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Russia without Ukraine can once again become an empire. But can not stay Russia

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Among the politicized Ukrainian public, the opinion of the Kremlin’s treacherous plans to annex or, in extreme cases, dismember Ukraine, is very popular. The dam on Taman and interest in the former Allied CTA are presented as material evidence of these aspirations. The background on which this conviction grows is a popular geopolitical doctrine about the exceptional significance of Ukraine for the Russian imperial project. This idea in itself is absolutely not new, and its quintessence is the formula “Russia's power can be undermined only by the separation of Ukraine from it,” attributed to Otto von Bismarck himself.


Bismarck's vulgarization: from Rudnitsky to Brzezinski

However, a recent audit of the authenticity of the quotation refuted her belonging to the collector of German lands. It turned out that it is absent in the heritage of the Iron Chancellor itself. Probably the first who attributed such considerations to him was Stepan Rudnytsky, the founder of Ukrainian geography, in the brochure “Ukraina und Ukrainer”, released in Vienna shortly after the outbreak of the First World War. Rudnitsky at one time had a great influence on the Ukrainian movement, and, most likely, it was through him that the opinion was confirmed that der grosse Bismarck himself was sympathizing with the Ukrainian liberation struggle. Nevertheless, such views were indeed widespread in Germany and Austria in the second half of the XIX - first half of the XX centuries. and from there they moved to the Ukrainian tradition. It's funny, but in his memoirs, Bismarck himself rather disapprovingly spoke of the Berlin propagandists of the idea of ​​dismembering Russia into "Great Russia and Little Russia."

As is known, in the end, the German elite twice chose for themselves the path of the traditional Drang nach Osten, within which the ideas of rejection of Ukraine looked quite organic. Twice this path led Germany to collapse. The American publicist Mark Adomanis, already in the context of the current attempt of the German elite to enter a new circle of domination in Europe, called it "Germany's propensity for catastrophic geopolitical miscalculations."

Another Ukrainian political crisis that erupted at the end of 2013, again heightened interest in its geopolitical fate. The sudden non-signing of an association agreement with the EU, visits by Western emissaries to Maidan, an impressive loan and a new gas price from Putin — all this looks like another episode of a global epic. Against this background, Zbigniew Brzezinski, a popular character in the Russian folk political demonology, has come to life. Unlike Bismarck, he really devoted his life to promoting the thesis of independent Ukraine as the main obstacle to the imperial revival of Russia. Here, perhaps, his most famous quotation on this topic is: “One should not underestimate the fact that without Ukraine Russia ceases to be an empire, with Ukraine being bought off and then subordinate, Russia automatically becomes an empire.”

However, are the fears of Brzezinski and his Ukrainian admirers and followers justified? Is Ukraine critical for Russia today? What are these statements based on?

On the real role of Ukraine in the formation of the Russian Empire

And today, Brzezinski’s, and a hundred years ago, Rudnitsky’s eyes historical experience in the construction of the Russian Empire. Indeed, the annexation of Kiev, the Dnieper Left Bank and sovereignty over Zaporozhye, finally secured in 1686 by the “Eternal Peace” between the Commonwealth and the Moscow kingdom, allowed the latter to move its borders south and west and gain control over sufficiently developed and densely populated areas, which became bridgeheads for further expansion. However, they did not produce any “automatic transformation” into an empire. And, on the contrary, the annexation of the Right Bank and New Russia (following the partition of Poland and the Russo-Turkish wars) occurred after Russia became an empire and was at the zenith of its power under Catherine the Great.

I do not belittle the historical and geopolitical potential of the Pereiaslav Rada, but in reality there is no automatism that Brzezinski speaks of. The key factor that allowed Peter to assume the imperial title with good reason was the success of his project on “cutting through a window to Europe”. Ukraine here, of course, also played a role - let us remember at least Poltava - but the main battle unfolded not for the “Ukrainian land”, but for the Baltic Sea. We can say that Peter managed to get on the last car of the departing “train of modernity”. Focusing on Holland and England - the leaders of the emerging global capitalist world system - allowed Russia to escape the plight of China or even India, defenseless against external aggressors, above all Europeans. The transfer of the capital to Petersburg, which was specially founded for this purpose, became the most visible image of the modernization of Peter I and Westernization. Then, already under Catherine, the Potemkin project emerged for a new transfer of the capital, which was supposed to mark the throw of Russia to the South, to the Black Sea. To this end, Yekaterinoslav was laid in the new place, and not only Catherine herself, but also the Holy Roman Emperor Joseph II of Hapsburg took part in the solemn ceremony. It is difficult to say how the future fate of Russia would have been if the plan of the Most Serene Prince Tavrichesky had been realized.

In any case, the main thing in the Russian imperial project was in no way Ukraine, but an orientation towards a booming Europe. Of course, the role of the demographic and economic potential of the Ukrainian lands was very important in large-scale mass wars of the XIX-XX centuries. However, even the complete loss of Soviet Ukraine did not lead to defeat in the Great Patriotic War. By the way, the German strategists who followed the Rudnitsky-Bismarck doctrine about the role of Ukraine for the rest of Russia clearly counted on a different outcome.

Window to Asia

But back in today. So are there any grounds for the fears of those who speak of the Kremlin’s desire to devour Ukraine all or at least in parts? As we have seen, the historical background of such confidence is greatly exaggerated. But where is more important.

What is the Putin state taken as a dry residue? "Energy superpower". "Gazprom is a national treasure." Pipelines as “energy weapon Putin's. ” This does not mean that apart from the export of hydrocarbons, there is nothing else. There is a resurgent military-industrial complex, and mechanical engineering, however, largely connected by technological chains with energy. But above all, we are talking about the extraction, production, transportation and export of energy.

If we look at Ukraine from this point of view, we will see that this is just the opposite model: Ukraine is a huge consumer of energy and, last but not least, the buyer of this energy from Russia. Therefore, as long as Russia itself does not change the political economy model focused on energy exports, its leadership has no point in reducing its exports in exchange for social obligations to the Ukrainian population. Geopolitically, with the loss of Ukraine and the Baltic states, Russia has maintained access to the seas, and in the current model it has enough of this output. The most reliable argument in favor of this point of view is that Russia prefers the construction of bypass "flows" along the seabed for the struggle for Ukraine with its GTS.

I think that it is unlikely that anyone will argue with the fact that the “energy superpower” model itself is far from the “imperial revival” that attracts us so much and it scares them so much. Let us recall the Petrine recipe - the transfer of the center of gravity of a power towards a rapidly developing macro-region, in order to become part of this rapid development. Today, Russia no longer makes sense, swallowing Ukraine along the way, to strive towards the West. As Mao said: "The wind from the East is overcome by the wind from the West." The Asia-Pacific region and its undoubted leader, China, became the point of dynamic growth by the beginning of the 21st century. Of course, there are enough of their own problems, both in the near and in the medium term, but these are problems of growth, and not problems of decrepitude, like that of an old European woman. The tradition established by Constantine the Great indicates that the empire is developing in leaps and bounds, and for a new breakthrough, not gradual reforms are needed, but a radical break with the burden of the past. The future of Russia in the 21st century lies on the Pacific Ocean, and the city of Vladivostok must fill its name with new, authentic content.

... The well-known American columnist Walter Russell Mead in his December article “The Great Ukrainian Stabbing” calls out three main geopolitical confrontations of the past year:

1. The Middle East, where Shiite Iran is confidently moving towards regional leadership;

2. Ukraine, which is easier to split than to finally determine the external choice;

3. China, which seeks to break out into the open sea.

Mead emphasizes that in all three cases, the United States acts as a deterrent. But more is important to us. The first of conflicts came to us from the deep past, and if you unravel the threads of this node for a long time, you can get to the Trojan War. We got the second conflict entirely from Moderna, when Russia was making its impetuous "Onslaught on the West", and the Russian armies reached Berlin, Rome and Paris. But the third conflict is the conflict of the future. He has no historical background, and the rules of the game are not written out there yet. Russia, which wants to once again feel the burden of the Empire, is simply obliged to cut through its window into the Pacific Ocean.

However, I did not mention one important detail. Today, Russia is experiencing objective and very acute social problems with the mass migration of people from Central Asia and the Caucasus. This is only part of the “new migration of the peoples” of the global South, which the EU and the US are experiencing. Attempting to cope with the consequences of this process by recognizing the new arrivals of equal rights and opportunities, called multiculturalism, showed its obvious futility, and no new effective recipes have yet been formulated. At the same time, Ukraine, which is impoverished and in a state of permanent crisis, still manages to sit behind national borders. However, it is unlikely she will be able to remain an untouched island for a long time in the middle of an impending demographic storm.

It is in this area that the real need of our countries for each other lies. Without Ukraine, Russia will undoubtedly be able to become an empire again. But it’s hardly possible for such an empire without Ukraine to remain Russia.
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  1. smel
    smel 18 January 2014 08: 15
    +71
    Russia will always remain Russia. With or without Ukraine. But whether Ukraine will remain without Russia a state of the same level that it achieved in a fraternal alliance with it is a question.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 January 2014 08: 37
      +30
      Quote: smel
      But whether Ukraine will remain without Russia a state of the same level that it achieved in a fraternal alliance with it is a question.

      This is no longer a question-answer obvious hi
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 18 January 2014 09: 17
        +17
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This is not a question-answer anymore hi

        So MPs in BP finally understood this:


        The parliament amended 21 laws and the country's code, which will actually make it impossible to continue the “Euromaidan”, will significantly complicate the activities of the opposition, the work of opposition media and foreign-funded public organizations.

        http://news.mail.ru/politics/16535744/?frommail=1
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 18 January 2014 09: 43
          +10
          Quote: smel
          But whether Ukraine will remain without Russia a state of the same level that it achieved in a fraternal alliance with it is a question.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          This is no longer a question-answer obvious



          We must begin with the fact that such a state as Ukraine never existed. It was Russia and Poland (Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth), and only EBN and Co., with the filing of Gorbachev, gave rise to this strange state formation, which has neither ideology, nor its history, but from all the outstanding characters who at least somehow spoke about it Independent Ukraine - Bandera.
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 18 January 2014 15: 00
            0
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            We must begin with the fact that such a state as Ukraine never existed.


            This should be done. It will not be so. Nenado tighten the bandora, let him rest in peace.
          2. Cherdak
            Cherdak 18 January 2014 17: 14
            +3
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            such a state as Ukraine has never been.



            This is the turn of the 17-18 centuries. Poke your finger into the "uka lands"
        2. Samaritan
          Samaritan 18 January 2014 17: 19
          +7
          What are we, that while they don’t peck a cock in the ass ... If a country does not have souvenirs, and the masses are controlled from abroad this is not a state - this is a colony !!!
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 18 January 2014 09: 27
        +11
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This is no longer a question-answer obvious

        Sasha has only one answer and it would be remembered by all the leaders - in the space of the former USSR there is only one player - the Russian people, everything else is an adjective!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 January 2014 09: 56
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          Sasha has only one answer and all leaders would remember it

          E no Victor, the president has power in both Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan. Power is power everywhere, and people are an adjective to it. I would like the other way around, but .... request
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 18 January 2014 13: 36
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , the president has power in both Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan

            Sasha .. No. ... No people, no country, no country, no president. This is not about the government and its supporters, but about a core named Russia, to be more precise and more specifically, the Russian people. After all, it was around him and not the rulers that all nationalities of both the USSR and Russia gathered .. The rulers come and go, the peoples remain. yes
      3. Denis
        Denis 18 January 2014 14: 51
        +14
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This is no longer a question-answer obvious
      4. Cherdak
        Cherdak 18 January 2014 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        the answer is obvious


        Vitali Klitschko guaranteed US support as part of the 2015 presidential campaign

        Mrs. Nuland assured Klitschko that he would definitely get such support not only from the top US leadership. The State Department will also provide a favorable public opinion for Klitschko.

        Victoria Nuland urged Vitali Klitschko to attend the 50th Munich Security Conference, which is scheduled for January 31 - February 2, 2014. His meeting with Senators John McCain and Chris Murphy is already planned. Moreover, the details of Klitschko’s meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry are being discussed.
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 18 January 2014 20: 53
          +3
          Victoria Nuland urged Vitali Klitschko to attend the 50th Munich Security Conference ...
          I look at them, this tradition has taken root, and it all started with the Munich agreement of 1938. winked
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 18 January 2014 08: 52
      +25
      Russia and Ukraine are one whole, which was shared by the traitors in the 1991 year.
      1. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 18 January 2014 10: 08
        +9
        Quote: Deniska999
        Russia and Ukraine are one whole, which was shared by the traitors in the 1991 year.

        I agree, only they began to divide earlier .... in consciousness.
        It is necessary to begin the unification of the Slavic peoples, there is very little time, it is practically gone ... the rest should join, but we must start from ourselves, that is, unite in consciousness. IMHO
      2. morpex
        morpex 19 January 2014 20: 46
        +1
        Quote: Deniska999
        Russia and Ukraine are one whole, which was shared by the traitors in the 1991 year.

        Say it to Geisenberg (2) or Romanov ...
        You are right. They have their own opinion ..
        There is such a wonderful, though undeservedly forgotten Russian poet. N. Rubtsov. He said: "Everyone chooses for himself, I choose as well as I can ... I have no complaints against anyone ... Everyone chooses for himself ..."
        Something like that....
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    4. Su24
      Su24 18 January 2014 08: 54
      +11
      The author exaggerates. Russia has been an Empire since the time of Ivan III, it remains to this day, and it always will be. The threat of loss of identity will come only in the event of a rejection of the great-power project. This post-Russia, for sure, will no longer be the successor to historical Russia. Regardless of ethnic balance, at least 110% of the Russian population will be.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 18 January 2014 11: 58
        +15
        Quote: Su24
        . Russia has been an Empire since the time of Ivan III,

        Ivan the Third (Great, Holy) was the first to receive the title Sovereign of All Russia. The Russian state began to be called Russia and the Third Rome, and a double-headed eagle appeared on its coat of arms. His name is undeservedly forgotten in history, for some reason they only associate the name of Peter with the birth of Russia as an Empire, inspiring us that until then it was only Muscovy in which wild Muscovites lived, especially this propaganda is actively conducted in Ukraine, which is thoroughly polished. Now it is known only that he stopped paying tribute to the Horde and according to the famous standing on the Ugra. It was he who became a collector of Russian landsturning the specific princely Russia into a single and powerful centralized State. So even at that time, Russia became a Power without Ukrainian lands, which at that time were part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
        After most of the territory of Kievan Rus was captured by Lithuania, two fragments of the former unified Russian community for nearly 300 years developed separately. Moscow got up managed to recycle and ultimately subjugate the Horde. А Kiev little by little fell into repaired in relation to the Commonwealth, of which Lithuania became a part after the Krevsky and Lublin unions, the situation. The expansion of Catholicism made the existence of the Orthodox in the territories subordinate to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth more and more difficult, which ultimately led to a reconfiguration of the Eastern European space.
    5. a52333
      a52333 18 January 2014 09: 53
      +8
      Well yes. It turns out that the last 25 years without Ukraine we are Papua New Guinea?
    6. Prokop
      Prokop 18 January 2014 09: 55
      +28
      Many, including myself, consider Ukraine a part of Russia, an integral part of the Russian world. There is no country of Ukraine, and there cannot be, the so-called Ukrainian language, it is a South Russian dialect spiced with Polish words. Indeed, if you take away the Urals or Siberia from Russia, it will not be the same Russia, so without Ukraine Russia will be understaffed.
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 18 January 2014 10: 22
        0
        Quote: Prokop
        The country of Ukraine is not and cannot be

        Stupid and counter-productive. With this denial of the well-known historical fact (since 1991), you are playing into the hands of Natsiks and Banderlogs.
        1. morpex
          morpex 19 January 2014 20: 48
          +2
          Quote: Kurkul
          You only play Natsik and Banderlog.

          And collects pluses, sir ..
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 18 January 2014 12: 19
        +11
        Quote: Prokop
        the so-called Ukrainian language, it is a South Russian dialect spiced with Polish words


        It was he, after rinsing, that became so, and in the days of the Gedeminids and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the spoken language for the majority of the population and the official written language of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was until the 1600s “West Russian language” (“Russian language”) is the forerunner of modern Belarusian and Ukrainian languages..This later, when codifying and polishing, when it was forbidden to speak Russian, a kind of surzhik appeared. These Ukrainian songs are so good that they treat them from stuttering, by the way.
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 18 January 2014 20: 59
          +3
          It was later, when pelicizing and polishing, when it was forbidden to speak Russian mov, a kind of surzhik appeared.
          But before that, all this procedure was done with Poland. They (Poles) also belong to the Slavic group of peoples, i.e. we are not strangers with them. But the experiment was a success, Poland has for many centuries considered Russia as a hostile country. If you do not help Ukraine now, then in the future we will get Poland No. 2. hi
      3. Simon
        Simon 18 January 2014 19: 56
        +1
        But we don’t want to be taken away, neither the Urals, nor Siberia, we are united Russia !!! stop
    7. Christian
      Christian 18 January 2014 10: 25
      +3
      multiculturalism, has shown its obvious hopelessness, and no one has yet formulated new effective recipes.
      It needs to be a stupid person to say that! Stop the flow of migrants, it never occurred to you !? Just enemies of the people ... The reconstruction of the Empire can begin only with Ukraine !!! All other options will be caliphates.
    8. pensioner
      pensioner 18 January 2014 12: 19
      +7
      Quote: smel
      But whether Ukraine will remain without Russia a state of the same level that it achieved in a fraternal alliance with it is a question.

      Here! The true truth! hi hi hi
      This is the question that should be asked by all residents of UKRAINE!
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 18 January 2014 13: 06
        +3
        Quote: retired
        This is the question that should be asked by all residents of UKRAINE!

        Jury hi ! This is if Ukraine is considered an established state. However, realities testify that such a statement is highly controversial and Maidan confirms this. The component of the fault line, which was demonstrated by the Maidan, is not only (and not so much) political, but civilizational, which became evident in the early years of the "lack of solidity". And all these years, the fault deepened and widened. Today, in fact, there are no more factors capable of uniting Ukraine. So what kind of state can we talk about?
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 18 January 2014 14: 18
          +12
          Hi Vitaliy hi
          After a long break, I visited Ukraine ... I haven't been for 20 years. The feeling that I had been abroad did not arise ... The size of the pies has not changed, they have not stopped making vodka, the "bottles" have not disappeared anywhere ... They speak exactly in Russian and in that charming mixture of Russian-hohlyatsky (no offense, okay ?), which I heard earlier ... Let's finally unite! After all, we will put the whole Europe on Zh77 Opu !! Let's teach all this homosexual stuff to remember the Bible and the commandments to love ...
          1. Curculum
            Curculum 18 January 2014 16: 48
            +4
            Quote: retired
            After a long break, he visited Ukraine.

            Similarly, from October to December 28, I traveled to all my friends in the Dnipropetrovsk and Kirovograd regions, I was in Kiev for about a month (I never went to the Maidan - I think that normal people have no place there).
            Quote: retired
            Let's finally unite!

            I can express nothing more than support and solidarity! drinks
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 18 January 2014 17: 16
              +1
              My dear Vitalik !! Forgive the old man for familiarity yes I went to Ukraine because of the business relations of our organization with Naftogaz ...
              1. Curculum
                Curculum 18 January 2014 18: 39
                +1
                Quote: retired
                Forgive the old man for familiarity

                Dear Yuri - everything is fine!
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 18 January 2014 23: 08
                  +1
                  Vitalik!! Although I am attached to the Ukrainian industry from a very specific side, I dare to draw conclusions from what I saw ... The trouble is with you there ... And it’s complete ... If you want, I’ll write the details in PM ...
    9. askort154
      askort154 18 January 2014 13: 11
      +7
      smel ... Russia will always remain Russia. With or without Ukraine. But whether Ukraine will remain without Russia a state of the same level that it achieved in a fraternal alliance with it is a question.

      Friends, I read all the comments and returned to the first.
      We can break the spears of Russia for a long time about its own created formation - Ukraine.
      If you trace the history of the formation of Ukraine without emotion, then with the naked eye
      it is clear that the foundation of her creation was sheer betrayal of the powers that be
      time (hetmans). They dangled between Poland, Russia and Turkey as if in an "ice hole". Russia became the founder of the state of Ukraine! This is a fact of history!
      The modern West (following Poland's lead) is trying to revive "its hetmans" in Ukraine in order to restore its status quo as in the 16th century.
      For completeness, the pictures of the past region called Ukraine - the appearance of Turks on their landscape (Crimea). As soon as Ukraine, like Moldova, joins the EU, their national status will dissolve, as the United Kingdom once in foggy Albion.
    10. nnz226
      nnz226 18 January 2014 14: 58
      +5
      TAKE RUSSIA FOR "1", AND UKRAINE FOR "0", together it will be "10", and separately - meaning "1", but "0" - it is "0" !!!
    11. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 18 January 2014 15: 28
      0
      hi Moses his Svidomo 40 years in the desert drove until the elderly died out) and Hanukovich with the company only 20 years, but the results on the face ......))))))))
    12. Clegg
      Clegg 18 January 2014 15: 54
      -17%
      Quote: smel
      Russia will always remain Russia. With or without Ukraine. But whether Ukraine will remain without Russia a state of the same level that it achieved in a fraternal alliance with it is a question.

      Ukraine without Russia will become a normal democratic country, and together with the Russian Federation it will have a negative Soviet future, which I would not wish to anyone, including Russia itself.
      1. KuzmichDP
        KuzmichDP 18 January 2014 19: 46
        +2
        I will correct you a little dear! "Ukraine without Russia will become a normal neo-colonial demoncratic country, and together with the Russian Federation it will have a very negative soviet future, which I would not wish to anyone, including Russia itself." Oh, yes, Kazakhstan is already apparently in a soviet present, thanks to to your PRESIDENT, who has been building it firmly for 20 years ... laughing wassat And so hello to the Russophobes of all stripes and colors, as well as to the local nationals the deepest bow! hi
      2. Igor80
        Igor80 18 January 2014 19: 50
        0
        This is not a comment, but just crazy nonsense!
      3. Simon
        Simon 18 January 2014 19: 59
        +2
        Think about your country, but Ukraine and Russia will sort things out among themselves!
      4. GorynychZmey78
        GorynychZmey78 18 January 2014 20: 11
        +5
        Clegg
        Ukraine without Russia will become a normal democratic country,


        Yes, there will be no Russia just do not what Ukraine!
        not a democratic some other!
        and there will be a small bunch of tiny pseudo states!
        with NATO and amers, this issue is resolved very quickly with a truly democratic approach wink HELLO FROM YUGOSLVIA !!! (let me remind you if you are not aware of the former!)
        and if you believe that Ukraine is waiting for another scenario in the EU, you are a naive person!
        the integrity of present-day Ukraine is needed only by Russia and no one else in the world !!

        Clegg
        and together with the Russian Federation, a negative soviet future awaits her, which I would not wish to anyone, including Russia itself.


        and who told you that this is a bad scenario! wink
        because they do not judge by themselves and everything is known in comparison!
        because only after losing the USSR do you really begin to understand and appreciate it!
        the cons of which fade before taking opportunities!
        as for me the tyk of the USSR was ten times better than the current pseudo-liberal-ped ... oh Europe! and God forbid, even a hint of falling into the composition of this supposedly democratic entity eu brrr
      5. Lukich
        Lukich 18 January 2014 21: 03
        +2
        Ukraine without Russia will become a normal democratic country, and together with the Russian Federation it will have a negative Soviet future, which I would not wish to anyone, including Russia itself.


        ... what do you know about shovels - dear ... how old are you ??? ... if you are under 40 then you don’t know anything, but if more, then you wouldn’t say so ...
        1. sapran
          sapran 18 January 2014 21: 38
          -5
          I will answer ... I honestly did not know the charms of the USSR for 40 years. Mantle is a mantle, but it's relatively simple layman, and yes is a superpower but on clay legs that fell apart under its own weight (or is it an alternative story for the last 22 years?)
    13. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 18 January 2014 19: 09
      +4
      Quote: smel
      Russia will always remain Russia.

      Again the naked slogans. You still say: Moscow is still a Russian city! :-) As the stupid cap-hatred, neglect of evidence, false patriotism already got. Against whoever it is directed, Ukraine, USA, EU, China, etc. Actually, first of all, it is directed against Russia.
      There will be neither Ukraine, nor Russia without the Union of Ukraine with Russia. No matter who puffed up. Look at the world soberly, not through the prism of the media. I am completely for the Union. Only together can we resist external and internal threats. Only the Union should be based on Brotherhood, Friendship, mutual respect.
      Hello everyone, I went to training. There will be forces I will answer after. And I feel there will be many dissatisfied, it so happened on this site that the first shouted the rest excitedly support. Such a unanimity in the life of hell would have been heard all sorts of Kondopoga and Biryulyovo. Nobody would rock the boat. And so in most cases, computer heroes and Internet patriots.
    14. Lukich
      Lukich 18 January 2014 20: 46
      +2
      Russia will always remain Russia. With or without Ukraine. But whether Ukraine will remain without Russia a state of the same level that it achieved in a fraternal alliance with it is a question.


      ... Ukraine may have problems, of course, but Russia will remain Russia, maybe, but without Russians, and this is sad ...

      ... therefore we are condemned to be together - that’s how gentlemen! ...
    15. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 18 January 2014 22: 34
      0
      That's just the way it hammers geeks from the west. Divide and rule. I don’t care what pluses have been instructed. Do you even understand what you are doing? In fact, you recognized that we do not need Ukraine. Horseradish for those who live there, bl .... yain, I wanted to write Russia ... But what the hell are we Russia after such words ??

      Recognition of separation is akin to defeat. We sent the USSR. Now we admit that without the Russian, Slavs we will live ??

      Damn us and divided. I won’t help my brother - he himself will die.

      ............deleted by moderator Apollo

      PS Yab you not only rolled cons.
  2. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 18 January 2014 08: 17
    +10
    Russia without Ukraine will undoubtedly be able to become an empire again. But here hardly at the same time such an empire without Ukraine can remain Russia.


    An interesting conclusion.
    It turns out that Ukraine has no where to go but to return back.
    And Russia has nowhere to go except to return Ukraine ..... in any way.
    Famously twisted.
  3. Echo
    Echo 18 January 2014 08: 18
    +11
    Ukraine can be Ukraine only as part of Russia. Without Russia, Ukraine can be anything - VGN, Ukraine, Ukraine, Country 404, Kakland, Banderlogiya ... anything, but not Ukraine.
  4. invisibility
    invisibility 18 January 2014 08: 20
    +18
    Russians and Ukrainians, plus Belarusians, are one people and therefore the author’s reasoning about the profitability and disadvantage is strange.
    A person has two hands, is it profitable to propping a turnip with his left or right hand?
    What did the author want to say? We do not need Ukraine, does it consume gas? So maybe the Kuril Islands are not needed?
    Article minus. Or maybe a Cossack mishandled?
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 18 January 2014 08: 33
      +16
      Quote: invisible
      Russians and Ukrainians, plus Belarusians, are one people and therefore the author’s reasoning about the profitability and disadvantage is strange.

      A fat plus for you, We went through a similar division at the beginning of the last century, the BROTHERS have nothing to share. My family has been personally touched by the same SEVERE AND RULE from colleagues in Europe. When two siblings in different "camps waved with swords"
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 18 January 2014 15: 12
      +5
      Quote: invisible
      Article minus. Or maybe a Cossack mishandled?

      What is the phrase worth:
      "Russia made its unrestrained" Onslaught on the West ", and the Russian armies reached Berlin, Rome and Paris."
      Like this is the onslaught of Russia, Berlin, Rome and Paris have nothing to do with it? it’s a pity that only one can be put down.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 18 January 2014 16: 59
        +2
        [quote = Setrac] Berlin, Rome and Paris have nothing to do with it? it’s a pity that only one can be put a minus. [/ quote Of course, nothing. It’s not their motto Drang nach Osten, but ours. And Napoleon didn’t go to Moscow with all of Europe and we attacked Napoleon and burned Paris.
        Soon they will teach children. In Japan, for example, many are already yawning that it was not the Americans who dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima but the Russians.
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 18 January 2014 21: 08
          0
          Soon they will teach children. In Japan, for example, many are already yawning that not the Americans dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima but the Russians
          They urgently need to add history to their textbooks, and about the accident at "Fukushima" at the same time (Russian trace). And then it can be forgotten. bully
    3. knn54
      knn54 18 January 2014 15: 48
      +4
      Invisibility: article minus. Or maybe a Cossack mishandled?
      And to you +
      ALL with the 360th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Rada.
      Some kind of muddy article, having a Russophobic orientation. Few facts, but a lot of ambition (which is alarming).
      Firstly, Bismarck's quote about Ukraine is confirmed by quotes from other German and Austrian generals.
      Secondly, the very idea of ​​opposing Russia and Ukraine is ABSURD. "Ukraine" - the edge / border of Russia.
      And the MAIN LINK-link to the American political scientist shows WHO is the customer of the article. The same as the Maidan.
      1. Koryak
        Koryak 18 January 2014 18: 54
        0
        Bravo, you are a plus.
      2. invisibility
        invisibility 18 January 2014 23: 30
        0
        Thank. By the way, on cf..t on a Bismarck quote. And we won’t figure it out without him!
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 18 January 2014 17: 25
      +1
      Quote: invisible
      Russians and Ukrainians, plus Belarusians are one people

      Why then is Lukashenko in no hurry to unite?
  5. mad
    mad 18 January 2014 08: 30
    +10
    A lot of Western grandmothers have been spent to prove to the three peoples that they are specifically "exceptional", and the other two only drink the blood of the first. Now our task is to show the State Department that the money was wasted and we, like three heroes, are united and indivisible! And soon we will introduce you to Kuzka's mother)
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 18 January 2014 17: 00
      +1
      Quote: mad
      And soon we will introduce you to Kuzkin’s mom)

      And we will conduct an excursion to the crayfish wintering places ... and then we will send on a long erotic foot trip smile
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 18 January 2014 21: 11
        +1
        and then send on a long erotic foot trip
        Where Makar did not drive calves.
        I apologize, but it was very obvious to add this proverb, following your style. hi
      2. GorynychZmey78
        GorynychZmey78 18 January 2014 21: 37
        0
        Ascetic
        ..and then we will send on a long erotic foot trip smile

        yeah and not applicable in the northern Caucasus laughing
  6. svoi
    svoi 18 January 2014 08: 45
    +6
    Most comments on the title, publication, a bit, about something else. In principle, an interesting point of view, especially about the transfer of interests in the Asia-Pacific region.
  7. VADEL
    VADEL 18 January 2014 08: 46
    +3
    Is there life on Mars, is there life on Mars. But Ukraine will definitely be with Russia and no one will hinder it.
    1. invisibility
      invisibility 18 January 2014 08: 51
      0
      At such a pace that in Ukraine, in Russia, the landscape will soon be like on Mars.
    2. Nick
      Nick 18 January 2014 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: VADEL
      But Ukraine will definitely be with Russia and no one will hinder it.

      Naturally! You can’t cancel the geography ...
  8. Igarr
    Igarr 18 January 2014 09: 23
    +8
    I will support svoi- barmaleya ...
    The Pacific Ocean, Siberia, the Far East, Kamchatka and Chukotka - this is the vector of development of the empire. Alaska is also visible there ...
    And whoever has time, on the starting rocket - he won. Otherwise, like accelerators and spent steps, somersault backwards. Yes face to the ground.
    Three steps (worked out) have already been attached ... to the sand of the Baltic.
    Let the other conclusions be drawn.
    The Pacific Ocean, the Polar Seas and territories - what is not a national idea.
    ...
    Anglo-Saxons are good sailors, no matter what they say. Russian Pomors are sailors no worse, however.
    So if Russia still would have staked out the ocean (technologically) ...... such scribblers like Glen-Member Donovan .... they would have definitely registered in a mental hospital.
    Give the oceans!
  9. pahom54
    pahom54 18 January 2014 09: 41
    +4
    I do not agree with the author of the article ... Yes, after the collapse of the USSR, Russia lost such an economically attractive (FOR US) territory as Ukraine. First of all, this attractiveness lies in the vast territories and climate favorable for agriculture, as well as a huge number of industrial developed enterprises (suffice it to say that we still need industries such as aircraft and rocket science). HOWEVER!!! We (Russia), even if it’s not easy, can do without Ukraine, and I hope that if everything goes as it is now, the military-industrial complex will revive, and with it industry. Here with agriculture, Ambets from both Russia and Ukraine.
    So what am I doing - yes. We need Ukraine, if not as part of Russia, then as a fraternal and friendly country. BUT we will manage without it, but nobody needs Russia with its production without Russia itself. Its rockets and planes are ready to be bought only by us. And the rest, it is simply used by Western politicians-schemers as an instrument of counterweight and pressure on Russia.
    Russia was, is, and will be an empire, and I not only hope for this, but I am sure. And the author of verbiage is that Russia, if it is an empire, is not Russia. Russia has ALWAYS been a multinational country, and if the center of its geopolitical interests moves to the Asia-Pacific region, the essence of the empire will not change, the vectors of applying efforts and advantages to achieve their geopolitical power will simply change. And although the East is a delicate and tricky business, at this stage of the development of Russia and attempts to return to its former power, Asian partners who also do not very much love the Yankees and their allies will suit us.
    Well, then ... The main thing is to get involved in a battle for your power not headlong, but thoughtfully, slowly, progressively, and then life will show. And she says that together with the Asians we can interrupt the appetite of America with the allies, but then our roads will go apart ...
    1. invisibility
      invisibility 18 January 2014 09: 59
      +4
      And I think that the question is fundamental! And a policy that will restore historical justice and unite, once a single people, it is necessary to erect a monument, in life,
      from pure gold. I am ready to chip in.
    2. sldot
      sldot 18 January 2014 17: 00
      +5
      All these conversations on the topic of whether a father can live without children, who is the main in the family, who is the father and who is the mother. Just as a family, we should live together and help each other and not discuss how Petro will live without shame, without Ivan and Aigul. For 1000 years, our ancestors created this family. And we are trying to condemn them. It’s also like to come to the parents with the same questions, but this is a joke .... Dad, why do we need an extra mouth ... mom! - I don’t need a boo ...
    3. PPL
      PPL 18 January 2014 20: 39
      0
      Russia without Ukraine can once again become an empire. But can not stay Russia

      Let me remind you that Russia, as an empire, existed from October 22 (November 2), 1721 until the February Revolution in 1917.
      The USSR is not an empire, the actor and radio host of Iowa Ronald Reagan, also known as the 40th president of the United States, called it the empire! Artistic people have their own associations.
      About Russia without Ukraine and vice versa.
      As of today, Russia has been in "divorce" with Ukraine for 22 years already, nothing terrible has happened yet. It's like in ordinary divorced families who continue to live side by side: some are at enmity all their lives, others pretend not to notice each other, and the rest continue to maintain normal relations, because have a common child (in this case, the people). The only question is which version we will come to in the end.
  10. Orakyl
    Orakyl 18 January 2014 09: 46
    +13
    Personally, I consider Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia, Kazakhstan and other fraternal republics from the point of view of an ordinary human family. When a brother or sister becomes ill, picks up parasites, or falls ill under the influence of youth, then, as they say, their heart hurts and everything must be done to cure, to relieve the bad influence of their family members. The rest of the chatter is from the loau.
  11. old rocket man
    old rocket man 18 January 2014 10: 05
    +6
    A good historical review and a completely ridiculous conclusion at the end, and seasoned with an nasty hint towards Russia.
    The ending outweighed.
    Article bold minus angry
  12. Arkan
    Arkan 18 January 2014 10: 13
    +5
    Russia does not need to conquer and join anything. We have enough of everything, there are people and natural resources. This wealth, lands beyond the Urals, must be used in a businesslike manner. The Pacific Ocean is no longer a quiet backwater. Ukraine, as a market for our products, is now needed, all the rest is lyrics that have nothing to do with real politics. There are many examples of disappointments in our history, Ukraine is one of them.
    1. Sour
      Sour 18 January 2014 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: Arkan
      Russia does not need to conquer and join anything. We have enough of everything, there are people and natural resources. This wealth, lands beyond the Urals, must be used in a businesslike manner. The Pacific Ocean is no longer a quiet backwater. Ukraine, as a market for our products, is now needed, all the rest is lyrics that have nothing to do with real politics. There are many examples of disappointments in our history, Ukraine is one of them.

      I subscribe to every word.
      I know that most Russians think that way.
  13. Leshka
    Leshka 18 January 2014 10: 25
    +3
    together we were much easier
    1. waisson
      waisson 18 January 2014 20: 42
      +2
      I agree with you completely hi Ukraine-Belarus-Russia is power
  14. Stinger
    Stinger 18 January 2014 10: 51
    0
    Yeah. Truly, you may not be Russia, but you must be Ukraine. As grandfather Krylov said. Maybe enough to carry nonsense?
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 18 January 2014 20: 33
      0
      What did Grandfather Krylov say there? Exaggerate a little. In vain however. This is you nonsense.
  15. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 18 January 2014 10: 53
    +1
    Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan are the fingers of one hand, so to speak, they cannot be without each other. It is clear that even certain categories of the population, such as "zapadentsev", may not like this, but there are few of them and before it is too late this infection must be pulled out by its roots! We were an empire and I hope we will remain, unless, of course, we send our new and old "neoliberals" to weeding the tundra as soon as possible. I think VVP will do this with his comrades-in-arms. It's time for real statesmen to get down to business!
    1. major071
      major071 18 January 2014 11: 59
      +6
       polkovnik manuch
      Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan are fingers of one hand, so to speak, they cannot be without each other.

      Why only four fingers? laughing We need a fifth, otherwise a fist is somehow wrong. what
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 19 January 2014 02: 16
      +1
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      I think GDP with associates

      Gee! With such associates as Medvedev, Serdyukov, Chubais and other "statists", nothing good can be expected from the GDP, alas.
  16. Arhj
    Arhj 18 January 2014 11: 23
    +3
    I never considered Ukraine a foreign country. Kiev has always considered one of the cradles of Russian statehood.
    To the question of whether Russia can become an empire without Ukraine. She never stopped being her. We have preserved most of the territory, we occupy the seventh of the land, so we are simply forced to have interests at least over the entire area north of the equator.
    And let’s honestly, who has connected to whom. Three voivodships joined Russia, all the rest Russia joined Ukraine to optimize the management process, for which she paid in 1991.
  17. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 January 2014 11: 34
    +1
    And what can you do if Ukraine likes the role of the dirty backyards of Europe? Let them go, let them ride their maidan, let their German owners clean their boots, and certainly the empire is not dependent on any Ukraine.
  18. Month
    Month 18 January 2014 11: 49
    +1
    Personally, I like living in a country that, even wounded by "enemies" and "effective managers," if something happens, can adequately defend itself.
    The Ukrainian people apparently prefer to depend on the actions of the powerful of this world and decide nothing in their destiny.
  19. homosum20
    homosum20 18 January 2014 11: 52
    +6
    Sound grain, and considerable, is present in the article. Only the name is spelled out incorrectly. Russia, of course, will not be lost anywhere. It will be Russia without Ukraine. But a different Russia. Without Ukraine. Here commentators wrote that Ukraine was never independent. But this means that Russia has always included at least part of Ukraine. And now she will be left without her.
    Like a man without, say, legs.
    I will give an example from my life (at least I’m sure of it): 2 years ago I crushed my knee into pieces (5 fragments). Well, essno, medicine, an artramode (an apparatus for developing this), several physical rehabilitation courses - the joint has been assembled and works.
    Noah is all gray. I will never sit on Harley again. I lost confidence in my physical abilities.
    I live, work - but I am different.
    It seems to me that Russia without Ukraine will be different. I'm not even talking about the economy. Still, the connection of the Slavic peoples exists. And this connection, unity, supports parts of this people in difficult times. Ukraine will create a precedent for the split of Slavism, moreover, accompanied by the pouring of mud on its brothers, vicious and loud, plus the consequences of sharing shared property (after all, no one seriously thinks that we will give up the Crimea and the east?). Whether the Slavic (and Russian) mentality will remain the same is unlikely. No worse and no better. Just become different. Maybe - it will grow up, finally.
    And the imperial future - the author of rights, now lies in the Far East, in the center of world forces.
  20. polly
    polly 18 January 2014 11: 54
    +1
    The path of Russia to the east is a correct and very urgent matter, this is a prospect for the coming times. But today is a memorable day when 360 years ago the Cossack military order "Zaporozhskoe Army" swore allegiance to the Russian tsar. Not soon, five and a half years, the Cossacks thought about whose choose citizenship - stay in Polish, go to Turkish or go to Russian. The right path was chosen.
  21. 222222
    222222 18 January 2014 12: 26
    +1
    I disagree with the conclusions of the respected author.
    1. "This is just a part of the" new migration of peoples "of the global South, which both the EU and the US are experiencing." This is not a migration of peoples, but an escape for a piece of their daily bread ... And of course, the globalization of the world economy .. on the other hand, The United States builds the world according to their own patterns, such as themselves .. "infernal mixture" of peoples, cultures, religions, pseudo morals ... Thus, weakening the cementing role of the nations and peoples of these states .. And already France is not French, England is not English ..
    Migration of peoples is probably still ahead with climate change .. From the history of migration: "The horse follows the grass"
    2. "But it is unlikely that such an empire without Ukraine can remain Russia."
    Let's look at the foreign policy of the Russian Federation in 2013:
    -Russia prevented the start of a war against Syria and Iran ..
    -Russia defended NSA officer Snowden and gave him asylum
    -Russia which annually publishes annual reports on the state of human rights in the EU and the United States
    -Russian weapons are bought in many countries of the world
    -Russia supplies gas and oil ....
    ......
    and note, there is no Ukraine in the Russian Federation yet ...
    and Russia and the empire ..
    3. "At the same time, Ukraine, impoverished and in a state of permanent crisis, still manages to sit outside its national borders. However, it is unlikely that it will be able to remain an untouched island for a long time in the midst of an impending demographic storm."
    3.1 The existing borders of Ukraine established And In Stalin.
    3.2. The question is different. Can Ukraine independently exist within these borders? History has long given an answer to this question ... and is there a new Bogdan? He must have been born ..
  22. Cristall
    Cristall 18 January 2014 13: 16
    +8
    Well, it’s no secret that Ukraine was strong only as a part of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR.
    Now trying to live independently between two fires in the neighborhood and 4 world giants in the world (however, like many small countries)
    Did we consciously choose in 1991? I think no. 20 years, but it seems to me that the difficulties on the border with the Russian Federation are something mythical and temporary. Although he is married (January 14) already in Russian, while living in Odessa, we experience some difficulties with registration, but we do not experience difficulties with each other. Yes, and I'm not the only one. There are many married to Russian girls in the city.
    A country with 45 million population cannot have any "weight" in the world. It is extremely difficult to be a piece of the system, you continue to work for the system - experiencing much more difficulties for the sake of maintaining the border.
    It may be better for Russia to focus on the Far East, but the main buyers are still in Europe. The USA won the transfer of its main interests to the Asia-Pacific region. Old Europe is no longer attractive.
    I’m interested in one thing. Asia reproduces very quickly, and as a region of production of agricultural products and other food products, it is frankly inferior to the temperate countries. It turns out that it will turn into a major consumer of energy and products, in return will give only labor and intellectual investment in goods? Of course, an intellectual commodity is more expensive than food. But it is getting more expensive. What I’m leading to - in order to preserve the Slavs, it is necessary to maintain the number at the level, if we stop preserving ourselves, it will be difficult to plan anything at all.
  23. mountain
    mountain 18 January 2014 13: 43
    +2
    We have already seen what it is. Ukraine, without Russia. And no more words. History is again in the ring of concepts and meanings, out of date. There is no Ukraine without Russia.
  24. shinobi
    shinobi 18 January 2014 13: 47
    +11
    How, however, it enrages everyone that Russia without "fraternal republics" not only did not bent, but rose and even begins to bend all the former on the sly. The likelihood that Russia will regain its imperial influence generally causes hysteria.
  25. vkrav
    vkrav 18 January 2014 13: 54
    +3
    For some reason, it is customary to equate the population of Ukraine with a handful of very loudly screaming Svidomitov. This is not so! Public opinion is being prepared for the "inevitable collapse of Ukraine." And who benefits from it? Maybe Russia? Or Ukraine? sell it to the Chinese for fertilizers, because they are no longer good for anything.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 18 January 2014 15: 10
      +1
      they won’t take fertilizers, they stink badly ...
      but in general, everything is true
  26. calocha
    calocha 18 January 2014 13: 59
    +1
    We are one people! We need to put aside everything unnecessary and unite !!! Only this way we can survive the global financial crisis, and indeed all the hardships!
  27. avg
    avg 18 January 2014 14: 25
    +2
    Ukraine is a breakaway part of the united Russian people, terrorized by the OUN-UPA and the comprador bourgeoisie. It is high time for Russia to create a reunification movement in Ukraine to help unite the healthy forces of society. And you have to start with a serious check of our embassy, ​​and the relevant department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
  28. 2014Bog2014
    2014Bog2014 18 January 2014 14: 54
    +1
    I'll put kaya ++++++++++++++ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  29. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 18 January 2014 15: 05
    +4
    It is in this area that the real need of our countries for each other lies. Without Ukraine, Russia will undoubtedly be able to become an empire again. But it’s hardly possible for such an empire without Ukraine to remain Russia.

    It is not clear why the word Power is constantly replaced by the word Empire. In this article, the substitution of terms looks especially ridiculous. Empire implies the presence of colonies, which Russia has never had, all its regions belonged to the metropolis.
    It sounds much more accurate and closer to the truth:
    Russia without Ukraine will undoubtedly be able to become a Great Power again, but it is unlikely that such a power without Ukraine could remain Russia.
    Russia without Russia will be Russia, but what will Ukraine be without Russia?
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 18 January 2014 15: 29
      +3
      Quote: Corsair5912
      Empire implies the presence of colonies
      Not at all. Colonialism appeared later than empires. Empire means only many nations and the supranational idea of ​​uniting them into one state.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 18 January 2014 16: 31
        0
        Quote: Stanislav
        Not at all. Colonialism appeared later than empires. Empire means only many nations and the supranational idea of ​​uniting them into one state.

        True, there is such an interpretation of the term.
        Empire means the union of several states that were previously sovereign, under a single government.
        Russia, in fact, was an empire at the time of Svyatoslav Igorevich, who subjugated Khazaria, Volga Bulgaria and Balkan Bulgaria.
      2. densh
        densh 18 January 2014 17: 14
        +1
        Colonialism and the empire are synonyms. An empire does not exist without colonies. hi
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 18 January 2014 18: 44
          0
          Quote: densh
          An empire does not exist without colonies.

          And colonies without empires?
          1. densh
            densh 18 January 2014 22: 39
            0
            The state may not even call itself an empire, but essentially it is. It was only in the 20th century that a new type of colony appeared - it seems like the state is formally independent, but in fact it is under the indirect control of another, where the lion's share of income goes, with a minimum of expenses (no need to contain colonial administration, military units, etc.) In general, freedom and democracy.
        2. Stanislas
          Stanislas 18 January 2014 21: 47
          0
          Quote: densh
          Colonialism and the synonymous empire. An empire does not exist without colonies
          I don’t want to upset you, but colonialism has been known since the 15th century A.D., and the empire has been known since the II millennium B.C. For about 3 thousand years, the empire did without colonies. Unless, of course, it is calculated according to the "new chronology".
          1. densh
            densh 18 January 2014 22: 26
            0
            And the Roman Empire, too, did without colonies? What can be called the conquered and annexed territories and states? hi
  30. pensioner
    pensioner 18 January 2014 15: 50
    +3
    Ukraine is such a pain point that any article on its topic will find a lively response ... Bitterness, this is perhaps the feeling that I experience when reading any articles on the topic of Ukraine ... And I, it seems to me, have direct relation to the industrial power of the Ukrainian SSR. Our devices really saved Ukraine millions of those Soviet rubles ...
  31. Per se.
    Per se. 18 January 2014 16: 03
    +2
    "The future of Russia in the XXI century lies in the Pacific Ocean, and the city of Vladivostok must fill its name with new, genuine content." Russia was already being escorted to the Far East, when England, and the same Germans, had a hand in pushing their foreheads against Japan in the war of 1904-1905. Now China is there, and if we talk about Russia's interests in the Pacific, they are primarily in the defense of its territory, and not butting there with China, whose expansion needs to be directed south from our north. But, no less important task is the return of the original Russian land, called "Ukraine", to Russia. This should become a national idea. It is not so important what would have happened if Prince Potemkin had facilitated the transfer of the capital to Yekaterinoslav, it is much more important if the Russian capital had been returned to Kiev. We somehow forgot that it was precisely the Polish-Lithuanian occupation of Rus that gave rise to the division of the Russian land. The struggle for Little Russia is not only a struggle for our ancestral land, it is a struggle for our common Russian culture, the entire Orthodox world, which will perish without Russia.
  32. Boris63
    Boris63 18 January 2014 16: 32
    +3
    The "bomb" was laid after the 1917 revolution, by the decree of Ulyanov-Lenin "on the self-determination of nations", "we are reaping the fruits" to this day.
    Of course, Russia will remain Russia without Ukraine, but with Ukraine we will become an even stronger (geopolitically) country. Moreover, Ukraine is needed not as part of Russia, but a stable brotherly state. Complementing each other on mutually beneficial terms, we can move mountains. Then the geyrope will "shut up" and the USA will "subside".
    God forbid that it was in reality, and not "only in dreams."
  33. stranik72
    stranik72 18 January 2014 18: 15
    0
    Well, depending on what we mean by an empire, if such an influence was exerted by the Russian empire and the USSR on world politics, and with a rather low standard of living for its people, then why do we need it. If we want to create a high-tech and successful country for the people, then without Ukraine this is possible, but in time longer (remember the FRG and the GDR) the only question is whether external enemies will let us do this, all the same, when an unfriendly state, in the future NATO has it’s hard for you to confront the whole world while maintaining a high pace of development.
  34. Koryak
    Koryak 18 January 2014 19: 25
    +2
    Guys, what could be an Empire? I live in Kamchatka, I am married to a Ukrainian woman. Here the diaspora of Ukrainians is very strong. Half of the names in the city are Ukrainian. Take Vladivostok, there too, half are Ukrainians, half are Jews (I myself am a little izy) And who won whom ....?
  35. Stasi
    Stasi 18 January 2014 19: 38
    +3
    If you combine the potentials of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus into one, then such a potential will be able to compete on equal terms, if you do not exceed the potential of a united Europe. This is well understood in the West, and therefore they raise a tantrum about the possible unification of the three Slavic peoples, they strive to prevent this. The article correctly indicates that the vector of development has now shifted to the Asia-Pacific region, not in vain in the twentieth century, many politicians and economists called the twenty-first century the century of Asia. Europe as such has long been rotten, it was noticeable in the nineteenth century. Emperor Alexander the First committed stupidity by engaging in a war with Napoleon, he should have given Europe to Napoleon, and sent the vector of the country's development to the East himself. Peter the Great wanted to carry out a similar project, he planned to create an expedition to explore the East and enter into an alliance with him. Peter himself said that one should turn his back to Europe, facing the East. Russia should direct its efforts to staking out a place in the Asia-Pacific region in order to use the dynamic development of Asia for its own benefit.
  36. Igor80
    Igor80 18 January 2014 19: 57
    +1
    The article somehow really deceives the West (the West)!
  37. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 18 January 2014 20: 22
    +2
    Quote: Prokop
    Many, including myself, consider Ukraine a part of Russia, an integral part of the Russian world. There is no country of Ukraine, and there cannot be, the so-called Ukrainian language, it is a South Russian dialect spiced with Polish words. Indeed, if you take away the Urals or Siberia from Russia, it will not be the same Russia, so without Ukraine Russia will be understaffed.

    I agree. But the country of Ukraine cannot exist. While it is still there. But the Slav brothers cannot understand in any way that without Russia they will not get anything. The EU will ruin Ridna Vkraina. How can they not understand this? Prokop - "+" ...
  38. qx56v8
    qx56v8 18 January 2014 21: 20
    +1
    Good people ... Please help me how to pick up binoculars in order to normally observe the planes. Well, for those that stripes leave in heaven ... There, Airbus A-380, A-340 and so on. Who knows what parameters should have binoculars so close to make the model apart? Please help experts ... 15x40 is enough?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 18 January 2014 21: 38
      +3
      Enough, just keep in mind, the greater the multiplicity, the more tremor-trembling hands will affect the picture.
  39. sapran
    sapran 18 January 2014 21: 34
    0
    Proving the obvious is probably easy. Yes, Russia, even without Ukraine, is able to take the leading roles in world politics (which has already been proved, in fact).
    the interest of Russia and its actions regarding Ukraine is also understandable - it is normal when you try to secure your cordon and weaken the adjacent territory (here without snot)
    So all hopes of stabilizing the situation in Ukraine are futile (most likely it will be very sad)
    So the more Russia "straightens", the more chances of a complete "bending" in Ukraine, and then perhaps a truncated ...
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 18 January 2014 22: 16
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      Share how it is you trying to weaken Russia, mechanisms?
      Say thanks to your oligarchs, in Russia, all oligarchs are on the line, and they have a ball (maidan) in your country through their controlled media.
      1. sapran
        sapran 18 January 2014 23: 15
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        There will be a desire to hear ...
        1.You yourself called it, "Information War"
        2. Economic pressure
        3. Support for various kinds of "marginal parties"
        4. Discrimination of certain institutions of power
        this is briefly informing you again that the task of the Russian government is the security of the Federation itself and the people living in it, and by what methods this is achieved is a secondary question and here all the methods are good (warned that please without snot about the world and chewing gum)
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 18 January 2014 22: 38
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      Quote: sapran
      the interest of Russia and its actions regarding Ukraine is also understandable - it is normal when you try to secure your cordon and weaken the adjacent territory (here without snot)

      Russia and Ukraine are weakening for the same reason - the harsh climate in comparison with the west and south makes our economy uncompetitive. An open economy is death for our countries.
  40. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 18 January 2014 21: 38
    +1
    Quote: qx56v8
    Good people ... Please help me how to pick up binoculars in order to normally observe the planes. Well, for those that stripes leave in heaven ... There, Airbus A-380, A-340 and so on. Who knows what parameters should have binoculars so close to make the model apart? Please help experts ... 15x40 is enough?

    Kill! I started hiccuping with laughter. Although the topic is correct. Better is 24x70. But yours will do. I have 8x40 in general. If possible, get a marine. This is a song technique!
  41. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 18 January 2014 21: 44
    +1
    LEIKA GEOVID 15x56 HD. But, a little expensive, infection!
  42. Neophyte
    Neophyte 18 January 2014 21: 59
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    Unfortunately, young people in Ukraine who do not know the history or history of Ukraine and Russia are growing up,
    written on the patterns of the enemies of pan-Slavism. What will happen after the 2015 elections? If, Ukrainians themselves, do not realize the dangers of the Mazepovism, then Ukraine will fall apart into several states, or a significant part
    it, as in the days of Khmelnitsky, will reach Russia.
  43. Megre
    Megre 18 January 2014 22: 27
    +5
    There is a basic truth. We left her and betrayed her. Therefore, these oligarchic ushlopki and spread rot us.
  44. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 18 January 2014 23: 12
    +1
    Quote: Megrae
    There is a basic truth. We left her and betrayed her. Therefore, these oligarchic ushlopki and spread rot us.

    Prav.Na all 100! Russia has always been a "Trinity". Three heroes are only worth. Ilya Muromets, Dobrynya Nikitich, Alyosha Popovich. How will we continue to live, eh, Slavic brothers?
    1. coserg 2012
      coserg 2012 20 January 2014 19: 26
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      It was we in the union that were, and now-swans, cancer and pike!
  45. alone
    alone 18 January 2014 23: 59
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    It is still up to the people of Ukraine to decide with whom and how to live. So don’t shout halva so much in your mouth, it won’t be sweeter.
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 19 January 2014 00: 38
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      Let him decide. Although I have a pessimistic mood about this. And although I want to believe my brothers. Eh, Sumy, Kiev, Vasilkov, Belokorovichi, Korosten! It was so cool. Even when the equipment was taken from there, not a single word was bad in our address was not! On the contrary. And they called to the huts, and moonshine flowed by the river. Oh, life.
  46. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 19 January 2014 00: 01
    +1
    But the picture is meaningful. Ilya-Rosich, Dobrynya-Belarus. Alyosha-Ok
    Rainets. Not my opinion. I looked through the history of the Russian State the other day.
  47. escobar
    escobar 19 January 2014 00: 04
    +2
    Russia by and large is self-sufficient, but Ukraine can lose a lot if it moves away from Russia.
    If production starts in eastern Ukraine, then this eastern Maidan will sweep away the euthanized Hutsuls of the Euromaidan.
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 19 January 2014 00: 25
      +3
      It seems that now concrete work is beginning with Ukraine. The issue of repairing Russian ships at the Nikolaev shipyards is being developed, an agreement with Antonov, including the development of new machines, is coming to a logical conclusion. It seems that they are planning to conclude not weak contracts with Motor Sich. Russia Ukraine is not will leave. The only thing we can’t help you with is in the fight against the Nazis. There are our own problems. And in any other respect, for God's sake "" " drinks
  48. komel
    komel 19 January 2014 00: 23
    +3
    Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine can control up to 30% of the global grain market.
    Berlin hosts the world's largest agricultural exhibition "Green Week - 2014". In Berlin, within the framework of the international agricultural fair and exhibition "Green Week 2014", held in Berlin from 17 to 26 January 2014, Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine can control up to 30% of the world grain market. This will become possible in the case of the unification of the three states within the framework of the Black Earth Grain Committee. "Export of grain through the grain pool will allow Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to reach 30% of the specific market, instead of the current 20% of the global market potential, which is currently controlled"
    1. komel
      komel 19 January 2014 00: 44
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      Ministry of Agriculture: Japanese investors are interested in the Russian black earth.
      Nikolai Fedorov, Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation, who is participating in the Berlin Agro-Industrial Exhibition "Green Week 2014", noted the increased interest that the representatives of the Japanese delegation show to the farmlands of central and southern Russia.
      If earlier the eyes of the Japanese did not fall further than the Far East, now they began to look for partners and free land for crop production in the central and southern regions of Russia, - the head of the Ministry of Agriculture noted, stressing that these changes in worldview are most likely associated with the tragedy that occurred at the nuclear power plant Fukushima.
      Japanese investors have expressed a clear interest in investing in agricultural production in the Transbaikalia, Penza and Voronezh regions. Negotiations and consultations of the participants of the agricultural forum continue, the work of the exhibition "Green Week-2014" will last until January 26.

      Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe
  49. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 19 January 2014 00: 30
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    Quote: Alex 241
    Enough, just keep in mind, the greater the multiplicity, the more tremor-trembling hands will affect the picture.

    Drinking less is necessary. And preferably Czech. Good fluid. Not that lousy Baltic.
  50. edeligor
    edeligor 19 January 2014 00: 36
    +3
    Allow, dear ones, to express your point of view. The worst thing that happened during the collapse of our great country was that they drove us into the head, that we are different ... Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians ... And we, judging by the comments, consider ourselves to be a different national group! !!
    But let me! This is not so! We are one people, we have everything our own - land, history, language! Why do we, even in the comments, continue the delusional fantasies of Brzezinski ?! It's time to wake up and revive our country! (sorry if very emotional)
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 19 January 2014 01: 06
      +1
      Quote: edeligor
      Allow, dear ones, to express your point of view. The worst thing that happened during the collapse of our great country was that they drove us into the head, that we are different ... Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians ... And we, judging by the comments, consider ourselves to be a different national group! !!
      Igor has read your comment and I want to quote a man, non-Russian, addressed to the Ukrainians, no offense to them, but I share this point of view.
      How Ukrainians do not understand this ?! How can one reach such a degree of moral degradation in order to persistently call oneself instead of the proud title “Russian” - “marginal” person? After all, the outskirts are the same slum, the outback! Refuse to be - and by whom ?! Russian! - for the sake of law and doubtful joy, it is not clear who it is at an incomprehensible whose land ...