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The war in Chechnya. 1925 year

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From the author. Как ни одно политическое действие нельзя рассматривать в отрыве от окружающей политической и экономической обстановки, так и нельзя его рассматривать вне historical рамок. Чтобы понять смысл и суть действий того или иного государства, государственного, политического деятеля, чтобы иметь возможность правильно оценить происходящие события необходимо хотя бы вкратце проследить все предшествующие события, имеющие отношение к данному историческому факту. Это во-первых. А во-вторых, нельзя оценивать события, происходившие в прошлом (пусть и не далеком), исходя из современных критериев, современной морали, современных законодательных актов. Иначе вся история всего человечества будет представать перед нами как сплошная цепь кровавых преступлений всех и вся. Причем, преступлений жутких и бессмысленных.

In politics, nothing is accomplished under the influence of momentary moods, humanism, or anti-humanism of this or that ruler, although outwardly sometimes it looks that way. In reality, any ruler is the spokesman and implementer of the interests of certain social or ethnic groups. The power of any statesman is in complete and absolute dependence on the opinions and aspirations of those social, ethnic groups whose interests he defends. As soon as his actions diverge from the ideas of those who entrusted him to the throne, his power ends and he rolls down with a crash, be it a king, dictator, president, secretary general, leader, or chairman.

Namely, these postulates are trying to keep out of the framework of their stories, articles, those journalists who are faced with the task of glorifying or vice versa to debunk this or that social system, this or that country, statesman.

The author, in particular, has in mind the events of February 1944 of the year in the North Caucasus, namely the deportation of Chechens and a number of other ethnic groups. The events of those days are presented in complete isolation from the political situation of the time, from the history of inter-ethnic conflict. In such coverage, the deportation of Chechens appears as a consequence of the evil will of either one person - I.Stalin, or as a completely meaningless, unjustified crime of political extremists - Bolsheviks.

The purpose of such articles is to stir up anti-Russian sentiments, to endeavor to present the history of Russia of the 1917-91 period in a negative way and to prove that Russia was and remains an "evil empire", that this state has no place on the planet, and Russians as a nation should quietly and quietly lime.

Meanwhile, the conflict between Russia and a number of Caucasian nationalities has a very long history. The causes of the conflict are rooted in antiquity and this centuries-old enmity has been and is an ordinary struggle of countries and peoples for their place in the sun. Of such conflicts, wars and consists of the whole history of mankind. So the events of the 44 winter in the Caucasus are only one of many pages in world history.

The author of two articles ("Chechnya 1920-41goddy" and "Chechnya 1941-44 years") is trying to dispel a little bit of the silence of history, enveloping the conflict of Russians and Caucasians. As far as it was possible - to judge the reader.

foreword

The history of the Russian-Chechen confrontation dates back to the end of the XVII - beginning of the XVIII century, when Russia waged numerous long and persistent wars with Turkey, Persia, and the Crimean Khan. These countries were constantly disturbed and attacked the Russian lands, drawing new slaves, food and other material resources from them.

The Caucasus range was a natural barrier between Russia and Turkey, Persia. Naturally, the possession of the Caucasus region gave one or another side a clear and significant advantage.
For Persia and Turkey, the possession of the Caucasus provided an opportunity to seize the fertile lands of the south of Russia, opened the shortest way to the capitals, and made it possible to exert political and military pressure on Russia.
For Russia, possession of the Caucasus provided protection of the southern borders, elimination of the danger of a new loss of the Azov and Black Seas, the Crimea, inclusion in agricultural turnover and commodity circulation of rich southern lands (Novorossia), which, although they belonged to Russia, could not be used.

The peoples of the Caucasus, depending on their ethnic and religious affiliation, tended in part to Russia, partly to Persia and Turkey. However, the expansionist policies of Persia and Turkey, accompanied by partial or complete genocide of the Caucasian peoples on the one hand and Russia's tolerance, its non-interference in the internal life of the peoples on the other side increasingly pushed the Caucasian states first towards an alliance with Russia. and then to the entry into the Russian Empire (Georgia, Armenia, Ossetia).

These processes disturbed Russia's neighbors and forced them to step up actions to seize the Caucasus, relying on ethnic groups professing Islam (Dagestanis, Chechens, Circassians, etc.).

Since the beginning of the 18th century, Russia has stepped up its actions to master the Caucasus, which could not but affect the anti-Russian actions of the mountain peoples. One of the documented facts of the attack on Russian troops is the attack of the Chechens in 1732 on the Russian battalion, which made the transition from Dagestan to the Stavropol region and its complete destruction.

The 1785-1791 years are characterized by the active actions of Chechen detachments under the leadership of the leader of one of the Chechen teips Ushurma against Russian tillers who had mastered the areas of the present Stavropol region. The whole territory is empty.

After the wars with Napoleon, the Russian Tsar, concerned about the sharply increased influence of Iran and Turkey on the Caucasus and the scale of mountain banditry in southern Russia (constant robberies, looting, massive hijacking of livestock, slave trade, attacks on military garrisons) in the year 1817 began a series of Caucasian wars that lasted up to 1864 of the year.

The greatest scale of these wars is from 1834, when Imam Shamil became the head of the rebel highlanders.

In all, from 1801 to 1864, Russia in the Caucasian wars lost an 801 officer and 24143 soldier who was killed, an 3 154 officer and an 61971 soldier who were killed by 91 killed. 5915 officer and 200 soldiers were taken prisoner. The troop group of the Russian army in the Caucasus in some periods reached XNUMX thousand people.

With the capture of Shamil, the destruction of a number of rebellious imams, as well as with the transition, under Field Marshal Paskevich, to the "scorched earth" tactics, when the rebel villages were completely destroyed and the population was completely destroyed, the organized resistance of the highlanders was suppressed.

However, until the revolution and the beginning of the civil war in Chechnya, numerous small gangs and separate bandits ("abreks") continued to exist. The tsarist government was able to maintain relative calm in Chechnya and Dagestan due to actual non-interference in the internal life of the highlanders, bribing the tribal nobility, free distribution of flour, fabrics, leather, clothing to the poor highlanders; the appointment of officials of local authoritative elders, leaders of teips and tribes. The garrisons of the Russian army, the Cossack villages, were located mainly along the Terek River, thus separating Chechnya from the rest of Russia.

During the period of revolution and civil war, Chechnya was left to itself. It is known that, due to the famine, the population fell by almost a third, the rest of the population survived due to raids on the Cossack villages north of Terek, Stavropol Territory, Georgia. Attempts to attract the Highlanders to participate in the civil war on the side of the Reds or Whites ended without success. Chechens and Dagestanis hated both.

As the civil war collapsed, the new government tried to establish itself in the mountains of the Caucasus. However, with the formation of the Mountain ASSR as part of the RSFSR, the struggle of the mountainous tribal nobility for the preservation of their power and privileges began to appear clearly. This struggle immediately takes the form of armed struggle under the slogans of national independence, the protection of Islam and autonomy.

Chechnya in the twenties and thirties

In September, 1920, Nazhmutdin Gotsinsky and the grandson of Imam Shamil Said-Bey, started a mutiny in the mountainous regions of Chechnya and the northern part of Dagestan. The few Red Army units are very quickly destroyed, and the local population is exterminated from among the Russians. By November 1920, Said Bey's forces already have 2800 foot fighters and 600 cavalrymen with twenty machine guns and four guns. At the same time, the appearance of Turkish and English instructors in the insurgent detachments was noted.

The war in Chechnya. 1925 yearThe Soviet command sent the regiment 14 of the rifle division of the Red Army and the Model Revolutionary Discipline regiment to suppress the rebellion. A total of about 8 thousand infantry, 1 thousand cavalry with 40 machine guns and 18 guns. The Red Army divisions, which were advancing in several directions at once, were immediately blocked, stopped and suffered heavy losses. In one battle, 14 fighters were killed in the village of Moksokh for an hour, and in the village of Khadzhal-Mahi, the Red Army soldiers lost 98 people killed and wounded.
Exemplary Rev.Discipline regiment 9 December made from Vedeno and weekly fought his way to Botlikh. The battalion of this regiment, speaking in the direction of the Andean Koisu 20 December 1920. in Orata-Kolo was completely destroyed. December 24 Chechens surrounded the main forces of the regiment in Botlikh. During the talks, an agreement was reached that the regiment would freely leave for Vedeno, leaving Botlikh weapon. But as soon as the unarmed column emerged from Botlikh, it was attacked and completely cut out with daggers and swords (more than 700 people). The rebels got 645 rifles and 9 machine guns. During December, parts of the Red Army in Chechen lost 1372 people killed.

The defeat of the Red Army inspired the Chechens. By the beginning of 1921, the mountaineer's forces already counted 7200 foot fighters, 2490 equestrian with 40 machine guns and 12 guns. The frequency of raids on areas of Stavropol, Georgia has increased dramatically. The insurgents burned Cossack villages north of the Terek, cutting out the local population, stealing cattle and exporting grain.
However, there was no other livelihood in Chechnya. There is no arable land in mountainous Chechnya, pastures allow only a very limited number of sheep to graze, mountainous areas and climate do not allow keeping cattle and poultry, there are no gardens and vineyards.

Assessing the scale of the catastrophe that threatens the republic, the Soviet command creates the Terek-Dagestan Group of Forces consisting of 14, 32, 33 rifle divisions, 18 cavalry division, a separate Moscow brigade of cadets, two armored squads and reconnaissance air detachment. Total 20 infantry, 3400 cavalry with 67 guns, 8 armored vehicles and 6 aircraft.

In early January, 1921. 32 units of the division attacked the Chechens and captured the aul of Khadzhal-Mahi, destroying the militants around 100 and taking 140 prisoner. Division losses were 24 people killed and 71 injured. However, as soon as units of the division were involved in the mountains, they immediately lost about 290 people in a fleeting battle.

An attempt by the 32 division to resume the January 22 offensive failed due to severe weather conditions. In one day, 12 people were killed, 10 people were frozen to death, 49 injured and more than 150 people. frostbitten.

February 19 during the pursuit of the departing detachment of the rebels division battalion, stopping for the night in the village of Ruguja was cut out by local residents of Dagestanis (about 125 people).

Total for January-February 1921. 32 division lost 1387 people. (650 killed, 10 frozen, 468 injured, 259 frostbitten).

More successful were the actions of the 14 division. Consistently occupying auls and ousting the rebels from them with the simultaneous deportation of the remaining residents of the division by the end of March 1921. fully mastered all the fortresses and the majority of large villages. Said Bey's units suffered heavy losses (mostly due to desertion resulting from unsuccessful actions against the Red Army). Under the command of the leaders, no more than 1000 people were left with 4 machine guns. They went into remote mountains upstream of Aivar Koysu.

The last pockets of resistance due to the use of extremely tough measures (hostage taking, execution of elders, destruction of villages, destruction of communication lines) by October 1921 were able to extinguish. Total Red Army in the battles 1920-21 lost killed about 3500 people, wounded around 1500 people. The rebel leader, Said Bey, returned to Turkey, greatly improving his financial situation (he later went to England). Nazhmutdin Gotsinsky for several years was hiding in the mountains, engaged in abduction of cattle with a group of abreks. He will be arrested only in September 1925.

The inept policy of the Soviet government, based on the ideas of national self-determination divorced from life, combined with real measures of leveling national characteristics, as well as the inability of the authorities to provide the mountaineers with livelihoods in combination with tough measures to curb Gorsky robbery (robbery, cattle thefts, removal of slaves) led to discontent of the population of Chechnya and the mountainous regions of Dagestan.

Already in 1923, Sheikh Ali-Mitayev proclaims jihad against infidels for the creation of an independent Sharia republic. In a short time, under his banner, he collects more than 12 thousand murids. At a rapid pace throughout Chechnya and Ingushetia, the destruction of the organs of Soviet power is under way, and the remaining power structures become the structures of Ali-Mitayev. Ali-Mitayev’s timely and wise policy, which filled the police and GPU bodies with his own people, led to the fact that the police and GPU departments in Chechnya were centers for gathering murids, sources of weapons and ammunition, and trained personnel. The Russian employees of these bodies were quickly destroyed or discredited at the right time, accused of having links with bandits.

However, the rebellion is carried out by rather secretive methods, and only by the spring of 1924 of the year does it manifest itself openly in the form of boycotting elections, accompanied by pogroms of polling stations. The authorities of the country's hcp use their own division to carry out a number of operations to suppress the open speeches of Chechens and Ingushs, during which they succeed in removing 2900 rifles (partially foreign samples and English-made), 384 revolvers, a large amount of ammunition, 22 field phones, 3 switch and about 15 km . English telephone cable production.

However, instead of umirovtoreniya this action has caused an open armed uprising in August 1925 years in Chechnya sent under the command of the commander of the North Caucasus Military District I.Uborevicha troop grouping 4480 total number of infantry, cavalry at 2017 137 102 easel and light machine guns, and mountain 14 10 light guns. In addition, an armored train, 16 aircraft, 341 people were involved in the operation. from the Caucasian Red Banner Army (Mountain nationalities) and 307 people from the GPU.

The operation to disarm the local population continued from August 22 to September 13 on 1925. 25299 rifles, 4319 revolvers, 1 machine gun, 730556 rifle cartridges, 10678 revolver cartridges, wireless telegraph, several telephone sets were seized, and around 120 km. Of telephone lines were found and destroyed. Arrested 309, have provided armed resistance to the Murids. Of these, 11 executives, including N. Gotsinsky.

From among the detainees, the 105 people were shot to death, the rest were released under an oath on the Quran.

The troop group lost killed 5 people, wounded 8. Of the civilians killed (both sides) 6 people. and injured 30.

The success of the operation and the loss of most of the weapons by murids ensured relative calm in Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia up to the 1929 year. However, all this time the tribal nobility, with the support of Turkey, led anti-Soviet propaganda, accumulated weapons, trained militants in Turkey and England. Not less than 20 Chechens and Dagestanis were trained in officer schools in England and France.

In the 1929 year, taking advantage of the gross mistakes of the Soviet authorities, who were trying to hold grain procurements in the plains of Dagestan and Ingushetia, the heads of a number of Chechen and Ingush teips openly called for the breakdown of grain procurements, defeated a number of dump points, took out the collected grams and put out thematum of thematum and put them out of their way to put them up. from the Mountain ASSR, armed detachments of grain procurers, to cancel the tax in kind, to replace the elected bodies of Soviet power by the elders of the Chechen tapes.

By order of the commander of the North Caucasian Military District, the operational group of troops and units of the OGPU in December 8-28 conducted a military operation in the course of which armed gangs were destroyed in Goyty, Shali, Sambi, Benoy, Contor and several others. At the same time, 1929 murids were killed, 26 arrested. The troop group lost 296 killed, 11 dead from wounds, wounded 7 people.

However, the leaders of the armed resistance of the Highlanders took into account their mistakes 1925 year. Red Army soldiers managed to remove only 25 rifles, and then, mostly from those killed. All the leaders of the Chechen and Ingush groups managed to escape and moreover, retain their management structure and influence over the local population.

Therefore, in March 1930 of the year, the North Caucasus Regional Committee of the CPSU (B.) Decided to carry out a military-censorial operation to curb mountain political banditry. A military volunteer group consisting of 4 infantry, 3 cavalry, 2 guerrilla (read special forces, in modern language) detachments from among the representatives of the Caucasian nationalities (mainly Ossetians, Georgians, Armenians, partly Azerbaijanis, by the People’s Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs, are created by order of the People's Commissariat of Military Affairs and Maritime Affairs.) Dagestanis) suffered greatly from robberies and robberies, terror from the Chechens and Ingush. These detachments were reinforced by two personnel rifle battalions of the Red Army and the air line (3 aircraft), a sapper company and a communications company. Total group consisted of 3700 people., 19 guns and 28 machine guns ..

Good knowledge of the terrain and mountain conditions, the desire of the Ossetians, Georgians, Armenians and others loyal to the Soviet power to get rid of the mountain terror predetermined the success of the operation, which lasted from March 14 to April 12. 19 gangsters were killed, 122 active participants in gangster raids on peaceful villages of neighboring republics, including 9 senior insurgent leaders, were arrested. 1500 firearms (of which Li-Enfield British rifles with optical sights of 127-1926 production), 28 cold weapons were seized. Ordinary gang members after the oath on the Koran and disarmament were sent home. Troop group lost killed 280 people. and wounded 14 people.

However, the inflexible, crude policy of the Soviet government to collectivize agriculture in Chechnya and Ingushetia, which, due to local conditions, is extremely difficult, if not impossible, led to extreme bitterness of the population. At the beginning of 1932, a large-scale uprising broke out, in which not only Chechens, Ingushs and Dagestanis of mountainous regions took part, but also a significant part of the Russian population of nadterechny Cossack villages.

All disguise has been dropped. In auls, co-operatives, aul councils smashed, destroyed Soviet money. Gangs of 500-800 people attacked and besieged most of the military garrisons. The fights were distinguished by unprecedented bitterness, religious fanaticism, participation in the attacks of unarmed women and children. It should be noted the high degree of organization and control of the rebellion.

However, the NKVD and military units were in full readiness to repel armed attacks. Despite the huge losses. The rebels did not succeed in crushing any garrison, and the NKVD regional department staff managed to hide in garrisons in time for their families. Troops operational in the period 15-20 March 1932g. they managed to divide and isolate the gangster groups, block them in remote mountainous areas, which turned from places of reliable shelter into the Murids' traps and consistently destroyed them. The rebels lost a dead 333 man, 150 wounded. The Red Army and the NKVD lost 27 killed and wounded 30.

The ensuing arrests of the leaders of the rebellion, participants of past armed uprisings, harsh court sentences, deportation of entire villages outside the North Caucasus, population got tired of years of war, disappointment of the mountaineers in the possibility of eliminating the Soviet power by armed means led to a sharp decrease in the activity of armed confrontation.

However, the very active and bloody, although local (within one or three areas) insurrections continued until the 1936 year, and in the mountainous areas until the 1938 year. Individual gangs of up to 100 people continued to alarm Chechnya until the very beginning of World War II.

In total, 1920 to 1941 of the year alone in the territory of Chechnya and Ingushetia occurred 12 of major armed uprisings (involving from 500 to 5 thousands of militants) and more than 50 less significant. The military units of the Red Army and the NKVD from 1920 to 1939 years lost killed 3564 and wounded 1589 people.

In 1941, from 1 in January to 22 in June, 31 insurgent insurgent manifestations were registered, and from 22 in June to 3 in September, over 40.

Afterword

Then there was war. Gangs only of the “Special Party of Caucasian Brothers” and only in 20 auls of Chechnya numbered 1943 by February more than 6540 people, and other armed groups registered around 240 (numbering from 2-3). Is it possible to consider completely unfounded resolution of the GKO USSR № 15 from 20 January 5073g. about the liquidation of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and the deportation of Chechens, Ingush, Karachai, Balkarians from their places of permanent residence?

What is the political regime, which state will be tolerant towards people who are massively disloyal to the authorities? Leading against him an armed struggle in the period for the state of the most difficult and dangerous war with an external enemy? Where, when and which state did not lead a stubborn struggle against the separatists, did they not use armed force against them?

So the USSR, the Bolsheviks, Stalin is no better and no worse than all other states, political regimes, including those that boast their democracy and the strictest observance of the rights of peoples and people (USA - Grenada, Panama, Lebanon, Vietnam), (United Kingdom - India, Northern Ireland), (France-Indokity, Algeria), .... Continue?

In total, between February and March 1944, Chechens and Ingushs 496460 people, Karachai 68327, Balkarians 37406 people were deported.

The Chechen question did not exist from February 1944 to January 1957, when the USSR Supreme Soviet issued a resolution restoring the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and allowed the repressed peoples to return to their historic homeland.

The flywheel of bloody hostility began to spin again. So far, the author has no information about events in the North Caucasus during the 1957-91 period, about how much and how much blood was shed there. But the fact that it flowed, there is no doubt. So which Soviet decree was wiser than 44 or 57 of the year? Has it become better for ordinary people to live in Dudayev Chechnya in 91-94, 96-99?

Sources and literature:

1. I.Ye.Dunyushkin. The ideological and military aspect of the struggle against the Vainakh national-clerical separatism in the North Caucasus in 1941. Presentation at the December 9 Scientific Conference 2001. Collection of reports "Peace and War: 1941 year." Humanities University Press. Yekaterinburg. 2001
2.SG.Volkonsky. Notes. Irkutsk. East Siberian Book Publishing. 1991g.
3.G.F. Krivosheev and others. Russia and the USSR in the wars of the XX century. OLMA PRESS. Moscow. 2001
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    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 5 October 2013 13: 54 New
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      The word given to kyafir is invalid, why be surprised.
      1. max73
        max73 5 October 2013 16: 00 New
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        do not be surprised .... it is necessary in response by any means to wet, humiliate, spread rot of these freaks
        1. waisson
          waisson 5 October 2013 19: 17 New
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          I agree with YOU fully said for sure good
      2. duke
        duke 5 October 2013 19: 38 New
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        I am surprised that our "wise" leaders hope for conciliation through the swelling of billions of people there, nothing has changed and will not change. Every day they blow up, kill and will kill, a cool "tourist cluster", where only "special forces" can be sent to "tourist trips", and they buy land for federal money in the Stavropol Territory. Maybe there is something to buy Russian? Nominally it can, but in fact there will be no money, no home, no land, and maybe life itself. By the way, why are they bashfully silent about what happened to almost half a million so-called. Russian-speaking (what did you come up with this expression?) And as to deceive the stupid giaur, it’s a special “valor” and this audience does not recognize any equality by definition - to demand for you, yes, but for you, excuse me, not on Tuesday and not this week. Here is such a curious "friendship" of peoples.
        1. azkolt
          azkolt 5 October 2013 21: 15 New
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          Good girl! Let’s immediately separate the Caucasus, then Primorye, the Volga region, Siberia, the Kaliningrad region ... where do you live there? The line will reach you too.
  2. smersh70
    smersh70 5 October 2013 09: 29 New
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    yeah .... The North Caucasus will be seething for a long time .... there is nowhere to get away from it ...... local traditions ...... winked
    1. Ramadan
      Ramadan 5 October 2013 16: 10 New
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      If you don’t get anywhere, then they will be deported every 50 years, and then amnesty ... An endless story.
      And I also think that because of its temperament, the Caucasus is prone to self-destruction. The genes of the war lie in the genes, no matter with whom and against whom.
      1. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 6 October 2013 20: 07 New
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        Yes, it’s not in the genes ... It is driven into the head by the Islamists and urapatriots of the “free Caucasus”.
  3. bomg.77
    bomg.77 5 October 2013 09: 32 New
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    when Islam entered the Caucasus, then the confrontation with Russia began. I don’t know the truth or not, but they say that when Imam Shamil saw the territory of the Russian Empire on the globe he said, “if I knew that Russia was so big, I would never start with I’m not fighting for literacy, but the meaning is this. Living in Kaluga, God Save the Tsar played on his watch every morning!
    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 13: 52 New
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      bomg.77
      You can add, he really said it, but not looking at the globe, and when he got to St. Petersburg and was received by the emperor, he just looked at how much he had to go ....
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 5 October 2013 20: 36 New
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        Quote: smile
        bomg.77
        You can add, he really said it, but not looking at the globe, and when he got to St. Petersburg and was received by the emperor, he just looked at how much he had to go ....
        Most likely it was as you say hi
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 5 October 2013 21: 45 New
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          bomg.77 "-" mine. Overshot. To the fellow.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 5 October 2013 22: 24 New
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            Quote: chehywed
            bomg.77 "-" mine. Overshot. To the fellow.
            Thank you anyway! Another "-" will be a plus laughing Everything is normal not fatal. hi
            1. chehywed
              chehywed 5 October 2013 23: 08 New
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              Quote: bomg.77
              Another "-" will be a plus

              Thanks for the tip !!! laughing
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 6 October 2013 19: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: chehywed
                Quote: bomg.77
                Another "-" will be a plus

                Thanks for the tip !!! laughing
                Only without fanaticism !! stopThis is not a guide to action. laughing
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 6 October 2013 13: 22 New
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        Quote: smile
        You can add, he really said it, but not looking at the globe, and when he got to St. Petersburg and was received by the emperor, he just looked at how much he had to go ....

        And if you allow another addition hi :
        For his time and environment, Imam Shamil was a rather educated and not stupid individual.
        But even representing (in theory) the scale of the Russian State, he was struck by the REAL MAJORITY of the vastness ...
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 6 October 2013 13: 39 New
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          Quote: Corsair
          And if you allow another addition

          Who are these "murids" mentioned in the article?
          TSB did not give an answer, but BSE gave this definition:

          Murid (Arabic: مريد) - student, follower (the Arabic word "murid" comes from the same root as the word "will"

          And further:

          Taliban (Arabic. طالبان - novices - students of Islamic religious schools - madrassas.

          As you can see, some have not gone far from others ...
        2. bomg.77
          bomg.77 6 October 2013 19: 38 New
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          Quote: Corsair
          For his time and environment, Imam Shamil was a rather educated and not stupid individual.
          But even representing (in theory) the scale of the Russian State, he was struck by the REAL MAJORITY of the vastness
          Even educated Germans admitted that the Russian expanses hit and oppressed them, despite the fact that they were not using horse-drawn vehicles in 41.hi
  4. ddmm09
    ddmm09 5 October 2013 09: 49 New
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    I can not agree with a number of conclusions and examples cited by the author. For instance,...
    So the USSR, the Bolsheviks, Stalin is no better and no worse than all other states, political regimes, including those that boast their democracy and the strictest observance of the rights of peoples and people (USA - Grenada, Panama, Lebanon, Vietnam), (United Kingdom - India, Northern Ireland), (France-Indokity, Algeria), .... Continue?

    The comparison is incorrect at the root. External aggression, for example, the United States against Vietnam, and the methods of warfare, were completely different in meaning and purpose. The history of relations between Russia and the peoples of the Caucasus had a different essence. The territory of some North Caucasian republics was to some extent of strategic importance, since there was a confrontation, primarily with the Ottoman Empire, then with Turkey and their allies. And also, to some extent, there was a confrontation with Persia. In my opinion, the author messed up the priorities a bit. In any case, you need to control your borders and border territories, there is no other option. Our "friends" have never stopped pressure on Russia, so you can’t expect any meanness from them.
    An important aspect is the decline in morality of part of the peoples of Russia, in particular, Russian. This is our biggest flaw, unfortunately. You can not be conducted on other people's promises and exhortations. The decline in morality, the loss of respect for the older generation, has a detrimental effect on our entire society.
    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 13: 58 New
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      ddmm09
      I agree, if the Mexicans behaved like Chechens, they would be destroyed to the last man, like the Indians.
      And yet, even under Paskevich, who actually applied scorched earth tactics in response to the same actions of the highlanders, the mountaineers always blocked the auls in the villages were given the right of unhindered and safe access for all children. women and peaceful. I repeat, the right has always been granted. And they extremely rarely did not use this right. so that it’s not worth talking about general extermination ....
      A great article, thanks.
      1. KCC
        KCC 5 October 2013 19: 18 New
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        They were given the right to extort, and our villages were cut out completely and they did not take prisoners from us; this is evidenced by the ratio of the wounded and the dead. That’s the whole difference between us and them.
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      4. Victor Alekseev
        Victor Alekseev 5 October 2013 19: 24 New
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        But what to cut the problem? can shoot! RUSSIAN PEOPLE will never go down to genocide; I am not a nationalist. but for my family I’ll cut the throat of anesthesia bases for anyone!
  5. ed65b
    ed65b 5 October 2013 09: 57 New
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    Traditions? There are 2 options or to scatter the whole people across the territory of Russia by one family to us, a point without the right to leave the territory of the region. "Destruction" of the republics as a geographical fact and transfer of land to neighboring regions and territories. And they are rapidly moving towards this.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 5 October 2013 10: 10 New
      +7
      Quote: ed65b
      2 options or to scatter all the people across the territory of Russia one family at a point in us without the right to leave the territory of the region. "Destruction" of the republics


      Edward, good morning !!! you had a good mood on weekends ... what happened again ... laughing
    2. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 14: 19 New
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      ed65b
      Who will be cut? Only Chechens or Ali still whom? If only the Chechens are just a little over a million people, what nonsense-a network of camps, like the Auschwitz (Auschwitz) complex, can cope with in a couple of years ... and if it’s steel ones, it’s more difficult - another three or four million will have to be put under a knife ... and why trifle - let’s then cut all the non-Slavs to hell — there are only forty million of them, but how much you can breathe freely in the renewed Arcanar! Truth?
      There is only one hassle: we don’t get Natsik on the staff of Auschwitz all over the country ... well, we have few cannibals, what can you do ... There is an eternal question - where to get so many cannibals to realize such cannibalistic plans?
      Yes, and what expenses — imagine — building death camps, separately for women and children, communications, transport routes, including railroads, crematoria, infrastructure — towns for cannibals, their children and women, kindergarten shops ... or you have to kill them on the spot- where did he see there and killed? And what, it’s so cheaper ... damn it, again, hassle-corpses will spoil their ecology .... Byad it turns out, right? What do you think?
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 5 October 2013 15: 27 New
        +7
        Either we them or they us. There is no third.
        1. smile
          smile 5 October 2013 16: 23 New
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          Kibalchish
          Who is not given? Where not given Where do they serve you? Do you personally go to slaughter children and women? How many will you kill while you consider that you have fulfilled your civic duty? Do you have enough blood? Maybe the vampire has bitten you, so it doesn’t fit in your head for more than two options and you constantly want blood?
          Forgive me, but the love of such loud slogans is peculiar only to provocateurs or fools.
          Understand, neither we them nor they will not destroy us. We don't care living here. Next to them. Radicalism - crush in the bud and kick their elite. But the Russian people simply will not be able to get to the genocide. We are not Nazis and not Anglo-Saxons .... and not Chechens.
          1. hommer
            hommer 5 October 2013 17: 32 New
            +8
            Quote: smile
            But the Russian people simply will not be able to get to the genocide. We are not Nazis and not Anglo-Saxons .... and not Chechens.


            The deepest respect is your position in life. If in Russia there are people like you, do not hesitate, you will have allies, in addition to the army and navy.
            1. smile
              smile 5 October 2013 17: 54 New
              +7
              hommer
              Thank. But you may not always like my position in life .... :))) You know, sometimes I argue with some nationalists ... forgive me, and with some Kazakhs. :))) But I perceive the Natsik Russians not just as enemies, but as traitors. And for us, for Russia they are much more dangerous than any obvious enemy.
              1. hommer
                hommer 5 October 2013 18: 44 New
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                Quote: smile
                you may not always like my position in life .... :)))

                This is absolutely normal. Situations are different.

                Quote: smile
                You know, sometimes I argue with some nationalists ... excuse me, and with some Kazakhs. :)))

                With some Kazakhs and I swear laughing
                Quote: smile
                But I perceive the Natsik Russians not just as enemies, but as traitors. And for us, for Russia they are much more dangerous than any obvious enemy.

                Absolutely applicable to our Natsik. But where is the line between the Nazis and rational patriotism? After all, in their pure form, Natsiks are rare, you can easily slap the stigma of the fascists easily and not everything that Natsik utter is really crazy. I don’t know for whom, for me, the criteria of nationalism are clearly set out in the film “Ordinary Fascism”, I hope you remember it.
                1. smile
                  smile 5 October 2013 19: 05 New
                  +3
                  hommer
                  Yes, I agree ... :))) And now thank you.
            2. Yura
              Yura 5 October 2013 19: 55 New
              +3
              Quote: hommer
              If in Russia people like you are most

              Most, you can’t even discuss this, they don’t like to tear their shirt on all corners because of this, because they are just normal people. But sometimes you have to talk about it. ................... And .... smile you my respect.
          2. Yegorchik
            Yegorchik 5 October 2013 17: 55 New
            +9
            Do you personally go to slaughter children and women?
            And what is the problem, they cut our women and children as soon as possible, and we always forgive ourselves from holy innocence forgive time after time. How many there were about one hundred thousand people who killed Russian civilians in 91-93, how many women and children seventy thousand, and we will forget again, forgive them again, for example, I don’t want to, there will be good from the Russian people, I will cut evil spirits.
            1. smile
              smile 5 October 2013 19: 12 New
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              Yegorchik
              1. Not always and not all.
              2. We destroyed Nazism .... We destroyed the Germans? Are we just like them? Do you offer to become the same? That is, if some kind of TV ... kills a Russian in a neighboring city, will you approach a neighboring Vainakh child with a knife? Yes, even if not a child. Can you imagine the situation?
              3. You forgot the year 94, the worst year for the non-Chechen population of Ichkeria.
              1. Suvorov000
                Suvorov000 7 October 2013 12: 27 New
                0
                Tell all this nonsense to your children when, after the first Chechnya, they were fenced off from Russia, they "healed" so well that the whole Caucasus howled, sit at home, there’s no oil from which they trampled to Dagestan, what kind of kidnaping was put into the stream, you don’t have to talk about their peacefulness, you just have to like Genghis Khan under the “coinage” and that’s all. And about the Germans, in order to defeat them, we became even meaner, even more violent and ruthless, so there is no need to tell fairy tales here
            2. alone
              alone 5 October 2013 21: 12 New
              +1
              fighting those who kill women and children with their methods, you can easily turn into them !! stop
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          4. alicante11
            alicante11 6 October 2013 07: 54 New
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            We don't care living here. Next to them.


            Well, the Americans solved this issue with the Indians. So there may be a final solution to the question. But otherwise I agree. "Shurik, this is not our method ..." (c).
          5. holderrr
            holderrr 6 October 2013 19: 02 New
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            From your words it follows that Paskevich, Ermolov, Baklanov are Nazis, fools, provocateurs. Or did I misunderstand you?
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        1. Captain45
          Captain45 5 October 2013 19: 35 New
          +5
          Quote: Victor Alekseev
          I am not a nationalist. but for my family I’ll cut the throat of anesthesia bases for anyone!

          And if not for the family? Well, let's say that the family for 500 km, but just for the homeland? recourse
      3. holderrr
        holderrr 6 October 2013 18: 59 New
        +3
        Let's say not 40 million, but much less. Slavs in the Russian Federation about 82%. Of the remaining nationalities, the majority are sane people. Inadequate for a couple of months to clean up and order!
  6. PValery53
    PValery53 5 October 2013 10: 40 New
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    It is despicable to kill 700 unarmed people - for this sin they have not yet paid. You can never trust them, and in the case of deceit - punish in full. To exhort with words is the last thing. They respect and bow only to force. And anyway, what kind of h_ra do they breed like flies on our maternal allowances?! ..
  7. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
    i_vam_ne_hvoratj 5 October 2013 11: 18 New
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    I agree with the author. Great article. I can debate in detail, but this will not change the attitude to the article. I have never been to the Caucasus. It so happened. It's not about the resources. They are. There is land (The same "green".) On which you can grow grapes, the same as your neighbors (By the way. In Australia, grapes were grown only in Tasmania, but Australians poured grape wine half the world.), Potatoes (I'm not a botanist, but it seems to me that this vegetable, by definition, in the Caucasus should give birth no worse than in Yakutia or Chukotka.). There is oil. I can go on. But it seems to me that enough has already been said about resources. Now about the country of the Soviets. It was a land of equal opportunity. But, out of half a million repressed Chechens, only a few became engineers and technicians. (Unfortunately, I didn’t have the chance to be personally acquainted.) For the rest, not to the chagrin of all the people, physical or mental labor remained outside the worldview. As a result, we have what we had. We pay tribute. For not being robbed. This is wrong.
    1. pa 3 from
      pa 3 from 5 October 2013 17: 23 New
      +9
      BAD THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE CAUCASUS, COME. SUCH PEOPLE LIVE HERE, WITH THE SAME ANATOMY, PHYSIOLOGY. WITH THE SAME NEEDS, MAY BE WITH OTHER OBLIGATIONS, BUT NOT LESS WORKING THAN ANYONE IN THIS COUNTRY. BUT WITH THIS PART OF CAUCASUS IN ANOTHER RELIGIOUS RANGE. AND IT IS NOT DEPENDING ON THIS PEOPLE WORK IN THE FIELD AND FURNACES AT SOME OF THESE ENTERPRISES NOT LESS THAN ANYWHERE IN KRASNODAR OR IN SIBERIA. A MASS OF PEOPLE WITH GOOD EDUCATION AND QUALIFICATIONS THOSE FORMING THE MOST INTELLIGENCE HAVE FOUND USE, NOT ONLY IN THE REPUBLICS OF THE SEVEN CAUCASUS BUT AND THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COUNTRY. HERE A LOT OF WORKS, THEY HERE ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL BE HOPE. YOUR STEREOTYPES ABOUT THE GANGING PEOPLE OF THE CAUCASUS IN PARTICULAR ON Chechens and Ingush are baseless and relevant only among reactively tuned. I LIVE HERE, LIVED IN SIBERIA. I AM ENOUGH FRIENDS AMONG NOT CAUCASUS AND AMONG THEM THERE DO NOT SUFFER SUCH PHOBIES. Well, then, that in the break of the IMPERIAL SOMETIMES, HUNDREDS ARE BACK AND OUR CREATIVITY, TRYING TO GET TO SEASONS, JOINING GEORGIA AND ARMENIA (RUSSIAN FORSPOST IN KOVOZEZOZEZODE-OSOZEZODE-OSOZEZODE-OSOZEZODE-OSOZEZEZODE-OSOZEZODE-OSOZEZODE-OSOZEZODE-OSOZEZODE-OSOZEZEZODE-OSOZEZODE-OSOZEZODE-OSOZEZEZODE-OSOZEZEZODE-OSOZEZEZODE-OSOZEZEZODA-OSOZEZEZODA-OSOZEZEZODA-ONEZOZEZEZODA, ONE-YEAR OPENING OPERATION). THE PEOPLE INHABITING THE PEOPLE HOPPED THE NORTHERNER AND DIDN'T DISAPPEAR THEY TO THE ASH OF YOUR FINALLY SAME PERFORMANCE ... YOU EVERYTHING AND WARNING DO NOT REMEMBER EVERYTHING, SOME TIME SOMETIMES. ", Motley rebels - bandits, fighters. TERRORISTS, ETC. BUT NEVER WITH A PEOPLE WHOLE. I DO NOT TALK ABOUT THESE GLAMORIC SCUMPERS OR SUPER SECURITY. WHICH YOU SEE IN YOURSELF IN CITIES AND ALL. COME AND SEE HOW PEOPLE WORK IN FIELDS ON CONSTRUCTIONS, etc. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO HOSE, TO ATTACK, ETC., WE WILL REDUCE THE COUNTRY OF WHICH AND MAKES US noticeable, THINK BETTER THAN HOW TO NOT ALLOW THIS. AND BY CONTINUING TO DESTROY EACH OTHER ON FORUMS AND IN REAL, WE WILL LIVE UP TO THE APOCALYPSIS. With HC. PATRIOT!
      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 5 October 2013 18: 13 New
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        Firstly, you have the Caps lock turned on, here you can’t turn off the blind. Secondly, these hardworking peaceful Chechens in 91-93 killed all the Russians living in Chechnya who didn’t have time to escape; they cut out their neighbors with whom they lived together or it wasn't they who raped minor girls directly on the streets, didn’t they completely slaughter the Russians as whole families with their children?
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 5 October 2013 21: 15 New
          +2
          There were such cases, and there were others when the Chechens neighbors defended their Russian neighbors from the militants, shared a piece of bread with the Russians while hiding in the basements and so on. So there is no need to respect all under the same comb. I have many acquaintances and friends from among the Russians who lived in Grozny before, and none of them have such hatred for all Chechens or Vainakhs.
          1. Yegorchik
            Yegorchik 7 October 2013 01: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Prisoner
            There were such cases.

            There were such cases - in your mind it’s like to write a hundred thousand Russian women and children killed in Chechnya, you call cases, maybe there were isolated cases of help for salvation, but I never heard of them, but the Chechens were taken away directly from breaking into classes is something I know for sure, intercessors.
            1. Prisoner
              Prisoner 7 October 2013 02: 36 New
              +1
              Yes, it seems I don’t suffer on my head so you can not doubt what kind of mind I am. Just because you haven’t heard something doesn’t mean that it wasn’t. Many hear only what they want, so maybe you just didn’t want to hear about the occurrence of such cases? You probably didn’t read the second part from what I wrote, I myself from Grozny have a lot of friends and acquaintances from there, and the vast majority of Russians, and I haven’t heard from any of them that all Chechens, Vainakh animals and they should exterminate, send, drown, and so on. Don't you think that people who directly felt on themselves all the charms of what you wrote would be so tolerant? And since they are like that, they look sensibly at things and do not judge a whole people based on the lawlessness of individuals. My uncle worked in the Ministry of Internal Affairs when Dudaev came to power, all the employees were given weapons to the house from the Ministry of Internal Affairs warehouses, because they were afraid that these warehouses would be looted. So he was most worried about his family, because the militants knew that they had handed over the arms and could at any moment burst home to expropriate him. In your opinion, would Vainakh worry that they would break into his house if only the Russians suffered from lawlessness there?
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 5 October 2013 21: 11 New
        +3
        Supplement a little if you do not mind your post. Here from today's news- "Ingushetia came out on the second place in Russia in terms of yield growth

        In 2013, the yield in the republic is many times higher than in any other year in the history of Ingushetia as part of the new Russia. A large role in this was played by the entry into the region in 2012 of new modern technology, as well as the introduction of advanced technologies for the cultivation of winter crops, which entailed the success of peasant farms.

        According to statistical data, over 18000 tons of grain were collected from a winter wedge of about 44000 hectares. The total figure of 24 centners per hectare is two times higher than in 2012. A good harvest allowed the unitary enterprises of the region not only to settle accounts with farmers, but also to stock up on seed, pay taxes and pay a significant part of the cost of agricultural equipment acquired through leasing.

        The plans of the farmers of Ingushetia for 2014 are to achieve an average yield per hectare of 30 centners or more. "Certainly not militants, bandits, etc., they plow and sow there
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 7 October 2013 03: 13 New
          +3
          To all the minusers, well, I understand that someone may not like my opinion in other posts, but what didn’t please you that in Ingushetia, I also grow crops request . So then I don’t care, I’m not earning my own epaulettes but I’m only because I am fond of history and naval issues, and there are good articles here. So minus the health, I hope you feel better from this wink
          1. Lech from ZATULINKI
            Lech from ZATULINKI 7 October 2013 03: 47 New
            +2
            (I didn’t minus you) The fact that bread is grown in this republic means that there are still adequate people who don’t cut their heads to people shouting ALLAH AKBAR)


            Do not be offended by our members of the forum, because some of them have experienced the charms of the actions of bandits in the Caucasus. And the memory of this will for a long time be reminded of yourself.
            I would never raise the topic of the genocide of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE in the Caucasus if it were not for the informational stuffing of some LORD or FRIENDS as you want.
            When I began to delve into all the details of the extermination of the Russian-speaking population in Chechnya and Ingushetia, my hair stood on end (I have video recordings of Russian murders laid out by bandits removed ..... kami).
            And I must tell my people do not believe all the good intentions that they say about internationalism and other nonsense. Give resistance to all evil, no matter what - otherwise they will simply destroy us.
            Post-crypt-on the human (everyday) level there are highly moral people who will never raise their hands on a child, a woman or an old man, I am ready to be friends with.
            And nationality does not guarantee that a person cannot become a bastard-cannibal.
            1. Prisoner
              Prisoner 7 October 2013 05: 10 New
              +1
              "And nationality does not guarantee that a person cannot become a cannibal bastard."
              that’s what I’m talking about, just as it’s not worth projecting the actions of villains on the whole people. And about the insults, I don’t take offense. I understand that these are emotions, but unfortunately some forum users think that only their emotions have a place to be, and the emotions of the representatives of the Caucasus are as if inappropriate. They a priori consider all Caucasians criminals and traitors. But let’s say what emotions should I experience, for example, if my grandfather worked as the chief engineer of a defense plant during the Second World War, but that didn’t stop him from deporting to Kazakhstan with two young children and a pregnant wife? I mean, so far, both sides will show more emotion and less intelligence, we won’t build anything good and positive. You have to be kinder wink
  8. pliev78
    pliev78 5 October 2013 11: 20 New
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    Another war cannot be avoided; the restoration of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and the return of deported peoples was a great mistake of the Soviet regime. Now we are all disentangling !!!
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  9. fzr1000
    fzr1000 5 October 2013 11: 40 New
    +5
    So far, today we, like the kings, are forced to "support, through the fact of non-interference in the internal life of the highlanders, by bribing the tribal nobility, free distribution of flour, fabrics, leather, clothing to the poor highlanders; by appointing officials of local authoritative elders, leaders of teips and tribes." But, firstly, the “kings" (presidents) are changing, and secondly: everything comes to an end. So all the Islamites who came to Russia with jihad will have to choose: either jihad-sharia means death, or to live according to secular normal normal laws. There is no third.
  10. vkrav
    vkrav 5 October 2013 11: 41 New
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    The role of the arrogant Saxons in the history of conflicts in the Caucasus is poorly covered ... All these "uprisings" were well funded and provided by the Angles. You can’t even whistle about "freedom of love." In the 19th century, the Caucasian wars ended almost instantly through diplomatic means - the Angles simply stated that if they do not stop supplying and financing militants in the Caucasus, then Russia begins to arm militants in India ... "Freedom" ended with funding ...
  11. os9165
    os9165 5 October 2013 11: 41 New
    +6
    A robust and very balanced article. How many wolves do not feed, he still looks into the forest. Why is it there that is better fed? No, he is by nature. I agree with the option -division of the republic as a geographical fact and transfer of land to neighboring regions and territories. Although also not an option. Fence along the Terek River as in the USA with Mexico - let them live as they want, but without us, without permission to enter the territory of Russia, why do we need animals.
    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 14: 28 New
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      os9165
      Firstly. not animals, but people. Secondly. the fence was already there. Although not physically built. By the way, nobody canceled the border of Chechnya with Georgia. They came to us. If they are left to their own devices, abandoning the strategically important region of the Russian territory, they will still come to us as they came in 99. And we will lose the whole Caucasus and not only- this will be the first step towards the dismemberment of Russia. Do you really want this so much? It is remembered that to leave them alone our human rights defenders shouted a lot in 95-6 years. They finished off before the next war and barely prevented the separation of the entire Caucasus, Tatarstan and Bashkortostan ... simple paths often lead to garbage ...
      1. os9165
        os9165 5 October 2013 16: 30 New
        +3
        Well you are wrong. The animals will remain animals. People will remain people. The area is important. Your decisions And immodest question were you there? "Worked" with them? There are very worthy people, but they are few.
        1. smile
          smile 5 October 2013 18: 44 New
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          os9165
          I am familiar with what they are. And I know that they worked with Russians before the age of 94. And I am familiar with the way Chechen boys are raised.
          My decision? Good.
          1. Help must be maintained. While unemployment there is going through the roof. But tighten control over spending.
          2. In each case of Russophobic manifestations in Russian cities, beat the leadership of the diaspora (they are already under control) according to their business interests, up to the point of crowding out. But only the top. Do not touch ordinary and innocent people. The main part of them is engaged in business, and here they ruin their life - a lot of options. For. so that each case does not stir up our rabies, and as always, the marsh ones do not use it, make the leaders of the diasporas apologize and repent publicly in the media. The same applies to comrades like Ramzan, leverage over him for now is enough to make him repent for his compatriots on television. Such statements strongly hit on pride and prestige, so let him educate his own so that he does not have to repent.
          3. Into the school curriculum to introduce world lessons in a special program. Regardless of the historical truth - Accent - the Chechens did not start these wars themselves, but they were constantly encouraged by external forces. As a result, they were always beaten. and this brought the people only grief. Especially dwell on the fate of those who emigrated and practically died out in Turkey in the 19th century. It turns out, who is not with the Russians, to the khan. Focus on the criminality of their actions under Dudaev, Maskhadov. The emphasis is on the wildest crimes that some nonhumans committed, mass looting and .. I won’t say what (the more you talk about it, the more people get mad). Let Ramzan create a special program for the return of the exiled Russian-speaking population. and set aside a fund for compensation — all with appropriate propaganda support. Let them repent ... it is clear that while no one goes there, it is necessary to educate their youth, the main thing is to create an appropriate information field. And most importantly, let them do it themselves. Fully normal Caucasians-a vivid example- Yevkurov. And they themselves will be able to restore order and deal with clanism. They need only support. Yes. there will be wild resistance, let them fight. And total control. From the undercover (although it’s hard there because of various reasons) to the official.

          All this against the backdrop of tough suppression of any Russophobia on their part by law enforcement agencies. Work out the problems of proof and practice in cases of incitement of ethnic hatred. Familiarize personnel. mercilessly dismissed for trying to let things go on the brakes. Tighten 282th. the deadlines are real. Similarly, to prevent Nazi propaganda in Russia. Crush the Nazis in the bud. Because the very presence of our Natsiks is a catalyst for the emergence of radicals of other nationalities - they, as a self-sustaining chemical reaction, feed each other ... this vicious circle must be broken.
          In general, you can offer a lot, of course, I wrote it offhand, I did not develop systematic plans to reduce the level of ethnic hatred. :)))
          I am well aware that such measures cannot bear fruit quickly. But they CAN bear fruit, and calling them animals and urging them all to solve nothing. except the escalation of ethnic hatred and the wild joy of those. who sets fire to the Caucasus you will not achieve.
          What are your suggestions?
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 5 October 2013 19: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: smile
            What are your suggestions?

            As the saying goes: "I hear a speech not of a boy, but of a husband," but without jokes, at least real sentences on a real problem. For what my big "+"
            1. smile
              smile 5 October 2013 19: 52 New
              +4
              Captain45
              Thank you, I also liked your comment - you are our person, and it is clear that you know. so to speak, the subject of discussion is firsthand.
          2. chehywed
            chehywed 5 October 2013 20: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: smile
            What are your suggestions?

            When is the presidential election there? laughing
            1. alone
              alone 5 October 2013 21: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: os9165
              Fence along the Terek River as in the USA with Mexico - let them live as they want, but without us, without permission to enter the territory of Russia, why do we need animals.


              did you even understand what you wrote? you openly call for the collapse of Russia as a state. Excuse me, but by chance you did not drink too much, or did not have a bite at the same time?

              P.S. strange affairs. I am a citizen of Azerbaijan who has to blame a Russian citizen for calling for his country to collapse)) and then they say that everyone from the Caucasus should be blamed))
          3. os9165
            os9165 5 October 2013 21: 30 New
            +5
            Even in the late 80s and early 90s, they were already robbed by trains. I agree only with strict system control and the same penalties. Unemployment goes through the roof and rolls over; dark and dense gobs are easier to manage. All that you offer is old and run in for decades, but it will not work. We now have permissiveness, because everything is corrupt. Whoever pays the most is right. Therefore, no measures are invalid. We cannot restore order at our place, and you say Chechnya. I liked the Australians
            Australia issued a decree on September 20, which states that Muslims who wish to live in Australia under Sharia law will have to leave this country because the government is threatened by this category of citizens, reports Uainfo.

            This decree is addressed, as noted in the press, to Arab-Muslim immigrants.
            The day after the "group of moderate Muslims," ​​at a special meeting with Australian Prime Minister John Howard, took the oath of allegiance to Australia and the Queen, Howard and his ministers made an unequivocal statement that the whole burden of the law would fall on the so-so extremists. " Treasury Secretary Peter Costello, who is considered Howard’s successor as prime minister, hinted that some sheikhs might be asked to leave the country if they did not reconcile with the fact that “Australia is a secular state in which laws are passed by parliament.”
            If you don’t want to live according to the Russian laws - ATTORNEY. Only political will is needed, but I do not observe it.
            1. Prisoner
              Prisoner 5 October 2013 21: 43 New
              +4
              do not compare Autrasralia and Russia, there visiting Muslims are not the indigenous population and can leave for their historical homeland. Russian Muslims have nowhere to go, they are at home.
              1. os9165
                os9165 5 October 2013 21: 59 New
                -1
                We have a lot of not so distant places.
              2. chehywed
                chehywed 5 October 2013 22: 49 New
                +4
                Quote: Prisoner
                don't compare autshit and Russia.

                good laughing
                1. Prisoner
                  Prisoner 5 October 2013 23: 36 New
                  +3
                  repeat it happens when I quickly print
                  And so, in fact, it turned out just in the subject lol
          4. alicante11
            alicante11 6 October 2013 08: 51 New
            +1
            smile

            Your suggestions would be good if Caucasians were not encouraged by our "probable patrons". For economic interests, too, beating is fraught. Firstly, it is illegal, nafig sued. And secondly, if the lawlessness goes on, then the elders who are “hit by interests” will explain to their fellow tribesmen who is to blame for their poor life, or first, that they live poorly, and then who is to blame.
            As for the "lessons of the world", then, in addition to lessons at school, there are also lessons at home. Especially in the Caucasus, home lessons will be much better learned than at school. So, of course, it is possible that this option will work. But obviously very, very soon. Much earlier, blood will flow again.

            In my opinion, the harsh conditions of the mountainous terrain and the constant war led to the fact that the Caucasians developed a certain mentality. The closest you can call the mentality of the samurai. Only they do not serve the master, but the clan - teip. Therefore, they must be used as warriors. And to ensure fidelity and the greatest dedication, of course, pay for their work.
            The solution to the problem could be the mandatory 25-year military service for Caucasians. But at the same time, they should receive enough money for this service in order to provide for their families. Draftees must enter special training camps, after which they will be sent to national special forces. On the basis of which groups of militants can be formed, if necessary. Moreover, this contingent can be used very widely and boldly. For example, to safeguard Russia's interests in Syria, under the guise of militants like Hezbollah, to organize problems in Georgia through Ossetia and Abkhazia. Yes, at least to suppress the movement of the Crimean Tatars and / or organize the exclusion of Crimea from Ukraine, relying on the infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet. Not to mention the fight against separatists. The main thing is that they are constantly busy, receive what they lack - i.e. war. I think that in our time, work is quite enough for them.
  12. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 5 October 2013 12: 00 New
    +7
    how to solve this question? it will be given the correct answer by those who went through military operations there officers and soldiers, it was not necessary to bind them with human rights and betray, the question would be resolved
    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 14: 31 New
      +5
      soldier's grandson
      That. you don’t have to connect, you’re right, but about human rights ... well, they wouldn’t. who was deliberately destroying the peaceful people there. There were not SS men there, but ordinary people.
  13. Grbear
    Grbear 5 October 2013 12: 37 New
    +4
    Finally they gave an article with normal tonality and facts. And that’s all: “War ... Will be - will not be”, etc.

    Islam and "hot Caucasian blood" are a defensive reaction, such as a fish-ball, from fear of assimilation. This is normal, but within reason.

    It is not necessary to do much. To prevent the radicalization of Islam, to teach how to work - and that’s all, and their blood has the same temperature (cools when it collides with hard - in every sense). And the rest - they are the same people and they also suffer from their "beys", only maybe harder. Everything, like ours, is politics, power and money.

    The percentage of "crazy" they have is slightly higher than ours. Having received the head from them, you can lie down on the ground - it’s warm, with us it’s the minimum, you freeze Th and be like a kidney or a “Valentine”. laughing

    PS I’d like to see profiles minus (s) alshchikov articles, so ... for dating.
    1. Walking
      Walking 5 October 2013 17: 30 New
      +4
      To teach to work, whom? For so many years, they never learned and do not want to learn.
  14. Igor39
    Igor39 5 October 2013 12: 59 New
    +6
    In less than a few years, hostilities will begin there again, because we also remember and finish off all the unfinished ones.
  15. Radoslav
    Radoslav 5 October 2013 13: 06 New
    0
    Constantly these villains rise up, get luli from the Russians and calm down, waiting for a new case to hit Russia in the back, mushrooms with the same result. We are waiting for boxing. Our Alexander Povetkin today, or tomorrow will win. Alexander has nowhere to retreat, GREAT RUSSIA is behind you!
  16. chehywed
    chehywed 5 October 2013 13: 53 New
    14
    Memories of a German saboteur of Avar origin, Osman Guba (Saydnurov) are very eloquent, he was planned to be appointed Gauleiter (governor) in the North Caucasus:

    “Among the Chechens and Ingush, I easily found the right people, ready to betray, go over to the side of the Germans and serve them.

    I was surprised: why are these people unhappy? Under the Soviet regime, Chechens and Ingushs lived prosperously, in prosperity, much better than in pre-revolutionary times, which I personally saw after more than four months in the territory of Chechnya-Ingushetia.

    The Chechens and Ingush, I repeat, do not need anything, which struck me as I recalled the difficult conditions and the constant deprivation that mountain emigration had in Turkey and Germany. I did not find any other explanation, besides that these people from Chechens and Ingush, changeful moods regarding their homeland, were guided by selfish considerations, the desire under the Germans to preserve at least the remnants of their prosperity, to provide a service, in return for which the invaders would leave at least some of them available livestock and products, land and housing ”
    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 14: 37 New
      +1
      chehywed
      Hello!
      Great quote! I immediately got into Google to read more in detail. Thank!
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 5 October 2013 15: 13 New
        +2
        Good day smile. Here is the link: http://topwar.ru/3294-za-chto-i-stalin-nakazal-chechencev-i-ingushej.html
  17. Boris55
    Boris55 5 October 2013 14: 07 New
    +1
    Chechens, Dagestanis are all the same Khazar Khaganate ...
    1. hommer
      hommer 5 October 2013 14: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: Boris55
      Chechens, Dagestanis are all the same Khazar Khaganate ...


      The thesis of the relationship of Chechens with Jews, or at least with the Khazars, has been repeatedly discussed.
      From the Khazar language, nothing but toponyms has been preserved, but it is toponyms that are very easy to read in Chechen. So, the very words “Khazar” is translated from Chechen as “Beautiful Field”.
      Quite unexpectedly, these assumptions found genetic confirmation. It turns out 23,7% of Chechens are carriers of the Jewish haplogroup J1, originating from the biblical Abraham - the ancestor of the Jews and Arabs. The largest number of Chechens - 55,2% have the haplogroup J2, which is almost autochthonous for this region.
      More details - http://www.anaga.ru/checheny.html
      1. washi
        washi 5 October 2013 18: 55 New
        +2
        Oh, how beautiful. And Armenians are simply called Caucasian Jews. And some "Cossacks" call themselves not the descendants of escaped criminals, but the heirs of the ancient Khazars.
        All around are Jews. If they were still present in the Jewish Autonomous Region.
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 5 October 2013 21: 23 New
          +2
          In general, the Khazar Khaganate was created by the Turks on the principle of the federation, that is, it included many peoples with different religions. It was later the Jews who somehow seized power in the kaganate, but this does not mean that the entire population became Jews. If you think so, then after 17, then the entire population of the union could also be called Jews, because in the country's leadership there were an overwhelming majority
          1. Asan Ata
            Asan Ata 6 October 2013 12: 11 New
            +1
            Done right. Excavations on the territory of the Khazars confirm that all the burials were of a purely Tengrian type, which is typical of the steppes. Not a single burial of Khazar times of the Jewish type has yet been discovered.
          2. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 7 October 2013 08: 19 New
            0
            And can you tell by the presence of a connection among the North Caucasian peoples with geniuses? These lived, if I am not mistaken, during the time of the Roman Empire, also due to robbery.
  18. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 15: 34 New
    +8
    The article is excellent. +
    Chechnya now looks like a Caucasian shepherd dog, which you feed and do not know what it will do the next moment when it rushes at you. In the meantime, it is saturated and evaluates you - prey. Kadyrov needs to be publicly replaced and the sooner the better, to show all Chechens who is the boss in the country. It’s time to understand that kindness for a Chechen is an indicator of weakness.
  19. antidote
    antidote 5 October 2013 15: 42 New
    +6
    There are many articles that the Khazars, after the defeat of their state by Russian soldiers under the leadership of Siyatoslav, retreated to the North Caucasus. Gumilyov writes that the Khazars lived due to parasitism on the Silk Road and the resale of captured Slavs and raids. They did not know other crafts, and therefore it is not surprising that Aberki only lived in the future. There is no need to shed tears about the fact that the Abreks had nothing to do, as soon as robbing. Robbing and killing is always easier than working. Georgians lived in the same mountains, but they did not deal with this robbery, as a rule, but raised livestock, raised grapes. They developed crafts, and so on.
  20. Stepnogorets
    Stepnogorets 5 October 2013 15: 54 New
    +5
    Quote: PValery53
    It is despicable to kill 700 unarmed people - for this sin they have not yet paid. You can never trust them, and in the case of deceit - punish in full. To exhort with words is the last thing. They respect and bow only to force. And anyway, what kind of h_ra do they breed like flies on our maternal allowances?! ..

    100% Renome: How to treat "hothead" !? It is necessary to create a secret interdepartmental commission of the RAS and the FSB to conduct experiments on “hotheads” to study at the genetic level such a vice as “bloodthirstiness and exorbitant cruelty” (it seems to me that this “unites” them)! If possible, then develop a vaccine against "this." And since childhood, put it on the pretext of vaccination only with "IM"! If NO, then as they say, NO COURT! It remains, as I already wrote per gram of NON-Chechen blood, a liter of Chechen blood. A third in my opinion is not given!
  21. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 5 October 2013 16: 09 New
    +8
    For several centuries, the main occupation of the Chechens was the robbery of caravans that passed through the lands of the North Caucasus. This was mainly done by the “higher caste” - abreks, and the “caste of despised” shepherds grazed and kept goats. The Turks in response to the robberies and seizures of the "slaves" sent punitive detachments that literally cut out all life in the villages. By the time the Russian troops arrived (the War with Turkey) in the North Caucasus, the Chechens remained high in the mountains, about 300 people and already in Soviet times there were already more than 3 million. But their mentality remained the same. Even during the war between Russia and Turkey, they quietly attacked the rear of the Russian troops, attacked the Cossack villages in the absence of the male population, slaughtered the elderly, women and children (pregnant women were ripped open). And again they robbed as before abducted people, turning them into slaves. The same mentality has remained today. I am not talking about everyone, but lovers of "antiquity" still remain. And the better they live, the more they "hound" under the cover of Islam, continue to rob, rape, no matter how much you feed a predator, it will remain a predator (the main thing is not to work yourself)
    1. washi
      washi 5 October 2013 19: 02 New
      0
      And how do Chechens differ from the British or the inhabitants of the USA? They are all afraid of the strong, and their actions are justified either by religion or by a struggle for the correct order. Democracy, that in Chechen, that in English looks the same: attack the weak, rob, justify with a simple thesis - it’s his own fault.
  22. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 16: 48 New
    +9
    On December 24, Chechens surrounded the main forces of the regiment in Botlikh. During the negotiations, an agreement was reached that the regiment would freely leave for Vedeno, leaving weapons in Botlikh. But as soon as an unarmed convoy emerged from Botlikh, how it was attacked and completely cut out with daggers and sabers (more than 700 people).
    - here is their essence, only animals can do this, not people. What to talk about with them is hard to put in place, there are no other solutions.
  23. kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 5 October 2013 17: 08 New
    +8
    On the reasons for deportation:
    “In the second half of 1941, the number of deserters amounted to 12 people who evaded conscription - 365. In total for three years of the war, 1093 Chechens and Ingush deserted from the ranks of the Red Army, 49 evaded the conscription, which amounts to 362 people. He died on the fronts and went missing (and the latter include those who went over to the enemy), just 13 people.
    At the same time that the decree on resettlement was published, only 8894 Chechens, Ingush and Balkars were in the army. That is, ten times more deserted than fought. "
    Not weak yes ?!
    And another quote:
    "On January 31, 1944, a decree of the GKO of the USSR No. 5073 was adopted on the abolition of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and the deportation of its population to Central Asia and Kazakhstan.
    Operation Lentil began on February 23, 1944, during which 180 trains of 65 wagons each with a total number of 493 people relocated were sent from Chechen-Ingushetia. 269 firearms were seized. When resisting, 20 Chechens and Ingush were killed, and 072 were arrested for possession of weapons and anti-Soviet literature. "
    What about Lentil 2?
    1. pa 3 from
      pa 3 from 5 October 2013 17: 46 New
      -13
      You're better to count deserters and traitors in only one regular Red Army during the same period, not counting urged then defected later present them here, SAY WHAT COMPOSITION Vlasov GONE AND YOUR false figures the reduced HERE ON THE Chechens and Ingush to drown in the new ones.
      ... THERE WAS A LOT OF CHITCHEVITS TO ESTABLISH ON THE SPACES OF MOLDOVA, WESTERN UKRAINE, PART OF BELARUSIANS FROM POLAND, THE BALTICS, ETC.
      1. washi
        washi 5 October 2013 19: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: pa 3 from
        You're better to count deserters and traitors in only one regular Red Army during the same period, not counting urged then defected later present them here, SAY WHAT COMPOSITION Vlasov GONE AND YOUR false figures the reduced HERE ON THE Chechens and Ingush to drown in the new ones.
        ... THERE WAS A LOT OF CHITCHEVITS TO ESTABLISH ON THE SPACES OF MOLDOVA, WESTERN UKRAINE, PART OF BELARUSIANS FROM POLAND, THE BALTICS, ETC.

        Interesting idea. I’m only afraid that the USSR would have declared local residents in the genocide. And so they accuse of mass rape of ALL Germans. Probably yours tried. They gave ours to ours. For a can of stew.
      2. smile
        smile 5 October 2013 19: 21 New
        +3
        pa 3 from
        If you count them. it turns out that it would be better if the facts were not considered a stubborn thing. People. Of course, they were different, but the fact that the Chechens and Ingush really behaved almost like the Crimean Tatars, and in relation to the Russian civilian population, much worse, is also a fact. I perfectly understand your desire to protect your own. But believe me, if you do not turn a blind eye to the facts, they will believe you ... and if you refuse to admit the obvious ... why then write, they simply will not believe you. It will only cause irritation ... fair.
  24. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 17: 20 New
    18
    And summed up the Chechen "exploits" of the Civil War, an officer of the Wild Division Dmitry de Witte.

    “The specific gravity of a Chechen as a warrior is small; by nature, he is an abrek robber, and, moreover, not from the bold ones: he always makes a weak sacrifice for himself and, if he is defeated, becomes cruel to sadism. In battle, his only engine is the thirst for robbery, as well as a sense of animal fear of the officer. Persistent and prolonged battle, especially on foot, they can not stand it and easily, like any wild man, at the slightest failure they panic. Having served for about a year among Chechens and having been in their villages at home in the villages, I think that I will not be mistaken in asserting that all the beautiful and noble customs of the Caucasus and the adat of antiquity were created not by them and not for them, but, obviously, more cultured and gifted tribes. "
    1. Qazaq
      Qazaq 12 October 2013 18: 27 New
      +2
      I respect tsarist Russia. The language is such that you just open your mouth. How strong, capacious people said. What language was just a miracle. Very similar to the truth.
  25. Goblin 28
    Goblin 28 5 October 2013 17: 26 New
    +6
    Quote: smile
    Kibalchish
    Who is not given? Where not given Where do they serve you? Do you personally go to slaughter children and women? How many will you kill while you consider that you have fulfilled your civic duty? Do you have enough blood? Maybe the vampire has bitten you, so it doesn’t fit in your head for more than two options and you constantly want blood?
    Forgive me, but the love of such loud slogans is peculiar only to provocateurs or fools.
    Understand, neither we them nor they will not destroy us. We don't care living here. Next to them. Radicalism - crush in the bud and kick their elite. But the Russian people simply will not be able to get to the genocide. We are not Nazis and not Anglo-Saxons .... and not Chechens.

    From the Kuban. Nobody wants blood, but when your daughter is raped or your son is killed, you will go yourself. And I’ll go, even run. But what about their women and children? Women give birth to children, who then turn into bandits who kill our women and children, simultaneously producing their own kind. Such a chain must be interrupted, otherwise they will interrupt ours. Alas, the law of evolution. And it’s not us who don’t want to live in peace, they don’t want it. An example of the relationship between the United States and the Indians, by the way, is very shaky.
    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 19: 26 New
      +5
      Goblin 28
      Yes. I will go. To those who are guilty. But I won’t go to kill left and right, to smash everything. And certainly I won’t go to rape and slaughter children.
      And there is no such law of evolution. And then why are we blaming Americans? Envy of them? We want to become the same? I do not want.
  26. Boris63
    Boris63 5 October 2013 17: 38 New
    +7
    In the late 80s (while in Tbilisi, on a business trip) I read a book by a Georgian GBshnik. It was written that owls. power in the 20s-mid 30s almost every year - two conducted military operations in Chechnya. The latter was in 1936, just as under Yermolov, there was an imam (forgotten name) who "reassured" the bulk of the Chechens. Then he was taken to Moscow, but (sort of) in the mid-40s, the mention of him disappears (maybe they let him go to expense, he does not focus on the book). The last "dzhigits" (by analogy with the "forest brothers" and the OUN) were caught only in 1968-69. Regarding the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic - a little earlier in the mid-80s I met an expedition in Salekhard with Ingush (by the way, the people of the okrug they called Tatar-Donetsk), and so when I mentioned the Chechens and their "joint" living with the Ingush, my friend "exploded", like the "Tambov Wolf" comrade to them.
  27. kostella85
    kostella85 5 October 2013 17: 38 New
    +4
    The flywheel of bloody hostility began to unwind again. So far, the author does not have information about the events in the North Caucasus in the period 1957-91, about how much and how blood was shed there. But there was no doubt that it poured. So which decree of the Soviet regime was wiser for 44 or 57 years?


    For example, what happened in 58 in Grozny (a year after the Chechens' mass return): "Mass riots in Grozny - events in the city of Grozny (Checheno-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic), August 23 - August 31, 1958, the reason for which was the murder that took place against the backdrop of an aggravated ethnic "The crime caused widespread public outcry, and spontaneous protests escalated into a massive political uprising, to suppress which forces had to be sent to the city."
  28. dixonis
    dixonis 5 October 2013 17: 43 New
    +1
    Thanks to the author for the article. I read it with pleasure. But it is very interesting, what kind of photograph is this with the highlanders above? It seems not like Vainakhs and Dagas. In my opinion this photo is pre-revolutionary, and refers to the mountain parts of the tsarist army.
  29. Technologist
    Technologist 5 October 2013 17: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: smile
    We are not Nazis and not Anglo-Saxons .... and not Chechens.

    So you yourself and answered your question, who is who and whom you put on a par.
    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 19: 00 New
      +2
      Technologist
      Do not think that I was wrong. I wrote this because I could not write otherwise, I know what they did in Chechnya with the Russians. so, we are not them. And we are able to make it so. what was going on in 93-94 did not happen again. And one of the conditions for this is to stop yelling. that we will kill them all, and they are all animals. We fought Nazism; did we become the same? We fought with Nokhchi, we became the same? And you. propose to become such? Think please.
  30. deman73
    deman73 5 October 2013 18: 35 New
    +5
    Nokhchi themselves admit that they understand only power, and that's the answer to the eternal question, what to do with them
    1. washi
      washi 5 October 2013 19: 22 New
      +9
      Quote: deman73
      Nokhchi themselves admit that they understand only power, and that's the answer to the eternal question, what to do with them

      It is not only them.
      There must be a strong state to extinguish separatism and crime.
      They will plant Vasilyev, Chubais - they have shown strength.
      Police stopped selling - showed strength.
      The girls ceased to be sold for grandmas - they showed strength.
      Strength is not troops. The power in the brain.
      RESPECT (do not love) YOURSELF, GET RESPECT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT (just don’t need the drunk "you respect me"). Respect cannot be based on fear and material interest.
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    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 19: 28 New
      +3
      Captain45
      I absolutely agree. And with the second part too. This is especially true for those who yell about a desirable new war and the destruction of the Chechen peacekeeper, for this is supposedly the law of evolution ... pah, damn it, there is not enough evil.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 5 October 2013 19: 50 New
        +3
        smile, I’m up there at the top of your post with suggestions for resolving the issue, plus because there are normal offers, without screams and noise. Did anyone really offer anything other than “down with and cut everyone”? Cutters, teddy tales! am
  32. Captain45
    Captain45 5 October 2013 18: 56 New
    +5
    They did not see anything except the war, and now they live. Like in a war. They can’t be redone. Only the TFT in the regions of North Sever, but we have democracy. They will immediately raise a howl. It remains to wait until they die out or kill them. Who will kill, who will take over this dirty business? Only not those who are screaming about it here on the site. Give such a trunk and put in front of the person who needs to be removed, he will be the first to hang up or put on his pants. Therefore, you need to rely on time. itself will bring them out (enemies), as the whining of mandates. Now they shout, "stop feeding Kavkaz. "Kadyrov says:" Allah gives money. "I believe that, thank God, Allah by the name of Putin gives money. Just as now we need to raise a new generation, which for its well-fed life will thank Allah through 10-15 for years my son will not have to go to the Caucasus and finish the work of his father. Here is my personal point of view. I could still write a lot from personal impressions and meetings with not the last people, I had a chance to communicate, but it will draw on the article, and let the prosecutor select the articles . It may be a little messy, but the Search Day is all the same. All the criminal investigation operas, if any are present on the 95 anniversary. Health, happiness, good luck! And let us miss us! drinks
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 19: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Captain45
      It itself will bring them out (enemies), like the whining of mandates. Now they shout, “stop feeding the Caucasus.” Kadyrov says: “Allah gives money.”

      You're not right. Itself does not resolve, do not hope and count on it without doing anything just silly. I do not call to kill all, just do not call to start a new war. But power must be shown and the power in the person of Kadyrov put in place, it’s vitally and vitally hard to teach the rest of the highlanders to order by giving special powers to the security forces with regard to these limitless people, if necessary, laws should be adopted on behavior in society or some other norms, rules, to form if necessary even from under the stick - there is something to think over to the authorities and society. But you only need to think and do, and not chat like our government. Filling the problem with money - it can’t be solved, but only aggravated, delay the explosion for a while. This ostrich policy of power is hopeless and destructive. Blaming time, the alcoholic Yeltsin and other trash that they are absolutely wrong. They are what we allow them to be.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 5 October 2013 20: 03 New
        +2
        Ruslan- Yes, I don’t even say that it will resolve itself if I carefully read the second post, especially the ending, I now have a lyrical mood that is not conducive to long discussions. And I agree, you need to give money, but it’s hard to ask for it, in principle, I’m crying, but where’s the result? But you see, all this draws a very large complex of problems that require a complex solution, and not just a moment, for the public’s needs. But with this in our country, namely in the country, and not in the state, big problems. I hope you understand me?
      2. fisherman
        fisherman 6 October 2013 11: 03 New
        0
        rather than chatting like our power.


        Blaming time, the alcoholic Yeltsin and other trash that they are absolutely wrong. They are what we allow them to be.


        "there is a bright life, but there is a long"

        "there are easy solutions, but there are right ones"
  33. Semurg
    Semurg 5 October 2013 20: 06 New
    +3
    I don’t want to understand who is right and who is to blame for the history of Russian-Chechen relations, but I remember the fight in the army 80g Caucasus against Middle Asia and I remember what the Chechens said if the Kazakhs go beyond Central Asia we Chechens will not participate on the side of the Caucasus. The Chechens remembered who helped they can survive after deportation, although in Kazakhstan fights between Chechens and Kazakhs were on an ongoing basis, but it was an internal showdown.
  34. Captain45
    Captain45 5 October 2013 20: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Blaming time, the alcoholic Yeltsin and other trash that they are absolutely wrong. They are what we allow them to be.

    Sorry, it’s you who allowed them to be like that. 7 I didn’t allow it, that's for sure, but no one asked me, unfortunately crying So the demand is from you? smile Joke!
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 20: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Captain45
      Sorry, it was you who allowed them to be like that7 I didn’t allow it, that’s for sure, but no one asked me, unfortunately crying Does the demand come from you? smile A joke!


      I hope that it’s a joke, because I’m not used to shifting my guilt, including for the time being, to others and other supposedly independent circumstances. Good luck to celebrate the holiday. hi
  35. repytw
    repytw 5 October 2013 20: 27 New
    +4
    Stalin’s “offended” peoples should thank and pray for him, in that situation in the war, for resettlement to camps, as the USA did with the Japanese and Italians and starving and starving for illness, no one would condemn him, and he would only resettle them for treason , that is, saved.
    I foresee that there will be another Caucasian war, and now we must think that it would be the last, I’m not for the annihilation of the Caucasians, I am for their assimilation, a long time ago we need to develop a national policy in Russia, which is not today, in Russia there should be one and there are many nationalities who, preserving their identity and culture at home, in society will not differ from Russians, all the rest is nationalism (fascism) for which it is necessary to attract, as a particularly serious crime.
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 20: 43 New
      0
      Quote: repytw
      I’m not for the extermination of the Caucasians, I am for their assimilation, for a long time it is necessary to develop a national policy in Russia that does not exist today, in Russia there should be one and many nationalities that, preserving their identity and culture at home, in society will not differ from Russians,

      True, ideally. It will not be possible to pursue a national policy towards the Chechens without putting them tough and revealingly in place. First, the authorities should bring them to their senses, and only then assimilate them so that they don’t slip off, otherwise they will write down laws and programs, swell the loot - and the result will be zero.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 5 October 2013 20: 47 New
        -5
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        First, power should bring them to life, and only then assimilate

        What do you think it means to bring to life? Shooting every third? Collective flogging on Fridays? And I remembered the old practice that Tukhachevsky used, taking hostages, are you talking about this? And at the expense of assimilating it, how? The total rape of all women in order for the Russians to give birth?
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 5 October 2013 21: 20 New
          +1
          Dear Eugene, I remember you by your avatar and you have always been an adequate participant in the site, and I don’t remember such attacks on you. I am tormented by vague doubts whether any scoundrel is using your avatar. Because I remember your previous statements and they somehow do not fit with today's? repeat
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 5 October 2013 21: 39 New
            -3
            Quote: Captain45
            Vague doubts torment me: whether any villain uses your avatar.

            No, I didn’t notice strangers under my nickname.
            Quote: Captain45
            Because I remember your previous statements and they somehow do not fit with today's?

            The fact is that I have a firm position on this issue. Yes, "children of the mountains" is far from a gift and their mentality is absolutely incompatible with mine. Therefore, knowing the history of this difficult question, I don’t understand the sadomasochism with which Russians regularly cut with them. This question cannot be resolved by force, does history really teach nothing? Want to live free? Yes, please, only behind a high fence, rows of barbed wire and minefields. There is a border with Georgia; please communicate through the world through it.
            Well, what the hell is doggy assimilation? Bring it to life like? They will never forgive, no money will change their relationship. What is youth in Chechnya now? These are the boys and girls who have seen blood, death, fires, bombing since ten years old, who spent their childhood hiding in shells from shells, they did not receive a normal education, almost all of their relatives died in the war. And now they are raising their children passing on to them what they have the most in their heart - HATE.
        2. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 21: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          What do you think it means to bring to life? Shooting every third? Collective flogging on Fridays? And I remembered the old practice that Tukhachevsky used, taking hostages, are you talking about this? And at the expense of assimilating it, how? The total rape of all women in order for the Russians to give birth?


          Is everything all right with your head? Where did you get these “recipes” from? Apparently they copied from the Chechens? So we are not Chechens and we are not likened to savages. Regarding what needs to be done, read above my comments and other participants, everything is suggested there. hi
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 5 October 2013 20: 44 New
      -3
      Quote: repytw
      and he only relocated them for treason, that is, saved.

      Oh how! Grateful to be? Here are the things, but they don’t understand it, curse the mustachioed how much in vain ... In your opinion, the slave should thank his master for cutting off his hand, but could have his head ...
      PS: most of the traitors were among the Russians and Ukrainians, probably in vain Stalin did not resettle them?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 5 October 2013 21: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Nayhas
        In your opinion, the slave should thank his master for the fact that he only cut off his hand to him, but he could have his head ...

        And really it was necessary to cut off the head. Gratitude to the descendants of traitors request
        Quote: Nayhas
        most traitors were
        Did you study interest at school? Or were they kicked out of school earlier? lol
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 5 October 2013 21: 23 New
          -5
          Quote: Misantrop
          Did you study interest at school? Or were they kicked out of school earlier?

          And you measure everything in percent. So count how many percent of the territory of the RSFSR were captured by the Nazis and how many percent of Russians were among the traitors.
          PS: the main question, but what kind of power was it so good that entire nations went against it?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 5 October 2013 22: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: Nayhas
            how many percent of the territory of the RSFSR were occupied by the Nazis and how many percent of the Russians

            Clearly, concepts such as "population density" and the like are something completely beyond the mind request lol
            Quote: Nayhas
            and what kind of power was it so good that whole nations went against it?
            Shitty when more than two thoughts in a row does not fit in the head ... sad It never occurred to me that here, as it were, the authorities were not to blame, but some peoples? The same Crimean Tatars to take. They started betraying as soon as they appeared. First, the Horde, which brought them to Crimea on itself. Then - Russia, never fought FOR her, exclusively - against, as part of ANY intervention. I emphasize that this is not about individual representatives, but about overwhelming percentage nationalities (oh, these percentages ...) Or Poles. In Russia, tsarism, socialism, capitalism, and the Poles both hated and continue ... Or the Bulgarians, how many times they fought for Russia, and how many AGAINST? And also, which is characteristic, regardless of the political system in Russia. The Balts generally hate EVERYONE who has the misfortune to live nearby, this is their traditional request
            Well, some nationalities should not be allowed into a decent society without a muzzle. Since ancient times, they are only used to robbing neighbors from the earliest times. request
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 5 October 2013 23: 40 New
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              Quote: Misantrop
              It never occurred to me that here, as it were, the authorities were not to blame, but some peoples? The same Crimean Tatars to take. They started betraying as soon as they appeared.

              I think an international study should be conducted to identify ethnic groups consisting of potential traitors. Let's start with the letter A, Abkhazia. They lived with the Georgians in the Georgian SSR, and then in Georgia, and decided to betray her, they didn’t like the attitude of the Georgians towards them, but they don’t understand that the Georgians considered them traitors, because they wanted independence, they’re scoundrels, and when the Georgians decided to put things in order, they started shooting at Georgians, driving them out of their houses ... And then a neighboring state attacked and when it brought in its troops, the Abkhazians began to meet them with bread and salt, volunteers went to their army, just like Crimean Tatars ...
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 6 October 2013 11: 03 New
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                Quote: Nayhas
                Lived means with Georgians as part of the Georgian SSR, and then as part of Georgia and decided to betray her
                They banned Google, it seems ... lol When was Abkhazia transferred to Georgia? And did they ask the Abkhaz at the same time, do they want to go under the Georgians? By the way, the Abkhazian language is even in the Guinness Book of Records. One of the oldest existing on the planet and having only 2 vowels. They lived on its even when Georgians threw cones from branches wink And another question, WHAT did this conflict begin with, is it not from the events in Pitsunda, when the Mkhedrioni landing party just started cutting them all in a row? Or did they just have to die "for the glory of Georgia"?

                But where, in fact, in the Caucasus there is a fresh betrayal (also in the letter A), so it’s a little further along the coast, in Adzharia. They betrayed their prince; they sided with Saakashvili. Although even during the USSR this principality did not touch the leadership, the same princely family ruled since ancient times, only positions were changed to him in accordance with the requirements of the political moment wink
                1. Nayhas
                  Nayhas 6 October 2013 20: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  And did they ask the Abkhaz at the same time, do they want to go under the Georgians?

                  But did the Chechens ask if they want to go under Russia? But did the Tatars ask that the Crimean and the Volga, do they want to go under Russia? Yakuts, Buryats, Nivkhs, Chukchi, etc. did someone ask There was such a massacre with the Chukchi, they didn’t want to pay yasak to the Russians, so they forced it. Taki let them mother Russia?
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  They banned Google, it seems ...

                  Thank you, the head is not atrophied ...
  36. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 5 October 2013 20: 36 New
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    I will not go into details about who is Chechen and who is not a member, but I want to know how people in Chechnya relate to meat on beef sticks. I heard that real kebab is only from mutton.

    But the point is, I have a question for Aksakalam:

    in the photo - is this the Hindu rebirth of Zhukov in gray-haired Austria, or the antagonist Zhukov with a ton of money?

    Do you still have the feds from the purgatory, Oleg Pavel’s headquarters didn’t block everything, is intelligence still working?
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 5 October 2013 21: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: Kostya pedestrian
      I want to know how people in Chechnya treat beef stick meat; I heard that real kebab is only from mutton.


      In the Caucasus and in general in the world, barbecue is very cool drinks the best kebab is made from a young lamb, preferably grazed exclusively in alpine meadows ... but the meat is not put on a stick, because it can burn directly on the fire, but on a metal shishlik (skewer) ... this is the word of the Turkic and the word kebab
      there is also a kebab lula .. if you want to taste all kinds of kebabs or kebabs, come to Azerbaijan drinks try kebab and beef ... sturgeon ... and even pork good
  37. Nayhas
    Nayhas 5 October 2013 20: 39 New
    0
    The article should end with a definite conclusion: THIS WILL BE CONTINUED UNTIL THEN ...
  38. Captain45
    Captain45 5 October 2013 20: 42 New
    +1
    But in general, in terms of resolving interethnic relations, I advise you to find and carefully read V.S.Vysotsky’s poem, "Life flew," written in 1978. Read, think, compare with reality. It’s just very big, laziness is written, and the audio is it doesn’t fit on the site.
  39. Captain45
    Captain45 5 October 2013 20: 58 New
    +2
    Here is the ending:
    Memories only disturb me-
    Always one thing: "To the rescue! Guard! ...
    The Germans from the Volga region are beating Chechens,
    And the place of battle is the city of Barnaul.
    When they reached almost to lynching.
    I stood up a mountain for the mountaineers, someone's throat fingering, -
    Both were not from here,
    But they fought - as if for themselves.
    And those who knocked us down on feats
    Long lie and writhe in a coffin, -
    They were all taken there in a car,
    And the most important one flew into the pipe.
  40. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 5 October 2013 21: 18 New
    +1
    I do not think that it is necessary to procrastinate this topic. The enemies of Russia are not wrinkling. Americans do not sleep ...
  41. repytw
    repytw 5 October 2013 21: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Nayhas
    Oh how! Grateful to be? Here are the things, but they don’t understand it, curse the mustachioed how much in vain ... In your opinion, the slave should thank his master for cutting off his hand, but could have his head ...


    How else!!! In my opinion it was necessary dear comrade. It’s easy for Stalin to send troops, to shoot artillery during attacks and shoots from auls, saving your soldiers from enemy fire, or you do not agree with this (50% of the population of Chechnya -).
    Create triplets or military courts that would be sentenced to death, while the military, all who resisted or ignored the instructions of the authorities, up to 16 years old inclusive (another 20% of the population of Chechnya -).
    Under the threat of attack and destruction, sabotage, the entire staff of hospitals and other social infrastructure (shops, grocery stores) should be taken out, they must be protected for the wounded, or you also disagree with this (in winter, the remaining 30% of the population of Chechnya -), but Stalin is not a murderer, he would take the remaining Chechen children dying of hunger and distribute them to orphanages and Suvorov schools, giving new names and surnames (Generalov, Zhukov, Ivanov), I regret that he did not do this, but he could now You do not agree with me that Stalin is a humanist in relation to the nations traitors.
    I think that no matter when there were no more Caucasian wars, it is necessary to do so, just as the humanist comrade Stalin IV did not in 1944
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 5 October 2013 21: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: repytw
      How else!!! In my opinion it was necessary dear comrade. It’s easy for Stalin to send troops, when attacking and shooting from auls, shoot artillery, saving your soldiers from enemy fire, or you do not agree with this (50% of the population of Chechnya -

      Maybe repytw SU Your suggestions will seem tough, even cruel to someone, but in essence you are right. And what if you do not understand what to do?
  42. Lissa
    Lissa 5 October 2013 21: 38 New
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    Quote: os9165
    Well you are wrong. The animals will remain animals. People will remain people. The area is important. Your decisions And immodest question were you there? "Worked" with them? There are very worthy people, but they are few.


    L.N. Tolstoy: "One of the most common misconceptions is to consider people as good, evil, stupid, smart. A person flows, and there are all possibilities in him: he was stupid, became smart, was angry, became good, and vice versa. This is the greatness of man "And you cannot judge a person from this. Which one? You have condemned, but he’s already different. You can’t say: I don’t like. You said, but it’s different."
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 22: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Lissa
      Quote: os9165
      Well you are wrong. The animals will remain animals. People will remain people. The area is important. Your decisions And immodest question were you there? "Worked" with them? There are very worthy people, but they are few.


      L.N. Tolstoy: "One of the most common misconceptions is to consider people as good, evil, stupid, smart. A person flows, and there are all possibilities in him: he was stupid, became smart, was angry, became good, and vice versa. This is the greatness of man "And you cannot judge a person from this. Which one? You have condemned, but he’s already different. You can’t say: I don’t like. You said, but it’s different."

      It turns out to any bad deed, as well as the person who committed these acts can you find an excuse? You can go so far, justify anything, the world cannot be only in semitones, you need to start from something, black and white are the basis of everything. So it is possible to judge and yes it is necessary otherwise there will be no way out. After reading “War and Peace”, you begin to appreciate the positive qualities and actions of people even more and hate the negative even more. I recommend reading, and not pulling out of context. Change, correct, acknowledge, conquer your essence - not many have been given.
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 5 October 2013 22: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Lissa
      L.N. Tolstoy: “One of the most common misconceptions is to consider people as good, evil, stupid, smart. A person flows, and there are all possibilities in him: he was stupid, became smart, was angry, became good, and vice versa. In this the greatness of man. And from this one cannot judge a man. Which one? You have condemned, but he is already different. You can’t even say: I don’t like. You said, but it’s different. "

      Ma'am, I sympathize with you. Are you a sweatshirt? Unfortunately, your time has passed (Tolstoyans) "They don’t take such astronauts!" Open your eyes, girl! I will be very sorry if you adhere to Tolstoy principles. Life is harsh, sometimes cruel and terrible thing. But this is life. Either you accept it or it rejects you. The choice is yours.
  43. Lissa
    Lissa 5 October 2013 21: 58 New
    +1
    What some cruel methods of solving problems. And I still fly through Moscow. Fearfully. Comments are really anti-Caucasian. Propaganda is tough. Would you direct your energy to solving real problems in Russia and then the problems with Caucasians and illegal immigrants would be solved in a civilized way.


    Quote: Hermann Goering
    "... But, in the end, politics is determined by those who are in power, and people will easily go where they will be driven, even under democracy, even under fascist dictatorship, even under parliamentarism, even under communists.

    Whether they vote or not, people can always be persuaded to what rulers want. It's simple. You just need to say that the enemy is preparing to attack, and shut up the pacifists, announcing that they do not like their homeland and throw it in trouble.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 5 October 2013 22: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Lissa
      What some cruel methods of solving problems. And I still fly through Moscow. Scary.

      Fly, don’t be afraid. On one of the branches from 01.10 I set out my impressions of the Domodedovo airport, there’s nothing to be afraid of. They love babaev.
    2. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 22: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Lissa
      What some cruel methods of solving problems. And I still fly through Moscow. Fearfully. Comments are really anti-Caucasian.


      Where and where to fly? What are you afraid of?
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 6 October 2013 00: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Lissa
      What some cruel methods of solving problems. And I still fly through Moscow. Fearfully. Comments are really anti-Caucasian.

      As for flying, you don’t even have to worry, but do not pay attention to the comments, on some sites there are a bunch of anti-Russian comments, with the same proposals to solve the problem. On the Internet, all warriors .... smile
  44. Captain45
    Captain45 5 October 2013 22: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Nayhas
    Yes, please, only behind a high fence, rows of barbed wire and minefields. There is a border with Georgia; please communicate through the world through it.
    Well, what the hell is doggy assimilation?

    You will be surprised, but it was precisely this opinion that came to me after a business trip to the zone of the Ossetian-Ingush conflict in Vladikavkaz. Returning to the question of colleagues what to do, he proposed to fence the Caucasus with a concrete wall of a meter in 4 with a barb under current, drive the 5-6 trains with weapons, and after 2 of the year open the gate and shout: "Ay, Armenians! Ay, Georgians! "And in response, silence, we would have cut ourselves out. Armenians. Georgians, that’s the way, because the Caucasus was then associated with these nationalities.
  45. aud13
    aud13 5 October 2013 22: 35 New
    +2
    The situation in Chechnya today by chance does not resemble the situation in Chechnya before the war, which is described above in the article, when they crawled into the government, and then at hour X they simply cut out all the others.
    I think that most of the problems could be, if not avoided, then at least many times reduced if the state adequately performed its functions. And so - we say that in the thirties during food surpluses there were riots in the Caucasus. And what about Russia, Ukraine, etc. were they not there?
    We say that in the year 90 gangsterism swept over? But in the rest of Russia, there was a disgrace in the full program. Maybe primitive banditry was less - but theft and other outrages were all the time.
    Partially, it seems to me that the solution to the problem slipped into the article itself - which said that the Caucasians themselves put forward a confrontation with the Abreks - who were tired of these bandits who prevented them from living.
    I also don’t think that everyone who was born and raised in the Caucasus should be cut with one comb. Anyone who sees their future in civilized development must be supported and relied on.
    And the one who is against - you know, you have to say goodbye to them.
  46. Lissa
    Lissa 5 October 2013 22: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Nayhas
    What is youth in Chechnya now? These are the boys and girls who have seen blood, death, fires, bombing since ten years old, who spent their childhood hiding in shells from shells, they did not receive a normal education, almost all of their relatives died in the war. And now they are raising their children passing on to them what they have the most in their heart - HATE.


    Unfortunately, you are right, but in part. But not everyone hates it. I know guys and girls whose brothers and sisters died, someone even has a parent / s, but these people have enough intelligence and kindness not to transfer the blame for the pain they inflicted on the whole Russian people. Many of them get along well with the Russians. There are even public figures Caucasians and Russians who organize events with the participation of Russians and Caucasians to establish friendly relations between peoples. THIS IS I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT!

    True, I have one friend. She lost a lot of relatives in the war (four uncles, a younger brother). Lives abroad. Once they touched on the topic of communication with Russian speakers and with Russians, she said with tears in her eyes that she did not want to communicate with the Russians: "They caused so much pain to our family that I do not want to have anything to do with them." I did not persuade her, I realized that a person has a psychological trauma and it is better for me not to heal her wound.

    One American professor in one of his lectures on aggression and terrorism proposed the following solutions to conflicts between nations:

    1. “In the long run, education and socialization are very important. So that future generations do not see each other as enemies, and violence is the means of solving problems.
    2. In the short term, see picture. I especially liked his words when he reached the point “Export medical equipment”. I pass his words from memory:

    “I believe that exporting medical equipment instead of military weapons is the most effective way to defuse a conflict situation. If thanks to this equipment someone doesn’t have to amputate their leg, or someone’s sister will be able to see again, or someone’s child will survive, it’s the best way to win over people. It’s very difficult to hate a country that helps you. "

    And you know, Chechens who received help from Russian doctors who came in the war and after the war and treated seriously ill children and adults greatly appreciate this help. And it is precisely such actions that can change the worldview and attitude of people towards each other. The methods that you propose here — cutting, driving — will not bring anything good to Russia as a whole.
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 5 October 2013 23: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Lissa
      One American professor in one of his lectures on aggression and terrorism proposed the following solutions to conflicts between nations:

      Like your American professor (they found someone to set as an example)) you are apparently far from reality or don’t understand what’s happening - Russia pulled Chechnya out of the Stone Age, revived it, rebuilt Grozny - what the hell is medical equipment when we pump tens of billions into it every year , many are skating like butter in cheese at the expense of ordinary Russians - and how did this solve the problem, what is the best way they began to relate to us? Appreciate our help?
      Do you describe it as if there were losses in every family - is that where our troops were engaged in carpet bombing like Americans in Vietnam? It's a lie. No need to make a sacrifice of them. Most got what they deserved. There can be no excuse for their wild behavior and barbaric deeds.
  47. yacht
    yacht 5 October 2013 23: 53 New
    +2
    How right was Stalin to deport the Chechens. Moreover, in the places of settlement all their teips were mixed and spread over different settlements.
  48. Lissa
    Lissa 6 October 2013 00: 04 New
    -3
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Russia pulled Chechnya out of the Stone Age, revived it, rebuilt Grozny


    In ancient times, there was an Islamic civilization. At that time, this civilization was the engine of progress, and many Islamic scholars contributed to the development of science. The numbers that we use today for reference will be considered, by the way, Arabic.

    Now imagine an Arab who screams at the top of his neck that, if it weren’t for the Arabs and the Muslims, then the Western world would sit, and indeed the whole world is still in the Stone Age. Is funny Me too. Everything is changing. Today, Arabs go to study in Europe and America.

    Chesslovo, tired of your "led out of the Stone Age." Solid deja vu.

    what the hell is medical equipment when we pump tens of billions into it every year, many skate there like cheese in butter at the expense of ordinary Russians - and how did this solve the problem, what better they began to relate to us? Appreciate our help?


    Exactly what the hell medical equipment! I’m not saying that you need to transport medical equipment. I want to draw your attention to the proposed ways of resolving conflict situations. Think a little more abstractly, comrade;)

    By “many,” you mean Kadyrov’s. Ha! Found many. : - / Look at Moscow, you might also think that all of Russia is swimming in money.


    You describe it as if there were losses in every family - is that where our troops were doing carpet bombing like Americans in Vietnam? It's a lie. No need to make a sacrifice of them. Most got what they deserved.


    sad I would be more than glad if that were so.
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 6 October 2013 12: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Lissa
      Chesslovo, tired of your "led out of the Stone Age." Solid deja vu.

      Is this Chechnya or something representative of a great Islamic civilization? Just don’t tell. Arabs for some reason dragged. request

      Think a little more abstractly, comrade;)
      invite me to think over for you, unfortunately I didn’t learn to read thoughts, apparently unlike you - you are our genius defender of the Chechens of the “representatives” of the “great” Arab civilization hi Regarding the path proposed by you, and even from the words of some American ignoramus, probably funded by the CIA or the State Department - leave this recipe for the minds of a fragile type of yours, and we will figure it out somehow. Chechnya has already been overwhelmed with various help and money so that their representatives dictate their barbaric rules on the streets of our cities, absolutely disregarding our customs and norms. hi

      By “many,” you mean Kadyrov’s. Ha! Found many. : - / Look at Moscow, you might also think that all of Russia is swimming in money.
      By many, I meant many, and not only Kadyrov’s, do not distort from helplessness. 60 billion a year, let them return to Chechnya and "buy". There is nothing to feed the Chechen bandits, thieves and loafers. hi
  49. Lissa
    Lissa 6 October 2013 00: 06 New
    -1
    Quote: yacht
    How right was Stalin to deport the Chechens. Moreover, in the places of settlement all their teips were mixed and spread over different settlements.


    Stalin not only deported Chechens. With all the other nations, too, right? ;)
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 6 October 2013 12: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Lissa
      Stalin not only deported Chechens. With all the other nations, too, right? ;)


      From Stalin, it would be nice to learn our grief from the rulers - he was not afraid to make tough decisions.
  50. Ols76
    Ols76 6 October 2013 05: 11 New
    +1
    great article, thanks!