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The physical training of the military they want to "tie" to the requirements of the battle

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The physical training of the military they want to "tie" to the requirements of the battle

The half-forgotten slogan of the Soviet era “Muscle your own, breathe and train your body with benefits for military affairs” gained a new life in the Russian army.


Physical training in the army has become as important academic discipline as tactics or driving a combat vehicle. And on the sports grounds, not only soldiers, but also officers, are "chased" to the seventh sweat. Whether it is a young lieutenant, a divisional commander with stripes, or a staff colonel, passing tests for a fizo cannot be avoided. And not only the size of the officer’s salary, but also his career growth will depend on the final assessment on this subject. Weaknesses of the army are not needed, and if a recruit-recruit in any case will be forced to pump up muscles, the refusal of such training for a regular military personnel is fraught with early dismissal.

The approach is tough, but it gives a positive effect. "The physical training system is being improved, there is no limit to perfection. Over the past year, the institute of physical training instructors has earned. The motivation tools for a high level of physical training have earned. As a result, compared to 2012, the number of military personnel has increased by at least 7 percent. and “excellent,” said Col. Oleg Botsman, head of the Physical Training Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, on the Echo of Moscow radio station.

The level of physical development of officers, including, was assessed at the final test last fall. Personnel soldiers "at the stars" performed exercises for strength, speed and endurance. Evaluation of their sports skills gave special commissions, consisting of professional army instructors, athletes. The officers demonstrated their strengths to the commission either by pulling on the crossbar, or by performing a complex exercise, including bending and unbending the arms in the rest position (lying flatly). The speed was determined by the exercise "shuttle run" - this is 10 races without stopping at a distance of 10 meters with turns. And the officers proved their endurance on the kilometer cross-country.

The score for fizo in the army is as follows. For each exercise performed, a serviceman is awarded points, their sum for three exercises is entered in a special table. The final grade for each general and officer is then calculated using coefficients that take into account the service category and age of the examinee.

While the scheme is this. But it can change a little. According to Oleg Botsman, in assessing the physical training of officers, "we are trying to move away from the age categories, since the platoon commander, regardless of his age, must meet certain requirements."

In addition, he said that in the armed forces "they began to test complex exercises - with simultaneous testing of strength, endurance, accuracy - for each military specialty, modulating the conditions of the situation that a soldier may encounter in battle." The purpose of this work is to prepare the soldier and officer to fulfill the standards for combat training.

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Soldiers who received a two-man check at the fizo, on the orders of the Minister of Defense, are deprived of a monthly allowance. They are given exactly six months to improve their fitness. If the 6 months the officer does not surrender the standards to at least a "C grade", he will be dismissed from the army with the wording "on non-compliance with the terms of the contract." But officers with excellent fizo indicators receive a monthly surcharge in the amount of 30 percent of the salary for the position held. For servicemen-dischargers and holders of titles in military-applied sports, this premium is increased to one hundred percent.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 13 January 2014 11: 41
    +12
    Everything is correct, there is nothing to add, the army should not only be healthy, but also "strong".
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 13 January 2014 15: 14
      +34
      ShturmKGB
      That's right, there's nothing to add

      That's all, but not all. No.
      We have, as always, make a fool pray to God (physically surrender), and he will pierce his forehead.
      First, fitness level is not an end in itself, but a way to successfully complete a task. Suppose an electronic warrior officer is a master of sports in boxing. He has a 100% salary increase. But radio-electronic warfare is really difficult to organize. What the hell is a master boxer or a swift deer runner? He cannot fight, he will come to the "invalid" to ask what, but how?
      It would be better if he pulled himself up 6-8 times and ran 3 km in 13 minutes 10 seconds, but he knew his military affairs perfectly.
      There is no need to mechanically shift the level of physical training of a spetsnaz paratrooper to a self-propelled gun mechanic or a radiotelegraph operator or a "chef in the infantry."
      Also, there is no need to demand from the pre-retirement major that he gallop like a young goat. This one is stupid. Age is age. Although, of course, the minimum level of physical fitness and general health should be maintained by everyone. And to expel such a major, or a lieutenant colonel, if he "knows the best" is even more stupid, putting in his place a sports fool who is only able to endure "embarrassment".
      Well, and, of course, the organization of physical. training in the troops and headquarters.
      It should be a system with daily training sessions, and not just test crosses for a while. Nachfizy should work, and not just stand with stopwatch and knock down mogarych.
      1. 955535
        955535 13 January 2014 16: 34
        +28
        It also touches how submarine crews, after months of staying at sea, in cramped conditions, hand over AF standards almost immediately upon arrival at the base. Somehow they handed over in February, in a 20 degree frost. Cross 1 km - paradise pleasure! After that, a surge in morbidity and injuries (sprain of muscles, ligaments, etc.) in the crew. Burn in hell, who invented it!
      2. finderektor
        finderektor 13 January 2014 19: 58
        +1
        There is simply nothing to add.
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 13 January 2014 20: 17
        +7
        Quote: Alekseev
        Also, it is not necessary from the pre-retirement major to demand that he ride like a young goat. This one is stupid. Age is age.

        What nonsense are you writing here?
        In the American army, everything including generals is handed over physically and that doesn’t stop them from performing combat missions! How can a senior officer demand subordinates to carry out any combat mission when he resembles a pregnant wardrobe ?? Fizeau should be on a par with professional qualities. here snot - shoulder straps press on his shoulders to pull up on him by the service life is not supposed to be !?
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 13 January 2014 21: 19
          +4
          Physical standards are broken down by age group ... Nobody requires an elderly officer to "jump like a goat" ... But in your age group, be kind.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 14 January 2014 10: 13
            +3
            Quote: Prapor-527
            But in your age group, be kind.

            Absolutely accurate definition!
            But tell me, is it fair, a lieutenant, a master of sports, who is still a "second degree oak" in his military affairs, to pay more than a "sensible" major, who is not a master, but simply passed his physical training quite satisfactorily?
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 14 January 2014 10: 07
          +4
          Quote: APASUS
          What nonsense are you writing here?

          Nonsense, rather, hit your brain, despite the fact that you apparently served in the American army for a long time. laughing
          If you served, you would probably know that the standards in it are not higher than ours (or even lower), but they rightly demand that they all be complied with.
          And a 100% salary for the title of master of sports (most likely there is none at all lol ) in America do not pay. Follow standard what is appropriate for your position, and good.
          And senior officers - pregnant wardrobes I didn't defend at all, but brought dull simple truth - the necessary level of physical fitness achieved as a result of systematic focused work, rather than just issuing orders and conducting checks.
          A senior officer, 40-45 years old, should not be "faster" and "more agile" than a young lieutenant. This is unnatural. He must be fit for military service for health reasons and meet the standards for his age group. Everything seems to be clear, like God's day ...
          What amazed and outraged you? request what
          1. SIT
            SIT 14 January 2014 11: 14
            +1
            Quote: Alekseev
            the necessary level of physical fitness is achieved as a result of systematic focused work,

            If, again, we turn to the experience of some of our sworn friends, then there is one interesting example of systematically focused work. ALL officers, up to and including the major, are sent before the next rank to the rank-and-file from a month to 3 at the beginning of the training sergeant, who explains everything to them from the beginning and for good. As a rule, along with new epaulets, you have to buy new pants 2 sizes smaller than they were with the previous rank. If you completely scored a fizuha in the service and can not stand the load of the training center, then from a dead donkey you ears, not a new title. So in the morning everyone runs like nice and before the presentation to the new rank they stop thumping at all. Only a cold beer with a stuffy, hot evening after service. Under the sergeant, you can only drink some water when he commands. Those who can’t run 5 km at 45 are simply not there.
            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 14 January 2014 12: 12
              +2
              Quote: SIT
              An interesting example of systematically focused work. ALL officers to the major, inclusive, before receiving the next rank are sent privates from a month to 3 under the beginning of a training sergeant

              An extremely interesting experience! lol
              Only it’s not clear on ... that is, sorry, why such officers, moreover, candidates for conferring ranks are needed if the sergeant is to teach and train them?
              Maybe the corporal should teach and train them physically. Very similar to a fairy tale. yes
              I do not know from which "sworn friends" - "storytellers" they got such a technique, it was always and everywhere believed that officers should be taught and trained by their senior boss.
              In particular, on a unit scale, the deputy commander (through the chief of staff) should be closely involved in the physical training of the officer corps, and not at all sergeants from some "mythical training".
              "Everything has been stolen before us" yes - it is well known how to "develop physical endurance" in the military and who should do this.
              Need to work. Do not steal, do not appoint dolbo ... in high positions, do not allow corruption, including in the case of passing checks on physical wink and everything will fall into place.
          2. SIT
            SIT 14 January 2014 11: 14
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            the necessary level of physical fitness is achieved as a result of systematic focused work,

            If, again, we turn to the experience of some of our sworn friends, then there is one interesting example of systematically focused work. ALL officers, up to and including the major, are sent before the next rank to the rank-and-file from a month to 3 at the beginning of the training sergeant, who explains everything to them from the beginning and for good. As a rule, along with new epaulets, you have to buy new pants 2 sizes smaller than they were with the previous rank. If you completely scored a fizuha in the service and can not stand the load of the training center, then from a dead donkey you ears, not a new title. So in the morning everyone runs like nice and before the presentation to the new rank they stop thumping at all. Only a cold beer with a stuffy, hot evening after service. Under the sergeant, you can only drink some water when he commands. Those who can’t run 5 km at 45 are simply not there.
          3. APASUS
            APASUS 14 January 2014 19: 33
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            Nonsense, rather, hit your brain, despite the fact that you apparently served in the American army for a long time.

            I served in the normal, Soviet Army, and not what we just did - a military sanatorium, they can’t do this, they can call mom, and how did we serve ?? We were the same 18 year old boys, and we were in the mountains in the summer uniform of the station Mount and nothing. That would not chat in vain, specially for you copied


            US Army Physical Training
            Evaluation of results depending on age. Minimum Requirements:
            Age (years) Pullup Raising the torso Run 3 miles (min. And sec.) Points for 3 exercise Addition glasses Total points
            17-26 10 40 28.00 95 40 135
            27-39 8 40 29.00 84 26 110
            40-45 6 35 30.00 78 7 85

            Overall fitness assessment:
            Age (years) Unsatisfied. 3rd grade 2nd grade 1st grade
            17-26 0-134 135-174 175-224 225
            27-39 0-109 110-149 150-199 200
            40-45 0-84 85-124 125-174 175
            Privates must show results of the 3rd grade and higher, and sergeants and officers up to and including the colonel must always take the 1st grade in accordance with their age category. Particular attention is paid to marines shooting and hand-to-hand combat.
            In case of failure to perform at least one exercise, even if the required amount of points is exceeded, the test is considered to be failed.

            I can bet that most of our officers will not pass up to grade 3 !!! If you're interested, read the full http://www.spec-naz.org/forum/forum9/topic332/
            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 14 January 2014 21: 15
              +1
              Quote: APASUS
              In order not to talk in vain, I specially copied for you

              It was not worth trying, this is only a confirmation of my words, but once copied, it’s good. It is clearly seen that the standards are not complicated. Not about any sports categories there is no question.
              As for the fact that we now have such officers that they cannot pull up 17 times (or 26-10 40 times) in 45-6 years, or run about 5 km in 10 km march throw with weapons I don’t know ... Is there really such degradation after many "cleansing" and certification?
              Most likely, not so gloomy.
              I personally began my officer service in the division's reconnaissance battalion in the early 80s. And such standards could be fulfilled even "with a hangover"
              The question is different. Classes in physical training should not only be a subject of self-training, but should be conducted constantly and during office hours. That at one time was not mandatory, especially during the years of collapse, unlike various kinds of work and other things.
              Well, teachers, some staff officers, etc. can fulfill their official duties (and perfectly perform) while in the group of physical therapy. Of course, only a few.
              After all, there are people not only "overeat", but also wounded, traumatized, sick in the service.
              Those. no companies and ostentatious intolerance and exactingness in this, and other issues. Transform, say, a tank battalion into a high-performance sports team. You just have to conscientiously organize physical training in the current order and surpass American standards. yes
      4. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 14 January 2014 01: 38
        +1
        Quote: Alekseev
        Also, it is not necessary from the pre-retirement major to demand that he ride like a young goat. This one is stupid. Age is age. Although, of course, everyone should maintain a minimum level of physical fitness and general health.

        Do you know a respected, even the most intelligent pre-retirement major, who weighs 125 kg at 85 instead of XNUMX, cannot think normally with his smart and experienced head, and therefore the standards for (you can’t cancel anyone and drop) are another thing that rockets , the standards should be different from the standards for paratroopers, marines and motorized rifles, this is understood, but they must fit the standards for the warrior, and not for the consumer of beer and vodka with lard.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 14 January 2014 10: 17
          +1
          Quote: cherkas.oe
          Do you know a respected, even the most intelligent pre-retirement major, who is forty-five years old and weighs 125 kg instead of 85, cannot normally think his smart

          I know. yes Such obesity is a disease, and possibly promiscuity.
          It is unlikely that such a comrade place in the sun.
          I don’t understand, only, where is my comment? request lol
      5. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 14 January 2014 08: 32
        +3
        I recall the years of service.
        There was a lieutenant colonel in our division - an instructor of the political department, with a disease of the spine - bent him, God forbid anyone. As a joke, his young people, behind his back, called him "an unbending Marxist."
        Well, and what to drive him out of the army without having reached the retirement for the fact that he does not fulfill the norms of physical training, if he gave his whole life and health to the army? This is at least unfair.
        In each case, it is necessary to approach individually.
        But in general, the requirements of physical training, in the implementation of certain norms and exercises, are correct.
        Just do not bring to the point of absurdity, for example, with a 100% allowance for physical training. Enough, for example, is the impossibility of promotion due to non-compliance with the standards of physical training for a certain position and a small salary supplement.
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 13 January 2014 16: 07
      +11
      ShturmKGB
      Everything is correct, there is nothing to add, the army should not only be healthy, but also "strong".

      Of course, the army should be healthy and strong, and in general, the approach with the selection of tools for motivating military personnel to monitor their physical form is correct.
      The article was embarrassed by one thing - what was Colonel Oleg Botsman, head of the Physical Training Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, doing on the air of the Echo of Moscow radio station? "Echo Matsy" has become the official mouthpiece of the RF Armed Forces? Or is it the most objective radio, with the widest and most importantly patriotic audience? The head of the Physical Training Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation speaks on the radio which, in terms of the number of lies and Russophobia, leaves behind any Western voices and which is simply disgusting to listen to knowing what kind of guests there are.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 14 January 2014 01: 42
        +1
        Also embarrassed .... Plus hi
    3. alone
      alone 13 January 2014 22: 14
      +4
      ShturmKGB
      Everything is correct, there is nothing to add, the army should not only be healthy, but also "strong".


      let me clarify something. People here are almost all servicemen, so if I am mistaken in something, they will probably tell you what. A conscript in 1 year of service should, in theory, become a good soldier and, in addition, fully physically capable. I’m not sure what can learn in a year.
  2. rolik
    rolik 13 January 2014 11: 43
    +3
    It’s hard to learn, easy in battle.
  3. Cpa
    Cpa 13 January 2014 11: 44
    +11
    In our school, in our company, an experiment in hand-to-hand combat was introduced. Each of them should have a duel once a year. This significantly improved the atmosphere and coherence. We even came from other parts to learn from them. By the way, other courses at least laughed , but respected, the challenge cup in the Republic of Belarus stood for five years at the company on the table.
  4. Alez
    Alez 13 January 2014 11: 45
    +7
    How will all generals be fired? Not a single thin general in the army, only beer bellies. They will be the first enemy sniper to shoot them at the front line, without looking at shoulder straps. One Shoigu will be able to pass the standard satisfactorily.
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 January 2014 13: 19
      +11
      Alez

      Normal generals do not snoop along the front lines. Well, maybe just for reconnaissance.

      A beer belly is not a hindrance if the head has brains and experience in planning operations.
    3. Gregazov
      Gregazov 13 January 2014 14: 43
      +17
      Quote: Alez
      How will all generals be fired?

      You, my friend, and Kutuzov would be fired from the army. Well, he couldn’t have performed the exercise on the crossbar in front of Borodino.
      The article saw a reasonable grain - to tie sports standards not to age, but to the position held. In this case, I would not have to quit due to my health at the age of 45, being a colonel, head of the department of electro-radio chains because of a rupture of the ligaments of the knee joint. (He was injured as a cadet. However, he served in the engineering, technical and teaching posts after receiving it for 25 years). He quit only because he could not run a kilometer for a positive assessment.
      1. Earnest
        Earnest 13 January 2014 21: 45
        0
        Did you not serve in the RAU / RVVKIU? I suspected by "Azov"))
      2. Alez
        Alez 14 January 2014 07: 25
        0
        Do not confuse that time with the present, then the army went to the army in formation, the war resembled chess, the generals watched the movement from an elevated position, watch films, chronicles, paintings. Now the war does not carry head-on collisions, secretive maneuvers. As for injuries, there is a commission for this if they admit that they can’t pass the standards as a result of military injuries or received while serving, it’s another matter, let them take cabinet posts, for which payment is less. The army is an elite; a warrior must be healthy in body, healthy in spirit. This will not happen immediately, you need to do everything from school. If a person is initially accustomed to physical activity, this will be a vital useful habit, just as he is, and breathing. The rest is all from the evil one.
    4. Svyatoslavovich
      Svyatoslavovich 13 January 2014 21: 15
      +1
      My unit commander, Major General Marichev, was in the habit of jogging every morning already at a venerable age, and therefore everyone else was running along with him (though not jogging). As the battalion commander used to say, you have to shoot like a cowboy and run like his horse ........
    5. gosha1970
      gosha1970 14 January 2014 10: 21
      +1
      I immediately remembered a joke: a running general in peace causes a smile, and in a war-panic smile
  5. hell hell
    hell hell 13 January 2014 11: 56
    +5
    and again everything is for money. We seem ready to fart for a penny in the church.
    1. mountain
      mountain 13 January 2014 12: 59
      +4
      The article is about the military, not the bombers.
      To Article. A good incentive to be healthy and healthy, homeland.
      1. hell hell
        hell hell 13 January 2014 17: 51
        .
        Quote: mountain
        The article is about the military, not the bombers.
        To Article. A good incentive to be healthy and healthy, homeland.

        what kind of motherland are you frowning about today the fighters defend the interests of the blatata who seized and ruined our Motherland
        without war they allowed the loss of 6oooooo sq km and reduced by half the population. defenders
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        2. servant.
          servant. 13 January 2014 18: 03
          +1
          Quote: ow hell
          Quote: mountain
          The article is about the military, not the bombers.
          To Article. A good incentive to be healthy and healthy, homeland.

          what kind of motherland are you frowning about today the fighters defend the interests of the blatata who seized and ruined our Motherland
          without war they allowed the loss of 6oooooo sq km and reduced by half the population. defenders


          Protect the fact that in 90 defenders did not have time to tear out!
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          1. Patton5
            Patton5 14 January 2014 01: 52
            0
            don't shout, but Vlasov spotted this flag
            1. Patton5
              Patton5 14 January 2014 02: 31
              0
              Democrats clearly took national symbols in a hurry or with someone else's clue (((
              1. user1212
                user1212 14 January 2014 04: 54
                0
                For you, I look before the year 17 Russia was not at all.
  6. RBLip
    RBLip 13 January 2014 12: 02
    +4
    served in the nineties for a term. price Kantemirovka. in baht he was assigned to the headquarters. accordingly, he passed off tests with officers and foremen. I am silent about the physical of the then "professional" military. The most interesting thing is that some of them managed to fill up the drill. so the current conditions, beating with money, I think are correct and true.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 13 January 2014 12: 08
      +7
      If only all the arresters on paper would not.
    2. maxiban
      maxiban 13 January 2014 12: 11
      +1
      Kantik has always been famous ...
  7. 0251
    0251 13 January 2014 12: 07
    +1
    Very correct decision. This is especially necessary in relation to the higher command staff.
    1. Akim
      Akim 13 January 2014 15: 43
      0
      Quote: 0251
      This is especially necessary in relation to the higher command staff.

      From experience: Komvzoda and Komrota will surrender, and the battalion commander always agree.
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    3. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 January 2014 16: 15
      0
      0251

      What exactly does the highest command staff need in 50 years?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 13 January 2014 23: 30
        +2
        Quote: aviamed90
        What exactly does the highest command staff need in 50 years?
  8. bistrov.
    bistrov. 13 January 2014 12: 15
    -1
    Still, I am returning to the Soviet Army again. I do not want to idealize, but in my opinion, it is necessary to accept the principles that were laid in its foundation precisely in the Soviet Army. Is kilometer running an indicator for a young man? At least three kilometers, and at a good pace, the result should not go beyond the limit of 10 minutes. On the crossbar, not pull-ups should be applied, but lifts by bending or flipping, the amount is not less than 10, as well as a complex exercise on the uneven bars, I agree about push-ups, but their number should be taken into account in a unit of time, for example, it is satisfactory for 1 minute at least 90. In its In one minute, I easily performed 120 full push-ups. The main thing is not to make concessions for age and position, which SA suffered by the way. Everyone must pass the financial standards, otherwise I remember that as soon as the planned physical training is completed, he or she doesn’t allow for urgent tasks, he / she puts on a medical certificate , and at the surrender there is only an urgent contingent and lieutenant from the school yesterday.
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 13 January 2014 12: 23
      +8
      Quote: bistrov.
      in 1 minute at least 90. At one time in one minute I easily performed 120 full push-ups.

      In general, I agree, but it went too far.
      1. Vedmed_23
        Vedmed_23 13 January 2014 13: 05
        +12
        Even as I went too far, I ran 1993km in school (98-3). to the first category, it was 11.20, excellent 12.40, I would look at that fast deer that ran 3 km in uniform and boots. less than 10min. Our college record was 9.53, but here everything is less than 10min. generally not real.
        1. abdrah
          abdrah 13 January 2014 14: 40
          0
          It was necessary to run to the French foreign legion in order to get 2800 meters in 12,5 minutes, if you run less than 11 you go home, you are a professional athlete, overtrained. Stretch 7 times and push 15, though it is smooth, without jerking and not fast.
          1. Nick
            Nick 13 January 2014 22: 58
            +1
            Quote: abdrah
            . Pull up 7 times and push out 15, though smoothly, without twitching and not quickly.

            Chet is not impressive.
            I'm in my 52, with a weight of 94 kg, I pull myself up 7 times and push up 30 ...
            1. abdrah
              abdrah 15 January 2014 04: 00
              0
              Unfortunately, we do not come up with contests and tests, we do not set standards and determine the number of points that should be considered passing and the rest. so far we only have the right to choose to participate in these tests or not.
              It seems to me that the latter will soon be abolished ...
              PS Previously, they were taken to the legion and without a passport, as it seems in keno, but in keno they do not show what these 15 push-ups and 7 pull-ups are.
              PPS "Gestapo" - Legion's internal security service.
    2. lukke
      lukke 13 January 2014 12: 46
      +8
      Yeah, treshka not going beyond 10-ku ----- these are the standards of the 2nd adult category. At that time, we will have only one unit left to serve, and the headquarters will probably immediately have zero. The distance of 1000 m. According to many runners, it’s even harder to run than treshka, because at one high pace the whole distance.
      Everything should be balanced: if you occupy a position not related to permanent service in the field - the standards must be appropriate (I do not take people who are obese at all), when appointing or transferring to another position - be kind enough to pass a physical minimum corresponding to that position.
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    4. Oleg56.ru
      Oleg56.ru 13 January 2014 12: 47
      +8
      Have you tried 3 km in 10 minutes to run? The world record is 7 minutes 20 seconds.
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 January 2014 15: 47
        +2
        Quote: Oleg56.ru
        Have you tried 3 km in 10 minutes to run?

        Better march to 10 km.
    5. IRBIS
      IRBIS 13 January 2014 13: 49
      +2
      Quote: bistrov.
      At least three kilometers, and at a good pace, the result should not go beyond the limit of 10 minutes.

      Even in the CA there were no such standards. Such time at "three rubles" is the lot of athletes.
      1. edeligor
        edeligor 13 January 2014 15: 09
        0
        Quote: IRBIS
        Such time at "three rubles" is the lot of athletes.

        This guy was probably in some kind of super duper special unit. 3 adults 3 km-10.20, 2 adults -9.20
    6. edeligor
      edeligor 13 January 2014 15: 04
      +3
      Quote: bistrov.
      At one time, in one minute, I easily performed 120 full push-ups.

      laughing Admit it, wishful thinking. But I understand you "in our time, and porridge was rich and busty women!" wink
    7. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 17: 34
      +4
      3 km in 10 minutes is a serious pace.
      or 90 pushups per minute
      Why is everyone in the army need him?
      Have you often seen women - military personnel, even the best, who are so push-ups?
      The purpose of the exercises is to understand whether
      the body can withstand a prolonged load, and not jump to the moon.
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    9. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 13 January 2014 21: 47
      +1
      Yes, you cho! laughing SchA will be bumped into the floor and even lower!
      Bogatyrs have always served in our army. Unfortunately, there have always been much more "haymakers" in it! And the art of a pitiful song about the main thing was lifted by them to shining heights! You listen to this, and you want to fall into his legs. With a cry - yes, darling, yes! You don't need to run to exercise, of course! Your work corn, because of which you can't see rickety legs, this is a battle wound and is good for the Motherland!
      There should be reasonable age standards. It is possible by rank, but in this case the standard should be tougher with each step, and not at all softer. Combat injuries and injuries should be considered. Everything. If a person cannot keep his own body in shape, he cannot command others in any way, this is ridiculous. Do you have to pay for an officer, whose full authority is epaulettes, with blood, or are there any objections? Does man only deal with technology? And she is so terribly complicated that he learns to work with her, repairs it, cherishes and cherishes 20 hours a day, so that there is no charge for half an hour? (I won’t ask what kind of equipment this is. and why we have not yet defeated the whole world with such a superweapon, I won’t either. It's all secret, I understand). Well then fine...
      Here are just a man who can’t get up to exercise does not have the minimum moral and volitional qualities. War is when the strength of the people of one side surpasses the strength of the people of the other. And bombs, machine guns, tanks, planes, this is only later. You can’t overcome yourself in a trifle. Are you going to overcome the enemy in the fight? Oh well. It’s scary for me to imagine something at the controls of our most sophisticated military equipment wimps ....
  9. hell hell
    hell hell 13 January 2014 12: 20
    +6
    The people loved Zhukov. And Zhukov immediately began to restore order in the army. What was in the upper echelons, of course, we did not know, but we felt one of his innovations on ourselves right away. Zhukov announced that the current officers have lost their physical fitness and will not be able to fulfill their duties in combat conditions. Therefore, an order was issued according to which all officers, regardless of position, rank and occupation, were required to engage in physical training daily for an hour.

    And the first hour of the working day should now begin with physical education. Compulsory physical education was also introduced in Zagorsk. Now the working day began an hour earlier. We ran to the sports ground, did exercises, ran, jumped, overcame obstacles, played volleyball, football. Then he was given an hour to put himself in order and for breakfast. But this came at the expense of personal time. Then we went to work. We didn’t have a gym and we were engaged exclusively in the open air. Which, in general, was not bad.

    Marshals also had to do physical training. Their group Zhukov led himself. Classes were held at the Sports Palace of CSKA. Marshals did not like this very much. Particularly obese R.Ya. Malinovsky.
    I read all this and I don’t find a single word about money. ORDER and period
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 13 January 2014 12: 55
      +8
      Quote: ow hell
      I read all this and I don’t find a single word about money. ORDER and period

      You see, then it was believed that the officer already had enough benefits. The state dressed him, put on shoes, gave him housing, paid him good money, at that time he could afford to dine in a restaurant and had to (according to the then unwritten rules, the officer could not to go to some dining room, snack bar, or tea room, even appear on the street with a string bag, the present package, was considered a violation of etiquette, for this you could easily clatter to the commandant’s office) All this, in the light of not such an old victory, warmed up and worked for prestige officer and military profession and was entirely justified. But ordinary people then lived incredibly hard, especially in rural areas. Housing, ordinary simple things, was sorely lacking. Against this general background, the life of the military stood out, especially in large cities. Of course, this did not apply to distant garrisons, where they had their own rules.
      1. Gregazov
        Gregazov 13 January 2014 14: 51
        +1
        Even in small garrisons, officers were provided with FURNITURE housing. To each table, chair, etc. a number tag was hung. My mother told me this too. And her parents had only two beds from furniture, a table, a stool and a hanger.
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 January 2014 15: 50
          -1
          Quote: GregAzov
          Even in small garrisons, officers were provided with FURNITURE housing.

          and in my unit there was government furniture in a hostel and not in Soviet times. If you want to put your sofa on, hand it over according to the act, the "local" bed.
      2. hell hell
        hell hell 13 January 2014 17: 41
        -1
        The officer of the SOVIET time and present Russia are two huge differences. Now everything is for money, like prostitutes.
        1. servant.
          servant. 13 January 2014 17: 55
          0
          Quote: ow hell
          The officer of the SOVIET time and present Russia are two huge differences. Now everything is for money, like prostitutes.

          But didn’t they pay officers a salary in the union?
          And how much was the salary of a Soviet officer in charge of graduation when the salary of an ordinary engineer in civilian life was 120 rubles?
          But what about the thirteenth salary in the union?
          And the officers didn’t give apartments for demobilization?
          There were enough prostitutes both at the All-Union Union and at all times .....
          1. Akim
            Akim 13 January 2014 18: 04
            0
            Quote: serviceman.
            And how much was the salary of a Soviet officer in charge of graduation when the salary of an ordinary engineer in civilian life was 120 rubles?

            Depending on the position, 220-240 rubles.
            1. servant.
              servant. 13 January 2014 18: 10
              +1
              That's right! The idea was supported by a powerful monetary incentive!
              What is wrong with paying a relatively decent salary now?
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    3. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 January 2014 15: 28
      +2
      hell hell

      In response to your post, I will allow myself to remind the head of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces B.M. Shaposhnikov (he began his service under the tsar, the author of the book "The Brain of the Army"), who left his post due to a serious illness.

      "With his direct participation, proposals were developed for the preparation and conduct of the Red Army's counteroffensive in the winter of 1941-1942.

      From May 1942 of the year to June 1943 of the year - Deputy Commissar of Defense of the USSR. In June 1943, he was appointed head of the Military Academy of the General Staff.

      He died of a serious illness, 44 days before the Victory. "
      (CPSU)

      And something his physical condition did not affect the service.
      Or did he also have to be forced to engage in FIZO according to Zhukov’s standards? Otherwise, he would have served worse at his post?
      1. qwertynsan
        qwertynsan 14 January 2014 08: 14
        0
        And something his physical condition did not affect the service.
        Or did he also have to be forced to engage in FIZO according to Zhukov’s standards? Otherwise, he would have served worse at his post?


        And what would be worse if he was physically healthy?
  10. makarov
    makarov 13 January 2014 12: 26
    +4
    something I have not heard in my entire life that they would have fired at least one general for the failure of the physio credits !!!
    1. Gregazov
      Gregazov 13 January 2014 14: 53
      +3
      They did not fire me, they called me to the attestation commission and they warned me of incomplete official compliance. After that, he quit due to health reasons for a year. Position - Head of the Department of Electro-radio circuits, had a military injury.
  11. operrus
    operrus 13 January 2014 12: 37
    0
    What is wrong with monetary stimulation, a person has done a good job keep a premium, the better you do the higher it is. Maybe soon pregnant officers and generals will not be. Such standards need to be introduced in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other law enforcement agencies, with good initiative comrade Shoigu.
    1. servant.
      servant. 13 January 2014 12: 42
      +1
      Serdyukov! Shoigu is out of business here!
    2. Slavs69
      Slavs69 13 January 2014 19: 57
      0
      Quote: operrus
      Such standards must be introduced in the Ministry of Internal Affairs

      They have already been introduced since 2012. Also a ball system. For your age you need to score the appropriate number of points. Are handed over at: transfer to a higher position, confirmation or delivery to class, extraordinary certification, final six-month check. Special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs do not have a gradation for age, but is divided by weight - up to 85 kg and over 85 kg. and you need to score more points, no matter what position.
  12. Alex66
    Alex66 13 January 2014 12: 37
    +7
    It wouldn’t be a bad thing to start with schools, daily physical training classes, because there aren’t many sections now, and paid ones sit in front of computers and gain weight.
    1. Ustian
      Ustian 13 January 2014 15: 21
      +2
      Quote: Alex66
      Not bad from schools start, daily physical training classes, because there are not many sections now, and paid ones are sitting in front of computers, and they are gaining weight.

      But do not forget about the Spirit + Classes on Patriotic education!
  13. s1н7т
    s1н7т 13 January 2014 12: 39
    +3
    Che-that did not find in the article "binding" to the requirements of the battle. Fizeau and Fizeau. News - from the finger, if only it was? Like, is there any reason to be happy? Interestingly, but 100% for the military-applied type 1 time, or if I have a CCM for 3 types, will they add 300%?
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 13 January 2014 18: 54
      +3
      Quote: c1n7
      Interestingly, but 100% for a military-applied kind 1 time, or if I am a CCM for 3 types, then 300% will be added?


      Not about that. No matter how at first they accrued for three species, and then, after about a year, after taking the valuable instructions and explanations, they took it and collected what you overpaid from you.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 13 January 2014 21: 40
        +2
        Quote: Hudo
        charge with laughing You

        And what will become of ours!
  14. servant.
    servant. 13 January 2014 12: 41
    +1
    Well, this innovation was introduced by Serdyukov about 4 years ago.
  15. kudwar68
    kudwar68 13 January 2014 13: 00
    +3
    Article one, but what I really see. "Demobels" come from the army as dry ones, as they went to the army, a year later they come the same. Absolutely no sports training. Only in the Airborne Forces and Special Forces enhanced combat and sports training.
    1. servant.
      servant. 13 January 2014 13: 13
      +6
      Dust particles are being blown away from the fighters, God forbid, they will pull a leg or scratch a finger .... What kind of physical training is there ....
      1. lukke
        lukke 13 January 2014 13: 43
        +5
        And because the platoon, company, battalion commander is now afraid of his own shadow - what happened to a soldier not even his fault - such a howl rises from the committee of soldiers' mothers to the military prosecutor’s office. The standards remained the same from Soviet times, and the draftee went to say the least, at the level of the prefix Dandy
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    2. Patton5
      Patton5 14 January 2014 02: 15
      +1
      He served in the BB, every morning on exercises, running at least 6 km, squats, push-ups (necessarily synchronously with the whole company)))), etc. and even drill before the loss of soles, feeding "water diluted with water" without salt))) .... went to the army weight 89kg demobilized 72kg, Mother cried when she saw lol. Times, of course, are different now but nonetheless ......
  16. chenia
    chenia 13 January 2014 13: 28
    +1
    Quote: KPA
    In our school, in our company, an experiment in hand-to-hand combat was introduced. Each of them should have a duel, once a year. This greatly improved the atmosphere and coherence.


    It is necessary to fundamentally change FIZO.

    It is mandatory to introduce officer combat in VU (a mixture of kickboxing and sambo, (in aviation you can’t only beat on the head)) and work according to the methodology of a sports school. Everything else obshchefiz - will follow.

    After the end of the VU, the officer should be no less than the CCM. And all this is compulsory.

    In the FIZO troops every day at least 3 hours - here the commander can already act as an instructor.

    Introduce a substantial surcharge (up to 70%) for classiness, where one of the components of the FIZO
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 January 2014 14: 49
      +7
      chenia


      "After graduating from military training, an officer must be no less than a CCM. And this is all compulsory."


      Why not a master of sports ???

      Do you ever think about what to write!
      FIZO is not an end in itself, but a means to an end and by no means the most important thing.

      And the goal is to defeat the enemy, and not get the title of CCM!

      And you can fight not only with your muscles, but also with your brains.
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    3. Akim
      Akim 13 January 2014 15: 56
      +3
      Quote: chenia
      After the end of the VU, the officer should be no less than the CCM. And all this is compulsory.

      This is similar to Soviet: any officer is a party member. CCM is not given to everyone. For example, I had a maximum of 1 category in the Republic of Belarus, and someone did not. And they did not cease to be good officers.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 13 January 2014 22: 03
        0
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: chenia
        After the end of the VU, the officer should be no less than the CCM. And all this is compulsory.

        It looks like a Soviet one: any officer is a party member. CCM is not given to everyone. For example, I had a maximum of 1 category in the Republic of Belarus, but someone did not. And they did not stop being good officers.

        Do not understand. In my time, there was a requirement in the Higher Education Institutions - for graduation you must have 1 CCM, 2-3 1x-2 categories. Not necessarily RB. I had 2 CCMs for graduation - for military-applied, CCM for RB already in the army. So everything is real, there would be a desire. Well, it is necessary to consider the VUS - to whom to lean on RB, and to whom - on chess laughing
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 January 2014 22: 30
          0
          Quote: c1n7
          Well, it is also necessary to consider the VUS - who should lean on RB and whom - on chess

          And I did not mean only hand-to-hand combat. There is a lot. And all-around and armwrestling and military applied and gymnastics, etc. Besides, not everyone did it. Passed the state. on "good" or "excellent", this should be enough for a long time. After all, it's not about the ranks. How many lieutenants-athletes drink too much, because they got the distribution "in the wrong place." I also mowed at the institute, leaving for training camps and competitions. True in moderation. And these CCMs and Masters were constantly absent. And what can they besides this on release?
          Sport should be within. And desire should not disappear. So that even for 35 on the beach, girls were led to your cubes and cans, and not be proud of the beer belly.
          Here artillery officers in this well done of course. They respect you. And many without ranks. But with the brains of mathematicians and the body of Poddubny.
          1. s1н7т
            s1н7т 13 January 2014 23: 46
            0
            Quote: Akim
            How many lieutenants-athletes drink too much, because they got the distribution "in the wrong place."

            There is no "wrong way" distribution. Received shoulder straps - serve where ordered, however. An alternative is some institution of noble maidens laughing My friend after graduation generally ended up in the mining and artillery squadron to serve - can you imagine? laughing Nothing, to demobilization - intelligence, "blue" uniform, awards for different "points". This is who went to school for what. I got drunk from graduation company No. 1, yes, but, it is true, in civilian life already, after being laid off.
            1. Akim
              Akim 14 January 2014 00: 20
              +1
              Quote: c1n7
              I got drunk from graduation company 1, yes, but, albeit, in a civilian, after the reduction.

              From Bolgrad, from Novograd-Volynsky, from Zhytomyr, the packs were sent for dismissal. Especially the nerds, who were sitting at the institute without self-propelled guns and flying, and in summer, felt a will. What about the athletes. They counted on preferential places - to remain at the department or to get to the district headquarters (operational command). And then a bummer. The commander of a remvzvoda or airmobile, with the prospect of hell where to transfer. And the subtle psyche does not withstand the pumped muscles.
    4. s1н7т
      s1н7т 13 January 2014 21: 57
      +2
      Quote: chenia
      In the FIZO troops daily for at least 3 hours

      Good idea, but have you seen the Schedule of classes? I, of course, lagged behind life, but besides physo, there are also a lot of special items, so even with a 2-year service, the personnel barely managed to master something. And I'm talking about the VUS "Airborne Intelligence Service" and "Special Intelligence Airborne Forces". So 3 hours of fizo a day is TOO fat! True, there was such a thing: "If you want to become a scout, I will help you" - we trained with the soldiers at any free time, even after lights out. I'm not talking about "passing training". In short, everything depends on the commanders. Mine, in my 40 years, who are engaged in mountaineering, who are still fighting - I am proud of the devils! hi
  17. operator35
    operator35 13 January 2014 13: 31
    +13
    the question is, we have what’s in fire, what’s in tactics, what’s physically a bunch of standards, offsets, numbers, plans, etc. And where is the preparation technique ???? Where are the training programs ???
    I know on this site they are very fond of foreign special forces to swear and admire our GREAT. So, unlike ours, there the "fools" have programs and training methods, gyms, trainers, sports nutrition. and ours can only demand. yes there is a physical instructor, but if he is a good athlete, it does not mean that he is a good methodologist. Therefore, in our special forces, guys at the age of 28-30 become "disabled" - ligaments, joints, heart fly ... because the veins are wound around the fist. I know this because I see it with my own eyes.
    let's begin to appreciate our guys, head over to everything and not complicate thoughtlessly ...
    1. avg
      avg 13 January 2014 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: operator35
      I know on this site they are very fond of foreign special forces to swear and admire our GREAT. So, unlike ours, there the "fools" have programs and training methods, gyms, trainers, sports nutrition. and ours can only demand.

      Where did it all go? And there are all norms and programs and methods, or do you think that now all have become pioneers. Compare standards for physical. preparation of the SA and VSK norms with the norms of American special forces and you will understand why, when calculating the combat potentials, the Americans took our soldier as a unit, and the rest were evaluated below (of course, not only for physically). And in our special forces, all classes were built according to the methodology and instructors conducted classes. And then most of the salaries were conscripts. For example, in the ORB only in the company of deep intelligence crickets, and then there were warrant officers. Well, in the Special Forces of the GRU, respectively. By the way, those ridiculous standards for push-ups from the floor that I saw in the article are called a step back.
      And if only we were paid for physically and classy grandmas. Here I am like a cat, dreamily squint repeat
      1. operator35
        operator35 13 January 2014 16: 48
        0
        in more detail about the GRU, please, for 9 years of service there somehow I missed the technique ....
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 13 January 2014 22: 17
          0
          Quote: operator35
          in more detail about the GRU, please, for 9 years of service there somehow I missed the technique ....

          Would you like to say that 9 years of service with you, training in subjects was carried out "from the bulldozer" ?! And the VDS-nickname sucked the program out of his finger, and according to the MTD they immediately gave you OZM-72, and immediately passed the "tests" on the TSP ?! Laughing! laughing
          1. operator35
            operator35 13 January 2014 23: 39
            0
            we are generally talking about physo, but you want to present ???
            1. s1н7т
              s1н7т 14 January 2014 10: 23
              +1
              Quote: operator35
              we are generally talking about physo, but you want to present ???

              I am not "presenting" anything, colleague, I just want to draw your attention to the fact that since 1919 in the Red Army, the SA and, probably, in the RF Armed Forces, all physical classes should be conducted exclusively on the basis of NFP as a basic guide to the content and methodology teaching this discipline. If somewhere this is not so, then this is clearly a violation on the conscience of the fathers-commanders. Where increased requirements for physical therapy are imposed, NFP is a mandatory minimum, in which the technique is laid down. For example, in the book "Manual on physical training in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (NFP-2009)" there is a section - "Means, methods and forms of physical training." What do you think? hi
        2. avg
          avg 13 January 2014 22: 21
          0
          Quote: operator35
          in more detail about the GRU, please, for 9 years of service there somehow I missed the technique ....

          The fact that you missed the technique is evident. I advise you to start with any NFP. For details on the GRU, contact the Specialist, as a rule, it helps. wink
          1. operator35
            operator35 13 January 2014 23: 41
            -1
            and where is the training technique in NFP once you are so wise ????
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    3. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 17: 07
      0
      I completely agree - we do not consider it necessary to spare the soldiers' health.
      I remember there were disputes about what cross-country runs should be in - kirsachs or normal shoes.
      If someone ran in boots for at least 5 km, but in a gas mask, and under the sun, when in the shade of +30, he will understand. The fighting calculation can not even be mentioned.
  18. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 13: 35
    0
    At our school, the track-and-field "Mashka" (so-called) was held. Every year. The circle was 3 km. Each course exhibited 20 runners. The uniform was cotton, boots. The record for 3 km was 11.43. The main thing was to know the tactics of running. Two steps - inhale, two steps - exhale. And work with your hands, hands, not into a fist, but freely, although this does not apply to marches.
    1. operator35
      operator35 13 January 2014 13: 41
      +2
      Dmitry, here is 105 kg of meat in me. I can carry iron and backpacks in the mountains when surrendering in the pool or a jerk of a kettlebell is no problem, but I never ran faster than 13.20. but this is not anyone .. t. set 15 points and free.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 13 January 2014 22: 28
        0
        Quote: operator35
        but I never ran faster than 13.20. but this is not anyone .. t. set 15 points and free

        Well, here, on the one hand, the speed of the group on the march is about 3 km / h, on the other hand, you never have to make a jerk - but what is behind the group? You know, go. Therefore, different troops have their own requirements, however. And here - either we fit into these requirements, or we honestly serve in other troops.
    2. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 17: 30
      0
      each has its own rhythm.
      I have an average pace of 3 + 3 for many years. And I would recommend at least at the start to breathe only through the nose. If, like a fish with gills, you immediately grab it with your open mouth, there may be some difficulties. For example, the throat does not have time to warm up and catch a cold.
    3. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 17: 30
      0
      each has its own rhythm.
      I have an average pace of 3 + 3 for many years. And I would recommend at least at the start to breathe only through the nose. If, like a fish with gills, you immediately grab it with your open mouth, there may be some difficulties. For example, the throat does not have time to warm up and catch a cold.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 13 January 2014 22: 34
        0
        Once taught: at a long distance 3 breaths, 5 exhalations. Inhale only through the nose, exhale through the mouth. From start to finish. I’m still running like this. Never caught a cold laughing
  19. operator35
    operator35 13 January 2014 13: 38
    +5
    well, all this is a monetary incentive when you sit constantly in the PDP, but when you arrive from a business trip from another time zone at 23 o’clock, the next day at 12 o’clock you go to take a physo. what result did the group have, guess ??? but nobody will give you a retake - the Nachfiz strictly complies with the directive ... and that’s all, without additional denyushki we’ve spent a whole year. Fair ???
  20. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 14: 26
    +1
    Quote: operator35
    Dmitry, here is 105 kg of meat in me. I can carry iron and backpacks in the mountains when surrendering in the pool or a jerk of a kettlebell is no problem, but I never ran faster than 13.20. but this is not anyone .. t. set 15 points and free.

    So not everyone can carry iron. Someone should be quick as a haircut. Endurance should unite everyone. You seem to be in this path. Respectfully. hi
    1. operator35
      operator35 13 January 2014 15: 13
      +5
      I agree with you all 200%. But here are a couple of points - let’s say the kettlebell jerk is divided as follows - guys up to 70 kg in weight perform an exercise with 16 kg, and all who are heavier with 24 kg. now back to running - everyone is equal there, that is, I have to run the same way as an employee who weighs 70 kg ??? why didn’t I see such a variation in weight at the World Championships in Athletics))) I mean that I have to head to the standards and everything else ... or here I have a friend, 42 years old is an excellent special, but can’t swim and afraid they drowned him in childhood. Well, he doesn’t know how to swim - it does not get worse as a professional in his field. and what - in the pool always gets 0 points, the answer is nachfisa - go study in your free time. So, the nachfiz and physical instructors are needed only to stand on the change with a stopwatch ??? I’m a shooting instructor - I’m not telling anyone, go learn to shoot at a civil shooting range in your free time. Therefore, the problem is global - the generals who are absolutely not thinking, to whom they would only report, have accepted the ball system and that’s all. we need methodologists, training methods, gyms, pools, sports nutrition, doctors - NEED A SYSTEM. in our country, for some reason, they always try to solve the problem with one of the elements of this system, and as a result, unfortunately ordinary people suffer ..
  21. kelevra
    kelevra 13 January 2014 14: 35
    0
    It is quite logical!
  22. maestro123
    maestro123 13 January 2014 14: 43
    +1
    We somehow changed the entire regiment into conscripts to surrender swimming with weapons.
    Which boss needs 2s?
    First you need to enter a well-planned physical training, give time to build muscle, and then demand.

    PS French Legion hi
  23. maestro123
    maestro123 13 January 2014 14: 49
    +3
    One question. In place of the one who did not pass the standards for FIZO, will they replace the storerooms?
    How is the sport? soldier
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 January 2014 14: 58
      0
      maestro123

      Well yes!

      For some, sports companies are needed.
    3. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 15: 01
      0
      No, more like "mattresses".
  24. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 13 January 2014 15: 01
    +3
    Again we are stepping on a rake, the "maestro" is right - first, it is necessary to introduce competently planned physical training. and not put a special forces soldier and a staff scientist on the same line, as physical instructors do. Even in modern realities, he will not change one another, because he cannot!
    1. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 15: 26
      +1
      for special forces their own norms. checking them is generally little sense.
      and most military personnel MUST at least not be a heavy burden in the field!

      besides, if the head wise men themselves run, they won’t do
      idiotic directives like gas mask shooting or poor nutrition
      and more realistically approach the training of troops.
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      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 13 January 2014 16: 18
        0
        yehat

        What is your interesting, and most importantly reasoned logic!
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  25. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 15: 03
    0
    If an officer doesn’t just pass the standard (and the time of the standard is not God knows what complexity), then what kind of sherry does he even exist in the Army? am
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 January 2014 15: 15
      +2
      dmitrij.blyuz

      You see, the army exists to fight the enemy.

      So - absolutely not important how will you send this enemy to the forefathers: strangle him with trained muscles (having the title of CCM or master of sports, having previously shown the enemy your ID), shooting him with a Kalash (where physical standards are of little use, excluding RB-1 and RB-2) by planning a talented military operation (where they are not applicable at all) or by pressing the "START" button on the ICBM control panel (a disabled person without legs, but with brains in his head, can cope with this).

      This, of course, is exaggerated and generalized, but in fact, I think, not far from the truth.

      Or do you think that only officers of the Airborne Forces and GRU special forces serve in the army?

      For some, FIZO is part of the military profession, but for some it is not.
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 15: 56
        0
        And yet. If you know, for each kind of troops there are their own physical standards. If you don’t know, take an interest.
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        2. aviamed90
          aviamed90 13 January 2014 16: 21
          +1
          dmitrij.blyuz

          I know.

          But this does not explain the FIZO approach to all military specialties in the same way (even dividing them by type and type of army).

          As you know, even in the Airborne Forces there are staff workers, and in the GRU there are military analysts and agents abroad.
          1. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 17: 49
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            What are you fixated on the FSB and the GRU? Let it be known to you that staff workers have their own standards, and not frail enough. Read carefully my comment above. And it turns out, I'm talking about Thomas, you are talking about Yerema. And inappropriately, I poke milk like a kitten. It seems that I’ve not only served you, but also physically developed.
      2. SIT
        SIT 14 January 2014 11: 52
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        Quote: aviamed90
        or by pressing the "START" button on the ICBM control panel (a disabled person without legs, but with brains in his head, can cope with this).

        In ancient times, when Rezun had not yet written his Aquarium, and the word special forces did not apply to all that is possible and impossible, one of the main tasks for which the Special Forces units were created was the destruction of the ICBM launch complexes. Yes, security, yes TCO, but for that and trained to get around it or destroy it. Here the last line of defense was just the duty crew. You can of course not teach them anything, but if they want to live a little longer, then let them take the time and do the fire, physically, and RB themselves. Although, of course, it would be wiser to train them specifically in the conditions in which these skills will have to be applied. It is better, of course, to prevent this from happening, pah, pah, pah, but if it does, then SPNs know their work and know that they have a one-way ticket. It’s not easy to fight such a thing ...
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  26. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 13 January 2014 15: 17
    +2
    Quote: bistrov.
    Quote: ow hell
    I read all this and I don’t find a single word about money. ORDER and period

    You see, then it was believed that the officer already had enough benefits. The state dressed him, put on shoes, gave him housing, paid him good money, at that time he could afford to dine in a restaurant and had to (according to the then unwritten rules, the officer could not go to some dining room, diner, or tea room, even appearing on the street with a string bag, the current package, was considered a violation of etiquette, for this you could easily rattle into the commandant’s office) All this, in the light of not such a long-standing victory, warmed up and worked for the prestige of the officer and the military profession and was entirely justified. But ordinary people then lived incredibly hard, especially in rural areas. Housing, ordinary simple things, was sorely lacking. Against this general background, the life of the military stood out, especially in large cities. Of course, this did not apply to distant garrisons, where they had their own rules.

    I remember in the mid-80s I in uniform with my wife went to the store, I immediately warn her, don’t dial a lot, but she, I know, I know, I’ll have to drag it myself. But a diplomat can.
  27. propolsky
    propolsky 13 January 2014 15: 22
    +2
    Each branch of the army must surrender its direction: which pilot or seaman must run 10 km on rough terrain or air defense to sail? In some cases, this may come in handy, but on the scale of future battles - a dummy.
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 13 January 2014 15: 47
      +2
      I beg to differ. General physical training for that and preparation. And especially for the pilot. Look, stamina came in handy for Maresyev. there is no need for pilots to pull 2 ​​pound weights.
      And if there is an opportunity in the army to learn to swim, what’s bad in this, even for air defense. As for swimming, in the places where I served, the greatest probability of defeat was from the destruction of the dam with a couple of WTO missiles. and that’s it. 2-3 weeks of loss of combat capability with all that it implies.
      So, in a healthy body - a healthy mind. no one will object to this.
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      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 13 January 2014 16: 24
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        Muadipus

        You confuse physical exercise in the morning, the physical training of a soldier, and special training of the Airborne Forces.
    2. SIT
      SIT 14 January 2014 12: 01
      +1
      Quote: propolsky
      which pilot or moreman run 10 km on rough terrain

      The most expensive equipment on the plane is the pilot. It needs to be cooked normally for 5 years. According to this, if the plane is shot down, the pilot must have all the skills to survive, disguise, covert movement both day and night, so that he could go out to his own or wait for the turntable to evacuate. As for the naval, look at who formed the part of the marine corps in the Second World War and the most surprising in the 1st Chechen.
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  28. yehat
    yehat 13 January 2014 15: 25
    -2
    what ridiculous norms?
    run 1 km? girls at school and university offer 3 run!
    do we have an officer who is 3 times less hardy than an ordinary girl ???

    at least 3 km in 12 minutes. running and it’s very, very simple!
    most students can run like this without any training at all.
    endurance is very important in the army. I would cross for at least 5 km and be sure to
    running without stopping 18-20 km (with a simple standard) with the mandatory measurement of heart rate along the course or at the finish line (so that there are no heroes who can crawl with useless jelly)

    physical training will perforce be beneficial for morality and spirit.
  29. maestro123
    maestro123 13 January 2014 15: 29
    +1
    Quote: Kolyan 2
    But a diplomat can.

    And it contains the entire officer set. laughing
    Also, you can not wear an umbrella.
  30. rocketman
    rocketman 13 January 2014 15: 35
    +7
    Quote: maestro123
    One question. In place of the one who has not passed the standards for FIZO, they will replace the storerooms? As in sports?

    And it is unknown. Saving the budget will be ...
    I understand that you need to encourage excellent students. Why strip losers of the prize? What are their families to blame?
    The second one. In Ukraine, as well as in Russia, the infantry plays the first violin in matters of physics. But the army is not only infantry and paratroopers. There are also officers from command posts who are on duty for a day or two, operators, sailors (crew) in the end. They also physically surrender as paratroopers? So my opinion is that there should be an integrated approach. And then to my friend, a first-class pilot, included in the rapid reaction force, the inspection offered to hand over physically according to special forces - pull up 20 times. Many of you will catch up 20 times, if you are already over forty, you are a valuable specialist, in which the country has invested millions, you did not catch up - went to the fix - we will prepare a new one. and again millions for oxygen.
    Hence the third conclusion is by age. Ask any doctor - after 35 years there are no healthy ones, only poorly examined. In the body of any person after 40 years, irreversible changes occur. Let's drive him to death, but for the sake of physical education we will fulfill the standard - who will feel better from this - the Motherland? Or here’s what they did from the head department — a man was injured in military service, he was injured by his health — so down with him, although he is in a position that does not determine combat readiness. He transferred his experience, and his fix. Is there any benefit from this homeland? No, this is sabotage.
    and another joke. As I understand it, only in our armies do officers aspire to age ASAP as quickly as possible - then, according to the delivery standards, they turn from troechniks into excellent students. I myself am like that. drinks
    1. maestro123
      maestro123 13 January 2014 15: 51
      0
      I absolutely agree with you! drinks
    2. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 16: 50
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      Quote: rocketman Or here’s what they did from the head of the department — a man was injured in military service, he was injured in health - so down with him, although he is in a position that does not determine combat readiness. He transferred his experience, and his fix. Is there any benefit from this homeland? [/ quote

      he can serve, but in reserve, without military service, with the social rights of an ordinary civilian. Because he is no longer a military officer.
    3. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 16: 50
      0
      Quote: rocketman Or here’s what they did from the head of the department — a man was injured in military service, he was injured in health - so down with him, although he is in a position that does not determine combat readiness. He transferred his experience, and his fix. Is there any benefit from this homeland? [/ quote

      he can serve, but in reserve, without military service, with the social rights of an ordinary civilian. Because he is no longer a military officer.
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  31. podolski_cky
    podolski_cky 13 January 2014 15: 38
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    whom whom, and other officers need to be driven by simpler soldiers, otherwise you won’t look without tears
    1. waisson
      waisson 13 January 2014 20: 14
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      especially staff soldier
  32. Muadipus
    Muadipus 13 January 2014 15: 39
    +1
    I remembered my service. when the main physical training consisted of clearing snow on the parade ground. "Take more, throw further, rest while it flies", and then cross 5 km in full gear. (5 km more by god). and the tests all boiled down to the knowledge of free exercise complexes and a pair of elements on the uneven bars and a crossbar.
  33. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 15: 50
    +1
    Quote: aviamed90
    dmitrij.blyuz

    You see, the army exists to fight the enemy.

    So - absolutely not important how will you send this enemy to the forefathers: strangle him with trained muscles (having the title of CCM or master of sports, having previously shown the enemy your ID), shooting him with a Kalash (where physical standards are of little use, excluding RB-1 and RB-2) by planning a talented military operation (where they are not applicable at all) or by pressing the "START" button on the ICBM control panel (a disabled person without legs, but with brains in his head, can cope with this).

    This, of course, is exaggerated and generalized, but in fact, I think, not far from the truth.

    Or do you think that only officers of the Airborne Forces and GRU special forces serve in the army?

    For some, FIZO is part of the military profession, but for some it is not.

    I believe that the officer should be physically prepared. It doesn’t matter how. But in order to overwhelm the enemy (I’m not exaggerating), you have to be skilled. It doesn’t matter what kind of troops. The Airborne Forces and the GRU are the elite. I’m talking about ordinary troops. key and press the button. There are no brains in this. And why the hell do you need people in the Army who cannot stand at least a couple of kilometers of easy running around the stadium? Eternal dyspnea is not the best way of military service. If you are one of those, I sympathize with you. We are with the guys, reserve officers. We are almost 50. We did not serve in special units. However, we still jump from Mi-8 at least once a month. We constantly rummage around. Nowadays young people just whine a heavy machine gun, sometimes they want some water, sometimes they parachute. I feel sorry for you. No more.
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 January 2014 16: 38
      +5
      dmitrij.blyuz

      I have no less service in the army than you.
      So I do not accept sympathy.

      And about: "A legless man can turn the key and press the button. You don't need a lot of brains." - you're not right.
      This is where brains and very good brains are needed!

      "And why the goblin need people in the Army who cannot withstand at least a couple of kilometers of easy running around the stadium?"

      But why the hell in the Army need people only to do that running around the stadiums, but not fluent in their military specialty?
      Or the ability to run 2-3 km in the stadium for you is a measure of professionalism?
      And once again I say: for someone it is important, but for someone it is not.

      As for me personally, I also had good physical training at one time. Because they prepared us for action in Afghanistan as a PAN. And it was necessary and justified.
      But invite me to go through all this in my 50 years? What's the point of this? Although the professional experience in my specialty is higher than the roof.

      And for me and for the service now, it’s not your 3 km and the time for which I ran them that matters, but how I will direct the planes while sitting in a protected bunker (and this requires brains).

      So not everything is so simple. And many will agree with me.
      1. yehat
        yehat 13 January 2014 17: 04
        -2
        and how do you run to the bunker in case of war?
        in the army, are wheelchairs with electric motors permitted in the charter?
      2. yehat
        yehat 13 January 2014 17: 04
        0
        and how do you run to the bunker in case of war?
        in the army, are wheelchairs with electric motors permitted in the charter?
      3. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 18: 03
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        In your opinion, physically absolute evil for the Army (especially the headquarters and foreign intelligence). I used to be well prepared too. And you exaggerate by running around the stadium, but you don’t know perfectly. Ohrenet. Well. Sit in the bunker and aim planes, although the aircraft-navigator, along with reconnaissance is on. And he has brains. And you already lost yourself, at your 50. In the Airborne Forces (by the way, about looping), officers and at 55 with a parachute they jump and marches. It’s not interesting with you. I have the honor.
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        2. aviamed90
          aviamed90 14 January 2014 10: 08
          +1
          dmitrij.blyuz

          Who told you that I am against FIZO in the army?

          Where did I write this?

          I just want to convey that everything has its time and place. Including FIZO.
          For some military specialties, this is necessary, but for some it is enough UVZ, for a few, special training in FIZO is needed. And you mow all under one comb.
          And right, it is necessary to distinguish between the physical training of a soldier (officer) in the troops (by type and type), UFZ, and special physical training.

          In addition, age should be considered. And it’s completely stupid to tie the passing of the standards on physical and physical education to money. I'm against it. After all, there are other incentives.

          As for the one who lost himself, he did not understand.
          In your opinion, if at 50 years old I do not pull myself up on the horizontal bar for the standard, should I be fired? And in my place to put a young man who knows how to pull himself up, but "zero" as a professional?
          And I'm not worthy of respect?

          Is this your approach to people?
          So we will lose quickly!

          As for the bunker, I gave you an example when an officer with the same military control unit performs tasks that are different in physical load.
          While young - you can run PAN and sit in the bunker, but you can’t appoint an elderly person in PAN.

          As for someone who is interested with someone, it’s mutual - I’m also not interested when they are talking the same thing without any arguments, and they believe that only the FIZO can save the army from all troubles and plunge the enemy into a stampede.

          In addition to FIZO, there is still a mass of disciplines on which the combat effectiveness of the army depends. And FIZO is just one of them. Only you need to approach her individually.

          I have the honor.
    3. Alez
      Alez 14 January 2014 07: 35
      +1
      No wonder they say in a healthy body a healthy mind. He who wants will strive for physical and mental perfection. Who does not want to come up with excuses.
  34. calocha
    calocha 13 January 2014 16: 08
    0
    If SAMBO had been introduced from the school bench, it would have been great at all. As in China, Wushu is a national appearance, or as Thai-Muay Thai ... And so great news, glad!)
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    2. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 17: 01
      +1
      in Wushu, Wushu gymnastics is a national form
      As for Wushu itself, this species, on the contrary, is uprooted from the nation by red-hot iron.
  35. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 13 January 2014 16: 15
    0
    "fitness level is not an end in itself, but a way to successfully complete a task ...
    It should be a system with daily training sessions, not just time trial runs. "
    physical training should be done REGULAR, classes should be carried out by INSTRUCTORS, they should not obey the unit commander, and should not be inspectors, then even 2 times a week for 2 hours would be nice, an hour for warm-up and general physical fitness, an hour for hand-to-hand combat or whatever it was established that although the battle of the Nanai boys, otherwise the soldier himself is responsible for his physical form, for each kind of troops, etc., their own standards should be developed, the rule should be one, the classes are conducted by a full-time instructor, not someone who has been trained, and time for training should be allocated through the command can’t; it’s no secret that officers, as a rule, don’t have time to constantly engage in physical and physical education because of constant overload and just try to take tests on old school resources.
    Well, and to comrade yehat, I can say one thing, the most difficult distance is 800 meters, and cross-country running is much easier, even if there is minimal training and running is carried out correctly.
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    2. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 16: 57
      +1
      I don’t think that the army really needs sprinters)))
      I suggested simple endurance tests - this is the base you need
      in almost all military operations and exercises.
      Some fat pigs in uniform in principle are not able to pass even them,
      not to mention any pull-ups more than 2 times, etc.
      as for age standards, I repeat - the army is a single organism,
      rather than a set of clubs of interest and limits the actions of all the weakest. Therefore, the weakest should have a bar below which it is impossible to fall.
  36. andrey903
    andrey903 13 January 2014 16: 16
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    It is necessary to tie the standards to the arms of service and age. He served in the SOBR standards of 5 km 20 minutes., 16 pull-ups, 60 push-ups, an emphasis lying-sitting, press and jumping without a break for rest between exercises. Delivery at least 3 times a year, who is not on a business trip
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 16: 19
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      As far as I remember, they are tied to by age groups.
  37. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 16: 23
    0
    Quote: calocha
    If SAMBO had been introduced from the school bench, it would have been great at all. As in China, Wushu is a national appearance, or as Thai-Muay Thai ... And so great news, glad!)

    But there was also "Zarnitsa", and the NVP. Whoa ... is that all. They are trying to shove the store in the AKM like in m-16.
  38. Clueless
    Clueless 13 January 2014 16: 34
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    Gentlemen, when you write that to any specialists who are involved in complex electronic devices (communications, etc.) physical training is not needed, you forget one thing - they are military.

    It is not known where and in what place the war will find them - they must be able to shoot well, be in good physical shape.

    This applies to both generals and women with shoulder straps. All military men without exception.
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 January 2014 16: 42
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      Clueless

      Physical training is needed. The question is - in what volume, for what military specialties (focus) and at what age?

      Someone needs enough morning exercise, and someone needs indicators at the CCM level.

      Being fit and shooting well is not the same thing.

      Or will you require the analyst of the General Staff to bring down the enemy with Sambo techniques in the corridors on Znamenka?
      And he knows how to shoot.
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      2. yehat
        yehat 13 January 2014 17: 38
        +2
        it seems that all the conversations revolve around the fact that the topic and standards are for show, and no one is interested in increasing the combat efficiency of the army.
        They will introduce a standard, apply it ugly, then they will generally cancel it and it will be as before. And for the sake of what it is, no one is interested.
  39. konvalval
    konvalval 13 January 2014 16: 40
    +1
    Interesting. What did the Boatswain go to Katsman to talk about physical training in the Army?
  40. shurup
    shurup 13 January 2014 16: 57
    0
    The head of the Department announced seven percent. growth for the year on "Echo of Moscow".
    It should be directed to ensure the planned GDP growth of the Russian Federation.
    Material incentives will be royal if they succeed.
  41. chenia
    chenia 13 January 2014 17: 04
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    Quote: chenia
    Why not a master of sports ???

    Do you ever think about what to write!
    FIZO is not an end in itself, but a means to an end and by no means the most important thing.

    And the goal is to defeat the enemy, and not get the title of CCM!

    You can and MS. You must first learn to protect yourself.

    I will repeat the obligatory subject in FIZO - officer combat (kickboxing + sambo), and collective games with constant competitions, and general physics will follow by itself.

    He came to the regiment (mid-seventies), only two people could squeeze 10 kg more than 32 times, and indeed five people could lift it. Stirring began only when a commission on the FIZO was supposed to appear.

    And if every day (or every other day, and even two) a little, but constantly? Then, with a weight of 85 kg, a bench press of 130 kg, 3 km.-12,30.min. , 100 m -12,5 sec., And the maximum race is 24 km (60 laps in the stadium). Well, the CCM in boxing (started before the school). And this, by the way, is not so difficult and does not take much time, but it must be permanent.

    It is the particular result obtained that forces you to maintain (and develop) the form always, it becomes a need.
  42. Volgin
    Volgin 13 January 2014 17: 33
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    The most important thing is not to bring anything to the point of absurdity. My wife sewed police shirts at work. Some collar seamstresses for laughter fastened at his waist. What size should be military? But it is also impossible to dismiss military specialists for physically, especially techies and teachers. But monetary incentive is great.
  43. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 17: 43
    +1
    Quote: yehat
    each has its own rhythm.
    I have an average pace of 3 + 3 for many years. And I would recommend at least at the start to breathe only through the nose. If, like a fish with gills, you immediately grab it with your open mouth, there may be some difficulties. For example, the throat does not have time to warm up and catch a cold.

    Let me disagree with you. 2-2, this is an axiom. So, not only athletes are trained, but also schoolchildren at the moments of their physical formation. This is the most optimal mode for human physiology.
  44. Ulairy
    Ulairy 13 January 2014 17: 59
    0
    This is a very sensible article, but the implementation, most likely, will, as always, be at the level of "old-fashioned" or "the party said it is necessary ...", which is enough in the officer corps. But really, why should a person who watches for several hours at the monitors be able to run 3 kilometers? And, for example, an acoustics diver? On a 150-meter boat in a panic to cut the test kilometers? At one time, I was enrolled in acoustics because of my ear for music and education, then, in the draft, I was assigned to air defense operators (again, because of my education, I was a rolling mill operator). But I served absolutely not in my profile - first for 1 year as a butcher cook, then for 2 years as a machine gunner ... So theory is theory, and practice, as usual, will destroy any undertakings in the bud. And, yes, I am only for the Soviet system of military-patriotic training of young people (and yes, against the idea that Slavic patriotism was interfered with the “brown” shit of neo-Nazis).
  45. 120352
    120352 13 January 2014 18: 15
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    Finally! And there were fears that our Armed Forces would soon begin to teach figure skating as physical training. Or a game of dominoes. It greatly strengthens the fighting spirit, and most importantly, how can the enemy be misled during the fighting: the enemy is with you in arms, and you give him a double sheepskin coat and fish on top!
  46. wanderer
    wanderer 13 January 2014 18: 37
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    A very good undertaking.
    This thing is especially useful for people sitting for several hours behind monitors, so that they would not dry out completely behind these very monitors. And then you look at the army man and take a creepy thing - either Winnie the Pooh or Duremar in appearance.
    Not all of course, but enough.
    It is clear that the "cap", that is, the standards, should be according to Senki, and not anyhow.
    It’s just scary, they will chatter again, or they will put “psys” for reports out of friendship and service.
    1. servant.
      servant. 13 January 2014 18: 44
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      Quote: wanderer
      A very good undertaking.

      for reports they will put on friendship and on service.



      This undertaking has been several years old ...
      And they put it both on friendship and on service ... everything is already shaken, about 4 years as an innovation ....
  47. chenia
    chenia 13 January 2014 19: 02
    +3
    Quote: aviamed90
    But why the hell in the Army need people only to do that running around the stadiums, but not fluent in their military specialty?
    Or the ability to run 2-3 km in the stadium for you is a measure of professionalism?
    And once again I say: for someone it is important, but for someone it is not.

    As for me personally, I also had good physical training at one time. Because they prepared us for action in Afghanistan as a PAN. And it was necessary and justified.
    But invite me to go through all this in my 50 years? What's the point of this? Although the professional experience in my specialty is higher than the roof.


    When I talked about the premium about class, I meant that the FIZO standards should be one of the criteria. And no one encroaches on your professionalism, it’s just cool to smoke and drink beer (you can vodka), and periodically do sports.

    Then at 59 years old (I’m almost a dime older than you), you will lie down to press a centner, half an hour in the morning a shadow fight instead of physical exercises (the wife really screams - the parquet has cracked - I weigh more than a centner), and only one approach - 40-50 repetitions dumbbells 12 kg (it was 18 kg. - two years as dropped, pressure however), and a cold shower. Here it is the power of habit.

    And I feel great (although I have an ulcer (omez helps), mild sciatica, and pressure (also tablets), and I have only been in the hospital all the time (in the school infirmary in 1972 at the KMB, I rubbed my leg).

    In the past, an artillery officer (the most proving ground officers), this is 18 hours in the fresh air (especially the Otar range (after which I consider all the other resorts)), where this air is from -30 to + 42-45 (in the shade). And say that physical training is not needed here.
    Do not justify your laziness!
  48. Nikotin13
    Nikotin13 13 January 2014 19: 15
    +1
    I urgently remember every morning 3 or 6 km and before breakfast the sports camps are Saturday, PCBs and Sunday are sport days. Now I’m close to fifty, but I keep the level. For me, the gym is the best place to spend time, but if someone is friends with a glass, then expect from such a warrior?
  49. pink
    pink 13 January 2014 19: 24
    +1
    In the late nineties, Artem Borovik wrote an article in the Ogonyok magazine, "How I was a soldier in the American army." There he wrote that the standard of a woman - a military man - is excellent - to push out 75 times in a minute. Then in the NFP we did not have such standards, but how interesting are things now?
  50. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 13 January 2014 19: 50
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    there is a rational grain, why should someone who keeps himself in shape at least a little but pay extra? Well, the minimum level should also be naturally reasonable, without excesses. Who with injuries and other delights is simply freed, of course, if this does not interfere with his occupation.