China began to build a second aircraft carrier

The second of the four planned aircraft carriers began to build in China, a source in the government said.

Construction began in the northeast port of Dalian and is designed for six years, according to Defense News, citing the leader of the Communist Party of Dalian Liaoning Province.

Creating two more aircraft carriers is in the project. Chinese authorities claim that the arms build-up is conducted solely for self-defense.

Now only one aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, is listed in the PRC Navy. This is a former Soviet heavy aircraft carrying cruiser "Varyag", purchased from Ukraine and modernized by Chinese experts. Liaonin can accommodate up to 30 aircraft. On the aircraft carrier to date, successfully tested on the take-off and landing of deck fighters.

Recall that last winter there was confirmation of the construction of nuclear aircraft carriers in China. In early May, it became known that the People's Liberation Army of China allocated a deck Aviation into the new formation of the Navy.

In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."

Comments

[Stiletto]

Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...

[Tersky]

Quote: Stiletto

Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...

Do not worry, who is now the worst from this news, it's those who have unresolved problems with China on the disputed islands in the APR. Well, in the states, too, do not pee from "happiness". Only one thing killed - "In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on" its own intellectual rights. " Intellectuals, damn it ...

[Old Cynic]

Intellectuals, damn it ....

In vain you are so, dear, oh in vain ...

[Intsurfer]

>> In vain you are so, dear, oh in vain ...

Moreover, they do not consider it shameful to deceive a weak counterparty and not even fulfill the contract if they understand that they will not be for it. Google a couple of articles on computer about the features of business in China. Very instructive.

[Old Cynic]

Sorry, but you have combined flies with cutlets that "is not smart"!

What does this have to do with the connection between intelligence and the rules of doing business? By the way, I can also google articles about the specifics of doing business in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, believe me! I do not think that there is to deceive the "weak counterparty" (but for this slogan - my personal thanks to you !!! In your notebook !!!) and so on there is nonsense.

Or are the words "intellect" and "cunning" (sorry) "disgusting" synonymous for you?

[Tersky]

Quote: Old Cynic

And here is the connection of intelligence and the rules of doing business?

So separate, flies and cutlets. What is their intelligence? In the invention of gunpowder? And that’s all, and that’s in question. Now put together all that they have achieved from what was transmitted to them or stolen by them. Is this your intellect? Only the scum of their achievements in philosophy, they are not related to material achievements. Minus return.

[Old Cynic]

And what made you so excited? That I do not consider the Chinese stupid? Well, sorry, our opinions do not coincide, alas! I confess, I do not consider stupid people who, through industrial espionage or simply copying something, can establish its serial industrial production.

I beg your pardon ...

[Tersky]

Quote: Old Cynic

That I do not consider the Chinese stupid? Well, sorry, our opinions do not coincide, alas!

I do not consider them stupid either, there isn’t this in my comments, but even to the intellectuals they like from Moscow to Beijing in a well-known position. If industrial espionage and theft pass into the category of intellectual virtues of a particular nation then, alas, our world is heading into the abyss.

[Old Cynic]

our world is rolling into the abyss.

Have you still doubted? You probably have blue eyes and pink glasses ...

If espionage and theft pass into the category of intellectual virtues

No, what are you talking about ... to organize industrial espionage and industrial theft in the interests of YOUR country can only be a stupid person, here I completely agree with you! There is no place for an intellectual here, much less for a Chinese ... Like there, in "Brotherhood and the Ring" in Puchkov's translation: "Entry is prohibited to horses, blacks and Chinese" ... AHA, say "der Parol" , and come in!

Dear, what, under the USSR, secrets (industrial and non-industrial) were not stolen and did not bring to life ??? But what, in modern Russia, secrets do not steal beyond the hill and do not bring them to life?

And what, we, the USSR, Russia, did not steal and do not steal sects?

And what is it that non-intellectuals do? Morons, in your opinion?

[Vadivak]

Quote: Old Cynic

Dear, what, under the USSR, secrets (industrial and non-industrial) were not stolen and did not bring to life ???

It was a deal. Take at least the Tu-4, but then there was the Tu-16 and Tu-95.

But. When everything is constantly stolen, and pretends to be its own, the conclusion of brain activity about suggests itself

[Old Cynic]

It was a deal. Take at least the Tu-4, but then there was the Tu-16 and Tu-95.

And what do you want to tell me? What was not used at all when developing the Tu-16 and Tu-95? Nothing straight?

And if you deign to get to the bottom of the truth, it will turn out to be as simple as a Columbian egg: a certain "Tersky" allowed himself to ironically speak about the intellectuality of the Chinese people. Someone "Old Cynic", O GOD !, let him argue that he shouldn't have said so.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Old Cynic

Someone "Terskiy" Someone "Old Cynic", O GOD !, allowed him to argue that he shouldn't have said so.

1. The first has a name. Therefore, he is not "someone" (unidentified person)
2. In vain you are so worried, just I also adhere to the same point of view. And all

[Tersky]

Quote: Vadivak

The first has a name. Therefore, he is not "someone" (unidentified person)

Vadim ! Do not pay attention, the person will never understand that we are talking about the Chinese application for the construction of an aircraft-carrying cruiser based on intellectual property (???) which was designed and practically built by the intellectuals of the USSR, well, that's why he is an "Old Cynic".

[Vadivak]

Quote: Tersky

we are talking about the Chinese application for the construction of an aircraft-carrying cruiser based on intellectual property (???), which was designed and practically built by intellectuals of the USSR,

Fear the Chinese bringing gifts

"China said it will refuse to buy from Russia
Su-35 aircraft, if the contract includes a provision on “unauthorized
copying »

What else does? What are the reasons?

[Tersky]

Quote: Vadivak

What else does? What are the reasons

The darkest thing is under a candle ...

[clidon]

And the Chinese first had J-10/11, then J-20, and then there will be J-xx.

[S_mirnov]

If we announce the Chinese as "non-intellectuals" then who is responsible for declaring our and Ukrainian leaders?
"Now the Chinese Navy has only one aircraft carrier -" Liaoning ". This is the former Soviet heavy aircraft carrier" Varyag ", purchased from Ukraine"
But about our Russian:
"The aircraft carrier" Vikramaditya "came from Russia to replace the Indian ship" Vikrant ", which has already served its purpose.
"Russia handed over to India the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier, created for its naval forces on the basis of the Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Gorshkov," Interfax reported on Saturday, November 16.

The message states that the ceremonial handover of the ship took place at the Sevmash shipyard. The Russian flag was lowered on the aircraft carrier and the Indian flag was raised, and the wife of the new commander of the ship, Suraj Berry, smashed a coconut against the side of the Vikramaditya. "
http://lenta.ru/news/2013/11/16/vikra/

Well, are you proud of "our" "intellectuals"?

[clidon]

Well, here is a positive example, with "Vikramaditya" ... Selling such a ship is not so lucky for every country.
I think we will be happy to build and sell even more planes and aircraft carriers, but who will give it.

[Pirr]

Quote: Tersky

I do not consider them stupid either, there isn’t this in my comments, but even to the intellectuals they like from Moscow to Beijing in a well-known position. If industrial espionage and theft pass into the category of intellectual virtues of a particular nation then, alas, our world is heading into the abyss.

China has a very high quality education. The Institute of the Far East of the Russian Academy of Sciences published its research on building up the scientific and technical power of the PRC. At present, China already occupies the first place in the world in terms of allocated resources (including the instrument base) per researcher, and the country also has no equal in the number of scientific and technical personnel, the number of which has already reached 1 million people. And if such a large figure can be linked to the largest population in the world, then a high level of education cannot be attributed to this. In 51, China took the third place (2009 universities) in terms of the number of universities that entered the top 200 universities in the world, leaving behind only the United States and Great Britain. At the same time, China shares the third place with the Netherlands and Japan, although only a decade ago only one Chinese university entered the top 11 (Fudan University in Shanghai).
The average salary of scientists in the PRC has increased by a factor of 1998-27 since 28. For example, the annual income of an employee of one of the research institutes of the Chinese Academy of Sciences ranges from 25 to 65 thousand dollars per year (average values), but can go up to 150-200 thousand dollars including all grants and fees. A professor at the Beijing National Institute of Biological Sciences for the year earns about 50-60 thousands of dollars. For the Middle Kingdom is just an excellent salary. It is not surprising that today the Chinese view scientists as real pillars of society. Engineers, scientists and professors in Chinese society are increasingly valued every year. Due to the prestige of the profession and the high level of wages (explosive growth), most of the most promising college graduates associate their future life with science. Chinese scientists are constantly experiencing social support for their research from society. Moreover, since 2006, Beijing has been implementing a special program: “An Action Plan to Increase Public Understanding of Science”, which has been worked out until the 2020 year.

[Danash I]

China simply repeats the Soviet path of development. Indeed, even with us, the professor received not a lot of money for his work. Science is held in high esteem, scientists, respected people, progress in many, many directions, it’s been a long time to list everything. Until now, and no one disputes this, I hope that the ideas and people of Soviet dressing work. For well-known reasons, we, unfortunately, have to catch up with the Chinese. New ideas arise, people die, and new people grow up for a long time, the conditions are now completely different. And the main lag is in the debilitation of young people.

[Onizuka teacher]

China is home to some of the most significant inventions of human civilization, including the four great inventions of ancient China: paper, compass, gunpowder, and typography (both woodcuts and typescripts). The following list contains these and other inventions that first appeared in China. The Chinese invented original technologies in the fields of mechanics, hydraulics, mathematics as applied to time measurement, metallurgy, astronomy, agriculture, construction of mechanisms, music theory, art, navigation and methods of conducting war. In the period of the Battle of the Kingdoms (403-221 BC), the Chinese had the most advanced technologies in metallurgy, including blast furnaces with blasting and cupola furnaces, and the screaming forge and forge-pudding process were known during the Han Dynasty (202 B.C. - 220 A.D.). The emergence of a complex economic system in China gave rise to such an invention as paper money during the Song Dynasty (960–1279). The invention of gunpowder (at least in the 725th century) caused a number of unique inventions, such as a burning spear, land mines, sea mines, squeaks, exploding cannonballs, multi-stage rockets and rockets with aerodynamic wings. Using a navigational compass and using a steering wheel with an aftershaft known since the XNUMXst century, the Chinese sailors achieved great success in controlling the ship on the high seas, and in the XNUMXth century. they sailed to East Africa and Egypt. The first mechanical watches with an anchor mechanism were made in Tang China in XNUMX AD by Sin and Liang Linzan. The Chinese also created large mechanical water-powered puppet theaters, a wheel with spokes, and a vending machine driven by a wheel with tiles. Chinese opera, Chinese mathematics, and Chinese architecture were not on the list. Nor are there any Chinese discoveries in the field of natural phenomena made in the study of the human body, other biological organisms, or made in the study of the environment and the solar system. Questions?

[Tersky]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

Questions?

One, did they learn copyright? From the rulescomments on the site are intended solely for readers to express their opinions on published articles. At the same time, reasonable citation of materials from other sites within the framework of one comment is allowed with the obligatory reference to the source.

[Denis]

Quote: Tersky

One, did they learn copyright?

Okay even our boat Grachenok, damn it does not copy

[lelikas]

Quote: Denis

Okay even our boat Grachenok, damn it does not copy

They just do not know about him yet.

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: Tersky

One, did they learn copyright? Of the rules, comments on the site are intended solely for expression by readers of their own opinions regarding published articles. At the same time, reasonable citation of materials from other sites is allowed within the framework of one comment with a mandatory link to the source.

This is from an abstract of Great Chinese Inventions. Materials taken from 1.http: //ru.admissions.cn/Culture/2009-8/view10172.html
2.http: //www.epochtimes.ru/content/view/37664/4/
3.http: //ru.wikipedia.org/
4.http: //www.abc-people.com/typework/art/antich1-txt.htm
5.http: //kitaia.ru/kultura-kitaya/neprehodyashchie-cennosti/
6.http: //intway-holiday.com/page2b.htm
This is so that people would know there not only gunpowder was invented. Before you write about another people, you need to at least know its history, this is elementary.

[Tersky]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

Before you write about another people, you need to at least know its history, this is elementary.

It is elementary to pull out contexts from the "Wiki", comments of users of third-party sites, and lay it out on the site without linking to the source. This is elementary for you ...

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: Tersky

This is elementary for you ....

For the elementary to receive knowledge and shares with others who have erroneous opinions or lack of knowledge in this area, and if the information is correct, I post it. Received and shared.

[Tersky]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

For the elementary to receive knowledge and shares with others who have erroneous opinions or lack of knowledge in this area, and if the information is correct, I post it

About how! ! You turn out to be a standard of reliability ... Only it is called differently, having received knowledge from a source, they usually share knowledge or information with a link to it or to the author, otherwise this "division" looks like elementary plagiarism.

[Day 11]

As for gunpowder, the question is debatable. Well, oh well, I believe in a word

[Papakiko]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

Questions?

If they were so "cool" in 403-221. BC e. and 202 BC e. - 220 AD e. and 960-1279. What made them build the "Great Wall of China" and surrender to the Saxons in the 19th century under the pressure of opium ???
Start referring to feudalism, internal fragmentation and other nonsense?
Remember "ancient" Egypt and "ancient" Israel?
There are a lot of such "miracles" and modern academic history for you, cook any stew, eat it to your health.

Empires collapse under the influence of external factors and not under the influence of internal problems.
Our extreme example happened in 1991.
Who benefited the most from the collapse of the USSR?
The emerging "independent states" or "Western" countries of developed capitalism?
Both the modern Chinese "economic miracle", like the "miracles" of Japan and South Korea, have man-made roots.

[Onizuka teacher]

Quote: Papakiko

forced to build the "Great Wall of China" and in the 19th century to surrender to the Saxons under the pressure of opium ???

You yourself answered your question.

Quote: Papakiko

Start referring to feudalism, internal fragmentation and other nonsense?

What does the other civilizations have to do with China?

[Basarev]

Come on. The Chinese are absolutely impossible to build their own never stolen nose. This is impossible even theoretically

[lazy]

And where is the guarantee that they invented it, and not copied from the now forgotten peoples? long time it was

[rolik]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

China is home to one of the most significant inventions of human civilization, including the four great inventions of ancient China: paper, compass

As for the compass, it’s also not 100% what the Chinese invented.
There are several curious Chinese legends about the invention of paper. One of them says that even before Chai Lun a slave from East Turkestan was able to make her. When the emperor was informed about this, he seemed to say:
“If the slaves find out that one of them made such a great discovery, they will think too much of themselves.”
And the emperor ordered that the name of the slave be kept secret, and the inventor himself came up with an “honorable” death.
Xerox still worked for them then. That's only in those days, to hide the fact of theft, they simply killed the inventor))))))

[dmitrij.blyuz]

In contrast to you, Maisie! A steam locomotive, a submarine, fighter aircraft, the same aircraft carriers, helicopters, hydrofoils, air cushions, hydroplanes, rocket launchers. Everything was invented and embodied in the Union and long-standing Russia. Not everything went into series. , so, I absolutely agree with you on everything. Besides one. The Chinese, nevertheless, understand the biological essence of man more than anyone else. Their medicine is beyond praise. Only they do not advertise it. It's a pity. How many people could to rescue.

[Day 11]

Not Macey, but MANSE. And that's right

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Nope. Take an interest, however! I'm talking about the profile.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

China is home to one of the most significant inventions of human civilization, including the four great inventions of ancient China: paper, compass, gunpowder and printing

They simply couldn’t invent gunpowder. The simplest gunpowder: saltpeter, sulfur, charcoal. To invent it, so that the components were at hand. There were never and no saltpeter in China, and even nearby. crap.

[bask]

China began to build a second aircraft carrier

Now, only 2 countries will have a full-fledged aircraft carrier fleet.
These are the USA and China.
China, without any reservations, has become SUPERPOWER.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

China is home to some of the most significant inventions.

And where is the certainty that the Chinese invented it? But didn’t they steal it, as always?

Before the Chinese, some kind of compass was used by the Indians. An ancient hematite product found in San Lorenzo Tenoctilan (Veracurs, Mexico

before the Chinese, the ancient Egyptians learned to make paper material from the flattened stems of papyrus.

The merit of the invention of gunpowder was assigned to the Chinese only on the basis of certain statements of missionaries - Jesuits made in the XVII and XVIII centuries. But there is a big and fat BUT. The missionaries had very little data, but had enormous respect for the history of China. They wrote that gunpowder was known to the Chinese back in 85 BC, but where is the evidence? If a person is engaged in some kind of invention, then he will probably keep notes or something like that. But the Chinese did not find any documents, small notes, or at least hints of this. Some scholars attribute the invention of gunpowder to the Greeks. Yes, they kept records, presented various chemical compositions, but none of them contained nitrate. The Greeks, trying to create gunpowder, neglected this substance. One can talk about the invention of real gunpowder starting from the middle of the XNUMXth century, when the British natural scientist Roger Bacon suggested a method for the purification of nitrate, which he published in his treatise Epistolaede Secretis Operibus.

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

The Chinese also created large mechanical puppet theaters,

I believe in that. You are irreplaceable in the household

[mirag2]

In fact, paper and papyrus are the same different and the same things — like clay tablets and birch bark — you can write on both, but things are essentially different ...

[nerd.su]

Quote: Vadivak

Before the Chinese, some kind of compass was used by the Indians. An ancient hematite product found in San Lorenzo Tenoctilan (Veracurs, Mexico

Well, you are a serious person - hematite does not have magnetic properties and products from it cannot be a compass.

Quote: Vadivak

If a person is engaged in some kind of invention, then he will probably keep notes or something like that. But the Chinese did not find any documents, small notes, or at least hints of this

That is, the Chinese read European treatises and made gunpowder from memory? Also mixing the components by eye?

Quote: Vadivak

I believe in that. You are irreplaceable in the household

The mechanical theater testifies to the development of precision mechanics. In the second century AD, the Chinese made the first seismograph, which recorded the beginning of the earthquake and the direction from the device to the epicenter. Already something. Mechanical watches, again, the Chinese were among the first to do.

[Flooding]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

The invention of gunpowder (at least in the 10th century) caused a number of unique inventions, such as a burning spear, land mines, sea mines, squeals, exploding cannonballs, multi-stage rockets and rockets with aerodynamic wings.

You forgot the invention of the kite and fan.
And as for the palm in the invention of gunpowder, there are other opinions.

[Intsurfer]

and they also came up with bills in the 8th century A.D. (details on wiki) - because it was dangerous to carry cash. ;)

[Pirr]

Quote: Tersky

So separate, flies and cutlets. What is their intelligence? In the invention of gunpowder? And that’s all, and that’s in question. Now put together all that they have achieved from what was transmitted to them or stolen by them. Is this your intellect? Only the scum of their achievements in philosophy, they are not related to material achievements. Minus return.

China is gradually taking the leading position in the world in the field of experimental development and scientific research. By the number of patented inventions, the number of publications and citation indexes in 2013, China will surpass Japan, coming to the net 2-th place in the world after the United States. In terms of the number of published scientific papers, China almost caught up with the States and is more likely to overtake them in this indicator in the near future. Such conclusions were made by members of the Royal Society of Great Britain (which is an analogue of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Russia), who appreciated the recent successes of various countries in carrying out scientific activities.

British researchers analyzed a number of indicators, including the number of articles that were published and reviewed in periodical scientific journals (source Scopus scientific articles database). By the number of scientific publications, China has reached the 2-th place. The United States is traditionally located on the first, but if the share of American scientific articles from 1993 to 2003 was at the level of 25%, then from 2004 to 2008 it fell to 21%. During the same time, the same indicator of China grew from 4,4% to 10,2%, which allowed China to take off from 6 to 2 ranking position, passing the UK by the way (the percentage of English scientific works fell from 7,1% to 6,5%).
Until recently, the main problem was that Chinese enterprises did not “digest” foreign technologies to create their own, national ones, often engaging in rather rough and mechanical copying, which was accompanied by copyright infringement. Moreover, Chinese experts have even created special methods for replicating and copying foreign technologies. This way is easier and cheaper, but the strategy of simple copying has fully developed its resource.

In the coming 20 years, the industry and science of the PRC must respond to a new strategic challenge. According to the plans for the development of science and technology in China, by 2020, the country will have to reach the world level in 11-ti main areas of scientific activity, and in 3-5 positions in each of these areas to secure a leading position. By 2050, China expects to create a knowledge economy. In 2006, China adopted a long-term plan for the development of scientific activity, which implies an increase in the financing of science. By 2020, science plans to allocate up to 2,5% of GDP (now at the level of 1,5-1,7% of GDP).
And what about Russia?
So, for 2012, 2013, 2014, total funding of science is planned at such a level: 323, 327, 283 billion rubles. In terms of the share of GDP, funding for science will decline steadily: 0,55%, 0,51%, 0,39%. Almost half of this amount was actually allocated to Roscosmos and the Ministry of Industry and Trade, that is, not to “fundamental science” in the general sense of the word — universities and research institutes (in 2012, this is 149 billion rubles). Another 12 billion rubles is allocated to Rosatom, from which the most powerful research institutions are rapidly (and not painlessly) transferred to the Kurchatov Institute: ITEP in Moscow and PNPI in Gatchina.

[edeligor]

Quote: Pirr

In the next 20 years, China's industry and science should respond to a new strategic challenge. According to the plans for the development of science and technology in China, by 2020 the country will have to reach the world level in 11 main areas of scientific activity, and in 3-5 positions in each of these areas to secure a leading position

Excuse me, where did you copy it from? It is painfully giving away reports from the CCP congress about plans for the next five-year period. As for their technological and industrial successes, relying on their developments, I will say according to Stanislavsky- I DO NOT BELIEVE! Do not forget, these are ASIANs, they are throwing dust in their eyes, cheating, stealing is normal. The economic miracle of the Middle Kingdom lies in the strategic mistake of the United States, which had previously withdrawn its main industrial production to China. I in no way detract from the dignity of the hardworking billion people. They will build an aircraft carrier, as well as a new generation fighter, BUT, they will be Chinese just as much as they steal, copy or acquire at a cheap price.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Tersky

What is their intelligence? In the invention of gunpowder? And that’s all, and that’s in question.

Well, if you go into such a long time, then the Chinese have a compass, silk, porcelain, the first deep coal mines and wells for the extraction of salt from brines. There are even allegations that the Chinese used natural gas BC. and built gas pipelines from bamboo, but that’s already pi ... well, I think
But irrigation facilities and shipping channels with locks up to 2000 km long, this is a fact. Like the Great Wall of China. In order to do such things, a powerful state apparatus is needed. Therefore, taking exams is also Chinese know-how. And a hundred pounds, corruption also appeared in them, only called in Chinese

Quote: Tersky

Now put together all that they have achieved from what was transmitted to them or stolen by them. Is it your intellect?

But if one so argues, then in the USSR nothing new was invented in technology, all copies and modernizations of Western products. It must also be borne in mind that they do not need a lot of the things that they do in FIG. Spoons, for example. But this is a product, they make it and sell it. What, also someone's intellectual property was stolen

[kirieeleyson]

I don’t think the Chinese “fiery spear” was that gunpowder. Still, one should lean towards the experiments of Bartold Schwartz, because the formula of the explosive has not yet undergone any changes. Although there were facts of the use by the Chinese of gunpowder in treatment (disinfection of wounds, shock arrest of blood during amputation)
The Chinese have been clearly working to create a superpower for about 90 years. Everyone knows the methods for achieving this goal; if it is not possible to invent, you need to buy an invention or experience and bring the work to the standard. Back in the 80s, our design bureaus strictly warned about how important it was to keep developments secret from the Chinese. Russia at that time also also bought from the Romans (Byzantium) and the Latins (here more understandable) the secrets of steelmaking, the method of making armor (we studied the Milanese armor length and breadth). This is generally normal world practice, there is nothing overwhelming.

[clidon]

Fireworks are just powder. And the Chinese have rather big prerequisites - the same large reserves of sulfur and nitrate, active experiments with them.
I am just closer to the opinion that Berthold Schwartz "invented" gunpowder, in the trash heap of the Chinese embassy. By the way, it is very popular with a number of researchers.

[sscha]

So you should ignore their "intellectual right", damn it!

[pavlo007]

I confirm completely. It is very dangerous to deal with them, to send an advance payment is very much to provoke them to throw a thing - only in stages, while they themselves never give a delay in payment.
I know a lot of people who had problems, having relaxed, having worked before that with the Germans and other British.
Under honest terms, take off you can’t work under any circumstances - throw at the first opportunity.

[Tersky]

Quote: Old Cynic

In vain you are so, dear, oh in vain ...

Maybe ..... by copying. Intellectuals unsurpassed ....

[Papakiko]

Quote: Tersky

Maybe ..... by copying. Intellectuals unsurpassed ....

They also develop-upgrade.

At the 2nd session of the 12th meeting of people's representatives of Liaoning Province, Wang Ming, chairman of the meeting (concurrently and secretary of the provincial committee of the CCP), informed the deputies that the construction of a new Chinese aircraft carrier had begun at the Dalniy shipyard (Dalian). It is planned to be completed in 6 years. In total, the Chinese fleet plans to have 4 such ships.
Well, then there are fabrications of "iksperts":
- they say, the 2nd will be with an ordinary power plant and without catapults,
- and here is the 3rd - already with catapults and atomic
- in / and 70-90.000t
They began to build something.
On the face of the basis of the USSR + mattress "experience" = Chinese "waffle".

[yehat]

most of the Chinese remained dense, as everyone is used to THINK,
but there are already quite a few others
2 generations of students who studied abroad grew up

[strannik595]

sometimes it’s even useful from aircraft carriers, so let them build

[dmitrij.blyuz]

To me, that little white one, on the port side, wrap it up!

[Prapor-527]

Do not worry, who is now the worst from this news, it's those who have unresolved problems with China on the disputed islands in the APR. Well, in the states, too, do not pee from "happiness". Only one thing killed - "In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on" its own intellectual rights. " Intellectuals, damn it ...... I will repeat once more - China is a very smart-ass ally ... You shouldn't build any special illusions about our "quick-eyed friends" ...

[Basarev]

Can we strike a preemptive strike until the yellow ones have become an absolute hegemon? We are adults and we are fully aware that no one in the world needs a strong China, especially us Russians. The ideal China for us is poor and fragmented, and even better - once and for all forever gone overnight. It would be completely good if there are not a single Chinese left on the planet. There are too many people on Earth and solving the demographic problem of humanity at the expense of China seems to be the best outcome.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Arseny! Something aggressive you, however! While there is time, China supports us. And its policy is not directed against us (for now, though) They have enough of their own troubles. Well, why destroy so many people, most of whom are civilians? And also, with a retaliatory strike, and China is capable of this and it’s not hard for us to get there, they’re not fools either. And after our Armageddon, again mattresses will come out to the kings, forever? Nifiga. Here I do not agree with you.

[Basarev]

When the USSR fell, civilians, too, died darkness and darkness. But not one of the world community turned around.
Or remember the American Dropshot plan. Then you planned to seriously turn the Soviet Union into the ocean. Or at least a scorched radioactive desert where even microbes do not live. So my words look much more merciful and humane than the American plans - after all, Dropshot was not canceled - it was only postponed .

[dmitrij.blyuz]

When the Union fell, discord began, bloody, tough. All the former republics experienced rampant crime. Dropshot-to him in response to the words of Stalin (this, of course, a fiction) -Pacific-Atlantic Canal, under the control of Mexico, with the island of Canada-must be provided with vital equipment. "It is still relevant.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Basarev

Dropshot's American plan ... planned to turn the Soviet Union into an ocean. Or at least a scorched radioactive desert, where even microbes do not live ... Dropshot was not canceled - only postponed.

I propose to clarify a few.
1. Dropshot's predecessors were: Totality, Pincher, Broiler, Frolik, Sizzle, Troyan.
2. Dropshot is a plan for a large-scale air operation against the USSR using 300 atomic bombs on 200 Soviet cities and conventional weapons to destroy at least 85% of the economic potential of the Soviet Union. He had 2 options and 4 stages of the operation. Along with the mass destruction of the Soviet population by atomic bombing provided for the complete occupation of its entire territory, which exceeded even Hitler's delusional designs. (It did not mention microbes and the ocean).
3. Dropshot was canceled by the "Shakedown" (1950) plan. According to it, in the regions of Moscow and Gorky, it was supposed to deliver nuclear strikes with 20 atomic bombs, at Leningrad - 12, industrial regions of the Volga and Donetsk - 52, objects in the Caucasus - 15, Vladivostok and Irkutsk - 15 atomic bombs. In total, it was planned to use 220 atomic bombs in 104 cities of the USSR.
4. Further plans for a nuclear war against us were outlined in the presidential directives on state security issues. For example, the SIOP-5D plan (directive No.59) included four main options for US nuclear attacks: massive (across the entire range of major political, military and economic targets), selective, limited and regional. They were planned in the form of anticipatory and reciprocal counter.
In total, at least 4 thousand objects for nuclear destruction were listed on the territory of the USSR, including about 2 thousand were identified as objects of primary attack.
All of them were grouped into four main groups: nuclear forces, general forces, command posts of political and military leadership, economic and industrial facilities. Similar plans exist today. On them (partially) are conducted KSHU SNF and SKSHVI aircraft.
We pay our opponents reciprocity.

[Pirr]

Quote: Basarev

We are adults and we are fully aware that nobody in the world needs a strong China, especially us Russians.

But the Belarusians are just right. We have a lot of joint projects with China. China opened a credit line for us for 15 !!! billion dollars. Besides Russia, it is our most important ally. And they don't like rabid racists in Belarus. And does China prevent Russia from "dancing"? Or maybe it’s something else, like a joke about a bad dancer?

[Prapor-527]

is China preventing Russia from "dancing"? Or maybe it’s something else, like a joke about a bad dancer? ... No. It's just that China increasingly began to copy our "dances" ... And for that you can get hit in the face ... On the impudent, quick-eyed face ...

[Basarev]

Belarus is only a fragment of Russia. Sooner or later, Belarusians will triumphantly return to Russia. And as for the dancer, it was said more than once - a good dancer interferes with a bad dancer.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Well, not a splinter, actually. A self-sufficient country with an adequate president. It’s not known whether they will become part of Russia. They decide for themselves. And, in Belarus, unlike us, quieter. God forbid to lose such an ally and brother, but by kindred sister.

[Danash I]

What a childhood !? Have you ever had to keep a living person on the fly?

[avg]

Quote: Tersky

China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual property rights."

But can anyone doubt looking into these honest slanting eyes?
Well, if only the revisionists

[A.YARY]

Victor, good day
Worse for someone or not but, I envy their determination and consistency.
Here's the "shortcomings of the planned economy", here's "disproportionate militarism", in general, all those clichés that have been snatched to us from Humpback to the present day.
And the Chinese "Tiger" with the stubbornness of the oxpulls and pulls a cart under the direction of COMMUNIST PARTY and his successes-EVERYONE-dab us in a bunch of Mr. and us heaped up by ourselves.
I envy them .....

PySy
But there were prophets in the Fatherland!

[yehat]

disproportionate militarism took place, but it would be a monstrous mistake to associate it with the country's system. I think that the imposed arms race and the associated forced moves, as well as the subsidized model of supporting the allies have led to "excessiveness."

[Tersky]

Quote: A.YARY

but, I envy their determination and consistency.

This cannot be taken away from them, Andrey, !

[Ivan Petrovich]

that's right! I also talk about this all the time, but the rams keep repeating their "copywriters and copywriters"
and a person doesn’t care which bullet they fill up, licensed or copied

[Basarev]

The tiger can't handle the Bear!

[dmitrij.blyuz]

How to say it. It is debatable. Both are quite powerful and smart. The tiger is slightly inferior in strength, but superior in speed of movement. By the way, the old hunters talked about the case we had on Inerkan - there was a case of a clash between Amursky and Burym. The tiger died, but the bear did not last long lived. I do not know more cases.

[Basarev]

So be it, but it’s still worth it - at least for a day to survive the last Chinese. The realization that China will never be a threat again is breathtaking.

[Vadivak]

Quote: ///

China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."

Thank you, we are in the know for a long time

[servant.]

Quote: Tersky

Intellectuals, damn it ....

And on a computer not made in China, knock on the keys! It's a shame and a shame that China jumped us .... Draw conclusions and go ahead and not throw poop!

[Tersky]

Quote: serviceman.

It's a shame and a shame that China jumped us .... Draw conclusions and go ahead and not throw poop!

poop is flying just from you. Where did he jump? In boorish theft, not covered by anything? In the fact that to this day I have to buy single copies of everything and everything for the subsequent "modernization" with the assignment of the hieroglyph and numbers, thereby asserting the "copyright" rights to the product to which they have nothing to do, and once again confirming their "intelligence" in part copying and plagiarism. In terms of the computer, Zimbwave can also produce, but this does not mean that the computer is the brainchild of the Negro mind. I return the minus.

[Vadivak]

Quote: serviceman.

And on a computer not made in China, knock on the keys!

Duck production and not invention, Sberbank will soon begin to collect fiats on ZIL, what is it a matter of pride?

[Nick]

Quote: Tersky

Only one thing killed - "In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on" its own intellectual rights. " Intellectuals, damn it ...

What will they be? They do not plan to attach their aircraft carriers, so you will not show anything.
We copied the Tu-4 with the B-29 and nothing, the Americans wiped it off ...

[Tersky]

Quote: Nick

We copied the Tu-4 with the B-29 and nothing, the Americans wiped it off ...

A well-known fact, but no such claim was made on the basis of “own intellectual rights”. !

[Day 11]

After all, present it to Comrade Stalin! I would quickly shut up my throat. Empire !!!

[Day 11]

But what, stupidly zaminusit it in a manly way? Can you justify it, if a man! Or ssykl? Have already got such

[nerd.su]

Quote: Tersky

A well-known fact, but no such claim was made on the basis of “own intellectual rights”.

Then the rhetoric was different. That a thread like "the achievements of Soviet engineers and designers, the power of Soviet industry" was voiced.
Yes, it is clear that the Chinese copied the aircraft carrier. But this also requires intelligence. We won GLONASS before the Americans made their GPS. However, "almost" does not count in harsh reality.

[RUSSIA 2013]

I don’t understand why we are not stubbornly building aircraft carriers, in the Soviet Union we had 4 in my opinion, because we needed them, but now we don’t have bases, we have 1 Tartus and it’s questionable in Cyprus, the modern doctrine is that we need them like air, Kuznetsov’s example cannot help but undergo reconstruction, but he’s not a seven-core one, and we don’t get around an aircraft carrier strike squadron, the impression is that they do not want to strengthen our fleet.

[clidon]

Where do we get the money from? An aircraft carrier is not just a ship, it is a concept. And very expensive.

[Nick]

Quote: RUSSIA 2013

I don’t understand why we are not stubbornly building aircraft carriers, in the USSR we had 4 in my opinion

The aircraft carriers, in the full sense of the word, the USSR did not build. In the USSR, aircraft carriers were built.

[clidon]

These were more of a problem of terminology and domestic carrier-based aviation.

[Severbob]

to protect Artika, such a thing is needed, and even very

[Basarev]

But the Chinese nose is completely devoid of ice-breaking. However, this is on hand for us - there will be less rabble to climb into our Arctic

[RUSS]

Quote: Basarev

But the Chinese nose is completely devoid of ice-breaking. However, this is on hand for us - there will be less rabble to climb into our Arctic

Meanwhile, by 2020, the Navy plans to adopt 8 submarines of the BOREY project, and they "feel" very well in the Arctic.

[Basarev]

We, too, are not embroidered - the second Orlan is on the way. And after him we will build another dozen such boats. And we should also remember that the development of the nuclear carrier cruiser is already underway.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Basarev

the second Orlan is on the way. And after him we’ll build another dozen such ships.

Project 1144 in total 4 ships were built. The last one is 1144.2 "Peter the Great". As of 14.01.2014/03/02, the Russian Navy included - 06 units. Among them: SF -2013 ("Peter" - standing, "Nakhimov" - repair, modernization since 01. XNUMX); Pacific Fleet - XNUMX ("Lazarev" - in reserve).
According to the shipbuilding program (GOZ) - "such ships", we will not build until 2020.
So you have to moderate the puppy's delight: the fleet is an expensive, technically difficult thing, requiring great labor costs, both for the construction of ships and for their maintenance.

[morpex]

Quote: Stiletto

Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...

Don’t worry !!! By 2020 we will have five pieces !!! URRaaa !!! Comrades ....
But seriously ... Then yeah ... Matyutsya want ... Very indecent word ..
Promises alone ...

[Siberian German]

WHAT ENJOYMENT - SPECIFICLY I HAVE AN EVILITY FOR SORRY ABOUT PRO .... NUT TIME DISAPPOINTED PROPERTY WHICH NOW SERVES YELLOW FACED AND TODAY'S BADDER WHEN TALKING A MINISTRY AND I AM POSSIBLE.

[starshina78]

When? When will we read the news that in Russia they have laid down a new aircraft carrier? I'm afraid I won’t wait!

[Nick]

Quote: Stiletto

Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...

In this case, you can only experience a feeling of white envy ...

[AVV]

No need to envy, everything has its time !!! But first you need to restore what was destroyed in the 90s !!!

[Alex Nick]

It's okay, it will be Chinese ..

[alone]

Quote: Stiletto

Envy, of course, is not a good feeling, but I just can’t get rid of it ...

By the way, I did not know that aircraft carriers are considered weapons for self-defense))

[Nevsky_ZU]

China began to build a second aircraft carrier

Their pace and ardor can only stop:

[Tersky]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Their pace and ardor can only stop:

May there not be a marked Namba that, not that nation. They have long studied all our mistakes that led to the collapse of the USSR, including this Judas. The Chinese are a rational nation - in everything they learn from the mistakes of others as well as technologies.

[Old Cynic]

Our yellow brothers will not allow such a tapeworm in their intestines. They will immediately dust him ... Then they will shackle him to a chair and put him an audio version of the complete publication of Mao's poems in Burundian at a level of 174 decibels.

Himself will die ...

[evgenii67]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Their pace and fervor can only stop

Garbachun Lee

[DPN]

It’s a pity that they don’t have such a JUDA.

[Basarev]

But from the Governor and the Yars of the Chinese, not a single nose protects

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Basarev

But from the Governor and the Yars of the Chinese, not a single nose protects

Oh how! And I didn’t know that China is at intercontinental distance from us!
PS. When you write comments - think. You do not know, ask smart people: maybe, in addition to emotions, knowledge is also needed?

[dmitrij.blyuz]

He has already stopped. Not only the Chinese.

[Cherdak]

The branded dGacon does not wait for its fate.

[Antibrim]

I’m fond of a copy of the Varangian, they themselves come up with a shit, but the master work under the carbon copy!

[Vova]

At Varyag, only rivets can be copied for the new Chinese aircraft carrier

[Antibrim]

so Varyag unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier cruiser, if you do not know at least do not write nonsense.

[Vladimirets]

"The Chinese authorities claim that the arms build-up is being conducted solely for self-defense purposes."

The Americans, too, in principle, for self-defense, they are purely defensive weapons, yeah.

[Tersky]

Quote: Vladimirets

purely defensive weapons, yeah.

...... especially from Bedouins and Australian Aborigines, some constantly threaten the integrity of the United States with boomerangs, others with arrows. WMD, you know ... Eugene, !

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Tersky

especially from Bedouins and Australian Aborigines,

Trinidad and Tobago are also talking about developing nuclear weapons.
Victor,

[VADEL]

Today seems to be China Day.

[T-100]

In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."

Since when did the achievements of foreign countries overcame by China become their own intellectual base))))

[moremansf]

China is the supporting edge of the East, its earner and smith ...
And envy is brothers and not bad, the mess would come to an end !!!

[samoletil18]

In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."

Although, if our people pioneer something, and do something useful for the country, I will not be upset.

[vkrav]

... And ukry (this is a scientific term coined by a great yusch! - do not touch censorship!) Tearing hair on the pope that hurried to cut the second aircraft carrier.

[roller2]

Quote: vkrav

... And ukry (this is a scientific term coined by a great yusch! - do not touch censorship!) Tearing hair on the pope that hurried to cut the second aircraft carrier.

And I thought that for the winter banderlog went to warmer climes, but no, I stayed at home alone)))
You are a darago when you turn on a pomelo brain try not to turn off))
"Ulyanovsk" was not built by Ukraine, but the weight of the Soviet Union, during its collapse, not only the CUSTOMER was lost, but also all the contracting enterprises, and alone Ukraine was simply not able to build it.
And unlike you, we don’t tear the hair on the pope, because we understand that it was not real, but you don’t - that's why you have (banderlog) priest and bald

[vkrav]

About the brain - yes ... you can do without it at all ... Now also declare that Varyag was built and sold by the Soviet Union ... Problems with the perception of printed text are not for me, this is for a psychiatrist .Build something "Ulyanovsk" Union, and cut - who ??? Try to guess! Damn, again a kindergarten for alternatively gifted for the holidays released ...

[Old Cynic]

And after buying "Pathetic" Mistrals in his head - "complete Hollande" ...

[roller2]

Quote: vkrav

Now declare that the Varyag uk.ry were built and the Soviet Union sold

You don’t even have your cerebellum turned on, about where the Varangian was built, you can read it in independent sources, and note in Ukraine they don’t inflate the high type we built and Russians sell (I'm talking about Kiev, Minsk, Novorossiysk, Gorshkov)

And they cut it for a simple reason, nobody needed it, and there was no money or opportunity to complete it.

And nefig to me here to appoint guilty. I can just as well bring what the UNION was building and cut your compatriots.

[No Name]

Quote: rolik2

And they cut it for a simple reason, nobody needed it, and there was no money or opportunity to complete it.

Could be completed and launched into the water - the costs are not more than during disposal.
And then - the options.
Therefore, the Americans and fuss.

[roller2]

Quote: No Name

to complete and launch to the water - the costs are not more than during disposal.

Are you really sure that you could finish building with 20% readiness? and where to get the stuffing? everything remained abroad (and not the fact that it was left and it was not put to needles) And for which SHI-SHI? in Ukraine, what at that time was free 3-4 billion dollars? And then to sell it to whom?
Oh my God, Americans have been dragged here too. Are they ubiquitous?

[No Name]

Quote: rolik2

Are you really sure that you could finish building with 20% readiness? and where to get the stuffing? everything remained abroad (and not the fact that it was left and was not put to needles)

Meant - to complete the building in order to lower it into the water and release the slipway. At a cost - about the same as sawing.

Quote: rolik2

Oh my God, Americans have been dragged here too. Are they ubiquitous?

Read:
http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/reports/view/44741/

[roller2]

Quote: No Name

Meant - to complete the building in order to lower it into the water and release the slipway.

And then what to do with this case? Well completed and then?

[Old Cynic]

And I thought that the banderlogs for the winter went to warmer climes, but no one stayed at home

And who, poor thing, left you alone in the house?

Macaulay Culkin, re-login !!! You failed ... And it's not the parash's fault ... By the way, do you know how to spell the word "PARASH ... T"?

[mamba]

Quote: vkrav

... And uk.ry tearing hair on the pope that hurried to cut the second aircraft carrier.

Hardly. In any form, it would go at the price of scrap metal at a readiness level of 18% by the end of 1991. It was impossible to tow it either to China or to India, since a large, but still part of the body of the nuclear aircraft carrier was formed. In addition, the Chinese had nothing to copy it on. It is unlikely that Russia would sell to China the entire set of documentation for the ship.
The Americans divorced the Ukrainians like suckers, waving them money for future orders, if only they freed up a place on the slipway of the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant No. 444 in Nikolaev, and then the Americans preferred to forget about their promises.
The Ukraine missile cruiser, the fourth ship of Project Atlant 1164, built at a shipyard in Nikolaev, with 95% readiness, does not seem to be very annoying to Ukraine, although it has been idle since 1993.

[Basarev]

They also say: "Suckers need to be milked." Then the Ukrainian government milked everything - even we. They took out of Ukraine the whole atom, Admiral Kuznetsov and a bunch of White Swans. And the Ukrainian rulers could well have kept all this wealth. But they did not want to.

[mamba]

Quote: Basarev

Then the Ukrainian government milked everything, even we. They took out the whole atom from Ukraine, Admiral Kuznetsov and a bunch of White Swans.

August 24, 1991 under the jurisdiction of Ukraine passed: 14 motorized rifle, 4 tank, 3 artillery divisions and 8 artillery brigades, 4 special forces brigades, 2 airborne brigades, 9 air defense brigades, 7 regiments of combat helicopters, three air armies (about 1.100 combat aircraft ) and a separate air defense army. The strategic nuclear forces deployed in Ukraine had 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles, as well as about 2.600 tactical nuclear weapons. By the beginning of 1992, 1.240 nuclear warheads, 133 RS-18 strategic missiles, 46 RS-22 strategic missiles, 564 cruise missiles for bombers and about 3.000 tactical nuclear weapons were located in Ukraine. After the decision not to keep the united armed forces in the CIS, they were dismantled (partially with US financial support) and exported to Russia.
"Admiral Kuznetsov" barely managed to get away from under Kravchuk's nose on the eve of the Ukrainian referendum.
Of the 1.100 combat aircraft Ukraine got: 30 Tu-16 (missile carriers), 30 Tu-22KD (missile carriers), 30 Tu-22R (reconnaissance aircraft), 36 Tu-22M3, 23 Tu-95MS-16, 19 Tu-160, 21 aircraft -fueller Il-78. In 1992, Ukraine also received most of the aviation of the USSR Black Sea Fleet, including a division (three regiments) of Tu-22M2 and Tu-16K naval missile carriers, and a reconnaissance regiment on Tu-22R. The Ukrainians began to cut the "White Swans" into metal for the money of the Americans. Out of 19 Tu-160s, only 9 cars were saved, which Russia returned to itself in payment of the Ukrainian debt for the supplied natural gas in the amount of $ 285 million.

Quote: Basarev

And the Ukrainian rulers could very well have been able to preserve all this wealth. But they did not want to.

They could not, although they really wanted to. Not a hat for Senka. But the dough was cut down notably.

[roller2]

Quote: Basarev

And the Ukrainian rulers could very well have been able to preserve all this wealth. But they did not want to.

Can explain
What for?
and how?
And most importantly For what money?

[EvgenE46]

I remember in 1991 we studied at the fleet aviation training center in Nikolaev, when the Varangian was being completed at the wall. We were then intensely agitated into his team. It has long been ... And now the monkeys are jumping on it ...

[colonel manuch]

They are defended by a small, coastal fleet, the AUG (and in the future the 4th!) Do not belong to it. With such an ally, it is necessary to keep an ear to the sharpest.

[Salamander]

An aircraft carrier is good (for China), but they forget something about submarines ... Most of them cannot even go to sea (the article was on VO) ... That is, they can not do much against America. Aircraft carriers will be covered with a copper basin with the help of one or two Amer’s submarines - and that’s all ...

Although I may confuse something

[patsantre]

They have 40 diesel engines.

[Basarev]

Here are just a world leader in underwater technology, to the grief and shame of some target audience, not the United States and especially not China, but ... Russian girl. One Ash is worth anything! Even with weakened characteristics regarding the initial Soviet project, it surpasses everything that was created in this area. And Northwind is even cooler.

[patsantre]

And what is it about Yasen? Many technologies are generally from 3-generation nuclear submarines. Just because there are more missiles on it doesn't make it better. And Borey compare with Ohio and clubs with Trident-2.
Those same Americans have been using water cannons, electronic periscopes for a long time, their boats are quieter, with torpedoes we have a complete ahtung, and then you declare leadership?

[DPN]

The Chinese, of course, GOOD FELLOWS managed to save the country and stride widely, if only this would not turn against Russia.

[bvi1965]

Quote: AntiBrim

I’m fond of a copy of the Varangian, they themselves come up with a shit, but the master work under the carbon copy!

Quote: Vova

At Varyag, only rivets can be copied for the new Chinese aircraft carrier

It will be larger than "Varyag" and thicker rivets.

[mountain]

No matter how choked, stolen. There is no envy or respect for this country. Let, in fact, their clones show what they are worth.

[REDBLUE]

Quote: mountain

No matter how choked, stolen. There is no envy or respect for this country. Let, in fact, their clones show what they are worth.

In my opinion, they are no longer bad at showing what their clones are worth in the automotive industry. Look around the dump trucks SHACMAN, HOWO, SHAANXI, HANIA, all lapped off from European prototypes. Take a car Cherie Tigo taken from Raf4, Hover 5 copy of Mitsubishi Outlander. And the people take it, which means they are satisfied with the price and quality. "Personally, I would never take a Chinese miracle." Therefore, I think the aircraft carrier will spit with them once.

[mountain]

A member made of glass can also come in handy, but you just need to use it very carefully, with active actions, injuries are possible.

[jjj]

And it's better to invite Baselin

[Sergh]

Quote: REDBLUE

Take cars Chery

Hmm yeah!
Our old friend took this CHERY a year ago, we all went to look, compare, touch, kick the wheels. Drugan was pleased both cheaply and angrily. A year has passed with a small one, I meet him at a large supermarket, we approach the parking lot to the cars, ah, I ask: well, how is CHERY? And he was surprised, Drugan spat for five or seven minutes, then silently parted.
Here in my memory such a Chinese case. Very fresh.

[APASUS]

China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."

That's how the phrase hurts the eyes.
Intellectual property rights and China, despite the fact that it's not riveted buckets from "pressed cardboard" (according to the Swedish Autoliv) and called cars, but just an aircraft carrier !?

[Andrey77]

In China, production is cheap. There are many workers, there is no winter in our understanding. From iPhone to ... Made in China. Previously, such a country was Japan.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Andrey77

In China, production is cheap.

This topic goes out more and more every year. This is due to urbanization, when the third generation of former peasants lives in cities. This is a normal process after a violent explosion. CHINA understands that even 5-10 years and their economic attractiveness will come to an end, as well as the fact that they are almost at the peak of their development, according to the current economic model.
That's why they moved. Those. by and large, in addition to potential expansion, building up the military-industrial complex is also a way to resolve the issue of where to get high-paying personnel. Well, not riveting yafon? Japhone can also farmers to make on the conveyor.

[anarchy]

Che that becomes chilly looking at the neighbors. We need more Ash trees and strategic missile carriers ...

[Altona]

Quote: Papakiko

At the 2nd session of the 12th meeting of people's representatives of Liaoning Province, Wang Ming, chairman of the meeting (concurrently and secretary of the provincial committee of the CCP), informed the deputies that the construction of a new Chinese aircraft carrier had begun at the Dalniy shipyard (Dalian). It is planned to be completed in 6 years. In total, the Chinese fleet plans to have 4 such ships.
Well, then there are fabrications of "iksperts":
- they say, the 2nd will be with an ordinary power plant and without catapults,
- and here is the 3rd - already with catapults and atomic
- in / and 70-90.000t
They began to build something.
On the face of the basis of the USSR + mattress "experience" = Chinese "waffle".

------------------------------------
Have they already copied the design of the air finishers? Or are they still looking? An aircraft carrier is not a corvette, here, in addition to the hull, there are still many technical problems ...

[Rus2012]

Quote: Altona

And they have already copied the design of the aerofinisher

... find where to buy bundled

[Nayhas]

China most likely began to build a likeness of the Varangian, judging by the photo.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Don’t hite China, guys. Better talk about their sites. Take a look at the video in Yu-T. Take a ride on their country on a piece of iron. I won’t say that I envy them, but about the increase in the provision of life, I’m stunned. We see them before ... If we compare the number of the population. They could. Yes, there are still a lot of people in poverty there. And, after all, they can handle it.

[svp67]

The only aircraft carrier is our former,

Construction started in the northeast port of Dalian

, and this is the Russian port of Dalniy built at the beginning (end) of the CER ... Something sad ...

[dmitrij.blyuz]

And the icebreaker - "Polar Dragon" Development of Russia, was built in Ukraine. Sold for a penny. The Chinese brought it to mind, with the help of the Ukrainians.

[vostok1982]

Well, this is now the headache of the United States, not Russia. It is the United States that needs to maintain military superiority in each local area in order to remain a global hegemon and the main beneficiary of the financial system they created. For Russia it is beneficial. It is one thing to confront the Anglo-Saxons alone, and another is a crowd.

[Ross]

Quote: Teacher Onizuka

The invention of gunpowder (at least in the 10th century) caused a number of unique inventions, such as a burning spear, land mines, sea mines, squeals, exploding cannonballs, multi-stage rockets and rockets with aerodynamic wings.

Gunpowder was invented, but used for fireworks and fun. And the first gunpowder in hostilities began to be used by the original opponents of Han China - the ancestors of Genghis Khan, the Huns, etc.

[zollstab]

I consider the slight irony over China's successes to be fundamentally wrong. As if later this would not turn into tears.

[Partizan]

Quote: rolik

..... If the slaves find out that one of them made such a great discovery, they will think too much of themselves.
And the emperor ordered that the name of the slave be kept secret, and the inventor himself came up with an “honorable” death.
Xerox still worked for them then. That's only in those days, to hide the fact of theft, they simply killed the inventor))))))

that's right, the copier still worked for them then

Quote: Pirr

...
British researchers analyzed a number of indicators1, including the number of articles that were published and reviewed in periodical scientific journals (source database of scientific articles Scopus). By the number of scientific publications, China came in 2nd place ....

Well, now the copier is working at full power!

And what about the fact that "British researchers analyzed" there, it's just ridiculous, these same "British researchers" every week, judging by the reports on the Internet, "analyze" something and every week they present us with 1 - 2 well, just stunning sensations ...

[Sergh]

Quote: Partizan

it's just ridiculous, these same "British explorers" every week

The funny thing is that these researchers do not publish these notes in Britain! Designed for foreign ... let them say, wash away from the start.

[andrei332809]

pace wide

[Partizan]

Quote: Pirr

China is gradually gaining a leading position in the world in the field of experimental development and research ....

Why is it just still "coming out"? According to the copyright of scientific and technical ideas and scientific and technical achievements, it has long been "released" wherever possible.

[Partizan]

Quote: Papakiko

... Wan Ming told the deputies that the shipyard in the city of Dalniy (Dalian) had begun ...

oh, they also copy the names of the settlements, well, a miracle country is simple.

[Partizan]

Quote: morpex

Don’t worry !!! By 2020 we will have five pieces! ...

maybe, maybe ... but if one more farts appear - everything, write, it was gone ... but what about summer cottages, road complexes, suburban ?? olympiads yet? No, what for, aircraft carriers, damn it, cruisers on ...

[servant.]

Taki and Serdyukov was going to build aircraft carriers, read http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/AW_XXI_01.html, and the new guidance along the way merges all these projects quietly! And all the equipment that is currently being delivered to the troops is being issued under contracts concluded by Serdyukov! The new leadership is only PR ...

[Partizan]

Quote: rolik2

Quote: vkrav

... And ukry (this is a scientific term coined by a great yusch! - do not touch censorship!) Tearing hair on the pope that hurried to cut the second aircraft carrier.

And I thought that banderlog .....
"Ulyanovsk" was not built by Ukraine, but the weight of the Soviet Union, during its collapse, not only the CUSTOMER was lost, but all the contracting enterprises, and alone Ukraine was simply not able to .....

that's for sure - uk.ry is not able, but what does anyone have to do with building - "the hair on the priest is tearing" it is still ukry

[servant.]

Quote: Sergh

Quote: REDBLUE

Take cars Chery

Hmm yeah!
Our old friend took this CHERY a year ago, we all went to look, compare, touch, kick the wheels. Drugan was pleased both cheaply and angrily. A year has passed with a small one, I meet him at a large supermarket, we approach the parking lot to the cars, ah, I ask: well, how is CHERY? And he was surprised, Drugan spat for five or seven minutes, then silently parted.
Here in my memory such a Chinese case. Very fresh.

In 2007 I had a little cheek, only positive impressions left for two years, but there was nothing to compare with, there was 10k before him, so I didn’t give a damn about it !!! By the way, he sold it not because he was bad, but because money for a new, higher class appeared. Those Chinese cars that are now sold with that cheerik and there’s nothing to compare but about our auto industry and reluctance to remember ... By the way, the Chinese sedan is recognized as the safest http://auto.mail.ru/article.html?id=44999. Where is our auto industry? Right in .... e !!!

[dmitrij.blyuz]

My wife is a fielder. 10-year-old. I have a Chery-2 year old. Before him is Nissan Sunny. I have no problems. In picking up the acoustics, my mother is not upset. At -30 without problems. wheelbarrow.

[Day 11]

And I drive this Mr. Priora .The rich have all become ...

[dmitrij.blyuz]

It’s not a matter of wealth. I took Cheryuha — don’t believe it, your Priora is cheaper. But I took a new one. From China under my own power — excellent. Now there’s about 5 o'clock in the region. Full frills and a 5-year guarantee on the case, like Nissan 12! Good rattletone.

[servant.]

Quote: Den 11

And I drive this Mr. Priora .The rich have all become ...

Poverty is not a vice, it would not be possible to buy something more worthy, I would also go to AvtoVAZ ... And yet they started to improve the quality, but here are the prices .... In their class, foreign cars of the Russian assembly caught up with prices, but not in quality, alas ...
I know people who have six in the garage next to a powertrain, but their friend is not just standing there actively driving her ..

[D_L]

China with its economy why not! Easily. The yuan will grow stronger as the fleet grows. But the Americans have something to think about.

[Power]

It’s interesting that we are neighbors in China, and why should the Americans think for some reason?

[Memorandum]

... because it is a ship. That's when! Super! Tank! they’ll launch a super series, and then our people will worry ... :)

[Partizan]

Quote: serviceman.

Taki and Serdyukov was going to build aircraft carriers, read https: //bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/ASCH_HHI_01.html, and the new leadership on the go merges all these projects quietly! And all the equipment that is currently being delivered to the troops is being issued under contracts concluded by Serdyukov! The new leadership is only PR ...

so what? he just "stated" and just about the development, well, you can "develop" anything), and also added that there is no money and never will be as a minimum until 2020 - that is, as bee directly and said - when the cancer on the mountain whistles.

quote: "The Russian Ministry of Defense has ordered the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) to develop an advanced design for a promising aircraft-carrying cruiser. According to Interfax, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said. He noted that funding for the construction of such ships by the Russian state armaments program for 2011- 2020 is not foreseen. "There is no such money until 2020, and we do not plan," the minister said.

[servant.]

The new leadership of Moscow Region does not even state! Yes, and read the article and not pull out quotes! While the new leadership is reaping laurels from contracts concluded by Serdyukov ...

[URAL72]

Quote: Basarev

Come on. The Chinese are absolutely impossible to build their own never stolen nose. This is impossible even theoretically

The Chinese aircraft carrier ocean platform, essentially a sea-based terminal ”- TMB, will have about 1000 meters in length and 200 meters in width, with a height of 35 meters (average 9-storey building).
The terminal will have a draft of 4-6 m and a total displacement of 800 tons. The floating platform will be equipped with an autonomous energy system that will allow you to move around without the help of tugboats. According to the plan, TMB will be able to accommodate about 000 marines on its board (which is two and a half times more than in a project of a similar US naval base). On the upper deck, it is possible to place about 5 multipurpose fighters at the same time. Such a platform is able to completely replace the existing air base in Hong Kong. And in terms of capabilities to support the actions of the Navy and the maneuver of aviation, the TMB will significantly exceed any ground-based station.
According to one expert, the construction of several TMBs (cruise home port) will not only violate the “protective chain of islands” that cover the continental territory of the United States in the Pacific Ocean, but also “force the United States into the background in the region.”

[Boa kaa]

Quote: URAL72

The Chinese aircraft carrier ocean platform ... but also "will force the United States to recede into the background in the region."

Extremely interesting info. I would like to get a reference.
Essentially a problem. A kilometer-long hydro-technical construction DW = 800 thousand tons, inactive ... You can’t even imagine the joys of Amer. submariners!
On the other hand. I can’t even imagine how many forces will need to be used to organize the universal defense of such a monster! And the fact that the axes and the Hornets will go to it from different directions and heights, and with minimal intervals of the approach of the KR to the goal - this does not even need to go to the shaman. This is in a conventional war, and if with the use of nuclear weapons, the very first WWII will sweep away all the aircraft on board from the deck.
And then, this structure will immediately become the main goal for the Yankees aircraft carrier aircraft. Remember Midway, Iwo Jima ... No, I would not risk building such brontosaurs for the sake of a single rise in aviation. IMHO.

[kelevra]

Here are nimble!

[Conepatus]

China has much less maritime borders than Russia. But the ambitions are enormous. But this is not the main thing, the main thing is that China is ready to invest in its ambitions, and in Russia they are reporting about another anti-diversion boat. Frankly speaking, reading about the next plans of China. , "the toad crushes"

[servant.]

Quote: Conepatus

Frankly speaking, reading about the next plans of China, "the toad crushes"

There is such a thing ....
It's a shame for over 20 years spent by the country on squandering what has been created for decades ....

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Conepatus

China, the sea borders, are much smaller than Russia

Russia has almost no sea borders. Russia has ICE borders

The length of the sea borders of the Russian state is 38 808 kilometers - of which 19 724 km pass along the coast of the Arctic Ocean: the Barents, Kara, Laptev, East Siberian and Chukchi seas. Where shipping without icebreakers is impossible, negative average annual temperature, icing, pack ice, hummocks and polar night. There are no major cities, no ports, or even military bases - the bare coast, the tundra. There is no one and no one to protect from. The use of surface warships in the Arctic is IMPOSSIBLE

The remaining thousands of kilometers are located on the wild coast of the Far East and Kamchatka. The only developed places are the "puddle" of the Baltic and Black Seas - just a mockery of the "largest sea borders" of Russia

Nothing like China where all industrial centers are located on the coast of the warm tropical sea

China population density distribution

[Megre]

When he served in the Far East, he talked with the officers who took part in the hostilities in the border conflict on Damansky Island in 1969. Opinion about Chinese soldiers and officers: Extremely harsh, fanatical, not stinging their soldiers (what to say about the soldiers of the enemy). GENERAL OPINION EXTREMELY SERIOUS OPPONENT. And this at a time when the army of the Soviet Union was THE STRONGEST ARMY OF THE WORLD. Incidentally, it seemed very difficult to stop the five millionth army of China with small arms. The emphasis was on tank armies, aviation and tactical nuclear weapons. The fortified areas were designed to contain from a few days to a week and a half.
PS My opinion is that China is our MAJOR OPPONENT, FOR I WILL APPLY FOR OUR TERRITORIES. Thanks to the authors of articles about the growing military power of China. These topics need to be raised. There is still time to prepare for a war with China or to prevent a war.

[Yura]

My urgent mid-seventies, Amur region, and your opinion:

that China is our MAJOR OPPONENT, FOR IT IS CLAIMING FOR OUR TERRITORIES. Thanks to the authors of articles about the growing military power of China. These topics need to be raised. There is still time to prepare for a war with China or to prevent a war.

this is my opinion too. Everything about China is seriously and without jokes.

[120352]

Aircraft carrier, speak? And where did they get a 3D printer of this size?

[Xolod]

Laughter, laughter, and on the tape, there has been news lately that the British will use 3D printing for the manufacture of spare parts for aircraft.

[Xolod]

This is the pace of construction ... amazing.

[Rurikovich]

Copying and building an aircraft carrier for China does not seem to be a major obstacle, even several. Another thing is that you need to complete the crews, create balanced air wings for everyone. Justify the use of these aircraft carriers and their main weapons - aircraft and helicopters. Prepare personnel for aviation. That requires much more time and money due to the specifics of use. Then you need to create basing points for these aircraft carriers, capable of supporting the life support of the ship when out of combat campaigns and for repairs. (Whatever happens, as with "Kuznetsov", which at the base exhausted his power plant to maintain the ship in good condition.) And on all this will take a lot of time and money. But since China is just beginning to master this direction in manning the Navy, there are still many mistakes to be made. And this is time and money again.
If you want to know what kind of war the state is preparing for, see how and with what speed its armed forces are developing. Places of deployment, transport infrastructure for deployment, etc. in accordance with the usual canons of battle tactics and war strategies.
So here you need to take into account multiple factors. And they are not in favor of the appearance of the carrier battle armada of China tomorrow.
So, for me, let them build it. And Russia needs to look carefully at the fanged Dragon, because. his army was grown not only quantitatively, but also qualitatively. And who knows what will happen tomorrow. Not the fact that there is enough courage to press the red button ...

[Megre]

I agree with you. In principle, it would be beneficial for us if they completely switched to the carrier fleet. But they can also work with the ground forces. Ten thousand tanks .... modern tanks! And pressing the red button will be difficult. If they explode at lightning speed, they will be in the depths of our territory. And to hit our population is not to hit the enemy. Theoretically calculate the places of possible tank breakthroughs, mine tactical nuclear mines at the nearest approaches to the border. And the most important conclusion is to make this theater of alleged military operations a priority and strengthen it in every way.
PS But does our rulers have this understanding? There is probably a part of the political elite, but are they playing the main violin now?

[Conepatus]

Only then these monkeys will have to recapture this territory. All these square kilometers of flax and fallen trees, permafrost, one and a half roads, all this will need to be returned under flocks of mosquitoes and midges the size of a palm.

[nerd.su]

For the Temple of Chi Khinovka Respect!

But with the description of Western Siberia you have a bad time. Sinbad the sailor was the same boastful, but he somehow composed poetic ...

[AGM-114]

They build an aircraft carrier, and they get a cousin’s trough.

[Azzi]

In October last year, China announced the construction of an aircraft carrier based on "its own intellectual rights."

As expected, aircraft carriers similar to Liaoning will be built in Dalian. They will belong to the so-called STOBAR (Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery) type, in which the ship does not have a catapult, but is equipped with a springboard and aerofinners. According to the agency, the construction of aircraft carriers in Dalian is a logical decision of the authorities, since the shipyard, which was engaged in the completion of the purchased "Varyag", is well acquainted with the features of ships of this type. The construction of a fully Chinese aircraft carrier will take about six years.

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/01/22/aircarrier/

Still copies.