Nazi commando unit Brandenburg-800

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Nazi commando unit Brandenburg-800


During World War I, Germany led military operations on the African continent under the command of General Lettov-Forbek. One of the officers of the German corps, Captain Theodore von Hippel, drew attention to the fact that in the case when the scouts penetrated into the rear of the enemy under the guise of local residents or in the form of enemy troops, offensive operations were carried out more successfully and with minimal losses. Von Hippel was able to analyze and formulate the unique experience of such reconnaissance and sabotage operations in a special report addressed to the command.



In 30, Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, the chief of military intelligence and counterintelligence of the German army (Abwehr), familiarized himself with these materials. On his orders, von Hippel was again drafted into the army and began to form a detachment of professional intelligence saboteurs. The first such unit was the Ebbinghouse battalion. It consisted of only ethnic Germans who had previously lived in Poland, who knew Polish and were familiar with the life and traditions of this country. The Ebbinghaus fighters helped the German forces advance through Poland, sowing panic and confusion in the rear, seizing or destroying important communications - railway stations, bridges, etc.

Although Ebbinghaus’s actions were successful and effective, the unit was disbanded after the occupation of Poland. But already in September, 1939, von Hippel reported to Canaris on the creation of a special forces unit, which included professional German commandos - an 3 officer and an 67 soldier. In an order issued in October of the same year, it was said about the creation of a "construction training company for special applications-800" and the location of the city of Brandenburg. The company was directly subordinate to the Abwehr sabotage division. The order established that the formation of personnel should be carried out only on a voluntary basis from among the experienced operators, paratroopers, scouts, sappers and divers. It is believed that this reconnaissance and sabotage group was the first special forces unit in Germany.

Gradually, the company has already become a battalion "Brandenburg-800". And the recruitment into it was not quite the usual way - the requirements for recruits did not rely on any regulatory documents, and the requirements for recruits were unusual: applicants should have the ability to adapt to different life situations, be resourceful and dodgy, know the language of the alleged enemy, as well as customs, features and orders of the enemy countries. The Germans tried to express the essence of the division in its motto: “For“ Brandenburg ”all roads are good!”

The newly created battalion consisted of a motorcycle and parachute platoons, as well as four companies: the first included Russian, Finnish and Baltic Germans, the second - French, Portuguese, African and British Germans, the third - the Yugoslav and Sudeten Germans, the fourth - Polish Germans.

The size of the battalion was constantly growing, and it included not only Germans, but also representatives of other nationalities - Ukrainians, Arabs, Indians, etc. The German military registration departments, who had information about all Germans who returned to Abwehr, helped Abwehr find the right specialists. historical homeland, who served in the army and want to work for Abwehr. When interviewing candidates, the battalion command especially drew attention to the level of adventurism and risk appetite, as well as to the inconspicuous appearance of each applicant. In the case of a successful interview, the recruit was subjected to more serious tests: checking the level of intelligence, the ability to instantly orientate in a difficult environment, psychological stability, the ability to improvise, self-control, self-discipline and good physical shape.



The process of creating a professional "partisan" special forces took several years. The bureaucrats and comrades-in-arms of Canaris, who believed that the admiral was creating his "pocket army" and saw this as a threat to himself, served as a hindrance. But, despite such assumptions, it turned out that for all the years of the unit’s existence in this part there has not been a single case of treachery, it has been served by true supporters of Hitler’s policies. The customs formed in the battalion: the relationship between the servicemen was friendly, the military greetings were replaced with the usual handshake, they were engaged in drill training only when the unit was visited by their superiors. And it was not an indulgence in the service, but a necessity, since “driving” into the mind of a saboteur military regulations could reveal it in a military operation - after all, most often they were carried out in civilian clothes and on enemy territory, and the saboteur needed to merge with the crowd, become “ invisible "and not trump a military bearing and military lexicon. The uniform of the battalion personnel was usual for the German army units - the saboteurs wore the uniform of rangers, and the difference was the chevron on the right sleeve in the form of three green oak leaves and an acorn on the brown branch (the same metal composition adorned the left side of the headdress).

The acquisition of professional skills saboteurs battalion "Brandenburg-800" was given great attention. The training ground was located in the town of Quenzgut on Quenzsee. There were barracks, shooting ranges, educational buildings and a sapper-technical training ground on which models of real objects were installed: bridges, sections of roads, crossings, etc. The saboteurs were trained in engineering-subversive business and tactics of individual actions, including the ability to conceal the object, silently remove posts, and mine. The fighters of "Brandenburg" mastered foreign languages, learned the technique of working with a parachute, landing on the coast, movement on rough terrain in all weather conditions at any time of the day, possession of all kinds weapons and technology. Scout saboteurs were trained in shooting, martial arts, driving all types of vehicles and military equipment, piloting basics, locomotive control, photography, camouflaging, terrain orientation, legislation and customs of the enemy countries, fortification basics, handling explosives, providing medical assistance and much more. At the Abwehr Technical School, the saboteurs of the battalion were taught how to falsify documents, make stamps and distribute fake banknotes.

The main task of the saboteurs "Brandenburg" was using disguise to infiltrate the enemy’s territory and, using the fact of surprise, to help the main forces of the German army following them. The methods used by the fighters of this unit were very diverse. At the same time, both partial camouflage was used (the use of clothes and weapons of the enemy), and complete - this is the organization of the shooting of "his troops" and due to the panic of quickly accomplishing the task. Groups of saboteurs were formed depending on the nature of the planned operation and consisted of either a 5 — 12 man or a whole company.

Western campaign

In the spring of 1940, the nazis planned to occupy Belgium, Holland and Luxembourg. The Abwehr was tasked to assist in the seizure of bridges across the Meuse River near Maastricht and Gennep. Only after the seizure of these strategically important objects could the Germans pass to the fortified line of Peel in Holland and unlock the German paratroopers dropped earlier from Rotterdam.



On an early April morning, the Brandenburg group, disguised as the Dutch uniform, went on a mission. Despite the camouflage measures taken, the German combat group had to clash with the Dutch border guards, in which part of the Brandenburg group died. They also failed to clear the bridges over the Meuse, and they were blown up. However, one of the Brandenburg companies still managed to capture the bridge near Gennep. For this operation, part of the saboteurs was dressed in the form of Dutch border guards who allegedly escorted the "captured" Germans. At the right time, the group opened fire to defeat. And while the Dutch came to their senses, the German Tanks went over the bridge.

Groups of German saboteurs conducted active reconnaissance in Belgium, Luxembourg, France and the Netherlands. Thus, the saboteurs moved around the territory of Belgium and Luxembourg under the guise of tourists, which allowed them to see and photograph a number of necessary objects. Several groups of German saboteurs, depicting refugees, cruised through the territory of France and the rear of the British troops. Mobile detachments of "Brandenburg", moving on heavy motorcycles, violated the lines of communication, seized bridges, ensured the breakthrough of the German troops across the Ardens and to the Meuse. The detachment "Brandenburg", dressed in the form of soldiers of the French army, landed by parachute, captured the fort of Eben Enamel near Liege and the bridges over the Scheldt. At the same time, the "refugee" saboteurs carried out sabotage and arson attacks in Paris, Abbeville and Reims.

The third company of Brandenburg was confronted with the task of preventing 24 from undermining strategic sites in Belgium. The saboteurs managed to secretly approach their intended targets to attack the enemy. Thanks to their actions, it was possible to save 18 objects from destruction.

Abwehr’s subversive unit successfully accomplished another challenge to them in the second phase of the Germans' Western campaign: a platoon of saboteurs had to go to the oil fields of Peshelbron and prevent their destruction. The saboteurs managed to take by surprise the French sappers who were preparing the explosions of oil facilities and capture them.

In May 1940, the command of the German army was concerned about the concentration in the north of Norway of the remnants of the defeated Norwegian army and ordered the "Brandenburgers" to destroy them. A fighter squad of one hundred German saboteurs disguised as a soldier of the Norwegian army conducted a successful raid. They once again confirmed their professionalism and readiness to perform any task of command.

In the spring of 1941, German troops entered the territory of Yugoslavia and Greece. The “Brandenburg” fighters were tasked to seize key objects on the Danube, carry out reconnaissance in enemy territory and coordinate the actions of the advancing Wehrmacht units. The saboteurs did an excellent job with all the tasks. For example, the Brandenburg reconnaissance group was the first to enter Athens, secured city objects, and raised the German flag over the building of the Athenian government.

Soviet front

Also in the spring of 1941, new units were trained at the Brandenburg Training Center. Ukrainian nationalists served in the detachments "Roland" and "Nachtigall", and Caucasians served in the detachment "Bergmann".



In the summer of 1941, the German Army Group "North" seized one by one the cities and towns of Latvia. The saboteurs of Brandenburg, disguised as wounded Red Army men, arrived at the bridge over the Western Dvina. Their sudden attack on the guard of the bridge allowed them to seize a strategically important object and open the way for German troops to Riga.

In the offensive of the German troops in Lviv in June 1941, the role of the vanguard of the Germans was carried out by the battalion of Ukrainian nationalists Nachtigall, which is part of the Brandenburg regiment. The saboteurs were faced with the task of penetrating into the city and seizing transport and household objects (power station, radio centers and station). "Brandenburgers" captured all the scheduled objects very quickly and without loss. 15 July 1941, the Nachtigall unit attacked one of their headquarters of the Soviet troops, but the saboteurs received a fitting rebuff - as a result, almost the entire nationalist group was destroyed.

Abuver subversive units repeatedly carried out operations in the rear of the Soviet troops. The group of German "coast saboteurs" on the Azov, Black Sea and Baltic coasts caused considerable damage. The nightly outings of the Brandenburgers sowed panic in the Soviet rear and undermined the morale of the Red Army fighters. During the war years, saboteurs were also entrusted with the functions of conducting front-line reconnaissance and fighting with partisans.

In the autumn of 1941, for the Soviet troops, the most difficult situation developed around Moscow. Paratroopers "Brandenburg" landed in the suburbs near the Istra reservoir, to conduct sabotage on the water artery of the capital. However, the special forces of the NKVD managed to stop the operation of the Germans.

In November, 1941, Soviet prisoners of war began to arrive at the Brandenburg training center, expressing a desire to fight against their country. Beginners took the oath and were trained. Sabotage against the Soviet troops received a new impetus.

A group of "Brandenburgers" from 30 people under the command of Hauptmann Lange, which included Germans, Ossetians, Chechens, Ingushs, landed in the area of ​​Chechen villages Chishki, Duba-Yurt to organize an uprising. Soviet soldiers fired at this group still in the air, but Lange with a small group of saboteurs managed to get into the camp of the local abreks and stay there until the Germans retreated from the Caucasus. In November, 1942, the local guides brought a group of German saboteurs to their own.

The loudest operation "Brandenburg" was the Maikop operation, which became a model of special forces actions in the rear of the enemy. In the summer of 1942, the 62 saboteur disguised as NKVD fighters in Soviet army trucks crossed the front line and arrived in Maykop. The leader of the group, von Felkersz, introduced himself to the representatives of the Soviet command as an officer of the NKVD and demanded to report on how the defense of the city was secured. Then, having destroyed the army telephone center, he deprived the commanders of the Soviet units of communication, at the same time spreading information that the German motorized units were in the rear of the defenders of the city, although in fact the advanced German detachments were twenty kilometers from Maikop. He managed to bring panic and confusion into the ranks of the defenders of the city, and the Red Army fighters began to hastily leave their positions. Thanks to the professionalism of the German saboteurs, the city was soon taken by the fascists - practically without a fight.

Africa, Middle East

For a long time, the Brandenburgers were restricted in operation on the African continent due to the negative attitude towards them of the commander of the German Wehrmacht's African corps, General Rommel. However, the actions of the British "commandos" against his troops forced the general to transfer to Brandersburg saboteurs the authority to conduct reconnaissance and sabotage work. Over the course of 1940-1943, the Brandenburgers did enormous damage to the Allied forces: constant attacks on the supply lines of the British army (areas of Sudan and the Gulf of Guinea), sabotage operations in North Africa, reconnaissance of caravan routes and detours through the desert to the Nile delta, capture of the railway the bridge over Wadi El Kibir in Tunisia, the attack on the well-fortified positions of the Americans under Sidi Bou Sid (Tunisia).



In May 1943, the German Army Group "Africa" ​​was forced to capitulate. The fighters of “Brandenburg” did not fulfill the order of surrender, and in small groups penetrated the territory of southern Italy to continue the struggle in the ranks of the active army.

Long-range application aviation and underwater fleet allowed the Germans to conduct reconnaissance and sabotage activities far beyond the borders of the Reich (the Middle East, Iran, Afghanistan, India). And, as a rule, such operations were entrusted to the Brandenburg fighters. The main objectives of the German saboteurs were communications. Special forces carried out reconnaissance, carried out sabotage operations and engaged in the organization of anti-colonial uprisings.

Since 1940 in the Middle East (Syria, Iraq, Lebanon), the Arab Brandenburg Brigade has been operating against the British colonial forces. So, in Iraq in May 1941, German saboteurs blew up two gunboats and captured about fifty ships. 22 of May of the same year, the Brandenburgers damaged British troops in the area of ​​the caravan route from Damascus to Rabout, and also attacked the British in the Tigris valley, destroying about a hundred British soldiers. The saboteurs of the Brandenburg division also carried out successful operations in India, Afghanistan and Iran. In Afghanistan, they acted as an expedition of epidemiologists identifying leprosy. This group was able to conduct a deep reconnaissance of the border areas of Afghanistan, to establish contact with local rebels and to conduct several sabotage raids against British colonial troops. The Germans, through the Todt Organization, supplied weapons for the fifth column in Afghanistan, and also sent their fighter instructors from Brandenburg-800 to the Afghan territory.

The end of "Brandenburg-800"

The turning point in the war led to a noticeable drop in the level of training of German saboteurs, the stream of traitors from the POW camps dried up, and it became difficult to compensate for the losses in the Abwehr reconnaissance and sabotage unit. In December, 1943 was formed by a detachment of saboteurs, suicide bombers, who blew himself up along with a bridge across the river in Lim near Pepole. In 1944, after the removal of the chief of Abwehr, Admiral Canaris, the division of the saboteurs was reassigned to the services of the SD, the RSHA and the Gestapo. Then the "Brandenburg" became an ordinary motorized division in the Great Germany tank corps.

In May 1945, the story of the Millennium Reich, which only lasted for twelve years, could ingloriously end. The history of the reconnaissance and sabotage unit of Germany, the first German special forces, was even shorter. But after the war, almost all Brandenburg fighters preferred a peaceful life to service in various special forces of various countries of the world. Former German saboteurs in the post-war period served as part of the CAC of Great Britain, in the French Foreign Legion, in US special forces. Also, the “Brandenburgers” moved to Asia, Latin America and Africa, becoming highly paid mercenaries, advisers and instructors. For example, Indonesia’s security service was led by a former Brandenburger for some time. Mao Zedong, Moiza Chombe (Republic of the Congo) and Egypt had military advisers who had previously served in Brandenburg. There is no doubt that as long as there are military confrontations, experts Brandenburg "will be in demand.

Materials used:
http://www.bratishka.ru/archiv/2006/3/2006_3_7.php
http://www.diversant.2x2forum.ru/t38-topic
http://www.demo-pro.ucoz.ru/publ/96/vermakht/brandenburg_800/54-1-0-584
http://waffen.ucoz.ru/news/2009-04-15-1584
http://army.lv/ru/Brandenburg-800-istoriya-armeyskogo-spetsnaza-natsistskoy-Germanii/2648/4630
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  1. +2
    20 January 2014 09: 44
    And what about the western front forgot? ..operation * finger * for example
  2. +4
    20 January 2014 10: 19
    Isaev wrote about Brandenburg interestingly.
    http://www.soldatru.ru/read.php?id=2326

    looks like this
    "A group of paratroopers from the Brandenburg training regiment was used for the first time in the 57th ak band. After an initial success (capturing a bridge to close a gap in the defensive front east of Traba), the group proved to be too weak to consolidate success and was replaced by a motorcycle unit. Other battle groups Brandenburg training regiment were subordinated to separate divisions from the beginning of the campaign. Their use did not live up to expectations. In no case were they used for solving independent tasks in front of the front line. Perhaps the reason for this is the attitude of units that rely more on their weapons. than the dubious success of this kind of operation. The Brandenburg battle groups were used as especially fast strike groups and were little used for their intended purpose. "
    Without enthusiasm, in general.

    In short, thanks to Ozerov and his movie director for another myth
  3. Kovrovsky
    +3
    20 January 2014 11: 16
    In an order issued in October of the same year, it was said about the creation of a "construction training company for special applications-800" and the city of Brandenburg was indicated as the location.

    Our building is still cooler! wassat
    The article is an inaccuracy: Fort Eben Emael captured a detachment of German paratroopers under the command of Hauptmann V. Koch.
    1. -1
      20 January 2014 15: 34
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      Our building is still cooler!

      Therefore, the Germans recruited them. soldier
  4. +4
    20 January 2014 11: 23
    Remembering about Brandenburg, I recall a scene from Ozerov's film "Battle for Moscow." still surprised that they are marching under "Aty-two"? And to him- "these are border guards, they have their own service ..." By the way, there Skorzenni was already in the rank of Sturmbannführer, but in fact, at 41, he was an ordinary infantry Sturmführer in "Das Reich"
    1. smersh70
      +5
      20 January 2014 13: 57
      Quote: Den 11
      So there these guys like came on wagons with coal (double bottom).

      Dan, according to the recollections of almost all the participants in those events, there was no connection before the Germans attack, the fact that they leaked and in huge quantities is a fact. There was no connection not only in the area of ​​the Brest Fortress, but everywhere and in the Baltic States and Ukraine .if you leave patriotism to really look at the facts, Brandenburg at the initial stage did even more than tank columns .. they themselves mainly occupied 2 railway bridges over the Bug guarded by the railway troops in the early morning .. there are real issues in the Deutsche releases (as they are) frames first minutes of taking these bridges. it is clear that there was almost no battle. they worked professionally. Until now, I have not met the details of taking bridges.
      1. +1
        20 January 2014 14: 49
        On youtube.com, dial Deutsche Wochenschau --- there it is. I don’t remember the release (if you want to find it is easy --- June 41st)
        1. smersh70
          0
          20 January 2014 15: 04
          Quote: Den 11
          Deutsche Wochenschau

          In, recalled, thanks)))
          Quote: Den 11
          I don’t remember the issue (if you wish, it’s easy to find --- June 41st)

          so I wrote about the release)) but I'm talking about the details with the expiration of time. and there it is short and in German, well, and besides, not a word about Branderburg and details smile
          1. 0
            20 January 2014 15: 27
            That's what the special forces are! What then, what now. Why bother? And there is Wochenschau with the translation. Through PM
            1. +3
              20 January 2014 15: 34
              Correctly! That's why the special forces! and they worked very professionally! With their sabotage actions, for the first time, the days of the war completely demoralized the rear of the Western and North-Western directions. The communication lines suffered especially from their activities.
              1. +1
                20 January 2014 15: 45
                I read some Hans’s memoirs (about the Battle of Stalingrad, whether --- he was near Moscow), so he wrote that they began to work in Moscow itself (breaking bridges, knocking down officers, etc.). True, it’s not a fucker helped the Hans
                1. smersh70
                  -1
                  20 January 2014 16: 00
                  Quote: Den 11
                  so he wrote that in Moscow itself they began to work (to tear bridges, bring down officers, etc.

                  there is an electronic version, this is news ...
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    2. Khrushchev
      0
      21 January 2014 05: 29
      But I remember in Schellenberg’s memoirs. If I’m not mistaken, I read something about Branderburg-400. What kind of animal is this ??
  5. Owl
    +4
    20 January 2014 11: 23
    Know the enemy, study his tactics of action, know in order that this would not happen again.
    1. +1
      20 January 2014 11: 29
      Archimudo !!!
  6. +3
    20 January 2014 11: 31
    Yes, the enemy was preparing seriously and was strong, and our grandfathers defeated him and they turned out BETTER and STRONGER ...
  7. +5
    20 January 2014 11: 54
    Of course they are bastards, but some of their methods can be used in the fight against terrorism.
    1. anarch
      0
      20 January 2014 12: 48
      Quote: Good
      They are of course bastards

      Of course, bastards.
  8. 0
    20 January 2014 12: 37
    "Greater Germany" appears to have been a motorized division and not a tank corps.
    1. +1
      20 January 2014 13: 54
      Quote: Pelican
      "Greater Germany" appears to have been a motorized division and not a tank corps.

      Panzerkorps Grossdeutschland (Great Panzer Corps) is a German corps created in the last months of World War II.
      It was created by order of the High Command of the Ground Forces (OKH) on September 28 of 1944 on the basis of the 18th artillery division (headquarters, communications battalion, rear units), individual divisions of the Great Germany division and part of the remnants of the 13 Army Corps. The formation was completed in January 1945.
  9. wanderer_032
    +3
    20 January 2014 13: 24
    The article is informative and it would be nice to read it to those who think that poorly guarded borders and migration policies that take place (unfortunately) in our country are more practically from the collapse of the USSR (almost uncontrolled crossing of the state border from the directions of the countries of the former USSR, especially Kazakhstan) poses no threat to Russia.
    Who during this time could get here and what has already done here (using these corridors), only God knows.
    I am not a Nazi, but those people who come to us should always be on a pencil with our special services. This will avoid many problems, including in such a case as the fight against international terrorism, international drug trafficking, smuggling and possible sabotage against our country on our territory.
    We live in an unpredictable world full of surprises. You need to remember this and look at both around you.
    1. 0
      2 February 2014 23: 46
      Quote: wanderer_032
      almost crossing the state border with the directions of the countries of the former

      unfortunately, the point of no return has been passed, they are already everywhere (migrants) even working in the subway, and how many have become citizens of the Russian Federation and I agree with you a big plus
  10. -1
    20 January 2014 15: 49
    If patriotism was to really look at the facts, Brandenburg at the initial stage did even more than tank columns.
    .
    do not exaggerate and repeat the self-PR Otto, I repeat-
    "For the first time in the 57 strip, a group of paratroopers from the Brandenburg training regiment was used. After the initial success (capturing the bridge to close the gap in the defensive front east of Traba), the group showed itself too weak to consolidate the success and was replaced by a motorcycle unit. Other combat groups of the Brandenburg training regiment were subordinated to separate divisions from the beginning of the campaign. Their application did not live up to expectations. In no case did they find application for solving independent tasks in front of the front line. Perhaps the reason for this is the attitude of the units, which rely more on their weapons than on the dubious success of such operations. Battlegroups "Brandenburg" were used as particularly fast strike groups and were little used for their intended purpose. "
    From the 3 TGr Railways about Brandenburg.




    Quote: lonely
    .particularly from their activities suffered communication lines.

    Tasks to disrupt the communication lines to these advanced units, as far as one can judge from well-known documents, were not set.
    communication disruption is the work of a few other guys, mailed both in 20 and immediately before the war.
    Quote: smersh70
    Dan, according to the recollections of almost all participants in those events, there was no connection before the Germans attack, the fact that they leaked and in huge quantities is a fact.

    brandenburg is too weak to leak everywhere and in huge quantities,
    I remind you that the agents also worked, and the notorious landings were caused by the conscious work of the enemy. So not all Brandenburg
    for example
    ... Until May, the 1941 NKVD of the Lithuanian SSR neutralized the 75 sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Abwehr ....
    ... Abwehr carries out a massive recruitment of agents in Biala Podlask and Vlodava and throws OUN saboteurs into the border zone of the USSR, most of which are neutralized by the NKVD officers of the USSR ...
    .... From December 1940 to March 1941, the NKVD of the USSR eliminates 66 strongholds and Abwehr bases in border areas. For 4 months, 1 596 sabotage agents were arrested (including 1 338 in the Baltic states, Belarus and Western Ukraine) ......
    ..... The commanders of the special units of the "front-line intelligence" army groups "North", "Center" and "South" report to the Abwehr leadership on their advance to their original positions near the German-Soviet border. Each of the three divergence groups includes from 25 to 30 saboteurs from among the local population (Russians, Poles, Ukrainians, Cossacks, Finns, Estonians ...) under the command of a German officer. After being thrown into the deep rear (from 50 to 300 km from the front line), commandos of the front-line intelligence unit dressed in [242] military uniforms of soldiers and officers of the Red Army carry out acts of sabotage and sabotage. ....

    I can advise you to read here http://militera.lib.ru/research/mader/06.html
    1. smersh70
      -3
      20 January 2014 16: 04
      Quote: Stas57
      what else did the agents work

      there were so many in such numbers agents - well, you shame dishonored the glorious NKVD smile this is no longer an agent, but a whole battalion of Branderburg))) an agent can start cutting wires, but it is not recruited for these purposes .. it has slightly different goals. There is an object of aspiration, as it is said on a pro-ultimate slang, and there is an arrangement of the agent apparatus. hi
      1. 0
        20 January 2014 16: 16
        the agent may be busy cutting the wires, but it is not recruited for these purposes .. it has slightly different goals. There is an object of aspiration, as they say in the proessual slang, and there is an arrangement of the undercover apparatus

        it is generally used for different purposes, the agent can recruit a person who directly cuts the wires / cuts off the crane / feeds the rocket, spoils something at hour X, or maybe himself.
        all this, + explosions in Moscow, shooting at officers has nothing to do with the Brandenburg 800 theme.

        Regarding the capture of bridges, for example, there is a case when in the summer the 4td cold weather workers coped with this task no worse than changing clothes and kept it until the main forces arrived. Therefore, I understand the disappointment of the German command
        1. 0
          20 January 2014 16: 29
          Stas, minus me (think about Smersh). Do you think (can you?) That they were useless commandos?
          1. 0
            20 January 2014 16: 36
            I believe that at this moment in the summer of 41 their effectiveness was extremely low, which is not only what I say, but also their command itself. And their overall significance in the summer of 41, is very small.

            no, you can certainly distort the glorious German commandos, there are many of them, but personally I don’t see much of their success, I repeat, there are cases when the army team acted no worse, and without dancing with changing clothes.
            gave the link, I will repeat http://www.soldatru.ru/read.php?id=2326
            1. 0
              20 January 2014 17: 16
              No, Stas, I disagree with you. At the beginning of the war (and subsequently) they acted extremely efficiently. Another question is that the Wehrmacht could not cope with the tasks that he needed to solve. This is my opinion. And the special forces remain special forces under ANY government and in ANY state!
            2. -6
              20 January 2014 17: 26
              As for "distorting", you shouldn't. It's not a shkolota (the majority) rubbing here! Watch the bazaar
        2. smersh70
          -1
          20 January 2014 21: 06
          Quote: Stas57
          a gent can recruit a person who directly cuts the wire / cuts off the crane / fired a rocket, who spoiled something at hour X,

          so a crane, a rocket, a wire - and there is an object of aspiration. And if the connection disappeared in a large number of places and in a vast territory, it turns out that the German intelligence recruited massively Soviet people. but what about the activities of the NKVD, then you want to cast a shadow on their work. smile I would not advise YOU patriots to peck smile
          1. 0
            21 January 2014 11: 38
            and where does the shadow? I have already cited data on the work of the NKVD, but those who wanted to help the enemy, especially in the new territories, were in number.
  11. +1
    20 January 2014 16: 27
    There will always be military conflicts in this world, but I doubt that modern Germany is at least something of itself militarily. It’s interesting, and in whose "bright" head the idea came to use a scalpel ie Brandenburgers of the eight hundredths as a ram, i.e. as part of the tank corps. It turns out the same story as with the paratroopers, after Crete they were not used for their intended purpose.
    1. -1
      20 January 2014 16: 40
      This is the same story as with the Great Sniper Maxim Passar! Some ok-commissar drove him into the bayonet (everyone is running-URA-and you don’t hide!?)! It's DIAMONDS - you need to protect them !!!
  12. +3
    20 January 2014 17: 45
    Quote: Den 11
    This is the same story as with the Great Sniper Maxim Passar! Some ok-commissar drove him into the bayonet (everyone is running-URA-and you don’t hide!?)! It's DIAMONDS - you need to protect them !!!
    By the way, is everyone aware of how this commissioner was treated? Stalin talked about this matter (he delved into everything) --- they slapped the first pine tree. Komissarovs are talking about the language, we don’t have enough nuggets!
  13. +2
    20 January 2014 19: 21
    I put a plus for the material for those nuances that I did not know about before. and to be honest, I used to divide similar information about the Wehrmacht, ss and other structures in half, because a lot has been read. then you start comparing with domestic sources and there are a lot of inconsistencies. I admit that from our side the "memoirists from the political departments" sometimes lied recklessly, but, believe me, the Germans are even trickier ... and the author in any case (the good fellow, by the way, studied several resources) used the memoirs of one of the "Brandenburgs". ..
    yes, what else? dear, you do not know why the forum does not work? I have already contacted the administration and did not receive an answer ... but I so wanted to share the emotions that arose after reading the "work" of a certain German historian
  14. 0
    20 January 2014 21: 03
    Can you justify the minuses? ... Piss, or what? Matsan ... What are you rubbing here? Listen to adult uncles and do not scamper into the vote
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    20 January 2014 21: 27
    Most of all I liked the phrase "the stream of traitors has dried up" - Oh, I wish I could live!
  16. +3
    20 January 2014 21: 40
    Quote: Good
    They are certainly bastards, but ...
    professional bastards.
  17. 0
    16 June 2014 18: 19
    In this book of mine (printed in 2003 in Sofia, Bulgaria), there is also a lot about their activities in the Balkans during the Second World War!
  18. 0
    13 February 2016 00: 58
    What I can’t understand is why Nazi Germany lost the war. She had such a chance, and the economy, and the military machine, and special forces here, and so all is shamefully delayed. If you skip this song about Russian patriotism and heroism, then there is only one thing left - Hitler’s limitations in military art. Well, why did he start fighting on two fronts? After all, there were ideas about a separate peace with England, so it was necessary to unite with the West and crush the Soviet Union. And then it’s up to each other to decide what and how. And the Nazis did not use this chance. And here is the result - a sixth of the earth with the name short Russia lives in poverty, but would live now, as in Germany people live humanly