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New industrialization of Kyrgyzstan - air lock or real perspective

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New industrialization of Kyrgyzstan - air lock or real perspective

Kyrgyzstan's accession to the Customs Union is delayed. The approval of the roadmap, originally scheduled for Summer-2013, was once again postponed - to May 2014. Opponents and even cautious supporters talk about the upcoming step in the pledge of choice, bargaining. However, the choice is somewhat not about what it is customary to talk about - not between the introduction and the non-introduction. It's about choosing between the awareness of the need for a new industrialization of the republic and the illusions of the possibility of maintaining political stability, reproducing the current model of the state.


Service economy as an air lock

The economy of Kyrgyzstan today is considered “service”. This elegant term was invented by the Minister of Economy and Antimonopoly Policy Temir Sariev. Reporting to Kyrgyz parliamentarians about a year ago, he outlined the main structural component of the national economy: “25% of the republic’s economy is based on agriculture, 43% falls on trade relations and services, 5 – 7% is related to the development of the financial sector country. The state economy has become a service one, and this is what distinguishes us from other countries of the world. ” More 20 – 5% in our way, in an oriental way - back and forth.

You can differ favorably. Or vice versa. What does Kyrgyzstan live today? The alignment is simple. In addition to income from labor migrants (almost a million Kyrgyz people annually transfer and bring more than 3,5 billion dollars to the republic), there are trade flows from China to the CIS (the notorious re-export) and maintenance of Bishkek residents in transport, catering, hairdressing, exchange offices, media and shops .

About energy needs a special conversation. Tourism is still, again. Under President Akaev, tourism was the foremost red banner for the ideologues of independence. But did not grow together. The infrastructure itself did not arise (apparently, the law of non-decreasing entropy prevented), and no one invested investments without guarantees. From the “other” - electric power industry (all projects in which are tied to Russia), coal mining for domestic use, gold mining at Kumtor and sewing workers. Only lazy does not know about Kumtor and the ongoing fight for the good of others for more than a year. The growth of the effectiveness of this enterprise is clearly not expected. Weather masters won't do it.

In the early nineties, total privatization was held in industry in Kyrgyzstan.


The result is known. Factories stopped production, some were redeployed (they set up production of kettles and basins, they also issued salaries, these markers of the nineties were common to the entire post-Soviet space), some went bankrupt. Industrial output declined in 1995 year, it decreased by two thirds compared with 1990-m. Then this figure fluctuated slightly. Total, in the national economy of Kyrgyzstan, the share of industry now, by the beginning of 2014, does not reach 20%. This is the true meaning of the term “service economy.”

However, while industrial production fell in the 1990-s, now the prospect of reducing re-export is looming ahead. The question of the end of the re-export era in Kyrgyzstan is put in direct connection with the entry into the Customs Union. They say that as a result, the grandiose market “Dordoy” and its southern “brother”, “Kara-Suu” will die - and a social explosion is ensured. But the Eurasian integration process will necessarily continue - with or without Kyrgyzstan. So, Dordoi, in any case, is waiting for decline. For the economy to have a foundation, it must produce something other than impressions.

Nostalgia as a way to feel the difference

Here you need an excursion to history. In 1913, the share of industrial production in Kyrgyzstan was 3%. Before 1917, the industry based on handicraft production was mainly engaged in the processing of agricultural raw materials (86,5%). 1 candy factory, 2 brewery and 2 tanneries, a workshop for the production of fruit and berry juices, 11 mills and oil mills worked.

In the Soviet period, when Kyrgyzstan was part of the Central Asian economic region, the leading industries were mining, engineering, light industry and food industry. On the system of hydropower facilities built at this time, the economy still works at the very least. Coal, oil and gas were mined in the south-west of the republic. In Kyrgyzstan, parts, metal-cutting machines and automatic lines, electrical products, devices and consumer goods were manufactured as part of an all-Union industrial chain. And even torpedoes for the Navy. Dozens of powerful factories gave hundreds of thousands of jobs. Nonferrous metallurgy (mining and enrichment of mercury, antimony, lead-zinc ores, production of mercury, antimony) was unusually developed. Light industry was represented by cotton-cleaning, textile (there was no need to import fabrics and knitwear from China), as well as leather-shoe, garment and carpet weaving factories. The developed network of agricultural enterprises and factories producing construction materials complemented the picture. As a result, the share of industry in the economy of the Kirghiz SSR increased from 3 to 50%. It was.

As it became - we also see. The scale of the destruction of the economy is impressive. Moreover, the data were not obtained under bullets or in secret archives - only open sources and official data of the Ministry of Economy and Antimonopoly Policy. Figures, public speeches of the minister, a simple comparison of the facts paint an unequivocal picture. And on this basis, let us ask ourselves a rhetorical question: does Kyrgyzstan need a new industrialization?

New industrialization as a real perspective

Is it possible to simply restore the former economic ties? Unfortunately no. I will return to the law of non-decreasing entropy. All processes, as is known, can be divided into reversible and irreversible. So, while the democratic ships plowed the ocean space of the dream of independence, scientific and technical progress has gone far ahead. Technological processes that provided industrial communications are hopelessly outdated. In addition, the former partners in the USSR developed these 20 years unevenly and overgrown with new connections. Zero the results of an economic disaster is impossible. Therefore, the process of destruction of the joint economy is irreversible. Kyrgyzstan should build a new one. Will the republic master this task in the context of globalization of world economic processes independently? Of course not.

Then with whom? Let us imagine that China, which has seen all these years in Kyrgyzstan as a raw "shed" and wholesale distributor of its goods in the markets of its neighbors, suddenly rushes to build factories and plants here. Recently, Vice President of the Chinese Institute of International Affairs Ruan Zuen spoke about the role of Kyrgyzstan in the economic programs of the Silk Road project as an alternative to the Customs Union for the Kyrgyz Republic. Who does not know the way shopping. And the project too. There are no other plans, and they have nowhere to appear. Railway, trade enterprises - about the same. Turkey exports clothes and ideology to Kyrgyzstan. Loans more. It is also strange to wait from the shores of industrial projects. About the European Union and the US shut up, perhaps. There are only former partners in the Soviet Union.

The real prospect of going along the difficult path of new industrialization, bypassing the catastrophic scenario, is Eurasian economic integration.
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  1. Arh
    Arh 14 January 2014 16: 17
    +1
    To unite all the CIS countries and close to Russia and act as one front! ! ! )))
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 16: 56
      +1
      Yes, then it would be possible to troll China and Afghanistan to wool.
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 19: 24
        +3
        Quote: Arh
        To unite all the CIS countries and close to Russia and act as one front


        If we unite, then only economically, within the framework of the Customs Union. And to take them in - it's like a suitcase with a bunch of dirty laundry m without a handle
    2. alone
      alone 14 January 2014 21: 15
      0
      Quote: Arh
      To unite all the CIS countries and close to Russia and act as one front


      And are you going to ask the opinion of the CIS countries about this or what?
  2. mountain
    mountain 14 January 2014 16: 19
    +2
    Everything is back to square one.
  3. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 16: 26
    +12
    I was born in Kyrgyzstan. And I’ll tell you so. The country is a diamond. But a diamond needs a cut. Unfortunately, the Kyrgyz are such a people ... Not that lazy or stupid, not exactly the opposite. But they are very undisciplined and very suggestible. And maybe someone will argue, but I will say the following: if Kyrgyzstan becomes part of Russia, then Russia will receive not only Issyk-Kul, but also piles of gold, diamonds, metals, beautiful vineyards, which once even make Krasnodar, beautiful, still since then a whole Soviet infrastructure. In addition, those who are older can remember that on the same Issyk-Kul there was a testing ground for naval and submarine weapons. Well, about the Manas airport, I’m generally silent, even in modern times, built under the pea king, this airport can take anything up to some sort of Mriya and Buran, it’s not without reason that the Americans planted and serviced B-52 on it without any problems
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    2. Zymran
      Zymran 14 January 2014 16: 30
      +4
      And what will the Kyrgyz get?

      According to sabzh: the Kyrgyz are now quite developed light industry. At least their consumer goods occupies a certain niche in Kazakhstan among people with low incomes.
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 16: 42
        +1
        Investments, subsidies. By the way, the development of agriculture will really happen just after the infusion into Russia. The country will become a federal subject of Russia.
        Well, okay, I dreamed something. And yes, the light industry is strong, and their brandy is credible, but it is not enough, it is necessary to develop agriculture in Kyrgyzstan! wink
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 14 January 2014 16: 46
          +2
          Quote: Alex_Popovson
          Well, okay, I dreamed something. And yes, the light industry is strong, and their brandy is credible, but it is not enough, it is necessary to develop agriculture in Kyrgyzstan! wink


          I never heard of Kyrgyz cognac, usually Russians praise our brand, although it spoils slowly.

          Quote: Alex_Popovson
          The country will become a federal subject of Russia.


          No, we are talking about integration into the Eurasian Union.
          1. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 17: 13
            +3
            I never heard about Kyrgyz cognac, usually Russians praise our, although it spoils slowly

            Here literally for the new year they drank this Kyrgyz cognac. Bottling Osh. I didn’t keep the bottle, I would gladly send proof. Very tasty! But I didn’t even know about Kazakh. But back to the topic.
            No, it’s about integration into the Eurasian Union

            Well, to be honest, it seems to me (I don’t throw feces) that the Eurasian Union is the same stillborn geopolitical entity, like the CIS. Who is the CIS based on? Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus. The rest were simply "territories" that had no particular alternatives.
            That is why I "dreamed" about the annexation of Kyrgyzstan to Russia. Not violent, of course.
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 14 January 2014 21: 25
            +4
            Zymran, good evening! And I really want to share the news: Kaz. mathematician (my supervisor considers him number 1 in the Republic of Kazakhstan) Mukhtarbai Otelbaev solved one of the "millennium problems" the Navier-Stokes equation (remember Russian mat. Perelman, who also solved one of these problems, who refused a million). This system of partial differential equations describes the motion of a viscous fluid. Ur-nie N.-S. is one of the most important problems of hydrodynamics and is used in mat. modeling many technical problems. As a rule, all advanced scientific achievements are first applied to military developments. I personally know this person. He brought up about 100 candidates of sciences and 9 doctors of sciences, over 200 scientific publications and articles. And for my fellow countrymen, I want to note that he is a graduate of the Moscow State University and was a student of a well-known grew up. mathematician Boris Levitan.
            Smagulov - Novosibirsk, student of Yanenko and Kuznetsov, about 50 students
            Umirbaev - Novosibirsk, known for having solved the "Nagata hypothesis" during the life of Masayoshi Nagata; student of Shestakov
            Kasymov - Moscow, a student of Lyusternik, about 80 students (by the way, a lot of Kirghiz defended with him; friend of the academician, Kyrgyz Imanaliev)
            I can list further Bliev, Zhautykov, Kalmenov, Zhensykbaev, Dzholdasbekov, Amandosov, etc. all were trained in Russia. If you graduated from NovSU or MSU or TomskGu with honors, then any university of the Republic of Kazakhstan with "legs tears away" you. Actually, it must be said that after Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan in the field of mathematics (as a science) occupied the 2nd place in Asia at the beginning of the century.
            Zymran, I do not want to convince you about the 50-year reserve. But these are the mat. achievements begin to take root in life in 50 years. And what the mathematicians of the USSR did will help future generations to understand the "nature of new products-goods", on the basis of which they are made. This is the meaning I put in the words about the 50-year reserve. hi
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 14 January 2014 21: 49
              +3
              Yes, I heard about this news. I would be very happy if the solution is correct, but so far, as far as I understand, nothing can be said with confidence. In this regard, I wonder if you read his work and get your opinion on the decision proposed by Otelbaev.

              Quote: Kasym
              Zymran, I do not want to convince you about the 50-year reserve. But these are the mate. achievements begin to take root in life in 50 years. And what the mathematicians of the USSR did will help future generations to understand the "nature of new products-goods", on the basis of which they are made. This is the meaning I put in the words about the 50-year reserve. hi


              I would be very happy if you are right. Maybe I’ll also live 50 years. And if we develop the Anglo-Saxon model of teaching medicine, cooperate with leading medical universities in the world, then you will live. laughing
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 14 January 2014 23: 05
                +1
                You can rest assured of the decision. Ours are not used to making loud statements without a foundation. This area is the least corrupt. Somehow 20 years ago, even more will be, I went to the department (I do not remember exactly which one, but this is on the 2nd floor of the fur-mat of the old building), and there Otelbaev and Smagulov discussed this mat. task. Such decisions do not come immediately, over the course of many years. "Debates" on such things are conducted not only in a narrow circle, as a rule, the entire scientific community (not only the former USSR) will learn about it after a while. And they begin to say that such and such is engaged in this task. Therefore, such statements from such people cannot be fake. At least such statements are not made without checking opponents. I'm sure the leading spec. we have already done "checks" for this task.
                But essentially everything is there. The theorem of existence and uniqueness. A special case is considered. As a rule, for the dock, the constants are taken as a unit to avoid the cumbersome formulas in the writing. Believe him not in vain, although formally, they are called mathematician No. 1 of Kazakhstan. Our AKSAKAL is known throughout the world, its authority leaves no doubt among specialists.
                Well, if you talk about medicine like that, then believe me, I am only for it. Especially when you look at manufacturers of medical equipment and medicines. There it is better and should be adopted. But the universal education program was better in the USSR. Therefore, I think it is not necessary to copy the West here. drinks
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    3. Scoun
      Scoun 14 January 2014 17: 10
      +5
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      Not that lazy or stupid, not exactly the opposite. But they are very undisciplined and very suggestible.

      + + +
      I remember Cameron's movie "Avatar"
      - "You have a strong heart and you are very brave ... but you are stupid!"
      Direct as children ... which is very bad if they fall under the influence of an eloquent balabol ...
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 January 2014 17: 10
      +3
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      built at the time of the pea king, this airport can take anything you like up to some Mriy and Buran,


      "Mriya" she is nothing. Mriya is the largest transport plane in the world. And Manas was not built under the king of the peas, but by Russian engineers under Leonid Ilyich in 1974. And since it originally belonged to the "4E" class (according to the ICAO classification), it can accept all types of aircraft.
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 17: 18
        +1
        Well, thanks, enlightened me about the AN-225. And clarification about Manas is superfluous, except that it is located in the foothills (it’s not for me to explain that it’s not the most favorable conditions for piloting), but this is exactly what I said wink
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 14 January 2014 18: 15
          +2
          Quote: Alex_Popovson
          Well, thanks, enlightened me about the AN-225.


          Yes please. Knowledge is power.
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    6. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 17: 21
      +1
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      then on the same Issyk-Kul there was a testing ground for naval and submarine weapons

      Still functioning. Do not believe it, but there it’s cheaper to test torpedoes than in Russia.
      Although they still need to be brought there.
      1. Evil rabbit
        Evil rabbit 14 January 2014 17: 43
        +3
        Torpedoes are not carried there, they are produced there (JSC "Dastan")
        1. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 19: 58
          0
          Quote: Evil Bunny
          Torpedoes are not carried there, they are produced there (JSC "Dastan")


          THX. I did not know about production.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 14 January 2014 20: 33
            +1
            And in Alma-Ata with Makhachkala. Torpedoes were such a secret production that the USSR hid it so that the Yankees searched for a long time. They say that the tests were carried out taking into account the schedule of the passage of satellites. hi
            Torpedo production in Kazakhstan still exists and is operating at the request of Russia.
      2. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 19: 50
        +1
        Wow! What a news! The evil Rabbit says they are produced there. Very good news, don’t you? Wow. In the 90s, this landfill seemed to be closed, but no, look, it works again.
  4. leks
    leks 14 January 2014 16: 43
    +1
    Integration in the post-Soviet space is gaining momentum, the core attracts fragments of the empire, so everything is still ahead !!!!!!!!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 14 January 2014 17: 01
      0
      Quote: leks
      Integration in the post-Soviet space is gaining momentum, the core attracts fragments of the empire, so everything is still ahead !!!!!!!!


      Only the "fragments" are attracted slowly, bargain and are capricious, while glancing and flirting with other "cores".
      1. leks
        leks 14 January 2014 17: 15
        0
        Well, I can answer you, probably they already understood a lot from the example of Moldova, what awaits them, and there will be many more such examples, they do not want to be equals in the Customs Union, this is their business. Other uncles from the West will come integrate according to the example of Moldova with loss sovereignty.
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 17: 27
          +3
          No one understood anything. It is better to be an omnipotent ruler in a territory per kilometer per kilometer than to be at least a bit subordinate to these Russians or Chinese. Here to eat and, sorry, shit, at their expense please. Examples? Turkmenbashi and Berdimuhamedov, Rakhmon, Karimov. After the revolutions, the Kyrgyz brains took their place. But alas, what is lost in twenty years cannot be restored in five
  5. MGV
    MGV 14 January 2014 16: 43
    -1
    Quote: Zymran
    And what will the Kyrgyz get?

    Again? They already got everything in due time.

    No offense to the Kyrgyz. Not a single Kyrgyz will work at the factory. Neither a worker nor an engineer.
    No industrialization will ever be there.

    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    Unfortunately, the Kyrgyz are such a people ...

    Not Kyrgyz, but Kyrgyz. Not Kyrgyzstan, but Kyrgyzstan.
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    2. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 14 January 2014 16: 53
      +2
      Quote: MGV
      No offense to the Kyrgyz. Not a single Kyrgyz will work at the factory. Neither a worker nor an engineer. No industrialization will ever be there.

      CX let them do it, they always do it, tourism, construction.
    3. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 17: 50
      +2
      Not Kyrgyz, but Kyrgyz. Not Kyrgyzstan, but Kyrgyzstan.

      And yet, let's respect the other countries and their nationalities? Moreover, in official documents in Russia, Kyrgyzstan passes exactly like Kyrgyzstan.
      By the way, Tatarstan is the official name of the republic of Tatarstan in the federal structure of the Russian Federation.
  6. Dardanec
    Dardanec 14 January 2014 16: 45
    +5
    I hope that they will still drag us into the Customs, and then into the Eurasian Union. It's just that for me personally, this is the only real prospect in order to stay here to live, to live where I was born and raised. Otherwise, if not involved, then this "country" is waiting for a return to the "feudal system" of the 19th century, and then slow or not very Afghanization, and for those who say that it is not worth spending the financial resources of the CU countries to prevent such a development of events, I want to say : "What do you think, will the destabilization of the Central Asian republics backfire on the lives of Russians and Kazakhstanis?" In my opinion, sensible people understand that it will come back to haunt and very seriously, and therefore the entry process will only be accelerated ...
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 14 January 2014 16: 56
      +5
      Quote: DARDANEC
      "What do you think, will the destabilization of the Central Asian republics backfire on the lives of Russians and Kazakhstanis?" In my opinion, sensible people understand that it will come back to haunt and very seriously, and therefore the entry process will only be accelerated ...

      Not just backfire, but will require the presence of our children with weapons, and will lead to blood
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    3. Kasym
      Kasym 14 January 2014 17: 03
      +7
      I am only FOR joining the CU of the Kyrgyz Republic, but I have to "digest" the level of Russian prices. Even in Kazakhstan, a decline in living standards is noticeable. So first you have to clean up the house yourself. Otherwise, the vehicle will stand sideways. hi
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 14 January 2014 22: 10
        0
        I propose to swap places - let the Kyrgyz people enter the TS, and we will leave. ;)
  7. predator.3
    predator.3 14 January 2014 16: 47
    +3
    In the Soviet period, when Kyrgyzstan was part of the Central Asian economic region, the leading sectors were mining, engineering, light and food industries. The economy, at the very least, built up at that time a system of hydropower facilities, still works. Coal, oil and gas were mined in the south-west of the republic. In Kyrgyzstan, as part of the all-Union production chain, parts, metal-cutting machines and automatic lines, electrical products, appliances and consumer goods were produced. And even torpedoes for the Navy. Dozens of powerful factories gave hundreds of thousands of jobs. Non-ferrous metallurgy was unusually developed (mining and enrichment of mercury, antimony, lead-zinc ores, production of mercury, antimony). Light industry was represented by cotton ginning, textile (there was no need to import fabrics and knitwear from China), as well as leather and shoe, sewing and carpet weaving factories. A well-developed network of agricultural processing enterprises and factories producing building materials complemented the picture. As a result, the share of industry in the economy of the Kyrgyz SSR increased from 3 to 50%. It was. yes


    Yes it was all over UNION, in all the republics and no one rode around Russia in search of work, well, maybe except for the Komsomol members with permits, and even then they went to explore Siberia!
  8. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 14 January 2014 16: 51
    0
    Kyrgyzstan as a state did not take place like Tajikistan, it is necessary to tie them to something and restore order, otherwise these territories will become a Islamist Islamism terrorism factory and will require a full military police cleansing with losses by the cries of the humanities about genocide and other heresy, they want to do not want to take to launder and teach work like with street kids before.
    The main thing is that Uzbekistan does not collapse resources on it, even Russia may not have enough.
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  10. Stinger
    Stinger 14 January 2014 16: 56
    +1
    Had to be in Kyrgyzstan. It was a beautiful republic. One Isyak-Kul is worth. I agree with the author in assessments and conclusions. And further. Loved the phrase:
    while democratic ships plowed the space of the ocean of dreams of independence, scientific and technological progress went far ahead.

    Bravo, Svetlana! The ignorant East will not write that way. For the completeness of the eastern ornament of the phrase, it would be nice to add "Kyrgyzstan tore the hem of honor, went to the crossroads of love and beat the big drum of shame"
  11. Dardanec
    Dardanec 14 January 2014 16: 58
    +2
    It is clear to everyone that there will be many difficulties, but the most important thing is that there is an understanding that this is the only right decision, there is no other way. Too many residents of our republic support this development of events, I will not say that all or most, but many. Those associated with China or the resale of goods to the CU countries will not support, which is basically the same thing. And all the rest: production workers, agricultural workers, the tourism business, migrant workers, military, etc. support unambiguously. And the hucksters will have to reorient, what can you do, this is life, it’s a pity for simple traders in Dordoi and other markets, drivers, etc., in the absence of normal work, for most of them working in the market is the only chance to get income close to worthy. And hucksters, i.e. those who made a fortune on re-export, transportation of goods for re-export, etc., not to mention the owners of the market, will not be lost, without any 200 million US dollars per year ...
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 14 January 2014 18: 41
      +3
      Dardanes, I would advise "hucksters" in sewing shops to "change their shoes" - Uzbeks save on materials. I recently bought warm underwear, the material is good (100% cotton). But the cut and the size, there, as in the USSR, were stolen on the size of the dealers. On the label, it seems like one size, in fact, another. So you can bypass the Uzbeks on quality and honesty. wink ... And what, from Kyrgyzstan, the sewing workshop could have turned out not bad. For the first time, what you need. And for large investments, the Kyrgyz Republic needs stability and transparency of the authorities. And then the natural resources of Kyrgyzstan will become the key to prosperity, there is no doubt about that. hi
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  13. Dardanec
    Dardanec 14 January 2014 17: 15
    +7
    Quote: MGV
    No offense to the Kyrgyz. Not a single Kyrgyz will work at the factory. Neither a worker nor an engineer.
    No industrialization will ever be there.

    You are wrong, although I am not Kyrgyz, but Russian, and I work in Kyrgyzstan as an engineer in a factory, but I have a lot of Kyrgyz colleagues and engineers and workers, they know how to work and plow like some Russians did not dream of. Therefore, do not write at all unless you have a clue about what to write about.
    There are of course their own mentality, but in general, everything is as I described in the plan, they know whether or not they can work.hi
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 14 January 2014 18: 55
      +4
      Dardanes, advice - do not take acutely everything that is written here. Many simply were not here and judge us by those who came to them to earn money. And these are very often Aul guys without any qualifications and knowledge of the Russian language. Specialists like you can get a job here too.
      From modern experience it is known that small-sized countries are faster on their feet and developing. In large countries, communications and infrastructure take a lot of time and energy, but nowhere to go.
      We, in Kazakhstan, are especially keen on the whole leapfrog in Kyrgyzstan, but we really believe in stabilizing the Kyrgyz Republic. And Issyk-Kul for us is more than just a lake. fellow hi
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 20: 33
        +1
        Father served in the Panfilov division, one of whose regiments was stationed in Rybachye (now Balykchi). I lived there exactly 8 years since the 1st grade.
        The nature is magnificent, the lake .... do not even pick up epithets, except for the moments when Ulan blows)))
        People are the same as ours in the outback. There are clever women, there are fools, and there are scumbags too.
        Clan relations are very strong. If you want to work properly, put someone of the older clan as a deputy. And so, in principle, with the vehicle, it can and does. They are our resources, we are their stability and earnings. Yes, and even powerful corruption, our rest.
  14. Dardanec
    Dardanec 14 January 2014 17: 26
    +4
    Quote: MGV
    No industrialization will ever be there.

    It will be loved, it was and will be, and not only because the Kyrgyz people know how to work, but also because there are also Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, Uzbeks, Azerbaijanis, Kazakhs, even Koreans and Dungans (you know who the Dungans are ?) etc., can be continued for a long time. And here, from Soviet times, a considerable number of prom. enterprises, including the military-industrial complex, some of which work, some are with canned equipment. Most certainly collapsed in the 90s, but can anyone say that in Russia or other CIS countries in the 90s it was different?
    And Russia is already investing in the construction of the largest hydroelectric power stations in Kyrgyzstan, while some gentlemen say that there will never be industrialization ...
  15. Aydar
    Aydar 14 January 2014 17: 27
    +1
    the Kirghiz had to write off the debts that it was due to Moscow ($ 500) and to get more weapons for a billion. the question is how to do this? the Kyrgyz promised that such a date would enter the customs union, Moscow wrote off debts and supply weapons (almost free of charge), now the Kyrgyz say that the people are against joining, they name all sorts of reasons and they are partly right. but everyone forgot that the Kirghiz entered the WTO before all of us, and if they enter the customs union they need to pay a penalty of one billion euros! the country lives off of the resale of consumer goods (let's say) to the countries of the former Soviet Union, and if we say they enter the customs union, then import duties must increase, which makes no sense then to other citizens of neighboring states to go for cheap goods. so gentlemen! otherwise the Kirghiz have long entered the customs union.
  16. Dardanec
    Dardanec 14 January 2014 17: 28
    +1
    Quote: MGV
    Not Kyrgyzstan, but Kyrgyzstan.

    You're not right. It is not up to you to decide, and to teach someone, is the official name of the state, recognized by most countries of the world.
  17. Dardanec
    Dardanec 14 January 2014 17: 32
    +2
    Quote: Zymran
    I never heard of Kyrgyz cognac, usually Russians praise our brand, although it spoils slowly.

    And in vain, I strongly advise especially "Bishkek" and "Kyrgyzstan", there are also wonderful balms. I don't advertise, just humanly advise, a good thing. I don't know much about Kazakhstani cognac, I just tried it once, my friends brought it from Astana, 10 years of aging, I will say this, it cannot be compared with ours, but again it tastes and color ...
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 15 January 2014 01: 56
      +2
      Your sweeter taste, we have more tart. Kyrgyz cognac is good, it has been appreciated since the days of the USSR, I confirm. We have Zhenis if you try something. hi
  18. Aydar
    Aydar 14 January 2014 17: 38
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    another question still will be? won't Russia and Kazakhstan get a headache from joining the customs union? what does the country produce except deliveries of cheap labor and consumer goods, will our countries not get an endless stream of migrant workers and crime?
  19. wild cat
    wild cat 14 January 2014 17: 41
    -1
    I was born in Kyrgyzstan and lived there for a long time. But what constitutes a republic now is of course quiet horror. Prosrali, sorry, that's all. Ruined and there is nothing new. But there were really many factories. One industrial zone in Bishkek, which means. If my memory serves me well, tape recorders and video electronics were released there. Lenin Plant, Frunze Plant. My father worked at a computer factory, now there are warehouses (flea market). It's a shame. About the cognac. Champagne winery really made great drinks. I liked Cognac Manas (KVVK) just the charm of everything grew dim next to him, and Arashan balm is generally a miracle. But I’m afraid they won’t be able to bring it all up again. There are a lot of thieves. and the leadership, alas, is not very
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 14 January 2014 18: 32
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      The champagne was taken apart for sale long ago. Only the outer wall remained unchanged. There can be no talk of any revival of factories and factories. There is simply no one to work for them. What may be of real interest is hydropower + soft water control. The rivers flowing from Kyrgyzstan are of great importance for three of the neighboring states. The extraction of non-ferrous metals, metalloids and "rare earths" was and still is of great local importance, now, apart from gold, nothing else is mined in significant volumes.
      More tin reserves are enormous. The development of agriculture has not stopped anyone yet, but although the territory is not the smallest - a little more than Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan combined, but suitable plowing places are densely populated. Of the climate zones, there is everything except the tropics, subtropics and sand deserts .
      The road network is quite developed, their quality ... approximately like everywhere else in the CIS, there are good ones. There is a railway to Issyk-Kul, before the war it was only to Kant station. The population is not evenly distributed, due to the harsh climate of most of the territory.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 14 January 2014 20: 42
        +2
        The main wealth of Kyrgyzstan is uranium, in huge quantities. You think China and the USA are just so interested in this maaalenky country.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 14 January 2014 22: 51
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          It is, of course, a number of deposits that have not been fully developed. Almost the entire Mendelev's table is there, platinoids only "pumped up", the question is the expediency of mining.
  20. Dardanec
    Dardanec 14 January 2014 17: 48
    +1
    Quote: Aydar
    if they enter the customs union they need to pay a penalty of one billion euros!

    Aydar, where did you get such information from? Can you drop a link or refer to a document?
  21. Dardanec
    Dardanec 14 January 2014 17: 54
    +3
    Quote: Aydar
    what does the country produce besides supplying cheap labor and consumer goods

    Cement, glass, electricity, meat, milk, sugar and other agricultural products, continue to be listed, light bulbs, antimony, gold, radiators ... can produce ammunition for AK, torpedoes, etc. Replied?
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 14 January 2014 19: 14
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      The quality of cartridges for the AK plant of Lenin and under the union left much to be desired, about the production of modern torpedoes at Fizpribory (Dastan), do not tell me. Even if you carry out the reconstruction of the plant, then take the trouble to think without offense, who will do them? How stable does Interglas work, or does it sell what was produced several years ago? The Kant cement plant is working, but raw materials are transported from across the river. The current president openly called some of its owners swindlers, but where are the facts that a serious Kazakhstani holding, which was monstrously "thrown on the loot" by the government of the state of Kyrgyzstan, is engaged in fraudulent activities in various spheres of the local economy.
  22. albai
    albai 14 January 2014 23: 14
    +2
    Quote: Humpty
    The quality of cartridges for AK Lenin factory and with the union left much to be desired
    You are probably confusing the concept of defense with some kind of sharashkin office? Requirements for the quality of cartridges have always been tough, and believe me they have remained so. Only production can become less in quantity. And new modifications of the Shkval torpedo family are only in the project of Russian designers. And the old ones still continue to release, and the staff remained. It is not for nothing that Russia has set the terms of control over Dastan as one of the conditions for joining the Customs Union. The territory of the "Shampanvinkombinat" that S. Ibragimov sold at the "Belinka" to the Kazakhs, but kept the cognac on Murmanskaya street for himself. The brand "ShVK" sold "KantVino". And the cognac continues to be produced, the same cognac manufacturer Duishekan Bekeshovna, a graduate of the Samarkand Institute of Winemakers, I don’t remember which one there is, and these cognacs are "Kyrgyzstan", "Manas", "Seytek", "Elchi", etc. regularly receive gold medals at all competitions, every year, the last seems to have been held in Sochi. The raw materials go to the Kant plant mainly of their own, the Kazakh only components and owners. The German in "Interglas" is working on the sly at least all the stoves over fire.
    Quote: DARDANEC
    electricity, meat, milk, sugar and other agricultural products,
    sausages, soon cables, fruits, alcoholic beverages, Ilbirsa jerseys. The worsted cloth mill, the former garment factories "May 1" "40 Years of the Komsomol" are mothballed, just give me raw materials and sales. The same is in Kadamzhay, Khaidarkan. Vekselberg's Karabalta refining and uranium enrichment plant is also working on the sly. The reserves of "rare earth" and molybdenum are sufficient for development for more than 10 years. I am gnawed by heavy doubts Humpty, that you, for something, so disliked Kyrgyzstan, is there any insult? There will be a TS, there will be a new breath for the industry, and the people are hungry for work, and they will work, the main thing is "khanchiks" with interests in the West, to strangle them. They spoil everything.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 15 January 2014 06: 52
      +1
      Albay. At the expense of local production of wines and cognac of decent quality there are no problems, but it is much easier than mastering the full production cycle of samovars.
      The native uncle of the Germans sometimes moves. If it is assumed that for example, stable orders appear for the Tokmak KPF, then the people who worked there 6-7 years ago remembered well that a salary of 2500-3000 soms could not be expected at all.
      Can the products of the remaining partially not stolen be competitive
      factories that, with the help of evening prayers and the personal public refusal of the speaker of parliament to celebrate the New Year, will suddenly work by some miracle?
      I'm trying to say real.
      To develop hydropower, mining. Because it does not allow the government and parliament, regardless of who sits there. They only know, give me! , and we will dictate to you, interfere and make claims, arrange robberies, arsons, actions of sabotage.
      I love my homeland and am very attached to it. It is painful for me to see what gangs of corrupt bayon manapas are doing to it.
      Entering the vehicle could somehow change the situation for the better.
      Sincerely.
      1. albai
        albai 15 January 2014 10: 02
        +1
        I'm joking! There would be ready-made production areas, and the machines can be changed at once, this is my amateurish opinion. And quality can take the market. Well, about the public quirks of all speakers and others like him, you can not worry that they will "leave", it is simply bad that the acceleration of the flywheel of religiosity begins in our society, initially indifferent to Islam. And if the vertical of power with tough law enforcement agencies is strengthened, then there will be no robbery, arson, etc., the people can be put in a stall, there would be an authoritative power and itself serving as an example in all respects. You probably remember that under the Soviet regime, the Kyrgyz were probably the calmest nation, as one regional official from Osh told me "... saying democracy is democracy, we took the people out into the street, and now we do not know how to get them back ... ". The people see
        Quote: Humpty
        gangs of corrupt bay manapas
        and she behaves like them, but if someone like I said above is headed, everything will be ok.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 15 January 2014 10: 36
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          I'm tired, every time I start all over again. And I can’t calmly see if an intelligent colonel looks after the lawn around the hotel, while someone (CT) receives general epaulettes and becomes the Minister of Emergencies when he did not scrape the bum in the hatch from the pipe.
  23. Dardanec
    Dardanec 15 January 2014 09: 28
    +2
    Quote: Humpty
    Entering the vehicle could somehow change the situation for the better.

    Only this is all hope, otherwise not so long is left until the moment when in Kyrgyzstan rice will rise in price by several yuan a year ... belay
  24. Dardanec
    Dardanec 15 January 2014 09: 36
    +1
    Quote: Humpty
    How stable does Interglas work, or does it sell what was produced several years ago? The Kant cement plant is working, but raw materials are transported from across the river.

    The last 1,5 years it works stably. And entry into the vehicle will only increase the capacity utilization.
    And the delivery of raw materials from the river will become easier thanks to joining the CU, and even the Kazakhstan market will be open again for them ... And if it does not become easier, then there is a local alternative to Kazakhstani raw materials.
  25. Dardanec
    Dardanec 15 January 2014 09: 40
    +1
    [quote = Kasym] We have Zhenis if something try [/ quote
    I’ll know, I’ll definitely try, thanks.