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Pre-Olympic battles: Kozak vs. Casper

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The closer the Sochi Olympics are, the greater the number of news reports dedicated to this event, the more judgments and hypotheses are put forward regarding the Olympics. It is distressing that all these hypotheses and judgments are far from sport, from individual and team achievements, from athletes' readiness, from sport traditions, in the end. Most often, this is either a discussion of the obscene failures of “progressive” Western politicians from attending the Olympics, who (politicians) can, you see, are haunted by the law banning the promotion of homosexuality among minors in Russia (by the way, the law itself they did not see it), or the topic of costs that are associated with the preparation for the Games. Of course, the themes are important, but, frankly, suggesting that with their help someone, as they say, is actively promoting, promoting his own, to anyone (or few) a well-known name. As they say, they have the right to that ...


Many of the domestic hyperliberal media outlets took a statement from one of the members of the International Olympic Committee of the Swiss Gianfranco Casper (President of the International Ski Federation), in which he noted that in Russia 50 billions of dollars were spent on preparing for the Olympics. a third was plundered. At the same time, in an interview with Reuters, 69-year-old Casper said that such spending on a two-week event, which will start in Sochi in less than a month, will be scared away, quote: traditionally strong in various kinds of winter sports in the country. Like, after the Sochi costs, not every country will want to host the Olympic Games. That is, according to the IOC chief skier, Russia through Sochi forms a kind of financial inferiority complex with other countries.

Well, this is a separate opinion of a single person, on which to attempt at all to anything. Only in this connection, it’s especially interesting that a whole range of Russian mass media specifically Mr. Kasper’s statements about embezzlement at the Olympics are taken as a basis, as if the highly respected Gianfranco is not the head of the ski association, but a representative of the international audit firm fighting financial crimes ...
For the sake of justice, it must be said that in Russia, and without any statements from Casper, many, to put it mildly, guessed that certain gentlemen could warm up their hands during the construction of Olympic facilities. However, it is not entirely clear on what documentary evidence a Swiss friend of a big sport decided that exactly one third of the allocated funds were stolen in Sochi, and not, say, half or not three quarters. And where is the head of the ski federation at all? ..

But if we believe our Dmitry Kozak, deputy chairman of the Russian government, nothing has been stolen in Sochi ... It’s just such data that a Russian government official just a few days ago said that it’s not 50 of billions of dollars that went to prepare for the Olympics, but only 214 billion rubles (about $ 6,5 billion), and that of these funds 115 billion rubles - private investment. At the same time, Mr. Kozak immediately explained where his information came from, citing monitoring from Rosfinnadzor and the Audit Chamber.



It is noteworthy that such statements by Deputy Prime Minister Kozak appeared precisely after the publication of materials by Gianfranco Casper. As the saying goes, near-sports battles: Kozak vs. Casper ...

Vladimir Yakunin, head of Russian Railways, also voiced his thoughts on the “calculations” of the Swiss representative of the IOC. Recall that Russian Railways took the most direct part in the construction of several facilities in Sochi (including the creation of the Sochi-Krasnaya Polyana high-speed railway), and therefore Yakunin apparently received accusations from Casper and on his own account . The quote from the head of the Railways leads the information service RBC:

How can you relate to the fact that the official representative of Switzerland says that a third of the money in the construction of the Olympics was stolen? Was he involved in this theft? Then it is necessary to judge him. If he received any materials proving that this is true, then put it on the table. Otherwise, you are a slanderer, you must be judged by the law.

In general, Gianfranco Casper was clearly not aware that it was he who in Switzerland could add zeros to the figures without any special consequences, declare how many selected "thalers" passed or would pass by the Olympics, and reflect on who and who causes complexes, but in Russia there are people who can (whether Casper is right or wrong), figuratively speaking, to let this Swiss sports functionary along the giant slalom track, putting their skis on their legs back, with their noses down ... Once they said that no one stole nothing so nobody he did not steal ... And Bilalov also did not steal ... So in my notebook, Mr. Casper even writes ...

But it should be noted that the quotes of the representative of the IOC from Switzerland, devoted to theft during the preparations for the Olympics, replicated eager for sensations by the Russian media, this is not a complete representation of the interview with Casper. In fact, our liberal "colleagues" pulled out from his speech only those words that are excellent "for denouncing the regime." All that does not fit into such a Procrustean bed is calmly cut off. In this regard, it remains to submit separately the “cut off” parts of the Casper interview given to several German publications, including Reuters.
In particular, from the same interview:

In order to create something similar in the Alps, we needed 150 years, and the Russians did it in five years! If you see it all with your own eyes, then you will be shocked! I have no doubt that the games will be wonderful on the most modern sports fields that you imagine. My expectations are good.


Well, how could I share such information from the Swiss sports functionary, for example, the TV channel “Rain”, which gave material exclusively about the “Olympic” theft, pretending that Casper did not add anything else to his assessment of the future Sochi Games. Well, as they say, this is “unformat” ...

But Kasper's remark, (as it happened, this member of the IOC today is clearly paid increased attention in Russia), the pace of construction reveals the essence of why the Olympics, for example, in Turin (2006), were spent for approximately 2 billion euros, and Sochi for a large amount. In Sochi, all the training was conducted from scratch. Another thing is why it was necessary precisely in Sochi, where they will certainly from scratch ... But this is already a philosophical question, the answer to which is not subject to the logic of a simple man in the street ...

More from Casper's interview:

We know that we all need security. Alas, the problem of terrorism is not only in the Russian Federation, but throughout the world. I see what efforts are being made by the leadership of Russia in order to avoid any negative situations. An important point in terms of safety of games: the organizers cut the number of spectators by about 50 percent in competitions in the mountains. Yes, this creates difficulties in creating a special atmosphere, but I have no doubt that Sochi will be the safest place in the world during the Olympics.


In the views of the Russian hyperliberal media, these words were presented approximately as follows: a representative of the IOC criticized the Russian authorities for the fact that they added extra police forces in Sochi, thus preventing 50% of sports fans from entering the mountain tracks.

In general, the context of the situation is clear: everyone in this case tries to kill his hare. Casper, in order not to forget that he is also a member of the IOC, says that there will be a modern and safe Olympiad in Sochi, but only the price for this is too high, and a certain part of this price lies in the criminal plane. Dmitry Kozak, as a high-ranking government official, trying not to fall face in the dirt and having all the resources to “refer” to anyone, declares that no theft has been recorded in Sochi. Hyperliberal media, following the chosen trend, masterfully operate with information flows, giving a course to one and exposing obstacles for others. In general, everyone is busy with his own business ...

I would like to hope that all these intrigues, scuffles and scandals will not prevent our athletes from approaching the preparations for the main competitions of the year with full responsibility. Otherwise, someone with strange lust is already waiting for the Russian sports failure ...
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  1. Bongo
    Bongo 17 January 2014 08: 04
    +14
    But if we believe our Dmitry Kozak, deputy chairman of the Russian government, then nothing is stolen in Sochi ...

    From one extreme to another.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 17 January 2014 08: 18
      +18
      Why so, maybe Kozak is an honest man, and meant that they personally did not steal anything in Sochi? laughing
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 17 January 2014 08: 43
        -6
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        t Kozak is an honest man and meant that he personally did not steal anything in Sochi?

        But he also called a figure of 214 billion rubles. He lies and does not blush, a professional in this matter and it looks like nothing more if one Adler-Krasnaya Polyana road cost 250 billion rubles (48 km).
        1. suomi
          suomi 17 January 2014 09: 04
          +31
          The road is not an Olympiad, but an infrastructure that will remain there forever. All roads, power plants, airports, etc. are not included in the costs of the Olympiad itself. Learn materiel. And many, whether deliberately or unknowingly, combine these two different items of expenditure. By building the infrastructure for the Olympics, the state is settling down, that is, doing what all critics urge by throwing mud at Russia. When we start to create comfortable living conditions, for some reason they begin to water us again. Think of the Far East summit, everything that has been built is now being used. Go to some site in Vladivostok. Read the reviews about the same bridge, on which so much money was "thrown" and "half of it was stolen" (as we were presented by the liberalistic media).
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 17 January 2014 09: 43
            +7
            Quote: suomi
            Teach materiel

            He learned the initial estimate for this road from 2006 to 91 billion 232 million rubles. The cost of the same estimate for sports facilities is 78 billion rubles. And the total for the Olympics is 313 billion rubles. But after the start of the estimate, it began to swell to an incredible size and the total costs (sports facilities, transportation, etc.) grew by almost 5 time.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 17 January 2014 20: 28
              +2
              Quote: baltika-18
              The initial estimate for this road from 2006 of the year 91 billion 232 million rubles.


              How much has the cost of the road increased? And how much does the project cost with the same level of complexity increase? If there was a rise in price, then this does not mean theft. Another thing is that it was and it is a fact, the question is only in size, but in this question as they say "The liberal has big eyes".

              The question of proof of this theft is no less complicated than the investigation of the Kennedy assassination, since a dumb one can only rob a train, and a smart one will steal an entire railway.
              1. oracul
                oracul 19 January 2014 09: 32
                +1
                I am joining! One of the tragedies of our capitalism is a systematic increase in costs, which does not allow us to work at fixed prices during the construction and production of facilities with long construction cycles. For this reason, for example, in the 90s, defense orders were disrupted. Yes, the Ministry of Defense allocated funds for financing the construction of submarines. But, firstly, not always in a timely manner. Secondly, the construction cycle is measured over the years, and costs objectively (the same electricity, fuel) are growing. Underfunding naturally arises. The ministry does not want to increase costs. Production cannot be stopped. A loan is taken. But oh, how dear we are in Russia. Such costs, all the more so, no one is going to voluntarily cover. And this continues in the current conditions. Although there is undoubtedly progress.
            2. 31231
              31231 17 January 2014 21: 39
              +3
              But after the start of the estimate, it began to swell to an incredible size and the total costs (sports facilities, transportation, etc.) grew almost 5 times.

              Can I estimate or data from serious sources about an increase in estimates by 5 times? Or would you just throw write?
            3. oracul
              oracul 19 January 2014 09: 16
              -1
              If you believe your figures, then we are talking about one and a half trillion rubles. True, somewhere I have already seen this figure with reference to some competent source familiar with the information. I have no doubt that this is outright disinformation. The fact that there is theft and kickbacks, then most likely have a place to be. True, it seems that it is not on the scale that Russophobes like to write about. The trouble is that they were not allowed to build Olympic facilities, they were not allowed to profit. And this is so unnerving. So they yell at the top of their lungs "Stop thief!"
          2. predator.3
            predator.3 17 January 2014 10: 34
            +4
            But if we believe our Dmitry Kozak, deputy chairman of the Russian government, then nothing is stolen in Sochi ...


            We believe Dmitry Nikolaevich, so that at least a penny is stolen from us in Russia! wassat
            And what do Western pedeas tremble ... sorry, faces of alternative sexual orientation are all from the evil one! laughing
            1. Combitor
              Combitor 17 January 2014 14: 37
              +1
              Kozak is a crystal soul man. He simply must challenge Casper to a duel.
              All the damned Western capitalist liberals are lying.
              <IOC: A third of the money allocated for the Sochi Olympics is stolen
              January 10, 2014, 10:04 ["AN-online"]
              A third of the money allocated for the organization of the Winter Olympics in Sochi is stolen. Jean-Franco Casper, President of the International Ski Federation (FIS) and member of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), saying that the budget that was intended to organize the Olympics was stolen by more than 30 percent, said he was not surprised by the extent of theft.
              In an interview with the Swiss television and radio company SFR, Kasper said that about 13 billion euros had been stolen from the budget. In his opinion, this has become commonplace in Russia. The very Olympics Kasper calls a PR project of Russian President Vladimir Putin, the radio station "Echo of Moscow" reports. The IOC member proposes to consider the release of Mikhail Khodorkovsky from the same point of view, as well as the amnesty, under which, among other released, activists of Greenpeace and girls - members of the punk group Pussy Riot, fell.
              FIS President and IOC member Jean-Franco Kasper a few months ago in an interview with the German newspaper Die Welt said that the organizers of the Olympic Games in Sochi still have about 10 thousand unresolved problems, but the unlimited financial capabilities of the Russian president will help to avoid overlaps.>
              1. 31231
                31231 17 January 2014 21: 45
                +2
                Can you see everything that you threw in from "Yehu Matzah" in the English version of the original sources? Or Yehu Matzah Crystal Soul Radio ?!
                You read the article first, and then throw it away.

                Alexey, thanks. The article is not one-sided and elaborated.
          3. starshina78
            starshina78 17 January 2014 11: 06
            0
            Yes, I do not believe that nothing has been stolen from us! But what about the leapfrog of the bosses of Olympstroy and Putin's dragging of careless bosses at individual facilities, when he publicly named the numbers. What is it like ! I trust Kasper more!
          4. Pancho
            Pancho 17 January 2014 16: 59
            +3
            Why build a road to Krasnaya Polyana, where you can ski at sky-high prices, can a hospital be better repaired?
        2. a52333
          a52333 17 January 2014 10: 35
          +18
          Have you been there? I came back a week ago. So: there are three of them. Two autobahns and a railway. It is even difficult to count the number of bridges and tunnels. Everything is illuminated, at night I saw a flying skier (LED in the sky) in the sky, I did not find it in the morning. The suspension bridge is just beauty. So: every nail, every cup and glass, metalwork was brought from the "mainland". The last time I carried a plastic pipe (volume 30 cubic meters, weight 200 kg. The trip cost Olympstroy 30000. And so for each carnation. Adler and Veseloye simply do not recognize, the Adler railway station is just an alien ship.
      2. SolomonSS
        SolomonSS 17 January 2014 08: 50
        -1
        As the saying goes: "not caught, not a thief"
    2. A.YARY
      A.YARY 17 January 2014 08: 33
      +11
      As a resident of the city of Sochi, I will not say anything!
      Especially on the eve of the introduction of social standards for electricity .....
      1. Krasnoarmeec
        Krasnoarmeec 17 January 2014 09: 04
        +1
        Are any of the members of the forum going to go to the games?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 January 2014 09: 43
          +1
          Quote: Krasnoarmeec
          Are any of the members of the forum going to go to the games?

          I wanted to, but plans changed and there was no money for fun laughing
          1. Krasnoarmeec
            Krasnoarmeec 17 January 2014 10: 31
            +12
            I wanted to, but plans changed and there was no money for laughing


            And my wife and I nevertheless decided, at least, so to speak, on a skeleton-700r and bobsleigh-1000r, accommodation 4000r per day, for 5 days, well, plus the road, in general, I will definitely share my impressions upon return.
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 17 January 2014 13: 49
          +10
          Quote: Krasnoarmeec
          Are any of the members of the forum going to go to the games?

          I’ll go, my friends bought tickets for two hockey matches with our national team and one with Canada, but all for the first round. And there’s a ticket for biathlon. Well, and then, how it goes. We will live only in Abkhazia. Sochi is a little expensive ...
          1. Krasnoarmeec
            Krasnoarmeec 17 January 2014 14: 15
            +5
            rus69 SU Today, 13:49 ↑
            I’ll go, my friends bought tickets for two hockey matches with our national team and one with Canada, but all for the first round. And there’s a ticket for biathlon.


            Hockey!!! I envy white envy !!!!!! good
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 17 January 2014 14: 22
              +3
              Quote: Krasnoarmeec
              Hockey!!! I envy white envy !!!!!!

              I did not regret, throw 15 pieces. In principle, just for the sake of hockey and food ... smile
      2. suomi
        suomi 17 January 2014 09: 06
        +4
        Keep silent in vain. It is advisable to listen to all parties, including residents of the city.
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 17 January 2014 09: 17
          +5
          Edward
          Mat is forbidden on the site, and even just some Russian upshotna are absolutely understandable words.
          Well, you understand .........

          PySy
          Ruff his copper !!!!!! angry
      3. Slevinst
        Slevinst 17 January 2014 09: 49
        +9
        And I, as a resident of Sochi, will say that in my opinion they stole a lot if kickbacks are called theft, I like everything that I built and it will remain, about the Winter Olympics why this question was discussed repeatedly in Sochi, Sochi is at the same latitude as 60 -70% of winter - Olympic cities.
        1. Far East
          Far East 17 January 2014 13: 43
          +4
          Quote: Slevinst
          Sochi is located at the same latitude as 60-70% of the winter - Olympic cities.

          you have there and so the resort! let's have it with us? the same latitude is one! there is everything for the winter! only there is no infrastructure! why are we worse?
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 17 January 2014 13: 52
            +5
            Quote: Far East
            you have there and so the resort! let's have it with us? the same latitude is one! there is everything for the winter! only there is no infrastructure! why are we worse?

            Winter Universiade 19. in Krasnoyarsk will be held.
            1. Far East
              Far East 17 January 2014 15: 25
              +3
              Quote: Russ69
              Winter Universiade 19. in Krasnoyarsk will be held.

              Well, I’m not from there! I'm from the coast of the Tatar Strait! hi we have the Sikhote-Alin ridge, a tiger, a leopard, a bear, a lynx, a wild boar, a red deer, an elk lynx. in short a lot of shaw still killer whales, sharks, crab, shrimp!
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 17 January 2014 15: 47
                +2
                Quote: Far East
                we have the Sikhote-Alin ridge, a tiger, a leopard, a bear, a lynx, a wild boar, a red deer, an elk lynx. in short a lot of shaw still killer whales, sharks, crab, shrimp!

                Beautiful there ... I served, in principle, in principle, in those parts of Spassk-Dalniy. Already about 4 years I want to break out there, but somehow it does not grow together, alas ...
                1. Far East
                  Far East 17 January 2014 15: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Russ69
                  Beautiful there...

                  here is paradise! only now they don’t want to raise the Far East Siberia! sorry.
                2. Far East
                  Far East 17 January 2014 15: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Russ69
                  Already about 4 years I want to break out there, but somehow it does not grow together, alas ...

                  come! I invite everyone!
                  1. Russ69
                    Russ69 17 January 2014 16: 19
                    0
                    Quote: Far East
                    come! I invite everyone!

                    Thank you, this year, it will not work. I will try next. In me in Vladik, an old business partner is living, that’s calling me. Ah, I only promise ... request
                    1. Far East
                      Far East 17 January 2014 16: 45
                      +2
                      try hard! GOD to the rescue!
                  2. Egen
                    Egen 17 January 2014 16: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: Far East
                    come! I invite everyone!

                    Sergey, I catch the word :)
                    I have also been dreaming for a long time with my family to drive a car to your region (I’m in Kemerovo), but I still haven’t gotten further than Irkutsk :( If you find somewhere, please drop off the Internet links to tourist and other objects and roads, taking into account visits to auto :)
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                  3. Egen
                    Egen 17 January 2014 16: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Far East
                    come! I invite everyone!

                    Sergey, I catch the word :)
                    I have also been dreaming for a long time with my family to drive a car to your region (I’m in Kemerovo), but I still haven’t gotten further than Irkutsk :( If you find somewhere, please drop off the Internet links to tourist and other objects and roads, taking into account visits to auto :)
                    1. Far East
                      Far East 18 January 2014 04: 33
                      0
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                    2. Far East
                      Far East 18 January 2014 04: 35
                      0
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            2. Slevinst
              Slevinst 27 January 2014 10: 31
              0
              I do not mind, but at this time it’s too cold for you to comfortably rub street sports, it’s easier for us to reach athletes and guests from all over the world.
    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 17 January 2014 09: 28
      +11
      In order to create something similar in the Alps, it took us 150 years, and the Russians did it in five years!
      Envy and angry from powerlessness ..

      Russia through Sochi forms a peculiar financial inferiority complex in other countries.
      good
      1. alexbg2
        alexbg2 17 January 2014 16: 28
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN

        Russia through Sochi forms a peculiar financial inferiority complex in other countries.
        good

        Unfortunately, not a single resident of this other country wants to move to permanent residence with us, whom he envies. For some reason, they are more comfortable with their Alpine standard of living, many times higher, albeit from financial inferiority complexes, than the average Russian (not Muscovite).
    4. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 17 January 2014 09: 38
      +5
      I put a minus article! Because the author of the article about the Olympics at the beginning of the article, says that apart from the theft during the construction of Olympic facilities, and about how the European bureaucrats refuse to go to Sochi (because they are% gifts) - people don’t talk about anything else. But at the same time, the article brings me to this thought, and possibly other readers / members of the forum. So where is the logic ??? And again, Putin is to blame belay

      Hey, my dears, and you don’t think that we ourselves have built a corrupt state!?! We ourselves! And officials came out of the same people. I will give YOU ALL a personal example: here I am an ordinary resident of St. Petersburg, I work as a middle manager, and I have a product that I must sell in order to receive a salary and feed my family. But in order to sell it to me, its quality and good performance characteristics are not enough! IT IS NECESSARY TO BUY THE BUYER, AND THEN THESE RETURNS, TO FEED FOR THE TOTAL DURATION OF THE AGREEMENT. No, this does not mean my inefficiency! This says that we ourselves engender corruption by giving a bribe to a traffic cop, a doctor in a hospital, and bribing people and the same customers. And if you go back to the Sochi Olympics, I’ll tell you the following: the state spent a lot of money on it, part of it was stolen, but in order to carry it out, it was necessary to actually completely rebuild the whole city and bring up the infrastructure and only then start building Olympic facilities. Here!
      1. Krasnoarmeec
        Krasnoarmeec 17 January 2014 10: 21
        +3
        LaGlobal SU Today, 09:38 ↑
        Hey, my dears, and you don’t think that we ourselves have built a corrupt state!?! We ourselves! And officials came out of the same people. I will give YOU ALL a personal example


        It’s not regrettable to admit, but it’s a fact, I have about the same situation in the field of supply of spare parts for agricultural machinery, you can’t even imagine the scale of the disaster, from mechanics to engineers, posed directors, I generally keep quiet ... .
        The question is different, how to deal with it? If you just don’t give it, then a dilemma arises: how to work in the current realities ???
        1. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 17 January 2014 10: 53
          +1
          Quote: Krasnoarmeec
          The question is different, how to deal with it?


          Ha! And Putin is to blame, since it rains on the street =)
          (this is a banter on yesterday's topic "From Sochi to the Arctic, or How did Russia scare the American admiral?")
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    6. Mace
      Mace 17 January 2014 10: 09
      +6
      I'm going to the Olympics and waiting for this moment! All ranting about necessity and not necessity is for the flawed miserables who succumbed to Western propaganda.
      Soon, even a puppy near the fence will know what kind of competition will go on TV, and rush into them.
      All with the upcoming universal Olympics! (she doesn’t set foot, do not hesitate, the media will try)

      And the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympics will make the whole world think about the strength and spirituality of the Russian world.

      Glory to Russia, gentlemen!

      P.S. It is written in an emotional state, in anticipation of the holiday)
      1. Mace
        Mace 17 January 2014 16: 29
        +3
        here by the way and tickets are handsome
        Yes hello sport!
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/770/aazt983.jpg
  2. ZU-23
    ZU-23 17 January 2014 08: 12
    +5
    Some balabolas are around, and Kozak is so eager to thin out the right side, he directly asks for his scoreboard, at the expense of Bilalov, the kozak could report to Putin right away.
  3. demotivator
    demotivator 17 January 2014 08: 23
    +10
    But if we believe our Dmitry Kozak, deputy chairman of the Russian government, then nothing is stolen in Sochi ...

    Yeah! And the scoundrel of Akhmed Bilalov, who was dismissed by Putin for banal theft and failure to meet the deadlines for building facilities, there simply wasn’t any history of the Olympic construction, according to Kozak. And here are just some facts revealed by the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation during inspections of construction progress.
    "... A source in the Accounts Chamber (JV) disclosed to Izvestia the details of the proceedings - they were initiated as a result of recent inspections of this control department. According to him, the contractors inflated the estimated cost of construction in violation of government and presidential decrees. For decisions that entailed an increase in estimates, according to the auditors of the joint venture, the former and current top managers of the Olympstroy state corporation Taimuraz Bolloev, Sergey Gaplikov, Yuri Tyrtyshov, Leonid Monosov, Karen Mdivanyan and Alexander Gornostaev are responsible, continues the source ... "
    I simply typed in a search engine a query about theft at Olympic construction sites, and Yandex returned 358 responses. Read, do not reread.
    1. rereture
      rereture 17 January 2014 09: 51
      0
      Not everything that is written on the Internet is true.
      1. rereture
        rereture 17 January 2014 18: 38
        -1
        On the Internet, lies 99%
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 17 January 2014 09: 58
      +3
      Quote: demotivator
      And here are just some facts revealed by the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation during inspections of construction progress.
      "... A source in the Accounts Chamber (JV) disclosed to Izvestia the details of the proceedings - they were initiated as a result of recent inspections of this control department. According to him, the contractors inflated the estimated cost of construction in violation of government and presidential decrees. For decisions that entailed an increase in estimates, according to the auditors of the joint venture, the former and current top managers of the Olympstroy state corporation Taimuraz Bolloev, Sergey Gaplikov, Yuri Tyrtyshov, Leonid Monosov, Karen Mdivanyan and Alexander Gornostaev are responsible, continues the source ... "


      - But what did I write about in my post above ????? !!!!!
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    4. 31231
      31231 17 January 2014 22: 03
      +2
      http://izvestia.ru/news/532535
      And now we are reading the whole article. The article is already August 2012.
      Moreover, it is narrated in it, just the same for catching on the inflation of estimates and about the institution of criminal cases in many cases. I can’t understand, you don’t like that Putin came and after the capture began?

      And inappropriately out of context phrases. The article is more thoroughly and competently written.
  4. svskor80
    svskor80 17 January 2014 08: 24
    +5
    I never understood why people in their positions sometimes throw news at the level of "but I've heard." For this, it really is worth suing and demanding the most severe punishment for lying.
    1. Letun
      Letun 17 January 2014 08: 55
      +2
      They will not. What if it turns out that this is not a lie?
      1. avg
        avg 17 January 2014 11: 58
        0
        Quote: Letun
        They will not. What if it turns out that this is not a lie?

        The question is not stolen or not stolen. The question is, what kind of Casper is this all about. Here I am completely on the drum how much they spent on the F-22, or the carnival in Rio, or the International Toilet Summit in the same USA. And if they want to help so badly, it would be better if our thieves and the money stolen from us were returned, but not made prisoners of conscience out of a thief.
  5. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 17 January 2014 08: 24
    +4
    Yeah, the official figure of Kozak sounded 6,5 billion with reference to the Accounts Chamber and the Rosfinnad, in fact, more precisely, the figure is half the figure given by Casper ..
  6. demotivator
    demotivator 17 January 2014 08: 29
    +4
    The cost of the Sochi 2014 Olympics is a record in the history of the Olympic Games - this is a fact. You can even enter the book of records. The cost of the Sochi 2014 Olympics, according to estimates for 2013, exceeded the costs of all previous Olympics. The total costs for the Olympics exceeded the planned cost by 5 times and set an absolute Olympic "record". The cost of the examined 8 Olympic facilities increased on average over 2007-2012. 2,68 times. The scale of the withdrawal of insider rent can be estimated at about 30-60%, the average estimate for all 8 considered Olympic venues is 54,2%. The volume of cost overruns for 7 Olympic facilities is approximately $ 1,82 billion + $ 2,96 billion overruns along the highway from Adler to Krasnaya Polyana. The overall scale of corruption in the implementation of the Sochi-2014 project amounted to $ 27,6 billion. The main burden of theft of managers of different levels, as usual, fell on the citizens of Russia.
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    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 17 January 2014 13: 27
      +1
      that is, about $ 7 billion was spent on OI and $ 27,6 billion was stolen? Let's talk with you about it.

      And who stole from whom? The state has invested in OI about 30% of the total

      Stole from investors who invested 70%? And which of the investors will let you steal? No sat? Or are there all fools? Or are fools journalists?
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  7. demotivator
    demotivator 17 January 2014 08: 31
    +5
    Among the advantages of the program of the Winter Olympics in Sochi are the following:
    + increase the prestige of Russia,
    + increase of sports interest among the population, provision of sports facilities,
    + development of the infrastructure of the city of Sochi, its resort and tourist potential,
    + job creation.
    Among the shortcomings and main problems are noted:
    - The most serious problem is the demand for Olympic facilities after the Olympics. Considering the half-million population of Sochi and the seasonal and resort significance of the region, the risks of property repayment are high;
    - a significant problem in the quality of construction, the principal risk is that the main sports facilities are being built in the Imereti Lowland, i.e. essentially in a swamp, in a muddy floodplain
    - Sochi itself does not gain much from the rush of Olympic construction, which is mainly in the triangle Adler - Krasnaya Polyana - Imereti Lowland;
    - undeveloped infrastructure, poor ecology, dirty beaches and coastal waters will further contribute to a decrease in interest in Sochi after the Olympics, increasing the problem of lack of demand for facilities under construction;
    - environmental pollution. So, at the end of the summer of 2010, the Accounts Chamber presented a disappointing report, concluding that Sochi was turning into a giant dump.
    The results of some sociological studies show that not all Russians perceive the Winter Olympics in Sochi, for which fabulous funds are allocated, as the main project that meets the long-term interests of Russia. According to a survey conducted by the site superjob.ru on May 28-29, 2010, 52% of 1800 respondents chose from the proposed long-term projects the construction of a million kindergartens, 16% - the creation of a "Russian Harvard", 12% - the extension of the lease of the Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol. And only 7% chose the Sochi Olympics.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 17 January 2014 13: 31
      +10
      Tell us about the dirty beaches of Sochi. How they were not tidied up throughout the training at the Olympics. I have other information, but since you have already started, I'm waiting for details. Well, about a million kindergartens - in general, bullshit. SuperJob is such a SuperJob. And you also spread this nonsense.

      70% of the dough in the Olympics was invested by private investors. Tell these investors that they should invest instead of OI in the construction of a million (!) Kindergartens. Or about the Black Sea Fleet.

      I've always been shocked with human great stupidity
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  8. mountain
    mountain 17 January 2014 08: 39
    +10
    I don’t know how to whom, but to me on a drum, that from among foreigners it is clumsy. Everything that was built in my country is also for my citizens, to use all the benefits and buildings after the Olympics. And such a unique complex was supposed to appear in our country and I am glad. what he is now. And let everyone envy, not only the country is famous for its missiles and airplanes.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 17 January 2014 13: 56
      +5
      Quote: mountain
      I don’t know how to whom, but to me on a drum, that from among foreigners it is clumsy. Everything that was built in my country is also for my citizens, to use all the benefits and buildings after the Olympics. And such a unique complex was supposed to appear in our country and I am glad. what he is now. And let everyone envy, not only the country is famous for its missiles and airplanes.

      Cool wrote .. I join!
      1. mountain
        mountain 17 January 2014 19: 27
        +1
        repeat Hi Vitaliy. And on the copper, scolded me. Very nice thank you.
  9. demotivator
    demotivator 17 January 2014 08: 41
    +12
    In June 2010, a corruption scandal erupted in Moscow around preparations for the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi. A participant in the Moscow construction market, 56-year-old entrepreneur Valery Morozov, claimed that a high-ranking Kremlin official, deputy chief of the capital construction department of the Presidential Administration, Vladimir Leshchevsky, was extorted a bribe from him for receiving a contract.
    According to the businessman, initially in 2006 he officially received a state contract for the construction of a residential complex for 700 VIP rooms in the Imereti Lowland. However, Leshchevsky, who was in charge of this tender, after returning from vacation, summoned Morozov to himself and stated that 12% of its value should be paid for the contract. At the same time, according to the entrepreneur, the official made "concessions", agreeing to receive a "kickback" in installments.
    “From mid-2007 to June 2009, I paid him almost 20 times. Usually I transferred money in a small bag or in a small briefcase right in his office, located next to the Kremlin. A couple of times the transfer of money took place in a car. In general, I paid him about 180 million rubles (4 million pounds) "- says Valery Morozov.
    In August 2010, criminal proceedings were instituted against Vladimir Leshchevsky under item “g”, part 4 of article 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Receiving a bribe”), and the official was temporarily suspended from the performance of his duties. But Morozov’s company also started in trouble.
    1. oracul
      oracul 19 January 2014 09: 47
      -1
      And there was no need to pay, that’s the whole story. After all, the one who pays then hopes to recapture his. This is the first. Second, the family is not without a freak. The third one is completely surprising - after all, the Kremlin holds tenders exclusively for facilities that are in charge of the President’s business affairs. Something is wrong here. Most likely, the specified official was included in the tender organizers as a representative of the Presidential Administration, and Mr. Morozov was looking for an opportunity to bypass the construction right. So I found adventure on my ....
  10. jjj
    jjj 17 January 2014 08: 49
    +3
    The most suspicious, which is surprisingly harmonious, our pseudo-patriots and the Western liberal community sing about the high cost with the same words. True, the latter still offer to boycott games on homosexual inclinations
  11. Same lech
    Same lech 17 January 2014 09: 12
    +7
    We learn all the details of theft at the Sochi Olympic venues after the OLYMPIAD.

    Now, as I understand it from the article, a large-scale campaign has begun to discredit the OLYMPIAD itself in SOCHI - and this should be treated with Olympic calmness, because for this everything was started.

    Further, now we need to be more afraid of unknown terrorists who are single people - whose victims at the Olympics can be innocent people.

    There will also be provocations on the part of LGBT activists, so gentlemen and comrades, we keep our nerves for subsequent battles with numerous enemies of RUSSIA.
  12. pahom54
    pahom54 17 January 2014 09: 12
    +6
    It’s a pity that the Olympics held in Russia are again used as an instrument of various false-political pressure on Russia (remember the 1980s - the Olympics were also turned into a political instrument).
    And it's funny to listen to these two bullies. The first one, Casper, simply does not know the mentality of Russian officials (dancing is the way with the queen), which is why it speaks of a third of the money stolen ... I think that our bureaucrats from 3,14 have lived at least half.
    Well, Kozak - it’s his sacred business to have fun, so as not to undermine the image of the leadership.
    However, I can tell you my personal opinion: not to mention the cost overruns and the further use of the facilities of the Olympics, after all, the games held on the territory of Russia will bring additional advantages to its political (HERE !!! Again politics!) International image.
    Well, the fact that Russia will not "win back" this money is not news, the Moscow Olympics were also unprofitable (this is putting it mildly), and nothing terrible happened.
    And after all, Casper said well that the facilities in Sochi were prepared superclass!
    I just want to say one thing: in Russia they have been stealing from time immemorial, still Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great fought unsuccessfully with embezzlement (Peter's flat friend Aleksashka Menshikov was the most important state thief), so there is nothing surprising in stealing Olympic funds. It will also be during the construction of a base for the Black Sea Fleet or another major investment project. There is no difference for bureaucrats where to steal, and this question has always been a sore point for Russia, and the fight against this is like the struggle of Don Quixote with windmills. I repeat - it’s a pity that the Olympics become an instrument of dirty politicking and various insidious insinuations ...
    1. Pirr
      Pirr 17 January 2014 15: 12
      -3
      Quote: pahom54
      There is no difference for bureaucrats where to steal, and this question has always been a sore point for Russia, and the fight against this is like the struggle of Don Quixote with windmills.

      If only bureaucrats would steal! According to Russian media, theft pursues a citizen from birth (bribes in maternity hospitals) to the cemetery (cosmic bribes). I just thought, if this is second nature, then why fight it? After all, bribes and theft are inherent in everyone, i.e. this money "spins" from pocket to pocket. It's just that all able-bodied people have one more salary! Working for the general welfare! It is necessary to cover only the export of money abroad! And vice will turn into virtue! This is my personal opinion, not imposed on anyone.
      1. pahom54
        pahom54 17 January 2014 17: 15
        +3
        for pirr
        I would like to see what kind of a bribe (in your words, the second salary) you will receive while standing at the machine or working behind the control levers of a tractor (combine) on the field ...
  13. alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 17 January 2014 09: 15
    +7
    Another thing is why it was necessary in Sochi, where it was certainly from scratch ... But this is a philosophical question, the answer to which is not subject to the logic of a simple layman ...
    Everything is in order with logic - in Courchevel they didn’t allow us to have fun with the girls, we will make our own Courchevel no comments, here you have 50% private investment.
  14. La-5
    La-5 17 January 2014 09: 19
    +7
    The information war, however.
  15. Basileus
    Basileus 17 January 2014 09: 20
    +3
    I’ll say a phrase for this site. But yes, why fight corruption? We must be glad that a tidy sum was stolen from us, from each of us)
  16. pliev78
    pliev78 17 January 2014 09: 36
    +3
    For me, the Sochi Olympics is another reason for pride in Russia, and I will definitely go skiing there. The photos were very intriguing. We must stop seeing bad things in everything; this has a bad effect on the nervous system - especially mine.
  17. treskoed
    treskoed 17 January 2014 09: 43
    +5
    Head of Russian Railways OJSC Vladimir Yakunin also voiced his thoughts on the “calculations” of the Swiss representative of the IOC.

    As they say .... the hat is on ...
  18. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 09: 49
    +5
    As far as I remember, some of the objects are temporary and they will be dismantled and moved after the Olympics. But our athletes will finally have a world-class training base which they did not have and it would hardly have appeared without the Olympics. And listen to the magazine magazine from the rain do not respect yourself. And do not say that only everything was stolen from us. In the West they are doing the same thing, only for them it is all clothed in a pseudo-legal form, as their legislation is set up for this. They said that the toilet cubicle costs a lemon, so it is and no one peeps. If you dig thousands of such examples, only no one pays attention, as a rule, you’re used to it and you don’t get under the law.
  19. demotivator
    demotivator 17 January 2014 09: 49
    +6
    Quote: pliev78
    Sochi Olympics is another reason for me to be proud of Russia

    For me too. But only the unpleasant sediment remains from the fact that many of these Olympics deceived in the best expectations. Workers from Rostov, who were building an Olympic gas pipeline in the Khostinsky and Adler districts of Sochi, announced that they were not paid wages.
    The prosecutor's office and the police, where they turned, did not accept the application. Desperate workers from Rostov, who have no money to go home, were ready to block the federal highway Adler - Krasnaya Polyana.
    Having decided to join the Olympics, they planned to make good money. They were promised an average of 50 thousand rubles a month, food and accommodation. The first time they paid good business trips, the money at StroyCity ended when the time came to pay salaries.
    The Rostov workers worked overtime, built a gas pipeline in the villages of the Khostinsky and Adler raions, and they almost finished their work. According to builders, the total debt to their teams is 2,5 million rubles. They have not received money for two months.
    The police and the prosecutor’s office didn’t react at all to the workers ’appeals until the journalists intervened. The question arises - where did their money go? They, too, have not been stolen, according to Kozak?
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 17 January 2014 13: 07
      +2
      Quote: demotivator
      Workers from Rostov, who were building an Olympic gas pipeline in the Khostinsky and Adler districts of Sochi, announced that they were not paid wages.

      My son-in-law also went last year, they built a palace for curling. The same story. Two months of work, almost for thanks. Kozly at this Olympstroy.
      1. alone
        alone 18 January 2014 00: 01
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        .K. goats in this "Olympstroy".


        why compare scammers with a harmless creature?
    2. Fin
      Fin 17 January 2014 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      The question arises - where did their money go? They, too, have not been stolen, according to Kozak?

      Their money is appropriated or tried to appropriate, a very common scammer’s method of trusting people. A month has passed, there is no salary - they stopped work before payment. Do not pay - blocked the road. With scoundrels the only way.
  20. runway
    runway 17 January 2014 09: 53
    +2
    The President of the International Ski Federation is for you, the author, not some deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, but a very respected and responsible person. If he says that one third of the 50 billion dollars that we officially spent on the construction of Olympic facilities in Sochi were stolen (not us), then he will answer for his words. Do not doubt. We then guess that they stole much more than the third part ... but officially only this can be proved ....
    Now a few words about the evidence. The author proposes to throw, so to speak, the cards on the table - "play face up". But who cares? We have a defendant with sixty volumes of a criminal case walking around like a witness, well, almost like a victim ... (I'm talking about Serdyukov, who's already tired of everyone). Whom the president wanted to put on trifles is already in prison. So everything is tip-top and chiki-spades.
  21. poccinin
    poccinin 17 January 2014 10: 00
    -2
    what are you all about bad. BATTLED BETTER THAN DO IT. The country has received prestigious competitions. Why all countries are fighting for them. This is the country's prestige. Tourism development. Investors.
    1. Vladimir 23rus
      Vladimir 23rus 24 January 2014 00: 32
      0
      To hell with these prestigious competitions. You saw the roads in the Krasnodar Territory! Not those that lead to Sochi for $ 27 billion, but generally around the edge.
  22. ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 17 January 2014 10: 04
    +5
    Those who were not in Sochi and did not see with their own eyes the volume and grandeur of construction cannot talk about the figures in costs. Was in the fall in Sochi and Adler. Adler today and Adler 5 years ago, these are 2 different cities. From a provincial remote region of Sochi, it has turned into an ultramodern resort and sports cluster. One railway station is worth what, from a seedy pre-revolutionary building turned into the most modern and largest railway station in the country, and possibly in the world. I would like to ask all the prosraloschikov, what do we need to meet guests in a dilapidated train station? Construction costs always and everywhere exceed the estimated costs, and even more, the cost of construction increased significantly when increased requirements for structures for earthquake resistance. Who understands what it is, will understand how expensive it is.
    Of course, all this is expensive and the bulk of the money went not directly to sports facilities, but to the infrastructure of the city. But we now have a modern sports and resort cluster, where it is not a shame to receive guests.
  23. erased
    erased 17 January 2014 10: 37
    -3
    On the question of the crystal honesty of bureaucrats and businessmen, who didn’t encroach on a single penny from the money allocated to prepare for the Olympics.




    Of course, trust in such characters as Nemtsov and Latynina is very arbitrary. But these facts make you think. Why, with any action of power, with any, even a good idea, people suffer? Or is it supposed a priori?
    I’m unlikely to watch the Olympics, although I have always been a fan of ours. But now it’s just unpleasant, knowing how many ordinary people have suffered ...
    1. Mace
      Mace 17 January 2014 12: 24
      +4
      ... that’s how people are bred, who then raise the forks and go to the Kremlin. How can I post this nonsense? No facts can be perceived from the lips of Nemtsov and Latynina! These are false facts, presented in the right way.
      Do not be stupid and do not engage in Western propaganda.
    2. Slavapom
      Slavapom 17 January 2014 12: 41
      +5
      commercials about nothing, a head-on analysis of the situation based on 3 interviews in one and an unproven stream of consciousness / more precisely verbal diarrhea / Latynina in another. we Russian people, for the most part sane, perfectly understand that the dough was cut at the Olympic construction sites, no one has discovered anything new on us here, but there are BUT. the Olympics will take place, passions will subside, and all that was built stadiums, ski slopes, ski resorts, the airport and railway. station in Adler, roads and much more will remain, and I hope it will be profitable.
    3. Fin
      Fin 17 January 2014 15: 22
      +4
      Quote: erased
      I’m unlikely to watch the Olympics, although I have always been a fan of ours. But now it’s just unpleasant, knowing how many ordinary people have suffered ...

      If you do not like sports, then you will not watch it in any situation, even if all ordinary people were happy. Therefore, it is not necessary to bring the political base under this business.
      Besides, it is not clear for what "ours"?
    4. Slevinst
      Slevinst 27 January 2014 10: 28
      0
      I didn’t even look, a friend works in Russian Railways, 3 people come to resettle, it’s prescribed for everyone in the apartment, the building for demolition everyone agrees, everyone is happy, they prepared the documents again, 12 people already come in and it’s registered for everyone, roughly speaking, if they offended anyone, it’s only those who illegally appropriated land for themselves and there were not a few
  24. Andrey Borodin
    Andrey Borodin 17 January 2014 10: 51
    +5
    He worked on the construction site about the "b" acts of the Olympics. All the dark sides that the media indicate, and popular rumors were.
  25. Egen
    Egen 17 January 2014 10: 55
    +4
    My boss is going to the Olympics. Despite his salary, he was able to "pull" only some important competitions, however, they are also the most expensive :)

    "It took not $ 50 billion to prepare for the Olympics, but only 214 billion rubles (about $ 6,5 billion), and that of these funds 115 billion rubles were private investments."
    The truth is clear somewhere ... nearby :)
    They steal _ usually_ other people's money. Considering that many companies built at their own expense at the direction of the state (oil and gas companies gutted :(, 50 is not 50, but certainly not 6 billion), it is unlikely that they would steal their own budgets centrally. At lower levels, of course, in no way :( but the scope is still not the same. As we find out what and for whose (budget, private) funds were built, it will be possible to figure out :)
  26. calocha
    calocha 17 January 2014 11: 10
    0
    Theft - there was a bunch of videos where workers tell how the employer treated them .. Maybe the scale is wrong, maybe a lot less was stolen. Bilalov wouldn’t overestimate the price many times. Many people steal and the law allows, the business also paid off with a fine.) Thanks to Anatoly Dmitrievich for the fact that he is vigilizing for the country!
  27. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 17 January 2014 11: 24
    +2
    Quite correctly, the survey figures cited — if they had done as the majority wants, they would have solved the problem of kindergartens for the money! Whose children go to kindergartens (or do not go - because they are not) - they will understand me. And this - it would be much more correct - must be invested in the future. At the same time, the impact on the economy would be MUCH more - count how much the country costs millions of young mothers who sit with children because there are no places in kindergartens.
    Moreover, a rating of the government and the president would most likely be about 90%.
    To me personally, the solution to the problem of kindergartens is much more important than the international prestige of the country. By the way - in solving the problem of kindergartens, the image at the international level would rise even higher.
    And yet - there would be no headache in catching terrorists at Olympic venues.
    The USSR used to be jammed in an arms race, and now it is bred on mega-projects of international level - from which life in the country will not improve as much as the money will be spent.
    And yet - to steal at the construction site of thousands of kindergartens made according to standard projects DIFFICULTLY DIFFICULT than on the construction of unique objects.
    Verdict - power screwed up.
    1. godun
      godun 17 January 2014 15: 51
      -1
      I agree to all 100 ... Today, the media announced the total cost of conducting the JI, within 1.5 trillion rubles. You can now dream about what kind of social problems could be solved, here are kindergartens and medical equipment. equipment of rural hospitals, or the construction of social housing for young families, and many others. The belief is created that the OI fused Russia, God be with you, that we are worthless, because in the current economic situation in the world, few countries can afford such a luxury as OI. And gentlemen, hurray patriots, guess from three times who gets the money out of their pockets to patch up the hole in the budget that was formed thanks to the OI. In general, what for a goat button accordion, if she has, the refrigerator is broken.
    2. fedorru
      fedorru 19 January 2014 14: 39
      -2
      Kindergartens are already being built.
  28. siberalt
    siberalt 17 January 2014 11: 26
    +2
    Well, of course, where Kozak theft cannot be by definition. As, they say, whose cow would bellow. As it was already stated by the GDP that only at one object the estimated cost increased 8 times from the calculated one. As for "luxury and bells and whistles," the bar is really raised to such an extent that not every country hosting the Olympic Games can even come close to it. And this is no longer a sport, but a pure business. And how many were plundered in fact, we will never know, although the jambs will begin to crawl out in the spring.
  29. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 January 2014 11: 34
    +3
    Well, the fact that they steal is understandable, in principle they stole, they steal and will steal, personally, I am absolutely indifferent to the Olympics, to all this show, but again show in Russia has a long history, it was arranged both in front of the tsars and in front of the general secretaries, Yeltsin boozed, he didn’t care, but what a show before Putin’s arrival in the city doesn’t even need to say, but since I’m not indifferent to football, and at the construction of football facilities they will again steal and show off, I’ll put up with it for a while now. it is necessary to drive the entire government headed by the president and the prime minister to some stadium, to drive the state Duma there and let the Cyclone-B go, that's what I mean about the attitude to the current "government". But if with the "black sheep" - that is. power can get at least a shred of wool, ie. Olympics, then why not.
  30. alexbg2
    alexbg2 17 January 2014 11: 42
    +3
    ... the other day, a Russian government official, saying that it didn’t take at all $ 50 billion to prepare for the Olympics, but only 214 billion rubles (about $ 6,5 billion) ...

    Read the text carefully, Kozak clearly says that the preparation of the Olympics did not take at all $ 50 billion, but only $ 6,5 billion. He clearly allocated spent on the preparation of the Olympics, and not all allocated for the preparation of the Olympics, but these are different things. The rest of these 50 billion were not spent on preparation, but on all these corruption components, kickbacks, etc.
    So according to Kozak, Casper is clearly wrong with his 30%, there are much more of them. And he is right!
    And Kozak’s words that nothing was stolen is also absolutely true when it was corrupt money that we stole.
    Theft is a stolen bag of cement and no more than that. And this probably was not recorded.
    1. Mace
      Mace 17 January 2014 12: 02
      -3
      another whistleblower. You should go, but show how to steal is not worth it.
      1. Krasnoarmeec
        Krasnoarmeec 17 January 2014 14: 22
        0
        "Captain obvious"!!! Who will punish and how?
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  32. alexbg2
    alexbg2 17 January 2014 12: 41
    +7
    Quote: Mace
    another whistleblower. You should go, but show how to steal is not worth it.

    I am a pensioner, unlike you, as I understand it, an "effective manager". And he served and worked in the defense sector without theft, the state "adequately repaid and pays me for this"
    I can’t go to the Olympics, although I live in the Krasnodar Territory. I can’t even relax in Sochi.
    In Turkey I can, enough money, but not enough for Sochi. Something like this. And what for do I need this Olympics?
    I would live in Sochi, maybe I would need it, though I would use the roads, but I live like the rest 140 million not there, but here.
    1. Krasnoarmeec
      Krasnoarmeec 17 January 2014 15: 07
      -1
      alexbg2 RU Today, 12:41
      I am a pensioner, unlike you, as I understand it, an "effective manager".


      Good day! hi Well, it’s impossible so categorically, by the way, I’m from Rostov and I also can’t afford a lot on the Black Sea coast, but still, let’s at least for a minute try to sweep away all the negativity that has been pretty much poured on games lately, and we’ll just root for our teams, after all, no matter how it is, the first winter Olympic games in our country, and the amount of work carried out is colossal (we will not mention the cut) and if we (I mean sane people, you’re tobbling members of the forum) we will boycott it and identify everything on a personal everyday level ......... in general it’s wrong !!!
      Likewise, I don't fuck *** *** a bridge to the Russky Island in Vladivostok and a bunch of grandiose buildings in our country, because I still don't get to work faster ....... (Sorry for the sarcasm)
    2. Fin
      Fin 17 January 2014 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: alexbg2
      In Turkey I can, enough money, but not enough for Sochi. Something like this. And what for do I need this Olympics?
      I would live in Sochi, maybe I would need it, though I would use the roads, but I live like the rest 140 million not there, but here.

      Haven't you noticed that somehow everywhere you have the words "I" and "ME"? What is it for?
    3. Mace
      Mace 17 January 2014 16: 26
      +2
      alexbg2, I understand you. I respect people with such a working past.
      But here, talk about the high cost is not worth it.
      I personally bought tickets for the Olympics, accommodation and travel.
      Tickets for the Olympics cost from 500 rubles. Even now on sale there are tickets worth 1000 rubles. If you think this is expensive, then I’m sorry I disagree with it.
      Accommodation.
      Accommodation is also not expensive, the cabin in the cruise ship costs 1800 rubles with breakfast FOR TWO (!). Those. 900 rubles per person with breakfast, is that expensive?
      The ticket for the Moscow-Sochi-Moscow plane is only 5000 rubles!
      This is not a fairy tale, this is reality, go to the Aeroflot website, the official website of SOCHI 2014, there is all the information.
      And even more so, I don’t understand why you can’t visit the Olympics while living in the Krasnodar Territory? I suppose that it is not your capabilities at all, but your desires.
      In fact, that's all. Once again I see the distortion of the situation by people who denigrate or misinform reality. And I wonder if people are deliberately looking for problems, that life was "more fun".
  33. Pirr
    Pirr 17 January 2014 15: 28
    +4
    50 billion dollars spent in Sochi, this is the most expensive Olympics in the world. Even the Beijing Olympics, we note, the summer, was cheaper than the Sochi. Let me remind you that there is the famous Belalovsky mountain complex - its cost has grown 7 times. So, other structures have grown 3-4 times (cost). Moreover, not everyone has grown in value so many times. If the constructions were built by really private people without loans ... For example, the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company built a small ice arena. Now, she cost her how much, she cost her so much. Here, for some reason, only those structures that were built at least indirectly with state money became more expensive. Those. somehow I don’t believe Mr. Kozak. No way.
    1. godun
      godun 17 January 2014 16: 23
      +3
      Mr. Kozak meant that during the construction of the Olympic venues, IT was PERSONAL, nothing was stolen ...
  34. Stinger
    Stinger 17 January 2014 15: 59
    +2
    Better to steal at a construction site than to steal just like that, at "privatization". That is built for the good. Or do we only love to destroy? And screams are always there and will be in any scenario. they also found me an authority - "Rain". One in the brothel said: Before opening my eyes, I tried to imagine the one who was sniffing next to me.
    Reality has covered every nightmare!
  35. alexbg2
    alexbg2 17 January 2014 16: 09
    +5
    Quote: Fin
    Haven't you noticed that somehow everywhere you have the words "I" and "ME"? What is it for?

    And because ME is the road along MY street, along which it will not be necessary to get knee-deep in mud, it is more important than some regular yacht 150 meters from the next oligarch after the Olympics, or the next Courchevel.
    And I perfectly understand that this road will not be another 50 years old, just because the money from MY road, from MY pension, was taken to this Olympics, to the 2018 World Cup, to Skolkovo, to Rusnano, etc. .
    And this Olympics has nothing to do with either the development of sports, or pride in our athlete, I can be proud of their victories even when they win not in Sochi.
    1. Krasnoarmeec
      Krasnoarmeec 17 January 2014 16: 30
      0
      alexbg2 RU
      And because ME is the road along MY street, along which you won’t have to go knee-deep in the mud, it’s more important than any regular yacht 150 meters from the next oligarch after the Olympics


      Your lack of a normal road is connected neither with the Olympics, nor with the World Cup, and even more so with Skolkovo, if it wasn’t before the Olympics then it won’t appear after that, I doubt that if there weren’t the Olympics then there would be money would be sent to the social sector ......

      And between our neighbors, neither you Kuban can complain about the bad roads, Rostov will safely give you a head start laughing (black humor) but in general, of course, the impudence of officials, and impunity and irresponsibility, and indeed a disregarding attitude, were boring. Bitch *** and
    2. Mace
      Mace 17 January 2014 16: 48
      +1
      alexbg2, you are a strange comrade.
      You do not even have an idea how the topic of sport is now raised in kindergartens, schools and others. Children, educated, teachers MASSOVO do different sports and creative events dedicated to the Olympics. And this is only a small part of what is happening.
      If you don’t know, then I’ll say that throughout the whole country, in every region, A LOT of sports facilities are being built, but there are no domestic ones, but indoor rinks, pools, wrestling centers, weightlifting, stadiums and much more.
      Why do not you know about this, but do you know about some cuts? Strange, huh?

      By the way, by the way, I’ll say that it’s time to stop thinking that you and someone else should have power. She owes you nothing. It will only be necessary when the people finally begin to MEET their requests for power. So far, the people (its displeased part) are only mumbling, but they will not hit a finger with a finger for the common good.
      1. alexbg2
        alexbg2 17 January 2014 17: 49
        +3
        Quote: Mace
        alexbg2, you are a strange comrade.
        You do not even have an idea how the topic of sport is now raised in kindergartens, schools and others. Children, educated, teachers MASSOVO do different sports and creative events dedicated to the Olympics. And this is only a small part of what is happening.
        If you don’t know, then I’ll say that throughout the whole country, in every region, A LOT of sports facilities are being built, but there are no domestic ones, but indoor rinks, pools, wrestling centers, weightlifting, stadiums and much more.
        Why do not you know about this, but do you know about some cuts? Strange, huh?

        But this is pure la la. I am in the know about mass sports.
        Both of my children graduated from the Krasnodar Institute of Physical Education (now the Kuban Academy). Her son is a judo trainer by profession (now she is engaged in repairs), her daughter also trained young judokas (now on a maternity leave), she is a master of sports, two-time Russian championship winner.
        Quote: Mace
        ... By the way, by the way, I’ll say that it’s time to stop thinking that the government owes you something and someone else. She owes you nothing ...

        If the authorities take taxes from me and someone else, then it MUST spend as it is for us, and not for her.
        Quote: Mace
        ... It should only be when the people finally begin to MEET their requests for power ...

        If the people don’t correspond to it, let it get out of THIS PEOPLE, and the people will somehow decide on the power that will correspond to the people, and not vice versa.
        1. Fin
          Fin 17 January 2014 20: 45
          -2
          Quote: alexbg2
          If the authorities take taxes from me and someone else, then it MUST spend as it is for us, and not for her.

          For example, I would like to know in which country this is done. How do you imagine that? The draft budget for public discussion? Give suggestions, otherwise "everything is wrong" - a lot of people cry, and know how to do it right.
          And because ME is the road along MY street, along which it will not be necessary to get knee-deep in mud, it is more important than some regular yacht 150 meters from the next oligarch after the Olympics, or the next Courchevel.

          When building schools and d / s too piz..t, so let's not build them. Imagine, but I don’t have gas that goes through pipes, it is imported and expensive, and so on throughout the North. At the same time, no one connects this with the Olympics and the 2018 World Cup. And we do not cry !!!
          And this Olympics has nothing to do with either the development of sports, or pride in our athlete, I can be proud of their victories even when they win not in Sochi.

          And what does it have to do with? So you won't be proud of your victory in Sochi? Draw the poster "I don't need your victories, lead the way to my house!" and forward to the opening of the OI. Just don’t say that it’s very expensive, they’ve described everything above for you on this issue.
          In general, it has long been noticed that the better you live, the more you cry, what is missing and you envy your neighbor.
    3. Slavapom
      Slavapom 17 January 2014 20: 23
      +1
      Strange, but on my street for the last YEAR, I carried out the sewage system and laid the asphalt, even despite the Olympic construction site !!! Maybe the fact is that you, specifically you, are not persistent enough in front of the city, district, etc. by the administration on the same road?
  36. godun
    godun 17 January 2014 16: 34
    +2
    Summing up the opinions expressed, we can conclude that it is not the OIs in Russia that cause dissatisfaction with people, but HOW IT DOES ... And I personally don’t really like this whole idea, but in spite of everything, I will be very happy to get sick for our guys.
    1. Mace
      Mace 17 January 2014 17: 08
      -1
      That is just the point. You need to enjoy. And then use what has been done. Stop looking for negative in yourself (country)
  37. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 17 January 2014 17: 22
    -1
    <<< In fact, our liberal “colleagues” tore out from his speech only those words that are perfect “for exposing the regime.” >>>
    It is a favorite pastime of our liberal mass media to extract exclusively excrement from interviews and other materials published in the Western mass media regarding Russia and to anoint them with our power, people, Russia, creating the idea that there are NO other opinions about Russia in other countries!
  38. Boris63
    Boris63 17 January 2014 21: 50
    0
    They steal everywhere and not only from us, corruption is the same, plus they also have an official lobby. Construction in the regions, seek from your officials and deputies. They told his deputy (Milonov) and he made sports grounds (there are roads in St. Petersburg), they even rolled up one with asphalt (again asked) for the rollers.
    The IOC periodically checks the construction and, if we say this: they have information (documents), we ask for favors. If not, then there is nothing to talk about.
    I will watch the Olympics and cheer for our athletes.
  39. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 17 January 2014 22: 35
    -1
    In order to create something similar in the Alps, we needed 150 years, and the Russians did it in five years! If you see it all with your own eyes, then you will be shocked! I have no doubt that the games will be wonderful on the most modern sports fields that you imagine. My expectations are good.

    No comment.
  40. AVV
    AVV 17 January 2014 23: 45
    -1
    Quote: Bongo
    But if we believe our Dmitry Kozak, deputy chairman of the Russian government, then nothing is stolen in Sochi ...

    From one extreme to another.

    The closer the Olympics, the more there will be more stuffing, and there will always be those who are dissatisfied both in the West and among us, in order to discredit this event !!!
  41. Glagol
    Glagol 17 January 2014 23: 55
    +2
    Of course, stolen billions are a pity - half the country is in poverty. But the truth is
    The infrastructure is created and it is for a long time. But what irrevocably sunk into
    Summer is the mountain climatic resort of Krasnaya Polyana. Mzymta River
    Turned into a gutter, disturbed water balance of the river, all died
    The fish, the bird went, and the landscape was disfigured by the Bilalovo village of Gorki Gorod.
    Misery that the world has not yet seen, but will soon see. And the cottages of Krasnodar
    Thieves officials in the mountains, with hundreds of cut down relic reserves
    Trees, devastated apiaries, and so on without end. You should see these arrogant faces,
    All from one test are fashioned. And what is shameful, bilalov among them
    Full of us Russians ...
  42. Rubon
    Rubon 18 January 2014 02: 20
    -3
    All this hysteria from Sochi in the Western media is very reminiscent of the tantrum from Russia's success when Catherine was in the Crimea ..... can you find a coincidence?
  43. vanaheym
    vanaheym 20 January 2014 05: 56
    +1
    If at least 50% in Sochi is done as at our Euro 2012, then everything that can be stolen is stolen, everything that can be cut is sawn, and everything else is torn off.