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New Iron Beam interception system for missiles and mortar shells

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Concern Rafael has developed a laser missile defense system capable of intercepting missiles at shorter distances than does the Iron Dome missile defense system.




Rafael intends to demonstrate at the exhibition in Singapore his new system of interception of very short-range missiles “Iron Ray”, those who are not able to intercept the “Iron Dome”.

The new missile defense system is based on a laser. According to the Raphael website, this is a high power laser designed to intercept missiles, mortar shells and aircraft.

Aviation an exhibition in Singapore at which a new system will be presented will open in the second week of February.

According to the Rafael concern, the commercial name of the system will be IRON BEAM (“Iron Ray”), which is consonant with the name “Iron Dome”, which is considered to be a great commercial and technological success of the company.

The Israel Defense publication already reported last year that the Israeli Ministry of Defense is interested in a “pinpoint” missile interception tool that will serve as the lower echelon of the Iron Dome missile defense system adopted two years ago.

The Office for the Development of Weapons and Technological Infrastructure (Mafat) has asked the Israeli military-industrial complex to formulate proposals for developing a system that would allow active interception in the lowest defense level.

This will be the fifth and lowest defense echelon in addition to the existing four echelons of the missile defense system: the Iron Dome (against short-range missiles), the Magic Wand (against medium-range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles) and Hets -2 "and" Hez-3 "designed to intercept long-range missiles outside the atmosphere.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 20 January 2014 08: 28
    +14
    "Concern Raphael has developed a laser missile defense system capable of intercepting missiles at shorter distances"

    They can detect
    laser target tracking - perhaps
    hit with a laser, I doubt it deeply !!!
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 20 January 2014 08: 32
      +3
      It can, can.
      Firstly, the distance is not large, under conditions of light cloudiness, nothing special.
      Technologically, a long time ago and many passed the stage.
      1. Horn
        Horn 20 January 2014 09: 32
        0
        What laser can destroy a piece of iron without defocusing and without losing power? With vigorous pumping? Radish horseradish is not sweeter. It remains only to agree with the opposite side, so that rockets are allowed only to where this laser will be built.
        1. Professor
          20 January 2014 10: 55
          +3
          Quote: Horn
          What laser can destroy a piece of iron without defocusing and without losing power? With vigorous pumping?

          Nautilus did this without problems and for a long time.


          PS
          Chemical laser without nuclear filling.
          1. Hammer
            Hammer 20 January 2014 11: 14
            +1
            only this nautilus weighs probably not one ton, but most likely it will be a dozen ... It can only be transported by a ship, but you won’t put it on a tank ... And can it fight thick-walled rotating steel targets (mortar mine, Kasama warhead ), and not like in an advertising video - with tin and plastic rockets ... in general, while there are questions - there are no answers ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 47
              +1
              Quote: Hammer
              only this nautilus weighs probably not one ton, but most likely it will be a dozen ... It can only be transported by a ship, but you won’t put it on a tank ... And can it fight thick-walled rotating steel targets (mortar mine, Kasama warhead ), and not like in an advertising video - with tin and plastic rockets ... in general, while there are questions - there are no answers ...

              During the tests, he shot down 155 mm snayard. And initially the system was built as a mobile
            2. Professor
              20 January 2014 11: 48
              +1
              Quote: Hammer
              only this nautilus probably weighs more than one ton, but most likely over a dozen ...

              Nautilus weighs quite a bit, but he is not mobile.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 09
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Nautilus weighs quite a bit, but he is not mobile.

                Designed as a mobile. About six buses system. But Skygard was already 4 times smaller and 4 times more powerful
                1. Professor
                  20 January 2014 13: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Designed as a mobile. About six buses system.

                  More mobile than mobile. Deployment time: Mama Do not Cry. On the other hand, he has nothing to guard on the march - Sderot stands still.
            3. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 21 January 2014 06: 19
              0
              Quote: Hammer
              only this nautilus weighs probably not one ton, but most likely it will be over a dozen ... It can only be transported by a ship, but you won’t put it on a tank ...

        2. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 04
          +1
          Quote: Horn
          What laser can destroy a piece of iron without defocusing and without losing power? With vigorous pumping? Radish horseradish is not sweeter. It remains only to agree with the opposite side, so that rockets are allowed only to where this laser will be built.

          Israel's Nautilus system, for example. Based on a solid-state chemical laser. And she's not alone.
    2. Hammer
      Hammer 20 January 2014 10: 23
      +7
      I'm also wondering - even if we assume that such a pipe-shaitan was created (and even something amazing there), how many shots per minute will it make? Now let's compare how many mines in the air a good mortarman can hold simultaneously, even in a solo performance? If I am not mistaken, according to the practice of the Second World War, it hung in the air for about 12 minutes until the first touched the ground ... I generally keep quiet about the "Vasilek".
      Can the "iron beam" swallow it and not choke? How much does a shot with this uberwunderwafen cost? how much does a mortar shot cost? ...
      Vague doubts gnaw me something, if not the possibility of energy weapons (no one canceled the laws of physics), then I certainly doubt its effectiveness and profitability ...
      1. Professor
        20 January 2014 10: 59
        +5
        Quote: Hammer
        And now let's compare how many mines a good mortar can hold in the air at the same time, and even in solo performance?

        Multiply this by the time of his life under the tireless eye of armed drones and counter-battery measures.

        Quote: Hammer
        And how much does a shot with this uberwunderwafen cost? and how much is a mortar shot? ...

        Do not confuse soft with warm.
        A shot of a nautilus cost a couple of tons of greenery, and a shot of a mortar must be compared with the cost of the damage that it can cause.
        How much is a bullet, and how much is a bulletproof vest? Refuse bulletproof vests?
        1. Hammer
          Hammer 20 January 2014 11: 28
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Hammer
          And now let's compare how many mines a good mortar can hold in the air at the same time, and even in solo performance?
          Multiply this by the time of his life under the tireless eye of armed drones and counter-battery measures.

          Well, according to this logic, to hell with a garden at all ... But in fact they shoot at Israel when they want - despite all the drones. And how much time, according to the standards of the Israeli army, is needed to cover the positions of the militants with return fire. Well, no less than 5 minutes ... how many shots will he have time to do during this time? I think that it would be enough to disassemble this installation into atoms, but let it be at the cost of the shooter's life ... which, probably, is of no value to them.

          Quote: Professor
          Do not confuse soft with warm.
          A shot of a nautilus cost a couple of tons of greenery, and a shot of a mortar must be compared with the cost of the damage that it can cause.
          How much is a bullet, and how much is a bulletproof vest? Refuse bulletproof vests?

          So neither I confuse that ... confuses the one (judging by the article), who was going to shoot mortars from this device. What your nautilus can not, more than sure. more precisely, it will be able to shoot, but to hit it - call me, I do not believe it! ;)
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 50
            0
            Quote: Hammer
            Well, according to this logic, to hell with a garden at all ... But in fact they shoot at Israel when they want - despite all the drones. And how much time, according to the standards of the Israeli army, is needed to cover the positions of the militants with return fire. Well, no less than 5 minutes ... how many shots will he have time to do during this time? I think that it would be enough to disassemble this installation into atoms, but let it be at the cost of the shooter's life ... which, probably, is of no value to them.

            Very often, positions are covered before a shot or a couple of seconds after. Rummage around on the topic: in Gaza, the missile link has been destroyed.

            It can be called very doubtful - when they want. Especially considering the destruction of most shells, most firing and all installations
            1. Hammer
              Hammer 20 January 2014 12: 50
              -1
              Quote: Pimply
              Quote: Hammer

              Well, according to this logic, to hell with a garden at all ... But in fact they shoot at Israel when they want - despite all the drones. And how much time, according to the standards of the Israeli army, is needed to cover the positions of the militants with return fire. Well, no less than 5 minutes ... how many shots will he have time to do during this time? I think that it would be enough to disassemble this installation into atoms, but let it be at the cost of the shooter's life ... which, probably, is of no value to them.


              Very often, positions are covered before a shot or a couple of seconds after. Rummage around on the topic: in Gaza, the missile link has been destroyed.

              It can be called very doubtful - when they want. Especially considering the destruction of most shells, most firing and all installations


              I won’t argue strongly about this, after all, I won’t take up the effectiveness (and sometimes even spectacularity) of the Israeli army ... but nevertheless, shelling is taking place regularly ... In general, the debate is not about whether the calculation will die or not, they’ll in response or do not have time ...
              The debate about how long Neptune can survive untouched, and how effective it will be ... My opinion is that at this stage, until the complex has become mobile (in the sense of one chassis) and massive - it’s too early to talk about its effectiveness. As well as the ability to destroy thick-walled rotating steel steel bars with a short flying time during any mass application.
              You can’t refer to the video above - this is only advertising. )))
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 20 January 2014 13: 02
                0
                Quote: Hammer
                nevertheless, shelling occurs regularly ...

                And they will happen, the guys get paid for it. Nevertheless, rockets are regularly destroyed, and the vast majority of missiles are shot down.

                As for mobility - he is out of the affected area. Mobility implies that it can be moved relatively quickly. And to protect the system, there are aviation and other missile defense systems. In addition, what system will be now is a big question. Nautilus moved in the format of about 6 buses. The skyguard was already 4 times smaller and 4 more powerful. Let's see what Rafael will represent in Singapore.
          2. Professor
            20 January 2014 11: 51
            +2
            Quote: Hammer
            But in fact they shoot at Israel when they want - despite all the drones. And how much time, according to the standards of the Israeli army, is needed to cover the positions of the militants with return fire. Well, no less than 5 minutes ... how many shots will he have time to do during this time?

            But in fact, Israel is capitalized and in fact the Palestinians do not have time to fire more than 2, 3 shots.

            Quote: Hammer
            So neither I confuse that ... confuses the one (judging by the article), who was going to shoot mortars from this device.

            How much does a mortar shell cost? What about an interceptor shot? Excuse your life? A kindergarten full of children?
            1. Hammer
              Hammer 20 January 2014 12: 56
              0
              Quote: Professor
              But in fact, Israel is capitalized, and in fact the Palestinians do not have time to fire more than 2, 3 shots

              oh sorry, excuse me - my crypto sinks ... just don’t ascribe to me anyway this ethnic hatred ...))))))))
              honestly I didn’t want to offend anyone with this blunder ...

              Quote: Professor

              How much does a mortar shell cost? What about an interceptor shot? Excuse your life? A kindergarten full of children?

              well, let's not confuse the long with the sour, and the soft with the warm ...
              A kindergarten in Israel "costs" exactly the same as a kindergarten in Palestine ... Only we are moving away from the subject of conversation - the possible effectiveness of the new system.
              1. Professor
                20 January 2014 13: 44
                +1
                Quote: Hammer
                A kindergarten in Israel "costs" exactly the same as a kindergarten in Palestine ... Only we are moving away from the subject of conversation - the possible effectiveness of the new system.

                A kindergarten in "Palestine" does not cost much, otherwise missile launchers would not be placed on its playground. Now about the money. The state pays compensation to the family of each victim in the amount of about $ 260. How many people have to save the complex that would be silly to recoup the money?
            2. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 20 January 2014 13: 25
              +5
              Quote: Professor
              How much does a mortar shell cost? What about an interceptor shot? Excuse your life? A kindergarten full of children?

              Hello professor. A rare case when I agree with you 100%. In matters of security of the state and its citizens, the question of price is at least incorrect, the efficiency of the device should go to the first place, and not its cost (provided there are several solutions - price / efficiency).
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 49
          0
          Quote: Hammer
          Can the "iron beam" swallow it and not choke? How much does a shot with this uberwunderwafen cost? how much does a mortar shot cost? ...


          For Nautilus (and he was a prototype) the cost of a shot was estimated at $ 3000
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 04
        0
        Quote: Hammer
        If I am not mistaken, according to the practice of the Second World War, it hung in the air for about 12 minutes until the first touched the ground ... I generally keep quiet about the "Vasilek".

        There were UAVs in WWII?
        1. Hammer
          Hammer 20 January 2014 11: 37
          +3
          Quote: Pimply
          Quote: Hammer

          If I am not mistaken, according to the practice of the Second World War, it hung in the air for about 12 minutes until the first touched the ground ... I generally keep quiet about the "Vasilek".


          There were UAVs in WWII?

          And where is it written about UAVs during WWII ?! What are you dear about? I wrote so clearly about the skill of the mortar during WWII. About UAVs I didn’t write at all ... With a UAV, it’s more like a professor ...))))
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 52
            +2
            Quote: Hammer

            And where is it written about UAVs during WWII ?! What are you dear about? I wrote so clearly about the skill of the mortar during WWII. About UAVs I didn’t write at all ... With a UAV, it’s more like a professor ...))))

            And I say that since then, realities have changed. The launch of the first shell detects the drone, after which the mortar has no opportunity to fire 12 shells per minute.
            1. Hammer
              Hammer 21 January 2014 05: 41
              0
              Quote: Pimply

              And I say that since then, realities have changed. The launch of the first shell detects the drone, after which the mortar has no opportunity to fire 12 shells per minute.


              And I’m sure that it will be in time. Because even in the Israeli (most combat-ready) army of the world, never mind a second response to a shot ... You idealize reality a little. ;))
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 21 January 2014 06: 29
                -1
                Quote: Hammer
                And I’m sure that it will be in time. Because even in the Israeli (most combat-ready) army of the world, never mind a second response to a shot ... You idealize reality a little. ;))

              2. Pimply
                Pimply 21 January 2014 16: 38
                0
                Quote: Hammer

                And I’m sure that it will be in time. Because even in the Israeli (most combat-ready) army of the world, never mind a second response to a shot ... You idealize reality a little. ;))

                No, I just soberly evaluate it. And I know the realities. They brought a video down there. Is it enough for you to do one or lay out a dozen more?
      3. avg
        avg 20 January 2014 11: 19
        +3
        Quote: Hammer
        then I certainly doubt its effectiveness and profitability ...

        If we consider this weapon as anti-terrorism, in conjunction with all the measures taken in this direction and the small territory of Israel, then it becomes quite effective. It is not customary to talk about profitability in such matters.
        1. Hammer
          Hammer 20 January 2014 11: 33
          0
          Quote: avg
          Quote: Hammer
          then I certainly doubt its effectiveness and profitability ...
          If we consider this weapon as anti-terrorism, in conjunction with all the measures taken in this direction and the small territory of Israel, then it becomes quite effective. It is not customary to talk about profitability in such matters.
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          Well, it would seem logical, but here such a moment can be traced (at least in the article), if they are going to shoot at mortar shots, then they are going to place this "miracle weapon" within the reach of a mortar shot ... but here the question of profitability can to be important if the installation itself becomes the target of shelling ... I actually mean it.
          1. avg
            avg 20 January 2014 11: 49
            0
            Key phrase here:
            ... a laser missile defense system capable of intercepting missiles at shorter distances than the Iron Dome missile defense system does
            Those. those to which the dome does not have time to respond, and the mortar is for the company, based on the low speed of the mines and advertising considerations.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 10
              -1
              Quote: avg
              Those. those to which the dome does not have time to respond, and the mortar is for the company, based on the low speed of the mines and advertising considerations.

              Or those that miss
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 56
            +1
            Quote: Hammer
            Well, it would seem logical, but here such a moment can be traced (at least in the article), if they are going to shoot at mortar shots, then they are going to place this "miracle weapon" within the reach of a mortar shot ... but here the question of profitability can to be important if the installation itself becomes the target of shelling ... I actually mean it.


            Why should this remedy be within reach? Suppose you have a sword against a dagger. Should the swordsman approach the length of the dagger to beat off the blow?
            1. Hammer
              Hammer 20 January 2014 12: 59
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              Why should this remedy be within reach? Suppose you have a sword against a dagger. Should the swordsman approach the length of the dagger to beat off the blow?

              So here I am not sure that in this case the dagger will be with the Arabs ...
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 20 January 2014 13: 06
                0
                Quote: Hammer
                So here I am not sure that in this case the dagger will be with the Arabs ...

                We are now talking about this system and mortar shells, and not about the "Scads" and their counterparts and the opposing Hets-2 and Hets-3
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 54
          0
          Quote: avg
          It is not customary to talk about profitability in such matters.

          Accepted, and often. Compared to other systems, this was a plus of lasers - only 3000 bucks per shot (and this is on the prototype). Now the cost of the same LCD has dropped to several thousand per rocket, so there is no radical difference.
      4. old rocket man
        old rocket man 20 January 2014 15: 02
        +3
        Quote: Hammer
        Can the "iron beam" swallow it and not choke? How much does a shot with this uberwunderwafen cost? how much does a mortar shot cost?


        Here, here. You can kill sparrows from a cannon if you are a blonde and the daughter of a billionaire, because a millionaire WILL NOT PUSH this "PRO" drinks
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 23
          +1
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          Here, here. You can kill sparrows from a cannon if you are a blonde and the daughter of a billionaire, because a millionaire WILL NOT PUSH this "PRO"

          The Americans shot a ship's laser worth a dollar. A shot of a Nautilus prototype cost between $ 1000 and $ 3000. Is that a lot? Or a high-precision laser - a gun firing at sparrows?
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 10: 52
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      They can detect
      laser target tracking - perhaps
      hit with a laser, I doubt it deeply !!!


      And again your "deep professionalism" and knowledge comes into conflict with life. Are you not aware that there are already more than one or two similar systems that have confirmed the possibility of laser destruction of missiles in practice?
      1. Rebus
        Rebus 20 January 2014 11: 12
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        You do not know that there are already not one or two similar systems that have confirmed the possibility of laser destruction of missiles in practice?

        All these devices work only in the conditions of the landfill ...
        With increasing humidity (rain, fog), smoke, with an increased dust content in the atmosphere (in desert conditions, the atmosphere is almost always dusty), and simply with dirty laser optics or slight overheating, the efficiency of laser systems tends to zero.
        So the "iron beam" is a lantern and nothing more ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 02
          0
          Quote: Rebus
          With increasing humidity (rain, fog), smoke, with an increased dust content in the atmosphere (in desert conditions, the atmosphere is almost always dusty), and simply with dirty laser optics or slight overheating, the efficiency of laser systems tends to zero

          This has been discussed more than once. Does not tend to zero. It all depends on the power. Efficiency decreases - yes. That is why, apparently, the system that Raphael is going to introduce must destroy targets in the lower echelon of defense.
      2. avg
        avg 20 January 2014 11: 22
        +2
        Israel's Nautilus system, for example. Based on a solid-state chemical laser. And she's not alone.

        Pictured is an American Skyguard. Israel has long left the project.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 03
          +1
          Quote: avg
          Pictured is an American Skyguard. Israel has long left the project.

          From Nautilus, yes. But Raphael continued his development. Thor recently launched mine clearance, and the Iron Ray seems to be the next step.
      3. Horn
        Horn 20 January 2014 11: 36
        0
        In theory and in specially created conditions, when the position of the target is known in advance, their slingshots can also be hit. This is all theoretical philosophizing and an attempt to "puff out". SOI-2. Popular Jewish wisdom: "You cannot praise yourself, who else will praise!" The flag is in your ... hands and a drum on your neck! Burn rockets and mines with a laser. The bigger, the better.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 04
          +1
          Quote: Horn
          In theory and in specially created conditions, when the position of the target is known in advance, their slingshots can also be hit. This is all theoretical philosophizing and an attempt to "puff out". SOI-2. Popular Jewish wisdom: "You cannot praise yourself, who else will praise!" The flag is in your ... hands and a drum on your neck! Burn rockets and mines with a laser. The bigger, the better.

          Do you think suicides are sitting in the Israeli MoD?
      4. old rocket man
        old rocket man 20 January 2014 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Quote: makarov
        They can detect
        laser target tracking - perhaps
        hit with a laser, I doubt it deeply !!!


        And again your "deep professionalism" and knowledge comes into conflict with life. Are you not aware that there are already more than one or two similar systems that have confirmed the possibility of laser destruction of missiles in practice?


        In experience, not in practice
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 25
          0
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          In experience, not in practice

          I agree, here you are absolutely right. In fact, let's see what Rafael presents. All of these systems are far from perfect. Apparently therefore, Raphael and positions his car as covering a certain narrow niche.
    4. Professor
      20 January 2014 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      They can detect

      They already detect it without problems and automatically turn on the air alarm signal and send an SMS message to those who are in the alleged area of ​​the fall.
      1. Horn
        Horn 20 January 2014 11: 41
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: makarov
        They can detect

        They already detect it without problems and automatically turn on the air alarm signal and send an SMS message to those who are in the alleged area of ​​the fall.

        Upon receipt of an SMS message, the entire population of the shelling area quickly sits down to pedal the generator in order to provide another Jewish wunderwafel with power ...
        1. Professor
          20 January 2014 11: 53
          +1
          Quote: Horn
          Upon receipt of an SMS message, the entire population of the shelling area quickly sits down to pedal the generator in order to provide another Jewish wunderwafel with power ...

          Very competently. Bravo. good
          Previous Jewish prodigies saved both real Jewish and not only Jewish lives. This wunderwaffle is sleeping too.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 04
          +1
          Quote: Horn
          Upon receipt of an SMS message, the entire population of the shelling area quickly sits down to pedal the generator in order to provide another Jewish wunderwafel with power ...

          Bravo. And now - something smart.
          1. alone
            alone 20 January 2014 12: 49
            +5
            Concern Rafael has developed a laser missile defense system capable of intercepting missiles at shorter distances than does the Iron Dome missile defense system.


            While some shake their fists and make pompous statements, others without any noise do what they consider necessary. An extremely rational and pragmatic approach.
          2. Horn
            Horn 21 January 2014 07: 01
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            The message that a laser (namely LASER BEAM) shot down a rocket and will be an arbiter. And so - just puffing out cheeks. Remember the fable about the frog that wanted to become a bull. Do not puff up.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 21 January 2014 16: 41
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              Quote: Horn
              The message that a laser (namely LASER BEAM) shot down a rocket and will be an arbiter. And so - just puffing out cheeks. Remember the fable about the frog that wanted to become a bull. Do not puff up.


              For example, the S-300 never took part in real hostilities. Nevertheless, I’m not so sure that you doubt it. Or is the S-300, Topol-M, Su-35 - just puffing out your cheeks?
              1. Horn
                Horn 22 January 2014 06: 47
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                No. The 2nd rule of thermodynamics is not violated here. And there are predecessors that REALLY worked. Don’t bother. Remember the frog.
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 21 January 2014 00: 35
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      "Concern Raphael has developed a laser missile defense system capable of intercepting missiles at shorter distances"

      They can detect
      laser target tracking - perhaps
      hit with a laser, I doubt it deeply !!!


      Depends on the transparency of the atmosphere ... in case of war I think the atmosphere will be very smoky ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 21 January 2014 16: 45
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        Quote: Geisenberg
        Depends on the transparency of the atmosphere ... in case of war I think the atmosphere will be very smoky ...

        I already wrote about this - and how and by what methods is compensated too. And what kind of war do you suppose and what kind of smoke? Fog of war, or what?
  2. mirag2
    mirag2 20 January 2014 08: 28
    0
    The right direction in the development of weapons systems is the use, which is why they are always in demand, and the need for them (if there is money) —and high added value — are like a technological product.
    That is, a product that is profitable to produce, and even more profitable to sell.
  3. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 20 January 2014 08: 46
    +8
    Kind! To shoot down missiles with a laser is a promising idea and has a basis, but like any beam, a laser beam tends to be reflected from the surface. What if the laser is reflected from the rocket? This is a question of times, but question 2: What to do and where to get power supplies for a high-power laser for massive artillery shelling? Americans have been playing with the laser for a long time, however, they still haven't presented anything serious, most of the "ducks". In my opinion, there are still many issues in this area to be solved!
    1. makarov
      makarov 20 January 2014 09: 00
      +6
      and one of the most important. the rocket is not standing still, it is moving, the laser must "go" with it, and what should be done? millimeter displacement of the spot on the target and the effect of "0"., and suddenly cloudiness, fog, rain, dust storm, what then ??? laser PSHIK!
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 20 January 2014 09: 16
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        Yes, no, now, with "high energy" lasers, the target does not need to be accompanied by gradually heating up - the laser shot is very short, in a split second the target is able to travel a certain distance that is not critical for the time the beam is exposed to a specific point on the target.
        Here's a reflective, refractive (in the presence of a scattering coating) and scattering in the atmosphere, yes ...
      2. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 20 January 2014 09: 23
        +1
        and one of the most important. the rocket is not standing still, it is moving, the laser must "go" with it, and what should be done?
        For some reason, I assumed that you would write this particular nonsense. Why should he go? A good hare hunter doesn’t drive the trunk, he calculates the lead, points the trunk to the right point, waits for the hare to reach the desired point - bang-bang, oh-oh-oh, my bunny dies ... So are modern computers unable to produce calculation accurate to microns and with the same accuracy to direct the installation? And I can’t disagree with the rest. Even a dust storm is not needed: the smallest dust cloud or a wisp of smoke, brought from nowhere, which no computer is able to calculate - and you get, as you say, a laser PZHIK. Too many random factors to take such statements seriously.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 13
          0
          In fact, everything is simpler. The usual capture and tracking of the target. Now this handsome Makarov will say that this is impossible and that the charter does not imply this8)

          1. makarov
            makarov 20 January 2014 14: 21
            +2
            But where am I going to think about beauty (?) With my age, it’s not that age. But the word PYPERCHY in popular usage implies the word Pimply, and quite often they add the word VAKHLAK to it.
            And if you look carefully, you can clearly see the individual with obvious inclinations to breed srach on the site. But that’s nothing, then let it go ... over time
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 26
              -1
              Quote: makarov
              But where am I going to think about beauty (?) With my age, it’s not that age. But the word PYPERCHY in popular usage implies the word Pimply, and quite often they add the word VAKHLAK to it.
              And if you look carefully, you can clearly see the individual with obvious inclinations to breed srach on the site. But that’s nothing, then let it go ... over time

              Bravo. And the only thing he was capable of was trying to stupidly insult using a nickname 8)) Bravo-bravo! 8) Brilliant, I would say. Carcass from dispersion. And as always - nothing smart. Precious Are you mine, have you read about modern combat lasers?
              1. makarov
                makarov 20 January 2014 15: 47
                +3
                Well, it’s not in vain that he said about srach on the site. and if you can’t satisfy your curiosity, then there you will find my humble surname. I foresee the throwing of words in advance, but this development of a respected research institute of the Russian Federation. http://bd.patent.su/2388000-2388999/pat/servl/servlet5a97.html
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 56
                  -1
                  Quote: makarov
                  Well, it’s not in vain that he said about srach on the site. and if you can’t satisfy your curiosity, then there you will find my humble surname. I foresee the throwing of words in advance, but this development of a respected research institute of the Russian Federation. http://bd.patent.su/2388000-2388999/pat/servl/servlet5a97.html

                  Sorry, but your modest "dispersion" was enough for me
              2. makarov
                makarov 20 January 2014 20: 59
                -1
                Yes, I am not precious to you, and in fact I cannot be, because I do not hide behind the flag of the Russian Federation on the website, hiding from comments my real place of residence in the country. I also found a "friend". Such friends for sherry and to the museum, so report it in Sokhnut. You are from there. no respect !!! fool
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 20 January 2014 21: 43
                  0
                  Quote: makarov
                  Yes, I am not precious to you, and in fact I cannot be, because I do not hide behind the flag of the Russian Federation on the website, hiding from comments my real place of residence in the country. I also found a "friend". Such friends for sherry and to the museum, so report it in Sokhnut. You are from there. no respect !!!

                  Don’t worry so precious, you are my precious diffuser. To start, only the USSR flag can be set. The rest is set automatically by 8)
                  Secondly, you are precious for the reason that things like "scattering" must be protected. They are beautiful, you don't hear such pearls every day.
                  And here you still have "knowledge" about modern lasers
                  1. makarov
                    makarov 21 January 2014 04: 17
                    0
                    Oho-ho-ho !!! I see the people saw through the provocative zekher !!! in the rank of "raised". It is impossible to hide under the flag of the Russian Federation. And I thought that you really were a former military man of the Russian Federation, but turns out to be from an IDF, and not a Russian person at all, but simply fluent in the language.
                    There is a Jewish poet I respect, Igor Guberman. So about people like you, he wrote a lot, I will quote on your comments. let the people know which "smart figure" is found on the site fool laughing
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 21 January 2014 16: 46
                      -1
                      Quote: makarov
                      Oho-ho-ho !!! I see the people saw through the provocative zekher !!! in the rank of "raised". It is impossible to hide under the flag of the Russian Federation. And I thought that you really were a former military man of the Russian Federation, but turns out to be from an IDF, and not a Russian person at all, but simply fluent in the language.
                      There is a Jewish poet I respect, Igor Guberman. So about people like you, he wrote a lot, I will quote on your comments. let the people know which "smart figure" is found on the site

                      What a sweet tantrum you have 8) The farther - the funnier 8))) Does scattering help?
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 07
        0
        Quote: makarov
        and one of the most important. the rocket is not standing still, it is moving, the laser must "go" with it, and what should be done? millimeter displacement of the spot on the target and the effect of "0"., and suddenly cloudiness, fog, rain, dust storm, what then ??? laser PSHIK!


        Ingenious. Just before you bring nonsense about a moving rocket and a laser running behind it, maybe you should look at least something on this topic? Or are you all about dispersal?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 06
      -1
      Quote: Dwarfik
      Kind! To shoot down missiles with a laser is a promising idea and has a basis, but like any beam, a laser beam tends to be reflected from the surface. What if the laser is reflected from the rocket? This is a question of times, but question 2: What to do and where to get power supplies for a high-power laser for massive artillery shelling? Americans have been playing with the laser for a long time, however, they still haven't presented anything serious, most of the "ducks". In my opinion, there are still many issues in this area to be solved!

      These are very beautiful fairy tales - to reflect a ray with a mirror. In fact, for a full reflection from the surface, ideal conditions are needed that are not found in life.
    3. Professor
      20 January 2014 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: Dwarfik
      What if the laser is reflected from the rocket?

      When there will be absolutely mirror rocket then we will talk.

      Quote: Dwarfik
      What to do and where to get power supplies for a high-power laser for massive artillery fire?

      Where did you see at least one word about "massive shelling"? Who will give them to produce such?
      The energy source is a turbine that feeds a generator. The generator is shortened, the energy jumps to "infinity" and while the turbine "wedges" they shoot. Then the turbine is accelerated again.

      Quote: Dwarfik
      Americans have been playing with the laser for a long time, however, they still haven't presented anything serious, most of the "ducks".

      Nautilus working sample. Tsahal did not accept it for two reasons. With sandstorms, the range is very limited (just before the Iron Ray), the chemical laser filler was super toxic.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 06
        0
        Quote: Professor
        When there will be absolutely mirror rocket then we will talk.

        And then it won’t work out. We need a strictly and perfectly calibrated angle and complete stillness.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 20 January 2014 14: 01
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          And then it won’t work out. We need a strictly and perfectly calibrated angle and complete stillness.

          Are you trying to get into the laser system with a reflected beam? The idea is certainly interesting, but I agree, it is difficult to do.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 January 2014 14: 49
            0
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Are you trying to get into the laser system with a reflected beam? The idea is certainly interesting, but I agree, it is difficult to do.

            I'm not trying anywhere. It’s over there, people are building illusions about mirror surfaces
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 20 January 2014 15: 54
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              It’s over there, people are building illusions about mirror surfaces

              Do you deny the possibility of reflection by the mirror surface of the laser beam?
              Mirror surfaces can be considered optically smooth if the dimensions of the irregularities and inhomogeneities on them do not exceed the light wavelength (less than 1 μm). For such surfaces, the law of light reflection is satisfied.
              Pumping seems to be done using a system of mirrors.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 20 January 2014 16: 00
                0
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Do you deny the possibility of reflection by the mirror surface of the laser beam?

                Do not deny. It would be foolish. But it all depends not only on the laser-mirror parameter, as they are trying to imagine here. And you can imagine the conditions under which there will be a full reflection
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 20 January 2014 18: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Pimply
                  And you can imagine the conditions under which there will be a full reflection

                  Well, full reflection and not necessarily. Perhaps the remaining percentage is simply not enough for a sufficient transfer of internal energy and the destruction of mines, you need to experiment, the work is interesting.
                  But could it be cheaper and easier for Phalanx to concentrate on dangerous areas? However, the Israelites know better.
                  Only I am confused by the name "Iron Ray", "Iron Dome" is understandable and logical, but the Iron Ray "is somehow not very meaningful, purely personal opinion, maybe" Iron Spear ".
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 20 January 2014 21: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Well, full reflection and not necessarily. Perhaps the remaining percentage is simply not enough for a sufficient transfer of internal energy and the destruction of mines, you need to experiment, the work is interesting.

                    Undoubtedly. But at this stage, the degree of dispersion is too small to slow down the laser. Atmospheric conditions, for example, have a much greater effect on lasers.
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    But could it be cheaper and easier for Phalanx to concentrate on dangerous areas? However, the Israelites know better.

                    The Flanax area is too small, and there are too many fragments and shells.
                    Well, the "Iron Ray" is to Raphael's marketers. Apparently, they want to show the continuity of the systems.
  4. JonnyT
    JonnyT 20 January 2014 08: 51
    +10
    Let them show in practice, then we can draw conclusions - knocks down or doesn't knock .....
    all this is very similar to an attempt to attract investors for the further development of the project
    1. invisibility
      invisibility 20 January 2014 08: 58
      +2
      Right Good advertising and you can steam
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. PACIFIST
      PACIFIST 20 January 2014 09: 06
      0
      Well, maybe they don’t get shot down yet, well, if investments go it’s not bad, high technology projects are very expensive
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      Let them show in practice, then we can draw conclusions - knocks down or doesn't knock .....
      all this is very similar to an attempt to attract investors for the further development of the project

      Yes, there are enough investors. And a similar system was already being developed - in 2008 it was ready.

      About that system in a nutshell. It was called "Nautilus", its development began in the 95th year. The Americans called her THEL - Tactical High Energy Laser.
      This is a joint project between the US Army and the Israeli Defense Forces. Israel is responsible for development, the United States for testing and production. The system and components are developed in IAI, Elta, Rafael, Tadiran and are manufactured by the American company TRW. The total value so far is about $ 200 million, of which Israel has laid out 67.5 million, and the rest, respectively, by the Americans.
      The system consists of a radar, a fire control center, a power source, and the chemical laser itself.

      In the process of development, several tests have been carried out over several years. In the first, Nautilus destroyed 122mm NUR in flight. Then two missiles fired one after another, then several missiles fired simultaneously. A total of 25 NUR calibers of 122 and 107 mm were destroyed.
      In addition, the system destroyed a 155mm artillery shell in flight.
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts 20 January 2014 09: 00
    -3
    Many of our compatriots live and work there. Israeli defense industry has advanced well over the past 20 years soldier
    1. 31231
      31231 20 January 2014 10: 33
      +1
      Even more PR people and advertisers live there. Have you seen that at least once a Jew was dissatisfied with his weapon?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 21
        -2
        Quote: 31231
        Even more PR people and advertisers live there. Have you seen that at least once a Jew was dissatisfied with his weapon?

        I have seen more than once.
        1. 31231
          31231 20 January 2014 19: 29
          +1
          But I don’t see something here. Only songs of praise from you.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 January 2014 21: 52
            0
            Quote: 31231
            But I don’t see something here. Only songs of praise from you.

            Go to the optometrist.

            As a rule, instead of laudatory songs, I see guys like you talking about what kind of Jews are bad, singing laudatory songs to their weapons
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 20
      +1
      A relatively small number of former USSR citizens work in the Israeli military-industrial complex
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 20 January 2014 14: 12
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        A relatively small number of former USSR citizens work in the Israeli military-industrial complex

        C'mon, this topic was already procrastinated, there weren’t a lot of them, a couple of capable ones to develop the direction, and the rest to serve the project, like in a movie: screenwriter, director, cameramen, acting group, extras.
        You look at the interview of the Israeli Prime Minister when he was in Russia
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 14: 49
          0
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          You look at the interview of the Israeli Prime Minister when he was in Russia

          I lived in Israel for 15 years, dear.
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man 20 January 2014 15: 18
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            I lived in Israel for 15 years, dear


            Why did you run away? Share. laughing
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 31
              0
              Quote: Old Rocketman
              Why did you run away? Share.

              Are you so interested in my personality and you, because of your mentality, can only assume "escaped"? 8) That is, this is what you are striving for, as I understand it - to escape? And where to?
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 20 January 2014 18: 43
                +3
                Quote: Pimply
                You are so interested in my personality

                What did they drive from "Partizan"? Zhenya, you didn’t just come to Russia, but probably on assignment ... Stop being blunt, you even in Russia tear your throat for the promised. Although not shekels or rubles do not smell.
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 20 January 2014 21: 39
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            I lived in Israel for 15 years, dear.

            This is not news to me. But I did not understand what this has to do with the interview, or do you think that the Israeli prime minister is not sufficiently informed?
            By the link at 21.00 min. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euOQdSvYKTM
            The Jewish University in Jerusalem in 1925 was created by Belarusian Jews Haim Weizman and Avraham Menachem-Mendl Usyshkin.
            One of the most prestigious educational institutions in Israel is the Technion in the city of Haifa. Its founders were Shmuel-Yosef Pevzner from Propoisk (Slavgorod) and a native of the Belarusian town of Svisloch Shmarya Levin.
            The drunken Jew Pevzner was also one of the founders of the Haifa Real Gymnasium, the Gazar ha-Karmel quarter in Haifa. In his honor, the Haifa City Library is named "Beit-Pevzner".

            Link http://ndran.livejournal.com/18546.html
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 January 2014 21: 53
              -1
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              This is not news to me. But I did not understand what this has to do with the interview, or do you think that the Israeli prime minister is not sufficiently informed?

              Israeli Prime Minister during visits says that it’s nice to hear the host, don’t you?
              And also what is nice to hear Russian-speaking voters.

              The "Russians" had a huge impact on Israel's development. But the number of engineers from the former USSR in the Israeli military-industrial complex was much lower than the percentage of "Russians" in Israeli society.
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 20 January 2014 22: 44
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                The "Russians" had a huge impact on Israel's development. But the number of engineers from the former USSR in the Israeli military-industrial complex was much lower than the percentage of "Russians" in Israeli society.

                I would be very surprised if all the "Russians" who left for Israel were gunsmiths engineers. I will paraphrase "man does not live with a single weapon."
                Israeli Prime Minister during visits says that it’s nice to hear the host, don’t you?
                Do you seriously believe that it’s nice for the Russians to hear in Russia that the engineers who left Russia for Israel made a technical revolution there?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 21 January 2014 16: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  I would be very surprised if all the "Russians" who left for Israel were gunsmiths engineers. I will paraphrase "man does not live with a single weapon."

                  No, just relatively few went to the military-industrial complex. And there were many engineers associated with such programs.

                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  Do you seriously believe that it’s nice for the Russians to hear in Russia that the engineers who left Russia for Israel made a technical revolution there?

                  Yes. Are you in doubt? This flatters pride and ambition - "without us they would not have anything there."
  6. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 20 January 2014 09: 02
    +1
    and the picture is a lie! The racket is not shot down then! a thick train - previously flying and, in fact, quietly flying away. and the one that seemed to intercept - was late with an interception.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 22
      0
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      and the picture is a lie! The racket is not shot down then! a thick train - previously flying and, in fact, quietly flying away. and the one that seemed to intercept - was late with an interception.

      In the pictures in Topwar, is everything always consistent with the articles? Yes really
    2. Professor
      20 January 2014 11: 25
      +1
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      and the picture is a lie! The racket is not shot down then! a thick train - previously flying and, in fact, quietly flying away. and the one that seemed to intercept - was late with an interception.

      And the LCD is in the picture. wink
  7. old rocket man
    old rocket man 20 January 2014 09: 05
    +5
    Some kind of dregs, in the course of the zhurnalyugi again confused everything: "either he stole, or stole from him, but he was involved for sure."
    Most likely we are talking about kinetic weapons, with a high speed of the striking elements and laser guidance.
    1. makarov
      makarov 20 January 2014 09: 07
      -2
      I fully agree with you !!!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 28
        +1
        Quote: makarov
        I fully agree with you !!!


        Definitely, like with dispersion.

        http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000910440

        http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Israel-plans-laser-interceptor-Iron-Beam-for-short-
        range-rockets-338639

        This is a video from testing a similar system. For dispersion

    2. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 22
      +1
      Quote: Old Rocketman
      Some kind of dregs, in the course of the zhurnalyugi again confused everything: "either he stole, or stole from him, but he was involved for sure."
      Most likely we are talking about kinetic weapons, with a high speed of the striking elements and laser guidance.

      It's about the laser
  8. Ivan79
    Ivan79 20 January 2014 09: 13
    +1
    "Iron Ray"

    As I read the name I immediately thought - Israel.
  9. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 20 January 2014 09: 24
    0
    Well done. They work well.
    Only 1 question, how the system will work on a cloudy day or with strong smoke atmosphere?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 41
      -2
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Well done. They work well.
      Only 1 question, how will the system work on a cloudy day or with strong smoke in the atmosphere?

      That's a good question. But judging by the available data, it was possible to solve
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 20 January 2014 12: 07
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        That's a good question. But judging by the available data, it was possible to solve

        Yeah, the laser beam was packed in a steel pipe ... What is the power in this case? How is heat removed? And how many areas of the city are de-energized for its work. Obviously no one is friends with physics.
        What is the guidance system? Nonsense definitely!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 12
          0
          Quote: Timeout

          Yeah, the laser beam was packed in a steel pipe ... What is the power in this case? How is heat removed? And how many areas of the city are de-energized for its work. Obviously no one is friends with physics.
          What is the guidance system? Nonsense definitely!

          Take a trip to Singapore and ask 8). What is stopping you? Just the answers to these questions and are involved in the development of weapons, do not you? Serial weapons are worth noting.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 20 January 2014 12: 28
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            Take a trip to Singapore and ask 8). What is stopping you? Just the answers to these questions and are involved in the development of weapons, do not you? Serial weapons are worth noting.

            Eugene, similar problems bother in his youth when he tried to burn a balloon with a self-made laser. And you know, I’m very interested in physics, I won’t give formulas. And without me there are people who like to troll such projects a little. I immediately warn for people whose physics in school is not lower than the solid three!
            http://gosh100.livejournal.com/61859.html

            Everything is chewed to the smallest detail.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 31
              -1
              Quote: Timeout
              Eugene, similar problems bother in his youth when he tried to burn a balloon with a self-made laser. And you know, I’m very interested in physics, I won’t give formulas. And without me there are people who like to troll such projects a little. I immediately warn for people whose physics in school is not lower than the solid three!

              Great. And now, when you spoke so beautifully, I am posting you an article in which all the problems that you are discussing from the school bench are chewed to the smallest detail.
              http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2011-11-03/12_giperboloidy.html
              Clear enough? Or add more sources?
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 20 January 2014 12: 48
                +4
                And in your article, at least one calculation with real indicators? And there they simply are not! There is a laser power of 1 MW, that is, the power consumption is not less than 100 MW. Eugene is for you for self-education.
                http://works.doklad.ru/view/N_bzpgMzjls/7.html
                There, the student does not operate with obscure materials.
                You can feed the shkolota with articles in the style of "I was fucked by a Bigfoot"!
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 20 January 2014 13: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Timeout
                  There, the student does not operate with obscure materials.
                  You can feed the shkolota with articles in the style of "I was fucked by a Bigfoot"!

                  That is, working lasers are fiction for you? For you, only that ball lived in childhood is objective? And the development of lasers stopped there?

                  And what criteria will be clear to you? And what authority for you. Or is it just unpleasant for you when you are reasonably proven that you are wrong?
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 20 January 2014 13: 27
                    +5
                    Quote: Pimply

                    That is, working lasers are fiction for you? For you, only that ball lived in childhood is objective? And the development of lasers stopped there?

                    And what criteria will be clear to you? And what authority for you. Or is it just unpleasant for you when you are reasonably proven that you are wrong?

                    HOW Pupyrchaty usually begins to spin and breed demagoguery. An argument is not a fact!
                    1. For example, pointing a super-mega-cluster. Radar, that is, from the reflected beam from the target. For your information, the maximum resolution with this method is equal to determine the coordinates of the target about 6 meters, that is, to get in the size of the projectile from Grad you need a resolution of about 1,5 meters, not to mention a mine or a projectile. Or there sits a super-sighted and ultra-fast Jew, pointing to the manual on the optical sight.
                    2. Amazing ability, according to your shots, the target explodes instantly, without even going through the stage of heating and melting. That is, Yahweh decided so that everything happens without intermediate stages. And I can imagine how the laser accompanies the target so that this all happens, but alas, this is not a DVD where all coordinates are known ...

                    What else can you think of? This is just a little of the facts!
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 20 January 2014 14: 15
                      -1
                      Quote: Timeout
                      HOW Pupyrchaty usually begins to spin and breed demagoguery. An argument is not a fact!
                      1. For example, pointing a super-mega-cluster. Radar, that is, from the reflected beam from the target. For your information, the maximum resolution with this method is equal to determine the coordinates of the target about 6 meters, that is, to get in the size of the projectile from Grad you need a resolution of about 1,5 meters, not to mention a mine or a projectile. Or there sits a super-sighted and ultra-fast Jew, pointing to the manual on the optical sight.

                      That is, serial lasers in Israel and the United States do not convince you? And that the sample is not one for a long time, several companies are developing them, including such a little-known company as the Northman Group, which introduced SkyGuard, the little-known "Raphael", one of the leaders in the production of high-precision weapons and based in a clearly not howling country, Boeing is the developer of the atmospheric laser who passed all the tests, Raytheon. All of them, apparently, build Potemkin villages, do not conduct tests, and carry serial samples of dummies to exhibitions. And the great you own the whole truth on the topic with yours it is not clear how and what taking into account calculations 8))) G-d, what a circus. You make me laugh so much every time. 8)

                      Quote: Timeout
                      2. Amazing ability, according to your shots, the target explodes instantly, without even going through the stage of heating and melting. That is, Yahweh decided so that everything happens without intermediate stages. And I can imagine how the laser accompanies the target so that this all happens, but alas, this is not a DVD where all coordinates are known ...

                      That is, you didn’t even bother to read something on this topic: neither how this system works, nor how much it needs to heat the target, nor its power. You just started working the language again. All p..sy, and you are Dartanyan 8)) That is, you are not convinced by articles in serious international magazines, or exhibitions, or by the fact that several serious international corporations are working on the topic. The main thing is what you have in your head 8)))) BRAVO!
                      1. Timeout
                        Timeout 20 January 2014 18: 01
                        +1
                        Eugene, do not be so nervous, because long-term diarrhea will develop. Unlike you, I have sufficient technical knowledge. You are stupidly trying to convince me that in essence it is fake. You know, sometimes it’s good to have a relative who has been in this topic for more than 30 years, and I believe him more than articles in the press, especially not even near-technical. If you can’t work with degrees, and 10 to 7 degrees of watts doesn’t mean anything to you, it’s better to keep quiet! And TNT does not explode from heating in a confined space, in order to detonate a mine in flight, you need to heat the fuse or for the beam to be the diameter of a telegraph pole. The most that is

                        these quarter kg of TNT)) They are very impressive!
                        As you will see the megablaster in action, be sure to let me know!
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 January 2014 21: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Timeout
                        Eugene, do not be so nervous, because long-term diarrhea will develop. Unlike you, I have sufficient technical knowledge. You are stupidly trying to convince me that in essence it is fake. XNUMX


                        Ah, if a bulged nose could be called knowledge 8)
    2. Rebus
      Rebus 20 January 2014 12: 14
      +2
      Quote: Pimply
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Well done. They work well.
      Only 1 question, how will the system work on a cloudy day or with strong smoke in the atmosphere?

      That's a good question. But judging by the available data, it was possible to solve

      Where is this data and how did you manage to solve these problems?
      Did you teach optics at school or is it pseudoscience in Israel?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 24
        -2
        Quote: Rebus
        Did you teach optics at school or is it pseudoscience in Israel?

        Are you trying to be rude to me, or were you so crookedly taught to communicate with your interlocutor?

        ALC with a radiated power of 3 MW at a distance of 200 km, according to the calculations of Almaz-Antey experts (Doctor of Technical Sciences AB Ignatiev and Doctor of Technical Sciences, full member of the AVN AS Sumin), will create a power density of 1640 W / cm square As the rocket rises, it will grow rapidly due to a decrease in dispersion in the dense layers of the atmosphere - at a firing angle relative to the horizon of 10 degrees, it will increase to 2540 W / cmXNUMX.

        Thus, every second, for every square centimeter of the shell of the rocket, 1,6–2,5 kJ of energy will fall. However, part of it will not be absorbed and re-emitted. However, the energy density is 1 kJ / cm4. enough for heating and melting aluminum 2 mm thick. Even taking into account the reradiation, the ALK beam is able to burn through the shell of a rocket with a thickness of XNUMX mm in less than a second.

        "At the same time, all other technical features of the laser directly indicate the absence of insurmountable problems with overheating. In oxygen iodine (COIL) lasers, the reacted fuel components are quickly removed from the installation, taking away with them the bulk of the heat. As for the subsequent" utilization " 4 megawatts of heat, we can observe a similar process almost every day. 1 megawatt of heat, for example, gives off the diesel of a powerful diesel locomotive. The cooling system ABL, using liquid ammonia, is obviously more than capable of "digesting" 4 megawatts.

        It should be borne in mind that the difference between the lasers of the SOI times and modern installations is not even several times - orders. So, the ALL complex, which shot down the "sidewinders" in 1983, had a radiation concentration level of 10 to the 13th degree J / (srad). Later and more powerful “Miracle” (aka “Nautilus” and THEL) - up to 10 to the 15th degree J / (comp. S). In a modern system, the concentration level is almost 1000 times higher - ABL tends to numbers in the region of 10 to the 18th degree J / (s.rad).

        These numbers are made up of two factors. Firstly, from a straightforward increase in power: it should be understood that the “megawatt” combat lasers of the 80s did not emit in a constant mode, they consumed them. On the contrary, even the "surrogate" version of ABL sends energy to the target every second, approximately corresponding to the content of a quarter kilogram of TNT. Secondly, from a colossal improvement in adaptive optics, which makes it possible to compensate for atmospheric turbulence and to avoid beam scattering."

        http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2011-11-03/12_giperboloidy.html

        Very detailed
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 20 January 2014 12: 37
          +1
          Pimply

          You can imagine everything correctly, but at these distances a rocket, I'm not talking about a shell or a mine, leaves only a warhead, far from having an aluminum body of 2 mm, but quite a steel shell of at least 5 mm thick, if you call it a rocket MLRS shells.
          Or am I misunderstood something? hi
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 42
            0
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            You can imagine everything correctly, but at these distances a rocket, I'm not talking about a shell or a mine, leaves only a warhead, far from having an aluminum body of 2 mm, but quite a steel shell of at least 5 mm thick, if you call it a rocket MLRS shells.
            Or am I misunderstood something?

            The article talks about one of the types of coating, and the speed of its destruction and heating. But we will not say that the article covers all issues. In fact, the pilot plant destroyed a 155 mm shell. This is talking about something.
        2. Timeout
          Timeout 20 January 2014 14: 05
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Very detailed

          If a laser beam is directed at a metal and its power is changed, then at an irradiation value of 105 W / cm2, melting will begin. Near the surface under the light spot, a region of molten metal arises. The surface of the melt will begin to move deep into the metal as light energy is absorbed. The melt area will increase, the heat will begin to penetrate more intensively into the depth. In the end, a constant melt surface is established. Increase the laser power, let the irradiation reach 107 W / cm2. In this case, together with melting, the metal will boil and evaporate. A hole forms on the surface, which begins to change in size. We further increase the laser power - let the irradiation reach 9 2 W / cmXNUMX. In this case, the light will begin to ionize the vapors of the substance, turning them into a plasma. It is known that plasma intensively absorbs light, so the access of energy to the metal will cease.

          In the pulsed laser mode, the picture will be slightly different. If irradiation is sufficient so that the material not only melts, but also boils, and the pulse duration is short - about 10-7 s, then a significant part of the energy will be absorbed in the metal. But in a short time, heat will not penetrate inside, the surface of the melt will not increase and intense evaporation will begin. Therefore, in this case, the bulk of the energy is spent on evaporation, and not on melting.

          Thus, the following recommendations on the use of lasers for metal processing can be offered. For welding, pulses of the order of 10-2..10-4 s are desirable, and for punching holes - 10-5 ... 10-6 s with the required irradiation, which for each material must be defined.

          For example, in order to make a hole in a steel plate 1 mm thick with a laser beam, it is necessary to have a pulse duration of 10-3 s and an energy of about 0,5 J. As a result, we get a hole of 0,1 ... 0,2 mm. To get a hole in a steel plate 5 mm thick, you need a pulse with an energy of 20 to 100 J.


          Everything described happens when cutting or welding, it is all in focus and in a small area. Well, what parameters will be with a distance of 100 meters and even an area of ​​10 cmXNUMX?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 January 2014 14: 55
            0
            Quote: Timeout
            Everything described happens when cutting or welding, it is all in focus and in a small area. Well, what parameters will be with a distance of 100 meters and even an area of ​​10 cmXNUMX?

            Apparently none. Apparently, the installation is a fiction
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 20 January 2014 18: 05
              +1
              This is from a textbook for vocational school students of the Soviet era, where they taught not ordinary school children, but ordinary physics.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 20 January 2014 21: 56
                +1
                Quote: Timeout
                This is from a textbook for vocational school students of the Soviet era, where they taught not ordinary school children, but ordinary physics.

                Interestingly, did he somehow help you adequately perceive the reality that laser weapons today are reality, and that your knowledge is not enough for its adequate perception?
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 20 January 2014 23: 27
      0
      Quote: Pimply
      . But judging by the available data, it was possible to solve


      The LCD has a "dead zone" 4 km. They are going to cover this area with a laser. LCD does not have time to shoot down missiles at short distances. This niche should be filled with a laser.

      1. Pimply
        Pimply 21 January 2014 17: 04
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        Quote: Ascetic
        The LCD has a "dead zone" 4 km. They are going to cover this area with a laser. LCD does not have time to shoot down missiles at short distances. This niche should be filled with a laser.

        Yes. Small heights and short range of shells.
  • family tree
    family tree 20 January 2014 09: 29
    +4
    And in the picture, what kind of MANPADS, otherwise it's not visible? Or is it a rocket-powered laser what, or the signature to the picture, again mixed up.
  • VADEL
    VADEL 20 January 2014 09: 30
    +5
    "Merrily" Jews live - "iron domes", metal fences, magic wands.
  • Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 20 January 2014 09: 31
    +2
    It's time to make an interceptor from bullets of different caliber)))
  • kelevra
    kelevra 20 January 2014 09: 52
    0
    I am surprised by the phrase intercepting mortar shells! Is this possible ?!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: kelevra
      I am surprised by the phrase intercepting mortar shells! Is this possible ?!


      I posted a video from testing a similar system
      1. Rebus
        Rebus 20 January 2014 11: 51
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        I posted a video from testing a similar system

        The best way to intercept mortar, artillery and TP shells is counter-battery shooting, or the destruction of a mortar or artillery installation on the march. Using, for these purposes, laser systems is nonsense and a waste of money, and most importantly is not effective.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 13
          -1
          Quote: Rebus
          The best way to intercept mortar, artillery and TP shells is counter-battery shooting, or the destruction of a mortar or artillery installation on the march. Using, for these purposes, laser systems is nonsense and a waste of money, and most importantly is not effective.

          Right. Tell me, are you always able to catch the installation on the march? And does she always go beautifully and openly?
          1. Rebus
            Rebus 20 January 2014 12: 25
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            Quote: Pimply
            Are you always able to catch the installation on the march? And does she always go beautifully and openly?

            And reconnaissance, for what (radar, acoustic, space, UAV, undercover, optical, seismic)? Or Israel does not have intelligence, and does not observe dangerous directions?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 28
              0
              Quote: Rebus
              And reconnaissance, for what (radar, acoustic, space, UAV, undercover, optical, seismic)? Or Israel does not have intelligence, and does not observe dangerous directions?

              It has. It's just that you're talking nonsense right now. If I have body armor, I don’t need an armored personnel carrier, a helmet and a machine gun, so, in your opinion?

              Or why Russia needs missile defense if there is aviation and intelligence?
              1. Rebus
                Rebus 20 January 2014 13: 03
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                It's just that you're talking nonsense right now

                What is the nonsense? Is it necessary to use early warning means, is it better to destroy enemy artillery proactively?
                If I have body armor, I don’t need an armored personnel carrier, a helmet and a machine gun, so, in your opinion?

                But this is nonsense, he did not say anything like this, did not write, did not think.
                Or why Russia needs missile defense if there is aviation and intelligence?
                Is this your personal nonsense?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 20 January 2014 13: 13
                  -1
                  Quote: Rebus

                  What is the nonsense? Is it necessary to use early warning means, is it better to destroy enemy artillery proactively?

                  In the fact that you think that you can do it only with preventive means. No one argues that this is the best way. Only this is not always possible. And too often not always.

                  Quote: Rebus
                  Is this your personal nonsense?

                  No, this is yours. You talk about the inefficiency of the system, pushing for preventive measures, and abandoning a layered missile defense. And am I carrying my personal nonsense?
                  1. Rebus
                    Rebus 20 January 2014 13: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: Pimply
                    You talk about the inefficiency of the system, pushing for preventive measures, and abandoning a layered missile defense. And am I carrying my personal nonsense?

                    The inefficiency of this system, against artillery shells, is obvious:
                    1. High power consumption.
                    2. Low efficiency.
                    3. The range is comparable to a machine gun.
                    4. When an ablation coating is applied to the surface of a mine (for example, graphite grease), the laser effect will be zero. During the nuclear tests, on the Envetok Atoll in the early 60s, at a distance of 9m from the epicenter of the explosion, steel spheres coated with graphite were placed. The spheres were found to be intact after the explosion, a thin layer of graphite evaporated from their surfaces, that is, the temperature effect, which is also the effect of the laser, can be reduced to a safe level or brought to nothing.
                    5. The high cost of manufacturing the installation.

                    Such installations, in my opinion, can be effectively used against UAVs to disable digital optical systems.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: Rebus
                      1. High power consumption.

                      The cost of a shot of a pilot plant ranged from $ 1000 to $ 3000
                      Quote: Rebus
                      2. Low efficiency.

                      How low
                      Quote: Rebus
                      3. The range is comparable to a machine gun.

                      With which machine gun and which of the currently available systems are you talking about?
                      Quote: Rebus
                      . When an ablation coating is applied to the surface of a mine (for example, graphite grease), the laser effect will be zero. During the nuclear tests, on the Envetok Atoll in the early 60s, at a distance of 9m from the epicenter of the explosion, steel spheres coated with graphite were placed. The spheres were found to be intact after the explosion, a thin layer of graphite evaporated from their surfaces, that is, the temperature effect, which is also the effect of the laser, can be reduced to a safe level or brought to nothing.

                      Too often today they say to me "the effect of the laser will be zero". Apparently, this is why four large international consortia, which have been working in this area for decades, already offer their installations.
                      1. Rebus
                        Rebus 20 January 2014 16: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        How low

                        The efficiency of solid-state lasers does not exceed 10%, this is in theory, in practice no more than 3%

                        Quote: Pimply
                        With which machine gun and which of the currently available systems are you talking about?
                        You yourself answered your question earlier
                        Quote: Pimply
                        That is why, apparently, the system that Raphael is going to introduce must destroy targets in the lower echelon of defense.

                        We conclude no more than 2km.

                        Quote: Pimply
                        Too often today they say to me "the effect of the laser will be zero". Apparently, this is why four large international consortia, which have been working in this area for decades, already offer their installations.

                        All this, only experimental installations on which the technology is being developed ...
                        I’m not saying that such installations are not possible, but I’m talking about unresolved issues that should be resolved before being put into production.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 January 2014 21: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Rebus
                        You yourself answered your question earlier

                        The gun is not a machine gun. Testing the system does not mean that the range is comparable

                        Efficiency of far from all solid-state lasers - 10%
    2. Timeout
      Timeout 20 January 2014 12: 52
      +1
      Quote: Pimply
      I posted a video from testing a similar system

      Yes, of course, spectacular broads. Beautiful, only with the influence of the laser does not converge.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 January 2014 13: 09
        0
        Quote: Timeout
        Yes, of course, spectacular broads. Beautiful, only with the influence of the laser does not converge.

        Конечно.
        "Not true! - Thomas does not believe. - This is a lie! This elephant does not look like an elephant at all!" (from)

        You are stubborn, and stubborn is not the case.

        Laser anti-cancer systems have been tested. Not one or two, but tens and hundreds. There are serial samples in service. These are serious Russian scientists. But in your opinion, the most important thing in the world, this cannot be! Bravo! Bravo!
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 20 January 2014 18: 11
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          These are serious Russian scientists.

          Much more serious if the leading developments in heavy duty lasers were conducted in the USSR. And the remaining backlog has not yet been processed so far. What you come across is a drop in the ocean. Do not wander in the clouds, Eugene.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 January 2014 22: 00
            +1
            Quote: Timeout
            Much more serious if the leading developments in heavy duty lasers were conducted in the USSR. And the remaining backlog has not yet been processed so far. What you come across is a drop in the ocean. Do not wander in the clouds, Eugene.

            And why once again this raised nose to our conversation? To say that "everything was" in the USSR? Ok, everything was
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 21 January 2014 03: 33
              0
              Quote: Pimply
              To say that "everything was" in the USSR?

              Eugene, your nose is bulging. I just state this fact. Does that remind you of anything?



              Telescope TG-1 laser locator LE-1 1984 year.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 21 January 2014 03: 57
                0


                Even the layout converges!



                Just don’t say that this is the most profitable layout of all.
                They couldn’t sleep ***:

                This has already happened after everyone escaped.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 21 January 2014 17: 08
                  0
                  The musket also has a barrel and a trigger. M-16 and Ak - automatic. are they all twin brothers?
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 21 January 2014 17: 07
                0
                Quote: Timeout
                Telescope TG-1 laser locator LE-1 1984 year.


                And 30 years since then, it’s not
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 20 January 2014 12: 42
    0
    Quote: kelevra
    I am surprised by the phrase intercepting mortar shells! Is this possible ?!

    Perhaps the truth is effective only against single mines and shells, but in practice this is more than enough.
    Doubt raises the possibility of destruction of the projectile by a laser beam in real conditions
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 46
      -1
      Quote: Old Rocketman
      Perhaps the truth is effective only against single mines and shells, but in practice this is more than enough.
      Doubt raises the possibility of destruction of the projectile by a laser beam in real conditions

      Firstly, I already said above - during the installation tests they shot down a volley of several mortar shells. This is from a dozen years ago.
      Real conditions - well, the system will be tested somewhere. I think not to wait long
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 20 January 2014 14: 38
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        Perhaps the truth is effective only against single mines and shells, but in practice this is more than enough.
        Doubt raises the possibility of destruction of the projectile by a laser beam in real conditions

        Firstly, I already said above - during the installation tests they shot down a volley of several mortar shells. This is from a dozen years ago.
        Real conditions - well, the system will be tested somewhere. I think not to wait long


        And you didn’t try to shoot down missiles with 10 ruble gold, it should work if you disperse laughing
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 32
          +1
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          And you didn’t try to shoot down missiles with 10 ruble gold, it should work if you disperse

          For you the news is that weapons are expensive?
          1000 dollars per shot already on a pilot plant - IS IT EXPENSIVE?
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man 20 January 2014 18: 28
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            And you didn’t try to shoot down missiles with 10 ruble gold, it should work if you disperse

            For you the news is that weapons are expensive?
            1000 dollars per shot already on a pilot plant - IS IT EXPENSIVE?


            Costing in the studio, how do you like to say, give a link
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 January 2014 22: 02
              +1
              http://newsru.co.il/israel/09jul2008/amihai_333.html

              Interview with one of the creators. There are several such links
      2. old rocket man
        old rocket man 20 January 2014 14: 56
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        Firstly, I already said above - during the installation tests they shot down a volley of several mortar shells. This is from a dozen years ago.


        Where is the evidence besides your blah, blah, blah?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 33
          0
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          Where is the evidence besides your blah, blah, blah?

          Yes, in general, in the public domain, there are several dozen interviews - including in Russian, there is information about the tests, there are official reports from the press services of companies and ministries of defense of the United States and Israel. I posted the clips. What exactly will satisfy you from this?
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man 20 January 2014 18: 30
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            What exactly will satisfy you from this?


            Nothing, journalistic chatter is not proof
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 January 2014 22: 03
              +1
              Quote: Old Rocketman
              Nothing, journalistic chatter is not proof

              Official Announcements of the Defense Ministry of Israel and the USA - journalistic talk And what will satisfy? What will be sufficient evidence? Just don’t say that full technical documentation - I think, and it won’t convince you
  • umah
    umah 20 January 2014 10: 15
    +2
    Hmm ... Well, suppose this laser forces to detonate the first flying mine / projectile / rocket. From the explosion, a cloud of combustion products is formed and not the fact that it is transparent, which means that in this cloud the beam focusing is already impossible or difficult. That is, the next mine / projectile / rocket can be shot down much lower, because it takes time to burn a rotating object. And so until the smoke reaches the ground, that is, to the positions of laser air defense. In short, the effectiveness of this weapon is influenced by too many factors, up to air humidity, etc., so that a too capricious air defense system will work out (if at all).
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 20 January 2014 10: 23
      0
      and one of the most important. the rocket is not standing still, it is moving, the laser must "go" with it, and what should be done?
      Here I am about the same. And not just a lot of factors, but a lot of RANDOM factors, which are not possible to predict.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 35
      0
      Quote: umah
      Hmm ... Well, suppose this laser forces to detonate the first flying mine / projectile / rocket. From the explosion, a cloud of combustion products is formed and not the fact that it is transparent, which means that in this cloud the beam focusing is already impossible or difficult. That is, the next mine / projectile / rocket can be shot down much lower, because it takes time to burn a rotating object. And so until the smoke reaches the ground, that is, to the positions of laser air defense. In short, the effectiveness of this weapon is influenced by too many factors, up to air humidity, etc., so that a too capricious air defense system will work out (if at all).

      They do not fly in the same line, if that. And what cloud is there? What really raises questions is working in difficult weather conditions.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 20 January 2014 14: 48
        +1
        [quote = Pimpled] [quote

        That’s why they don’t love you, specifically you. Well, I laid out the correct theory, well, showed EXPERIENCEDinstallation, but you have to reserve the last word and prove that "black" is also a color.
        Well, it’s impossible now to create a mobile laser unit of the required power, and it won’t have more seconds to destroy, and with your power values ​​it takes just a few seconds,
        Well, admit the obvious, but they solved a lot of guidance problems, but the rest is all for now, dreams.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 42
          -1
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          Well, it’s impossible now to create a mobile laser unit of the required power, and it will not have a few seconds to destroy, and with your power values ​​it takes just a few seconds,
          Well, admit the obvious, but they solved a lot of guidance problems, but the rest is all for now, dreams.

          That is why there is SkyGuard, for example - well, absolutely impossible from your point of view. And what is mobility for you? And for what purpose?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 20 January 2014 10: 19
    0
    New Iron Beam interception system for missiles and mortar shells

    to shoot down a mortar shell is generally tin. I really didn’t understand the heading.
    1. Professor
      20 January 2014 11: 27
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      to shoot down a mortar shell is generally tin. I really didn’t understand the heading.

      Nautilus, on the roller above, also shot down a mortar shell.

      PS
      And here, three pieces in a row are knocked down:
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 33
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      to shoot down a mortar shell is generally tin. I really didn’t understand the heading.

      I posted a test video there
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 20 January 2014 12: 13
        0
        Hi Zhenya, hello Oleg. Impressed. Hammers. hi
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 17
          +1
          Quote: ed65b
          Hi Zhenya, hello Oleg. Impressed. Hammers.

          Hey. Look, this system must be evaluated soberly. She has many shortcomings, although she certainly performed interesting tasks. This is the future. It was far away yesterday, and today it is very close. Who would have believed ten years ago that we would each have a manual videophone.
          In laser protection systems there is still where to go, and where to go a lot. But the first - and very serious steps - have already been taken.

          By the way, a good article on the topic, read

          http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2011-11-03/12_giperboloidy.html
  • 31231
    31231 20 January 2014 10: 29
    -2
    Something while the Jews are sleeping. And then they dooo, they’ll write complaints.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 20 January 2014 10: 33
      +2
      Quote: 31231
      Something while the Jews are sleeping. And then they dooo, they’ll write complaints.

      Right now, they will appear to explain what and how they will prove it. Soon they will shoot down bullets on the fly.
  • Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 20 January 2014 10: 39
    -1
    An iron ray, an iron dome, a sling of David - who comes up with these names? In the manner of the Chinese. ))) -fire arrows, flying sting
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 20 January 2014 12: 48
      +2
      Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
      An iron ray, an iron dome, a sling of David - who comes up with these names? In the manner of the Chinese. ))) -fire arrows, flying sting


      Well, an enthusiastic idiom is characteristic of many generals and nationality does not play a role here.
      "General" is an international clinic laughing
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 20 January 2014 10: 44
    0
    Quote: Ivan79
    "Iron Ray"

    As I read the name I immediately thought - Israel.

    lol
  • abc_alex
    abc_alex 20 January 2014 10: 47
    +3
    Dear, let's still remember what we're talking about israeli OPK. And he works primarily to meet the needs of a very specific theater of operations. It has no maneuvering warheads and supersonic cruise missiles, no massive howitzer artillery raids or 120-mm mortar battery attacks, the crews of which can hold 12 minutes in the air (by the way, this is a record, not an ordinary phenomenon). And there are ballistic homemade products or NURS analogs of the very first Soviet "Grad" and single mines flying from the side of the bearded. The most modern multi-echelon missile defense system is being built up against them. Someone in Rafal sees the last echelons of the laser complex. So what? Most likely, he will have to shoot once every half a year, and he will never have to reflect a massive raid. He will receive target designation from systems of earlier echelons. And no one forbids placing at least a battery of rapid-fire cannons next to the laser. :)

    The speed of mines in Soviet mortars of 2 MV up to 120 mm inclusive does not exceed 300 m / s at the cut of the barrel - this is slightly more than 1000 km / h. Moreover, the smaller the caliber, the less. Given that the trajectory of the mine is strictly ballistic, think for yourself whether it is so difficult to intercept it?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 11: 45
      -1
      Homemade products were at an early stage - this time. Now it's quite a series.
      Two - the Israeli military-industrial complex works ahead and ahead of schedule, therefore it cannot work only against homemade products - it is taken into account that they will not fly at all.
      Three - Israeli defense industry products are exported by more than 80%. Developing something based solely on your own theater for Israel is an unthinkable luxury
  • nod739
    nod739 20 January 2014 10: 55
    +3
    at a short distance ??? last echelon ??
    any high-speed gun can cope with this task, while it’s two orders of magnitude cheaper than any laser, and it can work in fog and rain

    sawing money, and therefore develop expensive beautiful things
    but everything has long been invented
    1. Professor
      20 January 2014 11: 47
      +1
      Quote: nod739
      any high-speed gun can cope with this task, while it’s two orders of magnitude cheaper than any laser, and it can work in fog and rain

      They also checked a quick-fire ship’s gun, not a fountain, damn expensive and sometimes shells fall to the ground, and there ...
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 08
      -1
      Quote: nod739
      any high-speed gun can cope with this task, while it’s two orders of magnitude cheaper than any laser, and it can work in fog and rain

      And now why aren't high-speed guns used. Do you think everything is dumber than you? Fragments and thousands of shells flying into the air, where will you later go?
      1. yehat
        yehat 20 January 2014 12: 30
        0
        well, fragments of the defeat in any case will be ...
        by the way, but where do you get them with a different defeat)))
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 32
          -1
          Quote: yehat
          well, fragments of the defeat in any case will be ...
          by the way, but where do you get them with a different defeat)))

          It’s just that some of them can be destroyed, and the probability of hitting people from thousands of shells that are trying to bring down this shell will be reduced.

      2. yehat
        yehat 20 January 2014 12: 30
        0
        well, fragments of the defeat in any case will be ...
        by the way, but where do you get them with a different defeat)))
        1. Professor
          20 January 2014 13: 56
          0
          Quote: yehat
          by the way, but where do you get them with a different defeat)))

          And there is a danger that the remains of the interceptor will be harmful, but this danger is less.

          Article on the danger of fragments:
          רסיסים על עוטף עזה: הנזקים שגורמת "כיפת ברזל"
    3. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 21 January 2014 07: 19
      0
      Quote: nod739
      but everything has long been invented

      Yeah ...
  • not good
    not good 20 January 2014 10: 58
    +3
    For the kit, you also need to develop a tank - "Iron Kaput" laughing
  • ed65b
    ed65b 20 January 2014 12: 17
    0
    I watched a video of how we tried to shoot down our drone with carapace cannons during exercises, probably spent more shells than the drone itself costs. and didn’t have to be shot down by a rocket.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 25
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      I watched a video of how we tried to shoot down our drone with carapace cannons during exercises, probably spent more shells than the drone itself costs. and didn’t have to be shot down by a rocket.

      In general, about that
  • AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 20 January 2014 12: 19
    +2
    here are the results of desertion of near-scientific figures from Soviet and Russian scientific institutes, together with the developed technologies. slap the Union in its time the question of the dominance of cosmopolitans in domestic science
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 26
      -3
      Quote: AlexxxNik
      here are the results of desertion of near-scientific figures from Soviet and Russian scientific institutes, together with the developed technologies. slap the Union in its time the question of the dominance of cosmopolitans in domestic science

      In the Israeli military-industrial complex, the share of representatives of the scientific school of the USSR is minimal.
      1. AlexxxNik
        AlexxxNik 20 January 2014 14: 36
        0
        Of course, it was only in the USSR that they held eloquent mediocrity in leading positions, leaked what they knew and go to the allowance, who needs you without a donor team. I do not idealize Israel, but I guess that there are no balobols in applied science
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 44
          -1
          Quote: AlexxxNik
          Of course, it was only in the USSR that they held eloquent mediocrity in leading positions, leaked what they knew and go to the allowance, who needs you without a donor team. I do not idealize Israel, but I guess that there are no balobols in applied science

          Dear, I’m talking about a real situation. It was in the military-industrial complex - I’m talking specifically about this area - there were at least immigrants from the former USSR until recently.
  • HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 20 January 2014 12: 44
    +2
    As always, in his own spirit: they didn’t seem to lie, but turned out so that you won’t understand anything:
    1. The system can really shoot down even mortar shots. But it may not bring down. So far, success under test conditions (weather conditions + launch information) is about 10% and varies for different purposes.
    2. There really is no radiation in the laser. But for chemical pumping of such proportions, that rubbish is also needed + The laser consumes not only electricity. It’s more expensive to pump electricity with yourself, and for this, consumables are not very safe.
    3. Preparation for a shot: unlike a rocket, where you pressed the button and forgot, in a laser a shot is preceded by a number of technological processes. And constantly keeping it "cocked" is expensive.
    As a result, the wise government refused this prodigy. And why then they constantly return to these developments - everything is simple. They come up with a new type of pumping and think, well now we can definitely.
    In my opinion, when you hear that a gamma laser is implemented, then start laser wars, but for now this is nothing more than scarecrows.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 January 2014 12: 50
      -1
      Quote: HollyGremlin
      1. The system can really shoot down even mortar shots. But it may not bring down. So far, success under test conditions (weather conditions + launch information) is about 10% and varies for different purposes.

      Link. And it is desirable - according to this system and fresh.

      Quote: HollyGremlin
      2. There really is no radiation in the laser. But for chemical pumping of such proportions, that rubbish is also needed + The laser consumes not only electricity. It’s more expensive to pump electricity with yourself, and for this, consumables are not very safe.

      Nautilus produced pollution in 100 square meters. meters


      Quote: HollyGremlin
      In my opinion, when you hear that a gamma laser is implemented, then start laser wars, but for now this is nothing more than scarecrows.

      So far, these are not scarecrows, but missile defense systems of limited use. But this is a step into the future
      1. HollyGremlin
        HollyGremlin 20 January 2014 15: 25
        +1
        According to statistics, the iron dome knocks down 30% of rockets (took the German wiki as less interested, English speaks of 75%, Israeli speaks of 100%, ours speaks of 10%). At the expense of numbers, you can argue with your brother forever, masters however, but the phrase from the English wiki speaks for itself:
        "The decision came as a result of" its bulkiness, high costs and poor anticipated results on the battlefield. "
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 January 2014 15: 50
          -1
          Quote: HollyGremlin
          According to statistics, the iron dome knocks down 30% of rockets (took the German wiki as less interested, English speaks of 75%, Israeli speaks of 100%, ours speaks of 10%).

          Do you take data from the wiki? Oh well. Are you up to date on how the iron dome works? And something I do not remember the numbers 75 and 100 in the English and Israeli wikis, respectively?

          LCD shoots down from 85 to 95 missiles (the number changes) flying to residential areas. Some of the Dome missiles are ignored as they fall in the open. There you have the difference. If you still haven’t figured it out. 30 percent is 30 percent of the total number of missiles fired. In all the specifications of the dome, it is indicated that it intentionally ignores part of the missiles that do not pose a direct threat to the population
        2. Professor
          20 January 2014 15: 53
          +1
          Quote: HollyGremlin
          According to statistics, the iron dome knocks down 30% of rockets (took the German wiki as less interested, English speaks of 75%, Israeli speaks of 100%, ours speaks of 10%).

          OK, where are the missed 70-90% missiles? Where are the victims and destruction? Just yesterday, according to Ashkelon, the terrorists fired 6 missiles, 5 were intercepted, one did not hit the city (they did not spend on it). Are they lying?
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 20 January 2014 12: 54
    0
    Quote: HollyGremlin
    In my opinion, when you hear that a gamma laser is implemented, then start laser wars, but for now this is nothing more than scarecrows


    Gee-yyy, then immediately you need to implement lead pants for calculation laughing
  • Hug
    Hug 20 January 2014 16: 43
    0
    Firstly, I am very glad that at last Israel has an effective means against mortar attacks and "hail".
    Secondly, it "works" and works well - otherwise it would not have been adopted by Israel. The Israeli military-industrial complex never "crowed" prematurely, without testing its developments, did not announce them loudly as "unparalleled" like some (and then this "unparalleled" did not fly, did not shoot, or was brought to mind for 10 years - I hope everyone understands who and what I mean). As far as I remember, not a single state has a really operating laser facility for these purposes, so why not recognize what others have: "this cannot be, because it can never be." After all, it is precisely this argumentation among the deniers of the incredible, although the obvious. Humble your pride and be glad that at least someone can really resist the freaks from Hamas, HISBOL, and other "progressive and peaceful" terrorist movements.
    Thirdly, when the security of the state and its citizens is at stake, the conversation about costs can only be in the key of "how much money is needed for this," and "not how much it costs."
    Fourth, regarding mobility: is this condition in the performance characteristics of the complex the main and main one? Yes, let this device be the size of a 5-storey building, the main thing is to destroy mines. These weapons were not designed for mobile combat operations in maneuver warfare.
    And against the massive and prolonged shelling in Israel, there are aviation and other means of "education", which very unequivocally and promptly know how to hint that the ascension to the "40 Immaculate Hurias" is not such an impossible or long-awaited dream for "faithful" mortars and missilemen - allah is "akbar"
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 20 January 2014 17: 16
      -2
      Quote: Kram
      Fourth, regarding mobility: is this condition in the performance characteristics of the complex the main and main one? Yes, let this device be the size of a 5-storey building, the main thing is to destroy mines. These weapons were not designed for mobile combat operations in maneuver warfare.


      And sho, Marik, have you already reached an agreement with Hamaz? Will he drag his mortars to your "device"? wassat
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 January 2014 22: 04
        +1
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        And sho, Marik, have you already reached an agreement with Hamaz? Will he drag his mortars to your "device"?

        Now something smart
      2. Hug
        Hug 20 January 2014 23: 09
        -2
        Quote: old rocket

        And sho, Marik, have you already reached an agreement with Hamaz? Will he drag his mortars to your "device"?


        I suspect you are proud of yourself and of writing such a sarcastic commentary with equally "deep" content. However, before writing, one should look at the map of Israel and get acquainted with its "geography", find out the length of the border with the sector and the length of the border with Lebanon and, only after that, try to give out something in the form of "smart" thoughts, beforehand clearly and clearly formulating them. The officer should, at a minimum, be able to clearly articulate what he wants to say. Otherwise, it is not an officer, but a laughingstock.
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 20 January 2014 17: 24
    0
    In short, to summarize, we can say the matter is left to the small.
    To provide a 3MW laser with energy to figure out how to carry a 300MW power plant behind it, I want to warn you right away, the Los Angeles-type nuclear submarine has not yet been taught to walk on the sands laughing
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 20 January 2014 18: 36
      0
      Yeah, they also have a shell ceases to rotate and substitutes the desired point for heating. And the detection, capture and tracking system is capable of falling into a target the size of a piglet flying at a speed of 2,5 MAX. smile
  • papuasimus
    papuasimus 20 January 2014 17: 43
    +1
    An article about anything, gave a minus.
    Here are the comments - another thing, a plus for the participants .....
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 20 January 2014 18: 41
    +1
    At the booth, a good athlete knocks down 95 plates out of a hundred, God forbid every third duck, the percentage of getting into a hazel grouse taking off from under his feet is even less, to give out the test results of a prototype for the victory of a Jewish ambition cleaner than Polish hi
  • Boricello
    Boricello 20 January 2014 19: 06
    -1
    In my opinion there are several aspects that I would consider. 1 Shooting is carried out in a firing range, it is known who from where and when will shoot. + all performance characteristics of the shot. This facilitates and accelerates the reaction time of the complex. 2 Well, how not to honor Israel ahead of the rest for 100 years ahead. USA, Germany, Russia (which is far from the last place in the development of lasers) and other countries no one !!! not put into service combat lasers. However, it was necessary to call the complex Archimedes .... he, too, having polished the shields burned the fleet. Something the United States mounted a huge installation on a plane to burn a rocket, and in fact, it turned out that all this is zilch, an empty phrase. It seems that only downs or hydrocephalus live in the world. And there Israel offers an iron dome and other systems, and there ... but they don’t take the underdeveloped !!!! smile Why is it interesting?
  • Boricello
    Boricello 20 January 2014 21: 19
    -1
    Well, minus you can not hurt me .... But still the question remained unanswered. Who else bought such wonderful and unique iron domes, and others like them? Well, at least 2 countries except the promised land? And do not say that the Jews such proud people did not offer it to anyone. Everyone knows that Israel is actively offering an iron dome. Do not take. I do not say that he is bad but not as good as they say about him. I’m not saying that Israeli weapons are bad .... they are very good, but they are better because they don’t take them. Just like the sand dreadnought merkava.
    1. Hug
      Hug 20 January 2014 23: 21
      -1
      Quote: Boricello
      ... Who else bought such wonderful and unique iron domes, and others like them?


      USA, Japan and South Korea intend to buy the Iron Dome air defense system (http://nashe.orbita.co.il/blogs/news/21924)

      India again intends to buy the "Iron Dome" from Israel (http://russian.rt.com/article/12260)
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 20 January 2014 22: 01
    0
    Quote: ImPerts
    Many of our compatriots live and work there. Israeli defense industry has advanced well over the past 20 years

    My imperialist fundamentalism still does not understand the nature of the minuses)))
  • Boricello
    Boricello 21 January 2014 17: 36
    0
    Intention is just words ... When they buy then we will talk.