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Statistical error

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Common expression: there is a lie, there is a big lie and there is statistics. But people who have to keep an honest record of everything in the state are akin to intelligence officers. It is they who give the leadership of any country information on how and where to direct their efforts in order not to get surrounded, not to lose the battle, not to lose personnel - the population.


Unfortunately, the Russian statistics is sick with a known disease - fraud. Why and how is state reporting formed? This is the main issue of the meeting of the Academy of Sciences with the most famous Russian scientist in this field, the ex-director of the Scientific Research Institute of Statistics, Doctor of Economics, Professor Vasily SIMCHERA.

Crafty figures, real facts

- Vasily Mikhailovich, let's summarize some of the results of last year ...

- For example, the prime minister in December, 2013, declared that our GDP grew by 1,4 – 1,5%. This is within the margin of error. Further. According to Rosstat, inflation was 6,5% versus 6,6% last year. This is four times higher than in the crowded US with fictitious money, and almost three times higher than in the declining Europe, as in war. Agriculture grew by 6,8% against its decline in 2012 by 5%. Total - 1,7%. Again within the margin of error. The trade surplus in our reporting year will be 146,8 billion dollars. In 2012, it was off the list for 200 billions. Fall - 44 billion dollars. The answer to the question "why?" - no.

- But the prime minister relies on the reports of your former colleagues.

- Rather, businessmen from statistics. In their reports, everything positive is overstated, they try to hide the negative. Do not tell the truth - it does not mean to lie - this is the bible of the current schemers. What for? In order not to upset the master.

- That is, the country's leadership receives false information from Rosstat?

- Unfortunately yes. In many ways incomplete, distorted and opaque information, fabricated under pre-asked questions with previously known answers. The reason is that people who serve custom purposes will serve only the customer. Therefore, state statistics organizations must be independent, not serving. I had a serious conflict with the Ministry of Economic Development, when he was headed by the current head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina. I refused to give false data on GDP growth. He was no longer in 2010, but Rosstat was subordinate to the Minister. And how can you check the work of your superiors with numbers ?! Later, the president reassigned our department directly to the government. Dependencies diminished.

- Is it possible to manage the state if you do not have accurate statistical data?

- You can manage, but it will not be long and with a sad outcome.

How much is a house to build and sell the plant

- Some officials call you a traitor for criticizing the significantly underestimated assessment of Russia's national wealth. Official data - 4 trillion rubles. You count - 40 trillions.

- Four trillion are the most modest estimates of the residual book value of fixed assets and tangible assets. Without intellectual and financial assets. But the latter are now estimated in the world much more expensive than the value of tangible assets and natural resources. And the 40 estimate of trillions of dollars includes them in the price.

Secondly, everyone knows that the book value of any apartment is several times less than its market price. This also applies to industrial enterprises. Authorities profitable to lower the real price. After all, the side that buys any state assets is power intertwined with oligarchy. They are appraisers, and they are buyers. But if the state needs to buy something back, then the price will be completely different.

Colonial Yoke

- The share of foreign capital in the Russian industry, according to the declared data, is 20%, and in fact, 75%. That is, 75% of the Russian economy belongs to foreigners?

- Nominally, almost all of our enterprises are registered for residents with Russian passports. The substitution scheme is simple. The Chairman of the Pound takes over, a company with a share capital of 10 thousand rubles is registered for it. Shares of enterprises are bought up. But in fact, Western players are behind his “Horns and Hooves”.

So if you distribute ownership of Russian assets according to the form of ownership and by owners, then not even 75%, but all 80% belong to foreign owners. But this does not fix the official reports. They report only on the first level of owners, as in the kingdom of curved mirrors. But then the question arises - in the interests of whose economy decisions are made in the name of the government?

- Can you talk about specific enterprises?

- No, I operate insider information and must receive permission to use it in the open press. Under current legislation, all information about individual legal entities and individuals is considered confidential and is not subject to public disclosure. Meanwhile, this kind of information should belong to everyone. And she made a secret from society. It is necessary at the legislative level to resolve the issue of opening information about all the ultimate founders of companies. Including foreign founders of the largest state corporations. Then a lot of curious will pop up. After that - an inventory of the assets of all enterprises and organizations. Then we will understand how much our assets really cost and to whom they belong.

By the way, the Bank of Russia is doing this. There is a law initiated by V. Gerashchenko and T. Paramonova, according to which foreign capital in Russian banks should not exceed 12%. The current reporting of the Central Bank in the office provides for the disclosure of information on all generations of the founders.

- Does the Ministry of Economic Development have the right to such actions?

- Not. Therefore, I argue about the need for the same law for all enterprises. And above all, for companies with a predominant share of foreign capital, positioning themselves as a national treasure. I think that it will eventually appear. We must know who is the master of the house.

- While we are not home?

- International laws prevail over Russian ones. This is a sign of a colony. If really I am right and 80% of our economy belongs to foreigners, it means that we have lost control over the domestic economy. This is the second colonial sign. And it is monstrous.

Wallet Wallet What is wallet?

- According to statistics, the average salary in Russia reached almost 30 thousand rubles. Do you agree?

- Of course not. Really two times less. If we “clean out” our wages, exclude the multimillion-dollar “wages” of our oligarchs and other richest segments of the population and dividends of foreign beneficiaries and at the same time add the income that people receive as a result of intensive labor and processing, wages in envelopes and a number of other positions, then 14 – 15 thousand per person. It would be much more honest to consider average salaries separately from incomes of the rich. But then the numbers would have killed the whole myth of the rising standard of living. Except the richest, of course.

Take the indexation of incomes of the population. It seems that every year the same pensions and benefits are officially increased to the level of inflation. But consumer prices for the cheapest goods that pensioners and other poor segments of the population buy only, are growing at the highest rates. Annual inflation for the poor is not 6,5%, but 18%. That is, pensions do not increase, but actually decrease. The increase in real labor pensions in general was a tiny amount - in general, over the past year, 1,3%. The real monthly increase of the whole 334 ruble, not 952, about which the authorities are constantly talking.

- That is, real inflation is 18%?

- This is the index of consumer inflation for the poorest. Price index calculated on the range of goods and services that people buy. And not because of the “set” that fixes the cost of living and official inflation. For example, penalties have increased 10 times. It will not be included in the official statistics. Funeral services on 20% are also not taken into account. And so on a variety of positions. A statistical tool has been created that does not take into account real differences in needs and the standard of living of different segments of the population. I estimate the total real inflation for the well-to-do class of the population at 9 – 10% per year. For the middle class - 12 – 15%.

- We are talking about fictitious real wages. But official and unofficial figures do not agree with the unemployed either ...

- There is a level that is recorded as the number of registered unemployed - 1,2 million people. This is the minimum and inadequate assessment. Even more 7 – 8 millions are looking for work for a long time - more than a year. Already we get 8 – 10 millions. It also does not take into account that more than three million jobs were occupied by migrants, while displacing local residents who remained unemployed. Already 11 – 13 millions actually unemployed. This is 20% of the total working population of Russia. Therefore, the words of Prime Minister Medvedev - the more migrants we have, the lower the unemployment rate is complete nonsense. The indigenous population is simply replaced by migrants.

- In the budget for 2013, the year reduced all non-core expenses of the state: medicine, education, culture. How much does our officials actually invest in native human capital compared to other countries?

- On average, four times less than the EU countries invest. And these numbers go down all the time. When the Soviet Union invested a total of 30 – 33% of the total budget. Now less than 10%. Besides education, medicine is also a science and a sport. The state has thrown all its duties on the person himself.

- Is it true that you left the Scientific-Research Institute of Statistics with the phrase: “Tired of lying”?

- Not. For 11 years, when I worked as an institute director, I fought liars. So I said: “I’m tired of fighting those who are lying.”
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  1. makarov
    makarov 17 January 2014 07: 41
    +1
    Is everything really so deceptive as described in the material ??? It would be more correct to have conclusions on the other side, so that you can compare and understand WHO DECIDES ????
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 17 January 2014 07: 46
      +6
      Today it is very difficult to figure out who is telling the truth and who is lying for their own purposes. Officials say one thing, experts say something else, "experts" say something else ... I think the truth is somewhere nearby. Although we already feel the standard of living on ourselves. On the other hand, we seem to be eating, dressing, buying something. In general, xs ...
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 17 January 2014 09: 38
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        Quote: makarov
        It would be more correct to have conclusions on the other side, so that you can compare and understand WHO DECIDES ????

        To the question of who breset, he himself answered in his interview.
        - Can you talk about specific enterprises?
        - No, I’m operating insider information and must get permission to use it in the open press.

        About the same as in the newspapers "our source in the Ministry of Defense, who wished to remain anonymous, said that soon we will be n **** dec ". No specifics, no conversations.
        –But the prime minister relies on the reports of your former colleagues.
        –Rather businessmen from statistics. In their reports, everything positive is overstated, they try to hide the negative. Not telling the truth - this does not mean lying - this is the bible of the current schemers. What for? In order not to upset the gentleman.

        And why do the data match those of the IMF and the CIA ???
        According to Rosstat, inflation was 6,5% versus 6,6% last year. This is four times higher than in the United States overflowing with fictitious money, and almost three times higher than in Europe, which is growing sick, as in war

        Therefore, probably the debt of the United States as to Mars and vice versa, and from Europe to the moon. It is strange that the economist does not know such things.
        It would be much more honest to consider average wages separately from the incomes of the rich. But then the numbers would have killed the whole myth of rising living standards. Except the richest, of course.

        As bee Rosstat indicates both the national average salary and the salary for 10% income groups. so the rich there are "cleaned up" as well as possible.

        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 17 January 2014 09: 49
          -5
          Let's continue.

          But consumer prices for the cheapest goods that retirees and other poor people are buying at the fastest pace. The annual inflation of the poor is not 6,5%, but 18%.

          Well, let's calculate inflation for the most commonly consumed foods.
          1) Boneless beef, kg 2) Chickens (except chicken legs), kg 3) Chicken eggs, 10 pcs. 4) Rye bread, rye-wheat bread, kg 5) Buckwheat groats-kernel, kg 6) Potatoes, kg

          It was only two years 2005 and 2011 when the prices of these products rose in accordance with the statements of our statistician.
          That is, pensions do not increase, but actually decrease.

          Well, let's calculate the pensions in our products above.

          That's all. Such a feeling, or a friend does not know how to use the data of his former organization or after a kick in the ass, which he received for his liberalism, felt hurt and began to PR.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 17 January 2014 10: 18
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            Quote: sledgehammer102
            1) Boneless beef

            A year ago, it cost 280-300 rubles. Today 350-380rub. Bread cost 18-20 rubles. today 25-30rub. Inflation is 12-17%. It differs from the official schedules, isn't it? In 2012, the price of buckwheat doubled or triple, I will not touch eggs and potatoes, their prices have now risen by 50 percent, compensating for the lack of higher prices for them. hi
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 17 January 2014 18: 04
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              A year ago, it cost 280-300rub. Today is 350-380rub. Bread cost 18-20rub. today is 25-30rub. Inflation 12-17%.


              Here are the prices for products from the GCS, surprisingly, but they are very similar to your numbers (they even exceed them)and you spit saliva here. Now add up all the prices for one year by year and see inflation for a set of these foods, which are the most popular.

              This is a typical half-truth, when they choose the right example from the whole mass, for example, buckwheat in 2011 or beef in 2010 and voila, inflation 20%, and ROSSTAT speaks about 7-9%. So he does not give inflation for beef separately, but the total for food products. If you want to know separately about beef, welcome to his website, everything is easily calculated there. The plate is below.
          2. kris
            17 January 2014 11: 09
            +9
            sledgehammer102
            enough people brains to fuck their propaganda.
            here are mostly adult uncles.
            and when they are told that the communal apartment has grown by 5%, and they paid more by 20%.
            will they really believe the sugary balobols from the zombie creature!
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 January 2014 11: 19
              +5
              Quote: kris
              here are mostly adult uncles.

              But he is young, most likely the generation of the 90s. If we compare with the 90s, then now it's really nothing. laughing But we remember how it used to be, and we understand how it should be. drinks
          3. luxing
            luxing 17 January 2014 13: 45
            +4
            have you been in the store for a long time ?, the eggs went up by 6%, not by 60%, but by 6%, and the bread went up in price and the weight decreased, you probably bought imported potatoes before, and now domestic costs almost like imported, even if a year ago in the fall cost 7-10 rubles kg, this fall 12-XNUMX so wonder what is cheaper there? imported meat which is stuffed with incomprehensible what, but I know firsthand that our villagers have to give meat almost for nothing ... something like that, but I took it from some extras from where the schedules went, and the medicine increased by how much not as much as pensions, but many times more
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        2. dimon-media
          dimon-media 17 January 2014 09: 55
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          Thank you, they put everything on the shelves. Clear and understandable. So I think about the same thing. My opinion is the same.
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 17 January 2014 10: 05
          +4
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          - Can you talk about specific enterprises?

          Yes, I have already uploaded information on AvtoVAZ three times, and you are uploading your schedules again. Truly blessed is he who believes.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 17 January 2014 17: 35
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Truly blessed is he who believes.

            What does faith have to do with it? laughing

            Several people write from this nickname - that's why they repeat themselves, because they "don't remember" with whom when and what they argued with, and with whom YOU switched. That is why the difference in comments on different branches is only a minute, or even absent laughing
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 17 January 2014 10: 23
        +3
        Quote: Dangerous
        I think the truth is somewhere nearby. Although the standard of living, we already feel everything on ourselves. On the other hand, we kind of eat, dress, buy something. In general xs ...

        - I believe this expert. My allegations that Russia is still a colony, but with political rights in the international arena, are also confirmed. Kazakhstan is the same colony, but also without political rights.
        Regarding the increase in living standards, there is progress compared with the 90s, when they didn’t pay salaries for half a year, there are still, it’s hard to deny it, but because of being in a colony position, we have already reached the ceiling of the standard of living in these conditions, we’ll better live. only freed from oppression. And that tiny diaspora oppresses us, the author of the Sabbath is silent about it, but hints at it. So give NATIONAL-LIBERAL MOVEMENT! I didn’t know for 30 years that when, as a citizen of the USSR, he supported the national liberation movement of other countries, that I myself would find myself in the same position, but there was no one to support us! The same Ortega from Nicaragua even had the USSR, but everyone wants to dunk us! And the Arabs, and the Israelis, and the Americans, and all Western countries, I generally am silent about the Poles, Balts, Gizuns. They coolly salted something in their tear laughing
      3. starshina78
        starshina78 17 January 2014 10: 52
        +8
        I think that this particular person is telling the truth, but I, and many in Russia, do not believe this VTsIOM. Oh, painfully sugary, and profitable authorities. I wrote comments about this more than once. I was minuscule, but I was right! It is not necessary to go far, if you do not believe the statistics, then analyze for yourself. At least at prices in stores and petrol stations. And everything will become clear to you at once. Now compare with your income. And what do you get? And then you’ll get that inflation is several times higher than that announced by the Government, and your salary is less than average, and you did not have this same salary increase, and much more.
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        2. luxing
          luxing 17 January 2014 13: 53
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          Quote: starshina78
          I think that this particular person is telling the truth, but I, and many in Russia, do not believe this VTsIOM. Oh, painfully sugary, and profitable authorities. I wrote comments about this more than once. I was minuscule, but I was right! It is not necessary to go far, if you do not believe the statistics, then analyze for yourself. At least at prices in stores and petrol stations. And everything will become clear to you at once. Now compare with your income. And what do you get? And then you’ll get that inflation is several times higher than that announced by the Government, and your salary is less than average, and you did not have this same salary increase, and much more.

          I absolutely agree, if 2 years ago there were enough 20000 for a family, I wasn’t even interested in a penny s / n wife, but now there aren’t enough 30000, and now there’s almost no children to take to rest, etc.
        3. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 17 January 2014 17: 48
          +1
          Quote: starshina78
          I think that this particular person is telling the truth, but I, and many in Russia, do not believe this VTsIOM
      4. ele1285
        ele1285 17 January 2014 13: 46
        +2
        Quote: Dangerous
        Today it is very difficult to figure out who is telling the truth and who is lying for their own purposes.

        Why lie to Vasily SIMCHER? Remember how much money you spent on groceries at the beginning of 13 and how much now, if you don’t remember, ask your wife. Is it easy for a person of pre-retirement or retirement age to get a job, you probably know the answer yourself. Newly opened enterprises in the afternoon since You will not find fire. And turn on the news on 1 or 2 channel, it seems that tomorrow will come communism. Previously, they were stuffed with one black thing, but now there are so many positive things on TV that you feel sick. He said correctly: - "the kingdom of crooked mirrors."
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    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 17 January 2014 08: 04
      +13
      Is everything really so deceptive as described in the material ???


      And why are you afraid of the TRUTH? Look around everything really like the former director of the Research Institute of Statistics, Doctor of Economics, Professor Vasily SIMCHERA says.
      And so that the official statistics do not say, look around you what is happening in your city, district, region, as a whole in the country, compare with what happened in the Soviet years, and you will see massively abandoned and closed enterprises, agricultural fields. You will see that the liberals led by Putin and Co. and their official statistics lie to the people in order to show their "good" work, in order to stay in power as long as possible, and to steal, steal and steal.
      Russia has in fact been turned into a colony of the West and the USA, only a blind and obvious liar do not see this.
      1. dimon-media
        dimon-media 17 January 2014 08: 54
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        Quote: vladimirZ
        And so that official statistics do not say, look around you, what is happening in your city, region, region

        I see what's going on. In our streets. There is nowhere to put the car. Everything is jammed, everything is busy. Many of their cars are put in lawns, under windows, they are almost driven into the entrance. Do people live badly? In my old job, one family worked in the same shop as ordinary workers and each family member has his own car, including two children. Where is it worse to live then? The pancake is dying of hunger, yeah. And I can give full of such examples, when ordinary people live NORMALLY. As they say, who works, he "eats"!
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 17 January 2014 09: 03
          +8
          What does the car have to do with it ?? Our buckets can now be bought for 80-100 thousand, this is not an indicator! The growth of the population’s income and the quality of its life can be compared with the person to whom the weight was attached. Yes, he goes forward, but barely, although without this weight, in the form of general corruption, theft, upholding personal business interests, etc., it would have been much better. If for you a car is a sign of well-being and you close your eyes to everything else or just don’t see, this is your business
          1. dimon-media
            dimon-media 17 January 2014 09: 16
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            Quote: Dangerous
            What does the car have to do with it ?? Our buckets can now be bought for 80-100 thousand

            It never occurred to you that even buckets should be kept? Repair, taxes, insurance, spare parts, gasoline. it sounds corny, but having and maintaining any car, even our domestic one, is one of the signs of well-being. A beggar cannot even pull a bicycle. He has thoughts about something else.
            Take the average salary at the moment and index it five to ten years ago and remember what the average salary at that time was. Well, and how much you could buy for this or that salary. Once again, taking into account indexation.
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            2. Dangerous
              Dangerous 17 January 2014 09: 36
              +8
              What are you all about cars but about cars. here is not an auto forum! At my place, men have our cars, about 5 years old, the youngest. And what, in the winter, few people ride, because they can’t buy rubber, or something else. People also drive in the summer winter, save on maintenance and repair, refuel for 200 rubles. But there is a car. A car has long ceased to be a luxury
          2. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 17 January 2014 11: 00
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            Quote: Dangerous
            Our buckets can now be bought for 80-100 thousand,


            You can buy a bucket. Only having 15 thousand salaries cannot even buy a bucket. And judging by the words of a tovar from an interview with us, cars with roads should be the same as in Cuba. But for some reason I see the opposite.
            There are very few "buckets", mostly good strong foreign cars with a lot of new cars.
            I'm not saying that everything is fine with us. But. There are strong points and they should not be hushed up.
            I remember how I lived before Putin and clearly understand that I live better now.
            Himself a military pensioner. I work with private traders.
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        3. Sakmagon
          Sakmagon 17 January 2014 09: 17
          +1
          ... there is a lie, there is a big lie and there are statistics ...

          Therefore, now it will tell you TRUTH famous russian scientist in this region, former director of the Research Institute of Statistics, Doctor of Economics, Professor Vasily SIMCHERA !!! wink
          1. igordok
            igordok 17 January 2014 10: 04
            +2
            Quote: Sacmagon
            Therefore, now it will tell you TRUTH

            My philosophy teacher at the institute claimed that TRUE и TRUE very different concepts. winked
          2. Russ69
            Russ69 17 January 2014 14: 15
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            Quote: Sacmagon
            former director of the Research Institute of Statistics,

            I am always somewhat surprised by all these experts, especially with the prefix "ex". While they work, everything is fine, but as soon as they turn from somewhere, then the scribe; "everybody lies, I'm the only one so honest."
        4. Kolya
          Kolya 17 January 2014 10: 13
          +5
          someone has nowhere to put cars, and someone has a 20 tractor for the last money buys land to plow. The statistician is not directly about this and says that incomes are distributed unevenly. Average income, for example, is distorted by a few super incomes.
          People buy cars (so as not to look worse than others and sometimes mow even under pretty ones, Lexuses, etc.) and buy on credit, and then save on everything, including health.
          1. igordok
            igordok 17 January 2014 12: 42
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            Quote: Kohl
            someone has nowhere to put cars, and someone has a 20 tractor for the last money buys land to plow. The statistician is not directly about this and says that incomes are distributed unevenly. Average income, for example, is distorted by a few super incomes.

            "Average temperature in the hospital" - this is from the repertoire of statistics.
        5. luxing
          luxing 17 January 2014 13: 32
          +1
          firstly, the article is not about who has how many cars, and secondly, this is where every hard worker has a car, probably in Moscow ?, or they steal, but in the Saratov region, I don’t see something like that ..
        6. luxing
          luxing 17 January 2014 13: 32
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          firstly, the article is not about who has how many cars, and secondly, this is where every hard worker has a car, probably in Moscow ?, or they steal, but in the Saratov region, I don’t see something like that ..
        7. ele1285
          ele1285 17 January 2014 13: 57
          +2
          Quote: dimon-media
          There is nowhere to put the car. Everything is jammed, everything is busy. Many of their cars are put in lawns, under windows, they are almost driven into the entrance. Do people live badly? In my old job, one family worked in the same shop as ordinary workers and each family member has his own car, including two children. Where is it worse to live then? The pancake is dying of hunger, yeah. And I can give full of such examples, when ordinary people live NORMALLY. As the saying goes, who works, he "eats"!

          Cars put hamlo on the lawn, to put it mildly. We also have two cars in our family, my wife has Matiz, it is expensive, long and inconvenient for her to travel to work by public transport, and I have a 10-year Volga bought for 50 rubles, because in hospitals you have to wander around, and for some reason they are in Moscow in different parts of the city. And your friend's family of loans may have a mouth full, and the mouse is dead in the refrigerator. So your concept of "when ordinary people live NORMALLY" is very relative. there is, but they have not seen anything sweeter than carrots, and their biggest dish is a loaf of bread.
    4. negeroi
      negeroi 17 January 2014 16: 40
      -1
      Everyone lies, always. Everything and always. Even when you think that you are honest and truthful, you lie to yourself. And at best, you tell your truth, which is not true for others. What can we say about politics. Besides enemies there is also a psychology of behavior herds. The herd is cowardly, frightened of anything, but panic is completely disastrous. The herd of frightened crushes itself. No matter how unpleasant it may sound, the human herd is no different from any other. And the shepherds are forced to take this factor into account informing citizens. panic is much worse than the cause of panic. The simplest example is the damage from the accident at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, many times and much less than the damage caused by the stampede of the Japanese from real and imaginary radiation. So everyone always lies, any research is rigged by scientists, because of that that I really want to find what I want to find. Therefore, the scientific data is repeatedly checked, because faith is not worth a penny even to the most beautiful and authoritative scientist. flaxly or involuntarily. Unless the engineers and techies are a caste of devious people. So they are real Atlanteans on whom the world rests.
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  2. mak210
    mak210 17 January 2014 08: 13
    -1
    Yes. Very similar to the all-weaver. If not for one BUT. The man left the civil service and is boiling in business. On the one hand, it should be reminded of oneself in order to increase the rating, although it is already quite high, the past position and degree speak for themselves. On the other hand, if it is pumping and it will be caught on numbers, in business they will immediately transfer it to the basket.

    Only the lack of links to information sources is alarming. But in general, a plus, somewhere as I expected. And inflation and "average" hospital salaries. Remember Dimona was asked about the salaries of doctors, which, after the well-known measures to increase, actually decreased due to a significant increase in the planned load? He answered, "Lies," and hastily moved on to the next question. Maybe he really doesn't know? Or pretended to be?

    And the Big Head for the resettlement of the victims of the Far East. He promised to resettle everyone before the winter. But it turns out I forgot to say that before the winter of 2014. Also didn’t know that the promise would not be fulfilled? This, too, is statistics.
  3. mountain
    mountain 17 January 2014 08: 14
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    Or maybe someone is profitable? To expose everything that is being done in a bad light. And yet Russia rises, whoever would not write or say. Paradox? Yes, there is no longer a rule.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 January 2014 17: 59
      +1
      Quote: mountain
      And yet Russia is rising
  4. dimon-media
    dimon-media 17 January 2014 08: 44
    -5
    According to statistics, the average salary in Russia reached almost 30 thousand rubles. Do you agree?
    - Of course not. Really two times less.

    Impudent lies. My brother works as a repairman at a factory and earns around 25.000 rubles. I work on anotherthe factory is also a repairman of production equipment and I have a zp passes slightly for 30 thousand rubles (PURE, on hand). There is nothing to lie to the author (or its source?), Twice as few as cleaners and janitors earn. By the way, I am from N. Novgorod, and not from Moscow.
    I can not read custom articles. Alarmism. From discharge - "The truncated is gone, chief!
    Article minus.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 17 January 2014 09: 05
      +4
      not, well, if the repairman himself said that the article was custom-made, then it is!
      1. dimon-media
        dimon-media 17 January 2014 09: 11
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        Because I see who earns how much in factories, in industry. I do not work with managers, but with simple hard workers. And there is nothing to escalate. Yes, I am a repairman and do not be shy about my profession. Because I really bring with my colleagues the benefit of our industry not on paper, not for statistics and not in words, but really in practice. And who are you, dear?
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        3. Dangerous
          Dangerous 17 January 2014 09: 38
          +3
          I work with managers and with hard workers and with a secretary) We do not have such salaries in large enterprises or in small ones. Usually 15-20, less often 25-35
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        5. s1н7т
          s1н7т 17 January 2014 10: 43
          +3
          Quote: dimon-media
          Because I see who earns how much in factories, in industry.

          Well yes. Maybe someone earns money at the factories, only the staff has been reduced by 2–3 times — where do the shortened earn? They write to the media - UZTM is about to close - well, a clear example of industry growth! And where will the people go to work? They are not building new factories! Take a neighboring factory - 1 shop out of 5 works! The rest at which plant money is being raked? That is, you get money for those who have been reduced. So much for the hospital average! Take off your cheap pink pink glasses!
        6. Kazakh
          Kazakh 17 January 2014 16: 26
          +1
          and I have a letter on the Altai carriage in the city of Novoaltaysk it works as a mechanic too; it gets 12500 rubles in the highest category in 18000 years, but you are from the Lower Well therefore the author is lying
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    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 17 January 2014 10: 27
      +3
      Quote: dimon-media
      By the way, I'm from N. Novgorod,

      Which enterprise? I hope it's not a secret.
      1. dimon-media
        dimon-media 17 January 2014 10: 34
        +3
        No, not a secret. Brother at OKBM is working. I'm on Cr. Anchor.
        1. kris
          17 January 2014 18: 24
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          Quote: dimon-media
          No, not a secret. Brother at OKBM is working. I'm on Cr. Anchor.

          OKBM - I agree. and at Anchor began to pay?
    4. alone
      alone 17 January 2014 20: 27
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      Quote: dimon-media
      Impudent lies. My brother works as a repairman at a factory and earns around 25.000 rubles. I work at another plant as well as a repairman of production equipment and I have a zp passes slightly for 30 thousand rubles (PURE, on hand).


      Are you sure that in all regions people get the same salary? The statistics are calculated. If, for example, one worker receives 50000 rubles and another worker 30 rubles, then on average they get 000 rubles. Here are such pies.)) So the author does not lie, but simply voices the fact.
  5. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 17 January 2014 09: 00
    +9
    Well, where are the schedules for bread, gasoline, sausage? Something does not agree ... Here in this article the real state of affairs on inflation, prices and salaries, pensions is reflected!
  6. pawel1961
    pawel1961 17 January 2014 09: 06
    +2
    Yes that's right . This is what concerns the so-called average salaries.
  7. svoi
    svoi 17 January 2014 09: 26
    +1
    Nature has given our country a huge amount of resources, primarily hydrocarbons. Comrade Stalin - arguments showing that these resources are ours. Everything else is smoke, mirage, fiction.
  8. dimon-media
    dimon-media 17 January 2014 09: 36
    -1
    To the author and his source: Here is your Europe. Watch how they live awesome.
  9. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 17 January 2014 09: 39
    +4
    I wrote the same about the "crafty statistics" and in my posts on other "branches" of the forum, dedicated or related, to one degree or another, to this issue. However, even then there were many people on our forum who entered into polemics with me about this, motivating it by the fact that this is, after all, "OFFICIAL statistics !! - it cannot be wrong or false! And if you do not believe the STATE STATISTICS, then who, then believe! Tired, then argue. Obviously "fools in life" cannot be convinced of something, their life does not teach them anything, they sincerely continue to believe in the holy words for them "Official", "State ", etc.
  10. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 17 January 2014 10: 20
    -1
    1. "For example, the prime minister in December 2013 said that our GDP grew by 1,4-1,5%. This is within the statistical margin of error." - How much can you waste the poor statistical error, look at what it is, where did you get that 1,5%? If so, please provide the calculations.
    2. “According to Rosstat, inflation was 6,5% against 6,6% last year. This is four times higher than in the USA overflowing with fictitious money, and almost three times higher than in the waning, like in the war, Europe. " - general inflation is generally like the average temperature in a hospital. How can you lump together the dynamics of prices for milk, apartments in Moscow, steel and smartphones? Each group has its own dynamics, with its own causes and effects.
    3. Agriculture grew by 6,8% against its fall in 2012 by 5%. Total - 1,7%. Again within the margin of error. - You can’t count some indicators for the year, others for 2 years, and others for 10, otherwise you will get only what you want, and not what really is.
    4. The trade surplus in our reporting year will amount to $ 146,8 billion. In 2012, it went over 200 billion. The fall is $ 44 billion. The answer to the question “why?” - no. Have you been looking for an answer? And in general, if the larger the balance, let's put the iron curtain, we will sell everything, do not buy anything, the balance will immediately jump.
    In general, in my opinion, about nothing.
  11. Stinger
    Stinger 17 January 2014 10: 31
    +2
    In a crafty state, crafty statistics.
  12. Sanyl
    Sanyl 17 January 2014 10: 44
    +1
    Blank article of an empty journalist about an empty man. There are no figures and no data - some general conclusions.
  13. ing
    ing 17 January 2014 10: 54
    +1
    yeah static is a thing! extras are asked - who is more Chinese or Norwegians, and he replies:
    Of course the Norwegians, but only redheads should be considered. So with this article. You look at the media, there is a trade surplus and why, then, there is a budget deficit, There is no long-term financing for real industry, or at 16-20 percent, and instead of lowering rates at least to the Central Bank, state-owned banks themselves speculate with the money collected from the people and profit or better keep it from PINs at 0.5 percent. Explain who knows this wisdom.
  14. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 17 January 2014 11: 05
    +6
    From the article it turns out that almost the entire economy, which was built by the hard work of all generations of Soviet people, quietly and peacefully "migrated" into the pockets of a Western citizen-oligarch? (80%) All the conquerors of our country have dreamed about this, throughout history. If this is true, then this is a disaster! Will there be, foreign owners of enterprises to fight to increase labor productivity, to take care of a simple worker. But Medvedev is surprised that there is no industry growth. Russian liberals have brought the economy to a deplorable state. And no one can stop this chaos ...
  15. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 January 2014 12: 19
    +3
    It is necessary to drive into the neck of extras - scribblers, spinning around their owners and giving predictions like "What do you please". and most of the non-professional ministers of the so-called. "effective managers." The people (and not just the authorities) should be informed - who, where and how did it! "The foolishness of everyone should be visible" - even Tsar Peter said.
  16. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 17 January 2014 13: 01
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    Quote: igordok
    My philosophy teacher at the institute argued that TRUTH and TRUTH are very different concepts.

    And rightly so. Since he knew and, most importantly, understood both meanings of these words. wink
  17. vkrav
    vkrav 17 January 2014 14: 10
    0
    For some reason, when it comes to statistics, all the time I remember a poster from a bottle in the movie "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears" - "Let's raise the culture of alcohol consumption by 12%!" (C) laughing Statistics are deceivingly soothing figures taken out of a specific context.
  18. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 17 January 2014 14: 22
    0
    Mathematical statistics are power, but nobody uses it)
  19. Bigriver
    Bigriver 17 January 2014 15: 29
    -3
    A true fighter and righteous!
    For 11 years, being the director of the key statistical structure of the Russian Federation, the Borolsey-Borolsey .., and did not fight.
    He fought, presumably, endorsing fake reports every year?
    "Having lied once, who will believe you?"
  20. SPACE
    SPACE 17 January 2014 20: 02
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    Quote: makarov
    makarov

    Quote: sledgehammer102
    sledgehammer102

    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72

    Quote: kris
    kris

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    Yarosvet

    Quote: aksakal
    aksakal

    Amazing day today! There are three very interesting articles:
    1. Statistical error. About where did the GDP go.
    2. Effective managers have done more damage to Russia than Hitler’s invasion. About where the industry went.
    3. Behind the elections, ahead - rations. About where the electricity went.
    Generally admit it is like, or trolling, or ...?
    I have an explanation for three questions at once!
    Build a schedule for electricity production from 1988 to 2013. See that electricity consumption is growing despite a decline in production !!! and put on it a graph of GDP! ... The fact is that the data for calculating GDP are taken from the data of tax and banking operations, but, as you know, part of the economy works in black, which means that part of the GDP is simply impossible to determine by traditional means! But if we compare the graph of electricity consumption in relation to GDP, then it can be seen that GDP is falling with a constant increase in energy consumption !!! What conclusion can be drawn from this ??? Yes, very simple! That part of the goods produced through the use of electricity is sold bypassing the tax and banking sectors !!! And this means that part of the real GDP is simply unaccounted for! So the author of the article is just lying! ... An article on limiting the consumption of electricity in Russia only says that it is not enough, either the residents (getting richer) or production (which, judging by the article, completely collapsed) is still developing !!!
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 18 January 2014 23: 52
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      Quote: SPACE
      The article on limiting the consumption of electricity in Russia only says that it is not enough, either the residents (getting richer) or the production (which, judging by the article, completely collapsed) is still developing !!!

      Or it is not enough for export.