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The United States "merge" Erdogan?

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It seems that, wishing to become the most powerful country in the Middle East, Turkey stumbled: Recep Tayyip Erdogan was at the center of a loud corruption scandal, unable to influence the outcome of the war in Syria, and could not stop the decline in the lira. The rating of the Prime Minister is steadily falling, in the republic that protests have not stopped for a week. Despite all the problems, Erdogan wants to put forward his candidacy in the upcoming presidential elections - but who will support him?

"Big Bribe" and other adventures of Erdogan

As a result of the corruption scandal that began at the end of last year, the Turkish prime minister was completely isolated. It is opposed by students who still remember the May unrest, police and military, dissatisfied with the mass arrests of security officials, supporters of informal religious movements who want to come to power, and President Abdullah Gul himself, who is trying to distance himself from the failed policy of Erdogan. It is characteristic that it was thanks to the support of the latter that Gul became president. Prior to that, Gul, like Erdogan, was Prime Minister. It seems that Recep wants to repeat the path of his former patron, having won the presidential election this year.

It should also be noted that both Gul and Erdogan are considered moderate Islamists. Ataturk's followers consider them a threat to the republic. It is worth noting that most of the adherents of the old order are officers, so one should not be surprised at the massive anti-government sentiment among high-ranking military personnel. They are also supported by police officials who initiated the large-scale operation “Big Bribe”.

The edge of the operation was directed against the current cabinet. During a series of investigations, many ministers of Erdogan managed to convict of embezzlement and bribery. The three "at fault" ministers immediately resigned, while several bankers, closely associated with the government, were arrested.

It turned out that the offspring of many officials were selling drugs and weapons, part of which was intended for the Syrian militants. However, this is not surprising: everyone knows the position of Turkey and its willingness to help the fundamentalists. Most interesting of all, the employees of the state-owned Halkbank helped Iran purchase large quantities of gold, although the Islamic Republic is considered to be almost the main enemy of Turkey. Now the actions of ministers can be interpreted not just as ordinary corruption, but as a betrayal.

However, the position taken by Erdogan in relation to Syria and Iran is unpopular with voters. The media criticized the prime minister for his excessive militancy and readiness to get involved in the Syrian conflict on the side of Al-Qaida of other Islamist groups - more aggressive like-minded Party of Justice and Development. Turkey learned nothing from the Syrian war, and this failure in foreign policy is also attributed to Erdogan.

The Prime Minister was also incompetent in financial matters. Back in the spring of 2013, the Turkish lira began to decline gradually, and the national debt began to grow. The central bank was unable to remedy the situation by reducing interest rates. On top of this, the economic instability that began in May, which reached its apogee after the Big Bribe operation, affected the economy.

Who is to blame?

Erdogan had many enemies during his reign; these are both Islamic and secular opposition, as well as military, guarding the republic. Of the external enemies of Turkey, attention should be paid to Saudi Arabia, Israel and the United States - each of these states has claims against the Turkish government in general and Erdogan in particular.

For example, Turkey is a natural rival for the Saudis in the Middle East, and victory over it guarantees dominance in Syria and Egypt. Israel is unhappy with the activation of Turkish foreign policy in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and even in Palestine, and still cannot forget the incident with "Flotilla freedom. " As for the United States, they are exactly the opposite, categorically not satisfied that Turkey did not get involved in the Syrian war and remains inactive. If this happened, the United States would have killed two birds with one stone: on the one hand, Bashar al-Assad would have to fight a very strong opponent, and on the other, the Erdogan government would quickly resign under the influence of anti-war sentiment, after which the last island of stability on The Middle East would be mired in an abyss of revolutionary unrest.

Erdogan just planned to do exactly as he was ordered by foreign sponsors, but he faced the strongest opposition in the country. The army in the battle was not much torn, and many secular officers doubted whether to intervene at all in the Syrian adventure. As a result, despite many reasons, the Turkish invasion of Syria remained the fantasy of Erdogan and the American politicians.

The destabilization of Turkey is important to Israel and the United States also for the revitalization of the Kurdish movement. Israel is known for its support for the Kurdish parties fighting the Islamic Republic of Iran. According to the Israeli secret services, the Kurds are a great deterrent against Iran. The hands of Kurdish separatists at the expense of Israel in recent years have been committed several high-profile terrorist attacks and contract killings. "Syrian Kurdistan" was created with the tacit consent of Israel; In any case, Tel Aviv was pleased with the “cut” of one of its former enemies, Syria.

However, Kurdish also wanted to use Erdogan: he leads a very active trade policy in Iraqi Kurdistan, exchanging essential oil items. Iraqi Kurdistan has made a lot of money selling energy, but so far autonomy has invested these funds only in its own economy. Experts predict that in the future Kurdistan may direct part of the funds to the development of the backward eastern regions of Turkey, mostly populated by Kurds.

Closer to Iraqi Kurdistan, Erdogan wants to get the votes of Turkish Kurds. However, for the time being, Israel and the USA are skillfully playing the Kurdish card, so Turkish Kurds are about to fall off the Prime Minister’s political hook. In this situation, Erdogan has no choice but to reconcile with the Kurds in an attempt to gain their support in the upcoming presidential elections.

Erdogan - the failed murderer of secular Turkey?

The current Turkish Prime Minister has long been considered a moderate cleric, who, together with President Gul, is ready to abandon the path of development proposed by Kemal Ataturk. That is why the United States favored Turkey for a long time: thus, the States hoped to bribe the Islamists, tilting them to their side. But in 2011, the Middle East abscess burst, and all the pus came out. It turned out that it is possible to support not only moderate, but also radical Islamists, in whose eyes Erdogan and Gul are almost traitors to Islam.

It turns out that Turkey began a gradual drift towards moderate Islamism back in the “zero” years, when the power of the military weakened significantly. If Erdogan had another five years left, he could well have become the killer of a secular republic, but not destiny: now, when Islamism is planted in the Middle East at an accelerated pace, Erdogan does not suit anyone.

The current Prime Minister of Turkey can no longer remain in politics for both objective and subjective reasons. At the end of last year, the circumstances were such that many supporters turned away from Erdogan, and his external and internal enemies rallied. Erdogan made many mistakes himself, for example, trying to get Turkey involved in a Syrian conflict.

It is not known how the current acute political crisis in Turkey will end. But surely, one thing can be said: Ataturk’s Republic is undergoing great changes. The old model has outlived itself, and many of the Turks do not accept Islamism, which is actively imposed by the ruling party and part of the opposition. In the coming years, the country will be forced to look for a new path, and the range of options is very wide, ranging from military dictatorship based on the ideas of Pan-Turkism, and ending with the introduction of Sharia norms.
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  1. rugor
    rugor 20 January 2014 09: 26
    +9
    Well, what is the Turkish empire, not the 17th century in the yard, they don’t even take it to the European Union.
    1. Romn
      Romn 20 January 2014 09: 28
      +16
      For what he fought, he ran into something! How much good he did for his neighbors, how many security officials he transplanted, how he pressed the rest, so he jumped ... They began to overthrow him.
      1. rerbi
        rerbi 20 January 2014 11: 18
        +3
        ear ... good ... there is a slightly different point of view ... that ours could put a hand here ... and there is a reason ..

        http://www.allmirest.org/news/problema_ehrdogana_s_rossiej/2014-01-20-541
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 20 January 2014 09: 33
      0
      As for Europe, there is an agreement, in the sense that they are about to be in the EU, because for the sake of this, only the Turks fulfilled all the humanitarian requirements of the EU, as they said, we have been waiting for 8 years, like pregnancy, but there is still no fetus ...
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 20 January 2014 12: 11
        +3
        I already wrote that Turkey can go after Syria! And I hung cons!
        But here apparently went through political pressure and not military! But is it still going to be everything 50 on 50! And it is impossible to completely rule out the forceful option of overthrowing the power! You can talk about the bad sides of Erdogan forever!
        But what Erdogan got is the beginning, because the Saudis and the US hawks and the narrow-minded commissioners from the EU did not like the Saudis and the US hawks and the narrow-minded commissioners from the EU, because he flips him against the terrorists in Syria!
        1. alone
          alone 20 January 2014 12: 23
          0
          There will be nothing there. They will calmly reach the elections, and if Erdogan is tired of him, they will simply not be elected. The Turkish system is much different from the system of neighbors. No one in Turkey can rule for 30-40 years, and then transfer control to his offspring. The laws there are just the same work.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 20 January 2014 13: 11
            +2
            All the same, this option may follow, if the Americans and Saud sponsor a revolution! The ideas of the United States about the seizure of power in BV are not far away.
          2. Dezzed
            Dezzed 21 January 2014 08: 46
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            The laws work there.



            The system always works until it stops working.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 20 January 2014 14: 05
          -8
          Quote: Sid.74
          I already wrote that Turkey can go after Syria! And I hung cons!

          get another one laughing for ignorance of the political system of Turkey, the mentality of the Turks. they will never follow the scenario of Syria, because in matters of the country they become even closer when there is a threat to the country's sovereignty. At the beginning of the zero, a conflict broke out over several islands, more precisely, stones that came out of the water with Greece .so then, on rubber boats, the first to set the flag there were representatives of the opposition newspaper, not to mention the military or political parties ...
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 20 January 2014 15: 02
            +2
            That is, the unrest in Taksim Square in the center of Istanbul and then embracing other areas of the city and other cities of Turkey in 2013, it's all small things for you! Is it the unity of the nation and political forces?
            I didn’t say that the Syrian scenario will happen, but Yerdogan may be dismissed and the chair rocked underneath.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 20 January 2014 16: 06
              +2
              Quote: Sid.74
              the center of Istanbul and then covering also other districts of the city and other cities of Turkey in 2013, these are all small things in your opinion

              and when you talk about the Maidan, it's just a piece of Ukraine wassat the rest of them thinks and does not at all, I will also tell YOU that this was a small part of Turkey, which was dispersed .. that's all.
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 20 January 2014 16: 40
                +1
                Quote: smersh70
                and when you talk about the Maidan, it's just a piece of Ukraine

                When did I say that? Kiev is the capital and the problems in it are serious trouble for Ukraine! For example, the Union did not want to break up and voted for preservation in a referendum and what happened! An aggressive minority after seized power!
                I repeat that I do not state the obligation of the Syrian script!
                But the possibility of this exists, if it is paid by the United States and S.A. I do not want the Turks! Only Arab springs are extremely contagious and are spread by intelligence services and terrorist forces in almost any country where the media pump hysteria around the ruling clans! If the US and the EU think it's time for Erdogan to leave, they will be removed as a different question! Revolutions usually arrange aggressive minorities and not the whole country!
          2. Beck
            Beck 20 January 2014 17: 44
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            get one more for ignorance of the Turkish political system of the Turks mentality. they will never follow the scenario of Syria,


            YES ???

            It feels like Sid.74 I did not eat anything sweeter than carrots, I saw nothing rounder than a tomato, I didn’t shout anything except hurray.
          3. Khrushchev
            Khrushchev 21 January 2014 05: 06
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            for ignorance of the political system of Turkey, the mentality of the Turks. they will never go according to the scenario of Syria, because in matters of the country they become even closer,

            Well, who would doubt it. a unique nation as our former prezik myzdobul used to say. In general, once again I am convinced that the Turks are such Turks.
            PS good luck to the Armenians.
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  3. mirag2
    mirag2 20 January 2014 09: 31
    +10
    Erdogan is not the Americans merge, but the Jews.
    It is no secret that the United States has relatively distanced itself from the BV problem, for it is not their area of ​​interest, but the reality is that it is more expensive for itself to get involved in a squabble of its allies if the Turkish lobby were overwhelming in Congress - and not the Jewish - US policy in the BV was would be different ...
    Unleashing Israel’s hands, buying off its hysteria about Iran’s nuclear weapons — increasing subsidies under the FMF investigation program.
    1. Canep
      Canep 20 January 2014 10: 15
      +12
      Hugo Chavez said correctly: - "The only country in which there can be no coup is the United States, since there is no US embassy there."
    2. Do not care
      Do not care 20 January 2014 11: 07
      +2
      Quote: mirag2
      Erdogan is not the Americans merge, but the Jews.
      ...
      .


      And they’re doing it right.
      "You will mess with a fool - you will become a fool yourself"
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    4. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 21 January 2014 05: 47
      +1
      Quote: mirag2
      Erdogan is not the Americans merge, but the Jews.

      Well, he was honestly warned - "there is no need to insist on an apology for dispersing the flotilla Terror freedom ", but he did not listen ... lol
  4. makarov
    makarov 20 January 2014 09: 39
    +12
    ". wishing to become the most powerful country in the Middle East, Turkey overstrained ..",
    and before the hernia they managed to give a shit to all neighbors along the lines. and how now to look in the eyes ??
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 20 January 2014 10: 57
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      ". wishing to become the most powerful country in the Middle East, Turkey overstrained ..",
      and before the hernia they managed to give a shit to all neighbors along the lines. and how now to look in the eyes ??

      He himself managed to give a shit personally with all the politics. After all, the population did not particularly support him in the Syrian issue and Assad did not persecute the Turks in interviews, but reproached the Turkish government. And Turkey's policy has changed a lot over the past six months, this is not such a gateway to Syria as before .
      1. alone
        alone 20 January 2014 12: 27
        +4
        They wanted to confront Turkey with Syria. They wanted Turkey to single-handedly go against Syria. The Turks understood this and stepped aside. Just after that, the jihadists began to have a problem with the delivery of weapons in this direction. The Turks began to intercept everything that goes to the al-Qaeda militants. this is where the confrontation between the militant groups began and because of this the ISIS group began to leave Syria in the direction of Iraq. By the way, Ali, there were fights yesterday in the districts of Baghdad, Igish is already near Baghdad.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 20 January 2014 13: 02
          +5
          Quote: lonely
          They wanted to confront Turkey with Syria. They wanted Turkey to single-handedly go against Syria. The Turks understood this and stepped aside. Just after that, the jihadists began to have a problem with the delivery of weapons in this direction. The Turks began to intercept everything that goes to the al-Qaeda militants. this is where the confrontation between the militant groups began and because of this the ISIS group began to leave Syria in the direction of Iraq. By the way, Ali, there were fights yesterday in the districts of Baghdad, Igish is already near Baghdad.

          Yes, I know yesterday a bunch of trucks with weapons were intercepted in Turkey, and in Baghdad the situation is on the verge that it is not a day of explosions and murders.
  5. morpogr
    morpogr 20 January 2014 09: 40
    +5
    He apparently does not know the sayings do not dig another hole you will get into it yourself.
    1. AVV
      AVV 20 January 2014 15: 42
      +3
      Erdogan was digging a hole for Syria, and he himself fell into it and plunged head over heels into, now he cannot determine whose it is the Saudis, the United States, or Qatar !!!
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 20 January 2014 15: 54
        0
        Quote: AVV
        Erdogan was digging a hole for Syria, and he landed in it and plunged headlong into

        Are you serious? 55% of the population are still ready to vote for Erdogan!

        So study the question and then write!
  6. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 20 January 2014 09: 52
    +7
    Yes, the superpowers could not really put things in order in the BV, right now the Turks will come and do everything, it's not even funny, the Turks are like Poles, just as stupid, without German supervision they turn into a disguised gang of losers and defeatists with out of nowhere arrogance. Until the Turkish ports "Geben" and "Breslau" enter, the Turks will remain a stupid gang.
  7. Ihrek
    Ihrek 20 January 2014 10: 02
    +8
    The problem with the Turks is that they see themselves as a great power, and when there is not enough strength for this, they are very offended both at themselves and at others.
    1. mountain
      mountain 20 January 2014 10: 32
      +1
      Here is your truth, and the change of vectors in the United States. I have the impression that something grand is coming. The United States arranged a mess in the Middle East and pulled Russia into it, and now fussing with China and All neighboring countries are being pulled in. And one cannot do without Russia in the region, at least pulling back troops on the border. Ukraine, LIVING TO CIVIL. And what will America do?
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 20 January 2014 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: Jamal1974
      The problem with the Turks is that they see themselves as a great power, and when there is not enough strength for this, they are very offended both at themselves and at others.

      And it’s actually relevant on the ax))))
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    3. alone
      alone 20 January 2014 12: 28
      +2
      Quote: Jamal1974
      The problem with the Turks is that they see themselves as a great power, and when there is not enough strength for this, they are very offended both at themselves and at others.

      laughing this is the problem of all who consider themselves a great power))) lol
    4. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 20 January 2014 13: 44
      +1
      it’s just not all given to be an empire. and it is right. otherwise they are not very fond of them, and if there are too many of them, there will be too many wars between them.
  8. genisis
    genisis 20 January 2014 10: 03
    +5
    As reported by Anadolu agency, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said literally: "If my child gets dirty about a bribe, I will immediately renounce him."

    “Recently, the main opposition party in Turkey has been waging a black campaign against my children. I say very clearly:“ If any of my children are involved in bribes, I will immediately renounce him, ”Erdogan continued.

    Meanwhile, at least one of Recep Erdogan’s children - Bilal Erdogan - has practically no chance to remain among the sons of the Turkish Prime Minister. Numerous photos of him with one of Al-Qaeda’s financiers walk on the net. We also note that from the first days of the corruption scandal in Turkey, Bilal Erdogan disappeared from the field of law enforcement. There is a fairly reasonable version that he is hiding in Azerbaijan.
    1. alone
      alone 20 January 2014 12: 30
      0
      Quote: genisis
      There is a fairly reasonable version that he is hiding in Azerbaijan.


      Are there facts or are we pulling Azerbaijan into the topic again? Genizis, are you not tired of provoking a srach here? The fact of Erdogan's son staying in Azerbaijan in the studio or are you a provocateur !!
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 20 January 2014 13: 04
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: genisis
        There is a fairly reasonable version that he is hiding in Azerbaijan.


        Are there facts or are we pulling Azerbaijan into the topic again? Genizis, are you not tired of provoking a srach here? The fact of Erdogan's son staying in Azerbaijan in the studio or are you a provocateur !!

        Why facts? He is already a provocateur, so he did not respond to his comments.
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 20 January 2014 15: 32
        -1
        Quote: lonely
        Are there facts or are we pulling Azerbaijan into the topic again? G


        What facts are lonely! Armenian media know everything about Turkey!
      3. makarov
        makarov 20 January 2014 16: 25
        +1
        SW Lobster.
        Unfortunately, on the site there are gomnuk-provocateurs, they come to the point of "kosos" under their own, cling to the flag of the Russian Federation or the USSR under the nickname, and they themselves are in another country.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 20 January 2014 14: 08
      -1
      Quote: genisis
      There is a fairly reasonable version that he is hiding in Azerbaijan.

      .... these are your scouts from Voskepart probably got this info wassat
    3. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 20 January 2014 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: genisis
      Meanwhile, at least one of Recep Erdogan’s children - Bilal Erdogan - has practically no chance to remain among the sons of the Turkish Prime Minister. Numerous photos of him with one of Al-Qaeda’s financiers walk on the net. We also note that from the first days of the corruption scandal in Turkey, Bilal Erdogan disappeared from the field of law enforcement. There is a fairly reasonable version that he is hiding in Azerbaijan.



      What nonsense are you talking about?
  9. Do not care
    Do not care 20 January 2014 10: 11
    0
    The Turks were clearly not lucky with the president.
    Sense from him like a goat of milk but harm in bulk.
    1. rerbi
      rerbi 20 January 2014 10: 48
      +1
      The Turks were clearly not lucky with the president.
      Sense from him like a goat of milk but harm in bulk.


      and why is Abdullah Gul so bad? ... what... wink
      1. Do not care
        Do not care 20 January 2014 11: 00
        -3
        Sorry, - the Prime Minister. Mixed up.
        Abdullah is just fine
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  10. user
    user 20 January 2014 10: 23
    +3
    This is a common practice of the Anglo-Saxons while you need it - you are our best friend, you didn’t need it - you merged (examples are the darkness of Iran, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya....)
  11. kot11180
    kot11180 20 January 2014 10: 24
    +3
    I think if a mess starts in Turkey, it will be bad for everyone in the region, and it will reach us, this situation is artificially created for this purpose
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 20 January 2014 13: 46
      +2
      maybe bad, maybe good. the bosporus and dardanelles are the key to both the black and the mediterranean seas.
      1. kot11180
        kot11180 20 January 2014 17: 34
        +1
        but whose will they be?
  12. NKR
    NKR 20 January 2014 10: 48
    0
    Perhaps the Yankees did it on purpose. In order to distract from some other mess. There are several possible options for this. Far East, Africa or Latin America.
  13. Yeraz
    Yeraz 20 January 2014 10: 52
    +2
    The collapse of Erdogan came when he began to distance himself more and more from Turkism and more and more to twist tricks with the Kurds.
    He had to choose a middle ground, he went too far, so to speak, and the Turks went outside.
    And do not blame him here, under him, the Turkish economy has risen substantially ..
    But he has to go.
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 20 January 2014 11: 01
      +6
      A year ago, when I wrote that Erdogan had betrayed the Türks, they gave me a bunch of minuses.

      Turkey could not intervene in Syria, Palestine, Libya and stick out a bearer of Arab culture and nominate themselves as the leader of the Islamic world. This is an intra-Arab showdown under the patronage of the United States.

      The Türks are more than an appendage of the Arabs.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 20 January 2014 11: 22
        +7
        Quote: KG_patriot_last
        A year ago, when I wrote that Erdogan had betrayed the Türks, they gave me a bunch of minuses.

        Turkey could not intervene in Syria, Palestine, Libya and stick out a bearer of Arab culture and nominate themselves as the leader of the Islamic world. This is an intra-Arab showdown under the patronage of the United States.

        The Türks are more than an appendage of the Arabs.

        Erdogan did not want to understand this.
        He was very pierced when he tried to open the border with the Armenians and rallies all over Turkey and raising the price of gas quickly brought him to his senses, but he didn’t understand the lesson and then began to fraternize with Arabs and Kurds, he just forgot that both Arabs and Kurds were puppets of Amers and Of Israel.
      2. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 20 January 2014 13: 48
        0
        The Türks are more than an appendage of the Arabs.

        It determines not self-conceit, but behavior.
      3. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 20 January 2014 15: 36
        +1
        In Syria and Iraq there are a lot of Turkmens who only hope for Turkey!
  14. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 20 January 2014 10: 54
    +1
    In general, it seems to me that the more Turks crawl into the Middle East swamp, the worse the situation becomes within their own country, of course the Turks want to play the Ottoman Empire, just like we do in the USSR, only if we have a chance to restore the Empire, albeit a ghostly one chance, the turkmen have no strength, no means, no influence for this, it remains only to dream:
    1. matross
      matross 20 January 2014 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Turks want to play Ottoman Empire

      It is from these games all their problems. Neither Russia nor the United States with Israel or the Saudis need a new empire. And when your ambitions conflict with all the players, the result is predetermined. And the result, to put it mildly, is negative.
    2. Beck
      Beck 21 January 2014 07: 15
      +3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Of course, the Turks would like to play the Ottoman Empire, just like we do in the USSR, only if we have a chance to restore the Empire, albeit a ghostly chance,


      Yeah ??? !!!

      This is what happens when they do not crawl out of the den for a long time. After all, it’s not possible to look at the window through the den. I slept all over, sucking my paw.

      What empires? What imperial vanity? IMPERIAL EPOCH - COLONIAL EPOCH in the history of mankind ended in the middle of the 20th century. And her last fragment - the USSR, in 90 years.

      What can be a return to empires, as well as to slavery. Quietly rustling with slate, the roof goes slowly.

      Turkey, like ALL modern states, is trying to promote and strengthen its interests in the region. That's all, and not recreate the Ottoman Empire.

      Well, and about the Russian empire - the USSR, dreaming is not harmful. Only it looks like idiotic dreams in a den where the light of modernity does not penetrate.
  15. broneboy1
    broneboy1 20 January 2014 11: 22
    +3
    The sowing wind will reap the storm.
  16. alone
    alone 20 January 2014 12: 33
    +4
    Arabs are not the force that had to ruin relations with other countries. Erdogan finally realized his mistake. Time will tell if he understood it on time or too late !!
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 20 January 2014 15: 38
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      Arabs are not the kind of force that had to ruin relations with other countries.

      Erdogan wanted to attract Arab investment in Turkey!
      1. ultra
        ultra 20 January 2014 17: 08
        +1
        Quote: ayyildiz
        Erdogan wanted to attract Arab investment in Turkey!

        Grandmothers !!! Now everyone realized that the Turkish Prime Minister for the sake of money and about a donkey in the ass kiss !!!! bully
  17. Irokez
    Irokez 20 January 2014 13: 36
    +2
    And what would you do on the site of Erdogan?
    - He wanted to go to the EU, and he’d like all kinds of reasons to get there.
    - He was friends with the states in order to show that he is spinning with the powers that be.
    - Then all of a sudden his friends with Syria openly crippled and made a choice that they should go to Syria or not ours.
    - GDP is also pushing for promoting the project of the pipeline along the bottom of the Black Sea, and this economy is long-term and profitable rather than spit on it (and Russia is sitting on needles because of this project).
    “The Kurds will show a damn for water.”
    The trouble is that Turkey at this geopolitical time is located in the central region of key events and it is simply unrealistic to disown many processes and it is necessary to somehow maneuver between many lights of different forces.
    It seems to me that Turkey is now the worst of all after Syria and loses trust and influence in the region because of its attempt to please everyone and not lose anything, but this does not happen "Either yours or ours, period."
    The world consensus is that Turkey betrayed Syria by throwing a knife into it and continues quietly, but with a bit to sing along with the West, looking back at Russia's reaction. And note Russia does not drive Turkey and a clear stump why the pipeline, the Olympics and all the same influential neighbor in the region.
    Turkey really right now shit like never before and it is being pressed right now all as in Ukraine, for example, crushed in the EU and the CU with Euromaidowns.
    Islamists cannot be expelled - they will set fire to Turkey and the Kurds will explode, and this is the economic downturn and chaos and tourists will forget the Turkish resorts. Turkey, like a powder keg, like Iraq, is on the verge of war in itself, and who benefits from the European Community with the states, and since a NATO member, then all NATO can shoot in Turkey, and this is not a joke there and Armenia is close with its problems of Nagorno-Karabakh . Everything is very dangerous.
  18. Black
    Black 20 January 2014 14: 52
    0
    The article escalates passions. Erdogan has done a lot for the country. Turkey over the past 10 years has become completely different! The standard of living has grown tremendously. And the people for that Erdogan just will not merge. The raging students, the hidden discontent of the security forces, the Law (which stands firmly in Turkey) will put in place.
  19. Zordan
    Zordan 20 January 2014 14: 54
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    Arabs are not the force that had to ruin relations with other countries. Erdogan finally realized his mistake. Time will tell if he understood it on time or too late !!


    He didn’t understand anything.
  20. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 20 January 2014 14: 55
    0
    Under Ataturk there was no such disgrace
  21. Irokez
    Irokez 20 January 2014 15: 03
    +4
    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    Under Ataturk there was no such disgrace

    It’s easy to speak strength in the chair. Times are not the same, and with the same unrest, one has to act differently. There are no universal solutions besides a hard cut, but at the same time, you can lose a lot in geopolitics and economics and the like.
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 20 January 2014 16: 10
      -1
      Oh, come on, you can’t fuss already. In general, I double, times have changed, now everything is completely different
  22. ZU-23
    ZU-23 20 January 2014 15: 03
    +2
    Erdogan brake, I think after the diplomatic defeat of the Americans in Syria, he needed to immediately change the rhetoric, and he crap to the last, and even Cameron surpassed.
  23. dr.star75
    dr.star75 20 January 2014 16: 39
    +1
    The situation is twofold. Everyone remembers how a year ago Israeli falcons swooped down on Syria, then reports from Turkey go like tanks to the border and shootouts at the border every day. The Turks landed our plane. The people grumbled: how much can you tolerate this? Putin and Erdogan talked, they decided to make the nuclear power plant, all kinds of contracts, and that's it, Turkey is not very worried about the "bloody regime" (and Israel somehow calmed down, neither red, nor green, nor blue lines does not conduct). And who is to blame for everything? Well, Putin is clear, but who else? Erdogan! He did not bring in a limited contingent of troops, disobeyed the order. He, as a man, was warned once (on Tahrir Square) by another, he does not understand! So it's time to change!
  24. Arhj
    Arhj 20 January 2014 21: 08
    0
    The States have once again shown that the United States has no allies, it has sixes. It was Turkey that was smart enough not to get into the "vat of shit", namely Turkey, and not Erdogan. For everyone else, there is a reason to think - if NATO membership is not a guarantee against leakage, then what to expect the same Saudi Arabia or Qatar.
    And in human terms - "God marks rogue."
  25. Urus
    Urus 20 January 2014 21: 51
    0
    There is a map of new borders, on BV.1995, the year-to this goes-quietly-quietly
  26. Urus
    Urus 20 January 2014 21: 58
    0
    For Syria, I’ll have to answer, !! everyone who gasoline-poured-neighbors-radishes
  27. Khrushchev
    Khrushchev 21 January 2014 05: 11
    0
    Quote: Standard Oil
    only now, if we have a chance to restore the Empire, albeit a ghostly chance, the Turks have forces, no means, no influence

    you forget about one very well-known and well-proven Amer. the formula for the success of industrial corporations. At the head of success always lie - people, people and again people (staff in the original) in the Russian-language form "cadres decide everything" although the meaning is not conveyed very well. So in Turkey, people are all right and with traditional values ​​too, but in Russia it is just the opposite, so Russia's chances are much more illusory.
  28. Tigran2
    Tigran2 21 January 2014 20: 41
    0
    an article on the topic where Kilichdaroglo, in the words of Erdogan, shows him who taught his son theft http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/25617127.asp--- theft never goes from son to father and vice versa from father to son.
  29. Druid
    Druid 22 January 2014 00: 31
    0
    In Turkey, until the warriors recover, after numerous arrests there will be a mess, the Islamists took advantage of the fruits of several generations of their predecessors, but they failed.