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Caucasians denied a millionth rally at Manezhnaya

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Caucasians denied a millionth rally at Manezhnaya

The Moscow mayor’s office does not agree on a rally at Manezhnaya Square against Islamophobia and Caucasophobia, in which the participation of a million people was announced.


The application for the millionth rally was filed on January 26, however, in the metropolitan government they say that Manezhnaya Square is not suitable for mass events and nothing has been held there for a long time.

The initiators of the action declared that they wanted to speak, in particular, in support of lawyer Murad Musayev, who was suspected of bribing witnesses and putting pressure on the jury during the investigation into the murder of Yuri Budanov.

Also in the plans of the activists was to express dissatisfaction with the ban on wearing hijabs in Russian schools and opposing the construction of mosques in cities.

The Russian Congress of the Peoples of the Caucasus and the Union of the Faithful from Dagestan are trying to organize a rally. At the same time, one of the organizers, Muhammad Magomedov, a member of the Union of the Faithful, was prosecuted in connection with statements made at the conference “Problems of Islam in Russia,” reports NTV.
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  1. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 14 January 2014 10: 45
    +50
    Here it’s a direct impetus to hold such rallies before the Olympics .. This is all the links of the same chain clearly
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 14 January 2014 10: 52
      +89
      So I think maybe on Easter I can come with friends and relatives to Makhachkala or Grozny, and before that, hopak, hopak, dance in the central square and after all this (if I’ll stay alive and gather everyone who was alive and healthy), go back to the square and arrange a rally against Russophobia and Orthodoxy!
      1. Retx
        Retx 14 January 2014 10: 56
        +57
        Quote: evgenii67
        go back to the square and arrange a rally against RUSSOPHOBIA and Orthodox Christianity!

        You will be called a Russian fascist and detained (and most likely imprisoned) under the 282 article.
        1. domokl
          domokl 14 January 2014 11: 48
          +25
          Quote: RETX
          You will be called a Russian fascist

          I’m not sure that the case will be opened at all ... Due to the absence of the accused ... the hooligans will injure incompatible with life and evaporate ...
          And according to the article ... In no case should such permission be allowed in Moscow. I understand. How difficult it will be to come up with an excuse for refusal, but it is impossible ... This category of people resembles Kipling red dogs ... They are safe one by one, but when there are a lot of them ...
          1. A.YARY
            A.YARY 14 January 2014 12: 22
            +15
            Alexander good day
            The question here is like an abscess, here pus will flow and it is impossible to comb, infection can be picked up. Such is the dilemma.
            But the apparent reluctance and, in many cases, indulgence in Islamic scumbags, puts a fat cross on the remnants of confidence in the authorities at all levels.
            I’m only afraid that thanks to these traitors, they will begin to cut us in our house.
            We will then smear them (and cruelly), but how many people will suffer before that?
            1. domokl
              domokl 14 January 2014 13: 15
              +7
              Quote: A.YARY
              The question here is like an abscess, here pus will flow and it is impossible to comb

              I welcome Andrey! I agree completely ... The main thing that the rally’s supporters have reached with this application has increased confidence in the authorities. Yes, I am sure that it has arrived in the ranks of nationalists .. Such a rally can sweep away power in Moscow, and possibly in Russia.
              If allowed, then it will be necessary to protect .. And this is a direct conflict at the beginning with the nationalists. And then with the non-Caucasians at all ... And if it starts .. Then 93 will seem like a child’s game ... And it will not be limited to just shooting the White House .. .
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 14 January 2014 15: 55
                +3
                Quote: domokl
                If allowed, then it will be necessary to protect.

                You can protect a couple of three days, or even longer, until everyone is checked.
                Protect but check!
        2. IRBIS
          IRBIS 14 January 2014 16: 30
          +6
          Quote: RETX
          You will be called a Russian fascist and detained (and most likely imprisoned) under the 282 article.

          Yeah ... The bodies of the detainees will be delivered to the nearest landfill.
          For starters, you men, in your cities, have put things in order, and only then would you dream of such voyages.
          Everyone is so brave when they knock on the keyboard, but on the streets something "heroes" are not observed, all languages ​​†‹вЂ‹ stick in .opu and quickly run past the dancing mountaineers.
          I myself have the views of a nationalist, but to dream of such crap is from the category of a "genius" thought.
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 14 January 2014 20: 35
          +1
          Quote: RETX
          You will be called a Russian fascist and detained (and most likely imprisoned) under the 282 article.

          Unfortunately, here on the forum almost 70 percent can be attracted for inciting ethnic hatred, for expressing one’s opinion. (I just don’t take insults into account) A strange situation in the country. If you call yourself Russian, then you are automatically considered nationalists, like other nations it does not apply
        4. wulf66
          wulf66 14 January 2014 23: 56
          +1
          About the 282nd article there will be a conversation only if, evgenii67 with his friends, will be able to leave there. Alas, I’m afraid they just won’t find him (by the principle: there is no body, no business). There was no Soviet power there during the USSR, but what is going on there now ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 11: 21
        +21
        Quote: evgenii67
        So I think maybe on Easter I can come with friends and relatives to Makhachkala or Grozny, and before that, hopak under the Kalinka-raspberry, dance in the central square and

        All the highlanders will stand against you, say that you should not behave like that in their homeland.
        1. evgenii67
          evgenii67 14 January 2014 11: 38
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          All the highlanders will stand against you, say that you should not behave like that in their homeland.

          ALL Highlanders- I’ll probably agree here, but TELL I doubt their diplomacy,
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          that you should not behave like that in their homeland.
          this and my homeland is Russia.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 11: 47
            +13
            Quote: evgenii67
            but they will SAY I doubt their diplomacy,

            The media will say exactly on the cameras, but what you are being blamed for, you yourself will be to blame. You need to respect the traditions of living citizens when you visit them. They are Russians and Russia their motherland.
            Quote: evgenii67
            this and my homeland is Russia

            So they say just that in Moscow-hey, this is my homeland yes. We are the owners here.
            1. Tartary
              Tartary 14 January 2014 16: 22
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The media will say exactly on the cameras, but what will be piled on you, well, so you yourself will be to blame.

              Heaped up ... this in the sense of will collect all the martial arts champions ???

              Funny ...

              My Russian Tatar (Tartar) EGO is about to wake up, and then even the champions will not be able to do anything ...
          2. Kolya
            Kolya 15 January 2014 09: 59
            +1
            The rally is declared as against Islamophobia, and on the agenda the propaganda and promotion of Islam, moreover, radical, hijabs in schools, etc.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 11: 43
          +2
          Far East, what do you disagree with, or are you a guest from the Caucasus and very upset by the cancellation of the rally?
        3. Cynic
          Cynic 14 January 2014 16: 10
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          all the highlanders will stand

          What mountaineers are you talking about?
          Yes, already for trying _
          Quote: evgenii67
          under the Kalinka-raspberry hopak dance

          they are already looking for generous Ukrainians!
        4. Ihrek
          Ihrek 14 January 2014 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          All the highlanders will stand against you, say that you should not behave like that in their homeland.

          Mr. Romanov, one cannot think so badly about mountaineers. You argue as if it had already been more than once. You are just afraid that they will relate in the same way as Russians relate to Lezginka. I assure you there are no Nazi and fascist sentiments in the Caucasus. If you want to conduct an experiment, you will dance a hapak in Makhachkala where it is not prohibited by law and look at the reaction of people. Maintenance and protection in which case I guarantee. I understand this also requires courage and this is not because of the corner to blame. But I assure you nothing bad people will not think. And your statements, like many members of the forum about the Caucasus, are groundless. Then someone on the site asked what the organizers of the explosions in Volgograd achieved. They have achieved their goal - the growth of anti-Caucasian moods in Russia.
          1. Sergeant64
            Sergeant64 14 January 2014 20: 50
            +3
            Kunak! You're right, that is how it will be. Only where did those who wanted to dance lezginka come from, not in the park, but under the windows and with large decibels of music accompaniment?
            1. Ihrek
              Ihrek 14 January 2014 23: 51
              +2
              Quote: Sergeant64
              But where did those who wanted to dance lezginka come from, not in the park, but under the windows and with large decibels of musical accompaniment?

              And for some reason only Caucasians notice it. Or that really no one except Caucasians allows himself to turn on music at full power? This is called, as our politicians often say about the West, a policy of double standards. Just like Rasul Mirzaev was tried - he served several years because of the murder through negligence. Or, for example, they suggest that a Dagestani bully and his wife be given a well-known case for life for beating a police officer in Moscow. Many of these facts are heard throughout the country, because the Caucasians did it. And how many Caucasians die at the hands of bandits no one knows. Because it’s not customary to talk about it on TV. I assure you an order of magnitude more. And they do it purposefully and intentionally. Usually a crowd and with knives on single people of Caucasian appearance. And manly, one on one never go. For the jackals and the soul of the jackal. So, they broke the skull of a policeman (thank God alive), they offer to give the culprit life. And any Nazi killers in the group are usually justified, more often they simply don’t even want to catch them. And for the murder of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Dagestan in 2009, the Russian was given only 8 years. I am sure you have not even heard of this. and if this were done by a Caucasian in central Russia, then he would have been given a life sentence and would have sounded calls to put all relatives to confiscate all property. In recent years, there have been much more terrorist attacks in Dagestan than in the rest of Russia. Among the terrorists there are many Russians. But little is heard about this. And if this happened somewhere not in the North Caucasian republics, then everything - all Caucasians are gangsters to punish everyone, send them all somewhere, do something with everyone and the sooner the better. People turn on brains. You play into the hands of the same organizers of the attacks. Only not many understand this. People, let's live together until it's too late, stick together. And not to show their weakness, not to succumb to emotions, to drive all sorts of provocateurs and politicians with a filthy broomstick who are rating themselves on Nazi slogans and statements.
              1. Sergeant64
                Sergeant64 8 March 2014 03: 03
                0
                Reasonable thoughts, it is worth listening. So, after all, do you have to defiantly dance under the windows or shoot in Moscow from the window leaves of wedding crews? There is little self-criticism, dear friend. I will add. The bandit must sit on a bed of cabbage in Kolyma! Whoever he is is Caucasian, Ethiopian or Siberian. So that.
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          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 15 January 2014 05: 10
            +1
            Quote: Jamal
            . You argue as if it had already been more than once.

            It has been more than once!
            Quote: Jamal
            And your statements, like many members of the forum about the Caucasus, are groundless

            I see how Caucasians behave in Russian cities, I see their "culture" and "civilization" so let's not talk about groundlessness.
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        6. does it
          does it 14 January 2014 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          All the highlanders will stand against you, say that you should not behave like that in their homeland.

          Good evening ! Alexander, and Lezginka on Red Square, after the terrorist attack in STALINGgrad is possible? I was stunned by this behavior .....
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 14 January 2014 14: 56
        -4
        Quote: evgenii67
        So I think maybe come for Easter

        Have you seen the movie - evil bad good ..... remember how Bad says there .... why spread the bazaar here, if you want to shoot, so shoot smile I love when all ideas come true .... fellow GOOD LUCK ..
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 14 January 2014 10: 56
      +11
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Here it’s a direct impetus to hold such rallies before the Olympics .. These are all links of the same chain
      You are right MIKHAN, So 27 of Nobel laureates wrote an open letter to Putin with a request to lift the ban on geypropaganda.And more than half a million migrants, from 3 to 10 years old, were banned from entering Russia.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 14 January 2014 11: 19
        +3
        What did you mean? The list of laureates - surely fighters for the rights of "people"? ))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 11: 25
          +5
          Quote: Mairos
          The list of laureates - surely fighters for the rights of "people"? )

          Yes, there are all from the USA and geopyrope.
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 14 January 2014 11: 31
            +15
            Ugums. Found already ..
            "Protest is never easy, but we hope that by expressing disagreement with the new legislation, we will encourage the Russian state to uphold in the 90st century the humanitarian, political and democratic principles that Mikhail Gorbachev was involved in," the open letter says. - after that, comments are unnecessary. Their ideal is humpbacked. Therefore, their ideal of Russia is Russia of the XNUMXs. Let's go to the op!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 11: 24
        +6
        Quote: bomg.77
        wrote to Putin an open letter,with the request lift the ban on geypropaganda.

        Alexey, I’ll fix it a bit, there’s not a request there.27 Nobel laureates in the field of science and art addressed an open letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to repeal “repressive homophobic legislation”,http://news.mail.ru/politics/16462367/
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 14 January 2014 11: 48
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Alex,
          Alexander hi
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I will correct a little, there is not a request there requirement.
          Look how it is! I had infa from liberoid sources, they offer it as a request))) they even deceive this.
      3. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin 14 January 2014 11: 32
        +3
        Quote: bomg.77
        half a million

        strongly said, + good
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 14 January 2014 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: Luzhichanin
          Quote: bomg.77
          half a million
          strongly said, +
          )))) New Year, do not judge strictly
          laughing
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    3. diver1977
      diver1977 14 January 2014 10: 58
      +15
      If the rally was allowed, then he himself would have become the simplest explanation and illustration of the causes of Caucasophobia))) Obviously, quietly would not have ended. And maybe not a million, a lot of them would have come, most likely - EVERYTHING.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 14 January 2014 11: 55
        +10
        Quote: diver1977
        If the rally was allowed,

        In Grozny, in 90x, they also rallied peacefully like that .... How it ended more than is known ...
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          dmitrij.blyuz 14 January 2014 14: 15
          +9
          Something is planned, it looks like. A million are going to be taken out. IN MOSCOW. The reason is, they’re, like, oppressed. Hijabs in OUR, RUSSIAN SCHOOLS are forbidden to wear them. And who will answer me - who allowed blackness to set conditions for SLAVES?
        2. FormerMariman
          FormerMariman 15 January 2014 19: 50
          +1
          Victor, there were such rallies, a fact, probably uncomfortable for your site:
          After the Supreme Council lifted restrictions on the resettlement of the deported peoples of the North Caucasus — Chechens, Ingush, and Karachais — in 1956, the natives began to return to Grozny, which caused discontent among the newcomers. The anti-Chechen sentiment in the city reached its peak when, on August 23, 1958, in a brawl that started over a girl, tipsy young Chechens killed Stepashin, a chemical worker.
          Two days later, in the village where the deceased lived, spontaneous actions began, the participants of which promised to "write a collective letter on behalf of the Russian people" demanding to again evict Chechens from Grozny. Stepashin’s friends tried to coordinate the rally, but he was banned, and at the funeral, it was decided to carry the coffin to the regional committee of the CPSU.
          About 800 people reached the final destination of the procession. The crowd remaining in the cemetery after the funeral staged a spontaneous rally, after which the demonstrators went to storm the regional committee. At night, with the help of police and KGB troops, the building was vacated, up to 50 people were detained.
          The next morning, a new rally was held in Grozny: those gathered demanded that the detained workers be released and the Chechens and Ingushs evicted, and then they staged a pogrom in the regional committee. By evening, the crowd took hostage the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Republic and occupied the buildings of the Republican Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB. While one part of the rioters tried to get in touch with Moscow, the other turned over the fire engines and tried to damage the railroad tracks.
          On the night of August 28-29, troops arrived in Grozny that were able to stop the riots. Since their inception, 32 people have been affected. By mid-September, 273 people had been taken into development by law enforcement agencies and 58 criminal cases had been opened.
    4. major071
      major071 14 January 2014 11: 00
      +25
      Apparently they received money from the Saudis or the West (in short, from sponsors) and decided that they can do anything. Moreover, to escalate the situation. Check all organizers for involvement in terrorist attacks and other crimes. It will obviously turn out that half have a "stigma in the gun". negative Organizers, b ... am
      1. ty60
        ty60 14 January 2014 14: 55
        0
        Well, maybe Ramzan drove?
    5. Trailer
      Trailer 14 January 2014 11: 05
      +1
      And rightly so!
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    7. ed65b
      ed65b 14 January 2014 18: 07
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Here it’s a direct impetus to hold such rallies before the Olympics .. This is all the links of the same chain clearly

      Yes, they Mikhan do not give a damn about the Olympics from the big bell tower. Already pulled up the requirements in defense of the freak lawyer. Wahhabi bastard and in the very center of Moscow, here is their plan, and then smash it and slice it to the noise. And there are 100 pounds in the crowd of terrorists. In general, not only to ban but also to plant the organizers of the rally for inciting ethnic hatred.
  2. klimpopov
    klimpopov 14 January 2014 10: 46
    +20
    Well, you have to be complete idiots to substitute (in the sense of administration) so before the Olympics. Or did someone really believe that the action would be peaceful? By the way, what did the organizers hope for? Is it not to receive an official refusal? Now there is a trump card. Like they forbid ...
    1. matross
      matross 14 January 2014 10: 55
      +11
      Quote: klimpopov
      before the olympiad

      Do you think that the Olympics will take place and something will change? Will everyone screw a nut? I doubt it ... There is a new reason for tolerance, at least a soccer championship.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 14 January 2014 11: 02
        +4
        And that is true. However, they refused. Apparently they understood that the situation was at its limit. Why bring it to this. Well, and besides, that this is a provocation, I have no doubt at all (in the sense of a rally).
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 14 January 2014 11: 19
          +6
          Quote: klimpopov
          However, they refused.

          They refused because all these pr.i.du.rki, from "Congress of the Peoples of the Caucasus and the" Union of the Faithful "from Dagestan" declared a million. They would have blurted out 10-20, 30 thousand would have allowed. We’ll see everything like that soon. They are in so many mosques, why the hell did they set up? And really want? They will have to listen to their moaning. They will also announce this. Namely - Z A I B I T.
          Don't put your finger in your mouth, remember?
          1. 120352
            120352 14 January 2014 13: 27
            +7
            Until we show our tough and cruel strength against them, they will ride us! As they drive now and capture Russia. From Stavropol there is nothing left. All tidied up. And if so, conduct tank exercises there. No one needs to be warned. Officially, nothing is registered there, which means there is no one to warn. Then it will be possible to express something, such as regret. But no regrets. Not in front of anyone!
        2. 120352
          120352 14 January 2014 13: 28
          -1
          And it was not necessary to let them multiply!
      2. 120352
        120352 14 January 2014 13: 43
        +10
        Do not worry about a football championship. Money for it has been stolen for a long time already, I see this using the example of the former Kirov Stadium on Krestovsky, and from the population, with a constant increase in prices for everything and real income per employee working no higher than 20 ty (this is the salary of a professor at a state university), and take nothing already. I’m trying my best to not owe debt for the apartment, so as not to be evicted to the street, and not to go ragged, so as not to frighten the students with their appearance. But it is difficult. People of my age around me live no better. Of the last forces. The oligarchs do not need our apartments. And people of our wealth are not able to buy them. So, the last resource remains: BODIES. They’ll take us apart, if anyone else has something left to use, they’ll sell them, as the Albanian authorities sold, you look, and there’s enough money for a couple of balls ... And so, I think that the right to host the World Cup will be sold then a third country. But the problems will remain.
        1. matross
          matross 14 January 2014 16: 59
          0
          Quote: 120352
          professors at state university

          Are you really a professor? And in what area of ​​knowledge, if not secret?
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    3. Hon
      Hon 14 January 2014 10: 55
      +1
      Quote: klimpopov
      Well, you have to be complete idiots to substitute (in the sense of administration) so before the Olympics. Or did someone really believe that the action would be peaceful? By the way, what did the organizers hope for? Is it not to receive an official refusal? Now there is a trump card. Like they forbid ...

      I wonder what the refusal was justified. Surely they will appeal.
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 14 January 2014 11: 02
        +2
        and after an appeal they can give another place in Moscow, which in general is one and the same ..
        1. matross
          matross 14 January 2014 11: 15
          +4
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          may give another place in Moscow

          Yes, never in life they will not be allowed to rally in Moscow! Under any pretext. This can generally blow up the situation both in Moscow and in the country.
          1. shtanko.49
            shtanko.49 14 January 2014 11: 26
            +2
            The topic of the rally itself fits the article, but the law cannot be violated.
          2. 120352
            120352 14 January 2014 13: 20
            +2
            And the victims of the explosion, it seems to me, will be those who came to the rally ... They also have such a good tradition of sending explosive aunts everywhere. Well, let them send them to a rally. Based on one for 20 bodies.
          3. ty60
            ty60 14 January 2014 15: 03
            0
            A double-edged sword. The subsidized regions of Moscow are not happy. Free arrows from the Caucasus will try to pull this topic out as to Bolotnaya. A direct attempt to undermine the foundations. The theme with mosques is mandatory, although it is easier to control officially existing ones than spontaneous prayer houses where the first one preaches.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 11: 27
          +4
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          and after appeal they can give another place in Moscow

          If in Lifortova, then I am for.
          1. CHILD
            CHILD 14 January 2014 11: 48
            +6
            you’re angry .... they won’t get in there ..... but if the ice on the Moskva River became .... let them gather there ... the main thing is not to forget at this time the water from the thermal power station accidentally dumped ... ..
            1. 120352
              120352 14 January 2014 13: 15
              +1
              Why stain water? Then it will be impossible to either wash or get drunk! Let's get them better down the drain, or something ...
              1. CHILD
                CHILD 14 January 2014 13: 54
                +2
                ..will be washed?)))) it is possible, but what would it be ... to drink water from the Moskva River ???? it is easier to shoot yourself in the forehead, at least quickly, and not three days of diarrhea and slow death))) ))) a glass of water from the river to each "guest" of the capital on the platform of the station upon arrival .... and that's it, the problem of migration is solved ...))))
          2. 120352
            120352 14 January 2014 14: 17
            0
            Appeal only after execution.
        3. 120352
          120352 14 January 2014 13: 22
          0
          A better near Moscow. In some galleries, in abandoned subway tunnels ...
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 14 January 2014 18: 21
            +3
            Quote: 120352
            conduct tank exercises there. No one needs to be warned. Officially, nothing is registered there, which means there is no one to warn.

            Quote: 120352
            And it was not necessary to let them multiply!

            Quote: 120352
            there is such a good tradition of sending explosive aunts everywhere.

            Quote: 120352
            Let's get them better down the drain, or something ...

            Quote: 120352
            A better near Moscow. In some galleries, in abandoned subway tunnels ...

            I think we need to get the grandfather’s shotgun from the closet ...

            Better in unheated stews and under escort. So the impressions of the trip will be brighter.

            You can combine travel with healthy fasting. Just prohibit taking any things with you, including eating and drinking.

            Such cops should be together with Muslims on the Novosibirsk islands ...

            Quote: matRoss
            Are you really a professor? And in what area of ​​knowledge, if not secret?

            Let me answer. You are a rare kindness person. Straight - a humanist. But your knowledge in the fields of biology, chemistry, physiology, etc. is huge fellow Your specialization is "Fast and sophisticated utilization of biological material in various conditions."
            But I'm afraid to even think about the topic of your dissertation. Fantasy will bring my brain to a complete collapse. belay hi
      2. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 11: 03
        +11
        They discussed that Manezh is not suitable for rallies. Oh-wei, I often pass by there, I remember that torment when the football ground was killed, by the way. Well, if the Mohammedbeks still decide to pack up, then I think no one will be standing on ceremony with them, I think they already got everyone, aren't they?
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 14 January 2014 11: 05
          +1
          Stand on ceremony? In the sense of a policeman? I think no one will touch the protesters ...
          1. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 11: 19
            +1
            If the rally is illegal, I think that they will quickly disperse, otherwise it will ... Let not the massacre of course, but interethnic riots for sure. And such problems in Moscow, and even for the Olympics itself, are unnecessary to anyone, including and anti-xenophobes, and even they don’t want to get on their heads, they want to give out lyuli themselves, which is what they’ll break into
        2. 120352
          120352 14 January 2014 13: 13
          +1
          I think we need to get the grandfather’s shotgun from the closet ...
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 January 2014 11: 04
      +7
      Quote: klimpopov
      By the way, what the organizers hoped for


      Only Allah knows. But a million Caucasians in Moscow, yes. Power. Just why are the highlanders rallying in Moscow, and not in the Caucasus? I will answer where they live there and rally.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 11: 29
        +8
        Quote: Vadivak
        . Just why are the highlanders rallying in Moscow, and not in the Caucasus?

        And there they are, in fact, the owners, and here it’s not yet completely .. That's why there is a rally here to become masters in Russia.
        Hi Vadim
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 January 2014 12: 22
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: klimpopov
        By the way, what the organizers hoped for


        Only Allah knows. But a million Caucasians in Moscow, yes. Power. Just why are the highlanders rallying in Moscow, and not in the Caucasus? I will answer where they live there and rally.

        Yes, everything is simple, the Caucasus is perceived not as Russia, but as a foreign territory and the events taking place there are not particularly interested and cause resonance in Russian society. Volgograd was blown up, the first explosion immediately all the channels, a bunch of discussions are boiling everywhere, but the fact that everyone in the Caucasus for a month they undermine either a policeman, a citizen, or an entrepreneur who refused to pay tribute to terrorists and victims many times more there does not cause much attention and public resonance, so even if they had made a 10 million rally, it would have been no use, but in Mos he would've really covered and have been discussed.
        Well, the version, the fact that many Caucasians have long been residents of Moscow is also a reality, otherwise, following the logic of some, let them not host a rally in Moscow, because 90% are not native inhabitants of Moscow, but visitors))
      3. 120352
        120352 14 January 2014 14: 14
        +1
        The guys are clearly lost. Or stayed up. We should help them return home. Better in unheated stews and under escort. So the impressions of the trip will be brighter. And they will be even brighter because there are no toilets in the heaters. What the hell are they for cows? You can combine travel with healthy fasting. Just prohibit taking any things with you, including eating and drinking. Keplushki, of course, they are not Peregrine Falcons, go slower, but I think that by August everyone will be in place. Just the heat will already be. Although travelers by the time it’s warm that the cold will already be on the drum. As well as attempts to organize rallies and terrorist attacks.
      4. ty60
        ty60 14 January 2014 15: 05
        +2
        Let them rally in the Caucasus.
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 11: 26
      +5
      Quote: klimpopov
      By the way, what did the organizers hope for?

      What will later be dumped from the country and will be given an interview about the bloody regime in Russia.
      Hi Klim
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 14 January 2014 12: 01
        +1
        So I am about the same. Failure is beneficial to them. For MILLION to collect it is more like their show-off. But failure is very beneficial.
    6. Tersky
      Tersky 14 January 2014 11: 39
      +5
      Quote: klimpopov
      By the way, what did the organizers hope for?

      The tolerance and liberalism that the media insistently and daily impose on us. Klim hi!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 14 January 2014 12: 01
        0
        Hello! Yes, even if they arrange a rally for example in Vladikavkaz. Will anyone notice this? Moscow is the capital of our country, that's the whole story ...
  3. RUSS
    RUSS 14 January 2014 10: 47
    +16
    This contingent apparently already wants to announce the political demands, they are starting to openly greyhound.
    1. ty60
      ty60 14 January 2014 15: 07
      0
      This is not the first attempt. The FSB is asleep.
      1. IOwTZ
        IOwTZ 14 January 2014 16: 19
        +1
        Is not a fact. Maybe, on the contrary, we all have a signal, they say, "it's no longer worth the boat, there are a million of us and we are strong"? But there are 120 million of us and, unfortunately, every man for himself.
  4. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 10: 47
    +4
    Well, really what? Refused? What an infringement of democracy ...
  5. calocha
    calocha 14 January 2014 10: 54
    +6
    An explicit order to destabilize the situation. You need to carefully ... look at the "Union of the Faithful", and for all who share their views.
  6. riding
    riding 14 January 2014 10: 58
    +9
    Among the latest news: there was information in the media that a rally of Muslims "against Islamophobia, Caucasophobia and xenophobia" was being prepared in Moscow, in which a million people should take part. The organizer of the action was called the “Russian Congress of the Peoples of the Caucasus” (RKNK). However, already in the early days of 2014. The RKNK has denied any involvement in the rally. Chairman of the Presidency of the RNFC Aliy Totorkulov said: “Recognizing the problems, at the same time, we do not want to act as the“ fifth column ”on the eve of and during the Olympics, helping such actions to forces that want to destabilize the situation in order to further collapse our country. Guided by the principle of “do no harm”, we also appeal to the initiators of the rally with a request to refrain from holding the planned actions. ”
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 14 January 2014 11: 22
      +3
      .. aha, "on the eve and at the time" nizzya, and then, therefore, it is possible to turn into the fifth column?
  7. Ustian
    Ustian 14 January 2014 11: 00
    +5
    The Russian Congress of the Peoples of the Caucasus and the Union of the Faithful from Dagestan are trying to organize the rally.
    If so, let them hold rallies in Dagestan, Chechnya, etc. Also Russian territory!
    1. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 13: 08
      0
      But is it possible to prevent this congress and the Union proactively? Better physically. This is a group of provocateurs, no more.
  8. Alex66
    Alex66 14 January 2014 11: 01
    +8
    Yes, not a rally against Islam and Caucasophobia, it’s just for inciting ethnic and religious hatred. Such a rally will not have another result. That's when his Mahatma Gandhi appears in the Caucasus, but before this event is further than to Beijing.
  9. Mhpv
    Mhpv 14 January 2014 11: 06
    +13
    Stalin would organize a meeting for them, in the taiga with a two-handed saw and his family would send them there, so that the rest would not have such a desire.
    Already this Russian of Georgian origin knew how to keep the Caucasus in check.
  10. rpek32
    rpek32 14 January 2014 11: 07
    +19
    Lord! We connect:

    SIGN A PETITION (by reference) ABOUT RETURN TO THE UK Criminal Code
    121st article punishing for sodomy!

    We ask the President to consider the personal appeal to him by I.I. Ohlobystina! Since we fully agree with the content of this letter and believe that otherwise, our women simply will not have anyone to give birth to! And this is one of the main problems in the country! We ask you to carefully consider this problem and do everything possible to improve the demographic situation in Russia!

    OPEN LETTER OF IVAN IVANOVICH OKHLOBYSTIN TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH PUTIN.

    "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!

    I appeal to you, both as a citizen to a citizen and, as a believer to a believer. I think that my appeal will be supported by tens of millions of Russian citizens.

    Mr. President, I ask you to facilitate the early return to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation of the 121st article, which punishes for "sodomy".

    Unfortunately, the article prohibiting the propaganda of homosexuality is not effective enough, since the presence of officially registered communities of homosexuals in itself is a direct advertisement of homosexuality and contradicts the previously adopted law "on the protection of the feelings of believers," whose feelings are undoubtedly offended by the existence, on legal grounds, in many Russian cities are hotbeds of sodomy.

    There is no way to delay the resolution of this legislative contradiction, otherwise it threatens the inevitable and rather quick acquisition by the sodomites of the status of a "social group", which means - the constitutional opportunity to corrupt the younger generation, because sodomites cannot have their children and this "social group" will be forced to replenish at the expense of our children.

    If this initiative is beyond your competence, I ask you to initiate a nationwide referendum on this issue. I am sure that the results will finally convince you of the need to return the above article.

    Sincerely, Ivan Okhlobystin

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    1. FRITZ LANG
      FRITZ LANG 14 January 2014 12: 45
      +2
      Where to put the signature?
      1. tolan_petrovich
        tolan_petrovich 14 January 2014 14: 48
        +2
        Highlight the bottom and right-click "Open in new tab"!
    2. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 13: 04
      0
      The second part is very impressive!
    3. ty60
      ty60 14 January 2014 15: 13
      +1
      Return to the Criminal Code article. A couple of fagots to plant publicly. The male population to stop plumping and engage in demography.
  11. Manager
    Manager 14 January 2014 11: 09
    +1
    Yes, such meetings every day in Moscow at any station or market ....
    1. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 13: 03
      +2
      But there all problems are easily solved. Five-handed cops - and consensus is ready. Such cops should be together with Muslims on the Novosibirsk islands ...
  12. Altona
    Altona 14 January 2014 11: 10
    +4
    Quote: koni
    Chairman of the Presidency of the RNFC Aliy Totorkulov said: “Recognizing the problems, at the same time, we do not want to act as the“ fifth column ”on the eve of and during the Olympics, helping such actions to forces that want to destabilize the situation in order to further collapse our country.

    ---------------------------
    You need to conduct yourself normally and no rallies will be necessary ...
    1. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 13: 02
      +2
      But Islam is the FIFTH COLUMN and it cannot be another!
  13. Flibustiero
    Flibustiero 14 January 2014 11: 15
    +16
    Good news however! :) Why a millionaire rally? to show off again in the "churkonafst" spirit? or to intimidate someone? Who is Murad Musaev? lawyer? Why is the prosecutor's office "pressing" on him? Bribery and pressure on the jury! It is something! :) If he is a lawyer, then let him prove his case, and not yell that "not guilty"! Did you want to protest against the ban on wearing hijabs and building a mosque !? In Chechnya, Dagestan, even Tatarstan, Bashkiria, basically there are no problems with this and no one is against it. Just let them not go where Muslims do not make up the majority of the population and that's it! problem solved. No "them" begins to burst when they hear that in one school in the Kuban hijab was banned, and what? what's your business? After all, we are not in Saudi Arabia or Qatar :) a secular state! And hijab is an advertisement for Islam! According to the latest "Law on Education", religious agitation within the walls of educational institutions is prohibited! So, dear comrades, either live according to the law of the Russian Federation or "go" to Turkey to live or where else.
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    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 January 2014 12: 28
      -6
      Quote: Flibustiero
      Good news however! :) Why a millionaire rally? to show off again in the "churkonafst" spirit? or to intimidate someone? Who is Murad Musaev? lawyer? Why is the prosecutor's office "pressing" on him? Bribery and pressure on the jury! It is something! :) If he is a lawyer, then let him prove his case, and not yell that "not guilty"! Did you want to protest against the ban on wearing hijabs and building a mosque !? In Chechnya, Dagestan, even Tatarstan, Bashkiria, basically there are no problems with this and no one is against it. Just let them not go where Muslims do not make up the majority of the population and that's it! problem solved. No "them" begins to burst when they hear that in one school in the Kuban hijab was banned, and what? what's your business? After all, we are not in Saudi Arabia or Qatar :) a secular state! And hijab is an advertisement for Islam! According to the latest "Law on Education", religious agitation within the walls of educational institutions is prohibited! So, dear comrades, either live according to the law of the Russian Federation or "go" to Turkey to live or where else.

      Well, according to your logic about secularism, then all of Russia needs to remove the crosses, because they advertise religion in the SOVIET STATE !!! Or you have a versatile logic)))
      1. Flibustiero
        Flibustiero 14 January 2014 13: 04
        0
        Crosses? yes easily! Not in the crosses, but in the head! :)
      2. CHILD
        CHILD 14 January 2014 13: 15
        +3
        who sees the cross? he is on his chest! no need to distort))))) and they are not trying to destabilize the Christian flock ..... they try to impose other people's views and beliefs on us, not us))))) at least some sort of Flibustier there is logic ..... but what is yours? whether we want to or not, they impose tolerance on us ???? with the words that all people are equal and the same))))), and you explain to them about the conscience that it really hurts you)))) will they understand you? ????
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 January 2014 14: 14
          -1
          Quote: KIND
          who sees the cross? he is on his chest! no need to distort))))) and they are not trying to destabilize the Christian flock ..... they try to impose other people's views and beliefs on us, not us))))) at least some sort of Flibustier there is logic ..... but what is yours? whether we want to or not, they impose tolerance on us ???? with the words that all people are equal and the same))))), and you explain to them about the conscience that it really hurts you)))) will they understand you? ????

          And the chest that is hidden in everyone, especially in the female half of the neckline with a cross is very clearly visible, and in guys in short sweaters.
          And where are you trying to impose alien beliefs and beliefs ?? Che I didn’t drive Ahmed running after a Russian girl with a scream, putting on a long skirt is a sin to go to mini or accept Islam. Nobody forcibly imposes anything on anyone and the future forced compulsion to accept Islam is Haram.
          And what does my logic have to do with it? I asked him a question, because it was not entirely clear, he forbids one, and allows the other, he explained his logic and I agree with him.
          What does conscience have to do with it ??
          1. cdboy
            cdboy 14 January 2014 16: 02
            +3
            One thing is not clear why they forgot the old saying: They don’t climb into a strange monastery with their charter. Why then do Muslims come here? Wear anything at home, even if you put a pumpkin on your head. Away, respect the owner. Since all the blessings that are created here are created by his hands. I doubt something that somewhere in Chechnya you can arrange a procession and remain unscathed. What then do you want from us ???
          2. CHILD
            CHILD 14 January 2014 19: 01
            +1
            ... they are in the neckline and in sweaters at home))))))) and you call this, do not impose your views)))))) about the fact that no one is calling anyone, then tell your grandmother .. ..also they urge and teach young people, and when your followers gain critical mass, they immediately forget about tolerance and humanism with cosmopolitanism ..... you are already trying to talk and show us how to live in our home ..... .a conscience has nothing to do with it, it's not for you .....
      3. dengy12
        dengy12 14 January 2014 13: 20
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        Yeraz (3) RU Today, 12:28 ↑ New

        Quote: Flibustiero
        Good news however! :) Why a millionaire rally? to show off again in the "churkonafst" spirit? or to intimidate someone? Who is Murad Musaev? lawyer? Why is the prosecutor's office "pressing" on him? Bribery and pressure on the jury! It is something! :) If he is a lawyer, then let him prove his case, and not yell that "not guilty"! Did you want to protest against the ban on wearing hijabs and building a mosque !? In Chechnya, Dagestan, even Tatarstan, Bashkiria, basically there are no problems with this and no one is against it. Just let them not go where Muslims do not make up the majority of the population and that's it! problem solved. No "them" begins to burst when they hear that in one school in the Kuban hijab was banned, and what? what's your business? After all, we are not in Saudi Arabia or Qatar :) a secular state! And hijab is an advertisement for Islam! According to the latest "Law on Education", religious agitation within the walls of educational institutions is prohibited! So, dear comrades, either live according to the law of the Russian Federation or "go" to Turkey to live or where else.

        Well, according to your logic about secularism, then all of Russia needs to remove the crosses, because they advertise religion in the SOVIET STATE !!! Or you have a versatile logic)))

        Christians do not wear crosses on display not accepted
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 January 2014 14: 17
          0
          Quote: dengy12
          Quote: Yeraz
          Yeraz (3) RU Today, 12:28 ↑ New

          Quote: Flibustiero
          Good news however! :) Why a millionaire rally? to show off again in the "Churkonafst" spirit? or to intimidate someone? Who is Murad Musaev? lawyer? Why is the prosecutor's office "pressing" on him? Bribery and pressure on the jury! It is something! :) If he is a lawyer, then let him prove his case, and not yell that "not guilty"! Did you want to protest against the ban on wearing hijabs and building a mosque !? In Chechnya, Dagestan, even Tatarstan, Bashkiria, basically there are no problems with this and no one is against it. Just let them not go where Muslims do not make up the majority of the population and that's it! problem solved. No "them" begins to burst when they hear that in one school in the Kuban hijab was banned, and what? what's your business? After all, we are not in Saudi Arabia and not in Qatar :) a secular state! And hijab is an advertisement for Islam! According to the latest "Law on Education", religious agitation within the walls of educational institutions is prohibited! So, dear comrades, either live according to the law of the Russian Federation or "go" to Turkey to live or where else.

          Well, according to your logic about secularism, then all of Russia needs to remove the crosses, because they advertise religion in the SOVIET STATE !!! Or you have a versatile logic)))

          Christians do not wear crosses on display not accepted

          may not be Accepted, but in reality everything is different.
          1. Flibustiero
            Flibustiero 14 January 2014 14: 47
            +1
            After the collapse of the USSR (according to polls and research by scientists), many Slavs (more than 40%) living in Russia do not consider themselves to be any religion, as well as among the traditionally "Muslim peoples" Tatars, Bashkirs, etc., the percentage of atheists reaches 10-15%. Muslims consider it a blessing to preach and it is considered that if you "converted" 10 or more people to Islam, then a place in paradise is guaranteed for you. Islam is a more active religion, in Orthodoxy and among Catholics things are different, the only exceptions are Protestants (Jehovah, for example) actively preaching and recruiting "adepts" or whatever :)
            Eraz the logic of a secular state is that you can profess any religion, but it should not violate the right of another person, for example, to rest! In my opinion, in mosques, someone is shouting something there (a prayer in my opinion), someone may not like the ringing of bells, but for example they are not in the same Arab countries, where even the architecture of Orthodox churches is subject to the Muslim canon. Russia is a Western-type state! and therefore it is still worth paying attention to. In one Scandinavian country, it was forbidden to build minarets near the mosque as it is a symbol of the Sharia court, well, they did it right! go to Syria and build there :) although, by the way, Syria until recently was a state for the most part secular if you can defeat the Wahhabis, then this is very good for the east. Still, in the mentality of the northern peoples there is no bright show, if something is done, then it has a purpose and meaning (state propaganda of military service, a positive image of the Russians), for the southerners Chechens, Dagestanis, etc., everything is differently done with bitterness, to show myself "like here I am, what a handsome man, and you are worse than me :)) the will of feelings is female logic!
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 14 January 2014 15: 30
              +1
              Quote: Flibustiero
              After the collapse of the USSR (according to polls and research by scientists), many Slavs (more than 40%) living in Russia do not consider themselves to be any religion, as well as among the traditionally "Muslim peoples" Tatars, Bashkirs, etc., the percentage of atheists reaches 10-15%. Muslims consider it a blessing to preach and it is considered that if you "converted" 10 or more people to Islam, then a place in paradise is guaranteed for you. Islam is a more active religion, in Orthodoxy and among Catholics things are different, the only exceptions are Protestants (Jehovah, for example) actively preaching and recruiting "adepts" or whatever :)
              Eraz the logic of a secular state is that you can profess any religion, but it should not violate the right of another person, for example, to rest! In my opinion, in mosques, someone is shouting something there (a prayer in my opinion), someone may not like the ringing of bells, but for example they are not in the same Arab countries, where even the architecture of Orthodox churches is subject to the Muslim canon. Russia is a Western-type state! and therefore it is still worth paying attention to. In one Scandinavian country, it was forbidden to build minarets near the mosque as it is a symbol of the Sharia court, well, they did it right! go to Syria and build there :) although, by the way, Syria until recently was a state for the most part secular if you can defeat the Wahhabis, then this is very good for the east. Still, in the mentality of the northern peoples there is no bright show, if something is done, then it has a purpose and meaning (state propaganda of military service, a positive image of the Russians), for the southerners Chechens, Dagestanis, etc., everything is differently done with bitterness, to show myself "like here I am, what a handsome man, and you are worse than me :)) the will of feelings is female logic!

              I’m talking about the same thing, maybe someone has a bell of demons, someone calls for prayer among Muslims, I’m for the construction of churches outside the city, let them go pray and celebrate, less traffic jams and less eyes, if you are calloused, of course. But there is other places where it all exists next to each other, in Baku, where a mosque, an Orthodox church and a synagogue do not annoy anyone, there is a different society, in some Saudis it will lead in a rage on the contrary, but in Syria, on the contrary. what state and society.
              But everything is specially done to escalate the situation.
              1. Flibustiero
                Flibustiero 14 January 2014 17: 14
                +7
                Can it still solve this problem in accordance with the characteristics of society? After the mess in Chechnya in 89-94. and two wars no Russian will go to Chechnya, except perhaps in armored vehicles :) At the moment (this is the official data) in Chechnya, about 90-95% of the population are Chechens, even Dagestanis have left. They live quite comfortably there. The city of Grozny was more than half a Russian city, there was even a plan to build a computer plant, but now there is what? Now Chechens live there, they and it is they who won this war, even if they live like this, the question of the harm done to local civilians (Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians, etc.), who in a hurry left their places, is a topic for a separate conversation. Duck, and what have the Caucasians forgotten in Moscow? Do they want to tell everyone that Moscow is also their city? I can't say that Grozny and my city too (although historically, yes, it came from the Groznaya fortress), so why do all kinds of "nationals" go to me in the outback of Russia to establish their rights? It seems to me that the "highlanders" are not such a stupid people, when they need to read the constitution, and when it is necessary to cut out the local "non-Chechen" population of the former Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, one can forget about moral principles and various international conventions on human rights.
                Still, you need to somehow rely on existing experience !!!
      4. does it
        does it 14 January 2014 22: 33
        0
        Quote: Yeraz
        Well, according to your logic about secularism, then all of Russia needs to remove the crosses, because they advertise religion in the SOVIET STATE !!! Or you have a versatile logic)))

        And here are the crosses? I am not against crosses, I am against the introduction of the church in all state institutions, because I think that replacing the astronomy lesson with the PGM is not good, and Muslim emigrants simply consider it the weakness of the country that hosted them, for accepting them !!! I have friends Soviet muslims are decent people, they told me that one mosque is enough for us, Constantinople is an ordinary trading city for Christians (Orthodox), it is sacred, Mecca - except for sand and building there is nothing there, all around there is one sand and mores, but it is considered sacred for Muslims! I CAN’T tolerate religion, but I tolerate it, because “If God did not exist, he would have to be invented” Einstein.
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      1. alone
        alone 14 January 2014 23: 03
        +1
        Quote: 120352
        If children are grooming in hijabs, parents should be punished. You can just shoot or drown. But that there was no Islamic dirt in Russia !!!


        shoot children or drown? Are you out of your mind? What kind of conversations? will you kill children yourself or is balobalism your credo?
      2. urganov
        urganov 15 January 2014 18: 21
        +1
        put you a minus, dear. For the fact that they did not completely carry out a logical chain.
        "... parents need to be punished. You can just shoot or drown them. But so that there is no RELIGIOUS filth in Russia !!!
        In theory, it should sound like that.
        1. does it
          does it 15 January 2014 22: 20
          -1
          Quote: urganov
          But that there was no RELIGIOUS dirt in Russia !!!
          In theory, it should sound like that.

          Here with it! I agree with you !
    4. ty60
      ty60 14 January 2014 15: 22
      0
      Everything is right, it’s only more convenient for them in our universal mess. And we have also reformed the Ministry of Internal Affairs — there really aren’t enough people in the PPS-communications men and business executives put them on patrols. But now they’ve arrived at the cabinet rooms. A proper order should be brought in, LEGALITY comes first! He who received a bribe from the hands of a native from the Caucasus should receive the maximum! Without any leniency.
  14. Altona
    Altona 14 January 2014 11: 15
    +2
    Quote: mhpv
    Stalin would have organized a meeting for them, in the taiga with a two-handed saw and his family would send them there

    -----------------------------------
    Not in the taiga ... In northern Kazakhstan, it is much more interesting there ...
    1. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 12: 57
      +4
      Nefig taiga harass! There is also firewood there. And it is necessary that without firewood. So that the torment was short-lived. Let yourself deepen the forwarder of the Glavsevmorput. Manually. Without shovels. Meters up to 100 in depth will be fine. And what’s convenient, no burials!
  15. Mairos
    Mairos 14 January 2014 11: 15
    +2
    Are they ... a beep? After the attacks SUCH a meeting wanted to hold? Not allowed and done right.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 14 January 2014 11: 45
      +2
      A rally can also be held in Makhachkala with the dance-lezginka, invite journalists and tell them what’s what. And with this, serve the center to Moscow !!!! There were demonstrators x .... s
      1. 120352
        120352 14 January 2014 12: 49
        +3
        And it’s better to spend it in Grozny. There we have tamed Kadyrov, used to kill people from 16 years old.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 January 2014 12: 31
      -5
      Quote: Mairos
      Are they ... a beep? After the attacks SUCH a meeting wanted to hold? Not allowed and done right.

      Russian terrorist attacks, Caucasians with it. I can imagine what would happen if the terrorist attack were non-Russian surnames ....
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 14 January 2014 12: 47
        +4
        Yeraz, firstly, there was one Russian there, of those who were at the station. But you will not deny that 99,9% of the Wahhabi underground are Caucasians and Muslims (even if this Wahhabi was Russian by nationality). Secondly, the rally was intended both against Caucasophobia and against Islamophobia. Because they, the organizers, and the BIP! It is simply impossible to find a more unsuccessful time. Thirdly, at a similar, in meaning, rally in Makhachkala, one of the initiators of his Moscow analogue carried such nonsense about the exclusivity of the Caucasians, I apologize for the generalization that such a theoretical probability cannot be allowed in Moscow. Let me remind you that it was stated that only Caucasians could save people from a burning trolley bus (this is the case with a team of athletes from Dagestan). He generally hystered over black.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 January 2014 14: 29
          -1
          Quote: Mairos
          Yeraz, firstly, there was one Russian there, of those who were at the station. But you will not deny that 99,9% of the Wahhabi underground are Caucasians and Muslims (even if this Wahhabi was Russian by nationality). Secondly, the rally was intended both against Caucasophobia and against Islamophobia. Because they, the organizers, and the BIP! It is simply impossible to find a more unsuccessful time. Thirdly, at a similar, in meaning, rally in Makhachkala, one of the initiators of his Moscow analogue carried such nonsense about the exclusivity of the Caucasians, I apologize for the generalization that such a theoretical probability cannot be allowed in Moscow. Let me remind you that it was stated that only Caucasians could save people from a burning trolley bus (this is the case with a team of athletes from Dagestan). He generally hystered over black.

          And in the previous bomb manufacturer and suicide bomber was Russian.
          So what does Wahhabism in general have to do with it, we are considering specific terrorist attacks, and there are Russians, because I can also say we know the main part of Wahhabis are Arabs.
          So the conversation about the rally was before the attack.
          So, at the Manezh, the Russians didn’t talk about flowers either, it turns out that one can not be the other?
          Regarding the statements, what is the Authority for what ??? If it starts during the rally even a hint of incitement, they twisted and drove it, because Omono knows how.
          And so it turns out that one citizen of the capital can go out and express his claims with it, scoring everything restrained with fascism for restraint, but not the other. With your own hands you create a situation for citizens of the first and second grade and the situation is aggravated, especially by provocateurs, on both sides.
          Relatives of those who died in the terrorist attacks in the Caucasus, whose sons and husbands were shot or blown up, turn on the telly, and then down with the Caucasians and all nonsense. They are pleased to see that when they are blown up with minimal reaction, and when the Russians have nothing to do with it, in the same way, they, along with everyone, are to blame.
          Create a dumb situation when you set up victims of terrorists against yourself.
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 14 January 2014 15: 09
            +4
            “Under whose direction did he make the bomb?”
            - Who made him a Wahhabite (teach "correct" Islam)? Russians?
            - We are talking about Wahhabism in Russia, and not in the world. In ANY region of Russia, Wahhabis are 99,9% not Russian, but those who were a traditional Muslim and, most often, children from the Caucasus.
            - Russian marches in the form in which they pass are completely unnecessary and the number of participants is very small 20-30 thousand per country. Here I basically agree with you.
            - Yes, in the Caucasus, a lot of people suffered from terrorist attacks, but if Wahhabism has taken root there (and in the Caucasian diasporas throughout Russia), then there are a lot of people who are either Wahhabis either helping them or sympathizing with them. If I am mistaken, I will be glad for your refutation of this statement.

            - About Manezhka. There was not a Russian march, but a spontaneous rebellion against the traditional police coverage of criminals from the North Caucasus. Such cases have happened many times - a Russian Caucasian is cut, he is imprisoned. A Caucasian man cuts a Russian - intimidation of witnesses and relatives begins, bribery of snoopers, etc. Yes, the Russians behave this way too, when it is Russian bandits who cover theirs. And the "Caucasus", sorry, covers all its nat. sign. The "Caucasus" (relatives, their own people in the security forces, bought "Russian" officials) often behave exactly like Russian bandits. Therefore, often not deservedly, by the inertia of thinking, ordinary people generally treat Caucasians as bandits.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 14 January 2014 15: 55
              +1
              Marious

              Look, you can also say which of the Muslims of the North Caucasus did Wahhabism, because they were also led to this.
              Why did I find followers there, but everything is just in the region, which is in a war, unemployment and with a Muslim with a low religious education (thanks to the advice) it was easier to infiltrate. The Russians also introduced, just because there was also a lot of religious education, but just religiosity, western the model gained more popularity (in its worst form)
              Wahhabism is not in fashion there and the majority does not support it, it came about with collapse, but what can ordinary people do? Religious figures were quietly shot, they got to Tatarstan, they have money, they send it to their educational institutions, they provide it and they perfectly zombie . They calmly take tribute from businessmen who disagree and shoot, but the government is asleep.
              Over the past 10 years, this infection has already penetrated into Azerbaijan, and all because the Russian authorities can not do anything in the north, of course the volumes are many times less, but the fact that this phenomenon already exists is a signal.
              And the exact same scheme, help the poor, training, powerful ideological treatment, that is, where they take power, they take the initiative. And I will tell you from my own experience that the Wahhabis verbators are really very educated and wonderful people and only if you don’t have any initial religious or other rods to succumb very, very easy.
              So shit always stinks more. 9 out of 10 can do a good thing, and the tenth is so nonsense that .....
              It’s just that there is a dysfunctional situation in the country, when a Caucasian killed a Russian, then it’s his fault, Caucasian for Russians and vice versa for Caucasians, no one is interested in the roots of the conflict.
              Recently, a Russian man came into the store to buy groceries, I don’t want to buy anything at all, I got a Russian saleswoman, I say a man leave this place and in return hear if a Chechen would leave for his homeland (probably because of the redness of his beard and lack of a mustache I accepted), I grab him and surprisingly, the saleswoman rushed to me saying that please, he lives next to this naval officer once every two months this happens to him, please go away. If I had him there tomorrow, it would have been written that a daring savage from the south had beaten the Navy OFFICER and no one would understand that he was in a lulu and behaved inappropriately Finding it. That's scary.
              1. Mairos
                Mairos 14 January 2014 16: 22
                +2
                "It's just that there is a dibious situation in the country, when a Caucasian killed a Russian, it is immediately to blame, a Caucasian for Russians and vice versa for Caucasians, no one is interested in the roots of the conflict." - Yes, there is such a problem. Russians, too, now began to look stupidly at the nationality of the participant, and not at the facts. I already wrote that there is a "Caucasus" of the Russian worldview - now it is divided into friends and foes according to nationality and religion. Have learned .. ((

                You write correctly about Wahhabis - a common misfortune for everyone.
                About your conflict in the store .. uff. What can I say, drinking is a disaster. You, I hope, got stuck in the case, and a drunk could inadequately react, most likely. An unfortunate case. And here's a question for you .. if I would, well, for example, in a shop in Makhachkala I would get into a showdown between, well, let Lezgin and a woman Lezgin? I think that it would have been possible for me to leave without a proposal just to fly in the forehead, and from the woman, I am afraid there would be no support.
                such are the features of interethnic relations. ((((It’s a pity that such.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 15 January 2014 01: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Mairos
                  I hope you’ve gotten involved in the case,

                  in the case, in appearance and not to say that he was drunk, but coming up and the smell and the pupils said otherwise))
                  Quote: Mairos
                  if I, well, for example, in a shop in Makhachkala, would I get into a showdown between, well, let Lezgin and a woman Lezgin? I think that it would have been possible for me to leave without a proposal just to fly in the forehead, and from the woman, I am afraid there would be no support.
                  such are the features of interethnic relations. ((((

                  I can’t answer for the Makhachkala Lezghins, but I can answer for the Azerbaijanis, in particular the Lezghin Azerbaijanis. Firstly, if in any store a drunk man would pester all the men of the store in a different form to a woman and would quickly pull him out of the street (by typing or throwing it’s also more likely to fill the street) And if you were in a Russian store and pulled out such a person, the result will be one or you will be dragged along with it, and if you are alone then a woman will thank you for your behavior and will give you products for free from the store. Since there were such thoughts that a woman, on the contrary, will not support you, most likely it is connected with the sterotype you were talking about. And it is getting worse every day. I seem to have said that I barely persuaded my childhood friend in St. Petersburg to invite him to the wedding, which was held in Peter, you see, he was afraid that being among the Caucasians was fraught with the safety of his life and he was very shocked and amazed after the attitude that he had been given to him by strangers.
                  1. Mairos
                    Mairos 15 January 2014 11: 05
                    0
                    Come on ..)) You yourself wrote that he was "on business, in appearance and not to say that he was drunk." So I would think that a man is not talking to a woman like that and would get into the showdown. If I were from the Dagestani peoples, maybe they would have reckoned with me, and so ... there would have been a fight, and all those present would have beaten me, since I am a "stranger". I've seen enough in life is not this clear division into "friends" and "aliens" that Caucasians, that Asians. Your peoples even strive to share within themselves, clans, teips, etc. And with others ...
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 17 January 2014 01: 07
                      0
                      Quote: Mairos
                      You yourself wrote that he was "on business, in appearance, and not to say that he was drunk."

                      BUT the behavior was indecent and the result was alcohol, which I understood when I approached.
                      Quote: Mairos
                      there would have been a fight, and all those present would have beaten me, since I am a "stranger".

                      Again, I don’t understand what, for the wrong behavior of a man in Baku, I didn’t beat you or condemn you. I can’t say anything about the Dagestan peoples in their society, I didn’t go out and hang out and communication with individuals does not give me a reason to argue for them, but I was in Baku and I know that there a woman would simply click and everything from the street and from the nearest shops would immediately put people down.
                      Quote: Mairos
                      I've seen enough in life is not this clear division into "friends" and "aliens" that Caucasians, that Asians.

                      This is more characteristic of the Chechens. Here they are in the majority, irrespective of whether your fellow countryman is wrong to harness themselves, but the other people of the Caucasus are the least, Azerbaijanis are all the more so.
    3. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 12: 54
      +2
      Here, in the sense of terrorist attacks, a good thought. It is necessary to organize this meeting where there are no people and something needs to be destroyed, for example, an old factory. And bring everyone who wants to rally there and who want to explode beautifully. Here they are and amuse each other. They have such a national tradition. And art, as you know, belongs to the people!
  16. erased
    erased 14 January 2014 11: 19
    +3
    Just a little more, just a little more. Either immediately after, or already during the Olympics, it will blaze in several regions at once. And then it will spread to Moskvabad. And instead of "peaceful" processions and demonstrations, almost military operations will begin. Financial support from abroad + internal monetary reserves + thousands of militants here + bribed policemen and bureaucrats + cowardice of the authorities ... And we will see what in the end. It won't be long.
    If the problem is not solved, she will solve everything herself someday. This "someday" also came ...
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 14 January 2014 11: 28
      +2
      "-" .. The fact that there is a problem is a fact, but what is about to start is nonsense. The "bribed police" will start to wet them indiscriminately, as soon as they rock the boat a little more seriously. They will simply be destroyed, and rather quickly, although blood will be shed - God forbid. If they do this, then Islam will discredit itself in Russia for a short time.
      1. 120352
        120352 14 January 2014 12: 47
        -2
        But Islam does not need to be discredited! Satanic teaching. It must be prohibited, and the adherents destroyed!
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        2. Mairos
          Mairos 14 January 2014 17: 57
          +2
          Digital, if inadequate - keep quiet better. fool
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        4. smersh70
          smersh70 14 January 2014 23: 06
          +2
          Quote: 120352
          It must be prohibited, and the adherents destroyed!


          comrade .. and these.. Th then do with them ......
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 15 January 2014 09: 29
            0
            Well, "digital" is generally inadequate. And these, well, u.r.o.d. they, like those that swinging a knife or an injury in the metro, made passengers shout "Caucasus is power", as well as those that are mocked in the army on a national basis. Just stupid de.bi.ly. The Ministry of Internal Affairs must deal with such.
    2. Manager
      Manager 14 January 2014 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: erased
      A little more, a little more. Either immediately after, or already during the Olympics, it will blaze in several regions at once.


      Crush in the bud. In power are people who, for their power and money, will not spare anyone. We have a police state. We have a sea of ​​military units. Our people are already on the brink with axes on the Caucasians to go. So there will be nothing, for they all understand. It’s one thing to yapping, doing another thing. And they’ll get things done. They will crush and smear so that they will be remembered for centuries.
      1. ty60
        ty60 14 January 2014 15: 33
        0
        I’m going to buy packs of ten rounds. I haven’t taken them off the register yet, they’ll suddenly call for force majeure.
    3. matross
      matross 14 January 2014 11: 34
      0
      Quote: erased
      bribed policemen

      In interethnic conflicts there will be none! The police, no matter who says it, is part of the people.
  17. Bekas
    Bekas 14 January 2014 11: 29
    +7
    Until the "gentlemen visitors" learn to live according to Russian laws and simply observe the rules of conduct in public places and places of recreation for citizens, there will be various kinds of "phobias".
    Yes, and even in the army, do not try to jump off public works, forcing other soldiers to do them for themselves.
    1. ty60
      ty60 14 January 2014 15: 48
      0
      Actually, there shouldn’t be any business in the current army. Only military training. However, the Russian army survived in the most difficult conditions, thanks to its unpretentiousness and ability to feed, wash, and wash itself. Which of the current recruits can do without a washing machine? Or cook something other than scrambled eggs or fried potatoes? Dumplings from the store are not discussed. And this is an important side in SURVIVAL. Very often young guys are simply not capable of this. It is also NECESSARY to learn. At least contractors.
  18. Bezarius
    Bezarius 14 January 2014 11: 34
    +4
    Also in the plans of the activists was to express dissatisfaction with the ban on wearing hijabs in Russian schools and opposing the construction of mosques in cities.

    Pfff, they are generally insolent. I do not like the suitcase-> station -> * stan, and there let them swing their rights.
  19. Jedi
    Jedi 14 January 2014 11: 35
    +7
    come in large numbers and still want some rallies. it is necessary to allow the rally, and then everyone who came to drive on a large barge and take to some islet of land of Franz Joseph and leave them there for permanent residence.
    1. Lk17619
      Lk17619 14 January 2014 13: 08
      0
      And the barge will definitely fit into the Moscow river ?? Their tamo is promised to be a mullen.
  20. Andrey44
    Andrey44 14 January 2014 11: 37
    +5
    If the rally is allowed, someone will probably provoke a massacre. Then there will be bitterness on all sides with a continuation throughout Russia (God forbid). We do not need this either before or after the Olympics. It is necessary for certain circles to destabilize the situation in the country.
    Question: where will they get a million people? What whole villages will come to Moscow? In fact, there are not so many of them. And if citizens of the near abroad are attracted, then here I am for the toughest crackdown by riot police and not only, because it is a direct interference in our internal affairs. And stop making excuses - no one will appreciate it. Our situation is not such as to be shy and tolerant.
    Kazan
    PS Something I did not hear that the Muslim Tatars were eager to rally.
    1. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 12: 41
      +7
      I have many Tatars friends. So, they refer to the concept of "Russian spirit" also to themselves. And, therefore, our Tatars, Russians!
      As for the riot police training, it is better to hold this rally somewhere in the field. Say, in Kulikovo, on the river Nepryadva. We have both skills and historical memory ...
      And the inspirers of this provocation should be immediately isolated from society somewhere on the plowing of the tundra (manually, without tools, but with strict production standards) and the deepening of river beds, such as the Yenisei, Ob, Lena, Kolyma in their northern part. So the benefits of Islam will appear.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 January 2014 12: 41
      +2
      Quote: Andrey44
      If the rally is allowed, someone will probably provoke a massacre. Then there will be bitterness on all sides with a continuation throughout Russia (God forbid). We do not need this either before or after the Olympics. It is necessary for certain circles to destabilize the situation in the country.
      Question: where will they get a million people? What whole villages will come to Moscow? In fact, there are not so many of them. And if citizens of the near abroad are attracted, then here I am for the toughest crackdown by riot police and not only, because it is a direct interference in our internal affairs. And stop making excuses - no one will appreciate it. Our situation is not such as to be shy and tolerant.
      Kazan
      PS Something I did not hear that the Muslim Tatars were eager to rally.

      Well, only Chechens, together with Dagestanis, 6 million for sure, plus the other peoples of the Caucasus, plus Russian Muslims and what you did not hear about the Tatars is not your awareness, among the organizers are the Tatar organization Azatlyk and they were also going to participate, and other Muslims with PASSPARTS of the Russian Federation and there are only a million such Azerbaijanis, plus the rest with the same number of SA.
      Right now, I think this is a pointless rally in my opinion, because in Russia one part of the population steadily hates the other and as soon as the Soviet Union is weak, everything will quickly crumble. And since the time, most of the Tatars have been able to set up against themselves and a couple of other nations.

      Sorry for the mistakes in the comments, this is all the tablet, when there are a lot of comments on the branch, it starts to eat letters and signs and at its own discretion move and replace them))
    3. rolik
      rolik 14 January 2014 13: 29
      0
      Quote: Andrey44
      . It is necessary for certain circles to destabilize the situation in the country.

      In any case, the issue with immigrants from the Caucasus must be addressed. Because he will remind himself of himself, before the Olympics, after, in a year, in two, but he will remind. And you probably know that the disease is easier to prevent than to treat later, especially by surgical intervention.
      Otherwise, we get the same pile of problems that in France, Germany, England, only on a much larger scale.
  21. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 14 January 2014 11: 39
    +2
    The Moscow mayor’s office does not agree on a rally at Manezhnaya Square against Islamophobia and Caucasophobia, in which the participation of a million people was announced.

    But in vain. To collect more bearded activists more crowded, to block them and arrange the Tien an arena with running the t-90. I think after this delicate procedure, many unsolvable issues would be resolved on the same day for several decades to come.
    1. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 12: 36
      -1
      The idea is correct, but how much dirt there will be from the suppressed and the stench ... Or maybe then with a flamethrower, burn everything out, clean it? In general, at the entrance to Russia it is necessary to hang a sign: "Muslims are not allowed to enter. Departure is not guaranteed."
  22. RUSS
    RUSS 14 January 2014 11: 41
    +7
    By the way, regarding the construction of new mosques in Moscow, Sobyanin answered briefly that there will be no construction of new mosques in Moscow, because there are enough Muslims for MOSCOW Museums, so he made it clear that migrants can and do need to HOME.
    1. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 12: 31
      +4
      Their prayers in Moscow and St. Petersburg are provocative demonstrations and no more! On their holiday (Kurva Ram, it seems) in the mosques of the same Kazan there are no people at all! I saw it myself.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 January 2014 13: 56
        -3
        Quote: 120352
        Their prayers in Moscow and St. Petersburg are provocative demonstrations and no more! On their holiday (Kurva Ram, it seems) in the mosques of the same Kazan there are no people at all! I saw it myself.

        Well, I think you are lying here, it can’t be at all, maybe not enough. But do not give other Muslims as an example here, half of Tatarstan are Russians, and the Tatars themselves are people who have undergone total Russification, but with that national vochanalia, which is gaining momentum and they gradually their faith will also be remembered.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 January 2014 14: 42
      -1
      Quote: RUSS
      By the way, regarding the construction of new mosques in Moscow, Sobyanin answered briefly that there will be no construction of new mosques in Moscow, because there are enough Muslims for MOSCOW Museums, so he made it clear that migrants can and do need to HOME.

      They are not enough this time.
      And secondly, then one should not be surprised at the number of radical Muslims and Russians who want to undermine themselves, the Sobyan will not open, others will open in apartments, in other closed places, with incomprehensible ideologists and an incomprehensible ideology, when it was possible for everyone to know a mosque, with a trusted follower of the traditional for Russia Islam by the Imam. And so, when you don’t want to educate and control, it is with pleasure that you rebuff others.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 14 January 2014 15: 00
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: RUSS
        By the way, regarding the construction of new mosques in Moscow, Sobyanin answered briefly that there will be no construction of new mosques in Moscow, because there are enough Muslims for MOSCOW Museums, so he made it clear that migrants can and do need to HOME.

        They are not enough this time.
        And secondly, then one should not be surprised at the number of radical Muslims and Russians who want to undermine themselves, the Sobyan will not open, others will open in apartments, in other closed places, with incomprehensible ideologists and an incomprehensible ideology, when it was possible for everyone to know a mosque, with a trusted follower of the traditional for Russia Islam by the Imam. And so, when you don’t want to educate and control, it is with pleasure that you rebuff others.


        Do not take it as an insult just a Russian proverb - "a pig will find dirt everywhere", I mean that from the number of mosques in Moscow, there will be no fewer Wahhabis with their safe houses-prayer houses. These devils will "process" the youth outside the mosque where a normal orthodox imam of traditional Islam serves.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 January 2014 16: 04
          -3
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Yeraz
          Quote: RUSS
          By the way, regarding the construction of new mosques in Moscow, Sobyanin answered briefly that there will be no construction of new mosques in Moscow, because there are enough Muslims for MOSCOW Museums, so he made it clear that migrants can and do need to HOME.

          They are not enough this time.
          And secondly, then one should not be surprised at the number of radical Muslims and Russians who want to undermine themselves, the Sobyan will not open, others will open in apartments, in other closed places, with incomprehensible ideologists and an incomprehensible ideology, when it was possible for everyone to know a mosque, with a trusted follower of the traditional for Russia Islam by the Imam. And so, when you don’t want to educate and control, it is with pleasure that you rebuff others.


          Do not take it as an insult just a Russian proverb - "a pig will find dirt everywhere", I mean that from the number of mosques in Moscow, there will be no fewer Wahhabis with their safe houses-prayer houses. These devils will "process" the youth outside the mosque where a normal orthodox imam of traditional Islam serves.

          firstly, mosques should not be built in Moscow, but outside or on the outskirts, you don’t need to annoy people praying on the asphalt, but it won’t work differently, there is too little space for huge mosques to be built.
          Yes, he will find, but it’s one thing to do nothing and he’s all, and do another thing, at least something to reduce much.
          After all, the same refusal of permission to build mosques is a trump card in their hands they say you look at kafirgovorchts you are citizens of one country, but in practice? They opened the largest Armenian church abroad in Moscow and I know quite a few people who appeal to this, they say the indigenous people Russia cannot build a mosque for itself, and some Armenians who bought a passport are quietly erecting.
          Prevention has never been harmful, but its complete absence is yes.
    3. ty60
      ty60 14 January 2014 15: 57
      0
      There is a second side to the issue. The construction of parking lots at mosques. And here Sobyanin plow and plow.
  23. Clegg
    Clegg 14 January 2014 11: 44
    -12%
    Again infringement of the rights of Muslims
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 12: 01
      +7
      No problem. Let them put as many mosques as necessary. But. Exactly the same number of Orthodox churches should be built in Mecca. Would they agree?
      And do not say that Mecca is all for Muslims. Moscow is also Everything for the Orthodox.
      1. 120352
        120352 14 January 2014 12: 27
        0
        Just let them build Christian churches in Mecca! They’ll definitely kill ours. Yes, and them too.
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 14 January 2014 12: 43
        -6
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        Orthodox churches should be built in Mecca. Would they agree?

        And where is Mecca?
        We are talking about Russian Muslims. Build temples in the Russian cities of Grozny, Derbent, Makhachkala, etc.
        Who is against?

        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        And do not say that Mecca is all for Muslims. Moscow is also Everything for the Orthodox.

        fool
        Do not compare holy cities like Mecca and Medina with the administrative center of Russia
        1. Mairos
          Mairos 14 January 2014 12: 51
          +5
          Moscow for Orthodoxy is also one of the sacred cities like Kiev, Novgorod.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 14 January 2014 13: 18
          +4
          Moscow is the Third Rome, and there will never be a fourth!
          Moscow is a sacred proud hero!
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 14 January 2014 13: 23
            -5
            Quote: RUSS
            Moscow is the Third Rome, and there will never be a fourth!

            Do not forget from whose hands the two previous ones fell)
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 14 January 2014 14: 00
              +2
              Quote: Clegg
              Quote: RUSS
              Moscow is the Third Rome, and there will never be a fourth!

              Do not forget from whose hands the two previous ones fell)


              I told you-Fourth never happen. If the Third Rome is destroyed then everything, the end of the film, and for all.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 14 January 2014 14: 16
                -2
                Quote: RUSS
                If the Third Rome is destroyed then everything, the end of the film, and for all.

                the ussr fell, still alive

                but we are moving away from the topic
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 14: 06
              +4
              Quote: Clegg
              Do not forget from whose hands the two previous ones fell)

              Do not forget from whom those who destroyed the two previous ones were gathered.
            3. rolik
              rolik 14 January 2014 14: 18
              +1
              Quote: Clegg
              Do not forget from whose hands the two previous ones fell)

              Not from Muslims))))
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 14 January 2014 14: 20
                +1
                Quote: rolik
                Not from Muslims)

                Well, tell me from whom?
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 14 January 2014 14: 34
                0
                The second Rome, Constantinople (Constantinople) fell under the onslaught of the Muslim Turks.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 14: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: RUSS
                  The second Rome, Constantinople (Constantinople) fell under the onslaught of the Muslim Turks.

                  Which in turn was piled on by Russian soldiers.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 14 January 2014 15: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: RUSS
                    The second Rome, Constantinople (Constantinople) fell under the onslaught of the Muslim Turks.

                    Which in turn was piled on by Russian soldiers.

                    Alexander is true, but unfortunately with historical memory, they do not want to put it mildly, they do not want to learn from their mistakes!
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 14 January 2014 15: 20
                      -2
                      Quote: RUSS
                      True Alexander, but unfortunately with historical memory they have to put it mildly not very

                      History did not stop; winners write it.
                      Still ahead!
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 14 January 2014 16: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: Clegg
                        Quote: RUSS
                        True Alexander, but unfortunately with historical memory they have to put it mildly not very

                        History did not stop; winners write it.
                        Still ahead!


                        Everything is ahead! Oh well.
                        Read the story of your beloved Turkey, especially the section of the Russo-Turkish Wars. Or the history of your native Kazakhstan, a country that has always been an integral part of foreign countries. History moves in a spiral .....
                      2. Clegg
                        Clegg 14 January 2014 17: 27
                        -3
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Or the history of native Kazakhstan, a country that has always been an integral part of foreign countries.

                        is the list possible? I only remember the two centuries of occupation on your part
                        Glory to Allah was restored and Mashallah is strengthened every day)
                      3. RUSS
                        RUSS 14 January 2014 18: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Clegg
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Or the history of native Kazakhstan, a country that has always been an integral part of foreign countries.

                        is the list possible? I only remember the two centuries of occupation on your part
                        Glory to Allah was restored and Mashallah is strengthened every day)


                        If you remember only the last 200 years, well then you need to start studying the history of your homeland, and I will not bother too much about the list, I will just outline some points, for example, the conquest of the Mongols, Tamerlane, Kalmyks, etc., and spend the rest of the "ligbez" yourself.
                      4. Clegg
                        Clegg 14 January 2014 19: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: RUSS
                        If you remember only the last 200 years, well then you need to start studying the history of your homeland, and I will not bother too much about the list, I will just outline some points, for example, the conquest of the Mongols, Tamerlane, Kalmyks, etc., and spend the rest of the "ligbez" yourself.

                        As the winners wrote the story above, you defeated us and wrote our story beneficial to you. And, still you think that your view (meaning not your personal, but the Kremlin's) is the ultimate truth.

                        But your victory is leveled, now we are relatively free,
                        so you need to take off your pink glasses and look at things soberly ...

                        Now I want to apologize for not restraint, I went too far.
                      5. Cynic
                        Cynic 14 January 2014 21: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Clegg
                        we are relatively free

                        In other words and speaking in your language _ Changed one yoke to another .
                      6. RUSS
                        RUSS 14 January 2014 21: 48
                        +1
                        Now I want to apologize for not restraint, I went too far.


                        Mutually.
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 15 January 2014 07: 15
                      +2
                      Quote: RUSS

                      If you only remember the last 200 years

                      I remember the word that we need to put in quotation marks, we occupied them, we set up factories and schools and hospitals. I would have occupied so damn it. He sits here dreaming about empires. Yes, we piled on them and still pile on. How is it different from the Pole who dreams of revenge? , but nothing. The same trepach Natsik, only lives in Kazakhstan
                  2. urganov
                    urganov 15 January 2014 18: 52
                    +1
                    Well, to be honest, the glory is not to Allah, but to the amazing performance and national-religious tolerance of the Kazakhstanis (or rather, the residents of Kazakhstan), I would even say little about the religion of specialists who work in the country. I say this firsthand.
      3. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 January 2014 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: rolik
        Quote: Clegg
        Do not forget from whose hands the two previous ones fell)

        Not from Muslims))))

        Quote: rolik
        Quote: Clegg
        Do not forget from whose hands the two previous ones fell)

        Not from Muslims))))

        You can only sympathize with your deep knowledge in the field of history ...
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 13: 28
    +7
    Quote: Clegg
    Do not compare holy cities like Mecca and Medina with the administrative center of Russia


    Goofy. Here you are. So do not touch our shrine, but we with your shrine, what do we want and do?

    Do not compare your Mecca with our Shrine.
    Build your mosques in your homeland.
  • onegin61
    onegin61 14 January 2014 12: 03
    +3
    Let the rights swing at home.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 14 January 2014 12: 44
      -9
      Quote: Onegin61
      Let the rights swing at home.

      You give independence to the Caucasian and Turkic peoples, then they will not pump the law.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 14 January 2014 12: 54
        +6
        And you ask the Caucasian peoples? You’ll separate them from Russia - they don’t want a second Syria or Chechnya from the late 90’s. A black hole ruled by warlords and drug dealers.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 14 January 2014 13: 08
          -1
          Quote: Mairos
          And you ask the Caucasian peoples?

          Give a referendum, or are you worse than the British? Which gave the right to self-determination to the Scots.
          1. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 13: 33
            +4
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Mairos
            And you ask the Caucasian peoples?

            Give a referendum, or are you worse than the British? Which gave the right to self-determination to the Scots.


            USU. And now, Cameron asks Putin to help solve the problem of wanting to secede from Scotland. laughing
            So it turns out we are better than the British .... sorry to upset you laughing
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          2. alicante11
            alicante11 14 January 2014 16: 17
            +2
            We are better. Therefore, we will not give. Once already "gave". Zadolbalis ransom the kidnapped.
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 14 January 2014 18: 50
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Mairos
            And you ask the Caucasian peoples?

            Give a referendum, or are you worse than the British? Which gave the right to self-determination to the Scots.


            Are you asking for the independence of the Turkic peoples in Russia? Do these peoples need independence from Russia? Perhaps a bunch of Tatar and Bashkir rabid nationalists, yes. But what about the Chuvashes or Tuvans for the Turks? That they sleep and see the independent Great Chuvashia or Tuva? Is there separatism in Altai too? Or do the Nogays want the Nogai Horde again, the Kumyks in Dagestan "are striving for freedom"? Do Yakuts and Dolgans dream of their own independent country?
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 14 January 2014 19: 53
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              Do you ask for the independence of the Turkic peoples in Russia?

              I do not ask for their independence, who am I to do this?

              Give them the right to self-determination, let them decide through a referendum. 5 years to discuss the issue, let the experts there determine all the pros and cons and then the people decide for themselves. Transparent elections without a Churov team.

              The right to self-determination does not immediately mean independence; in Quebec, the federalists won twice and this question is driven into a long box.

              Quote: RUSS
              And do these peoples need independence from Russia? Perhaps a handful of Tatar and Bashkir frenzied nationalists, yes.

              You see how you reason, brand and label. Are they not part of the people? Their opinion can be neglected in your opinion?
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 January 2014 15: 08
          0
          Quote: Mairos
          And you ask the Caucasian peoples? You’ll separate them from Russia - they don’t want a second Syria or Chechnya from the late 90’s. A black hole ruled by warlords and drug dealers.

          Haha Haha dear, but I did not expect this from you. And right now there, minus Ingushetia, who rules ??? Ramzan is a former militant, and the rest are also not far gone from the drug dealers and all unclean people. Rogue thinkers about their pocket.
          And by the way, Ingushetia and Chechnya would definitely be separated, as if I were from the Caucasian environment, I know the mindset. Dagestan is in doubt, the Kumyks there are a lot of dissatisfaction, and the rest are very small, both in terms of quantity and influence, in order to consider their opinion.
          Yes, Ossetians will have their teeth for Russia, because they, like the Armenians without a Russian soldier, face total destruction.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 14 January 2014 15: 33
            +1
            Yeraz, why does Chechnya need independence? What is wrong and what is missing? Large cash flows are being poured into Chechnya, cities are being rebuilt, mega-mosques and skyscrapers will be built, new jobs are being created, Islam is a state religion at the republican level. Women and girls in obligatory shawls in state institutions, girls in school, too, those who say that it is forbidden in Russia to cover their heads in schools, even if not a hijab, but there is no official polygamy and other customs, I’m silent about weapons, I have been silent no one is hiding in the garden. Caucasians have well-developed business in Moscow and throughout Russia in general, etc. Why independence? They are almost like the Confederates.
          2. Mairos
            Mairos 15 January 2014 10: 59
            0
            Yes, hell will come there - the clans will begin to cut each other, figuring out who is more faithful.
            And then, after the secession, everything would again "make money" in Russia? Nah-nah .. It is necessary either to develop mutually acceptable relations or to minimize them by law within the country or, if they themselves want to secede, then visas, the border and nafig.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 14 January 2014 13: 19
        +1
        Quote: Clegg
        Quote: Onegin61
        Let the rights swing at home.

        You give independence to the Caucasian and Turkic peoples, then they will not pump the law.

        And what else ????
      3. bomg.77
        bomg.77 14 January 2014 14: 48
        +1
        Quote: Clegg
        You give independence to the Caucasian and Turkic peoples, then they will not pump rights
        And no one holds them and they are completely independent, the borders are open, let them go wherever they want! But if you are talking about the separation of the Caucasus, then this will not happen. This is our land, we conquered it, and the Caucasian peoples live there by the grace of the Russian people, as if it did not sound incorrect, but it is true !.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 14 January 2014 14: 53
          +1
          Quote: bomg.77
          but if you are talking about the separation of the Caucasus, then this will not happen. This is our land, we conquered it, and the Caucasian peoples live there by the grace of the Russian people, no matter how it sounds, it’s incorrect, but it’s true !.

          This is how one must honestly write, and it doesn’t fade, like we are the fairest and most honest and won’t win anyone, they all asked themselves.

          Plus good
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 14 January 2014 15: 07
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            This is how one must honestly write, and it doesn’t fade, like we are the fairest and most honest and won’t win anyone, they all asked themselves.

            Plus
            The fact that they were conquered does not make us dishonest. Many Caucasian peoples wanted to join the Republic of Ingushetia, which they did not refuse!
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 14 January 2014 20: 05
              -1
              Quote: bomg.77
              Many Caucasian peoples wanted to join the Republic of Ingushetia, which they did not refuse!

              To those peoples who wanted to join include Kazakhs, too.
              But here in my opinion it is necessary to distinguish between the people and the ruling dynasty. The vast majority of cases the dynasty took these steps in order to maintain power.
              For example, many here agree with me that it was not the Russians who destroyed the Soviet Union, but Gorbachev. His locals brand him a traitor. It is so?
              But when it comes to others, the rulers have nothing to do with it, but the people begged to accept citizenship and we preserved them as a nation, etc. But in order to make such conclusions, you need to rely on something, and in those days there were no referenda etc
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 14 January 2014 21: 40
                -1
                Quote: Clegg
                But here in my opinion it is necessary to distinguish between the people and the ruling dynasty. The vast majority of cases the dynasty took these steps in order to maintain power.

                Heads, not power. Previously, there were problems with tolerance, there was none at all. And the problems with future candidates for the prosecutors of the occupation were radically solved.
                Well, what was it worth for the Russian Empire to wait a bit and come to save the remnants of Caucasian people who were not cleaned up by the Turks and the fragments of the Kazakhs who survived in the tribal massacre?
                No, they saved, now the descendants are toiling with the consequences of Russian kindness.
                Yes, what to take from you _ Some Chinese will be sentenced, others Azeibardzhan, if you do not change your mind.
                Dream about it?
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 15 January 2014 15: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Cynic
                  Dream about it?

                  Well, if the minus was slaughtered, then dream.
                  That's just _
                  To dream - To dream, to be as if in a dream.
                  But reality is different and very different from sleep. In reality, the farther, the more they talk about the distortion of the history of Russia and of course not in a positive sense.
      4. alicante11
        alicante11 14 January 2014 16: 15
        +1
        And why the hell is independence? all the same, if not half, then a third live in Russia. And the rest will come.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 14 January 2014 12: 07
    +5
    Quote: Clegg
    Again infringement of the rights of Muslims


    What exactly is the violation of Muslim rights?

    Is it that Russia has a law "on freedom of conscience and religion" or the number of mosques and educational institutions is not enough? Are Muslims openly infringing on power? Employer? MASS MEDIA?
    And so for the tour drive to the Caucasus or to the same Tatarstan.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 14 January 2014 12: 47
      -3
      Quote: RUSS
      What exactly is the violation of Muslim rights?

      why do Russians have the right to hold a "Russian march", but Muslims are not allowed?
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 14 January 2014 13: 01
        +5
        A rally has already been held in Makhachkala. In Tatarstan and Bashkiria, generally Wahhabis with flags rode a car. Can you imagine that the Russian march will take place in Grozny? No! Well, yes, there are no Russians there, and there are few Dagestan - I wonder why? What did they run from there in the 90s? Probably from friendly and hospitable Muslims? And where should the Russians conduct such a march? Only Moscow remained - the Russians in Russia do not have a national republic in which, just as in Tatarstan or Chechnya, the tasks of caring for the TATAR and Chechen people would be set at the level of power, mind you, not the people that live there, but just like that.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 14 January 2014 13: 26
          -2
          Quote: Mairos
          Only Moscow remained - the Russians in Russia do not have a national republic in which, just as in Tatarstan or Chechnya, the tasks of caring for the TATAR and Chechen people would be set at the level of power, mind you, not the people that live there, but just like that.


          In Russia, there are 21 autonomous republics.
          All other subjects (of which there are 62) to collect and make the Russian Republic and sign a federal agreement with the rest of the autonomous republics.
          Then you will have your own Russian republic, and a common federation where the 22 republics will be included.
          Well, how's the plan?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 14 January 2014 14: 08
            +4
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Mairos
            Only Moscow remained - the Russians in Russia do not have a national republic in which, just as in Tatarstan or Chechnya, the tasks of caring for the TATAR and Chechen people would be set at the level of power, mind you, not the people that live there, but just like that.





            In Russia, there are 21 autonomous republics.
            All other subjects (of which there are 62) to collect and make the Russian Republic and sign a federal agreement with the rest of the autonomous republics.
            Then you will have your own Russian republic, and a common federation where the 22 republics will be included.
            Well, how's the plan?


            You should work in the State Department or in Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, there amateurs to build such plans.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 14 January 2014 14: 19
              -2
              Quote: RUSS
              Would you like to work in the State Department or in Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs,

              If offered, I’m ready to work for the State Department.
              But would essentially like your view of the plan?
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 14 January 2014 14: 47
                +2
                Initially, the formation of republics in the USSR was, in my opinion, wrong and erroneous, at least in the RSFSR, autonomous republics were absolutely not needed, it’s good that Karelia was transferred from the Karelian-Finnish SSR to the Autonomous KSSR as part of the RSFSR in the 30s, or even I’d leave in the 91st.

                Regarding your plan for 22 republics, this will further aggravate the territorial position of Russia, and lead to large separatist movements, the "Russian Republic" is a fairy tale and fantasy for teenage Nazis or enemies of Russia.
            2. demel2
              demel2 14 January 2014 18: 44
              +1
              He seems to be working there.
          2. Mairos
            Mairos 14 January 2014 14: 25
            +3
            This is a plan for the collapse of the country. You either fence off stupidity without understanding or look like a fool. How do all sections end like this? So who are you? BIP or mow? The historical reality is that it so happened that the USSR made a mistake (in my opinion) by creating national republics and national autonomies, planting a time bomb. The union fell apart. Do you want Tatarstan to become Turkmenistan? And the North Caucasus in a pack of "Syria"? And then again refugees to your "Russian Republic", first Russians from genocide by "self-liberated peoples", and then these same peoples - again to Moscow, to St. Petersburg, as Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Moldovans, Ukrainians come here. They also yearned for independence!
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 14 January 2014 14: 39
              -1
              Quote: Mairos
              The historical reality is such that it happened that the USSR made a mistake (in my opinion) by creating national republics and national autonomies, laying a time bomb

              Lenin is the greatest communist scoop, I think a man of genius. Created a mechanism through which we relatively historically restored historical justice.

              Quote: Mairos
              Do you want to

              I do not want anything, one Russian complained that they did not have their own republic. I suggested the option and that’s it.
              1. Mairos
                Mairos 14 January 2014 17: 58
                +1
                What is justice?
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 14 January 2014 20: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Mairos
                  What is justice?

                  The fact that we freed ourselves from the Kremlin dictatorship.
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 14 January 2014 21: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Clegg
                    we freed ourselves from the Kremlin dictate.

                    And what did he express himself in?
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 15 January 2014 07: 36
                      +1
                      Quote: Cynic
                      And what did he express himself in?

                      Dictate?
                    2. Cynic
                      Cynic 15 January 2014 15: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Clegg
                      Dictate?

                      He is the most Kremlin dictate.
                      I hope you will not tell about the State Plan?
                2. Mairos
                  Mairos 15 January 2014 10: 54
                  0
                  And now those who have been freed are heading for Russia, since they have a mess and ruin in the "free" countries. And when they arrived, they again want Islam, mosques and their usual way of life - everything that was there from where they fled. Go home, "free and independent."
        2. 3935333
          3935333 14 January 2014 15: 28
          +4
          Normal plan! At the same time, squeeze back the entire northern "Kazakhstan" and the entire eastern "outskirts"! to make the citizens of the Caucasus - on the example of the Baltic states - "non-citizens" and to conduct with the regions that we need in the geopolitical field very "democratic", in the American way - hide all "non-citizens" on the reservation and calmly work for the benefit of the RUSSIAN Civilization! Russia is, first of all, Russian Civilization!
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 14 January 2014 15: 39
            -7
            Quote: 3935333
            Russia is first of all Russian Civilization!

            yes no there is no civilization, the backyard of Europe
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 15 January 2014 15: 50
              0
              Quote: Clegg
              yes no there is no civilization, the backyard of Europe

              That we are now at the outskirts of the liberal Geyropa only glad if you want to raise your country to their level ...
              I am sincerely sorry for such a state.
              Yes, by the way _ Do not try to belittle others.
              And if you think that you, like your state, cannot be reached, you are also deeply mistaken _ Do not remind you of the year of its foundation? You don’t need to talk about the Great Ones, they can get angry wherever the Great’s heirs come across everywhere.
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 14 January 2014 16: 12
            -2
            Quote: 3935333
            Normal plan! At the same time, squeeze back the entire northern "Kazakhstan" and the entire eastern "outskirts"! to make the citizens of the Caucasus - on the example of the Baltic states - "non-citizens" and to conduct with the regions that we need in the geopolitical field very "democratic", in the American way - hide all "non-citizens" on the reservation and calmly work for the benefit of the RUSSIAN Civilization! Russia is, first of all, Russian Civilization!

            Kazakhstan is not advised to overcome, here you can’t cope with the Caucasians, but you can’t curb the nomads)))
            By the way, why are these strangled civilians so stubbornly staying there and not migrating to Russia totally ??
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 14 January 2014 16: 51
              +3
              Yeraz.
              Those who only have not curbed these nomads have independence for 23 years, and before that they sat below the grass quieter than water. Something I do not recall the Kazakh national liberation movement, the great battles won by the Kazakhs, etc. The only thing I remember when, together with the Kazakhs and other peoples, we won the Great Patriotic War.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 14 January 2014 17: 23
                -4
                Quote: RUSS
                Something I do not recall the Kazakh national liberation movement, the great battles won by the Kazakhs, etc.

                go learn the history of the ignoramus)))

                Quote: RUSS
                The only thing I remember when, together with the Kazakhs and other peoples, we won the Great Patriotic War.

                Yes, what is domestic? scoop has never been a homeland for the Kazakhs. Remember once and for all
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 14 January 2014 18: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Something I do not recall the Kazakh national liberation movement, the great battles won by the Kazakhs, etc.

                  go learn the history of the ignoramus)))

                  Quote: RUSS
                  The only thing I remember when, together with the Kazakhs and other peoples, we won the Great Patriotic War.

                  Yes, what is domestic? scoop has never been a homeland for the Kazakhs. Remember once and for all


                  Well, don't answer for all Kazakhs, smart guy. I wonder what the Kazakh veterans, especially the Panfilovites, would answer. And if it were not for the "scoop" as you put it, and not the Russian Empire, it would have chased horses across the steppe and celebrated needs behind a yurt. Tell me what you and your people have lost over the past 200 years?
                2. Cynic
                  Cynic 15 January 2014 16: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Yes, what is domestic? scoop has never been a homeland for the Kazakhs. Remember once and for all

                  How it carries.
                  Are you afraid to tell the Kazakh veteran of the War? After all, a whip can depart, grandfathers are not in such concepts raised and lived. Traitor, he is a traitor to them, and not realizing the historical truth.
              2. Yeraz
                Yeraz 14 January 2014 20: 22
                +1
                Quote: RUSS
                Yeraz.
                Those who only have not curbed these nomads have independence for 23 years, and before that they sat below the grass quieter than water. Something I do not recall the Kazakh national liberation movement, the great battles won by the Kazakhs, etc. The only thing I remember when, together with the Kazakhs and other peoples, we won the Great Patriotic War.

                Hmm, it’s worth to take a closer look at the history of the Cossacks, but the Cossacks are unprinted, even their nations were always called and called wrong by Russians, at least start with that. And then you will learn a lot of interesting things))
                It won, but the grandfathers would roll over to see what was happening right now, although some would rejoice, because not everyone went on their own)))
              3. Yeraz
                Yeraz 14 January 2014 20: 22
                0
                Quote: RUSS
                Yeraz.
                Those who only have not curbed these nomads have independence for 23 years, and before that they sat below the grass quieter than water. Something I do not recall the Kazakh national liberation movement, the great battles won by the Kazakhs, etc. The only thing I remember when, together with the Kazakhs and other peoples, we won the Great Patriotic War.

                Hmm, it’s worth to take a closer look at the history of the Cossacks, but the Cossacks are unprinted, even their nations were always called and called wrong by Russians, at least start with that. And then you will learn a lot of interesting things))
                It won, but the grandfathers would roll over to see what was happening right now, although some would rejoice, because not everyone went on their own)))
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 14 January 2014 21: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Yeraz.
                  Those who only have not curbed these nomads have independence for 23 years, and before that they sat below the grass quieter than water. Something I do not recall the Kazakh national liberation movement, the great battles won by the Kazakhs, etc. The only thing I remember when, together with the Kazakhs and other peoples, we won the Great Patriotic War.

                  Hmm, it’s worth to take a closer look at the history of the Cossacks, but the Cossacks are unprinted, even their nations were always called and called wrong by Russians, at least start with that. And then you will learn a lot of interesting things))
                  It won, but the grandfathers would roll over to see what was happening right now, although some would rejoice, because not everyone went on their own)))


                  I heard hundreds of times that Kazakhs call themselves Kazakhs, even if they are self-named Kazakhs, this is not so critical. And the fact that many did not voluntarily go to war, well, this is a normal phenomenon for many wars and peoples in particular. And one more thing, what could be so interesting that I could learn from the history of the Kazakhs? No offense, but I'm more interested in the story of the Mayans and the Aztecs ......
            2. 3935333
              3935333 15 January 2014 14: 02
              +1
              will cope? think yourself? if it’s very ... well, VERY necessary, then we can handle the Caucasus and Kazakhs in 2 weeks !!! Moreover, Yeraz, you will probably have to live in the best case, somewhere in the desert, if necessary!
        3. alicante11
          alicante11 14 January 2014 16: 18
          +1
          Then you will have your own Russian republic, and a common federation where the 22 republics will be included.
          Well, how's the plan?


          Bad There was already an Alliance with the 15 Republics.
    2. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 13: 45
      +4
      Quote: Clegg
      why do Russians have the right to hold a "Russian march", but Muslims are not allowed?


      Because we are at home.
      You can certainly collect, if you really want, a couple of three million Russians and march in Makhachkala or Grozny. But the inhabitants of these cities are extremely dislike. So why should we like what your community leaders have been thinking?
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 14 January 2014 13: 49
      +3
      Quote: Clegg
      Quote: RUSS
      What exactly is the violation of Muslim rights?

      why do Russians have the right to hold a "Russian march", but Muslims are not allowed?


      You have some kind of childish thinking "zya" "nizya", "dad can, I can't."
      For example, in the same Kurban for you, traffic was blocked in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and no one forbade you to pray and gather in thousands at mosques and the adjacent territory. What else does? Red Square?
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 14: 02
      +3
      Quote: Clegg
      why do Russians have the right to hold a "Russian march", but Muslims are not allowed?

      Spend your march in formidable.
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    1. Clegg
      Clegg 14 January 2014 12: 46
      +4
      Quote: 120352
      Muslims in Russia have one right: to accept Orthodoxy and forget their anti-human heresy!

      fool
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 13: 55
        +4
        Quote: Clegg
        Quote: 120352
        Muslims in Russia have one right: to accept Orthodoxy and forget their anti-human heresy!

        fool


        You shouldn't be so. 120352 simply changed the phrase of one of the bandit thugs in Syria (mind you, I do not identify him as a Muslim, this is just a sadist hiding behind Islam). So this scumbag said something like this: "Christians must either be slaves and pay tribute for what they live, or become Muslims or die."
        And I have not heard anything from normal Faithful that such "Muslims" should be hanged like mad dogs, because they cast a shadow on Vera.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 14 January 2014 14: 44
          -2
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          But this scumbag said something like this: "Christians must either be slaves and pay tribute for what they live, or become Muslims or die."

          who said that?
          1. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 16: 19
            0
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            But this scumbag said something like this: "Christians must either be slaves and pay tribute for what they live, or become Muslims or die."

            who said that?


            http://topwar.ru/32308-siriyskiy-boevik-zhenatyy-na-rossiyanke-vera-prosti-menya
            -za-dzhihad.html # comment-id-1430130
            I barely found it.
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 14 January 2014 14: 28
      +2
      Digital, well enough to carry nonsense.
  • lukke
    lukke 14 January 2014 11: 45
    +4
    And I would allow ... From the point of view of the letter of the law - formally, everything is fine. The only place I would change for such an action is not necessary at Manezhnaya (I must say that it will not accommodate a million, the protesters will be uncomfortable and why pollute the historic center when there are a lot of former pig farms in New Moscow). And the weather allows ...
    1. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 12: 25
      0
      And over the protesters, during the rally, you can spray something soothing. Forever and ever. Like "Anthrax".
      1. lukke
        lukke 14 January 2014 17: 41
        0
        What you inhuman ... just a rally must be combined with a concert by Timati
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  • Denis
    Denis 14 January 2014 11: 51
    +3
    I propose to allow, we are for shit democracy
    Even FORCE EVERYONE IN YOUR AUL!
    There and lezginka dance
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 14 January 2014 11: 58
    +1
    Quote: calocha
    An explicit order to destabilize the situation. You need to carefully ... look at the "Union of the Faithful", and for all who share their views.

    Absolutely true! And the "Union of the Faithful" from Dagestan needs to restore order in their homeland. Then there will be less reason to fear for the consequences of the declared rally in the center of Moscow. Too much aggression from the Muslim faith.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 January 2014 12: 00
    +9
    Well, this does not go into any gates, this is not a greyhound, but an announcement of your exclusivity and almost seizure of power over Russia. If you want to hold a meeting, hold a meeting in your villages and auls, and Moscow is the center of Orthodoxy, and if you were allowed to be here, then be "quieter than water, below the grass", and if you don't like it, go back to the auls! The guarantor's carelessness is surprising, "wedding" shooting is arranged "under the windows", and he seems to be waiting for the Kremlin to be thrown from grenade launchers! After all, articles have already appeared on the Internet that soon they are going to "... Putin is praying in your palace ...". After all, everyone knows who is the organizers of this outrage, and measures to take "the gut". God forbid to become an eyewitness of the "Russian rebellion, senseless and merciless ! "What do you want? God bless Russia!
    1. 120352
      120352 14 January 2014 12: 22
      +1
      Why so categorically ?! Want a rally in Moscow? Let it be built in their mountains and arrange at least a festival, at least a prayer ... But not with us !!!
  • onegin61
    onegin61 14 January 2014 12: 00
    +2
    Let them arrange it at home, even if they get up on our ears, this is not our problem. These rallies are nationalism.
  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 14 January 2014 12: 02
    +3
    I think that this is part of the information war against the common people, including the Caucasian, peaceful, not involved in any groups. This information, most likely, was specially thrown into the media to incite ethnic conflicts. This last years something has been done very often, with some regularity. Why should Caucasians rally, and even in such numbers, if in our country and so they have all the privileges? They are already dispersed throughout the country, almost all of the business in the country under them, the one that is not with the Jews, is almost not punished for criminal offenses. Even for murders they plant only under pressure from the public, and even then not always for long. They feel quite freely everywhere. The play with the detention of an Azerbaijani-Biryulyovo killer confirms that they are preparing for something. It is possible that people themselves would begin to demand the separation of the Caucasus, and someone is apparently very interested in this. Not just because after all all sorts of Albatsei voice began to be heard. (As a child, we said: A voice came from the garbage when a brick flew in.)
    1. Orang
      Orang 14 January 2014 12: 33
      +1
      Quote: Valkyrie
      Not just because after all all sorts of Albatsei voice began to be heard. (As a child, we said: A voice came from the garbage when a brick flew in.)

      A bit wrong: "Someone's voice from the trash heap tenderly asks for a brick."
    2. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 14 January 2014 12: 51
      +3
      Hmm ... I didn't expect such a thought from you ... Usually you first "shoot" and then "ask" ...

      Incidentally, if objectively, the level of well-being of the common people in Dagestan at the moment is drastically higher than the same indicator of Soviet time. Even old people admit it. But man is always not enough ... Now that everyone has their own family, their own home and their own car ... I want something more ...
      With age, I begin to understand why the NKVD was the kindest organization in the world ...
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 14 January 2014 13: 13
        +2
        Not in the subject .. sometimes it is useful according to the principle "first we shoot accurately, then we look at whom, and why - it does not matter." ))) And yes, we are clearly being brought down - to fight. And there is something to be angry with each other for (there is something to remember from both sides). At first I try to think with my head, but sometimes I remember or hear that .. I want to grab AKMS and kill .. and then I think, "So what's next?" The main problem is that even at the household level, mutual hostility and mutual claims accumulate. We too often look at the same facts differently, see them differently, but we live in the same country. And those who play us off are playing a win-win game - at least they will keep the tension. Personally, I see no prerequisites for improving the attitude of the majority of the Russian population towards the peoples of the North Caucasus and vice versa. It is sad. (((
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 14 January 2014 15: 05
          0
          Hi Anakin)) We will break through, if we do not sometimes turn off the brain as usual.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 14 January 2014 12: 06
    +3
    <<< Also, the activists planned to express dissatisfaction with the ban on wearing hijabs in Russian schools and oppose the construction of mosques in cities. >>>
    It is necessary to "treat" RESOLUTELY and HARDLY all these insolent "faithful" activists and their like-minded people who imagined that their Islam, brought from over the hill, from Saudi Arabia, is the only faithful, whom everyone must follow and obey its norms and orders up to transformation of Russia into a caliphate! With such "faithful", and in essence their ideology, irreconcilable both to the traditional for Russia directions of Islam and Orthodoxy, there can be no treaty and peace in Russia! Let them go with their hijabs and mosques to their Wahhabi ideologues and patrons in Saudi Arabia! And for those seeking to spread the "orthodox - irreconcilable" Islam by force and with the help of terrorist attacks, we screw up the bosses!
  • Egor69
    Egor69 14 January 2014 12: 11
    +3
    Not everything is bad, gentlemen))))) We have one activist organizing a jamaat, so they found it with a sawed off head, arms and legs)))) When they gave the body to relatives, they were just about .... whether they didn’t believe that in Russia so able))))
    1. dengy12
      dengy12 14 January 2014 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: Egor69
      Not everything is bad, gentlemen))))) We have one activist organizing a jamaat, so they found it with a sawed off head, arms and legs)))) When they gave the body to relatives, they were just about .... whether they didn’t believe that in Russia so able))))

      more details please ...
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 14 January 2014 12: 12
    0
    Not a question "Muslim brothers": lezginka and firing in the air, shawarma, various khinkalnye, etc. We leave the Caucasian flavor in our auls, we make our eyes calm, our behavior too, we behave within the framework of the Slavs, then we will talk.
    But seriously, the world is now undergoing "the second great migration of people." If the first was associated with the filling of new habitats in rich and fertile lands, then the second great migration of people should be called urbanistic. Masses of people migrate to more developed regions (not necessarily economically, the main thing is technocratic). The pre-existing species are forced to either yield their niche to aliens, or defend themselves. The only option is "multiculturalism" in which the cultural and national differences of ALL people are erased. But we somehow get the "nipple" system, blow in one direction and climb out the other ... can occur along ethnic and not administrative borders.
  • 120352
    120352 14 January 2014 12: 19
    +3
    Do you live in Russia? Live in Russian!
    The meeting wanted a Muslim? Yes please! Only on the New Siberian Islands or on Novaya Zemlya, in its northern part. But there - under its own power. Provide convoy. And back, excuse me, we won’t let it go! So sit there in your hijabs, burqas, with daggers and in burkas. Only do not take horses with you. Animals have nothing to do with it, and in general, they bring benefits, unlike you, let them live. And, which is characteristic, no bloodshed will follow. Nobody will spill your slush. She will just freeze.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 14 January 2014 12: 35
      +4
      It seems to me everything that you told us correctly with only one clarification: among the Muslim population, the bulk of them are very worthy people who also love Russia and their small homeland, and young "thugs" or "traders" who can only steal, plunder and parasitize at the expense of others. With regard to these scum, all the measures you propose are good and permissible, but do not equate them with the peoples of the Caucasus honestly working for the good of the family and country!
      1. striker
        striker 14 January 2014 14: 14
        +3
        Quote: kartalovkolya
        It seems to me everything that you told us correctly with only one clarification: among the Muslim population, the bulk of them are very worthy people who also love Russia and their small homeland, and young "thugs" or "traders" who can only steal, plunder and parasitize at the expense of others. With regard to these scum, all the measures you propose are good and permissible, but do not equate them with the peoples of the Caucasus honestly working for the good of the family and country!


        But these "worthy" "people from the Caucasus" still live according to the principle: THE MOST FUCKED ITS OWN IS BETTER THE GOOD ALIEN.

        The image of an ethnicly united Caucasian gang of diaspora, lying impudently and recklessly, when her compatriot was convicted of a perfect crime - took shape among the Russian population a century in advance.



        https://mypetition.ru/petition/449 - SIGNATURE
  • Egor69
    Egor69 14 January 2014 12: 20
    +6
    I don’t understand what the problem is. Introduce the concept of guest law into the criminal code. I violated this law, behaved as it was not accepted in this locality, we ask you for 10 years on sunny Magadan. He killed a local, on the move pancreas. Yes, the conditions are harsher. Do not like it? - To the historical Homeland. Donkeys spike. Do you want your daughter to go to school without a hedgehog? For God's sake. Why teach them on your own head. And you can cook lamb for your husband day and night without education.
    1. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 14 January 2014 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: Egor69
      I don’t understand what the problem is. Introduce the concept of guest law into the criminal code

      This is not a problem for us, but for the Duma there is still a problem. For this, you need to THINK, and think with what?
  • DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 14 January 2014 12: 28
    +4
    Before the Olympics, there should be no hint of rallies! "Well-wishers" will shake the situation in an instant. We wouldn't lose this important round of our history ...
  • SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 14 January 2014 12: 29
    0
    Quote: klimpopov
    By the way, what did the organizers hope for? Is it not to receive an official refusal? Now there is a trump card. Like they forbid ...

    That's exactly what they hoped for. Another stone in our garden.
    1. striker
      striker 14 January 2014 12: 45
      0
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      Quote: klimpopov
      By the way, what did the organizers hope for? Is it not to receive an official refusal? Now there is a trump card. Like they forbid ...

      That's exactly what they hoped for. Another stone in our garden.


      LKNam city hall refused ONLY in venue (Manezhnaya Square), if possible, the MOST MEETING the final answer will be given only on Thursday January 16th (http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/236607/)



      SOON

      1. SMUTIAN
        SMUTIAN 14 January 2014 20: 29
        0
        If this guy, after reading out his short requirements, after each point he turns to the help of a prepared crib ... Yes, and he gets confused in words ...

        That is how he will speak to a millionth audience))) recourse

        Very convincing ... crying (at least two people behind the scenes supported him ...) smile

        Campaign, for all again he indulges in some kind of mule to swear (he even knows prayers, by heart, some of which he knows ...) winked
  • Yurich
    Yurich 14 January 2014 12: 41
    +4
    Here many write about the corrupt police, they say they will not disperse. I would like to remind you, if anyone has forgotten, half of the employees have been on business trips to the Caucasus, and believe me, many have something to present to the "wahams".
  • Boris55
    Boris55 14 January 2014 12: 46
    0
    There is a good Russian saying: "With their charter, they don’t go to someone else’s monastery".
    Can you remember the experience of Pinochet? Stadiums seem to be enough ...
    1. Baton
      Baton 14 January 2014 13: 38
      +1
      And after the Olympics, they will also be added, and not so far from the corresponding regions ... wink
  • Dardanec
    Dardanec 14 January 2014 12: 46
    +3
    Quote: klimpopov
    And that is true. However, they refused. Apparently they understood that the situation was at its limit. Why bring it to this. Well, and besides, that this is a provocation, I have no doubt at all (in the sense of a rally).

    The provocation of pure water, this rally, and even an attempt to organize it, is 100% provocation. Correctly done that they refused.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 14 January 2014 13: 33
    +1
    First, let the Salafists and Wahhabis in the Caucasus publicly catch their sectarians and put them on trial according to the laws of the mountains, and let them try to ask there. Start cleaning the infection in your ranks then there will be no Islamophobia.
  • spirit
    spirit 14 January 2014 13: 36
    +1
    LKNam City Hall refused ONLY at the venue (Manezhnaya Square), if possible, the MOST MEETING the final answer will be given only on Thursday January 16

    There is one place in Moscow where they love and wait)))) only let them rent for their money, for a day winked
    1. urganov
      urganov 15 January 2014 20: 22
      0
      yes you are my friend xenophobe, moreover, rude and stupid. If you think that your post is the top of wit, then let me note that it does not cause anything but squeamish perplexity about the contents of your skull. I am ashamed.
  • operator35
    operator35 14 January 2014 13: 51
    -1
    We are not in a hurry to rejoice, my friends, they also promised to plant Vasilyev at first .... So the answer of the city hall still seems to me not a dogma.
  • Smoke
    Smoke 14 January 2014 14: 07
    +2
    in general, somehow strictly do not care about the opinions of any foreign ... if the Caucasians trample on an illegal rally - nada herachit
  • Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 14 January 2014 14: 08
    +2
    Allow! To collect! AND DUBES-DUBES!
  • delfinN
    delfinN 14 January 2014 14: 44
    0
    "They fought for the Motherland" Lopakhin: For you Petya a grenade, they will climb (they will go to the meeting), and you will use their grenade ...
  • avg
    avg 14 January 2014 14: 50
    +1
    The reason for the refusal is extremely simple and understandable. The organizers of the rally should with understanding and respect the fact that Moscow is the historical center of Russian Orthodoxy, and the declared rally by the majority of the population of Russia is perceived as a challenge and provocation, just as any non-Muslim rally in Mecca or Medina would be perceived.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 14 January 2014 14: 55
      -1
      Our city hall proved to be a rag, what kind of snotty wording of refusal? It should be something like this: An animal is in a zoo and not in the center of Moscow. Rally at home and get together at least hundreds of millions, right in the middle of the formidable rally we are not opposed. In general, it was just a provocation.
  • pv1005
    pv1005 14 January 2014 15: 57
    0
    Following the ideas of "real pure Islam" should be equated with schizophrenia and, accordingly, be treated in a CLOSED-TYPE PSYCHO-NEUROLOGICAL DISPENSARY.
  • kelevra
    kelevra 14 January 2014 16: 08
    0
    No, what a rally to hell! Let conscious Muslims put their brains in and instill respect for our culture of their "brothers"! We would behave like people, there would be no different phobias! And by the way, there are no phobias, there is alertness and over-tightened nerves that can spill out into unnecessary chaos and ethnic pogroms!
  • Egor69
    Egor69 14 January 2014 16: 08
    0
    Quote: dengy12
    Quote: Egor69
    Not everything is bad, gentlemen))))) We have one activist organizing a jamaat, so they found it with a sawed off head, arms and legs)))) When they gave the body to relatives, they were just about .... whether they didn’t believe that in Russia so able))))

    more details please ...


    What do you want details about? They are in the materials of the criminal case.)))) So far, the Dagi, in the amount of three snouts, drove to our city, in search of the head of the Jamaat,))))) managed to break into a car. When they were received by the guys from the CPE and SOBR, they did not even begin to educate them. All were broken))))
  • AVV
    AVV 14 January 2014 16: 12
    0
    Quote: evgenii67
    So I think maybe on Easter I can come with friends and relatives to Makhachkala or Grozny, and before that, hopak, hopak, dance in the central square and after all this (if I’ll stay alive and gather everyone who was alive and healthy), go back to the square and arrange a rally against Russophobia and Orthodoxy!

    Gnats gather in packs, and again want to impose their opinion on the majority, submit an application in London, and spend there !!!