Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs

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Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs

The future of Russian unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and uninhabited vehicles is not perfect. Such information is contained in a report published by the International Reliefs and Security Network.

Expert Mark Galeotti believes that there are serious doubts about Russia's financial and technical capabilities, which probably will not allow the implementation of this program.

«UAVs “These are not toys,” said Russian President Vladimir Putin. - We will not use them the way other countries use them. This is not a computer game." It may be so, but Russia's desire to create a powerful armed forces in a period of demographic problems may bring the development of UAVs and robotic military equipment closer. This idea reflects the enthusiasm expressed by various departments responsible for homeland security in putting such devices into service. However, the future will show whether the budget and technological development of the country will be able to cope with this task.

Despite the fact that fears of an approaching demographic crisis are largely unfounded, Russia in the near future will obviously have to face a shortage of draftees. Attempts to solve problems that have arisen, including, due to the reduction of compulsory military service to one year, by increasing the number of young men called up, do not bring significant success. Despite the desire to increase the total number of contract servicemen for 50 thousand people per year - from 241 thousand in 2013 to 420 thousand in 2017 - it becomes clear that Russia will have to spend more time on this project: even in the past year, the contract recruitment plan was not implemented; it should be borne in mind that many of them refuse to renew the original three-year contract. In the future, in the conditions of a probable economic crisis, military service may become somewhat more attractive, however, under current conditions, the life of military personnel, the prestige of their profession and payment do not allow attracting the necessary number of citizens with appropriate skills.

As a result, according to experts, the military power of the Russian army is at about 82 percent of the required level. The obvious solution to the lack of personnel is a qualitative improvement in the armed forces. At the same time, a more general question arises whether a country can afford to maintain a million-strong army, which is considered vital by the leadership of the country. In this situation, the level of training of soldiers can be improved by creating a corps of professional sergeants (whose role in the Western armies is quite significant) and improving the skills of the officer corps, which, with due attention to it, can play a positive role, and in the absence of this attention, - have an extremely negative impact.
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  1. +30
    21 January 2014 10: 20
    Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs


    After the 91st, many did not believe in Russia either ...
    1. +25
      21 January 2014 10: 22
      Hitler did not believe the same ... in the power of Russian weapons!
      1. +25
        21 January 2014 10: 35
        We lag behind in their creation, it is a fact. But the possibility of creating, if not superior, then not inferior to the analogues of other UAVs is! Soon everyone will know everything as soon as they enter the series and begin to be used, and now let them stink, they don’t get anything else!
        1. +1
          21 January 2014 21: 29
          Quote: Romn
          We lag behind in their creation, it is a fact. But the possibility of creating, if not superior, then not inferior to the analogues of other UAVs is! Soon everyone will know everything as soon as they enter the series and begin to be used, and now let them stink, they don’t get anything else!

          In the USSR, the UAV "Buran" was launched into space and planted entirely on domestic components and software .. (with the humpback it was quickly written off as unpromising ..) And if we continued development ..? .. (they continued in Israel, and States) And we still have some secrets ... So they shouldn't giggle in the West ..
        2. +1
          21 January 2014 22: 01
          Quote: Romn
          We lag behind in their creation, it is a fact. But the possibility of creating, if not superior, then not inferior to the analogues of other UAVs is!


          It’s just that some d.effective managers by their actions, and more correctly, inaction, gave rise to such conversations.
        3. 0
          26 January 2014 09: 24
          The less our sworn friends know, the better we sleep wink
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    4. +3
      21 January 2014 10: 49
      NEXT NERK.
    5. +23
      21 January 2014 10: 57
      Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs

      So what? I don’t believe in Santa Claus either, but HE IS! laughing
      1. +5
        21 January 2014 13: 16
        Quote: major071
        I don’t believe in Santa Claus either

        What kind of familiarity? Not "Santa Claus", but "Marshal of the USSR / RF Weather and Climate Troops." soldier
      2. DuraLexSedLex.
        +4
        21 January 2014 13: 16
        Inspired by a phrase from DMB about the gopher)))
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    7. +1
      21 January 2014 11: 32
      I think that they should not doubt that (s)
      that there are serious doubts about the financial and technical capabilities of Russia


      Because there is more money in Russia than in other countries of the world fellow wassat belay
    8. +9
      21 January 2014 11: 53
      Despite the fact that fears of an approaching demographic crisis are largely unfounded, Russia in the near future will obviously have to face a shortage of draftees.


      And why not allow Russian children from South-Eastern Ukraine and Russian-speaking Ukrainians not to serve in the Russian army? There are many options, from granting citizenship to funds for buying a home in Ukraine, in order to keep the Russian core there? And so that it would not hurt the Russians directly, who were lucky to stay on the territory of Russia after the 1991, Russians from Ukraine, to give money for housing with a delay in years. Or is it better to call on Caucasians?
      1. Platov
        -10
        21 January 2014 14: 22
        Why do we need mishandled Cossacks.
        1. +3
          21 January 2014 14: 29
          In vain you are so categorically about the Cossacks. It seems in Russia really poh .. on the abandoned Russian cities of Kharkov, Odessa, Lugansk, etc.
    9. AVV
      +2
      21 January 2014 15: 44
      This is an attempt of the West to drag us into the next unmanned arms race !!! We’d better destroy enemy drones and land them !!! And we will have these devices, especially since the world's first unmanned aerial vehicle made an automatic flight, and not in America, this is Buran !!! Let drip on the brain, someone else !!!
    10. sens99.ru
      -1
      21 January 2014 17: 04
      Pff Stanislavsky also did not believe bully laughing wassat
    11. 0
      21 January 2014 20: 42
      Many foreigners still do not believe, so let's not spoil their surprise, the time will come and the same stupid and pathetic expression will appear on their faces as the Germans in '45.
    12. +1
      21 January 2014 22: 22
      Everything rests on Putin, he will leave and everything will end, well, or again lucky.
    13. +2
      21 January 2014 22: 29
      Do Russian blas believe in Western experts?
    14. 0
      22 January 2014 03: 03
      if they’re talking about they don’t believe, then we are on the right track
  2. A.YARY
    +2
    21 January 2014 10: 22
    There would be at least dozens of such !!!! Eeeeh!
  3. +11
    21 January 2014 10: 24
    Do not care. Enti iksperty and in the 41st said that the USSR had tanks of plywood, and the Red Army would last against the Wehrmacht, a couple of weeks at most. So, they go with their analyzes, field, forest, then peat bog ... to the clinic.
    1. +3
      21 January 2014 10: 28
      But partly they were right. And in this article the obvious existing problems that are trying to solve are emphasized.
  4. +14
    21 January 2014 10: 26
    The main thing is not to transfer the development and production of these devices to CHUBAIS.
  5. +6
    21 January 2014 10: 27
    Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs
    Well, the flag is in them, the main thing is that we believe and do
  6. andruha70
    +4
    21 January 2014 10: 28
    Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs
    The future of Russian unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and uninhabited vehicles is not perfect.
    and about the first SATELLITE and about Gagarin - they also spoke. However ... tongue
  7. +4
    21 January 2014 10: 31
    Yes, let them continue to play their "camomile, I believe or do not believe", what is it to us? At the moment, the opinion of the "partners" has little effect on the further course of events.
    Re: This is our land, where we want, we set it there. (Shoigu about NATO’s concerns about the location of the Iskanders in the Kaliningrad region).
  8. -6
    21 January 2014 10: 32
    Let's take it simplistically:
    1. How many people need to service the aircraft: pilot, mechanic, dispatcher.
    2. How many people need to service an unmanned vehicle: a pilot (although he sits on the ground), a mechanic, a dispatcher.
    There is no saving of human resources.
    1. +10
      21 January 2014 10: 37
      Yes? Those. a downed pilot is not considered? Maybe it’s worth calculating the cost of training the pilot / operator, the cost of manufacturing the device and the cost of maintenance / repair? In fairness.
      1. +3
        21 January 2014 12: 45
        It may be worthwhile to calculate the cost of training the pilot / operator, the cost of manufacturing the device and the cost of maintenance / repair

        You forgot about the time that costs the most. Time to train a combat-ready pilot.
    2. +8
      21 January 2014 10: 38
      I do not agree. in battle, there is a saving, because the pilot does not die with the machine. Then, the development trend of control systems is such that one operator will be able to manage a UAV group. So there is where to move.
    3. series
      +8
      21 January 2014 11: 01
      Quote: HollyGremlin
      There is no saving of human resources.

      out of 1000 recruits .. for medical, psychological and intellectual indicators (professional suitability) how many people can you recruit as fighter pilots and UAV operators?
      I think that the difference will be - decimal, at least!
      and of those selected as pilots, how many will agree to risk their lives, and will not leave 5-6 years after graduating from civil aviation?
      or do you deny military-technical progress and future "inhuman" wars?
    4. +4
      21 January 2014 12: 35
      Quote: HollyGremlin
      There is no saving of human resources.

      And here you are mistaken! If they crash the plane, then the pilot will die (or even two, if the plane is double), and if they crash the UAV, they simply lose one unit and that’s it!
    5. Platov
      +2
      21 January 2014 14: 29
      Not a pilot, but an operator who can indulge in a coffee pot during a flight, read a book in the toilet, and then play a war game.
      1. +4
        21 January 2014 16: 12
        Do not forget the thing like the pilot's life support during the flight. Oxygen, heating, for long-range aviation also (excuse me) a toilet with a kettle, and dashboards, and also a place for the pilot, restriction on overloads, etc. etc.
        And now take an unmanned aircraft ... every year the electronics become smaller, the speed increases, etc. etc.

        On the other hand, there is a chance to cover the control center of drones with one hit, but just go find it at a distance of 2000 km or even more, especially since this center is guarded no less than any headquarters and air cover there is for sure.

        Drones are definitely needed!
  9. +5
    21 January 2014 10: 33
    The author retells old horror stories about Russia. The story of the creation of a corps of contract sergeants in our conditions did not take root and was abandoned long ago. The demographic problem is largely far-fetched, as is the need to maintain a million-strong army. But the question of lobbying the interests of one family, in the production of drones, has very negative consequences for the Russian Federation. It means that Mr. Poghosyan got involved in the production of heavy-class UAVs here too. If the Air Force and the President do not understand that this gentleman promises a lot, but in the end everything is not so good. "You cannot embrace the immensity." fool
  10. +15
    21 January 2014 10: 33
    Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs

    Russian UAVs do not believe in Western experts ...
    1. +5
      21 January 2014 10: 57
      Quote: Stiletto
      Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs

      Russian UAVs do not believe in Western experts ...

      The theme of anti-gay Sochi fades ...
      And I want to eat ...
      So write that the editor-in-chief ordered ... wassat
  11. 0
    21 January 2014 10: 35
    ... the military power of the Russian army, according to experts, is at about 82 percent of the required level.

    Nothing, we will gradually build up.
  12. +8
    21 January 2014 10: 35
    Do not believe)))
    did not believe in a 5th generation fighter, did not believe in a submarine at a speed of 40 knots, did not believe that we would fly into space ... etc.
    "Russia doesn’t understand,
    No yardstick to measure:
    She has a special feature -
    You can only believe in Russia."

    Vera
    - this is the main weapon of Russia.
    And they do not believe :) Let them not believe. it’s just for us.
  13. +2
    21 January 2014 10: 37
    for some reason they believed in Iranian and North Korean what a selective distrust. and the shortage in the army just stimulates unmanned warfare, they don’t know.
  14. +2
    21 January 2014 10: 38
    Do we need their trust? .....
    1. +2
      21 January 2014 10: 45
      Quote: Dwarfik
      Do we need their trust? .....

      Yeah like a dog 5th leg laughing
  15. +2
    21 January 2014 10: 38
    The West, as always, prefers wishful thinking ..... All of their statements are like a fool standing in front of a mirror and constantly repeating that he is smart ....... no mind is added, but self-esteem is growing)
  16. +3
    21 January 2014 10: 43
    “Unmanned aerial vehicles are not toys,” said Russian President Vladimir Putin. - We will not use them as other countries use. This is not a computer game. ”

    Yes, because it is no longer difficult to seize their control and nothing will prevent them from being sent in the opposite direction. This is yet another attempt to direct the amers into a costly channel. They (UAVs) are needed of course, but in the tasks strictly solved by them, and therefore there is no need to make a squadron meaning.
    Let the Americans breed them and all kinds of golden Zumwalt.
    1. +3
      21 January 2014 11: 00
      Quote: mhpv
      Yes, because it is no longer difficult to intercept their control and nothing will prevent them from being sent in the opposite direction

      Yes, although I would turn on the jammer.
      And the use of satellite navigation during a major military conflict is not worth a word.
  17. -1
    21 January 2014 10: 45
    THESE BOBIKS THEN BELIEVE - WHEN A UAV arrives in WASHINGTON and BRINGES A PERSON LETTER FROM PUTIN!
    bypassing ALL air defense of the country! probably DO NOT BELIEVE otherwise!
    1. +1
      21 January 2014 11: 02
      [quote = Nitarius] THESE BOBICS THEN BELIEVE / quote]
      These bobiks have already successfully sent several unmanned expeditions to Mars and into deep space, but we have the largest Pacific group of satellites with Phobos-Grunt to boot. And in electronics, we lagged behind the "bobby", and the UAV is primarily an electronic "brain". Unless we'll buy microcircuits from the Indians.
  18. +2
    21 January 2014 10: 49
    I did not understand what this post was about. About the opinion of foreign experts, about drones, or it is not clear whose opinion about military reforms and terms of service in the Russian army?
    100% yellowness gives, in the spirit of English scientists.
  19. +8
    21 January 2014 10: 51
    Strange. The title is about UAVs, and the article itself is about demography. Can it really be that demographic problems affect the creation of drones?
  20. +1
    21 January 2014 10: 52
    I did not understand what this post was about. About the opinion of foreign experts, about drones, or it is not clear whose opinion about military reforms and terms of service in the Russian army?
    100% yellowness gives, in the spirit of English scientists.

    By the way, we started to do UAVs one of the first. I saw them alive when, at the beginning of the 80, I worked in the design bureau of A.S., Yakovlev.
  21. philip
    0
    21 January 2014 10: 54
    Well done experts let them not believe.
  22. +1
    21 January 2014 10: 54
    Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs
    That's it. We will not do UAVs? They believe, they don’t believe, we are fucking ... In 1941 we were already measured out 6 weeks.
  23. 0
    21 January 2014 10: 57
    And further. Do not believe or wishful thinking?
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  25. +1
    21 January 2014 10: 58
    They don’t believe. Well and well. There will be a surprise.
  26. wanderer_032
    +2
    21 January 2014 11: 07
    Salagi from the West do not believe in Russian UAVs! request
    When they still walked under the table, we already had our own UAVs with jet engines.


    1. wanderer_032
      +3
      21 January 2014 11: 09
      Video topic:

  27. +4
    21 January 2014 11: 10
    Quote: Muadipus
    I do not agree. in battle, there is a saving, because the pilot does not die with the machine. Then, the development trend of control systems is such that one operator will be able to manage a UAV group. So there is where to move.

    A person can not stand such overloads as a drone can withstand, and life support is not necessary.
  28. DPN
    -1
    21 January 2014 11: 12
    While on earth there will be RUSSIANS, and WE WILL ALWAYS wake the West, never when it is necessary to believe In our achievements in science and industry.
    Hitler in hollowed out to them that they are the highest race, it seems that this also can not be eradicated, until the West becomes a Negroid race, before that it is not so long.
  29. 0
    21 January 2014 11: 19
    A lot of what the West did not believe in was completely in vain. So with high technology in UAVs - let them expect another surprise. And in general - believe it or not, it will not change anything, Russia will be the most powerful state, it is inevitable.
  30. Salamander
    +2
    21 January 2014 11: 23
    "I don’t believe it anyway!" What can I say ... Some of the following experts:
  31. +4
    21 January 2014 11: 33
    Well, damn it, I don’t believe it.
    The easiest way to say I do not believe is, and who asks you to believe?
    The financial capabilities and scientific potential of Russia in any higher than that of Israel or England, there is no smell of expertise here, another propaganda nonsense.
    Minus the article with pleasure hi
    1. Salamander
      +1
      21 January 2014 12: 48
      Here it is not clear to me: a person posts an anti-Russian article in order, so to speak, to show how they treat us "over the hill", they minus him, since the article is lying. Question: what will be the motive of people who post such information not out of conviction, but simply - to share? After all, they are minus ...
    2. +1
      21 January 2014 13: 59
      Quote: Old Rocketman
      The easiest way to say I do not believe is, and who asks you to believe?

      Here, continuous blah, blah, blah .... And not about the possibilities of Russia in the construction and operation of UAVs. Vasiliy, hi
  32. +2
    21 January 2014 11: 37
    Why not actually believe? The main thing, after all, is not the drone itself, but the entire complex that is involved ... Maybe they just do not believe in the possibility of our geolocation systems, or in the element base, or in the software, or in the availability of the necessary composite materials? Or maybe they think that they will be drawn by correspondence students headed by the assistant professor of the department of aerodynamics? They don't decipher it right away ... It's just the classic theatrical "I don't believe it!" and that's it ...
  33. +1
    21 January 2014 11: 54
    As a result, the military power of the Russian army, according to experts, is at about 82 percent of the required level. The obvious solution to the shortage of personnel is a qualitative improvement in the armed forces. At the same time, the more general question arises whether the country can afford to maintain a millionth army, which is considered by the country's leadership as a vital necessity.
    ------------------------------
    The war of the future will still degenerate into a war of robots, sooner or later ... Secondly, from war to war there is a greater percentage of civilian deaths than military ... There are such statistics on the Internet ...
  34. +1
    21 January 2014 13: 19
    Expert Mark Galeotti believes that there are serious doubts about Russia's financial and technical capabilities, which probably will not allow the implementation of this program.

    He and other respected experts also believe; into holy democracy, American exclusivity, same-sex marriage, game parades, and of course into the fact that Assad must leave. These people are strong in their faith. I think that when you see our shock drones above your wise heads, worthy gentlemen will still have time to assume that this is all a lie, a mirage and Putin’s propaganda.
  35. +1
    21 January 2014 13: 52
    So about the population more than about UAVs in the article, and where I did not catch the connection between demography and drones.
    1. 0
      21 January 2014 14: 00
      Well, like a few Russians, robots must fight for them.
    2. Platov
      +1
      21 January 2014 14: 43
      Communication is still insignificant, lack of workers at all levels. With the introduction of new technologies will come to naught.
  36. +1
    21 January 2014 14: 04
    We lag behind - it depends on whom. From the USA and Israel - yes, probably. From the rest - no, it seems. And just experts have no idea, like us, what stage these works are at the same MiG.
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  39. +1
    21 January 2014 14: 22
    Well, in fairness, you cannot blame Western experts for bias.
    Nobody has ever seen these UAVs in us, but what is generally bought from the Israelis. Its UAV level radio-controlled aircraft with a motor and the latest news about them was about two years ago.
  40. -1
    21 January 2014 14: 31
    A bear in pima cannot fly ... Like this? fool
  41. miraculous
    +1
    21 January 2014 14: 46
    Well do not believe and figs with them.
  42. +1
    21 January 2014 14: 47
    Western experts do not believe in Russian UAVs

    And what about the Russians, on the contrary?
  43. +3
    21 January 2014 15: 11
    I think ... there is faith on the side, if these "iksperty" were sure that Russia would not be able to create its own UAVs, then they would be silent in a rag, why rustle us reminding about the problem. The fact that the article immediately switched to conscripts and did not argue its "conclusions" in any way makes us think that this is a propaganda trick and that’s all a bunch of stuff into our nervous system. Minus the article, destroy the enemy! There is a commander! soldier laughing
  44. 0
    21 January 2014 16: 59
    My colleagues, as a giraffe, have just realized that the US is constructing its UAVs for only one, but very important and objective reason - they will soon have no one to fly (as a result of avalanche breeding of gays and lesbians). We refused to deliver children to them, the others will soon refuse and then only drones. Russia is facing this problem, thank God it’s not.
    1. 0
      21 January 2014 17: 39
      Quote: GregAzov
      My colleagues, as a giraffe, just now realized that the US was constructing its UAVs for only one, but very important and objective reason - they would soon have no one to fly as a result of avalanche breeding of gays and lesbians

      No. The main reason for this is mistrust of the authorities towards people: information leakage and insecurity in some cases. In the context of globalization and total electronic control, the authorities do not want to trust a person, because he can deploy a weapon and not everyone will want to execute criminal orders. In general, the authorities are preparing the technical and legislative framework before introducing full control over the person.
      Perversions are introduced not so much to reduce the population as to disorientate, disorganize, divide and divert attention and, of course, as an expendable material in the fight against humanity. After the readers were installed in electric vehicles in January 2013 for cashless payments and attempts to introduce UECs completely unnecessary from 2014 on, I realized that there was not much time left.
      1. Salamander
        +1
        21 January 2014 18: 30
        Yes, and besides - no need to answer for the killed soldiers! There will be no protests against wars, since the soldiers will practically not die ... This is the "American dream"!
  45. kelevra
    0
    21 January 2014 17: 50
    This is their fucking business! They only believe in their pouty courage and idiotic exclusivity!
  46. +1
    21 January 2014 18: 02
    Western experts probably don't know that we had a "Buran" or was there a komikadze on it?
    And as for personnel, maybe for this purpose they created scientific companies in the Armed Forces?
    1. Month
      +2
      21 January 2014 18: 27
      Buran was the pinnacle in the structure of the UAV in those years, and even now many of the developments can be used for good.
      Imagine: load such a Buran with nuclear missiles (and there the bearing capacity was not bad as far as I remember), launch into orbit. He hangs out for a while, and at the right moment-bang-bang on the adversary.
      If I’m not mistaken, the USSR seriously considered this possibility, but then the act on the non-proliferation of weapons in space was signed ...
  47. Leshka
    -1
    21 January 2014 18: 14
    let them sit on their zapod and deal with gays and Muslims but don’t climb towards us
  48. +1
    21 January 2014 19: 34
    12 lines about something unmanned; the rest is about demography laughing
  49. Hug
    -1
    22 January 2014 04: 12
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    At the moment, working copies of this aircraft already exist, including its modification with vertical take-off and landing. Equipped with television, infrared and acoustic equipment, radiation, chemical and photographic intelligence equipment.

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  50. 0
    22 January 2014 05: 54
    We know these "experts" and "Sovietologists". The NATO military, in contrast to the kitchen experts, with a clever air giving comments on CNN, assess the situation more realistically. In any case, when dealing with the former. USMC military personnel have such an impression.