20 years of strategic partnership between Beijing and Kiev. The role of Ukraine in the military modernization of China

2013 year is the year of the 20 anniversary since the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and Ukraine, which gained independence, relations between the two countries immediately reached the level of strategic partnership, mil.news.sina.com writes today.

China is the largest consumer of Ukrainian military-technical products. Beijing is interested in about 30 areas of cooperation in this area, including aircraft carriers, large transport aircraft, supersonic jet trainers, tanksair-to-air and air-to-ground missiles.

After the collapse of the USSR, many military specialists and first-class engineers, being “in conditions of extreme poverty”, began to look for work abroad. Some of them went to the USA, Germany, Israel, Korea, Singapore, a large number arrived in China.

In this area, China used its connections that originated during the reign of the “old Bolshevik” Joseph Stalin. At that time, many Chinese military experts traveled by rail to the centers of the Soviet defense industry through Manchuria, Siberia, and traveled to Moscow and Kiev. The then level of technical cooperation was relatively low due to the backwardness of Chinese industry. But after the collapse of the USSR, China began to supply products of light industry to the CIS countries, which was exchanged for modern types of industrial equipment.

In order to attract former Soviet military specialists and engineers to cooperation, China adopted a corresponding program. Chinese Premier Li Peng, who oversaw this area, said: "China has a unique chance to attract poor but talented specialists to work; this opportunity should not be missed."

To stimulate the influx of specialists, the State Council of China established the “Friendship Award”, which began to honor the most talented foreign professionals working in Chinese industry. In addition, relevant provincial awards have been instituted. Over the 10 years, thousands of specialists have been attracted to the Chinese public and private industrial sector and more than 2000 military and dual-use technology projects have been implemented. This program works even now, for example, in 2006, the first secretary of the Chinese Embassy in Ukraine, Li Qian, sent out invitations to go to China for more than 2000 to Ukrainian specialists in the field of IT technologies.

Without cooperation with Ukraine, it would be difficult to commission the aircraft carrier Liaonin (ex- "Varyag"), to succeed in the development of new warships, tanks, aircraft, especially aircraft engines. Liaonin is equipped with Ukrainian gas turbines UGT-25000, or DN / YES-80 (according to media reports, the power of this three-shaft GTE of the fourth generation is 25 MW, 120 resource thousand hours - approx. "VP"). According to the Chinese Defense Review, in the 1990s, China received these turbines without technology. In the 21st century, due to the economic crisis, Ukraine finally agreed to transfer all the technologies associated with these CCDs. Ukraine also provided serious assistance to the construction of the Chinese "AEGIS system" destroyers.

Ukraine supplies the 6TD-2E engines for the Pakistani Khalid main battle tanks, the AI-15 TRDFs are used in the new Chinese training jet aircraft L-222, in addition, Ukrainian engines are widely installed on Chinese helicopters of various types. There are all prerequisites for the further development of mutually beneficial cooperation.

Comments

[makarov]

Yes, what the hell is the partnership ??? squandered everything that remains from the time of the USSR !!! stuffing your own pockets above all.

[Kars]

Quote: makarov

squandered everything that remains from the time of the USSR !!!

Of course, you could just cut the remaining plants in 90-2000 and the whole business.

[domokl]

And in my opinion Makarov is right ... At the moment, Ukrainian specialists are really needed in China .. And what will happen in 10 years? What will the defense industry of Ukraine be left with?

[Kars]

Quote: domokl

And in my opinion Makarov is right ..

Makarov is completely wrong.

Quote: domokl

At the moment, Ukrainian specialists are really needed in China.

Well, at least someone needs it. At the same time, no one bothers the same RF to use them.

Quote: domokl

And what will happen in 10 years?

About the same thing.

Quote: domokl

What will the defense industry of Ukraine remain with?

with the same thing as the global defense industry complex. They will be able to produce competitive products, they will work, they will not be re-profiled, or they will be closed like English military shipyards.

1990's China received these turbines without technology. In the XXI century, in connection with the economic crisis, Ukraine finally agreed to transfer all the technologies associated with these gas turbine engines.

Something about this was not reported.
http://kotobood.livejournal.com/1684465.html#cutid1
so, most likely, Ukraine will build engines for the new aircraft carriers in China.

[AVV]

Yes, the Chinese do not need plants, but brains and technology !!! Like the Japanese at one time !!!

[APASUS]

Quote: Kars

Of course, you could just cut the remaining plants in 90-2000 and the whole business.

I think that there’s still time to cut. Moreover, Ukraine can’t offer anything substantial to China. China has bought everything. It remains to look for other partners, which is not easy at the moment. It’s true that you can cooperate with Russia or Europe, but there will be no problems less.

[Kars]

Quote: APASUS

I think there’s still time to cut.

Cutting is never too late.

Quote: APASUS

.Moreover, Ukraine cannot offer anything substantial to China. China bought everything

Then what are some people worried about. And despite the fact that I bought everything, it continues to buy finished products for more than a year.

Quote: APASUS

True, you can cooperate with Russia or Europe, but here there will be no less problems

Here, unfortunately, there are even more problems. And there is no particular sense of co-operation. The Russian Federation is still building replacement facilities, but Europe just doesn’t need anything special.

[chunga-changa]

Why squandering. Judging by the article, people are paid, they work by profession, they see a future. Products are produced in Ukraine, people are also paid, factories work. Here’s to pocher everything, and developers on the markets to sell Chinese trinkets, to squander it. Well, and into whose pockets it goes, so capitalism has been successfully built outside the window, in what pocket do you think everything should go under capitalism, unlike socialism.

[bif]

Quote: makarov

Yes, what the hell is the partnership ??? squandered everything that remains from the time of the USSR !!! stuffing your own pockets above all.

I agree, if you do not count the employment of a couple of hundreds of high-class specialists from the former Union who, by the will of fate, turned out to be residents of today's Ukraine, then the whole point of partnership with China is the sale of the USSR’s heritage, it is worth noting the illegal sale of technologies and SAMPLES of military equipment, for example, Su-33 and hovercraft. In fact, they illegally sold equipment for a penny, shoved it in their pockets and saved China billions and tons of time, and for the Russian Federation, they caused economic and intellectual damage. And after that they wondered why gas was so expensive for them ... To make our Ukrainian friends more intelligible, your actions are equivalent if the Russian Federation sold, say to Germany, the gas transportation system built by the USSR on the territory of present-day Ukraine, a partnership, you know!

[Christian]

Arming a potential adversary, what "mutual benefit" can we talk about !?

[nickname 1 and 2]

but how to understand whom? maybe the enemy or maybe ....? After all, if the United States attacks, then who can help? Yes, the same China. Than? Yes, the same weapons once bought from Ukraine.

Everything is very ambiguous.

And a weak Ukraine who warns against imprudent steps?

[Kars]

Quote: Christian

Arming a potential adversary

China is a likely opponent of Ukraine? The first time I hear.

[dm98]

Quote: Kars

China is a likely opponent of Ukraine? The first time I hear.

here ... that's the point! therefore, they sell everything to the Chinese without regard, including even what in fact belongs to Russia!
It is interesting how Ukraine would react if Russia would arm .... for example, Turks or Romanians ?? !! probably again the jet of feces on the damned mos..ey would pour. It is clear that this is not possible, because these are NATO countries.

PS: Remember Georgia)))) .... The Ukrainians not only that the beeches sold them Ducs and shot them at us!
In short poher Ukrainians on us! and it’s strange for us not to poher Ukrainians. such a pun!
you probably need to score on them and kick them into the European Union, so to speak for prevention, and while the word "mos-l" is not forgotten, let them freeze in Europe!

[Kars]

Quote: dm98

, including even the fact that in fact belongs to Russia!

To court.

Quote: dm98

It is interesting how Ukraine would react if Russia would arm .... for example, Turks or Romanians ??

Well, for the inter, the mentioned countries are NATO members and this is not very Russian itself. And in fact the Russian Federation sold C-300 to China and that will now supply them to Turkey and it seems that no problems are visible.

Quote: dm98

PS: Remember Georgia)))) .... The Ukrainians not only that the beeches sold them Ducs and shot them at us!

for the sake of interest, is it proven? Georgia was not under an embargo. Yes, and air defense systems are not offensive weapons.

Quote: dm98

In short poher Ukrainians on us! and it’s strange for us not to poher Ukrainians. such a pun

Why did you get that pun? It’s just the same for you, you are just tormented by ambitions that they will do something without you.

[domokl]

Quote: Christian

Arming a potential adversary, what "mutual benefit" can we talk about !?

In this question, Ukraine lives by the principle-The problems of the Indians (read Russia) of the sheriff (Ukraine) are not f..foo, they don’t ...

[kelevra]

What role can Ukraine play in modernizing the troops of China. Elementary, compare the economy and opportunities! Why should China at all with the help of someone modernize its forces, they just need the technology of other countries!

[domokl]

That's just the point ... The Chinese are well aware that no matter how much the little rope doesn’t curl, it will not matter what, but it will. Ukraine will want to produce something. And what? Technologies are sold, eggheads are no longer called Petro Yaroshenko, and Pet Yar Ko ...
In fact, in the place of the Chinese, I would now buy up land ... So far everything is possible. OPK, land and everything ... The rest will be crushed by economic power ... There will be the UPR as part of the PRC ...

[Slobozhanin]

Quote: kelevra

What role can Ukraine play in modernizing the troops of China. Elementary, compare the economy and opportunities! Why should China at all with the help of someone modernize its forces, they just need the technology of other countries!

And who would refuse technologies that you do not own? Yes, and at a normal price ...

[dm98]

Quote: Slobozhanin

Yes, and at a normal price ...

those are practically for nothing)))) all the more so since Ukraine itself doesn’t need these technologies anymore, they themselves are no longer able to master them! Yes, and some of these technologies are not Ukrainian at all but Russian .... how can one not spoil his brother’s slippers ......

[AVV]

You can sell everything, but not the Motherland !!! But someone thinks differently. Selling China everything in a row !!!

[individual]

Our politicians talk about brain drain.
The example of China shows how they attract specialists from the former USSR, and not from Dushanbe and Tashkent to sweep the streets and not to the mythical Chinese Skolkovo and Nanochubays, but to real applied science and technical production.
This is the difference between D. Medvedev and Lee Pan.
The difference in the past and present development of Russia and China.

[mountain]

Wildness, but what else can you say.

[moremansf]

The Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps of the Chinese Army, the Chinese state corporation Xinjiang Production and Construction, acquires almost 3 million hectares of land in Ukraine. The first Chinese farms will appear in the Dnipropetrovsk region, then in the Kherson region and in the Crimea. The tenants are planning to build several irrigation systems and water the occupied territories. The initial investment is estimated at $ 2,6 billion. Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, also known as Bingtuan, is a paramilitary organization established in Xinjiang in the 1950s, whose efforts were aimed at strengthening the defense, similar to our Defense Service. How can you not remember the words: - "Who does not want to feed his army, will feed someone else's!"

[LINX]

On the lease of land lies.

They signed an agreement on the restoration of irrigation systems in the south of Ukraine, as well as on the construction of a new deep-water port in the Crimea, discussing the issue of financing the construction of social housing, a ring around Kiev and some other projects. Workers, materials and parts of equipment are Ukrainian. We also agreed on the supply of barley, corn and oil to China.
China is now the main investor in the real sector of the Ukrainian economy.

What confuses this? active business relationships. And forget about the Chinese farms.

[moremansf]

A characteristic feature of these areas of bilateral military-technical cooperation is that they in one way or another offend Russia's interests. Kiev, as you know, repeatedly heard claims from representatives of the Russian side both regarding squandering of joint technologies (as a rule, developed under the conditions of cooperation in Soviet times), and regarding a direct violation of the copyright of Russian designers. However, Ukraine was never in a hurry to answer these allegations, continuing to implement its short-sighted policy.
Of particular interest to the Chinese in the missile industry, which China is developing intensively today, is also facing serious problems. We are talking about the widest range of such products - aircraft missiles of various types, missile systems and air defense systems, anti-tank guided missiles. Such weapons are either produced by the Ukrainian defense industry complex, or else by Soviet (Russian) development and production and are in service with the Ukrainian army. Obtaining data on these products is a dream for Beijing.

[GastaClaus69]

The one who pays the young lady and dances.
Ukrainian military-industrial complex survives exclusively by export. Accordingly, everything that was submitted to China would be sold in any case. And it doesn’t matter whether it is China or Honduras.
This is not a far-sighted policy for Russia since it allows technology to merge its potential adversary.

[LINX]

Quote: moremansf

A characteristic feature of these areas of bilateral military-technical cooperation is that they in one way or another offend Russia's interests.

And you, as I understand it, think that Ukraine should keep everything forever and take it to the grave with it, since it hurts the interests of the Russian Federation. Copyright for the Soviet inheritance comes from the evil one, NO ONE has it. All that Ukraine has at its disposal, it has the right to freely dispose.
They made bison for China - they earned 400 million dollars. - support of factories, work for people, taxes, etc., will also receive money from licensing and components. And based on your considerations, all this had to be hidden, classified because someone might not like it. At the same time, the Russian Federation itself does not hesitate to trade in anything.

[Cristall]

you can not sell and die, but maybe (I emphasize) you will not harm Russia (according to some) ... as I understand the meaning of some comments.
In any case
Ukraine sells to China (list of countries) - this is a dirty trick of Russia, in spite
Russia sells - everything is right

[alone]

An interesting article. Such a feeling that the author is trying to all of us to show the image of Ukraine, which helps China rearm.

I would like to ask that China has got the S-300, su-27, s-30, tornadoes is Ukraine also to blame for this?
I'm not talking about those engines for heavy fighters that are sold to China.

[haron]

Do not you gentlemen think that such articles and discussions are heating up the already not warm relations between the two VERY close countries and peoples.
Maybe someone writes an article on the sale of military technology by Belarus, Kazakhstan or some of the former brothers - it would be very interesting to read, not to mention the sale of technology by Russia.
At the same time, I would like to note that the technological universities, on the basis of which the "brains" were learned, were on the territories of many republics, and all nationalities studied there, and this is not the merit of Russia, but the government of the USSR, starting with Stalin (Georgian) In the blood of 50% of the inhabitants of the former USSR, all the blood of its own nationalities is mixed.
Russia took upon itself the debts of the USSR, which prevented Russia from attracting these brains (read the article on the same page of VO).
So why fear to declare as traitors those who were betrayed by both their own and "neighbors"?

[komel]

China buys all over the world and cooperates with those who benefit from it. As the Americans would say, "business is nothing personal." China's pragmatic policy is bearing fruit.

Do the Chinese even have icebreakers? Vaughn, they say, in the media it is reported that in Antarctica, the Russian ship "Akademik Shokalsky" in distress is being rescued by the Chinese icebreaker "Snow Dragon". In China itself, they say, there is no ice - but there is an icebreaker off the coast of Antarctica.
Yes, the Chinese now have everything!