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Why Russia has sharply increased debts

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Why Russia has sharply increased debtsTo begin with - purely formal data.


“According to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, the external debt of Russia grew by 15% - to 732,046 billion dollars by the end of 2013, the regulator said. At the beginning of last year, external debt amounted to 636,435 billion. At the same time, in the fourth quarter of last year, the figure increased by 2,5%. Over the past year, government debt increased to 63,44 billion dollars (+ 1,2%), central bank debt decreased to 15,844 billion dollars (-8,8%), banks' debts increased to 219,94 billion dollars (+ 3,8%), debts of other sectors economy - up to 437,822 billion dollars (+ 2,5%). ... We add that the total external debt implies private and federal obligations of Russia. "

Without going into details - why is debt growing at such a speed? The answer to this question is related to the specifics of a liberal monetary policy performed by our liberal reformers. Its essence lies in the “ingenious” concept of Gaidar that the economy should be developed through foreign investment. And in order for them to "come", you need only one thing - low inflation. I note that this concept guides all Russian governments from 1992 of the year, with the exception of the short period of Primakov-Maslyukov.

Her problem is that any investor wants to make a profit. If he, for example, is ready to receive 10% on invested funds, and he has invested 100 millions, then take out and put him 10 millions every year. If they are all like this, then this means that the cumulative amount of investment that our economy is ready to “digest” is a tenfold amount of the money that we are ready to give to the investor. In this case, since the investor is a foreign one, you need to give it in a currency.

Of course, all investors have different appetites, for this reason it’s so easy to find out the total amount of investments that our economy can accept (it's not to mention that the situation changes from year to year and the situation needs to be averaged over the years). There are a couple of problems. The first is that many investments in our country do not come at all - because they represent the purchase of shares located outside the country. And if the capitalization of Russian companies is growing, the amounts for which these shares are sold are growing, the amounts to be returned (that is, exported abroad) are growing, and there are no economic benefits. However, if capitalization falls, then the opposite is true.

The second problem is the assessment of the amount of currency to be returned. The fact is that total currency revenue is divided into several parts. Part of it is exported by the state (in the form of the Central Bank and the budget), and then it is returned back in the form of loans that need to be repaid. Part of the leaves the country on previously made loans (the volume of which is growing, as we see from the statistics). Part of it goes to the purchase of imports, that is, it is not returned to investors within the country. So, over the past couple of years, the total volume of foreign exchange earnings fell (well, it certainly did not grow), the export of capital increased, and the volume of imports, too.

Hence the suspicion arises: did the remaining proceeds suffice to satisfy those who made investments earlier, when everything was good in 2000 due to the rise in oil prices? If not, they must withdraw their investment! And what do we see? As soon as it became clear that we are joining the WTO, that is, the volume of imports will increase sharply, and an accelerated outflow of capital began. At the first stage, the liberals from the government and the Central Bank promised to “rectify the situation” tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, clearly not understanding what the economic essence of the process is, today they are silent in a rag. Although we already started having problems with the currency balance ...

So, if the revenue is not enough for the “old” investors, then where will the “new” come from? No one will invest in the economy on such conditions, this is nonsense! And if no one invests in the economy, then it will not grow, but will fall. First, slowly, as now, and then faster and faster. Liberals in the government and the Central Bank see this (although they cannot recognize it) and are trying to accelerate the flow of foreign investment. They clearly do not understand the reason for the acceleration of capital outflows, and they proceed from their old “mantra” that high inflation is to blame. And they begin to reduce it. What they can do only due to the contraction of the money supply.

But this means that problems with cash payments begin in the country. That this thing is extremely dangerous from an economic point of view, as I tried to explain to the liberals back in the distant 1996 year. Neither then, nor now, for ideological reasons, they did not want to accept this explanation. Then it was expressed in default, today the problems are largely similar, although so far they have not reached the same scale. But, since enterprises need to sell their products and buy raw materials and components, because banks need to make payments, and there are no rubles (they are fighting inflation!), They take (cheap!) Loans in foreign currency. In the West. And the accelerated growth of lending in the West is simply the flip side of the struggle of liberal monetary authorities with inflation!

I repeat once more - the liberal monetary authorities of Russia are stupidly repeating the idiotic program of Gaidar-Chubais-Dubinin-Kudrin-Aleksashenko, which in three years (2006-2008) led our economy to collapse and default. Yes, due to the fact that oil prices are higher than then, this program goes slower, but the essence of it does not change and the result (if they manage to complete it) will be the same. Therefore, it is not necessary to ask why debts are growing. It is enough just to see what was in the middle of the 90's. The understanding of our liberals has not changed a bit since then.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 23 January 2014 11: 16
    +31
    Banks take cheap loans in the West, and they offer us expensive ones, so they earn their bread and butter and even with black caviar !!!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 14: 32
      +61
      And the money of the stabilization fund is in US government bonds at minus interest. am With this money, investment funds must be created, and through them to buy real goods - combines, machine tools, and other means of production. And sell to our manufacturers on lease. For example - I need a machine, I don’t have money, it’s expensive on credit. I submit an application to the fund, they are considering it, and equipment is being bought for me in the same USA or Germany. Plus the cost of delivery, of course, and a small percentage on profit, and on the content of the fund itself. The machine remains the property of the state until full payment. Everything is won - de facto money is stored in American currency, i.e. where now, funds bring profit to the state, well, jobs in the fund itself, in the country it is several thousand. And I have in the presence of a means of production, respectively, taxes on my profits, the state will receive more. A rise in production would be inevitable. The problem is solved, it would be a desire. hi
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 23 January 2014 16: 16
        +13
        Your words would be ..
        With this money you need to create investment funds

        Alas,
        Banks take cheap loans in the West, and they offer us expensive ones, so they earn their bread and butter and even with black caviar !!!
        and these loans are taken just under "this money" (after all, they are not given under "honest bourgeois" laughing) at the same time, all the gold reserves of Russia are already less than this total debt, but they will have to be repaid, otherwise someone
        bread and butter and even with black caviar !!!
        they will take away, moreover, personal deposits with movable and immovable property all over the globe, therefore, unfortunately, no investment in our economy can be expected.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 16: 21
          +9
          Quote: zart_arn
          Unfortunately, no investment in our economy can be expected.

          I agree. Just tried to explain how you can use the stabilization fund, without removing it from the dollar zone. hi
          1. My address
            My address 23 January 2014 16: 45
            +23
            And there are also very reasonable suspicions that the large and medium sized business takes abroad the money that it has stolen and taken out. Free movement of capital! And then this business yells about taking care of the workers and requires the help of the state to pay debts to creditors, i.e. in front of him.

            Sorry, I repeat. A long time ago I read about the prohibition of free, FREE !, withdrawal of capital from Norway. The explanation is simple - the country is northern, if you allow uncontrolled withdrawal to the places where the cost is lower and it is easier to live, then Norway can be closed, you can only leave the service on oil and gas wells. Norway regulates and controls this.
            1. 120352
              120352 24 January 2014 00: 08
              +4
              And with us it will be so soon: the service of the wells and the service of the service, and the rest will be exterminated with the help of GMOs and some other biochemistry. As Margaret Thatcher said, 50 million people are enough for Russia. But, I'm afraid, with such a "standard of living", there won't be even 30 soon. The fat ones will scatter abroad, and the rest will lie in their native land.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 24 January 2014 00: 10
              +3
              Quote: My address
              Sorry, I repeat. A long time ago I read about the prohibition of free, FREE !, withdrawal of capital from Norway. The explanation is simple - the country is northern, if you allow uncontrolled withdrawal to the places where the cost is lower and it is easier to live, then Norway can be closed, you can only leave the service on oil and gas wells. Norway regulates and controls this.

              Andrey Petrovich Parshev
              "Why is Russia not America."
            3. vyatom
              vyatom 24 January 2014 13: 45
              0
              Quote: My address
              Sorry, I repeat. A long time ago I read about the prohibition of free, FREE !, withdrawal of capital from Norway. The explanation is simple - the country is northern, if you allow uncontrolled withdrawal to the places where the cost is lower and it is easier to live, then Norway can be closed, you can only leave the service on oil and gas wells. Norway regulates and controls this.

              In Norway, everything has been done wisely for ordinary people. I have been there very much at work and with all patriotism I cannot but admire these northern guys.
              Why it doesn’t work out like this, I think everyone has been clear for a long time.
              1. 31231
                31231 24 January 2014 14: 30
                0
                In Norway, everything has been done wisely for ordinary people.

                Advantages: the largest oil and gas producer in Northern Europe. Hydropower covers most of the energy needs, which makes it possible to export most of the oil. Oil funds serve for the development of future generations. Mineral reserves. Big merchant fleet. Low inflation (3%) and unemployment (3%) compared to the rest of Europe.

                Weaknesses: very high dependence on oil. Small domestic market, peripheral location. Too few highly qualified staff. Harsh climate limits agricultural development, high taxes and very expensive labor force also hamper development /

                The population of Norway is 5 lamas. Production: oil - 1,7 million barrels; gas - 106 billion m3.
                The population of Russia is 143 lyam. Production: oil - 10,27 million barrels; gas - 677 billion m3.
                I hope we can count and determine how much oil and gas is extracted per person in Norway and how much we have?
                1. vyatom
                  vyatom 24 January 2014 15: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: 31231
                  The population of Norway is 5 lamas. Production: oil - 1,7 million barrels; gas - 106 billion m3.
                  The population of Russia is 143 lyam. Production: oil - 10,27 million barrels; gas - 677 billion m3.
                  I hope we can count and determine how much oil and gas is extracted per person in Norway and how much we have?

                  Let's not forget about the ban on the export of money from Norway. Well, about funds for future generations. What about us?
                  Well, the Russian Federation is not only selling oil and gas.
          2. zart_arn
            zart_arn 23 January 2014 17: 46
            +5
            If you and I were in power, we would have done so, maybe we will try? So after all they will not let me, de democracy ... request (not to be confused with DEMOCRACY)
          3. atalef
            atalef 23 January 2014 20: 39
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Just tried to explain how you can use the stabilization fund without removing it from the dollar zone.

            Hi Igoryanich. I think good. What is the stab. fund. At least maybe something will remain for posterity. and if you open it now, they will plunder it.
            You will not see any cheap loans - there will be no loans - not money.
            You heard that GDP about Sochi said --- there were some minor facts of corruption. Well, much further.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 20: 49
              +8
              Quote: atalef
              At least maybe something will remain for posterity

              Hi Sasha. hi If stored in US debt receipts, the descendants of us will be damned. money should work, not lie dead weight. And we have a lot to invest in, and not only in Sochi. laughing I won’t calm down at VAZ, why did I need to sell a profitable plant? And with the privatization of Russian Railways some misunderstandings. Again, Dima, probably, is a balamutite, and Vova is neither sleep nor spirit. laughing
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 January 2014 20: 58
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Hi Sasha. If stored in US debt receipts, the descendants of us will be damned. money should work, not lie dead weight

                This is all right. BUT - they work in American papers and give a profit (up to 10%) per annum in relation to the ruble, they will not disappear - and in the Russian Federation they simply have nowhere to invest today. Nobody wants to be engaged in production - they want to spin once, then to bury their whole lives in the Bahamas

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I won’t calm down at VAZ, why did I need to sell a profitable plant?

                I say - nobody needs production in the Russian Federation - either a well or a shopping center

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And with the privatization of Russian Railways some misunderstandings.

                what are the misunderstandings here - Russian Railways are real money and many, many, many.


                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Again, Dima, probably, is a balamutite, and Vova is neither sleep nor spirit.

                100% voted. Trades at night - while the owner is sleeping. wassat
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 21: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  BUT - they work in American papers and give a profit (up to 10%)

                  Sanya, climbed sites - in the region of 3%.
                  Quote: atalef
                  what are the misunderstandings here - Russian Railways are real money and many, many, many.

                  But some people don’t understand.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Trades at night

                  Is he ATALEF too? wassat
                2. Nick
                  Nick 23 January 2014 21: 54
                  +1
                  Have you tried to get an investment loan, even under an existing company? Alas, there will be no affordable loans, they will not be engaged in production ...
                  1. 31231
                    31231 23 January 2014 23: 30
                    +1
                    Have you tried to get an investment loan, even under an existing company? Alas, there will be no affordable loans, they will not be engaged in production ...

                    Seriously? We regularly receive leasing from banks. It would be something to lay under this leasing and banks give it with pleasure. Not Sberbank and VTB, but they find up to 200 Lyam.
                    1. Nick
                      Nick 24 January 2014 22: 29
                      0
                      Quote: 31231
                      Seriously? We regularly receive leasing from banks. It would be something to lay under this leasing and banks give it with pleasure. Not Sberbank and VTB, but they find up to 200 Lyam.

                      Seriously? Share a secret. You can in PM. Thanks in advance.
                3. 31231
                  31231 23 January 2014 23: 28
                  0
                  BUT - they work in American papers and give a profit (up to 10%) per annum in relation to the ruble, they will not disappear - and in the Russian Federation they simply have nowhere to invest today. Nobody wants to be engaged in production - they want to spin once, then to bury their whole lives in the Bahamas

                  I say - nobody needs production in the Russian Federation - either a well or a shopping center

                  You still know something for Russia?
                  As far as I remember you are a Jew, originally from Ukraine. Am I mistaken?
                4. kotvov
                  kotvov 24 January 2014 11: 33
                  +1
                  so 10% per annum, Putin probably told you? there is the largest 3%, while investing striped economy.
                5. bif
                  bif 24 January 2014 11: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  BUT - they work in American papers and give a profit (up to 10%) per annum in relation to the ruble, they will not disappear

                  1. Where does 10% come from? What government bonds? The most liquid 30 years, but 2,75% in dollars, and now subtract dollar inflation and add ruble inflation.
                  2. United States government bonds are the most liquid and universal, so they store large amounts of money, protecting against depreciation, pending investment in some company or real estate ... but no more.
                  3. The biggest disadvantage of these bonds is in the details - in the conditions of their purchase, there is a clarification "in case of bankruptcy of the United States, the state does not pay the cost of bonds" ... in short, waste paper.
            2. alone
              alone 23 January 2014 22: 53
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              You heard that GDP about Sochi said --- there were some small facts of corruption


              Quite small, the foreman sold two bags of cement, and the reptile carpenter appropriated 2 kg of nails. laughing

              But Bilalov did not steal anything. He shared honestly with everyone.
          4. 120352
            120352 24 January 2014 00: 03
            +1
            If there was an economy, there could be investments.
        2. Fin
          Fin 23 January 2014 18: 21
          +2
          Quote: zart_arn
          therefore, to our great regret, no investment in our economy can be expected.

          There is enough money in the country for investments. We need a government of statesmen and a plan for the development of industry developed by competent people (not HSE).
          These articles of various economists are already tired. They are tearing separate problems out of the general economic situation in the country, and let's be smart how to overcome it. There is only one problem - incompetence, unwillingness to work (the market will regulate everything), imitation of violent activity, lobbyism of interests to the detriment of the state and sabotage.
          Under the current government, there is no need to wait for changes, everyone is tied up with theft, well, only if there are any shocks (God forbid). This year, at the expense of the military-industrial complex, there will be a slight increase, and Dimon, as a "skillful business executive", will continue to steer.
      2. yehat
        yehat 23 January 2014 16: 17
        +5
        yes to hell with them, with benefits.
        Money can be a source of capital for production, which is credited with great credence in our country.
        Not enough investment? So build capacity, pursue policies that encourage the opening of production and that’s it.
        But this will not work, because between swollen monopolies there is too little room for mobile business - it is simply crushed from different angles. Therefore, it is necessary to create an effective tool for the implementation of constitutional rights for small businesses. Otherwise it will not work. however, this is death for those in power and they will fight against it worse than Islamic fanatics.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 16: 28
          +4
          Quote: yehat
          yes to hell with them, with benefits.
          Money can be a source of capital for production,

          If you begin to enter anything unsecured money into the country, this will cause a rise in prices. We are exporting real resources, real goods, and we must import them. Those. import real means of production, not capital for their purchase.
          Therefore, you need to create an effective tool for the implementation of constitutional rights for small businesses
          For example, the abolition of income tax for farmers.hi
          1. yehat
            yehat 23 January 2014 17: 16
            +2
            cancellation of income for farmers is possible only as a temporary solution that stimulates. Otherwise it will look like discrimination against non-farmers. After all, a farmer is not much different from a production worker as a tax agent. Another thing is that agriculture should receive strategic preferences, but not all agriculture, and not agriculture "in general", but only that which produces natural products and cares about the environment. fertile lands are not destroyed, ponds are not polluted, wind turbines are used instead of gasoline generators, etc.
            But what about us? Need to grow crops as efficiently as possible? Well, of course, you can’t do without a huge pile of nitrate fertilizers, and GMOs are also necessary for the sake of the effect. And there is more dust so that no one can eat - neither pests, nor schoolchildren, nor end consumers.

            And by an effective instrument for protecting rights, I mean the creation of a structure similar to the "extermination committee" in Germany at the end of World War II,
            which will voluntarily and initiatively take the decision of all the critical issues,
            without involving in the protracted and exhausting proceedings of the end manufacturers.
            Moreover, it is not only about production, but also primary sales.
            As far as I understand, the lion's share of problems in the village is right here right now.
            And the sales experience, which has long been debugged, is where to find. This is the American experience of regional rural banks and exchanges, and Dutch, and Italian ... but a lot of things have already been worked out!
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 17: 35
              +2
              Quote: yehat
              After all, the farmer from the producer is not much different as a tax agent.
              Except as a tax agent.
              Quote: yehat
              Another thing is that agriculture should receive strategic preferences, but not all agriculture, and not agriculture "in general", but only that which produces natural products and cares about the environment. fertile lands are not destroyed, ponds are not polluted, wind turbines are used instead of gasoline generators, etc.

              Absolutely agree with you. good
            2. zart_arn
              zart_arn 23 January 2014 18: 08
              +1
              abolition of income for farmers is only possible as a temporary solution
              That's when every second huckster will invest in agricultural production, then you can think about taxes. But such an event is unlikely to happen.
              P / S In the EU, ALL farmers receive subsidies both from the European Union and from their governments, and this with many cries of liberalism and democracy.
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 24 January 2014 13: 05
                0
                Here I am about the same. Producers need real money - without any restrictions. The growth of agricultural production will begin only when any woman Klava will receive not lousy loans at an unimaginable interest and not left certificates - but cash. And this should not be a short-term effect. It should be different - cash today, cash tomorrow, cash always.
            3. Serg65
              Serg65 24 January 2014 13: 37
              +3
              Russia is a great country, every second economist here, or at least the president. To sell agricultural products (and not only), you need a competitive price, a competitive price comes from low cost, the cost depends on the volume of production and production losses. So it turns out that the potato should be acceptable, it needs to be grown a lot and without losses, and you can’t do without chemistry here. at least at the level of pest control. Under the Union with the locusts and the Calarad beetle, the pioneers fought, now there is no one to fight.
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          3. atalef
            atalef 23 January 2014 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            If you begin to enter anything unsecured money into the country, this will cause a rise in prices.

            Strange, why in America prices are not rising? Dollars, it seems, are not provided with anything - the Newans-Igoryanich.

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            We are exporting real resources, real goods, and we must import them.

            Igoryanich - (+)

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            For example, the abolition of income tax for farmers.

            Igor, you have a 13% income tax - this is laughter. The smallest in the world (I think) or one of the smallest. I pay 37% income + 5% honey insurance + 5% national insurance service. + 2.5% -5% for many retirements (I don’t pay - a state employee) --- Believe me, you have a problem with income.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 20: 56
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Dollars, it seems, are not provided with anything - the Newans-Igoryanich.

              Provided with the emission thereof. The whole planet haws this green. As the natives steamed beads, so all these pieces of paper are steamed.
              I pay 37% income
              In addition to 13%, the unified social tax is 34%, and it is foolish to hope that the employer does not take it into account when determining the size of the salary.
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 January 2014 21: 03
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Provided with the emission thereof. The whole planet haws this green. As the natives steamed beads, so all these pieces of paper are steamed.

                Igoryanich. what did you write before


                Quote: Ingvar 72
                real goods and must be imported.

                Well, apparently for some bucks - a real blessing - they import it. Understand - dollars are the world currency and only due to that. that hundreds of billions are stored even in banks - and in capsules and under mattresses --- gives the US a huge advantage - they printed and sold money, but they left the circulation without affecting the money supply. --can print again --- the dream of any central bank in the world.
                The main thing is to make you believe laughing
            2. vyatom
              vyatom 24 January 2014 13: 49
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Igor, you have a 13% income tax - this is laughter. The smallest in the world (I think) or one of the smallest. I pay 37% income + 5% honey insurance + 5% national insurance service. + 2.5% -5% for many retirements (I don’t pay - a state employee) --- Believe me, you have a problem with income.

              You have no minerals, only desert. And some Arabs around. Therefore, pay your taxes and do not compare.
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      4. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 16: 29
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And the money of the stabilization fund is in US government bonds at minus interest


        And yes, about minus percent interest you will not throw the link?
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        With this money, investment funds must be created, and through them to buy real goods - combines, machine tools, and other means of production.

        This happens for other money, and the stabilization fund for that and the stabilization fund to help out the economy during the crisis.



        As for the article itself, Khazin makes the problem out of nothing. Since it is enough to look at the debts of the United States, the debts of the Russian Federation and our gold reserves.


        Everyone noticed that the very furry animal was in the Russian Federation just in the 1999 year? I'm talking about the difference between gold reserves and public debt?

        Now, I think you see why it is difficult to seriously listen to this respected analyst. Because to panic due to the fact that the debt of government has increased from 2 to 3 percent of GDP is strange to say the least. Moreover, Khazin says:
        Without going into details - why is debt growing at such a rate? The answer to this question is related to the specifics of liberal monetary policy in the execution of our liberal reformers.


        So after all, during Gaidar, public debt grew enormously in 2000, our state debt amounted to 157 billion dollars, 60% of GDP. Gold and foreign exchange reserves splashed around zero, at around 12 billion.
        By the end of 2013, government debt would seem to have grown to 207 billion dollars - however, the nominal GDP has grown 8 times over this period, so these 207 billions already accounted for negligible 10% of GDP. Gold and foreign exchange reserves reached 499 billion dollars - that is, they more than doubled their government debt.

        Somehow, the statements of Khazin do not correspond with the tendency of the last 13 years ...
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 23 January 2014 17: 10
          +1
          Khazin is a muddy character. sledgehammer102 made the right post
          1. 31231
            31231 23 January 2014 20: 56
            -1
            Another amn throwing on the fan from Khazin.
            Favorite weapon of the liberals, do not talk about the main thing and thoroughly. And Khazin likewise
            add that the total external debt implies private and federal obligations of Russia

            The national debt of Russia is only 62,7 billion bucks. For example: 1997 - 123 billion, 2005 - 114 billion.

            But Hazin uses the technique of Yehu Matzah.
            Bankers and corporations take loans abroad for their property and assets from foreign banks. Why Khazin drags their debts to the state is not clear. Or vice versa it’s clear: you need to dig fried. People are not far away, they are eating. The main thing is to write an article against the state.
            Only Khazin alone will not understand that these loans are taken by a business for the development of something and for investments, because a foreign bank will not give money just like that. He needs an absolute business case.

            The article is a fat minus. Throwing amn on the fan.
            Well, under the article, clapping is all from the same unclouded.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 January 2014 21: 11
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              The national debt of Russia is only 62,7 billion bucks. For example: 1997 - 123 billion, 2005 - 114 billion.

              and the debts of state corporations are the debts of Russia or Uncle Vasya from Kryzhopol?
              Do not tell tales.
              According to preliminary data from the Central Bank, Russia's foreign debt in 2012 grew by 83,4 billion dollars to 623,963 billion dollars. This was reported in the materials of the regulator.

              As of January 1, 2012, the debt amounted to $ 545,387 billion. Last year, Russia entered the external borrowing market for the first time in ten years, placing $ 2011 billion worth of bonds in March. In 50, the country's external debt increased by $ XNUMX billion.

              This is the data of the Central Bank of Russia - then tell him something tales
              http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1104950/
              1. 31231
                31231 24 January 2014 07: 25
                0
                and the debts of state corporations are the debts of Russia or Uncle Vasya from Kryzhopol?
                Do not tell tales.

                Once again, for the uncomplicated, any private person (whether it is the owner of the state or private trader) receives a loan with the existing security (whether it be securities, property or other assets). And it risks these assets, and not state funds.
                So that our conversations have a basis: tell me, what is the State Corporation for you? FSUE or JSC with a controlling stake in the state?
                Also give an example of a state corporation taking loans of more than 5 billion dollars in Western banks. Is there infa?
                I’ll just tell you, credit lines are opened for state corporations in VTB and Sberbank. They do not have to beg from the West. But large private holdings often have to go to Western banks.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 January 2014 08: 59
                  +1
                  Also give an example of a state corporation taking loans of more than 5 billion dollars in Western banks. Is there infa?
                  I’ll just tell you, credit lines are opened for state corporations in VTB and Sberbank. They do not have to beg from the West. But large private holdings often have to go to Western banks.

                  Why 5 billion? Sacred shelter this figure, but nonetheless
                  The growing volume of external borrowings of such companies as Gazprom, Rosneft, Russian Railways and RAO UES has already exceeded $ 300 billion

                  by the way, interesting info on countries' debts to GDP - the states, by the way, are in a very bad position compared to Europe


                  http://pavel-shipilin.livejournal.com/80244.html
                  1. 31231
                    31231 24 January 2014 11: 49
                    0
                    Let's start with Gazprom: About 23 billion are planned to be taken to the South Stream. Does Russia Need South Stream?
                    Rosneft borrowed 35 billion to buy TNCs from BP. Need Rosneft TNK?
                    At one time, Rosneft took several lards to buy Yuganskneftegaz squeezed from Yukos. Pay off debts.
                    Mechel took about 10 lard from a consortium of foreign banks on the railway to the Elginsky coal deposit. Do we need the world's largest coking coal deposit?

                    In our country, unlike the promised land, the size of the investments is not small.
                    And once again I repeat, these organizations are borrowed for their assets and securities, and not for public funds. Accordingly, companies will give, and not the state.
                    Let me remind you, Gazprom - OJSC, Rosneft - OJSC.
                    Explain how they differ from FSUE?
                2. Basarev
                  Basarev 24 January 2014 13: 14
                  0
                  I wonder who is stopping to take and pay off all this public debt at a time? GDP will not suffer much, since the public debt is now about insignificant 10%. So this will not affect people in any way, but the very realization that we owe nothing to anyone will inspire .
                  And let the Americans continue to owe it until their whole world takes it for debts.
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        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 18: 04
          0
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          And yes, about minus percent interest you will not throw the link?

          Did they grow up? I’ll explain on the fingers, without links. Nominally, of course there is growth, more than 2 percent. But if we take into account the cheapening of the dollar to a number of other indicators, the dollar becomes cheaper by about 6% per year, respectively, as a result, minus.
          And why did I post the last schedule, comparing the US and Russian public debt is generally not correct, they have a printing press, which means that their debts are nothing more than a fiction.
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          Gold and foreign exchange reserves reached $ 499 billion

          They are, as it were, but they are not, they are in the same US assets. laughing But I do not sing praises to Khazin, if that.
          P.S. By the way, despite the fact that Russian inflation is at its lowest level since the beginning of the 90s, at the end of August 2013 it was 11,25 times higher than European average, gaining 4,5% over eight months against 0,4% in average for EU countries. Optimist You are ours. hi
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 18: 13
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Did they grow up? I’ll explain on the fingers. Nominally, of course there is growth, 2 with an extra percent. But if we take into account the cheapening of the dollar to a number of other indicators, then the dollar becomes cheaper by about 6% per year, respectively, as a result of minus.


            From this moment on, where do such calculations come from? Well, something like:
            1) There were so many
            2) spent so much
            3) there are so many
            4) taking into account inflation, it turned out so much

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            They are, as it were, but they are not, they are in the same US assets.

            how is it that the gold and foreign currency reserves in the Russian Federation are 500 billion dollars, and the Russian Federation is not even among the four leaders holding US bonds? Overlay.
            1. yehat
              yehat 23 January 2014 18: 17
              0
              just believe that the dollar is falling quite actively)))
              Well, do not get into these jungle far!
              give discount index calculations ...
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            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 18: 44
              +1
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              From this moment on, where do such calculations come from?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Nominally, of course there is growth, more than 2 percent. But if we take into account the cheapening of the dollar to a number of other indicators, then the dollar becomes cheaper by about 6% per year,
              Do you have a calculator at home? We take 6 - 2,7 = 3,3%. First class level.
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              how is it that the gold and foreign currency reserves in the Russian Federation are 500 billion dollars, and the Russian Federation is not even among the four leaders holding US bonds? Overlay.

              De quibble over the words. About 90% of the stabilization fund is in dollar assets, and the bulk is invested in various US securities, including government bonds. hi
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 18: 51
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                De quibble over the words. About 90% of the stabilization fund is in dollar assets, and the bulk is invested in various US securities, including government bonds.

                And why gold reserves are decrypted as goldforeign exchange reserves ...

                So will there be references to the calculations. Just like that you are operating with specific derivatives of the final digits, I would like to see the initial calculations)
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 19: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  And why gold and foreign exchange reserves are decrypted

                  N. Starikov has been chewing this for a long time. The component of gold there is less than 10%.
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  So will there be references to the calculations

                  Sorry, I don’t use official charts, I’m used to thinking with my own head. If the cost of the dollar is 6% cheaper, and the yield on our deposits is 2,7%, then seven spans in the forehead are not needed to calculate the elementary numbers. The numbers are official by the way.
                  1. sledgehammer102
                    sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 19: 15
                    -1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Sorry, I don’t use official charts, I’m used to thinking with my own head. If the cost of the dollar is 6% cheaper, and the yield on our deposits is 2,7%, then seven spans in the forehead are not needed to calculate the elementary numbers. The numbers are official by the way.


                    Well, lay out the calculations with the original numbers.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 19: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: sledgehammer102
                      Well, lay out the calculations with the original numbers.
                      You type in a search engine - the profitability of T-bills of the USA. Then you look in the same place - the increase in the cost of basic resources, including gold, of course, over the past 10-20 years. There will also be charts, you love them. Next, add up as a percentage of the cost of resources for this period and display the average figure. You can break down the percentage of appreciation by year, it will be more accurate. hi
                      1. sledgehammer102
                        sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 20: 25
                        -2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        You type in a search engine - the profitability of T-bills of the USA. Then you look in the same place - the increase in the cost of basic resources, including gold, of course, over the past 10-20 years. There will also be charts, you love them. Next, add up as a percentage of the cost of resources for this period and display the average figure. You can break down the percentage of appreciation by year, it will be more accurate.


                        That is, the numbers you took from the ceiling))) Since you are sending me to do term paper on economics))))
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 20: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: sledgehammer102
                        That is, the numbers you took from the ceiling)

                        Well, if the growth statistics of the main resources is the ceiling, then the growth statistics of the T-bills of the USA are below the baseboard. laughing
                      3. sledgehammer102
                        sledgehammer102 24 January 2014 04: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Well, if the growth statistics of the main resources is the ceiling, then the growth statistics of the T-bills of the USA are below the baseboard.


                        so you need to specify 6 digits, and you tell me about a spherical horse in a vacuum
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 24 January 2014 13: 22
            0
            Why can not even the Stabilization Fund be made not in securities, but in cash. Rubles. Indeed, we all realize that in fact these securities are never valuable.
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 27 January 2014 14: 37
              0
              Quote: Basarev
              Why can not even the Stabilization Fund be made not in securities, but in cash. Rubles.

              Because the ruble is not exactly money, it is a derivative of the petrodollar. And the main source of the formation of the Stabilization Fund is the sale of oil for dollars (pounds). Further how? Dollars to change to rubles meaning only for thieves in conditions of high inflation. So even Finance Minister Kozyrev explained: "We cannot develop the oil industry without high inflation of the ruble. Selling oil for dollars, we can buy more rubles for these dollars inside the country ...".
              Naturally, this money and the goods bought with it went to the "oilmen", and the people did not have time to grab a piece of the pie with their wage growth. This is how the "pipe economy" was created at the expense of the people. Here, in the subject, there are also words from the song of Slepakov (ComedyKlab) about the shareholders of OAO Gazprom: "Gentlemen, shareholders, this is our common gas, and why do dreams come true only with you"?
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 27 January 2014 15: 04
                0
                I apologize for the mistake - not Kozyrev, but Livshits was like that. In short, two acrobat brothers ...
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      5. Basarev
        Basarev 24 January 2014 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        which means that their debts are nothing more than fiction

        But paying them is utopia
    2. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 23 January 2014 20: 12
      +4
      you have interesting statistics, you'd better from the website of the Ministry of Finance statistics would be uploaded ... official:
      http://www.minfin.ru/ru/reservefund/statistics/balances/2013/index.php?id_4=1871
      3
      there is a lot of information ... and notice in what units of measurement the data is given.

      And then later, and advocate that everything is fine with us!
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 20: 26
        -3
        Quote: Luzhichanin
        And then later, and advocate that everything is fine with us!


        So share what is bad with us there?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 20: 29
        +2
        Quote: Luzhichanin
        And then later, and advocate that everything is fine with us!

        To whom is the promise?
        1. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin 27 January 2014 13: 10
          0
          sledgehammer102
        2. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin 27 January 2014 13: 10
          0
          sledgehammer102
    3. atalef
      atalef 23 January 2014 20: 52
      +4
      Quote: sledgehammer102


      about the first graph - which I see not the first time --- such a wonderful juggler. The chart starts with - 0 - and with 80 billion. Therefore, everything is so beautiful on the chart. but in fact it should look completely different - the difference is only 50% - and not 5-7 times as on the graph.
      Beautiful VVPutskaya visual agitation - everything seems to be right - but those who peer at the numbers
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 24 January 2014 04: 09
        -2
        Quote: atalef
        about the first graph - which I see not the first time --- such a wonderful juggler. The chart starts with - 0 - and with 80 billion. Therefore, everything is so beautiful on the chart. but in fact it should look completely different - the difference is only 50% - and not 5-7 times as on the graph.


        Lay out your schedule, see
    4. Basarev
      Basarev 24 January 2014 13: 09
      0
      During crises, the stabilization fund should not save the economy, but people. Stalin correctly said that man is the most valuable capital.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 24 January 2014 13: 19
        +1
        Quote: Basarev
        During crises, the stabilization fund should not save the economy, but people. Stalin correctly said that man is the most valuable capital.

        Well, ept. In a socialist state, people are saved, and in a capitalist state, capital.
  2. A.YARY
    A.YARY 23 January 2014 17: 11
    -1
    Ingvar 72 quote
    to buy real goods - combines, machine tools, and other means of production. And sell to our manufacturers on lease
    What are you talking about? In whom to invest? According to the "concepts" of the top, investing according to your scheme, the ruble is strengthening. And they spend all their efforts on its "relief",conclusion-nizzyzyayayaya!
    I have already talked about the SOVIET scheme where every penny of folk money was invested in construction and production, but the profit received from the goods went to the needs for which folk money (taxes) are spent today!
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 23 January 2014 17: 28
      -4
      Dear Yury, you cannot compare that type of economy with the current one. In the early 2000s, Volodya decided to nationalize the CENTRAL BANK OF RUSSIA (which prints loot), but the Duma (which at that time was mostly composed of Communists (the EP did not smell there, and this was one of the main reasons for the appearance of the same United Russia) blocked these gestures of the president. ”It didn’t work out on the fly, and Nord Ostom added an answer.

      Just think about it - the Communists - blocked the nationalization of the Central Bank of Russia. (Well, everyone remembers how Yukos in the person of Khodorkovsky bought the deputies in batches)

      Therefore, in fact, now our bank is a branch of the Fed. From here and the interest rate of 8%

      Therefore, all enterprises go offshore. Everything is more complicated than it seems at first glance.

      And you are here about some "concepts of the top." The country lies (like the whole world almost) under the Anglo-Saxons. External management of the economy. What are you talking about...

      Those investments in factories and enterprises that take place in our country are met with stiff resistance in the IMF. In addition to the pressure from the IMF, experts immediately begin to tell us about the fact that there is no dough, that the country is in debt, and so on. "We need a free hand of the market, which will put everything in its place (fucking among the common people)" is another of the favorite techniques of Kudrin and other geniuses of economics. So that...

      We don’t smell of folk money. After the people thought that living under communism is bad
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 23 January 2014 17: 50
        -2
        Quote: A.YARY
        According to the "concepts" of the top, investing according to your scheme, the ruble is strengthening. And they spend all their efforts on its "relief", the conclusion is nizzzzyayaya!


        Comrade Ardent doesn’t chop a damn thing in the economy))) It turns out that the oligarchs make the ruble easier for us)))))
      2. BOB48
        BOB48 23 January 2014 18: 03
        0
        +! totally agree!
      3. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 23 January 2014 22: 55
        +2
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        Just think about it - the Communists - blocked the nationalization of the Central Bank of Russia

        the legend of how the "national leader" fights for the "nationalization" of the country's Central Bank. Up to the dizzying tales that even at the very beginning of his reign, a decade ago, the president, it seems, tried to “nationalize” the Central Bank, but some hostile forces in the Duma did not allow him. True, the attempts of individual nerds to find any traces of this selfless “struggle” in the documents were unsuccessful - there are no traces of such intentions of the president and his team and, especially, resistance to these intentions.
        http://moskprf.ru/index.php/novosti-menyu/1547-natsionalizatsiya-tsb-i-ee-chudes
        noe-zavershenie
        and after this resistance, the Communist Party collects votes for nationalization
        http://ni.kprf.ru/n/1121/
        so what prevents it from nationalizing now, when almost everything is for?
      4. Basarev
        Basarev 24 January 2014 13: 25
        0
        It should be remembered that they lived under socialism, and communism was the goal.
        It’s not the same thing, it’s a big difference.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 27 January 2014 14: 57
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          It should be remembered that they lived under socialism, and communism was the goal.

          Socialism is the first stage of building communism, which, in turn (we do not take into account the insanity of Khrushchev) was the goal of a distant future. Socialism also had to be built and built competently. That is, socialism is also a goal, the movement towards which required constant management. But what should have been remembered for sure is that "socialism is a means of improving the well-being of workers," and not an end in itself (is a house an end or a means of ensuring a comfortable existence?). And this is an unkillable criterion of progress in this matter. And we forgot about it in due time and the process went - first "stagnation", then sucks.
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    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 18: 11
      +4
      Quote: A.YARY
      I already spoke about the SOVIET scheme

      The monetary system of the USSR was closed, and was focused only on the internal component of the economy. hi
  3. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 23 January 2014 17: 56
    +2
    Yeah, we’ll abruptly merge all US GKOs and Bucks from such a fright, and China will merge them all then America and Kirdyk laughing
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 23 January 2014 18: 54
      +4
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Yeah, we’ll abruptly merge all US GKOs and Bucks from such a fright, and China will merge them all then America and Kirdyk laughing

      And the whole world economy to the heap will remain for us only drinks
  4. Andrey57
    Andrey57 23 January 2014 17: 57
    +5
    Ingvar - You are a terrible idealist and dreamer !!! The so-called "Stabilization Fund" was invented not in order to develop the country, but in order to export the country's resources free of charge, without causing inflation among the guys in the West. It has no other functions! Mr. Kudrin was not lying when he said that if this money is invested inside our country, it will cause inflation. wink He just did not say exactly where they would cause inflation, and inflation would be in mattress, which they did not need at all. And to prevent this from happening, the law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the corresponding constitution were written by the mattresses themselves. They were even lazy to translate them into Russian, as a result, a list of organizations with which the Central Bank has the right to conduct transactions in alphabetical order according to the Latin script! The Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and some articles of the constitution directly prohibit the very possibility of using the reserves of the Central Bank for lending to the industrial, and not only, sectors of the Russian economy.
    So the whole set of Gaidars, Chubais, Kudrins and others like them, knowingly work out their bread in the sweat of their faces.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 18: 17
      +2
      Quote: Andrey57
      Ingvar - You are a terrible idealist and dreamer !!!

      The idealist - YES. But not a dreamer, - a dreamer. laughing
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 23 January 2014 18: 29
        +1
        Well, let there be a dreamer, I do not mind laughing
  5. Suhov
    Suhov 23 January 2014 21: 21
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    А money stab fund are in US government bonds at minus interest. With this money you need to create investment funds, and through them to buy real benefits - combines, machine tools, and other means of production. And sell to our manufacturers on lease. For example - I need a machine ...
    ...
    ... The problem is solved, it would be a desire.


    I could be wrong, but it seems to me that everything is not so simple.

    While our "petrodollars" are in the US state. bonds, only an American can buy a machine, you are not.

    If the "petrodollars" overtake from the US state. bonds in the investment fund of Russia, then you can buy a machine, but an American - no.

    In my opinion, all the cheese is boron because of this: who and at whose expense can afford to eat deliciously and sleep sweetly.

    You can’t give Everything to Everyone, because there are a lot of Everyone, and Everything is small. wassat
  6. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 24 January 2014 06: 22
    +4
    yes ... a few years ago, our guarantor liked to dig a STABFUND, he endlessly mentioned it with pride ... and now he pretends that there was no stabilization fund ... the passion turned out awkwardly ...
  7. Horn
    Horn 24 January 2014 06: 39
    +2
    It is not necessary to purchase machine tools with combines with this money, but to make your own machines and combines. We don’t need fish, we need fishing rods and nets ourselves!
  8. Serg65
    Serg65 24 January 2014 13: 06
    +4
    If you do not have money for the machine, then I don’t understand how you are going to conduct business? The machine, this is 1 / 4 problems, plus the raw materials for the machine, and it is the same price as the machine, the point of sale, and the production room itself !!! With such a statutory fund, what kind of production development can we talk about? The article is another opus about the death of Russia, the author purposefully points out speculative investments at the exchange level, but is silent about the volume of investments in production.
  9. vyatom
    vyatom 24 January 2014 13: 41
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The problem is solved, it would be a desire.

    Yes, here the desire is just not particularly observed, unfortunately.
  • Civil
    Civil 23 January 2014 15: 59
    +7
    1. Most of the specialists are "thieves".
    2. But decision-makers are well provided that changing means losing revenue.
    3. If Che, they can always taxi.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 23 January 2014 16: 39
    0
    It used to be.
    1. Civil
      Civil 23 January 2014 16: 55
      +2
      Quote: mirag2
      It used to be.

      under the USSR? Stalin?
      Re-registering everything as buddies, suddenly everyone became honest? You are fooling yourself.
  • ele1285
    ele1285 23 January 2014 17: 16
    +3
    Quote: AVV
    here they earn their bread and butter and even with black caviar !!!

    Damn, like children, the same thing every other day. How much is possible? They made Adiotes of us, or we’ll exterminate or change something. Banks, the stabilization fund, etc. these dogs spend wherever they want. We forgive everyone the debts. Ukraine we give, I am not against Ukraine, what does Africa and Cuba have to do with it? Or we live better in 18 times conquered Belgium?
    Europe at 45 was liberated by our ancestors, the economy and the national economy were raised from ruins, and now it turns out that Syria is more expensive than its own people.
    My grandfather was right when he said that we have no allies, and the army and navy are not allies, we are with you.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 23 January 2014 18: 03
      +3
      Quote: ele1285
      what I tried to explain to the liberals back in 1996.


      Yes, they all understand very well. But they also understand another language. Throw them into the trash of history, along with their liberalism. I think most people will only say thank you. And the faster, the better !!!
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 23 January 2014 18: 44
        +2
        “First of all, I am an economist. Economists like to ask questions, but do not like to answer. Since they don’t know the answers, they know only the answers. What seems right today becomes completely wrong tomorrow. There is a joke about this: economists were invented so that weather forecasters looked good on their background. Of course, there are economists who have predicted the crisis that is happening now around the world. But they most likely did it by accident. Choosing among different forecast options, a small number of experts hit the mark. And they did not guess 80 percent and did not expect that this would happen, ”- A.V. Dvorkovich, adviser on economic issues of the President of the Russian Federation D.A. Medvedev

        “I do not understand this phantasmagoria, when everything is in the country, there are resources, but what is needed is not obtained” - Doctor of Economics, Professor G.Kh. Popov.

        "The economy, however. It looks like a woman. Can you understand it?" - A. Livshits, Doctor of Economics, Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation.

        US President F. D. Roosevelt July 24, 1933: “I do not at all share the opinion of those professional economists who insist that everything should go on as usual and that human intervention is not capable of affecting economic diseases. I know that these professional economists have long been - have been changing their formulations of economic laws for ten years "

        President of the United States in 1945-1953 Gary Truman: “Give me a one-sided economist! All my economists say: “On the one hand ... on the other hand ...” ”.

        Economics in the modern education system is not a science, but a collection of spells of the economic element. Do not link to it.
        1. kaktus
          kaktus 24 January 2014 04: 55
          0
          "If economics were a science, they would first check on mice" (from the 90s, folk)
          wassat
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 27 January 2014 15: 19
          0
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          “First of all, I am an economist. Economists like to ask questions, but do not like to answer. Since they don’t know the answers, they know only the answers. What seems right today becomes completely wrong tomorrow. ... ", - A.V. Dvorkovich, adviser on economic issues of the President of the Russian Federation D.A. Medvedev
          This one is just one of those "economists" who at one time argued that there is no such science as "political economics", but there is simply "economics". So they step on this rake all the time. And here, as in management (politics), there are always options for solutions, but you need to choose one and, if you make a mistake, correct it in time.
          And Livshits, and even more so G. Popov, should not have been cited here at all - they are one of the authors of that "phantasmagoria" and they sculpted an incredible one in order to deflect responsibility from themselves.
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  • Makk
    Makk 23 January 2014 18: 50
    0
    Try to imagine what will happen if banks give us cheap loans?
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 23 January 2014 18: 55
    +4
    So loans abroad are taken not only by banks and large corporations, but also by very small enterprises, created not at all "money stolen from the people"
    You have not asked the question: - "WHY?"
    Interest on loans in Russia is absolutely unacceptable for the purpose of industrial development in the country and may be applicable only to short-term commercial transactions. And this is not only because banks have exorbitant appetites, although this is present, but also directly from the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
    A simple example of what the% loan rate is composed of:
    1. Central Bank refinancing rate - 8,25%
    2.reservation in the Central Bank20% of the bank's capital - 8,25х20% = 1,65%
    3. Deposit insurance - approximately 1,7%
    TOTAL: 8,25 + 1,65 + 1,7 = 11,6%, and we still did not come close to the same appetites of banks, further, the loan default ratio within 5-20%, take a minimum of 5%
    4. 11,6x5% = 12,8% per annum, and we are still not close to the "appetites of banks", at the same time, the real interest rates on loans, not for "friends", are within 18-21%, higher it just makes no sense at all, although 21% for a manufacturing enterprise is practically a stranglehold on the neck, while I'm not talking about the fact that at 18% it is almost impossible to take a loan to a mere mortal for the development of his enterprise.
    In the same time. loans from foreign banks amount to 7-8,5%. That is precisely why the indebtedness of the private sector abroad is growing sharply.
    The legislation governing monetary circulation in the country is directly aimed at strangling industrial production and agriculture in the country., This legislation has no other functions,
  • kris
    kris 23 January 2014 20: 12
    +3
    Mikhail Khazin subtly hints that the main liberal president is Putin!
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 24 January 2014 11: 32
    +1
    Banks take in foreign currency, and give in foreign currency + interest, and we pay, though a lot, but in rubles. As a result, the ruble exchange rate drops further. And our earned currency funds are put into foreign state funds at a ridiculous percentage.
    In the bottom line, Russia has double losses, but opponents abroad have double benefits, so whose financial and economic block is this? And what are they still doing in Russia?
  • Strashila
    Strashila 23 January 2014 15: 52
    +7
    Here to ask a question ... but actually from whom we take. He stole the scheme, took it abroad, bought a bank, gave it to himself ... he stole it again ... the circle closed, it turns out not a bad pump for pumping money and laundering it.
    1. avg
      avg 23 January 2014 16: 07
      +1
      In short: Deripaska takes, Pikalevo pays.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 23 January 2014 16: 59
        +1
        Quote: avg
        In short: Deripaska takes, Pikalevo pays.

        Are you from Pikalev?
  • ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 23 January 2014 16: 02
    +3
    I do not understand what the author offers.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 23 January 2014 16: 03
    +7
    It is necessary to restore production.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 23 January 2014 18: 14
      +2
      Deniska999 (2) RU
      It is necessary to restore production.


      It is not possible under the modern version of the Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the provisions of the constitution regarding the activities of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
      The Central Bank of Russia is almost a private shop and is not controlled by anyone in the country, even the president. The legislative framework is designed in such a way that money circulation in the country under the strict guidance of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation directly contributes to the destruction of industry with a complete reorientation to the export of raw materials.
      As we observe, over 20 years more than 70,000 industrial enterprises have been destroyed, entire branches of industrial production have been destroyed. At the same time, the share of oil and gas in the export structure for the period from 1985 to 2012 increased from 8% to 75%.
      These are the laws we have adopted under EBNe.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 23 January 2014 16: 09
    +1
    Any state has debts, the question is what proportion of GDP they make up. In Russia, it is now the smallest in Europe ...
    1. yehat
      yehat 23 January 2014 16: 20
      +4
      There is a difference between public debt and total debt.
      Yes, our state debt has declined, but the total debt has not diminished - it just changed its structure.
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  • operrus
    operrus 23 January 2014 16: 16
    +2
    The author proposes to get away from the model of the economy that the liberals in the government are now pursuing, the main question is how to do this. The likely answer is to change the head of government and partly ministers, I would like to quickly.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 23 January 2014 18: 27
      +2
      The likely answer is to change the head of government and partially ministers, I would like to quickly.


      But it does not make sense to change the flea, the new ministers and the new government will again pursue the same exact policy, since the legislation on monetary circulation in the country is directly aimed at destroying industry in the country and nothing else. If you do not believe me, then do not be too lazy to read the law on the Central Bank of Russia, you will learn a lot of interesting, though gloomy.

      Reforms in the country must begin with a change in the legislative framework in the country, without this, little can be done, except to increase the money supply so that industry breathes a little sigh of relief, as Gerashchenko did as head of the Central Bank. but having a good person as head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not enough, it is necessary to change the entire legislative framework on the circulation of money in the country in such a way that laws force the development of production in the country, and not vice versa, as is happening now.
      And secondly, it is necessary to leave the WTO; membership in this organization inflicts innumerable harm on the country's economy.
  • Const
    Const 23 January 2014 16: 16
    +4
    Unfortunately, many state-level leaders do not like and (or) are not able to ask questions to specialists. And they don’t like the received answers. Incompetence triumphs. Annoyingly.
    1. yehat
      yehat 23 January 2014 17: 46
      +3
      not quite right. simple solutions triumph here.
      This is enough for many to survive. And there is no incentive to strain for something — often not a carrot or a stick.
      This happened because the dreamers had no place in society. There is no general culture of craving for the best. If there is sufficiency - an apartment, for bread and butter, then that's it. A person does not strive for anything and degrades. Therefore, everything has now come down to a stupid pursuit of "dough", at any cost.
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  • rugor
    rugor 23 January 2014 16: 16
    +6
    External debt in such a volume is not a problem at all and its changes in one direction or another are not critical.
    Our banks pump left grandmother into overshoots and are engaged in cashing, for which they will be closed in the near future. The course is right.
    The industry will grow at the expense of the state defense order, but this is not an instant process, money alone is not enough, it takes time and an "iron hand". I don't see her yet.
    1. voliador
      voliador 23 January 2014 17: 41
      +2
      One state defense order will not be enough. It is necessary to develop the production of consumer goods, agriculture as a guarantee of food security for the state, heavy engineering and, of course, radio electronics and IT technologies. However, to paraphrase a well-known saying, "your account in Geneva is closer to your body." Where will the loot drip on him if all the money is spent on real government needs?
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  • tomich
    tomich 23 January 2014 16: 20
    +1
    Yes, the author, as usual, does not offer anything, because there are not enough brains, another lover of reasoning and promotion, even here, since they don’t take finance ministers)))
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 23 January 2014 16: 31
      +2
      Quote: tomich
      times in the ministers of finance do not take)))


      He will never be taken. He is not a liberal)))
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 23 January 2014 16: 53
    +2
    Until this clique of "liberal traitors" is in power, we will not see a bright future. Thieves and their henchmen will never care about the economic development of the country as long as they are given the opportunity to rob our Russia. After all, their main essence is unswerving fulfillment the instructions of the "Washington" regional committee, but the Guarantor does not see it (or does not want to see it). An article about everything and nothing: where are the ways to get out of this Gaidar garbage dump and how to do it? Ordinary people understand perfectly well that the reasons lie in the predatory privatization carried out a gang of traitors led by the CIA and the US State Department!
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 23 January 2014 17: 05
    +4
    Not indicative. The United States has an astronomical debt, Japan has even more. At the same time, they live according to the principle "To whom I owe - I forgive everything," and if they swell from what, then certainly not from hunger.
    1. yehat
      yehat 23 January 2014 17: 28
      +1
      if the Russian Federation copies this behavior, it will be in the "tail" of the chain of those who use the world's goods. We cannot, at least for now, compete in this "open boxing" because we are guaranteed to be knocked out before we achieve anything.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 23 January 2014 17: 42
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        if the Russian Federation copies this behavior, it will be in the "tail" of the chain of those who use the world's goods.


        Yes, we are not at its very top, I assure you. And no one talks about copying, although everything can be expected from our liberals in the government.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 18: 29
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        compete in this "open boxing" because we are guaranteed to be knocked out before we get anywhere.

        Therefore, here you need to act with the wrestler’s tactics - clinch rest for the boxer, and for the wrestler the best gift. laughing
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  • Snipe 74
    Snipe 74 23 January 2014 17: 17
    +1
    High investment? Look around people. Their ("our") homegrown oligarchs have long ago poured their money to the west. Because they know that someday the Russian people will wake up and "ask" them to turn out their pockets. And now, while there is still an opportunity, they need to manage to steal a little more, all the same they will get nothing for it. In my hometown Pavlovo there is a certain Tuvykin K Yu, who "at the cost of incredible efforts" stole a lot of money. How many ? He doesn't even know for sure. And then the scheme has long been worked out. A castle in Italy, there are also vineyards and the production of vintage wines, children to study in the USA. Now he is actively selling hundreds of organizations in the city (gas stations, construction firms, transport, etc.) There are several thousand like him in the country and they have nothing to do with people. At one time they stuffed their pockets, and now it's time to get out of the country. And our government is watching all this disgrace from the heights of Olympus. Why are they allowed to withdraw hundreds of billions? Yes, because they themselves are smeared.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 January 2014 18: 32
      0
      Quote: Snipe 74
      . Why allow hundreds of billions to be withdrawn? Yes, because they themselves are smeared.

      "The increase in the outflow of private capital in 2013, according to the forecast, from $ 30 billion to $ 70 billion, was an important factor in the decline in the value of the ruble in 2013," the Economic Development Ministry said in a statement.
  • SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 23 January 2014 17: 21
    +2
    Such as the above-mentioned citizens, used to be called shortly and clearly "enemies of the people" and acted with them in accordance with the circumstances.
  • konvalval
    konvalval 23 January 2014 17: 21
    +3
    The author wants to convey to the drowsy that with this government and their economic course we are moving into the abyss.
  • v53993
    v53993 23 January 2014 17: 26
    0
    And why not take it, and then send it to hell. They owe us more. With them it is impossible differently, however liberals.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 23 January 2014 17: 33
    +2
    It is necessary to drive the LIBERALS out of power!
    IN THE BACK OF MR. GAYDAR! CHANGE THE ECONOMY .... THE MINECON of development, etc. SHOULD BE FIRED!
    GIVE PUTIN- RIGHTS AS A GENERAL OF THE USSR!
    and all K WALLS!
    1. voliador
      voliador 23 January 2014 17: 46
      +2
      And not just to drive, but to coal mines, to mines and logging! They are now talking a lot about the development of the Far North, so send them there for 15-20 years, but with complete confiscation "! angry
      1. v53993
        v53993 23 January 2014 18: 41
        0
        Well, why drive, even if at least part of the work.
  • sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 23 January 2014 17: 46
    +4
    Why do Russia have soaring debts?
    Because the members of the Ozero cooperative will never have enough ...
    1. yehat
      yehat 23 January 2014 17: 59
      +2
      It seems to me that it is necessary to start propaganda of a normal technocratic economy (rather than primitive theoretical monetarism), so that the majority will finally understand what is needed for the pension money to appear in the budget and the producer to be able to pay a normal salary.
      When the majority will understand this, demagoguery will cease to be valid and many controversial decisions of our government will finally undergo real obstruction. Only against this background is political pressure in the right direction possible.
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  • Altona
    Altona 23 January 2014 18: 28
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    With this money, investment funds must be created, and through them to buy real goods - combines, machine tools, and other means of production. And sell to our manufacturers on lease.

    ------------------------------------
    Personally, I am against ... An investment fund is a private shop, FIG knows how it will behave ... I am for the normal State Bank for Reconstruction and Development and the State Industrial Construction Bank, they used to be, then mysteriously became private VTB24 ...
    It's high time to drive the pyramidons and pyramidators of financiers out of the Government with wet rags and a mop stick, with a negative characteristic ... Well, they can't count money, they can't, they can't and never knew how, they can only saw and divide them, they can't multiply can ... These leaders built the GKO pyramid in their time, they "effectively" squandered the property of the USSR ... Liberal dumb ... Bolshevik commissars who flattened the gold salaries of icons and valuables from Gokhran into gold scrap and that are less barbarians than polished Russian liberal in a suit from London tailors ...
    In exchange matters, they, too, are suckers suckers, all the IPOs that they carry out are washed away with tears from their inferiority ... Even normal companies manage to take down capitalization ... I’m silent about industry in general, not only do not know what it is they eat, they also managed to enter the WTO, as if oil and gas weren’t sold anyway ... They’ll strangle themselves for a penny, but they won’t notice the ruble ... No words ...
    1. v53993
      v53993 23 January 2014 18: 43
      +1
      And we entered the WTO because we can’t ruin it.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 23 January 2014 18: 44
    0
    Everyone understands, they write about problems, and things are still there. Does anyone read these articles besides us !?
    1. coserg 2012
      coserg 2012 23 January 2014 20: 33
      0
      Of course they read! With a crooked smirk. No matter what, but words are words.
  • muhomor
    muhomor 23 January 2014 19: 36
    0
    While the Russian economy is controlled by foreign citizens, there will be no sense.
  • Puffed up
    Puffed up 23 January 2014 19: 38
    0
    Dwarfs are then evil rule Russia. Eating, eating soon burst. And all steal it. In our village there is no gas. But the German has gas on every farm. Putin conducted a pipe to them along the bottom of the sea directly to Germany. They have gatherings with athletes then, and we drown it with firewood. Yes moonshine to drink that. Grandma Martha does good moonshine in the village with us. The whole village is in her debt then. So the article is correct, debts are growing then.
  • Sour
    Sour 23 January 2014 19: 43
    +1
    Khazin, as always, is lying.
    Interestingly, has he ever told the truth in his life? Or mom and dad did not teach him this?
    He operates with the sum where he enters corporate debt, not only public debt.
    And on this basis he draws some conclusions.
    Corporate debt is a separate topic.
    Its amount consists of the following points:
    1) Loans taken by corporations, and so far not paid by them. Moreover, there may be debts from their own, Russian creditors.
    2) Prepayment for ordered but not yet delivered products.
    3) Direct investment in the economy. If someone has invested in your company, but has not yet made a profit, then this is the corporate debt of your company. Those. the more investment in the country, the more debt.
    In fact, the size of corporate debt indicates only the scale of a country's foreign trade, and nothing more. Russia has the lowest corporate debt in the G18, just over half a trillion dollars. For comparison, China has 13 trillion, the US has 11 trillion, the UK has 5 trillion, and Germany has XNUMX trillion.
    We have room to grow. In fact, it’s bad that we have such corporate debts. This indicates the weakness of our foreign trade.
    You can not evaluate the effectiveness of the economy by the amount of corporate debt, this is bullshit. If only because now all foreign trade is working on credit, otherwise it is simply impossible.
    From the seemingly correct numbers, this fraudster draws arbitrary conclusions.
    I urge everyone - Do not believe a single word of Khazin! He is a liar and a professional alarmist. He has long been called "the king of unfulfilled predictions." How many times this unshaven person was caught lying, but he never answered for him. He is like water off a duck's back. Do not believe this slander. Of course, the Russian economy is full of problems, but they should not be judged by the liar Khazin.
    1. smile
      smile 23 January 2014 20: 25
      +2
      Sour
      And he can not lie :))). But not because his mother and father raised him badly. For him, lies are not an end in themselves, but an instrument with which he substantiates his political conclusions. After all, if he begins to tell the truth, all his theories and political calculations will fly dog ​​down the drain. :))) He probably wants the good of Russia, therefore, considers it acceptable for himself to build his position on the foundation of professional lies and fraud. :)))
  • Cpa
    Cpa 23 January 2014 23: 23
    0
    Those who make economic reports and articles in the media are mostly populists or sedatives. In fact, everything is simpler. A crisis is when there is nothing to buy and (or) no one to sell to. Our authorities know this, it comes from this, and this afraid that there is something to buy, there are reserves, that there is something to sell, we sell raw materials and energy, there is always a demand for them and our foreign policy relies on this postulate, crushes those who prevent it from selling (dumping or financially). Therefore, they don’t invest mass production, afraid of the great depression, they say private owners if But to do something, it’s a trifle — well done, no, it’s not a big deal for the economy. If you open something, it’s absolutely in demand on the world market and does not have a strong European and American lobby. Russia doesn’t sit on an oil needle and on the dollar, so we have expensive gasoline and the policy is only foreign. For whoever turns away from the dollar, that’s the general idea, like in Libya. If the economic paradigm is not changed, nothing will change. Speaking about the need to get off the raw material needle is a calming bluff for the layman.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 24 January 2014 00: 10
    +2
    To the question (see the title of the article): monstrous theft and corruption, absolute inertia in the development of high-level production, sweet rest on petrodollars, unimaginable leakage of finances abroad and lobbying by authorities for all of the above. In addition - the most numerous bureaucratic apparatus in the world. bully
  • Kite
    Kite 24 January 2014 00: 11
    +2
    Did this Khazin relatively recently explain the crisis in the states from cheap money (loans from 0%)? Then why in another part of the world his views are different (opposite)?
    And another question to: "And if the capitalization of Russian companies is growing, then the amounts for which these shares are sold are growing, the amounts to be returned (that is, exported abroad) are growing, and there is no benefit to the economy. However, if capitalization falls, then the opposite is true."
    How can the quotes of its shares on the stock exchange actually affect the capital (not capitalization) of a company, if the company retained a controlling stake and the rest of the shares have already been sold among the "fans"? Well, the fans play there among themselves, raise / lower, raise a lot above par, these are their games. If they offer the company to buy out the collected shares, then they are not obliged to pay them above par. I tend to believe that the current share price means almost nothing, reflects very poorly the assessment of the prospects for dividends, stock market speculations have nothing to do with the real economy! An underestimated initial public offering (that is, when shares are taken from a company at a discount from par) - yes, a nuisance!
    Those who offer to give out cheap loans from the state, from accumulated funds, would suggest being careful. There were already examples, loans were given to one for so, they weren’t returned, almost never, but went straight to personal accounts. The state could not do anything, the money sailed away, the debtor was on the run, the Western banker was silent (a deposit secret!) If you take a loan from a Western banker, you have to give it away or you can escape, but only to Siberia.
  • Cpa
    Cpa 24 January 2014 00: 41
    0
    Quote: Kite
    Those who offer to give out cheap loans from the state, from accumulated funds, would suggest being careful.

    So this idea is lobbying, to distribute state loans for the redemption of state enterprises, Privatization 2.0.
  • Cpa
    Cpa 24 January 2014 01: 07
    0
    If you carefully consider the arguments of Khazin, he did not answer the question of the article.
    1.If, for example, he is ready to receive 10% on invested funds, and he has invested 100 millions, then take out and put him 10 millions every year. If they are all like that, then this means that the total investment that our economy is ready to “digest” amounts to ten times the amount of money that we are ready to give to the investor.
    wassat That is, does Khazin calculate the volume of effective investments from the interests of the investor? belayAnd where are the debts?
    2.The fact is that the total foreign exchange earnings are divided into several parts. A part of it is taken out by the state (in the form of the Central Bank and the budget), and then it comes back already in the form of loans that need to be repaid.
    recourse That is, the author writes that the state lends to itself? How does it take out the total revenue of private capital? Or did the bank hold the money from itself and now Russia owes it? Or does the West borrow our money from us? But the money is in government bonds, which means we borrow it money.
    3.So, if the revenue is not enough for the "old" investors, then where to get the "new"?
    request Hazin wants to say that the business is paying investors new foreign loans? Yes, no investor will allow this, because it smacks of bankruptcy. If there is nothing to do with external debt?
    4.A part leaves the country for previously made loans (the volume of which is growing, as we see from the statistics).
    How did he define this, guesses? So what is the reason for the growth of borrowings? The author or the layman darkens and confuses investments and borrowings.
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 27 January 2014 16: 01
      0
      Quote: KPA
      And where are the debts? .... a layman and confuses investment and borrowing.

      If you are invested, then this is not free, it’s like a loan - you need to repay the full amount and unfasten the percentage.
      And yet, the weather forecast differs from the economic (political) forecast in that the event (rain) will occur regardless of the forecast. And economic and political forecasts are made in order to avoid adverse events.
      Khazin does not make a prediction here, he makes an analysis here - he cites the facts and explains their reasons, which in their opinion are significant, and that’s all. Taking this information into account, synthesis, prediction, response - this is free will. It happens that they listen - they correct it, and then they accuse it - well, it didn’t come true, again lied.
      So convenient, so as not to interfere, not to be arrogant, not to forget who is "smart" ...
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 27 January 2014 22: 53
        +1
        Well, I didn’t write anything about forecasts. And the analysis is far-fetched, I’m sure there are more thorough and specific reasons for external borrowing than the difference in the foreign currency in accounts abroad at the state and the currency in the hands of private traders.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 28 January 2014 13: 50
          0
          Quote: KPA
          Well, I didn’t write anything about forecasts.

          I admit, my mistake, this is not for you.
          Quote: KPA
          And the analysis is far-fetched, I am sure that there are more thorough and specific reasons for external borrowing than the difference in the foreign currency in accounts abroad with the state and the currency in the hands of private traders.
          But this is already your mistake - the author did not say anything about this reason. Therefore, regarding "far-fetched" you are in vain. There is no reason to claim that the author “confuses investment and borrowing”. Here the general thing is that you have to pay for both, but there is nothing to pay - “over the past couple of years, the total volume of foreign exchange earnings has fallen (well, certainly not growing), the export of capital has grown, the volume of imports, too ..”. He also pointed out our investment needs - these are the needs of economic development "Its essence lies in Gaidar's" ingenious "concept that the economy should develop due to foreign investment." He explained the reasons for “borrowing” - since we are trying to solve the decline in investment and the outflow of capital by reducing the money supply within the country, enterprises are forced to take (cheap) loans in foreign currency, and this is already a classic - the loan must be repaid with interest, including taking into account use of the dollar / pound (in the Fed).
          Quote: KPA
          That is, the author writes that the state lends to itself? How does it export the total revenue of private capital?

          If part of the foreign exchange earnings is exported by the state, then this is not necessary to the Stabilization Fund in state bonds, this is the payment on the accounts and this money is returned to us, since at this level “they don’t lend money in order to get our money back, but in order to keep the customer hooked and cut coupons forever. " The state does not export the "aggregate proceeds of private capital", the author does not assert this - we are talking about the state, but, by the way, it had to pay for the risks of private capital (recall the recent story with state support for the oligarchs' business).
          Quote: KPA
          Or did the bank hold the money in itself and now Russia owes it? Or is the west borrowing our money? ... Khazin wants to say that the business is paying investors new foreign loans?
          Unfortunately, this is exactly what happens. These are the traditional principles of the banking system. Regarding "... it takes us our money" I would like to clarify - if money (any) got into the bank (any), then "this is not our money, this is bank money", this is also a classic.
          1. atalef
            atalef 28 January 2014 14: 07
            0
            Quote: V. Salama
            He explained the reasons for “borrowing” - since we are trying to solve the decline in investment and the outflow of capital by reducing the money supply within the country, enterprises are forced to take (cheap) loans in foreign currency,


            everything is much simpler, in order to remove the burden of huge debts on the taken state corporations in the West, the Central Bank will begin to gradually lower the ruble (which he is now engaged in). Two birds with one stone are being killed.
            1. Having exchanged revenue from energy exports and received more rubles -
            plug holes in the budget
            2
            there remains more free currency to pay off the same debts.
            Therefore, the ruble will continue to fall (as we see)
            Do not forget . we need to prepare for Iranian oil entering the market and the inevitable drop in oil prices. Gazprom’s profit reduction for well-known reasons.
            It is required to collect grandmother at the World Cup.
            In general, you need a lot of rubles. and you can get them only by selling bucks more expensive or from an increase in GDP and, accordingly, tax collection, but because with the last blockage to date.
            Inflation will increase, local loans will become even more expensive. Mortgage payments (with a variable percentage) will increase, gasoline will rise in price - as in general everything.
            You don’t even have to be an economist.
          2. atalef
            atalef 28 January 2014 14: 07
            +1
            Quote: V. Salama
            He explained the reasons for “borrowing” - since we are trying to solve the decline in investment and the outflow of capital by reducing the money supply within the country, enterprises are forced to take (cheap) loans in foreign currency,


            everything is much simpler, in order to remove the burden of huge debts on the taken state corporations in the West, the Central Bank will begin to gradually lower the ruble (which he is now engaged in). Two birds with one stone are being killed.
            1. Having exchanged revenue from energy exports and received more rubles -
            plug holes in the budget
            2
            there remains more free currency to pay off the same debts.
            Therefore, the ruble will continue to fall (as we see)
            Do not forget . we need to prepare for Iranian oil entering the market and the inevitable drop in oil prices. Gazprom’s profit reduction for well-known reasons.
            It is required to collect grandmother at the World Cup.
            In general, you need a lot of rubles. and you can get them only by selling bucks more expensive or from an increase in GDP and, accordingly, tax collection, but because with the last blockage to date.
            Inflation will increase, local loans will become even more expensive. Mortgage payments (with a variable percentage) will increase, gasoline will rise in price - as in general everything.
            You don’t even have to be an economist.
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 28 January 2014 14: 56
              0
              Quote: atalef
              1. Having exchanged revenue from energy exports and received more rubles -
              plug holes in the budget
              2 there is more free currency to pay off the same debts.
              Therefore, the ruble will continue to fall (as we see)
              I totally agree, old trick. Livshits also once explained on TV the benefits of inflation for the development of the oil and gas complex - "we will buy more rubles with the dollars earned ...". But, for all its opposite, Khazin's statement may also be true, since in a radically unsolvable situation there is always a desire to balance on extremes, such as "eat a fish and ride on a sled ..." And we often have one head (hand) doesn't know what the other is doing.
              1. atalef
                atalef 28 January 2014 15: 12
                0
                Quote: V. Salama
                like "eat a fish and ride a sled ..."

                The situation is problematic only from a political point of view. Stability and all the other garbage about which hang noodles.
                Here some contradictions come out in which if you do not say it, but everywhere you’ve got a dead end.
                1. The statement that the crisis comes from the United States will not work because its elementary there is no longer there
                2. In Europe, of course, the same can be blamed - but how much is already possible. have been burying her for 5 years. but she does not die. and indeed the press in the Russian Federation has always treated Europe with downside and starting to blame Europe for the troubles of the Russian Federation - it’s not quite a ride with the people. All the same, the States are far away. and Europe is close and too many people are there
                3. Iran - the Russian Federation has positioned itself for so long as the only defender of Iran, that blaming Russian problems on it (due to falling oil prices - after the embargo) will not completely roll. jokes about a rake everyone remembers
                4. Gas pipelines South and North - everything is beautiful. but antitrust laws are stifling. Ukraine vseravno gas prices lowered. which means that you can use the Ukrainian part of the gas pipelines without any problems. therefore, it seems like the grandmas on Sev.potok were kindled in vain.
                5. The Olympics. World Cup and further huge expenses. including pension reform - all this money and huge. and nowhere to take
                It’s just nowhere. At a price of 100 bucks per barrel, the budget is hardly surplus.

                Therefore, since you can’t change economic zones. and rubles are needed-- there is no way but a soft devaluation.
                Stock up with hateful bucks - at least somehow save what you have.
                1. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 28 January 2014 15: 47
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  ... the crisis comes from the United States - it won’t work because its elementary there is no longer there
                  He came from there, but that's why they ruined the USSR and encouraged EBN to sign tacit agreements in order to be able to get out of crises at our expense. So now there is probably no crisis in the States. We are all like "Papuans" - in the dollar zone with a "pipe economy" instead of a normal economy of production of means of production and consumption. So for our ruble tied to the petrodollar - whether inflation or devaluation is the same result, we tighten our belts. In short, there is nothing to argue on all five points, it seems obvious. I just don’t remember about Nord Stream, maybe I’m mistaken, but the grandmother would have burned it anyway. In 2012, Gazprom received clean about 560 lard arrived (read in the media), well, they had a problem - they had to keep their specialized contractors and let them earn money. There part of the dough and lowered. So in a flawed economy, everything is in one place.
                  Quote: atalef
                  The situation is problematic only from a political point of view.
                  It can be formulated as such, although it is too categorical in my opinion, but for our topic it is not essential.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 28 January 2014 15: 53
                    -1
                    Quote: V. Salama
                    He came from there

                    The same thing came from Mongolia, and so what? The question is why it ended in the United States and in Russia hung up .--- I probably liked it
                    Quote: V. Salama
                    but the USSR collapsed and pushed EBN to sign tacit agreements in order to be able to get out of crises at our expense

                    Nothing that EBN has been in power for 14 years and 3 years in the grave?
                    Quote: V. Salama
                    Gazprom received a net profit of about 560 lard (read in the media), well, they had a problem - they had to keep their specialized contractors and let them earn money.

                    Handsomely .... belay
                    Quote: V. Salama
                    It can be formulated as such, although it is too categorical in my opinion, but for our topic it is not essential.

                    So it is possible to formulate. The GDP is starting to understand the same thing (against the background of a constantly falling rating) and the PIDDURK from the tandem that you can’t hang noodles endlessly and the patience of the people is at the limit.
                    But then suddenly the example of Ukraine will be contagious.
                    1. V. Salama
                      V. Salama 28 January 2014 16: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      ... in Russia hung up .--- probably liked
                      You and I, it seems, do not like it, but we have built such an economy - an appendage of the West. And "politics is a concentrated expression of economics."
                      Quote: atalef
                      Nothing that EBN has been in power for 14 years ...
                      Of course "nothing". Why should it be different? First, "the president is not power - it is a screen for power. Power is something that is not subject to rotation." Secondly, you remember who brought the GDP to power, on what basis and under what guarantees. Everything is the same, only the situation is different - the instinct of self-preservation sharpens.
                      Quote: atalef
                      ... that you can’t hang noodles endlessly and the patience of the people is at the limit
                      I think that the authorities have almost inexhaustible possibilities in this matter. And the example of Ukraine (in its pure form) will become possible for us when the "tandem" type quarrels.
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  • Hellbringer
    Hellbringer 24 January 2014 12: 37
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    Why are you on strike here?
    Get better prepared - the ruble collapse is coming ...
    Fin Analysts vandalize 40 rubles for a buck, IMHO as soon as the ruble is released for free quotation, the oil market will immediately shake friends outside ... and the ruble will collapse ...
    If you planned to buy something this year, then buy now.
    You can even get a little loan.
    If there is a surplus, it is better to transfer IMHO to Efrofantiki.
    The approximate period after the Olympics, maybe before, by the summer will definitely be bad.
    This is so friendly.
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 January 2014 14: 49
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      Quote: Hellbringer
      Fin Analysts are vandalizing 40 rubles for a buck, IMHO, as soon as the ruble is released for free quotation, the oil market will immediately shake friends outside ... and the ruble will collapse ... If you planned to buy something this year, buy now

      read today
      Since January 20, the purchase of foreign currency has quadrupled - both US dollars and euros, Vedomosti notes, citing data from VTB 24. Otkritie FC speaks about a threefold increase in demand for dollars and euros. HKF-Bank noticed an increased demand of clients for deposits in dollars and euros. And the representative of "Alfa-Bank" said that the number of cash withdrawals in euros has increased.

      In recent days, the demand for the purchase of cash currency by individuals has increased slightly, the representative of Sberbank admits, but there is no sharp surge. The sale of dollars to the population on January 27 exceeded the daily average of two weeks by 3,5 times, says Victoria Openko, Deputy Head of the Center for Conversion Operations at Binbank, demand for the euro is 50% higher than the average daily values ​​of the previous two weeks.
  • Kite
    Kite 24 January 2014 13: 01
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    Quote: Hellbringer
    If there is a surplus, then it is better to transfer to Efrofantiki

    - Well, yes, on the eve of the elections in Europe? belay Already know the future results? wink
    But on the other hand: on the same website the "expert" complained that the main thing for the government is the fight against inflation. The people are reassured by low (relatively) inflation, they hold back money, they are in no hurry to buy anything, stagnation sets in.
    Ah stagnation! Horror, down! Then overstock, support the manufacturer, inflation and the forecast of exchange rates to help you in choosing goods.
    Horror again? That is life! (se la vie! fellow )
    1. Hellbringer
      Hellbringer 24 January 2014 13: 17
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      About the elections - flies separately, cutlets separately.
      Even if the euro fluctuates, we will lose less than with the collapse of the ruble ...
  • vlad.1924
    vlad.1924 24 January 2014 13: 46
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    Gaidar's "genius" concept that the economy should develop at the expense of foreign investment ... "and this nonsense was thrown back in those years by American advisers ... China makes money all over the world and invests it both at home and around the world , without any foreign investments ... And our liberals can only cut interest and know how to steal money - that's the whole business !!!
  • homosum20
    homosum20 24 January 2014 14: 40
    +1
    Outwardly, public debts exist for one purpose - so as not to give them back as a result of the inability to give or withdraw by force. As for the power method, there is a voivode, a mace, a yars. The rest is a matter of our conscience. My conscience is focused on family, city, country - and the rest (if complete, let sso.sut).
    Therefore, let external debts be levied from those who owed us - or wipe away. And we need a fleet, an army, an air force. Debts are not needed.
    America owes the world. This does not prevent her from being the strongest power.
    An example should be taken from the smart, not from the prolific (like China).
    An aircraft carrier gives much more than a pack of bucks of its weight.
    As Saltykov Shchedrin said (figuratively, very figuratively) "today they give 50 kopecks for a ruble, and tomorrow they will give it in the face ...". The aircraft carrier, unlike debts and the ruble, will answer.
  • timtom
    timtom 17 September 2014 13: 15
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    On the issue of External Debt, there is a very interesting point of view: http://investcafe.ru/blogs/mbcy/posts/44437