alcoholism, whore, drug addicts
    and the rest is a beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well ...

    It’s NOT correct to mix ADAM and Putin in the same boiler. Primakov neoliberals spoke well about the affairs and aspirations of ADAM and his government.
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 23 January 2014 13: 55
      0
      Do you think they are different? surprise however. All of them are oiled in one world ... the followers of sobchak and ebna ... they drink the blood of the people and do not choke. after all, huge funds go over the hill, but not for the development of the country. School ruined! Fursenko is an adviser to the president, then the fooling will continue
  13. kelevra
    kelevra 23 January 2014 14: 41
    +1
    This has long been noticeable, the main thing now is not to stop!
  14. djachaev
    djachaev 23 January 2014 15: 36
    +2
    Good news! good Set article +
  15. saag
    saag 23 January 2014 18: 05
    0
    Quote: avt
    , led by the aircraft carrier "Roman Abramovich"

    Laughter with laughter, but Roman Abramovich will take with a distant sight over some submarine and then some "Ash" with his portrait on the wheelhouse will emerge :-)
  16. Metlik
    Metlik 23 January 2014 19: 14
    0
    Russian Aviation Industry - American Democracy 1: 0
  17. Leshka
    Leshka 23 January 2014 19: 49
    0
    positive dynamics is good but further growth is also needed