The future of the Eurasian Union - ethno-confessional civil strife?

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The future of the Eurasian Union - ethno-confessional civil strife?Some time ago, Russian media reported that Caucasian Russians, representatives of the Central Asian diasporas, as well as Tatar nationalists are planning to hold an “All-Russian rally against Islamophobia” in Moscow. Here is an excerpt from Nezavisimaya Gazeta: “People have recently started talking about possible street protests in the Central Asian diasporas. “This situation can lead to an explosion of migrants,” Izzat Aman, chairman of the Union of Tajik Young People in Russia, told 3 in an interview with an Islamic site in December, complaining about the allegedly taking place of fascism in Russia. “Last year, when the janitor-janitors in Moscow did not receive a salary, they went out and protested. When the situation reaches the point of the explosion, they will come out again. Only in Moscow, 500 thousands of citizens of Tajikistan, and throughout Russia there are two million, will not find it enough. ” Earlier, Aman told the Tajik media that his organization, headquartered in Moscow, established in 2007, has 6 in its ranks with thousands of people.

In turn, Magomedov (Muhammad Magomedov represents the Dagestan regional public organization Union of the Just - approx. E.H.) told NG that the action being prepared by him and his associates in the capital is not planned as “purely Caucasian.” “We are Caucasians, but we would not like to close ourselves on this,” he said, indicating that other nationalities could be in solidarity with them. “We say that the country has problems along the national and religious lines, and we don’t like these processes. There are a lot of people, not Caucasians and even non-Muslims, who share our views, ”the representative of the North Caucasus movement believes.”

You can, of course, exclaim angrily, in the style of an angry "come in large" inhabitant: "Ah, they are ungrateful, we feed them (Caucasus), we give them the opportunity to earn money in Russia (Central Asia), but they still understand here, they are pumping rights!” All in historical habitat, and with Central Asia - an urgent visa regime! ”
But let's think for a moment. Why does the degree of ethno-confessional rejection in Russia increase for the post-Soviet reality?

We will not talk about the Caucasus now, this is a separate topic. In the light of the imminent birth of the Eurasian Union, the theme of Central Asia (or, as the post-Soviet expert community sets out, Central Asia) will be increasingly relevant in our Russian expanses. Already in the “hallway” of the new Union is Kyrgyzstan, the likelihood of Tajikistan’s entry is quite high, depending on who replaces Islam Abduganiyevich will accelerate, or, on the contrary, will not accelerate, the appearance of Uzbekistan in the new Union, well, there you see, everyone will persuade and Gurbanguly Myalikgulyevich.

And when Russia and Central Asia will reunite at the crossroads of Eurasia (these two “sisters” should sooner or later reconcile), what then will be said by very nationally oriented citizens (let's call them so mildly radical nationalists) of the common space, as they will “send off” each other home"? A common house and your “room” cannot be closed with the key to your neighbor.

Immediately after the collapse of the USSR, when people still remembered what the friendship of nations was, the problem of “alien” from the South of the post-Soviet space was not. It has become aggravated (or it has become consciously aggravated) gradually, a new generation of Russians has grown, two decades of “throwing” the Russian “elite” and its inability to offer the post-Soviet space anything really solving the problem of tension in international relations speaks for itself, somewhere problems are hushed up, somewhere everything is limited to empty declarations, not confirmed by real deeds. Only one point of view has been very active over the past few years in the Russian media - migrants from Central Asia are a negative problem.

Nobody seems to know how to solve this “problem”. How quickly all the same we lost the systematic thinking of state people, if, for example, planes fall, tactical prohibitive measures immediately take place, and the fact that the entire branch of Russian civil aircraft industry is not at best, to say the least, and the task must be solved more extensively than the punishment of specific airlines - no, no, it is too difficult, and suddenly we can not cope. Similarly, with people coming to work from Central Asia, the flow has increased - prohibitive and restrictive measures, adaptation only in sweet words.

And the fact that after some time when they unite in a new Union, in Russia they will not be able to point the Central Asians “at the door” and they will become the same citizens of a common state, somehow endure-love? The problem will not go anywhere, and this “problem” is already dissatisfied and speaks openly about this with statements by the same chairman of the Union of Tajik Youth, and modestly wants to note that discontent is not unreasonable. If those who came to work from Central Asia were treated normally, did not poison, did not humiliate, did not look at them in the capitals as a working cattle, would there be any reason to say the same to a representative of the Tajik youth?

After all, immediately there will be a mass of people willing to translate this discontent into the ethno-confessional plane and pour oil on the fire.
Two decades after the collapse of the USSR, our Russian “elite” did not come up with any more progressive project than raising our national identity (and who suddenly told them that it is low) and building statehood on a national basis, even if it’s the biggest and most important ethnos of a multinational country.
Who can take our history, our country and our future from us - Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz ?! Moreover, this story is common - international. We ourselves are not ridiculous of this, why cherish national complexes?

Meanwhile, back in 1996, in one of the articles, Andrei Grigorievich Zdravomyslov (Ph.D., director of the Center for the sociological analysis of interethnic conflicts of the Russian Independent Institute of Social and National Problems (RNIS and NP), a specialist in theoretical and practical sociology), stated: “Orientation Russian state policy on nationalism in any of its variants will inevitably lead to a rollback to the reproduction of archaic forms of consciousness. "
That's interesting, but why does our "elite" pundits, if she still does not listen to them?

Recently (already after I wrote the article “Russia without Central Asia is only a regional power”) I stumbled across the Internet on an article by Fyodor Lukyanov, the chief editor of Russia in Global Affairs magazine, a short excerpt from it: “Zbigniew Brzezinski’s statement : Russia remains an empire only if Ukraine is in its sphere of influence. After almost 20 years, the degree of Russia's future “imperiality” is determined in another part of the world - in Central Asia.

When the founders of the Soviet Union decided to dissolve it in the Belovezhskaya Forest of the Republic, the leaders of Central Asia were simply confronted with the fact. ”

Russia needs a new "Throw in the South" ... but this throw should not be aggressive and colonizing, but progressive.
What can the post-Soviet Russian "elite" offer to the Central Asian "national outskirts" today, the archaic raider seizures of national enterprises by Russian oligarchs? So there are plenty of local volunteers there, and there is no much money in Russia right now, because of the greed of all the same Russian “rulers,” China for example uses this, buying all of Central Asia under Russia’s nose ...
When we are able to give progress to the Central Asian "national suburbs" (including, and perhaps primarily in interethnic relations), and not archaic, then we can talk about a real common country.

In the meantime, if we do not take up the national policy of the future of the Union, then the ethno-confessional tension may sooner or later result in ...
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  1. 0
    15 January 2014 07: 11
    Of course, it was necessary to resolve it, from all sides it was beneficial: if the rowdy-siloviks were another reason, if everything was quiet, it was even better.
    That's just, of course, limit the amount (obviously not 1000000).
    1. +29
      15 January 2014 07: 26
      Chairman of the Tajik Youth Union in Russia, Izzat Aman, complaining about the alleged “taking place of fascism in Russia” allegedly taking place.
      One question, if there is fascism in Russia, what does this geek live in Russia.
      And another question for the authorities is why, after such words, he still lives in Russia.
      Something else is blinking there, which doesn’t seem enough, they’ll tear it to pieces of kazla, a gastrabaiter arrived and blinks more.
      1. +11
        15 January 2014 07: 32
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And another question for the authorities is why, after such words, he still lives in Russia.

        Hello Sasha! But what is not clear here, the “Migrants” operation, launched against the Russian Federation several years ago and aimed at “turning over” historical Russia, has already very influential patrons in the highest echelons of our power.
        1. +2
          15 January 2014 07: 39
          Quote: Tersky
          its goal of “turning over” historical Russia has already very influential patrons in the highest echelons of our power.

          Hi Vit, yes, if such rulers would have gathered a rally long ago, and so the ban. He shakes for his grandmother, and he does not give a damn about his compatriots.
          Hi Vit hi
      2. +13
        15 January 2014 07: 33
        Quote: Author Eric Khanymamedov
        after some time, when merging into a new Union, Russia will not be able to point the Central Asians “at the door” and they will become the same citizens of a common state

        1. So far, even with Belarus, the leaders do not raise the issue of uniting into a political Union such that Russians and Belarusians "will become the same citizens of a common state." So far, the union is only economic with a common market, incl. labor resources.

        2. Even in the USSR, to which the author undoubtedly sympathizes, there was no such a high level of labor migration. A sufficient number of jobs were independently organized in the republics. If the current independent authorities are unable to do this, then they must be pressed, and not the Russian leadership - for a second, now another state. And in this other state for migrants the greenest light. Or is the Russian authorities to blame for the fact that migrants are not officially registered and, therefore, begin to depend not on the law, but on the desires of a particular character, a former compatriot or Caucasian who has often adapted in Russia?

        PS. And if anyone is dissatisfied with "fascism" in Russia, then let him go home. There is no fascism for him.
        1. +5
          15 January 2014 07: 40
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          after some time, when merging into a new Union, Russia will not be able to point the Central Asians “at the door” and they will become the same citizens of a common state

          Even as they can, Russia without them will remain Russia, and they are without Russia and no one can call them.
          1. +3
            15 January 2014 07: 53
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Even as they can, Russia without them will remain Russia, and they are without Russia and no one can call them.

            Agree "within the stat.inaccuracy" laughing
            In a single state, I think there are OTHER EFFECTIVE EDUCATIONAL WAYS ...
          2. +2
            15 January 2014 09: 44
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Even as they can, Russia without them will remain Russia, and they are without Russia and no one can call them.

            - oh, how "Makhrovo"! laughing laughing
            Ok, let's look into your future. You are fencing off with a blank curtain, even cutting off the fence along the entire Kazakh-Russian border like a fence between Mesquica and the USA - it’s technically simple, you only need a lot of money. You can pull if you wish. You
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Russia without them will remain Russia
            but I doubt that Kazakhstan will cease to be Kazakhstan. And that even Uzbekistan will cease to be Uzbekistan.
            But in our region, the influence of China will grow. Unfortunately, this is true and this, unfortunately, is inevitable. By the way, if anything, he will unfasten as much cabbage on that fence of the PRC with pleasure, the fences themselves and labor will send laughing Want to make sure? Doubt it? By and large, I personally do not care. I have a good command of Russian, just as well I will master Chinese, my children - even more so. Only Russian will be useless to them. And I will not need anything, I will forget right away, as soon as the everyday and especially economic need disappears in this language. The prospect is not very, but tolerant. But for you (well, personally, as a Russian chauvinist, it’s a joy for me, I can’t stop it) like Russia, for some reason, this prospect does not smile. Since such a prospect does not smile, please be kind to keep your unpleasant assessments with you, we also have such a network, do not hesitate. For you need it more than us. Therefore, weapons are almost free, and all sorts of economic assistance - there would be more stupid animals, there would be more ambitious programs. Well, if you need to - you do it competently and beautifully. Do not want to competently and beautifully, like this
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Even as they can, Russia will remain Russia without them, and they will not be called anyone without Russia

            - Yes, God forbid, we are ready. Only now it is unlikely that Russia will remain Russia laughing
            1. +2
              15 January 2014 09: 55
              Quote: aksakal
              Ok, let's look into your future. You are fencing off with a blanket of curtains, even cutting off the fence along the entire Kazakh-Russian border

              Aksakal, are you hooked on wheels there? what does it have to do with self-sufficient Kazakhstan and medieval Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and even there who drives us to the Gaster.
              Quote: aksakal
              - Yes, God forbid, we are ready.

              Okay, I will console you, Kazakhstan is ready, But the Uzbek Gasteurs do not agree with you, rather with me.
              1. +6
                15 January 2014 10: 05
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Okay, I will console you, Kazakhstan is ready, But the Uzbek Gasteurs do not agree with you, rather with me.

                - Sasha, you speak very sharply, I would like to hear constructive proposals. The problem is painful and serious, it is painful to see how peoples united in Soviet times are now beginning to hate each other fiercely. After all, he served in the army, there were ethnic conflict groups, but there wasn’t such an intensity! It is up to you to decide, it is up to you to decide. Somewhere in some of today's SAJs, a good example is given - the plane crashed, populist prohibition measures begin - to ban this airline, this brand of aircraft, to find the guilty and to punish exponentially. Instead of a systematic solution to the issue - in all its garnishes. Starting from the training of pilots, improving the system of flight safety services, and ending with the establishment of the aviation industry as a whole. It’s about the same here. Simple solutions do not solve complex issues, believe me. And Kazakhstan is not that important. Russia and Kyrgyzstan are important, and Tajikistan, they are even more important than Kazakhstan from a geopolitical point of view. Kzakhstan is its own and will not go anywhere. But these Russian republics are critically important to keep in the field of their influence. And it is very unfortunate that Russia has not come up with any other tools, how to feed these countries indirectly through migrant workers! Perhaps, at some stage, a justified approach, but this stage has long been in the past! We need a different level in the approach to solving this issue.
                1. 0
                  15 January 2014 10: 37
                  Quote: aksakal
                  , well, you speak very sharply, I would like to hear constructive proposals

                  Yes, they’re tired of everything, nothing will be good, and everything will remain as it is, while they are managed by their own buy-ins, who imagined themselves to be presidents. There were so many loans swelled up, but there was no point in the use, as there was poverty, it remained.
                  Everything in the world comes into relative harmony and order, only after another warrior. Here is such a "wonderful" (crappy) way out of the current (crappy) situation.
                  Actually it remains to congratulate us all on this. War is the continuation of life and movement forward, well, of course, for those who stay alive hi
                  1. 0
                    15 January 2014 10: 43
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Actually it remains to congratulate us all on this. War is the continuation of life and movement forward, well, of course, for those who stay alive

                    But has this not been clear since 2008?
                    Question: the war on whose territory and who mainly suffered? So that all the battles now - only for their alignment)).
              2. 0
                15 January 2014 10: 48
                "The ways of geopolitics are inscrutable", my opinion is that the nuts will be tightened for migrants, but so as not to frighten off and cajole the Asian princelings, they are now backing down, after signing all the documents on the Customs Union and the Eurasian Economic Community, etc., I think they will introduce visas, the rumor is already slipping, and Kozak himself puts forward the idea of ​​visas.
          3. 0
            15 January 2014 11: 07
            To be truly objective, immigrants in most cases are employed in the shadow, semi-official and unofficial business, and crime. All the questions are that without them there’s nothing at all, there are hundreds of examples and facts. Some of the migrants may and may need Russia in a minimal amount, preferably with visas and with stricter migration laws, and for the host, and in particular for employers!
            Filed out a visa, docks for work and pay taxes all work and do not forget that they are waiting at home ...
          4. 0
            15 January 2014 15: 05
            May I continue your thought: 1) Russia without the Caucasus will remain Russia, and the Caucasus without Russia no one can call him in any way 2) Russia without the Far East will remain Russia, and the Far East without Russia no one can call him ...

            This thought is very wrong ...
        2. +5
          15 January 2014 08: 04
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          PS. And if anyone is dissatisfied with "fascism" in Russia, then let him go home. There is no fascism for him.

          I absolutely agree. And in general, who they are:
          Muhammad Magomedov represents the Dagestan regional public organization “Union of the Just”, the chairman of the Union of Tajik Youth in Russia, Izzat Aman?
          To your republics and regions, indicate how to live there, and even better, build a fair society there and raise your economy. The cockroaches have divorced, there is nowhere to go.
        3. 0
          15 January 2014 09: 01
          But after all, there were "communism construction sites" in the Union, on which there were from all regions ... For that time it was a very high level of migration, but after the completion of construction, the same majority left somewhere and there were also problems with this, due to which, at the end of one of the construction projects, they urgently came up with the next one.
        4. +1
          15 January 2014 10: 42
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          PS. And if anyone is dissatisfied with "fascism" in Russia, then let him go home. There is no fascism for him.

          There is, but only from the ethnic majority in relation to the few remaining Russians. But the author does not consider this a problem.
          1. 0
            15 January 2014 17: 52
            Quote: andrejwz
            But the author does not consider this a problem.

            Because the author is a complete liberalist.
      3. A.YARY
        +6
        15 January 2014 07: 48
        Alexander Romanov good afternoon Quote
        think for a moment. Why is the degree of ethno-religious rejection in Russia increasing for post-Soviet reality?
        Further uninteresting!
        Understand? Us? A suitcase in the teeth and tries to leave, that is, to the hut! They are organized into gangs! Here it is the inaction of the authorities. Why are they not arrested and deported to the village?
        Any garbage hailo teaches and MeVeDe is silent in a rag, does not itch until the next STALINGRAD?
        And judging by the notch of the afftor and his path to the same volost lies.It's still scaring
        there are 500 thousand Tajik citizens in Moscow, and there are two million of them throughout Russia - it’s not enough
        Maybe this bitch will openly sing "We will cut!" And again MeVeDe will wash!
        But the Russian guys will be enough when they intercede for the girls!
        Yes x them!
        1. 0
          15 January 2014 09: 28
          Quote: A.YARY
          And judging by the notch of the afftor and his path to the same volost lies

          The provocateur you, dear! Do you think that we can only win through the Civil War?
    2. +2
      15 January 2014 07: 43
      No one seems to know how to solve this “problem”.

      If the author does not know how to solve it (judging by the surname and he does not need to solve it), this does not exactly mean that it is not solvable. There are many smart people in Russia.
  2. makarov
    -3
    15 January 2014 07: 12
    "If those who came to work from Central Asia were treated normally, they did not persecute them, they did not humiliate them, they didn’t look at them in the capitals as working animals, would a representative of Tajik youth have reason to say this? .."

    Probably really, this exposition takes place to be. from scratch such appearances do not appear.
    1. +6
      15 January 2014 07: 43
      Quote: makarov
      "If those who came to work from Central Asia were treated normally, they did not persecute, humiliate, and they did not look at them in the capitals as working animals,

      If they had not stolen, had not raped or killed, then the attitude towards them would have been normal, and so 50% of crimes in Moscow are newcomers.
      Quote: makarov
      Probably really, this exposition takes place to be. from scratch such appearances do not appear.

      There is nothing empty, and when there is a threat of getting a kick in the ass with eviction to their village, then yes, they immediately remember their rights.
    2. +5
      15 January 2014 07: 52
      Quote: makarov
      Probably really, this exposition takes place to be. from scratch such appearances do not appear.

      If Vasya knows that Petya can’t tolerate him, then I doubt that he will go to visit Peta. What to rush to where you are not welcome. And then cry, that they offend. We would go to China, he is closer to them and the economy is more efficient .
    3. +9
      15 January 2014 08: 03
      Quote: makarov
      did not look at them in the capitals as working cattle,

      Is the discovery true?
      And in fact - who are they? I do not want to offend ("brute", the author's style), but the reality is that it really is "working". Education, at best, several classes, they do not know Russian, they do not follow traditions, they beat the law down. Their own medieval mentality. statistics on offenses in the same St. Petersburg or Moscow. Tell me to kiss with them on the gums?
      Show me a cardiothoracic surgeon, guest worker, writer, researcher or a highly skilled guest worker and I will change my mind. Maybe.
      In the meantime, what can the Central Asian countries offer besides their hands: hijab, ethnic crime, a Caucasian rally?
      We need it?
      1. +2
        15 January 2014 09: 25
        And in this whole production, I also draw your attention to: who exactly (what persons) provide jobs for low-skilled workers who do not know the Russian language? For example, if a contractor has such workers at a construction site, then there the contractor will be able to speak with them in their non-Russian language, and the construction contractor as a legal entity is no longer a migrant, but he is such an employer interested in using it " their "employees, with their qualifications, wages, taxes, etc."
  3. +2
    15 January 2014 07: 22
    In%, the content of Asians and Caucasians becomes more, because they give birth in the required number for external expansion. If we had the same fruit. there would be no problem. They just take the place of our unborn children. Nature does not tolerate emptiness. Something like this.
    1. 0
      15 January 2014 08: 08
      Quote: FC Scythian, we bred the same way. there would be no problem. [/ quote

      Only we do not breed, we have women giving birth to children. These fleas breed with cockroaches. They say well gazenvagen helps.
    2. +2
      15 January 2014 09: 40
      Quote: FC Skif
      They just take the place of our unborn children.

      This is so.
      And the reason for their "fertility" is that they live in childbirth. And here even the institution of the family is quietly trying to destroy.
      The national idea of ​​Russia is obstetrics)). Although, they say, in every joke there is a fraction of a joke)).
    3. +1
      15 January 2014 16: 27
      Quote: FC Skiff They just take the place of our unborn children. Nature does not tolerate emptiness.

      Yes, we do not have any emptiness in Russia, we have enough people to feed ourselves. It is just that people who have a lot of money from this (due to low wages, etc.) are interested in their delivery to our territory. And how many of them stagger about without "business" in the same Moscow or St. Petersburg along the streets and in the subway, do they really occupy a void?
  4. +2
    15 January 2014 07: 28
    Of course, it’s very sad to see how some Russians in the literal sense of the Black Sea region come from Central Asia. But one thing I can say that the new generation of Central Asian youth is not the same people and not with the mortgage in their head and upbringing that their parents, who grew up and were brought up in a scoop. Nationalists worked on youth in Central Asia so that they began to perceive Russia as primarily an Imperial colonist. It is a fact. Yes, and what to say. Afghanistan is close by, and there has always been a bunch of fanatics who still have a grudge against Russia since the time of the war in Afghanistan.
    1. +2
      15 January 2014 07: 58
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Of course, it’s very sad to see how some Russians in the literal sense of the Black Sea region come from Central Asia.

      Doesn’t it cause you sadness? He came to us from Uzbekistan, probably, only from his work his hair stands on end
  5. +2
    15 January 2014 07: 31
    The current oligarchic-capitalist government of Russia, as shown by more than 20 years of experience in its existence, is unable to solve the socio-economic problems facing it, due to its predatory nature. Profit, money is their God and purpose.
    "The welfare of the people" - the idea of ​​the Soviet state, was thrown out of use by the "democrats". It was replaced by another state idea - the ruling golden calf. This is the reason for all the problems and conflicts in Russia.
    And the solution to these conflicts is to change the state ideology, and accordingly the power, because the current government is incapable of restoring the popular idea - the well-being of the whole people.
  6. Guun
    +3
    15 January 2014 07: 35
    Here, many write - Visa regime, send home or camps to cut wood. But they also want to revive the Union - a paradox. After WHAT is going on in Russia, normal people want to return to the Union? A minimum of the Russian Federation should speak, as the PRC now says, without looking back to the west. To solve the problem with sects such as hizbuts and takfirits (and there are a lot of them in the Russian Federation) - all this rubbish comes to us from the Caucasus and already from the south of Russia, and to make distinctions between NORMAL Muslims and radicals - a huge part of the population of the SA Muslims whom these sects call unbelievers. After all, we see the difference between Catholics and Orthodox (the latter killed as many people as Hitler could not kill.) And so, the problems that you have now will only increase, and how to solve them, democracy will be gone.
    1. +4
      15 January 2014 07: 45
      Quote: Guun
      But they also want to revive the Union - a paradox.

      And in the union they worked at home, and did not come on tour in Russia.
      Quote: Guun
      After WHAT is going on in Russia, normal people want to return to the Union?

      What is going on with us?
      Quote: Guun
      . To solve the problem with sects such as hizbuts and takfirits (and there are many of them in the Russian Federation) - all this rubbish comes to us from the Caucasus and already from the south of Russia

      Strange, yes, then what do we write ...
      Quote: Guun
      Here, many write - Visa regime, send home or camps to cut wood.
      Can they feed, wash, dress and warm?
      1. avt
        +2
        15 January 2014 10: 37
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Can they feed, wash, dress and warm?

        Understand forgive laughing It seems that Our Rush is taken seriously, but exactly before Jamshud and Ravshan appear, humiliation on a national basis is natural here.
    2. +2
      15 January 2014 07: 57
      Quote: Guun
      After all, we see the difference between Catholics and Orthodox (the latter killed as many people as Hitler could not kill.)

      And how many kind people were killed by the Orthodox, that you compare us with Adolf Aloizovich. Such as you, in the future Union are not needed for sure.
      1. Guun
        +5
        15 January 2014 08: 46
        Quote: ele1285
        And how many kind people were killed by the Orthodox, that you compare us with Adolf Aloizovich. Such as you, in the future Union are not needed for sure.

        Confused with Catholics. It happens.
    3. +2
      15 January 2014 09: 45
      Quote: Guun
      After all, we see the difference between Catholics and Orthodox (the latter killed as many people as Hitler could not kill.)

      Do you have a hat? Or do you really mean the "murderers" of the Orthodox, not the Catholics?
    4. avt
      +2
      15 January 2014 10: 19
      Quote: Guun
      But they also want to revive the Union - a paradox. After WHAT is going on in Russia, normal people want to return to the Union?

      And what exactly is going on in Russia? En masse, as for food, food detachments in Grazhdanskaya, conduct raiding operations, burst into auls and villages blooming and fragrant after the Imperial, Soviet past, and catch migrant workers in chains, like slaves from Africa, "common people" are taken to "plantations" streets of revenge and construction sites?
      Quote: aksakal
      For you need it more than us.

      laughing That is, to lie under the Chinese - quite comme il faut? No, that to some extent the insult gnaws - from a human understanding. But was it difficult to guess that when you will build a national state, and even on the denial of a common past, when, according to Stalin, local rulers in the fight against socialism will raise nationalist banners, certainly with the other side will have the same thing, and more slowly, but inconceivably? Here the author scares, and then suggests - "In the meantime, if we do not deal with the national policy of the future Union, then ethno-confessional tension may sooner or later spill over into ..." And who are we!? So far from the context I see that Russia is again and the Russians, ponimash. laughing Guun, it’s like saying the right thing
      Quote: Guun
      A minimum of the Russian Federation should speak, as the PRC now says, without looking back to the west. To solve the problem with sects such as hizbuts and takfirits (and there are a lot of them in the Russian Federation) - all this rubbish comes to us from the Caucasus and already from the south of Russia, and to make distinctions between NORMAL Muslims and radicals - a huge part of the population of the SA Muslims whom these sects call unbelievers.
      But again, the militants who actually fought in Chechnya and Dagestan, originally from Kazakhstan, were caught. And in Kazakhstan from Russia with a weapon in hand caught? So who and to whom should and can it somehow be done together? But then the mantra about sovereignty and imperial ambitions immediately arises. So why are you surprised that there are more supporters of the Empire in Russia ?? “Calling the Terrible? From now on I will be like this! "And as for the future of EVRAZES, do not worry. It has no future. Elbasy clearly said - no politics, which means no ideology and therefore no business and nothing personal. On such conditions, state associations are not created - look at ,, the union state ", we have already passed it. And the CIS is so.
      1. +1
        15 January 2014 14: 58
        With all due respect to the Russians, the Chinese do not shout "down with the newcomers", the Chinese do not beat or kill on the basis of a national sign on the streets, the Chinese always smile, but they do everything in their own way, there is something to learn ... And they completely destroy nationalities in their culture .. ...

        You can brew in your own juice without "black asses" and "chocks" until the next partition of Russia, right up to the Moscow principality of the 14th century ... No Russia, no Russians - no problems for the West ...
        1. +1
          15 January 2014 15: 06
          Quote: T80UM1
          With all due respect to the Russians, the Chinese do not shout "down with the newcomers", the Chinese do not beat or kill on the basis of a national sign on the streets, the Chinese always smile, but they do everything in their own way, there is something to learn ... And they completely destroy nationalities in their culture .. ...

          You can brew in your own juice without "black asses" and "chocks" until the next partition of Russia, right up to the Moscow principality of the 14th century ... No Russia, no Russians - no problems for the West ...


          Judging by the name you are Russian, and by comments you are a neophyte.
          1. +1
            15 January 2014 15: 10
            I am not Russian, not by nationality, not in spirit, I am more Soviet in spirit. Such statements, on both sides, distort me. I am a supporter of integration, not of small-town independence ... So you can decay to city-states ...
        2. Warrawar
          0
          15 January 2014 16: 47
          Quote: T80UM1
          With all due respect to the Russians, the Chinese do not shout "down with the newcomers", the Chinese do not beat or kill on the basis of a national sign on the streets, the Chinese always smile, but they do everything in their own way, there is something to learn ... And they completely destroy nationalities in their culture .. ...

          Do not carry nonsense. The Chinese despise migrants. And in the case of homelessness on the part of those who came in large numbers, they arrange for them to clean.
  7. +11
    15 January 2014 07: 47
    The article suggests begging. "Russia needs a new" Throw to the South "... but this thrust should not be aggressive and colonizing, but progressive. What can the post-Soviet Russian" elite "offer to the Central Asian" national outskirts "today," - And why should we offer them something. I must tell them sincerely (for example, to Tajikistan), without the help of Russia, you will all die of starvation or the Taliban will bend you. Of all Central Asia, Kazakhstan and, possibly, Turkmenistan is independent and responsible. Tajikistan is a clear parasite. The people are hardworking and the country is lazy.

    "Izzat Aman, complaining about the alleged, in his words," rampant fascism in Russia "
    - This rot has not yet seen fascism. But somehow diligently stirs up confrontation. Paired piaras love.

    "Oh, they are ungrateful, we feed them (the Caucasus) we give them the opportunity to earn money in Russia (Central Asia), and they still understand, they are pumping their rights! Everyone in the historical habitat, and with Central Asia - an urgent visa regime!". - there is a lot of truth. For zadolbali. If we treat you so fucking live at home. At home and not with us.

    To the author minus. And advice. While you and others like you do not forget that you are not at home but at a party, we treat you normally. And the longer your mitten is closed, the less we remember about you.
    1. +3
      15 January 2014 08: 06
      What can I offer?
      The same as Ukraine - to invest money in their economy - only the elite there is such that the money will disappear faster than in the Caucasus or in Moldova you will not find ...
  8. Valery Neonov
    +3
    15 January 2014 07: 50
    hi Russia needs a new “Throw to the South” ... but this throw should not be predatory and colonizingrather progressive.-What, when they were aggressive throws ... strange, I have not heard this ... request

    What can the post-Soviet Russian "elite" offer to the Central Asian "national outskirts"-SECURITY of their states in the first place,or this is not enough for elites in the national suburbs. laughing
  9. +7
    15 January 2014 07: 55
    "Last year, when the Tajiks-janitors were not given a salary in Moscow, they went out and protested. When the situation reaches the explosive point, they will come out again."

    And if the Russian men in response ask with a club, and how much did the Tajiks expel and kill the Russians.
    Article unfinished hypocrite.
  10. +10
    15 January 2014 08: 02
    You understand, the gastas really take money from us, I work in the construction industry myself, I have to cling to my orders, reducing prices to a minimum, I basically work only with our teams. Uzbekistan, etc. they take up all types of work, whether they know how or not, it’s only cheaper for the customer. How much later do you have to redo these mountain builders, sometimes you stand, look, scratch your turnips and you can’t understand how it was possible to do this. We pay taxes here, pay our various expenses at home, too, and do not withdraw earnings earned abroad. I believe that one addition to the law on migration should be introduced: expulsion from the country at the expense of the employer, regardless of whether it is an enterprise or a granny in the country.
    1. +3
      15 January 2014 08: 30
      Here are the objects of the modern Uzbek textiles in the center of the urban settlement of the Tashkent city. And do not think that the houses are old. All this was built after the union. Previously, in the place of these duvalls there were neat and modest fences of Russian and Tatar houses, instead of two-meter wormwood in the courtyards for making a broom there were gardens.
      1. +3
        15 January 2014 08: 51
        Quote: Humpty
        . And do not think that the houses are old. All this is built after the union.

        It remains only to say, Wah, what a good housing.
  11. Vitlek
    -2
    15 January 2014 08: 07
    "Russia needs to get rid of the Asian" underbelly "" (A.I.Solzhenitsyn)
    1. Clegg
      +3
      15 January 2014 09: 03
      Quote: Vitlek
      "Russia needs to get rid of the Asian" underbelly ""

      What kind of underbelly release mechanism did he offer?
      1. +1
        15 January 2014 11: 25
        Quote: Clegg
        Quote: Vitlek
        "Russia needs to get rid of the Asian" underbelly ""

        What kind of underbelly release mechanism did he offer?


        If he said this, this is his personal opinion, not an appeal.
        1. Clegg
          +2
          15 January 2014 11: 57
          Quote: RUSS
          If he said this, this is his personal opinion, not prizes

          Of course, I just want to know how he saw the way out of the underbelly
          1. +1
            15 January 2014 12: 08
            This question should have been asked to Solzhenitsyn, I know that he was more advocating for the unification of the Slavic states, and the "underbelly" apparently, in his opinion, should be kept and be friends at a distance.
            1. Clegg
              +4
              15 January 2014 12: 22
              Quote: RUSS
              This question had to be asked Solzhenitsyn,

              Vitlek user cited it, turned to him probably familiar with his works, he quotes once)

              Quote: RUSS
              and the "underbelly" apparently in his opinion you need to keep and be friends at a distance.

              clear
      2. Warrawar
        0
        15 January 2014 16: 49
        Quote: Clegg
        What kind of underbelly release mechanism did he offer?

        The mechanism is simple - the visa regime.
    2. +5
      15 January 2014 09: 17
      Quote: Vitlek
      "Russia needs to get rid of the Asian" underbelly "" (A.I.Solzhenitsyn)
      This was not enough yet! Everything he did and said, everything to the detriment of Russia.
      1. +3
        15 January 2014 09: 51
        Well, let it be without him. On my own behalf - "We need Central Asia only as a potential trading partner. No mergers, unions, free movements!"
        1. Clegg
          0
          15 January 2014 12: 04
          Quote: Mairos
          On my own behalf - "We need Central Asia only as a potential trading partner. No mergers, unions, free movements!"

          +
          I agree, trade within the CIS is all.
          And all sorts of alliances there only aggravate the situation and relations between peoples, the Russians do not want the Central Asians to come to work in Russia, and the Kazakhs regard all these steps as an attempt to reincarnate the USSR.
          1. 0
            15 January 2014 12: 20
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Mairos
            On my own behalf - "We need Central Asia only as a potential trading partner. No mergers, unions, free movements!"

            +
            I agree, trade within the CIS is all.
            And all sorts of alliances there only aggravate the situation and relations between peoples, the Russians do not want the Central Asians to come to work in Russia, and the Kazakhs regard all these steps as an attempt to reincarnate the USSR.


            The reincarnation of the USSR, this new "horror story" or utopia, can only be believed by a person with low weight or a person who has been brainwashed.
        2. +2
          15 January 2014 13: 02
          Plus. Definitely mutually beneficial trade relations, plus some cooperation in the field of education and culture.
    3. +3
      15 January 2014 09: 23
      Quote: Vitlek
      "Russia needs to get rid of the Asian" underbelly "" (A.I.Solzhenitsyn)


      They found authority. It would be hunchbacked, to whom the graves were pitifully praised.
    4. +2
      15 January 2014 15: 09
      Quote: Vitlek
      "Russia needs to get rid of the Asian" underbelly "" (A.I.Solzhenitsyn)

      - Do you quote the main hater of Stalin? Then you can decide whether you love Stalin or Solzhenitsyn — exactly the same as about trousers and a cross. Choose Solzhenitsyn — you know very well from which diaspora this Solzhenitsyn is. This people will not advise bad laughing In the same way, a new representative of the same diaspora, "political scientist Belkovsky", demands the release of Russia from the Caucasus laughing Whitlek, be honest, hang up the flag with the six-pointed star, let's be honest. And then pretending to be a Russian, in fact wishing for its collapse - you are acting very "diaspora".
      1. avt
        +1
        15 January 2014 15: 40
        Quote: aksakal
        Then decide whether you or Stalin love

        A peasant needs to love women. But in the assessment of the "chronicler," you are absolutely right - he is still a pots. Accept +. Well, as a surname he successfully fits inwardly - request you can’t imagine! laughing
  12. +2
    15 January 2014 08: 17
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Doesn’t it cause you sadness? He came to us from Uzbekistan, probably, only from his work his hair stands on end

    Dear in every country, there are moral wrods and criminals. I really won’t go into the story of criminal Russia. 90's is another story. Brother killed brother. We are talking about radical fanatics and zombies of Central Asian youth causing hatred of the Russians.
  13. +9
    15 January 2014 08: 17
    I read an article, a question for the author? In 1991, we were kicked out of Kyrgyzstan where I was born, go Russians to your Russia (they said that they barely took their feet), so: WHY DO I NEED TO RESPECT THIS FEUDAL BURNING FROM MIDDLE ASIA ????
  14. +2
    15 January 2014 08: 28
    Are there any global problems? And look at the household level? Tell me, if a tenant settles in your apartment, and your whole family will "tolerate" all their antics, will you have enough for a long time? So it is in the country. When visitors do not take into account either customs or traditions. They speak only their own language.
    Just yesterday started a repair, trying to ask the janitors to take out the trash. They don’t understand Russian, the wife somehow explained on her fingers that we would pay. So by the evening they were not standing on their feet. And if you can’t see the difference, then why do we need visitors?
    And then all the talk comes down to one thing. So far, the country has a liberal ideology. while traders rule the country. No decrees and decisions, at least the government, at least someone else. No problem, including this one, will be solved.
  15. ed65b
    +3
    15 January 2014 08: 46
    What does the author suggest ??? Yes, just a kiss in the ass, every Asian who came to Russia, give him "the keys to the apartment where the money is." And the fact that the mentality of the newcomers has completely changed and they have forgotten how to speak Russian, he does not see it point-blank. the fact that they get lost in flocks and are simply engaged in robbery and violence also does not notice. Why is some "ram" Tajik from the union of their youth threatening us Russians sitting on an upholstered chair in Moscow and we let him down? Let him go home to his homeland and in general what kind of an alliance such an aggressive one with 6000 members can militants be. After all, he is a "dog" refers to them as a backbone. Only yesterday there was an article about the work of the FSB, where is the work? and this is in Moscow. The field is not plowed.
  16. +5
    15 January 2014 08: 46
    Immediately after the collapse of the USSR, when people still remembered what the friendship of peoples was, the problem of “strangers” from the South of the post-Soviet space did not arise. It began to aggravate (or it began to deliberately aggravate) gradually,
    That's right, it has become aggravated, because your elites have been eating away the legacy of the USSR and not creating anything in their republics, and people who can object to your authority are forced to go to work. You need to protest not in Moscow, but in Dushamba and Tashkent but you are probably afraid against Karimov and Rakhmonov you can go only in Moscow.
  17. +6
    15 January 2014 09: 44
    Well, it’s a stump, the Eurasian Union, if there are Uzbekistan and Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Well, it’s a stump - it is necessary to close the borders to the south, and not to open the shire yet. To trade, to cooperate - please, but free movement in the vocational educational institution, we will simply be drowned by the masses of Asian people, completely alien both in the worldview and in the ethnocultural sense. I do not want to turn the country into Central Asia. And so hard and sick.
    1. Warrawar
      +1
      15 January 2014 12: 52
      Quote: Mairos
      Well, it’s a stump, the Eurasian Union, if there are Uzbekistan and Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Well, it’s a stump - it is necessary to close the borders to the south, and not to open the shire yet. To trade, to cooperate - please, but free movement in the vocational educational institution, we will simply be drowned by the masses of Asian people, completely alien both in the worldview and in the ethnocultural sense. I do not want to turn the country into Central Asia. And so hard and sick.

      This is for sure - the union, as they say, has exclusively economic motives. Then the relationship should be built solely on a commercial basis. Only business and nothing more.
  18. Dardanec
    +1
    15 January 2014 09: 59
    Quote: Lk17619
    I read an article, a question for the author? In 1991, we were kicked out of Kyrgyzstan where I was born, go Russians to your Russia (they said that they barely took their feet), so: WHY DO I NEED TO RESPECT THIS FEUDAL BURNING FROM MIDDLE ASIA ????

    One question, and where exactly did you live, in which region and village?
    1. +1
      15 January 2014 10: 07
      Osh city, near the border with Uzbekistan.
      1. 0
        15 January 2014 21: 15
        Quote: Lk17619
        Osh city, near the border with Uzbekistan.


        Photo for you. We are here, about where the shooting point came from, at 86-89 every spring we went to competitions. Now it’s impossible now, the object of a religious cult. It is forbidden to engage in sports on Suleimank, but you can poke traitors with mobile operators and shit in the caves of a holy place.
        1. 0
          16 January 2014 08: 12
          Do not make me sad ..... As I recall the museum in the cave ... Oh, it was a little time, but how did the tulips bloom.
  19. 0
    15 January 2014 10: 24
    Indeed, it is difficult to understand the Russian soul, then we create an alliance, ala hurray, unite, revive the USSR and the like, then down with everyone home, monkeys, etc. A cool alliance will turn out. So, we conclude that this alliance will be the same as CIS and OKKB, i.e. no or crumble in an instant.
    1. +1
      15 January 2014 11: 32
      Quote: Yeraz
      Indeed, it is difficult to understand the Russian soul, then we create an alliance, ala hurray, unite, revive the USSR and the like, then down with everyone home, monkeys, etc. A cool alliance will turn out. So, we conclude that this alliance will be the same as CIS and OKKB, i.e. no or crumble in an instant.


      Do not confuse illegal migration with interethnic integration.
  20. 0
    15 January 2014 10: 41
    Izzat Aman, what's so strange about that name or Emomali Rahmon? It seems like nothing, but until the recent past Rakhmon was Rakhmonov, that is, these comrades removed the ending "ov" from their surnames, thereby corroding the entire Russian (Soviet) heritage, are they ashamed or hated by everything Russian? Not only do they change the names of streets and cities, they come up with more "euphonious" surnames. Only for the sake of whom, from the fact that he became Rakhmon, he became more Tajik?
  21. +1
    15 January 2014 10: 50
    What do most offer? Expel, while insulting, humiliating, recalling past grievances. Then in the 90s there were a lot of freaks, both in Russia and in the former republics of the USSR. The expulsion of Russian-speakers from the republics for the republics themselves turned into a mass of negative consequences. But then the rules were greedy for power and narrowly limited national elite. Revenge now for this, calling for the same is not funny, but stupid.
    Some in their dreams go very far, and the call flies to drive all the non-Russians with a filthy broom. In the modern Russian Federation, almost 190 peoples live. Neither the authorities of the Russian Empire, nor the authorities in the USSR raised the question of exile, but created their own version of the solution to the national question. The power of interethnic Russia was, inter alia, the attraction of national elites, passionaries to the all-Russian elite.
    It is dangerous to think narrowly, pay for stupid decisions. In Russia, the problem, unfortunately, is not solved.
    Why should the media not pay attention to other facts, like the story of a Dagestan guy.
    The incident happened on June 24 in the area of ​​the village of Mozhzhinka near Zvenigorod.
    Two girls in the company of friends bathed in the Moskva River when they began to be carried down the river in a strong current. After hearing cries for help, 24-year-old Marat Rakhmetov, who also came to swim in the river, rushed to the aid of those drowning. The guy managed to push them to the shore but he himself no longer had the strength to get out, and he went under water.
  22. -1
    15 January 2014 11: 01
    NO CONCEPT CAUCASUS --- there are Russians
    there is no concept of Siberian, or Far Far East is all the nationalities of RUSSIA mother!
    And these KLICHIKA HANGED US NEIGHBORHOOD! and neighbors from the USA!

    the goal is one - to bring discord between nations in a single country!
    Until now, I can’t understand - why ours will not BURN THE USA ??? there are also LOT OF PEOPLES
    1. Warrawar
      +1
      15 January 2014 16: 54
      Quote: Nitarius
      NO CONCEPT CAUCASUS --- there are Russians
      there is no concept of Siberian, or Far Far East is all the nationalities of RUSSIA mother!

      Russian is citizenship (at best). There is no such ethnicity as "Russian".
      Caucasian is a conditional name for several hundred nationalities living in the region of the same name.
  23. +1
    15 January 2014 11: 31
    As for "feeding, washing, heating" - is it not too fat? In Russia there are enough of our people below the poverty line, helping first of all with social adaptation, good work as a component is necessary for our own! If anyone has not yet understood! Migration rules need to be tightened and urgently to introduce a visa regime, and the shrill defenders who are trying to climb into our monastery with their Charter, track down and deport without the right to re-enter Russia, came so immediately to "smear their forehead with green paint" and to the fence, so that others would not be familiar.
    1. 0
      15 January 2014 12: 02
      And if the shrill ones are not the visitors at all, but those who urge everyone to expel them from the holy land, to fence themselves off from everyone. Do you call on greens to brush your forehead in order to shoot or rather? And if not a newcomer speaks about the mutual understanding of peoples in Russia, but a native. What do you want to do with it?
      I DO NOT understand where so many bold and uncompromising advisers on resolving the national question come from, whose appeals lead only to disaster. Why are there so many ridiculous sentences, after all, not from indigestion? Well, a normal thinking person cannot offer impossible or stupid things. And the majority in VO seem to me like this: thinking.
  24. dmb
    +2
    15 January 2014 12: 13
    Yeah. And all these citizens right there yell that we are Russians the most peaceful, kind and sympathetic people in the universe. It can and so, just not them to talk about it. I already wrote once, but I will repeat myself. Well, I have not seen any of them with a poster demanding that Usmanov be expelled from Russia, and when Central Asian beys or Transcaucasian beks come to us, they kiss them with pleasure and eat vodka together. If you kick the janitor with your foot, that’s yes. He won’t give back, but Usmanov’s guards will teach you internationalism at once. About the North Caucasus, this is generally a song. Well, firstly, if any of the nationalist gentlemen does not know, this is the territory of Russia and the citizens of Russia live there. And if these citizens hold a rally legally, then they have the right to do it even in Makhachkala, even in Tver. Regarding the impossibility of the nationalists themselves to carry out a similar action in Grozny, they should make claims to the authorities in the Kremlin, which deliberately gave the region to the bandits, and even subsidizes them. By the way, let me remind you that not so long ago a group of "fierce fighters for the purity of the white race" visited Grozny and then sang the praises of the Chief Bandit for a very long time.
  25. Warrawar
    0
    15 January 2014 12: 46
    The "Eurasian Union" has no future. The sooner it falls apart, the better (for everyone).
  26. General Ermolov
    +3
    15 January 2014 13: 39
    article nonsense
    what are the two decades
    if persecution of the Russian population began immediately after the collapse of the USSR
    the same tajikistan or isabejan as an example
    I’m silent about the Caucasus
  27. 0
    15 January 2014 13: 43
    What industry does Russia need a vehicle for?
  28. striker
    +1
    15 January 2014 15: 08
    Author Eric Khanymamedov
    Some time ago, Russian media reported that Caucasian Russians, representatives of Central Asian diasporas, as well as Tatar nationalists plan to hold an “All-Russian rally against Islamophobia” in Moscow.

    Caucasian "Tozherosians" cynically decided to use "brothers in faith" in their selfish interests:

    Independence Square in exchange for a vegetable warehouse. Caucasians revealed the cards.
    http://shturmnovosti.info/node/10314

    eh, chocks, chocks ....
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  30. +2
    15 January 2014 19: 10
    what I read the article with interest and all the comments. I understood only one thing. The Union will be very cheerful if it is created laughing . will definitely not be bored.
  31. -1
    15 January 2014 21: 37
    The rhetoric of the article is as if we owe something to the republics of Central Asia. In Soviet times, so more than half rested on the shoulders of the Russian people, and a lot was invested in the republics, unlike the colonial states of the Anglo-Skas and others like them.
    When the union collapsed, the entire Russian population from the Srd-Asian and North Caucasian republics was simply expelled ...
    So what now? Everyone goes to hated Russia - why the heck is it asking?
    In general, a surge of emotions is a minus article. We do not need such a USSR 2 — a purely economic interaction.

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