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Crye Precision Introduces 6 12 Caliber Shotgun Revolver Shotgun

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The under-barrel shotgun is not an alien element for the M16 assault rifle. For many years, the marines and soldiers of the United States have been using the Masterkeys under-barrel shotgun for the M16. Masterkeys is a Remington 870 pump shotgun with a shortened barrel and no stock with a handle.


Crye Precision Introduces 6 12 Caliber Shotgun Revolver Shotgun

In order to make a shot from an under-barrel shotgun, the shooter needs to move one of the hands forward and using the magazine as a supporting surface, pressing the trigger of the shotgun to make a shot. The need to move the hand reduces the speed of the shot. In addition, the capacity of the Masterkeys store is limited to 3 cartridges.

The new Six12 shotgun presented to the progressive rifle public at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas has no shortcomings listed above, because it has the capacity of an 6 magazine of cartridges and allows you to fire from a shotgun without having to change the position of the hands. All this was made possible thanks to the double action revolver system.

The developer Crye Precision also offers a separate full-size version of the Six12 revolver shotgun, which is great for fans of the Street Sweeper shotgun, but who would like to have a more modern and compact version.


The body of the shotgun drum is made of synthetic material, and the cartridge chambers are made of steel. In the full shotgun version, the Six12 can be equipped with a Picatinny rail for mounting optics and sights. The Six12 is lighter and more compact than the currently used Masterkeys system, and can be supplied in any color version, provided that it is black.

There are no data on the price and timing of the start of sales.
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 20 January 2014 13: 56
    +11
    "can be supplied in any color, provided it is black." - this, excuse me, how?
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 20 January 2014 14: 10
      +1
      Apparently, it means that there will still be camouflage paints supplied in addition to the barrel. Now everywhere is a fashion to decorate trunks in the sand there, khaki. I must say it looks interesting. Moreover, I heard (from whom I can’t remember) that ours are very prone to make such paint
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    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 20 January 2014 14: 44
      +18
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      this, sorry how?

      This is the catchphrase of Henry Ford - A car can be of any color, provided that it is black. Perhaps the author tried to joke like that. A hybrid machine and shotgun - nonsense, because A shotgun is a weapon in a close range, and should be convenient. and here it is made as a grenade launcher, and is extremely not convenient to use. Unless for the police, if you use traumatic cartridges, and at the same time, the machine is at hand. request
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 20 January 2014 15: 47
        +3
        Well, they can also kick the doors, and now they carry a special fighter with them with a shotgun.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 20 January 2014 16: 54
          +2
          Ours back in 1990 developed the MTs-255, a 5-round revolver type shotgun, though not under-barrel.
          1. sawmill
            sawmill 20 January 2014 18: 15
            0
            And the caliber of our 20, of course, is less powerful, but the thing is nice.
            1. Yurievich
              Yurievich 20 January 2014 20: 05
              +2
              Caliber 32 to 12.
              1. bistrov.
                bistrov. 20 January 2014 22: 08
                0
                Quote: Yuryevich
                Caliber 32 to 12.

                According to the owners, the trouble-free thing is as simple as an ax, but the price! From 50000 to 70000 rubles! You might think that they make it out of pure gold.
          2. alexey garbuz
            alexey garbuz 20 January 2014 23: 17
            0
            In South Africa, a long-term revolving gun for the police was concocted with a short barrel and no stock http: //ohrana.ru/weapon/shotguns_revolving_type/7549/
            1. Steppenwolf
              Steppenwolf 21 January 2014 00: 52
              0
              The thing is interesting and original, but hefty heavy and overall in width - after all, 12 rounds in a drum, one horseradish is a separate fighter with this stray, who should also have a second weapon - he sits in a corner and reload this lawn mower for half an hour operation time, I still feel satisfaction ...
        2. andrei332809
          andrei332809 20 January 2014 19: 11
          +9
          Quote: cth; fyn
          Well, they can also kick the doors, and now they carry a special fighter with them with a shotgun.


          laughing
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 21 January 2014 09: 47
            +1
            Scary sound attack. "Enemies in the container" lost their hearing from such a "drum".
            laughing
      2. vagabo
        vagabo 20 January 2014 17: 08
        +2
        I completely agree with Ingvar. IMHO, the unit was made extremely inconvenient for practical use. Mb would installing a handle under this device somehow solve the problem?
      3. clidon
        clidon 20 January 2014 18: 28
        +4
        I will also clarify - G. Ford was referring to the mass and cheap model "Ford-T" which was produced only in one color version - black. )

        The shotgun is good for assault squads that have to work in "cramped" urban environments.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 20 January 2014 20: 26
          0
          Quote: clidon
          The shotgun is good for assault squads that have to work in "cramped" urban environments.

          Shotgun with 3 rounds and a fight in the city?
          For knocking out locks? overhead charge is more reliable and lighter.
          For combat in a confined space, the gun is more reliable and more ammunition.
          The device is strange enough, like a shotgun and not a shotgun, as in the photo!
          1. clidon
            clidon 20 January 2014 20: 46
            +1
            Peeling a card and two cartridge is enough. There are 5 of them in the usual shotgun and, nothing, are not too lazy to drag.
    3. family tree
      family tree 20 January 2014 22: 05
      +1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      "can be supplied in any color, provided it is black." - this, excuse me, how?

      Like Ford:
      - I recognize any color of the car, provided that it is black request
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    5. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 21 January 2014 09: 16
      0
      And this is like Henry, our Ford
  2. makarov
    makarov 20 January 2014 14: 00
    +7
    a double-barreled aggregate of the described injury, or rather its expediency of use, is the same as a man No.
    1. Fullback
      Fullback 20 January 2014 14: 16
      +7
      It seems that this shotgun is used to knock doors, Masterkeys is a universal key, for this action it justifies itself.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 20 January 2014 14: 33
      +4
      I’m also thinking about which lag you need to carry the drab under the colt ???? Only if you quickly need to open the door)
      1. Genry
        Genry 20 January 2014 14: 43
        +5
        Quote: Clever man
        I’m also thinking about which lag you need to drag a drab under the colt

        For close combat. The energy of one shot is enough to stop or kill the enemy.
        1. Al_lexx
          Al_lexx 20 January 2014 21: 49
          +1
          Yeah. Not only that will stop, but will also turn back. )))
          Especially true when the enemy is in the armor.
    3. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 20 January 2014 15: 50
      +8
      Quote: makarov
      ... the same as a two-footed man

      Do not tell me, dear. In close combat, especially in urban, street conditions, a single directed shot by a dozen buckshots is no less (or even more) effective than a half-turn. Ask women who they would prefer - one or two ... wink
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    5. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch 20 January 2014 18: 10
      +4
      In vain you are so, at short and medium distances (for a smoothbore from 5 to 35 meters) the thing is just a song! Checked!
      1. Cbl4
        Cbl4 14 October 2017 20: 46
        0
        I completely agree! Bronik may leave a chance to survive, but 30 with a small range of lead will be unbalanced for sure. (they will be transferred to the horizontal position ☺) And if the cartridges are equipped with bullets such as Blondo, Magnik and Magnitogorsk-2, then the armor will not save.
  3. svp67
    svp67 20 January 2014 14: 06
    +3
    But it was interesting to evaluate the combat properties of a shotgun in terms of equipping them with crews of combat vehicles ...
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 20 January 2014 14: 31
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      It was interesting to evaluate the combat properties of a shotgun in terms of equipping them with crews of combat vehicles

      The aggregator is certainly interesting, but I think that small-sized software for these purposes will be much more preferable ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 20 January 2014 14: 56
        +6
        Quote: Chicot 1
        The aggregator is certainly interesting, but I think that small-sized software for these purposes will be much more preferable ...
        So it would be interesting to compare. Well, the fact that the PP is needed is no question here, but at the moment the BM hits, you bang out of such a thing a couple of times - it is not even necessary to aim there, the main thing is that "to that steppe ..." and a swarm of fractions is your business will do ...
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 20 January 2014 17: 06
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          a swarm of fractions will do its job

          Such buckshot is still preferable. And best of all, the so-called. "faceted" (or "faceted"). True, it is expensive, since it is made of hard alloys (and naturally they shoot it only in a container) ...
          According to a number of experts, a shot from a shotgun (of course, buckshot) is equivalent in its effectiveness to a short burst from a PP. But this rule is valid only for short (literally "pistol") distances. With an increase in the distance to the target, the effectiveness of smooth-bore weapons decreases. Moreover, this will be obvious with a relatively short barrel ...
          Quote: svp67
          So it would be interesting to compare

          Compare of course is interesting. But in this and a specific case (if we consider the choice of weapons for the crews of armored vehicles, and even in the system of army weapons), PP will still prevail ...
        2. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 20 January 2014 19: 21
          +3
          For BM crews, a submachine gun is preferable.
          At one time, the Kovrov gunsmiths offered PP-KASHTAN (AEK-919K) and even developed a special holster for BM crews (so that the weapon was always at hand, but did not interfere with working in a tank or other BM), but it was never armed accepted, although reviews from tankers for example (tests were conducted in the tank) were the most positive.

  4. Anaris
    Anaris 20 January 2014 14: 22
    0
    An interesting inscription on a T-shirt by a person holding a machine gun ...
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 20 January 2014 15: 19
      +1
      - The inscription makes you think ...
      1. Salamander
        Salamander 20 January 2014 17: 31
        +3
        Vo-in ... the inscription is interesting ...
        Strikethrough:
        personal responsibility
        some kind of press
        free market
        health care system
        privacy (privacy)

        Highlighted:
        constitution
        country
        you
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 20 January 2014 18: 26
          +2
          - An impartial (as it is in the text) press ... and most likely is not highlighted, but REMAINED ....
  5. starhina01
    starhina01 20 January 2014 14: 29
    +3
    This device is interesting as a technical solution, but as a practical application, it’s personally more practical for me soldier
  6. JonnyT
    JonnyT 20 January 2014 14: 40
    +3
    why put it under the trunk? hard and not comfortable
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 20 January 2014 15: 46
      +3
      Apparently not, and the American command believes that the under-barrel shotgun can turn the tide in close combat. I won’t be surprised if, after some time, the Russian command will come to this.
      1. svp67
        svp67 20 January 2014 15: 48
        +5
        Quote: GastaClaus69
        I won’t be surprised if, after some time, the Russian command will come to this.
        Any, including the experience of others, must be comprehended and the best taken into service ...
        1. GastaClaus69
          GastaClaus69 20 January 2014 15: 53
          +2
          Who is arguing? With grenade launchers it was.
    2. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 20 January 2014 17: 34
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      why put it under the trunk?

      To make it like coffee - two in one ... wink
      Quote: JonnyT
      hard and not comfortable

      There may be a situation when a shotgun is needed, but there is no time to climb after it ... everything really repeats itself in the same way as with the grenade launcher. He, too, was once "independent" and "independent" (at least the same M79). Until he was attached to the rifle ...
      And the fact that heavy ... So the caliber dictates its own. Single-charge (and even double-barreled) would be easier, but the constant recharging of such systems is their huge drawback. Especially in close combat ...

      Houda (or "haudah") - hedging a hunting rifle (in fact, its sawn-off shotgun) in comparison with the traumatic pistol "Makarych". The tasks are similar (civilian self-defense weapons), but the pistol is more compact. At the same time, the shotgun is more versatile due to the larger range of ammunition used ...
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 20 January 2014 20: 44
        0
        I have great respect for the people who will use these weapons, but try to hear my opinion. Glory to GOD, we do not live in the front line, and I hope when it does not apply.
  7. cerko
    cerko 20 January 2014 14: 51
    +3
    our army certainly doesn’t need it, but we don’t get around the amers, because their army primarily performs police functions, and there you need to knock out the door and get into the crowd of aggressive-minded citizens ..
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 January 2014 14: 57
      +4
      Quote: cerko
      our army certainly doesn’t need it, but we don’t get around the amers, because their army primarily performs police functions, and there you need to knock out the door and get into the crowd of aggressive-minded citizens ..
      that is, our soldiers do not have to storm the building and in the future is not planned ... a bold statement ...
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 20 January 2014 15: 08
        +12
        Our "Saiga" in the underbarrel version.
        1. GastaClaus69
          GastaClaus69 20 January 2014 19: 19
          0
          And how is this device with the extraction of cartridges?
        2. Ram chandra
          Ram chandra 20 January 2014 20: 49
          +4
          And on Saigi’s grenade launcher you can hang another Saigu ... and so endlessly!
        3. luiswoo
          luiswoo 20 January 2014 22: 47
          +2
          In total, almost six kilograms ... It seems, in spite of this, that the developer of the Wasp unforgivably slows down by clicking his beak, profuking the potential market - with an electric igniter, the release of this "grenade" can be brought to the "shooting" hand ... Fighting Wasp probably would not more than a kilogram, it would be funny to see that.
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  8. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 20 January 2014 15: 01
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    A hybrid machine and shotgun - nonsense, because A shotgun is a weapon in a close range, and should be convenient.

    And let this machine for long-range combat?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 20 January 2014 15: 47
      +5
      Quote: REDBLUE
      And let this machine for long-range combat?

      Sighting range compare. hi
  9. Fofan
    Fofan 20 January 2014 15: 33
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: cerko
    our army certainly doesn’t need it, but we don’t get around the amers, because their army primarily performs police functions, and there you need to knock out the door and get into the crowd of aggressive-minded citizens ..
    that is, our soldiers do not have to storm the building and in the future is not planned ... a bold statement ...

    xs cho you imagine yourself there, but came up with everything before you
    “Break into the house together - you and a grenade. Both should be dressed lightly: you - without a duffel bag, a grenade - without a “shirt”. Break in like this: a grenade is ahead, and you are behind it. Go through the whole house again with a grenade - a grenade is in front, and you - next ... "
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 January 2014 15: 44
      0
      Quote: Fofan
      Go through the whole house again with a grenade - a grenade is in front, and you - next ... "

      In a five-story building, there are three or four apartments per floor, this is at least 12-15 grenades, not counting the rooms, utility rooms - in total, at least 30 grenades ... Do not overstrain yourself, especially since "without a duffel bag ... "Yes, and there are times when grenades rolled back ...
      1. Massik
        Massik 20 January 2014 17: 47
        +1
        As they say in such cases, the head is more expensive! It is always better to throw 2 grenades than to substitute your own head, 20 grenades per person is the norm.
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    4. dr.star75
      dr.star75 20 January 2014 18: 22
      0
      Accidentally a quote not from A. Potapov?
  10. Fofan
    Fofan 20 January 2014 15: 48
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Fofan
    Go through the whole house again with a grenade - a grenade is in front, and you - next ... "

    In a five-story building, there are three or four apartments per floor, this is at least 12-15 grenades, not counting the rooms, utility rooms - in total, at least 30 grenades ... Do not overstrain yourself, especially since "without a duffel bag ... "Yes, and there are times when grenades rolled back ...

    not torn either then or in the Chechen.
    you count how many doors you can drive in this five-story building with this squeaker.
    in my staircase, God forbid, a fifth of the wooden doors. the rest is metal. and what will you beat them out with? with your concrete head?
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 January 2014 16: 59
      -1
      Quote: Fofan
      not torn then

      Well done. And with a shotgun would be even more quickly controlled. After all, you will not deny the utility, in some situations, MONOK. And here is the same action, only somewhat limited and more manageable ... and these shotguns are not so against the doors, although they can, for which SPECIAL ammunition is developed, but more against manpower ... So, that’s not worth it reject them, only because you have not used them before ... If you adhere to this point of view, then there would not be any grenades ...
      1. Fofan
        Fofan 20 January 2014 17: 08
        -1
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Fofan
        not torn then

        Well done. And with a shotgun would be even more quickly controlled. After all, you will not deny the utility, in some situations, MONOK. And here is the same action, only somewhat limited and more manageable ... and these shotguns are not so against the doors, although they can, for which SPECIAL ammunition is developed, but more against manpower ... So, that’s not worth it reject them, only because you have not used them before ... If you adhere to this point of view, then there would not be any grenades ...
        shotguns versus manpower? are you an addict?
        and by the way, "some" is spelled together. Or, in this case, too, I cannot reject such a spelling, "just because I have not used it before"?
        1. svp67
          svp67 20 January 2014 17: 57
          +5
          Quote: Fofan
          some "is spelled together
          Thanks for pointing out the error. And the fact that your parents didn’t teach you that they aren’t strangers?
          Quote: Fofan
          shotguns versus manpower?

          Do you think that in the trenches they kicked the doors? But it was there that they found their primary BATTLE use ... No, it is a very effective combat weapon, over short distances, and this precisely indicates its STORM mission ...
          TRENCH CLEANING
          • The first 12-caliber smoothbore guns were the five-shot Winchester pump-action models of 1897 and 1912, which had bayonet mounts. Having studied the course of the battles between the European armies in the context of the positional crisis of the world war, the United States supplied its expeditionary forces sent to France in 1917 with a sufficient number of such guns.

          • Shotguns were intended for short-range combat, primarily for “cleansing” enemy trenches, since in these conditions long-barreled magazine rifles were ineffective. Cases of the use of rifles by Entente army personnel were noted before the arrival of American troops on the Western Front. So, during the period of the Entente's Dardanelles operation (February 1915 - January 1916), one of the officers of the Australian contingent fired from the edge of the hunting shotgun. After he literally shot off the head of an enemy soldier, the Turkish command tried to appeal to the international rules of war, arguing its protests by the fact that the double-barreled gun is not a military weapon.

          • In 1918, the Germans made similar attempts, but also failed. From the side of Kaiser Germany, the first to use poisonous substances, statements about the inhumanity of shotguns and cartridges looked, of course, somewhat strange.

          • The value of card cartridges in close combat is explained by the possibility of conducting not aimed, but effective high-density fire against a suddenly appearing target. We can say that a pump-action shotgun loaded with such cartridges became the forerunner of the German response to the challenges of the “trench” war - the MP-18 submachine gun, which began to enter the German troops in 1918. Meanwhile, on the Western Front, it also became clear that shotguns are very useful in military operations in urban areas.

          • By the time World War I ended, there were 19 pump-action shotguns in the US Army. The American expeditionary force by that time totaled more than a million people, half of them were at the forefront. A rough calculation makes it possible to determine that one shotgun came from about every 600th US soldier who was at the front. If we subtract from the number of fighters of artillerymen, tankers, aviators, it turns out that the infantry had several shotguns per platoon.

          • Americans actively used pump-action shotguns in the Second World War, and at the same time with the greatest efficiency - on the Pacific Theater. In the jungle, visibility was very limited and opponents could meet quite unexpectedly at a distance not exceeding a couple of tens of meters, namely, such distances - up to 50-70 m are effective for firing smooth-bore weapons with shot and cartridges
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 January 2014 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: Fofan
          shotguns versus manpower?

          In fact, the shotgun is a very handy and effective weapon against manpower. Plus the ability to use special ammunition. But in this case, an inflection point, such a hybrid is simply not convenient to use, and it is heavy, in battle it is easier to carry a secondary weapon - a pistol. And it is wrong to compare with grenades, the tasks are completely different. By the way, the proverb - "two people enter the house, a grenade, then me", originally from Afgan, and saved many lives. A comrade served there for a term in the DShB, he told me. hi
          PS
          are you an addict?
          Do not get personal.
          1. svp67
            svp67 20 January 2014 18: 03
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            By the way, the proverb - "two people enter the house, a grenade, then me", originally from Afgan, and saved many lives.

            This saying was already alive in the Battle of Stalingrad
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 20 January 2014 19: 35
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              This saying was already alive in the Battle of Stalingrad

              I was not there then. laughingI heard only from the Afghans, although I will not argue, everything new is well forgotten old. hi
              1. svp67
                svp67 20 January 2014 19: 43
                +3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                all new is well forgotten old
                Not without it...
                What the article says above and the saying
                “Break into the house together - you and a grenade. Both should be dressed lightly: you - without a duffel bag, a grenade - without a “shirt”. Break in like this: a grenade is ahead, and you are behind it. Go through the whole house again with a grenade - a grenade is in front, and you - next ... "
                This proverb corresponds to the procedure with RGD 33. When using a defensive cover (shirt) - a defensive grenade, without a shirt - offensive.
      2. Massik
        Massik 20 January 2014 17: 54
        +2
        Ie in each SPECIAL cartridge mini overhead charge of 200 grams of explosives ??? In order for the rifle cartridge to be at least slightly compared in effectiveness with the MON 50, it must be at least 50 mm in caliber, not to mention its length laughing For close combat, no one bothers to develop a kind of VOG -unification, you don’t need to carry extra 4kg and firing at the approaching enemy during a store change will also be what ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 20 January 2014 18: 10
          +3
          Quote: Marssik
          For close combat, no one bothers to develop a kind of VOG -unification, you don’t need to carry extra 4kg and firing at the approaching enemy during a store change will also be what ...

          There is such a thing ...
          Grenade launcher RG-6 (RG-1)
          Characteristics.
          Weight (without shots) - 5,6 kg.
          The length in the stowed position is 520 mm.
          Length in combat position - 680 mm.
          The initial velocity of the VOG-25 grenade is 76 m / s.
          The combat rate of fire is 12-15 rpm.
          Resource - 2500-3000 shots.
          And then the "extra" 5,6 kg, not counting the weight of the grenades ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 20 January 2014 18: 23
            +1
            Quote: Marssik
            you don’t need to bring extra 4kg with you and firing at the approaching enemy during the store change will also be what ...

            VOG may still be excessive in power ... and even in Soviet times, the KS-23 was developed with a mass of 2,5 kg ...
            In the future, cartridges with a light-noise grenade, cartridges, cartridges with a tubular steel bullet for firing on wheels of cars, and the Barricade cartridge with a continuous pointed bullet intended to disable the engine and transmission of a car appeared. There is also a nozzle ОЦ-06 “Cat” for shooting a rope with a cat hook at a distance of 35 m and a height of 20 m.
            1. VADEL
              VADEL 20 January 2014 19: 18
              +3
              And also 2 more nozzles for firing tear grenades Ch-6 and Ch-1 (if memory serves).
              1. svp67
                svp67 20 January 2014 20: 44
                +1
                Sclerosis has not yet visited you ...
                1. Massik
                  Massik 20 January 2014 20: 53
                  0
                  VOG those shot for the grenade launcher gp 25, we had one fighter, he charged an inert gp in the building in the building, pierces two spruce boards.)))
  11. alex-cn
    alex-cn 20 January 2014 16: 01
    +2
    The U.S. Army has a long history of using shotguns. For the first time, they used them for trash fighting in the First World War, then in Vietnam to clean the dungeons (this is just what I remembered offhand), and is not going to abandon them. The American police consider them an effective anti-sniper weapon in the city. Modern ammunition allows the shotgun to almost completely block the tasks of the submachine gun plus a number of functions. Effective shooting up to 150 meters.
    But in this case - how much will it weigh, what will remain of the balance of arms? in the saiga variant this is a plus of more than 3 kg. How to deal with it?
  12. family tree
    family tree 20 January 2014 17: 05
    +3
    Better pictures, nothing like that, trench broom, if there are spare drums what
    1. Fofan
      Fofan 20 January 2014 17: 20
      +2
      og, only before use it is necessary to agree with the enemy so that they take off personal protective equipment. wink
      1. rereture
        rereture 20 January 2014 17: 44
        0
        Even if the enemy is wearing personal protective equipment, then the repulsed internal organs are guaranteed wink
        1. Fofan
          Fofan 20 January 2014 17: 49
          +2
          Quote: rereture
          Even if the enemy is wearing personal protective equipment, then the repulsed internal organs are guaranteed wink

          we no longer produce armor-piercing for AK? wink
          oh this satrap Putin
        2. alex-cn
          alex-cn 20 January 2014 18: 16
          0
          The ammunition of the CAWS system pierced the standard NATO body armor of the 80s with 7mm tungsten buckshot from a hundred meters.
          1. Fofan
            Fofan 20 January 2014 18: 22
            0
            Quote: alex-cn
            The ammunition of the CAWS system pierced the standard NATO body armor of the 80s with 7mm tungsten buckshot from a hundred meters.

            We remove automatic weapons from weapons and put shotguns in their place?
            1. family tree
              family tree 20 January 2014 18: 35
              +1
              Quote: Fofan
              We remove automatic weapons from weapons and put shotguns in their place?

              Then we wait when the enemy comes up a hundred meters and shoot him head off.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 20 January 2014 19: 11
                +1
                It doesn’t work out, our hunting expert held a competition who will kill a dog in 100 meters from a gun. The prize (like the dog) remained with him.
                1. alex-cn
                  alex-cn 20 January 2014 19: 51
                  0
                  How much did he drink before that?
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 20 January 2014 20: 10
                    +1
                    The point is that the shot charge at 100m is scattered to the full extrashem.
                    1. alex-cn
                      alex-cn 21 January 2014 04: 25
                      0
                      It seems that according to the description, he placed a meter per 100 m in a circle with a diameter
  13. Massik
    Massik 20 January 2014 17: 43
    +2
    Pancor Jackhammer still can not die, where is this multi-charge ??? Are you trying to shoot the enemy from close range by applying holes 5cm in diameter? Please numerous models of multi-shot shotguns at your service. The desire to knock doors ??? Wake up in Russia, there are no thin frames made of plastic and glass, it remains only for you to rejoice, as you will be stupid in almost every door if a war occurs.
  14. dr.star75
    dr.star75 20 January 2014 17: 44
    +2
    Karamultuk of course pontovy! As they say, a good show-off is more expensive than money. Where is it useful to apply it? On the front lines? Rifled is understandable, and the smooth barrel has a loud broads and a short striking distance, "will not reach". In urban battles? So before the PPSh coped, but now if the wall needs to be opened, then the RPG copes. Police operations? then why a rifled barrel? It turns out the gun was made, but how we will use it, so then we will decide. Yes, I almost forgot, but how does the smooth one recharge? as in a revolver of the "revolver2" system? an hour for a teaspoon?
    1. Fofan
      Fofan 20 January 2014 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: dr.star75
      Karamultuk of course pontovy! As they say, a good show-off is more expensive than money. Where is it useful to apply it? On the front lines? Rifled is understandable, and the smooth barrel has a loud broads and a short striking distance, "will not reach". In urban battles? So before the PPSh coped, but now if the wall needs to be opened, then the RPG copes. Police operations? then why a rifled barrel? It turns out the gun was made, but how we will use it, so then we will decide. Yes, I almost forgot, but how does the smooth one recharge? as in a revolver of the "revolver2" system? an hour for a teaspoon?
      you do not forget who makes these weapons and why.
      an American firm stamps and advertises them for purchase by police and civilians.
      and only our wise men, having seen enough of the bright wrappers of advertisements, sculpt these things under the trunks of Kalash.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 20 January 2014 18: 26
        +1
        Here I am talking about too. In addition to the Pentagon, is he still needed by someone?
    2. family tree
      family tree 20 January 2014 18: 26
      +2
      Quote: dr.star75
      Yes, I almost forgot, but how does the smooth one recharge? as in a revolver of the "revolver2" system? an hour for a teaspoon?

      The drum changes to curb.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 20 January 2014 19: 06
        +1
        So carry a drum with smooth cartridges? or someone will bring?
        1. family tree
          family tree 20 January 2014 22: 27
          +1
          Quote: dr.star75
          So carry a drum with smooth cartridges? or someone will bring?

          Well, yes, horns equipped for a machine gun, drums equipped for a shotgun, although if you prefer in bulk, both of them can be mixed up as well, just don’t tell anyone, otherwise they will call the orderlies winked
    3. ty60
      ty60 21 January 2014 00: 42
      0
      and what for such a button accordion?
  15. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 January 2014 18: 28
    -1
    In the forest, in the mountains, in urban conditions, an irreplaceable thing, the AK will not yield. And as for reloading, this is for the "specialists", they will cope, and the factory technicians will earn some money
  16. Fofan
    Fofan 20 January 2014 18: 35
    +3
    Quote: polkovnik manuch
    In the forest, in the mountains, in urban conditions, an irreplaceable thing, the AK will not yield. And as for reloading, this is for the "specialists", they will cope, and the factory technicians will earn some money

    in the forest, in the mountains and in urban conditions, you can shoot the fattest duck out of it!
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 20 January 2014 18: 43
      +2
      Provided that you dragged all this crap, + ammunition. "And now the first class pilot with all this crap is trying to take off!
  17. sawmill
    sawmill 20 January 2014 18: 44
    0
    It seems to me that the hybrid rifled and smooth barrel has fully proved its viability as a hunting weapon, at least even given the difficulty with licenses, such guns are also popular among hunters.
    You can get a bird and medium and large animals with one machine.
    In the spring on a duck with a shotgun, but two bullets with a bullet are always in a separate familiar pocket, and once again three times check how they lie, is it easy to get it. Bear he if that does not regret it.
    In a word, if normal laws, I would take a similar thing and would not take a steam bath. It would be better if ours, I think technically the construction is quite tough for our gunsmiths, and I think the reliability and price will be more acceptable for our trunks.
    Oh dreams, dreams .....
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 20 January 2014 18: 52
      +1
      Dreams, dreams ... Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side! You do not confuse the excursion with emigration! The hunters have a combination, the north is called, I want to buy it myself. One rifled barrel, the other smooth, in different designs, by the way is not expensive. But hunting is one thing, and WAR is another!
      1. sawmill
        sawmill 20 January 2014 20: 17
        0
        Well, thank you, straight eyes opened my eyes.
        And then for twenty years of hunting experience, I never found out about the existence of the north.

        Personally, for those places where I live, in my opinion it seems that the store rifled automatic rifle in caliber 7.62-54 in combination with a smooth barrel 12K, in the version of a hunter, provided of course the successful execution of such a duplex
        It would be useful. I would buy it with pleasure in addition to the existing units of hunting weapons.

        Excursions, emigrations, war, strategists, fights from the side, these are all beautiful and in my opinion meaningless phrases your use in the comments on my message is not clear to me.

        Good luck hunting with the north.
        1. Barakuda
          Barakuda 20 January 2014 20: 38
          0
          And if you wander, and here the bear is white, you only scratch his skull. Makar and Stechkin does not take, TT if ... Or a 3-ruler or an analogue of the cartridge .. I agree.
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 20 January 2014 21: 04
          0
          First, hello. Secondly, I did not understand what kind of rifle we have produced "a magazine rifle in caliber 7.62-54 in combination with a smooth barrel 12K, in the hunting version, subject to a successful
          1. sawmill
            sawmill 20 January 2014 21: 37
            0
            The fact of the matter is that it is not released, therefore I write that dreams, dreams ....
            Hello to you, too .
        3. ty60
          ty60 21 January 2014 00: 52
          0
          I hunt when at work. In the very north.
      2. ty60
        ty60 21 January 2014 00: 50
        0
        Not automatic. Earlier there was a squirrel-vrhny 5,6 lower 20 or 32 smooth.
    2. EvgenE46
      EvgenE46 20 January 2014 19: 27
      +1
      You own a smooth trunk for 5 years and get a license for a rifled barrel. Believe me, everything is quite simple. And there at least a double, at least a tee, at least just a fitting or AK semiautomatic device. And I’ll say one thing about Amer’s crap - crap. It is worth taking a look at what the practitioners are shooting, and immediately everything will become clear. I own Veprem-12. One minus in it is not a hunting weapon.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 20 January 2014 21: 32
        0
        I own SOK 95
    3. ty60
      ty60 21 January 2014 00: 48
      0
      Tees were produced in Russia, two shotguns with one bullet. For hunting. Bears now roam in the north only. I don’t need this kind of iron.
  18. Krilion
    Krilion 20 January 2014 18: 55
    +2
    apparently it only seemed to me strange to install optics on a shotgun .... =)
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 20 January 2014 19: 02
      +1
      Do not worry, this option is only available for people with higher than average intelligence.
    2. EvgenE46
      EvgenE46 20 January 2014 19: 30
      0
      This is not optics, but a collimator. With such a stray from 50 meters you can put a bullet in the top ten ..
  19. mivmim
    mivmim 20 January 2014 19: 08
    +2
    And on the left to fix a sniper, and on the right to add a little thing, shoot at rats, well, not the twelfth.))))))))))))))))))))))
  20. uzer 13
    uzer 13 20 January 2014 19: 12
    +1
    It’s stupid to put on a machine a heavy useless thing, cartridges for which you will not find anywhere even in peacetime. To knock out locks you can make a cartridge with a heavy or explosive bullet, which will really be useful. But such a situation may arise, the warrior dragged on, hungry soldiers fight with the enemy, and a hare runs past them. This is where the shotgun comes in handy.
    1. clidon
      clidon 20 January 2014 19: 27
      -1
      Is carrying a separate shotgun much smarter with you?
  21. kelevra
    kelevra 20 January 2014 19: 35
    +1
    In our civilian hunting weapons, such shotgun revolvers have been around for a long time!
  22. Nayhas
    Nayhas 20 January 2014 19: 52
    0
    It seems to me that the left hand will cling to the drum when it is rotated ...
  23. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 January 2014 20: 06
    +1
    Yeah ... And why in Las Vegas, Russian developments are not allowed 10 years ago, which are cheaper and in almost all respects better? (question to myself). Chinese, Poles, checks, etc. Kalash clone, but it doesn’t work out properly .. metal and people are not the same.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 20 January 2014 20: 21
      +1
      And for what purpose are you interested in? For the purpose of self-defense? take Kalash and cartridges, and not sts, The dagger is useful to those who have it, and bad for the one who it will not be at the right time
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 20 January 2014 20: 28
        0
        You are still young to argue like this, I have one chopped on my body and 2 bullets, and a bullet (nothing to boast of), I know what I'm talking about. It somehow worked out with my bare hands ... Now I train the youth ...
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 20 January 2014 20: 54
          0
          I bow to your merits, but I would like, as it were, on the topic.
  24. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 January 2014 20: 11
    +2
    Quote: EvgenE46
    This is not optics, but a collimator. With such a stray from 50 meters you can put a bullet in the top ten ..

    If this is a shotgun, then why the hell is there a bullet.? Yes, and from 50 meters, nonsense. Kalash in hand and forward, it will be more reliable. With a 50-meter calimator, while you snuggle up to it and fill up with you, offhand from such a distance .. When you allied in obvejevskih schools taught this.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 20 January 2014 21: 18
      0
      Again we take the logic, with whom will we fight?
    2. EvgenE46
      EvgenE46 20 January 2014 22: 20
      0
      Well, this is not optics to attach to it. If he didn’t shoot himself, it’s hard to explain. Better take a look at practical shooting open class. And our specialists are all with holographs.
  25. Chever
    Chever 20 January 2014 21: 53
    0
    And what do they dislike about the M28 MASS?
    1. Fofan
      Fofan 20 January 2014 23: 41
      0
      Quote: Chever
      And what do they dislike about the M28 MASS?

      Duc if another company produces?
  26. bashkort
    bashkort 21 January 2014 05: 03
    +2
    Shotgun - in case the ducks will fly nearby)))
  27. Cbl4
    Cbl4 15 October 2017 18: 03
    0
    He will not go on sale with us, according to the law does not pass.