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"Peter the Great" and "Admiral Nakhimov" will be upgraded

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Peter the Great (nuclear cruiser)



After the transfer to the Russian Navy in 2018 of the upgraded Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear missile cruiser Project 1144 Orlan, a new production cooperation that will carry out work on the ship will be involved in the repair and modernization of the Northern cruiser of the same type fleet "Peter the Great".

This was announced today by ITAR-TASS source in the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).

"In the future, the new cooperation, performing work under the contract on the Admiral Nakhimov, will be used for repairs with the modernization of the same type nuclear missile cruiser Peter the Great, which is currently performing tasks in the Mediterranean Sea," he said.

The interviewee confirmed that the first preparatory stage of the repair and modernization of Admiral Nakhimov is being conducted at Sevmash in accordance with the contract signed last year between the enterprise and the Russian Ministry of Defense, while the modernization project is being developed by the Northern Design Bureau in St. Petersburg. Petersburg "It is planned that the" Admiral Nakhimov "will be handed over to the Navy in 2018. Modern complexes will be installed on the ship weapons and weapons, which will significantly increase its combat potential and capabilities, ”said a source in the USC, without specifying the number and types of weapons.

Meanwhile, the commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, during a visit to the Naval Academy to them. Kuznetsov in St. Petersburg 2 of September last year told reporters that the "Admiral Nakhimov" after modernization "will carry up to 80 rocket units of various purposes." According to sources in the Navy Headquarters, the cruiser, in particular, will be equipped with the Caliber missile system, which Russian first-class surface ships do not yet have and which will continue testing in the Yasen nuclear submarine in the summer, as well as air defense - the “Polyment-Redut” missile system (SAM), also undergoing tests. “As a result of the installation of new weapons and weapons systems, the Admiral Nakhimov will become multi-purpose - capable of striking not only enemy groups of ships, primarily aircraft carriers, but also coastal targets,” sources at the General Staff said.

A source in the USC also said that the main power plant (GEM) "Admiral Nakhimov" will not be replaced, but it will have to be repaired and modernized. “At the plant, work will be done that will enhance its nuclear, radiation and technological safety,” he explained.
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  1. A.YARY
    A.YARY 21 January 2014 09: 59
    +27
    This is a unit necessary for the fleet! If only we had time.
    Still a couple of "Eagles" did not interfere .....
    But on the lack of fish ....
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 21 January 2014 09: 59
      +20
      Very powerful ships, it’s a pity that we are not building new ones ...
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 21 January 2014 10: 04
        -33%
        On the eve of EVENTs, ships are out of order, depriving them of combat readiness ...
        Strange
        The newest and most efficient.
        It smacks of betrayal (frankly stinks from this news)))
        1. Retx
          Retx 21 January 2014 10: 05
          +6
          What are these, for example?
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 10: 08
          +32
          Quote: Asgard
          The newest and most efficient.

          We live on the eve of events since 2008. Everywhere events are on the verge of warriors.
          With regards to the newest and most combat-ready, they aren’t new, but they don’t need modernization.
        3. jjj
          jjj 21 January 2014 10: 24
          +20
          "Nakhimov" has been waiting for repairs in Severodvinsk for fifteen years already. It's time to
        4. S-200
          S-200 21 January 2014 11: 26
          +12
          After transfers of the Russian Navy in 2018 city modernized heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, project 1144 Orlan ......
          Where Have you read about weakening the striking power of the Russian Navy?
          1. Mature naturalist
            Mature naturalist 23 January 2014 01: 23
            0
            Quote: S-200
            Where did you read about weakening the striking power of the Russian Navy?

            EVENTS will come sooner.
        5. Deniska
          Deniska 21 January 2014 11: 49
          +4
          I agree there is something to think about ... And modernization is needed, and it already smacks of tears in the world ...
        6. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 21 January 2014 18: 58
          +5
          Peter is the first rather formidable ship, but we are adults and we understand that Nakhimov wakes up to an order of magnitude superior to Peter due to newer types of weapons and the adaptation of the ship as a whole to current challenges and threats. Thus, even when Peter is sent for modernization with the simultaneous commissioning of Nakhimov, there is a minimum of reinforcement of the Orlan-class combat unit for the time interval of the upcoming "events" and agree the new Nakhimuv is much better than nothing during the modernization of Peter))
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        8. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 22 January 2014 07: 23
          +1
          Quote: Asgard
          On the eve of EVENTs, ships are out of order, depriving them of combat readiness ...
          Strange
          The newest and most efficient.
          It smacks of betrayal (frankly stinks from this news)))


          Do you know something? Share, please. Agree, with large-scale events, HE will not play the first violin. That nuclear submarines without weapons cause much more disturbing feelings ...
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      2. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 21 January 2014 10: 42
        +1
        And what kind of shisha, excuse me?
        On June 13, 2013, Sevmash signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the repair and modernization of the cruiser. Under the terms of the contract, the ship should enter the fleet in 2018. The cost of the signed contract for the repair and modernization of Admiral Nakhimov is 50 billion rubles.


        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B4%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%9D%D

        0%B0%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2_(%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%

        D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80)
      3. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 21 January 2014 18: 24
        +7
        Modernization of the Eagles. Lived! I’m not even shy of my tears.
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 21 January 2014 19: 03
          +12
          I am a young man (only 31g), but when in the middle of the "XNUMXs" I learned for myself what a cruiser of the "Orlan" project was, how many there were and how many were in service, I really cried. For atomic Ispalins, the age of ten is not at all a period, and after all, at about this age they left for an "eternal", as it seemed then, parking lot, the dead cars Lada and the Volga take longer to rot (((I am sure that only those who came to the homeland could send them to scrap metal.
    2. Civil
      Civil 21 January 2014 10: 35
      +3
      I hoped that after Nakhimov the rest would be modernized or at the same time, well
      Thank you
      1. avg
        avg 21 January 2014 12: 37
        +3
        Can someone enlighten about "Caliber". If it has a range as in the export version (up to 300 km). I see no reason to put him on this colossus. At the same time, the mass-dimensional parameters of the Caliber rockets are comparable to the PK-55 (2600 km), and a similar engine. In theory, it should also fly far.
        1. skiff-xnumx
          skiff-xnumx 21 January 2014 13: 41
          +20
          He flies. All export products of this class are subject to a number of international treaties in which the maximum range is limited to 300 km from here and the breaking of copies on forums from the media which draw information on the range from advertising booklets (an example is caliber and onyx, he is also a yacht). As far as I know, for example, for a caliber, there are missiles on ground targets 1500, 2500, and 3000 can eat more but no one says because LOW
        2. Onyx
          Onyx 21 January 2014 14: 01
          +8
          Quote: avg
          Can someone enlighten about "Caliber"

          The caliber for submarines, according to the commander-in-chief of the Navy Chirkov, shot back the year before last from Severodvinsk to the maximum range on the coastal target, which amounted to more than 1400 km. The caliber for ground ships, according to the commander of the Caspian Flotilla, has a range, if memory serves more than 2000 km.
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 21 January 2014 14: 10
            -8
            Quote: Onyx
            Quote: avg
            Can someone enlighten about "Caliber"

            The caliber for submarines, according to the commander-in-chief of the Navy Chirkov, shot back the year before last from Severodvinsk to the maximum range on the coastal target, which amounted to more than 1400 km. The caliber for ground ships, according to the commander of the Caspian Flotilla, has a range, if memory serves more than 2000 km.


            At the same time, the Navy Group of Companies forgot to mention the lack of targeting capabilities for such firing ranges in the Russian Navy. There is no air reconnaissance in the Russian Navy, there are no DRLS aircraft in the Russian Navy. nobody included and did not plan combat exercises with firing this type of weapon at the ranges indicated by you. So the use of these missiles to full range is cunning. The missile can have a range, but can missile crew and KBR (ship combat crew) use it? Not having practical skills.
            1. tungus
              tungus 21 January 2014 14: 59
              +12
              And what is the problem with target designation in shooting at ground targets? And who gives target designation to the same strategic X-55? And the tomahawks?
              Ground targets are stationary, their coordinates are known in advance. Missiles are equipped with an inertial guidance system, or fly on satellite navigation.
              Liana is needed to defeat surface targets, but there is less range. Kilometers 500-700.
              In addition, only the US-A is not functioning for the "Legend"; satellites with an active radar installation, because they were launched into low orbit.
              US-P is still valid.
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 21 January 2014 15: 32
                0
                I agree on ground-based stationary targets, and even if they are opened and their coordinates are known exactly.
              2. clidon
                clidon 21 January 2014 21: 32
                0
                US_P there flies much lower than normal. However, even so, the efficiency was said to be lower than satisfactory.
            2. Onyx
              Onyx 21 January 2014 15: 18
              +3
              Quote: gunnerminer

              At the same time, the Navy GC forgot to mention the lack of opportunities for target designation at such firing ranges in the Russian Navy

              I wanted to answer you, but tungus got ahead. This, of course, is about fixed ground targets. External target designation is not needed there
            3. JIaIIoTb
              JIaIIoTb 21 January 2014 16: 32
              +4
              Quote: gunnerminer
              Quote: Onyx
              Quote: avg
              Can someone enlighten about "Caliber"

              The caliber for submarines, according to the commander-in-chief of the Navy Chirkov, shot back the year before last from Severodvinsk to the maximum range on the coastal target, which amounted to more than 1400 km. The caliber for ground ships, according to the commander of the Caspian Flotilla, has a range, if memory serves more than 2000 km.


              At the same time, the Navy Group of Companies forgot to mention the lack of targeting capabilities for such firing ranges in the Russian Navy. There is no air reconnaissance in the Russian Navy, there are no DRLS aircraft in the Russian Navy. nobody included and did not plan combat exercises with firing this type of weapon at the ranges indicated by you. So the use of these missiles to full range is cunning. The missile can have a range, but can missile crew and KBR (ship combat crew) use it? Not having practical skills.


              Proooooos ..... aaali all polymeeeeeery! laughing

              Sorry could not resist)))
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            5. sivuch
              sivuch 21 January 2014 19: 16
              +3
              And there are no RTR aircraft, over-the-horizon radars, RTR satellites and optical reconnaissance? If sclerosis does not change, the satellite from the radar station should also be launched next year. And to whom these funds belong is a purely organizational matter
          2. standby
            standby 21 January 2014 22: 03
            +1
            ground ships!
    3. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 21 January 2014 16: 21
      +1
      If they do it at the same pace as the Indian aircraft carrier, then ... The amount of work is approximately equal.
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  3. 3935333
    3935333 21 January 2014 10: 02
    +3
    that the main power plant (GEM) of Admiral Nakhimov will not be replaced, but it will have to be repaired and modernized. ???????
    Very interesting, i.e. nuclear power plant "Nakhimov" all this time while the ship was standing, was it undergoing scheduled repairs? or was it "muted" and mothballed before a decision was made on this cruiser? I understand that they want to save money, but they need to install a new reactor !!! as written in the last lines, which will increase its nuclear, radiation and technological safety. "
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 21 January 2014 10: 09
      +7
      Most likely, the reactor was not just shut off, and all fuel rods with fuel were unloaded from the core, otherwise there would be too many problems with docking at the berth, and the costs of a loaded reactor (maintenance, etc.) would be rather big. hi
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 21 January 2014 16: 52
      +4
      They will replace turbogenerators, heat exchangers, pumps, automation, steam lines, control valves and safety systems.
      They can even remake a self-extinguishing reactor.
      The internal designs of the 1960s reactors are no different from the 2010s reactors - iron and zirconium and iron and zirconium in the Fukushima reactor.
      The difference is only in the external harness.
      So formally it will be repair and modernization.
      As with the T72 - something was changed, something was removed, something was added, something was redone - it turned out T90.
  4. Moore
    Moore 21 January 2014 10: 11
    0
    The other two where? On the nails?
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 21 January 2014 10: 38
      +2
      Heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Kirov" ("Admiral Ushakov"), since 1990 in reserve.
      Sludge since 1991.

      The heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Frunze" ("Admiral Lazarev"), in the crap since 1999.

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0_%D

      0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_1144_%C2%AB%D0%9E%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%

      BD% C2% BB

      There and infa according to the plans ... Admiral Ushakov, it seems the same as nails ...
    2. Bronis
      Bronis 21 January 2014 11: 20
      +5
      There are different opinions. Kirov (Ushakov) has formally not even had a name for 10 years (now destroyer 956 is called the destroyer Ushakov). Rogozin talked a lot about the restoration of all the Eagles, but he loves the statements. Most likely, everything will depend on 2 things. 1. financial side. 2.technical opportunity (after all, 20 years without proper maintenance). Still need to take into account the timing of modernization. If things continue this way, then Frunze will embark on modernization at the age of about 40 years ...
      Clarity is likely to come from the results of the modernization of Nakhimov and the implementation of GPV-2020 (plans for the construction of frigates, in fact, guard ships).
      1. skiff-xnumx
        skiff-xnumx 21 January 2014 14: 49
        +9
        I already wrote on the site (we put the cons) the other two on nails with a probability of 99%. On Kirov, a turbo gear unit breakdown, therefore, in reserve since 90 years. Its repair will result in fatal financial and temporary expenses. I have not heard that such an aggregate is somewhere and it’s understandable that you won’t produce one now (only in the Urals it may be the same, it’s necessary to clarify). And even if they find the unit will have to disassemble the floor of the body. As for Lazarev, then the situation is better. It was put into reserve because it was not possible to repair the ship and reload the reactor core. Therefore, the ship is in relatively satisfactory condition. There is nothing critical there. But the question is how to deliver the ship from the north to the north. I can hardly imagine. If by SMP then this will be a unique operation. And do not give the example of the Chinese with the Varangian, you imagine what will happen if such a ship sinks or throws it on the stones
        1. Bronis
          Bronis 21 January 2014 15: 53
          +3
          Quote: skiff-1980
          I can hardly imagine. If by SMP then this will be a unique operation. And do not give the example of the Chinese with the Varangian, you imagine what will happen if such a ship sinks or throws it on the stones

          If they set such a task, they will think how. Another thing is whether to deliver. Decision-making factors are many. But every year the probability is lower. And given that Peter the Great will be sent for modernization, that's all ...
          Now they have somehow forgotten, but the fate of the Atlanteans is also interesting. In theory, they also need to carry out modernization, the benefit of their technical condition is better (relatively on the go), they are younger, and, presumably, cheaper to operate.
          1. skiff-xnumx
            skiff-xnumx 21 January 2014 20: 43
            +3
            Yes, no modernization of Peter at least. It was time to reload the core and thorough repair. This time. Modernize the latest ships of the series, the most combat ready to reduce time and financial costs. These are two. Therefore, the news was not surprising. There is one thing but in this story and many questions. 1. Kirov was returned to the fleet. 2. At the yard it’s kind of like a shipyard can Lazarev there. And on the account of the haul, if this problem is solved, then this will be a unique operation compared to May, except that with a manned flight into space, and I think it lasts no less than half a year. Since the ship will have to be driven around the cape of good hope, it is unlikely that it will be allowed through the channel. We will lay down with bones and will not give. As for 1164, only they Glory will upgrade them to put on them the CPC there is no possibility that is not the architecture. Alteration will result in essentially the construction of a new ship and colossal money. Plus busy slipways. Plus, the resource is almost knocked out. 30 years to serve such a ship project no. Therefore, I think with Ukraine, too. Although as a rem kit or replacement, you can take Moscow. So mark my word in five or eight years, a phased (in mind) decommissioning of these ships will go. The main thing is that the replacement is finished.
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 21 January 2014 19: 18
          +6
          I once worked in the Northern KB. The volume of alterations from 1144 to 11442 is incomparably greater than from 11442 to 11443. So Kirov himself, unfortunately, flies
        3. Dart2027
          Dart2027 21 January 2014 22: 35
          0
          Well, we have enough atomic icebreakers, so there is a theoretical possibility.
    3. clidon
      clidon 21 January 2014 21: 33
      0
      On the nails. Even higher than 99 percent.
  5. predator.3
    predator.3 21 January 2014 10: 15
    +4
    Of course, I don't know much about surface ships, only in general terms, but is it possible to build, say, destroyers instead of cruisers, but with similar weapons and with a smaller displacement, in the west there seems to be no ships like Peter the Great, there are mostly "eagles Berki "and" Idzhis "ie much smaller. what
    1. Retx
      Retx 21 January 2014 10: 22
      +1
      There is no new destroyer project. Therefore, they upgrade everything that is.
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 21 January 2014 11: 54
        +13
        Quote: RETX
        There is no new destroyer project. Therefore, they upgrade everything that is.

        There is a project for a new destroyer 21956. Construction is planned to begin in 2016
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 21 January 2014 11: 57
          -4
          Let Frigate Gorshkov at least sabotage the fleet. Until 2016, they will still have two long years. Who else will become the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, and what this Minister will have views on this project. Will the budget allow?
          1. Onyx
            Onyx 21 January 2014 12: 19
            +9
            Quote: gunnerminer
            Let Frigate Gorshkov at least sabotage the fleet. Until 2016, they will still have two long years. Who else will become the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, and what this Minister will have views on this project. Will the budget allow?

            I do not know who will become the minister there, but this project began to be developed under Serdyukov. GPV-2020 provides for the creation of this project and the construction of ships
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 21 January 2014 14: 01
              -9
              Conversations and paper plans on the creation and design of ships on the state of the current combat readiness of the Russian Navy do not have an impact. As well as on the quality of the combat training of the crews.
              1. Onyx
                Onyx 21 January 2014 15: 22
                +2
                Listen, read the dialogue fully and carefully. RETX claims there is no new destroyer project. This is not true. There is a project. What I actually wrote.
                1. gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer 21 January 2014 15: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Onyx
                  Listen, read the dialogue fully and carefully. RETX claims there is no new destroyer project. This is not true. There is a project. What I actually wrote.


                  We need first-line warships, with approved line crews, and not projects and talk about them.
                  1. Onyx
                    Onyx 21 January 2014 16: 13
                    +5
                    To build "first-line warships", you first need to have a project. And your chatter will certainly not help here.
                    1. gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer 21 January 2014 16: 15
                      -2
                      Quote: Onyx
                      To build "first-line warships", you first need to have a project. And your chatter will certainly not help here.


                      Here is the USC and has these projects as soon as it can. The results are visible to everyone.
                      1. Onyx
                        Onyx 21 January 2014 17: 55
                        +3
                        As always, some emotions. Do you essentially have something to say?
        2. patsantre
          patsantre 21 January 2014 14: 23
          0
          21956 is an outdated project, and it is not in the photo.
          1. Onyx
            Onyx 21 January 2014 15: 27
            +6
            Quote: patsantre
            21956 is an outdated project, and it is not in the photo.

            You do not and cannot have reliable information about this project, unless, of course, you are a developer or a customer. A photo so that there is at least some
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 21 January 2014 15: 52
              -3
              Quote: Onyx
              Quote: patsantre
              21956 is an outdated project, and it is not in the photo.

              You do not and cannot have reliable information about this project, unless, of course, you are a developer or a customer. A photo so that there is at least some



              Developers and customers, as well as the people around them speak, contact with other people. They write letters, e-mails, and show off to friends and acquaintances.
              1. Onyx
                Onyx 21 January 2014 16: 16
                +6
                Quote: gunnerminer
                They write letters, e-mails, and show off to friends and strangers.

                Well, well, write and brag. Not long after that you will be free
                1. gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer 21 January 2014 16: 26
                  -2
                  Quote: Onyx
                  Quote: gunnerminer
                  They write letters, e-mails, and show off to friends and strangers.

                  Well, well, write and brag. Not long after that you will be free


                  And who will conduct the preliminary investigation? Local DST or Gendarmerie royale du Canada?
                  1. Onyx
                    Onyx 21 January 2014 17: 54
                    +2
                    The case will be against the one who writes these messages from Russia
              2. FREGATENKAPITAN
                FREGATENKAPITAN 22 January 2014 07: 27
                +1
                Well then everything is clear ... This is called -OBS One grandmother said plus a damaged phone, And I would also like to clarify, well, ok about new buildings, etc. it is clear, but how do you know about the low level of training of l / c crews about which you persistently push us here? I just can’t understand ....
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            2. skiff-xnumx
              skiff-xnumx 21 January 2014 20: 57
              0
              The photo is definitely not a destroyer. There is no helipad. There are few CCP covers, with a small displacement, look at the ratio over the construction site and the size of the tank floor, etc. This is rather the MKR.
    2. gispanec
      gispanec 21 January 2014 14: 23
      +4
      Quote: predator.3
      in the west, it seems, there are no such ships as "Peter the Great", there are mainly "eagles berki" and "ijis" ie much smaller.

      Aegis is a control system, not a watercraft))))
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 21 January 2014 17: 06
      0
      Quote: predator.3
      instead of cruisers, let's say build destroyers, but with the same armament and less displacement

      It is possible, but there will only be half as much, or even three
      1. skiff-xnumx
        skiff-xnumx 21 January 2014 21: 03
        +3
        You are not right. The displacement of the modern destroyer came close to and in some cases surpassed the displacement of the missile cruisers of the latest Cold War projects. And the shock capabilities are comparable.
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 21 January 2014 22: 39
      +3
      In principle, the concepts of cruiser and destroyer - have long become purely arbitrary. The Japanese called the destroyer a 27000-ton colossus and nothing.
  6. Old Cynic
    Old Cynic 21 January 2014 10: 17
    0
    Sorry, I did not understand. Will "Peter" be upgraded in 2018?
    1. Deniska
      Deniska 21 January 2014 11: 51
      +1
      Are planning!
    2. Onyx
      Onyx 21 January 2014 11: 55
      +4
      Quote: Old Cynic
      Sorry, I did not understand. Will "Peter" be upgraded in 2018?

      Yes
  7. Archikah
    Archikah 21 January 2014 10: 17
    +2
    "On the eve of events", the rest will not be in time. There will no longer be the war for which our admirals are preparing. This is all right but not that. And the cruisers are beautiful. "Only a beautiful ship will sail." hi
  8. Old Cynic
    Old Cynic 21 January 2014 10: 32
    +6
    Hmm ... "Admiral Nakhimov" (nee "Kalinin") under repair since August 14, 1999 ...
    And under the "damned" USSR it was founded on May 17, 1983, on December 30, 1988 it entered service.

    Yak there, paraphrasing: "I'm hoping for dates, I'm guessing that dumka" ...
  9. denssss
    denssss 21 January 2014 10: 39
    +1
    On time would be met! And then, as a rule, they took the deadlines five times!
    1. alone
      alone 21 January 2014 21: 35
      +1
      Quote: denssss
      On time would be met!


      And this is exactly the main problem.
  10. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 21 January 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Quote: predator.3
    Of course, I don't know much about surface ships, only in general terms, but is it possible to build, say, destroyers instead of cruisers, but with similar weapons and with a smaller displacement, in the west there seems to be no ships like Peter the Great, there are mostly "eagles Berki "and" Idzhis "ie much smaller. what

    The Aegis is installed on the Orly Burke EM and the Ticonderoga cruisers. Good news, if only the renovation would not take too long, like "Gorshkov" for India!
  11. Retx
    Retx 21 January 2014 10: 46
    +3
    Quote: Old Cynic
    Yak there, paraphrasing: "I'm hoping for dates, I'm guessing that dumka" ...

    Yes, there was no money. Expenditures on the national defense of the Russian Federation, billion rubles: 140,8 (2000) and 2 (141,2). So in fact repair work since 2013 has not been carried out there.
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 21 January 2014 10: 52
      0
      Yes, I understand everything, dear ...
      But here that is not clear:
      In 2008, the repair plan was adjusted, which allowed forcing modernization: so in September the unloading of spent nuclear fuel began. Commissioning was planned in 2012.
      As of the end of 2011, preparatory work and designing of a new shape of the ship are underway, they should be completed at the end of April 2012. After that, the modernization of the cruiser should begin. After its completion, the cruiser will be transferred to the Pacific Fleet.

      Explain to me, please, what does "new look" mean in this context? Intellectually understand that we are talking about "stuffing", but somehow it is clumsily stated ...

      Although, what am I talking about ... Wikipedia ... "I don’t know who wrote it, but I read."
      1. Retx
        Retx 21 January 2014 11: 28
        +1
        Dismantling of old equipment and installation of new. From the photographs of Gorshkov, the dismantling was visible, because Polyment-Redut has its own and looks different. In Calthbr's case, the cells seem to be "incompatible" with the Granite mines, this is also a moment. Plus to this, our MO's desires change often, his vivid example is Ivan Gren, so I'm not surprised that they wanted to clean it, launch the power plant and let it wander around the okyan seas. Well, Schaub was scary.
        1. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic 21 January 2014 12: 09
          0
          Thank. But, nevertheless, this is not a look, but a filling.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 21 January 2014 17: 00
            0
            Reconfiguration of add-ons for AFAR and steel technology.
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  12. mamba
    mamba 21 January 2014 11: 00
    +9
    Of course, there will be less work with "Peter the Great" than with "Admiral Ushakov", but it seems to me that he could have waited. Then, after modernizing the most "fresh" of the mothballed "Eagles" - "Admiral Nakhimov", we would have two battle-worthy heavy cruisers and one in the modernization stage. And there, you see, it will come to "Admiral Lazarev".
    Варианты модернизации "Адмирала Нахимова": http://forum.polismi.org/index.php?/topic/4420-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0
    %BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%BE-%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%89%D0
    %B5%D0%BC-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%
    8F-%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85/page__pid__88561#entry88561
    One cannot help but admire such beauties:
  13. moremansf
    moremansf 21 January 2014 11: 18
    +3
    The ice has broken, it is a pity, of course, that the Ushakov-Kirov, and now just the 48th crew, was decided to be disposed of, it could be turned into a branch of the Navy Museum, after all, our first nuclear cruiser, the beauty and pride of the fleet and the "needles" .. I know that the veterans of the cruiser turned to the Navy Commander of the Russian Federation, the President of the Russian Federation on the fate of the firstborn of nuclear shipbuilding, but no decision was made ... The fate of the third in the Orlan series, Admiral Lazarev-Frunze, which is in conservation at the Pacific Fleet, is also unclear. It is clear that transferring it to Severodvinsk from the Far East in that technical condition is not possible, but letting it be scrapped or sold to China again for a penny would not be entirely correct given the current situation in the fleet ... I would like to believe that the leadership of the Navy and the country will treat this problem with understanding ...
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 21 January 2014 12: 36
      0
      I want to believe that the leadership of the Navy and the country ....


      Yeah, hope dies last. But I, personally, have little faith in this.
      Once again Rogozin will speak, tell that modernization is 146% inexpedient, it is more profitable to sell them to China, and by 2199 to build something super-duper-mega-modern underground water-flying ...

      Well, they will sell it. And the Chinayozes will be returned to operation in 2 years.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 22 January 2014 07: 46
        0
        Quote: Old Cynic
        and by 2199 to build something super-duper-mega-modern underground water-flying ...


        And they will call him Pterocrotobus wassat
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  14. saps
    saps 21 January 2014 11: 19
    -1
    Peter the Great is a powerful ship. So will it be even more powerful? Krutoten !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  15. moremansf
    moremansf 21 January 2014 11: 20
    0
    Well, from the history of correspondence with the country's leadership and the Navy about the fate of the Kirov-Admiral Ushakov TARKR:
  16. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 21 January 2014 11: 55
    -1
    While they will undergo modernization for about 10-15 years (based on the modest capabilities of the slow-moving OSK) and enter the first line for about a year, the operational and situation may change several times; there will be no full replacement for them during the modernization period. The combat readiness of the KSF will significantly decrease.
  17. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +2
    They will give Nakhimov, and then Peter, 5 will be upgraded for years. And then again they will transfer Peter and become the new 5 years to modernize Nakhimov laughing
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 21 January 2014 12: 39
      0
      Yes, you, my friend, an optimist, as I look ... hi
  18. Victor1
    Victor1 21 January 2014 12: 32
    +2
    I am glad that work is underway on Nakhimov, and what is heard about the other two ships? it seems to be said that they want to put into operation at least 3 ships of this type.
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 21 January 2014 12: 39
      0
      Смотрите http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82_1144_(%D0%9E%D
      1%80%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD)
      1. Victor1
        Victor1 21 January 2014 13: 22
        0
        there is nothing concrete there.
        and on the Internet the data is different, where they say that Kirov is being cut, where that he has plans for repair.
    2. clidon
      clidon 21 January 2014 21: 34
      -1
      They will be sent to metal.
  19. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 21 January 2014 12: 48
    0
    Untimely modernization. A few months later, when chemical weapons are finally removed from Syria, a surge of dirty tricks is possible from the US-Israel-SA, etc. At this time, it would be nice to have a powerful grouping in the eastern Mediterranean. And then for repairs, if everything is calm.
    1. Victor1
      Victor1 21 January 2014 13: 25
      +3
      Peter in the ranks, Nakhimov and the rest for how many years in the freeze, better late than never, work is already underway on Nakhimov.
  20. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 21 January 2014 13: 42
    +1
    Quote: avg
    Can someone enlighten about "Caliber". If it has a range as in the export version (up to 300 km). I see no reason to put him on this colossus. At the same time, the mass-dimensional parameters of the Caliber rockets are comparable to the PK-55 (2600 km), and a similar engine. In theory, it should also fly far.

    The Caliber system includes several types of missiles. On hearing of them three though really more. 3m54 (range 300 km warhead 400 kg third stage above the sonic 2.35m long 8.2m long) 3m54t (fully subsonic warhead penetrating 200kg long 6.2m long 300 range) ranges are given in the export version in the native are not given. 3m14 (a subsonic range for destruction of ground targets of 2000-2500km bch 450 kg.) There are several more types of missiles, for example 3m54t1 with an anti-submarine second stage plur 91rte2 bch 200kg range is not given, in short, a bunch of range characteristics are contradictory and are mostly voiced for export options. In addition, a universal installation allows you to run both Caliber and Onyx 3m55 or p800 range up to 500 km completely supersonic.
  21. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 21 January 2014 14: 00
    0
    definitely, in action! And by 2018, "Petra" is time for a planned modernization, and repairs are outlined, it is a "workhorse" and has been in service for a long time.
  22. Orakyl
    Orakyl 21 January 2014 14: 18
    +6
    Guys go to the three-shift, time is running out, the adversary is already in Ukraine.
  23. Nayhas
    Nayhas 21 January 2014 14: 28
    -18%
    Stupidity and populism, throwing taxpayer funds to the wind. I understand that such news amuses the soul of any patriot of Russia, and apparently this is also the reason. Wangyu: costs will increase three times, the lines of modernization, too. A positive outcome is unlikely ...
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 21 January 2014 14: 31
      -14%
      Quote: Nayhas
      Stupidity and populism, throwing taxpayer funds to the wind. I understand that such news amuses the soul of any patriot of Russia, and apparently this is also the reason. Wangyu: costs will increase three times, the lines of modernization, too. A positive outcome is unlikely ...



      It will be so!
    2. Vilor
      Vilor 21 January 2014 16: 01
      +6
      I honestly go nuts from ALL your comments. Everything is bad everywhere in the Russian Federation, there is not even any hope for anything good. How do you live like this, you see only one negative everywhere. Although when you even defended McCain, it became clear to me which side you were on and why everything was bad in Russia. But, "the dog barks, the caravan is coming."
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 21 January 2014 22: 06
        0
        Quote: Vilor
        I honestly go nuts from ALL your comments. Everything is bad everywhere in the Russian Federation, there is not even any hope for anything good. How do you live like this, you see only one negative everywhere. Although when you even defended McCain, it became clear to me which side you were on and why everything was bad in Russia. But, "the dog barks, the caravan is coming."

        I am glad that you read them already have a chance that turn to the mind, and not to emotions.
  24. malikszh
    malikszh 21 January 2014 14: 36
    +5
    why Petra stops after
    Repair Nakhimov Lazerov and Ushakov then you can Peter the Great
  25. malikszh
    malikszh 21 January 2014 14: 40
    0
    Quote: Orakyl
    Guys go to the three-shift, time is running out, the adversary is already in Ukraine.


    I agree you can’t stop fighting after Nakhimov, there are still 2 such cruisers; urgently buy the cruisers Ukraine
  26. patsantre
    patsantre 21 January 2014 14: 53
    +2
    80 missiles are several times less than they were (80 calibers alone is already good), and a redoubt with a range of 150 km will not be enough for such a ship. What kind of modernization is this? I would like to see elements (more precisely, the S-400, S-500 missiles and a redoubt in universal air-launched air defense systems of air defense systems and radars with AFARs, so that later the same thing would be shoved onto destroyers.
  27. lab29
    lab29 21 January 2014 14: 56
    +4
    We will have cruisers when normal crews will serve them, otherwise they’ll crumble, break, the attitude to technology is obscene ... Nakhimov was killed. I worked at Sevmash and Zvezdochka for 18 years, I know what I'm talking about! The sailors themselves only have a white navigator’s bone, the rest is fuel oil, that’s the attitude. It's a shame for the warhead-5
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 22 January 2014 00: 07
      0
      Quote: lab29
      We will have cruisers when normal crews will serve them, otherwise they’ll crumble, break, the attitude to technology is obscene ... Nakhimov was killed. I worked at Sevmash and Zvezdochka for 18 years, I know what I'm talking about! The sailors themselves only have a white navigator’s bone, the rest is fuel oil, that’s the attitude. It's a shame for the warhead-5

      That’s what’s the matter, I won’t give an example of factory workers who do not know how to use epoxy or stuff, through the bow hatch, into the almost ready steamer, the forgotten five-meter section of the pipeline. hi
  28. AVV
    AVV 21 January 2014 14: 59
    +2
    Quote: jjj
    "Nakhimov" has been waiting for repairs in Severodvinsk for fifteen years already. It's time to

    It's time, yes, then there were no funds, then the capacities were busy, then the hands did not reach !!!
  29. abc_alex
    abc_alex 21 January 2014 15: 42
    +5
    80 missiles? Hmm ... On "Petra" now, in addition to 20 launchers for "Granites", there is:
    12 + 96 Fort rockets;
    128 Dagger missiles;
    144 rockets "Kortika".
    :) that is, 300 missiles of different classes with a dash.
    Looks like they messed up something, either had in mind 80 universal launchers for missiles of different classes, or 80 launchers for shock missiles like Onyx and Caliber in running order.

    Well, of course the news is positive. BUT four years for modernization one ship? No, gentlemen, in my opinion this is too much.
    1. skiff-xnumx
      skiff-xnumx 21 January 2014 21: 11
      +2
      Of course they got it wrong. 80 is the CPC. We do not have a truly universal installation. T to anti-aircraft missiles are launched from their glasses. Also by the way universal. First we have a rocket then a glass, and not a turn. Maybe for the better. It will not be tempting to make a wild warp in the armament of your choice
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  31. kelevra
    kelevra 21 January 2014 17: 45
    0
    It’s good, but to have a couple of aircraft carriers would be very good!
  32. Leshka
    Leshka 21 January 2014 18: 19
    0
    he should be repaired
  33. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 21 January 2014 19: 29
    +2
    The terms of repairs will be drawn based on the real state of affairs. "Sevmash" does not consist of only Electronics, capable of quickly doing anything and everything. Not only is the plant busy with the construction and modernization of nuclear submarines, there are also a number of large surface ships in the queue. And all the results of the 90s, when many personnel departed. Yes, you need to modernize, but you also need to look at things realistically. Such grandiose plans cannot be pulled by ONE plant. It would be necessary to connect the St. Petersburg shipyards. I have already spoken about the importance of serving capacities. Otherwise, it turns out that ships have been waiting for repairs for almost decades only because there is no one and nowhere to do it now, and then we pour from empty to empty, which, they say, you can do it this way. Nothing is possible, but everything will be as the industry and the economy allow. And more brains.
    Without a powerful repair and technical base capable of servicing ships and submarines, as requested, there would be no combat fleet. And we will scrape over the guts that we have at the moment and console ourselves with the illusions that everything is OK with us ...
  34. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 21 January 2014 22: 05
    +1
    At the beginning of the fleet development program, for acceptance into service in 2013. three surface ships of the ocean zone were planned (Gorshkov, Grigorovich, Gren), none of them was accepted, the plan was fulfilled by 0%. Of the 4 planned nuclear submarines, 3 were delivered, this is 75%, but in fact they are not ready for combat, this is an honest 0%, but let's not quibble, 75% + 0% / 2 = ~ 38%. The plan for ships and nuclear submarines was conditionally fulfilled by 38%. This is a failure. And it is not known exactly when the ships and submarines will become fully combat-ready and put into service. That is, the plan has failed and the prospects are not clear. The situation with ships of the 3rd rank is not much better. "Resistant" instead of being put into service in 2013. just entered the factory tests, instead of 4 MRKs in service in 2013, 2 are tested, 2 are under construction, not delivered as planned submarine pr.636.3 (Novorossiysk). The easiest and most correct way out in our situation is a partial modernization of existing ships to bring them more or less to a modern look. In the future, the modernization of the BOD, if the industry fails in the future plans for rearmament, they will take on the destroyers of Project 956.
  35. Slo_nik
    Slo_nik 21 January 2014 23: 31
    +1
    Nomenclature of weapons for the destroyer with a total displacement of 13500 tons:

    4 ZRAK “Shell” 48 missiles x 4 = 192 57E6, range 20 km.

    10 UKKS 9M96, 0.33 t * 80 pcs. = 26.4 t, 10 m10 * 100 = XNUMX mXNUMX
    8 UVP 40N6, 1.8 t * 32 pcs. = 57.6 t, 7.84 sq.m * 8 pcs. = 62.72 sq.m


    total weight of missiles - 84 t, 112 pcs. area 162.72 sq.m

    2 UKSK PKR 3M-54E, 2.3 t * 16 pcs = 36.8 t, 10 sq.m * 2 = 20 sq.m
    2 UKSK PKR 3M-54E1, 1.8 t * 16 pcs = 28.8 t, 10 sq.m * 2 = 20 sq.m
    2 UKSK KR 3M-14E, 1.77 t * 16 pcs = 28.32 t, 10 sq.m * 2 = 20 sq.m
    2 UKSK PLUR 91RTE2, 1.2 t * 16 pcs = 19.2 t, 10 sq.m * 2 = 20 sq.m


    total weight PKR / PLUR weight 113.12 t, 64 pcs. area 80 sq.m

    The total area of ​​UVP is 162.72 sq.m + 80 sq.m = 242.72 sq.m, the relative area is 242.72 sq.m: 3638 sq.m = 0.067, the total weight is 84 t + 113.12 t = 197.12 t
  36. Slo_nik
    Slo_nik 21 January 2014 23: 48
    +2
    The external enemy of the new ship are the American destroyers built by a large-scale series such as Orly Burke and two Uber-ships of the Zumwalt type
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 January 2014 05: 20
      +1
      The external adversary is the AUG.
  37. egor 1712
    egor 1712 22 January 2014 00: 21
    +2
    Any news about the restoration of the Orlan ships is good news. There is only one desire, to quickly repair and modernize. We inherited this pride and beauty, it must be preserved!
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  39. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 22 January 2014 07: 23
    0
    The coolest car !!!! Even the dream is to steer the formula -1, goes to the 2 plan))), if only at the 30 nodes of Peter try to hold the helm at the helm, lay a turn on the Cote d'Azur)))
  40. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 22 January 2014 07: 48
    0
    Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
    The coolest car !!!! Even the dream is to steer the formula -1, goes to the 2 plan))), if only at the 30 nodes of Peter try to hold the helm at the helm, lay a turn on the Cote d'Azur)))

    The main thing is to fit into this turn. And then the name Azure will need to change laughing
  41. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 22 January 2014 09: 10
    0
    Men can someone enlighten, and that "Granites" are all in the dustbin of history. Maybe I don’t understand why, but the "Caliber" in the anti-karable version, the range of 300 km is not too young for a surface caroble, and even of this size. In general, I'm not a specialist, it's just interesting for a nuclear submarine, maybe it's enough, but whoever lets the surface ship at the launch distance.
    1. Gans1234
      Gans1234 8 September 2014 22: 00
      0
      These missiles are outdated already - they do not correspond to the tasks of wars in modern realities.
      The main thing is powerful air defense + missiles, which can be bombarded both by ships and along the coast. And this is Caliber.
      Versatility.
      In the future, a missile-force projection ship and an air defense umbrella for aircraft carrier formations.
      I hope they will do the same from Atlantes.
      The BOD of the 956 Project will upgrade 7-8 units to the level of universal destroyers with the same Caliber.
      They also wanted to modernize the BODs of the 1155 project, but alas, only repair and modernization at best to the level of em. pr. 1155.1
      There were rumors about the modernization of the watchmakers, etc. 1135 to the level of 11356P, but alas, it even died out.