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Ukraine disrupts the repair of the Croatian MiG-21bis fighters

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According to the Croatian press, the delay in the timing of the delivery of repairs repaired in Ukraine to SE Odessa aviation the plant ”of the MiG-21bis and MiG-21UM fighters is already 100 days old. During the inspection of the repaired equipment, the Croatian test pilot Ivan Selak (Ivan Selak) found problems (in the form of noise of unknown origin) in the radio equipment. It should be noted that the Czech company ČLS was also responsible for the repair of radio equipment. At the same time, a satisfactory quality of engine repair was noted.


Ukraine disrupts the repair of the Croatian MiG-21bis fighters

Fighter MiG-21bis Croatian Air Force (c) Ministry of Defense of Croatia


According to our blog, the Croatian Ministry of Defense has not yet publicly expressed concerns about delays in repairing, citing one of the reasons for the delay as “bad weather conditions in the area of ​​the aircraft repair plant.” Representatives of the Ministry of Defense are optimistic and promise that in the near future the country's air force will receive repaired airplanes, from which even real air-to-air P-60 missiles will be launched. This is all the more relevant for Croatia, which, as of mid-January 2014, has not a single operational MiG-21 left.

In addition, according to the information received by bmpd, even if formally MiG-21bis are transferred to the Croatian side, they will not be able to use their Sapphire RP-22CMA radar, which are virtually inoperable. Repairing them turned out to be too difficult (or expensive).

Note bmpd. History with the Croatian MiG-21 in Ukraine once again confirms the complexity and risks of contacting dumping repair companies in Eastern Europe and the CIS, which do not always have the necessary capabilities for full repair. For Croatia, this is the second such case after the failure of an appeal to Romania to repair and upgrade the same MiG-21 at the Aerostar enterprise.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 21 January 2014 10: 15
    +8
    Let them turn to the country of manufacture of the aircraft ... the cheapness of the repair should alert ...
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 21 January 2014 10: 26
      0
      ShturmKGB
      cheap repair should alert ...


      Something our "colleagues" from the Ukrainian military-industrial complex are not doing. Thank God, there is a jamb on a jamb. I'm not joking, but delays in terms have become a system, however, personally, I stopped being surprised for a long time.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 21 January 2014 12: 01
        +3
        Ukraine disrupts the repair of the Croatian MiG-21bis fighters

        All on the Maidan ... They want to Europe to quickly shut down the plants that need to work and repair MiG-21bis within EU technical regulations wassat
        1. AVV
          AVV 21 January 2014 15: 35
          0
          Maydanutyh in Europe, the blue ones already at the border are waiting for them not to MIGs !!! And especially not to repair they would have to repair their brains !!!
    2. Civil
      Civil 21 January 2014 10: 32
      +2
      They have more important things to do, they are moving to Europe by leaps and bounds.
    3. svp67
      svp67 21 January 2014 15: 14
      +2
      ShturmKGB
      Let the country of the aircraft manufacturer contact ...
      Alas, the USSR is already gone ... but the old defense industry system still lives on, so that the appeal to Ukraine can be explained ...
    4. rolik2
      rolik2 21 January 2014 18: 22
      +4
      ShturmKGB
      cheap repair should alert ...

      July 8, 2013 in Zagreb, an agreement was signed on the modernization of the MiG-21. The reason for the conclusion of this contract was the extremely unsatisfactory level of modernization work on the Romanian Aerostar: the failure of the electronics and the actual incapacity of the radars revealed the futility of a formal modernization.

      It is worth noting that the Ukrainian offer turned out to be much cheaper than the Romanian one, and also included an option to buy MiG-21s, which Jordan did not buy at one time: under the terms of the contract, Ukraine will modernize and repair 7 MiG-21s from the Croatian Air Force, and another 5 aircraft brought to Ukraine in accordance with the standard are delivered from belonging to SE “Odesaviaremservis”.

      Ukrainian modernization involves not only a complete overhaul, but also the replacement of analog equipment with digital (partly, with regard to navigation and internal and external communication systems - Czech production), repair of radars, installation of GPS - navigators, equipment that allows the use of AIM-9 Sidewinder AIM-9L and AIM-9M versions.

      The reason for the delay was navigation and communication systems designed to operate flights in the airspace controlled by civil services (Czech production).
      1. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 21 January 2014 23: 33
        +2
        Leave. Do not spoil the holiday for people - let them gloat. And we Ukrainians will have extra information to think about - is it worth striving for the taiga union to unite with such "brothers" No.
  2. A.YARY
    A.YARY 21 January 2014 10: 18
    +2
    Quote
    this is the second such case after the failure of the appeal to Romania for the repair and modernization of the same MiG-21 at the Aerostar enterprise.
    And hi and further shorkayut on the outskirts !!! Orthodox they famously slaughtered.
  3. PANZER
    PANZER 21 January 2014 10: 31
    +3
    Ukraine breaks the deadlines for repairs

    This is normal, right now there is no way for Croatian exterminators
  4. JonnyT
    JonnyT 21 January 2014 10: 33
    +1
    Thanks to the brothers Slavs for causing damage to potential enemies)
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 21 January 2014 10: 36
      +2
      Quote: JonnyT
      Thanks to the brothers Slavs for causing damage to potential enemies)

      At least some good ... laughing
  5. makarov
    makarov 21 January 2014 10: 39
    -1
    "Croatia has not yet publicly expressed concern about delays in repairs, citing" bad weather conditions in the area of ​​the aircraft repair plant "as one of the reasons for the delay.

    So after all gas "has fallen in price", why hangars do not heat ?? I suppose the working people got the hang of saving the damned.
    1. rolik2
      rolik2 21 January 2014 18: 02
      +3
      makarov you're Ukrainian, not tired of cherishing your country? Take the example of Russians who, for one negative mention of their country, unanimously slaughter anyone.
      1. alone
        alone 21 January 2014 21: 59
        0
        Quote: rolik2
        makarov you're Ukrainian, not tired of cherishing your country? Take the example of Russians who, for one negative mention of their country, unanimously slaughter anyone.


        I think it will be fairer if some users change the flag to those born in the USSR.
        And then somehow it turns ugly
        1. rolik2
          rolik2 21 January 2014 22: 25
          +3
          Well, I was born in the USSR and that I have to scum the country where I live?
      2. makarov
        makarov 22 January 2014 06: 28
        -1
        This is not about Ukraine, but about those grabbers who lower its authority below the plinth.
        But your koment shines with natural uniqueness. It turns out that if I criticize the grabbers and dishonest binoculars, is it against Ukraine ???
        Agree, this is some kind of perversion.
        PS
        Yes, and I didn’t notice that the site would be protected by RUSSIAN Chubais, Serdyukov, Vasiliev and others ..
        It's not about nationality, but about villains and scoundrels.
        1. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 22 January 2014 07: 31
          -1
          Quote: makarov
          It’s not about Ukraine, but about those grabbers,


          newcomers?

          Quote: makarov
          ... lower her authority below the plinth.


          "-Do not express concern in this regard" vadel


          Quote: makarov
          It turns out that if I criticize the grabbers and dishonest binoculars, is it against Ukraine ???


          it turns out that you attribute all the good things to eastern Ukraine, and write off all negativity and shoals to the account of Westerners ... a sort of two-faced resident of an independent
          1. makarov
            makarov 22 January 2014 08: 56
            -2
            Do not ascribe your own conclusions to me personally. Where in the comment mentions of the east or west of Ukraine ???
            Do not distort !!! Be ashamed.
  6. family tree
    family tree 21 January 2014 10: 39
    +1
    These Natsik Ustash, also repair aircraft? Although yes, business, nothing personal.
  7. Muadipus
    Muadipus 21 January 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Strange people these Croats, not really can not wait. In Ukraine there are more important things than their planes, for example, to burn a couple of cop buses, ... the revolution excites the minds ... what the hell are the planes? like children, by golly.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 25 January 2014 10: 41
      0
      Quote: Muadipus
      revolution excites minds ..


      laughing not ... a bad head does not give rest to hands -
      Quote: Muadipus
      burn a couple of cop buses

      F * m * o Muadipus close your mouth

      And I respect the guys from Berkut and other departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      And to sneeze at me like people who pour mud on guys from law enforcement agencies.
  8. VADEL
    VADEL 21 January 2014 11: 01
    +2
    Quote: perepilka
    Although yes, business, nothing personal.

    Odessans to Croats:
    -Rap, damn it, they broke it completely. BUT nothing personal. repeat
    Croats:
    -Don't express concern in this regard. wassat
  9. Nasty pirate
    Nasty pirate 21 January 2014 12: 25
    0
    The Croatian Ministry of Defense has not yet publicly expressed concern about delays in repairs, citing one of the reasons for the delay "bad weather in the area of ​​the aircraft repair plant".

    Bad weather this winter chtoli?
  10. Old Cynic
    Old Cynic 21 January 2014 12: 30
    +1
    found problems (in the form of noises of unknown origin) in the radio equipment


    Really heard how positrons against electrons (with complete passivity of neutrons) on ElectroMaidan protest?
  11. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 21 January 2014 12: 48
    +2
    Under the terms of the contract, the first modernized aircraft were supposed to be delivered to the Croatian Air Force in October 2013, however, due to the fault of the Czech subcontractor company, navigation and communication systems designed to operate in civilian controlled airspace were not delivered on time.

    What does Ukraine have to do with it?
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 21 January 2014 12: 53
      +2
      Dear, Croatia has signed an agreement on modernization with whom? With a Czech subcontractor? Or is it still with Ukraine?

      So sho "problems of Ukraine Croatia do not care"
      You, having ordered a washing machine home and 100% paid for its delivery and installation, will not listen to the plaintive bleating of a certain manager, they say someone lost the key to the warehouse, so Uncle Vasya could not leave ... for six months. ..
    2. rolik2
      rolik2 21 January 2014 13: 45
      +2
      Quote: Kowalsky
      What does Ukraine have to do with it?

      Well, the author deliberately distorted the facts so that the next hohlosrach would burn out, and about the fact that the Czechs are to blame for the disruption of supplies, the Czechs and the Russians do not want to figure it out, read "Ukraine breaks down" and forward the stray will flood everything with guan.
      1. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 21 January 2014 14: 01
        -1
        Well, the author deliberately distorted the facts so that the next hohlosrach would burn out, and about the fact that the Czechs are to blame for the disruption of supplies, the Czechs and the Russians do not want to figure it out, read "Ukraine breaks down" and forward the stray will flood everything with guan.


        I'm sorry, what??? Did you learn punctuation in France? Oh yes ... You have something else headed there ... Where are you, poor ...

        the author intentionally misrepresented the facts

        Evidence of fraud - IN STUDIO !!!


        about the fact that the Czechs are to blame for the disruption of supplies and do not want to understand, they read "Ukraine breaks down" and forward the stray floods with guan will reach everything


        Of course, I knew that our exam was written off from the West. But that there was even dumber ...
        Dear, do you even read what you write?

        that the Czechs are to blame for the disruption of supplies and they don’t want to understand

        And where does the delivery ??? Who contracted for repairs? And what should we understand? Yes, by the way, two commas and a soft sign are missing.

        read "Ukraine breaks down" and forward the stray floods with guan everything they can reach


        And it pulls you to send textbooks of Russian grammar from first to third grade! And as a bonus - also the alphabet !!! Alphabet, preferably, edited by L.N. Tolstoy, you worship him in sunny France ...

        Dear, as they said at the time of my youth: "You can’t fuck - don’t torment * oop!"
        Illiterate in Russian - do not write on it!
        1. rolik2
          rolik2 21 January 2014 17: 34
          +4
          You weren’t taught punctuation in France

          as I want and write laughing (if it’s honest, now on a business trip I’m sitting in a field I’m using an old state-owned laptop, his keyboard is stuck on every second letter to be fixed in scrap)
          Evidence of fraud - IN STUDIO !!!

          catch http://green-stone13.livejournal.com/?skip=20 this article was published long before that on the bmpd page that and that was not completely reposted so that hi

          And where does the delivery ??? Who contracted for repairs?


          Well, write it as it is "That, due to the fault of the Czech subcontractor company, navigation and communication systems intended for flights in airspace controlled by civil services were not delivered on time, the Czech company, which is responsible for the modernization of navigation and communication systems, for the first time integrates them into aircraft of this type, which caused technical problems. "
  12. morpex
    morpex 21 January 2014 15: 54
    -1
    Quote: Old Cynic
    And it pulls you to send textbooks of Russian grammar from first to third grade!

    Send !!! Mandatory !!! Like some users here ....
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 22 January 2014 00: 34
      0
      and some also need a geography textbook to spell the name of my country correctly. Well, textbooks of ethics, morality, rules of conduct and banal politeness. In general, this is not the topic - to learn the grammar of another, despite the fact that he made a mistake much less than many native Russians. You finish here to arrange a srach.
      By the way, Odessa is modernizing Migi, but the systems are obviously not Ukrainian, but under NATO and they are just being prepared by allies in Europe.
      Quote: rolik2
      Well, write it as it is "That, due to the fault of the Czech subcontractor company, navigation and communication systems intended for flights in airspace controlled by civil services were not delivered on time, the Czech company, which is responsible for the modernization of navigation and communication systems, for the first time integrates them into aircraft of this type, which caused technical problems. "

      I agree with this. The title of the article, just to be in trend - "Crap the neighbors, they have something dead there"
      end with that.
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 24 January 2014 00: 18
        0
        Quote: Cristall
        and some also need a geography textbook to spell the name of my country correctly.


        was - USSR

        Now they write - Independent or Ukraine

        What's the catch?
      2. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 24 January 2014 00: 50
        0
        Quote: Cristall
        and some also need a geography textbook to spell the name of my country correctly


        would not be dishonored!

        how to write proper names you can find out -
        Proper name. Spelling of proper names ... and geography has nothing to do with it
  13. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 21 January 2014 17: 05
    +1
    Interesting news.
    I did not know that the old MIG-21s are still in the ranks somewhere.
  14. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 21 January 2014 17: 16
    +2
    The first MiG-21s appeared at the Croatian Air Force, when in October 1991 one MiG-21R was hijacked to Austria, and later three more MiG-21MF flew to the airports of Pleso and Zagreb. It was decided to make the MiG-21 the main aircraft: fortunately, all the pilots mastered it very well, and besides, on the European market this aircraft cost a little more than a used car (the "Soviet" republics and East Germany were actively getting rid of the fleet of these outdated fighters). As a result, by 2001, the fleet includes about 30 aircraft of various modifications. During the fighting, the Serbs shot down 4 Croatian MiG-21s.
    Under the terms of the agreement, Ukrspetsexport is to carry out repairs and modernization of 7 MiG-21 aircraft owned by the Air Force of the Republic of Croatia. In addition, the Ministry of Defense of Croatia acquires 5 repaired MiG-21, which are the property of Odesaviaremservis SE. At the 1 of January 2014 of the year, the Croatian Air Force had only three MiG-21 aircraft capable of flying and fulfilling the tasks of protecting the country's airspace. That is, with the repaired, the Croats will have 15 MiG-21.

    MiG-21 Croatian Air Force
  15. kelevra
    kelevra 21 January 2014 17: 49
    0
    Naturally, when a bunch of traitors on the Maidan arranged some crap, then not only repairs, in general, all military contracts can be flunked! What I would not want!
  16. Leshka
    Leshka 21 January 2014 18: 17
    0
    let them look for other repairmen
  17. Irokez
    Irokez 21 January 2014 19: 35
    0
    I don’t get it at all. MiG strioli these planes and then can not organize their massive repair and upgrade.
    - replacement of engines or their repair;
    - other components of the aircraft kinematics mechanics, hydraulics, electrics;
    - New avionics, and this also increases the possibilities of application;
    And everywhere, as in the market, the more units of modernization the cheaper (wholesale).
    For poor countries, the secondary market for these aircraft is just a godsend, and right now the Indians will refuse to give up their 21sts so to bribe and organize squadrons and the like.
    In close combat, of course, he wasn’t so hot, but where did you see the duel of airplanes right now, and everyone can fly on a specific mission with cover or without - flew in, shot back.
    It is possible to process the engine using modern technologies and make it more heavily armed and economical, and this is an improvement in performance characteristics.
    Even a new radar from newer aircraft can be adapted or developed in general AFAR for him, which is very good.
    There was a proposal, but there is a client.
  18. ran nearby
    ran nearby 24 January 2014 01: 32
    +1
    Lord Russians, Maidan not in Odessa, Maidan in Kiev. And there are practically no Maidan Odessites there.
    I observed the test flights of the repaired MIGs every day, since the end of December, since I work near the strip with which flights are operated.
    Well, I personally know a person who is engaged in the repair of aircraft at our aircraft repair plant. Great welder! He showed pictures from business trips in Libya, Syria - well, before the well-known events.
    So sho request - well, turn on the brain sometimes, do not hang Maidan dogs on everyone and everything.
    Sincerely.