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Seven myths about the USSR

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The Soviet Union was dissolved 22 a year ago, December 26 1991. Outside the former Soviet republics, it is widely believed that Soviet citizens eagerly desired this; that Stalin is hated as a vile despot; that the socialist economy in the USSR never worked, and that the citizens of the former Soviet Union prefer the life they live today under capitalist democracy, the one that in the inflamed language of Western journalists, politicians and historians is called "the repressive, dictatorial rule of a single-party state leading the sclerotic , creaky and inoperable socialist economy. "


None of these statements is true.

Seven myths about the USSR


Myth 1. "The Soviet Union did not have popular support"

17 March 1991, nine months before the collapse of the Soviet Union, Soviet citizens came to the polls to vote in a referendum on whether they were in favor of preserving the USSR. More than three quarters voted "For." So the majority of Soviet citizens wanted to save the USSR and did not support its disintegration at all.

Myth 2. "Russians hate Stalin"

In 2009, the Rossiya channel conducted a three-month survey of more than 50 million Russians, to find out who, in their opinion, is the greatest Russians of all time. Prince Alexander Nevsky, who successfully repelled an attempt of Western invasion of Russia in the XIII century, took the first place. The second place went to Peter Stolypin, who served as prime minister during the time of Tsar Nicholas II and conducted agrarian reforms. In third place, behind Stolypin only by 5500 votes, was Joseph Stalin - a man whom the "regulators" of Western public opinion constantly describe as "a ruthless dictator, on whose hands the blood of tens of millions." He can be blasphemed in the West, which is not surprising, since he never tried to please the hearts of the corporate "grandees" who dominate the ideological apparatus of the West, but it seems that Russians have a completely different opinion on this subject - one that by no means confirms the assertion that the Russians "became victims" and not reached unprecedented heights under the leadership of Stalin.

In a May / June 2004 Foreign Affairs article (Escaping Freedom: What Russians Think and Want), anti-communist Harvard historian Richard Pipes cited a poll in which Russians were asked to list the 10 greatest men and women of all time. This survey concerned significant historical figures in any country, not just Russian ones. Stalin came in fourth, behind Peter the Great, Lenin and Pushkin, much to Pipes's annoyance.

Myth 3. "Soviet socialism did not work"

If this is true, then capitalism, if judged by the same canons, is a complete economic failure. Since its establishment in 1928 and until 1989, when it was dismantled, Soviet socialism did not once, with the exception of the times of the most difficult years of the Second World War, experience recession and was always able to provide full employment. The capitalist economy of which capitalist country grew tirelessly, without recessions and with the provision of jobs for all its citizens for the whole 56 years? (The period during which the Soviet economy was socialist and the country was not at war was taken, 1928-1941 and 1946-1989).

In addition, the Soviet economy grew faster than the capitalist economies of countries that were at an equal level of economic development. <...> Of course, the Soviet economy never caught up and surpassed the economy of the industrially developed countries of the capitalist world. But she started this race from an unfavorable starting position, she did not have, like Western countries, centuries of slavery, colonial plunder and economic imperialism behind her, and she was tirelessly the object of Western, especially American, sabotage and opposition. Particularly detrimental to Soviet economic development was the need to divert material and human resources from the civilian economy to the military economy in order to solve the problem of worthy confrontation of the USSR with the potential military aggression of the West. The Cold War and the arms race that entangled the Soviet Union in a battle with a stronger enemy, rather than state ownership and planning, prevented the socialist economy from overtaking the industrialized countries of the capitalist West. And yet, despite the tireless efforts of the West to slow it down, the Soviet socialist economy showed positive growth in every peaceful year of its existence, realizing in practice the material guarantees of a decent life for all. What capitalist economy can boast of such achievements?

Myth 4. "Now that they have tried it, the citizens of the former Soviet Union prefer capitalism."

On the contrary, they prefer the state planning of the Soviet system, that is, socialism. Responding to a recent survey on the question of which socio-economic system they support, the Russians responded:

- State planning and distribution - 58%.
- Private property and distribution - 28%.
- Hard to say - 14%.
(Total - 100%).

Pipes quotes a poll in which 72 percent of Russians "stated that they would like to limit private economic initiative."

Myth 5. “Twenty-two years later, citizens of the former Soviet Union believe that the collapse of the USSR was more useful than harm”

And again - wrong. According to the “Gallup” poll, which has just been published, for every one citizen of eleven former Soviet republics, including Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, who consider the collapse of the Soviet Union to be good for the country, there are two citizens who believe that this has caused her a huge harm. Among those aged 45 and older, that is, among those who truly knew the Soviet system and can compare, the proportion of the latter increases significantly.

According to another poll, mentioned by Pipes, three-quarters of Russians regret the demise of the Soviet Union, and this is unlikely to be the reaction of people who could have been expected from someone “freed” from a “repressive state” and a “paralyzed, slow economy”.

Myth 6. "For the citizens of the former Soviet Union, it’s better to live today"

It should be noted that yes, some of them began to live better. But to the majority? .. Considering that the majority prefers the former socialist system to the current capitalist system and thinks that the destruction of the USSR did more harm than good, we could conclude that the majority of Russians did not get better or, at least to the extent that they do not believe that they live better. This view is supported by data on life expectancy.

In the article by the prestigious British medical journal The Lancet, sociologist David Stackler and medical researcher Martin Mackie show that the transition to capitalism in the former USSR caused a sharp drop in life expectancy and that "just over half of the former communist countries today (22 a year later! - Approx. Transl.) Again reached their pre-reform (socialist) level of life expectancy ". The average life expectancy of men in Russia, for example, in 1985, was 67 years. In 2007, it was already less than 60 years old. Life expectancy has collapsed in five years, between 1991 and 1994 years. The transition to capitalism thus provoked mass mortality among the adult population and continues to cause a higher mortality rate than it probably would have been under a more humane socialist system.

The 1986 study of the year by Shirley Tsireto and Howard Weizkin, according to the World Bank, showed that the socialist countries of the Soviet bloc achieved more favorable results in terms of the physical quality of life, including life expectancy, infant mortality and calorie consumption than capitalist countries at the same level economic development, and not inferior to capitalist economies, are at a higher level of development. (Well, here, Comrade Howard, as a true European, is somewhat out of touch, wanting to whitewash capitalism. Not a single country in the world, even the most capitalistly developed, could and cannot still provide such a high standard of living as the citizens of the USSR. Under living standards, we, former Soviet citizens, understand not only the material living conditions, but also the spiritual benefits provided by society FOR ALL, and that particular state of spiritual and moral comfort in a society that cannot be changed with any money. - Editor’s note ".)

With regard to the transition from a one-party state to a multi-party democracy, the Pipes points to a poll that demonstrates that Russians consider democracy to be fraud. More than three quarters agree with the statement that "democracy is the facade for the government, controlled by the clique of the rich and powerful."

Who said there that the Russians are not insightful? ..

Myth 7. “If the citizens of the former Soviet Union really wanted to return to socialism, they would simply vote for it”

If only it were that simple! Capitalist systems are designed to pursue a state policy that suits capitalists, and not to realize what is popular among the people, if what is popular contradicts capitalist interests.

For example, the United States still does not have public health insurance for everyone. Why, if according to public opinion polls, most Americans want it? Why don't they just vote for him? The answer, of course, is that there are powerful capitalist interests, mostly private insurance companies, which, by using their wealth and connections, do not allow for a government policy that would reduce their profits. What is popular among the population, unfortunately, does not always prevail in society, because those who own and control the economy always use their wealth and connections to dominate the country's political system, winning in the competition between the interests of the elite and the interests of the people. Michael Parenti writes: “Capitalism is not only an economic system, it is a whole social order. Once it is established, you don’t get it out of existence by electing socialists or communists. They can occupy formal positions, but the wealth of the nation, the basic property relations that determine Life laws, the financial system, and debt structures, along with national media, justice, and government agencies, all serve the interests of capital, not the people. "

The Russian return to socialism is most likely to occur next time, just as it did the first time - through revolution, and not through elections. Revolutions are not because people prefer a more advanced system than the one in which they currently live. Revolutions occur when it is no longer possible to live as before, and the Russians have not yet reached the point where the life they live today would become completely unbearable.

Interestingly, the Russians' survey of the year 2003 contained the question of how they would react if the Communists seized power. Nearly a quarter will support the new government, one in five will work with it, 27 percent will accept it, 16 percent will emigrate, and only 10 percent will actively resist it. In other words, for every Russian who actively opposes the communists, there will be four or five who support the communists or cooperate with them, and three who will accept them completely. Again, it would be an impossible reaction of people who were happy to quit - under what we call the "yoke of the communist government".

Thus, the liquidation of the Soviet Union is regretted by people who know firsthand about life in the USSR (not according to Western journalists, politicians and historians, who know Soviet socialism only through the prism of their capitalist ideology). Now that they have more than two decades of experience in multiparty democracy, private entrepreneurship and a market economy, the Russians do not consider these institutions to be “miracles” that Western politicians and the media are trying to present to us. Most Russians would prefer to return to the Soviet system of state planning, that is, to socialism.

But these realities of Russian society are hidden behind a blizzard of propaganda carried on by the media, the intensity of which reaches its maximum every year on the anniversary of the death of the USSR. They want us to believe that socialism, where it was tried out in practice, was supposedly publicly despised and allegedly unable to fulfill people's aspirations, although just the opposite is true.

It is not surprising that anti-Soviet views prevail in the epicenter of the capitalist world. The Soviet Union is condemned in the West by almost everyone: the Trotskyists for the fact that socialism in the USSR was built under the leadership of Stalin (and not their leader Trotsky); Social Democrats - because the Soviets welcomed the revolution and rejected capitalism; capitalists — for obvious reasons, for there was no place for them; the media, because they are in the hands of the capitalists; educational institutions - because their curricula, ideological orientation, and political and economic studies are directly dependent on the capitalists.

So, on the anniversary of the liquidation of the USSR, one should not be surprised that the political enemies of socialism are putting the Soviet Union at all different from what it really was, hush up what the socialist economy has really achieved, and what those who have been of this socialism really crave now deprived.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 14 January 2014 11: 55
    +28
    It seems that even in the West, they began to understand something ...
    1. Civil
      Civil 14 January 2014 12: 08
      +10
      Yes, you can write as much as you like about the fact that the USSR was in vain collapsed, no one for a healthy life will not change the system.
      But the very laughter provokes the fact that in general there are those who advocate the return of the USSR who, at that time, could defend the Socialist State with arms in their hands. Shame on you and shame.
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      2. yehat
        yehat 14 January 2014 12: 59
        +25
        something worth remembering.
        Soviet residents are very accustomed to the leading and guiding role of the party.
        It was a complete surprise that the party elite split (after Brezhnev) and then in the struggle for power betrayed and split the USSR.
        And while the people came to their senses and figured out, everyone began to live in the CIS.
        A significant role in the pursuit of the USSR was played by the weakness of Gorbachev, as a leader and Yeltsin. If a figure of Putin’s scale appeared on the site of Gorbachev,
        then we would continue to live in the USSR and would not live badly.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 14: 32
          +3
          Quote: Civil
          Yes, you can write as much as you like about the fact that the USSR wasted in vain


          This is an obvious fact, I don’t understand people who believe that together is bad and apart is good. Even elementary, try to play football in a team with egoists and lose to the team that plays together.

          Quote: Civil
          no one will live for a healthy system will not change.

          Today, an article in the topic has appeared, about info news. But at that time they were directed not toward leadership (they worked with him by other methods), and not the masses. So in this war the people lost because they bought halva, which was poisoned.

          Quote: Civil
          But the very laughter provokes the fact that in the masses those who advocate the return of the USSR, while able to defend themselves in arms

          Now, I never tire of repeating it. Most of those who scold the authorities, Putin personally or the capitalists in general, destroyed their country themselves, or actively, lying under tanks and shouting "Yeltsin! Yeltsin!" or passively, sitting at home watching TV.

          And then again, to vote twice for Yeltsin, and not for Zyuganov, for example, with all the hoax in those elections, Yeltsin had great support from the electorate. And now they say - all collapsed !!!
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 14 January 2014 22: 27
          +7
          I also remember that Stalin did not have time to carry out his main reform to remove the party from power. It seemed as though it were assumed that the party would have cadres and ideology, and the power should belong to public organizations.
        3. solodova
          solodova 29 January 2014 16: 36
          -1
          Putin's figure is a product of capitalism.
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      4. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 14 January 2014 14: 56
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        Yes, you can write as much as you like about the fact that the USSR was in vain collapsed; But the very laughter provokes the fact that the masses speak in favor of the return of the USSR to those who, at that time, could defend the Socialist state with arms in their hands. Shame on you and shame.

        Moreover, for the USSR, even those who received the ZaCPanku medal for Yeltsin’s support in the year 1991. Only hopeless dypaky do not change their opinions and decisions.
        Here they are the shameful heroes of 1991, overthrow the monument to Dzerzhinsky.
      5. varov14
        varov14 14 January 2014 19: 55
        +11
        Civilian .--- "But the very laugh is that the mass for the return of the USSR are those who, at that time could defend the Socialist State with arms in their hands. Shame and shame on you." --- You apparently forgot that the collapse The USSR began not at all under the slogans - "Down with the USSR, Give capitalism." It all started with the economy, a kind of slippage in production began. Accordingly, articles appeared on the inferiority of the planned economy, but the word capitalism was not mentioned, it was about cooperation, about people's enterprises, and so on. Respected people, academicians wrote. And how could you not believe if hundreds of thousands of tons of concentrate lay in the backyard. Then, somehow imperceptibly, the national question was intertwined. Sakharov, Solzhenitsin with his "underbelly of Russia" i.e. Central Asia. Those. a year or two were winding up the working masses. But all the same, the majority voted for the USSR. This is when it collapsed, perhaps many, including me, thought, maybe this is for the best - a woman with a cart, it is easier for a mare. There was no talk of capitalism yet, and I still don't understand how it appeared on the horizon, like an eclipse, that's what the word means. This is now the media sucks, and at that time they were in authority. Someone knew that they were already corrupt. Write about the truth more often, more, and everywhere. So socialism is not only for those who are in arms. There was a desire to improve it, to do it with a more democratic face, in the eyes of the same West. You won’t say that the people are asleep and see a war with any of the countries. But apparently democracy is contraindicated for us, or by this word we mean the devil, what other than democracy. So, socialism is the best form of the state system, without freebies, but from each according to his ability - to each according to his work. Assumes social justice, freedom, equality, public control over property and natural resources, but also does not reject in theory private entrepreneurship in certain industries. Create, invent, try.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 14 January 2014 20: 05
          +3
          Quote: varov14
          But apparently democracy is contraindicated for us, or by this word we mean hell, except that democracy
          Second.

          So that socialism is the best form of government
          drinks
        2. vzhzh
          vzhzh 20 January 2014 10: 00
          +1
          I don’t know if the economy was slipping, but the fact that it was being destroyed systematically was not visible with an armed eye! And under Yeltsin it was necessary to introduce a protectionist policy, and we, like in the Spanish Empire, have a lot of dumb brains.
        3. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 27 January 2014 07: 04
          0
          yes, they cunningly circled us, I remember I was a lieutenant and prepared to protect the archives of the regional committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
      6. alone
        alone 14 January 2014 21: 52
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        But the very laughter provokes the fact that in general there are those who advocate the return of the USSR who, at that time, could defend the Socialist State with arms in their hands.


        Especially shame and disgrace to those who during the referendum refused to conduct it, and now scream at the top of their mouths about the union.
        1. Right-Wrestler
          Right-Wrestler 15 January 2014 07: 48
          0
          What referendum do you mean?
        2. Right-Wrestler
          Right-Wrestler 15 January 2014 07: 51
          0
          On which about eighty percent of those who participated voted in favor of preserving the USSR?
      7. Current 72
        Current 72 15 January 2014 02: 09
        +2
        Before convicting everyone in shame and shame, answer, but where were YOU yourself ???
      8. Ulus5
        Ulus5 19 January 2014 16: 58
        0
        The Russian return to socialism is most likely to happen next time in the same way as it did the first time — through revolution, and not through elections.

        Quote: Civil
        you can write as much as you like about the fact that the USSR was in vain destroyed, no one for a healthy life will not change the system.

        I will go to fight for socialism.
        1. atalef
          atalef 19 January 2014 17: 07
          -2
          Quote: Ulus5
          I will go to fight for socialism.

          Flag in hand
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          We look forward to your detailed story. Good luck (do not forget to take more canned food)
    2. sds555
      sds555 14 January 2014 12: 44
      +10
      And they did their dirty work, and now they can say anything, I was 11 years old when the Union was destroyed and I remember something, they lost such a country, and all that blood and war in the vast expanses of the former Union lie precisely on foreign businessmen ( Well, inside, those who want to rule also tried)
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 14 January 2014 13: 03
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      It seems that even in the West, they began to understand something ...

      Yes, everyone always understood who had at least one gyrus, the problem is that some leaders did a lot of things for us to omit the authority of the USSR, starting with Khrushchev + sabotage, provoking a lot of discontent among ordinary citizens who were quickly echoed from the other side.
    4. A.YARY
      A.YARY 14 January 2014 13: 09
      +26
      Only we will "go away", and there will not be anyone who remembers the USSR, lived in the USSR, served the USSR, and can tell the truth about the USSR. Then the end will come.
      Therefore, it is necessary to spread knowledge about the USSR among young people as widely and intelligibly as possible, to explain that the collapse of the USSR is a betrayal of the "intelligentsia" and the ministers of the melpomene. To reveal lies about the USSR wherever there is such an opportunity!
      1. INC_1254
        INC_1254 14 January 2014 14: 21
        +20
        I was born in 1993, and as you can see, I couldn’t live in the USSR, but my father and mother tell me a lot about him, most often I ask something myself and then they tell me a long time, but the worst thing is that the vast majority of my peers + - 5 years, practically do not know anything about the USSR, and most of what they know is a deep lie, or at least an incomplete truth. So yes, I think it is very necessary to talk about the USSR, about life, about ideals, about achievements, about HEROES, and generally about the history of our Motherland, and to make history a mandatory exam for the USE and when entering universities. Every self-respecting citizen should know the history of his homeland IMHO!
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 14 January 2014 14: 37
          +7
          Quote: INC_1254
          Every self-respecting citizen must know the history of his homeland

          Every self-respecting citizen should, as far as possible, create his own country, based both on its historical experience and on the positive experience of its neighbors - and not just know the history.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 15: 10
            -4
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Every self-respecting citizen should, as far as possible, create his own country, based both on its historical experience and on the positive experience of its neighbors - and not just know the history.


            The first sensible thought that I heard from you, though I can not guarantee that I understood it the way you would like.

            For example, historical experience says that all revolutions in Russia always gave its opponents a head start in 20 years in terms of development, and then, at the cost of sacrifice and great efforts, they pulled the country out of the ass and made it Great.

            In the picture below, replace 1917-1920 with 1991-1993 and you will see that nothing has changed much
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 14 January 2014 16: 25
              +10
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              I can’t vouch that I understood her the way you would like
              I did not understand at all, because instead of normal literature and legislative acts, manuals on passing the exam and analysis of Naganov’s writings are read.

              For example, historical experience has it
              Historical experience says that every social revolution (cardinal, positive breakthrough) has objective reasons in the form of a global negative situation that society no longer intends to endure - a sharp improvement in the situation is a revolution.
              Victims arise from the fact that part of the society (reactionary forces) begins to actively resist the improvement of the situation (often such an improvement affects the selfish interests of these guys), up to the point of conspiring with sworn foreign friends and trying to physically destroy any socialist progress and interests of the majority.

              In the picture below, replace 1917-1920 with 1991-1993 and you will see that nothing has changed much
              Changed: 17-20 - revolution and the fight against the reaction supported by the West, 91-93 - counter-revolution built according to the "Orange Revolution" system.
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 17: 15
                -5
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Historical experience says that every social revolution (cardinal, positive breakthrough) has objective reasons in the form of a global negative situation that society no longer intends to endure - a sharp improvement in the situation is a revolution.


                And how much has life improved since the revolution after 1917 and 1991? the first 15-20 years of total confusion and reeling. Therefore, if the situation is changed, it must be changed democratically, namely through elections, and not through the principle "to quickly break down the old, and in its place it is long and painful to build a new one"
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 14 January 2014 17: 32
                  +8
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  And how much life has improved since the revolution after 1917
                  Strongly - from the 17 to the 41, the country and society in all respects went on 100-150 years in advance.

                  and 1991?
                  After Counterrevolution 91-93 in the sphere of production, the country slipped by 50 years (not very noticeable, since consumption is offset by imports), and socially by 100, and despite the partial preservation of the social achievements of the USSR (which are now being cut more and more), the gradual stable degradation and a rollback to feudalism.

                  if you change the situation, then you need to change it democratically
                  To change something in a democratic way, a democracy must exist in the country (but it does not exist), or people should at least have their brains in place (the government does everything to prevent this).

                  namely through elections
                  Giving 146% stability?

                  not through principle "to quickly break down the old, and in its place it is long and painful to build a new one"
                  Breaking is not done by those who change situevina for the better, but by those who resist the changes taking place in the interests of the majority.
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                  2. sledgehammer102
                    sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 18: 16
                    -8
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Strongly - from the 17 to the 41, the country and society in all respects went on 100-150 years in advance.


                    As you can see below, according to the index of industrial production, over the three years of the revolution, Russia fell back to the level of 1890 (30 years ago), and only by 1930 did it manage to return to the level of 1917 (13 years), and at what cost this "breakthrough" turned out to me you do not need to tell. And in 1941 the USSR only reached the level of the "natural" level of the Empire's IPP (if there was no revolution), and this is the most pessimistic scenario for RI

                    So no "leapt 100-150 years ahead", and most likely "licked the wounds and rebuilt the destroyed" slave labor of repressed people and collective farms, which did not differ from the "serfs".
                    1. Homo
                      Homo 14 January 2014 20: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: sledgehammer102
                      As can be seen below, the industrial production index

                      For me, an indicator of the superiority of the USSR over tsarist Russia is not some kind of "industrial production indices" but this:
                      - in Russia - on February 19, 1861, Alexander II signed the Manifesto “On the all-merciful granting to serfs of the rights of the state of free rural inhabitants” and “Regulations on peasants who came out of serfdom” (in fact, the abolition of slavery),
                      - in the world - London Underground is the oldest in the world. Its first line, which was called the Metropolitan Railway, opened in 1863.
                      - In the USSR - Trial traffic on the Komsomolskaya - Krasnoselskaya - Sokolniki section of the future “red” line of the Soviet metro began on February 4, 1935. Just 10 years after graduation:
                      - civil war (1922),
                      - interventions (1925)!
                    2. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 14 January 2014 20: 40
                      +4
                      Quote: sledgehammer102
                      As can be seen below, according to the industrial production index, for three years of the revolution, Russia rolled back to the level of 1890
                      From your schedule, I see that the decline began in the 2nd half of the 15th - the beginning of the 16th (before the civilian), and growth began in the 22nd (before the end of the civilian).
                      By the way, where did you get the picture from? What criteria were used to build the graph and what is the reliability of the data?

                      and only by 1930 did she manage to return to the level of 1917 (13 years), and at what cost this "breakthrough" turned out to me, I don't need to
                      Say thanks to the monarchists and Kohl (who at that time had everything on the drum), as well as to the guys who broke the monarchy in order to establish a classic capsystem, and then together with the monarchists and overseas friends tried to play back.

                      if there wasn’t a revolution
                      And it could not have been.

                      So no "leapt 100-150 years ahead", and most likely "licked the wounds and rebuilt the destroyed"
                      Yes Yes laughing
                      Look at the chart carefully - it is written in black and white that the 41 IPP is 6 times larger than the 15 IPP and 30! times the IPP 22, and this does not take into account the NTP and the nominal values ​​of production.

                      slave labor of repressed people and collective farms, which did not differ from the "serfs".
                      Fresh legend negative
                      1. sledgehammer102
                        sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 20: 55
                        -2
                        Look at the chart carefully - it is written in black and white that the 41 IPP is 6 times larger than the 15 IPP and 30! times the IPP 22, and this does not take into account the NTP and the nominal values ​​of production.


                        There are many words, but no essence) in 1930 they just returned to the level of 1917 ... well, or as you say in 1915 ... having spent 13-15 years on it ... or, more correctly, lost. Moreover, it can also be seen there that since in 1941 the IPP was in direct accordance with the "natural" tendency of the Republic of Ingushetia. So can you still show me the "100-150 years ahead" line?
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 14 January 2014 22: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: sledgehammer102
                        but rather to say, having lost
                        Precisely - whose fault?

                        So maybe you still show me equal for 100-150 years in advance
                        Perhaps for a start you will justify the naturalness of this tendency - so far this tendency is nothing more than a fantasy.
                        Maybe you’ll bother to remember that the volume of production is determined by the needs of the market, and the main changes are of high quality, and that a car or plane of the 15th in technology is several times behind the car or plane of the 41st.
                        If the domestic market of the 41st required production volumes of the 60th, these volumes would have been achieved.

                        And now, please be kind enough to give a link to the source of the chart, and at the same time to the source of the blizzard with budget estimates in barrels.
                      3. sledgehammer102
                        sledgehammer102 15 January 2014 03: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        So maybe you will still show me an equal for 100-150 years in advance. Maybe you will justify the naturalness of this trend for a start - while this trend is nothing more than a fantasy.


                        Sorry, but even throwing this jerk trend away for 100-150 years is not visible, since for 15 years it was only possible to go back to the level of 1915 of the year. So where?
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 15 January 2014 14: 12
                        0
                        Quote: sledgehammer102
                        Sorry, but even throwing this jerk trend away for 100-150 years is not visible, since for 15 years it was only possible to go back to the level of 1915 of the year. So where?
                        Pash - are you really like that, or are you pretending to be?

                        For 4 years, the country dealt with (as you deigned to say) entrepreneurs, true patriots and their foreign comrades, and for 8 years completely restored the production volumes of the 15th year (and this is a conclusion based on the schedule, the origin and reliability of which remains a mystery to me), but in a different capacity - and this despite the destroyed enterprises, infrastructure and economic ties.

                        If in the 2000s we repeated the version of the 17-30s (we conventionally equate the period 1993-2000 with civilian / intervention), then we would have had the volumes of the 90th with a completely new quality: for example, VAZ would produce cars of comparable quality and manufacturability with a BMW 2010-2012 release, and it would not be a screwdriver assembly.
                        But you intentionally miss the qualitative aspect of production.

                        Once again:
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        kindly give a link to the source of the chart, and at the same time to the source of the blizzard with budget estimates in barrels.
                  3. Aleksys2
                    Aleksys2 15 January 2014 00: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: sledgehammer102
                    There are many words, but essentially no) in 1930 just returned to the 1917 level ... well, or as you say 1915 ... after spending 13-15 on it ... or rather, having lost it.

                    Let's see if this is so:
                    First of all, Russia even lagged behind the USA, England, Germany and France in industrial production volumes. Its share in the total industrial production of the five above-mentioned powers was only 4,2%.
                    In the global production in 1913, the share of Russia was 1,72%, the United States - 20%, England - 18%, Germany - 9%, France - 7,2% (these are all countries with a population of 2-3 times less than Russia) .
                    In terms of gross national product per capita, Russia was inferior to the USA - by 9,5 times, England - by 4,5, Canada - by 4, Germany - by 3,5, France, Belgium, Holland, Australia, New Zealand, Spain - by 3 times, Austria- Hungary - in 2 times.
                    By the total volume of gross domestic product and industrial production, the USSR in the middle of the 1930's came out on top in Europe and second in the world, losing only to the United States and significantly surpassing Germany, Great Britain, and France.
                  4. Current 72
                    Current 72 15 January 2014 02: 24
                    0
                    I'm tired of minus you, so shut up please!
              2. Alexandr73
                Alexandr73 14 January 2014 22: 49
                +3
                My grandfather is from 1910. Now, unfortunately, he is no longer there and he will not be able to confirm anything. So, he never said that they lived BADLY. It was hard, yes. but what is bad is not. At the age of 14 or 16 (I don’t remember) he was sent to study as a tractor driver and he worked all his life on a tractor. You should have heard how he swore at the modern "mountain of tractor drivers" who left home for work at 10 o'clock in the morning. At that time he was already coming to dinner.
              3. uestlend
                uestlend 15 January 2014 00: 09
                +2
                What industry? Where did they get it? Kings of saints are extolled, remembering bloody Sunday is enough.
              4. dddym
                dddym 15 January 2014 09: 03
                +2
                Are you stunned? Which hipp? You wrote, but you yourself understood what kind of STI this is? This is not a real volume of goods produced by production; this is not real per capita income; it is generally an ephemeral quantity that only economists can use in their calculations. IPP is an index of industrial production, that is, the participation of industry in the total gross product and no more! Roughly speaking, the development of industry is relative to the development of the entire economy. As for the breakthrough, you need to use other graphs ... For example, GNP (gross national product) graphs for reference - this is the ratio of gross national product to US GDP, that is, roughly speaking, where they are closer to 50%, they are closer in level. It should be noted that the United States did not experience 10% of the troubles and destructions that came to our territory in different years. It is necessary to take into account the social policy of the USSR where education, medicine and many benefits generally made human welfare unprecedented in the USSR; this was not taken into account in the GDP because it was free and accessible.
                1. dddym
                  dddym 15 January 2014 09: 25
                  +1
                  if you turn your attention to the curve from 1921 to 1941, you will understand what a take-off was! In general, not a single economy of the world has had such a take-off for the entire time of the existence of mankind, that is, almost to space — if it weren’t for war, then all the capstranges combined would have remained in the ass!
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    7. INC_1254
      INC_1254 14 January 2014 15: 48
      +4
      Yarosvet, I completely agree with you, but in this case he was talking about history.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 14 January 2014 16: 28
        +4
        Quote: INC_1254
        Yarosvet, I completely agree with you, but in this case he was talking about history.

        drinks
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    9. varov14
      varov14 14 January 2014 20: 26
      0
      And how to create your own country, which does not and which, moreover, denies any ideology. Who is into the forest, who is by firewood? So we live like this, part of it steals, part of it creates the appearance of work, and at the same time it also steals, part of it works conscientiously, apparently due to proper education, well, etc. The economy, by and large, is also part of ideology, and if we deny it, we have what we have, the most convenient thing is to take what is bad and no responsibility.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 14 January 2014 22: 47
        0
        Quote: varov14
        which does not and which, moreover, denies any ideology
        No? laughing What is "ideology" in your understanding?

        Economics, by and large, is also part of ideology
        Yah? Economy, or is it a distribution system?

        and in case of denial, we have what we have, the most convenient thing is to take what is bad and no responsibility.
        Responsibility is not so much a matter of ideology as repressive bodies and the control of society over what is happening in the country.
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  • atalef
    atalef 14 January 2014 18: 28
    +1
    Quote: A.YARY
    and there will generally not be those who remember the USSR, lived in the USSR, served the USSR, and can tell the truth about the USSR. Then comes the end

    Well, it’s not worth it so gloomy, there’s nobody left from Egypt, but they remember and know about it, as well as about many other countries that have sunk into oblivion
    Quote: A.YARY
    Therefore, it is necessary to disseminate knowledge about the USSR among young people as widely and intelligibly as possible, to explain that the collapse of the USSR is a betrayal of the "intelligentsia" and the ministers of the melpomene

    What would they probably look at their fathers as if they asked why you are all so smart and strong such a country is pr ...
    Quote: A.YARY
    . To reveal lies about the USSR wherever there is such an opportunity!

    It is a different lie. Here, one convinces that there was no deficit in the USSR — open this lie laughing
    You probably think that if you tell young people tales about universal abundance, friendship of peoples, freedom, etc. --- they will completely rely on you and also wash themselves with burning tears
    We must tell the truth, in the USSR there were a lot of advantages, but no less flaws. And you will paint everything in pink - the same youth (which in general has done the same with a finger) - laughs and just sends it. You do not count on this effect?
    Therefore, the truth and only the truth. and they themselves will decide what is bad and what is good. IMHO
    1. varov14
      varov14 14 January 2014 20: 56
      +5
      So I am writing you the truth. Outback, we did not advocate against the USSR and socialism at all, but for the improvement of the economy, for the great democratization of society, for local self-government, but true. Yes, without an iron curtain, but if I had traveled to another country, I didn’t begin to love my own less. In addition, I was aware that education and health care are free of charge for us, a ticket to a sanatorium costs ridiculous money, that I flew to Simferopol for 42 rubles, the state gave me a free apartment. What I wanted was to slightly redistribute resources in favor of consumer goods instead of tanks. And at first the articles were on this topic, and only then the deliberate collapse of the economy began and it was presented in a completely different way. You can blame us, curse ourselves.
  • andr327
    andr327 20 January 2014 10: 52
    0
    and the guys will come to you and find an article very quickly, and not for "negligence", but much more.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 14 January 2014 14: 02
    +10
    but the modern Russia-theater of the absurd ...
    1. Pinochet000
      Pinochet000 14 January 2014 14: 09
      +2
      Perhaps we had to go this way ... to understand)
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 14 January 2014 17: 29
        +1
        Quote: Pinochet000
        Perhaps we had to go this way ... to understand)

        In order to understand what pain is not necessary to break a leg, it is enough to pinch your nose. But nobody pinched Gorbatom’s nose. He was thrown just like a losharu. He just started singing about hatred for communism, but really just a rural dropout, by cunning and crawled into power by licking. Probably, as they hate him in the former USSR, they hate nobody else like that. In the next life he will be a toad.
  • GDP
    GDP 14 January 2014 14: 51
    +9
    The USSR was the greatest super-rust with a powerful army, economy and the strongest social support of the population.
    I am ready to sign at least the first five points, and the last two - with reservations.

    6 - Russian citizens have become better off than in the USSR.
    In some things, yes
    In some, no.
    Speaking about the standard of living in the USSR, they often compare the USSR twenty to twenty-five years ago with the Russian Federation 2010, as if the USSR stood still and did not develop along with the rest of the world.
    This is the same as comparing Saudi Arabia 2000. and England of the 19 century, and on this basis to say that Islam is the key to prosperity. Surprisingly, many of our compatriots are being led to this heresy ...

    7 - Return to the new version of the USSR, based on new principles and ideas - Yes, most people will support it.
    Return to the old political and economic system - I am sure most of the people will no longer support it. Time does not stand still ...
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 14 January 2014 16: 46
      +4
      you can’t enter the same river twice .. Soyuz-2 will definitely differ.
  • denson06
    denson06 20 January 2014 15: 46
    0
    Only a few smart people, unfortunately ... Western propaganda is clearly doing its job .. The media is a terrible force ... and the false media bought are a powerful tool for propaganda and education ..
    At least the media would broadcast the truth - it would not be so offensive, but there ...
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 14 January 2014 11: 56
    +20
    Myth 1. "The Soviet Union did not have popular support"

    I remember when the herd demolished the monument to Felix. And who stood up for him ?. And it was enough to leave the house opposite the duty officer with a Kalash (is he also from the people or not?) And a couple of bursts over the horns.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 14 January 2014 12: 19
      +11
      Quote: Vadivak
      I remember when the herd demolished the monument to Felix.

      I also remember, then it seemed that they were demolishing the symbol of despotism, now we are fed up with freedom, which turned out to be disorder, unbridledness, ruin and impoverishment, you yourself know ... However, in the demolition of the symbols of communism there is a historical background, because all the symbols of the previous era were demolished , not only monuments to kings, but also churches, so history repeats itself as always twice, once in the form of tragedy, another time in the form of farce ...
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 14 January 2014 12: 47
        +20
        Quote: Uncle
        then it seemed that they were demolishing the symbol of despotism,


        But the Chinese did not bend. There, on June 4, 1989, they also wanted democracy but got it on the teeth. Moreover, tanks. On the night of June 3–4, tank and infantry units were entered into the square. Estimates of the death toll among civilians range from 400-800 (US Central Intelligence Agency) to 2600 (Chinese Red Cross). The number of wounded is usually estimated from 7 to 10 thousand. After the suppression of the protests, the government made a large-scale series of arrests among the remaining supporters of the protests, imposed a ban on the distribution of the foreign press, and placed under its strict control the coverage of events in the Chinese media.
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 14 January 2014 13: 08
      0
      Quote: Vadivak
      Myth 1. "The Soviet Union did not have popular support"

      I remember when the herd demolished the monument to Felix. And who stood up for him ?. And it was enough to leave the house opposite the duty officer with a Kalash (is he also from the people or not?) And a couple of bursts over the horns.

      I doubt that all these events were well prepared and controlled, I didn’t break anything and it never occurred to me.
    3. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 14 January 2014 13: 51
      +13
      Quote: Vadivak
      I remember when the herd demolished the monument to Felix. And who stood up for him ?.

      And remember, there was such a magazine "Ogonyok". Editor-in-chief V.Korotich (it is clear who he is by his last name) In the 80s, this magazine was very popular, and in each of its issues - exposure of Stalin, communism, praise of dissidents. Published in huge editions, sold everywhere. I was 20 at the time, I used to trust newspapers during the Soviet era, so reading this "Ogonyok" blew my head off. And many have read it.
      Why did I write this? Besides, in the 80s, Korotich and his Caudle had to be put up against the wall, and in the 90s the monument to Dzerzhinsky would not have been dropped. And the brains of people would remain in place. And the rest of the "intelligentsia" shut up.
      And now the media is just a big mess, things are never called by their proper names, but this is understandable, they serve the interests of the current Korotchichs, they work off money. And if you don’t put them in their place now, in the younger generation, in the head, the mess will be made up of dough, homosexuals, glamor, and the Western way of life.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 14 January 2014 14: 16
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Tver
        And now the media is just a big mess, things are never called by their proper names


        Well, sometimes activists appear who try to comprehend something without falling into fanaticism

        http://stalinism.ru/stalin-i-sovremennost/sssr-pri-staline-tolko-faktyi.html
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 14 January 2014 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: Andrey from Tver
        And if you don’t put them in their place now, in the younger generation, in the head, the mess will be made up of dough, homosexuals, glamor and a Western lifestyle.

        So already now it's a mess, it's just that they still do not leave their computer shooters and our generation is nearby. I agree with the rest, the slandered himself considered Stalin a tyrant. The greatest awareness came after reading Drozdov's books, starting with "The Last Ivan" http://ivandrozdov.ru/- to everyone who has not read, to read! The struggle for our minds since Stalin's time is clearly shown, especially to the defenders of the small people (I do not write the name of the nationality, for writing it, the entire comment was deleted + received a warning and realized that this was not a censorship word.In fairness, I must add that I changed the letter e to e for the sake of reproduction specific Odessa accent)
      3. Current 72
        Current 72 15 January 2014 02: 36
        +1
        Here you are right in this, and I fully support you in this !!!
    4. Criceta
      Criceta 14 January 2014 14: 13
      0
      Quote: Vadivak
      I remember when the herd demolished the monument to Felix.

      As long as patriots consider people who do not share them, views are a herd, patriotism, in this country, will be the lot of a minority, and the main association with the word patriot will be the call to "select and divide."
    5. aviator65
      aviator65 14 January 2014 14: 26
      +6
      One of my relatives at that time worked in the very house opposite. So he said that it was at that moment that the entire personnel of this house was busy preparing to repel the assault. At all the windows overlooking the square, submachine gunners and machine-gun crews took up positions. Considering that the crowd in the square was intensely inflated and warmed up, then your turn from a machine gun would have worked like a fuse. How much blood would spill then! But some people were waiting for this! That is why, in the end, they staged a massacre in the tunnel under Kalininsky, completely senseless at that. Heroes and martyrs were urgently needed. And then “coup!”, “Revolution!”, “Collapse of the bloody regime!”, But there are still no victims and bloodshed. Not serious like that.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 14 January 2014 21: 57
        0
        Quote: aviator65
        your turn from the machine would work like a fuse.


        +
        I wrote a little bit higher on this episode. After all, they went to storm the KGB, and escaped with a monument wink . There was a rumor in the crowd that the monument was made of gold (that Stalin kept a gold reserve there). And the whole energy of the crowd went to the monument. Of course, to whom it was supposed — they controlled the crowd so that all this herd (really, a herd, and I’m ready to prove it) didn’t even understand why they were going to the KGB, but went home with a piece of bronze in their hand.
        bully hi
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 14 January 2014 22: 09
          +1
          Quote: Botanologist
          There was a rumor in the crowd that a monument of gold


          Saw the Shura, they are gold. Passed already ...
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 14 January 2014 22: 04
        +2
        Quote: aviator65
        your turn from the machine would work like a fuse. How much blood would spill then!


        So Felix was demolished and there was no assault, and the relative was not injured. And everyone is happy, right?
    6. GDP
      GDP 14 January 2014 15: 50
      +2
      In Moscow, the USSR probably did not have support, but in the provinces, it is a completely different matter. Moscow has always been a separate state - with its own special requests and privileges.
      In the province, almost everyone was against the collapse of the USSR, but they could not influence anything.
    7. Botanologist
      Botanologist 14 January 2014 21: 50
      +1
      Quote: Vadivak
      And it was enough to leave the house opposite the duty officer with a Kalash (is he also from the people or not?) And a couple of bursts over the horns.


      Firstly, you would not reassure the crowd over their heads (and even at that moment). Secondly, the crowd was brought to the monument by those who were supposed to, for they were leading away from the assault on more serious objects. And his fellow officers simply wouldn’t let the attendant shoot. I will not dwell on the details, just take a word.
      Secondly, the person on duty after these lines would have been prepared for such persecution from all "Vzglyadov", the Politkovskys and others, and EBN personally would have kicked it for the sake of "democracy, you know."
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 14 January 2014 22: 11
        +2
        Quote: Botanologist
        Firstly, you would not reassure the crowd over their heads (and even at that moment).


        The Chinese reassured. In 1989, so there are examples.
        1. aviator65
          aviator65 15 January 2014 00: 36
          0
          And who was to reassure us? Boys who soared for three days in their tanks at the Moscow crossroads, not fully understanding why they drove them into the city?
          In China, there was a political will of the leadership. There was someone to give the order, and there was someone to carry it out. And here the "great commander" Grachev, instead of fulfilling his duty, did not give a damn about the oath and was among the first to come running to bend before the new ruler of all Russia.
          And the Chinese mentality must also be taken into account. It differs from ours.
  • major071
    major071 14 January 2014 12: 01
    +23
    An interesting author, this Canadian Stephen Govans, who had read his articles about North Korea earlier, Gadaffi, very competently argues. In general, an intelligent person, in contrast to Western extras, knows how to think. The article put a plus. good
    1. domokl
      domokl 14 January 2014 12: 24
      +9
      Western journalism also has a lot of thinking people. But we know who pays and orders music ... But the author is really interesting .. Sometimes it’s even more left-wing than most of us drinks
      1. major071
        major071 14 January 2014 13: 05
        +5
        hi Alexander! I agree, there really is no left! laughing Printing in the Western press, he defends the position of communism, and in all its manifestations. drinks
  • alex-kon
    alex-kon 14 January 2014 12: 02
    +17
    Yes, unfortunately, the 7th myth is beyond fiction. It remains only to remember their story, which everyone misinterprets in their own way. I was lucky to be born in the USSR and get a wonderful free education. But my children were already born in Russia, and I am horrified to see what they have done with their current education.
    1. Very old
      Very old 14 January 2014 12: 56
      +4
      1. Lies.
      2. Lies. (but there are those who hate, how many are there?)
      3. Lies. Worked (fed half the world, they lived somehow, this was it)
      4. Lies. Until now, the country lives on Soviet groundwork.
      Capitalism needs a lot of effort
      5. Lies. No comment at all ... in
      6.Lies. Not everyone ... etc.
      7.Lies. Russia will vote. Not newsletters. But in the ballot box, someone thunders to fanfare

      To the author: SEVEN PLUSES!
  • zart_arn
    zart_arn 14 January 2014 12: 03
    +8
    But in today's Russia and the USSR in the late 80s and early 90s, almost the same people are at the helm and at the feeding trough.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 14 January 2014 12: 52
      +6
      Now their deputies are sitting ....

      if the communists seized power. Almost a quarter will support the new government, one in five will cooperate with it, 27 percent will accept it, 16 percent will emigrate and only 10 percent will actively resist it.

      The only question is where to get the TECH Communists ??? The last real communist whom I saw was my grandfather, who died in the 86th year.
      1. knn54
        knn54 14 January 2014 13: 49
        +4
        -Lelikas: there is only one question - where to get the TECH Communists ???
        Bolsheviks, they saw Lenin alive, and the Communists saw him at the tomb.
        -alex-kon; ... I look with horror at what I did to my current education.
        For the money that the granddaughter brings to school during the school year, it was possible (30 years ago) to play a decent wedding for her. I will not say anything about the quality of education.
        “For the revolution, it is not enough that the lower classes do not want to live, as before. It also requires that the tops cannot manage and manage, as before. ”
        The peaceful nature of the revolution can only be ensured by the decisive revolution of the overwhelming majority. But the events in Egypt showed that for the emergence of a revolutionary situation, the determination of the masses to fight for their rights is NOT enough. We also need a universally recognized leader with a consistently revolutionary party with a clear and comprehensible program of action for the masses. Otherwise, the revolution will not take place, and the people will receive only crumbs.
        And then the revolution will take place in the form of an uprising, as it was in 1917.
        THEN it was the choice of the people themselves. who went for a small party of Bolsheviks with their SPECIFIC Program.
      2. Raptor75
        Raptor75 14 January 2014 17: 24
        +6
        IMHO, all real communists were killed on the battlefields of the Great Patriotic War. They had only one privilege - to be the first to attack.
        1. Current 72
          Current 72 15 January 2014 02: 51
          +2
          Raptor 75! ...... They had only one privilege - to be the first to attack! And then, with a sweat of their faces, and to bloody corns, to restore the entire economy of the country destroyed by the war !!! Sorry, I just added to your offer.
      3. Botanologist
        Botanologist 14 January 2014 22: 01
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        where to get tech communists ???


        I personally, going from current figures Communist Party, check pockets just in case. So that they do not whistle.
        This is not a hyperbole, there were moments crying .
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 January 2014 22: 12
      +3
      Quote: zart_arn
      But in today's Russia and the USSR in the late 80s and early 90s, almost the same people are at the helm and at the feeding trough.


      Good girl. Well, or their change
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 14 January 2014 12: 03
    +13
    There was a referendum. And I personally voted "FOR" on it. What I have never regretted ... The overwhelming majority of citizens of the Soviet Union did the same, regardless of their nationality and place of residence ...
    Only there, "at the top" they did not listen to the popular opinion, and then there were "three heroes in Belovezhskaya Pushcha" ...
    I don’t presume to judge what would have happened "if the Union remained" ... History does not like the subjunctive moods, but I think that it would not have been worse ...
    1. klimpopov
      14 January 2014 12: 14
      +5
      However, the question in the referendum was very twofold.
      Now they love to remember this referendum and tell that everyone voted for the preservation of the USSR. I myself participated in it, voted “For”, but for us everything looked a little different. The question at the vote was very vile -

      “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics in which human rights and freedoms of any nationality will be fully guaranteed.”

      The options were “Yes” or “No”

      And we voted for the word "renewed" and for rights and freedoms. The no was perceived as a return to the past. I remember very well the disputes on this matter.

      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 14 January 2014 14: 49
        +3
        Quote: klimpopov
        However, the question in the referendum was very twofold
      2. FormerMariman
        FormerMariman 14 January 2014 19: 53
        +1
        Something we in Kazakhstan did not see any referenda and bulletins point blank?
  • domokl
    domokl 14 January 2014 12: 05
    +1
    In principle, everything is true. The article is in the spirit of the left in the West. It is doubtful to me of course about the revolution ... There is no one to do it now. We are already for stability. And young people trust the Internet more than we do ... And, if you really be honest , we cease to be a single country. About Moscow or, to a lesser extent, Peter, as we are talking about other states quite openly ... But now, the small-town patriots are raising their heads higher and higher.
    So the hope now is more on deputies, on the president ... than on revolutionaries.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 14 January 2014 12: 40
      +10
      And here is Vladimir wrong.
      Hope only on the RUSSIAN PEOPLE ....
      The President speaks to us, but on the contrary makes such a feeling, inside this person is a Vile, cold emptiness ....
      The deputies - "approved". A mad printer, thoughtless laws in the number of 5000 - adopted more than all parliaments in Europe, during the same time))))
      Moreover, one canvass is to tighten, raise fines, select social benefits, make impossible the functioning of People .... and take more from them ....

      Well, legally, the USSR is alive, its "boys" were thinking of losing it, but the mind was not enough to draw up the documents correctly)))
      So Union Slavic Socialist Russia WILL, whoever there would not think and write what is IMPOSSIBLE))))

      TRADERS will answer according to the laws of the USSR, since all by-laws of today's RF are actually and legally insolvent .....
      1. domokl
        domokl 14 January 2014 13: 08
        +2
        Quote: Asgard
        Hope only on the RUSSIAN PEOPLE ..

        Can you tell me, after the USSR, what the Russian people did great? Not a state but this very people? And the combination of Christianity and communism is generally cool ... laughing
        I’m somehow used to it that I don’t really believe in words. So much, since Soviet times, have you seen talkers ... Slavic union? Well, well ... do Tatars appear, Bashkirs and about 140 nationalities are already sort of second-class people?
        Nationalism, although I am pleased with Russian, when I seem to be by birth a superior among equals, is as dangerous as what you are writing about now.
        1. yehat
          yehat 14 January 2014 13: 19
          +5
          survived the perestroika.
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      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 14 January 2014 14: 24
        +3
        Quote: Asgard
        Union Slavic Socialist Russia WILL

        I would correct it. Union Soviet Socialist Russia. And so plus. For you don’t twist the foundation of Russia and the Russians.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 14 January 2014 15: 57
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Quote: Asgard
          Union Slavic Socialist Russia WILL

          I would correct it. Union Soviet Socialist Russia. And so plus. For you don’t twist the foundation of Russia and the Russians.

          The name is beautiful and the continuity is felt, but what does advice mean? I perfectly remember the jokes about advice, "advise anyway we live in the land of advice." If we take the councils of workers and peasants at the beginning of the USSR, then I do not remember their positive role and then I also remember about "unanimously".
          I would choose the name RUSSIA - a great multinational power, the entire kodla of human rights defenders instantly expels laughing and to finish them off it would be good to wedge them in somewhere WORLD and HOLY to finish them off and the law to distort the name on the "rack" - will die of anger laughing
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 14 January 2014 17: 37
            +1
            Well, I also think that "advice" is an anachronism ...
            There should be an election, BUT only men over 40, who have necessarily created a family, can vote
            .... children, women, half-mad (in mental hospitals)), sentenced to prison terms, are not allowed to elections ...
            An analogue of Digging right, but with mechanisms that do not allow the revival of the "Jewish", "Atlantic" project.
            + mechanism not allowing the SOCIETY to stagnate, stagnate, since it wasn’t The Russians were first "gouged" by the Atlanteans in a military manner, and a little later, the Jews - with genocide, and its kind, apartheid banking, when a minority imposed their dictatorship on a stupid majority)))))
            So Slavic sounds better, and praise is still better than asking)))) and there will be no Slaves of "God" and no one will sign letters like that for sure)))))))))))
            I’ll also explain about the Bashkirs, Buryat and further on the list, the nationalities are abolished,
            there is a kind
            "Analities" were invented so that the members of the forum would ask each other, but what about everyone who somehow self-named there ...
            There are two types:
            - People (with tribal principles, self-awareness, internal discipline, friends with conscience and not trembling before anyone))))
            -And Human) which need to be "raised" - to the level of People .....

            Glory to the ROD)))))))))))))
            1. Luzhichanin
              Luzhichanin 14 January 2014 19: 25
              0
              Quote: baltika-18
              Quote: Asgard
              Union Slavic Socialist Russia WILL

              I would correct it. Union Soviet Socialist Russia. And so plus. For you don’t twist the foundation of Russia and the Russians.
              I’ll correct it again: we will live in the Union With Conscience in Russia! wink
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    2. dmb
      dmb 14 January 2014 12: 40
      +7
      Yes of course. And the deputies, for the most part, who paid a lot of money for their deputies and the President and his colleagues in the Ozero cooperative, they are our hope. Right in front of your eyes is Yakunin, who gave his mansion to an orphanage, and dressed the Ivanovo weavers with fur coats, Sechin, who built a kindergarten in Kholmogory on his own income, Serdyukov, Golikova and Fursenko who monthly pay extra from their own pockets to pensioners of the Ryazan region, etc. etc. No, there are of course exceptions. there Putin and Ivanov's leopards are helping.
      1. domokl
        domokl 14 January 2014 13: 09
        -4
        So you elected such deputies and such a president ... Why then are you complaining?
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 14 January 2014 14: 27
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          So you chose such deputies and such a president.

          I personally vote against since 2004.
        2. dmb
          dmb 14 January 2014 14: 44
          +3
          From this commentary it follows that you agree with me, and therefore you have informed about the hopes for them only for the sake of a good word. They complain, this is when they are elected, but did someone choose the deputies? Tell me the name of the one you personally voted for? Even if you believe in the power of political naivety, that the elections to the Duma were fair, and the United Russia Party is the favorite party of our people, then you did not choose a deputy, but a party, and who would sit in the Duma, it was not you who decided, but the members of that party. Now with the President. Do you want to assure me that in 1996 Yeltsin was loved by the people and therefore elected? Even the Swedish observers did not believe this. Are you saying that an ordinary colonel, pulled out of oblivion by himself by virtue of his talents, was elected by the people in 1999? Do you think that the gentlemen listed by me in the previous commentary, as well as the Chubais and Vekselbergs, in vain, invested money and effort into the collapse of education.? Read the main message of all those who love this colonel: "There is no other." No and never will. These gentlemen will not give, because he protects primarily their interests. Such a life seems to suit you. I am not, and there are more and more people like me.
        3. Starfish
          Starfish 14 January 2014 16: 05
          +2
          "So you elected such deputies and such a president ... Why are you complaining then?"

          I'm sorry to get in, but personally, my family and I have never voted for EdRo and the moon-faced. or didn’t go to the polls or who voted for the Communist Party, and who (just for fun - I don’t understand them) for the LDPR
  • SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 14 January 2014 12: 07
    +3
    The article is correct. Of course there were minuses, but very few, mostly pluses. It’s a pity the Union, I’m sorry for everything that is now pouring mud. But the hope is still alive, I think everything will return to square one.
    1. yehat
      yehat 14 January 2014 13: 14
      0
      The main minus of the USSR was that the political problems created by the international did not solve in the root, but went with the flow, and choosing the simplest solutions. Because of this, Western countries were scared and Hitler therefore attacked and the Cold War was also precisely why. And the Warsaw Pact created (again with the flow) was sponsored by the USSR, while the only right system of alliance was demonstrated by the USA - they are all paid for what is in the alliance. And the size of the subsidized pyramid of the Warsaw Pact in combination with the arms race is able to destroy ANY economy, even such as in the USSR.
      Why was there a shortage in the USSR? Because socialism is inflexible? Nifiga like that! Because on the social network there were crumbs!
      All gave in a meaningless race. The RSFSR lived worse than all the republics.
      I remember all this.
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  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 14 January 2014 12: 07
    +4
    In any case, it is necessary to return to the path of socialism, but I would like to do without revolutions and shooting, if at all possible.
    And capitalism will bury the current global structural crisis in any form, since Adam Smith said that capitalism will exist only as long as expanding markets exist. Today there are no such markets, the collapse of a great country only delayed this process by 20 -25 years.
    So the "charms" of the next transitional period will not keep us waiting long, only now we will go through it without a pillow under the booty in the form of Soviet industry, unfortunately.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 January 2014 12: 28
      +15
      Quote: Andrey57
      In any case, it is necessary to return to the path of socialism


      How? How to explain the Minister of Railways of the Russian Federation, let’s say that 120 square meters are enough for him. m. of housing, such as the Prime Minister of Norway,



      rather than his house, which looked more like a railway station.
      1. Lapotnik
        Lapotnik 14 January 2014 12: 46
        +6
        And silently. Cutting salaries of high-ranking bureaucrats, imprisoning corruption, equates corruption in the social sector and state-forming spheres with sabotage and harm to the state with an increase in time and complete confiscation. Until the execution. The abolition of privatization, which I explain, is up to date on their own.

        Here it is necessary to change the question. How to explain, we will find, the question is different - who will explain?
        1. Pirr
          Pirr 14 January 2014 17: 51
          +3
          Quote: Lapotnik
          And silently. Cutting salaries of high-ranking bureaucrats, imprisoning corruption, equates corruption in the social sector and state-forming spheres with sabotage and harm to the state with an increase in time and complete confiscation. Until the execution. The abolition of privatization, but what I explain, myself in the know. Here it is necessary to change the question. How to explain, we will find, the question is different - who will explain?

          Briefly, from the school curriculum in literature, 8 cl. Chatsky - "Who are the judges ?!".AND. S. Griboyedov "Woe from Wit".
          Each of your current "judges" have similar houses. And the biggest, the "iron Felix's grandchildren" - the cooperative "Lake" - this is an example, judging by your media. I do not believe in the "Russian just miracle". AHL and I were lucky. And to you, from the GDP - I don't know ...
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      3. Grenader
        Grenader 14 January 2014 13: 44
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: Andrey57
        In any case, it is necessary to return to the path of socialism


        How? How to explain the Minister of Railways of the Russian Federation, let’s say that 120 square meters are enough for him. m. of housing, such as the Prime Minister of Norway,



        rather than his house, which looked more like a railway station.

        Previously explained simply using a two-handed saw and quilted jackets.
        1. Criceta
          Criceta 14 January 2014 13: 54
          -1
          Yakunin, of course, went too far, but 120 m2 is frankly not enough for a country house where a family of at least three people will come))) So the Prime Minister was modest ...
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 14 January 2014 15: 22
            +1
            Quote: Сriceta
            Yakunin, of course, went too far, but 120 m2 is frankly not enough for a country house where a family of at least three people will come))) So the Prime Minister was modest ...



            It would be better to raise the salaries of conductors and drivers, otherwise people work for a penny.
            And stickers in old still Soviet cars hang that Russian Railways are a symbol of evolution and environmental friendliness, and that somehow they did not think that the toilets in the cars are still Soviet and at the stations are closed, and the cars are heated with coal. About the cost of tickets is also a separate issue and what is offered for this money - shame and disgrace.
            1. Raptor75
              Raptor75 14 January 2014 17: 29
              +5
              I’ll add about the sore point - these at Russian Railways refuse to order new passenger cars from us, at the TVZ.
            2. alone
              alone 14 January 2014 21: 58
              +1
              Quote: vyatom
              It would be better to raise the salaries of conductors and drivers, otherwise people work for a penny.


              And how to build such villas, if the drivers raise their salaries?)))
      4. aviator65
        aviator65 14 January 2014 14: 40
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        rather than his house, the size of a train station

        Position obliges. lol
      5. Botanologist
        Botanologist 14 January 2014 22: 05
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        How to explain let the Minister of Russian Railways of the Russian Federation say that 120 sq. m. housing


        Unhappy person (without any irony). He doesn’t even see from the outside that his life is a mixture of life at the station and on the lawn in the city park. It seems that the psyche is already ... without remission.
        1. Genur
          Genur 15 January 2014 00: 25
          0
          Elementary MANIA OF GREATNESS ... For such modesty is a relic.
      6. Sibiriya
        Sibiriya 15 January 2014 06: 46
        +1
        I absolutely agree a lot can be seen in the film real Putin - a lot of vile
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 January 2014 07: 10
          -1
          Quote: Siberia
          much can be seen in the film real Putin - a lot of vile

          The film was shot with the money of the State Department, well, enjoy the viewing.
          1. Sibiriya
            Sibiriya 15 January 2014 09: 01
            +1
            Yes, and the Yakunin’s mansion is also the State Department? or on our shishi? It is written a lot of vile and the truth is unfortunately there too
  • Old Cynic
    Old Cynic 14 January 2014 12: 10
    +4
    In 2009, Rossiya TV conducted a three-month survey of more than 50 million Russians to find out who, in their opinion, are the greatest Russians of all time. Prince Alexander Nevsky ...

    So much has been written about this poll ... It is not for nothing that Stalin was defiantly excluded from the poll "Name of Victory" currently under way. But Makhno, Pugachev, Razin and the rest, and the rest, and the rest are included ...
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    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 January 2014 14: 40
      0
      Quote: Old Cynic
      So much has been written about this poll ... It is not for nothing that Stalin was defiantly excluded from the current poll "Name of Victory". But Makhno, Pugachev, Razin and the rest, and the rest, and the rest are included

      They wrote a lot about the poll, and even wrote the truth that Stalin was in the lead with a huge margin from the dubious "holy" Prince Alexander Nevsky, and even more from the hangman Stolypin, whom the liberals pulled out of the dustbin of history and licked him to shine.
      And then the survey results were falsified.
  • Syrdon
    Syrdon 14 January 2014 12: 13
    +9
    there are two people who needed to be put against the wall, alas, one of them has already died, but the other is still alive and ask him for everything that he has done, it is absolutely necessary, because it is on his hands that the blood of people who died in numerous ethnic massacres of the end 80s and those who died in the 90s from starvation, under bandit bullets and the collapse of life landmarks. And yet, if all these external forces had not interfered with the USSR since the 20s, we would have lived in a strong, economically powerful country for a long time without hunger, unemployment, ethnic independence, terrorism, and voluntary slaves and other entourage of capitalism.
  • waisson
    waisson 14 January 2014 12: 14
    +3
    The USSR was therefore afraid and now they have ruined China’s thorn in the ass
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 14 January 2014 12: 53
      +2
      It turns out as in a saying:
      "The beak got stuck, the tail got stuck, the tail got the beak got stuck ..."
      The USSR collapsed, calmed down, China almost rose,
      take it to fill up, Russia will gather strength!
      But Russia is going to get up from its knees and get up !!!
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 January 2014 12: 21
    +3
    It expresses well and the main thing is somewhere even correct! What have we gained and what have we lost? We have lost the main core that united the entire Soviet people - the humane ideology (man to man is a friend, comrade and brother). And what did we get in return - the ideology of cannibalistic capitalism wolf) Where is our best education, where is our free health care, we are deprived of even the most important of human rights - the right to life! Myths are good for those who do not have "friendship with brains", even the Canadian Stephen Govans understood this perfectly, and our "homegrown "democratizers either sold everyone and everything or just idiots who do not know what they are doing. I really want this article to make those who continue to ruin Russia to think about it!
  • Reindeer herder
    Reindeer herder 14 January 2014 12: 25
    -4
    Political chatter.
  • Lk17619
    Lk17619 14 January 2014 12: 27
    +2
    I want to go back to the USSR, for **** this is already a democracy with capitalism. I want the dictatorship of the proletariat and socialism (albeit with an incomprehensible face repeat ).
    1. Criceta
      Criceta 14 January 2014 13: 50
      -9
      Thank God, such a minority as you ... With an incomprehensible face ...
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 January 2014 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: Lk17619
      for **** this is already democracy
      Here is her darling just netuti

      I want the dictatorship of the proletariat and socialism
      drinks
  • leks
    leks 14 January 2014 12: 32
    +2
    I don’t understand some moments of the collapse of the USSR,70% voted to preserve the USSR, This is a huge number of people, as then allowed to withdraw into capitalism? It’s stupid to blame humpback and ebn that only they did all this, a few people could not organize all this, well, let’s say this optionand where then was the KGB, SVR, GRU, where was the Army.If Yazov Dmitry Timofeevich himself admitted in an interview that many documents with the United States were signed without the consent of the USSR Ministry of Defense, that they did not even consult with him,WHERE WERE THOSE WHO DID NOT WANT TO LEAVE FROM SOCIAL SYSTEM FROM CCCR, I think many of the tops understood what hunchback was doing, but everyone wanted to break big money, divide a pie called the USSR.
    1. aviator65
      aviator65 14 January 2014 15: 07
      0
      Of course, a few people couldn't do it. It is not for nothing that the United States coined a medal "for victory in the Cold War" and awarded it to a bunch of its "fighters of the invisible front." As for those who resisted, I advise you to familiarize yourself with the history of the Emergency Committee. It was, maybe, try number one. And also to re-read the chronicles of the "cold autumn" of 1993. This was already an attempt number two. The result is known.
      Quote: leks
      many of the tops understood what hunchback was doing, but everyone wanted to hit big money, divide a pie called the USSR.

      And here - to the point. Selfish interests prevailed. And why? On the one hand, ideological education was formalized, and on the other, fear was simply lost. Like it or not, the idea, it is - faith, it is an internal spiritual core. And without a rod you can break anyone. So many did not resist.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 14 January 2014 16: 35
        +1
        Quote: aviator65
        It is not for nothing that the United States coined a medal "for victory in the Cold War" and awarded it to a bunch of its "fighters of the invisible front."

        This crap has already hesitated - did you try to watch the bling statute?
        1. aviator65
          aviator65 14 January 2014 16: 48
          0
          Not in the statute, but in the essence of this action. Even the Americans themselves do not dispute the fact that the CIA was involved in the collapse of the Union.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 14 January 2014 17: 46
            +1
            Quote: aviator65
            Even the Americans themselves do not dispute the fact that the CIA was involved in the collapse of the Union.
            They’d dispute it - it’s such a PR laughing
            The states helped to break socialism (the collapse of the Union is a consequence) and to establish the work of the economic system on new principles (contrary to the Constitution), for which they got their gesheft - no more.

            Quote: aviator65
            Not in the statute, but in the essence of this action
            Yeah - not in the statute laughing
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 January 2014 15: 09
      +1
      Quote: leks
      how then did they leave for capitalism?
      Legally, there is no capitalism in the Russian Federation, and most of its elements that we are observing directly contradict the current Constitution - in general, the question is about under-guarantee, those who support it and who silently agree with the current policy.

      and where then was the KGB, SVR, GRU, where was the Army
      The highest ranks - along with the labeled and EBN, ordinary - as always obeyed.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 14 January 2014 16: 42
        0
        Quote: Lk17619
        ... Want dictatorship of the proletariat and socialism ...

        Bah ... Yes, your house is a prison. There is dictatorship there and socialism - a robe, a bathhouse, rations, etc. The benefits are equal to everyone ... They will feed and drink, and put them to bed on time, and in the morning not the cock crowed, but the foreman will raise HOW a person ... and if that not so, so everyone knows that the master is to blame for everything, he, like Christ, must hold the answer for everyone ... laughing

        What dictatorship of the proletariat in the USSR are you talking about? Could at least one labor collective (proletariat) remove the negligent director or chairman of the collective farm? NOT! There was a dictatorship of the party and there was a party nomenclature, basically consisting of the same whose ancestors rule and sow the day! Not a single question, without party approval, was resolved!

        In the 17 year, Jews seized power in Russia - they are still there! All other peoples in Russia are just a labor resource for profit.

        The only bright spot in the coexistence of the USSR is the period of Stalin's rule! Everything else is a lie and hypocrisy.

        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 14 January 2014 17: 38
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          What dictatorship of the proletariat in the USSR are you talking about? Could at least one labor collective (proletariat) remove the negligent director or chairman of the collective farm? NOT! There was a dictatorship of the party and there was a party nomenclature, basically consisting of the same whose ancestors rule and sow the day! Not a single question, without party approval, was resolved!

          And now at least in some small company, not to mention the companies and the more so large factories, you can remove the leadership of the desire of the team ?! laughing
          Then it was possible to go around the courts at least, could not return to their place immediately or at all, but could spoil the nerves, BUT NOW NOW - NO REMOVE THE DIRECTOR NOR BACK!
          Now the manual can only be removed in a cinematic way and no other way!
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 14 January 2014 12: 36
    0
    WAS POWER !!!!!! And if we were afraid of US, then it was respected, so you need to reason!
  • Rebus
    Rebus 14 January 2014 12: 38
    +1
    They are fooling themselves - the USSR has not left, only hid for a while ...

    In general, people tend to mythologize what they are afraid of, even if fear is unfounded.
  • Leader
    Leader 14 January 2014 12: 39
    0
    Long live the socialist revolution!
    Bourgeois, answer for the looting of the country! The oligarchs are generally outlawed; upon detection - destroy!
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 January 2014 12: 45
      +5
      Quote: Leader
      Long live the socialist revolution!
      Bourgeois, answer for the looting of the country! The oligarchs are generally outlawed; upon detection - destroy!

      Belarusian You are our "hedgehog", our people over the past century have already "washed themselves with blood" that you will not even wish your enemies, as it is necessary otherwise, without revolutions ... better in an evolutionary way ...
  • kmike
    kmike 14 January 2014 12: 40
    +1
    I liked the article, but I do not agree that the next transition from capitalism to socialism will be the same as the first one. I think it will be much calmer, unless, of course, "friends of Russia" like "friends of Syria" help.
    1. family tree
      family tree 14 January 2014 19: 52
      +1
      Quote: kmike
      I think it will be much calmer, if, of course, "friends of Russia" like "friends of Syria" do not help.

      It won't be calmer. The space is very large and it is practically impossible to prepare for the simultaneous seizure of power throughout the entire territory, therefore they will have time to come to their senses and begin to resist. The country is not mono-national, hence the separatists are also becoming more active, here is one more power for you. The country is multi-confessional, and aggravation will also come. Well, the "friends" will undoubtedly help, right up to the introduction of a "peacekeeping" contingent in some regions and "humanitarian dot-carpet" air strikes in other regions. So much for your blood. Further, most likely the division into sectors and the formation of several "democratic republics" under the protectorate of "advanced Western democracies" in the position of colonies. Finita. what Even I do not see a way out. request
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 January 2014 12: 50
    +1
    Truly, what we have, we do not store, having lost, weeping! Yes, they slipped imperceptibly through the best years in the life of the people and the country! We lived without thinking about the problems in the future: honestly worked, the state will provide you with a decent old age and the youth had a prospect for the future. And now ... Yes, the grandchildren of our Bolshevik leaders (such as Gaidar and others) plunged us into the current "trash heap"! -that's your trouble for the Russian people!
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 14 January 2014 12: 54
    +3
    The article is a plus, but how it got it - I'm not RUSSIAN, I am a CITIZEN of RUSSIA! The Russians are all in the Kremlin and I saw them in one specific place.
  • Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 14 January 2014 13: 08
    0
    To the question “How do you feel about the Great French Revolution?” Deng Xiaoping answered that too little time had passed - only 200 years, and it was too early to give any evaluative characteristics.
    The same can be said in relation to the USSR, history will put everything in its place and everyone will be rewarded according to their "merit" years later ...
  • rugor
    rugor 14 January 2014 13: 10
    0
    Give the GDP another ten years and the USSR will shine within its former borders and former grandeur.
    1. leks
      leks 14 January 2014 13: 29
      +2
      Quote: rugor
      Give the GDP another ten years and the USSR will shine within its former borders and former grandeur.

      I doubt that something will change in the political and economic structure in Russia, since the entire political and oligarchic elite of the country is happy with everything, you think that they took it and gave the nod to the return of socialism, they will not share power and money , the only way to change something is to make society in Russia united, then we will begin to dictate our conditions of power, and not to impose it on us.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 January 2014 15: 16
      -3
      Quote: rugor
      Give the GDP another ten years and the USSR will shine within its former borders and former grandeur.

      I mean - he will get everyone to such an extent that even the most stubborn Zaputinists will understand what's what? smile
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 18: 45
        0
        Quote: Yarosvet
        I mean - he will get everyone to such an extent that even the most stubborn Zaputinists will understand what's what?


        Call dispossession of entrepreneurs, the assassination of the imperial family and the execution of thousands of white officers - true partiots of Russia- the closure of the lake cooperative? Isn't this blasphemy?

        And what happened in the end? Closure of the Lake Cooperative, take two?
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 14 January 2014 20: 54
          0
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          Call dispossession of entrepreneurs, the assassination of the royal family and the execution of thousands of white officers - true partyiots of Russia- the closure of the lake cooperative? Isn't this blasphemy?
          Spare me from giving you lectures on the history that you probably know from manuals on preparing for the exam and essays by rezuns / Solzhenitsyn / brewers (a cool clause, by the way, turned out right by Freud - highlighted in red laughing)

          And what happened in the end? Closure of the Lake Cooperative, take two?
          A second close ahead.
          Why are you so worried? Do you have a share there?
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 15 January 2014 04: 09
            -1
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Spare me from giving you lectures on the history that you probably know from the textbooks for preparing for the Unified State Examination and the compositions of rezuns / Solzhenitsyn / Brewers


            Oh yeah! They didn’t shoot the tsar and didn’t take the factory factories with factories, and the white officers themselves decided to water the Crimea’s land with their own blood ... - but in fact, there was peace, friendship and chewing gum!
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 15 January 2014 14: 33
              0
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              fakbriki with factories did not take
              And who built them and on what conditions? And who worked for them?

              and the white officers themselves decided to water the Crimea’s land with their own blood
              These are the ones that got together with the Entente and tried to saw the country? laughing
              And how many former tsarist officers did you remind me of the land of Crimea with the blood of white scum?
    3. Criceta
      Criceta 14 January 2014 20: 43
      -1
      Quote: rugor
      Give GDP another decade

      And in GDP over the past ten years, Botex from the ears does not bury? It’s a pity to give him a year. And you are a dozen ...
      I think for another ten years of his reign and I will not live in St. Petersburg - the subject of the Russian Federation, but in Ingermanlandia - an independent state. Although, maybe this is not the worst option ...
    4. Normal
      Normal 14 January 2014 22: 30
      0
      Quote: rugor
      Give GDP another decade

      He has just 10 years of presidency ahead. Then another castling with DAM and another 12 years.
      Quote: rugor
      .... the USSR will shine ...

      With GDP? ... and after 22 years it will not shine. Rather, the imperial crown will shine over Putin's head, not the USSR.
  • sxn278619
    sxn278619 14 January 2014 13: 22
    0
    In the USSR there was the best weapon in the world and the worst consumer goods in the world. The guns ate butter.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 14 January 2014 13: 42
      +3
      Quote: sxn278619
      In the USSR there was the best weapon in the world and the worst consumer goods in the world. The guns ate butter.

      Consumer goods were far from the worst - they just did not pay due attention to it, or rather almost did not pay at all. This was one of the reasons for the victory of "democracy", not the most important, but still. If it were not for the artificially created food shortage, the democrats would have been stoned. and so the people were shown a simple solution to all the problems and he was "led".
      Returning to the issue of quality - the Horizon TV died the death of the brave in the country, after lightning hit the antenna, it was 25 years old and it continued to work, it was dropped from the stand, two picture tube mounts were torn off and it hung in the case (the case itself cracked in the corner ), but continued to work.
      Survived 7 or 8 of his Japanese-Korean-Chinese colleagues.
      Again, when buying - you could pay 15-25 rubles, take the same, but with the remote control - (85th year) - so no one really knew - why is it needed - because you can switch it like that ....
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 14 January 2014 14: 04
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        Again, when buying - you could pay 15-25 rubles, take the same, but with the remote control - (85th year) - so no one really knew - why is it needed - because you can switch it like that ....

        Best comment of the week! laughing Include Oleg in your weekly results! fellow
        Probably did not buy with the remote control because there was no advertising and heaps of vulgar channels. As it was frustrating then that we saw little sausages from meat and there was absolutely no variety of sausages made from chemicals and GMOs and different fillers of fillers, oh now this would be a limited choice! crying
        Yes, regarding the horizon, his brother had an electron 714 bought from his parents about 79, about 12 years ago they sold it to their neighbors by updating it to an inexpensive one, which died safely within a year, and this one is possible now in working condition, only he periodically ate the multipliers.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 14 January 2014 14: 32
          0
          Quote: Ivan.
          Yes, regarding the horizon, the parents had his brother electron 714 bought in about 79,

          I still have the parental rarity "Record-6" of 1969, bought by them in 1970.
    2. Ladoga
      Ladoga 14 January 2014 23: 46
      +1
      About Shirportreb. I had one old acquaintance, in the year about 86-87 he said that he bought a washing machine, Volzhanka, for a long time. It broke somehow, it seems the time has come, he took it for repair, and there, when they began to repair it, they found a piece of paper yellowed in it, in which it was written with a simple pencil: ,, in vain I bought it will break anyway ,,. And the machine worked for 25 years ...
  • smoliackow
    smoliackow 14 January 2014 13: 26
    0
    If anything is left from the USSR, then this is a plan, social, science and education that has been going on in general since pre-revolutionary times, but the ideology of Marxism of communism is essentially a globalist utopia, which is unacceptable to Russia, since Russia with its 1000 summer history had a Christian country, and even the 74 summer forced planting of communism could not do anything about it, but judging by the article for some this still does not work ..
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    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 January 2014 14: 21
      0
      Quote: smoliackow
      If anything is left from the USSR, then this is a plan, social, science and education that has been going on in general since pre-revolutionary times, but the ideology of Marxism of communism is essentially a globalist utopia, which is unacceptable to Russia, since Russia with its 1000 summer history had a Christian country, and even the 74 summer forced planting of communism could not do anything about it, but judging by the article for some this still does not work ..

      I am sure you never read Marx or Lenin, otherwise you would not have spoken about any ideology of Marxism-communism.
      The whole ideology of Marxism in the USSR is reduced to the elimination of human exploitation by man, the socialization of the main (and not at all total) instruments of labor and means of production, and the distribution of manufactured goods and means, through public funds for labor. In the days of Stalin, the USSR had hundreds of thousands of private enterprises, shoe, sewing, repair, procurement, etc. partnerships liquidated under Khrushchev.
      Religion by Marxism and Leninism is not regulated in any way, whether you want to believe it or not, there were no prohibitions, as well as anti-religious propaganda.
      Another thing priests, as a commercial organization, the former largest exploiter and landowner, were expropriated, like all exploiters.
      Believers under socialism became an order of magnitude smaller and not at all due to communist ideology, but because of the loss of priests by the powerful leverage of power that passed to the registry offices. Before the revolution, unbaptized children did not receive metrics, marriages without a wedding in the church were invalid, and it was forbidden to bury in cemeteries without a funeral service.
      Now in Russia there are no more than 3% of believers who occasionally attend churches no more than 10%, celebrating Christmas and Easter almost 100%. So, even under Soviet rule, almost everyone noted
      1. smoliackow
        smoliackow 14 January 2014 15: 04
        -1
        You do not know the Orthodox faith, and as an atheist you praise what you like, and I write as a believer, what you write is designed for those who still live in the USSR and still read and watch Zyuganov alone.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 14 January 2014 17: 04
          +1
          Quote: smoliackow
          You do not know the Orthodox faith, and as an atheist you praise what you like, and I write as a believer, what you write is designed for those who still live in the USSR and still read and watch Zyuganov alone.

          Do not la la. I am an Orthodox atheist and I know the Orthodox faith better than many believers, most of whom have never held the Bible or the Gospel in their hands.
          I still read the gospel and the hymnal in the Church Slavonic edition of 1811 of the year, left from my grandmother, in 1961, my mother was a believer.
          I am writing what is actually what does Zyuganov have to do with it? There are regulatory documents for the design of religious buildings based on real statistics.
          4.4 The capacity of temples is determined by calculation based on the number and demographic composition of the population served in accordance with the methodology described in Appendix D. The estimated capacity of urban parish churches is given in table 2.



          Table 2




          Estimated population, thousand people 60 120 200

          The capacity of the temple, people 450 900 1500

          Note. The capacity indicator corresponds to temple attendance on holidays (for regions with a predominantly Orthodox population).
          JV 31-103-99 CONCEPT OF RULES FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION
          BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES AND COMPLEXES OF ORTHODOX CHURCHES

          http://www.stroyoffis.ru/sp_svodi_pravi/sp__31_103_99/sp__31_103_99.php
        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 14 January 2014 17: 04
          0
          Quote: smoliackow
          You do not know the Orthodox faith, and as an atheist you praise what you like, and I write as a believer, what you write is designed for those who still live in the USSR and still read and watch Zyuganov alone.

          Do not la la. I am an Orthodox atheist and I know the Orthodox faith better than many believers, most of whom have never held the Bible or the Gospel in their hands.
          I still read the gospel and the hymnal in the Church Slavonic edition of 1811 of the year, left from my grandmother, in 1961, my mother was a believer.
          I am writing what is actually what does Zyuganov have to do with it? There are regulatory documents for the design of religious buildings based on real statistics.
          4.4 The capacity of temples is determined by calculation based on the number and demographic composition of the population served in accordance with the methodology described in Appendix D. The estimated capacity of urban parish churches is given in table 2.
          Table 2
          Estimated population, thousand people 60 - 120 - 200
          The capacity of the temple, people ------- --------- 450 - 900 - 1500
          Note. The capacity indicator corresponds to temple attendance on holidays (for regions with a predominantly Orthodox population).
          JV 31-103-99 CONCEPT OF RULES FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION
          BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES AND COMPLEXES OF ORTHODOX CHURCHES

          http://www.stroyoffis.ru/sp_svodi_pravi/sp__31_103_99/sp__31_103_99.php
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 January 2014 15: 21
      +3
      Quote: smoliackow
      but the ideology of Marxism of communism is essentially a globalist utopia, which is unacceptable to Russia, since Russia, with its 1000-year history, was a Christian country

      That is, Christianity and social justice are incompatible things?
      This recognition is worth a lot smile
      1. smoliackow
        smoliackow 14 January 2014 15: 38
        -3
        The idea of ​​social justice has existed in the Church for more than 2000 thousand years, and not in words but in deeds, but what you offer is a substitution and profanation of social services. justice.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 14 January 2014 16: 40
          0
          Quote: smoliackow
          The idea of ​​social justice has existed in the Church for more than 2000 thousand years.

          Do what you like - to say goodbye to everything except blasphemy against the holy spirit, to spit that the strong weak eats - all power from God ...

          Yes - "fair" ...
  • morpogr
    morpogr 14 January 2014 13: 27
    +7
    I always bring comparisons of the times of the USSR and present life to my children and comparisons are always in favor of the USSR. I hope that the construction of the CU and EurAsEC will revive the Great Country and our children will live in the new USSR without old flaws and all other countries will envy us.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 14 January 2014 14: 03
    +4
    Anti-Soviet propaganda was launched after the death of Stalin by the bald corn-grower Khrushchev:
    1. Instead of squealing about "catch up and overtake", which is in itself propaganda of the superiority of capitalism, it was necessary to increase the range and quality of consumer goods.
    2. Soviet factories always produced food, clothes and shoes of the highest quality, but from Khrushchev, all the best became export goods, for foreign countries. Instead of extending high demands to all goods, which was entirely possible, the quality of goods for the domestic market was intentionally reduced.
    3. Shops "Berezka", hotels "Intourist", etc. were inaccessible to Soviet citizens, as to people of the second grade.
    4. Going abroad, even to socialist countries, was deliberately difficult and limited, without explaining the true reasons, which gave rise to legends about a "paradise abroad" from where it is impossible to return, even among mentally normal people.
    The list goes on.
    Very few people are able to objectively analyze and compare two systems, especially with mediocre policies regarding the supply of the population during the time of Khrushchev-Brezhnev. The country was rich, but its wealth was spent without taking into account the needs of the people and was extremely unfair.
    The Baltic States, Ukraine, Belarus and the Caucasus received more money and goods than Russia and Central Asia. This is also an incontrovertible fact.
    1. Criceta
      Criceta 14 January 2014 14: 59
      -5
      Quote: Corsair5912
      Soviet factories always produced food, clothing and shoes of the highest quality.

      Did you live in the USSR? What quality of consumer goods was discussed there ????
      Quote: Corsair5912
      the quality of goods for the domestic market was intentionally reduced

      Where does this information come from? Speculation?

      Have you forgotten about the total deficit of everything and everything?
      Quote: Corsair5912
      it was necessary to increase the assortment and quality of consumer goods.

      But they didn’t guess. laughing By the way, it was during the time of Khrushchev that the state at least somehow worried about satisfying the demand of the population with consumer goods. But it failed either under Khrushchev or under Brezhnev. Yes, and the collapse of the union to a large extent contributed to the fatigue of the population from a constant shortage of essential goods. After all, I hope no one forgot that it was very difficult to buy, even, toilet paper ...
      1. Syrdon
        Syrdon 14 January 2014 15: 18
        +2
        Deficiency was created artificially and it began when collective farmers were issued passports. collective farmers, and especially from the south, sold their products through markets or raw materials and received quite large sums that they wanted to convert into some material wealth, so then the cunning shop directors began to hold on to hot products for their subsequent sale at an inflated price, because artificially created demand.
        1. Criceta
          Criceta 14 January 2014 17: 49
          0
          What is the artificiality of the deficit in your scheme?
          1. Suppose there is a director of a shoe store Pupkin, who has ten pairs of galoshes, nine proletarians of a whistle factory, and five scoundrel-peasants who have enriched themselves in the sale of beets, that is with lava. Following your logic, Director Pupkin holds five pairs of galoshes for peasants, sells them at a speculative price, and the remaining five partially satisfy the demand of the proletarians. But four proletarians without galoshes. And they crave them ... I.e. we have a deficit of four pairs of galoshes.
          2. Pupkin is not a huckster and puts all ten pairs of galoshes on the counter, where they are bought by nine workers of the whistle factory when they go home from work ... for rain, wet and all that. Only one pair remains. But here come the peasants, in the amount of five, who did not rummage the beets, but simply handed them over to the state, received a salary (small) and took an electric train to the city for galoshes, because autumn was ravish and raining all the time. But their train arrives later than the end of the shift of the proletarians and galoshes, there are only one left, and even then the 45th size. But the largest peasant also buys them, and the remaining four go back to their native penates without shoes ... And as a result, there is a shortage of four pairs of galoshes.
          So actually, following your logic, what is the fault of the director of the store Pupkin, in the presence of a deficit of four pairs of galoshes ???
          Maybe it's not his fault in the very fact of the deficit? Maybe the fault of the USSR is that, with its planned economy, it was not able to count that there were fourteen consumers, and only ten planned galoshes? Or maybe they would be happy to do more than ten, but there was not enough capacity in "the country with the most developed economy"? Or maybe they just printed too much money that they could not provide them with goods? Or not even published, but gave the people the opportunity to earn money without having an industry producing consumer goods. Peasants won't buy tanks and planes with their own money ...
          In short, do not say anything, but another reason for the shortage emerges - the lack of sufficient capacity in the USSR to provide the population with consumer goods. And the situation with the peasants described in the previous post arose not in the 50-60s, but in the 70s, when heavy engineering enterprises were allowed to allow extra-planned profits to increase wages for workers. But this did not happen in light industry. This, by the way, is from the university course in the economy of a bike ...
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          2. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 14 January 2014 18: 31
            +2
            Quote: Сriceta
            In short, don’t tell, but another reason for the shortage emerges - the lack of sufficient capacity in the USSR to provide the population with consumer goods

            Your reasoning and conclusions have nothing to do with reality. Shoes, clothes, household goods in the 60-70-80-ies in the USSR were abundant, shops and warehouses were full, problems were with the assortment.
            Mass factory production was focused on running sizes, styles, fashion and colors, and if you want something special, or if your size is not running, then there was a problem and a shortage.
            I preferred to sew clothes, suits, trousers and coats in the state, then it was quite affordable, the tailors did not make couturiers, fabrics were abundant and prices were reasonable. For example, in 1970, trousers cost me 12 rubles, 3 for material, 6 for sewing, and 3 in the clutches of a master for urgency. The same price was, if you buy ready-made in the store.
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 January 2014 18: 39
              -4
              Quote: Corsair5912
              Your reasoning and conclusions have nothing to do with reality. Shoes, clothes, household goods in the 60-70-80-ies in the USSR were abundant, shops and warehouses were full, problems were with the assortment

              Well, yes, the warehouses were inundated because nobody wanted to wear these galoshes. In general. What are you trying to prove? Have we lived in different countries? We can talk about the advantages of the USSR in schools, universities, attitudes towards children, pioneer camps, trade union health resorts, and security. but one does not have to prove that black (shortage of goods and products) is white. As the housing issue is the same
              Quote: Corsair5912
              I preferred to sew clothes, suits, trousers and coats in the atelier, then it was quite affordable, tailors did not make couturiers, fabrics were abundant and prices were reasonable.

              There was no abundance of fabrics, nor were prices of tailoring - it was not cheap
              Quote: Corsair5912
              For example, in 1970, trousers cost me 12 rubles, 3 for material, 6 for sewing, and 3 in the clutches of a master for urgency. The same price was, if you buy ready-made in the store.

              I envy your memory, what else have you forgotten?
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              2. Corsair5912
                Corsair5912 14 January 2014 19: 31
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Well, yes, the warehouses were inundated because nobody wanted to wear these galoshes. In general. What are you trying to prove? Have we lived in different countries? We can talk about the advantages of the USSR in schools, universities, attitudes towards children, pioneer camps, trade union health resorts, and security. but one does not have to prove that black (shortage of goods and products) is white. As the housing issue is the same

                These galoshes have been given to you.
                There was an abundance of leather shoes in the stores who needed your galoshes.
                I don’t know what rubbish dump you lived in, that you had a shortage in everything, in the Kirov region, in the Urals, in Tyumen, in Kazakhstan, where I lived, there was never any shortage of clothes and shoes. There was no import, but quite decent clothes and shoes were sewed by their local factories.
                And the collective farm markets were never empty, there was everything that was needed for normal nutrition, and in the villages everyone had their own plots and kept cows, sheep, poultry and pigs.
                The housing issue was relevant for 10-15% of the population who were passively sitting in city lines at the factories and construction sites of the Urals and Siberia gave apartments for 5 years.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 14 January 2014 19: 44
                  -6
                  Quote: Corsair5912
                  in the Kirov region, in the Urals, in Tyumen, in Kazakhstan, where I lived, there was never a shortage of clothes and shoes. There was no import, but quite decent clothes and shoes were sewed by their local factories.

                  For some, the mare and the bride.


                  Quote: Corsair5912
                  And the collective farm markets were never empty, there was everything that was needed for normal nutrition, and in the villages everyone had their own plots and kept cows, sheep, poultry and pigs.

                  There remained only such trifles as money (for purchase on the 0 and 6 markets in the 9 communal communal area if you live in the city) to start a pig. a cow and goats. And plowing (after work) in household plots and keeping cows with pigs and all as a hobby, so to speak. because in the shops (everything was your gender) and buying all this was no problem laughing

                  Quote: Corsair5912
                  The housing issue was relevant for 10-15% of the population who were passively sitting in city lines at the factories and construction sites of the Urals and Siberia gave apartments for 5 years.

                  I understand now. why you do not have one eye on the avatar. You are probably blind in life.
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      3. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 14 January 2014 17: 43
        +4
        Quote: Сriceta
        Did you live in the USSR? What quality of consumer goods was discussed there ????
        Where does this information come from? Speculation?
        Have you forgotten about the total deficit of everything and everything?
        But they didn’t guess. laughing By the way, it was during the time of Khrushchev that the state at least somehow worried about satisfying the demand of the population with consumer goods.

        I lived 40 years in the USSR and I remember very well strong reliable shoes made of genuine leather, not shedding socks made of linen, cotton, wool, natural milk, meat, poultry, vegetables, etc. no harmful chemical impurities.
        Before perestroika, there was no deficit, either total or local.
        Well, except that in the late 70s, synthetic fur coats, carpets, crystal, jeans and other "luxury" were in short supply. People were crazy about black caviar, sturgeon, boiled pork, hard smoked sausage, imported cigarettes and other g ... delicacies.
        It was under Khrushchev that private artels, workshops, ateliers, partnerships that produced about 40% of consumer goods were liquidated, the assortment was reduced and their quality decreased under the slogan: "We will catch up and overtake the capitalist countries!" "Let's build communism in 3 seven years!" In 1960, in every club, in every school, these slogans hung.
        1. Sour
          Sour 14 January 2014 18: 01
          -9
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Before perestroika, there was no deficit, either total or local.

          Stop lying. There was a shortage of everything and everywhere. You have not lived in the USSR for a single day. This is obvious to everyone, not only to me. In the 70s it was impossible to buy anything good, only "get it". Stop lying and overstating your age. You are not "born in the USSR", you are an impostor. Who really remembers those times will not lie about the "quality" of soviet consumer goods, because this consumer goods had a place in the landfill.
          Stop lying. Otherwise, you will regret before death. A liar and a scoundrel dies hard and painfully, a sure sign.
          Stop giving away your dad's lies for his biography, Mr. Juvenile Troll.
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 14 January 2014 18: 14
            +4
            Quote: Sour
            There was a shortage of everything and everywhere. You have not lived in the USSR for a single day. This is obvious to everyone, not only to me. In the 70s it was impossible to buy anything good, only "get it". Stop lying and overstating your age. You are not "born in the USSR", you are an impostor. Who really remembers those times will not lie about the "quality" of soviet consumer goods, because this consumer goods had a place in the landfill.

            Without hysteria, otherwise the konfrashka will be enough and the Israeli owners will not pay for chernukha.
            You apparently lived in a fenced garbage dump, where everything was in short supply, there were few sausages and no vodka among the scraps.
            1. Sour
              Sour 14 January 2014 18: 32
              -9
              Ease your soul, mister juvenile brat. Stop lying about the soviet "paradise" that you've obviously heard from Mom and Dad.
              They would try to lie here to their peers. They would be immediately put in place as garbage nonsense. But your snotty stupid son can hang any noodles on his ears, and he will swallow. Yes, and then stink on the network will be this noodle.
              Judging by the noisy avatar, you are an obvious bastard. Also tell us how the university was graduated in the USSR, you are a snotty liar. Those who received higher education at that time are at least friends with commas. With all the minuses of those times, then education was given normal, but you don’t smell like it. And shkolota Yeltsin bottling, like you, can be seen a mile away. Stop lying. Involuntarily you come to the conclusion that all leftists are pathological liars.
              1. Corsair5912
                Corsair5912 14 January 2014 18: 42
                +5
                Quote: Sour
                Ease your soul, mister juvenile brat. Stop lying about the soviet "paradise" you've obviously heard from your mom-dad

                Well, I spread kislatin, already disgusting.
                You are being taught a bad thing in Israel about the USSR’s scribble, all the time, out of envy of normal Soviet people, you break into a hysterical screech and turn to personalities.
                Expelled from Judotrolls, without a severance pay, if you are rude on the forums, and again you will return to the trash.
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              3. screw cutter
                screw cutter 14 January 2014 18: 57
                +5
                You will not deny that with a total deficit, so to speak, nevertheless, the refrigerators were full and in the winter no one froze at the stops in cold weather. And yet, we must not forget that the 1970 (let's say) year passed only 25 years after a monstrous the destruction of the war, and you're talking about jeans ...
                1. atalef
                  atalef 14 January 2014 19: 03
                  -5
                  Quote: screw cutter
                  You will not deny that with a so-called total deficit, nevertheless, the refrigerators were full

                  the refrigerators were not full, and if they were, then filling Biryusa and Morozko was not a big deal.

                  Quote: screw cutter
                  no one froze in the winter from frost

                  Freezing, drunks generally always freezing both at stops and under fences
                  Quote: screw cutter
                  And yet, do not forget that the 1970 (let's say) year, only 25 years have passed since the monstrous destruction of the war, and you're talking about jeans

                  Jeans are not happiness, but there is no need to blame the Second World War, Europe and Germany, including it, survived the same way (like all countries of the socialist camp), but everyone lived incomparably better.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 14 January 2014 18: 46
          -8
          Quote: Corsair5912
          I lived 40 years in the USSR and I remember very well strong reliable shoes made of genuine leather, not shedding socks made of linen, cotton, wool, natural milk, meat, poultry, vegetables, etc. no harmful chemical impurities

          Remembering and seeing this on free sale are two different things.
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Before perestroika, there was no deficit, neither total nor local

          Other than a liar, you cannot be called anyone else for that.
          Quote: Corsair5912
          The people went crazy for black caviar, sturgeon, boiled pork, smoked sausage, imported cigarettes and other g ... delicacies.

          1977 year, Kalinin region, Mr. Nelidovo. In stores except gray pasta. margarine, canned seaweed and vodka - there was nothing. 2 milk once a week, sprats such as sprats were scattered right away, and I never saw oils and sausages (ordinary boiled) during 3 years of life in Nelidovo. Everything is from Moscow (a night by train), so when I moved to St. Petersburg and saw butter and sausage in a store for sale (I was 11 years old), I did not even believe it. what happens. More or less lived only the regional centers - in all other places from the district and below - bare shelves
          Quote: Corsair5912
          It was under Khrushchev that private artels, workshops, ateliers, partnerships that produced about 40% of consumer goods were liquidated, the assortment was reduced and their quality decreased under the slogan: "We will catch up and overtake the capitalist countries!" "Let's build communism in 3 seven years!" In 1960, in every club, in every school, these slogans hung.

          After the removal of Khrushchov, Brezhnev was 25 years old to fix it all - not a short time. So how is it ? Where is the abundance? It was ?
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          2. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 14 January 2014 19: 12
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            1977 year, Kalinin region, Mr. Nelidovo. In stores except gray pasta. margarine, canned seaweed and vodka - there was nothing. 2 milk once a week, sprats such as sprats were scattered right away, and I never saw oils and sausages (ordinary boiled) during 3 years of life in Nelidovo. Everything is from Moscow (a night by train), so when I moved to St. Petersburg and saw butter and sausage in a store for sale (I was 11 years old), I did not even believe it. what happens. More or less lived only the regional centers - in all other places from the district and below - bare shelves

            Another sour from the Israeli garbage was granted.
            The Kalinin region is agricultural, there has never been a shortage of food products in the history of Russia. There peasants and collective farmers had a problem with the sale of meat, lard, milk, sour cream, vegetables, etc.
            Nehru was hanging around the shops of the Neklidovsky town hall; it was necessary to go to the collective farm market or to the shops of the ORS machine factory.
            In the 70 years I traveled around the USSR, I saw cities where there was nothing to lure a hungry dog ​​to the store, but there was everything on the market and in the factory shops.
            Such was the state trade, everything for its own, with overpayment and through the anus.
            I always bought meat on the market at 20-30 kg immediately, at a discount for bulk purchase, fruits and vegetables are also on the market.
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 January 2014 19: 51
              -6
              Quote: Corsair5912
              The Kalinin region is agricultural, there has never been a shortage of food products in the history of Russia.

              Like the Pskov, Novgorod and Vologda. - that's a storyteller

              Quote: Corsair5912
              There peasants and collective farmers had a problem with the sale of meat, lard, milk, sour cream, vegetables, etc.

              Well, from which booze is so buggy?

              Quote: Corsair5912
              In the 70 years I traveled around the USSR, I saw cities where there was nothing to lure a hungry dog ​​to the store, but there was everything on the market and in the factory shops.

              Hungry dog? No more than in two comments from here you assured. that there was no deficiency. and everything was in the stores. By the way - an expert on collective farm markets. How much was a kilogram of pork in the bazaar in 1975 + a year, or say a monthly piglet (for growing) and to compare the teacher’s plant.

              Quote: Corsair5912
              Such was the state trade, everything for its own, with overpayment and through the anus.

              Like your comments (do you write about the abundance and lack of 0 deficiency through the anus?

              Quote: Corsair5912
              I always bought meat on the market at 20-30 kg immediately, at a discount for bulk purchase, fruits and vegetables are also on the market

              20-30 kg - in bulk-- do not smoke at night and do not dream.
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              2. Corsair5912
                Corsair5912 14 January 2014 20: 37
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Well, from which booze is so buggy?

                Hungry dog? No more than in two comments from here you assured. that there was no deficiency. and everything was in the stores. By the way - an expert on collective farm markets. How much was a kilogram of pork in the bazaar in 1975 + a year, or say a monthly piglet (for growing) and to compare the teacher’s plant.

                20-30 kg - in bulk-- do not smoke at night and do not dream.

                Alexander, without hysteria, I am not a drinker and not a smoker, I do not have such addictions and never have been.
                All my life I worked with people in especially dangerous conditions, it was necessary to keep a brand.
                I talked about the shops of some towns, and not about the cities of all of Russia.
                Russia is not Israel, it is very big and very different.
                In 1975, pork in the markets of the Middle Urals cost 2-3 rubles / kg, and pigs for fattening cost, depending on weight, up to 20-30 rubles.
                And I bought so little meat because it was hard to drag, but I still had to stomp 20 minutes to the market on foot. There were no problems with storage, in winter we have severe frosts, the Urals are not Israel.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 14 January 2014 20: 57
                  -3
                  Quote: Corsair5912
                  Alexander, without hysteria, I am not a drinker and not a smoker, I don’t have such addictions and never had

                  You know how Stanislavsky --- I DO NOT BELIEVE

                  Quote: Corsair5912
                  I talked about the shops of some towns, and not about the cities of all of Russia.

                  Well, according to your comments, it’s somehow not visible that you are talking only about some cities.
                  You are somehow all about the USSR

                  Quote: Corsair5912
                  Russia is not Israel, it is very big and very different.

                  Despite . that in Israel I live 21 year. I lived more in Russia and the USSR.

                  Quote: Corsair5912
                  In 1975, pork in the markets of the Middle Urals cost 2-3 rubles / kg, and pigs for fattening cost, depending on weight, up to 20-30 rubles.

                  Notably. and where is the mention of the teachers (like my mom - 110 rate rub)

                  Quote: Corsair5912
                  And I bought so little meat because it was hard to drag, but still it was necessary to stomp 20 minutes to the market on foot

                  And that would take a ton?

                  Quote: Corsair5912
                  There were no problems with storage, in winter we have severe frosts, the Urals are not Israel.

                  And in Israel there is no need to store meat according to 30 kg. The store is always fresh. Why freeze?
                  1. dddym
                    dddym 14 January 2014 21: 53
                    +1
                    forgive the Jews ...

                    Boris Slutsky

                    Jews don’t sow bread
                    Jews in shops trade
                    Jews go bald before
                    Jews steal more.
                    Jews are dashing people,
                    They are bad soldiers:
                    Ivan is fighting in the trench
                    Abram trades in a rabcop.
                    I heard it from childhood
                    Soon I’ll get quite old
                    But all is nowhere to go
                    From a cry: "Jews, Jews!"
                    Not having ever traded
                    Not stealing even once
                    I carry in myself like an infection
                    Damn this race.
                    A bullet passed me
                    To say it is untrue:
                    “The Jews did not kill!
                    Everyone returned alive! ”
                  2. Corsair5912
                    Corsair5912 14 January 2014 22: 01
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    And in Israel there is no need to store meat according to 30 kg. The store is always fresh. Why freeze

                    Russia is not Israel; in private households, livestock are slaughtered with the onset of frost, so you need to make purchases on time while the meat is fresh and cheap.
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          3. dddym
            dddym 14 January 2014 19: 34
            +5
            It depends on what is considered abundance, the products were on sale, I don’t know if you lived in any other country?
            You say there was no sausage - I tell you firmly - there was a sausage. 1980 we consider and not Andropov’s motives. If you did not know where to buy sausage, it means either you did not work or you simply did not look for it. It was possible to buy sausage freely at factories, bases, and if it was completely free, it was always possible to buy normal sausage on the market, but more expensive but high-quality and for every taste. Now you buy soybeans at the price of 3-4 times more expensive than regular non-soybean then.
            Nelidovo what area? (you will excuse me, but you were either mistaken or you have never been to this city) Nelidovo is located in the Tver region and not in the Kalinin region, this is the Kalininsky district and not the region ... If you were young then what do you write about moving to Leningrad and compare abundance? Is that what a small child thinks where to see a sausage on sale? You are somehow strangely exposing your childhood ... Correcting 25 years would have been enough if not for the food crisis of 65 of the year. Which was the result of the policy of Mr. Khrushchev. Alas, 90% of our agricultural is not in the black earth - we have risky farming. And the virgin land that Khrushchev mastered so zealously brought a loss of such magnitude that the livestock number decreased by half - Brezhnev came to power in the wake of this crisis. The meat really became less at times. However, this is not Brezhnev’s policy, it’s the policy of Mr. Khrushchev. But no one was starving at that time - there were no homeless people in garbage cans, there were no street children. Do you want a better share? So why didn’t you buy sausages in the market? No, you preferred to go to Moscow - if only cheaper, and then resold to your neighbors and friends - tell me what’s wrong? And you took more than one sausage bar and a kilogram of 5-10, isn’t that so? And come on, buy some kilograms of sausage in the 5-10 store today - is it enough for you to pay for the apartment after that? Or sugar bag yes rice bag yes butter five kilograms - you simply are not able to buy all this today on the scale that an ordinary person could afford in the USSR. Pantries were usually bursting with potatoes, flour, pasta, and you say where abundance is ... And what about the all-Union ambassador and jam? Do you have any idea how large the economy should have been that it was possible to provide the population with these products without salt and sugar deficit - and you didn’t just cook two or three cans, but cooked for 2 years in advance - in almost every family there were 20-30 cans and some did much more . Can you allow today to make preparations for the winter on the same scale?
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 January 2014 20: 04
              -2
              Quote: dddym
              Nelidovo in the Tver region is located and not in the Kalinin, this is the Kalinin district and not the region.

              I lived in the city of Nelidovo, Kalinin Region (Nelidovo District Center). Then no one could think of Tver.

              Quote: dddym
              If you were young, what do you write about moving to Leningrad and comparing abundance? Is that what a small child thinks where to see a sausage on sale?

              \ I was 11 years old. I already understood something, and since Nelidovo it was a miracle to see sausage on free sale

              Quote: dddym
              You are somehow strangely setting out your childhood.

              This is one of the memories.
              Quote: dddym
              Fix 25 years would be enough if not for the food crisis 65 of the year. Which was the result of the policy of Mr. Khrushchev

              as well as because of a sudden winter, autumn and summer with spring.

              Quote: dddym
              But no one was starving at that time - there were no homeless people in garbage cans, there were no street children.

              Homeless people were 9 of course less) because they all sat for parasitism. and homeless children’s homes - or they weren’t the same. ? There were no boarding schools?

              Quote: dddym
              No, you preferred to go to Moscow - if only cheaper, and then resold to your neighbors and friends - tell me what's wrong

              You are mad, are not you ? belay


              Quote: dddym
              And come on, buy some kilograms of sausage in the 5-10 store today - is it enough for you to pay for the apartment after that?

              Enough, even if I buy 50, even after 100 I’ll stay (by the way, I'm talking about raw smoked meat), otherwise I already foresee your comment about the liver


              Quote: dddym
              Pantries were usually bursting with potatoes, flour, pasta and you say where abundant

              Of course . people had nothing to do from it was necessary to keep the flour in bags underground. It's probably not to go to the store - where all this was just a shaft and at bargain prices

              Quote: dddym
              Do you have any idea how large the economy should have been, allowing without the deficit of salt and sugar to provide the population with these products

              Another stupidity, I don’t even want to comment
              Quote: dddym
              But they didn’t just cook two or three cans, but they cooked for 2 years ahead

              You know. I'm not cooking anything right now. I don’t roll anything, I don’t plant anything, after work I do not rush to peel potatoes or spud or water the beds, but just calmly go to the store and buy when I need and what I need, and now prove to me that it is worse.
              1. dddym
                dddym 14 January 2014 21: 47
                0

                Boris Slutsky

                I remember our cold apartments
                And the smell of trouble.
                And adult labors.
                We were all poor.
                Not that hungry
                And just - there was not enough food.

                All was few.
                All was missing
                Children and adults of that quarter,
                Where did I grow up.
                Where in the snow ran to school
                And he planted trees in round pits.

                We were all poor.
                But we did not hang
                Noses wet with many colds
                Proudly, like horsemen, walked on foot
                Watch our trees grow.

                Like poplar (in Ukrainian - sycamore),
                Like a beech (in Ukrainian - a beech)
                Growing up, growing up.
                Comes true
                The work of our own hands.

                How are we thin
                Like us green
                Like us, funny and angry
                Not recognizing all darkness
                They reached for the light, as we did.

                And we called the future to come.
                (Coming day is not tomorrow)
                And they knew:
                Affairs of unmade piles yet
                There are for us, the Soviet people.

                And we learned to read newspapers
                From the age of twelve
                From ten
                From eight
                And they knew: five sixth of the planet -
                Capitalism, and the sixth is us.

                Capitalism in our childhood gnawed
                Foul hole like a mouse in bread
                And yet our age grew and grew
                And endured the war
                On his hump.
        3. Criceta
          Criceta 14 January 2014 21: 04
          0
          This is called selective memory. Maybe you lived in the USSR, but you remember, it seems, not all ... This is not good, we must be more attentive to health wink
      4. screw cutter
        screw cutter 14 January 2014 18: 43
        +4
        You are either very young or you read Western campaigns. It’s with the Khrushchev that the ceilings (according to the American model) were lowered in new buildings from 3,5 m to 2,5 m and 9 sq / m per person, it was during the Khrushchev that the crayfish, sturgeon and black caviar disappeared from the shelves, when Khrushchev cut aviation and fired combat pilots. And most importantly, how could such a good Khrushchev stay in the immediate environment of such a despot as Stalin for decades?
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 January 2014 18: 50
          -4
          Quote: screw cutter
          It was during Khrushchev that the ceilings (according to the American model) were lowered in new buildings from 3,5m to 2,5m and 9sq / m per person,

          It was under Khrushchov that people began to move en masse to their apartments from basements and communal apartments. Yes, maybe with low ceilings, but in their

          Quote: screw cutter
          it was during Khrushchev that crayfish, sturgeon and black caviar disappeared from the shelves,

          That's driving.
          Quote: screw cutter
          And most importantly, how could such a good Khrushchev stay in the immediate environment of such a despot as Stalin for decades?

          Yes, they are all oiled with one oil.
        2. Criceta
          Criceta 14 January 2014 22: 30
          +1
          Yes, the ceilings were lowered and the Khrushchevs began to build, but they began to be built in large numbers, so much so that even the workers you respected were able to get these small but their apartments. And before that, excuse me, hard workers lived in dormitories and did not shine their own living space for them. Again, the products disappeared, because people could afford to buy them - wages were rising. What does aviation have to do with this, I don’t really understand, but apparently it also has to do with the shortage of goods.
          wink By the way, under Khrushchev they still abandoned the Stalinist Empire in architecture - do you regret it? Beauty is gone)))
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 14 January 2014 15: 14
      +4
      Quote: Corsair5912
      but with Khrushchev all the best became export goods, for abroad.

      I remember it well! Made for export sounded the same as Made in, but not only did the best quality products go for export and their manufacture took a completely different acceptance, but they cost cheaper abroad than for us their lower-quality counterparts and I don’t see any mistake , all this is the links of one chain and every year more and more evidence of this.
  • pan_nor
    pan_nor 14 January 2014 14: 33
    0
    Probably many would like to go back to the USSR. But who will make the "oligarchs" return our money? ...
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 January 2014 16: 44
      +2
      Quote: pan_nor
      who will make the "oligarchs" return our money? ...
  • AX
    AX 14 January 2014 14: 50
    +1
    When will the moment come, as in 1917? When the tops can’t, but the bottoms do not want to ... DO NOT WANT !!!!
    1. Criceta
      Criceta 14 January 2014 15: 07
      +1
      Do you want a new redistribution of property? Blood will not cost.
  • REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 14 January 2014 14: 52
    0
    There was a lot of good in the USSR that could be returned now. But not a single oligarch fully agrees, namely they who rule our country will not want the return and nationalization of natural resources. Therefore, no matter how we write here about the desire to improve our lives, we still live in such a Russia that the oligarchs are building
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 January 2014 16: 46
      0
      Quote: REDBLUE
      Therefore, no matter how we write here about the desire to improve our lives, we still live in such a Russia that the oligarchs are building

      Because of the defeatist compromisers who think that they will have to
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 15 January 2014 03: 29
      0
      Quote: REDBLUE
      Therefore, no matter how we write here about the desire to improve our lives, we still live in such a Russia that the oligarchs are building
      Nationalization is not so rare now. And it can be done in different ways and without blood. It would be a desire, as they say. Chavez nationalized the oil industry, including among foreigners and no war ...
  • VIT1174
    VIT1174 14 January 2014 15: 17
    +7
    Quote: morpogr
    I always bring comparisons of the times of the USSR and present life to my children and comparisons are always in favor of the USSR. I hope that the construction of the CU and EurAsEC will revive the Great Country and our children will live in the new USSR without old flaws and all other countries will envy us.


    Such a cool coat of arms ... I studied in grade 10. when the COUNTRY collapsed ... a little, but LIVED in the USSR ... I remember free sections, Anapa for my mother's vacation and we have three children and a lot of things that my boy (also by the way is now in grade 10) never dreamed of ... yes always ancestors in all generations, including my ancestors, were unhappy with how we grow and what surrounds us ... but what is happening now through no gate ... they talk a lot about the lost generation of the 90s, and what will happen to generation a la "Is this your Olympics?" ... Why am I? Yes, I also want to go to the USSR ... where mom and dad never discussed politics, where almost every weekend there are guests, and there are potatoes and herring on the table ... where 20 kopecks collected under oilcloth on the kitchen table could be bought all sorts of goodies (not chemical) ... and I would take my boy there so that he could live at least a little. Not in the VIRTUAL WORLD ...
    1. sanitarlesa
      sanitarlesa 14 January 2014 21: 11
      +1
      just like a soul removed ...
  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 14 January 2014 15: 30
    +2
    The Russian return to socialism is most likely to occur next time, just as it did the first time - through revolution, and not through elections. Revolutions are not because people prefer a more advanced system than the one in which they currently live. Revolutions occur when it is no longer possible to live as before, and the Russians have not yet reached the point where the life they live today would become completely unbearable.

    As the Canadian exactly said. Article plus! Whether we want it or not, but those who seized the people's property and climbed into power peacefully will not give up all this. And the constant pressure of this elite on us (especially after each new year) will break down with something that some do not want and are afraid of. Just so that it does not work out as always, on the wave of discontent, a banal redistribution of property may occur (again into the private hands of other "God's chosen")
  • demotivator
    demotivator 14 January 2014 15: 34
    +6
    There is an opinion that the USSR is legally alive. Indeed, in order for him to be legally dead, it was necessary to carry out the procedures established by the law “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the exit of the Union Republic from the USSR”. The decision on the withdrawal of a Union republic from the USSR shall be considered adopted “by means of a referendum if at least two-thirds of USSR citizens who permanently reside in the republic by the time the question of its withdrawal from the USSR is raised” voted for it (Article 6). Citizens of the USSR living in a separating republic were guaranteed "the right to choose citizenship, place of residence and work, and the leaving republic would compensate for all the costs associated with relocating citizens from the borders of the republic" (Article 15).
    As is known, no referendum on secession from the USSR was held in any of the Union republics. Although, in this regard, it was guaranteed by the Constitution of the USSR. And for the RSFSR, USSR, BSSR - also the UN Charter.
    Referenda are not a substitute for unilateral declarations of independence: RSFSR (12.06.1990/23.06.1990/16.07.1990), Moldova (20.07.1990/27.07.1990/22.08.1990), Ukraine (23.08.1990/24.08.1990/25.10.1990), Uzbekistan (14.11.1990/15.12.1990/6.09.1991), Belarus (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), Turkmenistan (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), Armenia (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), Tajikistan (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), Kazakhstan (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), Georgia (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), Kyrgyzstan (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX). And even more so - the decision of the incomprehensible "State Council" to cut off from the USSR and "recognition of independence" of the Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian Union Republics "(September XNUMX, XNUMX).
    According to the results of the referendum alone, it was possible to deprive 280 million people of USSR citizenship, taking into account Art. 15 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Art. 33 of the Constitution of the USSR, Art. 20 of the Law "On Citizenship of the USSR" (23.05.1990), Art. 5 Declaration of Human Rights and Freedoms (5.06.1991), etc.
    The signing in the Bialowieza Forest of the 3-sided Agreement on the Establishment of the CIS (8.12.1991), in which it was announced that the USSR “ceases to exist” did not comply with the legislation in force at that time and contradicted the will of the people expressed in the All-Union referendum of 17 on March 1991, when 76,4% of Soviet citizens voted to preserve the USSR. In addition, the existence of an inter-republican CIS does not abolish the USSR.
    Legally, the membership of the Soviet Union in the United Nations was not terminated. The Bialowieza Agreement was not properly ratified and was not submitted to the UN Secretariat, as it should.
    The inviolability and integrity of the state territory of the USSR was fixed and still has not been canceled in the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (1.09.1975): “The participating states believe that their borders can be changed, in accordance with international law, peacefully and by agreements ... The participating States regard as inviolable all the borders of each other, as the borders of all states in Europe ... they will accordingly refrain from any requirements or actions aimed at am and usurpation of part or all of the territory of any State Party. "
    So, there are no legal obstacles to the existence and revival of the USSR. Moreover, the Russian Constitution, adopted at a referendum, does not contain any norms prohibiting the existence of the USSR and proclaims the people the only source of power in Russia. And since this source never spoke out for the collapse of the USSR, the stated opinion has not yet been refuted by anyone.
  • Volgin
    Volgin 14 January 2014 16: 02
    +1
    At that time we were "shareholders", and now "employees".
    1. Criceta
      Criceta 14 January 2014 16: 39
      -3
      Yeah, shareholders could see the world go, shareholders lived and all groups of goods were available to them in the store, shareholders ate whatever they wanted, and not even what they brought to the store today. And those shareholders who lived in rural areas did not have passports for a long time (well, why did they need rural shareholders) ...
  • REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 14 January 2014 17: 01
    +4
    Quote: Yarosvet
    Quote: REDBLUE
    Therefore, no matter how we write here about the desire to improve our lives, we still live in such a Russia that the oligarchs are building

    Because of the defeatist compromisers who think that they will have to

    You just have to be realistic in life and it's time to take off your pink glasses. No one will give us a helping hand until we ourselves grab this hand
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 January 2014 17: 51
      +4
      Quote: REDBLUE
      until we grab this hand
      do not twist and do not break behind
  • Black
    Black 14 January 2014 17: 08
    +3
    Water in a mortar .....
    Cheping in the hope of knocking butter?
    Looking back is doomed to perpetual stumbling and a beaten face.
    We must live on, make the country as strong and rich as the USSR.
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 14 January 2014 17: 27
    +1
    I agree with the author, but drove and can’t turn back! We need to go forward and prove to everyone that we are the best! There are all prerequisites for this.
  • clidon
    clidon 14 January 2014 17: 31
    +2
    Myth 1. "The Soviet Union did not have popular support"

    There was, the vast majority wanted to save it, but in a new form.
    Myth 2. "Russians hate Stalin"

    At the time of the collapse of the USSR, there was no such loyal attitude yet - the information about the repressions caused a generally negative perception of this ruler. Now, when revanchist sentiments are quite strong in society, he is a symbol of the time "when everyone was afraid of us." Even among those who do not really accept Marxism.
    Myth 3. "Soviet socialism did not work"

    He worked, but less efficiently (financially and productively) than capitalism. At the same time, people had more social gains.
    Myth 4. "Now that they have tried it, the citizens of the former Soviet Union prefer capitalism."

    People want all good things to remain, and all bad things to go. so generally always.
    Myth 5. “Twenty-two years later, citizens of the former Soviet Union believe that the collapse of the USSR was more useful than harm”

    In general, they think so. After the "dashing 90s" the majority.
    Myth 6. "For the citizens of the former Soviet Union, it’s better to live today"

    Some part undoubtedly became better financially, more opportunities and freedoms appeared. However, not everyone needs them and not all of them can use them.
    Myth 7. “If the citizens of the former Soviet Union really wanted to return to socialism, they would simply vote for it”

    This is actually funny. And not only because such results will not suit the authorities, but, first of all, that no one will allow such a situation to develop. In Russia, there is simply no corresponding caliber of political opposition.
  • VirtusEtHonor
    VirtusEtHonor 14 January 2014 18: 20
    +1
    I did not read the comments, but I know one thing: 2 drunks and a traitor from Ukraine and Russia sold our Great Motherland. Putin impresses me now in terms of foreign policy, but in the matter of domestic politics, he certainly loses a lot to Joseph.
  • kms
    kms 14 January 2014 18: 41
    0
    I read your comments on the article. and I think what you want. live like under Stalin. or how we live now. what do you want.
    1. Sour
      Sour 14 January 2014 18: 49
      -6
      Quote: kms
      and what do you want. live like under Stalin. or as now

      There are those who would like to live as under Stalin.
      Of course, as Stalin himself. As a last resort, as a member of the Politburo or Minister.
      As a collective farmer or a worker of those times, no one would want to live here, including paid, corrupt communal trolls, like "Corsair 5912".
      1. kms
        kms 14 January 2014 18: 57
        0
        and if you were an engineer or a military man in the time of Stalin
      2. kms
        kms 14 January 2014 18: 57
        0
        and if you were an engineer or a military man in the time of Stalin
      3. VirtusEtHonor
        VirtusEtHonor 14 January 2014 21: 19
        +2
        I would not want to be a member of the nomenclature, I would like my physical and mathematical knowledge and dispositions to be judged as they deserved in my economically-fucked-capitalist state. Maybe another Kurchatov died in me, I do not do in life what I always wanted to be, but I would like my children to receive free (better) education, medicine. So that they read a lot of books that smell of fresh paper, I would like them to live in a society where it was not scary to leave the door open at night, where everyone protected each other and helped, and not in a society of competition and struggle for a place in the sun.
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    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 January 2014 18: 55
      +3
      Quote: kms
      I read your comments on the article. and I think what you want. live like under Stalin. or how we live now. what do you want.

      There is no need to compare the incomparable, Stalin got a country without a mineral resource base, without electricity, machinery, machine tools, aircraft construction, with housing stocks on 80% consisting of wooden peasant huts, and 20% mansions of noblemen, priests and merchants and factory barracks . Oil was extracted only in Baku and it was in short supply, even for domestic consumption it was not enough, oil refining was primitive, there were practically no pipelines.
      Everything had to be created with almost 0.
      Now, for a normal, prosperous life of the population, thanks to the Stalin five-year plans, Russia has everything except normal people's power.
      The oligarchs strangle themselves, but never agree to share property stolen from the same people with the people.
      1. kms
        kms 14 January 2014 18: 59
        0
        we choose this power ourselves
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 14 January 2014 19: 17
          +2
          Quote: kms
          we choose this power ourselves

          We did not choose the oligarchs, they were created by Benya Reltsyn, and their proteges are all of the same breed, thieves, scammers and traitors. Though for whom you vote, you will still get the same deputies, honest people don’t get there.
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      2. kms
        kms 14 January 2014 18: 59
        0
        we choose this power ourselves
        1. dddym
          dddym 14 January 2014 19: 48
          +2
          we do not choose such power - in 90 they surfaced after collateral auctions.
  • sanitarlesa
    sanitarlesa 14 January 2014 19: 43
    +1
    I had a happy childhood ... I was born in 1981 .. and people were different. yes very sorry very much .. we don’t know who the pedophiles are .. we don’t know what the crisis is .. the blue was the color of our sky .. and the red army was the most powerful and courageous ..hh .. don’t torment me my soul
  • RLA
    RLA 14 January 2014 20: 07
    0
    And here it is, you don’t need to blame all the people for blinking while sitting on the TV, everything happened in MOSCOW, and the provinces didn’t know, there was an obvious conspiracy, but everything about the elections was falsified, and ZYUGANOV lost ground.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 January 2014 22: 54
      0
      Quote: RLA
      and Zyuganov lost ground.

      Not a fact.
  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 14 January 2014 20: 21
    +1
    The people did not miss, the people wanted "change", "freedom" and so on. As a teenager who wanted to escape from his paternal care, but did not understand what awaited him! We were probably at that time similar to the "Euromaidans". Only Russia is stopping them, but nobody stopped us, on the contrary, they "helped". Gorbachev and others, the Russian-Moscow intelligentsia also played an important role in the collapse! What can I say now, I remember in 88-89 in workers' smoking rooms they scolded commies and looked into Gorbach's mouth, now those workers remember the USSR with affection and beat themselves in the chest counting pennies until retirement!
  • androuz
    androuz 14 January 2014 20: 32
    0
    Here you are, write everything right here, but no matter how cool you sold your country for thirty pieces of silver. am
    1. sanitarlesa
      sanitarlesa 14 January 2014 21: 07
      0
      yes ... sold for the best toilet paper and televisions .. and the main thing is that we can write about it and who really doesn’t know what .. but I think everyone is full of pseudo-democracy .. we hope only for ourselves and believe only in ourselves!
  • alexdol
    alexdol 14 January 2014 21: 25
    +1
    Myth 6. "For the citizens of the former Soviet Union, it’s better to live today"
    Instead of commenting, I’ll quote my own verse, here is a link to it:
    http://www.stihi.ru/2009/08/24/5181
    Whoever wants to read it, but for most I’ll give you the last lines:

    Believe me, at least check
    But now the cost of everything
    That life that got worse than death
    For those who are most here!
  • disa
    disa 14 January 2014 21: 40
    0
    It is not very difficult to return the USSR for oneself ... it is enough to say to yourself: "I am a citizen of the Soviet Union"! When faced with reality, it is more difficult to defend for oneself the right to speak like that everywhere and always .. even in the most critical situations of today's life, it is not necessary to be a communist, for a long time already it is more than enough to be a citizen of the USSR .. now it is more dangerous than a communist. Those who were issued passports of citizens of the Soviet Union can also return the USSR ... it is enough to declare to each creature in person that you are a Citizen of the Soviet Union, starting from the lousy DPSnik and ending with the president of Russia ... He is the president in Russia, and among the Citizens of the Soviet Union ... He is simply either with Us, or against Us, that is, no one or also a citizen of the Soviet Union. Technically, it is very simple to return the USSR to the USSR, put on a vote on the return to socialism and issue passports of citizens of the USSR to those who are ready to be them ... and that's all ... khan's cannibalistic capitalism among the Russians and peoples fraternal with him.
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 15 January 2014 06: 13
    -1
    I am convinced that in Russia most of the population would like to return to the USSR, would like state planning in everything, the destruction of private capital and businessmen as a class, universal equalization, arms race with America, ostentatious greatness before foreigners, etc. All this meets the requirements of the Russian people .
    and this is understandable - the centuries-old stay in serfdom, and then in the Soviet Union formed the mentality that is most convenient for authoritarian leadership. an attempt to release the reins breaks the people’s head and leads to anarchy and banditry. people do not need freedom, because they do not need responsibility and all the risks arising from it. stable dependent existence is necessary. in order to maintain self-esteem, compensation is required - such compensation should be the greatness and power of the country in the international arena, whatever it costs. hence our desire to surpass everyone at international events, whether it be a summit, a music festival or an olympiad. it doesn’t matter what the facade is misery and devastation, the main thing is that everyone sees our ostentatious wealth. even better to be feared. Yes, we are afraid inside the country - bosses, law enforcement officers of all stripes, but this is our internal affair, but you should be afraid of our nuclear bomb abroad.
    Of course, not everyone adheres to such an ideology, many people are internally free and independent of the state and its servants, but they are already in exile, either actual or planned. and when the last such splinter from the country was squeezed out, only Urfin Juice and his wooden soldiers would remain, and then a new USSR would come.
    1. Right-Wrestler
      Right-Wrestler 15 January 2014 08: 03
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      No, they would like to go back to the 90s and prevent a general rift. And "wise" figures such as Chubais and Gaidars and their hangers-on, sir, send you to the places of the STALINSKY WAY.
  • Right-Wrestler
    Right-Wrestler 15 January 2014 08: 14
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    From the vigorous discussion, I am convinced once again that the so-called "free media" of which absolutely all media in Russia are paid for with capital. Recently, the topic of returning to the USSR has been actively discussed, this is probably with the aim of identifying terrorists. We carried out a special operation, adjusted the legislation and are working further to strengthen our stool.
  • twister
    twister 15 January 2014 10: 39
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    USSR - STRENGTH! RUSSIA IS OUR POWER!