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Before his death, Kalashnikov wrote a penitential letter to the patriarch

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The creator of the AK-47 complained of heartache due to the fact that his creation deprived people of life


Before his death, Kalashnikov wrote a penitential letter to the patriarch

Legendary weapons the designer and creator of the AK-47 assault rifle, Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov, who died on December 23, 2013, six months before his death wrote to the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill a penitent letter (available to Izvestia). In it, the designer shares with the head of the Russian Orthodox Church spiritual feelings and doubts about his responsibility for the deaths of people killed from the machine gun that he created.

“My heartache is unbearable, one and the same unsolvable question: if my machine gun deprived people of life, so I, Mikhail Kalashnikov, ninety-three years old, the son of a peasant, a Christian and an Orthodox believer, is guilty of people’s death, let even an enemy? ”Kalashnikov asks the patriarch.

Also in the letter he shares his thoughts about the fate of the country and humanity.

“Yes, the number of temples and monasteries in our land is increasing, but evil does not diminish anyway! .. Good and evil live, coexist, fight and, what is most terrible, humble themselves in people's souls - that's what I came to at sunset his earthly life. It turns out some kind of perpetual motion machine, which I wanted to invent when I was young. Light and shadow, good and evil - the two opposites of a single whole, not able to exist without each other? And did the Almighty really arrange it all? And mankind to live forever in this ratio? ”- asks the designer.

Kalashnikov assigns a special role in improving the affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church, which, according to him, “brings to the world the sacred values ​​of kindness and mercy”:

“And the Lord has advised me to approach in the declining years with the help of my friends to the holy sacraments of Christ, to confess and to partake of the Body and Blood of Christ.”

Kalashnikov also reminds that instead of the museum named after him in Izhevsk was built St. Michael's Cathedral.

“When in 91 a year ago I crossed the threshold of the Temple, there was excitement and feeling in my soul ... it was as if I was already here ... Such a feeling is given, probably, only to a baptized person. How well, the thought flashed through my mind that I refused to build a museum of my name at this place, ”Kalashnikov shares his impressions.

Kalashnikov recalls with special warmth that he planted a sapling of Siberian cedar near this temple, brought from his homeland - from the village of Kurya, Altai Territory.

“People will look at the Temple and the Tree and think about this neighborhood of two eternal symbols of Goodness and Life. And my soul will rejoice, watching from the heights of the heavens for this beauty and grace, ”wrote Kalashnikov.

He wishes the Patriarch “good health” and the help of the Most High “in his writings in the name of mankind and for the good of the citizens of Russia.”

“I trust in your sinful thoughts, on your pastoral word and your shrewd wisdom. I look and listen to your sermons and answers to the letters of the laity, whose souls are in everyday turmoil. You help the Word of God to many people, people really need spiritual support, ”Kalashnikov said in a letter.

A spokesman for Patriarch Kirill, Alexander Volkov, told Izvestia that the Patriarch received a letter from Kalashnikov, and even wrote a reply.

- This letter was very relevant during attacks on the Church. The patriarch thanked the legendary designer for his attention and position and replied that Mikhail Timofeevich was an example of patriotism and the right attitude to the country, - said Volkov.

He added that regarding the responsibility of the machine gun designer for the deaths of the Church, the Church has a very definite position: when weapons serve to protect the Fatherland, the Church supports both its creators and the military who use it.

“He invented this automat to protect his country, and not to be used by the terrorists of Saudi Arabia,” Volkov explained.

The document, dated April 7, a copy of which is at the disposal of Izvestia, contains two pages of typewritten text and a handwritten signature of the designer himself.

The daughter of the designer, Elena Kalashnikova, believes that her father could write such a large and responsible text with the help of Father Victor, the priest of the Mikhailovsky Cathedral, mentioned in the letter.

“Last years I was preparing his letters, but I have no relation to this letter,” Elena Mikhailovna explained to Izvestia.

She also urged not to relate to the change of belief of Mikhail Timofeevich too categorically.

- Of course, one cannot say that he went to the services and lived strictly according to the commandments. You have to understand what generation it was. After all, you can talk about faith in God, but not to believe. And you can believe and never say so. Mikhail Timofeevich never laid out what he felt. I remember, in 1999, I brought him a cross, put on, I could say, made him wear, and I said: “Cross over”, and he: “I can't, the hand does not rise,” I just put my hand to my heart, ”Kalashnikov’s daughter recalls.

In addition to the description of spiritual experiences, the letter of the AK-47 creator contains thoughts about the domestic weapons complex, which Kalashnikov himself experienced in 1941 year for weakness.

“How is it that such a power, such a powerful defense industry, such a strong design school, so many wonderful models of weapons were in the reserve, and once on the battlefield, I and my front-line comrades could not defend themselves. We did not have machine guns and machine guns, but the legendary Mosin rifle is one for three, ”Kalashnikov recalls in a letter to the patriarch.

It is noteworthy that Kalashnikov calls his AK-47 machine gun a “miracle weapon” and “the main rival the Americans” as “friends”.

“We always kept up with the times, we were ahead in some ways of our main rival - Americans and at the same time were friends at the human level, although we served different social systems that were irreconcilable in those years,” the designer writes.

The designers and scientists who created the weapon, quite often by the end of life were disappointed in their creations. The creator of the atomic bomb, Robert Oppenheimer, was shocked by the destructive force of the weapons created by him after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He felt guilty and since then actively fought against the use and development of such weapons. In 1954, for opposing the creation of a hydrogen bomb and for using atomic energy only for peaceful purposes, Oppenheimer was removed from all posts related to secret work.

However, not all creators of weapons experienced remorse. The father of the hydrogen bomb, Andrei Sakharov, until the end of his life considered his work to create it right and useful.

“Sakharov, until the end of his days, believed that a situation in which a super-weapon was concentrated in one hand was fraught with great danger. And in this statement, regardless of whether it is right or wrong, there is not a grain of anti-Americanism or xenophobia, but only scientific analysis, free from any ideological or national prejudices ... - wrote Sergey Kovalev - I don’t think he was afraid of the unprovoked nuclear aggression by the US; but he believed that in the absence of a nuclear equilibrium, the danger of the emergence of an “ordinary” war, which inevitably escalates into the Third World War, increases many times over. That is, he considered his work on the hydrogen bomb as a means of preventing a global catastrophe (“AD Sakharov: Responsibility to the Mind.” - Izvestia. May 21, 1998).


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  1. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 13 January 2014 11: 17
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    Duck it. The church is promoted IMHO.
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 13 January 2014 11: 24
      +65
      Dear Mikhail Timofeevich, with your invention you saved millions of lives of our country, it is unknown what the enemy was afraid of, nuclear weapons or AK !!!
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 13 January 2014 11: 30
        +29
        Kalashnikov is a man, no, not even so HUMAN.
        1. Esso
          Esso 13 January 2014 12: 42
          +35
          Mikhail Timofeevich, you have armed our defenders with the best weapon of all time, let the earth rest in peace to you, I bow to you, you have created a tool, and how everyone who gets this weapon will take responsibility for it. "
          You confess not to the patriarch, but to God when you meet him!
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 13: 19
            +17
            Quote: Esso
            You confess not to the patriarch, but to God when you meet him!


            For all that we know about you, Mikhail Timofeevich, you have no reason to repent and apologize.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 13 January 2014 14: 09
              +14
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              You do not need to repent and apologize.

              There are no sinless people. Immortals too. And you and I are not such.
              This is a personal desire of Mikhail Timofeevich. A person of very strong will, and high-ranking as well. We are not allowed to comprehend what the elderly man pursued, but he, in principle, committed the usual act for a Christian, which only adds to his respect among the Russians (and not only).
              Eternal memory to the Russian nugget, who has done so much for posterity!
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 18: 09
                +4
                Quote: Ptah
                There are no sinless people. Immortals too. And you and I are not such.


                I agree with you. Therefore, I wrote "from what we know about you"
                1. Geisenberg
                  Geisenberg 13 January 2014 23: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  Quote: Ptah
                  There are no sinless people. Immortals too. And you and I are not such.


                  I agree with you. Therefore, I wrote "from what we know about you"


                  I’ll add that we don’t know what, we just skip it out of respect for what we know.
              2. does it
                does it 13 January 2014 20: 26
                +1
                Quote: Ptah
                There are no sinless people. Immortals too

                The divine is in every person, this is his Soul. Successful Rebirth to Mikhail Timofeyich, in the next life.
        2. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 13 January 2014 15: 49
          +12
          Quote: Vasia Kruger
          Duck it. The church is promoted IMHO.

          Do not be angry.











          http://bb-spb-nevskoe.livejournal.com/57093.html
          1. does it
            does it 13 January 2014 20: 28
            +1
            Quote: GreatRussia
            Do not be angry.

            the priests simply wanted to be promoted under the shadow of his fame. In honor of M. Kalashnikov you need to call the streets in every city.
            1. Nick
              Nick 13 January 2014 23: 14
              +12
              Quote: kvirit
              the priests simply wanted to be promoted under the shadow of his glory.

              Notice, you too are promoting on the glory of Kalashnikov ...
              Quote: kvirit
              In honor of Kalashnikov M.T. you need to call the streets in every city.

              Then I agree with you!
            2. saber1357
              saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 19
              +4
              Oh, the foreigners are commenting. Either Krueger (Freddy), then some kind of bobs (hell knows where he was getting from). Where did you all come from, huh?
              1. does it
                does it 14 January 2014 06: 47
                -2
                Quote: saber1357
                Oh, the foreigners are commenting. Either Krueger (Freddy), then some kind of bobs (hell knows where he was getting from). Where did you all come from, huh?

                This site has nicknames that are more exotic. Wikipedia: Quirites (lat. Quirites) - in ancient Rome, the era of the republic, the name of Roman citizens (cives), usually used in official addresses (Populus Romanus Quiritium).
          2. Ukraine Glory
            Ukraine Glory 14 January 2014 06: 48
            -1
            Quote: GreatRussia
            Do not be angry.

            Nice photos! Orthodox faith - true faith. It is a pity that the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church has nothing to do with it.
      2. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 13 January 2014 15: 33
        +15
        Quote: Samaritan
        Dear Mikhail Timofeevich, with your invention you saved millions of lives of our country, it is unknown what the enemy was afraid of, nuclear weapons or AK !!!

        That's it! The kingdom to him is heavenly and eternal memory!
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 13 January 2014 23: 38
        +2
        Quote: Samaritan
        Dear Mikhail Timofeevich, with your invention you saved millions of lives of our country, it is unknown what the enemy was afraid of, nuclear weapons or AK !!!


        I would say that by the mere fact of his existence he saved people more than these very people killed in recent wars.

        Correctly said, it is not the weapon that kills, but the hand of his guide. Kalashnikov himself said roughly the same thing.
      4. Rusich51
        Rusich51 14 January 2014 18: 02
        +1
        Quote: Samaritan
        Dear Mikhail Timofeevich, with your invention you saved millions of lives of our country, it is unknown what the enemy was afraid of, nuclear weapons or AK !!!

        Kalashnikov is a real person, if there was this letter, then he should not have to worry about his soul. These weapons have helped honest people fight evil.
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    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 14: 38
      +12
      You’re a minus, although your comment is not very different from the comment from the Ukrainian Bandera site. You better write such comets, they will support you there.

      grandpa repentance
      not really in old age grandfather believed that it was his machine?
      13.01.2014 07:19
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      I like 7


      Cynic
      I found someone to write a penitent letter to .- Gundyayke. He would also write a penitent letter to the devil.
      13.01.2014 07:24
      Reply
      I like 9


      ghjk
      Gundiai himself wrote a penitential letter and forged the signature.
      13.01.2014 09:26
      Reply
      I like


      I thought
      before death - what if it exists, I repent just in case
      13.01.2014 07:46
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      I like
      hundred
      Krasava the Russian people ... only there is no conscience.
      13.01.2014 07:48
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      I like


      ex
      I thought it would repent that the machine had stolen from Schmeiser ...
      13.01.2014 07:52
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      I like 1


      These are the comments on the patriotic Ukrainian website.http: //censor.net.ua/news/266185/pered_smertyu_konstruktor_kalashnikov_nap
      isal_pokayannoe_pismo_kirillu_stalo_byt_ya_povinen_v_smerti
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 13 January 2014 16: 17
        +11
        Followed the link .... I read and just shocked by the number of scum trolls
      2. Ukraine Glory
        Ukraine Glory 14 January 2014 06: 44
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        These are the comments on the patriotic Ukrainian website.http: //censor.net.ua/news/266185/pered_smertyu_konstruktor_kalashnikov_nap

        isal_pokayannoe_pismo_kirillu_stalo_byt_ya_povinen_v_smerti

        A pig will find dirt everywhere, find and lie. Since when has censor no become a patriotic site?
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      1. Flooding
        Flooding 13 January 2014 18: 17
        +12
        do not forget about the soul
        1. saber1357
          saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 21
          +4
          Yes, no, this is the same Khrushchev, with a kuzkin’s mother and everything else. Which comrade Stalin at one time did not see to the end (or maybe he did, who knows, just became old).
      2. saber1357
        saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 20
        +3
        So it's you, Khrushch, who said "We'll see the last priest on TV." Look, he's still alive, the obscene smoking-room, corn from the fields.
    7. Christian
      Christian 13 January 2014 17: 25
      -1
      Kingdom of heaven! Orthodoxy or death!!!
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      2. Hon
        Hon 13 January 2014 17: 43
        -3
        Quote: Christian
        Kingdom of heaven! Orthodoxy or death!!!

        Eka pounded you belay Have a bite ...
      3. s1н7т
        s1н7т 13 January 2014 18: 28
        0
        Did you go to the madhouse?
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 14 January 2014 03: 02
          +5
          Quote: c1n7
          Did you go to the madhouse?

          If you have already written something, then yes.

          This was not a call for the mass adoption of Christianity, but a call to think about what awaits us in the near future if we follow the path of Europe.
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          2. Hon
            Hon 14 January 2014 09: 40
            0
            Quote: Ptah
            This was not a call for the mass adoption of Christianity, but a call to think about what awaits us in the near future if we follow the path of Europe.

            Yeah ...
            1. Christian
              Christian 14 January 2014 18: 56
              +4
              What doesn’t suit you in this photo !? Russian Orthodox Patriotic Warriors !? And Relight and Oslyabya !?
      4. Setrac
        Setrac 13 January 2014 22: 28
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        Quote: Christian
        Kingdom of heaven! Orthodoxy or death!!!

        Old bike.
        If there is no God, then it is correct that I do not believe in him. And if God is, then which religion is right? Better to be an atheist than a heretic.
        1. saber1357
          saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 22
          +3
          Better to be an eccentric than m ... com (or p ... com). What I wish you!
    8. s1н7т
      s1н7т 13 January 2014 18: 31
      -2
      Quote: Vasia Kruger
      The church is promoting

      And godlessly! laughing
    9. invisibility
      invisibility 13 January 2014 20: 43
      -4
      Why does a person have so many minuses?
      Making a penitential letter? PR.
      Servant of God, constructor? PR.
      One rifle for three? I have no words!!!
      Mikhail Timofeevich, as a truly Russian man, lived, worked for the sake of his homeland !!!
      His death. a great loss for Russian (Soviet) people!
      It is necessary to grieve. And this is PR, pure water.
      1. Galina
        Galina 14 January 2014 02: 29
        +5
        Quote "One rifle for three? No words !!!"
        And my mother-in-law, who survived the war, told about the same thing. She was a simple woman, from under the Eagle. Survived the retreat of our troops, and the occupation, and the return of ours. She talked about the fact that there was one rifle on several soldiers, and that there were no rounds. When they killed our soldiers from the battlefield, they found in their pockets wheat, oats, beans - all that could be eaten. Everything was.
        Quote: "Servant of God, designer? PR." Your reaction to the words about PR is not entirely clear. I will only say one thing to those who doubt the authenticity of the letter of the designer Kalashnikov: who of you now on the threshold of Eternity, like Mikhail Timofeevich at the time of writing the message to the Patriarch, so cynically rejecting something that he does not know? Better not dare, so that later on the threshold of their demise not to repent.
        And the servant of God Michael eternal memory.
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 14 January 2014 02: 32
          +3
          Galina, +1!
        2. invisibility
          invisibility 14 January 2014 20: 35
          -1
          Galina, one rifle for three, a duck wandering from publication to publication. The weapon broke, lost, rushed to the end! But there were enough rifles. See statistics.
          Don't you think that God's servant Michael is saying? And not the designer Michael? I don’t know ...
          Cynicism. You do not find that cynicism consists in the publication of a purely personal letter? Relatives decided so ...
          Truly smart people live, make mistakes (how can one do without them), repent, draw conclusions ...
          Go for it, Galina, go for it.
    10. Kurbashioglu
      Kurbashioglu 13 January 2014 22: 28
      -3
      Quote: Vasia Kruger
      Duck it. The church is promoted IMHO.


      More like sabotage.
      1. saber1357
        saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 23
        +2
        In, a foreigner, kaamentiruet ... All of them are Wahhabis, he is numb, and, atkyda ani go, Yehuda ...
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 14 January 2014 00: 40
          +2
          Will we say goodbye to you? Or invite administrators to take note of your IPshnik. That in the next reg could not pass.
          You still cannot hide it. To do this, you need a minimum of gray in the head, which you do not have.
          1. Kurbashioglu
            Kurbashioglu 14 January 2014 19: 01
            0
            Quote: Ptah
            Will we say goodbye to you?

            for kama is this?
    11. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 13 January 2014 23: 35
      +2
      Quote: Vasia Kruger
      Duck it. The church is promoted IMHO.


      It seems that Kalashnikov first wrote to the news. Even if there was a letter, how did it get into the newspaper? Patriarch on the soap ??

      Purely my opinion - the Church is not necessary here. The scum from the media is being promoted and they try to trample the Man after death into the mud. Eggs for this must be deprived.
      1. Vasia kruger
        Vasia kruger 14 January 2014 09: 46
        0
        I agree, maybe it’s not the church’s business. Not the point in general. It is disgusting that this letter generally came to light.
        Especially personal, sort of like a letter.
    12. saber1357
      saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 17
      +1
      Potchmemu Vasia-to - FREDIA KRUGER, VYSHLO is temnyh podvoroten amerikanskih
    13. Ukraine Glory
      Ukraine Glory 14 January 2014 06: 43
      -2
      Quote: Vasia Kruger
      Duck it. The church is promoted IMHO.

      Gundiai did not hear about the secret of confession.
    14. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 14 January 2014 08: 46
      +2
      And here I also thought about it when I read. Could this priest forge a letter or slip a finished text on Kalashnikov’s signature? It is somehow very strange that after his death this letter suddenly surfaced. These syusi muses are not very much like a Soviet officer. Why wasn’t it published in life?
  2. Alerii
    Alerii 13 January 2014 11: 23
    -2
    Very similar to the PR of the Russian Orthodox Church.
    1. Anper
      Anper 13 January 2014 12: 34
      +15
      It’s strange somehow. Why, in a personal letter signed by a personal hand, to imprint your photos, fill out a frame, print a date (!) Is not an article.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 January 2014 13: 11
        +7
        Quote: Anper
        It’s strange somehow. Why in a personal letter signed by a personal hand, imprint your photos, fill out a frame, print (!) The date

        Yes, the design seems to have gone too far. It looks implausible.
        1. Detector
          Detector 13 January 2014 13: 41
          +13
          If Kalashnikov himself executed the letter, then I agree 100%. Not modestly. But the article says that The daughter of the designer, Elena Kalashnikova, believes that her father could write such a large and responsible text with the help of Father Victor, rector of St. Michael's Cathedral

          Here is the rector of the temple and made the design.
          And Mikhail Kalashnikov had problems with health, he himself could not.
          1. Anper
            Anper 13 January 2014 13: 58
            +16
            And yet - it says that world until 1991... was unsteady, embittered, contradictory.On behalf of Kalashnikov. Could he write like that? After all, the logic of this phrase is understandable - after 1991, the world became unshakable, non-embittered, consistent.
            Also, why after the words Servant of god write more constructor? After all, he just repents for his profession. If Father Victor executed this letter, then, excuse me, he wrote there exclusively their thoughts.
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 13 January 2014 15: 35
              +5
              Quote: Anper
              And yet - it says that the world until 1991 ... was unsteady, embittered, contradictory

              So he stayed now:


            2. Valkyrie
              Valkyrie 14 January 2014 08: 55
              0
              Logical, very logical. I think so too. Well, it does not look like Kalashnikov.
              1. MAKCs
                MAKCs 14 January 2014 10: 52
                0
                Maybe I'm wrong, but AK. this is a western designation, and in all documents we simply called it AK. If so, why was this name used?
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 13 January 2014 14: 12
            +12
            Quote: Detector
            The daughter of the designer, Elena Kalashnikova, believes that her father could write such a large and responsible text with the help of Father Victor, rector of St. Michael's Cathedral

            This explains a lot, by the way. The style of presentation and volume, and the design is "priestly", and not a techie. , we are all not eternal. A person is in years, health is already weak, why not.
            1. Valkyrie
              Valkyrie 14 January 2014 08: 57
              -2
              It is possible that it was so, signed without looking.
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        3. 3.7.964
          3.7.964 13 January 2014 15: 02
          +15
          Quote: baltika-18
          Yes, the design seems to have gone too far. It looks implausible.

          Three arguments about the strangeness of this letter ...
          1 argument: Compare the signature of Kalashnikov for 2013 on a letter to the Patriarch ... http://izvestia.ru/news/563827#add_comment ... and the signature of Kalashnikov on a letter to Izhmash employees for 2005 .. http: // amnesty .org.ru / node / 386 ... There is an opinion 1) or someone pushed for Kalashnikov 2) or being seriously ill and in a deranged state, lying down, Kalashnikov signed NOT reading this piece of paper ... this is indicated by the slope of the signature, position of letters, absence of a dot, absence of a bottom donut, spacing between letters, etc. ... Visually, any person can determine these discrepancies - Signatures are not Similar !!! ... In any case, the case with the letter to the patriarch is not clean (or they took advantage of his helpless state or fake) !!! ... Argument 2: One legally slippery moment ... Did Klashnikov give the Patriarch permission to publish a private letter ??? ... After all, not a word is said about this in the letter itself ... And in accordance with paragraph 7 of Art. 3 FZ "On freedom of conscience and on religious associations of the Russian Federation" dated September 26, 1997. the secret of confession is protected by law .... And in paragraph 2 of Art. 23 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states that "Everyone has the right to secrecy of correspondence, telephone conversations, postal, telegraph and other messages." ... It turns out that the Patriarch violated the secrecy of confession and the Constitution of Russia !!! ...
          3 argument: The article says that the letter from Kalashnikov was written half a year before death ... date of death 23.12.2013/2013/09.05.2012, therefore half a year ago, this is July 3 - the date of writing the letter ... BUT !!! in the upper right corner on the letter is the date of registration of the incoming number 2014/01/563827 year ... How can this be ??? ... http://content.izvestia.ru/media/001/news/XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX/ PPXNUMX.jpg
          Again, in the ROC, Photoshop did not work ... a fake with dates ???
          1. 3.7.964
            3.7.964 13 January 2014 16: 52
            +9
            Quote: 3.7.964
            Again, in the ROC, Photoshop did not work ... a fake with dates ???

            I appeal to everyone minus my post. Uncle, Yoshkin cat, Grit Rush, Romanov, etc. Why do you, dear forum users, silently put down the cons, and have never answered my arguments given with your counterarguments. It seems that you simply do not exist, and you switched to silent cons, or like novels into outright trolling with threats.
            Another living question: why the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church did not come to Kalashnikov live ... or the great Patriarch's suit is not the one that would communicate live with "some" Kalashnikov ... Is this behavior worthy of a Patriarch?
            1. Anper
              Anper 13 January 2014 17: 27
              0
              Contact me too - I press a person for a plus, and his minus crashes belay
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 13 January 2014 18: 17
              +7
              It’s not for you to evaluate and judge the Patriarch and his deeds, do you need personal meetings, first of all, did Kalashnikov himself need such a meeting? Mikhail Kalashnikov, and without the Patriarch, had many meetings and conversations with priests.

              You would be better in Ukraine to deal with your many homegrown patriarchs, who bred after gaining independence.
              1. 3.7.964
                3.7.964 13 January 2014 18: 37
                +1
                Quote: RUSS
                It’s not for you to evaluate and judge the Patriarch and his deeds,

                In accordance with 5 of the Charter of the ROC: "The Russian Orthodox Church is registered as a legal entity in the Russian Federation as a centralized religious organization", thus, the Patriarch is only an elected official of the legal entity. In accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation, this means that the Patriarch, like any other official, is liable under the laws of the Russian Federation for counterfeiting, fraud, slander, consumer deception, and under other articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Thus, in accordance with the laws of the Russian Federation, the actions of the Patriarch can have criminal and civil legal qualifications, and moreover, the Patriarch can be convicted of committing illegal acts. The official website of the Russian Orthodox Church http://www.patriarchia.ru/ua/db/text/1203391.html
            3. Flooding
              Flooding 13 January 2014 18: 24
              +5
              Quote: 3.7.964
              Why do you, dear forum users, silently put down the cons, and have never answered my arguments given by your counterarguments

              Maybe because you do not distinguish a letter from confession?
              What else to talk about?
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                1. Galina
                  Galina 14 January 2014 02: 39
                  +4
                  What did the Patriarch of the Evil do to you? You write such a triviality that no one even wants to answer you. And you all are torn in an argument and want arguments. Do not like Orthodoxy? Well, declare yourself a pagan, or some sort of Satanist, and everything will fall into place.
          2. Detector
            Detector 13 January 2014 21: 40
            +2
            On the 1st argument:
            In general, you can agree with you, but the final conclusion should be made by forensic experts. In many people, even healthy people do not have a permanent signature, it may mean a little bit of hand motility. For final conclusions, you need to look at least a dozen of his signatures, I think this is quite feasible.
            For example, my personal signature rarely turns out to be the same, I need to make every effort (especially at the Bank), so that it looks like the one in the passport.

            On the 2st argument:
            Permission to publish private letters may be given by relatives of the deceased.

            On the 3st argument:
            The erroneous expression "Half a year" belongs to the journalist who prepared the material for publication. On the text of the letter (its content), it does not affect or distort in any way.

            Summary: It is necessary to continue the study, it is too early to draw conclusions.
            1. 3.7.964
              3.7.964 13 January 2014 21: 54
              -2
              Quote: Detector
              Permission to publish private letters may be given by relatives of the deceased.

              Can someone provide this permission?
              Quote: Detector
              The erroneous expression "Half a year" belongs to the journalist who prepared the material for publication. On the text of the letter (its content), it does not affect or distort in any way.

              Likewise, proof is required of who he is, this journalist? Anathema to him.
              1. Detector
                Detector 13 January 2014 22: 28
                +4
                Quote: 3.7.964
                Can someone provide this permission?


                This second of course is not possible, and it is not yet known whether it is.
                But there is also no feedback that it is not.

                And by the way, the disclosure of private correspondence, as far as I know, is prohibited by third parties, but not by the participants in the correspondence itself. If the letter was made public by the Patriarch, then there is nothing illegal in this. This correspondence is not a "confession", as there is no mention of the sins committed.

                Quote: 3.7.964
                Likewise, proof is required of who he is, this journalist? Anathema to him.


                If you are so hurt by this question, call the editorial office of Izvestia and find out. At the same time, we will be interested to know the details.
          3. does it
            does it 13 January 2014 21: 47
            0
            Quote: 3.7.964
            Again, in the ROC, Photoshop did not work ... a fake with dates ???

            What kind of photoshop are you? Don't blaspheme!
          4. saber1357
            saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 28
            +4
            Here is, finally, a normal comment from a series of "skeptics". Well, yes, indeed, about permission to publish - this is one of the first oddities that catches your eye. The newspapermen are muddying the waters again, would Mikhal Timofeevich really stick out like that. And about the design with a photo - so, sorry, it's a matter of style.
        4. Pirr
          Pirr 13 January 2014 20: 04
          +2
          Quote: baltika-18
          Yes, the design seems to have gone too far. It looks implausible.

          Priests, fear God! Enough for you to let the flames into the eyes of your flock.
          In fact, there is a beautifully designed text with some signature. It is necessary to clarify with about. Victor as he received the signature (if received).
          In the section "Illness and Death" of Kalashnikov's biography, compare the time and dates of the events and it will be clear that the priest was at the patient's bedside during the crisis period of the disease and may have used the patient for his dirty purposes.
          Mikhail Timofeevich had nothing to repent of, and even more so before Gundyaev.
          In the same section, information appeared about the letter being discussed!
          I wish my relatives and friends of Mikhail Timofeevich to fasten.
          Secular authorities did not give you the opportunity to fulfill the will of the deceased for burial, and here is a new misfortune ... Now from the censer’s ministers - priests with already visible horns.
      2. Khrushchev
        Khrushchev 13 January 2014 17: 11
        -1
        100% Jewish propaganda do not go to a fortuneteller
      3. Nick
        Nick 13 January 2014 23: 20
        +4
        Quote: Anper
        Why, in a personal letter signed by a personal hand, to imprint your photos, fill out a frame, print a date (!) Is not an article.

        The letter is printed on a letterhead, nothing unusual ...
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 13 January 2014 13: 22
      -5
      quite stupid? don't respect the Last Will of the Great Man? ready to spit on him? Just because he came into the bosom of the Church? Churches of His Ancestors?
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      1. Anper
        Anper 13 January 2014 14: 10
        +2
        Quote: Yoshkin Cat
        don't respect the Last Will of the Great Man?
        And where does the last will? Kalashnikov there wishes good health to the Patriarch.
    4. Uncle
      Uncle 13 January 2014 14: 28
      +3
      Quote: Alerii
      Very similar to the PR of the Russian Orthodox Church.

      Do you understand the topic? Can you distinguish the archimandrite from the bishop or the Great Entrance from the Cherubic?
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 13 January 2014 22: 30
      +1
      Quote: Alerii
      Very similar to the PR of the Russian Orthodox Church.

      Another option is PR against the ROC. Roman "dad" does not sleep.
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    6. saber1357
      saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 24
      -1
      looks like a comment by another m ... ka
    7. Ukraine Glory
      Ukraine Glory 14 January 2014 06: 52
      -1
      Quote: Alerii
      Very similar to the PR of the Russian Orthodox Church.

      The longer I live, the more I am sure that the Russian Orthodox Church and Orthodoxy are incompatible. They seduce children and flee to Israel, then they have each other ... They are strange. Drive out the "holy fathers", excommunicate. Why, and the Russian land has always been rich in true believers, so we must put the holy elder at the head.
  3. Asgard
    Asgard 13 January 2014 11: 25
    +10
    B R E D CHURCHES

    F A L S I F I K A C I
    1. 3.7.964
      3.7.964 13 January 2014 11: 44
      +15
      Quote: Asgard
      B R E D C E R K V I F A L S I F I K A C I

      I agree! Soon everyone will be forced to repent, astronauts, scientists, inventors. But will the patriarch repent? For yachts, palaces, luxury cars, watches, priests, perverts, for children dying from lack of money for medicines and operations.

      PS
      Personally for the "hellish" moderator Romanov. Please note that I am not stomping on Vera, but on a certain person, or a group of so-called "clergy" people, mired in luxury, and at the same time cynically promoting the death of a respected person! The person who has done for the country is more than all the patriarchs put together.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 13 January 2014 12: 51
        +9
        Well, it is probably worth separating the problems of ROC CJSC from the Orthodox Faith.

        Kalashnikov wrote (unless of course the duck is the whole letter), as a believer in the head of the church, which for him has spiritual authority.

        And the fact that he was tormented by the question is also a plus to him.

        The problem really exists.
        Yes, AK has become a weapon of the defenders of the fatherland, and this is a plus.
        But ... I once read that today in the world more people are killed from AK every day than with any other type of weapon.
        Apparently this is precisely what tormented M.T. Kalashnikov.

        So, rest in peace and the kingdom of heaven to the servant of God Michael Kalashnikov.
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 13 January 2014 13: 23
          +12
          You read the letter carefully ...
          It could be written by anyone (who read the gospel and the Bible)) and nothing more)))
          just kidding.
          But not a Soviet engineer, not seen in sympathy for the church, versed in matters of faith and calling himself SLAVE ...

          This letter is like the Nonsense of a madman.
          And why this letter suddenly became known after death ...
          Servant of God)))))
          And why the relatives did not hear about it (and did not even suspect))))

          This is a PROVOCATION. PAPER WITH MONOGRAPHIES FOR CONFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY, however it is written in typewriting ...
          stylistics, way of thinking, the method of constructing sentences, do not correspond to the SOVIET DESIGNER
          M.T. Kalashnikov.


          Nothing sacred, yet the Soul of the Great Man has not calmed down (40 days)) but they are already clinging to HIS name ....
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          2. Gregazov
            Gregazov 13 January 2014 14: 27
            +7
            Asgard (2) "You read the letter carefully ..."
            Sorry, your scripture seems to be. You refuse to see the obvious fact of transferring money from the construction of the museum to the construction of the Temple. This fact alone is sufficient to confirm the confession of the Orthodox faith.
            I don’t understand which one ... she sent me a Gayropei flag
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 13 January 2014 15: 05
              +2
              Quote: GregAzov
              I don’t understand which one ... she sent me a Gayropei flag

              You dare not exalt blasphemy against Orthodoxy was therefore followed by K-A-R-A .... from the "Vedic forces".
              If you "correct" - you will be returned the NECESSARY "flag". laughing
              1. Anper
                Anper 13 January 2014 15: 30
                +1
                And again the same thing! They do not give a vote neither for you, nor for, nor against anyone!
                1. Ptah
                  Ptah 13 January 2014 16: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: Anper
                  Do not give a vote neither for you, nor for, nor against anyone!

                  Two options.
                  1.You are obsessed with devilry and you urgently need communion.
                  Oh, all this is not good ...
                  2. Wait for 2018, and if the system does not change, you will certainly be admitted to the ballot boxes.
                  1. Anper
                    Anper 13 January 2014 17: 22
                    +1
                    am am good good I will urgently organize the production of holy water on an industrial scale - just in case. suddenly someone else will need it. And then, as soon as I appear online, I immediately check in convulsions, with which - I can plus or minus the people.
                    1. Ptah
                      Ptah 14 January 2014 09: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Anper
                      And then, as soon as I appear online, I immediately check in convulsions, with which - I can plus or minus the people.

                      Oh, oh, oh ... belay
                      Mom ran in, Napolen came in, visited the Hitler, Ebenya sat, and a lot of what happened - they all survived.
                      "Anper" will come (online !!!!) plus and minus - people may not be able to do it.
                      I do not want to prohibit you from appearing (online !!!), but if you are not sure of the estimated scale of the destruction inflicted by you, I advise you to contact the admins. They will disable the "-", "reply" and "quote" buttons for you.
                      And as an exception for femin love , which are rare gems here, will make for you only the buttons "good", "excellent" and "turbo", with an enhanced effect. hi
                      1. Anper
                        Anper 15 January 2014 01: 36
                        0
                        repeat Thank you for your support!
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              3. Hon
                Hon 13 January 2014 16: 04
                +3
                Quote: Ptah
                You will be returned the NECESSARY "flag

                the main thing is not to spur such wassat
                1. Ptah
                  Ptah 13 January 2014 16: 07
                  +2
                  Is this a piece of the EAO flag?
                  1
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 13 January 2014 16: 11
                    +5
                    Actually the LGBT flag, I just joked like that. But now I google the EAO and goof belay
                    1. Ptah
                      Ptah 13 January 2014 16: 34
                      +2
                      Quote: Hon
                      google EAO and goof

                      Another recognized fact, since we are such haters of the LGBT ... ... (pah, well, the set of an ophthalmologist in the top line)
                      The second largest "parade" of these creatures is held in Tel Aviv ("first" in Brazil)
                      Listen less to anti-Christians, and more anti-Zionists and "fucking" will follow. hi
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          4. Bigriver
            Bigriver 13 January 2014 17: 02
            +5
            Quote: Asgard
            You read the letter carefully ...
            It could be written by anyone (who read the gospel and the Bible)) and nothing more)))
            just kidding .....

            What will happen to you when the authorship of Kalashnikov becomes apparent.
            Will you run from yourself?
            Think it over.
            1. 3.7.964
              3.7.964 13 January 2014 17: 57
              -1
              Quote: BigRiver
              What will happen to you when the authorship of Kalashnikov becomes apparent.

              I’ll ask the question: Which patriarch published it (this letter), or are the laws of the Russian Federation, on the secret of correspondence, and church, on the secret of confession, not acting on him?
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 13 January 2014 18: 58
                +3
                Do you actually know what confession is?
                If so, what does this letter have to do with it?

                About the secrecy of correspondence is an interesting question.
                It is so ... speculative.
                Violation of the secrecy of correspondence consists in publicizing its contents without the permission of the person to whom it belongs.
                Does the letter belong to the addressee? What is the violation if he ordered it at his discretion?
          5. Pirr
            Pirr 13 January 2014 19: 55
            +1
            Quote: Asgard
            This letter is similar to the delirium of a madman. And why this letter suddenly became known after the death

            I agree. When did the Master manage to write such a "letter", if until the very last he was engaged in what he loved - designing and improving his weapons? By the way, the church blesses any military work in the name of defending the Fatherland. The activity of the Master is a part of military labor, which he could not but know about. So let the authors of this libel roll it into a tube and shove it in one place ...
          6. saber1357
            saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 30
            -3
            Friends! Always listen to American generals, they will teach you life.
          7. Ukraine Glory
            Ukraine Glory 14 January 2014 06: 55
            -1
            Quote: Asgard
            Nothing sacred, yet the Soul of the Great Man has not calmed down (40 days)) but they are already clinging to HIS name ....

            The secret of confession is dogma, and they scored on it.
          8. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 14 January 2014 09: 04
            -2
            I totally agree! Word for word my thoughts !!!
        2. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 22 January 2014 08: 36
          0
          Or maybe it's just worth separating Russophobia from Russian patriotism? by definition for Faith! The king! And the Fatherland!
          not the Jew of Marx
        3. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 22 January 2014 08: 36
          0
          Or maybe it's just worth separating Russophobia from Russian patriotism? by definition for Faith! The king! And the Fatherland!
          not the Jew of Marx
      2. Detector
        Detector 13 January 2014 13: 50
        +2
        Your words:
        Quote: 3.7.964
        and at the same time cynically PR on the death of a respected person!
        they say that you absolutely sure in this view. If so, then give arguments, evidence of your conviction. Emotions we have already seen. What about the voice of reason? If so, then confirm, and I will bow to the facts and say that you are right.
      3. Uncle
        Uncle 13 January 2014 14: 31
        +1
        Quote: 3.7.964
        but for a certain person, or a group of so-called "spiritual" persons, mired in luxury

        Facts in the studio, chatterbox.
        1. 3.7.964
          3.7.964 13 January 2014 14: 41
          -4
          Quote: Uncle
          Facts in the studio, chatterbox.

          Have you learned from Herr Prohessor? Take a look above, there are facts.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 14: 50
            -7
            Quote: 3.7.964
            Have you learned from Herr Prohessor?

            I can’t wait to see you in the ban, so you will fly there.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 13 January 2014 15: 12
              +3
              Greetings, Sasha.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I look at you in a ban

              And what is so seditious about the "prohvessor", said Svyatoslav? Or in JBAN for him laughing ** about Christianity?
              Please don't do this. Svyatoslav is needed to fight the Zionist kagal. But when the question arises before him where to go or "under the blue stars" or "under the cross", I am sure he will choose the latter.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 15: 49
                +1
                Quote: Ptah
                And what is so seditious about the "prohvessor", said Svyatoslav

                He has two heads of hatred for Orthodoxy and Jews. The professor, however, works on the site and if he does not like him, then this is his problem.
                hello.
                1. Ptah
                  Ptah 13 January 2014 16: 19
                  +10
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  He has two crowned hatred of Orthodoxy and Jews.

                  "To the Jews" is normal. At least it has not dropped out of the global trend for 4 years. It is not treated, and it is not necessary.
                  "Towards Orthodoxy" is bad, but also incomprehensible.
                  Christianity, in fact, is the antagonism of Judaism. There is hope - we will treat.
                  "professor" has long been a collective image, regardless of where he works. Other "pharaohs", "pimples" and others fall under it. nationality ...

                  Shl. If that "professor" (as he himself claims) knows four languages, then I also know so much, and understand about five or six more European ones. How much I "zaplotyut" for posting a dozen highly informative pictures. From the everyday life of the Bundeswehr or the Kriegsmarine, for example. Not all the amers and Israelites are posted ...
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 16: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: Ptah
                    "Towards Orthodoxy" is bad, but also incomprehensible.

                    And what is not clear here, according to his logic, Christ the Jews, and therefore faith is a Jewish threat. That's all, just to the primitive.
                    1. Ptah
                      Ptah 13 January 2014 17: 21
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      And what is not clear, according to his logic, Christ the Jews

                      San, dear, with your pretensions to logic, putting in a row such words as Christ and the Jew it looks like an unwillingness to look at the network of opinions on this matter. I'll try to give you, t.s. "general direction of search"
                      1. Where does such confidence come from? There is NOT ONE MENTION in the Bible about the nationality of Christ. This is the only sign nailed to the cross by the crucifixes themselves. To emphasize to your nation as a TRADER.
                      2. According to Halacha, he is considered a Jew who is born of a Jew. The father of Jesus, Joseph, was a Jew, as if not disputed.
                      But, if you are a Christian, then you must agree with the IMMEDIATE conception. And this suggests that "Father" (adoptive) Joseph and "did not lie next to" Mary, and acknowledged the fact of birth from the Holy Spirit.
                      3. That Mary was not a Jew, I can look for a "haste for yu) reasoned explanation.
                      But there are so many "bukaffs" there that you sweat to read, and without it, understanding will not come.

                      A lot - it's so much ....
                      1. dengy12
                        dengy12 13 January 2014 20: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Ptah
                        3. That Mary was not a Jew, I can look for a "haste for yu) reasoned explanation.

                        what is it really Christian? or pagan? request
                      2. Ptah
                        Ptah 13 January 2014 23: 46
                        0
                        Quote: dengy12
                        is it really Christian? or pagan?

                        Humor please?
                        If so, then vainly puffed up. You are no longer on the stage. Everything there is packed with unchristians and non-pagans.

                        I warned that "a lot of bukafff" fellow , lots of. Even whole sentences, paragraphs and ..... / scary? / CHAPTERS !!!
                        Therefore, you do not need to go there. stop

                        This will be enough for you.
                        Mary was a GALLERY. Galilee was inhabited at that time mainly by Scythians, Greeks and Gauls. I.e .: Maria, Mother of Jesuscould be of any nationality, but not Jewish.
                        You are guessing the rest, if for you the mental process is not akin to carrying a royal (not alcohol) laughing )
                    2. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 13 January 2014 23: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: Ptah
                      The Bible does not contain ANY MENTION of Christ's nationality

                      Nude ...
                    3. Ptah
                      Ptah 14 January 2014 00: 30
                      +5
                      Jacob gave birth to Joseph, the husband of Mary, from whom Jesus was born, called Christ

                      And what, does it prove that NATIONALITY is mentioned?
                      If you, Yarosvet, are well versed in the Bible, then rub the links to the chapters in which it is PROVEN.
                      And so ... Okay, they didn’t write that "Joseph gave birth to Jesus" / after all, before this fact, only men "gave birth" /and then he would not be a Jew (according to Halacha).

                      Don't you know. that the Jews turn around with the concepts of how and where they need to. If the property is received from the "lawyer dad", then the son is an atheist and has the right to inheritance. If you accept Judaism, then here "include mamele." So it is with Jesus. "Legally" he is "Jewish", by blood - NO! Find the chapters in the Bible where Joseph accepts the baby and admits that the IMMEDIATE CONCEPT has taken place.

                      According to Mary. How is anyone's nationality established? By homeland, by blood, by language. Moreover, firstly - by blood and language (spirit), and secondly - according to the country of birth and residence ...
                      By the name of the land where He came from and His Mother, the Blessed Virgin, Jesus was called the Galilean.
                      Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Son of Man, born of an earthly woman from the Holy Spirit. Like all women, the Mother of God had a nationality. Both scripture and historians researching this issue testify that Virgin Mary could not be Jewish. Her homeland was Galilee, conquered by the Israelis, but without a Jewish population other than a national minority made up of those Jews who were in mixed marriages, taking Galileans as wives. All Jewish families were forcibly evicted from Galilee by the Israeli government itself on the basis of "Maccabees Law" / check as you want /. It is not by chance that the Jews called this relatively independent country "Pagan Galilee", i.e. non-Jewish. The Holy Family was not forcibly relocated to Judea, even though Joseph was a Jew. Consequently, this family did not fall under Maccabees law. And if it did not, then, then, the Holy Family was a mixed marriage. That is: Mary, the Mother of Jesus, could be of any nationality, but not Jewish.
                      All. All denials will come down to the evidence of who benefits from spitting on the name of Christ and leveling out his struggle with the Jews. Such (denunciations) in the Bible in bulk.

                      Here is more complete -
                      telo-sveta.narod.ru/New/neiudey.htm

                      www.xpam.org/rannee-hristianstvo/590-hristos-ne-byl-evreem.html
                    4. Flooding
                      Flooding 14 January 2014 10: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: Ptah
                      By the name of the land where He came from and His Mother, the Blessed Virgin, Jesus was called the Galilean.
                      Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Son of Man, born of an earthly woman from the Holy Spirit.

                      Ptah, smart!
                      Already in my ears there is a ringing from hollow-bones, who imagine themselves to be experts on the issue, but who do not know the basic rudiments of knowledge on the topic.
                      And it is not familiar to them that they will not come close to the truth even one step until they open their hearts. So they will be stupefied snooping around the forums and spread the infection.
                    5. Ptah
                      Ptah 14 January 2014 11: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Flood
                      Ptah, smart!

                      Thank God for evaluating my modest contribution, Vladimir!
                      And so in the explanations I almost always balance "at the ban level." Clearly - often rude, thoroughly - for a long time, but giving links ... - but who reads them carefully ...
                      I understand the lack of time. Not enough for a duroscope ... hi
                  2. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 14 January 2014 10: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Ptah
                    "Legally" he is "Jewish", by blood - NO!
                    Just by blood - YES!, Since he was born Jewish and has no impurities of other nationalities.

                    How is anyone's nationality established? By homeland, by blood, by language
                    Only by blood - do not confuse nationality and mentality.

                    Jesus was called the Galilean
                    So Romanov should be called not Russian but a far-offer? laughing

                    Jesus Christ - the Son of God
                    You decided to believe it

                    and the Son of Man born of an earthly woman
                    It's like giving a drink (unless of course it existed)

                    from the Holy Spirit
                    One of the hypostases of the hosts of hosts / Yahweh.

                    Both scripture and historians researching this issue testify that Virgin Mary could not be Jewish
                    HISTORIANS ?! belay Is it from the series "British scientists have proven the virginity of conception"?
                    At the moment, there is no evidence of the existence of most of the biblical characters - this is about history.
                    And now about "Mary couldn't be Jewish" - they wrote to you in black and white in the Bible that she was from the family of Aaron. If you have decided to believe in Yeshua, then if you please take for granted the delicate moments associated with this.
                  3. Ptah
                    Ptah 14 January 2014 11: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    So Romanov should be called not Russian but a far-offer?

                    Then any American, whatever, but not an Indian. And me a "quarter-Bavarian" ...
                    Following this logic, Jesus automatically received the rights of a Jew. Since Joseph, a descendant of King David, turned out to be his universally recognized “legitimate father,” Jesus inherited his family tree as well as “formal rights to the throne of David.” Thus, calling Jesus "king of the Jews" / I'm talking about that plate on the cross /The high priests and the Pharisees did not sin very much against the truth, however, like the magi from the east who came to bow to the infant Jesus. “When Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of King Herod, the magi from the east came to Jerusalem and say: Where is the king of Judah born? For we saw his star in the east and came to worship him. Hearing this, Herod the king was alarmed, and all of Jerusalem was with him. And having gathered all the high priests and scribes of the people, he asked them: where should Christ be born? They said to him: in Bethlehem of Judea, for it is so written through the prophet: “And you, Bethlehem, the land of Judah, are no less than the voivodship of Judah; for the Leader will come out of you, who will save my people of Israel ”
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    It's like giving a drink (unless of course it existed)
                    There is currently no evidence for the existence of most of the biblical characters.

                    A highly scientific debate is rounded off due to the lack of a subject of dispute ...
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    One of the hypostases of the hosts of hosts / Yahweh.

                    Unconditionally proven the presence of Jewish anthropologists ...
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    If you have already decided to believe in Yeshua, then please take for granted the delicate moments associated with this.

                    They are "delicate" for the Jews, to whom I do not consider myself.
                    Mary was the last descendant of Melchizedek (will we dispute this?), Which in itself predetermines her unique place in the Holy History, due to which she was “Chosen by God to become the Mother of the Son of God, who will open to people the entrance to the kingdom of heaven”.
                    By his human nature, Jesus was the last descendant of Melchizedek, a native of the Russian lands (of course ?????), and by right of the adopted son of Joseph, the last heir to the king and prophet David, whose direct offspring broke off on Joseph. Joseph, as you know, had other foster children, but born in other families and therefore do not have inheritance rights from the house of David.
                  4. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 14 January 2014 13: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Ptah
                    Following this logic, Jesus automatically received Jewish rights
                    If you use logic, you quickly realize that this is not surprising - Maria is from the Levites, but they did not interfere with the aliens.

                    By his human nature, Jesus was the last descendant of Melchizedek
                    Aaron, the brother of Moses.

                    native of Russian lands (of course ?????)
                    gyy laughing

                    whose direct offspring broke off on Joseph
                    That is, the prophecy did not match and could not be a messiah.

                    .
                    Joseph, as you know, had other foster children, but born in other families and therefore do not have inheritance rights from the house of David.
                    As they say - good evening ...
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 07: 00
            +1
            Quote: Ptah
            1. Where does such confidence come from?

            This person was already on the site and was banned. So my confidence is based on a long reading of his comments.
            Quote: Ptah
            But, if you are a Christian, then you must agree with the IMMEDIATE conception. And this suggests that "Father" (adoptive) Joseph and "did not lie next to" Mary,

            And I agree, although he could lie, but with his hands, DO NOT TOUCH!
          3. Ptah
            Ptah 14 January 2014 09: 29
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Why such confidence?

            I'm talking about the nationality of Jesus.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            then he could lie, but with his hands-DO NOT TOUCH!

            We do not mention the name of the Lord in vain.
            Do you really blaspheme, sir, Alexander? It starts small - now we write this, and then we want to climb the altar with a pink stocking on a melon?
            Oh, Putin will "ban" us "for two" ... laughing
          4. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 10: 11
            +1
            Quote: Ptah
            Do you really blaspheme, sir, Alexander?

            And how else will they reach the stubborn? The Internet is mine and it is there that something real, and not rubbish, is difficult for Krajina, especially to a person who does not know the question.
            Quote: Ptah
            Oh, Putin will "ban" us "for two" ..

            Do you wear pink stockings? wassat
          5. Ptah
            Ptah 14 January 2014 10: 31
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Do you wear pink stockings?

            What are you talking about, Sash? Is it possible now .....
            The office has only neutral skin color! Pink dress in the evening .....
            To some perversion, if I meet. Yes, tighten it around his neck.
            See the crime chronicle .... laughing
  • 3.7.964
    3.7.964 13 January 2014 15: 17
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I can’t wait to see you in the ban, so you will fly there.

    And in what I violate the rules of the site? Pure argumentation, and no insults, stop deleting my comments!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 15: 52
      +1
      Quote: 3.7.964
      And in what I violate the rules of the site? Pure argument

      From Herr Prochessor learned
      The professor works on the site, insult yourself, if you want to insult someone.
      1. 3.7.964
        3.7.964 13 January 2014 16: 24
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The professor works on the site, insult yourself, if you want to insult someone.

        Please answer on the merits of the question I asked. Why in the ban? And why did they delete the comment? There are no insults, pure argumentation. I really ask Romanov, essentially answer.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 16: 55
          +1
          Quote: 3.7.964
          . Why in the ban?

          While it is not there yet, but the rules of the site prohibit insulting the administration and moderators, it is spelled out in the rules. Any other questions?
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  • Uncle
    Uncle 13 January 2014 14: 54
    +4
    Quote: 3.7.964
    Have you learned from Herr Prohessor?

    But how is it different with you? Does it make you feel that the great Russian gunsmith came to God over a 90-year milestone? For some, this is the age of wisdom, but for someone it is insanity. Think about where you will be in his years and whether at all ...
  • Khrushchev
    Khrushchev 13 January 2014 17: 15
    -5
    it’s useless to explain something to the armored one.
  • azkolt
    azkolt 13 January 2014 21: 51
    +3
    the snakes hissed!
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 14 January 2014 01: 33
    -1
    Quote: 3.7.964
    But will the patriarch repent? For the yachts

    Heard, activist-OUNovets, the yacht was donated to the Solovetsky Monastery, all expensive stuffing was removed from there. It does not belong to the Patriarch.
    Go drink a sedative.


    Personally for the "hellish" moderator Romanov. Please note that I'm not stomping on Faith

    You are doing ordinary black RP:

    ".... today we are witnessing a coordinated campaign of attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church by representatives of aggressive liberal forces. In addition, various kinds of Russophobic slop are increasingly poured from TV screens on citizens."

    "The liberal schizo will sooner or later break his head, because only people who have completely forgotten about their personal safety can constantly hit the most vulnerable place - our national identity - against the background of the privatization robbery that is taking place in the country, and flagrant social injustice.

    Apparently, once starting this anti-national sabbath, they have neither the mind nor the conscience to stop, and then, faced with the harsh reactions of society, these people will point fingers and blame someone for extremism. In fact, this aggressive liberalism - this cave-like Russophobia, blasphemy against our spiritual values ​​is the most sophisticated, the most vile extremism "

    "The present and future of Christianity, which nurtured and nurtured the European, and in many respects the entire world civilization, for millennia, turned out to be superfluous for the new masters of the world."

    "there is a powerful and cynical psychic attack on Orthodoxy"

    "Ritual murders of Orthodox priests, demonstrative desecration of our churches, insolent mockery in the media, especially on television, of the highest hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, cheeky laughing at things that are holy for believers by those who think they are the masters of life - this is what is getting stronger and stronger. more striking in Russian reality "

    G.A. Zyuganov



    watch

    What kind of watch? Who fabricated your Ukrainian Natsiks in Photoshop?
    Or those who were interviewed by a Jew and a recognized liar Solovyov?


    luxury cars

    This is just a representative car, which was presented by the German concern not only to the garage of the Russian Orthodox Church, but also to the Pope.


    for children dying of lack of money for medicines and operations.

    And is the Patriarch to blame for this?
    Did the roof leak completely?
    1. 3.7.964
      3.7.964 14 January 2014 01: 49
      0
      Quote: GreatRussia
      Did the roof leak completely?

      Do not be rude! All you can do is to be rude! For I am right! Look at the poems of Pushkin, where you slapped a minus, it's about you! hi
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 14 January 2014 02: 09
        +2
        Quote: 3.7.964
        Do not be rude! All you can do is to be rude! For I am right! Look at the poems of Pushkin, where you slapped a minus, it's about you! hi

        Pushkin at that time was fond of Freemasonry, literacy.

        Later, at Pushkin, who renounced Freemasonry:


        Нand one of them does not touch me.
        Like the one the priest repeats
        In the sad days of Lent;
        More and more often she comes to me
        And strengthens the fallen by an unknown force:
        Lord of my days! The spirit of idleness is dull
        Ancestor, snakes hidden this,
        And do not give idle words to my soul.
        But let me see my sins, oh God, sins
        And the spirit of humility, patience, love
        And chastity revive in my heart.


        Quote: 3.7.964

        Do not be rude!

        What annoys you so much? The language of your communication with opponents?
        So I just just switched to your language.
        Why now crocodile tears?
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 14 January 2014 02: 14
        +1
        Quote: 3.7.964
        For I am right!

        What is the matter with you today, Svyatoslav? So after all, surely in the morning Smirnov will send you to the jBAN.
        Now you will pick up minuses on attacks on the church, to the joy of the Jews. Then they will trample you.
        Have a smoke break, please focus on the anti-Zionist struggle. Now you play for them. request
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 14 January 2014 02: 17
          +3
          Quote: Ptah
          Now you will pick up minuses on attacks on the church, to the joy of the Jews.
          ... focus on anti-Zionist struggle

          So he pours water into their mill, copying here their agituhu almost word for word, unlike adequate atheists:

        2. 3.7.964
          3.7.964 14 January 2014 02: 28
          -1
          Quote: Ptah
          What is the matter with you today, Svyatoslav?

          Goodnight! But I can’t watch how some people are fattening, and pass it off as spirituality, while there is no money for social programs, children die because there is no means for drugs and operations. Old people fight in the transitions, and these are fattening. look at their faces is from the post of Chrysian so bursting?
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 14 January 2014 02: 31
            +2
            Quote: 3.7.964
            But I can’t watch how some people are fattening, and pass it off as spirituality ..

            The church is separated from the state.


            Quote: 3.7.964

            ... while there is no money for social programs, children die due to the lack of funds for medicines and operations. Old people fight in the transitions, and these are fattening. look at their faces is from the post of Chrysian so bursting?

            And is the Church to blame? belay
            On the faces of whom?
            In the Church, temples are free to enter even for you.
            There is no face control, otherwise those whose PR you are pouring here, in particular practically quoting "pisek", would not pour out their feces on the pulpit.
            1. 3.7.964
              3.7.964 14 January 2014 02: 49
              -1
              Quote: GreatRussia
              The church is separated from the state.

              Separate you say?
              http://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic685175.html Средства выделяются в рамках федеральной целевой программы "Укрепление единства российской нации и культурное развитие народов России". ... в связи с этим вопрос, срок действия программы - 1год, т.е. до 31 декабря 2014 года... следовательно в 2015 году результатом работы этой программы должно стать 1) "ЕДИНЕНИЙ РОссийской нации" на сколько процентов ...??? 2)"Культурное развитие народов России" на сколько процентов...??? А если единения и развития не будет, значит бабло прибрала к рукам церковь ... так получается...
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 14 January 2014 02: 49
            +3
            Quote: 3.7.964
            I can’t watch how some people are fattening

            You look the wrong way, friend. It is necessary to take a closer look at the oligarchy - this is where you can safely pinch off if you wish the AUTHORITIES. And quite legally. Believe the CHURCH DOES VERY MUCH, just the scale of the necessary help is even greater.
            For example, "1 Kanalya" day squeezed a tear from the inhabitants, collecting for the aid of the drowned Far East. We scraped together 700 lamas, of which 120 went "nahutechnical needs ".
            The church only with money, for another month quietly and without dust sent another 15 lamas for a month. The help was distributed specifically, not through the village administrations (it is clear, how much did they bite there?), But through church organizations to all those in need.
            Quote: 3.7.964
            children die due to the lack of funds for drugs and operations.

            They are and them to ** me. You need to "ask" correctly ....
      3. de klermon
        de klermon 14 January 2014 02: 35
        0
        Such as you, a man with numbers instead of a name, a Christian just feels sorry ... sorry as a suicidal man! .. A madman digging his own grave, persisting in his delusions!
        PS If you respect the classics, remember why Gogol burned the second volume of "Dead Souls"? ..
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 14 January 2014 02: 38
          +4
          Quote: de Klermon
          Such as you, a man with numbers instead of a name, a Christian just feels sorry ... sorry as a suicidal man! .. A madman digging his own grave, persisting in his delusions!

          That's it! And they are destroying themselves, and they are trying to pull the rest there.
          1. de klermon
            de klermon 14 January 2014 02: 44
            +4
            There can be no one conscience for everyone, and everyone has their own salvation, but ... A Christian, and a Russian, whoever he is, a Little Russian, a White Russian, a staple, a Pomeranian, or from where else, he must understand by birth who he was born from, he must remember that not to do what is possible to instruct the erring is a mortal sin !!!
            PS "WE ARE RUSSIANS! What a delight!"Prince Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 14 January 2014 02: 50
              +4
              Quote: de Klermon
              PS "WE ARE RUSSIANS! What a delight!" Prince Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov



              Pray today, study tomorrow, the day after tomorrow - victory or death!
              "Pray to God: victory is from him!"
              “Without this prayer, don't bare your weapons, don't load your guns, don't start anything!"

              Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov
              1. de klermon
                de klermon 14 January 2014 02: 57
                +2
                "Victory is the enemy of war!"
                Prince Alexander Suvorov
          2. Asgard
            Asgard 14 January 2014 03: 18
            +1
            3/07/964 summers from PX ... is the date that, in principle, every Russian should know ....

            As for, if "suddenly" it turns out that Mikhail Timofeevich really wrote 'THIS' ... with monograms, ornate text, bowing to anyone and calling himself a SLAVE ???????
            I’ve been on this resource for a long time, they often negate me, argue, have an excellent point of view from mine ,,,,,,
            - however, no one was convicted of lying or untruth ....
            I am 100% SURE I WRITE, I have no desire to mislead comrades, I read quickly (1500 signs per minute)) almost all the branches along with comments (the latter are often more interesting)) nicknames saber1357, Alexey, K, appeared - like young sergeants))) but they are already discussing Asgard (and assumptions))))
            .... very bitterly aware of the dense nature of some consciousnesses, and remember that you prophesy to me, it will definitely fall on you ....
            read the old people of Hume and Freud))))

            Now about the Slave ....
            Our Gods do not call us 'slaves'))))
            People call themselves, remember the “slave in the galleys”, that’s the man, in fact, admits that the overseer is standing over him, because there are no free slaves (from the whip)))) people speaking without thinking always tell the truth)))
            And you will have the opportunity to verify the justice of My Words ....
            \ I know the PRICE of the WORD, since it was with their help that the WORLD was created (if anyone did not know))))
            1. 3.7.964
              3.7.964 14 January 2014 03: 43
              +1
              Quote: Asgard
              \ I know the PRICE of the WORD, since it was with their help that the WORLD was created (if anyone did not know))))

              Well said Asgard, as always to the point!
            2. Flooding
              Flooding 14 January 2014 10: 48
              +3
              Quote: Asgard
              100% I SURE I WRITE, I have no desire to mislead comrades, I read quickly (1500 signs per minute))

              Asgard, with all due respect. Explain one of the reasons for this wonderful ability?
              I’ll hint. Try to read 1500 characters per minute, set forth in your own direct manner, very interesting but difficult to digest - the indicators would be different by an order of magnitude.

              Quote: Asgard
              Our Gods do not call us 'slaves'

              It is amazing that such an intelligent person can be so short-sighted at times that, telling the truth, he does not fully understand the meaning of what was said.
              That's it, Asgard, that the Lord does not call us his slaves.
              But Orthodox people call themselves slaves of God.

              Try to understand the difference. You only need a desire to figure it out.

              You know, today they are burying one good person, Vladimir Raskatov, with whom I had a chance to work for some time. Amazingly modest person. Only after his death did many of his colleagues learn that he was a medalist at the 1976 Olympic Games. in Montreal (silver and bronze in swimming), champion and champion of Europe.
              This is also for consideration.
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 14 January 2014 11: 09
                0
                Quote: Flood
                set out in your own direct manner

                He also once somehow paid attention to this to the authors of comments (now I don’t remember who).
                Haste in the presentation - the haste of being - haste, haste, haste ....
                So we won't have time to "play in the box", let alone write to someone before we die ...
        2. 3.7.964
          3.7.964 14 January 2014 02: 43
          0
          Quote: de Klermon
          Like you, a person with numbers instead of a name, a Christian is simply sorry.

          strain your convolutions and think about these numbers, I'll tell you, this is a date very significant for the Slovenian! Move your gray matter, Christian!
          1. de klermon
            de klermon 14 January 2014 02: 53
            +3
            Slav, this date to the context of discussion is pointless to interfere, and if you think you surprised someone, then ...
            Forgive, but what relation does the great feat of the Russian (in the broad, primordial sense) people have to aggressive attacks on the spiritual foundation of our people?
            1. 3.7.964
              3.7.964 14 January 2014 03: 00
              +1
              Quote: de Klermon
              people has to aggressive attacks on the spiritual foundation of our people?

              This is the answer to your question on numbers.
        3. Ptah
          Ptah 14 January 2014 02: 56
          +2
          Quote: de Klermon
          person-with-numbers-instead of-name

          In fairness. This digital figure is the date when the Khazar Khaganate qualitatively pulled out the shit from Svyatoslav.
          "de Klermon" "is also a rare name" that's what my perfume was called.
          Quote: de Klermon
          remember why Gogol burned the second volume of Dead Souls? ..

          Also interested. So I did not find anything reasoned. Just speculation, now incomprehensible to descendants of actions ... what
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 14 January 2014 02: 09
      +2
      Quote: GreatRussia
      Jew and recognized liar Soloviev?

      By the way, I agree about Solovyob’s definition, but here one more of his national qualities was manifested - to quickly change the direction of the stinky jet supplied by him -
      I will tell you something that no one has ever said. Forgive me for this, citizens. I suggest 5 minutes to think: why does everyone talk only about the Russian Orthodox Church, why did they concentrate in their attacks on His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, and concentrate in attacks on the Cathedral of Christ the Savior? Where does all this come from?

      Why is no one attacking us Jews? Why is there no public run over Muslim brothers? After all, the rabbis and muftis supported Putin. At the same meeting where Patriarch Kirill expressed his attitude to the elections, the representatives of all other monotheistic religions expressed the same consolidated position. But no one publishes revealing articles about the lifestyle of Berl Lazar and Shaevich, no one publishes revealing articles about the muftis: what kind of watches do they have, what do they use, what business schemes do they have? What dividends from these business schemes in the form of donations fall to religious structures that are not related to Orthodoxy? Why are we so silently intelligent?

      He feels, damn it ..... * he feels it .....
      Completely -

      www.kontra20.ru/p/solovjev-protiv-ravvina-muftija/
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 14 January 2014 02: 22
        +2
        Quote: Ptah
        He feels, damn it ..... * he feels it .....
        Completely -

        And what did you want from a member of the Jewish Congress, who:


        1. Ptah
          Ptah 14 January 2014 02: 39
          +1
          Quote: GreatRussia
          What did you want from a member of the Jewish Congress

          I am not bloodthirsty, I want one thing - at least drink ** a thread from Ziel-visor. As a maximum, if she doesn’t understand, deprivation of Russian citizenship (because he has several of them, will not decrease) and public deportation.
          About him here. More precisely, you will not say ...

          lurkmore.to/Soloviev
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 14 January 2014 02: 48
            +2
            Quote: Ptah
            I am not bloodthirsty, I want one thing - at least drink ** a thread from Ziel-visor. As a maximum, if she doesn’t understand, deprivation of Russian citizenship (because he has several of them, will not decrease) and public deportation.
            About him here. More precisely, you will not say ...


            It's not about bloodthirstiness, it's about dominance.
            I agree with you.

            About commercial channels, an interesting explanation, somewhere in the middle of the interview:

      2. Normal
        Normal 14 January 2014 07: 27
        +1
        Quote: Ptah
        By the way, I agree about the definition of Solovyob,


        Greetings Ptah. Soloviev long ago showed everyone who he is. Even in his book "We and They" I changed my position and point of view a thousand times depending on the benefit.

        Regarding paganism, Christianity, religion and faith in general.

        It seems to me that this is a personal matter for everyone. But! Note that pagans, as a rule (even here, in VO) are less aggressive than Orthodox. We do not deny the merits and historical significance of Orthodoxy in Russia. We criticize, and quite justifiably, the Russian Orthodox Church in the person of its not the best representatives, we point out the money-grubbing of the servants of the Russian Orthodox Church, we pay attention to the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church does not get rid of them, but rather justifies and covers it in every possible way.
        From the Orthodox, we see aggression addressed to us, reluctance to recognize that Russia was originally pagan and that it declared itself in the world and gained independence (from Khazaria). Attacks on Faith.
        Moreover, the Orthodox often deny pagans the right to exist at all: "Orthodoxy or death"!
        In this aggression, the Orthodox converge with the Wahhabis. Those are simply not limited to words, but have long gone over to business.
        I think that this is not right. We are primarily RUSSIAN, and only then
        Orthodox, pagans or atheists.
        Sincerely ... hi
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 14 January 2014 10: 23
          +3
          Greetings Vladimir! hi
          Quote: Normal
          Moreover, the Orthodox often deny pagans the right to exist at all: "Orthodoxy or death"!

          I disagree. The aforementioned slogan is not a call to any kind of actions, for which the notorious "two-eight" was introduced. This is a proposal to reflect on the consequences of forgetfulness in general of religion in Euzopia. About emphasizing Orthodoxy, in the absence of another constructive ideology, as the only unifying force. I think we will not dispute its role in the era of difficult years for Russia.
          As for the criticism of the ROC as a structure. Here, on many "Orthodox" sites, calls are often heard, they say "that the Patriarch is silent - they are destroying us by all means! We need to have his weighty word." But here the questions are not for the clergy, but for global politics.
          For example, the Patriarch will pronounce such words from the pulpit (exaggeratedly). "Russians! How long? Finish the blockheads and the Judeo-Zionists!" Let's finish. But what will start after that ...
          Therefore, here it is like a razor's edge. Regarding the "untold riches" of the clergy. As you have to believe, I have never met such, although I know several priests personally, and even the husband of a cousin in dignity. Father Vitaly. Serves a long time - could only save up for the old "ten", but the house has been building for six years.
          He said to me, "If you don't trust, don't bring money. Find another way to help." My wife and I found it. And there are a lot of them. Last. Were at home, for Christmas. The town is small, there is little "entertainment", we went as a family to a holiday at one of the temples, a Christmas tree and a concert by the children of the Sunday school. Only there you can still meet KIND CHILDREN, in the rest of the world - cubs.
          Then, while drinking tea, a leaflet came to my attention that a choir from the Kazan monastery will be traveling on January 21 in the city, the first part of the concert in the repertoire is RUSSIAN old romances, and in the second there are church chants.
          I wondered how people would find out about a good event. Answered advertising in the media, expensive, etc.
          He took one sheet. The next day, I drove up to the nearest office, left some money and, while they were typing, drove into local TV and ordered a running line for a week, then rode around the city and put up announcements. Help.
          And on that day, the wife talked with a woman who leads classes at the school with the child. She told her that girls have an interest in needlework, but consumables are sorely lacking. And then they try to sell something on other crafts. And there’s nothing for the boys to do. Hockey sticks, skis, sports equipment not everyone can afford ...
          The next day, the wife went to the store and bought a box of thread, yarn, hoop and something else, phoned and sent a taxi to it all. I'm already thinking of buying a couple of burners for boys, and an electric jigsaw for sawing. I’ll bring it next time.
          So this can be help.
          Quote: Normal
          I think that this is not right. We are primarily RUSSIAN, and only then
          Orthodox, pagans or atheists.

          Here it is * opu and fights some. And all attempts are reduced to breaking up the above. This is least necessary for Orthodoxy. To get like this ...
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 14 January 2014 11: 26
          +4
          Quote: Normal
          Moreover, the Orthodox often deny pagans the right to exist at all: "Orthodoxy or death"!

          For me, this expression means something completely different.
          Orthodoxy or the death of my soul.
          What else can an Orthodox person think?
          And how can a pagan interpret it?
    3. Ukraine Glory
      Ukraine Glory 14 January 2014 07: 09
      0
      Quote: GreatRussia
      ".... today we are witnessing a coordinated campaign of attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church by representatives of aggressive liberal forces. In addition, various kinds of Russophobic slop are increasingly poured from TV screens on citizens."

      Is father Andrei also liberal? Or simply, as an Orthodox priest, against the dominance of homosexuals in the Russian Orthodox Church?
      Do not confuse faith and crooks adhering to it!
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 14 January 2014 03: 16
    +2
    Quote: 3.7.964
    I agree! Soon they will make everyone repent, astronauts

    You would be ashamed of your agitation.

    The history of relations between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian cosmonautics dates back to the first manned space flight. These relations developed even during the period of the active struggle of the Soviet state with religion, and in recent years they have been given a special positive impetus. Colonel Valentin Petrov, one of their main eyewitnesses, associate professor of the Yuri Gagarin Air Force Academy, spoke about some episodes of interaction between the Orthodox Church and Russian cosmonautics in an interview with the Interfax-Religion portal.


    - Valentin Vasilyevich, you were close friends with Yuri Gagarin. The first astronaut, according to some stories, was a believer, although he did not advertise this. Is it possible to say that the Orthodox faith was another unspoken but connecting link of your friendship — young Soviet pilots in those difficult years of state atheism for the Church?

    - Yuri Alekseevich, like all Russian people, was a baptized man and, as far as I know, a believer... Our joint trip to the Trinity-Sergius Lavra in 1964, just when Gagarin turned 30, remains unforgettable for me. He, so lively by nature, somehow asked me directly if I had been to the laurel. Having received an affirmative answer, he offered to go again, and we set off immediately - in the evening, disguised as "civilian". Fools are fools, of course, because Gagarin will be in disguise ... When we arrived at the Lavra, a crowd of people went to him for autographs. The service had not even ended yet, but everyone, having learned about Gagarin's arrival, rushed to him. Such was the people's love for Yura, and he could not refuse anyone. ..............


    - But what about the famous phrase attributed to Gagarin - "I flew into space, but I did not see God"?

    - Yes, it was definitely not Gagarin who said it, but Khrushchev! This was due to the plenary session of the Central Committee, which addressed the issue of anti-religious propaganda. Khrushchev then set the task for all party and Komsomol organizations to raise this very propaganda and said: well, what are you clinging to for God there? Gagarin flew into space, but did not see God. However, after some time, these words began to be presented in another aspect. They began to refer not to Khrushchev, but to Gagarin, who was a favorite of the people, and such a phrase from his lips would be of great importance. Khrushchev is supposedly not very believed, but Gagarin will be believed for sure. But Gagarin never said anything about this, he could not say such a thing.


    More:
    http://www.interfax-religion.ru/print.php?act=interview&id=73
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 14 January 2014 03: 22
      +1
      From 2 minutes 34 sec
      Document signed by Gagarin from 3 min 04 sec


      Next:


      Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, pilot-cosmonaut Georgy Grechko:

      Why do I believe? Because during the war, not even at the front, but in the rear or in the occupation, as happened to me, a man has no other hope but for God. And I can tell you that then almost everyone was a believer.
      http://www.newizv.ru/society/2007-04-12/67775-dvazhdy-geroj-sovetskogo-sojuza-le

      tchik-kosmonavt-georgij-grechko.html

      Next:

      Alexey Arkhipovich Leonov:
      http://www.foma.ru/article/index.php?news=1748

      Etc.
    2. 3.7.964
      3.7.964 14 January 2014 03: 53
      0
      Quote: GreatRussia
      The history of relations between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian cosmonautics dates back to the first manned space flight. These relations developed even during the period of the active struggle of the Soviet state with religion, and in recent years they have been given a special positive impetus. About some episodes of interaction between the Orthodox Church and the Russian cosmonautics in an interview with the portal

      laughing The history of relations of the Russian Orthodox Church originates from the moment of the first manned space flight. Well, nonsense! So what kind of relationship? And what is the positive impulse? And what are the episodes of interaction? Can rockets sprinkled with holy water not fall? So itch-pound, still falling! Grit Rush, stop, I understand your impulse, but that's it, otherwise I can’t read it anymore, do you have common sense? I think he is completely absent!
  • Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 13 January 2014 13: 23
    +3
    still jump !!!! and describe from indignation that the Russian Man is one with the Russian Church laughing
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  • Alexey K.
    Alexey K. 13 January 2014 16: 36
    +8
    B R E D CHURCHES

    F A L S I F I K A C I

    Dear Asgard. Interestingly, you will write in the same letters when, despite all your speculations and personal reasoning, everything that is written in the article turns out to be true? Or are you an expert on the human soul? God works in mysterious ways. So it is better "do not judge and do not be judged." By the way, the famous songwriter Bulat Okudzhava was baptized two days before his death. Or is it also nonsense in your opinion.
  • avt
    avt 13 January 2014 17: 35
    +7
    Quote: Asgard
    B R E D CHURCHES

    F A L S I F I K A C I
    Get used to it, more than once this envious pack, who never really did anything but learned to bark like that pug from Krylov’s fable on an elephant, will crawl out and crap on the grave, trying to at least rise up like this. bite mongrel stealthily. Yes, he quite worthily put them all in their place. Well, now how will he answer them ?? So they are dancing on the grave, confident in their own impunity. There will be simpletons who have believed in it, already by the example of other people who have noted in Life as Deeds, and not as empty bullshit.
    1. Pinochet000
      Pinochet000 13 January 2014 20: 11
      +1
      Quote: avt
      Well, now how will he answer them ??

      The Creator will always find a way how to put in place, stinkers presumptuous, if not Right .... through his creation for example)
  • Russ69
    Russ69 13 January 2014 18: 32
    +4
    Quote: Asgard
    B R E D CHURCHES

    F A L S I F I K A C I

    If, personally, you are negative towards the church, this does not mean that others have the same opinion.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 13 January 2014 22: 37
    +2
    Quote: Asgard
    B R E D CHURCHES

    F A L S I F I K A C I

    The question is whose falsification is it and against whom. This falsification is explicitly against the Russian Orthodox Church.
  • saber1357
    saber1357 14 January 2014 00: 30
    -3
    Oh, the American colonel from Stargate reappeared. How is the face of the body there, in the WASA of the CCA?
  • nokki
    nokki 13 January 2014 11: 28
    +14
    In this, the Russian weapons genius Kalashnikov echoes another Russian genius - poetic - Pushkin. At sunset, his short but vibrant life, Alexander Sergeyevich wrote one of his greatest works:

    The fathers of the hermits and wives are innocent,
    To fly away in the field
    To strengthen it in the midst of valley storms and battles,
    They composed many divine prayers;
    But not one of them touches me,
    Like the one the priest repeats
    In the sad days of Lent;
    More and more often she comes to me
    And strengthens the fallen by an unknown force:
    Lord of my days! the spirit of idleness dull
    Ancestor, snakes hidden this,
    And do not give idle words to my soul.
    But let me see my sins, oh god, transgressions
    My brother will not accept judgment from me,
    And the spirit of humility, patience, love
    And chastity revive in my heart.


    God and Russia are with us!
    1. 3.7.964
      3.7.964 14 January 2014 01: 08
      0
      Quote: nokki
      genius - poetic - Pushkin.

      Freedom sower is a desert,
      I went out early, to the star;
      A clean and innocent hand
      In the enslaved reins
      Threw a life-giving seed -
      But I lost only time,
      Good thoughts and works ...

      Ride, peaceful people!
      You will not be awakened by the call.
      Why herds of gifts of freedom?
      They should be cut or cut.
      Their inheritance from generation to generation
      Yarmo with rattles and scourge.

      A.S. Pushkin
  • Vladimir.z.
    Vladimir.z. 13 January 2014 11: 30
    0
    One PR and those who write and those who post it ....
    1. pink
      pink 13 January 2014 11: 49
      +9
      Judge not lest ye be judged!!!
  • mr_Doom
    mr_Doom 13 January 2014 11: 34
    .
    Kalashnikov a priori cannot be a believer because he is a man from those distant times, when religion was banned and propaganda of the personality cult of Stalin was going on, a letter of nonsense.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 13 January 2014 12: 52
      +8
      Quote: mr_Doom
      Kalashnikov a priori cannot be a believer because he is a man from those distant times, when religion was banned and propaganda of the personality cult of Stalin was going on, a letter of nonsense.


      But the data of the 1939 census of the USSR in my opinion of the year, your words do not confirm. It seems like then the vast majority called themselves believers.
      1. mr_Doom
        mr_Doom 13 January 2014 13: 23
        -1
        What did the communists do with the churches? This will be the answer to the question of faith.
        1. invisibility
          invisibility 13 January 2014 22: 02
          -1
          Communists. I’ll ask.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 13 January 2014 22: 43
          -4
          Quote: mr_Doom
          What did the communists do with the churches? This will be the answer to the question of faith.

          How can we know what YOU communists have done with the churches?
    2. Detector
      Detector 13 January 2014 13: 17
      +7
      I personally know a lot of people how you say:
      Quote: mr_Doom
      from those distant times, when religion was banned and there was propaganda of the Stalin personality cult

      And while they are sincerely believing people
    3. Alexey K.
      Alexey K. 13 January 2014 13: 42
      +8
      Can an unbeliever rebuild the church in which he was baptized?
      1. Detector
        Detector 13 January 2014 13: 56
        +9
        If a person restores the church according to his spiritual impulse, then he is no longer an unbeliever.
        Although it is important, it does not matter when it is baptized.
    4. Anper
      Anper 13 January 2014 15: 06
      +2
      Quote: mr_Doom
      when religion was banned and propaganda of the Stalin personality cult was going on,

      And religion was not forbidden then - those who really needed it went to church, and what does Stalin’s personality cult have to do with it, because Kalashnikov not only lived with him, and it was Stalin who returned the church its proper status.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 13 January 2014 15: 35
        +3
        And here it worked right. I press "+" once, and the numbers change to TWO UNITS.
        Wonderful are your works! what
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 13 January 2014 22: 44
          +2
          Quote: Ptah
          And here it worked right. I press "+" once, and the numbers change to TWO UNITS.
          Wonderful are your works!

          This "miracle" is easily explained as long as you read someone else voted.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 13 January 2014 23: 54
            0
            Thanks. I know it. I'm just fed up with explaining it to people with a serious expression. In order to avoid such "misunderstandings" in the future, it is easier for administrators to "hang a memo" somewhere in a conspicuous place. hi
  • predator.3
    predator.3 13 January 2014 11: 38
    +12
    “Last years I was preparing his letters, but I have no relation to this letter,” Elena Mikhailovna explained to Izvestia.


    How many times did Mikhail Timofeevich speak in his interviews, that he created weapons to defend the homeland!
    and you can kill with a knife and a club, and even with one stroke of the hand! And this scribble DUCK! Another method of information war against Russia!
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 13 January 2014 12: 03
      +6
      Quote: predator.3
      this scribble DUCK

      And since Izvestia is involved here - a duck in twins!
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 13 January 2014 17: 57
      +7
      Quote: predator.3
      How many times did Mikhail Timofeevich say in his interviews that he had created weapons to defend the Motherland!

      I don’t remember who said it: "Good should be with fists!" In my opinion, Mikhail Timofeevich, creating his machine gun, did good. May he rest in peace!
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    4. Russ69
      Russ69 13 January 2014 18: 40
      +4
      Quote: predator.3
      And this scribble DUCK! Another method of information war against Russia!

      And where is the information war here? Or a believer in the Orthodox Church, is already an enemy for you?
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 13 January 2014 21: 06
        +1
        Quote: Russ69
        And where is the information war here? Or a believer in the Orthodox Church, is already an enemy for you?

        Yes, all this nonsense is information war!
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 13 January 2014 22: 46
        -2
        Quote: Russ69
        And where is the information war here? Or a believer in the Orthodox Church, is already an enemy for you?

        This vyser compromises the Russian Orthodox Church, whoever published it is "already an enemy" for us.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 14 January 2014 03: 02
          +3
          Quote: Setrac
          the one who published it is "already an enemy" for us.

          Too easy, you assign enemies to yourself ...
      3. aviator65
        aviator65 14 January 2014 00: 54
        +2
        Actually, a person believes (if he believes!) In God. Orthodox faith is one of the ways to God. And the church (any) is just an intermediary between God and people, the organization is purely earthly. Do not mix these two concepts.
  • Andronic
    Andronic 13 January 2014 11: 40
    +4
    You are liberoids like hamsters. Khodorkovsky also said that they did not expect him and everything, immediately delirium, went crazy, etc. Why are you talking nonsense about the beliefs of another person?
  • taseka
    taseka 13 January 2014 11: 40
    +13
    A great man has come to God!
    1. Alexey K.
      Alexey K. 13 January 2014 13: 44
      +6
      All liberalists do not like this — they immediately howled and whined that everyone was BREEEED! Poor people — God help them.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 January 2014 11: 41
    +7
    Quote: Vladimir.z.
    One PR and those who write and those who post it ....

    When people begin to write the truth! we immediately BEGIN the mustache!
    WHEN WILL YOU BEGIN THE PEOPLE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR LOVE RESPECT THAT ???

    Kalashnikov was a great MAN! God forbid, LET HIS NAME BE SAVED FOR AGE!
  • shark
    shark 13 January 2014 11: 49
    -4
    A blessed memory to Mikhail Timofeevich. A true patriot and a true citizen. I want to say this: God is with us, so who is against us. And to animals claiming that this is the PR of the Russian Orthodox Church, you’ll have to worry, a man without faith is without good in his heart. sunset of life. You apparently have not been given ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 January 2014 12: 00
      +8
      Quote: shark
      .A to animals claiming that this is the PR of the Russian Orthodox Church

      Well done, excelled. True christian. Note- Nobody called you animals. And no one rolls a barrel of faith here, they only say that the letter is like a PR campaign of the top of the Russian Orthodox Church. negative
      1. Detector
        Detector 13 January 2014 13: 29
        +6
        I know a little "the kitchen of the top of the Russian Orthodox Church" ...
        They will never go to such a misinformation.
        Despite the external pump, which is often excessive, which many cheat on, there are very sensible people, in our information time everything is checked and tested very carefully, forgery if it took place, it would hit the Russian Orthodox Church (if theoretically this is assumed).
        There would be an order of magnitude more minuses than pluses.
        1. Vasia kruger
          Vasia kruger 14 January 2014 10: 05
          -1
          Quote: Detector
          I know a little "the kitchen of the top of the Russian Orthodox Church" ...


          And who says that this is the business of the top of the ROC? may well be a local initiative ...
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      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 January 2014 13: 55
        +1
        "Under the most beautiful peacock's tail is an ordinary chicken ass. So there is less pathos, gentlemen." (F. Ranevskaya)))))))))))))))) Faina is still hot today !!! )))))))
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 13 January 2014 14: 27
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Faina and today zhzhot !!!

          And what else is this jiudovice-lyceum capable of ....
          They proposed a serious topic, not even for discussion, but for AWARENESS, and then monkey ape ....
          "Faina zhzhot" ...... ya-ha-ha ... Note, not "faina zhzhot", but such as "faina, regina, sabrina" burn the brains of "yurichs" ...

          Eeeh you, Russian people ... Yes, you will be shown their chewed finger from the screens, you are glad to giggle, just not to think.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 13 January 2014 16: 50
            +1
            unlike YOU, Faina Ranevskaya is a beloved artist who has earned the recognition of the people, and YOU ARE NOBODY ... and you will leave with nobody forgotten the next day ...
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 14 January 2014 09: 37
              +1
              this actress once blurted out: "My beloved men-Christ, Chaplin, Herzen, Dr. Schweiner, there are still too lazy to remember."

              it is necessary ... too lazy to remember, apparently, mean nothing)
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 14 January 2014 17: 55
                +1
                Faina Ranevskaya blurted out a lot of things, and to the point ...
      2. Detector
        Detector 13 January 2014 14: 18
        0
        Quote: baltika-18
        considering the words of the same Volkov "This letter was very appropriate during attacks on the church ...."


        Judging by the tone and degree of discussion in this topic - it is completely inappropriate.
        Shouting about forgery, falsification, public relations would nullify the value of this news.
        Against that background, it would have sounded more “improbable”, like some kind of excuse.

        Therefore, very competently made a temporary exposure.
    4. shark
      shark 14 January 2014 08: 55
      +2
      Judging by the minuses, the hamster leaked here too. Damn it ...
  • AK-47
    AK-47 13 January 2014 11: 57
    +8
    PR, not PR, but very logical. I think this is his emotional impulse.
  • Snipe 74
    Snipe 74 13 January 2014 12: 12
    +10
    A good product does not need PR. What I can not say about many on this forum. The larger the stars, the more conceited the person. Although you write quite robust things, but between the lines you can see your narcissism. At sunset, the life of Kalashnikov MT did the most important thing. Before eternity, man has lightened his soul, and you are PRAIRING about it. And why does the church need this? What is the reason to invent fictional stories about the repose of a person. Now in people, a real turning point has come. We got drunk all the fill, we have everything, only the soul is crying from the void. Anyone familiar with this feeling will understand, but those who in faith see PR condolences.
  • makarov
    makarov 13 January 2014 12: 21
    +13
    Conscientious and honest people always worry about their actions, despite the fact that they are right !!!
  • RUSS
    RUSS 13 January 2014 13: 27
    +2
    A bunch of atheists, hollow-bones and envious people.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 January 2014 13: 57
      +1
      a bunch of narrow-minded, deceived and believing in fairy tales ... Santa Claus is also a real person for you? wassat
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 13 January 2014 14: 32
        +7
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        a bunch of narrow-minded, deceived and believing in fairy tales ... Santa Claus is also a real person for you? wassat


        My comment was not for everyone, but apparently judging by the downsides, there are "atheists and idle talkers" and people position themselves that way.
        If suddenly on the street someone whistles or shouts - "hey goat", I don’t turn around (maybe I’m not a goat), just as here if there is a minus for a comment, then people think that it is definitely addressed to them, and who does not consider himself an atheist will pass by my comment.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 14 January 2014 19: 17
          +1
          my comment is not for everyone, but only for those who will respond to my comment-bunch of narrow-minded, deceived and believing in fairy tales ... Santa Claus is also a real person for you ....? and as we see, there are such .... responded ... wassat
  • Detector
    Detector 13 January 2014 13: 32
    +13
    Personally, I think that Mikhail Kalashnikov is the best example of a real Russian man.
  • family tree
    family tree 13 January 2014 13: 33
    +20
    In general, I did not even read. He wrote, did not write, my attitude to this person, this will not change. He was Great, and he will remain, but his relationship with the church, his work, which should not concern others, is too personal.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 13 January 2014 14: 07
      +11
      I agree with you. In addition, when a person feels that he will leave, he often changes his attitude to actions, people and God as well. I see it from my father.
      1. Walking
        Walking 13 January 2014 15: 07
        +2
        I also agree with this opinion. It seems to me if this letter is true, then it was not worth the church workers to take out a personal public for them minus it.
  • vkrav
    vkrav 13 January 2014 14: 02
    +2
    During his lifetime, a person spoke quite categorically on this topic more than once ... And after death, a "letter" suddenly pops up ... In any case, this does not add to the authority of the ROC LLC.
    1. Anper
      Anper 13 January 2014 14: 55
      -6
      + I put a plus so because the plus on the right near the number miraculously turns into a minus.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 13 January 2014 15: 17
        +1
        Quote: Anper
        right next to the numbers miraculously turns into a minus.

        I don’t know, I’m OK - I press on "-", and the numbers appear negative.
        Divine providence is not otherwise. Be careful - the "cloud special forces" are watching you, it is not even the hour and the archangels will send.
        1. Anper
          Anper 13 January 2014 15: 21
          -1
          However, they were scared of you - it worked fine for you, and before that, even with a special check, people had minuses from me.
  • Peace war
    Peace war 13 January 2014 14: 11
    +5
    It is likely that the letter is not falsification, but rather it was like some kind of reasoning and summing up of life, but it was simply simply adapted to the format of the photo frame and added a touch of love for the church.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 13 January 2014 15: 21
      0
      Quote: Peace War
      it just simply fit the frame format with photos

      At this age, Mikhail Timofeevich could have poor eyesight. And problems with the letter.
      The article also indicates what DOCHKA wrote. And the appeared "vignettes" are the usual WOMEN'S SENTIMENTALITY. hi love
      1. aviator65
        aviator65 14 January 2014 01: 07
        0
        But the daughter just claims that she has nothing to do with this letter!
        Perhaps some letter was, it is possible that it was written by the hand of Mikhail Timofeevich himself. But the fact that we were shown here as an original cannot be in any way.
  • tnship2
    tnship2 13 January 2014 14: 34
    +4
    Those who attack the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH apparently never go to any temple at all. Voidness and pride. Here he fenced off with walls
    Hung on top of the roofs
    Locked up, secluded
    And shameful doing

    And do not see and do not hear
    What is your shame from there
    Seen as if they took off the roof
    And stare at you point blank

    Raised his eyes - God right!
    Ile a criminal to escape
    Ile pants to fill up first
    Or remove the corpse first
    YES. Prigov. And General Kalashnikov, by the will of God, will forever remain great
  • Stasi
    Stasi 13 January 2014 14: 42
    +8
    Whether this letter is true or not, I will not speak. The main thing is that this letter expresses the heartache and doubts of the great man and gunsmith! How humanly all this is understandable! I am sure that Kalashnikov has nothing to reproach himself for his life, and especially there is no fault for inventing the best weapons of the twentieth century. His weapons protected our country and other countries from destruction, and the fact that Kalashnikov’s weapons kill not only soldiers but also civilians is not to blame for Mikhail Timofeevich. He devoted his whole life to defending Russia and it was not his fault that the country had lost and weakened a lot. This is our fault. The name Kalashnikov will go down in history and the galaxy of the most famous gunsmiths who glorified their country and people. The kingdom of heaven and eternal rest to you Mikhail Timofeevich! And forgive us that we could not save and protect our country to the service of which you have devoted your whole life.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 13 January 2014 14: 44
    +8
    Conscientious person. Real Russian. Americans don’t suffer. They dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and nothing. All for the glory of God. Likewise, they killed all the Indians, for the glory of profit.
  • Zapasnoy
    Zapasnoy 13 January 2014 14: 50
    +15
    Man has come to his Creator. It is gratifying. He who does not want to be with God is not forcibly dragged. The doors of the Church are always open (until recent times). Let's better sincerely rejoice for Mikhail Timofeevich.
    Anyone who doubts the truth of the letter has the right to do so. Just do not need to use this right as another reason to express hatred of the priesthood, the Patriarch, the Russian Orthodox Church, of which many of those present on this site are members (and do not regret or are ashamed about this). Our Church is not a secular organization, and does not need PR.
    May the Lord rest the soul of the deceased slave Michael, forgive him the sins, both unknown and unknown, and grant him the kingdom of heaven.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 13 January 2014 22: 49
      -1
      Quote: Zapasnoy
      Man has come to his Creator. It is gratifying. He who does not want to be with God is not forcibly dragged. The doors of the Church are always open (until recent times).

      Do not confuse warm with soft. "Being with God" and "Being in the church" are not the same thing and are not synonymous. The path to God does not go through the doors of the church.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 13 January 2014 23: 37
        +3
        . The path to God does not go through the doors of the church


        "man is a social being"

        Christ twice could choose the path of Buddha (Sakyamuni), but he did not choose even once ...

        therefore, we can say with much greater confidence that the path to God necessarily lies through "social projects"

        and "my God is in me" - this has already passed ... this is closer to Buddhism, and even to Judaism)
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 13 January 2014 23: 44
          -1
          Quote: fisherman
          Christ twice could choose the path of Buddha (Sakyamuni), but he did not choose even once ...

          However, Christ did not choose the path of the Patriarch or the pope.
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 13 January 2014 23: 48
            +2
            However, Christ did not choose the path of the patriarch or pope


            of course

            because the church has not yet been built
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 14 January 2014 03: 23
            +4
            Quote: Setrac
            Christ did not choose the path of the Patriarch or the pope.

            He is primarily a MAN, but the SON OF GOD.
            Who would "let" him and so was lucky to live only 33 years, unlike Mohamed, or Moses.
            He lived a little, but did as much as after him and did not make billions, in vain "digging the sky."
            And he would not have chosen the path "to the Vatican", or another throne
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 14 January 2014 09: 49
              +2
              the Hippocratic oath is a kind of scripture for doctors (as estates),

              so, when someone from this estate (or from another estate - as a cut of society, for example, from law enforcement agencies, from the military, etc.)) violates the oath (oath), that is, commits a sin, then modern atheists perceive it as much calmer)

              they explain this by the fact that it is the believers, and it is the ROC that torment them every day, every minute :)
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 14 January 2014 10: 47
                +1
                Quote: fisherman
                The Russian Orthodox Church annoys them every day, every minute :)

                Of course. Another ROC every month sends receipts for payment of rotten housing,
                The Russian Orthodox Church introduced fees in universities to the level of Harvard,
                only the Russian Orthodox Church whines from the screens, coming up with an almost state program "Help to get the child to school" (shame to spit ...),
                The Russian Orthodox Church arranged two lines in polyclinics: one "free per kilometer", the other "preferential", but for the loot (on equipment purchased from the budget),
                The Russian Orthodox Church steals in absolutely all areas, so that it’s impossible to look into the eyes of a sick child,
                The Russian Orthodox Church sticks out such a vulgarity every day that, looking with the children, you don’t know where to hide your eyes from the questions they have,
                ROC, ROC, ROC ....
                They are all to blame .... We must end with them ...
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 14 January 2014 11: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Ptah
                  Another ROC every month sends receipts for payment of rotten housing

                  But still sends laughing
                  1. Ptah
                    Ptah 14 January 2014 11: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    But still sends

                    I don’t. I do not live in "departmental housing", not at a monastery, and not in a "state house". Fuck me ....., ......, .... ........ officials, they send a steamer to their mouths. This is for the "Orthodox", and for the "Rodnovers" most likely -

                    ... something Yaga sends,
                    No more dangerous than the enemy.
                    Before her is any church -
                    So, a simple small fry.

                    Yaga:
                    - "And I am a folklore element,
                    I have a document
                    I generally can from here
                    Fly away in a moment ... "
                    (C)

                    Allegorically. The meaning is "to taste" ...
                    For sim, I bow. There was a desire to work. It’s important not to frighten off.hi
  • GOGY
    GOGY 13 January 2014 14: 54
    -5
    In vain he was so, he had to be proud, and not repent. He honestly served his people, created the best weapon in the world to protect OUR MOTHERLAND, that is, in fact, did the Holy Work, so why was this letter written? And to whom, to whom, in essence, Kalashnikov refers, to the subject who called his ancestors (Kalashnikov) savages and barbarians. It is clear that Gundyaev does not associate himself with the Slavs, he has different roots, but really didn’t Kalashnikov feel offended by his ancestors? That's why I do not understand his repentance. Either all this crap, or - I do not understand
    1. Zapasnoy
      Zapasnoy 13 January 2014 15: 10
      +4
      The ingenious designer was simply worried that the invention he created served not only to protect his homeland, but was the reason for the death of innocent people in the hands of villains, that the blood of these people was partially laid on the creator of the weapon. Even during the life of Mikhail Timofeevich, the Patriarch answered, as follows from the article, that the creation of an automaton with a good purpose was not a sin.
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 13 January 2014 15: 26
      +2
      Quote: GOGY
      In vain he is so, he should have been proud, and not repent
      to the subject who called his great-grandfathers (Kalashnikov) savages and barbarians.
      It is clear that Gundyaev does not associate himself with the Slavs.

      Go to the nearest Kazan mosque, there they will welcome you with joy. With such highways ...
      Then a great wah-hobbit will come out of you! Just explode somewhere far away from people at the training ground.
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 13 January 2014 15: 02
    +7
    PR, not PR ... And I believe that Mikhail Timofeevich was a PATRIOT and Orthodox, and his inventions were created for the PROTECTION of the MOTHERLAND. I understand him. Rest in peace, you will not be forgotten and you will not be considered the killer of the innocent. As Stinger said -
    Quote: Stinger
    ... dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and nothing
    ...
    Rest in peace.
  • Peace war
    Peace war 13 January 2014 15: 29
    0
    Quote: Ptah
    And the appeared "vignettes" are the usual WOMEN'S SENTIMENTALITY. hi love


    Just honestly, I would not have such sentimentality ..)
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 13 January 2014 16: 48
      +1
      Quote: Peace War
      I wouldn’t have such sentimentality.

      In my opinion, this is not normal. How abnormal is the phrase "Peace War", especially for a woman.
      "War does not have a woman's face" (C). I like "moderately whimpering aunts" more than mustachioed-haired Amazons. I don't want to PROTECT such people, I want to FIGHT with such people.

      Threat. Little advice for the future.
      If you want to answer someone specifically, then first click on the "answer" button in the comment, then select the passage, if the selection is not cleared, then on "quote" well and state.
      With this method, the one who is being contacted receives a response to the mailbox ...
      1. Peace war
        Peace war 13 January 2014 17: 58
        +3
        And I think it is quite normal not to show sentimentality in the form of a "vignette". But nevertheless, this is just our difference in views.

        Thanks for the advice, I rarely comment, because I don’t know how it is, I’ll take into account the future winked
  • w2000
    w2000 13 January 2014 15: 49
    -3
    Fake Popovskaya!
  • Victor1
    Victor1 13 January 2014 15: 58
    +2
    Provocation and fake, did not even read.
    1. Victor1
      Victor1 13 January 2014 20: 38
      +5
      he was once asked if you feel guilty that millions of people were killed with your weapon? do you sleep well? He replied, I sleep well, and I do not feel guilty, let those who unleash wars, hot spots, kill innocents, my weapon serves to protect my homeland, sleep badly and feel guilty. and suddenly after death "his" letter appears, and even in such a design. everything is obvious here.
  • w2000
    w2000 13 January 2014 16: 13
    +6
    M.T. Kalashnikov, until the very last days of his life, was a convinced communist. And he didn’t repent of anything, much less could repent of something in the church. You can look at YouTube, his interview, where journalists ask similar questions that they say it’s not repulsive, that millions of people are being killed from your invention. To which he replies: no, I do not regret anything, and I did everything right and for the good of the Soviet Motherland.

    "I have been a communist since 1952. In a country ruled by communists, I, the seventeenth child in a peasant family, was able to become a designer of small arms, rise to the heights of professional skill. Under the leadership of the Communist Party, my generation won a terrible war, built a powerful state, paved the way for mankind to enter space, created the world's best models of technology. We still live by this great Soviet legacy. " Kalashnikov
  • Detector
    Detector 13 January 2014 16: 14
    +7
    There is an interesting moment:
    Articles affecting spirituality cause an explosion of discussion.
    On the one hand, it is gratifying; there is no coolness in people. Questions of eternity excite minds. Many want to speak out, no matter how. I consider this a sign of the health of our nation. Everyone has his own spiritual path.
    But if we take, for example, the sum of statements for and against the Russian Orthodox Church, it turns out that those who oppose use "emotional stuffing" and no more, which indicates a very low quality of the intellectuality of these posts.
    I am not against criticism of the Russian Orthodox Church, it is needed, but I am against unfounded accusations: like "I think so and that's it!" Such statements are not of a constructive nature, in which it is possible to search for the truth of a document.
    1. Khrushchev
      Khrushchev 13 January 2014 17: 24
      -3
      Quote: Detector
      like "I think so and that's it!". Such statements are not constructive in which it is possible to search for the truth of a document

      Maybe you're right. Even most likely. But you must admit that a discussion with PGM apologists is difficult to conduct in terms of rational logic
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 13 January 2014 18: 01
        +4
        Quote: Khrushchev
        with apologists PGM

        You were insulted by the apologist AGM or OUN-Bendera so that you would rush at people here on the basis of only the opposite of your worldview?
        1. does it
          does it 13 January 2014 21: 33
          -1
          Quote: GreatRussia
          You were insulted by the apologist AGM or OUN-Bendera so that you would rush at people here on the basis of only the opposite of your worldview?

          Okay, you’re upset, now a moderator will appear shpuntik and all comments of slanderers are deleted, leaving only the most. what
      2. Detector
        Detector 13 January 2014 21: 51
        -1
        I don’t understand the word of chesse, what is the abbreviation "PGM"

        But in fact - dialogue must be conducted with a cold mind.
        Of course we get excited ... it happens ... but we need to somehow cool down,
        and then think together, respecting someone else’s point of view.
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 13 January 2014 22: 53
        -1
        Quote: Khrushchev
        Maybe you're right. Even most likely. But you must admit that a discussion with PGM apologists is difficult to conduct in terms of rational logic

        He is not right.
        Quote: Detector
        I am not against criticism of the Russian Orthodox Church, it is needed, but I am against unfounded accusations: like "I think so and that's it!" Such statements are not of a constructive nature, in which it is possible to search for the truth of a document.

        A war is being waged against Russia, including an information war, and no "constructive dialogue" with the enemies will work.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 13 January 2014 17: 02
    +3
    I still understand that all questions to the Designer are related to the fact that he is not a Jew?
  • German
    German 13 January 2014 17: 08
    +7
    I read a couple of first comments. I realized that if I can't form my own opinion further, I decided: nafig! I was in Armenia (as a special group - from a re-enterprise in 91-92 and I can say that thanks to the "Kalash" I alive ... Mikhail Timofeevich has nothing to repent of - he created weapons to protect the FATHERLAND! Low bow to HIM!
  • Stas57
    Stas57 13 January 2014 18: 00
    +9
    Listen, well, a man wrote a letter before his death. His right.
    Well now rinse his name in all the newspapers on the Internet ...
    what kind of people!
    1. does it
      does it 13 January 2014 21: 11
      -3
      Quote: Stas57
      Listen, well, a man wrote a letter before his death. His right.
      Well now rinse his name in all the newspapers on the Internet ...
      what kind of people!

      ROC say thank you for wanting to rely on the death of a great man in order to raise their soaked image. Such cases are not put on display.
      1. azkolt
        azkolt 13 January 2014 22: 22
        +3
        Quote: kvirit
        down

        What do you like ass ass about the tarnished image of the Russian Orthodox Church. What is it soaked for and for whom? It may be in your eyes only, but they’re blind, they don’t see thousands of pilgrims both to the Belt of the Virgin and to the Gifts of the Magi. You will not collect one hundredth of your liberal gatherings. So hiss with envy!
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 13 January 2014 18: 00
    +2
    ) from the title of the "yellow" press so razit.trolling in its purest form on topvar)
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 13 January 2014 18: 17
    +7
    Quote: German
    I read a couple of first comments. I realized that if I can't form my own opinion further, I decided: nafig! I was in Armenia (as a special group - from a re-enterprise in 91-92 and I can say that thanks to the "Kalash" I alive ... Mikhail Timofeevich has nothing to repent of - he created weapons to protect the FATHERLAND! Low bow to HIM!

    He did not repent even in this letter and generally just confessed (he was baptized), but it was deep in his soul .. outwardly it didn’t manifest itself .. A person was deep-hearted ..! I consider this letter to him as his testament ..! He loved his country sincerely and with all his soul His simple and reliable weapon saved tens of thousands of lives of our soldiers ..! Everlasting memory..! (This letter is real ..) Feeling death is approaching this letter he wrote to us so that we would stop all this bacchanalia of blood ... Here and think the men ..
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 January 2014 19: 10
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      He did not repent even in this letter and generally just confessed (he was baptized), but it was deep in his soul .. outwardly it didn’t manifest itself .. A person was deep-hearted ..! I think this letter of his was as his testament ..
      Confessed to sins. That is, with your comment you equate him with sinners? But what about the fact that the face of the Russian Orthodox Church himself says that he is not sinful?
      - This letter was very relevant during attacks on the Church. The patriarch thanked the legendary designer for his attention and position and replied that Mikhail Timofeevich was an example of patriotism and the right attitude to the country, - said Volkov.

      He added that regarding the responsibility of the machine gun designer for the deaths of the Church, the Church has a very definite position: when weapons serve to protect the Fatherland, the Church supports both its creators and the military who use it.

      “He invented this automat to protect his country, and not to be used by the terrorists of Saudi Arabia,” Volkov explained.
      So it’s interesting. Why did not Kirya himself say this, but a worldly spokesperson?
  • kind
    kind 13 January 2014 18: 28
    +9
    Leave alone the name of a good person. Even if he wrote repentance, it is not for the public. I think this is a provocation.
    1. Anper
      Anper 13 January 2014 21: 53
      0
      But repentance, like confession, is a sacrament. In life, I can’t believe that the Church, and even more so Cyril, would be able to do this - to break the secret (according to church laws). What then should the rest of the believers do, WHO TO BELIEVE? And repentance, as far as I know, is an oral thing, with special training - fasting, etc. And repentance is already a field of literature, not a church.
  • NKVD
    NKVD 13 January 2014 18: 38
    +1
    An article, a duck. Kalashnikov did not die a penitent. Many reports with his participation where he says that he is not killing a weapon but a man. Moreover, he would not repent to the current patriarch. He probably already knew who was hiding under the robe of the patriarch. Former KGB informer
  • Charon
    Charon 13 January 2014 18: 49
    +1
    Fake
    I’m not sure that he signed it, and if he did, he knew what he was signing.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 January 2014 18: 49
    +3
    And then there was a war with the Japanese
    They are us shells, and we are their icons.

    99% The letter is a duck, and the Russian Orthodox Church has long ceased to be an authority.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 13 January 2014 18: 59
    +4
    Oh, I would have minded you gorlopanov .. (forgive me) .. But Timofeevich would obviously be against .. Write what you want ... God is your judge ..!
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 13 January 2014 19: 23
    +6
    Quote: Mechanic
    Confessed to sins. That is, with your comment you equate him with sinners? But what about the fact that the face of the Russian Orthodox Church himself says about him that he is not sinful?

    Every person is a sinner .. They just got him with such questions, "You created a weapon that killed millions in the world .." And you don't need to run into the Russian Orthodox Church, all of this is familiar ... ..? There is nothing at the expense of Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church ... that you start screeching again ... You would be ashamed ...
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 January 2014 19: 38
      -1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      There is nothing at the expense of Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church.
      What does Putin have to do with it? And who posted the answer? Not the ROC? Well, probably not. And Cyril to the Russian Orthodox Church has no relation. laughing Well, please publish the definition of Confession. Or didn’t you write about confession? By the way, what about the mystery of confession? or that show off is more expensive than honor?
  • bunta
    bunta 13 January 2014 19: 23
    +2
    This is not a penitential letter! He has nothing to repent of. And he does not repent, but confesses in this letter! These are different things!

    The author of the article needed not to tear the text into quotes and put his stupid comments, but simply make a normal reprint of the text and be silent.
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    1. bunta
      bunta 13 January 2014 22: 29
      -1
      take it away and do not disgrace.
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  • Pirr
    Pirr 13 January 2014 19: 59
    0
    However, in an interview with an American newspaper, Kalashnikov, in response to whether he feels responsible for killing people from his machine gun, answered that he thought a lot about this, and expressed a quite reasonable idea that, nevertheless, the main responsibility the creator of the weapon, and the one who launches it. He also said that he was rather an atheist, brought up like that.
    Then I suddenly came to believe so much, and even with such a list of different, to tell the truth, wild titles. For a man who has been such a normal member of the CPSU all his life, this is strange. I know those who do not have all these "holiness" even if they do not crawl out of the church.
    I think so "kind people" pushed this ridiculous text to a sick 93-year-old man, and he pushed it without looking.
    He is a cult figure, of all petitions of appeals, and repentance, probably always was always on the table. They don’t read everything, they trust the helpers ...
    1. Detector
      Detector 13 January 2014 22: 05
      +1
      Quote: Pirr
      He also said that he rather atheist, brought up like that.


      You see, even then he "doubted" the truth of atheism. There were questions to which atheism could not provide answers. And this is called the path to God.
      A man with a living soul is always in a creative search, no matter what age and upbringing. But you missed from attention - that for example, he built a church, went to services, there are other facts. Why are you not paying attention to them?

      I, too, was raised in atheism in Soviet times, my father all the more, but we changed and consciously came to faith, no one dragged us there by force. And now what?

      If people hadn’t come to the Church in Soviet times, now She wouldn’t exist.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 13 January 2014 20: 15
    +3
    I read the article and comments. And the festive New Year mood has vanished.
    After all, there are concepts of decency and honor. What, M.T. Kalashnikov wrote an open letter to the newspaper? Is this his letter or not his? "Penitential" or not? To sort out in phrases the reflections of a person standing in the face of Eternity for me is a complete lack of conscience. The young are still forgiven. They do not yet know the value of life and death. But adults then?
    For me, M.T. Kalashnikov is a man and a patriot of his homeland. It will remain so. Regardless of the letter.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 13 January 2014 21: 36
    +4
    Quote: Mechanic
    Quote: MIKHAN
    There is nothing at the expense of Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church.
    What does Putin have to do with it? And who posted the answer? Not the ROC? Well, probably not. And Cyril to the Russian Orthodox Church has no relation. laughing Well, please publish the definition of Confession. Or didn’t you write about confession? By the way, what about the mystery of confession? or that show off is more expensive than honor?

    I do not want to argue with you .. I think now there is a "dance on the coffin" .. Do you dislike ..? It's just that even if it's like you say PR ROC .. I think it's not appropriate to arrange screeches .. Please calm down .... Kalashnikov is not present and he cannot refute (and most importantly, he would not do it ..) That's all ..!
  • APASUS
    APASUS 13 January 2014 21: 49
    +1
    Somehow it’s not entirely clear here, who could afford to print a penitential letter? A person sums up his life, shares sorrows and tormented questions - this is not for the press.
    Already nothing sacred left?
    What about the secrets of confession?
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 13 January 2014 22: 02
    +2
    Quote: APASUS
    Somehow it’s not entirely clear here, who could afford to print a penitential letter? A person sums up his life, shares sorrows and tormented questions - this is not for the press.
    Already nothing sacred left?
    What about the secrets of confession?

    Maybe ..but his style .. And this letter is open in essence ... So we think ..!
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 13 January 2014 22: 40
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And this letter is essentially open ... So we think ...!

      It can’t be discovered either in essence or in truth. What should we think about? Do you know how it is written in the scripture? ........... And according to our sins ...... everyone has their own repentance, and this is Kalashnikov personally and we do not need to get into him!
      And it’s not worth typing
  • alone
    alone 13 January 2014 22: 03
    +4
    Only the Almighty decides the guilt of every person. Kalashnikov invented the machine gun. The great designer made weapons. But he didn’t direct people to kill each other with weapons. And so the letter once again proves the greatness of this MAN.
  • little man
    little man 13 January 2014 22: 23
    +1
    REPENTANCE - in Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - one of the key religious concepts, the correction of behavior as a necessary condition for receiving God's forgiveness; same as remorse.
    IMHO, the same confession. What, in fact, should every Orthodox do regularly, what is the debate about?
    But it’s a sin or something, well, it’s not for us to decide!