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So alive or dead to Doku Umarov?

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On Wednesday, a new correspondence charge was brought against Doku Umarov, the leader of the terrorist underground gang. Reports about it Interfax with reference to some own sources. At the same time, the material of the information agency states that this time Umarov was charged under Article 205.2 Part 1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation:


Public calls for terrorist activities or public justification of terrorism.

Such an accusation, as reported by the same unnamed source of information of Interfax, appeared after the publication of a certain video message by Umarov on the Internet, in which he reflects in the veto of justifying terrorism. The video materials themselves, according to some data, are now thoroughly studied by Russian law enforcement agencies and special services, but there is no word about where exactly such materials have surfaced.

The penalty for the above paragraph of Article 205.2 is as follows:

a fine of up to five hundred thousand rubles, either in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to three years, or by forced labor for up to four years, or imprisonment for a term of two to five years.

Does the next in absentia accusation (the next one, as there are other accusations of Umarov - in particular, in the case of organizing a terrorist act in Domodedovo, in the case of organizing and leading a criminal group) add enthusiasm in combating the terrorist underground? Hardly.

The situation with such an odious figure as Doku Umarov has recently been developing, generally speaking, very strange. A few days ago, the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, said that he was 99% sure of the death of the leader of the North Caucasian gangster underground, because in his (Kadyrov) order there is a record of the conversation between two “emirs” from Dagestan and Kabardino-Balkaria, in which they express condolences each other and choose a new "Emir" of Chechnya. If we take into account that Umarov was considered the “emir” of Chechnya, then it turns out (according to the conversation already mentioned by Kadyrov) that he (Umarov) is truly dead. According to Kadyrov, it remains only to find the corpse ...

The strangeness of the situation is that the Russian special services do not confirm Umarov’s death. If you add here information about a certain video message by Umarov (when and where he made it - so far a big question), for which the gangster was added another “correspondence” article, then it turns out that Russian law enforcement and special agencies do not just confirm the information The Chechen Republic, but in fact refute it. “Why would a new article be added if the person involved is dead ...”

What kind of information to trust today? The one according to which, Umarov is more alive than dead, or the one who says that he is more dead than alive?

So alive or dead to Doku Umarov?


To force yourself to dwell on any of the presented points of view, it is necessary to compare the facts available today.

If we start with the facts that speak in favor of the version of his death, then these facts are almost entirely based on reports submitted by Ramzan Kadyrov. The messages, as we have already understood, are based on the presence of a certain audio record of the Chechen leader, the existence of which, however, is not reported by the special services. Of course, we can say that the secret services are not obliged to report anything in terms of the availability of important operational information, but after talking about a certain published address on the Internet that Umarov had, and on the basis of which, Umarov was put forward regarding the Emir The new correspondence charge, information methods of the Russian special services still raise some questions. They call, of course, if the Interfax messages are really based on real and “fresh” materials, and not on speculation, intertwined with an informational video clip.

So, the version about the death of the leader of the Caucasian gang underground promoted by Kadyrov is based on a certain audio recording, the essence of which is known from the words of the same Kadyrov. Are there any other evidences that Umarov "is more dead than alive"? There is no evidence, there is only indirect evidence of his possible death. This is the lack of publications in the form of video messages on various video hosting sites, or, let's say, specific resources, which Umarov personally captured (or, as is often said, “a person like” Doku Umarov). The last of these “official” video addresses dates back to July last year, when Umarov lifted the so-called “moratorium on terrorist attacks against the Russian people” and announced the preparation of terrorist attacks aimed at holding the Olympics. After the appearance of "on the air," Umarov did not show himself in the video, did not "speak" on the radio.

Someone may assume that he showed himself, but only the moderators of video hosting sites were immediately guided and immediately removed the appeals of the terrorist. Yes, just think so - very naive. Why naive? Yes, because all the other Umarov "appeals", for example, did not go away from Youtube anywhere - they only transformed into original comments of world news agencies. As an example, a video was posted on Youtube on behalf of a very popular foreign information resource, which presents the full version of the above-mentioned July appeal from Umarov with some comments from the host broadcast. That is, if Umarov from July 2013 of the year to January of 2014 presented something on his own in video format, then the world press would have long ago “extracted” this material from video services, presented with its own explanations what “he had in mind "under its own sauce, again laid out in Youtube. But the world press is silent, only arguing that someone spoke "on behalf and on behalf of" Doku Umarov "the other day."

Now that "Umarov is more alive than dead." What confirms this version? Indirectly, Russian special services, who see no reason to confirm Kadyrov’s words. In reality, this is the absence of a gangster's corpse. But with the corpse, the situation is also far from being the most transparent. With a strong desire, both the special services and Kadyrov could “find” the body of an insurgent, and even demonstrate it, let's say, to the general public. But, apparently, no one is going to say “gop!” Until the situation with Umarov's death becomes obvious.

Can we assume that Umarov is alive, based on the recent tragic events in Volgograd? Volgograd terrorist attacks are by no means an indicator of the existence of Doku Umarov in this world, if not an indicator of this and the words of some militants who joined the Iraqi extremist organization that declared Umarov's "health".

Reports of Umarov's death have appeared before. In the press you can count about half a dozen such "news of death." The militant "perished" in Beslan, Grozny, Urus-Martan, Nozhay-Yurt. The last time they “buried” Umarov in 2011 was when, after an airstrike on the location of the militants on the territory of Ingushetia, the insurgents allegedly left only fragments of his body and clothes. Then they even conducted a DNA examination, but the examination showed that the remains did not belong to Umarov. What kind of DNA materials were taken as the basis is not specified.

By and large, whether Umarov is alive or dead is no longer important. The current situation is such that if someone is carrying out plans to disrupt the Sochi Olympics or to explode in other Russian regions in order to disunite the people, to push individual groups of their heads together, he will do everything to use the services of other “Umarovs” (“Basayev”, “Barovy”, further, as they say, according to the list). Umarov, even if one assumes that until recently, such a “image” was not, let's say, collective, a typical cog in a big machine of global terror.
Dropped one - replaced by another. But who periodically tightens up such screws, changes them and lubricates the whole mechanism - this is a separate question. The answer to it, and not at all the new “correspondence” articles of the Criminal Code in relation to the cogs, should concern Russian law enforcement and security officials if their work is really entirely aimed at ensuring the security of Russia.
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  1. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 23 January 2014 08: 50
    +18
    Die dog ...
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 09: 37
      +12
      Quote: Prapor-527
      Die dog ...


      Alive or dead, the difference is small. Since this is just a face. but not the organizer. Yandarbiev was dangerous, they removed him, and the same Zakayev or Umarov - the face of a company called "Caucasus Emirate - we have not been finished off yet".

      But his corpse will do more good
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 23 January 2014 09: 46
        +4
        In Hardingush, an article on this subject Pts. Funny:
        When the previous "Amir of Ingushetia" was destroyed, we returned to the base and someone asked the opera who was traveling with us who would be the next emir. He answered evasively, like, we'll see.
        - Why look there - Arturchik will be.
        - Gatazhev? - neighing operas - Are you kidding me? He will never be.
        - Why not?
        “Because it is doubly dangerous.” He has a special gang and he will never become an amir.
        “Why is he doubly dangerous?”
        - Likes to come from the rear.
        - So what?
        - She loves to go to her from the rear.
        Oper was wrong. Bad inclinations are not a reason to oppress the poor man in his career. Wahhabis are more liberal than evil infidels. But to appoint emir is half the battle. What is the use of an Amir who has no "authority"? I understand that Gatagazhev is not a pity, like, even if he stays, they will neutralize him anyway, and we’ll pick up a new one for now. But even I am somehow offended by such disrespect for the republic. I am more and more convinced that Doku Umarov really lost his mind. And now Gatagazhev runs around and complains to him - they do not obey me. This is the Caucasus - here you cannot behave like that, and then whine that they do not take it seriously.
        http://hardingush.livejournal.com/134103.html
      2. Besoffner
        Besoffner 23 January 2014 14: 35
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        Quote: sledgehammer102
        Quote: Prapor-527
        Die dog ...


        Alive or dead, the difference is small. Since this is just a face. but not the organizer. Yandarbiev was dangerous, they removed him, and the same Zakayev or Umarov - the face of a company called "Caucasus Emirate - we have not been finished off yet".

        But his corpse will do more good


        Doku Umarov is a rare long-liver from the old guard. Perhaps the last remained of her.
        And so, the average "life time" of the leaders of the bandit underground in the Caucasus is six months, a year.
        Guys in the Ingush and Chechen FSB departments work great
        1. alone
          alone 23 January 2014 21: 20
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          Of the old-timers, Vadalov and Gaziev, who were also leaders of medium-sized detachments, are still alive. Of the large, only Umarov.
    2. Canep
      Canep 23 January 2014 09: 40
      +2
      I remember Kadyrov promised to personally kill Umarov by 2014, and now he wants it to be valid, while there is no corpse and no dead person. And the recording of conversations can be either misinformation, or Umarov could be elected the supreme emir of the entire northern Caucasus, and his post of emir of Chechnya has been vacated, and requires filling a vacancy.
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 23 January 2014 10: 04
      +4
      Do not insult the animal - UMAROV is rather an extinct branch of Neanderthals - how it fell off the branch and is still trying to teach us its monkey habits.
      1. pawel57
        pawel57 23 January 2014 11: 34
        -2
        I think Umarov is alive and he was given a lot of money so that he would not disrupt Sochi. But the underground is probably a tree with many branches, and there are branches about which Umarov knows little and is not under his control. Young growth has grown and now he is on horseback.
  2. Apollo
    Apollo 23 January 2014 08: 51
    +10
    quote-By and large, whether Umarov is alive or dead - it is not important anymore. The current situation is such that if someone has plans to disrupt the Sochi Olympics or to undermine other Russian regions in order to divide people, push individual groups of their foreheads, toh he will do everything to use the services of others “Umarovs” (“Basaevs”, “Baraevs”, further, as they say, according to the list). Umarov, even assuming that such an “image” until recently has not been, let’s say, collective, - typical cog in a big car of global terror.

    This is the one answerI was looking for the question entitled in the article. There is nothing to add. Plus.
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 23 January 2014 09: 06
    +1
    Declare dead, and the whole thing is short. The main thing is that now it is different - to intentionally threaten all potential "successors" - candidates for the bandit post of the emir.
  4. artifox
    artifox 23 January 2014 09: 17
    0
    By and large, whether Umarov is alive or dead is not important anymore.

    That's exactly what doesn’t matter. What is the difference - is it Umarov, Basayev or who else? The bad thing is that their cause continues to live and be financed by ...

    This is the same as Bin Laden. Well, they killed him - what has changed? Are there fewer terrorists?
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 23 January 2014 16: 16
      +2
      Quote: artifox
      The bad thing is that their cause continues to live and be financed by ...

      Exactly, you need to wet the Rothschilds with the Rockefellers ... smile
  5. demel2
    demel2 23 January 2014 09: 23
    +2
    The imposition of another verdict in absentia is not even ridiculous. The liquidation of Umarov could raise the prestige of law enforcement and special services. Yes, and take revenge on this dog for all his affairs. So that it would be disgraceful for others. Israel has been persecuting terrorists for 20 years. on our land, it makes no difference to us simply not ethical. We must trap and destroy the cogs and those who are with grease fittings and not pass the verdict in absentia by signing in this way our own incompetence. IMHO.
  6. Name
    Name 23 January 2014 09: 32
    +4
    Until they saw a corpse, consider it alive. And it doesn’t matter what Kadyrov claims.
  7. Lapotnik
    Lapotnik 23 January 2014 09: 49
    +1
    New Osama Bin Laden. Rather dead than alive, but on his behalf it is very beneficial to frighten people. Authentic terrorists will not declare jihad themselves - this is not accepted in their midst.
    1. alone
      alone 23 January 2014 21: 23
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      Quote: Lapotnik
      New Osama Bin Laden. Rather dead than alive, but on his behalf it is very beneficial to frighten people.


      On Wednesday, a new absentee charge was brought against Doku Umarov, the leader of the terrorist gang underground.


      If Umarov is dead, then why this masquerade? Do you think that the extortion of a charge against a terrorist who seems to be dead speaks of high professionalism?
  8. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 23 January 2014 09: 49
    +2
    Yes, this Urukhai for a long time already does not solve anything and is not of itself, there are real bandits who are hammering our security forces in the Caucasus, those who explode and shoot, now they are dangerous and this moron is a dummy.
  9. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 23 January 2014 10: 00
    +2
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    Yes, this Urukhai for a long time already does not solve anything and is not of itself, there are real bandits who are hammering our security forces in the Caucasus, those who explode and shoot, now they are dangerous and this moron is a dummy.
    Let him die anyway for what he did ...
  10. Nayhas
    Nayhas 23 January 2014 12: 18
    0
    If Umarov is dead, then by no means at the hands of the Kadyrovites or special services. Most likely, the militants themselves got to him, because the fact that he is an FSB provocateur has been known for a long time, even when the Caucasus Center was in the public domain there were repeatedly warnings about it. Or maybe they shut him up to hell in connection with the Olympics, and then they get him out, shake off the dust and put him in front of the camera ...
  11. Black
    Black 23 January 2014 12: 42
    +1
    Those who inflate this "alive or not alive" topic are trying to sniff into the head of the average man that our Caucasian terrorism is the work of odious individuals ... Which, as we understand, is not at all true.
    Because whether alive, dead there is no difference.
  12. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 23 January 2014 13: 34
    +1
    And yet I think - for a bullet, a Makarov pistol, there will be a place in this head ...
  13. Abai
    Abai 23 January 2014 13: 53
    +4
    The most dangerous emir for the Russian Federation is the emir of Saudi Arabia
    1. alone
      alone 23 January 2014 21: 24
      0
      Quote: Abai
      The most dangerous emir for the Russian Federation is the emir of Saudi Arabia


      In Saudi Arabia, the king rules, not the Emir))
  14. AVV
    AVV 23 January 2014 14: 46
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    Declare dead, and the whole thing is short. The main thing is that now it is different - to intentionally threaten all potential "successors" - candidates for the bandit post of the emir.
    From the scum the land of Russia needs to be cleaned !!!
  15. Luga
    Luga 23 January 2014 15: 56
    +1
    Yes, this is indeed the last representative of the old guard of Dudaev. There are still somewhere Udugov, and so, in my opinion, the rest have already been killed. good
    He (Umarov) would not be killed, but caught. That would be the success of the special services! With what pleasure I would look at his face when he was escorted in handcuffs to an isolation ward ... And then a quick and righteous trial, a heart attack, a funeral in a cattle burial ground ... Here's a nonsense ... repeat
    1. Besoffner
      Besoffner 23 January 2014 16: 11
      0
      Quote: Luga
      Yes, this is indeed the last representative of the old guard of Dudaev. There are still somewhere Udugov, and so, in my opinion, the rest have already been killed. good
      He (Umarov) would not be killed, but caught. That would be the success of the special services! With what pleasure I would look at his face when he was escorted in handcuffs to an isolation ward ... And then a quick and righteous trial, a heart attack, a funeral in a cattle burial ground ... Here's a nonsense ... repeat


      They don't give up. And there is no chance of survival. Even if he lives to the court, then he will still die. Salman Raduev garantirue. These leaders of the gang underground, especially from the old guard, are often very strong people - from a series of "nails to make of these people." This is not a laudatory ode to the militants, but a sober assessment of the strength and danger of our enemy.
  16. Galinanp
    Galinanp 23 January 2014 17: 30
    0
    Doku Umarov is another project of the West, from the same serial stream as Bin-Laden.
  17. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 23 January 2014 17: 45
    +1
    Quote: Besoffner
    These leaders of the bandit underground, especially from the old guard, are often very strong people - from a series of "nails to make of these people." This is not a laudatory ode to the militants, but a sober assessment of the strength and danger of our enemy.

    This is not a sober assessment of the strength of the enemy, but a repetition of the mantras of the fifth column about the "strength" of terrorists. For comparison, I will give numbers. With the beginning of the second campaign from September 1999 to April 2000, our troops in Chechnya lost 2 people killed. At the same time, the militants were killed from 500 to 40 according to various estimates. Think about who is stronger.
    1. Besoffner
      Besoffner 23 January 2014 18: 04
      -1
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      For comparison, I give the numbers.


      What's the point in numbers? If the Russian army has an overwhelming technical, numerical and organizational advantage, naturally, the enemy's losses will be greater. First of all, I'm not talking about who is stronger, a regular army with special forces or gangs of militants, but about the strength of the spirit of a particular person. I emphasized that it is the representatives of the old Dudayev guard who are strong people, both in body and spirit. Many rank and file militants and commanders, in principle, too. This is not a repetition of "swamp mantras", but a personal impression. Firstly, they are rarely captured alive - they simply do not surrender. Secondly, even captured militants - you will cut him alive, I *** (testicles, in the sense) will crush him into trash, and he will shout "Allah Akbar" in your face, he will die, but he will not give anyone away for cooperation will not work.
      I forgot the name of one leader - they told on TV. He crossed the border - went to Georgia and stumbled upon a group of soldiers who were in an autocratic wolf. A shootout ensued, he killed everyone, but a bone in his hand above his elbow interrupted him with a shot. He cut off the remnants of his hand, tightened the tourniquet, but he was unlucky anyway - after several hundred meters he died of blood loss. Here are similar episodes and paint the big picture. I’m not saying that everyone is like that, but there are enough strong people among the bandit underground.
      For example, I will give you the siege of the Brest Fortress, which is presented with the fortress of the spirit of the Soviet soldier. They say that during the week of fighting the Germans suffered 5% of the total losses of the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front. But usually they don’t say absolute numbers. The losses of the Germans there amounted to about 200-300 killed and 700-1000 wounded. The losses of the Soviet troops in the Fortress - 9000 killed and captured (I don’t remember the exact numbers), and these are those who were found, and how many killed were under the rubble - is unknown. The loss ratio corresponds exactly to the loss ratio in your statistics. But even it would never occur to anyone to belittle the feat and doubt the fighting spirit of our soldiers.
  18. alert_timka
    alert_timka 23 January 2014 18: 46
    0
    Quote: Sergey Medvedev
    Quote: Besoffner
    These leaders of the bandit underground, especially from the old guard, are often very strong people - from a series of "nails to make of these people." This is not a laudatory ode to the militants, but a sober assessment of the strength and danger of our enemy.

    This is not a sober assessment of the strength of the enemy, but a repetition of the mantras of the fifth column about the "strength" of terrorists. For comparison, I will give numbers. With the beginning of the second campaign from September 1999 to April 2000, our troops in Chechnya lost 2 people killed. At the same time, the militants were killed from 500 to 40 according to various estimates. Think about who is stronger.

    Yeshkin cat, how many Chechens are there in Chechnya? If 8 were killed in 80 months, then I can imagine in 000 years how many were killed.
    1. Besoffner
      Besoffner 24 January 2014 14: 09
      0
      Quote: alert_timka
      Yeshkin cat, how many Chechens are there in Chechnya? If 8 were killed in 80 months, then I can imagine in 000 years how many were killed.

      Their birth rate is high, and not all who are killed there are Chechens. A large amount of any rabble from around the world
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  20. Leshka
    Leshka 23 January 2014 19: 46
    +1
    nail him somewhere in a ditch and deal with the end
  21. konvalval
    konvalval 24 January 2014 00: 44
    0
    Destroying the emir is, of course, good, but unfortunately this does not completely solve the problem of terrorism.
  22. KOMA
    KOMA 24 January 2014 15: 25
    0
    Quote: Besoffner
    The losses of the Germans there amounted to the order of 200-300 killed and 700-1000 wounded

    Wehrmacht thorough counted only killed its officers 476 units in the Brest Fortress, the soldier is not read!
    1. Besoffner
      Besoffner 24 January 2014 15: 40
      0
      Quote: KOMA
      Wehrmacht thorough counted only killed its officers 476 units in the Brest Fortress, the soldier is not read!

      From Wikipedia
      The balance of power: on the night of June 22, there were about 9000 people and 300 officer families in the fort. The 45th Infantry Division (about 17 men) was concentrated on the opposite bank of the river. Losses of the Wehrmacht amounted to 000 people. killed and wounded (1121/453), which makes up 668% of the staff of the division (7 percent of the total losses of the Nazi army on the entire Soviet-German front in the first week of the war). The losses of the Red Army amounted to: from 5 to 5000 soldiers were captured, about 6000 were killed.