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Ukrainians as a phenomenon maximum 123 year

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In the photo, the first-Ukrainian Rutians of Galicia - Ukraine of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, in the future members of the OUN and Bandera, carried out in 1914 — 1917 years, without trial, the ethnic cleansing of Galicia from the hated Rusins ​​who identified themselves with Russians from Kievan Rus and who did not want proclaim themselves Ukrainians-rutenami of Galicia of Ukraine (outskirts) of Austria-HungaryYear of birth of the Ukrainian, as a project, is 1581 year. This year, the papal legate-Jesuit Antonio Passevino suggested that the king of Lyakhov, Stefan Batory, with the long-range goal of renaming Kievan Rus and the lands of OukraiЂ Rus, call the southeastern outskirts of Poland — Galicia and Volyn — Ukraine, and the natives of these lands “Ukrainians” . At the same time, in the same legal measure of lexical meaning, Galicia and Volyn could be called "margin", and the indigenous people of these lands "marginins" because both of these words, with identical lexical meaning, are abbreviations of the old Russian word "Oukrain" - land on the outskirts - the borderland. But the term "Ukrainian" has not taken root, and this word was used only in geographical terms. The indigenous inhabitants of Galicia and Volyn continued to be called “Rusyns” - a term granted to them by Pope Innocent IV in 1254.


Cook "historical"The soil for the implementation of the project of the papal Jesuit legate Antonio Pasevino from 1581, for thirty silver coins from the Uniate religious order" Vasilianov ", given under the leadership of the Jesuits in 1882, and decent maintenance from the government of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, was entrusted to Mikhas Grushevsky in 1894 year.

Mikhas Grushevsky, in his "writings", at the behest of the Jesuits of the Pope, renamed not only the Rusyns of Galicia and Volhynia, but, as the papal Jesuit legion Antonio Pasevino came up with in the 1581, and the Varangians-Slavs, Rusichs, the Russian people of Oukraine-Rus - Kievan Rus - Kozakov countries - Vkraina according to Taras Shevchenko - Naddnprovskoy Great Ukraine (see the terminology of the act of evil of the 1919 of the year) in “Ukrainians” Thus, in the territory of the modern State of Ukraine, the Russian people, with their ethnic roots dating back to a thousand-year history, ceased to exist in his, so to speak, “history”. And the good old Russian Language Mikhasik Hrushevsky - a man without honor and conscience renamed in his pseudoscientific "stories" in the old Ukrainian. There was a Russian language for a thousand years and, suddenly, at the behest of the Pope, “disappeared” at one moment - annihilated in a black hole instead of the conscience of Mikhail Grushevsky.

Even the Uniate priest Lavrenty Zizaniy in 1596, who collected an explanatory dictionary of the language spoken by common people from Belorussia through Volyn and Galicia to the western outskirts of Kiev, could not do this, for example: Potel (Slavonic - White-Croatian): Kogu (t), P ... (n), rooster - synonyms in the dialects of the Russian language.

Lavrenty Zizaniy honestly calls the various dialects of the regions of the territory - the dialects of the Russian language: LEXIS: SirЂRche Rechenya, Vyvkratsob selected (s) us. And from the word (n) scoby language, to the simple (th) Ruskіy Dіale (k) Istol (b) forged.

Laurentius Zizani fraud with the substitution of concepts could not make - God was afraid, but Mikhas Grushevsky God was not afraid - he had the Devil and the Pope in patrons. What is he afraid of?

In 1890, the Ukrainians appeared from Rusyns in Galicia, under the patronage of the Jesuits of the Pope - including the Uniate religious order "Basilians", handed over to the Jesuits in 1882, identifying their origin with Austria - the Ukrainians of the Austro-Hungarian Empire - the Ruthenians .

Ukrainians in Galicia and Volyn formalized as a minority by 1907.
Like most Ukrainians, the Ruthenians of Galicia stole the Austro-Hungarian Empire formed by the year 1914.
In 1914 - 1917, the Ruthenians of Galicia - who identified themselves with Kievan Rus, and did not want to become Ukrainians-Ruthenians of Austria-Hungary, were almost completely destroyed without trial at the gallows and in concentration camps by Ukrainians-Ruthenians, Austrians and Hungarians. In total, more than 150 thousands of Rusyns were destroyed.
Thus, the first Ukrainian appeared in this sinful world 123 a year ago and noted his appearance with exclamations: “Glory to Ukrainians” - “Heroes of Glory”, carrying out genocide in 1914 - 1917 years of defenseless Rusyns - men, women, old people and children for ideological reasons, as alien elements - Rusko, without any court and investigation.

In these bloody events of the murder of Rusyns, the so-called titular nation of "Ukrainians" - the Pope's hyenas in the fight against all Rusko - Orthodox, arises in the depths of which the terrorist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) was created under the leadership of leader Yevgen Konovalets and his follower - leader Stefana Bandera, who acted most actively at the end of the 20s of the last century and ideologically inspired the extermination of Jews in Lviv in 1941, as well as the Volyn massacre of the Poles by the Ukrainian Rebel Army (UPA) Stepan and Bandera in 1943, which killed about one hundred thousand innocent victims - old men, men, women and children, just because they did not belong to the titular nation, the so-called "Ukrainians". It was the OUN that inspired the creation of the SS division “Galicia” in 1943.

Today, the neo-Nazi National Socialist Party of Galicia - VO Svoboda proclaims the Bandera pseudonation of the “Ukrainians” of Galicia as the titular nation of the “Ukrainians” of the entire State of Ukraine.
124 a year ago, Ruski, Jews, Tatars, Ruthenians, Poles and other small peoples lived in the territory of the State of Ukraine ...

And neither of any Ukrainians, no one has even heard of it ...
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  1. artifox
    artifox 21 January 2014 08: 15
    +7
    What is this stream of consciousness about?

    It is completely incomprehensible why this is. The fraternal peoples lived together and will live. Not without disagreement, of course, and temporary quarrels. But this is like in any family.

    That's how I have two sons - they constantly quarrel among themselves, but they will tear anyone’s mouth for each other :)

    PS Everything will be fine, I found out :)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 08: 20
      +31
      Quote: artifox
      or fraternal peoples will live together.

      Ukraine is not a fraternal people, but ours, they just hit them in the head that they are not Russian and that’s it.
      Bandera Lviv in view of not have.
      1. domokl
        domokl 21 January 2014 08: 24
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ukraine is not a brotherly people, but

        Hi Sash. I have to agree ... In Chechnya and Georgia, we saw what kind of brothers we have ... So we need to relate to this state and people. The brother shooting at his brother is a rather original interpretation of the brotherhood ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 08: 49
          +10
          Quote: domokl
          In Chechnya and Georgia, we saw what kind of brothers we have.

          I definitely can’t say that the Chechens and Georgians are fraternal peoples to us. That those that others do not work, and crime from them to a fig. If you are now about those Chmyri who fought on the side of the Chechens from UNSO, then this is definitely not our people. Now their fans on the maidan BERKUT are beating.
          Hello everybody! And then there are a lot of you in the morning, you don’t have time to wake up on fly laughing
          1. domokl
            domokl 21 January 2014 08: 53
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            .If you are now talking about those blisses who fought on the side of the Chechens from UNSO

            And about them too. But to a greater extent about the Ukrainian officers and soldiers who shot down our planes in the 08 year, who handed over codes of their own or someone else’s air defense of Georgia. The easiest way to say is to blame the nationalists. Only they could not manage the air defense systems ... To do this, you need decent dexterity and knowledge. And they are achieved not by indoctrination, but by training and quite a long combat training. The complexes themselves, as everyone already knows, were removed from the database in Ukraine.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 09: 09
              +2
              Quote: domokl
              They just couldn’t manage air defense systems ..

              I remember then they were given apartments to all of them and all that. The family was not without a freak, it was always like that. Some went over to the side of the Poles, others went to the side of the Swedes, then again the Germans, then again to the Germans and as a result Vlasov had quite a few Russians. Vaughn Markov from Ukraine and Egoza, well, they do not fit your criteria hi
          2. Ihrek
            Ihrek 21 January 2014 09: 03
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I can’t say for sure that the Chechens and Georgians are fraternal peoples to us

            Chechnya is Russia. Ukraine is now abroad. A Chechen traveling abroad says that he is Russian, I judge by myself and by my friends. A Ukrainian will not say that he is Russian. So, do not find fault with your own. Now Chechnya, Dagestan is part of Russia. those. Russia consists of such regions, of which there are about a hundred, and dividing the peoples of Russia into fraternal and non-fraternal is stupid and definitely plays into the hands of supporters of separatist sentiments, which are very, very few so far and I hope will never increase. And in order not to increase their number, we (all citizens of Russia), I repeat, should not divide peoples according to the principle "Ours and not ours." We are (most of the forum) smart people and we want the prosperity of Russia and peace on its land.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 09: 12
              -2
              Quote: Jamal1974
              Chechnya is Russia. Ukraine is now abroad.

              This is a temporary phenomenon.
              Quote: Jamal1974
              traveling abroad says he is Russian, I judge by myself

              But the Chechen living in Russia, says that he is a Chechen, not Russian.
              Quote: Jamal1974
              So, do not blame your own.

              Here are your Chechens and They are not mine !!!
              1. Ihrek
                Ihrek 21 January 2014 11: 15
                +8
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Here are your Chechens and They are not mine !!!

                Firstly, Mr. Romanov, if you consider yourself smarter than someone, then I do not need to poke - this indicates the level of your upbringing. Secondly, Chechens are not only mine, but also ours, because we live in the same house - Russia. In the third, he did not say anything reprehensible there, the man said something that had become painful. Refute at least one of his remarks, or do you think the Dagestanis should not save people in a trolley, or another Dagestan should not save two Russian girls at the cost of his life. Maybe you are not in the know. but from Moscow almost daily the corpses of people killed by skins leave for the Caucasus, but this is not customary to talk about on television. But it’s customary to talk about bad things about Caucasians, naturally it’s possible to eat bad things like everyone else. I don’t know to whom this war is beneficial. But I know it is aimed at weakening the state by clashing peoples through people like you and others like you. Of course, I try not to pay attention to such people, but honestly and frankly, anger is accumulating, and not only for me. And you are aware that for the murder of the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Dagestan in 2009, the Russian was given only 8 years old, no one has discussed this. But the Dagestan for the beatings of a policeman in Moscow is offered to give for life. This is one example, and their mass. And they do not even try to catch skinheads, and if caught they will give purely symbolic terms or justify them at all. If they are such men let them go face to face and not like a pack of jackals attack a crowd with knives and bats on people walking alone.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 11: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Jamal1974
                  it indicates the level of your upbringing

                  Well, what do you want fatherlessness hi
                  Quote: Jamal1974
                  Secondly, Chechens are not only mine, but also ours, because we live in the same house -

                  I'm not going to the same toilet with them. So no, not mine.
                  Quote: Jamal1974
                  Refute at least one of his remarks,

                  And I’m not going to, there weren’t even such thoughts. I would not refute it, but everyone who was standing there and especially with kick posters in the ass from Russia.
                  Quote: Jamal1974
                  . And you are aware that for the murder of the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Dagestan in 2009, the Russian was given only 8 years old, no one has discussed this. But the Dagestan for the beatings of a policeman in Moscow is offered to give for life

                  A representative of Chechnya in St. Petersburg, a member of a gang of black realtors, received seven years in prison for the murder of seven pensioners in 2007! So let's not. And what about life for beating, I hope he gets it.
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              3. vladkavkaz
                vladkavkaz 21 January 2014 12: 47
                -6
                Alexander Romanov
                And this is a provocateur. And you are exactly the same provocateur, if you divide Russian citizens into yours and strangers. I don’t dare to judge from what you do, deliberately or on purpose, but definitely, such thoughts smell very bad-THIS is xenophobia and hostility, beneficial WEST. So dressing up in the shoes of a patriot, like this, periodically popping out from not for the sake of the propagandists of the split is a landmark proverb.
                1. Ihrek
                  Ihrek 21 January 2014 23: 06
                  0
                  Quote: vladkavkaz
                  xenophobia and enmity, beneficial to the WEST. so dressing up in the shoes of a patriot, like this, periodically popping out from not for the sake of the propagandists of the split is a landmark proverb.

                  Do you even understand what Che said?
                  Quote: vladkavkaz
                  Alexander Romanov And this is a provocateur. And you are exactly the same provocateur
                  Personally, I didn’t understand anything.
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            2. Ptah
              Ptah 21 January 2014 09: 24
              +4
              Quote: Jamal1974
              A Chechen traveling abroad says that he is Russian,

              That's for sure ... Therefore, over the past five years, for example, in Europe, black-haired, mono-browned, with a characteristic shade in speech and habits in everyday life, have become "Russians". Russian, when on the street, tries to be no different from the locals. The "Caucasus" is no different from a Turk, Greek or Albanian, but it is "Russian". That is why the judgment - every family in Russia still has a herd of horses in the yard, next to the bear, and everyone has long knives under their cloak.
              1. Ihrek
                Ihrek 21 January 2014 11: 25
                +1
                Quote: Ptah
                That's for sure ... Therefore, over the past five years, for example in Europe, black-haired people have become "Russians"

                It should not be a shame for this, but for the fact that we are called Russian pigs there, because some of our compatriots get drunk to the pig's squeal and do not know how to behave there.
                1. Ptah
                  Ptah 21 January 2014 11: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Jamal1974
                  but for the fact that we are called Russian pigs there, because some of our compatriots get drunk before the pig squeal and do not know how to behave there.

                  I have no less relatives in Germashka than in Russia.
                  There are more friends (although the Germans have no friends - only friends) than in Russia. I lived there for more than one year, even a son was born there. BUT I HAVE NEVER HEARED THIS FROM THE MAJORITY OF GERMANS, NEVER SEE THAT GREAT "BEFORE THE PIGGY SCREAM" RUSSIAN, or rather not more than a local one.
                  I repeat - A RUSSIAN CANNOT BE DISTINCTED IN A CROWD FROM A GERMAN without hearing his speech. "SOUTHERN MAN" - SIMPLY. By behavior, in cafes, at gas stations, on buses, etc.

                  If a Russian does anything, then drunk. Caucasian, Turk, Niger, Lebanese are doing this and sober.
                  The picture is not Russian, but local. Denmark seems to be ...
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 12: 01
                    +4
                    Quote: Ptah

                    If a Russian does anything, then drunk. Caucasian, Turk, Niger, Lebanese are doing this and sober.

                    You just became the main enemy of the whole Caucasus laughing and his representatives on the site. Soon in PM you will begin to receive messages like I’m you naidu, Mom klyanus-vahwassat
                    1. Ptah
                      Ptah 21 January 2014 12: 33
                      +6
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      You just became the main enemy of the whole Caucasus

                      This is not a gut ... "Apollo" will stomp me intolerantly ... I'll have to re-register to "Vadim Smirnov" before it's too late (there is no such account, there is "vice versa") ... Well, how to re-register ... The name is the same, but a passport with a new surname will have to be bought the other day ... what
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Soon you will begin to receive messages in PM

                      It is probably worth publishing some particularly colorful ones already received, not even from the inhabitants of the Caucasus.
                      Jews, by the way, again excelled everyone in this field ...
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 18: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: Ptah
                        Jews, by the way, again excelled everyone in this field ...

                        Suggest you do circumcision wassat
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          4. Ptah
            Ptah 21 January 2014 09: 08
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And then there are many of you since morning

            .... and all climb the site ....
            Sanya murmured gloomily, diving into cold slippers and squinting his eyes from the monitor. Looking at his watch, he saw that all the "fraternal peoples" had already woken up. The clock showed 16.48 ...

            "Frost and sun; wonderful day!
            You're asleep, my dear friend -
            It's time, beauty, wake up:
            Open close your eyes
            Towards northern Aurora,
            Look at the star of the north!

            Vechor, you remember, the blizzard was angry,
            In the cloudy sky, the haze rushed;
            The moon, like a pale spot,
            Through the clouds gloomy yellow,
            And you sat sad -
            And now ... look out the window:

            Under the blue skies
            Magnificent carpets,
            Shining in the sun, the snow lies;
            Transparent forest one blackens,
            And the spruce grows green through the hoarfrost,
            And the river under the ice shines.

            The whole room is amber shine
            Ozarena. Merry crash
            Cracked submerged furnace.
            It's nice to think at the couch.
            But you know: do not order a sledge
            Blade the brownish mare?

            Slipping on the morning snow,
            Dear friend, let's run
            The impatient horse
            And visit the empty fields,
            Forests, recently so thick,
            And the shore, sweet to me. "

            / "Our everything" /

            Hello ...hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 09: 31
              +2
              Quote: Ptah
              The clock showed 16.48 ...

              Your clock is lying, local time is 16 30, let the arrows down.
              Quote: Ptah
              Hello ..

              Hi laughing
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      2. Tersky
        Tersky 21 January 2014 08: 26
        +24
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Bandera Lviv in view of not have.

        Sasha hi ! Such a small person from school comes to the topic and yells: “Mom, Mom, today we were at school scribbling. So I have longer than everyone in the class! Is it because I am a Western Ukrainian? ”-“ No, son, because you are a stupid person and have been in the first grade for eight years ... ”.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 08: 50
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          - "No, son, because you are a stupid person and you are in the first grade for the eighth year ...".

          It’s more difficult in Ukraine, 23 years in the same class and the way to Europe. Felts stand still, felts run in circles, I can’t understand request
          Hi
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 21 January 2014 09: 16
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Felts stand still, roofing felts run in circles, I can not understand

            Do not guess, backing away ...
      3. bomg.77
        bomg.77 21 January 2014 08: 27
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ukraine is not a brotherly people, but ours, only they drove into their heads
        How Ukrainians do not understand this ?! How can one reach such a degree of moral degradation in order to persistently call oneself instead of the proud title “Russian” - “marginal” person? After all, the outskirts are the same slum, the outback! Refuse to be - and by whom ?! Russian! - for the sake of law and dubious joy, it’s not clear who it’s at whose incomprehensible land ... Words are not mine, they just got into my brain very much. hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 January 2014 08: 54
          +2
          Quote: bomg.77
          After all, the outskirts are the same slum, the outback!

          It is better to be independent with a bare booty than in a suit under occupation as part of a single country. There is no logic in this, no brains either. Hello hi
      4. Ihrek
        Ihrek 21 January 2014 08: 52
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ukraine is not a fraternal people, but ours, they just hit them in the head that they are not Russian and that’s it.

        I absolutely agree with a small reservation. Ukrainians are the same Russians, but who fought off the rest of the people, having found a reason in the statements of papal emissaries, for whom divide and conquer is not an empty phrase. PS: I hope Ukraine will someday return home to Russia, where its historical roots are, where it will also be Great, like all of Russia.
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      6. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 21 January 2014 11: 43
        +2
        In Central Europe until the Labe (Elbe) until the 10 century BC Western Slavs lived. The strongest were the lyutichi and encouraged (bodrichi). From the west, the Germans constantly pressed them, but the Lutichs and Bodrichs instead of uniting and rebuffing the invaders cut each other. And they hated brothers more than strangers.
        It was complete madness, as if some kind of brain virus of fratricide had hit the Western Slavs, as a result they were exterminated and assimilated by the Germans.
        From them this virus passed to the Poles, and the Poles infected the "Ukrainians-Westerners" who, out of hatred for the Russians, are ready to cooperate with anyone, even with their sworn enemies.
        Now this fratricidal virus is spreading by surviving OUN members and their ideological descendants throughout Ukraine.
        Some kind of inferno.
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    3. FiremanRS
      FiremanRS 21 January 2014 08: 24
      +11
      And you, dear man, take a trip to western Ukraine, take a walk in the evening, and talk to people .... Mb then you will understand how the two brothers live there ... All these OUN and UPA are thoroughly fascist organizations and what can we say about their successor. Evil takes !!! Shoot through one.
      1. domokl
        domokl 21 January 2014 08: 31
        +1
        Quote: FiremanRS
        And you, dear man, take a trip to western Ukraine, take a walk in the evening, and talk to people.

        Not later than on Catholic Christmas, my daughter was resting there ... And I came with wonderful impressions. Maybe because she speaks perfectly not only Russian, but also English, but this is a fact. And I didn’t see the Nazis there especially .. Maybe everyone in Kiev rushed to the Maidan?
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 21 January 2014 09: 10
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          Quote: FiremanRS
          And you, dear man, take a trip to western Ukraine, take a walk in the evening, and talk to people.

          Not later than on Catholic Christmas, my daughter was resting there ... And I came with wonderful impressions. Maybe because she speaks perfectly not only Russian, but also English, but this is a fact. And I didn’t see the Nazis there especially .. Maybe everyone in Kiev rushed to the Maidan?

          Even without the Anglitsky one, they go to the Carpathians to rest calmly, no sooner than before the baptism, the employee returned, she says nothing. Nobody ran behind her with a rope and a bar of soap.
      2. Retx
        Retx 21 January 2014 08: 33
        +10
        They perfectly show their "face" in Kiev. What are they calving with?
        1. kargrom
          kargrom 21 January 2014 14: 19
          +2
          I have the same question. In the Rada, laws have been adopted, there is no opposition, there are extremists.
        2. kargrom
          kargrom 25 January 2014 21: 22
          0
          Only now the hope for calving is being revived. Now they call names Radicals. According to the media they say that in case of disagreement between the parties, the Golden Eagle will go on the offensive in the evening. It seems that someone is simply given the opportunity to work out the money.
    4. makarov
      makarov 21 January 2014 08: 26
      +3
      "It is absolutely incomprehensible why this is. Fraternal peoples have lived together and will live. Not without disagreements, of course, and temporary quarrels. But it's like in any family ..."

      So I don't understand the purpose of the author of the material, and what he wanted to achieve? On reading, I see the incitement of chauvinism. Unfortunately, we cannot change history, it remains as it is. Smart people make an analysis about the future based on the past, so as not to make mistakes. The author of the material, in my opinion, is an ordinary slicker-manipulator. With the same success, he can insert the words "Bashkir", "Tatar", "Mordvin", "Komi-Permyak", etc. instead of Ukrainians, if desired.
      material "fe", contempt for the author.
      P.S. Why didn't the author make such "discoveries" during the Soviet era? What is the responsibility?
      1. domokl
        domokl 21 January 2014 08: 34
        +3
        Quote: makarov
        On reading, I see one- inciting chauvinism.

        The author knows the story very well. And uses the consonance of the names -Russian and Russian ... Some just don’t know the difference. But in general it’s true.
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        2. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 21 January 2014 10: 27
          0
          Quote: domokl
          Some simply don’t know the difference. On the whole, it’s true.


          Sometimes it is necessary to remind some of the presumptuous and insolent. TYPE = A KING IS Naked!

          These gorlopans, after all, are fed by ignorance about their GREATNESS!

          Somehow, imperceptibly, with the connivance of some and with the insolence of others, from somewhere under the "fence" a GREAT NATION crawls out, which should be kicked below the back because they want to live "relish"! Do you see now they decided to go to the PRIMAKI in the EU, but in Russia they are no longer so sweetly accommodated.

          It is necessary to debunk. And all sorts of Nemtsovs and basements and in Ukraine all sorts of "privatizators" of everything that is bad.

          Bravo to the author, atu them!

          Lift me the CENTURY!

          The author knows the story very well

          And for the knowledge of history, a special respect!
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 21 January 2014 13: 28
            +1
            Nick 1i2 you clearly have a promise to the toilet. fool
      2. old rocket man
        old rocket man 21 January 2014 09: 53
        +1
        Quote: makarov
        Why didn't the author make such "discoveries" during the Soviet era? What is the responsibility?


        I understand, Pasha, your indignation. The author surrounded the set of correct, in general, facts with his comments, giving the article an offensive and provocative character.
        Ukraine, as a state, exists and it doesn’t matter which year, we are one people, but I consider it inappropriate to emphasize this at every step, and in such a humiliating form.
        Frostbite Natsik is everywhere, do not judge by them about all decent people drinks
      3. ed65b
        ed65b 21 January 2014 13: 27
        0
        Makarov, you're right. good
    5. Ptah
      Ptah 21 January 2014 08: 30
      +2
      Quote: artifox
      What is this stream of consciousness about?

      A stream is a stream. But certainly not consciousness .... Some kind of pressure of inflamed delirium.
      On one point I agree with the author that the name "Ukrainians" does not sound like a nationality, but more like a "place of residence", which is also not entirely correct. What to take as a "starting point".
      It would be worthwhile to name the Slavic neighbors - a question for linguists or anthropologists.
      Quote: artifox
      but each other’s mouth will be torn to anyone :)

      Russians, Belarusians, "Ukrainians", Poles, Bulgarians - one group.
      Slovenes, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins - another.
      Yes, it's two fists. With which you can knock anyone on the planet.
      Dreams Dreams....

      aquilaaquilonis.livejournal.com/369791.html
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 21 January 2014 08: 47
        +3
        Austrians are also an ethnophant, but the question of why this happened can be found in the Soviet Encyclopedic Dictionary or Wikipedia

        "divide and rule"
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 21 January 2014 09: 14
          +1
          Quote: fisherman
          Austrians are also an ethnophant

          But there are similarities. Only the Austrians almost tweet in German. More precisely in the Bavarian dialect, which is now leveled.
          But if a German understands the Austrian with ease, then not every Russian is Ukrainian (I, for example).

          Quote: fisherman
          "divide and rule"

          That's the calculation. Look at the map - the Slavs. This is what territory. fellow More than China, where the population is mostly homogeneous.
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      3. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 21 January 2014 10: 43
        -1
        Quote: Ptah
        Yes, it's two fists. With which you can knock anyone on the planet.


        and other (same Germans) fingers on the same hand! But for some reason, they’re not just killing, but they’ll burn etch to the roots! Erase ...

        Well this beast is not like that.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 21 January 2014 11: 31
          +1
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          and other (same Germans) fingers on the same hand!

          I mean the Slavs. The Germans are Romans.
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          But for some reason, they’re not just killing, but they’ll burn etch to the roots! Erase ...

          Come on, you get scared of every rustle. I have been living with the Germans since the mid-80s, and I am ready to convey to you their words that "they are not interested in either you or me, as an object to be corroded to the roots." They want one thing, so that everyone would fall behind.
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Well this beast is not like that.

          Looking for a "menagerie" in the wrong place ....
      4. ed65b
        ed65b 21 January 2014 13: 31
        0
        The Poles were friends to us before the adoption of Catholicism, then the Pope appointed them to look over the Slavs and this still has not weathered them.
    6. alone
      alone 21 January 2014 18: 46
      -2
      Quote: artifox
      from what is this stream of consciousness?

      It is completely incomprehensible why this is.


      You really don’t understand why this is done? And how do you think, what needs to be done in order to arrange here the Ukrainian-Russian Srach? Exactly. That's what such articles are for.))
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 21 January 2014 08: 18
    +4
    Carrying out the genocide in 1914-1917 of defenseless Rusyns - men, women, old people and children for ideological reasons, as alien elements - Russians, without any trial or investigation.


    Such things are possible when the central authority in Russia weakens and the fate of the Russian-speaking population is left at the mercy of local tsars and Natsiks.
    The same thing has been happening and is happening now in the Caucasus.
    The theme of the extermination of Russians in GALICIA 14-17g. and in the Caucasus in the 90-ies not studied as it should and requires a thorough investigation by scientists.
    It is necessary to find protective mechanisms so that this does not happen again in the future.
    1. domokl
      domokl 21 January 2014 08: 28
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The theme of the extermination of Russians in GALICIA 14-17g. and in the Caucasus in the 90-ies not studied as it should and requires a thorough investigation by scientists.
      It is necessary to find protective mechanisms so that this does not happen again in the future.

      Interesting. We are shouting to drive away the Gaster from Russia, not to mention more radical solutions, and at the same time protect the Russians abroad ...
      A citizen of Russia and an ethnic Russian, whose ancestors once left the country (the reasons are not so important) agree two big differences ... Americans are not ethnically Americans (except Indians of course), but they are Americans ... And they are proud of that.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 21 January 2014 09: 43
        +2
        Dear domokl, you know perfectly well who and why is screaming to drive guest workers, but let's separate the flies from the cutlets.

        I listened
        An interview with my very respected MAGOMED TOLBOYEV, he directly speaks of unpleasant things in this regard (and he is right) - THE RUSSIAN-SPEAKING POPULATION IS EXTRUSED FROM THE CAUCASUS.
        Something similar happened and is happening in UKRAINE, in particular in GALITSIA (Lviv region).

        Some comrades want to silence this topic, claiming that it’s srach, but it's like putting your head in the sand and shouting about the pride of the Americans (I honestly spit on this is their life).
        I am more concerned about the fate of the Russian-speaking civilian population, by the will of fate, which turned out to be hot spots.
        1. domokl
          domokl 21 January 2014 10: 02
          0
          Well, I agree about insects. I also don’t like flies. And I agree about problems. Just because it is connected with the problems of ethnic Russians in other countries? The fate of the citizens of this country is the concern of the government of this country. If you wish, you can end up abroad. But once there, you need to be a citizen country ... your country. Not Russia. and the one where you received citizenship.
          Why Ukrainians (and we have a lot of them in Russia) do not expect support from Ukraine, but live according to Russian laws? Yes, because they are citizens of Russia. If necessary, we will help to create cultural centers abroad, but nothing more. In Canada there are entire Russian regions. They live there as our ancestors lived in tsarist times ... And no one teaches them to live differently .. However, they are Canadians .. And not in the first generation
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 21 January 2014 10: 10
            +1
            Dear domokl
            Tell me a simple thing - whether Russian Canadians are being persecuted for Russian (or whether they are forbidden) to speak Russian.
            In LVIV, some hot young ladies-debatants are already ready to rush to a person for listening to Russian songs, what it is.
            1. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 21 January 2014 11: 54
              +1
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              In LVIV, some hot young ladies-debatants are already ready to rush to a person for listening to Russian songs, what it is.

              At the beginning of the 90, the news showed a pogrom in Lviv. They smashed the local Ukrainian cafe, in which Russian songs were performed.
              The old woman, with her face turned from malice into the bestial muzzle, beat the chair in the window with a chair.
              Such creatures are brutal, all sorts of Ukrainian nationalists, these are no longer people, they are some kind of undead, degenerates from hell.
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      3. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 21 January 2014 10: 59
        0
        Quote: domokl
        however, they are Americans ... And they are proud of that.


        let them be proud (on paper) and live on credit (everyone envy), however,

        IT WAS NOT ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!!

        that day is not far off (I believe) and self-satisfaction with the country and myself will come to us!

        And there are reasons for this: they have not bent! got up off your knees! WE HELP ANOTHER FRIEND (FIRES, FLOODING, ACCIDENTS, etc.). When was this? Who will give an example from the history of the country?

        After all, the phrase: GO THE WORLD! born from there! What help from the state you will not get! The whole world .... i.e. the whole village helped.

        There is something to be proud of! THERE IS!

        And you have to start ...
  3. domokl
    domokl 21 January 2014 08: 18
    +2
    As an excursion into the history of the issue, the article may be normal. But why now tedious? The goal is understandable to bring the Ruthenians to the political scene, as a real force. It is possible to achieve autonomy, or even the creation of their own state.
    Just at the wrong time. It is now about preserving the unified state of Ukraine. And we have no right to add oil to the flaming fire.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 21 January 2014 08: 37
      -1
      Quote: domokl
      But why bother now?

      What do you mean why? Srach on the forum to breed.
      1. domokl
        domokl 21 January 2014 08: 44
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Srach on the forum to breed.

        It’s logical. This is a continuation of the Maidan, but already on the forum ... I looked at the comments and I see that the attack is quite interesting. Let's see where this leads ... drinks
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 21 January 2014 09: 49
      0
      Quote: domokl
      . It is now about preserving the united state of Ukraine.


      Good day to all! I’m afraid that it’s too late, because Lenin’s grandfather:

      1) the inability of the ruling class to maintain its unchanged
      domination, a situation where the tops cannot rule in the old way;


      there is? love, there

      2) a sharp aggravation above the ordinary need and calamities of the oppressed classes, when the lower classes do not want to live in the old way;

      present

      3) a significant increase in the activity of the masses, their readiness for independent revolutionary creativity.

      how do you like the catapult, the Molotov cocktail, and, well, the main weapon of the proletariat is the cobblestone?
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 21 January 2014 10: 12
      +2
      But why bother now?


      Well then, let's not tidy up the history of the Second World War, and they will soon tell us that we were not there, just like in our case.
  4. askort154
    askort154 21 January 2014 08: 21
    +4
    As there is no American nationality, so there is no Ukrainian nationality.
    Now the Russians are being remade into Russians.
    1. def89
      def89 21 January 2014 08: 42
      0
      I have a Russian mother, an Azerbaijani dad. He fought in Chechnya, what is my nationality in your opinion? Russian, Russian or Azerbaijani?
      1. askort154
        askort154 21 January 2014 08: 51
        +1
        def89 ... I have a Russian mother, an Azerbaijani dad. He fought in Chechnya, what is my nationality in your opinion? Russian, Russian or Azerbaijani?

        Very simple; in the language of what nationality do you think you belong to that nationality.
      2. domokl
        domokl 21 January 2014 09: 01
        +2
        Quote: def89
        I have a Russian mother, an Azerbaijani dad.

        Handsomely... drinks The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of supposedly Russian people. Slavs and other things. Only for some reason black people sit in the trenches in the war. And white, and nosy, and narrow-eyed ... And they also lie in mass graves. Not only now , but also for the entire existence of Russia, Russia as a state.
        In Siberia and the Far East, who and when looked at the face of the face? They always shared a normal guy and. That's all. Yes, and in other places too ... In the same Sochi, in my opinion there are more Armenians than in Armenia.
      3. makarov
        makarov 21 January 2014 09: 31
        0
        Well, if such a "explosive mixture", then you are definitely Ukrainian fellow
      4. makarov
        makarov 21 January 2014 09: 48
        0
        I have a Russian mother, an Azerbaijani dad. He fought in Chechnya, what is my nationality in your opinion? Russian, Russian or Azerbaijani?

        If such a "explosive mixture", then you are definitely Ukrainian fellow
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 21 January 2014 09: 58
          +1
          I have a dad - Little Russian, my mother - Little Russian, and you think I'm Ukrainian? Nope, the son of Russian turned out to be
  5. invisibility
    invisibility 21 January 2014 08: 22
    +1
    A very instructive article, although new, for me personally it is not enough. It is enough to include logic or, in some cases, the brain. We are one people, it’s time to realize this (individuals from Western Ukraine can’t read, in order to avoid boiling the brain) and work hard to unite and punish all kinds of bad people (oh moderators!) Pouring mud on our people! Was Kievan Rus became Russia! Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians, nothing to share.
  6. calocha
    calocha 21 January 2014 08: 24
    +4
    There is nothing new under the moon ... The author is plus. It is necessary to open the "abscesses" of time. This is the only way to restore the bonds of the Russian people.
  7. Stinger
    Stinger 21 January 2014 08: 26
    +1
    It turns out that I gave birth to you, and kill you?
  8. Gecko
    Gecko 21 January 2014 08: 34
    +3
    And what do you want from a pseudo-historian with the Polish surname Grushevsky?
    The Poles never had a special love for the Russians.
  9. Baton
    Baton 21 January 2014 08: 37
    +2
    And not tired of dividing into different nations? Slavs - they are the Slavs, as you do not call them ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 21 January 2014 08: 46
      0
      And the rest? In Russia 150 with the hook of the peoples, and there are not many Slavs among them ...
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  11. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 21 January 2014 08: 46
    +1
    Dill, damn it. lol
  12. Arhj
    Arhj 21 January 2014 08: 51
    +1
    That was all that was required to prove. With all due respect, initially Ukrainians are ethnically Russian natives of Galicia and Volhynia.
    But in general, it seems that Ukraine has something to spend money on, instead of throwing it to prove to Ukrainians that they are Ukrainians. If a person has decided that he is a Ukrainian, he cannot be convinced of this. And to prove to someone that he already knows is psychosis.
  13. svoi
    svoi 21 January 2014 08: 51
    +3

    Just at the wrong time. It’s about preserving the unified state of Ukraine now. And we have no right to add oil to the flaming fire. [/ Quote]
    East so-called Our Ukraine, historically, mentally, whatever. To the west deeply and absolutely ... The best option for Russia is, once again, a section of this territorial misunderstanding (IMHO), it seems, this is what is going on. If this happens, we will gloat over Bandera.
  14. ed65b
    ed65b 21 January 2014 09: 17
    +1
    Something the author "omitted" Ukraintsev. I somehow did not think about it, all my adult life for me were Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians. And somehow no one was complex about this. But call it Bandera, they were terribly offended. now to see the insulting word in the past sounds like a reward for the expression of "independence". The Cossacks are not happy with the Ukrainian. From the guardians of the Russian borders, packs of clowns and demagogues.
  15. Egen
    Egen 21 January 2014 09: 22
    +1
    "And no one even heard of any Ukrainians ..."
    And that someone doubted :))
  16. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 21 January 2014 11: 15
    +2
    It would be better to raise the topic of the disappearance and dissolution of Russians in the East and South of Ukraine. I'm the only one who worries about this campaign ?! Wait until Kharkiv becomes Bandera in 10 years. Russian-speaking uk nationalists are not a little better than movable ones. They lived that in Odessa they were blocking VVs by strikers and Nazis. Project "Ukraine" has taken place, so it is stupid to deny and prove something. Who will save any language from de-Russification, although it is important, but the consciousness of the inhabitants of cities: Krivoy Rog, Dneprodzerzhinsk, Donetsk, Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Mariupol, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Kharkov, etc.?

    Do not consider the South-East of Ukraine as pro-Russian ..
    1. Bumbik
      Bumbik 21 January 2014 11: 35
      -5
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Wait until Kharkov becomes Bandera in 10 years.
      If you continue to pry your nose, with its imperial complex, where it should not be, namely, in the affairs of sovereign states, then not only Kharkov will become Bandera
      1. SergBrNord
        SergBrNord 21 January 2014 12: 28
        +3
        By the way, Kharkiv is a Russian city, New Russia was transferred to 1922.
        Go to Charter 97, dear, go whine, there are people like you "zmagarou" (with common sense), tueva hucha.
  17. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 21 January 2014 12: 45
    +3
    Quote: SergBrNord
    By the way, Kharkiv is a Russian city, New Russia was transferred to 1922.
    Go to Charter 97, dear, go whine, there are people like you "zmagarou" (with common sense), tueva hucha.


    You are aware that there is no subject in Russian-language schools in Ukraine Russian history? Being Russian-speaking is not a fact of being and staying mentally Russian. An entire generation of Russian-speaking in the East of Ukraine has grown up on Russian-speaking Russian-language textbooks on the history of Ukraine.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 21 January 2014 13: 33
      +1
      In the Russian Federation, too, there is no history of Ukraine and all the former Soviet republics.
  18. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 21 January 2014 15: 46
    +1
    Quote: ed65b
    In the Russian Federation, too, there is no history of Ukraine and all the former Soviet republics.

    What can be the history of Ukraine, if Ukraine, appeared only in the 1991 year?
    Before that, it was part of Russia, ON, Rospolitaya, Great Russia, the Russian Empire, the USSR, and had no separate history. Most of the history of Ukraine, with the exception of 300 years, coincides with the history of Russia. Why allocate it?
    All other republics of the former Soviet Union before joining it also did not have their own history, and if they had, like Georgia, Armenia, Uzbekistan, etc., then it has nothing to do with the history of Russia.