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The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 22 January 2014

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A peace conference on Syria opened in Geneva, the first task of which is to stop the violence. A provocation is unfolding in Kiev, the first goal of which is to provoke large-scale violence. It would seem - what is common?

And the common thing is that both are products of Russian-American relations, as they have been developing over the past 30 years. More precisely, the US-Russian. And this is how Robert Gates, one of the pillars of American politics, rated this product. The former head of the Pentagon believes that all these thirty years, this policy, as he put it, "suffered from bad management."

"The arrogance of Americans who told Russians how to conduct their affairs led to deep rejection and bitterness," says Robert Gates, a councilor, former head of the CIA and Pentagon, who worked with four presidents in his new book.

The hasty inclusion of the former Soviet satellites - the Baltic countries, Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and then Romania and Bulgaria - in NATO, he considers a mistake.

“Attempting to invite Georgia and Ukraine to NATO was an exaggeration. The roots of the Russian empire come from Kiev, so it was a colossal provocation. Were the Europeans, not to mention Americans, ready to send their sons and daughters to defend Georgia or Ukraine? Hardly.

So the expansion of NATO was not a carefully considered military commitment, but a political act that undermined the goals of the alliance and irresponsibly ignored what the Russians considered their vital national interests, writes the recent head of the Pentagon.
What should be noted? Gates is definitely the enemy. More precisely, politically correct, "potential adversary." He just thinks that it was necessary to be slower and more thorough. And that America should adequately pursue its interests, and not entertain inappropriate ambitions.

That is why he articulates his full support for Obama as regards restraint, realism and willingness to negotiate. To which, McCain, the Republican senator, party member of Gates, who is no longer adequate, responded: "I could keep silent until at least the next election."
“If the trigger is cocked, you need to be ready to shoot. I was against military intervention, describing it as an attempt to put out a fire using a gasoline canister. Syria is too close for Russia and Iran, our military intervention could have caused them to intervene,” said Robert Gates from their interviews.

America is tired. America does not pull in conflicts around the world. Russian America, not a threat. With Russia it is necessary to negotiate rather than to provoke. On the question of the Air Force, they say that America has lost the ability to project power in the whole world, as before, Gates replied:

“An interesting addition is“ as before. ”She did this all the time from the 50's, while other nations grew stronger, rebuilt after the war, with the rise of China, and with a decrease in our share in global GDP in the last 50 years, how other countries became richer. Our unilateral influence in the world between, say, the end of World War II and Vietnam is obviously in the past. "

It is worth a lot: according to Gates, America is now weaker in the world than after Vietnam. When the USSR is still quite alive ?! Moreover, the agreement with Russia is no alternative. And the current administration seems to understand this. Only Ukraine for us, I'm sorry, is an order of magnitude closer and more important than Syria. And who keeps the Ukrainian opposition on a short leash, everyone knows. So hold on!
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  1. kot11180
    kot11180 23 January 2014 10: 00
    +42
    Ukraine must be defended, this is our RUSSIAN WORLD. I think it will work out, the last two years Russia has responded to the West with dignity, and there is a result
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 January 2014 10: 09
      +44
      Quote: kot11180
      Ukraine must be defended, this is our RUSSIAN WORLD.

      Yes, Russia will not give Ukraine, not that time already. And the maidanut people remind me more and more of the Romani gypsies.
      1. tundra
        tundra 23 January 2014 10: 33
        +4
        Yeah, exactly, exactly. Zapadentsev seems to have such a lifestyle. Where would something cn ..... be, on the collective farm, for example, a tractor for scrap metal and then pobyuenit fellow
        1. GDP
          GDP 23 January 2014 12: 28
          +12
          Zapadentsy mainly work in the West and earn a lot of pennies ... They don’t need the economy and power of the country. The fact that the east drags on itself the whole social sphere and industry doesn’t give a damn / because they don’t see beyond their nose ... For them, Nezalezhnost is just words and the opportunity to travel to Europe without visas and pour mud on anyone ...

          Not sure if they understand the difference between civil liberty and anarchy.

          They shout about the country's independence, and they themselves are ready to lie under the EU on any conditions.
          1. Mature naturalist
            Mature naturalist 23 January 2014 19: 17
            +1
            As it will be:

            The whole end of January and the beginning of February are positional skirmishes, defectors, statements, high-profile statements and constant skirmishes. One serious incident before the end of the month. Call for a national weekend night. Gathering of the opposition on the Maidan, severe crackdown and clashes.
            Arrest and detention of one of the leaders of the opposition. a speech by the former president of Ukraine and a call for a nationwide gathering in Kiev. A sad incident at the station. Collision in the subway. Arriving in the city of government support units and the opposition. Statement by a group of generals of the Ukrainian army on non-interference in a civil conflict.
            Scattered clashes in the center of Kiev.
            Night arrests of activists, detention.
            Pressure on Russia, especially before the Olympics, the separation of spheres of influence, in fact, an agreement on the future division of Ukraine, without the participation of Ukraine itself.

            The proposal for the creation of the CONFEDERATION OF UKRAINE made in Davos

            February - Arrival of units and subdivisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the city, which partially switched to the side of the opposition. The creation of the headquarters of civil resistance.
            Speech by the former president of Ukraine, an appeal by opposition leaders and the chief of staff of the resistance movement for a popular gathering in Kiev.
            Up to one million people take to the streets. The night march in Kiev, the storming of the premier’s residence, the government leaves Kiev. Fierce collisions at the airport. Burning plane. Inspection of vehicles.
            The imposition of sanctions against certain oligarchs, seizure of accounts, seizure of enterprises and businesses, tax inspections of real estate and businesses of the Ukrainian elite abroad.
            Release from custody of detainees and some prisoners. Stripping Kiev and preparing a march to Donetsk, Odessa and Kharkov.
            large emergency at one of the carts. Possible attempt on one of the leaders of the situation. The main victim is the most independent leader ....
            The first skirmishes in the Crimea and outside of Kiev, the exit of some administrative formations and enterprises from under the subordination of Kiev. A statement by some officers and specialists about maintaining neutrality in a civil conflict, which means good for the removal of Yanukovych.
            A bit of blood.
            Negotiations of the authorities with the opposition. The dissolution of the Council and the resignation of the government. The sensational statement of the oligarchs and the former prime minister.
            The demand for new elections and the resignation of the president. Statement by the command of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, statement and decision of the congress of Crimean Tatars, patrols on the streets of Sevastopol and Odessa. Mobilization of volunteers in Eastern Ukraine. Diversion on the gas pipeline. A boycott of motorways and the opening of the western border. Arrival in Ukraine of a significant number of radical youth from eastern Europe.
            A major incident in Odessa. A series of incidents in small cities.
            March of Caucasians in support of Ukraine. Arrival of the UN Secretary General and ambassadors of leading countries of the world and planning a conference on Ukraine ...

            Spring 2014 - Shooting in Sevastopol ,. Incomprehensible incidents.
            Secondary statement of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, together with the commander of the Ukrainian fleet. Statement by Shoigu and Putin.
            March of the Crimean Tatars in Yalta. Local clashes in Crimea, disruption to the preparation of the holiday season.
            The resignation of Yanukovych and the appointment of new elections. Collisions in Kharkov. A major incident in Sevastopol. Attempt to capture base objects.
            The introduction of curfews in Sevastopol.

            State of emergency with Yanukovych.
            Negotiations of the European trio and Russia, with the participation of the opposition and former presidents of Ukraine.
            Proposal for the creation of the Ukrainian Confederation. Proposal for a referendum.
            Conference preparation in Ukraine
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            2. matross
              matross 23 January 2014 20: 58
              +1
              Yes, comrade mature naturalist ... you have interesting dreams. What drugs do you use? bully
              Seriously, it’s too pessimistic, there’s just not enough NATO troops. This will not be all. The Maidan militia is finishing it and that's it. Protests creep into Lviv. Well, there - fifti-fifti, or they will chop off Galicia or not. We will wait and see hi
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 23 January 2014 21: 32
                +4
                Quote: matRoss
                Yes, comrade mature naturalist ... you have interesting dreams

                God grant that this would not happen ...
                Alas, the situation is only getting worse ...
                A month ago, I wrote about the possibility of Moscow October-93 in Kiev. But then all Ukrainian members of the forum unanimously said "This cannot be!"
            3. Tatarus
              Tatarus 23 January 2014 21: 50
              0
              You really are imposing an ugly script on us. How much is the West now paying for escalation and pessimism?
              1. German
                German 24 January 2014 00: 35
                0
                SW Tatarus! Do you know what the difference is between an optimist and a pessimist? A pessimist is a well-informed optimist! So, there is a grain of truth in the comment of a mature naturalist ...... IMHO ...
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 23 January 2014 10: 35
        +12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And the maidanut people remind me more and more of the Romani gypsies.

        Those in the photo, the campaign does not solve anything, young strong guys in black clothes muddy the water. (And these in the photo, they just want Ukraine to join the EU and immediately get to work in Europe.)
        Mercenary rebels are not an invention of the Libyan and Egyptian scripts at all. Recently I listened to Fursov on the topic of the Yeltsin coup, and so there familiar characters meet on the streets, just then no one spoke about the CIA’s participation in the coup, but in vain.
        I advise you to look. Knowing history is good.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UyDxPROAWI
        1. Patton5
          Patton5 23 January 2014 11: 01
          +13
          Exactly!!!! just today there was already information (channel 5) that a sniper started working! Like already five corpses .... which no one shows anywhere ..... The script does not change the nits CIA
        2. pl675
          pl675 23 January 2014 15: 31
          +5
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And the maidanut people remind me more and more of the Romani gypsies.

          Those in the photo, the campaign does not solve anything, young strong guys in black clothes muddy the water. (And these in the photo, they just want Ukraine to join the EU and immediately get to work in Europe.)
          Mercenary rebels are not an invention of the Libyan and Egyptian scripts at all. Recently I listened to Fursov on the topic of the Yeltsin coup, and so there familiar characters meet on the streets, just then no one spoke about the CIA’s participation in the coup, but in vain.
          I advise you to look. Knowing history is good.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UyDxPROAWI


          (And these in the photo, they just want Ukraine to join the EU and immediately get to work in Europe.)

          where, by whom, and who will hire them?
          or can they not read?

          I get the impression that in Ukraine, normal people are busy with business / work -
          and on the Maidan the third month there is a casting of ghouls.
          from my yesterday’s conversation with Ukrainians (he’s my friend, I have the right to call him that - I’m a mask for him) - he is shocked by what is happening - from the headlessness of ragul / nickname / yanyka / and others.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 23 January 2014 16: 35
            +4
            Quote: pl675
            where, by whom, and who will hire them?

            So this is how their brains were powdered. This is not in the association agreement, just as there is no visa-free regime, and there are also no guarantees of employment. And the oppa says "Mustache will be!" And the big mistake is that the "top" did not publish the full text !!! And knowing that in the administration Yanukovych had quite a lot of Europe-oriented people who already had their own production there, then he, like the rest of the top, was NOT shown the full text !!! We thought he would sign the ball!
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          3. Don
            Don 23 January 2014 17: 53
            +4
            Quote: pl675
            I get the impression that in Ukraine, normal people are busy with business / work -

            The correct impression.
      3. mamba
        mamba 23 January 2014 10: 55
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I am a rogue!
        For those who do not understand the meaning of the word "Rogul", I suggest the article "Ordinary Rogul. The Appearance of Svidomita-Oranzhoid-Shchenevmerlik":
        http://bert-s.livejournal.com/729207.html
      4. 222222
        222222 23 January 2014 11: 50
        +18
        From the site "Classmates"
        Kristina Larionova
        The Teutonic bell sounds in Kiev
        Although the shouts of "Heil !!!"
        And Lobanovsky looks sadly, *
        How to burn conscience and morality
        Drunk from anger youngsters ...
        Cannon meat sends Maidan ...
        Interesting: those baby leaders
        Also rod head on a ram ???
        Will the boy remember you later
        What in the tent howls without a hand ??? (footnote 2)
        In vain in your importance are you too
        You believe, with all instinct contrary to ...
        They will forget about you in a day,
        Though on the body of Khokhloma scars ...
        After all, prostitutes rule Maidan ...
        Those that power have long driven crazy ...
        However, "ruling" is already in the past ...
        The crowd is not listening to anyone ...
        Beckons impunity for vulgarity
        Their now violence trail ...
        And grenades fly over the cobblestones ...
        And "cocktails" whistle in the sky ...
        He wants everyone with his truth-womb
        Bring happiness to Ukraine ...
        From war to the civil panacea
        Not needed by those "three heroes", ***
        That sowing your ideas everywhere
        A rod to power by blood and bones ...
        I don't like the president either ...
        But the pogroms will not solve the problem ...
        Special services abandoned for fun ...
        The big boss decides everything for them ...
        There are the same boys in "Berkut"
        What are on the verge of every moment ...
        Their medals are bruises and bumps
        In the light of political intrigue ...
        Protestants beat in empty barrels ...
        "Berkut" silently knocks on the shields ...
        Brotherhood and love torn bows ...
        Rod puppets and jesters
        On top of each other in battle ecstasy
        Sowing a population of cripples ...
        In the stands are filth
        And they turn the same track ...
        I am not for the Maidan and not for possession ...
        I'm for life without all this garbage
        That "three bastards" staged in the country, ****
        Election without waiting days ....
        *
        - riots take place in Kiev on Grushevskogo street near the stadium named after Valery Lobanovsky ... The bas-relief of the great football player and coach is almost completely destroyed ...
        footnote 2 - one of the protesters tried to throw back a light-noise grenade thrown by "Berkut" and his brush was torn off .. For what ??? Sorry for the kid ...
        *** - Klitschko, Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok
        **** - they are
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 23 January 2014 12: 04
          +3
          Misha Leontiev is not original from his colleagues in the media, therefore I will voice my position.

          "The situation in Ukraine is taught by all the media as an open confrontation between the CIA mercenaries and some patriots of Ukraine. In my opinion, this is fundamentally wrong. The CIA plays on the already existing contradictions within the country, and these contradictions have developed thanks to the activities of the Ukrainian government and the president (as in the Russian Federation )!
          Ukrainian citizens are divided into two camps, some (the generation of capitalism) really want to join the EU and get down on a visa-free regime to work in Europe, having forgotten their homeland and the swindler forever (this generation was brought up just by that thieves who are now mowing down as patriots).
          They are not going to dump the second camp of citizens (Soviet generation), and they cannot. They are well aware that with the entry into the EU, the remnants of Ukrainian industry will be finished off completely and their life will deteriorate sharply. The trouble is that they are encouraged to support the very thieves' power that mows under the patriots, with no options! And the media are strenuously convincing in just two ways.
          Because the people of Ukraine and the soldiers of the Golden Eagle can not decide on the choice for whom they actually, for the CIA or for thieves? And so not only in Ukraine.
          This is my opinion. "
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 January 2014 12: 07
            +13
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Therefore, the People of Ukraine and the soldiers of the Golden Eagle can not decide on the choice for whom they actually

            Smirnov is Berkut’s fighters who said that they couldn’t decide, or that you’ve only talked from Kiev and talked with people.
            I recommend you read the komenty Ukrainians on the site, and so they have long been decided.
            Do not invent any garbage.
            1. Mature naturalist
              Mature naturalist 23 January 2014 19: 23
              +3
              Smirnov is right.
          2. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 23 January 2014 14: 26
            +2
            It’s amazing to see a copy of ancient fairy tales on the site, the so-called agreement has already been published, there is NO mention of a visa-free regime and facilitation of the possibility of getting money to work in bold Europe, but I was told by a friend from the Carpathians about paying by payday, and there’s nowhere to work especially no one, and those who go to work do not participate in this buch, they need to earn money, the Nazis and lumpen remain.
          3. Denis
            Denis 23 January 2014 16: 27
            +4
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Therefore, the People of Ukraine and the soldiers of the Golden Eagle can not decide

            Maybe this?
          4. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 23 January 2014 16: 54
            +2
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Because the people of Ukraine and the soldiers of the Golden Eagle can not decide on the choice for whom they actually, for the CIA or for thieves? And so not only in Ukraine.

            and the options "for Ukraine" and "for the oath" are there, in your opinion?
      5. GDP
        GDP 23 January 2014 12: 23
        +7
        In this photo, where the devastation and the mess on the Maidan are depicted, in my opinion the future of Ukraine is displayed, the way it will be if the government cannot restore order in the country ...
        Ukrainians are certainly relatives to us. And relatives no matter what she is - there are relatives. You can swear with them, you can be offended, but nobody will be closer anyway. We need to understand this and not to yawn, and even more so not to rock the anti-Ukrainian sentiment in Russia, projecting the behavior of one part of Ukraine onto its entire population ...
      6. Asgard
        Asgard 23 January 2014 12: 42
        +3
        Russia does nothing more, only a 15-lard money loan and a discount on gas ....AND EVERYTHING ...
        This is not enough.
        I’m thinking that Yanukovych will sign an association with the EU ...
        There are several reasons for this ... Russia's slurred position (they gave money and no movement in securing a loan ... Crimea, the base is exempted from taxes, transmission of the gas transmission system is nothing THIS IS NOT !!! !!! ???

        In Kiev, the Americans built the BIGGEST EMBASSY IN EUROPE(we somehow missed this moment))))

        Well and most importantly, the Oligarchs, the son of Yanukovych, Yanukovych himself, keep money in the WEST(like our (U) rulers))) deputies, senators, oligarchs, officials, all have real estate THERE ...
        SIGNIFICANTLY SIGN, so as not to be taken away ...., but it’s a GAME to play off the Slavs of the Westerners and the Orientals, an attempt to shed blood, to burn like Libya, Syria, Egypt ...

        The central street of KIEV has been blocked for two months now, do you think the authorities here are not playing along)))
        TRADE AND SALES of cattle (people) are going at a higher price ... and if the price for PROMISES to keep their accounts in Western banks is the blood of People (and the campaign is only INTERESTING for the West, not the association))) THEN YANUK WILL SPILL (do not doubt it) )))
        Or action (or maybe inaction))
        Militants in the Crimea, Zapadentsev-just waiting for an order ..
        They are afraid of one thing that the People will not get involved))) either QUICKLY TURNS ORDER (Russians ARE ABLE TO THIS)))
        Therefore, a sluggish positional gathering))))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 January 2014 13: 02
          +11
          Quote: Asgard

          Russia does nothing more, only money-credit in 15 lard and a discount on gas .... AND EVERYTHING ...

          This is all that was voiced, that nobody will advertise through the special services. And what Putin agreed with Yanukovych in Moscow behind closed doors is mystery.
          Quote: Asgard
          I’m thinking that Yanukovych will sign an association with the EU ...

          He will not sign and there are a lot of reasons for that. He did not sign that I said back in September and did not sign. The association for him is over and the actual loss of power is immediately.
          Quote: Asgard

          Well and most importantly, the Oligarchs, the son of Yanukovych, Yanukovych himself, keep money in the WEST (

          Given the latest announcements of the State Department and what they can do with the accounts of those who are objectionable, it’s not well known. Only the nerd will keep loot there now. There’s nothing there, everyone has been sent to more reliable countries.
          Quote: Asgard
          SIGNIFICANTLY SIGN, so as not to be taken away

          But I say no, and why did you get the idea that you’re going to sign it at all. Nobody needs an association with the EU. Especially the EU in these conditions.
          1. Denis
            Denis 23 January 2014 17: 18
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Nobody needs an association with the EU, especially the EU in these conditions.
        2. 222222
          222222 23 January 2014 13: 49
          +9
          "Ukraine and Russia, following the results of last year's interstate agreements, are developing a number of joint projects totaling $ 56,4 billion, said the Minister of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine Igor Prasolov ..."
          This is not enough. ?
          maybe this is the reason for the activation of the west in Ukraine?
        3. hommer
          hommer 23 January 2014 14: 38
          +5
          Quote: Asgard
          Russia does nothing more, only a 15-lard money loan and a discount on gas .... AND EVERYTHING ... This is not enough.


          Cookies had to be distributed on the Maidan, or something ...
          But, in general, I feel sorry for the fraternal people for us, Kazakhs.
          Indeed, you have to choose between a bad and a very bad option.
          Not all gangsters and terrorists on the Maidan, this is understandable. But they they themselves must also understand that completely different people cynically use their sincere indignation by the authorities.
          Maybe, think, remember Libya, Syria ...- and be horrified ?! Wait for the elections and vote for a worthy person. That there are none in Ukraine - I do not believe it!
          But if a state with a lot of blood breaks up, they will be guilty of this, first of all, beautiful-hearted ...
        4. Polovec
          Polovec 23 January 2014 15: 16
          +2
          I rarely agree with Asgard. But today I support. Although I want to believe that behind the scenes everything is done right.
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        6. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 23 January 2014 16: 20
          +10
          Quote: Asgard
          Russia does nothing more, only money-credit in 15 lard and a discount on gas .... AND EVERYTHING ...
          This is not enough.
          I’m thinking that Yanukovych will sign an association with the EU ...

          Will not sign! Now every day, every hour it works against the opposition, its ratings have fallen below the plinth and the essence of these has thrown out in all its "glory". They have no program, no intelligible words, no charisma, but according to the new laws, everyone is already under articles. The golden eagle is calm and waiting for an order, an hour will be enough to clean up the Maidan with the packing of all the banderlog, there will be enough strength. Russia needs support at the diplomatic level and in the media space, which is already happening. If Syria was Stalingrad for us, then Kiev is now the Kursk Bulge, but the time of Prokhorovka has not come yet. The golden eagle is our beauty and pride, God grant them health, strength and wisdom ... sorry for the affected guys, but it's not in vain because our cause is RIGHT and victory will be ours.
        7. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 23 January 2014 16: 59
          +7
          Quote: Asgard
          Russia does nothing more, only money-credit in 15 lard and a discount on gas .... AND EVERYTHING ...
          This is not enough.

          it is very, very much - they are on the needle ...
          Quote: Asgard
          I’m thinking that Yanukovych will sign an association with the EU ...

          will not sign, think better ...
          Quote: Asgard
          In Kiev, the Americans built the BIGGEST EMBASSY IN EUROPE

          size doesn't always matter ... especially when it comes to American diplomacy ...
          Quote: Asgard
          The central street of KIEV has been blocked for two months now, do you think the authorities here are not playing along)))

          it’s not a joke - it’s a lack of will and fear ...
          1. smile
            smile 23 January 2014 21: 07
            +3
            Danafxnumx
            Special thanks for the passage about ... "American diplomacy" :))) You shoot without a miss, just fly in! :)))
      7. Scoun
        Scoun 23 January 2014 13: 41
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And the maidanut people remind me more and more of the Romani gypsies.

        Alexander, there is a difference .. gypsies do not throw Molotov cocktails at "gypsies", they do not shoot at their own people from rooftops. Maidanut more Arab henchmen resemble houses of the Saudis.
      8. VAF
        VAF 23 January 2014 14: 43
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, Russia will not give Ukraine, not that time already.


        Oh Sanya .. don't say "gop .. not yet ...." recourse

        And the Author is always MINUS - because .. "earned" himself a vice-president chair in ROSNEFT wassat
      9. Polovec
        Polovec 23 January 2014 15: 01
        +13
        I'm old and fat ... And the change is disappointing. There are no commanders who will not take responsibility for their orders on subordinates. There is no ideology of the Great Homeland (I don’t feel like it for the wealth of Miller, Deripaska and other pillars of society ...). Where are you my native USSR? Studied in Ukraine. Most of the professors of all mathematics, sopromat, material science, termeha, in. ides were Jews and I did not know that they were enemies. The best friend was from Lutsk (Zapadenets). Fat was cracked with a Tajik, and a bedside table was shared with a Tatar. I somehow did not suspect that nationality matters ...
        It’s necessary to complete this mess somehow.
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    2. A.YARY
      A.YARY 23 January 2014 10: 13
      +12
      Quote
      So hold on!
      In terms of; "Ditch, catch the ax! What are you moving? Did you catch what?"
      Alexander good day
      more Romani gypsies resemble.
      Ohhhh I agree with that vision. By the level of consciousness, that's for sure!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 January 2014 10: 22
        +12
        Quote: A.YARY
        In terms of consciousness, then for sure!

        Hi Andrei! No, the gypsies will be smarter by the level of consciousness, but one by one in terms of lifestyle. The chicken coop is shorter with the rooster in ringleaders.
    3. AVV
      AVV 23 January 2014 10: 22
      +15
      The West is so weak now that instead of money, Ukraine is setting new conditions !!! And Russia has given money without conditions, so what is pulling Ukraine into this blue distance ??? And the elite, which has real estate beyond the hill, is pulling it there, yes bank accounts, and even ordinary people, this same elite simply simply has, and nothing more !!!
      1. tundra
        tundra 23 January 2014 10: 37
        +4
        Yes, our (the elite supposedly) also does not lag behind. I wish they all came together to the same wall.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 January 2014 11: 51
        +5
        Quote: AVV
        The West is now so weak that instead of money, it is setting new conditions for Ukraine !!

        It is not strange, but the West has money for maidan, they send millions of dollars by air and diplomatic mail.
        1. bogdan
          bogdan 23 January 2014 12: 19
          +8
          The Ukrainian opposition, its three clown leaders, do not decide anything. Klitschko - was "extinguished" from the fire extinguisher by their own activists, they loudly and thoughtfully sent Yatsenyuk to x .., Tyagnybok, apparently avoiding the fate of the first two, is not shown at all. And the militants in Kiev, underwent very good training in special camps - their actions show good preparation - that's who controls them is in the shadows. I really don’t want to have a Libyan-Syrian version.
        2. GDP
          GDP 23 January 2014 12: 38
          +2
          So it’s better for them to pay millions now than to conclude conditions for EU accession for Ukraine under more severe conditions and lose billions ...
          For them, it's just a business ...
        3. Gregazov
          Gregazov 23 January 2014 12: 58
          +6
          millions of dollars are far less than billions of dollars. Something like this...
        4. Normal
          Normal 23 January 2014 16: 00
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          no one will advertise what they are doing through special services.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Putin agreed with Yanukovych in Moscow behind closed doors

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .No there is nothing, everyone was led to more reliable countries.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          But I say no, and why did you get the idea that you’re going to sign it at all. Nobody needs an association with the EU.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          the west has money for maidan, they send millions of dollars by air and diplomatic mail.

          Super Agent 007,5 bully Alexander Romanov - knows everything!
          And what are they plotting and doing along the line of special services (only - t-ssss !!!)
          And behind closed doors at the talks of Putin, Yanukovych was present. (stood behind the curtain)
          And he monitors the movement of funds in the accounts of Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs in foreign banks. (directly from "Vladik" on the Internet)
          Yanukovych gives advice and recommendations regarding association with the EU
          Checks planes from the west and searches deep mail.

          Wonder Agent! What does the site do, vegetate? It’s high time to become advisor advisers to Putin laughing
        5. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 23 January 2014 17: 14
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It is not strange, but the West has money for maidan, they send millions of dollars by air and diplomatic mail.

          and you do not forget how much they weld on these messes ...

          the military-industrial lobby is on the alert, as well as the oil and gas and agricultural ...

          only very distant people still believe that the West wants to help us in the fight against corruption and thieves (by the very people whom the West has identified as thieves, and there is no evidence for that) ...
      3. ele1285
        ele1285 23 January 2014 12: 16
        0
        Quote: AVV
        West is so weak right now

        The West is certainly not weak, economically they are stronger than us, there is even nothing to say, but morally and spiritually we are certainly stronger. But our super-liberal government sticks in our wheels and puts a stick in our wheels. Our government is like that, it pulls the cordon at the slightest frenzy, their money is not measured. I'll make a reservation, not all. But all these Shuvalovs, Surkovs and Serdyukovs are definitely not with us.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 23 January 2014 22: 10
      -2
      Quote: kot11180
      Ukraine must be defended, this is our RUSSIAN WORLD. I think it will work out, the last two years Russia has responded to the West with dignity, and there is a result


      Somehow it’s not very that he (this people) deserves to be defended. Purely my opinion, let the civil war begin there - fly, bomb.
      1. alone
        alone 23 January 2014 22: 16
        +1
        America is tired. America does not pull in conflicts around the world. Russian America, not a threat. With Russia it is necessary to negotiate rather than to provoke. On the question of the Air Force, they say that America has lost the ability to project power in the whole world, as before, Gates replied:

        “An interesting addition is“ as before. ”She did this all the time from the 50's, while other nations grew stronger, rebuilt after the war, with the rise of China, and with a decrease in our share in global GDP in the last 50 years, how other countries became richer. Our unilateral influence in the world between, say, the end of World War II and Vietnam is obviously in the past. "



        Gates is disingenuous. America is not tired. She is just waiting for her moment. There will be a frame, another will come and it will start all over again.
        but Leontiev did achieve his goal. He became vice-president)) it turns out that in addition to a bunch of specialties, he is also an expert on oil.
    5. sergey_1069
      sergey_1069 23 January 2014 22: 52
      -1
      Russia responded to the West with dignity
      ============================================
      My dear fellow, science has died in Russia, production has shrunk, education has become bogged down, more than 4 million vagabonds, almost a million homeless children, they smell terrible drunkenness, they smell glue, they suffer from bad illnesses, they urinate in the porches and compare themselves with the West ... Like, answered the West with dignity ... Wait sooner or later for low oil and gas prices, then we'll see what about there and how much ...
    6. sergey_1069
      sergey_1069 23 January 2014 22: 52
      -1
      Russia responded to the West with dignity
      ============================================
      My dear fellow, science has died in Russia, production has shrunk, education has become bogged down, more than 4 million vagabonds, almost a million homeless children, they smell terrible drunkenness, they smell glue, they suffer from bad illnesses, they urinate in the porches and compare themselves with the West ... Like, answered the West with dignity ... Wait sooner or later for low oil and gas prices, then we'll see what about there and how much ...
  2. Name
    Name 23 January 2014 10: 01
    +8
    Speaking figuratively, volvulus of the intestines in America or not the congestion of the stomach from "swallowed" after the collapse of the USSR.
  3. askort154
    askort154 23 January 2014 10: 02
    +10
    Sooner or later, everyone will see their light. Robert Gates took only 50 years. Or did this dislocation of the cervical vertebrae affect the luminosity of the mind ?!
    1. Woolfy
      Woolfy 23 January 2014 10: 18
      0
      The disadvantages of West American education ..
    2. mamba
      mamba 23 January 2014 11: 14
      +4
      Quote: askort154
      Or is it a dislocation of the cervical vertebrae so affected the luminosity of the mind ?!

      He doesn't need it. He is not a stupid man, although he was famous for failures and "kooky". As director of the CIA, Gates was unable to pinpoint the period of decline and collapse of the Soviet Union. Having pledged the honor for the completeness and reliability of the study presented to the Senate on the involvement of the Soviet Union in the assassination attempt on John Paul II in 1981, he completely disgraced himself. And how he marched in front of the Red Square in honor of the victory in the Cold War! Clownery, and nothing more.
      Now he is out of work, and therefore he is trying to draw attention to his own person, criticizing even himself retroactively.
    3. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 23 January 2014 17: 18
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      Sooner or later, everyone will see their light. Robert Gates took only 50 years. Or did this dislocation of the cervical vertebrae affect the luminosity of the mind ?!

      do you really think that was a revelation? laughing

      it’s just that they have several gangs (lobbying groups) constantly fighting in the capitol, one of which is Gates, and judging by his words, now this group is losing ...

      well, that’s for the better, better a stupid enemy than a smart one ...
  4. a52333
    a52333 23 January 2014 10: 06
    +1
    And everyone who keeps the Ukrainian opposition on a short leash knows everything. So hold on!

    What to keep? In my opinion, Russia is not doing anything yet, only from the side condemning Euro-fascism. But you must.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 January 2014 10: 23
      +7
      Quote: a52333
      . But you must

      And why now, so that the boxer with the fascist would have someone to blame. Not a great schukher, if there was a will in power, no longer needed.
    2. mitya24
      mitya24 23 January 2014 10: 37
      +10
      WHAT? in your opinion, Russia should do. Sink to their methods, hryvnia and sandwiches to drive margenals from the eastern regions to Kiev and thereby provoke a civil war? To send troops to the Crimea and border areas, presented in the eyes of the world community as akkupants? Any action on our part will be presented under a sauce that is not entirely tasty for us. So the only correct decision in this situation is to wait for these pedofascists to compromise themselves and the people of Ukraine, tired of the Maidan Sabbath, the SAM will not tell him "SHA".
      1. a52333
        a52333 23 January 2014 23: 58
        +1
        The people of Ukraine are tired of Yanukovych and there is a significant percentage of those who think that it cannot be worse. What is needed is a position, a point of view, a promise to Yanuca of shelter and "roof" in exchange for decisive action. Specialists and consultants.
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      1. lelikas
        lelikas 23 January 2014 11: 38
        +3
        Quote: mitya24
        WHAT? In your opinion, Russia should do.

        And AS an option - to give Vityaz free of charge a T-40 bulldozer, a couple of water cannons and airfield fire engines.
        The process of overclocking will go clearly fun.
        Specialists in international law should defend the actions of the authorities and bring to the world what is actually happening there.
        And while America creeped into Ukraine, we hissed at America and all remained with us.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 23 January 2014 14: 37
          +3
          Quote: lelikas
          And while America creeped into Ukraine, we hissed at America and all remained with us.

          Everyone is somehow missing that the movement in Ukraine began immediately after the successes of Syria. And Lionchik clearly squandered: That Russia is closer to Russia than Syria.
          And accordingly there is a bazaar station surrendering Syria in exchange for Ukraine.
          although there is only one option for us Slavic-Sarmatians.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 23 January 2014 17: 22
            0
            Quote: Papakiko
            And accordingly there is a bazaar station surrendering Syria in exchange for Ukraine.
            although there is only one option for us Slavic-Sarmatians.

            I don’t think, they were simply excommunicated from one feeding trough, they switched to another ... simultaneously spitting in our direction ...

            however, it’s not entirely clear what they hope for ...
  5. JonnyT
    JonnyT 23 January 2014 10: 21
    +7
    In the US, they are all so smart, especially politicians and analysts, but that’s why political action says the opposite? Who runs the USA? Rational wise politicians? Or craving for adventure on your ass and greed?
  6. Neophyte
    Neophyte 23 January 2014 11: 20
    +3
    The Anglo-Saxon mentality and the owners of multinational companies have long been deciding the fate of the world.
    Russia and the entire Slavic world for them - a bone in the throat, and that’s choking!
  7. major071
    major071 23 January 2014 11: 21
    +9
    That's why I respect Leontyev (not only "However), that he is a very smart guy. It seems to be a small program, but he said a lot and to the point. good
    Of course, we will not give Ukraine to the West, they will manage. If we adhere to the same international policy, then the time will come and America will choke on the piece that has grabbed, thinking that it has the widest fuck .... am
    1. Polovec
      Polovec 23 January 2014 15: 20
      0
      Yes, they are all in one world .. Leontief, Darenka, Pozdner ... For loot and branded Christ!
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  8. mountain
    mountain 23 January 2014 11: 56
    +3
    No matter how much America urinates, it’s all against the wind both for itself and the EU, its eyes are flooded. They don’t see a damn thing from a powerful jet. It’s time to walk carefully before the wind.
  9. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 January 2014 11: 57
    +3
    After the USSR left the political arena, America sighed in relief and decided that she was the strongest in the world, tried to prove it in practice. But it was not there. Russia, China, India did not agree with such impudence. Attempts to crush the world for themselves ended in failure for the United States. To assert themselves in world domination, the Americans unleashed a series of conflicts, plunged many countries of North Africa into chaos. Near and Middle East. As a result, conflicts on earth burn and smolder, people suffer. And from the ideas of world domination, the Yankees got zilch. So very right, former Secretary of Defense Gates: America’s wishes did not coincide with its capabilities.
  10. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 23 January 2014 12: 01
    +2
    I think Yanukovych is playing both ours and yours. But to a greater extent, he is also seen for European integration. Otherwise, how to explain his indecision? In my opinion, he wants to show Russia with his hands maydanutyh that he has nothing to do with it, so the people want it. He apparently wants to "eat the fish and sit down," but that doesn't happen. As if he did not have to adhere to another saying: "You love to ride, love and sled to carry." He will have to answer in any case, and it may happen that not only the loss of his capital abroad.
  11. v53993
    v53993 23 January 2014 12: 08
    +1
    Ukrainians are our brothers, really stupid, but it happens. We pat on the ass, conduct educational work and look wiser for 50 years.
  12. shelva
    shelva 23 January 2014 12: 16
    +4
    Even the borders between Russia and Ukraine are a purely formal USSR invention. The local places of residence of the Russian-speaking population of eastern Ukraine have not been determined. The Ukrainian Crimea is generally an anecdote. All this suggests that our states are "doomed" to be in the same team - in the end - we are Slavs and together we will be able to resist all Westernizers there, we are eager for Ukrainian bacon.
  13. Suhov
    Suhov 23 January 2014 12: 57
    +5
    Maidanism

    Material from the free Russian encyclopedia Tradition. You can supplement or correct it.

    Idiocy - congenital dementia. In traditional (so-called “punitive”) psychiatry distinguish several stages congenital dementia:

    - oligophrenia
    - D.B.I.L.I.P.M. or debility
    - imbecile
    - actually idiocy or idiocy
    - Maidanism - "alternative talent", a kind of "unconventional intellectual orientation" wassat

    The first stage involves a favorable prognosis of the patient's social adaptation (using corrective methods of oligophrenopedagogy), if dementia is not burdened by sociopathy.

    The history of oligophrenia or debility (to a limited extent) in accordance with current legislation is not an obstacle to military service in the Russian army.

    At the household level, idiocy is often understood simply as impractical behavior (not to be confused with deviant, asocial behavior), which is reflected in works of fiction (novel F.M. Dostoevsky "*****").

    "Humane" ("unconventional", politically correct) psychiatry considers all stages of idiocy not as a clinical deviation from the norm, but as "Alternative talent", a kind of "unconventional intellectual orientation."

    Idiocy according to ICD-10 (International Classification of Diseases 10th revision)

    In ICD-10, moronity, imbecile and idiocy are considered as increasing degrees of severity of oligophrenia, in total there are four such degrees:

    Light - moronicity - IQ 50-70
    Moderate - Imbecility - IQ 35-50
    Severe - imbecility, severe mental subnormality, - IQ 20-35
    Deep - idiocy - IQ 10-20
    3,14 **** - Maidanism - IQ less than 10

    Conventionally, they can be compared with the above traditional gradations.
  14. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 23 January 2014 13: 09
    +7
    Until now, poor fellows, they can’t chew on anything they have bitten ... laughing Do they really mean to spit it out now? belay Hailo themselves unreasonably scattered! Well, thank him too ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 January 2014 16: 45
      +2
      Quote: Jogan-64
      Until now, poor fellows, can’t chew on anything they have bitten ..

      "Cir-cir-cir ..."
      "Why are you so at once! Mom's half of the circus is stuck in her throat !!!" (film "Mister X")
    2. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 23 January 2014 19: 28
      0
      Two days left for him ...
      1. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 23 January 2014 20: 17
        +2
        small print on the right: what is assigned / what has already passed
        At any time...
  15. Nitarius
    Nitarius 23 January 2014 13: 58
    +4
    Quote: Jogan-64
    Until now, poor fellows, they can’t chew on anything they have bitten ... laughing Do they really mean to spit it out now? belay Hailo themselves unreasonably scattered! Well, thank him too ...

    Chic Picture))) Well, to continue)))
    I think WE ARE RISING!
    God forbid that VOVIK DOES NOT DROP THE COUNTRY ... In the meantime, everything seems to be obtained from him!
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 23 January 2014 14: 20
      +3
      Quote: Nitarius
      Chic Picture

      God marks the assault!
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  16. Russ69
    Russ69 23 January 2014 14: 00
    +8
    Hard, wrote about the events on the Maidan ... I completely agree with him ...

    I watch videos, where "Berkut" is thrown with "Molotov cocktails" and quietly precipitate. The soldiers burn, their comrades extinguish them, and again Molotov cocktails are thrown at them. They are set on fire, and they are extinguished. They set it on fire, and they put it out. Everything is fine, the usual workflow, called for short "we are getting married!" I look and cannot believe my eyes. It doesn't fit in my head. I just can't believe it. We live in a world that we are trying to organize somehow, to make it understandable. But suddenly something happens that is beyond common sense and we stand and think - how is this even possible? After all, everything was so simple and clear, but suddenly it turns out that chaos and madness existed in parallel and only waited a minute to break free and take over the world.
    What is happening in Kiev is called "riots". And attacks on the life of law enforcement officers. The authorities do not want to open fire to kill - this will provoke a civil war. The authorities do not want to get blood on their hands yet. She still has a hope to solve everything without automatic and machine-gun bursts. She wants to throw the Berkut fighters into the furnace and wait for everything to resolve itself somehow. I'm not interested in who stands for whom and who stands for what. I know the main thing: if the crowd can take power into their own hands, it will get worse. Violence is easy to release from a cage and difficult to drive back. Now the "Berkut" fighters are no longer dealing with a natural phenomenon. They are opposed by an organized crowd that is led, has tactics, and wants blood.
    What to do in such a situation? Probably need to drive a curfew. Deter anyone who does not comply. And disperse the crowd. To disperse, not pushing into some positions, but for the adult, rigidly and clearly until completely dispersed. First comes the assault unit, behind are the fighters of detention - to detain and deliver all those whom the assault group has failed. Here the algorithm is simple - the more you plant, the less chance you have to shoot. However, my hand would not flinch. I would put five snipers and that’s it. You missed a shot to throw something at a police officer? ”He immediately got a bullet. Both protesters and employees are the population of this state. Not people, because people need to be able to be. So far, Ukraine is demonstrating that it has only a population. So why can one part of the population ruin the second with impunity? Shooting is still more humane than wailing in response from a flamethrower. Shoot the genitals, well, let a hundred people - the unrest will stop and stupid people will not multiply. The country is in the black.
    And someone, when I wrote about the Maidan last time, I said - oh, they beat the fallen, not resisting. Ah, the staff is not justifiably cruel! Well, well ... Reap the benefits of great-heartedness. And children sometimes have to be flogged, despite all the love for them. And here obviously little flogged. I am not bloodthirsty. Just very often, the indecision to use violence leads to many times more widespread violence. Therefore, I am for humanism. It is a pity, but Ukraine is now on the verge of death. Independence - it is so ... It’s not enough to get it, you still need to know how to use it. In the meantime, like this:

    http://hardingush.livejournal.com/134926.html
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 23 January 2014 15: 58
      +8
      Quote: Russ69
      I watch videos, where "Berkut" is thrown with "Molotov cocktails" and quietly precipitated. The soldiers burn, their comrades extinguish them, and again Molotov cocktails are thrown at them. They are set on fire, and they are extinguished. They set it on fire and they put it out. Everything is fine, the usual workflow, called for short "we are getting married!" I look and cannot believe my eyes. It doesn't fit in my head. I just can't believe it. We live in a world that we are trying to somehow streamline, make it understandable.

      Ukrainian "Berkut" LITERALLY with its bodies keeps the country from slipping into an armed confrontation between people from Ternopil, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and the authorities. And the reason for this is the pacifist sentiments of the common Ukrainian Tolstoyans. EVERYONE wants, at least, to look like respectable Europeans, such kind-hearted - "We are for peace!"
      But organized BANDS from Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopol think and act completely differently, they are STRICTLY AIMED at the seizure (namely, the seizure!) of power, since the peaceful inhabitants feel sorry for them and sympathize with them. And there are such common people ("... a peaceful penguin stupidly hides a fat body in the cliffs ..." - "Petrel" from M. Gorky) there are too many in Kiev alone.
      Yanukovych and the government, following in the mainstream of the "gay-ropean way", tried to observe tolerant decency and, thus, drove themselves into a trap - hard the dispersal of the maydanutyh will not "approve of the peaceful" EU, and it is not possible to release the situation on the brakes - the militants are trained and require active action.
    2. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 23 January 2014 19: 42
      +5
      Action scenario:
      Ambulances are being driven up to the alleys, the forthcoming beginning of stripping is announced in the matyugalnyuki, orders to prepare the beds for the reception of the wounded are being sent to hospitals in plain text. The neighboring streets overlap, there is only one exit from the square. Yanukovych speaks on TV, restrainedly informs that since such a time, the police are moving to action.
      Themselves run away ...
      Unfortunately, Yanukovych is not an eagle.

      As a result, the country will fall apart. Although for us it is for the better.
      Westerners will be another state that nobody needs in Eastern Europe, without resources, without industry.
      East and Crimea will return to Russia. Donbass, metallurgy, and Kharkov defense enterprises are not bad for Russia. Yes, and we will go to the Crimea to rest without problems.

      So, it’s a pity for Ukrainians, but it’s only to the benefit of Russia and ours in Ukraine.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 23 January 2014 21: 30
        +3
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        Action scenario:

        I want to believe...
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        Westerners will be another state that nobody needs in Eastern Europe, without resources, without industry.

        Nope ... The West will help them ... Then they will join Great Romania on the rights of national minorities. And Romanians will have their own "gypsies" laughing
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 23 January 2014 22: 19
          +2
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Then they will pour into the corresponding Great Romania

          Yes, at least, Poland ...
          Let then:
          ___________
          | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ |
          __ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ |
          | ___ | ___ BITS HEAD__ | ___ |
          __ | ___ | ___ | __ loans ____ | ___ | ___ |
          | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | _
          __ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ | ___ |
  17. S-200
    S-200 23 January 2014 15: 02
    0
    After January 15th, when I see Leontyev, one motive spins ...
    Bear, Bear ...
    where is your passbook ?!
    complete as ...
    Russia-oil ... dough!

    bully
  18. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 January 2014 15: 46
    +6
    Here are the results of the latest "negotiations" between US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Rinat Akhmetov.
    "Nuland said that in the event of the Euromaidan cleanup, the United States and the EU leaders agreed on a common position - the immediate imposition of sanctions against leading politicians and oligarchs from the circle of President Yanukovych. ... not only for those power figures who took part in the violent crackdown, but also for those who did not take part in the defense of the peace scenario. " In prison jargon, there is an accurate and capacious definition of what happened, this is what they do when "weave two or more threads (strands) into one". Less capacious - tied.
    What the US Deputy Secretary of State demands from the oligarchs - "The United States expects that the PR faction will support all four demands of the opposition, after which a peace negotiation process can begin:
    1. Announcement of early presidential elections.
    2. Announcement of early parliamentary elections.
    3. The release of Tymoshenko and the full restoration of her civil rights.
    4. Initiation of criminal cases against all employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and "Berkut" who took part in dispersing peaceful demonstrations. "
    The last point is simply beyond the scope, it is clear that it is not possible for a truly independent state to accept it, which means that no negotiations bother anyone, they just want America to have a war like in Syria.
    Threats for oligarchs for not following America’s instructions are commonplace and understandable, they will take away business and money, and pressure on families abroad.
    It is clear to Russia that it is constantly reminded that it is impossible to interfere in the free choice of citizens of Ukraine.
    Source: http://censor.net.ua/news/263364/ssha_trebuyut_ot_ahmetova_i_klyueva_podnyat_par
    tiyinyyi_bunt_protiv_yanukovicha_inache_sanktsii
  19. rereture
    rereture 23 January 2014 15: 47
    +3
    Yesterday I watched the online broadcast of the riots, the golden eagle at first drove the maidanuts across the square, then retreated, began to dismantle the barricades, drove an armored vehicle (used as a tractor) and a bulldozer. All sorts of personalities appeared on the stage urging everyone to go to the Maidan and take up arms. Get rid of the "Lyalkowska Moscow". and so on all day. In the evening they again threw cocktails at the Berkut.

    I heard there are five deaths among the protesters, in the Ukrainian media they said that two were from rubber bullets. But it seems like one crashed, falling from the roof.
  20. Russ69
    Russ69 23 January 2014 17: 45
    +3
    Lviv seized the city administration.
    The governor of the region resigned. According to the tape.ru:
    The representative of the initiative group Rostislav Pelekh said that the “People’s Council” will be created in the regional administration and that “deputies of the Lviv Regional Council will take power”. In the regional council, we note that the largest are the factions of the opposition to the current leadership of Ukraine - the nationalist party "Freedom" and "Fatherland".


    If this goes further, then Ukraine, as a state, will end ...
  21. Boris63
    Boris63 23 January 2014 19: 08
    +2
    Syria and Ukraine are like "the last frontier" for us, which cannot be "given up" in any way.
    I am still gnawing at the thought of why the Banderlog chose Bandera as their idol, and not Petliura. Petliura had at least some kind of "state", though not for a long time. Bandera is a citizen of a foreign state (neither stake nor yard), in Ukraine he only killed and robbed. Maybe that's why they chose him as an idol.
  22. tennis
    tennis 23 January 2014 19: 58
    +4
    It has become an icon for the western part of Ukraine. What is this icon is no time to understand.
  23. Orakyl
    Orakyl 23 January 2014 20: 33
    0
    It is necessary to support Ukraine, to hold the Olympiad, to control the Caucasus, to destroy the fifth column, to disperse the existing central media.
    People have long dubbed the TV ZOMBOZHOMIK, and the concept of the media is inseparable from the concept of SALE, because they are owned and funded by the United States.
    In this connection, I recommend that people watch independent news on the Internet that reveals the truth, type in a search engine Nikolai Levashov, Nikolai Fedorov, Nikolai Starikov - only this is a very bitter truth for Russia.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 24 January 2014 01: 07
      +1
      Quote: Orakyl
      In this connection, I recommend that people watch independent news on the Internet that reveals the truth.


      At the expense of "independent news on the Internet" - smiled.
      News, maybe independent, is a big question.
  24. tochila
    tochila 23 January 2014 21: 54
    0
    BERKUTU strength and courage and speedy team FAS !!!!
    1. alone
      alone 23 January 2014 22: 19
      -1
      Quote: tochila
      BERKUTU strength and courage and speedy team FAS !!!!


      The FAS team is given to dogs! and how to understand this?
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 24 January 2014 00: 06
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: tochila
        BERKUTU strength and courage and speedy team FAS !!!!


        The FAS team is given to dogs! and how to understand this?


        We, the Slavs, the dog is not not a pure animal, the wave is a man's friend, in the direct sense. Berkuts are "service dogs" hi people and nothing shameful about it
  25. konvalval
    konvalval 24 January 2014 00: 01
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: kot11180
    Ukraine must be defended, this is our RUSSIAN WORLD.

    Yes, Russia will not give Ukraine, not that time already. And the maidanut people remind me more and more of the Romani gypsies.

    And here's how I look at the draft in the side in profile, so hitler without a mustache is poured.
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