Gun Mars (Gabbet-Fairfax Mars Automatic Pistol)

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  1. the47th Rank
    the47th
    -5
    16 January 2014 09: 10
    Great gun. Urgently need to establish its release under modern cartridges!
    1. Vladimirets Rank
      Vladimirets
      +3
      16 January 2014 13: 21
      Quote: the47th
      Great gun. Urgently need to establish its release under modern cartridges!

      Hope the joke?
      1. the47th Rank
        the47th
        +2
        16 January 2014 16: 16
        No. For targeted and entertaining shooting, it will be very good, given its accuracy, and a large mass guarantees low returns with a powerful cartridge.
        1. Vladimirets Rank
          Vladimirets
          0
          16 January 2014 20: 12
          Quote: the47th
          No. For targeted and entertaining shooting, it will be very good, given its accuracy, and a large mass guarantees low returns with a powerful cartridge.

          Just for entertaining shooting, neither a powerful cartridge nor precision is needed. For the target there are more attractive patterns.
          1. the47th Rank
            the47th
            0
            16 January 2014 21: 42
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Just for entertaining shooting, neither a powerful cartridge nor precision is needed.

            You tell the Americans with their Autos and Desert Needles.
        2. mark1 Rank
          mark1
          0
          16 January 2014 21: 59
          Quote: the47th
          a large mass guarantees low returns with a powerful cartridge.

          According to the recollections of contemporaries, when a shot from "Mars" was fired, the sensations were as follows - "... as if you were kicked by a horse ..."
          1. ramsi
            ramsi
            0
            17 January 2014 08: 49
            significant, backward-moving mass (of the bolt and barrel) creates a significant overturning moment (plus, the features of the "pistol" grip); a large mass of weapons also plays against accuracy (this is not automatic shooting). In general, what-what - but this freak could not have an exact battle
  2. Alex65 Rank
    Alex65
    +2
    16 January 2014 09: 46
    Thanks for the detailed review, / long barrel travel for the gun- did not hear /
  3. avt Rank
    avt
    +1
    16 January 2014 10: 09
    Yeah ! Wise! laughing the Angels have this - they will, they will be wise, and they will look creepy.
    1. makarov
      makarov
      +2
      16 January 2014 11: 55
      For that time, this unit can be firmly called advanced.
  4. Same lech Rank
    Same lech
    +2
    16 January 2014 11: 04
    Very interesting gun, thanks to the author for the review.
  5. Sour Rank
    Sour
    +2
    16 January 2014 12: 10
    Here in the table are data for "Mars" .45 caliber (or 450, if in English).
    But, as far as I know, the most common cartridge for these pistols was 9 by 26 mm.
    Quote: avt
    they will be wise, they will be wise and the look is creepy.

    What does the view have to do with it? The Mauser-C96 also looks very clumsy, atypical for most pistols. "Mars" did not receive further development due to the complex system of decoupling the barrel and the bolt, not entirely reliable, sensitive to pollution.
  6. Walking Rank
    Walking
    0
    16 January 2014 13: 45
    Interesting and informative.
  7. Cpa Rank
    Cpa
    +1
    16 January 2014 16: 16
    In the USSR, there were keychains made of tin in the form of various small pistols. I had one like in the article.
  8. Uzer 13. Rank
    Uzer 13.
    0
    16 January 2014 19: 30
    It was not necessary to pin hopes on military orders, such a pistol was not able to compete with long-existing revolvers, much more reliable and not inferior to the power of ammunition. If you make a light carbine with an elongated barrel and a removable butt on the basis of the pistol, he could would be a commercial success. Recall the Mauser, which was also produced as a light carbine for travelers and was very popular.
    1. Sour Rank
      Sour
      +1
      16 January 2014 20: 17
      Quote: uzer 13
      If a light carbine with an elongated barrel and a removable butt were made on the basis of a pistol, it could be a commercial success.

      It was not difficult. The design of "Mars" made it possible to do this, the pistol had a long sighting line, a powerful cartridge (more abruptly than the Mauser cartridge), all that was needed was an earring on the handle for attaching an attached butt-holster. So this is not the problem with this design.
      If anything, at the beginning of the 20th century, not only the Mauser-C96 had an attached butt. It was also owned by Parabellum, Browning Long 07, Colt M1905, and a number of other models.
  9. mark1 Rank
    mark1
    0
    16 January 2014 21: 18
    For its power, it is a very compact weapon (the ratio of the pistol length to the barrel length). Probably the principle of moving the cartridge back during reloading (this is the main contribution of the designer) could be used in modern developments.
  10. Bosk Rank
    Bosk
    0
    16 January 2014 21: 49
    With a cartridge of 8.5 mm, the bullet speed was 533 m / s ... not a bad ballistics, and even with the 45th caliber of an elephant, not an elephant but not a small beast, you can fill up.
  11. _KM_ Rank
    _KM_
    0
    17 January 2014 00: 18
    An interesting diagram of the supply of cartridges.
  12. sef-77
    sef-77
    +1
    18 January 2014 03: 32
    Just the sight of such a monster can scare you without even shooting....))
  13. Reinhard Rank
    Reinhard
    0
    18 January 2014 22: 04
    Really - a dead end!