120 mm self-propelled gun on the Wolf chassis

In the corporate video on the results of operations of the Nizhny Novgorod "JSC" Central Research Institute "Petrel" in 2013 year, among other things, lit up "model sample developed" Petrel "120-mm self-propelled gun on the chassis of the wheel (6h6) armored vehicle MIC-39373" Wolf-3 "(Chassis developer - OOO Military Engineering Center of the Military Industrial Company holding Russian Machines). As you can see, the 120-mm gun of this system is a modified swinging part of the 120-mm towed gun 2B16" Nona-B ".

A prototype model of a 120-mm self-propelled gun on the wheel chassis (6х6) of an armored vehicle VPK-39373 "Volk-3" (c) of the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" developed by TsNII Burevestnik OJSC

Comments

[moremansf]

Interesting machine !!! A good gift to our gunners !!! Only now while the layout ... that test show ... We will wait for the news !!!

[igor.borov775]

Yes, there is already a mobile option, No fresh thoughts and technologies, we all hang out where a niche is occupied, Export is another matter, What a shame it seems there is a sample of VEGA,

[A.YARY]

Oops - I’m pretty!
And the idea is not bad for the infantry and not only ....

[Genry]

This can be useful only for anti-terrorist operations, where you need a couple of shots, from a safe distance, slowly, to ruin a house or fortification.

For large-scale military operations, you need a howitzer with a multiple-charge breech (mobile battery), for quick shooting of 5 or more shells, within 30 seconds and leaving the scene (front-line use, for firing at your troops, with the probability of resistance from the enemy).

[ed65b]

Quote: Genry

This can be useful only for anti-terrorist operations, where you need a couple of shots, from a safe distance, slowly, to ruin a house or fortification.

Rather, they will do it for them. Arrived and fallen down, Mobility is high.

[DEfindER]

Quote: Genry

This may only be useful for counter-terrorism operations.

It seems so, because how it will hit with direct fire is generally unclear, only shoot with a parachute or something .. But as a mobile mortar, the campaign is ideal ..

[Vasek]

Quote: DEfindER

It seems so, because how it will hit with direct fire is generally unclear, only shoot with a parachute or something .. But as a mobile mortar, the campaign is ideal ..

Maybe it is rotary (for "direct fire")?
But in general - really, why carry a gun if you can carry it?
I like it too...

[matross]

Quote: Genry

you need a howitzer with a multiple-charge breech (mobile battery), for quick shooting of 5 or more shells, for 30 seconds and leaving the scene

The rate of fire of Nona 8-10 rounds per minute. What does not suit you?

[Basileus]

Price. Why BB or special forces Nona, when such a machine is enough?

[StolzSS]

If you need to destroy a house with a 100 mm BMP-3 cannon, it’s quite coping, so it’s not a new city, but such a machine will also work for a war in Africa ..

[AVV]

Our craftsmen savvy not a flea, but the whole Wolf !!! Class!

[Gluxar_]

Quote: moremansf

Interesting machine !!! A good gift to our gunners !!! Only now while the layout ... that test show ... We will wait for the news !!!

And what is the interest then? How does this option differ from towed? What is the profit?
The car is more for "wheelbarrow lovers". All the same, I want more advanced and universal samples. For example, with automatically controlled AGS, then this is really serious support for the infantry.
In this case, the idea is interesting, for a mobile breakthrough and gain. But what ammunition does it carry? What a reservation, so as not to undermine the entire ammunition case. What calculation, who gives target designation, how is communication and target designation carried out?

There are many questions, the fact is that an intermediate link between "real" and manual artillery has been looking for a long time ... but is it really necessary?

[avt]

Quote: Gluxar_

And what is the interest then? How does this option differ from towed? What is the profit?

Outstripped. You can only add a question - how to direct horizontally? Again in the stowed position and turn the car around ?? And if there is no place to turn around - on the gas and tick? For me - a commercial ersatz for the impressionable at the exhibition, maybe someone will bite. The car does not pull on a full-fledged self-propelled gun, well, do not install, let alone a tower - you cannot make a sector wider. It would be better just to have the "Wolf" in tow with a calculation and a minimum ammunition load, but the car itself would be brought to mind faster and the tests would have passed.

[vladkavkaz]

moremansf
I looked at the comments, it’s all negative, but for me ... if I could put this car in STAT, SME, as battalion artillery, from the experience of two conflicts in the Chechen Republic, it would not have a price.
The existing Cornflowers with a 82 mm caliber-bullshit tear on the slate of the sheds, not reaching the target. 120mm mortars, some kind of blow, removed from the ministry battalions.
Regimental means are forever reduced to DAG, rarely PAG, and until you get back ...
But everything, as always, rests against the structure that we are in charge of the states, there is a feeling gathered by those who didn’t smell gunpowder for a while, but in general the states give birth on the principle that the worse the better ..
The existing ROOPs in SMEs are nonsense, not the right unit.
At least someone, someday, would listen to those who fought and fulfill their requirements and not the requirements of any parketsharkun commanders ...

[Dwarfik]

Listen friends! I do not know the characteristics and test results, but I like it! As support for land operations local - like it!

[igor.borov775]

What you like, explain there is a better option, Recently, one thought has been gnawing after the collapse of domestic science, all this is a long-gone option, Already more than 20 years running NONA what else is needed, there is a VEGA option and science does not stand still, Nothing breakthrough if exported to hot countries, yes

[URAL72]

Reliable and proven art part on a cheap and mobile chassis, we can not expensively (and isn’t it important now?) To increase the number of weakly vulnerable (not armor here, but mobility, coagulation-deployment time) artillery. A plus.

[Hikar]

I wonder where to put the ammunition when driving? or carry a cart

[lelikas]

Most likely in the side boxes, and in the "cabin" there should be room.
Well, nobody canceled the cart in the form of "Ural"

[predator.3]

this gun does not look on the "wolf", it is better as it is!
And the "wolf" is better than ATGM or MANPADS.

[SibRUS]

For the Arabs with their carts the very thing!
The car is more suitable for bandits - shot and washed off!

[ed65b]

Quote: SibRUS

For the Arabs with their carts the very thing!
The car is more suitable for bandits - shot and washed off!

Well, why is there a variant from the recent past

[TS3sta3]

and even from the long past

[Dardanec]

Everything is correct, so it can even be used as an anti-tank ...

[31231]

I absolutely agree. Sculpting an infantry armored car and a BB artillery is stupid. For single shots there are ATGMs. And here we need a sighting and carry ammunition inside and artillery still somewhere to land.

[alone]

Exactly the same 105mm was made by the Chinese. And there was an article about it. Only for some reason the Chinese sample was called stupid and meaningless. Let's see what they say about the domestic product)

[Onizuka teacher]

Chinese 122 mm.

[TS3sta3]

I saw it. and?

[samoletil18]

Quote: lonely

Exactly the same 105mm was made by the Chinese. And there was an article about it. Only for some reason the Chinese sample was called stupid and meaningless. Let's see what they say about the domestic product)

Well, I myself wanted to mention this article. There, my review was in the context of the popular and washed away. But I got, I didn’t get ... In general, if a Chinese is cheaper, Africans, it is clear that they will choose.

[120352]

Is it more reliable on wheels than on tracks, on our off-road? And what, these wheels from bullets and fragments do not deflate? And the caliber of something is small: 120mm. After all, there were already 152 mm guns.? I’m just not an artilleryman, but I know the numbers, but here you can’t see progress in them.

[Evgeny_Lev]

Well, the BE is a technician for his tasks.
And why is this 120 mm is not enough?
The normal landmine for this caliber is.

In terms of supply, yes, the question is, but I think there is a cargo variant of the Wolf, with a body. On the battery a couple - three pieces and norms like it should be.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Evgeny_Lev

In terms of supply, yes, the question is, but I think there is a cargo variant of the Wolf, with a body. On the battery a couple - three pieces and norms like it should be.

And what is the point then? All the same, light armored vehicles are special equipment, mainly for reconnaissance. The presence of AGS and several ATGMs in the "luggage" compartment should be more than enough for the "saboteurs" to work. To count on the success of a breakthrough of lightly armored vehicles and the occupation of some serious milestones ... this is some kind of mess, no sense, not the level.

[wasjasibirjac]

weight 152 mm. guns pretended? his return? wheeled vehicle, in principle, can and can withstand 1-2 rounds of 152 mm. howitzers, and then most likely the wheels apart. here the caliber is less, so the weight and return are less and much. This machine is probably suitable for arming light brigades and airborne forces, where there is no way to use the normal D-30. judging by the presence of a horizontal handwheel, horizontal guidance is possible within certain limits. the shells will be located in the side armored boxes, the calculation of 3 people + driver, in the position can serve as a carrier of ammunition, because I did not notice the automatic loading mechanism. but without more or less complete performance characteristics of the machine there is nothing to argue about.

[svp67]

Of course, it’s good that they are developing it, but in such a way, it’s better to leave it in museums ... How to quickly fire horizontally at large angles, how long it takes, how to shoot direct fire, especially at negative angles and is it even possible this is? There are many questions, but the answer = not enough ...

[lelikas]

Quote: svp67

There are many questions, but the answer = not enough ...

Do not consider this papelats as a wheeled tank - it is a wheeled mortar.

[luiswoo]

Quote: lelikas

Do not consider this papelats as a wheeled tank - it is a wheeled mortar.

The wheel mortar is this:

And at the base of the Wolf they riveted something from the category of "non-fish-non-meat"

[evil hamster]

Quote: svp67

There are many questions, but the answer = not enough ...

This is because such questions.

Quote: svp67

How to make quick aiming horizontally at large angles

as in a towed mortar.

Quote: svp67

how long will it take

fold the stove, turn it, lay the stove => profit

Quote: svp67

how to shoot direct fire

as well as from a towed mortar - no way.

[svp67]

Quote: evil hamster

as in a towed mortar.

But the artillery system used in it

a modified swinging part of the 120-mm towed gun 2B16 "Nona-B".

No longer MORTAR ... Or rather, not only mortar, in fact its value ...

Quote: evil hamster

as in a towed mortar.

So yes not so, I think time will be spent twice as much ...

Quote: evil hamster

put the stove on, turn it over, lay out the stove => profit

And in tow it is made much easier and most importantly faster ...

Quote: evil hamster

as well as from a towed mortar - no way.

Who told you that?

Ballistic installation of a 120 mm rifled combined gun (in the version of recoilless guns), 1970

[evil hamster]

Quote: svp67

No longer MORTAR ... Or rather, not only mortar, in fact its value ...

It shoots like a mortar and not otherwise (since we are talking about None-B)

Quote: svp67

So yes not so, I think time will be spent twice as much ...

Well, technically, it’s quite possible to organize quite decent aiming angles on such a panzer, if Caesars and Archers are in the range of + - 30 and this is with their high chassis, 155 cannons with high ballistics, then with a low ballistic gun and cool trajectories can be obtained if desired + -45. Do not forget - this is a prototype, the military will like the idea - the idea will not develop, they will not like it, they will not find a foreign customer - that means not fate.

Quote: svp67

And in tow it is made much easier and most importantly faster ...

We lose in the maneuver by fire, we win in the speed of deployment of coagulation - actually for a number of units and tasks it may make sense, don’t you?

Quote: svp67

Who told you that?

Ahrenet, the victory of engineering over common sense. Is it serial? Do you have any troops? In practice, ever used? Shells / grenades available for this case? And the main question, but it just needs to, is it necessary to sculpt LNG from a mortar in modern conditions?

[svp67]

Quote: evil hamster

We lose in the maneuver by fire, we win in the speed of deployment of coagulation - actually for a number of units and tasks it may make sense, don’t you?

Then it’s better not ...
NONA - ICS
For firing from the 2A60 gun, the same ammunition is used as for the towed 2B16 gun and self-propelled 2A51.
Maximum firing range:
~ high-explosive fragmentation shell - 8,85 km,
~ high-explosive fragmentation mine - 7,15 km,
~ high-explosive high-explosive projectile - 12,8 km.
Minimum firing range:
~ high-explosive fragmentation shell - 1,7 km,
~ mine - 0,45 km.
The maximum aiming rate of fire is 8-10 rds / min.
Cumulative projectile at ranges up to 1000 m punching a browne plate over 90 mm thick located at an angle of 650 °.
I don’t think that they shoot only at a hinged trajectory ...
So that there are shells and tasks may arise ...

[evil hamster]

Well, this is understandable, but the point is to sculpt Nona on the Wolf - cheap, easy, small-sized. Nona SVK - a full-fledged self-propelled mortar, is not particularly light and not small. Actually, something only on the Boomerang chassis should in theory become the battalion artillery of the new medium brigades, as I understand it. Is the presented panzer-mock a clear hint of what is planned? light brigades (if they are still planned of course) on the Wolves proper.

[svp67]

Wait and see...
Yes, and NONA is not a mortar, but something NEW ...

Quote: evil hamster

on the boomerang chassis

Great success for them ... the right thing ... And probably we should no longer be guided by NONA, but by VIENNA ...

[sds555]

By the way, new information about the combat module for the Boomerang appeared, today there was an arms show in Tula, and he flashed there

[sds555]

Here is another photo

[sds555]

Here's another interesting video at 18:30 you can see the model of the sau on the Armata and Kamaz platform, about the 2a88 gun it’s also interesting

[sds555]

And here is something interesting for the sau at 13:20 and others.

[Astral]

Quote: sds555

Here's another interesting video at 18:30 you can see the model of the sau on the Armata and Kamaz platform, about the 2a88 gun it’s also interesting

in this video, the coalition is spotlighted in the finished version

[sds555]

This is what I meant: "Coalition" is a sau on the unified platform "Armata"

[sds555]

Impression for GDP

[sds555]

In more detail about showing the technique of GDP

[Astral]

Share information about the Flamaste anti-helicopter sniper system.

[sds555]

Unfortunately, there is practically no information about this complex

[sds555]

A bit more

[sds555]

The stages of development of combat modules for the BTT, by the way, apparently this is the final form, BMP Kurganets, Putin will not show bullshit (the very first one is "Berezhok")

[sds555]

There is still such a photo

[PLO]

This self-propelled guns is an initiative development of the Petrel, so it has nothing to do with the planned light brigades.

in any case, this self-propelled guns in our army is absolutely not needed, except that the explosives will be bought, but even for them such a system is not needed, the absence of an SLA makes it ineffective

[svp67]

Quote: evil hamster

In practice, ever used? Shells / grenades available for this case?

Domestic 120-mm rounds for firing from the 2S9 Nona-S cannon. From left to right: with shells with ready-made protrusions - 3OF49 high-explosive fragmentation shells with a steel body and 3OF50 high-explosive fragmentation explosive; with a guided projectile ("Kitolov-2"); with feathered high-explosive 120 mm mines 3OF34 and OF843B (with cast-iron hull)

[evil hamster]

And what actually of these shells can be used using the above shit thing?

[svp67]

Quote: evil hamster

And what actually of these shells can be fired using the piece given above?

So I wonder ...

[svp67]

Quote: evil hamster

as well as from a towed mortar - no way.

The experience of firing mortars at small elevation angles with emphasis on wood. Luga artillery range.

The experience of firing a mortar at low elevation angles with emphasis on an earthen mound. Luga artillery range.

[evil hamster]

Thank you very interesting photos. However, regarding the issue under discussion, is there any practical sense? According to the suddenly appeared armored vehicles, one doesn’t shoot like that, for some stationary purposes - this is the same story, the initial speed is IMHO somewhere around 320 m / s, which means a direct shot range of 450-500 meters is likely. So if necessary, something hit it on the flat path it’s something it should not be far away otherwise the flatness will not work, and so close that the calculation may be in the range of the enemy’s hand guns. But is it even necessary? If you are an artilleryman, could you describe a case when such a thing is necessary and impossible to dispense with an RPG, ATGM, fit a tank or self-propelled guns for direct fire?
P.S. By the way, the above-described ersatz can also, in principle, be driven back to the hill, the question is why.

[kind]

You can’t shoot directly, it’s closer to the mortar. Most likely the barrel is smooth without rifling judging by the recoil for such a caliber.

[Evgeny_Lev]

Nona is rifled.

[Moore]

120-mm gun 2B16 "NONA-K". Introduced into service in 1986. The weapon is designed to defeat enemy manpower, weapons and military equipment in the interests of the airborne assault brigade.

Gunners, explain why this is on a wheelbase? Hit and washed off? And really, how can I shoot direct fire from this?

[wanderer_032]

On a wheelbase, it makes sense to create such self-propelled guns only if there is a need to equip units of your army with homogeneous (wheeled or tracked) equipment, for mobility.

This gun is not intended to be aimed directly at, it is not its task.
The main objective for such guns is the fire support of artillery fire mobile units in offensive operations (hence the installation on a wheeled chassis).

By the way, someone mentioned ammunition here. A characteristic feature of the NONA guns of all types is the ability to fire any 120mm mines, including NATO ones.

[BOB48]

Down and Out trouble started!

[RBLip]

Quote: BOB48

Down and Out trouble started!

beginning, sorry, what?
and the device resembles this

[kind]

this unit will be more practical.

[RBLip]

I think so. although ... a wolf for some kind of conditional Syria-Pakistan will be completely nothing ...

[SibRUS]

Attempts to create such machines began even before the start of the Second World War, but there were no mass applications of them.

[AlexxNik]

normal landmine, if there is a Nonovskiy ammunition, then its power is almost equal to 152mm artillery bomb, due to the thin walls of shells with preliminary cutting. the only thing I did not like was the small clearance, maybe it changes on the march.

[Flooding]

Quote: AlexxxNik

the only thing I didn’t like was the small clearance, maybe it changes on the march

Well, this is one of the well-known features of the "Wolf" family - variable ground clearance.

[avdkrd]

Quote: 120352

Is it more reliable on wheels than on tracks, on our off-road? And what, these wheels from bullets and fragments do not deflate? And the caliber of something is small: 120mm. After all, there were already 152 mm guns.? I’m just not an artilleryman, but I know the numbers, but here you can’t see progress in them.

this car has its own niche and its own market. In any case, this is better than a towed AU. Caliber is not enough for what? It is unlikely that this car will be positioned as self-propelled guns for tank troops, but for mobile brigades it is. Interesting pointing angles and the ability to shoot direct fire. An interesting car with a very powerful gun.

[alexwolf63]

An unsuccessful layout, when firing from the wheels it will jump, it will be difficult to load the gun, without a mechanical supply of ammunition, the gun will get dirty off-road, and direct fire is structurally absent. Judging by the photo, the angles of fire are limited, it looks like more "mortar" than a full-fledged howitzer.

[lelikas]

Quote: alekswolf63

An unsuccessful layout, when firing from the wheels it will jump, it will be difficult to load the gun, without a mechanical supply of ammunition, the gun will get dirty off-road, and direct fire is structurally absent. Judging by the photo, the angles of fire are limited, it looks like more "mortar" than a full-fledged howitzer.

Shooting only from the stop - where to jump - then, for good, no one will shoot.
In the open space, it is easier to charge it than sitting in the tower of NONA, the dirt problems still with PMV, the tarp successfully solves.
With corners - at least 90 he definitely has, no more
but the military needs to say whether this device is needed or not, although they need everything that shoots, and even they need wheels.

[Dwarfik]

Most likely, this technique was conceived as a support fire engine, according to the principle of mortar calculation, but mobile. Naturally, it does not replace a full-fledged Art installation, but as an addition in local collisions, I think it will fit perfectly. In any case, there is not enough information, we will wait for additional information!

[mountain]

In, I have not seen such a monster. With pleasure, I will wait, further fate, of this weapon.

[Arh]

I believe that the Wolf, Tiger, Kamaz Typhoon, Shot, Bear, Scorpio and other similar machines must walk on water, be amphibians! ! !

[lelikas]

And still low to fly and self-digging on command.
Most modern floating cars have problems accessing an un-equipped shore, if there is no beach there, they can hardly fight with a strong current, it is better to spend the volume on something more useful.

[Basileus]

This is definitely better than a towed mortar, although it costs accordingly. As for direct fire - interestingly, the authors of these comments shot direct fire from a mortar?))

[Evgeny_Lev]

Nona shoots with both mines and shells.

[Evgeny_Lev]

Nona shoots with both mines and shells.

[lelikas]

Quote: Basileus

the authors of these comments shot a direct fire from a mortar?))

Judging by the number of people wishing to direct fire, they only do it every day.

[avg]

Quote: lelikas

Judging by the number of people wishing to direct fire, they only do it every day.

Nona can fire direct fire using a 3BK19 projectile. The initial velocity of the 3BK19 cumulative projectile (called “Approach-2” during the development, the projectile weight was 13,2 kg) is 560 m / s, which allows for effective firing at targets of the “main tank” type at a range of up to 600 m. 600 mm

[Basileus]

I'm afraid that only the combat module of the self-propelled Nona is worth half that wolf)

[Pelican]

Dead end idea. For such a machine, the tool is redundant. It would be better to experiment with, for example, an 82mm "Cornflower".

[lelikas]

Quote: Pelican

Dead end idea. For such a machine, the tool is redundant. It would be better to experiment with, for example, an 82mm "Cornflower".

From the exhibition of models flashed shots of "Tiger" with this flower.

[Russ69]

Quote: Pelican

For such a machine, the tool is redundant. It would be better to experiment with an example with 82mm "Cornflower".

A mortar probably would have been better ... Interestingly, this development is on its own initiative or by order of the Moscow Region.

[VL33]

A good machine in the army is larger and closer to the border. :)))

[Corsair]

Judging by the photo, the cannon will be able to fire "direct fire" only by "substituting" the side projection of the "Wolf" ...
Or not? Maybe she has a narrow "external specialization"? Then why is it necessary?
What are your options (opinions)?

[Field]

They outplayed the tanks?

[avg]

Last century. Rather, an advertising move. The main thing for them is to push their base under anything.

Quote: Corsair

What are your options (opinions)?

[Basileus]

Does the phrase "internal troops" tell you anything?

[Basileus]

Does the phrase "internal troops" tell you anything?

[Salamander]

Give such fluff to Kalina!

[Zordan]

Nice unit!

[nazgul-ishe]

A lot of tools of all kinds and different. It would be a good tool, and specialists will find him application.

[evil hamster]

In the movie from where the image data actually lit up a lot of interesting things, a 57 mm sea gun, a coalition mining stand (a tower with a barrel, a separate barrel, and possibly parts of the az)

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, what they say in Russia: the third grade is not a marriage!

[REDBLUE]

Something seems to me this matter is some kind of Kulibin in his garage bungled.

[Chicot 1]

It seems like a pretty self-propelled gun turned out. In principle (in theory) it can be very useful in mountain infantry (mountain infantry) units ...
But, as they say, "theory, my friend is dry, and the tree of life turns green." And only practice can give an exhaustive answer to the question whether such self-propelled guns are needed in our army. Or at least thorough testing of it in the troops ...

[Cherdak]

Prove to me that this is not a "creative find" of the next "creative managers" who admire the Swedish design of the useless Archer? Where are they going to use this miracle besides parades? What are the greenhouse conditions? And what convoy with outposts should accompany such beauty?

THERE IS A 120-mm SELF-PROPELLED AUTOMATED WEAPON “VIENNA”

Its deployment and use are clear.

[Salamander]

This is a project so far, it is unlikely to be adopted. But it’s interesting to see ...

[Basileus]

To begin with, there are no veins yet. And he ended up costing by no means cheaper than a pair of sabzha wolves.

[Our]

How not? They are already being sold and put to mine in Azerbaijan.

[Basileus]

In the army there is only an installation party, in the BB - not at all. The army chose to buy the Host, which Vienna is not suitable for soles.

[Al_lexx]

An interesting solution, in the format of local conflicts and the fight against gangs.

[JonnyT]

the news is yet another proof that the domestic military-industrial complex is not sitting idle) ...... it is strange of course that they turned their attention to wheeled self-propelled guns .... on the arms market in this segment France, Germany, South Africa, Israel ... so just so you can’t enter the market ...... it remains only to wish good luck!

[wanderer_032]

The idea is interesting of course.
But why was the gun installed like that? After all, in order to bring him ready for firing, you need to perform many operations.
1. Find a suitable place for firing (since there are no side supports, you will either have to look for a flat area, or prepare it with a trench tool).
2. Set self-propelled guns at a firing position.
3.Prepare self-propelled guns for firing (uncover the barrel, establish a sight, get shells, and aim at the target). At the same time, I do not see automated LMS here (it seems that the gunner can work only with optics).
4. Open fire on readiness (by order).
Wouldn’t it be better to place the gun on a platform with hinged sides (thereby increasing the area of ​​the gun’s support) above the rear axles, providing the self-propelled guns with an additional 2 side supports and an automated ballistic control system (for faster alerting and better firing accuracy), and the same electric guidance (add.).
One gets the impression that this is a very budget (if not for the WOLF-3 chassis) version of the "NONA-S".
Probably by order of some Middle Eastern country whose delivery time for such weapons is running out.
In my opinion, the "NONA-S" on the BMD chassis (BMP, armored personnel carrier) will be an order of magnitude better than the ACS in this version.

[wanderer_032]

PS It would be nice to add a planning dump as well (to prepare the sites, otherwise you won’t get a shovel).

[Vasek]

Quote: wanderer_032

PS It would be nice to add a planning dump as well (to prepare the sites, otherwise you won’t get a shovel).

Or immediately on the basis of a bulldozer / grader / scraper!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Vasek

Or immediately on the basis of a bulldozer / grader / scraper!

You can stick to this "peaceful tractor" (does anyone know what is this at all? )

[KG_patriot_last]

can remote minesweeper

[Owl]

How much "ammunition load"? Why did you choose a vehicle of small dimensions and not widespread in the Armed Forces and Explosives? If due to its autotransportability, then the IL-76 (the main vehicle of the VTA) takes objects that are large in size and weight. Most likely, the WOLF is "untwisted". My personal opinion: for mobile units of the Armed Forces and Explosives, an armored "Ural" with a gun (120-152 mm) is more suitable, on such a machine it is possible to install a more powerful weapon, and a larger ammunition vehicle, and, following the example of Sweden, an automatic loader can be installed (for rapid fire and subsequent change of position), and defensive anti-aircraft small arms can be installed.

[Cherdak]

see Self-propelled artillery installations around the world (wheeled systems)

http://3mv.ru/publ/vooruzhenie_drugikh_stran/samokhodnye_artillerijskie_ustanovk

i_vsego_mira_kolesnye_sistemy / 13-1-0-9133

A rather controversial fashion for the introduction of wheeled artillery self-propelled systems based on the experience of military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[abc_alex]

What prevents to carry the BC on the second "Wolf"? Say, equipped with engineering facilities? You understand that there will be more than one howitzer in the field. The battery does not have one car or two. The "engineering" Wolf will fit easily under a hundred shots.

As I understand it, this car does not set the goal of creating a light self-propelled howitzer. This is a replacement for towed howitzers.

[leon-iv]

ET is clear that TZMka will question whether there will be 1 BK in the Mortar itself.

[vladkavkaz]

Owl
And who told you that the WOLF, not large, takes a little load?
Open the site, but look, there are options for both biaxial and triaxial, quite a car.
But the URAL with a gun 152-well, if you are a suicide bomber, then perhaps fight on it ....

[leon-iv]

Here the people then heaped up theories.
We look Bear platform is for BB. Where are we now not calm Caucasus and CA. We are planning heavy / medium / light teams. Wahhabis who are drawn to Asia to drive such a sweetest thing.
What do we have here
1 successful mortar.
2 Wheeled platform for increased resistance to blasting
3 Low cost of operation relative to tracked platform.

Cons
1 mobility outside hard ground.
2 Lack of AZ
3 There will be no serious BC and OMS

But for the quick destruction of the Wahhabis, the very thing is for the BB and the Light Brigades.

[evil hamster]

Quote: leon-iv

1 mobility outside hard ground.

As they say, this is not a bug, it’s a feature

Quote: leon-iv

2 Lack of AZ

So he is absent on None-S and IMHO in Vienna - shells with ready-to-use rifling do not seem to contribute.

Quote: leon-iv

3 There will be no serious BC and OMS

I agree with bk, but here with the OMS there is a moot point. There are no obstacles for his appearance, you can’t see anything on the layout, well, that's why he’s the layout. The main question is, do you need a serious SLA for such a clearly niche machine?

[leon-iv]

As they say this is not a bug this is a laughing laugh

But the price tag is many times lower. I say chasing bearded men is the sweetest thing.

The main question is, do you need a serious SLA for such a clearly niche machine?

This is not a bug, it's a feature.
We do not need an astronomical price tag. And a competent operator will quickly find out where it is necessary using data about the target.

And yes, offer our VV-kam such a thing to destroy the Wahhabis tear off with their hands.

[samoletil18]

Quote: leon-iv

And yes, offer our VV-kam such a thing to destroy the Wahhabis tear off with their hands

it is better to adapt the T-55 to their needs, but "cornflowers" are behind to smoke out the Wahhabis from behind shelters

[Basileus]

I completely agree. In our country, most commentators are obsessed with a big war, and the reality is VV operations in the Caucasus, for which a cheap Wolf is much better than a dear Nona and especially Vienna with excess functionality.

[abc_alex]

Quote: wanderer_032

The idea is interesting of course.
But ....
Wouldn’t it be better to place the gun on a platform with hinged sides (thereby increasing the area of ​​the gun’s support) over the rear axles, providing the self-propelled guns with an additional 2 side supports and an automated control system (for faster alerting and better firing accuracy) ...

And how do you imagine the behavior of all this machinery at the moment of the shot? Can you imagine the return impulse of the system? In the presented version, the impulse goes to the ground, right? And by raising the barrel to the platform, we will most likely get a "jumping Wolf" :) And no LMS will save you from accidental displacement of the platform. But it's still good to avoid swinging on the springs. You will not have to carry 2 supports, but all 4 and lift the car on them.

Here is just a trick in such a "mortar" arrangement.

I don’t know who among the troops will be interested in such a device, but I am personally glad that the development of the "Wolf" as a platform has begun.

And then everything is "Tiger" and "Tiger" ...

[leon-iv]

Well xs the hydraulic compensator is big enough.

[wanderer_032]

But I didn’t write anything about removing the base plate, and the 2nd side supports for lateral stability of the whole system wouldn’t hurt when firing + we can do the support in front of the blade. We get a car with a circular sector of fire without unnecessary operations to move it to change direction fire.
And to reduce the recoil momentum, you can work with the recoil gear and with the muzzle brake.

[Clueless]

it is strange that there are only 2 doors in the car. Calculation there that the 3rd person in total? Moreover, everyone is sitting on the same couch and all the appliances are mounted there?

[homosum20]

I’m sorry, I’m a layman in artillery, but in my opinion a cool thing.

[Black radziwiłł]

Solid technique!

[Takashi]

I see, the terrorists are well-trained, all kinds of tanks are armed with artillery, since a 120-mm howitzer was assembled against them. What about nuclear weapons

[kelevra]

Something like a self-propelled mortar! Well, it looks pretty good!

[Bars90]

A good system ... The option is not bad, but the Bear would have looked better. And to organize a larger caliber ... The use of modules on a wheelbase, a constructive solution.

[APASUS]

Here to this machine would be the whole arsenal of modern shells. Starting from a shell with a camera and ending with a controlled one that would be right out the window. One shot is one target.

[chizhik]

Friends, tell me which of you has a higher technical education and work experience in KB. Maybe combat experience using the above products.

[c3r]

More reminiscent of the technology of the first world. For whom it is and for what. Doubtful mobility, as can be seen in the photo, is charged manually, which only increases the recharge time, which would need to be collected to move. It is doubtful that it would be much more accurate than towed counterparts in accuracy. The house of terrorists can also be destroyed by a tank from a safe distance, by the way, in the conditions of urban development they are used as direct fire, and if it is necessary to hang from behind cover, then it’s probably better than a mortar to have weapons for this. So, what to put in the museum of curiosities and forget.

[ed65b]

How is mobility questionable ??? Rested with a shovel in the ground and shoot. The emphasis lifted and on the road. The system is not for shooting homes with terrorists or their families.

[artgrad]

Wow! When it’s all ingenious, it’s cheap, formidable, mobile and universal!

PS. What a buggy site !!! Dumb not incredibly !!! Or is it just me, it takes 2 minutes to load !!!

[konvalval]

I was looking at the TVC program "Battle at the Vegetable Base" and the thought came to my mind: on this base, yes on this typewriter, yes with this gun, yes all over this shoble.

[iGran]

Better on TV)))

[Dmitry Zurn]

Good day, gentlemen. Of course, I apologize, but in my opinion this is absolutely not a necessary creature. If you continue this way, then you and I will soon become witnesses to the arming of our army, modern squeals, unicorns, muskets. You can still attach an 18th-century cannon to this brainchild and shoot cores. Sincerely.

[Legionnaire14]

Quote: Dmitry Zurn

Good day, gentlemen. Of course, I apologize, but in my opinion this is absolutely not a necessary creature. If you continue this way, then you and I will soon become witnesses to the arming of our army, modern squeals, unicorns, muskets. You can still attach an 18th-century cannon to this brainchild and shoot cores. Sincerely.

I agree. There are a number of models of equipment that is ahead of us. We need to mount active armor + protection against bottom explosions on a wolf, a KPVT machine gun and equip it with granotometres