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China began to build a second aircraft carrier

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China began to build a second aircraft carrier

The second of the four planned aircraft carriers began to build in China, a source in the government said.


Construction began in the northeast port of Dalian and is designed for six years, according to Defense News, citing the leader of the Communist Party of Dalian Liaoning Province.

Creating two more aircraft carriers is in the project. Chinese authorities claim that the arms build-up is conducted solely for self-defense.

Now only one aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, is listed in the PRC Navy. This is a former Soviet heavy aircraft carrying cruiser "Varyag", purchased from Ukraine and modernized by Chinese experts. Liaonin can accommodate up to 30 aircraft. On the aircraft carrier to date, successfully tested on the take-off and landing of deck fighters.

Recall that last winter there was confirmation of the construction of nuclear aircraft carriers in China. In early May, it became known that the People's Liberation Army of China allocated a deck Aviation into the new formation of the Navy.

In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."
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  1. Stiletto
    Stiletto 21 January 2014 11: 57
    +49
    Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 21 January 2014 12: 17
      +23
      Quote: Stiletto
      Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...

      Do not worry, who is now the worst from this news, it's those who have unresolved problems with China on the disputed islands in the APR. Well, in the states, too, do not pee from "happiness". Only one thing killed - "In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on" its own intellectual rights. " Intellectuals, damn it ...
      1. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 21 January 2014 12: 21
        +19
        Intellectuals, damn it ....


        In vain you are so, dear, oh in vain ...
        1. intsurfer
          intsurfer 21 January 2014 12: 39
          +11
          >> In vain you are so, dear, oh in vain ...

          Moreover, they do not consider it shameful to deceive a weak counterparty and not even fulfill the contract if they understand that they will not be for it. Google a couple of articles on computer about the features of business in China. Very instructive.
          1. Old Cynic
            Old Cynic 21 January 2014 12: 47
            +1
            Sorry, but you have combined flies with cutlets that "is not smart"!

            What does this have to do with the connection between intelligence and the rules of doing business? By the way, I can also google articles about the specifics of doing business in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, believe me! I do not think that there is to deceive the "weak counterparty" (but for this slogan - my personal thanks to you !!! In your notebook !!!) and so on there is nonsense.

            Or are the words "intellect" and "cunning" (sorry) "disgusting" synonymous for you?
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 21 January 2014 13: 00
              +2
              Quote: Old Cynic
              And here is the connection of intelligence and the rules of doing business?

              So separate, flies and cutlets. What is their intelligence? In the invention of gunpowder? And that’s all, and that’s in question. Now put together all that they have achieved from what was transmitted to them or stolen by them. Is this your intellect? Only the scum of their achievements in philosophy, they are not related to material achievements. Minus return.
              1. Old Cynic
                Old Cynic 21 January 2014 13: 07
                +12
                And what made you so excited? That I do not consider the Chinese stupid? Well, sorry, our opinions do not coincide, alas! I confess, I do not consider stupid people who, through industrial espionage or simply copying something, can establish its serial industrial production.

                I beg your pardon ... request
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 21 January 2014 13: 12
                  +7
                  Quote: Old Cynic
                  That I do not consider the Chinese stupid? Well, sorry, our opinions do not coincide, alas!

                  I do not consider them stupid either, there isn’t this in my comments, but even to the intellectuals they like from Moscow to Beijing in a well-known position. If industrial espionage and theft pass into the category of intellectual virtues of a particular nation then, alas, our world is heading into the abyss.
                  1. Old Cynic
                    Old Cynic 21 January 2014 13: 44
                    +5
                    our world is rolling into the abyss.


                    Have you still doubted? You probably have blue eyes and pink glasses ...

                    If espionage and theft pass into the category of intellectual virtues

                    No, what are you talking about ... to organize industrial espionage and industrial theft in the interests of YOUR country can only be a stupid person, here I completely agree with you! There is no place for an intellectual here, much less for a Chinese ... Like there, in "Brotherhood and the Ring" in Puchkov's translation: "Entry is prohibited to horses, blacks and Chinese" ... AHA, say "der Parol" , and come in!

                    Dear, what, under the USSR, secrets (industrial and non-industrial) were not stolen and did not bring to life ??? But what, in modern Russia, secrets do not steal beyond the hill and do not bring them to life?

                    And what, we, the USSR, Russia, did not steal and do not steal sects?

                    And what is it that non-intellectuals do? Morons, in your opinion?
                    1. Vadivak
                      Vadivak 21 January 2014 14: 18
                      +6
                      Quote: Old Cynic
                      Dear, what, under the USSR, secrets (industrial and non-industrial) were not stolen and did not bring to life ???


                      It was a deal. Take at least the Tu-4, but then there was the Tu-16 and Tu-95.

                      But. When everything is constantly stolen, and pretends to be its own, the conclusion of brain activity about suggests itself
                      1. Old Cynic
                        Old Cynic 21 January 2014 15: 49
                        +5
                        It was a deal. Take at least the Tu-4, but then there was the Tu-16 and Tu-95.


                        And what do you want to tell me? What was not used at all when developing the Tu-16 and Tu-95? Nothing straight?

                        And if you deign to get to the bottom of the truth, it will turn out to be as simple as a Columbian egg: a certain "Tersky" allowed himself to ironically speak about the intellectuality of the Chinese people. Someone "Old Cynic", O GOD !, let him argue that he shouldn't have said so.
                      2. Vadivak
                        Vadivak 21 January 2014 19: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: Old Cynic
                        Someone "Terskiy" Someone "Old Cynic", O GOD !, allowed him to argue that he shouldn't have said so.

                        1. The first has a name. Therefore, he is not "someone" (unidentified person)
                        2. In vain you are so worried, just I also adhere to the same point of view. And all
                      3. Tersky
                        Tersky 21 January 2014 19: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadivak
                        The first has a name. Therefore, he is not "someone" (unidentified person)

                        Vadim hi ! Do not pay attention, the person will never understand that we are talking about the Chinese application for the construction of an aircraft-carrying cruiser based on intellectual property (???) which was designed and practically built by the intellectuals of the USSR, well, that's why he is an "Old Cynic".
                      4. Vadivak
                        Vadivak 21 January 2014 21: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: Tersky
                        we are talking about the Chinese application for the construction of an aircraft-carrying cruiser based on intellectual property (???), which was designed and practically built by intellectuals of the USSR,

                        Fear the Chinese bringing gifts

                        "China said it will refuse to buy from Russia
                        Su-35 aircraft, if the contract includes a provision on “unauthorized
                        copying »

                        What else does? What are the reasons? hi
                      5. Tersky
                        Tersky 21 January 2014 22: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadivak
                        What else does? What are the reasons
                        The darkest thing is under a candle ... yes
              2. clidon
                clidon 21 January 2014 15: 54
                0
                And the Chinese first had J-10/11, then J-20, and then there will be J-xx.
              3. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 21 January 2014 19: 04
                +3
                If we announce the Chinese as "non-intellectuals" then who is responsible for declaring our and Ukrainian leaders?
                "Now the Chinese Navy has only one aircraft carrier -" Liaoning ". This is the former Soviet heavy aircraft carrier" Varyag ", purchased from Ukraine"
                But about our Russian:
                "The aircraft carrier" Vikramaditya "came from Russia to replace the Indian ship" Vikrant ", which has already served its purpose.
                "Russia handed over to India the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier, created for its naval forces on the basis of the Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Gorshkov," Interfax reported on Saturday, November 16.

                The message states that the ceremonial handover of the ship took place at the Sevmash shipyard. The Russian flag was lowered on the aircraft carrier and the Indian flag was raised, and the wife of the new commander of the ship, Suraj Berry, smashed a coconut against the side of the Vikramaditya. "
                http://lenta.ru/news/2013/11/16/vikra/

                Well, are you proud of "our" "intellectuals"?
              4. clidon
                clidon 21 January 2014 19: 31
                +3
                Well, here is a positive example, with "Vikramaditya" ... Selling such a ship is not so lucky for every country.
                I think we will be happy to build and sell even more planes and aircraft carriers, but who will give it.
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        2. Pirr
          Pirr 21 January 2014 14: 47
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          I do not consider them stupid either, there isn’t this in my comments, but even to the intellectuals they like from Moscow to Beijing in a well-known position. If industrial espionage and theft pass into the category of intellectual virtues of a particular nation then, alas, our world is heading into the abyss.

          China has a very high quality education. The Institute of the Far East of the Russian Academy of Sciences published its research on building up the scientific and technical power of the PRC. At present, China already occupies the first place in the world in terms of allocated resources (including the instrument base) per researcher, and the country also has no equal in the number of scientific and technical personnel, the number of which has already reached 1 million people. And if such a large figure can be linked to the largest population in the world, then a high level of education cannot be attributed to this. In 51, China took the third place (2009 universities) in terms of the number of universities that entered the top 200 universities in the world, leaving behind only the United States and Great Britain. At the same time, China shares the third place with the Netherlands and Japan, although only a decade ago only one Chinese university entered the top 11 (Fudan University in Shanghai).
          The average salary of scientists in the PRC has increased by a factor of 1998-27 since 28. For example, the annual income of an employee of one of the research institutes of the Chinese Academy of Sciences ranges from 25 to 65 thousand dollars per year (average values), but can go up to 150-200 thousand dollars including all grants and fees. A professor at the Beijing National Institute of Biological Sciences for the year earns about 50-60 thousands of dollars. For the Middle Kingdom is just an excellent salary. It is not surprising that today the Chinese view scientists as real pillars of society. Engineers, scientists and professors in Chinese society are increasingly valued every year. Due to the prestige of the profession and the high level of wages (explosive growth), most of the most promising college graduates associate their future life with science. Chinese scientists are constantly experiencing social support for their research from society. Moreover, since 2006, Beijing has been implementing a special program: “An Action Plan to Increase Public Understanding of Science”, which has been worked out until the 2020 year.
          1. Danash I
            Danash I 21 January 2014 15: 36
            +3
            China simply repeats the Soviet path of development. Indeed, even with us, the professor received not a lot of money for his work. Science is held in high esteem, scientists, respected people, progress in many, many directions, it’s been a long time to list everything. Until now, and no one disputes this, I hope that the ideas and people of Soviet dressing work. For well-known reasons, we, unfortunately, have to catch up with the Chinese. New ideas arise, people die, and new people grow up for a long time, the conditions are now completely different. And the main lag is in the debilitation of young people.
    2. Onizuka teacher
      Onizuka teacher 21 January 2014 13: 13
      +6
      China is home to some of the most significant inventions of human civilization, including the four great inventions of ancient China: paper, compass, gunpowder, and typography (both woodcuts and typescripts). The following list contains these and other inventions that first appeared in China. The Chinese invented original technologies in the fields of mechanics, hydraulics, mathematics as applied to time measurement, metallurgy, astronomy, agriculture, construction of mechanisms, music theory, art, navigation and methods of conducting war. In the period of the Battle of the Kingdoms (403-221 BC), the Chinese had the most advanced technologies in metallurgy, including blast furnaces with blasting and cupola furnaces, and the screaming forge and forge-pudding process were known during the Han Dynasty (202 B.C. - 220 A.D.). The emergence of a complex economic system in China gave rise to such an invention as paper money during the Song Dynasty (960–1279). The invention of gunpowder (at least in the 725th century) caused a number of unique inventions, such as a burning spear, land mines, sea mines, squeaks, exploding cannonballs, multi-stage rockets and rockets with aerodynamic wings. Using a navigational compass and using a steering wheel with an aftershaft known since the XNUMXst century, the Chinese sailors achieved great success in controlling the ship on the high seas, and in the XNUMXth century. they sailed to East Africa and Egypt. The first mechanical watches with an anchor mechanism were made in Tang China in XNUMX AD by Sin and Liang Linzan. The Chinese also created large mechanical water-powered puppet theaters, a wheel with spokes, and a vending machine driven by a wheel with tiles. Chinese opera, Chinese mathematics, and Chinese architecture were not on the list. Nor are there any Chinese discoveries in the field of natural phenomena made in the study of the human body, other biological organisms, or made in the study of the environment and the solar system. Questions?
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 21 January 2014 13: 29
        +6
        Quote: Teacher Onizuka
        Questions?

        One, did they learn copyright? From the rulescomments on the site are intended solely for readers to express their opinions on published articles. At the same time, reasonable citation of materials from other sites within the framework of one comment is allowed with the obligatory reference to the source.
        1. Denis
          Denis 21 January 2014 13: 54
          +2
          Quote: Tersky
          One, did they learn copyright?

          Okay even our boat Grachenok, damn it does not copy laughing
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 21 January 2014 14: 24
            +1
            Quote: Denis
            Okay even our boat Grachenok, damn it does not copy

            They just do not know about him yet.
        2. Onizuka teacher
          Onizuka teacher 21 January 2014 14: 33
          +7
          Quote: Tersky
          One, did they learn copyright? Of the rules, comments on the site are intended solely for expression by readers of their own opinions regarding published articles. At the same time, reasonable citation of materials from other sites is allowed within the framework of one comment with a mandatory link to the source.

          This is from an abstract of Great Chinese Inventions. Materials taken from 1.http: //ru.admissions.cn/Culture/2009-8/view10172.html
          2.http: //www.epochtimes.ru/content/view/37664/4/
          3.http: //ru.wikipedia.org/
          4.http: //www.abc-people.com/typework/art/antich1-txt.htm
          5.http: //kitaia.ru/kultura-kitaya/neprehodyashchie-cennosti/
          6.http: //intway-holiday.com/page2b.htm
          This is so that people would know there not only gunpowder was invented. Before you write about another people, you need to at least know its history, this is elementary.
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          1. Tersky
            Tersky 21 January 2014 16: 47
            +1
            Quote: Teacher Onizuka
            Before you write about another people, you need to at least know its history, this is elementary.

            It is elementary to pull out contexts from the "Wiki", comments of users of third-party sites, and lay it out on the site without linking to the source. This is elementary for you ...
            1. Onizuka teacher
              Onizuka teacher 21 January 2014 18: 45
              +4
              Quote: Tersky
              This is elementary for you ....

              For the elementary to receive knowledge and shares with others who have erroneous opinions or lack of knowledge in this area, and if the information is correct, I post it. Received and shared.
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            3. Tersky
              Tersky 21 January 2014 21: 22
              +1
              Quote: Teacher Onizuka
              For the elementary to receive knowledge and shares with others who have erroneous opinions or lack of knowledge in this area, and if the information is correct, I post it

              About how! laughing ! You turn out to be a standard of reliability ... Only it is called differently, having received knowledge from a source, they usually share knowledge or information with a link to it or to the author, otherwise this "division" looks like elementary plagiarism.
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    3. Day 11
      Day 11 21 January 2014 13: 33
      0
      As for gunpowder, the question is debatable. Well, oh well, I believe in a word
    4. Papakiko
      Papakiko 21 January 2014 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      Questions?

      If they were so "cool" in 403-221. BC e. and 202 BC e. - 220 AD e. and 960-1279. What made them build the "Great Wall of China" and surrender to the Saxons in the 19th century under the pressure of opium ???
      Start referring to feudalism, internal fragmentation and other nonsense?
      Remember "ancient" Egypt and "ancient" Israel?
      There are a lot of such "miracles" and modern academic history for you, cook any stew, eat it to your health.

      Empires collapse under the influence of external factors and not under the influence of internal problems.
      Our extreme example happened in 1991.
      Who benefited the most from the collapse of the USSR?
      The emerging "independent states" or "Western" countries of developed capitalism?
      Both the modern Chinese "economic miracle", like the "miracles" of Japan and South Korea, have man-made roots.
      1. Onizuka teacher
        Onizuka teacher 21 January 2014 14: 35
        +3
        Quote: Papakiko
        forced to build the "Great Wall of China" and in the 19th century to surrender to the Saxons under the pressure of opium ???

        You yourself answered your question.
        Quote: Papakiko
        Start referring to feudalism, internal fragmentation and other nonsense?

        What does the other civilizations have to do with China?
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    5. Basarev
      Basarev 21 January 2014 14: 28
      -6
      Come on. The Chinese are absolutely impossible to build their own never stolen nose. This is impossible even theoretically
    6. lazy
      lazy 21 January 2014 14: 33
      0
      And where is the guarantee that they invented it, and not copied from the now forgotten peoples? long time it was wink
    7. rolik
      rolik 21 January 2014 14: 34
      0
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      China is home to one of the most significant inventions of human civilization, including the four great inventions of ancient China: paper, compass

      As for the compass, it’s also not 100% what the Chinese invented.
      There are several curious Chinese legends about the invention of paper. One of them says that even before Chai Lun a slave from East Turkestan was able to make her. When the emperor was informed about this, he seemed to say:
      “If the slaves find out that one of them made such a great discovery, they will think too much of themselves.”
      And the emperor ordered that the name of the slave be kept secret, and the inventor himself came up with an “honorable” death.
      Xerox still worked for them then. That's only in those days, to hide the fact of theft, they simply killed the inventor))))))
    8. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 14: 47
      +3
      In contrast to you, Maisie! A steam locomotive, a submarine, fighter aircraft, the same aircraft carriers, helicopters, hydrofoils, air cushions, hydroplanes, rocket launchers. Everything was invented and embodied in the Union and long-standing Russia. Not everything went into series. , so, I absolutely agree with you on everything. Besides one. The Chinese, nevertheless, understand the biological essence of man more than anyone else. Their medicine is beyond praise. Only they do not advertise it. It's a pity. How many people could to rescue. hi
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 21 January 2014 14: 57
        +1
        Not Macey, but MANSE. And that's right
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 15: 07
          +1
          Nope. Take an interest, however! hiI'm talking about the profile.
    9. baltika-18
      baltika-18 21 January 2014 16: 57
      +2
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      China is home to one of the most significant inventions of human civilization, including the four great inventions of ancient China: paper, compass, gunpowder and printing

      They simply couldn’t invent gunpowder. The simplest gunpowder: saltpeter, sulfur, charcoal. To invent it, so that the components were at hand. There were never and no saltpeter in China, and even nearby. crap.
      1. bask
        bask 21 January 2014 18: 39
        +5
        China began to build a second aircraft carrier

        Now, only 2 countries will have a full-fledged aircraft carrier fleet.
        These are the USA and China.
        China, without any reservations, has become SUPERPOWER.
    10. Vadivak
      Vadivak 21 January 2014 19: 51
      +2
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      China is home to some of the most significant inventions.


      And where is the certainty that the Chinese invented it? But didn’t they steal it, as always?

      Before the Chinese, some kind of compass was used by the Indians. An ancient hematite product found in San Lorenzo Tenoctilan (Veracurs, Mexico

      before the Chinese, the ancient Egyptians learned to make paper material from the flattened stems of papyrus.

      The merit of the invention of gunpowder was assigned to the Chinese only on the basis of certain statements of missionaries - Jesuits made in the XVII and XVIII centuries. But there is a big and fat BUT. The missionaries had very little data, but had enormous respect for the history of China. They wrote that gunpowder was known to the Chinese back in 85 BC, but where is the evidence? If a person is engaged in some kind of invention, then he will probably keep notes or something like that. But the Chinese did not find any documents, small notes, or at least hints of this. Some scholars attribute the invention of gunpowder to the Greeks. Yes, they kept records, presented various chemical compositions, but none of them contained nitrate. The Greeks, trying to create gunpowder, neglected this substance. One can talk about the invention of real gunpowder starting from the middle of the XNUMXth century, when the British natural scientist Roger Bacon suggested a method for the purification of nitrate, which he published in his treatise Epistolaede Secretis Operibus.


      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      The Chinese also created large mechanical puppet theaters,


      I believe in that. You are irreplaceable in the household
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 22 January 2014 00: 23
        0
        In fact, paper and papyrus are the same different and the same things — like clay tablets and birch bark — you can write on both, but things are essentially different ...
      2. nerd.su
        nerd.su 22 January 2014 01: 46
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        Before the Chinese, some kind of compass was used by the Indians. An ancient hematite product found in San Lorenzo Tenoctilan (Veracurs, Mexico

        Well, you are a serious person - hematite does not have magnetic properties and products from it cannot be a compass.

        Quote: Vadivak
        If a person is engaged in some kind of invention, then he will probably keep notes or something like that. But the Chinese did not find any documents, small notes, or at least hints of this

        That is, the Chinese read European treatises and made gunpowder from memory? Also mixing the components by eye?

        Quote: Vadivak
        I believe in that. You are irreplaceable in the household

        The mechanical theater testifies to the development of precision mechanics. In the second century AD, the Chinese made the first seismograph, which recorded the beginning of the earthquake and the direction from the device to the epicenter. Already something. Mechanical watches, again, the Chinese were among the first to do.
    11. Flooding
      Flooding 21 January 2014 20: 49
      +2
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      The invention of gunpowder (at least in the 10th century) caused a number of unique inventions, such as a burning spear, land mines, sea mines, squeals, exploding cannonballs, multi-stage rockets and rockets with aerodynamic wings.

      You forgot the invention of the kite and fan.
      And as for the palm in the invention of gunpowder, there are other opinions.
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    13. intsurfer
      intsurfer 21 January 2014 23: 15
      +1
      and they also came up with bills in the 8th century A.D. (details on wiki) - because it was dangerous to carry cash. ;)
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  3. Pirr
    Pirr 21 January 2014 14: 43
    0
    Quote: Tersky
    So separate, flies and cutlets. What is their intelligence? In the invention of gunpowder? And that’s all, and that’s in question. Now put together all that they have achieved from what was transmitted to them or stolen by them. Is this your intellect? Only the scum of their achievements in philosophy, they are not related to material achievements. Minus return.

    China is gradually taking the leading position in the world in the field of experimental development and scientific research. By the number of patented inventions, the number of publications and citation indexes in 2013, China will surpass Japan, coming to the net 2-th place in the world after the United States. In terms of the number of published scientific papers, China almost caught up with the States and is more likely to overtake them in this indicator in the near future. Such conclusions were made by members of the Royal Society of Great Britain (which is an analogue of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Russia), who appreciated the recent successes of various countries in carrying out scientific activities.

    British researchers analyzed a number of indicators, including the number of articles that were published and reviewed in periodical scientific journals (source Scopus scientific articles database). By the number of scientific publications, China has reached the 2-th place. The United States is traditionally located on the first, but if the share of American scientific articles from 1993 to 2003 was at the level of 25%, then from 2004 to 2008 it fell to 21%. During the same time, the same indicator of China grew from 4,4% to 10,2%, which allowed China to take off from 6 to 2 ranking position, passing the UK by the way (the percentage of English scientific works fell from 7,1% to 6,5%).
    Until recently, the main problem was that Chinese enterprises did not “digest” foreign technologies to create their own, national ones, often engaging in rather rough and mechanical copying, which was accompanied by copyright infringement. Moreover, Chinese experts have even created special methods for replicating and copying foreign technologies. This way is easier and cheaper, but the strategy of simple copying has fully developed its resource.

    In the coming 20 years, the industry and science of the PRC must respond to a new strategic challenge. According to the plans for the development of science and technology in China, by 2020, the country will have to reach the world level in 11-ti main areas of scientific activity, and in 3-5 positions in each of these areas to secure a leading position. By 2050, China expects to create a knowledge economy. In 2006, China adopted a long-term plan for the development of scientific activity, which implies an increase in the financing of science. By 2020, science plans to allocate up to 2,5% of GDP (now at the level of 1,5-1,7% of GDP).
    And what about Russia?
    So, for 2012, 2013, 2014, total funding of science is planned at such a level: 323, 327, 283 billion rubles. In terms of the share of GDP, funding for science will decline steadily: 0,55%, 0,51%, 0,39%. Almost half of this amount was actually allocated to Roscosmos and the Ministry of Industry and Trade, that is, not to “fundamental science” in the general sense of the word — universities and research institutes (in 2012, this is 149 billion rubles). Another 12 billion rubles is allocated to Rosatom, from which the most powerful research institutions are rapidly (and not painlessly) transferred to the Kurchatov Institute: ITEP in Moscow and PNPI in Gatchina.
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 21 January 2014 15: 27
      +5
      Quote: Pirr
      In the next 20 years, China's industry and science should respond to a new strategic challenge. According to the plans for the development of science and technology in China, by 2020 the country will have to reach the world level in 11 main areas of scientific activity, and in 3-5 positions in each of these areas to secure a leading position

      Excuse me, where did you copy it from? It is painfully giving away reports from the CCP congress about plans for the next five-year period. As for their technological and industrial successes, relying on their developments, I will say according to Stanislavsky- I DO NOT BELIEVE! Do not forget, these are ASIANs, they are throwing dust in their eyes, cheating, stealing is normal. The economic miracle of the Middle Kingdom lies in the strategic mistake of the United States, which had previously withdrawn its main industrial production to China. I in no way detract from the dignity of the hardworking billion people. They will build an aircraft carrier, as well as a new generation fighter, BUT, they will be Chinese just as much as they steal, copy or acquire at a cheap price.
  4. nerd.su
    nerd.su 21 January 2014 21: 45
    +1
    Quote: Tersky
    What is their intelligence? In the invention of gunpowder? And that’s all, and that’s in question.

    Well, if you go into such a long time, then the Chinese have a compass, silk, porcelain, the first deep coal mines and wells for the extraction of salt from brines. There are even allegations that the Chinese used natural gas BC. and built gas pipelines from bamboo, but that’s already pi ... well, I think laughing
    But irrigation facilities and shipping channels with locks up to 2000 km long, this is a fact. Like the Great Wall of China. In order to do such things, a powerful state apparatus is needed. Therefore, taking exams is also Chinese know-how. And a hundred pounds, corruption also appeared in them, only called in Chinese laughing

    Quote: Tersky
    Now put together all that they have achieved from what was transmitted to them or stolen by them. Is it your intellect?

    But if one so argues, then in the USSR nothing new was invented in technology, all copies and modernizations of Western products. It must also be borne in mind that they do not need a lot of the things that they do in FIG. Spoons, for example. But this is a product, they make it and sell it. What, also someone's intellectual property was stolen laughing
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  6. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 22 January 2014 08: 16
    0
    I don’t think the Chinese “fiery spear” was that gunpowder. Still, one should lean towards the experiments of Bartold Schwartz, because the formula of the explosive has not yet undergone any changes. Although there were facts of the use by the Chinese of gunpowder in treatment (disinfection of wounds, shock arrest of blood during amputation)
    The Chinese have been clearly working to create a superpower for about 90 years. Everyone knows the methods for achieving this goal; if it is not possible to invent, you need to buy an invention or experience and bring the work to the standard. Back in the 80s, our design bureaus strictly warned about how important it was to keep developments secret from the Chinese. Russia at that time also also bought from the Romans (Byzantium) and the Latins (here more understandable) the secrets of steelmaking, the method of making armor (we studied the Milanese armor length and breadth). This is generally normal world practice, there is nothing overwhelming.
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 January 2014 17: 17
      0
      Fireworks are just powder. And the Chinese have rather big prerequisites - the same large reserves of sulfur and nitrate, active experiments with them.
      I am just closer to the opinion that Berthold Schwartz "invented" gunpowder, in the trash heap of the Chinese embassy. By the way, it is very popular with a number of researchers.
  • sscha
    sscha 21 January 2014 13: 05
    0
    So you should ignore their "intellectual right", damn it! bully hi
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  • pavlo007
    pavlo007 21 January 2014 17: 02
    0
    I confirm completely. It is very dangerous to deal with them, to send an advance payment is very much to provoke them to throw a thing - only in stages, while they themselves never give a delay in payment.
    I know a lot of people who had problems, having relaxed, having worked before that with the Germans and other British.
    Under honest terms, take off you can’t work under any circumstances - throw at the first opportunity.
  • Tersky
    Tersky 21 January 2014 12: 42
    +1
    Quote: Old Cynic
    In vain you are so, dear, oh in vain ...

    Maybe ..... by copying. Intellectuals unsurpassed ....
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 21 January 2014 12: 53
      +13
      Quote: Tersky
      Maybe ..... by copying. Intellectuals unsurpassed ....

      They also develop-upgrade.

      At the 2nd session of the 12th meeting of people's representatives of Liaoning Province, Wang Ming, chairman of the meeting (concurrently and secretary of the provincial committee of the CCP), informed the deputies that the construction of a new Chinese aircraft carrier had begun at the Dalniy shipyard (Dalian). It is planned to be completed in 6 years. In total, the Chinese fleet plans to have 4 such ships.
      Well, then there are fabrications of "iksperts":
      - they say, the 2nd will be with an ordinary power plant and without catapults,
      - and here is the 3rd - already with catapults and atomic
      - in / and 70-90.000t

      They began to build something.
      On the face of the basis of the USSR + mattress "experience" = Chinese "waffle".
  • yehat
    yehat 21 January 2014 12: 50
    +3
    most of the Chinese remained dense, as everyone is used to THINK,
    but there are already quite a few others
    2 generations of students who studied abroad grew up
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  • strannik595
    strannik595 21 January 2014 13: 20
    +4
    sometimes it’s even useful from aircraft carriers, so let them build wink
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 16: 24
      +1
      To me, that little white one, on the port side, wrap it up!
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  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 21 January 2014 12: 47
    +4
    Do not worry, who is now the worst from this news, it's those who have unresolved problems with China on the disputed islands in the APR. Well, in the states, too, do not pee from "happiness". Only one thing killed - "In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on" its own intellectual rights. " Intellectuals, damn it ...... I will repeat once more - China is a very smart-ass ally ... You shouldn't build any special illusions about our "quick-eyed friends" ...
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 21 January 2014 14: 35
      -2
      Can we strike a preemptive strike until the yellow ones have become an absolute hegemon? We are adults and we are fully aware that no one in the world needs a strong China, especially us Russians. The ideal China for us is poor and fragmented, and even better - once and for all forever gone overnight. It would be completely good if there are not a single Chinese left on the planet. There are too many people on Earth and solving the demographic problem of humanity at the expense of China seems to be the best outcome.
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 14: 57
        +2
        Arseny! Something aggressive you, however! While there is time, China supports us. And its policy is not directed against us (for now, though) They have enough of their own troubles. Well, why destroy so many people, most of whom are civilians? And also, with a retaliatory strike, and China is capable of this and it’s not hard for us to get there, they’re not fools either. And after our Armageddon, again mattresses will come out to the kings, forever? Nifiga. Here I do not agree with you.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 21 January 2014 16: 07
          +1
          When the USSR fell, civilians, too, died darkness and darkness. But not one of the world community turned around.
          Or remember the American Dropshot plan. Then you planned to seriously turn the Soviet Union into the ocean. Or at least a scorched radioactive desert where even microbes do not live. So my words look much more merciful and humane than the American plans - after all, Dropshot was not canceled - it was only postponed .
          1. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 16: 33
            +1
            When the Union fell, discord began, bloody, tough. All the former republics experienced rampant crime. Dropshot-to him in response to the words of Stalin (this, of course, a fiction) -Pacific-Atlantic Canal, under the control of Mexico, with the island of Canada-must be provided with vital equipment. "It is still relevant.
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 22 January 2014 03: 36
            +2
            Quote: Basarev
            Dropshot's American plan ... planned to turn the Soviet Union into an ocean. Or at least a scorched radioactive desert, where even microbes do not live ... Dropshot was not canceled - only postponed.

            I propose to clarify a few.
            1. Dropshot's predecessors were: Totality, Pincher, Broiler, Frolik, Sizzle, Troyan.
            2. Dropshot is a plan for a large-scale air operation against the USSR using 300 atomic bombs on 200 Soviet cities and conventional weapons to destroy at least 85% of the economic potential of the Soviet Union. He had 2 options and 4 stages of the operation. Along with the mass destruction of the Soviet population by atomic bombing provided for the complete occupation of its entire territory, which exceeded even Hitler's delusional designs. (It did not mention microbes and the ocean).
            3. Dropshot was canceled by the "Shakedown" (1950) plan. According to it, in the regions of Moscow and Gorky, it was supposed to deliver nuclear strikes with 20 atomic bombs, at Leningrad - 12, industrial regions of the Volga and Donetsk - 52, objects in the Caucasus - 15, Vladivostok and Irkutsk - 15 atomic bombs. In total, it was planned to use 220 atomic bombs in 104 cities of the USSR.
            4. Further plans for a nuclear war against us were outlined in the presidential directives on state security issues. For example, the SIOP-5D plan (directive No.59) included four main options for US nuclear attacks: massive (across the entire range of major political, military and economic targets), selective, limited and regional. They were planned in the form of anticipatory and reciprocal counter.
            In total, at least 4 thousand objects for nuclear destruction were listed on the territory of the USSR, including about 2 thousand were identified as objects of primary attack.
            All of them were grouped into four main groups: nuclear forces, general forces, command posts of political and military leadership, economic and industrial facilities. Similar plans exist today. On them (partially) are conducted KSHU SNF and SKSHVI aircraft.
            We pay our opponents reciprocity.
      2. Pirr
        Pirr 21 January 2014 15: 18
        +1
        Quote: Basarev
        We are adults and we are fully aware that nobody in the world needs a strong China, especially us Russians.

        But the Belarusians are just right. We have a lot of joint projects with China. China opened a credit line for us for 15 !!! billion dollars. Besides Russia, it is our most important ally. And they don't like rabid racists in Belarus. And does China prevent Russia from "dancing"? Or maybe it’s something else, like a joke about a bad dancer?
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 21 January 2014 15: 51
          +1
          is China preventing Russia from "dancing"? Or maybe it’s something else, like a joke about a bad dancer? ... No. It's just that China increasingly began to copy our "dances" ... And for that you can get hit in the face ... On the impudent, quick-eyed face ...
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 21 January 2014 16: 10
          +2
          Belarus is only a fragment of Russia. Sooner or later, Belarusians will triumphantly return to Russia. And as for the dancer, it was said more than once - a good dancer interferes with a bad dancer.
          1. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 16: 58
            +3
            Well, not a splinter, actually. A self-sufficient country with an adequate president. It’s not known whether they will become part of Russia. They decide for themselves. And, in Belarus, unlike us, quieter. God forbid to lose such an ally and brother, but by kindred sister.
      3. Danash I
        Danash I 21 January 2014 15: 54
        -1
        What a childhood !? Have you ever had to keep a living person on the fly?
  • avg
    avg 21 January 2014 12: 58
    +1
    Quote: Tersky
    China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual property rights."

    But can anyone doubt looking into these honest slanting eyes? repeat
    Well, if only the revisionists request
  • A.YARY
    A.YARY 21 January 2014 13: 13
    +8
    Victor, good day
    Worse for someone or not but, I envy their determination and consistency.
    Here's the "shortcomings of the planned economy", here's "disproportionate militarism", in general, all those clichés that have been snatched to us from Humpback to the present day.
    And the Chinese "Tiger" with the stubbornness of the oxpulls and pulls a cart under the direction of COMMUNIST PARTY and his successes-EVERYONE-dab us in a bunch of Mr. and us heaped up by ourselves.
    I envy them .....

    PySy
    But there were prophets in the Fatherland!
    http://www.ogoniok.com/common/archive/2005/4890/11-62-62/11-62-1b.jpg
    1. yehat
      yehat 21 January 2014 13: 28
      +3
      disproportionate militarism took place, but it would be a monstrous mistake to associate it with the country's system. I think that the imposed arms race and the associated forced moves, as well as the subsidized model of supporting the allies have led to "excessiveness."
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    3. Tersky
      Tersky 21 January 2014 13: 36
      +4
      Quote: A.YARY
      but, I envy their determination and consistency.

      This cannot be taken away from them, Andrey, hi !
    4. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 21 January 2014 14: 05
      +2
      that's right! I also talk about this all the time, but the rams keep repeating their "copywriters and copywriters"
      and a person doesn’t care which bullet they fill up, licensed or copied
    5. Basarev
      Basarev 21 January 2014 14: 36
      0
      The tiger can't handle the Bear!
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 15: 03
        +1
        How to say it. It is debatable. Both are quite powerful and smart. The tiger is slightly inferior in strength, but superior in speed of movement. By the way, the old hunters talked about the case we had on Inerkan - there was a case of a clash between Amursky and Burym. The tiger died, but the bear did not last long lived. I do not know more cases.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 21 January 2014 16: 20
          0
          So be it, but it’s still worth it - at least for a day to survive the last Chinese. The realization that China will never be a threat again is breathtaking.
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 21 January 2014 13: 26
    +6
    Quote: ///
    China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."


    Thank you, we are in the know for a long time
  • servant.
    servant. 21 January 2014 16: 58
    0
    Quote: Tersky
    Intellectuals, damn it ....


    And on a computer not made in China, knock on the keys! It's a shame and a shame that China jumped us .... Draw conclusions and go ahead and not throw poop!
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 21 January 2014 19: 20
      +1
      Quote: serviceman.
      It's a shame and a shame that China jumped us .... Draw conclusions and go ahead and not throw poop!

      poop is flying just from you. Where did he jump? In boorish theft, not covered by anything? In the fact that to this day I have to buy single copies of everything and everything for the subsequent "modernization" with the assignment of the hieroglyph and numbers, thereby asserting the "copyright" rights to the product to which they have nothing to do, and once again confirming their "intelligence" in part copying and plagiarism. In terms of the computer, Zimbwave can also produce, but this does not mean that the computer is the brainchild of the Negro mind. I return the minus.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 21 January 2014 21: 33
      +1
      Quote: serviceman.
      And on a computer not made in China, knock on the keys!


      Duck production and not invention, Sberbank will soon begin to collect fiats on ZIL, what is it a matter of pride?
  • Nick
    Nick 21 January 2014 20: 21
    +3
    Quote: Tersky
    Only one thing killed - "In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on" its own intellectual rights. " Intellectuals, damn it ...

    What will they be? They do not plan to attach their aircraft carriers, so you will not show anything.
    We copied the Tu-4 with the B-29 and nothing, the Americans wiped it off ...
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 21 January 2014 20: 40
      +1
      Quote: Nick
      We copied the Tu-4 with the B-29 and nothing, the Americans wiped it off ...

      A well-known fact, but no such claim was made on the basis of “own intellectual rights”. hi !
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 21 January 2014 20: 48
        -3
        After all, present it to Comrade Stalin! I would quickly shut up my throat. Empire !!!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 21 January 2014 20: 56
          -1
          But what, stupidly zaminusit it in a manly way? Can you justify it, if a man! Or ssykl? Have already got such
      2. nerd.su
        nerd.su 21 January 2014 21: 57
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        A well-known fact, but no such claim was made on the basis of “own intellectual rights”.

        Then the rhetoric was different. That a thread like "the achievements of Soviet engineers and designers, the power of Soviet industry" was voiced.
        Yes, it is clear that the Chinese copied the aircraft carrier. But this also requires intelligence. We won GLONASS before the Americans made their GPS. However, "almost" does not count in harsh reality.
  • RUSSIA 2013
    RUSSIA 2013 22 January 2014 08: 37
    0
    I don’t understand why we are not stubbornly building aircraft carriers, in the Soviet Union we had 4 in my opinion, because we needed them, but now we don’t have bases, we have 1 Tartus and it’s questionable in Cyprus, the modern doctrine is that we need them like air, Kuznetsov’s example cannot help but undergo reconstruction, but he’s not a seven-core one, and we don’t get around an aircraft carrier strike squadron, the impression is that they do not want to strengthen our fleet.
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    2. clidon
      clidon 22 January 2014 17: 19
      0
      Where do we get the money from? An aircraft carrier is not just a ship, it is a concept. And very expensive.
    3. Nick
      Nick 22 January 2014 19: 09
      0
      Quote: RUSSIA 2013
      I don’t understand why we are not stubbornly building aircraft carriers, in the USSR we had 4 in my opinion

      The aircraft carriers, in the full sense of the word, the USSR did not build. In the USSR, aircraft carriers were built.
      1. clidon
        clidon 22 January 2014 19: 42
        0
        These were more of a problem of terminology and domestic carrier-based aviation.
  • severbob
    severbob 21 January 2014 13: 38
    0
    to protect Artika, such a thing is needed, and even very
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 21 January 2014 14: 38
      +2
      But the Chinese nose is completely devoid of ice-breaking. However, this is on hand for us - there will be less rabble to climb into our Arctic
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 21 January 2014 15: 19
        +1
        Quote: Basarev
        But the Chinese nose is completely devoid of ice-breaking. However, this is on hand for us - there will be less rabble to climb into our Arctic


        Meanwhile, by 2020, the Navy plans to adopt 8 submarines of the BOREY project, and they "feel" very well in the Arctic.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 21 January 2014 14: 23
    -2
    We, too, are not embroidered - the second Orlan is on the way. And after him we will build another dozen such boats. And we should also remember that the development of the nuclear carrier cruiser is already underway.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 January 2014 02: 43
      +1
      Quote: Basarev
      the second Orlan is on the way. And after him we’ll build another dozen such ships.

      Project 1144 in total 4 ships were built. The last one is 1144.2 "Peter the Great". As of 14.01.2014/03/02, the Russian Navy included - 06 units. Among them: SF -2013 ("Peter" - standing, "Nakhimov" - repair, modernization since 01. XNUMX); Pacific Fleet - XNUMX ("Lazarev" - in reserve).
      According to the shipbuilding program (GOZ) - "such ships", we will not build until 2020.
      So you have to moderate the puppy's delight: the fleet is an expensive, technically difficult thing, requiring great labor costs, both for the construction of ships and for their maintenance.
  • morpex
    morpex 21 January 2014 16: 05
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...

    Don’t worry !!! By 2020 we will have five pieces !!! URRaaa !!! Comrades .... wassat
    But seriously ... Then yeah ... Matyutsya want ... Very indecent word ..
    Promises alone ...
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 21 January 2014 19: 34
    0
    WHAT ENJOYMENT - SPECIFICLY I HAVE AN EVILITY FOR SORRY ABOUT PRO .... NUT TIME DISAPPOINTED PROPERTY WHICH NOW SERVES YELLOW FACED AND TODAY'S BADDER WHEN TALKING A MINISTRY AND I AM POSSIBLE.
  • starshina78
    starshina78 21 January 2014 19: 44
    0
    When? When will we read the news that in Russia they have laid down a new aircraft carrier? I'm afraid I won’t wait!
  • Nick
    Nick 21 January 2014 20: 17
    0
    Quote: Stiletto
    Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...

    In this case, you can only experience a feeling of white envy ...
  • AVV
    AVV 21 January 2014 21: 17
    0
    No need to envy, everything has its time !!! But first you need to restore what was destroyed in the 90s !!!
  • Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 21 January 2014 22: 43
    +1
    It's okay, it will be Chinese ..
  • alone
    alone 21 January 2014 23: 00
    0
    Quote: Stiletto
    Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...


    By the way, I did not know that aircraft carriers are considered weapons for self-defense))
  • Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 21 January 2014 11: 58
    +12
    China began to build a second aircraft carrier

    Their pace and ardor can only stop:
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 21 January 2014 12: 22
      +6
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Their pace and ardor can only stop:

      May there not be a marked Namba that, not that nation. They have long studied all our mistakes that led to the collapse of the USSR, including this Judas. The Chinese are a rational nation - in everything they learn from the mistakes of others as well as technologies.
    2. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 21 January 2014 12: 23
      +8
      Our yellow brothers will not allow such a tapeworm in their intestines. They will immediately dust him ... Then they will shackle him to a chair and put him an audio version of the complete publication of Mao's poems in Burundian at a level of 174 decibels.

      Himself will die ...
    3. evgenii67
      evgenii67 21 January 2014 12: 24
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Their pace and fervor can only stop

      Garbachun Lee
    4. DPN
      DPN 21 January 2014 12: 31
      +1
      It’s a pity that they don’t have such a JUDA.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 21 January 2014 14: 40
        0
        But from the Governor and the Yars of the Chinese, not a single nose protects
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 January 2014 02: 19
          +1
          Quote: Basarev
          But from the Governor and the Yars of the Chinese, not a single nose protects

          Oh how! And I didn’t know that China is at intercontinental distance from us!
          PS. When you write comments - think. You do not know, ask smart people: maybe, in addition to emotions, knowledge is also needed?
    5. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 15: 05
      +1
      He has already stopped. Not only the Chinese.
    6. Cherdak
      Cherdak 21 January 2014 17: 51
      +2
      The branded dGacon does not wait for its fate.
  • Antibrim
    Antibrim 21 January 2014 12: 00
    +1
    I’m fond of a copy of the Varangian, they themselves come up with a shit, but the master work under the carbon copy!
    1. Vova
      Vova 21 January 2014 12: 21
      +1
      At Varyag, only rivets can be copied for the new Chinese aircraft carrier
      1. Antibrim
        Antibrim 21 January 2014 20: 38
        0
        so Varyag unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier cruiser, if you do not know at least do not write nonsense.
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 21 January 2014 12: 00
    +4
    "The Chinese authorities claim that the arms build-up is being conducted solely for self-defense purposes."

    The Americans, too, in principle, for self-defense, they are purely defensive weapons, yeah.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 21 January 2014 12: 39
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      purely defensive weapons, yeah.
      ...... especially from Bedouins and Australian Aborigines, some constantly threaten the integrity of the United States with boomerangs, others with arrows. WMD, you know ... Eugene, hi !
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 January 2014 12: 56
        +2
        Quote: Tersky
        especially from Bedouins and Australian Aborigines,

        Trinidad and Tobago are also talking about developing nuclear weapons.
        Victor, hi
  • VADEL
    VADEL 21 January 2014 12: 01
    +7
    Today seems to be China Day.
  • T-100
    T-100 21 January 2014 12: 09
    +1
    In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."

    Since when did the achievements of foreign countries overcame by China become their own intellectual base))))
  • moremansf
    moremansf 21 January 2014 12: 14
    +2
    China is the supporting edge of the East, its earner and smith ...
    And envy is brothers and not bad, the mess would come to an end !!!
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 21 January 2014 12: 16
    +2

    In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."
    lol laughing wassat
    Although, if our people pioneer something, and do something useful for the country, I will not be upset.
  • vkrav
    vkrav 21 January 2014 12: 17
    -2
    ... And ukry (this is a scientific term coined by a great yusch! - do not touch censorship!) Tearing hair on the pope that hurried to cut the second aircraft carrier.
    1. rolik2
      rolik2 21 January 2014 12: 47
      -2
      Quote: vkrav
      ... And ukry (this is a scientific term coined by a great yusch! - do not touch censorship!) Tearing hair on the pope that hurried to cut the second aircraft carrier.

      And I thought that for the winter banderlog went to warmer climes, but no, I stayed at home alone)))
      You are a darago when you turn on a pomelo brain try not to turn off))
      "Ulyanovsk" was not built by Ukraine, but the weight of the Soviet Union, during its collapse, not only the CUSTOMER was lost, but also all the contracting enterprises, and alone Ukraine was simply not able to build it.
      And unlike you, we don’t tear the hair on the pope, because we understand that it was not real, but you don’t - that's why you have (banderlog) priest and bald laughing
      1. vkrav
        vkrav 21 January 2014 13: 17
        -1
        About the brain - yes ... you can do without it at all ... Now also declare that Varyag was built and sold by the Soviet Union ... Problems with the perception of printed text are not for me, this is for a psychiatrist .Build something "Ulyanovsk" Union, and cut - who ??? Try to guess! Damn, again a kindergarten for alternatively gifted for the holidays released ...
        1. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic 21 January 2014 14: 23
          0
          And after buying "Pathetic" Mistrals in his head - "complete Hollande" ...
        2. rolik2
          rolik2 21 January 2014 17: 08
          0
          Quote: vkrav
          Now declare that the Varyag uk.ry were built and the Soviet Union sold

          You don’t even have your cerebellum turned on, about where the Varangian was built, you can read it in independent sources, and note in Ukraine they don’t inflate the high type we built and Russians sell (I'm talking about Kiev, Minsk, Novorossiysk, Gorshkov)

          And they cut it for a simple reason, nobody needed it, and there was no money or opportunity to complete it.

          And nefig to me here to appoint guilty. I can just as well bring what the UNION was building and cut your compatriots.
          1. No Name
            No Name 21 January 2014 18: 21
            -1
            Quote: rolik2
            And they cut it for a simple reason, nobody needed it, and there was no money or opportunity to complete it.

            Could be completed and launched into the water - the costs are not more than during disposal. wink
            And then - the options. what
            Therefore, the Americans and fuss. wink
            1. rolik2
              rolik2 21 January 2014 20: 12
              +1
              Quote: No Name
              to complete and launch to the water - the costs are not more than during disposal.

              Are you really sure that you could finish building with 20% readiness? and where to get the stuffing? everything remained abroad (and not the fact that it was left and it was not put to needles) And for which SHI-SHI? in Ukraine, what at that time was free 3-4 billion dollars? And then to sell it to whom?
              Oh my God, Americans have been dragged here too. Are they ubiquitous?
              1. No Name
                No Name 21 January 2014 21: 51
                -1
                Quote: rolik2
                Are you really sure that you could finish building with 20% readiness? and where to get the stuffing? everything remained abroad (and not the fact that it was left and was not put to needles)

                Meant - to complete the building in order to lower it into the water and release the slipway. At a cost - about the same as sawing. smile
                Quote: rolik2
                Oh my God, Americans have been dragged here too. Are they ubiquitous?

                Read:
                http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/reports/view/44741/
                1. rolik2
                  rolik2 21 January 2014 22: 10
                  0
                  Quote: No Name
                  Meant - to complete the building in order to lower it into the water and release the slipway.

                  And then what to do with this case? Well completed and then?
      2. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 21 January 2014 14: 22
        -1
        And I thought that the banderlogs for the winter went to warmer climes, but no one stayed at home


        And who, poor thing, left you alone in the house?

        Macaulay Culkin, re-login !!! You failed ... And it's not the parash's fault ... By the way, do you know how to spell the word "PARASH ... T"?
    2. mamba
      mamba 21 January 2014 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: vkrav
      ... And uk.ry tearing hair on the pope that hurried to cut the second aircraft carrier.

      Hardly. In any form, it would go at the price of scrap metal at a readiness level of 18% by the end of 1991. It was impossible to tow it either to China or to India, since a large, but still part of the body of the nuclear aircraft carrier was formed. In addition, the Chinese had nothing to copy it on. It is unlikely that Russia would sell to China the entire set of documentation for the ship.
      The Americans divorced the Ukrainians like suckers, waving them money for future orders, if only they freed up a place on the slipway of the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant No. 444 in Nikolaev, and then the Americans preferred to forget about their promises.
      The Ukraine missile cruiser, the fourth ship of Project Atlant 1164, built at a shipyard in Nikolaev, with 95% readiness, does not seem to be very annoying to Ukraine, although it has been idle since 1993.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 21 January 2014 14: 45
        -2
        They also say: "Suckers need to be milked." Then the Ukrainian government milked everything - even we. They took out of Ukraine the whole atom, Admiral Kuznetsov and a bunch of White Swans. And the Ukrainian rulers could well have kept all this wealth. But they did not want to.
        1. mamba
          mamba 21 January 2014 15: 40
          +2
          Quote: Basarev
          Then the Ukrainian government milked everything, even we. They took out the whole atom from Ukraine, Admiral Kuznetsov and a bunch of White Swans.

          August 24, 1991 under the jurisdiction of Ukraine passed: 14 motorized rifle, 4 tank, 3 artillery divisions and 8 artillery brigades, 4 special forces brigades, 2 airborne brigades, 9 air defense brigades, 7 regiments of combat helicopters, three air armies (about 1.100 combat aircraft ) and a separate air defense army. The strategic nuclear forces deployed in Ukraine had 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles, as well as about 2.600 tactical nuclear weapons. By the beginning of 1992, 1.240 nuclear warheads, 133 RS-18 strategic missiles, 46 RS-22 strategic missiles, 564 cruise missiles for bombers and about 3.000 tactical nuclear weapons were located in Ukraine. After the decision not to keep the united armed forces in the CIS, they were dismantled (partially with US financial support) and exported to Russia.
          "Admiral Kuznetsov" barely managed to get away from under Kravchuk's nose on the eve of the Ukrainian referendum.
          Of the 1.100 combat aircraft Ukraine got: 30 Tu-16 (missile carriers), 30 Tu-22KD (missile carriers), 30 Tu-22R (reconnaissance aircraft), 36 Tu-22M3, 23 Tu-95MS-16, 19 Tu-160, 21 aircraft -fueller Il-78. In 1992, Ukraine also received most of the aviation of the USSR Black Sea Fleet, including a division (three regiments) of Tu-22M2 and Tu-16K naval missile carriers, and a reconnaissance regiment on Tu-22R. The Ukrainians began to cut the "White Swans" into metal for the money of the Americans. Out of 19 Tu-160s, only 9 cars were saved, which Russia returned to itself in payment of the Ukrainian debt for the supplied natural gas in the amount of $ 285 million.
          Quote: Basarev
          And the Ukrainian rulers could very well have been able to preserve all this wealth. But they did not want to.

          They could not, although they really wanted to. Not a hat for Senka. But the dough was cut down notably.
        2. rolik2
          rolik2 21 January 2014 17: 10
          +2
          Quote: Basarev
          And the Ukrainian rulers could very well have been able to preserve all this wealth. But they did not want to.

          Can explain
          What for?
          and how?
          And most importantly For what money?
      2. EvgenE46
        EvgenE46 21 January 2014 18: 19
        +2
        I remember in 1991 we studied at the fleet aviation training center in Nikolaev, when the Varangian was being completed at the wall. We were then intensely agitated into his team. It has long been ... And now the monkeys are jumping on it ...
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 21 January 2014 12: 24
    +1
    They are defended by a small, coastal fleet, the AUG (and in the future the 4th!) Do not belong to it. With such an ally, it is necessary to keep an ear to the sharpest.
  • Salamander
    Salamander 21 January 2014 12: 35
    +1
    An aircraft carrier is good (for China), but they forget something about submarines ... Most of them cannot even go to sea (the article was on VO) ... That is, they can not do much against America. Aircraft carriers will be covered with a copper basin with the help of one or two Amer’s submarines - and that’s all ...

    Although I may confuse something laughing
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 21 January 2014 14: 19
      -1
      They have 40 diesel engines.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 21 January 2014 14: 48
        -1
        Here are just a world leader in underwater technology, to the grief and shame of some target audience, not the United States and especially not China, but ... Russian girl. One Ash is worth anything! Even with weakened characteristics regarding the initial Soviet project, it surpasses everything that was created in this area. And Northwind is even cooler.
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 22 January 2014 20: 10
          0
          And what is it about Yasen? Many technologies are generally from 3-generation nuclear submarines. Just because there are more missiles on it doesn't make it better. And Borey compare with Ohio and clubs with Trident-2.
          Those same Americans have been using water cannons, electronic periscopes for a long time, their boats are quieter, with torpedoes we have a complete ahtung, and then you declare leadership?
  • DPN
    DPN 21 January 2014 12: 36
    +2
    The Chinese, of course, GOOD FELLOWS managed to save the country and stride widely, if only this would not turn against Russia.
  • bvi1965
    bvi1965 21 January 2014 12: 39
    +2
    Quote: AntiBrim
    I’m fond of a copy of the Varangian, they themselves come up with a shit, but the master work under the carbon copy!

    Quote: Vova
    At Varyag, only rivets can be copied for the new Chinese aircraft carrier


    It will be larger than "Varyag" and thicker rivets.
  • mountain
    mountain 21 January 2014 13: 01
    0
    No matter how choked, stolen. There is no envy or respect for this country. Let, in fact, their clones show what they are worth.
  • REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 21 January 2014 13: 16
    +3
    Quote: mountain
    No matter how choked, stolen. There is no envy or respect for this country. Let, in fact, their clones show what they are worth.

    In my opinion, they are no longer bad at showing what their clones are worth in the automotive industry. Look around the dump trucks SHACMAN, HOWO, SHAANXI, HANIA, all lapped off from European prototypes. Take a car Cherie Tigo taken from Raf4, Hover 5 copy of Mitsubishi Outlander. And the people take it, which means they are satisfied with the price and quality. "Personally, I would never take a Chinese miracle." Therefore, I think the aircraft carrier will spit with them once.
    1. mountain
      mountain 21 January 2014 13: 56
      +3
      A member made of glass can also come in handy, but you just need to use it very carefully, with active actions, injuries are possible.
      1. jjj
        jjj 21 January 2014 16: 37
        +1
        And it's better to invite Baselin
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      3. Sergh
        Sergh 21 January 2014 17: 07
        +3
        Quote: REDBLUE
        Take cars Chery

        Hmm yeah!
        Our old friend took this CHERY a year ago, we all went to look, compare, touch, kick the wheels. Drugan was pleased both cheaply and angrily. A year has passed with a small one, I meet him at a large supermarket, we approach the parking lot to the cars, ah, I ask: well, how is CHERY? And he was surprised, Drugan spat for five or seven minutes, then silently parted.
        Here in my memory such a Chinese case. Very fresh.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 21 January 2014 13: 20
    +4
    China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."

    That's how the phrase hurts the eyes.
    Intellectual property rights and China, despite the fact that it's not riveted buckets from "pressed cardboard" (according to the Swedish Autoliv) and called cars, but just an aircraft carrier !?
  • Andrey77
    Andrey77 21 January 2014 13: 47
    +1
    In China, production is cheap. There are many workers, there is no winter in our understanding. From iPhone to ... Made in China. Previously, such a country was Japan.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 21 January 2014 14: 35
      0
      Quote: Andrey77
      In China, production is cheap.

      This topic goes out more and more every year. This is due to urbanization, when the third generation of former peasants lives in cities. This is a normal process after a violent explosion. CHINA understands that even 5-10 years and their economic attractiveness will come to an end, as well as the fact that they are almost at the peak of their development, according to the current economic model.
      That's why they moved. Those. by and large, in addition to potential expansion, building up the military-industrial complex is also a way to resolve the issue of where to get high-paying personnel. Well, not riveting yafon? Japhone can also farmers to make on the conveyor.
  • anarky
    anarky 21 January 2014 13: 58
    +2
    Che that becomes chilly looking at the neighbors. We need more Ash trees and strategic missile carriers ...
  • Altona
    Altona 21 January 2014 14: 21
    +2
    Quote: Papakiko
    At the 2nd session of the 12th meeting of people's representatives of Liaoning Province, Wang Ming, chairman of the meeting (concurrently and secretary of the provincial committee of the CCP), informed the deputies that the construction of a new Chinese aircraft carrier had begun at the Dalniy shipyard (Dalian). It is planned to be completed in 6 years. In total, the Chinese fleet plans to have 4 such ships.
    Well, then there are fabrications of "iksperts":
    - they say, the 2nd will be with an ordinary power plant and without catapults,
    - and here is the 3rd - already with catapults and atomic
    - in / and 70-90.000t
    They began to build something.
    On the face of the basis of the USSR + mattress "experience" = Chinese "waffle".

    ------------------------------------
    Have they already copied the design of the air finishers? Or are they still looking? An aircraft carrier is not a corvette, here, in addition to the hull, there are still many technical problems ...
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 21 January 2014 14: 34
      0
      Quote: Altona
      And they have already copied the design of the aerofinisher

      ... find where to buy bundledbully
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 21 January 2014 14: 35
    +3
    China most likely began to build a likeness of the Varangian, judging by the photo.
  • dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 15: 16
    +4
    Don’t hite China, guys. Better talk about their sites. Take a look at the video in Yu-T. Take a ride on their country on a piece of iron. I won’t say that I envy them, but about the increase in the provision of life, I’m stunned. We see them before ... If we compare the number of the population. They could. Yes, there are still a lot of people in poverty there. And, after all, they can handle it.
  • svp67
    svp67 21 January 2014 15: 23
    +2
    The only aircraft carrier is our former,
    Construction started in the northeast port of Dalian
    , and this is the Russian port of Dalniy built at the beginning (end) of the CER ... Something sad ...
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 16: 37
      +3
      And the icebreaker - "Polar Dragon" Development of Russia, was built in Ukraine. Sold for a penny. The Chinese brought it to mind, with the help of the Ukrainians.
  • vostok1982
    vostok1982 21 January 2014 15: 31
    +1
    Well, this is now the headache of the United States, not Russia. It is the United States that needs to maintain military superiority in each local area in order to remain a global hegemon and the main beneficiary of the financial system they created. For Russia it is beneficial. It is one thing to confront the Anglo-Saxons alone, and another is a crowd.
  • Ross
    Ross 21 January 2014 15: 37
    +1
    Quote: Teacher Onizuka
    The invention of gunpowder (at least in the 10th century) caused a number of unique inventions, such as a burning spear, land mines, sea mines, squeals, exploding cannonballs, multi-stage rockets and rockets with aerodynamic wings.

    Gunpowder was invented, but used for fireworks and fun. And the first gunpowder in hostilities began to be used by the original opponents of Han China - the ancestors of Genghis Khan, the Huns, etc.
  • zollstab
    zollstab 21 January 2014 16: 05
    +1
    I consider the slight irony over China's successes to be fundamentally wrong. As if later this would not turn into tears.
  • Partizan
    Partizan 21 January 2014 16: 10
    0
    Quote: rolik
    ..... If the slaves find out that one of them made such a great discovery, they will think too much of themselves.
    And the emperor ordered that the name of the slave be kept secret, and the inventor himself came up with an “honorable” death.
    Xerox still worked for them then. That's only in those days, to hide the fact of theft, they simply killed the inventor))))))

    that's right, the copier still worked for them then
    Quote: Pirr
    ...
    British researchers analyzed a number of indicators1, including the number of articles that were published and reviewed in periodical scientific journals (source database of scientific articles Scopus). By the number of scientific publications, China came in 2nd place ....

    Well, now the copier is working at full power!

    And what about the fact that "British researchers analyzed" there, it's just ridiculous, these same "British researchers" every week, judging by the reports on the Internet, "analyze" something and every week they present us with 1 - 2 well, just stunning sensations ...
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 21 January 2014 17: 14
      0
      Quote: Partizan
      it's just ridiculous, these same "British explorers" every week

      The funny thing is that these researchers do not publish these notes in Britain! Designed for foreign ... let them say, wash away from the start.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 21 January 2014 16: 12
    +1
    pace wide recourse
  • Partizan
    Partizan 21 January 2014 16: 14
    0
    Quote: Pirr

    China is gradually gaining a leading position in the world in the field of experimental development and research ....

    Why is it just still "coming out"? According to the copyright of scientific and technical ideas and scientific and technical achievements, it has long been "released" wherever possible.
  • Partizan
    Partizan 21 January 2014 16: 17
    0
    Quote: Papakiko
    ... Wan Ming told the deputies that the shipyard in the city of Dalniy (Dalian) had begun ...

    oh, they also copy the names of the settlements, well, a miracle country is simple.
  • Partizan
    Partizan 21 January 2014 16: 25
    -1
    Quote: morpex

    Don’t worry !!! By 2020 we will have five pieces! ...

    maybe, maybe ... but if one more farts appear - everything, write, it was gone ... but what about summer cottages, road complexes, suburban ?? olympiads yet? No, what for, aircraft carriers, damn it, cruisers on ...
    1. servant.
      servant. 21 January 2014 16: 56
      +4
      Taki and Serdyukov was going to build aircraft carriers, read http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/AW_XXI_01.html, and the new guidance along the way merges all these projects quietly! And all the equipment that is currently being delivered to the troops is being issued under contracts concluded by Serdyukov! The new leadership is only PR ...
  • Partizan
    Partizan 21 January 2014 16: 37
    0
    Quote: rolik2
    Quote: vkrav
    ... And ukry (this is a scientific term coined by a great yusch! - do not touch censorship!) Tearing hair on the pope that hurried to cut the second aircraft carrier.

    And I thought that banderlog .....
    "Ulyanovsk" was not built by Ukraine, but the weight of the Soviet Union, during its collapse, not only the CUSTOMER was lost, but all the contracting enterprises, and alone Ukraine was simply not able to .....

    that's for sure - uk.ry is not able, but what does anyone have to do with building - "the hair on the priest is tearing" it is still ukry
  • servant.
    servant. 21 January 2014 17: 23
    +2
    Quote: Sergh
    Quote: REDBLUE
    Take cars Chery

    Hmm yeah!
    Our old friend took this CHERY a year ago, we all went to look, compare, touch, kick the wheels. Drugan was pleased both cheaply and angrily. A year has passed with a small one, I meet him at a large supermarket, we approach the parking lot to the cars, ah, I ask: well, how is CHERY? And he was surprised, Drugan spat for five or seven minutes, then silently parted.
    Here in my memory such a Chinese case. Very fresh.


    In 2007 I had a little cheek, only positive impressions left for two years, but there was nothing to compare with, there was 10k before him, so I didn’t give a damn about it !!! By the way, he sold it not because he was bad, but because money for a new, higher class appeared. Those Chinese cars that are now sold with that cheerik and there’s nothing to compare but about our auto industry and reluctance to remember ... By the way, the Chinese sedan is recognized as the safest http://auto.mail.ru/article.html?id=44999. Where is our auto industry? Right in .... e !!!
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 17: 50
      +4
      My wife is a fielder. 10-year-old. I have a Chery-2 year old. Before him is Nissan Sunny. I have no problems. In picking up the acoustics, my mother is not upset. At -30 without problems. wheelbarrow.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 21 January 2014 18: 16
        0
        And I drive this Mr. Priora repeat .The rich have all become ...
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 18: 30
          +2
          It’s not a matter of wealth. I took Cheryuha — don’t believe it, your Priora is cheaper. But I took a new one. From China under my own power — excellent. Now there’s about 5 o'clock in the region. Full frills and a 5-year guarantee on the case, like Nissan 12! Good rattletone.
        2. servant.
          servant. 21 January 2014 18: 36
          +2
          Quote: Den 11
          And I drive this Mr. Priora repeat .The rich have all become ...

          Poverty is not a vice, it would not be possible to buy something more worthy, I would also go to AvtoVAZ ... And yet they started to improve the quality, but here are the prices .... In their class, foreign cars of the Russian assembly caught up with prices, but not in quality, alas ...
          I know people who have six in the garage next to a powertrain, but their friend is not just standing there actively driving her ..
  • D_L
    D_L 21 January 2014 17: 29
    +3
    China with its economy why not! Easily. The yuan will grow stronger as the fleet grows. But the Americans have something to think about.
    1. Power
      Power 21 January 2014 19: 41
      0
      It’s interesting that we are neighbors in China, and why should the Americans think for some reason?
      1. Memorandum
        Memorandum 21 January 2014 22: 16
        +1
        ... because it is a ship. That's when! Super! Tank! they’ll launch a super series, and then our people will worry ... :)
  • Partizan
    Partizan 21 January 2014 17: 31
    0
    Quote: serviceman.
    Taki and Serdyukov was going to build aircraft carriers, read https: //bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/ASCH_HHI_01.html, and the new leadership on the go merges all these projects quietly! And all the equipment that is currently being delivered to the troops is being issued under contracts concluded by Serdyukov! The new leadership is only PR ...

    so what? he just "stated" and just about the development, well, you can "develop" anything), and also added that there is no money and never will be as a minimum until 2020 - that is, as bee directly and said - when the cancer on the mountain whistles.

    quote: "The Russian Ministry of Defense has ordered the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) to develop an advanced design for a promising aircraft-carrying cruiser. According to Interfax, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said. He noted that funding for the construction of such ships by the Russian state armaments program for 2011- 2020 is not foreseen. "There is no such money until 2020, and we do not plan," the minister said.
    1. servant.
      servant. 21 January 2014 17: 36
      +4
      The new leadership of Moscow Region does not even state! Yes, and read the article and not pull out quotes! While the new leadership is reaping laurels from contracts concluded by Serdyukov ...
  • URAL72
    URAL72 21 January 2014 17: 34
    +5
    Quote: Basarev
    Come on. The Chinese are absolutely impossible to build their own never stolen nose. This is impossible even theoretically



    The Chinese aircraft carrier ocean platform, essentially a sea-based terminal ”- TMB, will have about 1000 meters in length and 200 meters in width, with a height of 35 meters (average 9-storey building).
    The terminal will have a draft of 4-6 m and a total displacement of 800 tons. The floating platform will be equipped with an autonomous energy system that will allow you to move around without the help of tugboats. According to the plan, TMB will be able to accommodate about 000 marines on its board (which is two and a half times more than in a project of a similar US naval base). On the upper deck, it is possible to place about 5 multipurpose fighters at the same time. Such a platform is able to completely replace the existing air base in Hong Kong. And in terms of capabilities to support the actions of the Navy and the maneuver of aviation, the TMB will significantly exceed any ground-based station.
    According to one expert, the construction of several TMBs (cruise home port) will not only violate the “protective chain of islands” that cover the continental territory of the United States in the Pacific Ocean, but also “force the United States into the background in the region.”
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 January 2014 02: 10
      +1
      Quote: URAL72
      The Chinese aircraft carrier ocean platform ... but also "will force the United States to recede into the background in the region."

      Extremely interesting info. I would like to get a reference.
      Essentially a problem. A kilometer-long hydro-technical construction DW = 800 thousand tons, inactive ... You can’t even imagine the joys of Amer. submariners!
      On the other hand. I can’t even imagine how many forces will need to be used to organize the universal defense of such a monster! And the fact that the axes and the Hornets will go to it from different directions and heights, and with minimal intervals of the approach of the KR to the goal - this does not even need to go to the shaman. This is in a conventional war, and if with the use of nuclear weapons, the very first WWII will sweep away all the aircraft on board from the deck.
      And then, this structure will immediately become the main goal for the Yankees aircraft carrier aircraft. Remember Midway, Iwo Jima ... No, I would not risk building such brontosaurs for the sake of a single rise in aviation. IMHO.
  • kelevra
    kelevra 21 January 2014 17: 55
    +1
    Here are nimble!
  • Conepatus
    Conepatus 21 January 2014 18: 40
    +2
    China has much less maritime borders than Russia. But the ambitions are enormous. But this is not the main thing, the main thing is that China is ready to invest in its ambitions, and in Russia they are reporting about another anti-diversion boat. Frankly speaking, reading about the next plans of China. , "the toad crushes"
    1. servant.
      servant. 21 January 2014 18: 47
      +4
      Quote: Conepatus
      Frankly speaking, reading about the next plans of China, "the toad crushes"


      There is such a thing ....
      It's a shame for over 20 years spent by the country on squandering what has been created for decades ....
    2. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 21 January 2014 18: 55
      +2
      Quote: Conepatus
      China, the sea borders, are much smaller than Russia

      Russia has almost no sea borders. Russia has ICE borders

      The length of the sea borders of the Russian state is 38 808 kilometers - of which 19 724 km pass along the coast of the Arctic Ocean: the Barents, Kara, Laptev, East Siberian and Chukchi seas. Where shipping without icebreakers is impossible, negative average annual temperature, icing, pack ice, hummocks and polar night. There are no major cities, no ports, or even military bases - the bare coast, the tundra. There is no one and no one to protect from. The use of surface warships in the Arctic is IMPOSSIBLE



      The remaining thousands of kilometers are located on the wild coast of the Far East and Kamchatka. The only developed places are the "puddle" of the Baltic and Black Seas - just a mockery of the "largest sea borders" of Russia

      Nothing like China where all industrial centers are located on the coast of the warm tropical sea



      China population density distribution
  • Megre
    Megre 21 January 2014 19: 13
    +9
    When he served in the Far East, he talked with the officers who took part in the hostilities in the border conflict on Damansky Island in 1969. Opinion about Chinese soldiers and officers: Extremely harsh, fanatical, not stinging their soldiers (what to say about the soldiers of the enemy). GENERAL OPINION EXTREMELY SERIOUS OPPONENT. And this at a time when the army of the Soviet Union was THE STRONGEST ARMY OF THE WORLD. Incidentally, it seemed very difficult to stop the five millionth army of China with small arms. The emphasis was on tank armies, aviation and tactical nuclear weapons. The fortified areas were designed to contain from a few days to a week and a half.
    PS My opinion is that China is our MAJOR OPPONENT, FOR I WILL APPLY FOR OUR TERRITORIES. Thanks to the authors of articles about the growing military power of China. These topics need to be raised. There is still time to prepare for a war with China or to prevent a war.
    1. Yura
      Yura 21 January 2014 21: 25
      +2
      My urgent mid-seventies, Amur region, and your opinion:
      that China is our MAJOR OPPONENT, FOR IT IS CLAIMING FOR OUR TERRITORIES. Thanks to the authors of articles about the growing military power of China. These topics need to be raised. There is still time to prepare for a war with China or to prevent a war.
      this is my opinion too. Everything about China is seriously and without jokes.
  • 120352
    120352 21 January 2014 19: 26
    +1
    Aircraft carrier, speak? And where did they get a 3D printer of this size?
    1. Xolod
      Xolod 21 January 2014 19: 46
      0
      Laughter, laughter, and on the tape, there has been news lately that the British will use 3D printing for the manufacture of spare parts for aircraft.
  • Xolod
    Xolod 21 January 2014 19: 45
    +1
    This is the pace of construction ... amazing.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 21 January 2014 21: 05
    +2
    Copying and building an aircraft carrier for China does not seem to be a major obstacle, even several. Another thing is that you need to complete the crews, create balanced air wings for everyone. Justify the use of these aircraft carriers and their main weapons - aircraft and helicopters. Prepare personnel for aviation. That requires much more time and money due to the specifics of use. Then you need to create basing points for these aircraft carriers, capable of supporting the life support of the ship when out of combat campaigns and for repairs. (Whatever happens, as with "Kuznetsov", which at the base exhausted his power plant to maintain the ship in good condition.) And on all this will take a lot of time and money. But since China is just beginning to master this direction in manning the Navy, there are still many mistakes to be made. And this is time and money again.
    If you want to know what kind of war the state is preparing for, see how and with what speed its armed forces are developing. Places of deployment, transport infrastructure for deployment, etc. in accordance with the usual canons of battle tactics and war strategies.
    So here you need to take into account multiple factors. And they are not in favor of the appearance of the carrier battle armada of China tomorrow.
    So, for me, let them build it. And Russia needs to look carefully at the fanged Dragon, because. his army was grown not only quantitatively, but also qualitatively. And who knows what will happen tomorrow. Not the fact that there is enough courage to press the red button ...
    1. Megre
      Megre 21 January 2014 21: 32
      +1
      I agree with you. In principle, it would be beneficial for us if they completely switched to the carrier fleet. But they can also work with the ground forces. Ten thousand tanks .... modern tanks! And pressing the red button will be difficult. If they explode at lightning speed, they will be in the depths of our territory. And to hit our population is not to hit the enemy. Theoretically calculate the places of possible tank breakthroughs, mine tactical nuclear mines at the nearest approaches to the border. And the most important conclusion is to make this theater of alleged military operations a priority and strengthen it in every way.
      PS But does our rulers have this understanding? There is probably a part of the political elite, but are they playing the main violin now?
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        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 22 January 2014 00: 16
          +1
          Only then these monkeys will have to recapture this territory. All these square kilometers of flax and fallen trees, permafrost, one and a half roads, all this will need to be returned under flocks of mosquitoes and midges the size of a palm.
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 22 January 2014 01: 31
          +1
          For the Temple of Chi Khinovka Respect! laughing

          But with the description of Western Siberia you have a bad time. Sinbad the sailor was the same boastful, but he somehow composed poetic ...
  • AGM-114
    AGM-114 21 January 2014 22: 52
    -2
    They build an aircraft carrier, and they get a cousin’s trough.
  • Azzi
    Azzi 22 January 2014 10: 17
    0
    In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."


    As expected, aircraft carriers similar to Liaoning will be built in Dalian. They will belong to the so-called STOBAR (Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery) type, in which the ship does not have a catapult, but is equipped with a springboard and aerofinners. According to the agency, the construction of aircraft carriers in Dalian is a logical decision of the authorities, since the shipyard, which was engaged in the completion of the purchased "Varyag", is well acquainted with the features of ships of this type. The construction of a fully Chinese aircraft carrier will take about six years.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2014/01/22/aircarrier/

    Still copies.