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Liberals lie on one manuals

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Do not believe? Here is a simple example: at the moment when the liberals in any country are trying to carry out a coup d'état, they inflame passions according to the same scheme.


Take for example Russia and Ukraine. And here and there, the Fifth Column, led by the American Embassy, ​​begins to spread lies and inflame passions.

Let's compare the texts and we will see that the guys are working on one training manual.

Liberals lie on one manuals

The most recent and most serious attempt to overthrow the legitimate power in Russia was made by the liberals after the parliamentary elections of December 2011. Passion, hysteria, rallies with a large number of participants.

Against this background, in the information space "democratic figures" are made throws, the purpose of which is to further inflame passions. The second goal is to show that the “bloody regime” does not enjoy any support among the people and therefore relies on the strength that it receives “from outside”.

Therefore, during the Moscow rallies, the liberals say that the Chechen riot police arrived in the capital.

Particularly "impressionable" liberal- "patriots" noticed planes ... with Israeli special forces.

During the Kiev rallies, they will say that Russian special forces arrived.

You will easily find traces of these stuffing on the Internet. I will only give a couple of examples, and for greater clarity I will cite an article from the “Spetsnaz.ru” resource, which examines in detail the modern liberal Euro-lies from the “Maidan supporters”.

Moscow.

09.12.2011 “A police regiment from Chechnya arrived in Moscow. Oleg Kashin, a journalist with the newspaper Kommersant, wrote about Twitter’s appearance of Chechen police in Moscow. According to Oleg Kashin, the “Chechen Regiment” settled in the north-east of Moscow. For the law enforcement officers who arrived from Chechnya, 600 apartments were allocated. The appearance of Chechen police officers in Moscow is most likely due to the incessant protests that are taking place in the capital. ”

The source of information is “very serious”:

“Oleg Kashin’s report says that the cops who settled in Moscow were told by“ cops in the precinct ”. Kashin notes that he was told about the Chechens stationed in Moscow “not for the protocol”.

In March 2012 of the year (that is, on the eve of the presidential election!), Information about the “Chechen forces” in Moscow was again launched by liberals in the media. This time, the contribution was also made by the deputy Ilya Ponomarev.

02.03.2012. “... State Duma deputy from“ Fair Russia ”Ilya Ponomarev posted in his blog a copy of the deputy request addressed to the commander-in-chief of the Russian Armed Forces, President Dmitry Medvedev. In it, he reports about the presence in Moscow of about 800 fighters of two divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Chechen Republic - the Kadyrov regiment and the so-called “Oil” regiment ”.

"Employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Chechen Republic did not leave the territory of the region, and reports of the transfer of soldiers of two regiments of the republican Ministry of Internal Affairs to Moscow do not correspond to reality, Interfax reports with reference to the spokesman for the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Chechnya Magomed Deniyev." http://www.city-n.ru/view/298718.html

“Kommersant journalist Oleg Kashin, referring to the secular observer Bozhena Rynsku, wrote on his Twitter that the regiment had arrived to suppress the action, adding that the soldiers were stationed in the north-east of the capital, where 600 apartments were allegedly assigned to them. Kashin's message soon disappeared, however, he managed to replicate a number of online publications. This information was commented on by the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, who also refuted speculation about the Chechen fighters in the Russian capital. ” http://www.city-n.ru/view/298718.html

Kiev.

In Ukraine, the role of a “conscientious journalist,” who begins to spread lies, was taken over by the head of the Svoboda party, Oleg Tyagnibok.

01.12.2013. “The leader of Svoboda, Oleg Tyagnibok, appealed to journalists whenever possible to check the information that two aircraft with fighters of the Russian special forces Vityaz landed at the Kiev airport Borispol today.”

“The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine denied the information about the arrival of the Russian special forces Vityaz in Kiev, ITAR-TASS reports. “This information is no more than rumors. It is absolutely untrue, ”- said the Interior Ministry.

Earlier on Sunday, the civil network OPORA reported that three buses with Russian special forces Vityaz were allegedly already located in Borispol, near Kiev. The special purpose detachment of the internal troops of the Russian Federation “Vityaz”, in particular, performs the task of ending the riots accompanied by armed violence. ”

And here is an article from the magazine “Special Forces of Russia”:

"MURADADY PUTIN OR AS RUSSIAN" VITYAZ "MAYDAN DISPERSED"

Source: http://www.specnaz.ru/articles/207/1/1961.htm

The author of the article: Hero of the Soviet Union, Gennady Zaytsev

I will say straight away: I am far from indifferent to what is happening in fraternal Ukraine. Like everyone, by the way, who loves Ukraine and its people. I do not want to publicly comment on the internal political events of Ukraine, because I myself am not a politician. Although, of course, I have my point of view.


But there are things that are simply impossible to ignore! They relate to the deliberate misinformation relating to the participation of the Vityaz squadron and the Russian special services in the dispersal of supporters of integration with the EU, who were on the Maidan.

For any Russian, the very absurdity of raising this question is understandable. However, there were a lot of people in Ukraine who not only believed in this spreading cranberry, but began to regale it to those around them.

Not to be unsubstantiated, I asked analysts from the International Institute of Anti-Terrorism to analyze the chronicle of events. And that's what happens. The stuffing was carried out on the evening of December 1 2013 of the year through the civilian network SUPPORT, which through its Twitter page reported the following: “Three buses of the Russian special forces Vityaz in Borispol”.

Further, by the principle of network warfare, this misinformation began to explode the Ukrainian information space. People with a dislocated consciousness began to repeat in every way what was expected of them.

The topic had to be supported, not to let the wave fall. And on the same evening, the head of the radical party "Freedom" Oleg Tyagnibok appeals to journalists. He arrives deftly: he does not approve, but only “asks” to check information that today at the Kiev airport “Borispol” two planes landed with fighters of the Russian special forces “Vityaz”.

At the same time, he noted that he had such information, but it was not verified (by the way, OPORA then disavowed his message).

An unobtrusive "request" instantly replicated all the leading Ukrainian media. And she went to write the province! On forums and blogs it started: “Get out of moskaliv from Ukraine!”

Ukrainian authorities have strongly denied this misinformation. The press bureau of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia in the person of Vasily Panchenkov responded: “There is not a single soldier of the Internal Troops outside the Russian Federation and cannot be.”

However, hysteria was growing, and in the heads of people prepared for this kind of stuffing, an organchik was constantly playing, repeating the same thing. "Get out, get out moskaliv from Ukraine!"

And what does it matter that the “Vityaz” itself no longer exists, since on its base in the summer of 2008, the CSN of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia was created? Moreover, there were even "eyewitnesses" who heard in the words of the "Berkut" fighters who acted on the Maidan, "moskalsky accent", and also recognized the hand of the Russian special forces, cruel and merciless.



"CRUSHERS" RUSSIAN SPECIAL COUNTRIES

Well, then 2 December, a volley from the main caliber carried RIA "New Region - Kiev". I specifically cite the extensive text of Anna Sergeeva, so that our readers can appreciate both the degree of hatred towards Russia and the high degree of lies. Judge for yourself, draw conclusions ...

“The brutal beatings of people and journalists on the Independence Square and under the presidential administration is the“ handwriting ”of the Russian special forces. Eyewitnesses confirm: when law enforcement officers beat them, they spoke not just in Russian, but “like Russians”. About this "New Region" said political technologist Pavel Kruglyakovsky.

“Russian special forces can really take part in provocations against protesters in Kiev. There is no direct evidence yet, but a number of indirect signs indicate this, ”the expert believes.

First, according to Kruglyakovsky, frankly forceful methods of dispersing peaceful demonstrations are not peculiar to the Ukrainian Berkut: “The unjustifiably cruel beating of protesters, and especially journalists, is the“ corporate ”style of the Russian special forces in conditions of mass protests.”

Secondly, according to the political strategist, the divisions of the “Berkut” in different places of clashes with demonstrators acted differently - as if the special forces detachments received different orders from different decision-making centers. The most brutal beatings of demonstrators and journalists never occurred in different places at the same time. The actions of the security forces under the presidential administration and under the Lenin monument were significantly different. This may mean that in Kiev there are different special forces, and it is quite possible - with a different command. From this Kruglyakovsky makes a number of conclusions.

“We can make an assumption that it was Russian special forces that were involved in dispersing a peaceful demonstration on Maidan on the night of 30 November and during provocations under the administration of the President of 1 December,” the expert says. - Students who were beaten by the "Berkut" during the dispersal of the Maidan on Saturday night, claim that the special forces spoke Russian "like the Russians." The same happened on Sunday under the AP.

Moreover, before the start of active clashes on Bankova, before the majority of the protesters pulled up there, and there was still an opportunity for communication between the parties, the Berkut detachments were fenced off from the demonstrators by three rows of ordinary Ukrainian police officers without special equipment. Most likely, this was done only in order to exclude any possibility of identifying the national identity of special forces soldiers. ”

And another quote from the same muddy source: “... And the actions of the special forces themselves, and their interpretation were planned in the Kremlin. This is indirectly confirmed by the fact that, on the third day after the incident, no personnel decisions were taken on the leadership of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs. In addition to objective factors, this may also be due to the fact that orders about the excessive use of force in Kiev were given from another decision-making center. ”

Under the publication is: © «New Region - Kiev». So we know who to ask for further clarification.

THEOLOGICAL AND K °

Among those who in those days at all corners came from shouting about the “hand of Moscow”, was the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Inna Bogoslovskaya. Despite her thoughtful surname, this lady, who hastily left the Party of Regions faction in parliament, said on the Kiev radio station “Voice of the Capital” that everything that happens in Kiev is the scenario of the FSB for separating the Donbass from Ukraine, that is, the plan for dismemberment of the country.

She also live on the TV marathon on TVi said that the storming of the Presidential Administration was a provocation of the Russian special services, which was immediately reported by UNN.

At the same time, the lady suddenly somehow switched to the lexicon of the North Caucasian Wahhabis, issuing literally the following: “Medvedchuk, this Putin apostate, fulfills the criminal instructions of the FSB. There are many provocateurs, ”Bogoslovskaya said.

Vityaz.-Theological 2


"Apostate Putin" - this is strong!

For those who are not in the subject line: apostates are called apostates who renounced Islam. Those, in the terminology of ideologues and militants who want to build the “Emirate Caucasus” state in the North Caucasus, are everyone else, regardless of nationality.

Resource Segodnya.UA cited a more detailed quotation from Madame: “Putin is waiting for war ... Putin is standing on a low start in order to“ bite off ”a piece of our territory,” she said.

Theological is convinced that "in this situation, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine should become a single center for decision-making."

“The president is actually delegitimized, after all known events, the government has no moral right to take any decisions,” she said.

She believes that “the only option for peaceful development of events is“ the resignation, already tonight, of all security officials, and Yanukovych’s urgent visit to Europe, where he must announce the immediate convening of an extraordinary Ukraine-EU summit. I am convinced that Europe will immediately respond to such calls from Yanukovych. ”

Interestingly, the girls are dancing, as they say in my small homeland - on the Chusovaya River. You read all this inflamed nonsense and once again understand that there will always be people in the world who are ready to use any means and methods to achieve their goal. However, they do not understand that the boomerang always comes back - even after when, as it seems, he achieved his goal.

OUR FARTERS - LIKE WATCHES!

Last year, a monument to the “Special Forces Soldiers of Russia” monument was opened in our northern capital. It is dedicated to all employees of special units of the KGB, FSB, GRU, VDV, MVD, Federal Drug Control Service and FSIN of different generations. Nothing is stronger, more spectacular and spectacular, perhaps I have not seen. In any case, this sculptural composition, which can be seen in the St. Petersburg Park of Warriors-internationalists, is a reflection of the spirit and purpose of Special Forces. That is why in December 2013, its creators deservedly won the annual Prize of the FSB in the field of art.

And that's what I want to say on behalf of the special forces. We are not accustomed to lies and lies in our address, including the last years of the Soviet Union. We have always caused fierce anger and hatred for all those who are used to doing their business at the expense of the people.

Our fallen are like sentries; they do not let us forget even for a minute about the high cost of victories won and losses suffered. That is why we have always protected and will protect the honor of Special Forces against lies and slander. In memory of the fallen and for the sake of the living.

Special Forces in our country - in Russia and in Ukraine - are always more than just special purpose units.

As for the revelations of Madame and others like her, I will say only one thing: according to Theological, “oil,” and “preaching.” Who wants this, let him consume it! And who has his head on his shoulders, the way makes conclusions. For the future.


The next stage of information paranoia is Tanks in the rearview mirror


By the way, epic история with “Vityaz” repeats, deja vu and only! During the Orange Revolution, Yulia Tymoshenko, speaking to protesters from KrAZ, reported that the Vityaz Russian special forces unit was in the Presidential Administration. As in this case, the waves from the stuffing for a long time diverged in the information space of Ukraine and abroad.

The time has passed. Giving 5 December 2005 an interview with the German newspaper Die Welt, Yulia Vladimirovna heard: "During the revolution, you blamed Russia for sending soldiers and policemen to Kiev." To which Tymoshenko replied: “I must amend my words. The units that were then in the courtyard of the office of the president, were in the form of no insignia. But from which country they were, I cannot say anything about this, everything else was an exaggeration. ”

But why exactly "Vityaz"? Not "Alpha", but "krapovye berets"? Probably, the identity of his former commander, Hero of Russia Colonel Lysyuk Sergey Ivanovich, bearing the Ukrainian surname, forces the legendary special forces of the Interior Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia to materialize on a subconscious level in Kiev. I cannot give any other explanation.

The author is the commander of Group A in 1977-1988 and 1992-1995.
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 17 January 2014 07: 50
    -24%
    So friends, if you don't want to be called a pro-American liberal, not declared an enemy of Russia, you should only sing praises to the government, in no case criticize. And in general, close your eyes and imagine that everything around is beautiful. That Serdyukov and Vasilyeva and many others of their ilk have already been imprisoned for long periods. That prices in trade and housing and communal services have stabilized, and even their decline is planned. In general, everything is fine. And do not try to open your eyes, you can open them a little. so as not to slip on the ice near your house. So "all is well beautiful marquise"
    1. alpenstock
      alpenstock 17 January 2014 07: 58
      -9
      everything is right, ice and prices - everyone knows who suits. tasty porridge?
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 17 January 2014 08: 12
        +7
        Liberals lie on one manuals





        Liberal, liberal, your living capital -
        The whole horde that oppresses Russia,
        All the crooks, all the thieves, all the living kih kagal,
        The whole robber-bureaucratic rabble!

        Liberal, it’s you who shot us in the back of the head
        In October on the Brokeback Bridge,
        It’s you, liberal, we nailed in Chechnya
        Thieves hands to the cross!

        You are flooding the country with US agents
        You graze sexual scum.
        It’s you, liberal, that you are holding Russians captive
        You stole our glory and power!

        It’s you liberal who bred poverty
        Satanic sects divorced.
        It’s you, liberal, that ruined our youth
        Our old age "brought to the handle."

        It is you, liberal, who gave sovereignty
        Local country bai in trouble.
        It’s you, liberal, that you took the bread from the poor,
        Putting them on a cake-quinoa.

        This, Bonner, is smoking your cigarette,
        Your Yakunin is shaking his beard.
        This is your Kovalev, your Basayev is a bandit
        Hand in hand ruining the people!

        Liberal, your swipes are preparing congress,
        In him a stranger reigns supreme.
        This hellish mixture is pouring into the souls of people
        Masyuki from the screens stinks.

        Hey, in the sagging pants, the Russian uncle is a man!
        Rusty pipes in a house flow.
        Your stomach is empty with hunger rumbles
        Cockroaches wallpaper nibble.

        On the back, the workman fell apart - he sits,
        I trampled your shoulders.
        All the ears of gaps, buzzing about reforms
        Tsereu - shny servant - liberal.

        The liberal is death, the liberal is pestilence
        the liberal is hunger and fear.
        The liberal is a whip and a collar and a shame -
        The main external and internal enemy!

        Squeeze them like witches on Bald Mountain
        The villains raise their high.
        Wake up, people, straighten up at dawn
        Caress them with a club!

        Hey cool cops, hey, army team and navy!
        You took the oath to the country.
        Liberal evil spells us all
        So put a stop to Satan!

        ... A series of gloomy gallows seems to me:
        And on them from verst to verst
        Liberals are hanging. LIBERALS HANG ...,
        And their filthy mouths are silent!

        The quintessence of the mind is word and thought.
        The case follows them.
        And when the vision comes true,
        Our Conscience will calmly breathe!
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 17 January 2014 08: 53
          +19
          Quote: vladsolo56
          So friends, if you do not want to be called a pro-American liberal, you have not been declared an enemy of Russia, you should only sing praises to the government, and in no case should you criticize.


          In Russia, the authorities criticize everyone who wants to, and there’s nothing in it, even useful, another thing is when they use lie and other tricks "injection" - this is at least unhealthy patriotismbut about those who are all this discontent, well founded uses in their purely self-political goals and those who help them (knowingly or "for the company") it is safe to say that they work against their country (respectively, to some other country, for example, the USA), exactly "WORK", someone for money grants, someone just because it is fashionable to disagree, etc.

          Quote: vladsolo56
          In general, close your eyes and imagine that everything around is beautiful

          Nobody claims that everything is fine, just need to look at TREND, not on FACTS, and compare not a brick with a kilogram, but what was and what became - In detail.

          Quote: vladsolo56
          That Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, and many others like them, have already been planted for long periods.

          Have they been released and the investigation terminated? By the way, here's a sign about "landings".


          Quote: vladsolo56
          That prices in trade and utilities have stabilized, and even their reduction is planned.



          Quote: vladsolo56
          In general, everything is fine. And do not try to open your eyes, you can open them a little. so as not to slip on the ice near your house. So "all is well lovely marquise"

          All the same, you need to open your eyes, an atom in an attempt to pour as much sewage as possible on your country and on your citizens, you can drown in the same sewage.

          On this resource we have already seen a bunch of articles in which we have "everything is sooo bad", and with a detailed analysis, a completely different picture opens. What about the aviation industry, what is the defense, what is the standard of living, in many areas.

          BUT IN THE HOUSING HOUSES WE HAVE A FULL CHALLENGE !!!!!!!
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 17 January 2014 09: 26
            -14%
            Thank you, they enlightened us, set us on the path of truth, now if I see a price increase, I will know, it only seems to me, If Serdyukov works in the Ministry of Defense, then it is only then that he does not run abroad. If Vasilyeva is sentenced to a term that she spent under house arrest, this is just so that the West would not be offended, in general, thanks and low bow, now I understand everything
            1. dmb
              dmb 17 January 2014 10: 37
              -6
              A gentleman with a poorly digestible nickname "... hummer". differs little from the liberals he criticized. His reasoning is the same as that of Kashin and Rynskaya. Kill God I don’t understand why he calls criticism of the fornication of the authorities in matters of the same housing and communal services and the attitude towards corrupt officials “pouring mud on his country”? There can be only one explanation here. He feeds from the hands of this power. I will be infinitely grateful to those who find more digestible bases.
              1. dmb
                dmb 17 January 2014 12: 07
                +2
                Apparently, apart from the cons, they were not found. However, there was one response. Of the arguments, he rather abounded only in arena and hardly contained the answer to my question.
                1. Rider
                  Rider 17 January 2014 13: 52
                  +7
                  Quote: dmb
                  Apparently, apart from the cons, they were not found.

                  and what to answer a disease except for its diagnosis?

                  what does housing and communal services have to the topic of the article?
                  that you decided to carry out your favorite libpot when there is talk about "pro-salipolymers" on a specific topic?

                  In this article, there is a specific analysis of the false statements of libero-oriented citizens.
                  and you and Vladsolonin dragged power and corruption

                  Is this talk from the category of "elderberry in the garden, and uncle in Kiev"?
                  1. dmb
                    dmb 17 January 2014 14: 50
                    -2
                    Your motivation is clear to me. I will not speak out about your mental abilities, so as not to "get on the same board with you." I can only draw your high attention to the fact that I did not comment on the articles, but assessed the post of the gentleman with a long nickname. Therefore, the cliches you voiced have the same relation to our dialogue as the uncle you mentioned to the elder.
                    1. Rider
                      Rider 17 January 2014 14: 54
                      -2
                      Quote: dmb
                      I understand your motivation. I will not speak about your mental abilities

                      I am glad that you acknowledge my intellectual priority.
                      Quote: dmb
                      Therefore, the stamps voiced by you

                      uh, excuse me, but this is in a very specific topic, switched to elderberry.

                      and eat it for you.

                      Bon Appetit.
                      1. dmb
                        dmb 17 January 2014 20: 48
                        +1
                        I am glad to give you the opportunity for self-esteem, but to judge how true it is, judge others.
                      2. Rider
                        Rider 17 January 2014 20: 58
                        0
                        Quote: dmb
                        but how true she is, judge others.

                        are you not about the disadvantages of the case?

                        Well, we are adults, to judge a person by virtual estimates.
                        some kind of kindergarten.

                        besides (if you decide to judge a person by estimates) then how to perceive my numerous pluses?
                        because they are much more like minuses.

                        here is good - there is bad.

                        isn't it too primitive?
                      3. dmb
                        dmb 17 January 2014 22: 55
                        0
                        Well, you are dear, I do not put either one or the other, and if I do not agree with anything I write directly about it. The minuses you (I suppose) have set for excessive self-conceit and rudeness, because it was you who reduced the entire argument to the personality of the opponent. This, as you know, did not upset me. but people who got used to reasonable discussions, and not a bazaar squabble, apparently did not like it.
                      4. Rider
                        Rider 17 January 2014 23: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: dmb
                        The minuses you (I guess) have set for high self-conceit and rudeness, because

                        Well, in this case, the pluses put for me my ability to analyze and knowledge of the situation.

                        and I gave enough examples of my innocence.
                        but you, like my other opponents, decided to ignore them.

                        I understand why to engage in analysis and self-education when everything can be reduced to boltology.

                        Did you notice that we are no longer discussing the topic of the article (we are not discussing anything already), but are simply competing in verbal balancing?
      2. Rider
        Rider 17 January 2014 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        in general, thanks and low bow, now I understand everything

        to health.

        simple question: what is the relationship between housing and communal services stools and his harem have to the topic of the article under discussion?
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    3. Hon
      Hon 17 January 2014 09: 50
      -10%
      Well, not only liberals lie ...
      On the air of the Vesti program: on December 01.12.13, 1709, in a story about Ukraine, Dmitry Konstantinovich seriously stated that Poland and Lithuania want to revive the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and, together with Sweden, capture Ukraine in order to finally take revenge from the Russian woman for the defeat near Poltava in XNUMX year.
      When Putin turned 60 years old, Kiselev decided to make him gift anusling right on the air, said:
      “In terms of the scale of activity, Putin-politician from his predecessors of the twentieth century is comparable only with Stalin. The methods are fundamentally different. The price of the Stalinist breakthrough is unacceptable, but the scale of the tasks of arranging the country is as follows. After Stalin, each next Kremlin leader lowered the bar of ambition, and Russia came bleeding, demoralized and torn to the turn of the millennium. ... As a result, we will bend our fingers: the army’s combat readiness has been restored, the nuclear balance has been confirmed, the territorial integrity has been preserved, the Russians’ wages have increased 13 times in rubles, their pension has grown 10. Russia is free as never before in its history. ”
      1. Rider
        Rider 17 January 2014 13: 59
        +6
        Quote: Hon
        Well, not only liberals lie ...

        and you ask for what purpose the mentioned countries (well, except Sweden) are distributing their citizenship in adjacent non-fallow areas?

        information for consideration
        Romania, Hungary and Poland threaten to swallow part of Ukraine
        http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/226934-rumyniya-vengriya-i-polsha-grozy
        at-proglotit-chast-ukrainy.html
    4. kris
      kris 17 January 2014 10: 56
      -4
      Quote: sledgehammer102
      In the Russian Federation, the authorities criticize everyone who wants to, and there is nothing in this, even useful, another thing is when lies and other methods of "whipping up" are used in their criticism - this is at least unhealthy patriotism, but about those who are all this discontent, quite reasonable, uses in its purely selfish political goals and those who help them (knowingly or "for the company"), we can say with confidence that they are working against their country (respectively, for some other country, for example, the USA), it is "WORK", someone for money-grants, someone just because it is fashionable to disagree, and so on.

      Dear stop trolling!
      open the campaign promises of Putin and united Russia from 2000 of the year.
      According to them, we must live in chocolate.
      Who is stopping the authorities from fulfilling their promises? State Department again?
      1. Olegovich
        Olegovich 17 January 2014 16: 19
        +2
        According to them, we must live in chocolate.

        And where is it written in your leaflet? There, what is indicated that all citizens of Russia will have everything they want? (and not what they earned).
        That’s just ALL the points of the election leaflet are fulfilled in life!
    5. wolfhunter2035
      wolfhunter2035 17 January 2014 11: 50
      +2
      It seems like people like you and me are few on this site))) Yes, I’m tired of it myself that everyone says: everything is bad in Russia, Putin is a thief, I broke my finger, Putin is to blame, Putin is to blame for my diarrhea, we have a weak army and we are poorer than Africa, etc. It's just that the people have been thoroughly brainwashed! By the way, I somehow don’t like your housing and communal services price table))) after all, housing and communal services prices are rising (at least in my city), but prices in stores are also decreasing (here I’m unlikely to give sound examples), the salary for each a year above (who does not agree, go to hell, you are an exception to the rule, and you are also a liberal, shoot yourself! (joke);))
    6. Far East
      Far East 17 January 2014 12: 43
      -8
      Quote: sledgehammer102
      All the same, you need to open your eyes, an atom in an attempt to pour as much as possible

      dear yes you clean your schedules! how old are you, dear! there is nothing good in this country yet!
      1. Far East
        Far East 17 January 2014 13: 04
        0
        someone bought a new refrigerator! I'm happy for you!
      2. Rider
        Rider 17 January 2014 14: 02
        +4
        Quote: Far East
        dear yes you clean your schedules! how old are you, dear! nothing in this country there is no good!


        here and immediately see the general man.

        how unlucky you are with the country.

        sorry.
        1. Far East
          Far East 17 January 2014 15: 03
          -3
          Quote: Rider
          here and immediately see the general man.

          how unlucky you are with the country.

          sorry.

          you sympathize with yourself! in my country! we ourselves somehow! Amerikos Doge climb with tips to other countries! You must understand me!
          1. Rider
            Rider 17 January 2014 15: 08
            +3
            Quote: Far East
            you sympathize with yourself!

            what for ?
            I am quite pleased with my country and Russia and my life.

            it is you who whimper like you hr ... uh, life is bad.

            I sympathize again.
            1. Far East
              Far East 17 January 2014 15: 37
              -2
              Quote: Rider
              it is you who whimper like you hr ... uh, life is bad.

              I am not a dog! I deserve the best! in my country! here and be proud of Russia! but I am not yours!
              1. Rider
                Rider 17 January 2014 15: 49
                +4
                Quote: Far East
                I am not a dog! I deserve the best! in my country! here and be proud of Russia! but I am not yours!

                T.V. I am trembling, or I have the right (s)

                so what did you want to say?
                that the state does not provide you with yachts of abramovich and kurshavel prokhorov?
                But didn’t you try to work?

                and by the way, how can it be that you have one Russia, and I have another?

                as far as I know Russia alone.
                or did you study alternative geography?
    7. bomg.77
      bomg.77 17 January 2014 13: 04
      +7
      Quote: sledgehammer102
      when in their criticism they use lies and other methods of "forcing
      You can also remember how Anal wrote in his LiveJournal, after the murder of a guy from Pugachev in a cafe by Chechens, that troops entered the city, and published a photo of the entry of troops from having nothing to do with the city of Pugachevo, though a couple of days later he wrote that it was could have happened if yes if only. Here is such a mr "" sg.! "Liberals" on this site have become full, many of them have dramatically changed their beliefs, only as the rating was raised, I call them shape-shifters.
    8. family tree
      family tree 17 January 2014 13: 12
      +3
      Quote: sledgehammer102
      By the way, here's a sign about "landings".

      It clearly says "The number of court cases with convictions. In 2001, the Minister of Justice Kovalev, for embezzlement and bribes, got a conviction for 9 years, conditionally, the money remained with him. The last case, Navalny, 5 years conditionally, so is he a thief, or not? And if not, why didn’t they make this whole thing? The trend, however. Trend, damn it.
      And I see the inflation rate, not by the signs, but by the prices in the shops and receipts for payment, so it feels like I will turn this sign into a pipe and ... I won’t.
    9. Garrin
      Garrin 17 January 2014 14: 06
      +2
      Quote: sledgehammer102
      By the way, here's a sign about "landings".

      Judging by the tablet, corruption has obviously begun to decline.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 17 January 2014 08: 07
    +18
    It seems to me that an article is about an example of using the technology of stupefying the population to achieve their goals. Those. bullshit. And my personal opinion is that in such cases a steady hand is needed to prevent the spread of such actions. Yanukovych let everything go by itself, now he is turning his ass again. I understand when the people really got up and blame themselves because of their thief, and you have to suppress in order to keep the chair and power. But if you see interference from outside, the situation is destabilizing and you can see that everything is done according to someone's scenario, then what to sit and chew snot with an eye on "public democratic opinion." To crush this scum and disperse this booth. And "pollittekhnologov forest to roll somewhere far away.
    Whether Putin is good or bad is another song. In this case, we are talking about a coup of the "orange" type and the consequences of such power changes. There are examples, you don't have to go far.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 17 January 2014 11: 35
      +6
      Quote: Rurikovich
      But if before your eyes there is interference from outside, the destabilization of the situation and you can see that everything is being done according to someone's scenario, then why sit and chew snot with an eye on "public democratic opinion".

      Dad Lukoshenko tried to cook up a color revolution, and he quickly threw them out. Because he is aware of his strength, he knows that the people are for him. So for this, it is necessary to serve the people themselves, but the people will not betray.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 17 January 2014 19: 40
        +4
        He did not immediately remove them, he gave them a few days to hang around on Oktyabrskaya Square. And when everything rolled down to a couple of tents with obvious junkies and whores, and when the passers-by began to resent the shit on the square, they removed everything ... My friends and I had fun in this clownery for a long time. In the early days, Western ambassadors visited regularly. The money must be monitored. As a result, I had a look at all the "pamyarkounyya". I don't even remember what this "revaluation" was called. Degrody, even grandmothers cannot work normally. OMON men had no place to stretch ... repeat
  • Natalia
    Natalia 17 January 2014 08: 10
    +12
    There is simply healthy criticism, but there is "life is hopeless, Putin stole everything." I'll tell you this, there is no place for liberals on our land, since a liberal is a deliberately weak politician sagging under the imposed values. Russia has always needed a strong leader, albeit not always and not always ideal, but most importantly a strong one.
    Putin was able to pinch the tails with your bulk and daredevil, he could, then he managed to keep power in his hands ...
    But liberalism is .... mmmmm if you want opium for the people.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 17 January 2014 08: 19
      -3
      Why did you decide that I am a liberal. I am just for strong power, but the power is not of the oligarchs, corrupt officials and bandits, but for power standing in the interests of the people. If Putin even took a step, only one step in this direction, I would believe, but so far everything is standing in a swamp. I do not claim that life is hopeless, but I want my children and grandchildren to live in a normal country, but I doubt it. You listen to some politicians, I listen and trust others. If you think that Boldyrev, Delyagin, Musin, Gubanov and others work for Western money, then I am convinced that they are more patriots than many who criticize them.
      It’s convenient for anyone who wants and who constructively suggests improving Russia to be attributed to liberals and spit
      1. Roman A
        Roman A 17 January 2014 10: 50
        +1
        [quote = vladsolo56] I am just for strong power, but the power is not of the oligarchs, corrupt officials and bandits, but for power standing in the interests of the people.
        Vladimir, I understand you, but if you take the history of our country for how long it took after the revolution, people would say that life got better somewhere around 45 years old with the iron curtain closed by a working people and faith in communism But the words are quite logical [quote = vladsolo56] I don’t I affirm that life is hopeless, but I want my children and grandchildren to live in a normal country, but I doubt it. [/ quote]
        It won’t be as fast as we wanted. Breaking down not building
        1. Roman A
          Roman A 17 January 2014 10: 58
          +1
          vladsolo56 You listen to some politicians, I listen and trust others.
          As economist M. Khazin (a friend of these politicians) said in a conversation with Baltic businessmen
          What are you hoping for?
          To Russian tanks
      2. Rider
        Rider 17 January 2014 14: 10
        +3
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Why did you decide that I'm liberal

        but how can I tell you, you started your first post precisely with the liberal style of narration.

        an article about stuffing, and livery, and you immediately turned the arrows on the government and corruption.

        from the outside, it is more visible who breathes what, and what it writes.
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I do not claim life is hopeless

        and you re-read your posts, there is a continuous negativity "stolen, corruption, Kaa - thief" and so on and so on.
        Quote: vladsolo56
        If you think that Boldyrev, Delyagin, Musin, Gubanov

        but you can take an interest in the actions of these patriots (so far without quotes) since I have not heard of such personalities.
        that’s how they distinguished themselves in serving their country, that you boldly elevated them to the rank of patriots (and even more than some)?
    2. kris
      kris 17 January 2014 11: 01
      +2
      extension
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 17 January 2014 11: 29
        +1
        Quote: kris
        extension

        Toda, exactly the same claims, must be presented to the USSR. Where is communism?
        krisDo you always fulfill all your desires and plans?
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 17 January 2014 11: 48
          +6
          Quote: Russ69
          Toda, exactly the same claims, must be presented to the USSR. Where is communism?

          Claims must be presented to Khrushchev. He promised communism in 1980. But here is the paradox, precisely during his reign, the mechanisms of destruction of the USSR were launched. Gorbachev finished what Khrushchev started, promised that by 2000, each family would have its own apartment, and the Union collapsed.
          Popular sign: - If the government promises something, then surely na @ em.
        2. Rider
          Rider 17 January 2014 14: 14
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          Do you always fulfill all your desires and plans?

          what to explain to him!
          if a person still believes in election promises (everyone and all), then he doesn’t even want to explain something.
        3. kris
          kris 18 January 2014 19: 49
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          Toda, exactly the same claims, must be presented to the USSR. Where is communism?
          kris, do you always fulfill all your desires and plans?

          another putrotrol has appeared!
          a man is always responsible for his words!
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 January 2014 18: 53
      +2
      Quote: Natalia
      I will tell you this, liberals do not have a place in our land since a liberal is a knowingly weak politician bending under imposed values.
      But liberalism is .... mmmmm if you want opium for the people.
  • lelikas
    lelikas 17 January 2014 10: 22
    +1
    "A counterintelligence officer must always know, like no one else, that in our time nobody can trust. Sometimes even himself. I can!" © Müller
  • starshina78
    starshina78 17 January 2014 10: 45
    +8
    Are you vladsolo56? you will exaggerate everything. The criticism of the Government and the President, and the escalation of the situation or otherwise a direct lie, have nothing in common. You either read the article poorly or did not understand it. I don’t like much what the Government and the President are doing, I don’t approve of everything, I criticize a lot, but I will never stoop to the lie in the way liberal liberals do it. And many who think the same way I can say this. These liberals, it is not clear what they want. Or the overthrow of everything and everyone, or power for themselves, but in either case, they do not think about us, ordinary people, and attempts to speak on behalf of the people are an undisguised provocation! So we need to stop these very provocations, not to allow them to manipulate us, spreading all kinds of rumors and horror stories. Without the support and criticism of the people, these liberals will not last long. They will run out of steam. Yes, and the sponsors will not allocate money to them if they see that they spit on them, to put it mildly.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 17 January 2014 11: 05
      +5
      Liberal's credo: - "I'm not lying, I can lie."
      Liberal's hobby: - ​​"I lie so that neither the foot, nor the horse can catch up."
      Liberal profession: - "He's lying that he sweeps with a broomstick."
      Memo for a liberal: - "Lies have a short time."
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 17 January 2014 13: 20
      +3
      I’m thinking, after all, in a different way, we must not stop, we must do the thing, and do it so that the people would give those who distribute them in the face with such liberal liberal sermons. However, today many believe and believe simply because there is no positive attitude from the authorities. With my own eyes I have seen more than once an interview with Putin about the rise in prices. He replied that nothing could be done, the market. So if the government shrugs its hands and claims that nothing can be done, then why do we need such power? And this despite the fact that our economists, known to the whole world, offer solutions to many problems, even for 50-10 years, but much faster. Living at the people's expense, with our money, the government is simply obliged to solve our problems, and not the problems of oligarchs and bankers.
      1. Rider
        Rider 17 January 2014 14: 36
        +3
        Quote: vladsolo56
        many believe, and believe simply because there is no positive attitude from the authorities.

        there is a positive, there is, you just don’t see it.
        or do not want to see.
        Of all the news, you choose only the negative, discarding everything else.
        Quote: vladsolo56
        With my own eyes I have seen more than once an interview with Putin about the rise in prices. He replied that nothing could be done, the market. So if the government shrugs its hands and claims that nothing can be done, then why do we need such power?

        your suggestion ?
        we don’t need such power!
        and what is needed?
        the one that regulates prices 7
        Do you happen to talk about a planned economy?
        or trim monopolists and aligarchs?
        so we are not 37 years old.
        so you turn out to be a COMMUNIST ?!

        ANATHEMA ANATHEMA ANATHEMA !!!

        (I fight in a fit with my head on Claudia)

        but seriously - information for consideration:
        Creaklam is not allowed
        http://oko-planet.su/politik/politwar/200106-kreaklam-vhod-vospreschen.html
        pay attention to large Russian projects whose scale exceeds the amount of 10 billion rubles (at the bottom)
        here is the positive that you don’t notice.
        Well, here's about your favorite corruption:
        Sit down a mustache! (Chronicles of Scary Time-16)
        http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikdiscussions/207178-syadut-use-hroniki-strash
        nogo-vremeni-16.html


        and the fact that they didn’t shoot Taburetkin is not 37 years old.

        alas.
      2. Olegovich
        Olegovich 17 January 2014 16: 28
        +2
        And this despite the fact that our economists, known to the whole world, offer solutions to many problems, even for 50-10 years, but much faster.

        So big and you believe in fairy tales! These are just fairy tales that liberals use when they say that it is necessary to overthrow the power and do everything "quickly" (as in 17). "We will destroy the whole world of violence, to the ground, and then, we are ours, we will build a new world ..." We have already passed. Tore apart the country alive.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 17 January 2014 17: 39
          +5
          Quote: Olegych
          Already passed. They tore the country alive.


          Recently, his daughter-in-law invited his son-in-law's birthday to visit. My brother-in-law works for me at a company that sells wine. His friends came in. He puts one of the plastic windows. Another has an online store in the barn, winding generators and hacking carpentry. The third program writes games and sells. Another one in the Ministry of Emergencies and this year they went on vacation who in Thailand who in China, one car changed the Hyundai sonata 2l a new automatic machine for a lemon, the second bath was built. The third repair was done in the apartment, and the lieutenant of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, a bachelor, took an SUV for 600 thousand on credit. to go to parents in the Voronezh village.
          So all unanimously blame the authorities. Growth of prices. Corruption and housing and communal services tariffs.
          Putin stayed too long to change him, but to the question to whom he did not hear an answer, and to hell with him, even to the point of baldness, but the main thing is HOW to explain to a military man the task of calculating forces and means and providing ... They cannot, just like the slogan throwers here on site ... But the basement was flooded dad help and dad climbs in the sixth tenth in the OZK in a cold blizzard, chops firewood for a bath because no one knows what is the difference between an ordinary ax and a cleaver, saws branches at 15 meters height and so on ... But "ass-warmers "to impose and teach daddy life, calling him a scoop is a master, But what happened to those" revolutionaries "who throw slogans into the bushes and scoops for them will take the rap ... So it really will be ..
          1. Colonel
            Colonel 17 January 2014 20: 32
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            in ozk into cold water

            Stanislav, you remark. It is better to climb into cold water in pants from L-1. But seriously, I recommend my son-in-law to invite him to a joint visit to the basement. Young animals, albeit shell-shocked by Pepsi-Cola, become very understanding when they feel uncomfortable (after Thailand lol ).
            1. Rider
              Rider 17 January 2014 20: 42
              0
              Quote: colonel
              Young animals, albeit shell-shocked by Pepsi-Cola, become very understanding when they feel uncomfortable (after Thailand

              somehow my wife and I went to friends with an overnight stay (we didn’t want to, but it happened) the sons of 11 and 9 years remained at home on the farm.
              In the morning we arrive the stove went out at home. The dog is not fed.
              and here I pronounce a Socramental phrase: it is CORRECT to heat the stove and monitor the household; this is not to rummage all night.
              and not to protrude the chest, they say: "I am an adult and I understand everything myself"
              laughing
              1. Colonel
                Colonel 17 January 2014 21: 35
                +1
                So, did you conduct classes with your sons (especially the elders) in the furnace and handling of the dog?
                1. Rider
                  Rider 17 January 2014 22: 27
                  0
                  Quote: colonel
                  So, did you conduct classes with your sons (especially the elders) in the furnace and handling of the dog?

                  vashcheto they are responsible and smart guys.
                  it’s just a time when they start to think independently, and not just think but also contrast their opinions with adults arguing this with their (supposedly) growing up.
                  and sometimes it’s necessary to cool down excessive self-conceit through overly smart offspring.
                  it is necessary to prove by EXAMPLE that they are not only not adults, but they will not even become older.
                  since the Internet, parties and parties are one thing, but responsibility for your actions and willingness to make a decision is not the same thing.

                  I hope, with God's help, I will put it to them.
              2. Far East
                Far East 18 January 2014 03: 22
                0
                Quote: Rider
                CORRECTLY to heat a stove and to monitor the economy, it is not in counter all night to rummage.

                I’ll say easier, this is education! the kids are pretty grown up! crying
        2. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 17 January 2014 18: 06
          +1
          What can you argue about if you just stupidly hate socialism.
          1. Rider
            Rider 17 January 2014 18: 27
            0
            Quote: vladsolo56
            What can you argue about if you just stupidly hate socialism.

            take the trouble to insert in the heading a quote from the person you are answering
            so it will be clearer to whom you answer.

            as far as socialism is concerned, if tomorrow a red flag rises over the Kremlin, I will be one of the first to sing the USSR anthem.

            and by the way, my political preferences are reflected in my avatar.

            in my opinion it is noticeable.
  • kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 17 January 2014 11: 11
    +6
    I don’t even understand what has it to do with "... defiramby to the rulers ..., landing, beautiful marquises ..." ?? Maybe I didn't read something "between the lines"? It seemed to me that the text is about nonsense methods. We all know about this, but the author has collected FACTS in a pile and on a silver platter for us. Article plus.
    Such texts should be printed wherever possible. People need to know how they are bred.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 17 January 2014 13: 23
      +1
      You just don’t understand, all this is aimed specifically at those who can offer constructive criticism, and proposals for the country's reformation. So, in order to shut them all up, you need to accustom the people to the thought: all who are against Putin are all enemies, and they should be planted. The comments on and ratings on this site on this topic give you a convincing example that everything happens this way.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 17 January 2014 18: 11
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        aimed specifically at those who can offer constructive criticism, and proposals for the reform of the country. So in order to shut them up, you just need to accustom the people to the thought: all who are against Putin are all enemies, and they should be planted


        So who do you think offers constructive criticism? The above list of politicians and economists who are just not against Putin specifically. But who Putin put in, probably political prisoners from the list of Romanova, These are just such constructive people who need to be planted the more the better, or to drive into the historical homeland along with their funds and human rights organizations. You understand, this is not about Putin. they drive into the head, as before, tales about Nikolai the BLOOD or the tyrant GROZNY to deprive RUSSIA OF STATE. Why didn’t they shout down at Medvedev, why were they silent? Bulk will come, or Prokhorov with Khodorkovsky already at 30% of the vote gather languages ​​at once in the asses, revolutionaries are sucking cardboard, who will we criticize then? I agree only without revolutions, to hell with him anyway, there is no real estate or currency accounts, I’m ready to accept any power; just show me a finger. .Because, again, it’s not clear to me the zombie Putin’s propaganda ... Bring the home-speaking truth-womb of the wretched zombie luminaries of constructive criticism ...
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 17 January 2014 14: 44
      0
      Quote: kavkaz8888
      People need to know how they are bred.

      At the same time, the question always arises, who specifically breeds and how much ...
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    1. Far East
      Far East 17 January 2014 14: 04
      -1
      Well YOU are minusers! argument to the studio!
      1. Rider
        Rider 17 January 2014 14: 50
        +3
        Quote: Far East
        Well YOU are minusers! argument to the studio!

        arguments against WHAT ?!

        What should we overthrow?

        that pu did not fulfill his campaign promises?
        then the counter question

        show me the person / party / country that fulfilled these promises in FULL?

        or maybe you haven’t heard that Russia became the first in Europe and the fifth in the world in terms of GDP (PPP) according to WorldBank for 1
        http://oko-planet.su/finances/financesnews/197915-rossiya-stala-1oy-v-evrope-i-5
        oy-v-mire-po-vvppps-po-dannym-worldbank-za-2012-god.html

        or that fertility finally exceeded mortality?
        http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikrus/204985-realnoe-uluchshenie-rozhdaemosti.
        html

        or what did people drink less?
        http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/183710-v-rossii-stali-menshe-pit-prodazhi-a
        lkogolya-snizilis.html


        Well, here (if you master)
        parsing by throwing a certain naganoff
        which the libertarian community revels in a couple of years ago.
        Manual on the fight against (Surkov) propaganda (analysis)
        http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/analysis/view/67008/

        if you still do not understand something - contact.
        1. Far East
          Far East 17 January 2014 15: 00
          -3
          Quote: Rider
          Russia became the first in Europe and the fifth in the world in terms of GDP (PPP) according to WorldBank for 1
          is that you tell someone else! I do not understand you sho sit in Drum? or I just graduated from school! You generally read, sho I wrote above? or are you minusanuli?
          1. Rider
            Rider 17 January 2014 15: 14
            0
            Quote: Far East
            is that you tell someone else!

            Alternatively gifted comrade, I appeal to your Moscow, read carefully the headline of the news you ridiculed.
            there it is written in Russian in white according to WorldBank
            it was not invented in the Duma, it is a completely authoritative organization.
            or do you only believe what they write in the liberal media?
            and the fact that you deigned to write about Pu is parallel to me, since I am not a fan of him.

            I brought you the FACTS.
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              1. Rider
                Rider 17 January 2014 15: 44
                0
                Quote: Far East
                these facts! you show someone else!

                well, the stump is clear, chuk ... uh, the Far East is not a reader.
                him arguments, facts, figures, graphs - to one place.
                smart people told him that he lives xp ... uh, well, he lives poorly in general, and he believes.

                here by the way a good little article about you like
                (I’ll quote you, because you should follow the links, see the break)

                "A conversation with a resident of the" information ghetto. "
                Conversation with a resident of the "information ghetto"
                How hatred saves you from working on yourself

                as I dived into the imaginary world of provincial creak and barely got out.
                ... We have not seen Seryoga for ten years, but in our youth we were not only friends, but good friends. And now, after a long time, we had a chance to meet at one event, conducive to lengthy conversations in a narrow circle of old comrades. As usual, after discussing common topics, the conversation smoothly switched to political topics. It turned out that Seryoga became an inveterate hater. So frenzied, which even on the Internet are not often found. In general, I realized that I had a unique chance to talk heart to heart with a real non-virtual "regime exposer."

                - And what good did he (Putin) do for the country? My friend asks. - The fact that oil prices are high is not at all his merit. And how much did he destroy?

                - How many? - I am carefully interested.

                - The whole industry was ruined! Not a single new plant has been built in the country in 20 years!

                “Do you really believe that?” But what about 2-3 dozen opening enterprises in the country per month? Don't you read about them?

                “I don’t know, I haven’t heard that.”

                After a brief reference on the commissioned enterprises, we recently switched to the army. My friend was surprised to learn that we are able to conduct large-scale exercises, lead the export of weapons, the latest weapons are being delivered to our troops, our fleet is making a noise in the Mediterranean Sea and the Pacific Ocean, strategic aviation periodically puts on the ears of the Baltic states and the Japanese and (shock !) we still have enough nuclear weapons to continue asking us to cut down at least some of it.

                When this topic was worked out, a classic question sounded:

                “But why, why do we, in the oil-producing country, have the most expensive gasoline in the world ?!”

                Then I precipitated and asked how my friend got so much “shocking” information. The answer was expected:

                - From the Internet.

                I had to start a long story about how last year a Turkish taxi driver nearly ruined me. Not because he is greedy, but because gasoline in Turkey costs almost 100 rubles per liter. But Turkey, as you know, is not an oil producing country - unlike, for example, Norway. In Norway, a liter costs 78,5 rubles for our money. In general, among the countries of Europe, Russia is in the 30th place in terms of the cost of gasoline, and cheaper than ours, gasoline is available only in Kazakhstan and Belarus (1-2 rubles per liter).

                http://oko-planet.su/spravka/spravkamir/202193-razgovor-s-zhitelem-informacionno
                go-getto-kak-nenavist-spasaet-ot-raboty-nad-soboy.html
                1. Far East
                  Far East 17 January 2014 15: 50
                  -2
                  Quote: Rider
                  here by the way a good little article about you like

                  Yes, everything is already enough! Teach all your thinkers!
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 17 January 2014 16: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Far East
                    Yes, everything is already enough!

                    teacher's stern voice: sit down TWO!
                    learn a missed task tomorrow by heart.

                    learn to argue ARGUMENTALLY,
                    rather than just sloganing.

                    here you are not marshy, and not forums from soap and rambler.
      2. Olegovich
        Olegovich 17 January 2014 16: 33
        +3
        Quote: Far East
        Well YOU are minusers! argument to the studio!

        Minus from me for your unpleasant, destructive position. Besides, if this site has been bought, then why haven't you been crowded with dirty articles about "the President's crimes" lately. Everything sucks !!!!
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  • Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 13: 52
    +1
    Vladsolo56, here they do not understand your sarcasm and irony. And you, I note, well done, subtly noticed everything!
  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 17 January 2014 14: 34
    +6
    That's how they lie ...

    or another scum pedophile ...
    1. Rider
      Rider 17 January 2014 15: 04
      +2
      Quote: Novel 1977
      That's how they lie ..

      these are still flowers
      here as an example, quotes:while I was not physically in Moscow, just a week before my arrival, a man called her and said that he was me. And that I had an accident and knocked a man to death. And what is needed 400 thousand rubles right now.

      Mom called the police - in the usual, Moscow, Pokrovskoye-Streshnevo, this is 10 Vodnikov St.
      3 policemen arrived, talked to her, and understood everything.

      After half an hour, a certain Aleksey was detained in the transfer of the doll (somehow it did not grow together with gold on the necessary scale).

      Why did I write this here?

      No, it's cooler. Caught Alexei is a member of the Yabloko party with eight years of experience, an activist of the occupation-abai and a participant in the protest movement. His lawyer, as I was told today (I am in touch with the participants in the investigation), considers the case political.
      The regime forced an unemployed 32-year-old Muscovite to ring up pensioners and extort money from them under such an excuse, that’s how.
      To what Bloody Putin brought the best people.


      Well, here (if anyone is interested)
      Feats of Creacles (video, audio 18 + ...)
      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politwar/184998-podvigi-kreaklovvideo-audio-18.html

      and now to the heap
      Russophobic statements of the Russian opposition
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 17 January 2014 19: 26
        0
        Quote: Rider
        Caught Alexey - member of the Yabloko party with eight years of experience
  • Stas
    Stas 19 January 2014 19: 47
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    So friends, if you don't want to be called a pro-American liberal, not declared an enemy of Russia, you should only sing the praises of the government, in no case criticize. "


    This is approximately the case, but. The liberals are at the very top, starting with the guarantor himself - with him embezzlers and bureaucrats feel very dry and comfortable. Yes, and juvenile justice and gomosyatina under the guise of bureaucrats will legalize - it's a matter of time. And now "putinoids" minus. Well, and an interesting link about how Putin declares his policy to be liberal (newspaper Vzglyad) http://vz.ru/news/2014/1/19/668560.html
  • makarov
    makarov 17 January 2014 07: 55
    +4
    Sam is out of politics. I am distrustful and even dislike of Ukrainian opposition leaders and their movements.
    Many remember Gaidar's criminal thieves' rule in the Russian Federation, and so, if you multiply by 10, then this will be the reality of what is happening now in Ukraine, namely the actions of its "non-liberal" government named after Yanukovych
  • mountain
    mountain 17 January 2014 08: 01
    +7
    They are ready to surrender to the EU, but Russia must seize them. Dreamers.
    1. family tree
      family tree 17 January 2014 08: 27
      +4
      Quote: mountain
      They are ready to surrender to the EU, but Russia must seize them. Dreamers.

      Yes, everything is already, they will not be taken to the EU. If they were still mildly criticized for the pro-Nazi "Svoboda", then further actions, already in any frame. Generally inadequate! They encroached on the sacred, took and drove the p.i.d.o.rov from the Maidan! Where was the mind? This in the EU will never be forgiven am , they have one road now. request
  • domokl
    domokl 17 January 2014 08: 02
    +8
    Well done general. I completely agree. The special forces are afraid. They pour mud. But that is our strength in that we do not surrender. And about Vityaz, it means respect. Slugs will not be called for the destruction of the whole country.
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 13: 57
      0
      There are many special forces. Which one do you mean? What areas?
  • askort154
    askort154 17 January 2014 08: 07
    +8
    From the article ... "they claim that the commandos spoke Russian" like Russians "...

    I wonder if it is possible to swear in Ukrainian? Examples in the studio!
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 17 January 2014 12: 18
      +5
      Quote: askort154
      Examples in the studio!

      "Damn, yak there they are talking on pyvo - beer, if it diminishes" lol
    2. drop
      drop 17 January 2014 13: 45
      +1
      When it is necessary to arrange a provocation, they will think of other actions. I will give an example when, on the eve (before the start of World War II), one day before its start, Finnish saboteurs in military German uniform landed in the 6 area of ​​the LBC lock. The goal was to detonate the 7 gateway platinum and destroy the BBK. This unit was destroyed. And only on 9 of December 1941 of the year, units of the Red Army blew up this platinum. An armored Finnish battalion was washed away and destroyed in Lake Onega. Fighting on the Karelian front froze until the 1944 of the year, when the counterattack of the Red Army began.
    3. drop
      drop 17 January 2014 13: 46
      0
      When it is necessary to arrange a provocation, they will think of other actions. I will give an example when, on the eve (before the start of World War II), one day before its start, Finnish saboteurs in military German uniform landed in the 6 area of ​​the LBC lock. The goal was to detonate the 7 gateway platinum and destroy the BBK. This unit was destroyed. And only on 9 of December 1941 of the year, units of the Red Army blew up this platinum. An armored Finnish battalion was washed away and destroyed in Lake Onega. Fighting on the Karelian front froze until the 1944 of the year, when the counterattack of the Red Army began.
    4. Anper
      Anper 17 January 2014 17: 58
      0
      We have a common mate, but expressions hat bi you traf(Ukrainian Western),stoolsи important traffic - favorite expressions of Norilsk acquaintances, memorized by heart.
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 17 January 2014 08: 09
    +8
    Worthy heirs of Dr. Goebbels.
    "The more monstrous the lie, the easier it is to believe ..."
    1. askort154
      askort154 17 January 2014 08: 42
      +2
      Ulysses .... "The more monstrous the lie, the easier it is to believe ..."

      Lying is the foundation of politics.
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 17 January 2014 09: 09
      -5
      Quote: Ulysses
      Worthy heirs of Dr. Goebbels.
      "The more monstrous the lie, the easier it is to believe ..."


      However, are you so sure that on the other hand there is no lie? naivety is worse than betrayal.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 17 January 2014 12: 15
        +5
        Quote: vladsolo56
        However, are you so sure that on the other hand there is no lie? naivety is worse than betrayal.

        Well, you can't be so stubborn. You will recall the 90s, what the cry of the liberals was: "The market will regulate everything, everything will be fine with us." Well, how do you like this "market", are you satisfied with everything? Now compare the standard of living under Yeltsin and now. Look out the window - you can't walk near the house because of the cars. We live badly? If someone is bad, it does not mean that others are also not good. Many see that the same liberals, who have brought the country to the handle, are striving for power. Do you want "change"? They will arrange such changes for you that for the rest of your life you will remember the "Putin regime" with a kind word. Do you need it? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 17 January 2014 13: 29
          +1
          You know, despite the fact that the country has tremendous natural and human resources, it is constantly asserted that a bird in the hands is better, as it is not serious. Maybe you still need to look and understand, because in our country we can live many times better. And for this it is only necessary to deprive the foundation, the support of those who sell Russia, plunder it, people's wealth.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 17 January 2014 15: 21
            +1
            Yes, I do not mind that we can live better. I completely agree with you. But I think that if now everything is taken away from the oligarchs and others like them, then you should understand that there will be such a high among liberals and Westerners that "Mama do not cry." There will be no investments in our country, there will be something like the Iron Curtain. Again we will cook in our own juice. And they won't let Putin do it, even if he wanted to. Not everything is still in his hands, there are still many pitfalls that we do not know about. He slowly but surely goes his own way. And I hope to see more improvements in our difficult life. And now we are reaping the benefits of effective managers. Whether we like it or not, we have to go through it. And I believe everything will work out for us.
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          3. Rider
            Rider 17 January 2014 15: 27
            0
            Quote: vladsolo56
            And for this it is only necessary to deprive the foundation, the support of those who sell Russia, plunder it, people's wealth.

            Revolution 2.0?

            do you have any idea how the nationalization of all resource-mining enterprises could end?
            wars began and for less.

            By the way, you complained about the lack of positive news.

            I have them (on the topic of resources)
            Under current law, the state budget receives about 90% of all oil export revenues at a price higher than $ 25 per barrel; This amount includes export duty with a marginal tax rate of 65% and mineral extraction tax with a marginal rate of 22%.
            http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikdiscussions/187396-kak-platili-nalogi-do-put

            ina.html


            How the state secretly regained control of Gazprom from the government
            http://oko-planet.su/infonfoko/178761-kak-gosudarstvo-taykom-ot-pravitelstva-ver

            nulo-sebe-kontrol-nad-gazpromom.html


            tip: do not read liberal media in the evenings.
            bad for digestion.
            1. Far East
              Far East 17 January 2014 15: 38
              0
              Quote: Rider
              tip: do not read liberal media in the evenings.
              bad for digestion.

              Yes, you teach everyone! go home!
              1. Rider
                Rider 17 January 2014 16: 06
                0
                Quote: Far East
                Yes, you teach everyone! go home!


                Is this tearful petition not to kick you into your ignorance anymore?


                you contact, I can enlighten you on MNOOOOGIM issues.
                1. Far East
                  Far East 18 January 2014 03: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Rider
                  I can enlighten you on MNOOOGIM issues.

                  teach your children HOUSING! once you live in your house! you are our priest! I have two boys, one 18 another 7 as Dad says so and it will be!
            2. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 17 January 2014 18: 13
              +2
              In your opinion, God forbid, not to anger the oligarchs, let us endure their lawlessness. We will quietly watch how they sell Russia. And then they’ll get angry. will arrange a revolution, how long will we be afraid of something.
              1. Rider
                Rider 17 January 2014 18: 32
                -2
                Quote: vladsolo56
                In your opinion, God forbid, not to anger the oligarchs, let us endure their lawlessness.

                what do you think?
                Down with the bourgeoisie, the land of the peasants, the factories of workers, who was completely rotted by anyone?

                remind you how it ended the last time?
                after all, only IVS by means of MONSTANT victims could lead the country away from the edge of the abyss.

                want a repetition?
              2. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 17 January 2014 21: 25
                +1
                Quote: vladsolo56
                how long will we be afraid of something.

                Aren't you a masochist for an hour? Are you not enough of those troubles that fell on our head? Do you remember what you saw good after the arrival of the Tagged One? Sharakhanya from one extreme to another and a disregard for people. Seeing that the country was falling apart, Humpback left it to its fate, slipping us drunk Yeltsin. He also had a hand in our happiness. Well, how, we lived happily then? Only after the 2000s did we start to recover a little. Two presidents destroyed the country, tore apart during their rule. Is Putin to blame? Now try to rebuild the destroyed country, and besides, so that everyone is happy. Moreover, they strive to insert sticks into the wheels. Easy to break, difficult to build. Aren't you tired of the uncertainty? A new person will come to power, will begin his "perestroika", as long as possible? Let's let the country develop calmly, we will have everything. Enough shocks. hi
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            3. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 17 January 2014 19: 37
              +1
              Quote: Rider
              do you have any idea how the nationalization of all resource-mining enterprises could end?
              wars began and for less

              Interesting logic, dear man ...

              That is, if several children in a particularly perverted form want to use you or your girlfriend on the street, then you won’t fight back, motivating that they can kill in case of resistance?
              1. Rider
                Rider 17 January 2014 19: 44
                -1
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Interesting logic, dear man ...

                That is, if on the street you or your girlfriend several children in a particularly perverse form want to use,

                do not transfer your experience to others

                I’m really not interested in what these kids did with you and your girlfriend.

                learn to think before you post nonsense.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 17 January 2014 20: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Rider

                  Don’t you go to the market - yes or no?

                  However, your other posts -
                  Quote: Rider
                  Down with the bourgeoisie, the land of the peasants, the factories of workers, who was completely rotted by anyone?

                  remind you how it ended the last time?
                  after all, only IVS by means of MONSTANT victims could lead the country away from the edge of the abyss.

                  want a repetition?

                  Quote: Rider
                  as far as socialism is concerned, if tomorrow a red flag rises over the Kremlin, I will be one of the first to sing the USSR anthem.
                  - already answered for you: you are ready to sing any hymn.
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 17 January 2014 20: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    You do not go to the market

                    I advise you to return home, and not post from the market.

                    What else can I say to a person (?) who wants his country to have a second revolution and civil war?

                    only - learn history.

                    I really support the red project, which includes the nationalization of resource-mining areas of industry, reindustrialization, the introduction of customs duties aimed at the development of domestic import-substituting enterprises, the development of science.

                    however, I UNDERSTAND that all this should be done gradually, separating the oligarchs and proteges of the West, first from politics, and then from the economy.
                    because it’s breaking fast, and building is just the opposite.

                    how much can and quickly.
                    as in the 30s - dispossession, Gulag, 37g.
                    do you like that?

                    and people like you will lead a country that has just begun to crawl away from the edge of the abyss, to which I spoke.

                    I advise you to think about it
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 17 January 2014 21: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Rider
                      What else can I say to a person (?) who wants his country to have a second revolution and civil war?

                      only - learn history
                      Learn the terminology - who do you have to be to say that civil war and revolution do that too? laughing

                      I really support the red project
                      Like any other that will be imposed on you - your posts testify to this.

                      however, I UNDERSTAND that all this should be done gradually, separating the oligarchs and proteges of the West, first from politics, and then from the economy
                      Directly according to Fedorov - it is necessary to get rid of "occupation" for 500 years and not a day less laughing

                      because it’s breaking fast, and building is just the opposite
                      My dear man, I don’t know how in the Republic of Kazakhstan, but they don’t break it in the Russian Federation — they break it.

                      how much can and quickly.
                      as in the 30s - dispossession, Gulag, 37g.
                      you like that
                      How did this cognitive dissonance run out ... Didn’t you get tired of driving about the 30th? smile

                      and people like you will lead a country that has just begun to crawl away from the edge of the abyss, to which I spoke
                      People like me don't call black white.
                      1. Rider
                        Rider 17 January 2014 21: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Learn the terminology - who do you have to be to say that civil war and revolution do that too?

                        Well, if it’s not clear to you that EVERY revolution is followed by a war, then you taught history poorly at school.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Like any other that will be imposed on you - your posts testify to this.

                        Directly according to Fedorov - it is necessary to get rid of "occupation" for 500 years and not a day less

                        if you understood only this, then you poorly taught not only history but also read with difficulty.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        I don’t know ka in the RK, but they don’t break it in the Russian Federation - they break it.

                        that is, you are a follower of "pro-salipolymers"
                        and my other posts where I give positive examples you probably have not read.
                        selective thinking is so characteristic of ryvolutsionery.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Wasn't you tired of driving the 30th about Purga?

                        Do you deny the collectivization of dispossession of the Gulag labor of prisoners at construction sites of five years?
                        you are the original.
                        so that you understand, THIS EVERYTHING WAS JUSTIFIED!
                        at that historical moment, of course.
                        since your beloved revolution has led to a war and that in turn has destroyed the famine of foreign intervention and other delights.
                        in order to prepare the country that just emerged from the hell of war and is preparing to snuggle into it again.
                        tough measures were needed.
                        all that I have listed.
                        and I repeat IT WAS JUSTIFIED.

                        but here you personally would like to exchange a cozy office for Kyle and a wheelbarrow in the permafrost area?
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        People like me don't call black white.

                        like you have unipolar thinking because they say that the current government is evil. but they can’t offer an alternative.

                        you have no white
                        only prosralipolymers.
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 17 January 2014 23: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Rider

                        EVERY revolution follows gr war
                        If it’s not clear to you that a revolution is a breakthrough in the path of which (in the social sphere) a civil war sometimes wars up that is unleashed by those whose interests diverge from those of the majority, then you did not study at school. If you don’t understand that both progressive movement (evolution) and a breakthrough (revolution) in the social sphere are possible only when the goal is to improve the position of the majority (which would have never allowed itself to reach power in the 90s), then you either not in the know, or in proportion - and that is why you are not just forced to adapt to the existing negativity, but you agree with him and justify him
                        if you understand ... then you taught poorly ...
                        See above.
                        where I give positive examples
                        Your positive examples are episodic and are not able to interrupt the negative trend.
                        selective thinking is so characteristic of ryvolucioners
                        Take the little red off the avatar - be honest smile
                        deny collectivization dekulakization of the Gulag labor of prisoners at construction sites of five-year plans
                        Your division - you forgot to write about "tens of millions" of "innocent" laughing
                        Can I tell you who the fists are? Tell me who and why in the Gulag turned up? My dear man - what did you mean by that?
                        THIS EVERYTHING WAS JUSTIFIED!
                        Yeah? laughing But I don’t agree with you - it was not justified, it was LEGAL AND JUST (how many fans to replace concepts divorced)
                        your favorite revolution led to gr war
                        Well, of course - it's the big-boobied Bolsheviks who started a war with the people, and not the white frost with their friends from the Entente
                        tough measures were needed ... and I repeat IT WAS JUSTIFIED ...
                        See above
                        but here you would like to ... on a file and a wheelbarrow ..
                        Dude - you're stupid, but really burning! good
                        like you have unipolar thinking
                        And you mean bi-polar ..
                        cannot offer an alternative
                        Search through the comments.
                        you do not have white only prosralipolymers.
                        And he is not there - there is only a decal of gray, but also black and gray such as you are diligently trying to pass off as white.
                      3. Rider
                        Rider 17 January 2014 23: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        If it’s not clear to you that a revolution is a breakthrough on the path of which (in the social sphere) a civil war sometimes wars up which is unleashed by those whose interests diverge from those of the majority, then you didn’t study at school

                        specially for the gifted.
                        the goal of the revolution was not to ensure "a breakthrough in the social sphere and equalization of the rights of everyone" but the collapse of the state and the transformation of its fragments into brushwood for the fire of the world revolution.
                        who changed this position and by what measures I have already said. and it is simply amazing how you justify one demolition of the state (revolution) and condemn the other (90s), and yet it is essentially the same.
                        and here and there the slogans were almost the same
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Your positive examples are episodic and are not able to interrupt the negative trend.

                        a change in taxation, a controlling stake in the resource-extracting industries, an increase in the standard of living of the population, and the revival of the army.
                        THIS do you call NEGATIVE TRENDS? !!!
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Can I tell you who the fists are?

                        I know this without you and goraaaazdo more.
                        however, you forgot about such a small thing as war, devastation, famine and intervention.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        But I don’t agree with you - it was not justified, it was LEGAL AND JUST

                        probably those who tore the country to pieces, organized terror, set brother against brother - also covered themselves with slogans of justice.
                        think about it when you have to shoot your neighbor simply because he thinks differently.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        but here you would like to ... on a file and a wheelbarrow ..
                        Dude - you're stupid, but really burning! : good

                        that is, you agree to the car or at home on the couch prefer to heroize?
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And you mean bi-polar ..

                        Search through the comments.

                        I am MULTIPOLAR and see the situation from many angles
                        and in your posts there are no decisions and answers
                        only "poo - thief"
                        and "take and divide everything."
                        and nothing more.
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 18 January 2014 00: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Rider
                        specially for the gifted
                        - a revolution in a particular sphere of life is the goal of certain actions, and not an instrument - learn the conceptual apparatus.
                        and the collapse of the state and the transformation of its fragments into brushwood for the fire of the world revolution
                        Read Starikov less.
                        who changed this position and by what measures I have already said
                        Stalin - the logical continuation of Lenin & ko.
                        how do you justify one demolition of the state (revolution) and condemn the other (90s)
                        Apparently, unlike you, I am able to distinguish revolution from counter-revolution.
                        But this is essentially the same thing.
                        How do you like to replace concepts laughing.
                        and here and there the slogans were almost the same
                        On business, dear man
                        tax change, etc.
                        According to my comments climb
                        however, you forgot about such a small thing as war, devastation, famine and intervention
                        So who started all this - revolutionaries or reactionaries ?.
                        probably those who tore the country to pieces, organized terror, set brother against brother - also covered themselves with slogans of justice
                        Nea - traditional and religious values
                        shoot a neighbor simply because he thinks differently
                        Stop driving the blizzard
                        prefer to be heroic
                        I prefer not to be heroic
                        I am MULTIPOLAR and see the situation from many angles
                        So you don’t see the essence?
                        and in your posts there are no solutions and answers only "poo - thief"
                        And decisions, and answers, and - yes, a thief (or do you think he was just asked for it with a cartridge from St. Petersburg?)
                        and "take and divide everything."
                        and nothing more.
                        Yeah? laughing It is to select and divide, and not to annul the unconstitutional scam and transfer assets to state administration? smile
                      5. Rider
                        Rider 18 January 2014 00: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        - a revolution in a particular sphere of life is the goal of certain actions, and not an instrument

                        and the death of millions is so - statistics.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Read Starikov less.

                        Stalin - the logical continuation of Lenin & ko.

                        aha.gr war famine and intervention, this is probably also fiction, and by the way, and who do you think of Trotsky Bukharin, etc., probably fighters for the working people

                        you are naive.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Apparently, unlike you, I am able to distinguish revolution from counter-revolution.

                        How do you like to replace concepts

                        Yes, these concepts and terms were given to you, you look at the result
                        split state, the death of millions, war.
                        I repeat that ONLY the IVS pulled Russia off the road of the "world revolution" and ALL socialist transformations are his merit, and not at all "fiery revolutionaries"
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        According to my comments climb

                        and give an example weak?
                        with date and time is desirable
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Stop driving the blizzard

                        I prefer not to be heroic

                        do you think that social transformation, change of ownership, replacement of "elites" will be painless?
                        No, you definitely don’t know the story.
                        and yes, you are not a hero; you are a kitchen strategist.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And decisions, and answers, and - yes, a thief (or do you think he was just asked for it with a cartridge from St. Petersburg?)

                        I hot somewhere said that Pu is holy and ideal?
                        he has enough sins and miscalculations
                        however, you and your ilk prefer to see only the cons.
                        Well, which of us thinks in black and white categories?
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Yeah? It is to select and divide, and not to annul the unconstitutional scam and transfer assets to state administration?

                        and what do you think is done by returning a controlling stake to the state and putting taxation in order 7
                        yes slowly and not quite as it should, but the alternatives are much worse.

                        the revolutionaries do not understand.

                        I’m leaving for Sim, we’ll continue tomorrow, I will be in the evening.

                        and try to give ARGUMENTS and not just slogans.
                      6. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 18 January 2014 13: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Rider
                        and the death of millions
                        is a crime committed by her opponents (such as you for example)
                        yeah. war war famine and intervention, this is probably also fiction
                        And this of course, too, Lenin laughing Take the red from Ava - you’ll be more suitable for Edrosov-blue.
                        who do you consider Trotsky Bukharin, etc.
                        I think you look like them, and together you look like radishes - red on the outside and white on the inside.
                        look at the result
                        split state, the death of millions, war
                        So I say that if the above example happens, you will not resist.
                        ITT ONLY pulled
                        Due to the fact that the theoretical calculations were untenable.
                        ALL socialist transformations are his merit
                        But Lenin and the rest, not afraid to take responsibility for the country, of course, nothing to do with laughing
                        and give an example weak?
                        Lazy. You can go to my profile and see publications with comments.
                        you think that social transformation will be painless
                        Do you think that 2/3 of the poor and the constant reduction of social responsibility of the state are painless?
                        you are not a hero you are a kitchen strategist
                        Look who's Talking.
                        you and others like you prefer to see only cons
                        No, dear man — I and my kind, who distinguish cons, norm and pluses, perfectly see the minuses and norm — pluses, alas, I can’t see, because there are none.
                        Well, which of us thinks in black and white categories?
                        You.
                        and what do you think is being done by returning a controlling stake to the state
                        Nationalization of losses.
                        and putting taxation in order
                        In order? laughing Is order when a beggar pays more than a billionaire?
                        and try to give ARGUMENTS and not just slogans.
                        Only after you hi
                      7. Rider
                        Rider 18 January 2014 18: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        is a crime committed by her opponents

                        as I understand it, the White Guards organized the Red Terror.
                        Ah ah ah
                        think before you write
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And this, of course, too, Lenin laughing Red from Ava, take it off - you’ll be more edrosovsko-blue.

                        You answer on the topic.
                        or the revolution was staged by the Martians.
                        so I personally think that the one who called for the overthrow of power is guilty of blood and deprivation.
                        Or maybe you think that on the current Maidan in / in Ukraine, the golden eagle is to blame?
                        something you have with the evidence base of inconsistency
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Lazy. You can go to my profile and see publications with comments.

                        that is - blah blah blah
                        Well, it’s clear - the ryvolucioner is indoor.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Do you think that 2/3 of the poor

                        But to prove weakly with digits, and data?
                        here according to my data, the population of Russia living below the poverty line does not exceed 20%, please provide your data if not a balobol.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        No, dear man - I and others like me, distinguishing minuses, norm and pluses

                        I ask you to give examples when you recognized the advantages of the current "redhead" with links pliiiz
                        don't be unfounded
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        In order? laughing Order is when a beggar pays more than a billionaire?

                        Only after you

                        and so on points
                        bring the tax rate for the oligarchs, and for ordinary people, if you do not prove that the people are MORE than the oil pumps you - BALABOL
                        Well, about my arguments and evidence.

                        my yesterday's post from 14:36 ​​and 14:50 there are EXAMPLES AND RESULTS of the work of the current "redhead"
                        take the trouble to bring your ARGUMENTS.

                        don't be a FOOTBALL
                      8. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 18 January 2014 19: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Rider
                        as I understand it, the White Guards organized the Red Terror
                        Well, you are not, of course: the whites and their friends from the Entente merely created concentration camps in Russia and slaughtered all those who disagree (this is a mere trifle). But the red animals - yes, just not humans - dared to stop those who cut them and shot them with punitive methods.
                        or Martians staged a revolution
                        I repeat once again - deign to familiarize yourself with the term "revolution".
                        he who called for the overthrow of power is to blame for blood and privations
                        Of course !!! laughing Of course, the one who dared to repulse the robber and killer, and not the robber and killer, is to blame!
                        is the golden eagle to blame?
                        What are you - "Berkut" by definition can not be guilty of anything! They are forced people - they beat whoever they command. And it is not their fault that they were not given an order to knead the provocateurs.
                        well it is clear
                        Said room protector of neoliberals.
                        but to prove weakly with numbers and data
                        No problem - how much tenge do you need for good nutrition per year (provided there is no garden)?
                        I ask for examples
                        And I repeat to you that there are no pluses and there is nothing to recognize.
                        don't be a FOOTBALL
                        Dividends - 9%, personal income tax - 13%, payroll tax - 34%.
                      9. Rider
                        Rider 18 January 2014 19: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Well, what are you - no, of course: the whites and their friends from the Entente just created concentration camps on the territory of Russia and slaughtered all those who disagree (this is a mere trifle).

                        SO YOU DECIDED TO ANSWER - PERFECT!
                        and you recall as a result of which the war and intervention took place?
                        probably it was Nikolashka who fussed in advance or Alekseev (chief of the General Staff) invited the "allies"
                        you at least think some examples as answers give.
                        otherwise your white and green ones will become guilty of repressions of the Cheka.
                        you probably have not heard anything about the hostage taking and mass shootings of the "rotten class"
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        I repeat once again - deign to familiarize yourself with the term "revolution".

                        I repeat once again learn to distinguish between SLOGONS and their RESULTS.

                        slogan WE we will live well, does not mean that we will live well EXACTLY WE.

                        this incidentally is directly related to the topic of the article under discussion.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Of course !!! laughing Of course, the one who dared to repulse the robber and killer, and not the robber and killer, is to blame!

                        in your terminology, the victim of the robber subsequently failed not only the thief, but his family, neighbors and acquaintances.
                        Is the victim swaying?

                        and I'm waiting for confirmation about the "poor people" and decipher the gibberish with interest and do not forget the reference.

                        By the way, and the fact that Russia has become the 1st European economy is not an achievement?
                        or will you deny it?
                        increase in fertility, decrease in alcohol consumption.
                        probably for you this is below the line of understanding.


                        so I'm waiting for confirmation, not blah blah blah
                      10. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 18 January 2014 20: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: Rider
                        and you recall as a result of which the war and intervention took place?
                        Be kind.

                        probably it was Nikolashka who fussed in advance or Alekseev (chief of the General Staff) invited the "allies"
                        Shaw - is Lenin to blame again ?! belay

                        in repressions of the Cheka
                        You take a dictionary - you see the meaning of the term "repression"

                        you probably have not heard anything about the hostage taking and mass shootings of the "rotten class"
                        Will you tell me anything?

                        learn to distinguish between slogans
                        Please enlighten - what does the term "revolution" have to do with slogans? And remember - the socialist revolution did happen, or not?

                        slogan WE we will live well, does not mean that we will live well
                        Really? But Vova Putin does not know. laughing

                        Is the victim swaying?
                        No, because "according to my terminology" the family, neighbors and acquaintances of the killers decided to take revenge.
                        Once again - finish chasing the blizzard of innocent victims.

                        decrypt abracadabra
                        If you don’t know what dividends, personal income tax and payroll are, how are you going to talk about this with me?

                        RUSSIA BECAME THE 1st ECONOMY OF EUROPE
                        Seriously? And not the 2nd hour, and then only in terms of PPP GDP?

                        increased fertility, reduced alcohol consumption
                        Legal alcohol began to be consumed really less, an increase in the birth rate (this is not the same as an increase in the number) is due to a surge in the birth rate from the 80th to the 90th year.

                        And somehow I did not notice the answer to the question about the financial level of the diet that you consider to be complete.
                      11. Rider
                        Rider 18 January 2014 21: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Be kind.

                        Shaw - is Lenin to blame again ?!

                        and the revolution and the war war Martians muddied?
                        what you fool include
                        staged a butch in Russia and anyone is to blame just not them.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        You take a dictionary - you see the meaning of the term "repression"

                        you don’t go off topic enough verbiage, the victims of the Red Terror and the war of war do not care, as it was later called
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Really? But Vova Putin doesn’t know

                        learn to answer YOUR words and slogans, not blaming others
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Once again - finish chasing the blizzard of innocent victims.

                        once again stop verbiage and admit who started the revolution and the war.
                        enough already to hover in an alternate reality
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        If you don’t know what dividends, personal income tax and payroll are, how are you going to talk about this with me?

                        Seriously? And not the 2nd hour, and then only in terms of PPP GDP?

                        I cited the source above, but I’ll wait for something from you, or, as always, verbal diarrhea.
                        and by the way, you don’t know where on this very PPP Russia was in 90--00?
                        probably she got there by magic
                        where are the links, data, numbers?
                        you blurted out that 2/3 of Russia's population are poor - PROVE.
                        that the rich pay LESS taxes than the rest - CONFIRM YOUR WORDS!
                        declare that the surge in fertility is due to the peak of 80-90x- JUSTIFY
                        such as the state maternity support program

                        don't be a FOOTBALL

                        I WAIT FOR DIGITS
                      12. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 18 January 2014 22: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Rider
                        made a butch in russia
                        - those who were against socialism (Russia - with a capital letter)

                        to the victims of red terror and war
                        - there were those who started this war, and those whom these "victims" began to cut.

                        learn to answer YOUR words and slogans
                        Give me one of my slogans.

                        once again stop verbiage and admit who started the revolution and the war
                        Reactionaries. White.

                        I cited the source above
                        I gave everyone the well-known numbers - you can check the tax rates yourself.

                        in what place at this very faculty was Russia in 90--00?
                        More specifically.

                        probably she got there by magic
                        Why by magic? for this there is a rise and price difference.

                        you blurted out that 2/3 of Russia's population are poor - PROVE
                        For food in the Russian Federation, 10 tyr per month is needed, another 10 tyr for everything else. 20000 rubles - the real cost of living. You’ll see the distribution of income below.

                        that the rich pay LESS taxes than the rest - CONFIRM YOUR WORDS
                        I told you the rates.

                        declare that the surge in fertility is due to the peak of 80-90x- JUSTIFY
                        Find the birth rate dynamics by year in the network.

                      13. Rider
                        Rider 18 January 2014 23: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        - those who were against socialism

                        Do you think that Lenin Trotsky and others were against socialism?
                        what do you smoke
                        return to the real world
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        became those who started this war, and those whom these "victims" began to cut.

                        wake up how the Reds started a war could become victims of the terror unleashed by them.
                        switch to less severe drugs.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Give me one of my slogans.

                        and who is advocating revolution?
                        already start talking
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        More specifically.

                        for this there is a rise and price difference.

                        just type in google Russia's GDP and compare the data for 90-00-12
                        if you find there a DECREASE in income, then just stop indulging in hallucinagens.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        For food in the Russian Federation, 10 tyr per month is needed, another 10 tyr for everything else. 20000 rubles - the real cost of living. You’ll see the distribution of income below.

                        so we have 2 out of 3 starving?
                        did you understand what table you brought?
                        the income of the population is clearly visible there, at least TWO TIMES
                        off to the count
                        - revenues of 15 - 000
                        increase from 11 to 25%
                        FOR SEVEN YEARS!
                        miracle you (oh you) in feathers
                        you don’t know what you’re posting.

                        so I'm waiting for confirmation of your statement about 2/3 of poor Russians and the fact that the rich pay LESS TAXES.

                        and at the same time, and by birth, refresh your knowledge.

                        get ready, tomorrow afternoon, I'll come check.
                        and don’t screw it up like this time

                        actually as always
                      14. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 19 January 2014 14: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Rider
                        return to the real world
                        I’m coming back: correct me if I’m wrong - a civil war is a war that people start and take part in, who are dissatisfied with any prolonged situation or changes, and they are at war with citizens who are happy - right?
                        The Bolsheviks, being a small party, managed to come to power and become Power (that is, they were supported, if not by the vast majority of the population, then at least a large part of it). How could they start a civil war? Against whom did they start it - against themselves?

                        and who here stands for revolution
                        I. For the social revolution, for the restoration of socialism (which should replace the restored feudalism)
                        I certainly advocate for the above, but where did you see the slogans, eh? Or do you again have problems with the conceptual apparatus, and again you write not at all what you mean?

                        if you find there DECREASE in income
                        Madhouse ... laughing
                        Please tell me - what, your division, does GDP have to do with income, and to which income? What, plaque fly, is this GDP in your opinion?

                        so we have 2 out of 3 starving
                        65% below the poverty line smile

                        you yourself figured out what table brought
                        Yes.

                        growth of household incomes at least TWO TIMES
                        Yeah ?! Seriously?! laughing
                        Or maybe there is visible growth in income in nominal terms?
                        Especially for the victims of the bloody regime: the real cost of living in the Russian Federation in the 12th year - 20 thousand rubles - see the percentage of the population with incomes below this level (in the 12th! Year).

                        so I'm waiting for confirmation of your statement about 2/3 of poor Russians and the fact that the rich pay LESS TAXES
                        Memory losses?
                      15. Rider
                        Rider 19 January 2014 17: 28
                        -2
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Coming back: correct me if I'm wrong

                        here you are making a common mistake here.
                        the Bolsheviks displaced legal power by means of a coup, which means that those who wanted to overthrow them did not do anything that the Reds themselves did not.
                        here we come back to the fact that initially there was still not a socialist revolution, but a bourgeois change of power (notice the legitimate one) that the tsar denied giving all the fullness to the government.
                        so a revolution would not have happened, and these events were called rebellion.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        I. For the social revolution, for the restoration of socialism (which should replace the restored feudalism)

                        I am also on the side of socialism, however, unlike some idialists and room strategists, I prefer not to start a new unrest
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Please tell me - what, your division, does GDP have to do with income, and to which income? What, plaque fly, is this GDP in your opinion?

                        you gave a graph there below, there it seems Russian in white painted over how population incomes are growing
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        65% below the poverty line

                        LIAR!
                        look poke your nose
                        23,3% of the population is below the poverty line in Russia
                        http://www.zarplata.ru/n-id-2468.html
                        there is more data but ANYWHERE they do not exceed 25-30%

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        so I'm waiting for confirmation of your statement about 2/3 of poor Russians and the fact that the rich pay LESS TAXES
                        Memory losses?

                        your yesterday post from 13:22Is order when a beggar pays more than a billionaire? you get off the wheels, it affects memory badly
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Especially for the victims of the bloody regime: the real cost of living in the Russian Federation in the 12th year is 20 thousand rubles

                        HERE ARE YOU STARS as the idol of all ryvolutsionery - Trotsky
                        SIZE OF LIVING MINIMUM IN GENERAL BY THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION 2012, 2013http://www.assessor.ru/forum/index.php?t=1564

                        what dear balobol?
                        screwed up as always?
                        you would have to pull up the knowledge by which you are trying to argue.

                        and don’t hope that I’ll cry from you, I’ll beat you with YOURSELF.
                      16. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 19 January 2014 22: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Rider
                        Bolsheviks shifted legal power
                        Was Kerensky, who dismissed the Cabinet, the legitimate authority? laughing

                        initially there was still not a socialist revolution, but a bourgeois revolution
                        Who is arguing?

                        change of power (note legal) the king denied passing all the fullness to the government
                        And how legitimate was the power of Romanov? When the elected prince turned into a hereditary king and why on earth?

                        Tell me what date do you consider to be the beginning of a civil one and why?

                        do not start a new turmoil
                        I think that we have clarified the essence of your position above.

                        there seem Russian in white painted on how population incomes are growing
                        Yeah - face value excluding inflation.

                        look poke your nose
                        Come on, you won’t try to poke me anywhere, since you are a tama, and I am a tut. I didn’t just ask you a question about the annual cost of a full meal: if you answer it, I’ll explain it with an example.

                        there is more data
                        What do you poke me some data if I give you statistics from Rosstat? laughing
                        And here comes the interpretation: officially, 13% of the population lives in the Russian Federation for B / W, but officially it is 7633 rubles for the able-bodied, and this amount, at best, is enough for not very nutritious food.

                        you get off the wheels, it affects memory badly
                        Be kind enough to look through passive income, personal income tax, and payroll rates through a search engine yourself - I’m stupidly lazy to type in addresses or make screenshots of links to sites with well-known info.

                        SIZE OF LIVING MINIMUM
                        See above.

                        and don’t hope that I’ll cry from you, I’ll beat you with YOURSELF.
                        laughing

                        Learn at last what revolution is

                      17. Rider
                        Rider 20 January 2014 18: 16
                        0
                        since you continue to bear ... er, nonsense, I will answer below.
  • Far East
    Far East 18 January 2014 03: 31
    0
    Quote: Yarosvet
    already answered for you: you are ready to sing any hymn.

    Yarosvet, do not go into polemics with him! it is worth reading it and everything becomes clear, like God's day! drinks
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  • vlad0
    vlad0 17 January 2014 08: 19
    +7
    "Kommersant journalist Oleg Kashin, referring to the secular observer Bozena Rynska, wrote on his Twitter that the" regiment "arrived for ......"

    More "reliable" sources and "reliable" information, the history of Russia has not yet known !!! lol
    Such an enemy evokes a "feeling of pity for the poor."
  • pawel1961
    pawel1961 17 January 2014 08: 32
    +1
    suggests itself as that. what a lie, and this is all the same lie. need to answer.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 17 January 2014 08: 33
    +2
    Yes, it’s amazing that some politicians are ready to get power and fame, just some sort of thing. People are sorry people Ukrainians wake up already look around your country is falling apart and dying enough Maidan it’s time to urgently reanimate the country.
  • major071
    major071 17 January 2014 08: 35
    +8
    Jackaliers, feeling that they are losing influence, begin to frighten the people with "Russian special forces." I would not be surprised if soon some (or some) "smart guy" appears who will declare that in order to tear Ukraine away from Geyropa, Lukashenko sent Belarusian "partisans" to the Ukrainian forests to derail trains and generally impede the development of Ukrainian industry.
    If there is nothing in the head, then this is for a long time.
  • demotivator
    demotivator 17 January 2014 08: 57
    0
    The strangest phenomenon in the Russian political space is, of course, liberals. They mean liberals, not economic, but political. Which are for freedom of speech and against the "bloody gebni", well, and against the "popularly elected", for the company. Since 1993, the Russian state has pursued a very specific policy, which can hardly be called liberal. And, nevertheless, it is the liberals who are constantly on the horse. After another epic loss, it seems that they are about to disappear in the maelstrom of time. But no, they do not disappear, and again on stage. Chubais, Yasin, Nemtsov and the company, albeit in the shadows, have not disappeared!
    1. olviko
      olviko 17 January 2014 12: 33
      0
      "Chubais, Yasin, Nemtsov and the company, although in the shadows, have not gone anywhere!"

      Brain liberalism is a disease and does not seem to be curable.
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 18 January 2014 18: 29
      0
      Quote: demotivator
      After another epic loss, it seems that they are about to disappear in the maelstrom of time. But no, they do not disappear, and again on stage.


      ... like in a one-man theater
  • VADEL
    VADEL 17 January 2014 09: 01
    0
    Khloponin said well about such scribes
  • jjj
    jjj 17 January 2014 09: 10
    0
    Not long left. The accounting of all "active social activists" on the Internet has been established. And those who suck at the western womb, and those who dress up in the rags of "the true defender of the people." Anyone who mischief Russia, regardless of color, will be rewarded
  • demotivator
    demotivator 17 January 2014 09: 12
    +7
    "If someone ruins Russia, it will not be communists, not anarchists, but damned liberals." F.M.Dostoevsky. And he's right ...
    All the predictions of the great Russian writer come true with terrifying accuracy and continue to come true in our time ...
    "Liberal reforms" - this is when an ordinary person becomes much worse than it was.
    “Price liberalization” means rampant price increases.
    “Tax liberalization" is when the rich pay proportionally less than the poor.
    "Liberalization of criminal law" - when killers, pedophiles, maniacs are ridiculous terms and are at large.
    "Liberal" has become just a swear word. Something like "an unscrupulous liar, a clever liar, a fraud."
    “For me, the liberal is the one for whom money comes first,” said political observer Maxim Shevchenko. And the political scientist Mikhail Delyagin claims: "The peculiarity of liberal culture is its self-interest ... Liberal consciousness is totalitarian, it has a tough division of the world into friends and foes."
  • Same lech
    Same lech 17 January 2014 09: 22
    +3
    Well, actually, lately, liberals have become ill with fantasy — that's why they live isolated from the masses of people and want to see the world in a blue-orange-rainbow look.

    And this gap will continue to increase for the simple reason that there is NOTHING to offer them to our people, other than liberal reforms that have snapped up.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 17 January 2014 10: 19
    +4
    You can’t get a fish out of a pond without lies. Liberals have always suggested not distributing fish from the pond, but distributing fishing rods to the proletariat for fishing. But they were silent that they had previously suppressed with dynamite and raked everything out of the reservoir. So the privatization voucher youth of our beautiful liberals passed. Amen!
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 17 January 2014 10: 26
    +6
    Glad for our special forces (with one mention) to bring terror and panic to liberals and gorlopans from different countries !!! bully
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 17 January 2014 10: 48
    +1
    Liberals these anointed ones Western "champions" for the "expansion of democracy" in Russia and Ukraine have no nationality. This is a legion of obscurantists who hate both Russia and Ukraine. For handouts from overseas and the European Union, they are ready to "broadcast" and repeat lies 24 hours a day. The well-known Mr. Goebbels said: "a lie repeated many times becomes true" So, gentlemen, today's liberals, you are direct "descendants" of the main ideologue of fascism.
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz 17 January 2014 10: 53
    +3
    "The brutal beating of people and journalists
    ... good
  • crambol
    crambol 17 January 2014 11: 29
    0
    The grosser the lie, the faster they believe in it!
    Joseph Goebbels.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 January 2014 11: 39
    +2
    Lord liberals, faithful servants of the US State Department. And no matter how they try to wash themselves off from this is a fact. Almost all or all of what they do in Russia is sabotage to one degree or another. It is unfortunate that the patriots in power do not have the strength to remove this infection from the power structures, where it was brought in during the EBN Chubais, Gaidar and others ... Now the question is about the survival of the Russian world, a total information war has been unleashed against Russia. but in general the question is whether we will remain in history as a people.
  • DMB-78
    DMB-78 17 January 2014 11: 50
    0
    yeahhhh, nonsense about special forces from Russia inflicted full pants))))) and I was killed by the fact that the special forces spoke Russian like Russian)))))))))))))) checkmate in Ukrainian, something new ))))))))))
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 17 January 2014 12: 06
    0
    here are a couple of examples

    "Calomniez, calomniez, il en restera toujours quelque chose" - slander, slander, something will always remain from this
    “The worse the lie, the easier it is to believe it” - Dr. Joseph Goebbels.
    not invented by them. Indeed, such a method is not new, alas, it has always been ...
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 17 January 2014 12: 51
      0
      Or easier: throw ***, something sticks ...
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 17 January 2014 13: 34
    0
    Not everything is so simple as some are trying to prove they "took care" for the people! After all, the article does not speak about the government and the President, but about the fact that they want to plunge us into another chaos and who is behind it. So dear, if only during the Second World War our people held a meeting, and did not fight with enemies, then where would Russia be? At the moment we are facing an abyss into which the so-called "partners" and their servants from among the "liberal traitors" are trying to push us once again. They have entrenched themselves in all echelons of power and therefore such ridiculous punishments for actual betrayal of the Motherland (although they do not exist and have never had a homeland). And those who, instead of trying to understand the reasons and culprits of this mess, dump everything from a "sick" head to a "healthy" one. For more than 20 years, liberals and all sorts of "belolentochniki" ruled the country and where are they brought, and now - "Putin is to blame for everything." All this is done at the instigation of Western patrons and out of fear of impending retaliation. (They, after all, also remember the slogan "no one is forgotten and nothing is forgotten"). And it's enough to "powder" our brains - "we ourselves with a mustache" - God will let us figure it out! And remember the commandment: "I will repay!"
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 January 2014 19: 43
      -2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      and now- "Putin is to blame for everything"
  • Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 17 January 2014 14: 14
    +5
    I was surprised the Russians in the comments, Especially vladsolo56who started srach. The article about the fact that the security forces are substituted even in international terms, and they are about bad Putin and housing and communal services. You have no conscience. The topic is not about sausage and inaccessible chewing gum. Tired of Putin? So please, in the next branch, Primakov and his conservative views on the current liberalization of the current economy of the Russian Federation are being discussed. You can damn Medvedev and Putin there. There, please, why have you guessed the topic about the guys from the special forces, who have been substituted since the 1989 year?

    You are no different then from maydanutyhwho so mocked at real men, who simply serve the Motherland, are forced to take off their helmets and masks, through the corridor of shame:

    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 17 January 2014 15: 09
      0
      That's right, took the conversation aside. And if we talk about the topic
      Liberals lie on one manuals

      then on this site even photographs of leaflets in Arabic from Egypt and their Ukrainian counterpart were given. Glory to the god of snipers, as usual, was not. Everywhere where one needs to sow devastation, there is only one trace, regardless liberals are not liberals (we have liberals). And what a lie is normal, because the goals are contrary to popular necessity and involve more people (they play on the nerves, and some do not realize). That's sucked from the finger repeat .
  • negeroi
    negeroi 17 January 2014 16: 24
    +1
    Everyone lies according to the same scheme. And liberals, and not very. The same discovery to me. The lies do not change because old proven scarecrows work, why invent new ones? Politics is war, and as smart people say, war is an art of deception .It’s not that annoying such articles are, but they really hurt. For the reason that I said above. In the sense that not a single politician is telling the truth. Because any politician is at war and cannot tell the truth, everyone methods of deceiving the enemy, competitors. But these are well-known facts. But no, the participants of the war throw politicians into stupid masses, articles and articles. That’s annoying because the authors of the articles consider people to be stupid cattle, and the articles are corrupting the already bright brains of citizens .Involving citizens in their games and their war. Lenin called the citizens involved Useful idiots. And they all lie, only politicians do it professionally. But it was and will be, not news at all. All the same maidan will be shocked and cheated threat. We are handled by craftsmen from our side. And there are also internal showdowns, wars, and not streams, sea, oceans of nonsense, of all kinds and degrees of complexity and beneficiaries.
    1. Rider
      Rider 17 January 2014 16: 48
      0
      Well, how can I tell you ...
      In principle, I agree with you.
      BUT
      since you mentioned war, I’ll tell you so.
      the one who decides to act honestly in war will ALWAYS lose to the one who is cunning.

      and for this reason, if ONLY the truth is said in the media space, then those involved in stuffing and tricking will look more profitable.


      something like this.
      1. negeroi
        negeroi 17 January 2014 16: 55
        0
        But how do you distinguish truth from untruth? In words, they are the same only in different order. There are samples of certificates that are honest with honesty. If people in their mass and habit are incapable of distinguishing truth from lies, then nobody in your media space Besides those who can distinguish. But that's all. It is precisely because of this that they lie that people and nations are unable to distinguish between lies and truth.
        1. Rider
          Rider 17 January 2014 17: 13
          0
          Quote: negeroi
          And how do you distinguish truth from untruth?

          Vaabscheto I (if my client was someone else) could say "but did you try to use your head?"

          but I’ll answer you more correctly.

          check the information from several sources, compare words and deeds, analyze.
          and most importantly try to look at problems / statements / slogans in the GLOBAL aspect.

          nothing happens on its own, everything has reasons and every phenomenon is beneficial to someone.

          Naturally this is beyond the power of many.
          and not because "well, stupid"
          but some of them simply don’t have the necessary sources, while others do not have their heads clogged, but the third one doesn’t care at all.
          but here for yourself (and your friends / relatives / acquaintances) you will be able to draw certain conclusions (if you want)

          I repeat once again, the info war will not accept the ABSOLUTE truth.
          broadcasting the truth will ALWAYS be the loser.
          That is why all non-profit media are crammed with the "truth of TM" and TV channels are full of chernukha and hahatayki.

          you choose which side you are on.
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      3. Far East
        Far East 18 January 2014 03: 35
        0
        Quote: Rider
        I’ll tell you so.
        the one who decides to act honestly in war will ALWAYS lose to the one who is cunning.

        this is the logic! IRON! wassat victory, on the side of the TRUTH! hi soldier
  • negeroi
    negeroi 17 January 2014 18: 44
    +3
    Um ... I actually tried to draw your attention to the fact that truthful information has no advantages over untruthful. And most people are unable to distinguish between truth, nor think, nor analyze. You see, at least half of this site joyfully yells _Zig Heil! -practically for any reason. And the information itself, its sources, as you know, are divided into authoritative publications, and agencies, mass and yellow. They all lie. Only business business publications lie less, because it’s hard to lie to those who themselves makes reality. But they lie there. In terms of recognition and separation, I spat, Thanks for the advice, we do it.))
  • crambol
    crambol 17 January 2014 18: 48
    +1
    Quote: Rider
    I repeat once again, the info war does not accept the ABSOLUTE truth.
    broadcasting the truth will ALWAYS be the loser.


    Very cynical, but, unfortunately, absolutely true for the modern world!
  • negeroi
    negeroi 17 January 2014 18: 55
    0
    And the shutter about using your head is just my favorite trick.)) But I am on the side of my people, in the sense I never choose, the other thing is that the people are not always on my side, because they are running after the Red-faced and the liar.
  • negeroi
    negeroi 17 January 2014 18: 55
    0
    And the shutter about using your head is just my favorite trick.)) But I am on the side of my people, in the sense I never choose, the other thing is that the people are not always on my side, because they are running after the Red-faced and the liar.
  • alone
    alone 17 January 2014 20: 53
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    Politics - is based on lies. All politicians, without exception, are liars and unprincipled. The people are just a pity. And they both believe in liars))
    1. Rider
      Rider 17 January 2014 21: 02
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      Quote: lonely
      People just feel sorry. And those and others just believe liars))

      yes, but sooner or later, people begin to figure out where the truth is and where the lie.

      at least the majority and in one generation.

      I think the vaccine in the nineties gave the people a decent immunity to info-campaigns.
  • crambol
    crambol 17 January 2014 22: 10
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    According to her, Putin is at a low start to "gnaw off" a piece of our territory.

    Just not from this ..... please!
  • Rider
    Rider 20 January 2014 19: 03
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    1- it means that the Bolsheviks turned out to be the legitimate authority, overthrowing the government by force, and shooting dissatisfied.
    Odaaako.
    Nikolashka is illegitimate for you, temporary ones too, but the Reds, having arranged an armed coup, are a legitimate government.
    but what about the numerous peasant uprisings all over the country?
    Cossack rebellion white movement?
    you become like a "democratic society"
    who is not with us - a bloody dictator
    are you definitely a communist?
    it really hurts in the style of thinking (?) to look like swamps.
    2-
    And here comes the interpretation: officially for B / W in the Russian Federation lives 13% of the population, but officially it is 7633 rubles for the able-bodied,

    that is, you again lied about 2/3 ah ah ah.
    and someone claimed that pr min - 20 000
    before you blurt out the next time, at least look at the training manual.
    Maybe there is the latest information on the economy.
    3-
    Be nice to see passive income, personal income tax, and payroll rates through a search engine yourself - I'm stupidly lazy to type in addresses or take screenshots

    what again is nothing concrete?
    and why I am not surprised.

    Well, the last about the terms and slogans.
    you say "revolution" think that you just have to overthrow the gang Pu, and immediately everyone will be happy.
    So, Mr. idealist.
    revolution is blood, poverty, hunger, foreign intervention, and inevitable war.
    this is understandable to anyone who has studied history, and who is able to compare the French, Russian and German revolutions and their consequences for countries and peoples.

    but enough slogans
    let's move on to the specifics
    Will you be responsible for your words?
    with numbers, links, EVIDENCE.

    and not as usual blah blah blah.

    I'll wait.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 20 January 2014 21: 04
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      Quote: Rider
      shooting discontented
      Who and when?

      nikolashka is illegitimate for you, temporary ones, too, but the Reds having arranged an armed coup - a legitimate government
      Of course - the majority supported them.

      But what about the white movement with the numerous peasant uprisings throughout the country of the Cossack uprising?
      The reactionary, often separatist-minded minority (whose politics and ideology led to the events of the 17th) is fueled by priests and the West, and is engaged in banditry and dismemberment of the country.

      are you definitely a communist?
      I wrote somewhere that I am a communist?

      it’s painful for the style of thinking (?)
      Do you know their way of thinking well? laughing

      and someone claimed that pr min - 20 000
      Reread the discussion - suddenly you find the word "real" before the term "living wage". yes

      why am I not surprised
      Through the search engine - forward and with the song.

      revolution is blood, poverty, hunger, foreign intervention, and inevitable war
      In accordance with a sick imagination (with which I congratulate you)

      I'll wait.
      Wait. And I will wait for an answer to the question posed and repeatedly repeated by me.
      1. Rider
        Rider 20 January 2014 21: 37
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        so "dear" apponent, stop talking.
        I understand that you will not give numbers and links, because you do not know the data, but all that you can do is throw yourself with slogans.

        you cannot confirm your words with FACTS.
        to prove his innocence LINKS are not in a state.

        you merged

        and yes, you are definitely not a communist (or whoever is a follower of the red project, a lover of socialism), you are a talker and a kitchen ryvolutsioner.
        a fan of throwing fans.

        and simply - a balobol.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 20 January 2014 23: 11
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          Quote: Yarosvet
          How much tenge do you need for good nutrition per year (provided there is no garden)?
          1. Rider
            Rider 21 January 2014 12: 16
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            Quote: Yarosvet
            How much tenge do you need for good nutrition per year (provided there is no garden)?

            so are you still fluttering?
            Well, let's continue public flogging.
            so a miracle in feathers, look here
            Food basket Russia 2013
            2 609 rub. per month
            http://www.tassgraphics.ru/item?id=30764
            as I understand it, this is the minimum for state employees and pensioners with one salary, for the rest we safely multiply by 3.
            here you have good nutrition.
            where are your 20 "REAL" P / M?
            By the way, what kind of term is this?
            where is it used and by what criteria are displayed?
            Am I from you any figures and facts wait?
            Well, then I decided to poke your nose into your ignorance of history
            about your favorite snatch:
            type in wikiThe French Revolution - Results
            specially for patients from alternative reality The revolution led to huge sacrifices. It is estimated that from 1789 to 1815 up to 2 million civilians died from revolutionary terror in France alone, and up to 2 million soldiers and officers died in wars [20]. Thus, only in revolutionary battles and wars 7,5% of the population of France died (in 1790 the population was 27), not counting those who died during these years from hunger and epidemics. Towards the end of the Napoleonic era, almost no adult men were able to fight in France.
            now about our 17g
            typing wiki againGr war in Russia - consequences
            During the Civil War, from 8 to 13 million people, including about 1 million soldiers of the Red Army, died from hunger, disease, terror and in battles (according to various sources). Up to 2 million people emigrated from the country. The number of street children sharply increased after the First World War and the Civil War. According to some reports, in 1921 there were 4,5 million street children in Russia, and according to other sources, in 1922 there were 7 million street children [99]. The damage to the national economy amounted to about 50 billion gold rubles. Industrial production fell to 4-20% of the 1913 level.
            and now we take your application (a little higher)
            revolution is blood, poverty, hunger, foreign intervention, and inevitable war
            In accordance with a sick imagination (with which I congratulate you)

            that burdock screwed up again?

            so we conclude as to your state of health

            history - does not know
            in the course of economic issues - not versed
            search for the necessary data - does not own
            cannot answer for his words

            conclusion - before us, a representative of the "creative class"
            office hamster
            bog
            Internet fighter with a redhead.

            miracle until the evening, get better prepared, I’ll come check.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 21 January 2014 13: 23
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              Quote: Yarosvet
              Quote: Yarosvet
              How much tenge do you need for good nutrition per year (provided there is no garden)?
              1. Rider
                Rider 21 January 2014 18: 52
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                and that’s all you can problem ... uh, say?
                What shorted you up?
                You are pathetic.
                you are not even interested in kicking.

                adieu

                Pyos si: now I am calm for the country, if everyone in the position is like you, then there will be no revolution.
                since all you can do is tryndet on tyrnet - ..... ...deleted by moderator Apollo.

                ryvolutsioner iPhone.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 21 January 2014 19: 49
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                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  How much tenge do you need for good nutrition per year (provided there is no garden)?