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Chimera Laser Mirages

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In ground or air combat for "power", "destructive" laser weapons no place


October 8 2013 at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (a leading US nuclear research center) on the NIF laser facility for the first time in stories managed to ignite a thermonuclear reaction with a "positive energy output." The installation is a huge factory floor in which the 192 pulsed laser is mounted, 12 years and four billion dollars were spent on its construction.

The thermonuclear target was compressed by a laser pulse with an 1,8 energy of MJ. This is the highest energy level of a single laser pulse that has ever been obtained. Achievement is outstanding. The previous record holders - the Soviet 12-channel installation "Iskra-5" and the American NOVA - generated respectively 30 KJ and 40 KJ impulse. The main Soviet divisional gun of the period of the Great Patriotic War, the famous ZIS-3, had the energy of a single shot at 1,43 MJ. The gun weighed one and a half tons, was distinguished by simplicity and dependability. The anti-aircraft gun of the same caliber (51-K arr. 38) had a shot energy in 2,2 MJ, but it also weighed significantly more - 4,3 tons.

The most powerful continuous-wave laser ever created was the American Alpha, developed by TRW in the late 80s. This chemical hydrogen-fluorine laser with a design power of 2 MW weighed 45 tons, had a length of 24 meters and a width of 4,5 meters. Close to this power (from 1,5 to 1,7 MW) had single-barrel aviation guns developed in the mid-50s: American M-39, English Aden, French Defa. The weight of all three guns (excluding the weight of ammunition) was approximately the same: 80–82 kilograms.

The most massive air gun of the US Air Force was (and remains to this day) the six-barreled 20-mm M61 "Vulkan", it was put on all fighters, it is also in the stern defensive installation of the strategic bomber B-52. The power of the gun is 5,3 MW, the energy of a single shot is 53 KJ, the weight with the projectile feed system is 190 kilograms, the weight of the entire system with ammunition in 1200 shells is about 0,5 tons. In other words, the "Volcano" is 90 times lighter than the "Alpha" and 2,5 times more powerful.

As far as can be judged by open publications, the most successful of the practically implemented Soviet laser programs was the flying laboratory A-60. This is a heavy cargo plane IL-76, on which units of a powerful gas-dynamic laser were installed. Probably, it was a product of the Voronezh design bureau “Himavtomatika” (under this vague name hid one of the best developers of liquid rocket engines in the USSR), which had the intra-designation RD-0600. On the official website of the KB are its characteristics: radiation power - 100 kW, weight - 760 kilograms, dimensions - 2 x2 x0,6 meters.

However, 760 kilograms is only a radiator with a nozzle device. In order for the device to work, you need to bring to it a “working body”, that is, a stream of hot carbon dioxide under high pressure. Two AI-24 turbojet engines with 2550 horsepower and 600 kilograms each were used as a gas generator. Thus, only these two units (emitter and gas generator), without taking into account everything else (nitrogen cylinders, kerosene for aircraft engines, gas pipelines, aiming optics, instruments of the control system) weighed about two tons. A similar output power (98 KW) had the legendary Soviet aviation 7,62-mm ShKAS machine gun - on the eve of the war they were armed with fighters I-16 and I-153, it was also used as a defensive weapon on the SB and DB-3 bombers. Machine gun weight (without ammunition) was only 11 kilograms.

"Dazzling, thin, straight, like a needle, a beam ..."

Such chains of examples can be continued for a long time, but, as practice shows, what has already been said is enough to bring the lazomanov to a deeply inverse state. “How can you compare a machine gun and a combat laser?” They will shout. “Machine guns shoot hundreds of meters, and the laser beam almost instantly hits targets at a distance of hundreds and thousands of kilometers!”

Chimera Laser Mirages

Thought interesting. Let's count. “Fine, like a needle,” the ray of the hyperboloid of engineer Garin remained at a distance determined by the size of the room at the hotel “Blackbird” - and in this sense Alexei Tolstoy did not sin against scientific truth. At large distances, the fundamental physical law of diffraction divergence begins to clearly manifest itself. There are no thin rays; any optical radiation that passes through a finite-sized “window” is an expanding cone. In the best, ideal case (the active medium of the laser is absolutely homogeneous, the energy input to the medium is also absolutely uniform) the half-angle of the light cone is equal to the partial angle from the division of the wavelength by the diameter of the output window. And now we take a photo of a laser emitter, presented on the site of Khimavtomatika Design Bureau, take a calculator and calculate a little.

The wavelength of a carbon dioxide laser is known exactly - 10,6 microns. The size of the output aperture of the radiator can be “by eye” defined in 15, see. This, by the way, is an excellent result - usually the dimensions of the active zone of gas-dynamic lasers are measured in units of centimeters. Further simple arithmetic shows that already at a distance in 10 km the base of the radiation cone will have (at best, with a divergence equal to the diffraction) diameter in 1,5 m and area in 18 thousand square meters. cm. At a distance in 100 km - 15 m in diameter and 1,8 million square meters. cm square. It is on this huge “spot” that 100 KW of laser output power will be spread.

At a distance in 100 km, the power density in 0,06 W per square meter is obtained. see. Such a "sizzling beam" can be obtained from a flashlight. At a distance of 10 km, 5,6 W per square meter is obtained. see. This is already quite noticeable - but we need not to warm up, but to break the design of the enemy’s aircraft or cruise missile. There are various estimates of the thermal energy required to destroy a target; they all fall within the range from 1 to 20 KJ per square meter. cm.

For example, for the complete evaporation of 1 sq. cm sheet of 3 mm thick need to be “pumped” into it 8 – 10 KJ. The bullet on departure from the barrel AKM carries about 4,4 KJ per square. see. But even the smallest of the mentioned figures (1 KJ) means that laser “shooting” at a distance of 10 km will require holding the radiation spot on the target for 160 seconds. During this time, the subsonic cruise missile will fly 45 km - unless it is shot down on the way from the good old ShKAS.

"In the blue haze melts ..."

The remarkable "efficiency" of a laser weapon obtained in our conventional example can have something to do with reality only when the action takes place in a cosmic vacuum, and the target is a "black body" (it absorbs everything, does not reflect anything). In the atmosphere, everything works much worse, and experts have long known. From open publications it is noteworthy, for example, a report on a study conducted by the American Naval Research Laboratory. Americans were interested in the fate of a laser beam propagating in the surface layers of the atmosphere at more than a modest distance of 5 kilometers.

The fact that the order of 60 – 70 percent of the beam energy is lost “on the way” to the target is not surprising, such a result could be expected in advance. Much more interesting than the other. The graphs obtained by Americans for the dependence of the energy delivered to the target on the laser output power firmly indicate that there is a certain “threshold” of radiated power, upon reaching which any further increase in laser power does not lead to any increase in the impact on the target: the beam energy will be wasted to heat the smallest dust particles and water vapor in an increasing and larger volume of the “air channel” along the beam path. Moreover, in the desert or above the sea this “threshold” is in the 2 – 3 MW range, in the atmosphere of the modern city the threshold power is limited to 200 – 250 kW (these are typical output parameters of a large-caliber machine gun). There is no interesting thing in the published research results - how will the laser beam propagate over the battlefield, enveloped in clouds of smoke and dust?

A concrete idea of ​​the real possibilities of lasers can be given by the experience of practical use of the mobile technological installation MLTC-50, created on the basis of 80's military developments. This is a CO2 gas laser pumped by an electric discharge, operates in a frequency-pulse mode, the energy of a single pulse is 0,5 KJ, the maximum output power is 50 KW. On energy slightly inferior to the German infantry machine gun MG-42. Installation takes two car trailers with a total weight of equipment 48 tons. However, these dimensions and weight do not include the most important thing - an external power supply with a power of 750 KW. In July, 2011, the complex was used in the liquidation of a fire in a gas well, when it was required to remotely cut steel structures that prevented emergency operations. All were successfully cut at a distance of 50 – 70 meters with a focused beam at an absolutely fixed target, having spent only 30 hours of total laser work on this (the whole operation took six days). I remember Garin dealt with the Aniline Company plant faster ...

Brief summary: there is no place for ground-based and / or air combat for “power”, “destructive” laser weapons. A weak beam will not have a noticeable effect on the target design, a strong “smeared” on atmospheric dust and moisture. At medium and even farther distances, the efficiency of a “laser gun” is negligible; in the near zone, air defense tasks can be much more reliably solved by traditional means (high-speed anti-aircraft guns and guided missiles) that are hundreds of times lighter and cheaper. For defense of minor objects, laser air defense is unacceptable. For the protection of strategically important objects, weapons, whose effectiveness depends on dust, rain and fog, are fundamentally unsuitable.

The naked truth of "star wars"

At this point, the dream of "lazermans" are carried high, into the vast expanses of space, where there is no noise, no dust, no absorption, no defocusing of the laser beam - there "laser guns" will unfold to their full power ... Here we will begin with power (power).

There are two fundamental laws of nature that no “breakthrough technologies” can undo. This is the law of conservation of energy and the law of increasing entropy ("the second law of thermodynamics"). A laser is a device in which natural chaos turns into highly organized, coherent and monochromatic light, such a transformation cannot in principle be carried out with high efficiency. The best among the worst is a chemical laser, that is, a device in which the energy of an exothermic chemical reaction directly turns into coherent radiation (bypassing numerous intermediate stages: from heat to mechanical movement, from movement to electricity, from electricity to a light pulse pumping a laser medium). But even for a chemical laser, achievable efficiency is limited to a few percent. And this ultimately means that a laser emitting 5 – 10 MW will heat itself and the surrounding space with a power of 100 – 150 MW.

The indicated power (100 – 150 MW) is the power supply of a small city, it is the main propulsion system of the nuclear aircraft carrier. In order for the “laser gun” to not instantly melt, such gigantic heat flows must be removed somewhere from it. For a product working on the Earth, this task is difficult both scientifically and technically, but still solvable. And how to get rid of so much heat in space?

Outer space is a thermos. Such a thermos is normal, only the distance between its “walls” can be considered infinite. Even for existing spacecrafts, where the cosmonauts' bodies and working electronics (almost zero compared to the heat emission of a high-power laser) are internal sources of heat, cooling is probably the most difficult task for designers. What will happen to this station if a megawatt-class chemical laser starts working inside it?

Yes, difficult does not mean impossible. We will place the equipment sensitive to overheating in a separate module, separated from the laser module for a couple of hundred meters, attach heat-emitting panels the size of several football fields to the laser compartment, make these panels roll up so as not to overheat from the sun's rays, we will shoot from the “laser gun” only during the flight in the shadow zone ... Problem solved? Not. Now we are waiting for another meeting with the laws of geometrical optics, but already at new, cosmic distances.

Even in the case when a combat space station is launched into low near-earth orbit (rather than hanging on a geostationary station at a distance of 36 thousands of kilometers from the Earth), the “laser shooting” range required to defeat the launching ICBMs of the enemy is measured in thousands of kilometers. The Americans, in the era of the Strategic Defense Initiative announced by Ronald Reagan, threatened to launch into space 18 military stations with a range of 5 thousands of kilometers. Then begin the simplest exercises in school arithmetic.

In order for a long 10 seconds to transfer to the body of an enemy missile at least 1 KJ per square meter. cm, it is necessary to ensure the power density on the target 100 W per square. see And this means that the radiation of a space laser with a monstrous five-megawatt power (recall that no one has done this even on a ground stand) should be compressed into a “spot” with a diameter of no more than 2,5 meters. With a range of 5 thousands of kilometers and a 2,8 μm radiation wavelength (chemical hydrogen-fluorine laser), this will require a telescope with a mirror diameter of at least 7 meters. If, however, to reduce the time of impact on the target to 0,5 seconds (as was envisaged in the plans of "star wars"), then the mirror will need 32-meter. Are there any other questions?

Shield and shield

The largest optical mirror, which at this time was able to bring into space, was the main mirror of the American Hubble telescope with a diameter of 2,4 meter. This miracle of technology was polished for two years, having the task of achieving the accuracy of a parabolic shape with an error of no more than 20 nanometers. But they made a mistake, and on the edge of the mirror the error was 2 micron. These microns have grown into a huge problem, for the solution of which I had to make "glasses", which were delivered into space and attached to a defective mirror.

The diameter of the 2,4 meter mirror is, of course, not the limit of technological capabilities. Back in the distant 1975 year, the Soviet telescope BTA-6 (at that time and up to 1993-th - the largest in the world) with the diameter of the main mirror 6 meters was commissioned. The blank for making the mirror cooled down after the glass was melted for two years and 19 days. Then, when polished, it was ground into 15 dust of thousands of carats of diamond tools. The finished “pancake” weighed 42 tons, the total mass of the telescope with the details of the mechanical drive - 850 tons.

Yes, for space, you can make it easier, having met not hundreds, but only tens of tons (by the way, the small Hubble weighed 11 tons). But then new questions arise, one more interesting than the other. What is the nail and why should the cosmic mirror be nailed so that it is stabilized in space with angular accuracy in the fraction of microradian? How will the impact of the positioning of the mirror affect the release of a huge amount of working fluid from a megawatt chemical laser? What can be practically a mechanical drive system that rotates a multi-ton mirror in space after a target moving with hypersonic speed (the launching ICBM in the upper atmosphere)? What to do if the enemy ICBMs take off at the wrong distance, based on which the optics were focused?

The most important thing is what will remain of the nanometer-shaped accuracy of the mirror after a megawatt laser beam passes through it? Immutable physical law says: "Every laser beam has two ends." And the energy at the far end of the beam, on the target, can never be greater (in fact, it is always less) than that concentrated in the laser emitter. If the “heat spot” in the 2,5 meter on the target melts and destroys the target, then what will happen to the mirror, whose area is only 8 times larger? Yes, the mirror reflects almost all laser radiation brought to it, but who said that the target will reflect much less?

Bad news for "lazermanov" is that the main material for the covering of rockets and aircraft is aluminum. The reflection coefficient for infrared radiation with a length of 10,6 μm (gas-dynamic CO2 laser) is close to 100 percent. In the emission range of chemical lasers (1 – 3 μm), aluminum reflects about 90 – 95 percent of the beam energy. What prevents to polish the rocket trim to a mirror shine? Wrap it with aluminum foil? Cover with a thin layer of silver (in comparison with the enchanting cost of a megawatt space-based laser is mere pennies) ... You can take another way: do not polish the MBR lining to shine, but on the contrary, coat it with an ablative (heat-removing) coating. This technology has been worked out half a century ago, and with rare tragic exceptions, the descent vehicles returned safely to Earth, having experienced heat loads at the entrance to the atmosphere that are two to three orders of magnitude superior to everything that promising laser guns can create.

"Reason in spite of, in spite of the elements ..."

The elementary truths and elementary calculations given above should be known to any bona fide student. Specific figures of the radiation power required for hitting a target could have been obtained already in the early years of the “laser era.” The only thing that was not known from the very beginning was the physics of the propagation of high-power laser radiation in the atmosphere. But this question was also removed after the end of the 70-s in both the USA and the USSR created and tested (on the ground and in the air) gas-dynamic lasers of the 100-kilowatt class.

By the beginning of the 80-ies, the absolute futility of "power", "destructive" laser weapons did not cause doubts among the specialists employed in this field. However, it was then that began the laser madness. 23 March 1983, US President Reagan has publicly announced the Strategic Defense Initiative (SOI), under which it was supposed to create a system of space-based laser weapons capable of destroying the launching ICBMs by the hundreds. What was it? The most common version today is that the SDI was from the very beginning a grand bluff, with the help of which the Americans tried to drag the USSR into a new, unbearable round of the arms race. Whether it is true or an afterthought to make a good face on a bad game - no one will give an unequivocal answer. One thing is known for sure: the IDF developers fooling their own heads with delight of inspiration.

6 September 1985 of the year in the framework of the next “demonstration of technologies” chemical laser on hydrogen-fluorine with a power of about 1 MW destroyed the corps of the second stage of ICBM “Titan”. The spectacular picture was scrolled through all TV channels, the Director of the Office of IDF, Lieutenant General James Abrahamson, gave interviews to enthusiastic journalists: "The laser smashed this thing literally to pieces ... Very, very impressive." And the truth is - where is it even more spectacular? They promised to create a system capable of burning the 5 range of thousands of kilometers across the hull of the launching ICBM in 0,5 seconds. In fact, the target was at a distance of 800 meters from the radiator, no one knows the time to “fry”. The hull was inflated with excess pressure from the inside and loaded with compression vertically, that's why it scattered into pieces. About the size and weight of the laser system, about the deactivation device of the poisonous fluoride "exhaust" the size of a hangar, the general delicately kept silent ...

Then the same megawatt MIRACL laser was transferred to the deck of a warship and announced that the BQM-34 subsonic simulated cruise missile was hit by a laser beam. Delight knew no bounds. Later, however, it turned out that the shooting was carried out at a distance of less than a kilometer (where an anti-aircraft gun unit would successfully cope with this task), while the laser did not burn or break anything, but only “damaged the electronic components of the control system, as a result why the target lost its stability and broke. ” What kind of "components" were disabled by a heat ray and whether it is not a question of self-destructing by the command of an IR-sensitive sensor - the story is silent for now. It is only known that the command of the US Navy considered it a blessing to remove the poisonous laser machine from the ship and did not return to the question of its use.

Meanwhile, the bona fide experts' patience broke, and in April 1987 was published (whatever one may say, but the 1-I amendment to the US Constitution is strictly observed) a report on 424 pages prepared by a group of 17 experts from members of the American Physical Society. Politely (the SDI program was still announced by the president), but it was firmly said that “the discrepancy between the current stage of development of weapons of directed energy and the requirements for it is so great that to achieve the goals, it is necessary to eliminate major gaps in technical knowledge.” In particular, “chemical lasers need to increase the output power by at least two orders of magnitude (ie, a hundred times!) Compared to what has been achieved ... free electron lasers require testing several physical concepts and their power must be increased by six orders of magnitude. .. methods for correcting the optical quality of a laser beam need to be improved by many orders of magnitude ... "The final conclusion:" Even under the most favorable circumstances, ten or more years of intensive research will be needed before it is possible children to make an informed decision (to make a decision, not to put the system into service!) about the possibility of creating a laser beam weapons and missile defense for solving problems. "

"By the mistakes of the fathers and by their late mind ..."

In 1993, the SDI program was officially closed. Finita la comedia? Not at all. The smell of the budget pie continued to excite the appetite, and the “peaceful respite” lasted only three years. In 1996, a new scam has begun. Now the chemical oxygen-iodine laser (radiator weight - 9 t, output power - 1 MW) with a mirror with a diameter of 1,6 meter was to be installed aboard the transport giant Boeing В-747. To begin with, 1,1 has allocated a billion dollars in budget. Then, of course, they added, in just 16 years, 5 billions of dollars were invested into the ABL program.

At this time, the role of a "magic wand" capable of overturning the laws of the universe, claimed the so-called adaptive optics. What was done by American engineers is really amazing. The huge mirror was divided into 340 elements, each with its own mechanical drive. A system of two “diagnostic” kilowatt-power lasers continuously probes the atmosphere, another subsystem analyzes the wave parameters of a high-power laser, the computer issues control commands, and the curvature of the main mirror is adjusted at a rate of a thousand times per second.

All these efforts and billions of dollars in costs were crowned with a report in which it was stated N times: “Dust particles in the atmosphere lead to energy absorption and erosion of the beam, reducing the effective range of damage. In addition, the dust particles burning in the beam create IR interferences that impede accurate aiming. A weapon cannot be used if a cloud appears between the laser and the target. ” The final paragraph of the phrase should be cast in granite: "Physics are translated from English means:" It is difficult to deal with the laws of nature. "

Nevertheless, in exchange for 5 billions, it was necessary to knock something down. The technical assignment assumed the destruction of launching ICBMs at a distance of 20 – 40 kilometers during a single 300 – 400 departure, with a target cost of “a few seconds” of radiation. After a series of unsuccessful attempts, it was finally possible to knock down a flying ballistic missile with a liquid-fuel engine. This landmark event occurred on February 11 2010. The developers honestly admitted that they failed to burn through the target plating, but the weakening of the structure as a result of heating turned out to be enough to destroy the rocket in flight. The heat generation of the megawatt laser was sufficient to cool the “laser gun” before the next “shot” within an hour. The second attempt to knock off a rocket taking off (this time a solid-fuel rocket) was unsuccessful due to "beam misalignment". Perhaps, in this case, the problem was the unacceptable overheating of the radiator and the mirror.

That's it all over. The program was officially closed. US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates addressed the developers with these words: “I don’t know anyone in the Department of Defense who thinks that this program should or can be quickly deployed. The reality is that you need a laser 20 – 30 times more powerful in order to hit the launch missiles at the proper distance. To put this system into action, we need to have 10 – 20 aircraft carrying 1,5 billion dollars apiece with a maintenance cost of 100 million dollars per year, and I don’t know a single person in uniform who would believe that such a concept can be workable. "
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  1. Midshipman
    Midshipman 16 January 2014 15: 20
    +19
    But the Humpbacked bastard, under this misinformation he surrendered the whole country, Judas.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 16 January 2014 16: 12
      +25
      Judah didn’t pass the labeled country to this misinformation, he just passed it !! angry
      1. olegff68
        olegff68 16 January 2014 23: 13
        +1
        One thing is not clear what does this have to do with combat lasers
        On October 8, 2013, at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (a leading US nuclear research center) at the NIF laser facility, for the first time in history, it was possible to ignite a thermonuclear reaction with a “positive energy output”.
        in general, they are actively working in the right direction (like ours in the Soviet Union) and upon reaching success they will enter a different world, infinitely full of prospects and gradually abandon hydrocarbons, while we are very threatened with being left out of the celebration of life, which is very sad.
        Or the author offers a thermonuclear poison. kindle with
        The main Soviet divisional cannon during the Great Patriotic War, the famous ZiS-3, had a single-shot energy of 1,43 MJ.
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 17 January 2014 04: 37
          0
          The idea of ​​igniting thermonuclear fusion with lasers for energy was abandoned even during the union. When calculating it turned out that up to 80% of the energy received would go to pumping and servicing laser ignition. And the question was closed, unprofitable.
        2. crazyrom
          crazyrom 26 January 2014 04: 51
          0
          and in space, you can probably do without a laser, because there we have a powerful and free source of radiation - the Sun! You just need to make a swarm (10-20-30 pieces) of satellites unpretentious with mirrors of 1-2 meters and a simple system of 1-2 lenses and they will all collect solar radiation at one point. Cheap and cheerful. Fuel is almost not required, nothing needs to be cooled. For the sun to always be there, it is necessary to fly in orbit in the vicinity of the pole (I don’t remember how such an orbit is called). The author requires 8-10kJ per centimeter, the sun gives 1,3 kJ per meter, that is, it is enough to collect 8 m2 mirrors and focus in 1cm2, everything seems to be simple. Simple calculation: one mirror with a diameter of 3.2m or 2 mirrors of 2.25m or 3 mirrors of 1,8m of diameter is enough. Well, if you collect more mirrors, of course, either burn faster or you can hit on multiple targets at once.
          1. Fedorovich
            Fedorovich 30 August 2020 08: 02
            0
            The matter is small - the control system for this entire economy, engines, a source of energy for drives, etc. And, yes, still all this must be shoved into a sun-synchronous orbit, and a very peculiar one ... And hope that at the right time the mirrors will be in the right place.
    2. vober
      vober 16 January 2014 16: 16
      +15
      He would have passed it anyway.
    3. aepocmam
      aepocmam 16 January 2014 16: 23
      +8
      At the Judah-Gorbach, the muzzle asks for a brick ...
    4. LAO
      LAO 16 January 2014 20: 05
      +4
      Well, where does Gorbachev? An article about lasers, not politics!
      If you have something to say specifically - on the topic - write! If you want to argue about politics, there is a geopolitics section for this. Geopolitics for rappers and squabblers, and techies even go there!
      It’s not worth messing up the technical section with political trash!
      1. Yun Klob
        Yun Klob 16 January 2014 21: 01
        +6
        One always needs to remember Judah-Gorbachev. Freak to the count!
      2. Yun Klob
        Yun Klob 16 January 2014 21: 01
        -1
        One always needs to remember Judah-Gorbachev. Freak to the count!
      3. Lukich
        Lukich 16 January 2014 21: 51
        +6
        ... and I’m talking about technology - to the ugly Hunchback laser, from close range and in airless space - so that the laws of nature do not interfere with the combat use of the Laser !!! ...
      4. user
        user 17 January 2014 10: 32
        +2
        It was just that under Gorbachev the task of the USSR Academy of Sciences was given to consider the possibility and reality of Star Wars. Academician Aleksandrov announced the results, they were about the same as the author of this article with minor additions. Those. The CPSU General Secretary was informed that this was a scam, but contrary to the conclusion of experts, we joined the race.
        And here Gorbachev is here too.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 09
          0
          Strange. For some reason I remember the Soviet laser "rangefinder", which once almost baked astronauts just for a laugh.
  2. Wurger
    Wurger 16 January 2014 15: 25
    +6
    Technology is evolving. Who at the beginning of the 20th century thought about space besides Tsialkovsky? And now launching a rocket with a satellite is an ordinary phenomenon. 3D printers, which can already make weapons and houses with immediately laid communications, exoskeletons, the Internet. On the basis of the NTP of the beginning of the century, this was all nonsense. Today it is a reality. Everyday routine. All will be. only time is needed.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 January 2014 15: 39
      +2
      On satellites and rare drones, several years flying to a neighboring planet, in fact, it all ended, there is no way out of the technological deadlock.
    2. vober
      vober 16 January 2014 16: 19
      -1
      Maybe it will be someday, but not in the foreseeable future, much less tomorrow.
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 16 January 2014 18: 14
        +7
        "The peculiarity of the Type 98 tank is the presence of a laser active protection system JD-3. It consists of a laser warning system LRW (mushroom sensor behind the commander's hatch) and directly a quantum generator LSDW (box-shaped turret behind the gunner's hatch). When a signal is received about the irradiation of the tank With the enemy's laser beam, the warning system generates a signal to turn the tower in the direction of the detected source, then a low-power laser beam is turned on, which determines the exact location of the target, after which the beam power instantly increases to a critical level and disables the optical means or organs of vision of the enemy operator.
        More details: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/18752 "

        Laser technologies exist and are actively used. We have an understanding of the capabilities of these weapons today and in the long term, so we are not particularly spending on this. Till. There are other developments that need to be developed - electromagnetic weapons for example. Now no one has the materials and energy sources to create lasers suitable for military use. But, you need to constantly look for new ways, technologies, think about completely new principles of action means of defense and attack.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 16 January 2014 21: 46
          0
          Quote: URAL72
          "The peculiarity of the Type 98 tank is the presence of a laser active protection system JD-3. It consists of a laser warning system LRW (mushroom sensor behind the commander's hatch) and directly a quantum generator LSDW (box-shaped turret behind the gunner's hatch). When a signal is received about the irradiation of the tank With the enemy's laser beam, the warning system generates a signal to turn the tower in the direction of the detected source, then a low-power laser beam is turned on, which determines the exact location of the target, after which the beam power instantly increases to a critical level and disables the optical means or organs of vision of the enemy operator.

          In order not to lie, the SA called it "sighting platoon". Trained with them in the year 83 or 84 - the secrecy was, sho-! And in 89-90 in the GSVG they already started sad
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 12
          0
          While Americans are wasting money on lasers, our engineers have long realized that railguns are much more promising.
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 16 January 2014 19: 15
      +1
      At the beginning of the century they thought that he was Tsiolkovsky. And here we need not technology development. Here a new technology is needed, and not on the basis of the physics that we know. Through the development of the laser passed, and to the end, that's all. A leap is needed, development has exhausted itself. It’s pointless to file a cart. It's time to move on to the car ... but not a single Kyuno is visible in the waves.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 15
        0
        Nevertheless, in some matters, a laser at war is simply irreplaceable. As a weapon, it is completely useless, and as a measuring tool and means of communication it is quite on the level. Laser target indicators, lidars and optical fiber greatly facilitate the task of signalmen
    4. saber1357
      saber1357 17 January 2014 03: 52
      0
      Yeah, and in a million and wings will grow, so without a laser we will knock down enemies, just a wave .... Children! Teach physics at school not to think that in a million years the speed of light will increase a million times. And the speed of sound, too.
  3. GDP
    GDP 16 January 2014 15: 39
    +7
    And how do you like such a miracle of Soviet technology?

    1K17 "Compression" - Soviet and Russian self-propelled laser system for counteracting optoelectronic devices of the enemy
    The objective of the laser complex was to counter optical-electronic systems for monitoring and controlling weapons of the battlefield in harsh climatic and operational conditions for armored vehicles.
    The complex made it impossible to use any optical devices as an enemy on a large territory.
    1. GDP
      GDP 16 January 2014 15: 55
      +6
      Here are some more interesting representatives of the family of "burners" that came out of the USSR Design Bureau:

      SLC "Sanguin" is actually a laser anti-aircraft installation and serves to destroy optical-electronic devices for airborne targets.

      Stilet was intended to disable the optical-electronic guidance systems of the enemy’s weapons. Its potential targets are tanks, self-propelled artillery installations and even low-flying helicopters. Having found the target by means of radiolocation, Stilet made its laser sounding, trying to detect optical equipment using glare lenses. Having precisely localized the “electronic eye”, the device hit it with a powerful laser pulse, blinding or burning out a sensitive element (photocell, photosensitive matrix, or even the retina of the aiming fighter's eyes).

      Despite the high level of secrecy assigned by 1K11 during development, after the collapse of the USSR, data about the car fell into the hands of US intelligence.
      1. vober
        vober 16 January 2014 16: 36
        +2
        All of these developments are auxiliary tools, not the main weapon. But the laws of physics apply to them too - evaluate the sizes of the installations. And the effect of fog, smoke and other components of the air has not been canceled. But for the aid, it is excusable.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 16 January 2014 19: 19
          +1
          The weapon is quite basic, just non-lethal. All these "destruction of the enemy's optics", well, it's a shame ... These guns are designed to disable the eyes of enemy soldiers. Even without being completely burned out, the eyes after contact with the Stiletto beam will acquire huge blind spots, these are no longer fighters. "Compression" is generally scary, there is practically no chance of surviving. The most serious devices.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 23
            0
            An extremely pronounced effect against not only the eyes is also very important - the UAV reconnaissance equipment was also extremely sensitive to Soviet lasers.
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 22
          0
          But still, Soviet engineers were not going to make a space ash-burner of ICBMs. He was tasked with creating a powerful means of counteracting the enemy's optoelectronic systems. In essence, this anti-weapon is what incapacitates enemy weapons
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 16 January 2014 21: 51
        0
        Quote: GDP
        Here are some more interesting representatives of the family of "burners" that came out of the USSR Design Bureau


        As far as can be judged by open publications, the most successful of the practically implemented Soviet laser programs was the flying laboratory A-60. This is a heavy cargo plane IL-76, on which units of a powerful gas-dynamic laser were installed. Probably, it was a product of the Voronezh design bureau “Himavtomatika” (under this vague name hid one of the best developers of liquid rocket engines in the USSR), which had the intra-designation RD-0600. On the official website of the KB are its characteristics: radiation power - 100 kW, weight - 760 kilograms, dimensions - 2 x2 x0,6 meters.

        The most interesting is the Favorsky Laser, a unique 180 kW gas-dynamic laser ...
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 16 January 2014 21: 59
          +1
          The most interesting in this part is
    2. saber1357
      saber1357 17 January 2014 03: 52
      0
      Yes, such a thing on the case, without fantasy
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 19
      +1
      Cool car! It would have to be modernized and built at an accelerated pace! With its massive appearance on the battlefield, you can not remember the snipers
  4. Salamander
    Salamander 16 January 2014 15: 41
    +3
    The article is complex, but interesting, definitely "+". It is clear that under modern conditions it is practically impossible to create a combat laser. However, the persistence with which the Americans gnaw at the laser problem sometimes gives rise to vague doubts: "What if they can do something out of this?" And I WOULD LIKE THIS ... Well, nothing, we always have our own craftsmen wink
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 17 January 2014 07: 12
      0
      No one remembered gamma and X-ray lasers, which have completely different principles and capabilities.
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 25
      0
      At least, our engineers managed to translate their designs into real samples. And the Americans stopped at bench tests. Of course, the current American flying laser exists, but in a single copy. And it does not always work and not everywhere. But the compression worked in any climatic conditions
      1. Salamander
        Salamander 17 January 2014 15: 16
        0
        Well, the American flying laser was shut down in 2011 due to budget cuts.
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YAL-1
  5. erased
    erased 16 January 2014 15: 44
    +1
    Science does not stand still, development is proceeding rapidly. However, in the near future it is unlikely that a real operational combat laser model will be created that can destroy armored vehicles, aircraft, missiles, ships, and even people.
    And you can burn balloons with a small "pointer" in 2-3 seconds. I saw it myself more than once. And the retina of the eye can suffer from such a "pointer". However, these are all jokers.
  6. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 16 January 2014 15: 47
    +5
    The best article of military review.
    and rams shouting "more!" also no. Which is good too
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 16 January 2014 15: 57
      +3
      Quote: Ivan Petrovich
      rams screaming "more!"

      Tolerate you have to be with people, Petrovich!
      1. alexng
        alexng 16 January 2014 16: 28
        0
        Oh! But how will hamsters now firmly believe in the existence of elves? Another bummer and astronomical cut dough or what?
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    2. avg
      avg 16 January 2014 16: 27
      +3
      Quote: Ivan Petrovich
      The best article of military review.
      and rams shouting "more!" also no. Which is good too

      There would be more such clever articles to feel like a complete ram. fool
  7. edeligor
    edeligor 16 January 2014 15: 52
    -1
    Following the logic of the author of the article, why create new when there is a well-proven old. I especially liked the comparison of laser power with a machine gun. Cool, so I would count the power in horsepower ...
    The whole history of the development of mankind is the solution to problems that were previously an area of ​​dreams. Laser weapon development seems utopian, but it NOW, and tomorrow it is quite possible it will be ordinary household.
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 16 January 2014 16: 09
      +1
      and power can be expressed in kW and hp, it is the same as km / h or mph. physics, you know ...
  8. Wurger
    Wurger 16 January 2014 16: 00
    +14
    Quote: EvilLion
    On satellites and rare drones, several years flying to a neighboring planet, in fact, it all ended, there is no way out of the technological deadlock.


    It would be a desire. If we take the development of technology of the 60s, then what kind of space is it? In the villages, they still plow horses on their farmstead. And already climbed to the moon. If humanity is tasked with starting an invasion of Alpha Centauri, then sooner or later those. a solution would be found. But now there are other tasks. McDonald's, House-2 and whether Ksenia Sobchak got drunk in the trash at one party or not. I do not say to give up comfort for the sake of certain global tasks. Everything needs a golden perspective. And we have a bias towards a certain bydlyatsva. To the west of satiety, we have poverty.
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 16 January 2014 16: 14
      +7
      that's why I am for socialism
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 16 January 2014 22: 00
        +1
        Quote: Ivan Petrovich
        that's why I am for socialism

        Record in associates! soldier
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 32
          0
          I also do not like capitalism and capitalists
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 16 January 2014 22: 00
        0
        Quote: Ivan Petrovich
        that's why I am for socialism

        Record in associates! soldier
  9. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 16 January 2014 16: 48
    +3
    Consciously or not, the author did not indicate the areas where lasers are effective right now. We assume he did not know about these areas. 1. The failure of optical systems for observing and aiming on the battlefield during the day and, most importantly, at night. In almost a couple of seconds, it may not be destroyed, but all optics on the battlefield, say, in a radius of 2-3 km, will be disabled. Few? Three installations will stop the advance of the tank battalion. 2. Temporary damage to the organs of vision of people. Fighters lose their combat effectiveness and require treatment. 3. Interference with laser guidance systems and laser rangefinders. In general, a battlefield laser can be used effectively. But of course we are more interested in the fantastic laser blasters that incinerate the tank per second, and will come to this with time.
    1. Averias
      Averias 16 January 2014 17: 30
      0
      He generally writes about the "force and shock" effects of laser weapons. It's one thing to burn out and blind the optics, and it's another to stop the ICBM. As the difference is palpable.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 37
        0
        Stopping the ICBMs and burning the ICBMs is not synonyms! The laser is quite capable of disabling the tracking sensors that control the flight of the rocket, while the ICBMs do not like it at all
    2. Gato
      Gato 16 January 2014 18: 17
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      In almost a couple of seconds, it may not be destroyed, but all optics on the battlefield, say, in a radius of 2-3 km, will be disabled.

      This is very optimistic. Laser radiation will not cause any harm to conventional optics, it can damage (or may not damage if there is a protection system) only radiation receivers, incl. retina of the eye. But, in the end, the gunners may not stare continuously at the sights, but the suppression installation must "shoot" pulses periodically, while being in direct line of sight of the enemy's weapons.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 16 January 2014 22: 04
        0
        Quote: Gato
        Laser radiation does no harm to ordinary optics

        And if, say, it affects the structure of "glass" in optics? Will the gunner see a lot through the whole but dull "glass"?
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 36
        0
        But the drone camera arrays and other electronic surveillance systems burn out at times even from a weak laser
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 17 January 2014 12: 29
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          other electronic surveillance systems burn out even with a weak laser

          ... this refers rather to the devices of the 1st generation image intensifier. Then they began to install special protection, which, when irradiated with a powerful counter impulse (and from a powerful flash from a nuclear strike), "slams-closes" thin, highly sensitive optics ...
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 17 January 2014 12: 20
        0
        Quote: Gato
        must "shoot" with impulses periodically, while being in direct line of sight of enemy weapons.

        In fact of the matter!
        They write in "Compression" and "Sanguine" were the most secret parameters in terms of pulse frequency ...
        Something like this - if the first "shot" of the laser combat complex did not disable the tank, self-propelled guns or a similar installation (meaning, of course, optoelectronic guidance and observation equipment), then, while it is ready to re-insert the "incinerating beam", the enemy could have time to detect and hit with conventional armor-piercing or ATGM ...

        From Wiki:
        Sanguine is a Soviet and Russian self-propelled laser system for counteracting optoelectronic devices of enemy air targets. Serially not produced.
        A distinctive feature of the complex was that it was the first to use the “Shot Resolution System” (SRV) and provided direct directing of a combat laser (without large-sized guidance mirrors) onto an optical-electronic complex target system [1].
        The complex solves the problems of selecting a real optical-electronic system on a mobile helicopter and its functional defeat, at a distance of more than 10 km - blinding the optical-electronic system for tens of minutes, at a distance of less than 8-10 km - irreversible destruction of optical receiving devices.

        More details about them - http://www.popmech.ru/article/8352-vyizhigatel/
        The main problem of any laser is its extremely low efficiency. Even in the most modern and sophisticated gas lasers, the ratio of the radiation energy to the pump energy does not exceed 20%. Pump lamps require a lot of electricity. Powerful generators and an auxiliary power plant took up most of the increased cabin of the 2С19 Msta-S self-propelled artillery unit (which is already rather big), on the basis of which the Compression Complex was built. Generators charge a capacitor bank, which, in turn, provides a powerful pulse discharge to the lamps. It takes time to “fill up” the capacitors. The rate of fire of the SLK “Squeeze” is perhaps one of its most mysterious parameters and, perhaps, one of the main tactical shortcomings.
  10. Colonel
    Colonel 16 January 2014 16: 50
    +3
    An article in his archive. For a long time there were no such healthy ones (I mean the laser theme)
  11. Averias
    Averias 16 January 2014 17: 25
    +9
    Bravo, bravo and bravo again. I shake hands with the author and take off my hat hi For, we have already got all sorts of articles about American funnder guns and wunderwales. The laws of physics and optics (on the basis of which our science is based, and there is no other one yet) has not been canceled. And most importantly, the power source. Well, there is no pocket-sized "perpetual motion machine" - no pocket-sized ones either - no And in the observable universe, no object has eternal energy. And the States are piling up everything, everyone is puffing up. That is to say - they shock the man in the street with horse vigor. And the most interesting thing is how much money they "mastered" for these projects?

    A small example about the genius of American scientific thought (carefully hushed up):

    Somehow at NASA (70-80), they were puzzled by the question of the "Black Hole" (collapsar) - although this is not the same thing. Since the Black Hole may not be supermassive.
    So, they were puzzled by this. It is understandable, how is this so? Something Black hangs there somewhere, radiates nothing (this is the key word in the subsequent story), but only absorbs. It’s a mess, but let's send a probe to this hole with a nuclear bomb on board (and what, it’s just 1600 light-years belay ).
    She suffers there, and we will fix the parameters of the explosion (how, what, and most importantly when, or rather, after how many years?).
    No sooner said, done, money knocked out and the project started. And so, in the midst of preparation for such an "epochal" event, someone there (you see someone young, with brains not smudged), asked a timid question:
    Like, what about the fact that the gift does not radiate anything (keyword), it only absorbs, even light. What we will register. Opa, overlay, turnip scratched, shrugged and the project closed.
    And where is the money, or at least some kind of return in the form of side inventions?
    That's how they have taxpayers.
    1. Averias
      Averias 16 January 2014 17: 42
      +2
      What kind of fan of "Jedi Swords" minus slapped it. For what is interesting, justify.
    2. saber1357
      saber1357 17 January 2014 03: 56
      0
      Of course, they are puffing about funder guns, because this country (c) is a real incubator for growing professional bred. For starters, you can look at O. Henry, not to mention many other literary and journalistic and other sources.
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 41
      0
      My respect and respect, a really interesting story
  12. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 16 January 2014 17: 43
    -3
    In the meantime, the author is crucifying. Peace calmly makes this weapon.
    http://www.rg.ru/2013/12/13/lazer-anons.html
    At a test site in New Mexico, a 10-kilowatt laser destroyed more than 90 mortar shells and several drones. It is expected that in the future, a laser with a power of 50 kilowatts will be installed on a moving platform, which will be replaced by a 100 kilowatt installation.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2011/11/23/rheinmetall/
    The German company Rheinmetall has tested high-energy laser weapons, Defense Aerospace reports. During a test conducted at the Ochsenboden training ground in Switzerland, a laser gun was able to hit an unmanned aerial vehicle. The weapon was mounted on a rotating turret of the C-RAM air defense system. The purpose of the test was to verify target recognition systems, tracking and fire control, integrated into a single laser weapon.

    http://lenta.ru/articles/2013/04/10/laws/
    At the beginning of 2014, the US Navy intends to send the Ponce landing ship dock to the Persian Gulf, armed with the LaWS experimental solid-state laser. A laser gun will help Americans fight Iranian drones and small high-speed boats. In this case, one “shot” from LaWS will cost the US Navy less than a dollar.




    I can go on for so long.
    1. Averias
      Averias 16 January 2014 18: 04
      +6
      Forgive me generously, but these are all words and prototypes. So is the Boeing laser on board, which stands dismantled as an exhibit of human ambition. And all that you have given as an example is words, and empty words. And on video, computer animation. And on the Discovery channel they like to show Weapons of Future, that's where the expanse is. What is not there. Only for this reason, their special forces, recognize the assault rifles "Galil" (Israel) and "Kehler Koch", sniper rifles of Swedish, Austrian and German production.
      A logical question arises - where, then, is what the Pentagon (super bullets) likes to shake the world with?
      If you carefully look at the footage of the operations of the US military in the same Iraq (or rather, how and what the soldiers are equipped with). There are even more questions.
      Even the same "Raptor" (by the way, an excellent aircraft), was lifted into the air only when all the air defenses were destroyed.
      I can list too long.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 16 January 2014 18: 21
        -3
        You have not watched the video. Let's see how we look.
        1. dddym
          dddym 16 January 2014 18: 59
          +2
          looked - all this does not convince - when SDI tried to do - there were a lot of "plausible" pictures. However, they remained “believable” pictures. The military economy dictates its own terms - even if you create an energy source, even if you assume that this source will not occupy the entire ship, it is still very expensive. And it is not effective enough - for example, what if the metal alloy will smoke? And what if the target does not fly linearly and what if there are clouds - and there are a huge number of such "But". If you know the body of intercontinental missiles is made of heat-resistant materials - what should be the laser power? really - where is the hole from the laser in this apparatus? such a show can be done without resorting to laser services - just a squib and voila ... No proof - just computer graphics.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 16 January 2014 19: 03
            -4
            The laser is only 33 kilowatts.
            Smoke is transparent for some wavelengths.
            There are guidance systems that allow you to accompany the target.
            Clouds are transparent for some wavelengths.
            Small, no need to burn a rocket, just make a small hole in the fuel tank, or a hole if it comes to a warhead and its end.
            The atmosphere will do the rest.
            1. dddym
              dddym 16 January 2014 19: 07
              0
              For example, provide data on which clouds and what is the composition of the smoke transparent to the laser ...
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 16 January 2014 19: 11
                -3
                Such are any clouds, and almost any composition of smoke.
                There are so-called absorption spectra. Read.
                1. dddym
                  dddym 16 January 2014 19: 14
                  0
                  where to read? link pliz
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 16 January 2014 19: 18
                    0
                    You can read the wiki, you can open the physics textbook.
                    1. dddym
                      dddym 16 January 2014 19: 32
                      +4
                      there is no wiki and a physics textbook - this is all superficial - you provide a real link to scientific work with experimental evidence - in a physics textbook for example there is a schematic diagram of a nuclear device - however, even with the necessary tools and materials you cannot make this bomb ... Facts please - such a laser emits such waves that are capable of burning through the heat-resistant shell of an intercontinental ballistic missile flying at such a speed at such a height from such and such material regardless of the atmospheric th environment and smoke - isparny dust resulting from heating of the surface points on the thermal conductivity of the metal ...
                      1. dddym
                        dddym 16 January 2014 19: 45
                        0
                        it’s especially noticeable at 29 second how the wing falls off - cardboard is generally easy to burn out with sunlight using a lens - and the laser is not needed ...
                      2. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 16 January 2014 19: 54
                        -3
                        As you can see, the laser set fire to fuel and fire and destroyed the UAV.
                      3. dddym
                        dddym 16 January 2014 19: 56
                        0
                        he destroyed a cardboard machine ... And not a ballistic missile
                  2. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 16 January 2014 19: 53
                    -5
                    Such secret information according to yours is probably lying around at every step.
                    Give me the technical documentation for PAK FA. Or the same nuclear bomb.
                    And so read that each substance has absorption spectra, that there are wavelengths that pass through.
                    At certain wavelengths, even a lead wall of a meter is not an indefinable obstacle. X-ray lasers. They only weaken his energy.
                  3. dddym
                    dddym 16 January 2014 20: 07
                    +4
                    of course, each substance has its own absorption spectra, and the laser generates precisely a certain length of the spectrum, which means it cannot be rebuilt! The higher the frequency, the more powerful the radiation needed to achieve the desired effect! After all, you burn a hole in the metal, and it doesn’t light up a damn - well, scientists did the bastards, (no, what would they take firecrackers made a metal case made of metal that does not burn a bastard)! Unless of course you are not going to fight gliders. And now you need to take into account the rotation of the rocket as it flies and the infection rotates! Unless of course not set as a target at low speed at an altitude of 500m not far from a cruiser with laser weapons on board.
                  4. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 17 January 2014 07: 19
                    -3
                    he destroyed a cardboard machine ... And not a ballistic missile

                    You need to destroy the oki ballistic missile.
                    http://lenta.ru/news/2010/02/12/laser/
                    The United States Missile Defense Agency (MDA) tested an airborne combat laser, during which ballistic missiles that were gaining speed were first shot down. According to the agency’s press release, the laser system was tested at the Point Mugu Air Force Base in California. This was the second test of an airborne combat laser.

                    According to MDA, the rocket was launched from a mobile platform at sea. Shortly after launch, a combat laser was aimed at the target. The on-board laser system first focused a weak laser beam on the rocket, and then sent another one, with the help of which the effect of the atmosphere on the accuracy of the hit was estimated. Following this, a rocket was fired with a laser beam at full power. All these operations took about two minutes.

                    The destroyed rocket was liquid fuel. An hour after the first test, a second missile was launched from the island of San Nicholas, located about a hundred kilometers from Point Mugu. The second target, a solid rocket, was also destroyed.

                    of course, each substance has its own absorption spectra and the laser generates precisely a certain length of the spectrum, which means it cannot be rebuilt!

                    Do not say that you do not know.
                    Some types of lasers, such as dye solution lasers or polychromatic solid-state lasers, can generate a whole set of frequencies (optical cavity modes) in a wide spectral range.

                    The higher the frequency, the more powerful the radiation needed to achieve the desired effect!

                    Again you say that you do not know. The higher the frequency, the shorter the wavelength, which means the energy will be concentrated on a smaller area, which means it will need less to destroy the target.
                    After all, you burn a hole in the metal, and it doesn’t light up a damn - well, scientists did the bastards

                    In any military apparatus there is fuel that joyfully and cheerfully burns, and if it is also combat, then there is ammunition that explodes merrily.
                    now you need to take into account the rotation of the rocket as it flies and the infection rotates!

                    We take a pulsed laser, and just shoot with reloading at one point. So all the power of the laser will hit one point even if the rocket rotates.
                    And the most interesting, the composition of the gas smoke screen, and the speed of rotation can be determined using a laser.
                  5. 1c-inform-city
                    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 10: 36
                    +1
                    Modern explosives do not explode when heated.
                  6. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 17 January 2014 15: 48
                    -2
                    Well, well, remembering another fire in an ammunition depot.
                2. Basarev
                  Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 55
                  0
                  Do you even realize how much power an energy source should be for such a laser? The mass application of such lasers will be economically disadvantageous, but single instances of the weather do not.
                3. dddym
                  dddym 18 January 2014 10: 16
                  0

                  do you mean this video? Very impressive laughing nonsense no less than computer graphics on what you provided above lol Fried facts and tabletop sensations is all ...
                  You referred to a physics textbook - a deuce to you for physics - the shorter the wavelength, the more energy! This means you need to make an effort to bring energy! And no less! If it were as you say - then everything would be the other way around - in general, a revolution in physics! Einstein nervously smokes wassat An energy consumer would need to cool and not waste fuel on it. You can experimentally check if you do not believe it - just throw the ball in different ways for the first time, just throw it into the wall (the wavelength is the longest) with what force will it hit the wall? and now try to do the same if you throw him on the ground - let him hit with the same effort when bouncing off the ground. How much effort will you need to achieve the same impact force? And the more often the ball will hit, the shorter the wavelength and the MORE efforts you will need and nothing else! I’m silent about the application area ...
                  And the second two in physics, in order to change the coherence of the laser, unique conditions are required that create coherence in this particular spectrum - that is, to create a new source of excitation different from the one that was a fraction of a second ago. Roughly speaking, you will need to duplicate the entire system with new outputs, the fact that they give out a wide range means only that they can give out other coherence, but they require a different source of excitation. Or the efficiency of such a "laser" will be hundreds of times less powerful.

                  Regarding a pulsed laser - it seems very easy and simple - I synchronized the pulses with the rotation of the rocket and, like, did the same as if it did not rotate - but judge for yourself: while the rocket makes a revolution, the pulse turns into nothing, since any metal has thermal conductivity, respectively while we heated one point - the heat from it was transferred to the surrounding metal and the atmosphere while there is no laser action on it - then it needs to be heated again, and so until the temperature reaches the boiling point of the metal, what power should the laser be in this case? Hundreds of times more powerful! If it were otherwise, then all the magicians would inevitably receive burns of extreme severity simply by carrying their hand over the candle. About fuel which is "very easy to get to". If you think that in ballistic missiles the fuel is protected by cardboard, then you are deeply mistaken. This is not a racket that you may have tried to launch in the yard, looking around with fear - if your parents are closer ... All parts of the rocket are superheated and heat-resistant make the entire body and not just the warhead. And for the fuel to ignite, you need it to come out to the surface - otherwise there is no oxygen - there is no ignition. Of course, the liquid can leak into the hole that you allegedly were able to burn through, but what to do with solid fuel? Come back to earth - sensations are always sensations without real confirmation.
                4. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 20 January 2014 16: 55
                  -3
                  Show me the energy here. wink
                5. dddym
                  dddym 25 January 2014 22: 20
                  +1
                  fool Why are you folding brooms with shovels? it’s just a calculation of the wavelength. Well, you’re not going to burn through the wavelength, but with the radiation power - now you are still two in mathematics plus two in physics for you ....
                  http://www.gosthelp.ru/text/GOST2608684LazeryMetodyiz.html
            2. dddym
              dddym 18 January 2014 10: 54
              0
              All these operations took about two minutes.

              at a flight speed of (minimum) 6,5 km per second in 2 minutes Poplar - m will fly 780 km fellow
            3. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 20 January 2014 16: 57
              -1
              The range of Topol is 11 thousand km. The stock of time is great.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 51
        0
        X-ray laser is a type of atomic bomb
      3. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 17 January 2014 15: 50
        -2
        Another not knowing about lasers, but climbing.
        Google X-ray lasers, free electron lasers.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 11: 52
    +1
    Only lasers with such a long wavelength have not been created and in the coming years 100 will not be. Just do not mention about nuclear pumping.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 January 2014 15: 51
      0
      The first free-electron laser project was published in 1971 by John M.J. Madey as part of his PhD project at Stanford University. In 1976, Madie and his colleagues demonstrated the first experiments with FEL, using electrons with an energy of 24 MeV and a 5-meter wiggler to amplify radiation

      However, already in 1976, such a laser was created without any nuclear pumping.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 11: 48
    +2
    Your video confirms the desire of some individuals to fool the head of American inhabitants. It is not shown from what distance they shoot, the airplane is percale (paper), well, very slow. Our engaged in such shooting in the early 70s.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 18 January 2014 08: 57
      -2
      The laser from that video has a price less than a buck for a shot, which hints at its purpose. Shoot at the fact that there is no queue from Falax.
  • Salamander
    Salamander 16 January 2014 19: 17
    +1
    So what? So, as shown in this video - yes ZSU will be much more effective than a laser! First a blue ray, then a red one, then just started frying - during this time the war will end laughing
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 17 January 2014 12: 00
      +2
      Did you notice too? The laser has been fiddling with a helical drone for so long! Can you imagine how long it will take to destroy an ICBM?
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 02: 54
    +1
    Complete nonsense. There was not a word about the destruction. They only noted a hit (backlight)
  • saber1357
    saber1357 17 January 2014 04: 00
    -1
    Yes of course. When a person does not know how to read and logically process, he can talk endlessly (and what stops him, the brain is disconnected). Read the article again, and take a closer look, it DETAILS explains how these results are achieved.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 17 January 2014 11: 47
    0
    So what? We have a railgun with a three-gram projectile turned a steel plate into a plasma. This, of course, is not the same thing, but still we realize that with approximately equal energy costs, the railgun significantly exceeds the laser in power
  • vvpll
    vvpll 16 January 2014 18: 24
    +2
    In this case, one “shot” from LaWS will cost the US Navy less than a dollar.

    I do not believe! I would believe everything, but I don’t believe it.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 16 January 2014 18: 32
      -1
      People in history often spoke about various things.
      It doesn’t take off, doesn’t float, and so on.
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 17 January 2014 12: 00
      0
      It’s easier to believe in Minigun shooting with your hands.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 17 January 2014 15: 53
        0
        Taki in the Exoskeleton, you can shoot a minigun with your hands.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 1 February 2014 14: 04
          0
          No exoskeleton can compensate for such an enormous return. It is the whole question in it, and not in the mass.
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom 3 February 2014 17: 39
            -1
            Quote: Basarev
            No exoskeleton can compensate for such a colossal return.

            sorry, but you are very wrong. Once in the car (or plane) and buckled up - you put on an exoskeleton. A minigun on the roof of a car is normal.

            So, the question is only in the size and power of the exoskeleton, and the fact that this is real is beyond doubt. Here is an example:

            And the fact that such has not yet been invented, well, well, a matter of time.
  • Gato
    Gato 16 January 2014 18: 33
    +3
    strong "smears" on atmospheric dust and moisture.

    On my own I can add that the transparency of the atmosphere is very different for different wavelengths of the visible and infrared range. T.N. "transparency windows" are unstable and highly dependent on the time of day, temperature, humidity, pressure, etc., etc.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 17 January 2014 12: 01
      0
      The density and composition of the atmosphere at different heights are still very different.
  • Coward
    Coward 16 January 2014 18: 43
    0
    The author writes so, as if the guns were always the same as now, from the very moment of its appearance. Not a few centuries of evolution of guns. Once again - and perfection.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 16 January 2014 18: 45
      -1
      In comparison, he also forgets that in flight shells lose part of their energy.
      Well, and so on.
  • individual
    individual 16 January 2014 18: 50
    +1
    We use a laser in applied surgery, metal cutting, industry, but hasn’t the nose grown in the military sphere yet? hi
    But human thought will not rest on this.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 17 January 2014 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: individ
      We use a laser in applied surgery, metal cutting, industry, but hasn’t the nose grown in the military sphere yet?

      And who said that lasers are not used in the military sphere?
      Rangefinders, locators, sights, homing by beam and spot ... countering guidance and surveillance, transmitting information ... etc. etc.
      half a century has been applied ...
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 16 January 2014 19: 08
    +1
    For laser and beam weapons of the future! Everything comes to the point that, only the generators will decrease and become cheaper (as for example, explosive elements of the Russian Federation) + a certain pumping, beam weapons will occupy their niche in the armed forces.
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 16 January 2014 19: 11
    +1
    You can go another way: do not polish the ICBM casing to a shine, but rather, coat it with an ablative (heat-absorbing) coating.

    The article is undoubtedly - "+"

    I would also add to the above quote - "spin the rocket to spread the energy of the damaging radiation ...". By the way, this method was also really considered to reduce the likelihood of defeat.
  • homosum20
    homosum20 16 January 2014 19: 18
    +5
    I have always envied scientists. Any candidates, doctors, professors. Because theory is a wonderful thing. In it (in theory), you can prove anything. For example, the French Academy of Sciences at one time easily proved (in theory) that stones from heaven to earth cannot fall. Moreover, it is very convincing for contemporaries ("because this can never be").
    History and practice have disproved evidence.
    http://www.rg.ru/2013/12/13/lazer-anons.html
    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/12/13/laser/
    (I can give half a dozen more links - continue to look for laziness).
    I graduated from the Leningrad Polytechnic and understand what Joule, square, energy are.
    But after the aforementioned institution, I am also an engineer. And an engineer, this is such a creature that even if it had never seen an electric current, but putting its fingers into a socket, it got through the brain — it knows that there is an electric current.
    So it is here. Maybe it’s enough to be smart and just admit that we are a little behind in this. At least - it will flow from this that it is necessary to catch up and overtake, and not to hide his head in the sand.
    Comparison with a gun - profanity. The projectile, in comparison with the light beam, just stands still. There is no lead calculation for a laser; evasive maneuvers and so on, so on, so on, are not possible.
    1. Gato
      Gato 16 January 2014 21: 52
      +1
      Quote: homosum20
      and so on, so on, so on

      I greet you, colleague hi (Kiev Polytechnic, Optoelectronic Instrumentation)
      For example, the problem of guidance - how do you like it?
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 17 January 2014 12: 45
        +2
        Quote: Gato
        Kiev Polytechnic, Optoelectronic Instrumentation

        Dear colleague, the dispute here obviously turned into a squabble of amateurs, like "but I still want to ..."
        By the way, at one time, from Ukraine and our "Flight" they used special items for special tasks for launching solid propellants and rocket engines bully
        But this is another area ...
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 17 January 2014 12: 06
      0
      Who said that we are behind? Neither we nor we have truly powerful lasers. True, there is a Soviet Compression system, but it has a different purpose - to disable optoelectronic systems. And let the Americans continue to pursue the myth name sizzling battle laser.
  • LAO
    LAO 16 January 2014 19: 48
    0
    In general, everything is correct, but only technology is moving forward by seven-league (seven-hundred-mile?) Steps and in space (not on earth) laser technologies are quite acceptable, especially if we take into account the new one? type of semiconductor lasers with an efficiency of 60% - they rapidly "gain" power. Photon cooling is an established fact, etc.
    Probably, in the next decade, destructive lasers will go into space, and on airplanes they will install installations with movable optics against hand-held air defense systems (similar work was carried out).
    For 20 years, lasers from floor-mounted units the size of a pedestal have turned into pointers, pens, flashlights (in size) with equivalent power. Previously, all this cost a lot of money, but now the Chinese are able, with pretty good lasers at a reasonable price, to flood the markets of the whole world.
    There is an article in the criminal law providing for liability (up to 6 years) for highlighting an airplane in flight with a laser resulting in blinding pilots or incapacitating equipment (there have already been precedents).
    The topic is not hopeless, we can only wait ...
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 16 January 2014 20: 13
      0
      Quote: LAO
      The topic is not hopeless, we can only wait ...

      how do you like a nuclear pumped x-ray laser?
      This was also supposed ...
      1. 1c-inform-city
        1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 06: 24
        +1
        This is an expensive disposable cartridge. Suitable for a single shot. Easier rocket with apples.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 17 January 2014 12: 51
          0
          Quote: 1c-inform-city
          This is an expensive disposable cartridge. Suitable for a single shot. Easier rocket with apples.

          nevertheless, the Yankee cowboys, especially the film actor-president, liked the idea ... especially when they were asked to make them "multi-shot-multi-barreled".
          It is likely that this idea was from a people of hereditary pests laughing laughing
    2. Gato
      Gato 17 January 2014 00: 35
      +4
      Quote: LAO
      but only technology goes forward by leaps and bounds (in seven hundred?) and in space (not on earth)

      She does not go anywhere with any steps. Satisfies unnecessary needs.
      What changed? Mobile phones have increased by 3 inches (gee, progress - from Android 2.3 everything has abruptly switched to 4.2), PCs are stronger - in order to play BattleField instead of Sid Meyer Civilization?
      But space projects poheril, instead of an expedition to Mars - an online show. Forward - and itiomat - in the future!
    3. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 06: 22
      +1
      The pointers are semiconductor lasers and they have very strict restrictions on many parameters, they are not suitable for knocking down.
  • jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 16 January 2014 20: 03
    +1
    And an engineer, this is such a creature that even if it had never seen an electric current, but putting its fingers into a socket, it got through the brain
    I at 8 years old Conder tried to charge taken in a mug from a wall outlet, it hit me! But! I took insulated pliers! And then the fan flashed sparks and gaskets Conder! laughing this is so opus laughing it’s far from being a full-fledged weapon, but progress may be moving, where a qualitative breakthrough will happen.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 17 January 2014 00: 27
      +1
      Quote: jagdpanzer
      And an engineer, this is such a creature that even if it had never seen an electric current, but putting its fingers into a socket, it got through the brain
      I at 8 years old Conder tried to charge taken in a mug from a wall outlet, it hit me! But! I took insulated pliers! And then the fan flashed sparks and gaskets Conder! laughing this is so opus laughing it’s far from being a full-fledged weapon, but progress may be moving, where a qualitative breakthrough will happen.

      Brave guy! laughing And I charged a 4.5v "flat" battery for a toy, and after that it worked a little laughing
  • sergey4920
    sergey4920 16 January 2014 20: 50
    0
    BlackMokona, you would have changed the flag .......
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 January 2014 07: 22
      +1
      Let ours be left behind in laser weapons, we will throw our hats.
      We do not need a useless stealth, but we are building a PAX
      Think with your head.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 16 January 2014 21: 21
    0
    Thank you, an excellent, understandable article! Calmed and enlightened! And the comments are good, I realized that optical systems and vision can be "extinguished" now. Then why is it not forbidden to sell target designators in retail trade (those same pointers)?
  • polkownik1
    polkownik1 16 January 2014 21: 49
    +2
    Someone argued: pilots are blinded by laser pointers! The pointer is a terrible force! People, I went to landing on fighter aircraft dozens of times when testing the laser landing system. You can check: 148th Pulp and Paper Mill of Air Defense Aviation, Savasleyka, early 80's. Three powerful lasers from the ground shine with an inverted letter T towards the pilot. Many, and I, fell into the rays many times. Just a little discomfort from the red light; no problems when exiting the beam. And the light of the pointer is complete nonsense; sorry for the time spent by the police in search of hooligans. Moreover, the beam hit the cockpit area - seconds. By the way, this landing system was abandoned due to its variable characteristics, and even complete inefficiency in bad weather.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 16 January 2014 22: 48
    0
    We will convert the carcass of a humpback to the energy of pumping a thermal laser by the method of burning in ultraviolet ... I think that no one will mind .... But lasers ...
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 17 January 2014 05: 05
      +1
      Quote: retired
      We will convert the carcass of a humpback to the energy of pumping a thermal laser by the method of burning in ultraviolet ... I think that no one will mind .... But lasers ...

      And spray him again to spoil the surrounding space?!? Dismiss ...
      They took a deep breath of "Perestroika", "Glasnost" and "Acceleration" in his interpretation ...

      BASTA, karapuziki! The dances ended ... Forget, hunchback like a nightmare.
  • Power
    Power 17 January 2014 01: 09
    0
    Apart from iPhones and new cars, the plug is everywhere. Is the "edge" and this monkey with a grenade not capable of anything else? belay Reboot coming soon?
  • vv-ch
    vv-ch 17 January 2014 01: 45
    -2
    The article is interesting, but ... EXTREMELY CONVINCING! Convincing precisely in the IMPOSSIBILITY of using a laser for combat purposes. But this is COMPLETELY REAL, in spite of the MAIN argument of the author about the Divergence of the beam, as a result of which, REALLY, there will be MORE and MORE loss of its energy (and power!) THE OUTPUT IS! - there is an ORIGINAL TECHNICAL solution to make exactly the "Garinsky" beam - THIN, LIKE A SPOKE, - with the divergence of the beam only BY A SHARE OF A PERCENTAGE !!! It is thanks to this decision that LASER PISTOLS will appear (at first - of course, RIFLE, from which it will be possible to shoot down planes!) SUCH A SOLUTION EXISTS, so the era of laser weapons is NOT ON THE MOUNTAINS! And it seems that the author is SO STRONGLY trying to convince us the opposite is exactly why ...
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 17 January 2014 12: 10
      0
      A laser pistol still existed under the USSR; it was planned to arm the astronauts. But the USSR collapsed and the pistol remained in single copies.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 03: 17
    +1
    Finally, a normal article appeared on this subject, and then the laser users were tortured. And you still can’t prove anything to them. As for the question why we do not have developments on this topic, I can say that a laser is an invention of our scientists and the developments that were carried out in the USSR were an order of magnitude superior to American ones, by the way, we even had a laser pistol in service. We can quote the words of Academician Basov (one of the authors of the laser who received the Nobel for this, who directly participated in the military program) at its closure, we have definitely established that no one will ever create a laser weapon capable of actually killing anything in the atmosphere. And I believe this man more than magazine whores.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 17 January 2014 04: 46
    +1
    Not an article, but a nail! A good nail in the lid of the coffin for laser users. Zachoch! No, I agree that it is worthwhile to conduct research, but in real directions. And do not go on different adventures.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 06: 12
    +1
    There’s always always been people who, for the sake of opening financing, are concocting another commercial with shots being shot, it’s not clear what and how and why. Necessarily there will be lured magazine whores who will begin to promote this turbidity to the masses. You just do not have to peck at it and rush to catch up with screams, everything is gone. The Jedi screams about new technologies do not roll because apart from semiconductor emitters nothing new has appeared, and they are not suitable for combat systems.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 January 2014 07: 52
      -1
      Suitable.
      http://nauka21vek.ru/archives/51880
      The Boeing system uses thin laser discs. Also known as an active mirror laser, this semiconductor laser system was first developed in the 1990s. Instead of using rods, as in most semiconductor lasers, a layer for generating material with a smaller thickness than the diameter of the beam that it emits is installed in a thin laser disk. This layer acts as an amplifying medium, or laser amplifier, and as a mirror that reflects the beam.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 10: 32
    +1
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Suitable.
    http://nauka21vek.ru/archives/51880
    The Boeing system uses thin laser discs. Also known as an active mirror laser, this semiconductor laser system was first developed in the 1990s. Instead of using rods, as in most semiconductor lasers, a layer for generating material with a smaller thickness than the diameter of the beam that it emits is installed in a thin laser disk. This layer acts as an amplifying medium, or laser amplifier, and as a mirror that reflects the beam.

    Another example of an advertising booklet for amateurs.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 January 2014 15: 55
      0
      When there are no facts, they translate into personalities
  • AVV
    AVV 17 January 2014 11: 31
    0
    Quote: Mikhail3
    The weapon is quite basic, just non-lethal. All these "destruction of the enemy's optics", well, it's a shame ... These guns are designed to disable the eyes of enemy soldiers. Even without being completely burned out, the eyes after contact with the Stiletto beam will acquire huge blind spots, these are no longer fighters. "Compression" is generally scary, there is practically no chance of surviving. The most serious devices.

    Over time, of course, the potential will increase especially promising pulsed lasers !!!
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  • abc_alex
    abc_alex 17 January 2014 11: 57
    +1
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Suitable.
    http://nauka21vek.ru/archives/51880


    The problem with semiconductor lasers is their semiconductivity. :) Loss of properties when temperature changes, for example. This is physics. Give it no form.

    Quote: homosum20
    Comparison with a gun - profanity. The projectile, in comparison with the light beam, just stands still. There is no lead calculation for a laser; evasive maneuvers and so on, so on, so on, are not possible.


    And at the same time there is no over-the-horizon shooting. :) Laser is a weapon line of sight. And if I see - they see me. This is the law of nature. Therefore, the US missile defense mega-device is lifted into the air on a Boeing, but still they did not wait for ranges of more than 300 km from the launch site, even in theory. And this is a one-way flight, a task for suicides. The modern air defense system will detect the Boeing much earlier and carry out an interception.

    By the way, a lead calculation is needed. After all, it is not a laser that shoots, but a system consisting of a generator, a pump circuit, an emitter and optics. All this does not work instantly.

    Evasion maneuver is also impossible from a sub-caliber projectile. And from the line of automatic rapid-fire guns. If the shooting is started. :) No wonder all the military at all times sought to detect not the moment of the shot, but the moment STARTING AIM. And the laser will not change anything.

    But the author of the article did not touch upon such an interesting topic as laser and plasma :).
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 January 2014 16: 03
      -2
      For a flight altitude of 18 km, the line of sight for the target located on Earth is 479 km. If the target is above the level of the Earth, then the range increases.
      Thus, the modern air defense system will not be able to intercept the target.
  • abc_alex
    abc_alex 17 January 2014 12: 02
    +2
    Quote: AVV

    Over time, of course, the potential will increase especially promising pulsed lasers !!!


    Just with pulsed problems then more. It has long been known that short flashes of high intensity lead to a very peculiar behavior of air. It turns into a defocusing lens. Excellent defocusing lens.
  • Kerch
    Kerch 17 January 2014 12: 35
    0
    It feels like the article was written by an extra-class professional.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 12: 35
    +1
    In general, everything that the United States is doing now. For us, the passed stage.
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  • grandfather
    grandfather 17 January 2014 14: 04
    0
    whoever is the first to learn how to add plasma to a laser beam without reflecting this plasma from mirrors (and to build it into a beam) will be ahead of the rest.
    if Che wrote wrong excuse me hi
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 17 January 2014 14: 04
    0
    Well, it explained everything in a simple and clear way. As a school physicist, he convinced me convincingly. It remains only to convince physicists from the USA and Russia, who are stubbornly trying to solve the indicated problems. In conclusion, I recall the history of physics, when Thompson announced that everything was already open, at that very moment quantum physics appeared.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 14: 33
    +1
    Quote: Jurkovs
    Well, it explained everything in a simple and clear way. As a school physicist, he convinced me convincingly. It remains only to convince physicists from the USA and Russia, who are stubbornly trying to solve the indicated problems. In conclusion, I recall the history of physics, when Thompson announced that everything was already open, at that very moment quantum physics appeared.

    Large-scale military programs on this topic in Russia were closed. In the 90s, an interview with Basov was shown and he honestly said that in the foreseeable future it is not possible to create a laser weapon as a weapon of destruction in the atmosphere. Too low efficiency and low resistance of materials to high temperatures. Even quartz parts are destroyed literally after a few pulses.
  • alean245
    alean245 17 January 2014 15: 10
    0
    Well, it explained everything in a simple and clear way. As a school physicist, he convinced me convincingly. It remains only to convince physicists from the USA and Russia, who are stubbornly trying to solve the indicated problems. In conclusion, I recall the history of physics, when Thompson announced that everything was already open, at that very moment quantum physics appeared.

    And I was not completely convinced. Yes, now laser systems are too imperfect, and they will not be used as a means of destruction either today or tomorrow, or even in the next five years. But in most of the obstacles outlined by the author, I do not see fundamentally insurmountable. High divergence? Is the spot diameter already 1.5 m at a distance of 10 km for an IR laser? And what, in principle, it is impossible to build a laser with an aperture of 1 m and a wavelength, say, two times shorter? At a distance of 10 km, the spot diameter will already be 7.5 cm. With an output power of 100 kW, the target receives about 1 kW per square centimeter. So the idea of ​​using a laser as a short-range defense system does not seem so futile to me. I would not call the work of the Americans in this direction "stupid drank dough." In the end, even if all these prototypes do not find direct application, it will still lead to the improvement of their laser technology. Even in case of failure, the developments can be used in the construction of more powerful optoelectronic suppression systems. And in general, if research in new directions stopped after the first skeptical article appeared, then there would be no scientific and technological progress.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 January 2014 15: 38
    +1
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/223930-boevye-lazery-sssr.html Вот ссылка почитайте и поймёте почему как оружие лазер пока недееспособен. В 90е было интервью Басова где он прямо признал что в атмосфере лазер как поражающее оружие тупик . Низкий кпд и маленькая наработка на отказ и тем меньше чем лазер мощнее. А ведь Басов придумал лазер как таковой .
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 January 2014 15: 57
      -1
      And nuclear physicists in their 30s claimed that there would be no practical application during their lifetimes.
    2. alean245
      alean245 17 January 2014 16: 07
      0
      Read the link here and understand why, as a weapon, the laser is still incapable
      The laser has long been used as a weapon of functional destruction. As for the destruction of material objects on the battlefield, I did not say that in the very near future we will see serial samples. It’s just not worth burying the idea right away.
  • Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 17 January 2014 18: 57
    +1
    A not very thick metal is already being cut with a laser, so developments in high-power lasers may well be useful in "civilian life".
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 18 January 2014 09: 00
      +1
      Laser has long been cutting heat-resistant ceramics.